• Login
  • Register
The Daily Sceptic
No Result
View All Result
  • Articles
  • About
  • Archive
    • ARCHIVE
    • NEWS ROUND-UPS
  • Podcasts
  • Newsletter
  • Premium
  • Donate
  • Log In
The Daily Sceptic
No Result
View All Result

Latest News

by Toby Young
14 May 2020 6:18 PM

Today’s Guardian leads on the care home scandal, which Keir Starmer succeeded in moving to the top of the news agenda by grilling Boris about it in yesterday’s Prime Minister’s Questions. It didn’t help that Boris fluffed his response. Starmer picked up on the fact that Public Health England (PHE) had advised in March that care home residents were “very unlikely” to become infected by COVID-19. Boris denied PHE had ever said this, only for him to be confronted with irrefutable evidence, at which point he accused Starmer of taking the quote out of context. He is clearly rattled by this attack line because yesterday the Government announced a £600 million cash injection for care homes to help control infection.

How many have died in care homes to date? The latest assessment of fatalities in care settings in England and Wales by academics at the London School of Economics finds that more than half of all “excess deaths” up to 1st May – those above the five-year average for the period from 28th December to 1st May – have happened in care homes. The researchers say that from 13th March to 1st May, care homes accounted for 19,938 excess deaths – a figure corroborated by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). According to the ONS’s data, there have been just under 20,000 excess deaths registered in England and Wales up to 1st May in care homes since the pandemic started. “Of those, 8,312 have had COVID-19 mentioned on the death certificate,” a spokesman for the ONS told the Guardian.

At a briefing hosted by the Science Media Centre two days ago, several eminent professors cast doubt on the claim that all the excess care home deaths are due to COVID-19. Sir David Spiegelhalter, chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, said: “When we look back… this rise in non-Covid extra deaths outside hospitals is something I hope will be given really severe attention.”

So what caused those deaths? In some cases it will be undiagnosed COVID-19, but in others it will be because care home residents with other diseases were either not admitted to hospital or discharged prematurely. David Leon, Professor of Epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine who was also at the Science Media Centre briefing, said: “Some of these deaths may not have occurred if people had got to hospital. How many is unclear. This issue needs urgent attention, and steps taken to ensure that those who would benefit from hospital treatment and care for other conditions can get it.”

Sounds like David Spiegelhalter and David Leon think the lockdown is causing a greater loss of life than it’s preventing. The BMJ has more.

“Oi! You lot, disperse”

It looks like we can add UNICEF to the growing ranks of lockdown sceptics. Dr Stefan Peterson, Chief of Health at UNICEF, has given an interview to the Telegraph in which he says that indiscriminate lockdowns in low- and middle-income countries are an ineffective way to suppress infections and the harm they’re likely to do “far outweighs any threat presented by the coronavirus”. And that claim has been corroborated by a team of researchers from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. According to a preprint in the Lancet, more than one million children under five and 60,000 more mothers could die in the next six months alone as a result of disruptions to health services caused by the pandemic in low- and middle-income countries. Among those things “caused” by the pandemic they include “intentional choices made in responding to the pandemic”, e.g. imprisoning entire populations in their homes. As Dr Peterson puts it: “If you’re asking families to stay at home in one room in a slum, without food or water, that won’t limit virus transmission… We need to lift our eyes and look at the total picture of public health.”

In other news, the Daily Mail reveals the police have no power to enforce the two-metre social distancing rule – just as well, considering how arbitrary it is. In case you need reminding of that, here’s a chart from the excellent presentation by Numis Healthcare that I flagged up yesterday showing the different “safe” distances recommended in different countries:

Another reader has got in touch with more detail on the leaked document from the German Ministry of the Interior that I’ve referred to in the last two updates. The author – “K” – concludes his 80-page analysis by listing the negative consequences of the lockdown:

  • In March and April 2.5 million necessary operations were not carried out.
  • Between 5000 and 125,000 patients have died or will die as a result. Cancer, stroke and heart patients will have suffered. 
  • 3,500 additional deaths of care home residents.
  • Increase in suicides.
  • Psychological effects of the lockdown, especially on elderly persons. Psychoses, Neuroses.
  • Increase in domestic violence.
  • Ill-effects arising from the wearing of masks.
  • Lower life expectancy

There’s good reason to believe all of those things are happening in the UK too. Last night, Channel 4 News broadcast a disturbing report by Jackie Long, the Social Affairs Editor, from inside a women’s refuge about how it’s coping with the surge in demand. According to the news programme: “The first three weeks of lockdown saw the largest number of killings of women over any 21-day period in the last decade.” You can watch the report and read a write-up by Jackie Long here.

My friend Kathrine Jebsen Moore has started a petition on Change.org to reopen all British Schools. You can sign that here. There is also a Twitter account worth following called @Teach4Teaching. It’s been set up by a couple of teachers “who want to get back to teaching and prevent disadvantaged kids from falling further behind”. They’ve started a petition that’s specifically for teachers.

I asked Guy de la Bédoyère, the historian with a working knowledge of statistics who crunched the numbers on health workers for me, to look at whether school staff are dying from COVID-19 in disproportionately large numbers. This is his verdict:

I’ve spent the last couple of hours wading through the data. I’d say that health and education are not that different. It’s hugely muddied by both areas having a large proportion of women which makes comparing them with, say, security guards (the most vulnerable workers) rather difficult. But there are a number of professions where the death rates per 100,000 are far higher than either education or health.

At any rate, it’s striking that the two professions (education and health) that the media have focused on and whipped up fear among, not only belong to a large group of professions which have a similarly low level of risk but also have a huge preponderance of women, a fact we now know dramatically reduces their susceptibility to the disease.

Woes continue to mount for the NHSx contact-tracing app. Wired has got hold of a cache of NHS documents left unsecured on Google Drive. I asked the reader who’s been keeping an eye on this story for us to take a look and this is his verdict:

  • Leaving internal docs on publicly accessible Google Drives shows that although NHSx talks the talk on security, it doesn’t walk the walk.
  • The author of the documents expresses the concern that I raised about self-diagnosis. This is why I would like to hear from testers to see how this is working in practice. The roadmap shows a “lightweight new process for verifying clinical results” but then we are into storage of special-category personal data, i.e. your very private medical information, and that raises the security stakes.
  • They also recognise the risk of mass notifications. Their worst-case example is of an NHS employee seeing hundreds of people, then self-reporting causing messages to go to hundreds of people telling them to self isolate. They think it could lead to public panic. I think it could shut down a hospital. How’s that for unintended consequences? Or would the NHS ignore the advice of its own app?
  • The roadmap shows future versions collecting post code, demographic info (usually meaning age, sex, income, employment status, etc.). This is what we mean by mission creep. It is a problem because the design assumptions in the NCSC security paper are based on not holding this kind of data. For example NCSC dismissed the honeypot problem (reindentification as they call it) because “There is insufficient data here to attract any reidentification risk”. But future versions look very likely to hold such data. So perhaps this roadmap is contingent on the Zulke version replacing what is currently being tested in IoW? If so, what will be rolled out is not what has been tested. This is what happened with “smart” motorways where the scheme worked with densely packed refuges but they rolled out with more distantly spaced refuges and that has led to unexpectedly high death rates.
  • The same goes for the cryptic statement “enable NHS and strategic leaders to add contact events”. This is even worse. It seems to propose mixing in data not provided by the user. Where is it coming from? Has the user given their permission for it to be used in this way? What conclusions are going to be drawn from it? It’s getting very Big Brother.

He concludes that the NHS’s app has all the signs of being driven by a politician who believes technology is the solution and doesn’t want to hear about the niggling issues of privacy or security. And in case you haven’t had enough scepticism about the contact-tracing app, read this withering assessment by Marc de Gentile-Williams.

President Trump invited World War Two veterans to Washington to commemorate the Allied victory in Europe last week – and the enforcers of Covid orthodoxy in the media went bananas. “Ninety-three-year old veterans will be traveling to visit the White House – they should not be traveling!” harrumphed MSNBC anchor Nicolle Wallace. The New York Times couldn’t resist the opportunity to take a swipe at the President, printing a photo of him without a mask on and then scolding him for his recklessness in the caption: “President Trump did not wear a mask Friday during a wreath-laying ceremony that was attended by World War Two veterans, who are in their 90s and highly vulnerable.” Needless to say, the veterans didn’t bother with masks either. Long-standing sceptic Heather Mac Donald has written a funny piece about America’s “mask scolds” for Spectator USA.

While we’re on Trump, I know he gives lockdown sceptics a bad name – and many liberals on both sides of the Atlantic only seem to be in favour of lockdowns because Trump has come out against them. But it’s hard not to like the latest initiative of his Reopen America Task Force – DoctorsForOpeningAmerica.com. Launching the website at the White House, the President said: “So many doctors, nurses, and EMTs have personally told me they’re thrilled to support working Americans in reopening our great country. They know getting our country open and getting it open soon is important. And they badly want America to know they’re ready to weather the toll.”

It’s true that the sceptics v zealots divide skews along right-left lines – and Francis Menton tries to figure out why that is in Manhattan Contrarian. But there are exceptions to the rule on both sides. I’m always heartened to get emails from readers beginning, “I don’t usually agree with anything you write, but…” and today I got sent a wonderful essay by a young firebrand in Ireland explaining why it’s the duty of every upstanding member of the left to oppose the lockdown with every fibre of their being. It begins:

I consider myself to be left-wing on virtually every political topic: I am a socially-liberal social democrat who believes in a strong social safety net, high-quality public healthcare for all, robust environmental protections (including shifting to renewable energy sources immediately and protecting half of the globe for nature), restorative justice, legal abortion and reducing inequality and corporate influence over politics. I despise Donald Trump and believe Brexit was a huge mistake. I am firstly presenting my political biases in order to dispel the caricature that has emerged of lockdown sceptics as being all right-wing, Trumpian Brexiteers. I think this labelling has been very unfortunate and misguided, as I too believe that the lockdown policy in response to Covid-19 has been an utter and complete disaster, and that most of the left have gotten this issue completely wrong. I will argue that the position of the lockdown sceptic really should be a more naturally left-wing cause to adopt, and those on the left should not be distracted by the reflexive partisan politics and virtue signalling that has taken over so much of the debate around lockdowns.

The essay is so good that I’ve created a new page on the right-hand menu called ‘The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdowns’. I urge you to read the whole thing by clicking here.

A reader in Bradford has been in touch to flag up an article in his local paper, the Telegraph and Argus. It’s based on an interview with Professor John Baruch, former head of cybernetics at the University of Bradford, who has set up the Bradford Science Collective in response to the coronavirus pandemic. He is adamant that the Government’s easing of the lockdown this week will send infections “through the roof”. Professor Baruch tells the paper: “Our message to the people of Bradford is what Nicola Sturgeon is saying – stay at home. There’s no science to justify what Boris Johnson is saying, it’s wishful thinking.”

Well, actually, Professor Baruch, there’s plenty of scientific evidence to justify easing the lockdown. Try this: a new antibody survey just published in Spain has found that “key workers” who were allowed to leave their homes during Spain’s recent lockdown were less likely to become infected than those who remained in confinement. (Hat tip to Didier Raoult, the dissident French doctor and hydroxychloroquine champion, who flagged this up on Twitter.) If you think that study’s an outlier, here’s one from China which could only find one outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 infection due to outside transmission.

Perhaps the reason Professor Baruch isn’t aware of the tsunami of scientific evidence that contradicts the dominant narrative is because it’s becoming increasingly difficult to share it with people on social media. I flagged this up yesterday, linking to an excellent article in the FT by Izabella Kaminska who has coined the phrase “censortech” to describe the draconian content-moderation policies of companies like YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. Although there’s no need for Facebook’s AIs to read every post about coronavirus, searching for wrongthink, because group administrators will often do that job themselves. The pandemic has unleashed an army of these petty martinets, scouring everything we write in public forums, ready to leap into action with their red pencils.

A reader got in touch to tell me about an “appalling act of censorship” from the administrator of her local town group page on Facebook. It’s all too typical I’m afraid:

After I had dared to share Dr John Lee’s article in the Spectator about reasons why we should end lockdown, with a brief introduction saying who he was, adding the link to his article and saying that even if you believed in the lockdown process it was worth a read to gain a more balanced perspective and consider the consequences, the administrator publicly posted a comment below it accusing me of spreading “misinformation”. When I explained that it was not misinformation but an opinion of a qualified medical professional, he responded that I did not understand the seriousness of the situation, knew nothing about the disease, did not understand how it spread or how dangerous it was, was guilty of posting “fake news”, and, worse, was inciting the public to break the law and supporting the practice of genocide in the face of this deadly disease! Gasp. I calmly pointed out that I had a degree and also an environmental health qualification and was a former practitioner so out of personal interest had been doing a lot of studying via Science Direct, Elsevier Science and other reputable sources of data, explaining that I disagreed the information was “fake”, or “misinformation”, and adding a list of my sources. I said I simply agreed with many professional experts in their fields, such as Professor Michael Levitt and Johan Giesecke. His response was to publicly inform me (i.e. via the comments) that I was not to post to the group again and repeated his assertion about misinformation and fake news!

In the fullness of time, when it’s the settled consensus that the lockdowns led to a greater loss of life than they prevented, will there be any kind of reckoning for people like this administrator? Given that it’s them, and not us, who are guilty of disseminating misinformation and fake news, we could ask them to ban themselves from social media platforms lest their craven parroting of state propaganda causes any more unnecessary deaths in future.

The moderator of my neighbourhood Facebook group spotted in an unmarked van outside my house yesterday

Good rant in a Reddit thread by a “key worker”. Doesn’t sound like there’s much scope for social distancing if you’re a shelf-stacker at Tesco’s:

I am what you would call an “essential worker”. I am a student who currently works at a supermarket around 4 or five days a week. My brother who I currently live with is also in this category and he works at a different supermarket in the same town. Aside from the odd obedient middle class mum, social distancing is virtually non-existant. I constantly have people coming up close to me asking where to find flour and the isles are too narrow to conceivably practice it anyway. There is no limit on how many people can enter the shop. None of the staff wear masks as wearing one for a prolonged period of time (i.e 6 hours) is extremely uncomfortable and having to readjust them by touching your face completely destroys the purpose of wearing one. The staff room and the toilets are pretty filthy, so much so that I will use hand sanitiser after touching every single appliance. The staff themselves don’t practice any form of social distancing as it makes their job literally impossible, not to mention everyone is working twice as hard to stock the shelves because people still continue to stock pile. My only defence against covids is constant hand sanitising and refraining from ever touching my face, which ironically is probably the best scientific defence againt contracting the virus.

You can read the rest of it here.

There are several protests/mass gatherings taking place this Saturday in different parts of the country to protest against the lockdown, according to the Mail. It says at least eight of them are being organised by the UK Freedom Movement, which it describes as an “anti-vaxxer group”. I’m not an anti-vaxxer myself, but would defend the right of anyone who wants to protest about a Government policy in the public square and regard the current legal prohibition on protests – one of the many civil rights that have been suspended during the lockdown – as an attack on our liberty that may well be unlawful. If anyone is planning to attend these events I would advise them to exercise their common sense when it comes to social distancing, not engage in needlessly provocative behaviour and remain peaceful. The more respectable and sensible you are, the more politically effective the protests will be. Don’t make it easy for the mainstream media to depict you as a bunch of paranoid weirdos with a far-right, anti-scientific agenda.

And if you think I’m engaging in wishful thinking by saying the lockdown restrictions may be unlawful, read this account in the Mail of what happened in Wisconsin when a group of sceptics challenged the Governor’s stay-at-home order in the state Supreme Court. They won, prompting a stampede to local bars from grateful residents. Here’s a picture of Marvin Radtke toasting the opening of the Friends and Neighbors bar in Appleton:

More good news from across the pond: Alameda County health officials have backed down in their conflict with Elon Musk, reversing their shutdown order and granting provisional approval for Tesla’s Fremont, California plant to reopen. Why have they thrown in the towel? The Babylon Bee may know the answer. The satirical online magazine ran a piece entitled: ‘California Police Attempt To Arrest Elon Musk’s Holographic Decoy As Real Musk Escapes On Rocket To Mars.’

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

  • ‘Year of the Bat: Globalisation, China and the Coronavirus‘ – Two academics, Niall McCrae and MLR Smith, call for an investigation into China’s responsibility for the pandemic in a pamphlet for Civitas
  • ‘Teaching unions, not Boris, are the reckless ones‘ – Brendan O’Neill puts the teaching unions straight in the Spectator
  • ‘The “official Covid story” is one-sided to the point of deceit‘ – Sherelle Jacobs’ continues to bang the sceptics’ drum in the Telegraph
  • ‘COVID-19: the bluffer’s guide‘ – Amusing piece by Dominic Green in Spectator USA, although of no use to readers of this site, obviously
  • ‘COVID-19 Educational Disruption and Response‘ – Hard-hitting UNESCO report on the damage being done to young people by the closure of schools
  • ‘Can we trust the Covid modelling?‘ – Johan Norberg in the Spectator doesn’t think so
  • ‘Covid antibody test a “positive development”‘ – The BBC reports Public Health England has approved a “100% accurate” antibody test from Switzerland. Pity we couldn’t make one ourselves’
  • ‘A phased approach to unlocking during the COVID‐19 pandemic – Lessons from trend analysis‘ – Priprint based on a study in Manchester which estimates that by the end of April 29% of the UK population had already been infected. Does this mean we’ve already acquired herd immunity?
  • ‘If you thought staying in lockdown was hard, wait until you see what trying to get out of it is like. But here’s how Johnson could do it‘ – Paul Goodman sets out a roadmap in ConservativeHome
  • ‘Covid Mary 2‘ – Amusing piece in a new satirical online magazine in Ireland called the Bockety Dog
  • ‘We cannot let the Left use Covid as an excuse for radical tax hikes‘ – Sunday Telegraph editor Allister Heath reacts to yesterday’s news that the Government is planning to pay the Covid bill by raising taxes

On Monday, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have reopened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area – all the more urgent in light of the latest forecast of the Federation of Small Businesses, which says that up to a third of small businesses in Britain may close as a result of the lockdown. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those small businesses that have reopened near you. Should be fairly self-explanatory – and the owners of small businesses are welcome to enter their own details. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet.

Fancy a pint of Flowers?

Some more suggestions for theme songs from readers, with a heavy metal theme today: ‘Hysteria‘ by Def Leppard, ‘Run to the Hills‘ by Iron Maiden, ‘Creeping Death‘ by Metallica and ‘Paranoid‘ by Black Sabbath.

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the last 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. It’s a daunting task, let me tell you, although not quite as daunting as I say in my latest Spectator column. In a self-pitying whinge, I say that looking after this blog may be death of me but that will be okay because my death will be one more piece of evidence that the lockdown is killing more people than it’s saving. If you still feel like donating after reading this nonsense, you can do so by clicking here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in tomorrow’s update, email me here.

And finally, a reader has come up with a wizard wheeze if you’re missing having your closest friend round for a drink. Even though socialising inside your home is verboten, you’re now allowed to list your home for sale with an estate agent and the agent is allowed to bring prospective buyers round. So contact your local Foxtons, tell them you want to sell your home and then put them in touch with your best friend, making sure to describe them as a “buyer”. When the Foxtons’ agent turns up at your doorstep with friend in tow, tell them you’re happy to show them round yourself, close the door and uncork a bottle of wine.

Previous Post

The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdowns

Next Post

COVID-19 as a Workplace Hazard (Part 1)

Donate

We depend on your donations to keep this site going. Please give what you can.

Donate Today

Comment on this Article

You’ll need to set up an account to comment if you don’t already have one. We ask for a minimum donation of £5 if you'd like to make a comment or post in our Forums.

Sign Up
Subscribe
Login
Notify of
Please log in to comment

To join in with the discussion please make a donation to The Daily Sceptic.

Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.

464 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Fed up
Fed up
5 years ago

Might I suggest that the name of the ‘Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme’ be changed to ‘Coronavirus Unemployment Postponement Scheme’?

29
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Fed up

Lol I’m gonna use that

1
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago

Hard Times of Old England’ – Steeleye Span ?

3
0
Biker
Biker
5 years ago

See when i die of boredom make sure they count it as a covid death

25
0
IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Don’t worry : they will!

13
0
RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago

Tonight at 8:02pm. MASS TWEET

Step One: Tag @BorisJohnson, @DominicRaab and @MattHancock on Twitter.

Step Two: Type, “This lockdown is destroying our lives and our economy. There is no scientific justification or legal authority to allow it to continue. We demand our freedom be returned now.”

Step Three: Add the hashtags #EndLockDown #WeWillBeFree

Step Four: At 8:02pm, thousands Tweet it and it trends on Twitter. 👍🏼

MORE INFO AT twitter.com/WeWillBeFree82 Tonight at 8:02pm. MASS TWEET

Step One: Tag @BorisJohnson, @DominicRaab and @MattHancock on Twitter.

Step Two: Type, “This lockdown is destroying our lives and our economy. There is no scientific justification or legal authority to allow it to continue. We demand our freedom be returned now.”

Step Three: Add the hashtags #EndLockDown #WeWillBeFree

Step Four: At 8:02pm, thousands Tweet it and it trends on Twitter. 👍🏼

MORE INFO AT twitter.com/WeWillBeFree82

6
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Does it sill work if we put our own message in (but include the same hashtags)? I’m a bit vague on the details of Twittering.

1
0
RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think so yes. A few people have since contacted me to say the wording needs tweaking.

I am going to simplify it (based on feedback) for version two.

Tonight is kind of a test run to see if the idea is viable. Simon Dolan retweeted it and that’s really helped it pick up some speed on Twitter. Thank you for your support. 🙂

0
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Preparing now…

1
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

My message is: Keep calm and carry on, not Panic and hide

3
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Stranglers Raven on headphones to drown out the bleating from outside

5
0
Old Bill
Old Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Interestingly, last night (writing this on Friday) there wasn’t a single peep from the NHS clapping morons last night – the previous week was bedlam with air horns, car horns etc etc. Is this a sign of a slow return to sanity?
Not only that, but in other news, a Republican won an election seat in California!!

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-05-13/trump-backed-republican-flips-california-house-seat-in-special-election

I am no great fan of Uncle Donald, but in amongst his usual rants and raves about China, Russia, Venezuela, Iran et al, he has spoken more sense than most other world leaders about this crisis (the death of liberty and the world economy I mean not covid19).

1
0
DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Launched

2
0
karate56
karate56
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Done

1
0
Oaks79
Oaks79
5 years ago

Sky News and Stuart Ramsay have moved from Italy to Mexico for their next “fear porn” segment.

https://news.sky.com/story/a-city-in-denial-over-coronavirus-mexicos-capital-is-on-the-brink-of-a-covid-19-disaster-11987726

4
-1
South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago

Quick anecdote of covid hysteria I experienced today:

I’m a delivery driver and delivered to a newly re-opened garden centre. When I asked a staff member to sign for the delivery she refused saying that she would catch covid. I said that didn’t make any sense as she would have to touch the boxes I had just touched and delivered, and that every item she comes into contact with would at some point have been touched by someone else. She said she didn’t want to take the risk.

29
-1
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  South Coast Worker

That’s sad – and very worrying

11
0
Csaba
Csaba
5 years ago
Reply to  South Coast Worker

Thanks. I love that one.

1
0
Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  South Coast Worker

Stupidity is everywhere. The government have a lot to answer for!

3
0
ianp
ianp
5 years ago
Reply to  South Coast Worker

Mental illness basically. This is what has been done to susceptible members of the population

3
0
Old Bill
Old Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  ianp

I agree, and what is more it makes me wonder if the erstwhile Professor F. was not as far out as we believed in his BSE predictions of 2002 – 50,000 dead he said. They didn’t die of course, but a good deal more than that number now have sponges instead of brains so maybe his ‘apocalepsy’ – as I like to call it – was not so misplaced on that occasion??

0
0
Carl
Carl
5 years ago

That doctors for reopening america site is hilarious, just such a classic example of loud USA patriotism to make us in Europe cringe, although of course the anti-lockdown message is ideal regardless of the site’s laughter inducing design. Regrettably hough it looks like zealots have been visitng the site and making some ironic comments on it, not sure if they’re simply Trump haters who despise anything that DT does and want to mock him, or lockdownforeverists who genuinely have failed to see how the harm of lockdowns kills mroe than the virus can. Site also asks gullible americans to enter a “special personal message for Trump”, wonder which advertising consortium that gets forwarded to.

2
0
IanE
IanE
5 years ago

I must say that I am very doubtful about the suggested right/left split vs sceptic/zealot.
You only have to look at comments in the very right wing Guido Fawkes blog to see that there are very many brexit-tory enthusiasts there that are very zealous about the Lockdown. Put up sceptical arguments there and you often get shot down by rabid zealots.
Indeed I personally find it particularly strange that Brexiteers are so often lockdown zealots -Brexit and scrapping the lockdown are both about freedom and independence, BUT if there is a correlation, it seems quite weak.

9
-1
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I’ve been assuming they are either just individuals who are bed-wetters by nature, or they see resistance to the lockdown as a dangerous attack on the Conservative government and the Brexit achievement.

It’s likely to be self-fulfilling I suspect because if we don’t get rid of Johnson, apologise for the lockdown and get someone new and relatively untainted in (not immediately, but not too late, either), the government will surely go down at the next election. It’s only a matter of time before the economic misery created by the lockdown comes to dominate people’s lives.

11
0
Maud Boggins
Maud Boggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Bojo vs ex-DPP…. ouch.

Although the latter did let Jimmy Saville wall away Scot-free… so who knows ….

4
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Starmer is brilliant. I wish he was more of an lockdown sceptic.

3
-2
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic

That’s what Labourites said about Blair, and I don’t think many of them had in mind electing a leader to lie the country into being a US accomplice in a war of aggression. Starmer is another Blair.

Cleverness is not the most important thing in a leader, imo.

3
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

He is indeed Blair’s clone. See my comment the other day about interviewing him. He oozes lawyer from every pore. He creeped me out (and answered none of my frigging questions).

1
0
AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Honestly I don’t think that’s true… I don’t think he has the charisma or guile of Blair.

Still, I reckon he’ll prove extremely difficult for Baffled-of-Downing-Street to deal with.

1
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Oh I think he has the guile. Definitely.
The Charisma though….. indeed 😂😂

0
0
james007
james007
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic

I wonder if in a year’s time new evidence will come to light, unemployment is higher, people are poorer and the skeptical case becomes stronger and more popular.
Starmer could legitimately raise questions about how all this has been handled, was the evidence strong enough to justify this reaction?

The hard part is that Boris is very much going for being the saviour of “our NHS” and “our vital public services”. This is traditional Labour territory.

I’m not yet sure how Starmer carves out a new policy platform.

1
0
Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Sources close to me suspect there has been a barrage of CCHQ posting on Guido as soon as a lockdown skeptic post appears. It is seen as a direct attack on Boris and the party. Fear not, most posters remain Brexit-supporting, anti-lockdown, anti-HS2, anti-foreign aid budget!

9
0
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I hadn’t thought of that!! But this is a leader that uses the likes of Dominic Cummings….

0
0
Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

77th Brigade – watch the UK Column podcasts for more info

0
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

If I am Lockdown sceptic, euro sceptic and gender critic…can I even call myself a leftie anymore?

10
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Brethren! Yes. You can.
You are an old school leftie. Like Tony Benn. Never forget that.

3
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Thanks 🙌🏼 Any current politicians anywhere near this mold? I’m probably not as politically knowledgable as some on here (my skepticism is born out of rationalism and empiricism not conservatism or libertarianism).

3
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

No. LOL.

‘Blue Labour’ is the closest we have. But now with Starmer in charge they have about as much hope of forming core policy as Jeremy Corbyn would have.

Basically we need a new party. One that listens to the working classes rather than sneers at them.

0
0
BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I really wish Toby would drop it tbh, it’s putting people off getting on board with the sceptical argument, polling is clear that the vast majority of people support it, they can’t all be left wing. Plus what does it matter who’s left or right in terms of having the common sense to see it’s a disaster, it’s killing our old, decimating business, wrecking children’s futures, and hammering the poor, what’s to disagree about? I just want the darn thing over with. I think there are different motivations for supporting it on left and right, and I do agree that left wing activists have politicked the living daylights out of it, but I’d bet on both sides they are affluent, it seems to be the most cushioned who are most enthusiastic and noisy about it.

15
-1
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I absolutely agree BecJT. I attend a monthly sceptical thinking group (Skeptics in the Pub anyone?) and I doubt there’s ever a Tory in the room. Mostly academic geeky types 😀

2
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

It’s divided us again but along different lines. I was a Brexit voting Boris lover now I have a new found respect for Starmer and find Boris irritating because he won’t tell the truth.

4
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic

Don’t let Boris’s ineptitude warm you up to that snake in the grass.

1
0
The Walrus
The Walrus
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Over here in the US it’s almost completely a left/right issue. I’m one of the very few on the left who oppose the lockdown. It seems that Trump Derangement Syndrome is more dangerous by far than COVID-19.

3
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Is there ANYTHING in the US that can’t be divided by red v. blue?!

2
0
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I think some of the guys at Guido’s place see Boris as the messiah, ergo an attack on his policies is an attack on the dear leader – they have placed a lot of faith in him and have had a bit of a go at tory figures against the lockdown. You can guarantee if a Labour government did this, a number of them would go bananas.

‘Guido’ himself has certainly posted some articles and links hinting at a degree of lockdown scepticism…

1
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  coalencanth12

I can imagine Guido is a massive sceptic and if that means dissing Boris, he’ll diss Boris. Sad that the right wingers seem to be the only people with any integrity these days.

2
0
AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

The axis you need is Thick/Not-Thick

That cuts across most political boundaries.

4
0
james007
james007
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I think that fear and emotion are powerful motivators. Even if someone is pro-freedom, pro-independence, if they are convinced that the lives of their family members, and people in their community are at risk they will trade in their principles.

It is a bit strange about Brexiteers. There was always a contingent of Brexit supporters who liked big-state (but UK big-state not EU big-state). But I think people across the board are scared. As long as their believe Johnson is protecting them they will support him and his extreme policies, and give up their freedoms to save “our NHS”, which would apparently absolutely completely collapse if we risked going to the hairdressers.

(Since the referendum right/left splits haven’t worked and I think David Goodhart’s somewheres/anywheres is closer – although we’ll have to invent new labels after this!)

1
0
james007
james007
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

I half expected some of what remains of the Brexit party to start some new movement. Are they generally pro-lockdown?

0
0
Clarence Beeks
Clarence Beeks
5 years ago

I have to state the obvious – we can’t have a fully functioning society and economy, and a 2m social distancing rule. Every TV news programme which now features a section on how 2m social distancing will be carried out in every school, business, train or aircraft over the coming months is not only a waste of time but is drip feeding a section of the population into thinking that this is going to be the new norm for the indefinite future. It isn’t. The country won’t last another three months if it tries to provide education, operate travel or run business under these restrictions. As we know WHO guidelines and some other countries show a safe distance of 1m. The difference between 2m and 1m makes a huge difference. Given that in the western world we already have a natural 0.5m or so social space constraint on those outside our family and close friends then, the difference between 1m of distancing and 0.5m of social space is small enough for many businesses, particularly in the entertainment and hospitality sectors to sensibly re-open. And when there is no second spike that 1m can be dropped altogether and we’re back to… Read more »

40
0
old fred
old fred
5 years ago
Reply to  Clarence Beeks

Agree. Toby’s social distancing chart shows the UK is out of line with other countries.

Relaxing the 2m guidance is the ace up the govt’s sleeve – it has got happen – they are simply waiting for the right moment to play it.

17
0
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  old fred

Well I hope it’s very soon!

6
0
Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  old fred

I think you’re right. Regardless IMO its slowly falling apart – in my area alone more people aren’t really observing the 2m rule and even ignoring the recommendation from TFL to wear face coverings on the underground.

I suspect that’s what the government is counting on.

7
0
The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Agree also – we had our gardener round today, and a builder to quote for some work. We all behaved as we would in ‘normal’ times. I then went to the supermarket – the highlight of my week – only one face mask present this week, down on the four I spotted last week. Perhaps because Wales has, sensibly, not advised people to wear them. None of the supermarket staff were wearing face masks either and all looked cheerful rather than stressed. I had a lovely chat to the lady on the checkout about chocolate biscuits. I’d recommended a certain brand to her a couple of weeks earlier and she’d remembered me, tried them and loved them. Amazing of course that working in the death trap of a supermarket that she was still living and breathing…. must be the chocolate biscuits…

12
0
Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Staff in my local supermarket have stopped wearing gloves as well and won’t be surprised that as the days pass, it will be almost like back to nearly 3 months ago.

3
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Clarence Beeks

Agree. Even the Guardian featured this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/what-would-happen-if-londoners-tried-to-go-back-to-normal-on-a-socially-distanced-underground

Basically, during rush hour the queue to enter the station would stretch back two stops along the line! AND that was assuming capacity was somehow rationed with a few people allowed on at each stop, or else it would be “full” at the start of the line already.

3
0
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

I read the Guardian article and laughed. This will last about five minutes contact with reality. Grant Shapps was at in again this evening in the presser – this stuff doesn’t seem to be going down well with a lot of conservative commentators….

4
0
John Bradley
John Bradley
5 years ago
Reply to  Clarence Beeks

Well said Clarence. The difference between 1m and 2m does make as big difference. The area around a person required for 2m is about 12.6 metre squared, for 1m its about 3.1 metre squared. So, in rough terms you can fit four times as many people into a given area if you reduce the social distance to 1m. That obviously makes a huge difference to the viability of many businesses and the effective capacity of school classrooms, public transport etc.
Trouble is it’s going to be difficult to climb down from 2m – howls of protest from Labour, unions, rest of UK, fearful public. They say they’ve been following scientific advice. Has that advice changed? Er, well no – we just made the 2m figure up. Unfortunately, I think we’re going to be stuck with 2m. People might choose to ignore it and use common sense, but businesses, schools and transport can’t. They have/will put arrangements in place for 2m. I don’t think government is going to tell everybody a few weeks down the line to change everything to 1m. People would think the Government didn’t know what it was doing!

3
0
Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  John Bradley

I seriously doubt that the 2m rule will be here to stay. More and more people are ignoring it and sectors such as retail and hospitality are flagging up the fact that this will be the death of their businesses. This will be another nail in the coffin of museums and the heritage sector as well, why no-one from that sector such as say the Director of the National Gallery or the head of English Heritage has come out to say that is baffling.

The government IMO is simply counting on quiet civil disobedience given that the police have pretty much admitted that this is unenforceable. Then when the right time comes, they will abolish it.

4
0
Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Clarence Beeks

I quite agree, but the government and a large proportion of citizens don’t seem that bothered about having a fully functioning society and economy. One hopes they will change their minds when the money runs out, but I fear it will be too late. The “new normal” narrative is hardly questioned outside of forums like these. Anything that requires government or commentariat approval to be open or survive will be obliged to put in place costly and unpleasant distancing rules. It will either be a legal condition of being allowed to operate, or expected by the public, or both. Avanti West Coast have told people they must distance, have advance tickets and wear a mask or be refused travel. The government will pick up the tab. Priti Patel went on ITV to say social distancing was here for the long term. Once the number of infections and deaths is right down, probably in another month to six weeks, the government will double down on the need to prevent a dangerous second wave. I have spoken to intelligent colleagues of mine who believe the current state of affairs should continue until we find a vaccine. When I point out that this… Read more »

5
0
Amy
Amy
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Julian,

In regards to the race to develop a C-19 vaccine, I read an article on Robert F Kennedy’s website containing the following comments from Dr. Jerome H. Kim, Director General of the International Vaccine Institute:

“In early April, Dr. Jerome H. Kim (Director General of the United-Nations-affiliated International Vaccine Institute) called attention to the “unprecedented speed” with which the Phase I trials launched, stating that it will be difficult to know whether a vaccine developed in a scant four, 12 or even 18 months “is really safe” and noting that the vaccine development process ordinarily takes anywhere from five to ten years. Although striving for enthusiasm about the “remarkable” speed-up, Kim warned that even when vaccine makers appropriately begin the process with animal studies, “vaccine development is characterized by a high failure rate of ‘often 93%.’”
SOURCE: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/gates-and-companys-covid-19-vaccine-boosterism-ignores-significant-sars-coronavirus-vaccine-risks-known-for-over-a-decade/

So it looks like your colleagues may be waiting quite some time!

0
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

” … colleagues you previously thought were intelligent …”. 🙂

3
0
Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Well, in many respects they are intelligent – high IQ, generally on top of their own lives, very together people. Some pretend to be economically illiterate so they can sound virtuous but most of them are very comfortably off and wish to remain so and I think really do know that money doesn’t grow on trees, though I am beginning to wonder. But this thing has got them spooked. I’m not especially keen on catching it, but I couldn’t argue that the whole planet should shut down indefinitely because of it. I guess most of us have certain triggers that make us think and behave irrationally. I also think that they are people who have got to used to everyone they know and the media they access agreeing with most of their views that when they encounter someone who dares to suggest that we may have to get used to a few more people dying of respiratory illnesses they are either outraged or just shut down – they don’t seem to be able to engage rationally. What baffles me is that some of them have kids that they love very deeply but they don’t feel moved to think that we’re… Read more »

1
0
Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Clarence Beeks

Why the 2m rule? How about this:

Because the new 5G based tracking systems get confused when people are too close. In order to affirm 100 percent accountability for everyone under the system, people have to be forced to have a certain amount of space between each other. Clearly, if someone really has this virus, – with how far it can survive and travel – six feet is not even close to enough and those spewing the social distancing mantra know it. It is for easier tracking purposes only.

1
-2
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I must admit it did cross my mind whether it is to make things easier for those designing ‘driver-less vehicles’.

0
0
swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

Changing the goalposts and the narrative Lockdown was intended two weeks to flatten the curve but then prolonged months to stamp out all infection. The extremely positive figures with a minimal risk of death in children of Covid-19 was answered with reports of Kawasaki’s syndrome (not all even pos. for Covid-19) in some children in London, New York. In an interview Dr Fauci was concerned that we did not know enough about this virus in children at this stage and, alluding to Kawasaki cases, a return to normal schooling was dangerous The astonishing figures of Covid-19 deaths with median age in almost all European countries equivalent to life expectancy and Germany having double amount of deaths over 100 years of age compared to all deaths under 40 This was contradicted as pure social Darwinism thinking but they did not answer the real Public Health question how a ruined economy can afford to help the elderly citizen and the NHS at the same time come this winter. The good news that the NHS coped with the first wave was immediately contradicted that wait only for the second wave like the Spanish flu (where we don’t even know if all waves were… Read more »

14
0
OpenYourEyes
OpenYourEyes
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The second wave in Spanish Flu was likely caused by the fact that soldiers with a stronger dose were sent home. this reverses the natural order of thing as the sick travelled thousands of miles while the healthy remained in post. No such occurrence has taken place with covid19. Also of note against this argument, this is arguably the second wave already with the original outbreak in December as by February cure were higher than new cases. We are in the second season of what looks like a seasonal virus, so it could be the second wave.

13
0
Gossamer
Gossamer
5 years ago
Reply to  OpenYourEyes

History.com (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic) has this to say about Spanish Flu deaths and aspirin poisoning. A sobering example of what happens when “the science” is not actually … er… based on science:

“With no cure for the flu, many doctors prescribed medication that they felt would alleviate symptoms… including aspirin, which had been trademarked by Bayer in 1899—a patent that expired in 1917, meaning new companies were able to produce the drug during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

“Before the spike in deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu in 1918, the U.S. Surgeon General, Navy and the Journal of the American Medical Association had all recommended the use of aspirin. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.”

6
0
jrsm
jrsm
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Unfortunately, I think you have the decimal point in the IFR wrong… Spain’s population is about 47M, 5% would mean that 2.35M are infected, and therefore 27100 deaths / 2.35 M is about 1.3% IFR.

0
0
Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  jrsm

Look at the data by age group:

https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1260995868032974849

It shows what every set of data from every country has always shown: the virus is only a threat to the elderly.

And please remember that Spain, like so many other countries, is including as Covid-19 deaths people who merely died with the infection as distinct from those who actually died from it.

2
0
jrsm
jrsm
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

You are correct, of course, that the fatality data is probably overstated. In Portugal, for instance, the government proudly says that anyone who dies Covid-19 positive is counted as a Covid-19 fatality, even if they were run over by a truck. Also, they will also perform antibody tests, but will exclude from them anyone who has been diagnosed with Covid-19 or who has been in contact with someone who had Covid-19, which will inflate the estimated IFR. I don’t know whether Spain also did this.

1
0
swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  jrsm

Sorry made a mistake. But 1.3% must of course be subdivided into age groups and then I am sure under 60 would be in that better range but over 60 substantially higher.That has been the typical death rates everywhere and really have one death rate below 65 and one over 65 would be the only sensible to base public health decision.Thanks for the correction .

2
0
Allan Gay
Allan Gay
5 years ago

Now that the NHS has been saved, can we have our country back?

53
0
GetaGrip
GetaGrip
5 years ago
Reply to  Allan Gay

What Country would that be?

This lump of rock is now just a Health Service with a funding mechanism attached.

34
0
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  GetaGrip

You mean an ill-health service?

7
0
BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  GetaGrip

That made me laugh out loud. Spot on.

1
0
WSmith
WSmith
5 years ago
Reply to  GetaGrip

Hospital one, part of the glorious Oceenia superstate.

4
0
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  WSmith

I’m Winston Smith!

1
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

That’s a coincidence meeting you here because recently I have been questioning whether I might actually be Julia.

1
0
DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Allan Gay

The NHS may have been saved but at what cost. Many elderly and /or infirm people who regularly trip between hospital and home / care home may have not received the treatment they would have received before this farce.

8
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Allan Gay

NHS saved. People still dying.

Eh?

3
-1
Bill H
Bill H
5 years ago

The Chris Whitty video, part of the briefing earlier this week with Boris, where he basically admits that Covid is not really that big a deal – has been removed by YouTube. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9romNO55yo

This is is really jackboot stuff…..

I am increasingly worried by the way this is going.

37
0
Maid Boggins
Maid Boggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Careful Bill…. you wouldn’t want anyone accusing you of being a “conspiracy theorist”!

😉

5
0
South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago
Reply to  Maid Boggins

My rule of thumb with conspiracy theories is that if the official version of events is more outlandish and unbelievable than the conspiracy theory then I’ll go with the conspiracy. As a result it turns out that I believe pretty much every conspiracy theory going!
I’m still not sold on the whole lizard thing though….

16
0
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

It’s available here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IbiUE_2Sv0g for the time being. I have downloaded it and will re-upload to Bitshute. I suggest we treat the powers that be as hostile until proven otherwise and do the same for every piece of information. Don’t just share links, back up the content and get it onto a censorship free platform. Otherwise anything that contradicts the official narrative risks being memory holed.

I am quite clear that there has been a coup of the Western nations and we’d be better off trying to deal with that, rather than trying to talk sense into a government which is hostile. You cannot, with reason, move a person from a position which reason did not get them into. And facts will not shift this policy only a direct challenge to the legitimacy of their power will do so.

22
-1
A13
A13
5 years ago
Reply to  Willow

full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BdPKpWbxTg

2
0
Bill H
Bill H
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Replying to myself – sad I know.

If you need it, the footage of Chris Whitty is still available on iPlayer (Though not easily thru the BBC search system )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000jh2f/briefings-downing-street-coronavirus-news-conference-11052020

Around 45 minutes in.

He basically says this is an epidemic, it’s not that deadly, and that’s what Patrick Vallance and I have been saying all along……

Getting ducks in a row for the inevitable post-mortem ?

18
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Not sad at all! Thanks Bill
I want to share it but I’m scared about a backlash…

2
0
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

I couldn’t bear to watch any more of the daily whitewashes (even at double playback speed) but I did notice Chris Whitty was sneaking in bits of common sense a couple of weeks ago. Notice he remembers to add the party line afterwards. One dead giveaway was when he mentioned the NHS, then hastily corrected it to the fantastic NHS.

10
0
Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I read somewhere online recently that Chris Whitty is shortly to take up a post with the WHO – anyone else heard this and know if it is true?

0
0
John Bradley
John Bradley
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yes, he’s the only one who has consistently mentioned need to look at the wider picture- the indirect deaths caused by lockdown.

4
0
John Bradley
John Bradley
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Thanks Bill. Are you saying that a video in which this country’s Chief Medical Officer answers a question from a journalist, in a Government press briefing, has been taken down by You Tube because it violates You Tube’s Community Guidelines? Shurely shome mishtake.

5
0
Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/14/government-considering-health-certificates-proof-immunity-established/

I really thought we’d done away with this dystopian idea of immunity certificates. They make my blood run utterly, utterly cold. Not only are they something that Huxley could have dreamt up, but they are counter-intuitive as people will just try to catch the disease in order to live a normal life.

I also find it funny how the MSM/mainstream scientific figures constantly doom-monger about immunity, how ‘it doesn’t last that long’ or ‘it doesn’t protect you from getting it again soon afterwards’. So if immunity is supposedly so dubious and unreliable, then why the hell is the government still touting the idea of these horrifically oppressive certificates? You can’t have it both ways.

It’s reading stories like this which really make me despair and feel hopeless for the future. They just kill any optimism I have about ever getting back to normal – the ‘old’ normal, not the horrendously sterile, culturally and socially desolate, ‘new’ normal.

22
0
Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

‘People who test positive for coronavirus antibodies will not be given an “immunity passport” because there is no proof they could not get the disease again.

Instead, ministers are discussing giving people a “health certificate” to confirm they have had coronavirus, so that they will be able to enjoy greater freedom if and when proof of immunity has been established.’

‘Greater freedom’ – this really is Gattaca-level stuff. I can’t see how this won’t create an underclass of those who were (un)lucky enough not to catch the disease.

13
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I can’t see it happening – too easily ignored, faked, gamed, forged, bought/sold. I’m fairly sure my dog is going to eat mine. 🙂

12
0
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

“Digital” research ID2020 to see what this is about

1
-1
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Willow

Yeah, heard of ID2020. My dog’ll eat anything to do with it. 🙂

0
0
Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Not if the vaccine is combined with a dye that stays under the skin and can be scanned to confirm you’ve had the vaccine:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-could-reveal-whether-kids-have-been-vaccinated/
Invisible Ink Could Reveal whether Kids Have Been Vaccinated
The technology embeds immunization records into a child’s skin

1
0
Offlands
Offlands
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

And the name of the enzyme used in the dye? Luciferase

0
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

We’re getting into ‘Are they prepared to risk death in order to inject me ?” territory here.

0
0
Digger
Digger
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Precisely. Do I spend time off work being tested (and vaccinated, if a vaccine becomes available and proof of vaccination becomes a travel requirement) or do I buy the necessary paperwork from a dodgy doc for £50?

4
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Digger

I can do you a set for £45, Digger …

0
0
DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Health certificates, the new currency. What has happened to this nation in a few short weeks. I was brought up in the Cold War era, expecting the three minute warning at any time. This is far far worst, in my opinion.

14
0
Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Furthermore – such a certificate penalises those who have obeyed the lockdown, stayed inside and not caught the disease! Who the hell is advising these loons?

(Oh for an edit button… last post, I promise)

14
-1
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Funny how so many of the people who usually spend their time obsessing about “discrimination” in various forms are suddenly so keen on it.

And I wonder how it would stand up to the various discrimination laws we are saddled with.

15
0
EmmanualGoldstein
EmmanualGoldstein
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think in the event of certificates being used in such a way it won’t just be court cases saying that this sort of sh*t is illegal, it will every decent minded person everywhere in the country violating by whatever means are feasible the orders of any high-vis Hitler who decides to discriminate on such a basis. We will break every rule undrpinning such a system and ensure it turns out worse than useless. We will fake such “certificates”, disrupt the work of the people responsible for managing and producing the certificates, ensure that certificates from all manner of people with good and bad statuses on them go missing and get mixed up… On the other hand if they want to simply track immunity on an anonymised basis that’s OK, I don’t dispute the idea of letting tested people ring up a Gov office every so often to say “X months and I still haven’t caught it again”. But if they try to push us around in any way based on status of a certificate or whether one is willing to carry such a ocument/phone-app at all then the social contract is over and nothing will stop us taking for… Read more »

4
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  EmmanualGoldstein

The spirit of Clarence Henry Wilcock ! 🙂

1
0
GetaGrip
GetaGrip
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Immunity Certificates – what’s not to like?

This:

”Immunes to the Front of the Bus, Others to the Rear”
“This Entrance: Immunes only”
“Priority Queue: NHS workers and Immunes Only”
“No Non-immunes Allowed In This Establishment”
“We only hire Immunes”

27
0
RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago
Reply to  GetaGrip

Would make the perfect plot for a horror/drama.

3
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I suspect a lot of people will want to get an antibody test to satisfy their own curiosity about whether they’ve had it or not.
I’m 85% sure I came down with it the first weekend of Jan – GP said it was “just a virus” and “not to worry as they’d been seeing loads of it”.
My boss put me under a lot of pressure to come to work and even threatened me with a warning if I didn’t – the irony now!
Kinda want a certificate just to go and shove it in both of their faces.

4
0
Vicky
Vicky
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

The best certificate to shove in faces is the UN declaration of human rights, the one they wrote in response to the holocaust. Any little Eichmann who thinks his orders to “not allow non-immunes into this bulding” over-ride that declaration is in for a very nasty shock.

8
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Vicky

They laugh their socks off at any declaration of rights that omits the right to bear arms.

0
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Your username deserves clapping next Thursday

2
0
karate56
karate56
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Surely the fact that everyone has been told to get to work if they can, past infection or not, makes immunity passports useless.
Are we also to punish those who the government have lied so hard to keep safe – us – for not catching it?
Will we have a world where restaurants, pubs, cinema can only be attended with confimed antibody carriers? Can only they ever go on holiday again, play sport? Considering the do called disease prevalence is do low, a fast majority of us can expect a more than shit life if thix happened.
Sadly, i think it will happen, bases on government ideology. If it does, its mass genocide, not discrimination

7
0
Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  karate56

I’m worried about a Bill Gates vaccine being compulsory – with no work or travel unless you have it…

6
-1
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I’m not sure what is going on with our government. I suspect there is no-one in cabinet (I’m not in the mood to go through their bios at the minute) or in their advisory teams that has any science or technology qualifications, ergo they take at face value suggestions crazy scientists come up with (and I am one and know what some can be like) and latch onto things that sound good, but are completely unworkable. One can presume that auf Deutschland, Mutti ist all over this being a PhD qualified scientist.

This madness will mainly lead to idiots trying to infect themselves .

2
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

What’s really funny is our own bodies are 90% bacteria! I’m sure that would freak a lot of people out right now https://bigthink.com/amped/humans-10-human-and-90-bacterial

2
0
Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I assume that the “immunity passports” are predicated on either a positive antibody test to confirm you’ve had it, or a vaccine, thereby making the latter compulsory if you want to get on with your life.
But as you say, at the same time some scientists are saying that having antibodies because you’ve had CV19 doesn’t mean you can’t catch it again, then how is a vaccine supposed to protect anyone from catching it?
There’ll be plenty lining up to get the vaccine because they’ve been terrified into it, but there’ll be plenty of others who won’t.

2
0
Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Well we just fight it. When Blair and Blunkett were trying to deliver i.d. cards and people felt it was oppressive they got massive oppositions – and they lost. We can do it again.

12
0
Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

There will hopefully be a booming black market in forged immunity certificates, too many forgers to be policed. Or maybe even templates you can do yourself will be knocking around on the internet. The irony is many pro-lockdowners will be trying to get their hands on one.

4
0
SilentReader
SilentReader
5 years ago

“There’s good reason to believe all of those things are happening in the UK too, although the number of people affected will almost certainly be greater because our population is larger.”

Well that’s just not true, Toby. Germany has 80+ million people, the UK 66+ million. Not fact unchecked 😉

2
0
Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentReader

Was just going to say the same thing. Germany is a much larger country than the UK. I’ve travelled around and across both nations quite extensively. Britain just feels more crowded as we are squashed into a smaller space.

1
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

Exactly. They have 20 million more people yes…..
But their land mass is MASSIVE.

1
0
South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago

I’d like to attend the peaceful mass gathering but I am wary of the sort of demographic it may attract. The same as a football match does. I think I’ll walk along and assess when I get there.

6
-2
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  South Coast Worker

Footie matches nowadays are nearly always tens of thousands of good-natured piss heads. (Possibly excepting Glasgow).

1
0
Bruce Wallace
Bruce Wallace
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Aye non good-natured piss heads.

1
0
DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  South Coast Worker

By demographic they may attract I image you mean heavy handed police? Don’t think they have parties these days?

1
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago

Martin Armstrong makes valid criticisms, though blaming Ferguson on the basis that he “never ran by any economist what the cost of shutting down the entire economy would be” is unfair. It wasn’t Ferguson’s job to consider the economic costs of a health policy that he as a health “expert” might propose. It is the job of government to consider the views of reputable experts (including dissenting voices) in all the fields relevant to a situation, and then to apply their judgement as leaders to making the decision. Contrary to a delusion that seems to be commonplace, it is not their job to be led like sheep by any particular set of experts – that would be outright negligence on the part of any leader. Faced with a set of experts proposing a major policy change in response to a set of circumstances within their area of expertise, this is what a government should do. If they don’t do all this, they are negligent. 1 Make sure the experts’ consensus is real (ie consult alternative experts). 2 Apply their own judgement to determine if the proposed course of action is morally acceptable. In the case of the lockdown the policy… Read more »

18
0
South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Why didn’t they ask him to model the lives lost due to a lockdown. I’m sure his magical number box could have done it.

8
0
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“… apply their judgement as leaders ….” We wish!

0
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

or a coup. 🙂

3
0
GetaGrip
GetaGrip
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I believe there was a cost-benefit analysis:

“So what’s the benefit?
Well, it’ll look we’re doing something decisive – like other countries”

“So what’s the cost?
Dunno, but when did anyone ever lose votes by spending taxpayers’ money?”

Motion carried.

10
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  GetaGrip

Pretty sure you are right, there.

1
0
Schrodinger
Schrodinger
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Dr. Kendrick did a good piece on the cost/benefit thing a few weeks ago

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/29/a-health-economic-perspective-on-covid-19/

2
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

And as he pointed out, the numbers mean that there was little prospect of getting within an order of magnitude of the kind of figures we regard as justified to spend on saving a life.

2
0
Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago

Today in the countryside I encountered an elderly man on a fairly narrow footpath. A pair of seriously good binoculars was round his neck and I assumed that he, like me, is interested in bird-watching. Stopping well short of him, I asked whether he had seen anything of note and we had a brief conversation, during which I could see that he was fearful that I would venture any closer. (I observe the social distancing rules, not because I believe in them but because my failure to do so might cause distress to others.) As our talk went on, I could see that he was not just fearful but absolutely terrified. This gentle, mildly spoken octogenarian has been terrorised by an establishment to which he may well have contributed handsomely for his entire working life. Our conversation was soon over. As we parted I became almost incandescently angry and for the first time understood the term ‘beside myself’. It was almost as if it were someone else vowing never, ever to forgive Boris Johnson, his government and advisers for what they have done to the social fabric of this country – never mind the catastrophic material damage. For my sins,… Read more »

58
0
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

I’m coming to the conclusion that anger is the only appropriate response to this ridiculous situation and hopefully it will create enough momentum to trigger positive action.

17
0
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Social distancing is to get us conditioned that “humans are biohazards, machines are not”
This is dystopia
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/08/andrew-cuomo-eric-schmidt-coronavirus-tech-shock-doctrine/

7
-2
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  Willow

Worth paying attention to this and the use of the word biosecurity. I foresee it will become an act of terrorism to refuse a vaccine or digital identity
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/former-counter-terror-official-tom-hurd-put-in-charge-new-uk-biosecurity-centre-coronavirus

On that note – Trump has just announced there will be a military roll out of the vaccine

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/05/breaking-president-trump-says-he-will-mobilize-military-to-distribute-covid-19-vaccine.html

Totalitarian steps in Australia
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/new-asio-law-one-more-step-towards-a-totalitarian-state-20200513-p54smi.html

And New Zealand
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12331547

7
-1
chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

They’re not so bad here, I’ve been regularly bumping into people I know and people I don’t while out walking. We remain a distance apart but still talk. Some of them are as cynical as me.

Tuesday there were two policemen in the park, I don’t know what they were doing except marching macho style far less than 2m apart.

Wednesday I walked on the common where someone’s car had been stickered telling her to go home and stay indoors. There were a number of walkers, not many under seventy. Which is good.

6
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  chris c

Crikey, which common, Chris ?

0
0
Paul
Paul
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

The sheer terror that the government and especially all branches of the media has created in a large proportion of the population,especially the elderly,is startling and to have created this psychological damage knowingly is utterly unforgivable,it is going to take hell of a lot to help a lot of people to get through it,Over the past few weeks I have gone through various emotions regarding all of this but I too am moving into a deeper and deeper anger.

15
0
Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

I don’t observe any social distancing rules.

12
0
Jerry
Jerry
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Castro

Would be better to observe the minor and not unreasonable ones, then our breaking of the intrusive ones seems a clear protest against their intrusiveness rather than being totally apathetic to the virus. Observe the subtle ones to let folks see you’re reasonable, violate the draconian ones to show them what is right.

0
0
Amy
Amy
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Simon,

I feel exactly the same way. For the first time ever in the December 2019 general election, I put a very shaky cross next to the Conservative candidate for my constituency (a complete arsehole by the way, but essentially a proxy vote for BoJo). I’ve regretted casting that vote more and more each passing day. I’ll never votAmye again. I’m officially a political atheist.

0
0
iainclark
iainclark
5 years ago

Missed the clap for people doing the job they’re paid for because I was reading this.

As a fan of the band Soft Machine is suggest Hope For Happiness and Why Are We Sleeping.

10
0
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  iainclark

Just got back from taking an embarassing number of bottles to the glass bank. Passed four people waving at me as if I had a dodgy tyre. Stopped and wound down my window. “Honk your horn!” said the one who had been most energetically trying to get my attention. “Get a life!” was my reply. Hence followed some rude words from the saintly silvertops but I was on my way.
Not a single clapper out on my street!

15
0
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I actually went outside to try and talk to the clappers. I am convinced they thought I was insane and I am half expecting a visit from plod actually.

10
0
CarrieAH
CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  Willow

I just did my usual act of going outside and waving happily to my neighbours, and talking to people walking by with frightened dogs who don’t like the clapping. I’m not sure if they’ve noticed yet that I never clap . . . !

7
-1
BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  iainclark

We could start boo-ing? Boo hiss, you killed the oldies, and nicked all the care homes’ PPE.

8
0
chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  iainclark

That dates you (and me!)

It begins with a blessing, it ends with a curse
Making life easy by making it worse
“My mask is my master”, the trumpeter weeps
But his voice is so weak, as he speaks from his sleep

Predicted by Kevin Ayers

How about Grateful Dead “Look Out Of Any Window”

0
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  chris c

Good choice, but that is the first line of ‘Box of Rain’.

Another thing to hold at Boris’ account – some of the remnants of the Dead were going to play the south of England last month. Over the moon. Bought ticket. Cancelled. 🙁

1
0
Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  iainclark

T.B.Sheets Van Morrison

0
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  iainclark

I missed it because I was fixing computers.
People looked at me wrong because I refused to clap. Clap for myself? Or the magic healing warriors of the NHS?
Piss off. If I don’t fix this your luxury food hamper doesn’t get delivered.

4
0
AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago

Boris is a dead man walking. Starmer might not have charisma, but his mind is sharp as all hell.

The Tories are gonna have to get rid when the parliament has run half its course.

18
-1
Paul Seale
Paul Seale
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Said this to the wife before Easter but I gave him until Xmas.

6
0
Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

I’m sceptical the gov will go because any sort of resignation will basically be an admission that they messed up big time, which they’re trying to avoid at any cost by doubling down on the most expensive and harmful policy mistake in history.

8
0
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I think the best we can hope for is that big Tory donors dictate, in no uncertain terms, what is going to happen. These voices will get louder and louder as Europe starts to open up.

It pains me a bit to write that!!!!

8
0
mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

I think Hancock and Sunak will go when the full economic idiocy hits. Hancock for being too eager in his advice. Raab will probably stay.

2
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Rishi is the only one I have the slightest pity for. He’s being dumb right now but I honestly think the poor lad is trying his best.

Everyone else – especially Matt Handjob – incompetence on a staggering level.

6
0
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

I strongly recommend watching this before taking any comfort in thoughts of ministerial resignations or consequences at the election. Very large wheels are turning behind the scenes.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-13th-may-2020

2
0
South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Who cares? Makes zero difference as to the course of events. This whole thing is evidence of that.

2
0
JH
JH
5 years ago

Something I’ve not understood in the above piece — perhaps readers could help me ?

Why is the cancellation/deferral of NHS treatment of non-COVID conditions (which I agree is serious and concerning, especially in respect of the most vulnerable) being blamed on “lockdown” ?

Surely if lockdown was lifted, adding (at least in the short to medium term) to the number of COVID cases for the NHS to deal with, that would mean even *less* capacity for non-COVID work, not more ?

What is it that I have missed ?

1
-1
A13
A13
5 years ago
Reply to  JH

There are loads of reports coming in suggesting that NHS wasn’t underwhelmed and it would have capacity to deal with both: COVID and non-COVID cases.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/04/one-nightingale-hospital-use-london-centre-mothballed/

5
0
A13
A13
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

Someone posted this on youtube in comments under Chris Witty’s video
“Doctors & Nurses Overwhelmed???”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ir5e5_yl8&feature=youtu.be

1
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

I wonder if the Nightingale hospitals would’ve had the capacity to take all COVID patients? Any of the number crunchers on here want to take it on?!

0
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

It’s certainly where they should have put the old people they discharged back into care homes……

2
0
A13
A13
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

Sorry, I obviously meant to say that NHS wasn’t OVERWHELMED but can’t edit my post.

5
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  JH

Lockdown and the policy of clearing the NHS decks to prepare for the Imperial projected tsunami of covid deaths meant that NHS care was directly removed from probably hundreds of thousands of people who needed it.

Without lockdown, those people might have got the care they need. In some places they might not, if there was pressure on facilities, but we will never really know.

7
0
Decima
Decima
5 years ago
Reply to  JH

Because a predictive model which massively and erroneously over estimated the risk of both contagion and death sent the NHS and the whole country into a panic the result being that my hospital has 500 empty beds as we speak and never less than 400 from the start. Out ITU capacity was increased massively yet was never needed, between 5 and 9 covid patients in it at any one time and they were bought in from other regions that had run out of PPE. We achieved this by cancelling everything and discharging everyone including the most vulnerable into the community to die. Most patients suffering with covid won’t need ITU, it doesn’t improve their chances, even more people won’t need an admission to hospital at all when they do get it. The sad truth is we’ve reacted incorrectly fuled by misinformation and failed science the result of which is a complete abandonment of our responsibilities as health care providers to those in need. We never needed to respond with such extreme measures and in doing so have smashed the NHS into the dust. We have convinced ill people to stay away from hospital when they need us and shrugged our… Read more »

25
0
DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

The first part of this video seems like a good one to point sheeple at. It takes a logical approach, later on it goes into Agenta 21, which may be too much for some.

I may contact the author and ask if I can edit the video to remove the later part off and start emailing the short video to colleuges.

https://youtu.be/j33O-USISz0

D

3
-1
RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago

Thanks to everyone who Tweeted at 8:02pm. This is just the beginning…

Never ever stop fighting.

And huge thanks to Toby for dedicating his life to this blog. We are indebted to you.

R Dawg

34
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

A quick tutorial on Twitter etiquette and methods might be useful if you get time. As in, what do we do after sending our tweet, do we look for others? Where? Like? Retweet?

1
0
RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Hi Mark,
Good point. I’m still learning myself! I never used social media until this lockdown.

1
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

A learning process. Probably good for us to learn about it, anyway…

Thanks for taking the time to try to do something.

1
0
Jacob Nielson
Jacob Nielson
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Things I’ll miss when lockdown’s over: 1. Toby’s “Lockdown Sceptics”.
Er….that’s it!

14
0
South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago
Reply to  Jacob Nielson

The fallout of this will be around forever, There’ll be plenty of fodder for this site should it choose to continue.

1
0
Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
5 years ago

It will be interesting to see if the government has an official policy of promoting ” terror ” in the population. The BBC which is the de facto state broadcaster seems to always give publicity to the 21 year old with Corona in hospital to emphasise we are all susceptable . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-52572794 I have seen scientific papers which advocate a policy of terror as a way of maintaining lockdown and social distancing but I imagine any documents which show it was agreed to by the top leadership will be in the top secret draw for the next 70 years. In the 1980s any of you around then will remember the AIDS horror movies from the government , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SqRNUUOk7s Upping the terror has been used by most unsavoury regimes in history from Robespierre to Germany during the war. The downside of terror as official policy is the exacerbation of mental health problems in the population. The government and media are keeping the figures on suicide very quiet , ? is there a D notice. Working in the health service I can tell you there is much less trivial ” self harm ” often by teenage girls and a lot more actual… Read more »

15
0
Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Like this policy of terror you mean?
https://twitter.com/WillowWyse/status/1260841702828408833?s=20

2
0
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

“The downside of terror as official policy is the exacerbation of mental health problems in the population.”

And the difficulty of walking it back once you’ve whipped it up.

“I have seen scientific papers which advocate a policy of terror as a way of maintaining lockdown and social distancing”

The Sage paper that was floating about recently?

10
0
Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Sadly, I have just read two suicide stories in The Mail online – a young woman who could not travel to her grandmother’s funeral due to the lockdown, and a 17 year-old student worried about his A levels. More young people have committed suicide as a result of the lockdown measures than have died from CV. The government needs to reflect on that and put itself in the shoes of those parents – this could and should have been foreseen.

25
0
Jane
Jane
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

And they never found a vaccine for HIV. Looking for one has kept a lot of people in gainful employment though.

1
0
Schrodinger
Schrodinger
5 years ago

Apologies if this had been posted anywhere else but this is going around on Facebook – allegedly written by a Doctor at Broadgreen Hospital, Liverpool. If anyone can confirm the Source it might be useful “To all the people on here threatening to unfriend people, or wishing a second wave of COVID on people, for daring to go out in the sun yesterday, you really need to think about what you are writing, and a lot of you are health professionals as well. What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health “expert” say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes? The reason we had lockdown was to “flatten the curve” or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that. Not one “expert” worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be… Read more »

85
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

Excellent post. (I was born in Broadgreen Hospital. 🙂 ).

5
0
Schrodinger
Schrodinger
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

My wife worked at Broadgreen as doctor another lifetime ago.

1
0
BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

I can’t verify this, will keep looking, it’s a very good coherent post.

2
0
Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

jesus bro i was reading your post and then you hit me with a list of things that happen to you if you get old. It sounds horrific, that’s why i choose to believe that i can live forever as long as i can keep riding motorcycles so you’ll see why this lockdown is a serious threat to my immortality

9
-1
Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Not if, but when and how. If we make it to real old age, we just have to hope the “old man’s friend” gets us out quickly:

https://pneumonia.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s41479-018-0052-7

4
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

THIS is the person we should be applauding each Thursday !!

9
0
David Adams
David Adams
5 years ago

Thanks so much Toby for taking your time to share everyday. Reading your articles daily has kept me sane.

25
0
Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Fell down a rabbit hole via YouTube and found this, an Italian MP challenging the stats and questioning why even deaths from cancer, heart disease, etc has been listed as Corona virus. Apologies if this has already been posted on this website:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1-_1yQMT1A&feature=youtu.be

6
0
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago

I recently checked what the uptake was for the flu vaccine in the UK – off the top of my head 70% of older folks and just 48% of vulnerable people. My GP surgery actually calls people up to tell them to come in.

If people who need this can’t be bothered then why would they get the CV vaccine? I think this is why the media is suddenly touting that it would have to be mandatory because you can lead a horse to water…

3
0
Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

I think I read somewhere that one of the lowest uptakes for the flu jab is among healthcare workers, including doctors and nurses

8
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

They’ve probably noticed that they still get the flu anyway, if not more than others. It’s a curious practice but like any time-honoured habit will take a while to go away.

2
0
Sheltielass
Sheltielass
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I know three mums who all work in different wards in our local hospital. All three have never had the flu vaccine, one doesn’t even let her two daughters get it at school.

4
0
Peter
Peter
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Personally I’d take the flu vaccine if they went to a skin patch microneedle delivry method rather than those horrid syringes, I’m not eligible to get the flu vaccine free and I’d be willing to pay if only they’d give up on nasty metal needles and go to a pain free delivery method.

0
-1
BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

What happened with Simon Dolan’s legal challenge? I thought the Gov had to respond by the 12th? Given I’ve lost all concept of time, and don’t know what day of the week it is, I’ve just noticed it’s the 14th. I also think it’s Wednesday, but I might be wrong.

1
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

They asked for a week’s delay. Probably getting the Sage papers in order…

1
0
BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic

Yes I know, and Simon’s team refused, just checked his twitter, tomorrow latest for a response.

3
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Great can’t wait to hear. According to James Delingpole’s podcast with him he got hold of the Sage docs that showed the media were complicit in ‘persuading’ the public to get scared. Certainly worked.

6
0
JASA
JASA
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I donated a small amount and so get updates by e-mail. Just received an update that says the government has replied with a 13 page response which will take his legal team a day or so to read and respond to. However, the government has refused to release the minutes of the SAGE meetings.

9
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  JASA

I’m not surprised. All that stuff about using psychological persuasion etc…playing with our mental health…

6
0
JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic

Fairly sure someone posted SAGE minutes here a few days ago. From March, they were.

0
0
Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

We need just ONE prominent publication to publish those papers. Just ONE.

5
0
A13
A13
5 years ago

This is nonsense. I can’t tell if it was meant as a joke or not, but I can’t wait to see equally stupid ideas in this country.
German cafe created social distancing hats for customers:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/world/german-cafe-social-distancing-hats-a4440946.html%3Famp

2
0
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

That’s almost as bad as them hats they made them kids wear in China. I suppose at least adults can give some informed consent to this rubbish but if it comes to this in the UK I will simply not bother and the business will lose my custom. This is what worries me most about this rubbish – people just won’t bother with the hassle.

1
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

That’s actually very funny!

0
0
Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

That is just ridiculous..

0
0
ianp
ianp
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

Surely, this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen… Now, say you shared that on that bastion of reasonable thought like facebook (arf!!) without any comment, or merely ‘Good idea for UK?’ … so as to not give away what side you would be on, I just wonder how many of the sheep will bite and reveal themselves and how many would not be able to resist a ‘ROFL’, ‘PMSL’ or similar emoji.

0
0
Herman the German
Herman the German
5 years ago
Reply to  A13

As far as I understood, they did that as a joke. And got slammed for it by some people on FB and / or Twitter (I am not sure) for making inappropriate jokes of such a serious situation…

1
0
Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago

There is a big difference between a vaccine which is *available* for those who want to have it and a vaccine that is pretty much compulsory, ie there is a penalty of not being able to work, travel or socialise if you should ‘choose’ to refuse. We are not currently forced to have a flu vaccination and the latest research suggests Covid-19 is not so dangerous as to warrant making vaccination against it being mandatory.

7
0
Sceptic
Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

But the travel ban will make it difficult for many. I used to travel long haul twice a year but I’m now looking at moving to another country and staying put. People like Djokovic may no longer come to Wimbledon unless they do some kind of deal (he could probably arrange it.). Plus why is there any guarantee of immunity? The flu vax doesn’t have it (around 29% last year) and they’ve never found an effective vaccine for the common cold and that’s a coronavirus. The whole thing just doesn’t sound right.

5
0

PODCAST

The Sceptic | Episode 68: AI Overhyped and the Green Zealots’ Failed Temperature Predictions

by Richard Eldred
20 February 2026
1

LISTED ARTICLES

  • Most Read
  • Most Commented
  • Editor’s Picks

The Metropolitan Police Has Questions to Answer Over the Officer Who Stood Up for Free Speech Surrounded by Angry Muslims

23 February 2026
by Julian Mann

News Round-Up

23 February 2026
by Richard Eldred

The Ritual Punishment of Sir Jim Ratcliffe Proves He Was Correct to Say Britain Has Been Colonised – by a Traitorous White Colonial Governing Class

23 February 2026
by Steven Tucker

Long Covid: A Disease in Search of a Diagnosis

23 February 2026
by Dr Roger Watson

Nottingham Killer Was Not Sectioned “Because He Was Black”

23 February 2026
by Will Jones

The Metropolitan Police Has Questions to Answer Over the Officer Who Stood Up for Free Speech Surrounded by Angry Muslims

29

Dale Vince Slams Heat Pumps as Overhyped and Mis-Sold

33

Net Zero Blamed as British Factories Pay Nearly Twice as Much as France for Electricity

16

Nottingham Killer Was Not Sectioned “Because He Was Black”

15

The Ritual Punishment of Sir Jim Ratcliffe Proves He Was Correct to Say Britain Has Been Colonised – by a Traitorous White Colonial Governing Class

12

Labour is Taking Too Long Over SEND Reform

23 February 2026
by Mary Gilleece

The Metropolitan Police Has Questions to Answer Over the Officer Who Stood Up for Free Speech Surrounded by Angry Muslims

23 February 2026
by Julian Mann

Long Covid: A Disease in Search of a Diagnosis

23 February 2026
by Dr Roger Watson

The Ritual Punishment of Sir Jim Ratcliffe Proves He Was Correct to Say Britain Has Been Colonised – by a Traitorous White Colonial Governing Class

23 February 2026
by Steven Tucker

Are More Britons Dying From Cold Weather Thanks to Covid and Lockdowns?

22 February 2026
by Sallust

POSTS BY DATE

May 2020
M T W T F S S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr   Jun »

NEWSLETTER

View today’s newsletter

To receive our latest news in the form of a daily email, enter your details here:

DONATE

SOCIAL LINKS

Free Speech Union

NEWSLETTER

View today’s newsletter

To receive our latest news in the form of a daily email, enter your details here:

PODCAST

The Sceptic | Episode 68: AI Overhyped and the Green Zealots’ Failed Temperature Predictions

by Richard Eldred
20 February 2026
1

DONATE

LISTED ARTICLES

  • Most Read
  • Most Commented
  • Editor’s Picks

The Metropolitan Police Has Questions to Answer Over the Officer Who Stood Up for Free Speech Surrounded by Angry Muslims

23 February 2026
by Julian Mann

News Round-Up

23 February 2026
by Richard Eldred

The Ritual Punishment of Sir Jim Ratcliffe Proves He Was Correct to Say Britain Has Been Colonised – by a Traitorous White Colonial Governing Class

23 February 2026
by Steven Tucker

Long Covid: A Disease in Search of a Diagnosis

23 February 2026
by Dr Roger Watson

Nottingham Killer Was Not Sectioned “Because He Was Black”

23 February 2026
by Will Jones

The Metropolitan Police Has Questions to Answer Over the Officer Who Stood Up for Free Speech Surrounded by Angry Muslims

29

Dale Vince Slams Heat Pumps as Overhyped and Mis-Sold

33

Net Zero Blamed as British Factories Pay Nearly Twice as Much as France for Electricity

16

Nottingham Killer Was Not Sectioned “Because He Was Black”

15

The Ritual Punishment of Sir Jim Ratcliffe Proves He Was Correct to Say Britain Has Been Colonised – by a Traitorous White Colonial Governing Class

12

Labour is Taking Too Long Over SEND Reform

23 February 2026
by Mary Gilleece

The Metropolitan Police Has Questions to Answer Over the Officer Who Stood Up for Free Speech Surrounded by Angry Muslims

23 February 2026
by Julian Mann

Long Covid: A Disease in Search of a Diagnosis

23 February 2026
by Dr Roger Watson

The Ritual Punishment of Sir Jim Ratcliffe Proves He Was Correct to Say Britain Has Been Colonised – by a Traitorous White Colonial Governing Class

23 February 2026
by Steven Tucker

Are More Britons Dying From Cold Weather Thanks to Covid and Lockdowns?

22 February 2026
by Sallust

POSTS BY DATE

May 2020
M T W T F S S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr   Jun »

POSTS BY DATE

May 2020
M T W T F S S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr   Jun »

SOCIAL LINKS

Free Speech Union
  • Home
  • About us
  • Donate
  • Privacy Policy

Facebook

  • X

Instagram

RSS

Subscribe to our newsletter

© Skeptics Ltd.

Welcome Back!

Login to your account below

Forgotten Password? Sign Up

Create New Account!

Fill the forms below to register

All fields are required. Log In

Retrieve your password

Please enter your username or email address to reset your password.

Log In
No Result
View All Result
  • Articles
  • About
  • Archive
    • ARCHIVE
    • NEWS ROUND-UPS
  • Podcasts
  • Newsletter
  • Premium
  • Donate
  • Log In

© Skeptics Ltd.

wpDiscuz
You are going to send email to

Move Comment