Anti-Mask Rally in Hyde Park
The Mail headline was “‘I will be not be masked, tested, tracked or poisoned’: Hundreds of anti-mask activists march on London’s Hyde Park to protest the mandatory use of face coverings in shops from Thursday”, but judging from a reader who attended yesterday’s rally there were no more than 250 there. It was organised by Keep Britain Free, Simon Dolan’s fledgeling political organisation, but Dolan himself wasn’t there. However, James Delingpole was and I will get a full download from him on the next episode of London Calling, mine and James’s weekly podcast, available later today.
We’re All Thought Criminals Now
In my latest column for Spectator USA, I pay tribute to the people who’ve been ringing the alarm bells about cancel culture in America, including the 153 signatories of the Harper’s letter, and Bari Weiss, who recently resigned from the New York Times. (You can read the Harper’s letter here and Bari’s resignation letter here.) And I wrote this before the conservative columnist Andrew Sullivan was sacked by New York magazine. (You can read his farewell here.)
The Social Justice Left has, of course, rejected the suggestion that it has cancelled, or tried to cancel, any of its critics. How dare they?!? Pankaj Mishra, the Indian essayist, wrote a riposte in Bloomberg Opinion, arguing that the “privileges” of the whistleblowers invalidated their complaints.
Could it be that increasingly diverse voices and rich conversations are a threat to their free speech — more accurately, the prerogative of famous and powerful people to speak at length on all sorts of things without interruption or disagreement?
This is a standard counter-argument, but it’s an easy one to rebut. The Harper’s letter writers weren’t complaining about their own speech rights being endangered… but those of nonconformists in general. They were using their platform to highlight a problem afflicting people less well protected than they, particularly in the media, the academy and the arts. “Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes,” they wrote.
The other counter-argument, this one a bit more sophisticated, is that these public defenestrations aren’t an assault on the norms of a liberal society; rather, they’re an example of democracy in action. When the storm troopers of the left mobilise to get someone fired, they’re exercising their right to free speech. If the person does end up losing their livelihood, that’s just an example of them being held accountable for their views.
There are numerous problems with that position. First, the justice being meted out to these thought criminals is mob justice, with little or no due process. If someone is accused of being racist or transphobic, their employer rarely gives them a chance to defend themselves. Second, being held accountable often involves more than just losing your job. Was Professor Allison Stanger, who tried to prevent Charles Murray being no-platformed at Middlebury College and ended up in the emergency room, being held accountable? And third, canceling someone for having the wrong opinions, even if it just involves publicly shaming them, is not within the acceptable boundaries of conventional liberal discourse, however you dress it up. It stifles dissent, shuts down conversations and creates a climate of self-censorship.
I end by revealing that I’m setting up a US branch of the Free Speech Union – which is clearly much needed – and urge anyone who want to get involved to contact me here.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
No time for a proper update today, but here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours (and a special thanks to Mitesh Kariah who has been tirelessly flagging up stories for me for months):
- ‘Why coronavirus deaths remain low in the US despite surge in new cases‘ – Dr Joseph Varon, a doctor in Texas, reports that 95% of the patients who end up in ICU at his hospital walk out again
- ‘Terrifying new coronavirus cluster emerges in New South Wales‘ – How terrifying? Turns out, there have being eight – yes, eight – new cases clustered around the Batemans Bay Soldiers Club. No hospitalisations, let alone deaths. Terrifying? Let’s hope the journalist who wrote this story doesn’t encounter a spider in his bath
- ‘Montreal police tackle and arrest man in Tim Hortons for not wearing a mask‘ – Those tough Canadian police officers don’t flinch in the face of danger, even if it’s masked, reports the Post-Millennial
- ‘Nordic Study Suggests Open Schools Don’t Spread Virus Much‘ – Do we need another study to prove this? It’s now an uncontested fact, surely?
- ‘Sorry Oregon, your mask is useless (according to the science)‘ – Round-up of the lack of scientific evidence that face coverings in non-healthcare settings reduce viral transmission
- ‘The worst is yet to come for ailing restaurants‘ – Depressing piece by Sarah Meddings in the Sunday Times
- ‘Universities face “wipeout” if Beijing bans students‘ – 120,000 Chinese students pay full fees to attend British universities, contributing £1.7bn to their coffers. But this autumn they may not be allowed to come
- ‘Work’s running dry as 484 people apply for two precious pub vacancies‘ – Front page story in the Sunday Times, indicating the extent of unemployment caused by the lockdown
- ‘Coronavirus testing unit set up in Hastings Old Town‘ – Horrific story about a military testing centre set up in the centre of Hastings, forcing a local cafe to close
- ‘What is the point of the New York Times?‘ – Good question from Douglas Murray in the Spectator USA
- ‘Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, Government report shows‘ – Telegraph piece about a report by the Department of Health, the Office of National Statistics (ONS), the Government’s Actuary Department and the Home Office which, it says, was published last April. If anyone can send me a link to the report I’d be grateful
- ‘NYC’s COVID-19 contact tracing will ask about outdoor dining, not protests‘ – Incredibly, New York’s contact tracers have been instructed not to ask people whether they attended a BLM protest
- ‘Beware the unholy alliance that wants to make working from home the norm‘ – Good piece by the Telegraph‘s Tom Welsh about the misery of working from home if you’re a singleton in your 20s or 30s
- ‘Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data: An Update‘ – I posted this summary of the evidence a few days ago, but it’s now been updated – and the authors are sticking to their guns
- ‘Millions of Britons should be taking “sunshine nutrient” vitamin D‘ – Not long ago, vitamin D was derided as a quack cure for COVID-19, with anyone recommending it accused of purveying “fake news”. Now, it’s been endorsed by Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK’s Chief Scientific Advisor
Theme Tune Suggestions by Readers
Only one today: “No Hope” by the Vaccines.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Note to the Good Folks Below the Line
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Gone Fishin’
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Salem 2.0
I thought I’d give my readers something to chew on while I’m on holiday: Salem 2.0: The Return of the Religious Police to the Public Square. This is a book about cancel culture that I’ve been working on for a while now, but which took a back seat during the coronavirus crisis. Hoping to get back to it as the crisis recedes – although that’s happening more slowly than any of us hoped. It’s a work in progress, so don’t expect too much.
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I think this woman should be cancelled as she is clearly not apologetic about her slave-owner ancestor:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53444752
“About 1.5 million Igbo slaves were shipped across the Atlantic Ocean between the 15th and 19th Centuries.”
Long before the 15th century there was an active trade in slaves in East Africa with Arab traders. This trade started in the Middle Ages and continued into the 20th century. White slaves were also sold in the premodern slave markets of the Middle East, India, North Africa, Constantinople, and elsewhere. Most of these white slaves were Slavs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe#Slave_trade
Seems the New York Times needs cancelling itself as, according to the New York Post, the family of its founder owned slaves (18/7/20 sorry, can’t do links from s phone).
Suggestion for Covid theme song
‘It’s All Over Now baby blue.’
John Newton composer of ‘Amazing Grace’ was a former slave trader. Being himself enslaved by Princess Peye of the Shebro of Sierra Leone may have helped reform his ideas.
Are the BLM movement and apologists going to claim compensation from her? Surprises me that the BBC actual admit that the africans were responsible for creating the slave trade. Noted however that the huge diagram only refers to slave movements from africa to the americas. Doesnt mention any slave movements internally within africa of from africa to the arab areas . Coincidentally, C4 news had a piece on black/people of colour (delete as necessary) relocating from USA to Ghana (going back to my roots) because there is no racism there. Really? The African states have such a recent history of brotherly love
Rwanda.
Typical BBC BS in the box at the end
No mention of RN West Africa Squadron (incl. HMS Black Joke) expending blood and treasure from 1808 to supress the slave trade.
“including the 153 signatories of the Harper’s letter, and Bari Weiss, who recently resigned from the New York Times. (You can read the Harper’s letter here and Bari’s resignation letter here.)”
Sorry, Toby, you’ve been had by Bari Weiss.
She has spent her whole career “canceling” others, starting when she was in college and attempted to get professors tossed out whom she and her pals didn’t approve of.
Please inform yourself—check out her canceling record— before you make a heroine of some kind of Bari Weiss.
I do hope that you are not in favor of shooting peaceful protesters in Gaza, including young female medics, children, and unarmed youths, as is Bari Weiss. It would be a huge disappointment if that were the case–if you were a supporter of the apartheid state of Israel, as is Bari Weiss.
Most likely Weiss’s exit from the NYT is a strategic move of some kind, as dissected here:
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/07/17/did-neocon-cancel-queen-stage-nyt-exit-to-fuel-her-next-move/
Don’t know the particulars of this case but there are lots of these ex cancellers becoming anti cancellers. We really need a sincere mea culpa from them accepting that they should have supported the Voltairian Principle all along.
If you want a laff break, watch This—Weiss is a car wreck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpurFfcSNfU
Jimmy Dore (a comedian with a politcal show) takes her apart here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/d4mysi/jimmy_dore_humiliates_bari_weiss_for_badly/
Dore’s a dumb Trumpophobe as I recall. I don’t give much time. Seems to follow a Russia Today kind of narrative.
Hmm, sounds l like you think there are some smart Trumpophobes!
I don’t think you are right, though, regarding Dore qua Trumpophobe.
Dore has it in for the whole political establishment. Dore lambasted the Russiagate fabrication.
Can be quite funny, sometimes tedious.
Anyhow, this is about Bari Weiss, not Dore.
Misdirection?
If i lived next door to the monsters that run Gaza i don’t think i’d be inviting them round for tea but i guess like all anti Israel you live nowhere fucking near the clitoris cutting monsters that run Gaza.
you approve of foreskin cutting monsters then?
He wrote the reverse of that!
Whoosh!
he did?
I think I’ve lost my mind some days with everything that’s going on right now
People are allowed to grow up! And change, and learn, and evolve. By that standard I should be cancelled for stupid views I held as a student, and if that was the standard we most certainly wouldn’t have heard of Toby Young. The problem with wokeness if there’s no redemption, it’s like the Spanish Inquisition, your only option is the dunking stool or the rack.
Self certify as not having to wear a face nappy…. job done.
Simple as that.
Dunno why that is not a headline for Friday.
Self Certify as Exempt.
It stops on Friday if enough people SELF CERTIFY AS EXEMPT
Hi Ryan how do you mean self certify?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#exemptions-to-wearing-a-face-covering-where-they-are-mandated
5. Exemptions to wearing a face covering where they are mandated
if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
Wearing a face nappy will cause me severe distress.
Prove otherwise.
Put one on, collapse on the floor, get the manager of M§S or Tesco to call you an ambulance.
500 folk did that and it would stop in 24 hours.
I tried one and it caused me severe distress. I will deffo use that.
You just have to tell them you have a medical condition that is none of their business and you do not need a doctors note; should they then refuse you entry you could try calling ‘Disability Discrimination’.
It will work for me since at some point in the legal process I will show my medical record which includes COPD and asthma (not that it affects me much as yet).
I had to wear a muzzle to be allowed to have an MRI at a private hospital (that the NHS wanted doing) and wasn’t allowed to remove it the entire time. They made the MRI procedure even more claustrophobic
I bet it did. Having a MRI is pretty nasty anyway. Masked up, I bet it was really horrible.
I had a CT scan last week, and am a frequent flier in hospitals.
It is the one situation in which I don’t make a fuss about wearing a mask, since the poor bloody infantry have to wear them all the time – and there is *some* rationale.. But I have sat next to a brother Old Fart who, despite severe COPD was wearing a mask!
One thing is proven beyond doubt, however : they are extremely uncomfortable and undoubtedly inhibit natural airflow (since when is that a good idea except in exceptional circumstances). For wearers of glasses, it’s even more inconvenient.
The counter-argument I heard this morning is that it’s ‘to make people feel more comfortable’. As if it’s a good idea to confirm delusionary and anti-social behaviour!
No doubt solid citizens of the Third Reich felt ‘more comfortable’ when Jewish neighbours were taken elsewhere?
Yes, even as the Jewish people felt more comfortable wearing the yellow star – for the protection of others in the Third Reich you understand.
Well, it doesn’t make me feel comfortable, nor MOH, or a lot of other people.
If that’s the best argument they come up with, it’s a pretty poor one.
Funnily enough I was thinking along the same lines! Spot on Ryan!
DavidC
They definitely cause me severe distress, even seeing others in them causes me distress.
For the past several weeks in Montreal I have noticed more and more motorists wearing masks in cars, trucks, vans, ambulances, etc. Last year at this time these same people would have been flagged by the police and be told to pull over and most likely would have received a ticket.
I don’t think they ever thought what would happen if they passed out due to hypoxia or hypercapnia.
Didn’t the earlier version of the regs have a specific exemption for asthma sufferers? That seems to have quietly been removed.
It’s become much more general now as even the likes of the British Heart Foundation has recommended that those with heart problems or had undergone a procedure should not be wearing muzzles.
I didn’t have a heart problem but if I come through this current horror show I almost certainly will have. The stress has made my hair start to grow grey. I am constantly in fight or flight mode 24/7. I go to sleep with my heart pounding and wake up with my heart pounding.
Interacting with the PPE clad maniacs out there and dealing with the mental rules causes my extreme stress.
I won’t be surprised if stress has gone up the roof. Where I work reopens this Thursday and to be honest, I’ve not been sleeping well because despite the fact that I know we won’t be swamped with visitors, its the OTT “safety” procedures we have to follow that’s doing my head in. Not to mention the potential of being snitched on by some colleagues to management.
I think that there is little doubt that now, the ancillary consequences of Lock-Up and other measures are causing far more damage in many ways than anything done by this mild and selective infection.
That true although I seriously doubt if my Rip van Winkle colleagues are aware of this development. I have been for a long time now and yet everytime I mention this I always get the plaintive “but what about the second wave?” question
spot on….me too. It’s bad enough that I have to wear them for certain aspects of my job…but I’ve done my bit and carried on….but this ridiculous lunacy has to stop! I’ve got myself a badge and lanyard to say I’m exempt and they can go f*** themselves!
same here.
honestly feels like they might be feeding off all this fear and anxiety as mad as that sounds
Do you have a link to that advice? I’ve had a look on the BHF website and they just quote the government guidelines.
Tried looking for it, its possible that they changed it under pressure from certain quarters.
However someone else here posted a video from a Canadian doctor who does clearly mention those with heart problems should not wear them.
Might be mentioning that there are two relevant clauses in this pile if garbage :
I guess that many stores will not want to get the jackboots on : they’re under no compulsion to do so, and even so, we should be sympathetic to any staff member who gets trapped by the stupidity of all this nonsense.
That said – my first move will be to simply state that I’m exempt under both of those clauses. Which is true.
Should that be questioned, I am quite happy to demonstrate why. Graphically.
And don’t forget this too:
https://www.carolinestephens.net/post/the-mask
Great link thanks. Clearly set out
I think there’s a video too but this one is great as you said clearly set out plus jargon free and not patronising.
I’m not sure it’s actually accurate though.
It’s not – mask wearing is mandated by statute, not guidelines. The line to take on masks is that you’re exempt on health grounds (restrictions to breathing, distress, anxiety, etc).
Thanks for answering that. I asked that question here yesterday. It is statute and not guideline?
Great link! Thanks.
Buy the lanyard off Amazon if you can’t be bothered to discuss it with the sanctimonious idiots. Flash it in their faces with a smug smirk if challenged 🙂
I will just tell them I disagree with the government and now is the time to rise up against it.
Does Asperger’s syndrome count as a medical exemption. And has anyone ever seen Greta wearing a mask?
The rules are sufficiently vague that virtually anything could count as a medical exemption as long as you say it does. Someone said that asthma seems to have been dropped – it hasn’t – it’s there under physical impairment.
If you can still access the Bloomberg Opinion page with Pankaj Mishra, the article just below was written by Michael Bloomberg, trashing Trump’s handling of the CDC. I started reading it but was blocked by a message telling me that I had reached my limit.
All you have to say on Friday if challenged is ” I am exempt for a medical reason ”
You don’t have to give the reason to anyone as it is confidential .
If you wish to tell someone you can say it causes you severe distress. You can give them some story of post traumatic syndrome from childhood. Don’t give any further information.
Before March 2020 we lived in a free country , now we live in a medical directed authoritarian state
I think my distress is genuine but wouldn’t anyone who knew about the negative health effects of masks be distressed?
A crucial point.
Remember – this measure reverses both medical ethics and the normal basis of risk assessment.
i.e It is corrupt.
I will just tell them I disagree with the government and now is the time to rise up against it.
That is what I would like to do, I
m not sure Ill be brave enough though. Maybe if I dont have my children in tow, otherwise I will probably avoid all confrontation. Our town fbook page users have been talking about how they will take photos of people not wearing them and post the pictures to publicly shame them..this fills me with horror. I dont wish to collaborate with all this nonsense though.Don’t believe anything you read on Facebook. It is patrolled by 77th Brigade and 13th Signals to whip up the fear porn.
Don’t worry about them. They are setting themselves up to be threatened with two things:
They should be really thinking hard because I don’t think they will be feeling so self-righteous if they got beaten up or taken to the cleaners and having to pay a huge compensation.
Which town isn’t that?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-53462514
And the readership of the Grauniad and the Daily Mail think plod will be attending every incidence of non mask wearing on Friday.
Deluded on so many different levels.
Toby, thank you for the update yet again, you are a machine!
I’m sure the good people below the line would not begrudge you a few days off away from posting, you’ve provided an exceptional space here for a thriving, self-sufficient community of sceptics who I’m sure are all toasting your good health as you enjoy some quality time with the family.
Again, thank you for all that you do for us. Now recharge those batteries and return to the battlefield fighting fit!
Scotty. I agree that we here are all very, very grateful for the exceptional work that Toby et al does every day on our behalf. But I am becoming increasingly despondent that the mounting mountain of evidence that we see is having zero effect on anyone in government/MSM. They just keep on churning out the Covid deception on a daily basis. Can anyone give me just a tad of reassurance that things will change anytime soon….please?
Things will turn, with a vengeance against those who have done this. When you look at what people have done in the past to fight for and establish the freedoms which, until a few weeks. ago, we all took for granted as being immutable, we really aren’t up against much are we? We really don’t have to endure that much in comparison. There’s someone who posts on here calling themselves John Lilburne (haven’t seen them for a bit). Many people may not realise that there was a seventeenth-century John Lilburne. Have a brief read about his life and see what he went through, and others of his era (John Eliot is a favourite of mine). And the Eliots and Lilburnes went on struggling for years and years, both probably being brought to an early grave by what they went through. Were John Lilburne alive today he’d plonk himself at the doorway of any supermarket which wouldn’t allow non-muzzle-wearers in and go on hunger strike until they did, and think little of it. I know what we are seeing now is depressing, and it’s depressing to think that on Friday I have to make a point of going to a shop… Read more »
Yes, it’s just my way of putting this all in perspective. I’m not a confrontational person, and I agree with the rule of law – but this is all too much. Every time I wonder whether it’s worth the hassle of fighting against this garbage (not very often) I think back to those people. My posts are usually me thinking aloud, debating things with myself as it were. Like you, I’m astonished and depressed that my fellow citizens appear to have have pretty well swallowed this pile of crap all the way. But then again they’ve been force-fed it by the MSM and almost every politician. That’s why for me this doesn’t end with the end of covid measures – the MSM and our whole system must be sorted. I’m still depressed that more people can’t see through it though – although maybe increasing numbers can, and we just don’t see it yet. As regards being brandished a murderer, well it it was only a few weeks ago that we were being called the same for being lockdown deniers and saying that to avoid the disease people should get outside in the fresh air and daylight. ‘You’re killing people’ was… Read more »
And then what? Compulsory confiscation and euthanasia of our pets? After all they ‘might’ transmit this ‘disease’ for which the evidence is fast disappearing. This fiasco become more terrifying g by the day.
A govt spokeslady was on R4 Today saying just that, at the end of an item about various vaccines being trialled, the interviewer asked about the third of the population said to be against vaccination she replied the current regulations would stay in place until they did. Just as predicted 6-7 weeks ago.
I heard that interview – ominous sounding in places, especially as at one point Justin Webb appeared to be pushing compulsory vaccination.
But I did laugh at the bit where she admitted that it wouldn’t be possible to test the vaccine in he UK because there wasn’t enough covid around.
That was no lady, that was a govt spokes creature.
On Liberty is my bible
Didn’t know about J S Mill – just googled him. There were hundreds and thousands of such people in the past to whom we owe so much – it leaves me feeling very humble. Seems a shame to throw it all away …
Fahrenheit 451.
We won’t, we mustn’t.
I got branded a murderer on local Facebook for handing out anti covid psy-op leaflets. The muppets were saying we should get charged with MANSLAUGHTER.
Did you reply by telling them, if this is now the legal definition for manslaughter, then they will also be responsible for manslaughter for the infections they’ve had in the past such as measles, mumps, flu, streptococcus, common cold viruses, all diseases that they would’ve had over the years and passed on which somewhere down the chain would lead to someone dying.
Also, have they ever brought shares or do they have a pension? As it likely they have shares it companies that operate dubious practices or deal with countries that dodgy human rights records and persecute citizens or fund terrorism.
Then there is banking, virtually all banks provide money to buy and sell arms, so if you bank with them you are complicit in manslaughter in this way.
Their logic does not stand up.
Guilt by association is now entirely acceptable.
Freedom of association however, is not.
Buying or selling arms does not necessarily lead to manslaughter. It is the uses to which arms are put that might. 🙂
Only replying as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment, and because you signed off mentioning logic. 🙂
The 2nd amendment was drafted in case there was a need to to fight against resurgent tyranny, or defend your property from attack. It wasn’t envisaged it would give people the right to amass an armoury of automatic assault weapons.
Tish and piffle, Bella. Can you really see a benefit in proposing people should be armed, but less well-armed than the tyrants ?
Mrs TJN was regularly accused of ‘killing people’ for saying on other platforms that we should all ignore the official advice and get outside in the sunlight.
I can’t even deal with morons like that. They aren’t worth arguing with. Part of Mrs TJN does however seem to find them amusing.
I received an official letter from my social housing unit (HLM) administration in the final days of April, 2020. The letter accused me of letting strangers in my building, thereby endangering the lives of all the residents living in it, including myself. The following day the OMHM agent who wrote the letter (masked) knocked on my door. He was accompanied by a policewoman (unmasked). They repeated the same accusation to my face. Basically, they were accusing me of manslaughter. Right?
Conspiracy to commit manslaughter (yes, I know that’s not a thing).
I can’t decide whether it’s comforting or discomfiting to hear that the little stasi informants are active in Canada and not just the UK
It is definitely discomfiting. Some of the people here are really enthusiastic about it, starting with the Premier of Quebec. Frightening.
If they think you’re guilty of manslaughter, what do they have to say about Public Health England, who told hospitals to discharge patients to care homes, and killed residents tgere?
Or the cancer, stroke, heart attack victims who have died because of no treatment y the NHS?
Early on LS Toby published a study by a psychologist (I think) that made it clear that you cannot argue with these people. The more facts you give them, the more resolute they become in their views.
Instead of providing facts maybe some of the following could assist.
They’ve been deliberately hypnotised into extreme fear. Love is the cure, in whichever way one is able to manifest it.
Humour’s great. Facts and questions can help, if they start the discussion. Otherwise I stick to generalities such as “It’s all bollocks, this xxyyzz, isn’t it ?”.
I think that’s the problem. You try to reason with someone and its always the same old tropes being trotted out – “what about the second wave?”, “what about infections?”, “you won’t be so sure when you’re inside the ventilator”, yadda, yadda
And its no better with the muzzles because they will try to guilt trip you and brand you for being uncaring and not concerned about the “safety” of others.
They are not really ‘worthy opponents’. But we do need to repair them, somehow.
Agree. However I sometimes think that they need to be hit by a reality check themselves like a redundancy or tax raid or know someone who ends up in a bad way because of delayed or postponed screening or treatment for the likes of cancer. If our warnings won’t wake them up perhaps being hit on the pocket or stomach or health wise will.
Well disarm them by saying they are right, you absolutely don’t give a shit about anyone else. And when they get in their car (doesn’t matter if you have one or not) shout that they don’t either, otherwise they wouldn’t be driving.
Gives you five days to change the prospect of not wearing a mask on Friday from depressing to something else, TJN. 🙂
Exciting, liberating, rebellious, honest, sensible, helpful to others, necessary, a good example, etc. etc.
I’ll pop to the local supermarkets unmasked on Friday, and the prospect does cause butterflies in the stomach sometimes. But compared to some previous challenges such as defying the Sheriff of Nottingham, beheading our monarch, creating the Bill of Rights, and defeating Hitler, I think we can cope. 🙂 🙂
Yes, pretty well my thoughts exactly. I’ve got other things to be doing in my life aside from dealing with this shit, but this takes priority right now. I’m actually looking forward to it.
Of your adjectives, honest is about the closest to my feelings about it. Or at least not being a coward.
As you say, I’m sure we can cope.
Thank you John, for those words. I oscillate between defiance and fear of seeing so many masked drones, which is making me feel physically sick. Nothing compared to those young boys who were told they were dying for our freedoms. We must not let them down.
TJN, you’ve really put it into persepctive. I’ve been dreading having a battle but it’s nothing to what those young men and boys did for us in two dreadful wars. Youve really encouraged me to brave it out, thank you.
It’s a question that the thought of not having the battle is far, far worse for me than facing up.
Thanks for your thanks! Perspective is everything, and difficult when you’re close up as we all are. Looking back into history is a good way of gaining perspective and identifying principles.
I think the worst thing is facing everyone else with masks. I went into a local hotel the other day that I used quite a lot before lockdown – great for coffee. Been using it for years so I know most of the staff. Apart from the young Chinese girl (obvious even with a mask) I didn’t recognise any of them because they were all masked up. These were all people I could refer to by name in March. It was embarrassing having to ask them who they were. (Addendum: I didn’t buy anything in there, told them I wouldn’t on a point of principle. Just went in there because I wanted to see the lie of the land.)
‘Ghoulish’ is the word that occurs to me.
You could do worse than equate this’ crap fest’ with historical struggles. Lilburne had very few allies as do most agitators at the beginning. (Very few people want to rock the boat.) People won’t join you unless they think they can win. We’re at the beginning of this, what happens when the loss of GDP takes its toll? In the last ten years UK economy has grown by 1.5% – 2% a year. In April alone this year GDP fell by over 20% (in one month!) So I wouldn’t underestimate this ‘crapfest’. No healthy lawful person in Lilburne’s early protesting was ordered to stay at home, told what to wear (muzzles) or who they could have sex with. No theatres or pubs were closed before the Civil War. And although he was a Puritan he came to see them as tyrants because he believed in ‘freedom.’ Come October, if not earlier, that is what we could be fighting for, if we are brave enough. Before our very eyes our civil liberties are being dissolved. Are we going to wait until they force us into orange jump suits before we do anything?
An astute post I think, with lots of important points – especially about Lilburne starting out largely alone.
Interestingly, he became a Quaker later on.
Before we get to orange jump suits I reckon we’ll be issued with different colour muzzles to identify our status in the New Normal.
Quite simply, they think (if you can call it that) “This is what we have to do.” No question, no consideration.
Brainwashed.
(Them, not you Sam). 🙂
The three points in your last para are the truth, and would be the view of any sane person.
I think most of them are too stupid to realise. I wonder if they’ve been infected with something that has completely destroyed their ability to apply critical thinking or judgement.
Critical thinking: Cognitive biases seem to have been in play very strongly, especially, the zero risk bias, and the regret aversion bias.
Also the Sunken Cost Fallacy as well as Commitment and Consistency, a really powerful one. Often called the Car Salesman Situation.
Don’t know who said it but it seems to be a case of “less of the critical thinking, more of the obedient servant”
I certainly agree with your last point, Steven. I spent an hour on the ‘phone to a friend this weekend feeding her information about PCR tests, numbers, death registrations by PHE and collateral damage. Her only response was to ask “Well, what about what doctors in ICUs were saying?” She is intelligent and well educated but seemed to be shocked when I said that I expected deaths as a result of lockdown to be far, far worse than Covid numbers.
Don’t forget that we call it lockdown but the MSM still call it covid.
Until the real cause of the deaths and unemployment is labelled properly, many will remain convinced we’re in the middle of a terrible pandemic, rather than a disastrous lockdown.
I agree sprcifically about ICU footage being shown affected people. Quite often the ICU footage looked dramatic but when looked at dispassionately it looked false or staged. Whether it was or it wasn’t the sense of dread such reports were designed to generate did not work on me. Perhaps it was because I found the reports manipulative and unreal looking I responded with contempt for the channels that broadcast such reports. I never watch hospital drama so perhaps missed all the queues of reality I was to pick up the dread from. I found ICU reports equally to the staged speech made by one NHS nurse being clapped out of hospital after weeks herself in ICU as a patient. That was scripted. Via social media I certainly saw faked footage of an pop up hospital with lots of actors on beds in a giant hall. No medics just a conference hall full of people writhing in bed. Took a lot to arrange that footage but did not show people suffocating or suffering from any symptoms such as a cough. The timing of this footage was just before nighting gales announced. I believe it was from alleged to have been in… Read more »
Such footage cannot have been recent, all the local hospitals send covid cases to the main one here; last week they had 1 patient, down from 80 at Easter.
The only scary story the beeb could come up with today was an outbreak of SEVEN cases in a Scottish call centre ironically being used for Track’n’Trace.
The “nightingale” field hospitals were all about a photo opportunity. They were a global phenomenon. One of the main tools to re-enforce the fear narrative. Nothing more.
So maybe they never existed? Just the one photographed from different angles and sent out via reuters or the PA?
no they did build them. EVERYBODY did, all over the world.
It’s not called the ‘idiot box’ for nothing. 🙂
Late night ‘win’ here. A message came in from a relative – good nes for you, it said, you are right about masks they are no use. This is after much examination by tgem and family conversatiin with others who are brainwashed. One brain did manage to throw off the lies, others can do it.
What you don’t put in the equation is the millions been paid fully in the case of Public Sector to sit at home and work (or maybe not work). Going back to the workplace would make then worse of in travel costs etc. Yes they will willingly take as long as can be milked off, thank you.
Job losses, bankruptcies, repossessions, undiagnosed and untreated illnesses will soon become the focus of public concern. I wouldn’t be surprised if Boris ends up responsible for as many lost lives as Tony Blair. Perhaps he could think about this and change direction.
And don’t forget an increase in mental illness and suicides especially due to what you’ve just mentioned. One of my colleagues has a neighbour who has mental health issues and just recently has disappeared from her flat. The police and her case worker were contacted and have launched a search for her but she hasn’t been found. They are now fearing for the worst.
One ouf our family members is STILL detained under the mental health act. Sectioned. She had a good job she was doing well pre-lockdown. The lockdown made her go totally psychotic.
That neighbour used to take her meds and they did work but my colleague speculated that the lockdown has made her condition worse to the point that she stopped taking her medication and became progressively paranoid and depressed as the lockdown went on. I think that fact that its nearly 4 months now has pushed her over the edge.
He doesn’t appear to be thinking about it and he’s not going to change direction now – he’s already moved on to the next event (Brexit?) – don’t forget none of us actually know unless there’s a close friend of his lurking here to correct me – but he doesn’t come across as empathetic or concerned about the millions of lives that are going to be so much poorer in so many ways for ever. It’s so depressing to think that he’s in charge (or is he?)
That will certainly be a phase of their de-hypnosisisation. 🙂
Don’t become despondent! There are increasing numbers of us gaining momentum and we need to press on.
The fact that the Mail hyperbolically claimed that “hundreds” of people turned out for the the anti-mask demo yesterday will make a few more think and question.
Drip, drip, drip.
Or it’s a truth too dreadful to contemplate?
Same here. It`s incredibly depressing.
I’m afraid that – like the homeopathic principle – it’s going to get worse before it gets better. I have yet to see anyone change their mind and say the measures taken were a bad idea after all. And by the time people realise what is going on they would have relinquished all their power.
I second that!
Just finished reading the whole Commentary from CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota—very respected American source).
It is brilliant. So glad these people are sticking to their guns. I have linked in our local comments page and told the mask bullies to stop it now. We’ll see what happens!
Your crush on the dimwit and intellectual midget Bari Weiss is forgiven . . .
‘Terrifying? Let’s hope the journalist who wrote this story doesn’t encounter a spider in his bath.’
That had me spilling my tea with laughter.
If masks are so important why is our UK Government and the devolved governments not buying and distributing them to all?
Billions spent already. PCR tests at £200 each, vaccine at £400 each, crap-track app at £X billion but our government isn’t settng up free mask distribution. Why not?
Our government leaves up to us to use cotton, wool, or dust masks. All in an effort, they say, will stop us killing a granny.
If this situation is all that they say it is, the Governments would be issuing masks to our country.
By their own rules it is criminal neglect to leave us to use poor quality face coverings when life is at stake.
Engineering firms mobilised themselves for ventilators before it was widely recognised that ventilators cause harm. A similar effort could easily have been carried out to manufacture the numbers of masks to the correct government quailty – whatever that may be.
Why is your government telling you to wear a mask yet not providing them? They say it is a matter of saving lives after all.
Interesting point!
DavidC
So, if they graciously provided them, we’d be morally bound to wear them?
Be careful what you wish for.
Are they perchance made in China?
Also, don’t forget that our Fascist oppressors know perfectly well that face nappies are useless. They are needed to ‘reassure’ emerging zombies, who evidently find nothing alarming about emerging into a world of faceless shambling mummies.
I’m issued a plastic food bin, it’s used to mix paint. There’s no obligation to wear a suffocating mask.
I think for some there is a strange terrifying quaility to being told you will kill people by not wearing a mask yet been left entirely to your own devices.
Seat Belts! Ok folks you all need to wear seat belt to save lives, of you go and make your own.
Terrifying madness.
Knitted seat belts…
I seriously might don a pair of my underpants over my head to go shopping in.
We use our food bin to store kindling. 🙂 A nice securing handle, and totally watertight.
Yes, precisely – just like When the Wind Blows.
Don’t give them ideas!!
If they really cared, and really wanted to reduce deaths, they would provide all elderly and vulnerable people with the best medical grade masks that actually have some chance of protecting the wearer.
But then the truth about the dangers of mask-wearing would be inescapable.
Yes. I am confortable they don’t care in the least about people.
My thought was that the folk literally stitching together harmful homegrown masks haven’t realised the fatal flaw – if masks mattered their Government would surely provide 95 masks for all, at such a small cost compared to what has been wasted already.
Thanks to you and all for comments its an interesting point.
If the really gave a flying monkey wank about old people they would give them more pension money, pay for good home care, pay for good residential care, encourage a healthy diet and make sure they could afford one. Encourage vitamin supplements and exercise.
They would put in effect policies in place to enhance social interaction with the elderly. They could pay for respite care and health holidays.
All the cash they have spent on this pantomime could have gone a very very very long way to significantly improving the health and well being of everybody, especially the elderly.
However I am sure the goal was to actually KILL as many people as possible to inflate this death stats to make what is a pretty crap and not very dangerous virus look deadly.
The bastards.
See Face Masks Mandated bk UK Govt. Specifically Say They Don’t Protect Against Covid 19, warning on packet
Due to the complexity of the different contexts in which Covid-19 can spread and the rapidly changing and growing evidence base on the effectiveness of face masks and coverings, there are currently no UK product standards for face coverings.
This quote taken from section 7 of the document published 14 July available here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/
Now, considering the masks are supposed to prevent the spread of a virus (which they don’t, but that’s another matter) shouldn’t the UK Government, Public Health England or the NHS be providing correct sanitary disposal for biohazardous waste, or at least be banging on relentlessly about how to use masks, and correctly decontaminate re-usable ones?
Farce.
You cannot make it up. It’s so clear the evidence shows them up at every turn. Every use of logic reveals an issue. Because it is a Farce.
Has there ever been a situation like it with so much directly provable junk across the entire board?
Don’t give them any ideas!
CHARLATAN OF THE CENTURY!
Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, Government report shows
link to report below:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/892030/S0120_Initial_estimates_of_Excess_Deaths_from_COVID-19.pdf
Basically, this is the belated cost versus benefit analysis done by the uk government for lockdown. The imperial / ferguson modelling is without doubt the key to it all. That is, still referencing circa 500k deaths with no action and circa 50k with action (lockdown).
So the utterly flawed modelling of ferguson completely undermined by the actual experience / data for sweden, means 50k deaths was actually just as likely with more limited voluntary social distancing and the full shielding of care homes (science and common sense).
Interestingly, the report does say:
“More targeted measures, such as shielding vulnerable people, will have a large benefit… but only a small negative impact on the economy. Measures that can be targeted are the most desirable by these outcomes.”
In other words, sweden with better shielding of care homes.
Ferguson should therefore be recorded by future historians as the CHARLATAN (W**KER) OF THE CENTURY!
Or to use a 16th century metaphor, burn him at the stake for speaking in tongues!
4% infection fatality rate is the basis for the report. Oh dear!
PHE have the IFR at 100%
So just be thankful that Bozza & Dom didn’t go to them for advice.
They’d have ended up nuking the country.
This report was published in April so we now know the government lockdown was based on flawed advice but the repercussions are devastating.
There’s a lot to wade through in that report.
This is a particularly doozy.
“The average years of life lost for COVID-19 excess deaths are estimated to be 9.1”
How on Earth did they come to that figure?
UK average age of covid victims is what? 79/80.
And that’s not new. We already knew it would be in that ballpark from early figures of Diamond Princess and Northern Italy.
It’s not just that who ever wrote that report was cooking the figures. It’s also that thicko Boris didn’t know or realise that they’d cooked the figures.
The 9.1 years of life lost comes from the average life expectancy of someone who has already made it to 80, rather than at birth. But that would include the majority of 80 year olds who are still healthy and leading a full life. For a fair comparison we should be counting people with the same mix of life threatening and life limiting conditions shared by 95% of people who have died “with” Covid19. I would guess their average age at death is much closer to 80 than it is to 90.
Notwithstanding the argument that attempts to control a virus with a sweeping lockdown are futile, in summary it’s clear they weighed up the expected deaths of lockdown (~150,000) versus the expected worst-case-scenario deaths of not locking down (~500,000).
Some large fraction at least of the lockdown deaths is of course inevitable when you suspend large swathes of healthcare services, so why was this compared with the apocalyptic unlikeliest outcome of the virus?
It’s just an obviously catastrophic failure in cost-benefit analysis and decision making.
How did they pick 150K without knowing how long the lockdown would continue for?
Coronavirus: England’s test and trace programme ‘breaks GDPR data law’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53466471
Too true!
Well that’s not surprising isn’t it? Given that the persona running it had to pay a massive fine for a major security breach that led to customer data being compromised.
Exactly.
My missus has BBC on. I detest the thing. They are salivating for vaccines now and they are making up all these excuses that somehow the vaccines rapidly developed is okay and safe.
On the GDPR question the reporter was saying that the UK department doing Test and Trace assured the regulators that the data collected wasn’t used for any nefarious purpose.
Interesting because that is not sufficient excuse to keep the data under GDPR. A person must be able to have data destroyed.
Do I think this is a NWO conspiracy? Nah I just think it’s greed. This is like the commodities run that happened when MBS failed. Remember when the Philippines had to trace rice for oil? That kind of thing.
Pharma companies making money and people shortcutting things. Tamaflu II.
Where did the Nottingham meet get advertised. I’m Leicester and would have most likely attended
me too
I discovered this website last night. More events coming up. Sheffield every week!
https://www.standupx.info/
Greetings from Navia, Spain! I follow this page as there is almost nothing similar in Spain. In fact, the sheeple of my country are mostly applauding the harshest measures. In my region, with a population of roughly 1 million inhabitants, there are 8 active cases of which only 2 require hospital care. We have to muzzle up everywhere outdoors, with the exception of small villages and on the beach unless there’s too many people (which the police determine). I’m very sad and discouraged by the attitude of my fellow Spaniards, as well as many Brits who live here. It’s heartening to read the column and know I’m not alone.
It’s abundantly clear to anybody with half a brain that the Muzzle Law is nothing more than a compliance test. The Government are watching with a beady eye how readily these draconian edicts are being swallowed by the British public, and this is why it’s so important to engage in acts of defiance.
Wearing a muzzle essentially validates the actions of the state and broadcasts the wearer’s submission to the totalitarian New Abnormal.
The terrifying consequence for sceptics like ourselves is this – once the Government are confident of the numbers, they will have the backing to press on with an even greater assault on our civil liberties. Mandatory Covid vaccines will surely be on the menu early next year.
Those who say otherwise are nothing more than frogs submerged in slowly boiling water.
Vaccination is the end game. Evidence: the rush to develop the leading candidate(s) here, Boris and co’s adulation for Gates/Gavi, the fact that we are ready to go with kits available and pre-ordered vaccine to do the entirety of the UK population. It seems clear to me that the UK population constitutes the Phase 3 trial. Watch the ‘revolving door’ at the end of this year, and follow the money – how many of the protagonists have skin in the game?
Ribbit!
100% agree
At £2.80 for 4, Asda’s Preema disposable face coverings will probably be the go-to purchase for an awful lot of muzzle zealots on Friday. It is on displays at Asda entrances. I do hope they read the blurb before they buy, however:
Not to be used as PPE or for medical purposes.
The product is disposable and not intended for re-use. Please replace the face covering when it is moist.
Used face coverings should be disposed of in the general waste.
Face coverings should be removed by pulling away from the face as the outside may be contaminated. ( but of course, you can still put them in the general waste!)
Wash your hands thoroughly after discarding.
If you have any medical, heart or respiratory conditions, consult your doctor before use. (that’s assuming you can even get an appointment!)
Oh and the final insult.
Country of origin-China!
You couldn’t make it up.
And to think that Asda are going to demand a doctor’s note if you’re going into their store unmuzzled.
The bloody cheek of them.
That will be a problem for ASDA as doctors are being told by the Department for Health and Social Care that they don’t need to supply exemption notes, so doctors are telling people not to ask for them.
Have just been on another site where they were talking about CEBM’s discovery that no one is allowed to recover from Covid. There’s a brilliant comment from “Pat” who asks if people realise that if Bojo got shot tomorrow, he would go down as a Covid death under PHE’s system, as of course would George Floyd.
And Asda will be in for a nasty surprise if a customer decides to take them to court for disability discrimination and breach of privacy laws and GDPR.
That’s a good point and shows how shambolic all of this has been. I’ve twigged from the beginning that the way the deaths being recorded are a sham.
And as I have just posted Face Masks Mandated by UK Govt. Specifically Say They Don’t Protect Against COVID 19, info on packaging
Yesterday I had the task of convincing my son that it was not wise to drive his car while wearing a mask. “Have you thought about the fact that you’re breathing in your own CO2, back into your body?” I said. Mmm. He thought about that then said yes it did seem a bit silly. Might get headaches. He’d already tried shopping wearing a mask and didnt find it at all comfortable. He’s a highly intelligent guy, but seems to be ultra-nervous about this virus. His mother (moi) has a microbiological background and still can’t lift the veil from his eyes.
People are deluded. Some here were talking about this further down. The blindness is massive.
That must be hard to take. Your son being scared of this virus and feeling he has to wear a mask.
Speak roughly to your little boy …
Cuddle him, tell him you love him, and tell him ‘Mother knows best !”.
If that doesn’t work, move on to a slap ! 🙂
Sly News playing up the vaccine story hard this morning. Question, will it be ‘compulsory’? I have in mind that not to participate will render one an ‘Unperson’, unable to participate in society
Accessing nhs health care without having had the vaccine may be quite awkward.
Accessing NHS healthcare is quite awkward for most people at the moment anyway.
You make that sound like a bad thing.
The BBC are also pushing the vaccine story according to mhcp’s comment below. No coincidence. The virus narrative is falling apart at the seams (test kits unreliable, death figures overstated), so attention needs to be switched. The vaccine will not be mandatory, but I am convinced that once enough have received it voluntarily (there will be millions queuing up), digital certification that you have taken the shot will be required to use public transport or enter any commercial premises. The only question is when does the vaccination programme commence?
Coronavirus: England’s test and trace programme ‘breaks GDPR data law’
another own goal
*Shock*
One would think that with a remotely free press, the news of these past few days (dodgy figures, test kits not working, GDPR breaches) that it would be a field attacking the competence of the governments.
Instead we get one or two buried articles.
Notice on breakfast tv this morning that BBC are starting to soften us all up for Friday , A piece on how people in retail and service sectors have been subject to abuse and violence because of them trying to impose social distancing (and all the other rules). Clearly preparing for the abuse that they will get this friday when they try to impose the mask rules…. and how we must therefor be nice little sheeple and do as we are told
I’ve started decorating local lampposts with various stickers. It is important to see visible symbols that we are not alone.
Excellent Tom
Is there a good source for such stickers? I would like to put them up in my locality.
I too would also like to know about stickers.
I feel isolated in my local area and seeing such things might spark some people to think a little.
So, Mr. Modo lives in Royston Vasey *and* has his own notice board? Cool.
Not the newest idea, but you’d think it would convince the bedwetters. This is the government advice, with “face covering” replaced with something more factual:
Do not touch the front of the snot filled rag, or the part of the snot filled rag that has been in contact with your mouth and nose.
Once removed, store reusable snot filled rags in a plastic bag until you have an opportunity to wash them. If the snot filled rag is single use, dispose of it in a residual waste bin. Do not put them in a recycling bin.
Make sure you clean any surfaces the snot filled rag has touched using normal household cleaning products. If eating in a restaurant, for example, it is important that you do not place the snot filled rag on the table.
Wash your snot filled rag regularly and follow the washing instructions for the fabric. You can use your normal detergent. You can wash and dry it with other laundry. You must throw away your snot filled rag if it is damaged.
Or maybe just don’t carry a snot filled rag around?
Yeah, that echoes “Catch it , Bin it, Kill it” for tissues, where you were told to throw the tissue away asap. Now you just keep it fixed to your face. Much easier!
Brought to you by the Ministry of Self-Contradictory Advice.
The irony is tissues are much more effective for the simple reason that we don’t go around wearing them and we bin then after one use.
How no-one has realised this is bizarre.
It’s all well and good having these rules like “don’t touch your face.” But they’re autonomous actions, you have an itch and you scratch it. It takes an enormous amount of will power to stop doing something that you aren’t even conscious of.
That’s right. And with something strange and irritating on your face, there’s no way you will avoid it. But, we’re all going to die, so…
Update As you know this is day two of me venturing out. Went to the newsagents yesterday Things appear to be getting better Only 40 covid deaths in our block of flats overnight. This brings the total for our street to just shy of 1.7million The Council are now asking us to sort our covid corpses before we put them out, and have provided us with coloured bins for that purpose Green Over 65 years Blue Under 65 years Red No underlying health conditions Yellow Not died of covid, but covid on death certificate Get it wrong and the Council will issue a fixed penalty notice. If when the Council collect they discover a covid corpse is in the wrong bin they take it out and dump it in the middle of the road. This creates a terrible mess as they get run over by cars etc Anyway, I’ve volunteered to take on the sorting task (little do they know that I’m selling their now redundant facemasks and Oyster cards on e bay…..keep that to yourself if you can) Despite Council warnings some households are dumping their covid corpses next to the litter bin on the green. They do it… Read more »
Do they take the red bin off you if you don’t use it?
They do, but trust me there ways round it
Very worrying. Looking forward to updates concerning muzzles. Are you related to Kafka?
The answer to that is held in another department, and I’m not at liberty to tell you the location of that
I reckon you have read him. More scary than Orwell I think.
My view is “Do what you like govenment” I will just remove myself and go on strike, I will not be visiting the high street, any shop, be ordering my food on line and then collecting outside, The good thing for me is the wife always likes to shop and wounder around buying this and that, plus eating out from time to time, for once in my life she is fully on my side and that has now ended, more countryside walks BBQ’s friends around and no compulsive buying, friends and family that use to eat out and shop and travel have stopped, stores that become the governments dictators and enforce masks etc will be banned from future visits and sales.
As an Ayn Rand fan, I, my family and friends are fully “Shuggered” ie On strike.:-)
BBC: Govmt. has bought 90 million doses of vaccine… That are still in development.
“A vaccine is widely seen as the best chance of getting our lives back to normal.”
90 million? Why 90?
65 for now and 30 for the ‘second wave’?
25!
Are they just addicted to spending money?
That’s usually it. I used to work for a council, they are mad at it, and you can just scale up for Big Gov.
Failure is the reason, by 30 million doses from each company, as then they’re hoping at least 1 of the 3 is successful so they’ve 30mn for the country.
Because what’s a few million extra pounds between friend? That’ll be the mates rates.
65 million for the known population, and 25 million for the illegal immigrants crossing the channel.
Or maybe the population is 90 million already – judging by the motorways on a friday i wouldn’t be surprised!
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My husband has an autoimmune condition, and he gets the flu jab every year. He received a text from the doctor’s surgery about a month ago, reminding him that he will get his jab in October. Surprising, as he normally gets the text a week or so before appointments are available. This has been in the planning for some time, and it is almost certain that once you are in the doctor’s for your annual flu vaccine – or anything else for that matter – you will be ‘gently’ asked whether you would like the CV vaccine at the same time ‘to save you the trouble of having to come back’.
I’m all for efficiency. So, in the same visit, you can gently ask them to shove it up their arse, “to save me the trouble of doing it for you”.
Quite.
The magic word ‘Pandemic’ triggers the confidential contract apparently.
Kate Bingham, chair of the UK’s Vaccine Taskforce, on the Today programme at 8.10 suggesting we won’t get back to normal unless there is widespread uptake of the vaccine(s). It almost sounded like we might be asked to have more than one of the multitude that are under development. Justin Webb broached the topic of mandated vaccines but she wasn’t to be drawn on that. She is married to Jesse Norman, my MP, and the only one to ask if a cost/benefit analysis had been conducted on the lockdown strategy at that Sage meeting.
I find it scary that this people want everyone to have their new potentially harmful vaccine for a virus that isn’t massively harmful to the majority of people.
One also wonders why they need 90 million doses for a population of 65 million, if they are not intending for everyone to get at least one dose. Her girl’s school headteacher tone made it sound like we’d all been naughty and if we want our privileges back we better take our medicine.
Daughter of the former Lord Bingham, and product of St Paul’s Girls School, what do you expect!
I think they’ve brought 30 million from three pharma company, so as to hedge their bets because most will fail to make it to make it to manufacturing.
I find it even scarier that such an apparently high proportion are willing – even eager – to take it.
none of this makes any sense.
We need to have an investigation into what they are getting out it, ie connection to pharma, however far it stretches
IMF Made Loans to Belarus Conditional on a Lockdown. Lukashenko Turned Them Down”We will not dance to anyone’s tune” was the precise response
https://www.anti-empire.com/imf-demanded-lockdown-as-a-condition-of-loan-to-belarus-lukashenko-turned-it-down/
Explains why a lot of African countries (and others) introduced lockdowns despite very low number of infections. They were FORCED!
You can add the World Bank to the list of international blackmailers. There are probably many more that we don’t yet know.
Have a look at this, while repeating to yourself “Hospitality Industry”…
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1285110748730003457
“it” has to sit down. Do we now refer to disabled children as “it”?
It’s just quicker than “Annoying defective carbon based life form”. For your comfort and safety.
The manager refers to the child as ‘it’
And I used a joke to agree with you… also:
“He’s autistic”… “Doesn’t matter”
Pretty much sinks it!
Watching that makes me feel sick as an autistic adult. I won’t be visiting any Greene King establishments any time soon as I’m clearly not welcome.
Didn’t they do that when they sent a bribe to BLM ?
Sorry, was meant for Bart Simpson’ below.
They did but this incident will accelerate their demise.
I think Greene King has just signed their own death warrant with that.
Yet another idiot enforcing these idiotic rules. Sod them, sod their pubs and restaurants. They were crap anyway.
That’s disgraceful attitude!
This is the best comment:
if She/It wants to live an extra 10 yrs? She should wear her mask at feeding times.
But we won’t see Greene King being ‘cancelled’ for this, will we? Disgusting attitude
Shocking! “Does not matter if your child is autistic, he must sit down”.
Greene King you better apologise quickly – not good business to discriminate against disabled especially if a child.
Something the vast majority seem to overlook is that this is the baseline that has been set for Government control of our lives.
A virus with less than 1% IFR.
Which means just about anything else that comes along in future could mean Lockdowns, mandatory masks and possibly mandatory vaccines.
Basically the general public have said they are willing to accept any preventative measures even if it costs them their life for anything that exceeds this baseline.
As the Manic Street Preachers sang – If you tolerate this then your children will be next
Lok at the ‘Alert Levels’:
L1 can’t happen. L2 will be lied about. So, L3 is the status quo, so we are always one step from enforcement, which would take about, oh say six ‘cases’ being found. Bingo, lockdown.
The false positives alone of the seriously flawed PCR tests will ensure an always sufficient, bogus number of infected to stay in L3. Everywhere.
The reality is we are in Level 2 and will be forever. These levels are a not very thinly disguised herd immunity strategy.
If it was an eradication or containment strategy L2 would need severe intervention, not “minimal social distancing” and tracking and tracing that was actually competent.
I think they are trying to get out of this mess.
The vaccine will probably be ready soon, perhaps in a few months. They’re going ahead with challenge trials and it will be fine (at least in the trials, I hope also when it’s deployed more widely).
The reason vaccines usually take years is waiting for all these trials. They actually designed the vaccine very quickly as it’s similar to others they have done recently. If you accelerate the trials with volunteers who don’t mind being infected you can cut years off.
The vaccine will save a few hundred lives in the UK (depending how you count) over the next year or so. Johnson will claim half a million of course and this will be painful to watch. But it will save many thousands of lives around the world in places that are still behind the UK.
Guy, I know you are closer to this than many of us on here. A genuine question, which, if any of the vaccines currently in various stages of trials, would you feel most confident about giving to those of child-bearing age and younger?
Add, I mean boys and girls.
Why the hell would you give any sort of vaccine to children when they are barely affected by this disease?
Quite. Because the vaccinators and the covid-fear-crowd have been differently brainwashed, is my guess.
don`t risk the toxic slurry. stay well away.
The people participating in the mRNA vaccine trials are advised against engaging in reproductive activities…
Was the reason for this ‘Evolution of the Species’ ?
ChAdOx1, which is the “Oxford” one, which will also probably be the first available. But it’s in a race with a couple of Chinese “inactivated whole virus vaccines”. The big risk with all these vaccines is they make the disease worse (“enhancement”). Vaccines of the Chinese design enhanced for RSV, SARS1, and MERS. They say the monkeys they tried it on were fine, but they had a Th2 dominated response (lots of antibodies but hardly any killer T) which is not an encouraging sign as this seems to fit the pattern of those other vaccines which enhanced. ChAdOx1 works by actually infecting cells (but not replicating) and then getting the cells to make the antigens. This gives a much more balanced response with antibodies and killer T. Vaccines of that design seemed to be OK for RSV and MERS and I think both of those are in trials (certainly the MERS one is). So this seems like a bit of a breakthrough. BUT, this design still enhanced for SARS1, and SARS1 is the closest known relative of SARS2. Add to that nobody really understands fully how or why you get the enhancement which means we also don’t know how valid… Read more »
There is no need for a vaccine if treatments like HCQ work for those who are at risk and if that was established correctly instead of manipulatively dismissed due to conflicts of interest (Oxford). If the vaccines are similarly inefficient as those against the flu, they are just an expensive, additional annual health risk for most people. mRNA/DNA vaccines are a complete unknown with regard to long term side effects/reverse transciptase, some professors (censored, of course Hockertz) even expect a short term death rate of 1% on top of that for them. Standard vaccines are now planned in conjunction with an unproven, or when once used dangerous, adjuvant. All those vaccines development is now rushed, often not even undergoing animal testing for safety. They seem to be ridiculously expensive at the cported cost of £650 dose, and that likely p.a.. Shall we treat for Covid 20, 21, 22ff similarly? If so, we’ll have to get vaccinated two or three times p.a. forever, at annual costs of about £200 billion (1.5x total current NHS budget) for the UK alone, before their respective lockdowns cost. The ethical questions of making it mandatory or not, and whether we should use the elders as… Read more »
If nothing else, the cost question makes me highly doubtful that the vaccine could possibly be mandatory for the entire population.
That’s a chink of sunlight in an otherwise dark and gloomy landscape – thank you !
Just give the magic money tree another shake – job done!
That would be great news!
Flu jabs are pretty useless for the over 65s, so that wouldn’t be valid proof.
Testing on a less vulnerable age group doesn’t give useful info for the vulnerable elderly group.
Conclusion, it’s all pointless.
Agree the treatments (including HCQ) are much better now, but they won’t cure everyone.
I think the problem with flu vaccines is the viruses mutating all the time. Coronaviruses mutate much less but there has never been a successful vaccine before because of enhancement (which nobody really understands). So I think it’s a different set of potential problems.
I don’t expect mRNA vaccines to do anything sinister like rewriting the host DNA like an endogenous retrovirus. But if you have any links explaining this post them here!
They have done animal tests (at least for ChAdOx1 and the leading Chinese candidates). But they were rushed and they all seemed in a bit of a hurry to kill the monkeys after only 7 days (sometimes the enhancement takes longer to appear).
The treatments also cost money mainly because of days in hospital. Vaccination (assuming it worked) would work out cheaper in a country that was far from herd immunity. But probably more expensive in one that wasn’t.
I am also no anti-vaxxer but I think you’re right to be wary of these Covid vaccines.
Looks like a vaccine won’t be necessary after all, although the Telegraph has buried the story agains the news of the Oxford trials. This newly discovered application of ‘Interferon Beta’ MS drug reduced chance of illness in 80% of Covid patients It looks far more promising than a vaccine that will probably have questionable protection. Interesting to read the comments below Celia Walden’s ‘anti-vaxxer’ tirade today were mostly from pro vaxxers questioning the safety of a vaccine that has taken just a few months to produce. They’re not wrong.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/20/coronavirus-treatment-synairgen-hailed-game-changer-trial-results/
I very narrowly escaped death from Guillain–Barré syndrome following a routine vaccination in my teens. I will need an awful lot of persuading to take a rapidly rushed-out vaccine, even if “it will be fine”. Although I mostly recovered from the almost total paralysis, over half a century later I still have breathing difficulties – enough to make mask-wearing extremely unpleasant.
Tish. That is a Ferguson/government/bbc/who level of statement, guy.
Well except they would claim a few hundred thousand lives!
🙂
We are so clearly at ‘2’, which should actually mean ‘no social distancing’ (or any other lifestyle changes). L1 is impossible.
It’s the same BS used with the terror alert system, which is almost always at amber I believe, so they’ve never removed the stupid restrictions on liquids on flights, or ability to detain people without reason etc. Same playbook, they’ve just gone much harder on it now.
Latest figure for England, Scotland Wales and N Ireland is a terrifying total of 726 NEW CASES.
That’s 0.00001084 of the UK population.
= positive tests? How many are false positives?
Problem is the youngsters will be so brain washed they will expect lockdowns to be the normal. You see them in the supermarket already, all masked up but with more chance of death from tripping over a shoe lace, falling into the freezer and freezing to death.
When the students realise that a big chunk of jobs have been lost and their micky mouse degrees count for nothing without an economy, maybe they will appreciate what has been lost due to Government and MSM stupidity and can demonstrate about that instead.
I think they also sang ‘Another Invented Disease’!
I see that the even a government report now admits 200,000 deaths likely due to lockdown (and the rest!). This appalling government’s desperately egregious behaviour just keeps my temper at incandescent levels and they aim to ‘calm’ the public by making us wear muzzles!
My latest MP email :-
“I am a constituent of yours (Name, address and post-code).
Another damning article about the government equivalent of corporate manslaughter has just come out – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
Your government, to its eternal shame, has now been shown guilty of the equivalent of corporate manslaughter on a massive scale – 35000 excess cancer deaths alone are now virtually inevitable because of lockdown. I have never felt more disgust at any British government during my lifetime (even that of Blair). It is now clearly time to reverse this insanity and fully open up society, rather than continuing in this reign of fear. It is time for decent MPs to stand up and tell the government the truth.”
It’s OK though, because if would have been half a million dead with no lockdown, they proved it with a model and everything.
It’s good to see that some recognition of the cost in human lives from the lockdown is starting to seep into press. It would be better if that article referred to the 500,000 as being the product of Neil Ferguson’s expensive random number generator than declaring it to be some kind of uncontestable declaration of reality from an omniscient entity.
Whilst I do expect some deaths (and a lot of depression & hardship) to come about as a consequence of lockdown and the painfully slow ‘easing’ of it, we should treat predicted excess deaths due to it with almost as much scepticism and scrutiny as the predicted Covid deaths. All are a calculation from computer modelling, the difference in this case, at least, is that there is historical data upon which to base those models, but that’s doesn’t mean we should take them as gospel, just because they validate our anti lockdown stance.
It’s an easier calculation. Look at past recessions, estimates based upon deaths for certain conditions (e.g. cancer). Ferguson’s model is a lot more speculative as it attempts to determine the vector of the virus and it did so with substantially incomplete data on the virus’ behaviour, and it’s a buggy mess of a model.
Besides, the key thing is that the lockdown will, and has, cost lots of lives. This is something that is largely being ignored. The policy at its heart is the ethical dilema of allowing some people to live at the cost of others. This is always dangerous territory and not somewhere I’d want to go without absolute certainty of the outcome of either path.
No – excess cancer deaths, for example, can easily be accurately predicted from previous history; ditto for heart attacks, strokes and many missed diagnostic tests and delayed operations.
Not sure what you mean by ‘No’ … I already said the data will be better, as you have then said, I’m simply saying a ‘prediction’ is just that, a prediction, and so it’s important to not treat one prediction as guaranteed (even if it has historical evidence to give it far higher chances of being accurate) whilst totally dismissing others, it is inconsistent to do so.
For any spotters of stupidity. Variety: mask nonsense.
Gavin Williamson. Skynews burley. He produces his mask from his jacket pocket waves it to burley in a moment of you do/don’t need to wear in sandwich shops and then puts back in pocket. He smirked obviously from the moment burley produced a white snood, a prop to bring up the subject of mask wearing.
A smirking education sec (is he?) isn’t going to sell me any health message, sorry.
Why did he wave a virus soaked mask? Perhaps he knows it’s all a con job
They *all* know it’s a farce, they’re all being carried along by media hysteria.
I change my mind regularly on weather gov is leading or media is leading as it’s hard to tell who is more dangerous and more culpable. I think i’ve settled on my conclusion though
Covid is real, just not very dangerous. Media blew it out of all proportion
Gov got carried along and caught off guard by how much panic media caused
Gov then caused more panic
Gov saw opportunity for greater surveillance and control, takes it
Media continues panic
Gov sees economy crashing, tries to reverse a bit
Panic has taken uncontrollable hold on population, media loves it (highly suspect they’ve never had such high reader/viewer engagement), continues it
Gov now just along for the ride, terrified of public/media backlash for any straying off course, and given up trying to be adults.
You are very kind, Mark. What about gov/media working to the same set of orders ?
Of course it’s a possibility, and I’ve considered it, but I am discounting it as the media are taking any and every opportunity to stick it to the government (except on dodgy death counts as that suits their agenda too) whichever action they take. I don’t doubt for one second, we now have a state sponsored propaganda arm in BBC as well as some friendly journo’s at numerous publications. However I think by and large our media outlets are nasty and calculated of their own free will, driven only by clicks & revenue – and what sells for them?
The Govt bought the press at the outset with vast amounts of social distancing/save the NHS advertising. I last bought a paper 3 months ago and don’t watch telly, are they still doing it ?
Oh yes.
Of course, anyone who’s been around a while would automatically question anything recommended by Williamson who has long been nothing but a joke figure.
Update. UK Column cover this very burley williamson moment. They put forward the vagueness is an attack on the public mind. UK Column then cover mask dangers excellently.
ASTHMA UK have a printable form on their website. Coverage also includes letter written to MP.
Ukcolumn.org
Live now on youtube the programme in full on youtube in a few hours.
Article 6 Universal declaration of human rights. – ukcolumn suggests that as a way to avoid mask wearing. Sorry live now so missed the wording.
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html Article 6 – Consent 1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice. 2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards adopted by States, consistent with the principles and provisions set out in this Declaration, in particular in Article 27, and international human rights law. 3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of… Read more »