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by Toby Young
29 July 2020 3:16 PM

Censortech

Censorship of Covid dissent reached new heights yesterday with a concerted effort by numerous social media platforms to remove all content relating to the press conference held by America’s Frontline Doctors. Not only did Facebook and YouTube remove the videos – and the server hosting the Doctors’ website disabled it – but Twitter banned Donald Trump Jr from its platform for 12 hours because he posted a tweet that contained content from the press conference relating to hydroxychloroquine. (You can still see a video of the press conference on Bitchute here.) Dr Stella Immanuel, one of the doctors featured in the video, has been widely ridiculed for her strange beliefs, branded a “witch-doctor” and had her Twitter account deleted. (You can read a transcript of some of her remarks at the press conference here.)

According to the BBC, the reason the video has been banned is because it promotes the use of hydroxychloroquine, both as a prophylactic and an effective treatment.

The video, a 45-minute livestream of the first day of a “White Coat” summit by the group, was posted to Facebook, Twitter and YouTube by Breitbart and quickly went viral.

“The virus has a cure, it’s called hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and Zithromax,” says one of the doctors in the video.

“You don’t need masks. There is a cure. I know they don’t want to open schools. No, you don’t need people to be locked down. There is prevention and there is a cure.”

Twitter, Facebook and YouTube have removed the content because it violates their “COVID-19 misinformation policies”, presumably by touting the benefits of hydroxychloroquine.

In a statement to BBC News, Twitter said: “Tweets with the video are in violation of our COVID-19 misinformation policy. We are taking action in line with our policy here.”

“We’ve removed this video for sharing false information about cures and treatments for COVID-19,” Facebook told the BBC, confirming it was also removing other versions of the video.

YouTube told the BBC: “We have removed the video for violating our COVID-19 misinformation policies.”

This view – that claiming hydroxychloroquine can be used both to prevent and cure COVID-19 is straightforwardly false and could lead to people harming themselves – appears to be based on the WHO’s official guidance.

The WHO says: “While several drug trials are ongoing, there is currently no proof that hydroxychloroquine or any other drug can cure or prevent COVID-19.”

“The misuse of hydroxychloroquine can cause serious side effects and illness and even lead to death,” it adds.

There are three things wrong with this argument for censoring America’s Frontline Doctors and anyone who links to the group’s claims.

First, while there may be no definitive “proof” that hydroxychloroquine “can cure or prevent COVID-19”, there isn’t any definitive “proof” that wearing non-surgical masks reduces the risk of infection either. Yes, there’s some evidence that non-surgical masks are effective, but then there’s also some evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective. This study conducted by the French doctor and virologist professor Didier Raoult, for instance. That study has been subject to intense scrutiny and considerable criticism, but other, less controversial studies have also found hydroxychloroquine to be effective (see here for instance) and it’s still used in hospitals around the world to treat COVID-19 patients, including in the US. In Russia, Spain and Nigeria, as well as in some other countries, its use is recommended by the public health authorities. Yes, its “misuse” can result in harm, but that’s also true of almost any medical intervention, including face masks. Why apply a higher standard to doctors promoting hydroxychloroquine than to those promoting masks? If Twitter, Facebook and YouTube are going to ban anyone from touting the benefits of hydroxychloroquine on the grounds that there’s no definitive “proof” that it’s effective, shouldn’t they also ban anyone from touting the benefits of non-surgical masks?

Second, while some studies have shown hydroxychloroquine to be an ineffective and harmful treatment – see here and here, for instance – there isn’t any definitive “proof” that it’s ineffective and harmful. On the contrary, numerous trials are still going on around the world to try and determine how effective it is (if at all). Many of those trials were halted, including one by the WHO, after a study was published in the Lancet purporting to show the use of hydroxychloroquine increased the risk of death in COVID-19 patients, but the data cited in that paper turned out to be dubious and the Lancet subsequently retracted it and apologised. The trials have now been resumed. In the absence of “proof” that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective or harmful, why should the default positions of the Big Tech companies be to ban any doctors promoting it? In due course, the weight of evidence may point to its effectiveness, so by banning doctors from singing its praises YouTube and Twitter could be causing harm. At present, it’s far from obvious that publishing such content is more harmful than removing it.

Third, social media platforms should err on the side of free speech, so in the absence of “proof” that hydroxychloroquine is actually harmful they shouldn’t ban people promoting it. If an organisation intends to violate a person’s right to free speech – particularly a social media company – the burden of proof should be on that organisation to show that more harm will came from allowing the person to speak than from stopping them speaking, and in this case, that threshold hasn’t been met.

I’m afraid this is just another example of Big Tech companies labelling a point of view that’s endorsed by Donald Trump and other conservatives as “misinformation” to give them with an excuse for censoring it. The real reason, as always, is political.

A Patient Writes

Today’s Blower cartoon in the Telegraph

I got an email from a frustrated reader who tried and failed to get an appointment with his GP yesterday.

Two days ago I got to witness what a basket case the NHS has been turned into.

My GP does not now do face to face bookings. Nor can you book an appointment over the internet any more, you have to ring up.

So at 12.30pm I did so. I was in a queue, and I ended up hanging on the phone for 40 minutes until I spoke to a receptionist. I asked her if I could speak to a GP. She said sorry, there were no appointments available this week, but I could ring at 8am or 2pm to try and get an ’emergency’ appointment. I said it’s only 45 minutes till 2pm, could this not be sorted now: she said no, the computer system only “opens” at 2pm.

So I rang back at 2pm. It was engaged. I tried again 20 times, it was always engaged. I finally got through and was put in a queue. At 2.45 I spoke to the receptionist. I requested an emergency appointment. She said sorry, they have all gone, I’d have to try tomorrow at 8am.

At this point I pretty much broke down, saying I’d been on the phone for nearly an hour and a half today and still no sign of any appointment with a GP, and no guarantee I would get one this week, no matter how many times I rang back. I was in utter despair.

The slightly happy ending to the tale is that because I complained to her so much, she did pass a message on to the doctor, and I was rang later to tell me a prescription was ready to pick up. But no GP appointment, which is what I most need.

This is what the Government has done to the NHS thanks to its bug eyed focus on one single virus, a virus which has declined massively in the last four months. I pity those who are older than me and iller than me, this is a terrible situation with real human cost.

Btw, I live in Bath which, as far as I am aware, has had very, very few infections in the last months.

Public Hopelessly Misinformed About Covid Mortality

This is astonishing. An opinion pollster – Kekst CNC – has discovered that the people of Scotland believe that 10.23% of the UK population have died from coronavirus! That’s approximately seven million people, more than the entire population of Scotland (5.454 million). No wonder mobs of nationalists are setting up makeshift roadblocks on the English border.

Admittedly, Kekst only asked 89 Scots, so it’s a tiny sample, but the polling company asked 527 women across the UK the same question and they think that 9.91% of the population have succumbed to the virus. Men are less pessimistic – they believe 3.45% of the population have died – but the mean figure is 6.76%, or four-and-a-half million. And in the US, the mean is a whopping 9%! That’s twenty nine-and-a-half million.

This throws some light on why the British public has been so compliant with lockdown restrictions and are so keen on mandatory face coverings. (According to Kekst, 65% of the UK population is in favour of compulsory face masks in indoor public spaces.) They’ve effectively been completely terrorised by the Government and the mainstream media. Not bed-wetters, just hopelessly misinformed.

Needless to say, the real Covid death toll is <0.1% of the UK population.

Postcard From the Hague

A reader has been in touch to tell me about his recent trip to The Hague. Sounds heavenly.

I just returned from two weeks house-sitting in The Hague. The difference in atmosphere was jaw-dropping. Whilst there are some token rules (largely ignored), it is clear that the Dutch have not been subjected to anything like the kind of fear campaign that the Brits have. The city centres of The Hague, Rotterdam, and Amsterdam were all bustling and filled with lively outdoor and indoor bars cafes and restaurants, with no distancing or masks. I even attended three jazz gigs, one of which took place in a crowded bar in Amsterdam, and featured a legendary 85-year-old Dutch drummer who also happily chatted to me in close proximity afterwards without batting an eyelid. (I suppose he must be one of those old people who have decided to “keep on living”).

Returning to the UK involved a stern commandment to fill in the Government’s online form and present it at the border or risk a hefty fine. After descending the steps down to the car deck of the ferry back to Harwich behind a British woman adorned with plastic gloves, a face mask, AND a plastic visor over her head (I never saw any such thing in Holland of course), I then breezed through the passport control without any mention of the form, meaning I needn’t have bothered with it and had been merely convinced to comply voluntarily by the threat of a fine.

Now if so much as ONE person on the enormous half-empty ferry tests positive we will all be told to self-isolate, I suppose.

What’s Causing Excess Deaths in Homes?

There’s an interesting new blog post by Carl Heneghan and Daniel Howden at the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine about the high numbers of excess deaths in homes and what the likely causes are.

While the currently registered deaths in England and Wales have fallen below the five-year average for the last five weeks, excess deaths at home remain above average and high. Over 700 excess deaths per week – 3,799 in total reported in the home setting over the past five weeks. Only 179 deaths of these have mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate.

It is not clear why there is such excess in the home. What is clear is that this represents a huge number of unexplained – and potentially avoidable deaths – particularly if they represent individuals deterred from visiting hospitals.

The number of deaths in the home setting are almost 50% higher than the total number registered with COVID-19 in any setting over the last five weeks (3,799 versus 2,582).

Individuals deterred from visiting hospitals. If that’s not the cause, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.

The Telegraph wrote a news story about the paper yesterday.

Masks All Removed in Unison

Not wearing a mask, even on the deck of a boat in the open sea, can attract some ‘Paddington stares’

I’ve been sent an unusually upbeat email about a trip to the seaside from a reader who identifies himself as Charlie in Warwickshire.

Myself and family booked a 1hr Coastal Sea Cruise, last Sunday morning, to leave from a Harbourside in North Devon (obscure to protect the company). When we got there, we noticed that everyone in the queue had face masks on, which I thought was odd.

It was only then that we checked the booking that said “Face Masks should (note, should) be worn on all Cruises” which is strange for many reasons – outdoors, by the Coast and in the lovely sea air on a boat where you’re sat outside.

I had my exemption card in my lanyard and then went to the booking office to ask them about it. They saw my card and were really cool about things saying – no worries, just show to one of the crew.

Went back in the queue and my partner donned her ‘bandit scarf’ and my daughter didn’t have any covering as she’s under 11.
The people in the queue ranged from couples to families, all of them in masks (including, worryingly, a few kids under five) and quite a few were giving me their best ‘Paddington Stares’ even after scrutinising my exemption card.

So, got on the boat and no problems as I sat at the back of the boat, in the outside. Captain comes on and says “going to go through some Covid awareness points but I can tell you that your masks are not necessary as we’re out in the beautiful sea air and the risk is low”.

In unison, they all removed their masks like it was some sort of revelation and surprise! All it took was someone ‘in authority’ to issue some commands and they dutifully complied.

So it was both worrying and heartening to see the masks come off. Worryingly, because they were like drones being programmed what to do, despite all their instinct and evidence telling them it was unnecessary to begin with.

If people need to be told that a face mask is not required on a sea cruise, and can’t work it out to begin with, then I weep for the future.

Round-Up

Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

  • ‘Impacts of COVID-19 on childhood malnutrition and nutrition-related mortality‘ – New paper in the Lancet says an additional 140 million people will be plunged into extreme poverty and between 111,193 to 178,510 children will starve to death this year as a result of the global lockdowns
  • ‘Second wave has begun in Europe, says Boris Johnson‘ – Today’s front page story in the Times. Complete balls, obviously
  • ‘Panic over rising Covid-19 case numbers is as irrational as it is dangerous‘ – Useful corrective to the above piece by Ross Clark in the Telegraph pointing out that increasing numbers of new cases is not a reason to panic if there’s no corresponding uptick in hospital admissions or deaths (which there aint)
  • ‘Acting could soon be a hate crime‘ – Disturbing editorial in Spiked about the Scottish Hate Crime Bill
  • ‘Full Employment with the Diversity Industrial Complex‘ – Excellent analysis of what the real aim of the woke cultists is – it’s a job creation scheme!
  • ‘Violence and Anarchy Reign in Portland‘ – Report in the Epoch Times from the frontline of America’s “revolution”
  • ‘Pandemic unemployment payment cut for 2,000 after airport checks‘ – The Irish Government is cutting unemployment benefit from its recipients discovered going on holiday after airport security checks
  • ‘The Case Is Building That COVID-19 Had a Lab Origin‘ – More “misinformation” that – who would’ve thunk it? – is almost certainly true
  • ‘Care homes were “thrown to the wolves” during COVID-19 outbreak, say MPs‘ – Sky News reports on the sensational findings of the Public Accounts Committee
  • ‘People over 6ft have double the risk of coronavirus, study suggests‘ – Study suggests aerosol transmission is cause of COVID-19 infections, not droplets, which means masks are useless
  • ‘London jobs market the worst in the country as vacancies fall by 60pc‘ – More bad economic news
  • ‘People with treatable cancers will die due to Government scaremongering, warns NHS nurse‘ – Good interview on the Telegraph‘s Planet Normal podcast with a district nurse
  • ‘Covid doesn’t care about your political theories‘ – Excellent demolition of the brain-dead claim that female leaders have been better at managing the pandemic than male leaders by Matthew Lynn in the Spectator
  • ‘When It Comes to Masks, There Is No “Settled Science”‘ – Good round-up of the evidence by Chris Calton on the Mises Institute blog
  • ‘Opera star Andrea Bocelli says he was “humiliated and offended” by Italy’s lockdown‘ – Turns out the world famous opera singer is one of us

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Forums Back Up and Running

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open. Initially, they became a spam magnet so we temporarily closed them. However, we’ve now found a team of people wiling to serve as moderators so the Forums are back up and running. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

Some “Mask Exempt” lanyards created by a reader

I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard. The one featured above, or one very like it, is available for free here and has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here. The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And you can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here.

And don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation recently to pay for the upkeep of this site. If you feel like donating, however small the sum, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here.

And Finally…

Yesterday, I reported that a house cat had supposedly tested positive for the virus. A reader was reminded of this Simpsons episode in which a “secrete conclave of America’s media empires” dream up the next “phony crisis” and hit upon “house cat flu”. A case of life imitating art?

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IMoz
IMoz
5 years ago

Meanwhile… in a country that used science, as opposed to “the science:”

“That Sweden has come down to these levels is very promising,” state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told reporters in Stockholm on Tuesday.

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“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-28/sweden-unveils-promising-covid-19-data-as-new-cases-plunge

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Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  IMoz

Logic, common sense, an appreciation for actual facts & real world experience.

It makes me so depressed to this how far we have to go to even get close to that level of competency, similar to the scale of job Arteta has on his hands at Arsenal.

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RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

As an Arsenal fan I concur 😂🤣

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PEKaiser
PEKaiser
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Yes good reference there, made this here Gooner smile

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HaylingDave
HaylingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Well, after we beat CFC in a few days, we’ll have closed the competency gap! What possibly could go wrong? 🙂

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  HaylingDave

As a kopite, I’d just like to say it’s nice to have you middle-of-the-table types posting here. 🙂

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Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Glad to see a few fellow gooners are on here adding to our misery haha

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Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago

That moron Johnson is telling us to walk more. Before his stupid lockdown I used to walk 25 miles a week on a couple of group walks. I got fit and met my friends and it improves mental health as well. Group walks are still suspended even now, despite the fact that social distancing in the countryside is very easy (even if unnecessary). The reason is that we should still limit contact as much as possible. However, I can go to the pub or shopping or the cinema or gym. There is no logic to any of this.

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

I used to walk to work at 4 miles a day. It also made for a good means of clearing my mind and separating the job from my home.

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

One of the biggest improvements for peoples health as a lot of people don’t take exercise would be to provide funding for standing desks, so that people weren’t so sedentary during working hours. Then they’ve got the option of standing and sitting to work.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

More taxes, more Nanny State interference in our lives.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Remember at the start of lockdown:
Johnson effectively locked people in their homes, only permitted to leave their homes for 1 hour per day to do exercise, people who used their small front gardens visited by police and told them not acceptable, all parks closed, all playgrounds closed, care homes still under draconian lockdown measures.
Please give us a break from all this nonsense and find a clever plan to get the economy going. Tip: remove all the ridiculous distancing measures and masks

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MDH
MDH
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The one hour limit was the result of an off-the-cuff comment by Michael Gove. I ignored it. I try to walk between five and eight miles a day.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

I cant walk much at all I’ve now damaged my heel!

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Sue Davey
Sue Davey
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I’m in the same place as you – except it’s the ball of my foot I’ve damaged. Happened just as lockdown came in and so frustrating as I’ve really want to get out and about more,because of the lockdown. If that makes sense!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Buy a scooter?

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Hop ?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Pogo stick.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

First week of Lockdown – my step-daughter and I took an epic 7-hour walk to the highest point in the area so we could get a glimpse of the sea on the horizon. Not a soul in sight. Highly illegal at the time. In fact it feels strange now, not breaking the law on a daily basis.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Unlawful perhaps, but never illegal. I’m not entirely clear on the distinction, though another reader may be, but I think ‘unlawful’ pertains more to government whims than anything else and so is nothing much worth bothering about, while ‘illegal’ relates to actual criminal acts.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

They didn’t want us to do it, either way :o))

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

You have the concept about distinction. But vice versa.

Crime – basic right and wrongs – simple universal – not tricksy.

Illegal – paperwork – policies statues – human contrived.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

What then of ‘unlawful’? There is definitely a difference between that and ‘illegal’, with ‘illegal’ pertaining to murder or theft for instance. Even if it is merely lawyer’s quibbles.

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

Illegal means the law expressly forbids it. Unlawful means it’s not allowed under the law because no law expressly allows it.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

The concept of unlawful does not properly exist in UK law then, as that is an aspect of the Code Napoléon is it not? In UK law and derived systems nothing is not permitted unless a law specifically says it is not permitted. Does it not mean that something being called merely unlawful can be ignored?

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

It’s… complicated. You’re basically right – there’s nothing illegal about acting unlawfully in this country (I believe that under a civil code, ‘unlawful’ is less of a real concept). It might help to think of it in this way: You might have acted against the spirit of the law, but kept to the letter of the law and so your actions are unlawful, but not necessarily illegal.

There remains a possibility that, in acting unlawfully you have also acted illegally.

Either way, you can’t be done for unlawful.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

I’m well aware it’s complicated, that’s why I asked 😉 I’m a bit of a jack of all trades but law is something I am little familiar with beyond basics, so I thank you for the elaboration.

Police being punitive against ‘unlawful’ are thus themselves committing questionable acts are they not (whether illegal or unlawful or otherwise)?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

Yes.

Murder is unlawful. Is it illegal? I don’t think so. Murder being a natural wrong.

Building without regulation standard – illegal it is against a contrived rule. This is also called unlawful refering to statute law. I would suggest illegal is more accurate.

Common law is law rights and wrongs we know within us.

Statute law comes from maritime law as strange as that may be. Dock(!) Often you can cross a statue law without knowing. Like, frinstance, not wearing a mask.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I obviously see things the reverse way to you. ‘Unlawful’ is not a term I would really ever use, hence my confusion. You seem to equate ‘unlawful’ to ‘wrong’ or ‘unjust’ where I would see both it and ‘illegal’ as coming from lawyers’ prattle, but ‘illegal’ is applied by legal types to such natural wrongs, not ‘unlawful’. See also my response to matt above.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

I agree with legal being lawyers prattle and ‘law’ being innate/natural within us.

Legal Law
Universal Law
Common Law

All result with a term unlawful.

Legal – contived aka prattle (good word!)
Law – common law

A good way to look at things is what a Police Constable can do and what a Police Office can do – the two are not the same.

Officer – legal.
Constable – common law.

There’s no Napoleon within British Law. The Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights and the Scottish Claim of rights form the basis of laws of the land.

Maritime law has the language legalese associated e.g. ‘Understand’ commonly means one thing to us but within legalese it means Stand Under (a statue or act) to be in agreement with. Sly.

The root of the two systems and complexities are best shown by the completely unbelievable fact that your birth certificate is not your property it is crown copyright. Your legal name is just that – and that is what legal law operates on. You the human is seperate to your legal name.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The above is incoherent. Start here:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/understanding-legislation

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

johnsons proroguing of Parliament was deemed Unlawful, no meaning in law, therefore Parliament was not prorogued so immediately resumed the sitting as though johnson had done nothing.

The remainers in their willful ignorance conflated this with illegal ie criminal, nothing of the sort.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

An example of unlawful is 30mph signs on a road with no street lights.
Councils may only impose 30mph limits in an urban environment and that is defined by having said lighting. The signs thus have no meaning in law = unlawfull but not illegal.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Cadair Berwyn? Or Moel-y-Gamelin?

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

It was never law, at least not in England. Neither was there ever a once-a-day law, or any law regarding distancing.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

…says a man who probably travels 99% of the time in a ministerial car that he does not even need to drive himself!

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LGDTLK
LGDTLK
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

I volunteer for a local wildlife trust. Every Tuesday out in the fresh air doing stuff like clearing invasive species, coppicing, tidying up local parish leisure areas etc. All with like-minded people of “a certain age” in excellent health – both mental and physical. This ended in March and none of it has restarted. We had a safetyism-heavy letter from a director about 2 months ago telling us no imminent return and since then not a peep from the trust management. Meanwhile we find other ways to occupy ourselves outdoors and I suspect that when the call comes to return it will be so overladen with “safety” measures that most of us won’t bother. Such is coronapanic.

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Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  LGDTLK

I walk with various Ramblers groups but walking is pre booked in groups of max 6. In normal times we sometimes had 20 plus on a walk so it is very restricted. Obviously I can and do walk on my own but not allowing unrestricted group walking is madness. Rather like your wildlife trust work I suspect many will not bother in future.

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TJS123
TJS123
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

And walk leaders, of which I’m one, are to be required to complete a risk assessment for each walk, recce it the day before the walk, and take a list of names. Also run the booking system and try to make sure everybody gets a chance for a walk every now and again. There used to be 15 or so, many old, including some over 80’s, walking 7 or 8 miles every week. Some have found they can walk informally in smaller groups with none of the nonsense and this will likely continue – charities like Ramblers will possibly not survive if their demands on their volunteers are too onerous. We also always used to have tea, cake and chat afterwards but where can you do that nowadays in a group of 15 or so? This has destroyed the health, social life and raison d’être of many older walkers, many are stressed and depressed and we’re having to almost be their social workers to make sure they don’t go under.

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Raging mad now
Raging mad now
5 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

These are all just guidelines. Nothing forcing you to do any of this.

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/bands-and-orchestras-can-gather-together/

This link applies to all groups

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Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  LGDTLK

The mask nonsense came in on Thursday evening, and on Friday morning, the shops were almost deserted. Only absolutely essential shopping being done. People were showing their disapproval by simply not going out unless completely necessary. A quick trawl of my favourite fora showed that people were mostly saying that they were going to order online as much as possible, so the businesses that were just starting up again will all be in dire straits – again. Probably by design.

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

I already walk quite a lot Boris due to your stupid ffing mask on public transport rule

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Bloody hypocrite. I challenge him to walk from where I live – NW London to Number 10. See how he likes it.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

He did genuinely used to cycle quite a lot – I saw him fairly often on his bike. Doubt he does any more. He was somewhat hazardous – on his phone, not paying much attention to zebra crossings etc. He once came to the rescue of some poor person who was being harrassed by feral thugs – on the route he cycled, this was quite common – and chased them off. Possibly one of the last honourable things he did.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

He did use to take the underground as well. An acquaintance of mine sat next to him once and she was tempted to lend him her brush as his hair was so disheveled.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I don’t get his tousled hair look – in photos of the younger Boris, his hair was normal, ie combed and tidy. If he thinks the unkempt look makes him more like one of the ‘plebs’ and thus more approachable (ie less of a toff), he needs his eyes tested! Not combing your hair only makes you look like a tramp..

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Me neither. Its really odd and makes you wonder what he’s aiming for with the touseled hair looks. I don’t think its to make him one of us, people tend to take pride in their appearance even if they don’t have much money so Lord knows why he can’t be bothered to comb his hair.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Start from Alexandra Palace, walk down to Priory Park in Hornsey, through the cricket grounds into Queens Wood, over to Highgate and Hampstead Heath, across Regents Park and almost there.
Surprisingly green is London.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This was to your bloody hypocrite post.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

And McDonald’s drive-thru was one of the first places to re-open of course, people were queueing for hours in their cars to get their Big Mac and fries…

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Here’s some logic.

Covid related salad dodging hasn’t been addressed north of Hadrians Wall. I believe it might be a diplomatic dance too far for even sturgeon. To get her, lets be honest, ‘largish’ cult followers to slim. Being quite factual a liberal amount of anti chafe vaseline will be required before Scotland loses weight.

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Jacob Nielson
Jacob Nielson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

A relative used to swim competitively in a club. 6 sessions a week. Fit, toned, a picture of health. Since March, nothing. I need say no more. When he starts again, it’ll be a huge struggle…..

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

It’s not about a virus and the policies aren’t based on sense or science.
Since lockdown I have been cycling 15 miles nearly every day

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Mrs two-Six
Mrs two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

I walk loads and enjoy this activity but it is now one that is marred by people who prefer to socially distance into bushes or into a road in their bid to avoid me at all costs. Or they stop and wait for me to walk past??? Why?! And then look at me expecting a, I don’t know, thank you?! It is still happening ..argh

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Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Is Boris taking his own advice?
It would improve his figger, his face, and even his coif.
Very unhealthy looking fellow.

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Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I rather suspect he is a born again evangelical exerciser. Lecturing those of us who have always done exercise and tried to live healthily.

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Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Like most things in his life these days, it’s everything to do with following orders from the missus

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Raging mad now
Raging mad now
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Hi Bumble, the antisocial distancing are just guidelines. You are free to ignore them http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/lockdown-laws-in-england-have-been-revoked/ And http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/bands-and-orchestras-can-gather-together/ Fiction: Brass bands, orchestras and every other large group of 30 or more people are still unable to get together to rehearse. Law: Brass bands and orchestras can now rehearse in England. Gatherings of up to 30 people, including musicians, are allowed anywhere in England unless there is a specific prohibition. Under the new law in place from 4th July 2020, those prohibitions include (read through these quickly then come back again): private dwellings (reg. 5(1)) public outdoor places which are not operated by (or part of premises used for operation of) a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution or a public body as a visitor attraction, (reg. 5(1) and reg. 5(2)) raves indoors (reg. 5(4)) Exceptions to the above are made, broadly, for gatherings for elite sportspersons necessary for work, charitable purposes, education and childcare reasonably necessary for purposes of education or training in such public outdoor places where both (a) a written health and safety risk assessment has been undertaken and (b) all reasonable measures have been taken to limit the risk of transmission of the coronavirus taking account of… Read more »

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago

So true Toby

“Why apply a higher standard to doctors promoting hydroxychloroquine than to those promoting masks? If Twitter, Facebook and YouTube are going to ban anyone from touting the benefits of hydroxychloroquine on the grounds that there’s no definitive “proof” that it’s effective, shouldn’t they also ban anyone from touting the benefits of non-surgical masks?”

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

There is unfortunately a specific problem here. You cannot make any claim that a drug works unless you have (a) evidence that it does (b) for most non-grandfathered claims, the agreement of a regulatory body that your evidence is sufficient and that benefit outweighs risk.

That principle, like it or not, does not apply to face masks, lockdowns, or even a lot of medical treatments like surgery. It’s because hydroxychloroquine is a pharmaceutical agent and they are regulated that way. So statements about it are going to be subject to more risk-aversive scrutiny.

I was horrified when trials were stopped on the basis of obviously shoddy data. The only way to know is to conduct and complete an adequately-designed trial. I say that as a (current) HCQ-skeptic. Show me it works and I will change my mind.

Source/conflict of interest statement: I work at the interface between pharma companies and the regulators.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago

Love the LS Mask Exempt cards. Much better than all the other ones available.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

i do however prefer white backgrounds as it uses less ink to print

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

https://assets.amuniversal.com/6582abe0c854012e2f9100163e41dd5b

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

The social media companies are platforms, which is why they are not liable to libel suits. However, every time they censor someone, they are implicitly asserting that they are publishers, which makes them liable for all the content on their sites. They should be made to choose: either they are platforms, and therefore can no more censor than a telephone company, or they are publishers and are free to censor.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

You might be aware that BigTech is about to appear before the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives at 12 ET. This is relevant, as antitrust is likely the way to resolve this. The problem has been brewing for some time in the US – the dominant Chicago School paradigm of antitrust law and economics does not recognise what are known as portfolio or network effects, meaning they have come to dominate the space, and some would argue, stifle innovation and entrepreneurship. If their platforms are broken up, they would then fall under scrutiny in your second category, I think. If you are interested, Google Lina Khan (Yale Law School) and Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox – free to view, and an excellent read – she is now advising one of the Federal Trade Commission commissioners. Also see the book by Scott Galloway at NYU Stern School of Business (he is a professor of marketing), ‘The Hidden DNA of Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google’

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

The problem is that the leading Democrat criticism is that they do not censor enough.

Democrats and Labour voters don’t deserve freedom of speech because they openly believe in censorship of dissent. There are of course some people on the right who do also, but these days the impetus comes primarily from the politically and socially dominant left. It’s not anti-white racists like BLM who are censored and hounded, it’s people protesting eg against racist murder of whites in South Africa like Katie Hopkins

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Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

They should no longer be given that option. They’ve clearly decided to be publishers, and to interfere in the U.S. election.
Time to fine them, remove their protection from being sued, and punish them for their political interference.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

If they were made legally liable for their content, they would very quickly find their business models were unsustainable.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Exactly. They’ve made their political leanings clear. In fact they went political years ago as soon as they gave in to the “hate speech” nonsense, but they got away with that because they were only suppressing fringe dissent. Now they’ve stepped more or less directly into the political fray in the US especially on the side of the Democrats and of coronapanic, so hopefully they will be dealt with appropriately.

We do need actual platforms, but they need to be genuinely free from political censorship. Including censorship of “hate speech”, which absolutely is political censorship.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago

The censorship by Google and Facebook are all part of the one world one story all fall in line with the same bullshit. Google is unusable and and you’ve got to have a hole in your brain if you use facebook, same with watching the the BBC. We can now see the evil bastards that rule over the majority of people no bother at all. Their lies are so open it’s hard to believe that your leftie arsehole can’t see it. Fuck these people they are a danger to humanity. I keep saying but civil war is inevitable. Any time a new frontier opens up there will be a war and all these tech firms want is to shut down any chance of competition. They are pure evil.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I detest Google if only there was an alternative!

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Humanity First
Humanity First
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

There is …try DuckDuckGo!

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Humanity First

I’ve heard of it thanks. I’ll give it a go.

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

It’s okay, but not necessarily on all searches. Google is still better on a lot of mundane stuff.

If you use firefox, the search box in the top corner will have a dropdown by the magnifying glass (you’ll have to mouse over it) and it will give you a list of search engines you can use for the search. It’s customisable, too.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

I used to use Firefox then changed to Opera but both use Google as the browser.

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Firefox defaults to google, but it can be changed via the mechanism that I mentioned.
I’ve not used Opera for a while, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that was the same.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Opera has a v. useful built in VPN, useful for finding torrents etc. Set it and forget it.

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

I use Firefox because everything about it can be customised.
For most things though I actually use the Firefox ‘lite’ or whatever it is that basically just deletes everytihng you just did as soon as you exit it.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

You can choose your default browser with firefox.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Seven Steps to Online Privacy
https://medium.com/@re_53711/seven-simple-steps-toward-online-privacy-20dcbb9fa82

Google — A Dictator Unlike Anything the World Has Ever Known

  1. Google’s Powers Pose Serious Threats to Society
  2. How Google Can Shift Your Perception Without Your Knowledge
  3. Simple Trick Effectively Masks Search Bias
  4. Google May Have Shifted Millions of Votes in 2016 Elections
  5. Google Has the Power to Determine 25% of Global Elections
  6. A Dictator Unlike Anything the World Has Ever Known
  7. The Influence of Search Suggestions
  8. YouTube’s Up Next Algorithm
  9. The Creepy Line
  10. Google Runs a Total Surveillance State
  11. How Google Tracks You Even When You’re Offline

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/05/10/google-and-your-privacy.aspx

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PAUL TURNBULL
PAUL TURNBULL
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

yes definitely duck duck go which doesnt track you, but i do find its searches arent quite as good as google so i use google as last resort

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Humanity First

The searches are terrible though, with too many USA results in them.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Try typing UK at the end of your query

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Humanity First

I did. It gave only a fraction of the results from google. I suppose it depends what you’re searching for.
Bing is absolutely rubbish.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Yandex search:

https://yandex.com/

It’s Russian, but appears every bit as good as Google.

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Dogpile is good. It colltes lots of other search engines.
DuckDuckGo is still fairly decent but has been fucked with search algorithm wise (I think they have a similar way of ordering the results as google)

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

For email give Proton Mail a try protonmail.com

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Yes Swiss encrypted not like Gmail that keep all your emails on server

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Vpn by proton too. Excellent and free.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I would love to know if it is possible to buy a smart phone without requiring google.

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guy153
guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Apple phones probably don’t have much Google software. Idk if you can trust Apple any more but at least you pay them making you a customer. With Android you’re the product. You can also install GNU/Linux on a phone for full freedom but it will probably be quite a hassle.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Thanks. Thats a good help to my understanding. Apple finger print is out for me, but perhaps worth looking into. At least theres a possible way in linux. Google is exceptionally intrusive.

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Wesley
Wesley
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Startpage is great.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Google always puts Conservative Woman at the bottom of my recent searches list so likely to disappear on my next search but I am wise to their slimey tricks.

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

‘Civil war is inevitable’ At least we’ll be able to identify the enemy, they’ll all be wearing muzzles….

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

And you will be able to easily see the whites of their eyes.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Twitter somewhat late in the day have removed Wiley’s account.

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

The Free Speech Union are backing Wiley aren’t they?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Anti trust hearing is being heard in US right now live on BBC and Sky.
Amazon Google Face and apple

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Michael Adler
Michael Adler
5 years ago

Petition to repeal mask mandate in shops past 22,000. Please sign if you haven’t already
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

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Wickwar Bob
Wickwar Bob
5 years ago

I was quite encouraged by the comments BTL of Ross Clark’s Telegraph article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/panic-rising-covid-19-case-numbers-irrational-dangerous/.

There were a few comments by zealots of course, but they are looking increasingly ludicrous and indefensible now in the face of the evidence. I know this is by no means a represenative example of the population (and those poll results flagged by Toby are really frightening), but maybe the tide of opinion is beginning to turn? Hope so, because I need to feel some optimism.

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Wickwar Bob

Ditto

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Wickwar Bob

Polls say only whatever the vested interests commissioning them want them to – the true art to being a pollster is to make the results believable and nothing more. Such is my theory for what it’s worth.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Wickwar Bob

Shouldn’t be frightened, most of the population have no idea what ‘per cent’ means, no idea if what the population size is, no idea what they are talking about, it’s duckspeak.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago

Clearly this fkin government doesn’t give a flying fcuk. It would have been better had Boris died in a ditch! And yes I do mean it!

Reading that email from someone trying to book a doctors appointment to just hearing my mother in law can now receive visitors but only one designated person, no one else and for just 1/2 hour. Yes that’s what this fkin fascist government has dictated.

Apologies if my bad language offends I’m too fckin angry!

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Is the half hour rule imposed by a care home?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

My brother in law thinks its government diktat he’s forwarding the email so I’ll let you know.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

It’s probably guidance, as usual subtly insinuated to be law

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TeeBee
TeeBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

It’s unlawful to prevent you seeing your relative. I’d get on to the social worker about it.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  TeeBee

Or a solicitor!

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FiFiTrixabelle
FiFiTrixabelle
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

My sympathies Bella. Having the same experience up in Scotland. 88 year old mother-in-law has been in hospital for 4 weeks. Only allowed one nominated person (me). She was very poorly last week (has since rallied) but I asked if my husband (her only child) could get in to see her. The short answer was ‘no, Nicola says….we are only following Scot Gvt advice’. It’s madness.

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Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

A truly evil, made-up diktat. Demonic.

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Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Personally, I would call it that; demonic in a literal sense

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Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

Advice. Not law. I know what I would do…

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Kelly deacons
Kelly deacons
5 years ago

2nd trip to Asda.Last Friday I was the only bare face.Today,footfall again noticeably down,…..a good ten bare faces, 4 workers,6 shoppers…..no trouble at all!spread the word.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

Went to the local butcher today here in London. None of the three customers were wearing masks. The staff had Perspex masks.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I can’t see why businesses are making their workers wear masks – why aren’t visors sufficient? Less harmful to the wearer’s health and still give some protection in the event of a customer unexpectedly sneezing or coughing..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

The Karens complained that if the customers had to it was illogical if the staff didn’t. As you can imagine, Wankock’s answer didn’t exactly clarify things.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

We have visors at work which are much better. Unfortunately I still can’t wear them so my managers have transferred me to positions where you don’t need them. They have been excellent in dealing with my condition.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago

This is actually a good thing:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/shopworkers-refusal-wear-masks-causing-conflict-cash-register/

Here’s the start of the article (paywall):

Shopworkers’ refusal to wear masks is causing “conflict at the cash register” and sparking hundreds of complaints, a new survey shows.

While members of the public who visit supermarkets, banks and clothing stores must wear a face covering, the people who work in those venues do not.

This split has caused anger amongst shoppers, who have made more than 350 complaints to companies, mainly about staff not being masked and the failure of retailers to enforce social distancing.

If all the shop workers are forced to wear the uncomfortable nappy, they will hopefully lobby their management, who may complain to the government, who may just see the futility of the whole thing, for everyone.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

It could go that way, or businesses will voluntarily or under duress make their staff wear masks whenever they are “in public”.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It has gone this way at Heathrow Airport. In theory, staff are supposed to wear face coverings in all public areas of the airport.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That’s what Aldi decided. Cashiers behind perspex are exempt. Aldi staff multi-task, so hopefully won’t be on the shop floor all day.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I couldn’t possibly insist shop workers wear masks, to wear them all day every day isnt feasible and thoroughly injurious to their health.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Some shops and other businesses already do insist their staff wear masks, all day every day, while customer facing.

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

We could see the first WARRANTED strike in quite a while!

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TeeBee
TeeBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

LOL – 350? How can they measure this?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  TeeBee

Good point, made it up journalism.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Unfortunately, the easiest way for Gov (or shop mgmt) to settle any dissent is to make them mandatory for all. Cos they’re all bastards.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

I suspect mandatory mask wearing at work would be illegal under discrimination legislation.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Unless they waive it,during ‘the emergency period’. Woudn’t trust em as far as I could spit em, with my mask on.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

They have done it to the nurses

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Bastard wimps!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Better if we customers write and say it’s cruel and unhealthy and we’ll shop at other stores that care properly for their staff ……

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

It’s the same ‘logic’ that forced the construction trade into lockdown which the gumment never intended. Too many complaints “if I’ve got to stay home how come builders don’t !?!”

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TPFR
TPFR
5 years ago

Thank you for everything you are doing. Much more useful than a list of businesses that have reopened (most of them, apparently) would be a list of businesses that are ignoring these dreadful mask rules. I’d be very happy to give them some of my money.

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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
5 years ago

Been out and about in Billericay earlier, and can report that I hardly saw anybody in face coverings. Went into the BP filling station and shop.No one on the forecourt wearing. Inside some old guy had what looked like a dishcloth he was holding to his mouth, one young couple where female was unmasked and male was, but only around his neck. Three other customers were masked. Two ladies serving, one masked, one unmasked. I was beckoned over by the masked one. I smiled at her and she was extremely pleasant. She had to remove her (quite heavy duty looking) mask to ask me a question and I could see she was smiling. My local convenience store and off licence both seem to be making a point by being overtly friendly to non-maskers, and none of their staff ever wear them. . Am I being too optimistic, or is this falling apart already? PS I went onto Waitrose on Sunday. I was the only one un-masked. To my disappointment though, nobody said anything!!

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Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago

The opinion poll is downright scary. Do people in the UK really believe 7% of the population have died from Covid and 10-15% of the population currently have it? If so, no wonder people are still so fearful (and think masks are necessary).

Even taking into account the effect of fear-propaganda, it really doesn’t say much about the average intelligence and education of the public. Either people think the total UK population is less than a million, or they think that four and a half million people have died (and are either unaware of or disbelieve the official death toll), in which case where are all the dead people?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

Ask any of them what ‘per cent’ means.They haven’t a clue.
Ask them what the population ofBritain is. Not a clue.
Tell them the figure.
Ask them to calculate 7% of it.
Ha ha ha.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Nice one, Annie. And a sizeable percentage (!) of them will have degrees.

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Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

There are a lot of thick people in the UK

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NOTOKWITHTHIS
NOTOKWITHTHIS
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

Back in the mists when we were first incarcerated to do our bit to save lives, I avidly followed Worldometers and for me, it did for a while look scary. I am no statistician but I found a formula for calculating exponential growth and put some numbers in my diary as a reference point. According to this on 30th June there should have been 1.5billion cases and 12million deaths worldwide. Needless to say the divergence from these projected figures and reality became apparent fairly quickly. As did the absence of bodies piling up in the streets. 7% of the UK population dead in the space of 5 months, is a hell of a lot of bodies. Roughly 10x the annual average. Where do people think these bodies have gone? I just don’t get it.

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Keen Cook
Keen Cook
5 years ago
Reply to  NOTOKWITHTHIS

‘They’ are hiding all those bodies – ‘they’ have all died from this terrible plague. It is coming to get us. That’s why we must hide in our homes, in our masks, in our minds. It beggars belief. I cannot understand how people are thinking this is OK and we are going to be shepherded around at the behest of a deranged lunatic till the financial system sizes up and stops the money circulating. If the economy continues to tank and the physical retail and catering sector just dies, the unemployment rate will be eyewatering, the businesses will shrink again and again – so little tax revenue anywhere and all that universal credit to pay – will the BoE continue to print money or will they stop or will borrowing rates start to really go up? I’m a very simple soul so if there’s anyone here who can draw me some scenario’s I’d be grateful. Do I for example, draw out any notes I might have left and put them under the mattress? Or do I buy some gold sovereigns? We will all be living in much reduced circumstances I imagine? This is simply bonkers.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Keen Cook

You can only depress the economy so far before it enters a “death spiral”, where falling tax receipts fail to cover government spending and debt servicing payments. Which leads to greater shrinkage of the economy and further falls in tax receipts.

The worst case scenario (which is very unlikely btw) is total economic meltdown. Best case scenario (also unlikely the longer this nonsense goes on) is a “V” recovery. Sharp fall, followed by a sharp rise.

Gold is currently at its highest price level ever. If the outlook gets worse, it will climb higher yet, but if the recovery scenario comes true, the price will fall again as investors rush back to shares.

https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

DT today is talking about a “K-shaped” recovery.

“What the hell is that?” you may ask, as I did.

Apparently it’s a recovery where people in employment enjoy an improving standard of living, while those who are unemployed see life getting worse and worse.

So much for ‘leveling up’

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

I’m holding out for a lower case ‘g’ shaped recovery.

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Somewhere there’s a roomful (or a teams call full) of economists trying to work out what every letter of the alphabet might mean in terms of a recovery.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

See Jeff Taylor’s video on youtube on the K-shaped recovery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ1-6P5OEWE

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

He makes good points very clearly and succinctly. (I also listened at double speed!)

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Kristian Short
Kristian Short
5 years ago
Reply to  Keen Cook

Gold/silver for if things get desperate ie the majority loose faith in govt. Shares, despite economic downturn, as big money has to go somewhere and won’t be going into- and thus avoid- bonds/govt debt.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Keen Cook

Simple, I got a Pass ‘0’ Level Economics, when I were a lad I could buy 4 pints for a quid, now it’s 4 quid for 1 pint. The pound in my pocket is now worth 1/16th of what it was.
They will inflate the debt away over a generation.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  NOTOKWITHTHIS

That was always Iannidis’ point re the Gompertz curve. The rise looks exponential to start with but soon levels off. Any epidemiologist/mathematical modeller should have known that.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

It seems to be typical loose/lazy usage of technical terminology anyway, as I doubt very much that growth anywhere (or decline for that matter) has actually been exponential. If it follows the pattern 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 etc (or indeed 32, 16, 8 etc) it is exponential, otherwise it’s nothing of the sort.

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Catharine Knowles
Catharine Knowles
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

I think nobel prize winner Michael Levitt would agree with you. He has been trying to make himself heard for months, telling us that it was never exponential. His interview with Freddie Sayers on Unherd is well worth watching.

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Catharine Knowles

He doesn’t say it’s never exponential – he says that the exponential growth decays quickly. So the virus will rapidly spread to those who aren’t going to be able to put up a defence and then increasingly struggles as it has fewer potential vitcims.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  NOTOKWITHTHIS

The week and a half spent obsessing about Dom Cummings was to distract us from the exponential growth not happening, the red tops tried it with maddie McCann for a few days but their readers weren’t interested.

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago

People should continue to book holidays but “ need to be aware of the risk that quarantine could be imposed” culture secretary Oliver Dowden said this morning.
”But as long as people are aware of that risk, they should continue to book holidays, but just bear in mind that this may happen and sadly it has happened in Spain,” he told BBC breakfast.

What planet are these people on? Who can afford to pay thousands of pounds for a holiday that could be cancelled at a moment’s notice and then give up a further two weeks of holiday entitlement to be imprisoned at home, most likely without wages?

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MDH
MDH
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Contemptible. They just have no idea.

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

They don’t live in the real world. And apparently those of us who do are uneducated gammon.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

To a cynical person it might look as though they were trying to kill off the travel industry. I can’t believe that they can be so f****ng stupid as to think that they can restart the economy AND f*** with people’s lives like this.

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Barney, I know ‘we can’t believe it’ but lots of people still do believe this garbage

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

They want travel to be a luxury, only for the elites..

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Added to that Carrie they want to take our right to travel.

It is our world. Each of ours.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

They even want to steal our right to travel around the country.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Local travel seems to be in the sights yes. The commute has been extraordinarily hit already. Yes jams are up as people don’t use public transport. The work from home ideology has been sold like it or not. Its now a fight for how much up take or resistence there will be.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Who, the people who are trying to bribe you to go and eat out, because they made you too frightened to go and eat out? Oh, they can do stupid, alright.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

And now sturgeon saying testing won’t work as an alternative to quarantine because testing on day one might miss an incubating covid and testing on day 8 gives no guarantee either. Pretty much verbatim.

Ok… I was going to slur her name and introduce swearing to an otherwise polite internet page. Can you feel me seeth at this jumped up flump.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

So, work your bottom off all year, putting away a little each week, for that yearly two-week break of actual life instead of existence. Now for a little added thrill you get to gamble all on a holiday these gouls in suits might snatch* from you at whim. Sounds good. Even more added thrill to the gamble if you realise you are soon to be out of a job and things look bleak in the short to long term.

*employer says cannot give you two week quaratine so you cannot go = snatching.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

And people then decide, you know what, I think I’ll put the handbrake on at work. In-tray’s on the left there. I’ll get round to it. Maybe.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Apparently hotel prices in Devon & Cornwall are horrendous so its Skegness for the rest of us.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

“but just bear in mind that this may happen and sadly it has happened in Spain,”

No, ****, it didn’t “just happen”. You and your scumbag collaborators in Whitehall inflicted it on people, for no good or legitimate reason whatsoever.

Hopefully none of them will forget, or forgive.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Sky new ‘news hour’ just throws to a break by saying “coming up, how does the government decide which countries [to cause this quarantine/lockdown scandal] for? We talk to a WHO expert next”.

So government decides when WHO tells them?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Clueless. I expect they have no idea of the prices of a litre of milk or a standard loaf of bread either.

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Have to be honest, I buy two or three of each of these a week and I’d struggle to tell you how much they are, beyond a rough guess.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Men! 😉

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

At least I do the shopping!
(And the cooking, I’ll point out while in defensive mode)

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PEKaiser
PEKaiser
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Haha I’m guilty too. Don’t have a clue what anything costs

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

It’s so they can effectively force us out of the skies without actually banning us in law thus leaving them free for Greta and all the Special People.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

“Vietnam, which had gone 100 days without reporting a case of local transmission of the coronavirus, said on Saturday that a 57-year-old grandfather in the central city of Danang had tested positive. How he got the illness remains a mystery.”Remember Hope-Simpson’s theory about influenza and seasonal transmission and perhaps the same thing with Sars Cov-2?Follow a few links first a summary of his theoryhttps://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1286530684459405320/photo/1In fact, his whole book is free to download herehttps://www.dropbox.com/s/4yda40j4hf9nbad/11th%20The%20Transmission%20of%20Influenza%20BOOK.pdf?dl=0Now it has been produced a nice picture with Covid-19 deaths and compared with influenza and outbreaks depending on latitudehttps://twitter.com/Hold2LLC/status/1286550960190431233/photo/1“The embedded flu chart, based on the Hope-Simpson model, uses 0-30 N latitude and 30+ North. For whatever reason, we’re seeing outbreaks in the middle east and southern states that fit under 35 North into the tropical 0-30 region he describes with the flu.”The following linkhttps://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1286526752756584449“Here is a look at some states and middle east countries all in the ~30 N region. See how so many of them are all flaring up in late June or July at about the same time regardless of whether they were hit earlier or not.”Still speculative but interesting as there are many mysterious things with influenza i.e. hard to explain simultaneous outbreaks at… Read more »

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John B
John B
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Mystery can be explained by erroneous reporting, or mis-information. Vietnam is a Communist Country, I wouldn’t trust them to tell me the colour of the sky.

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David P
David P
5 years ago

In his recent article Harvey Risch, Professor of Epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health argued that there is strong evidence for the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine:

“I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines.”

“the medication has become highly politicized. For many, it is viewed as a marker of political identity, on both sides of the political spectrum. Nobody needs me to remind them that this is not how medicine should proceed. We must judge this medication strictly on the science”

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

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Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago

Oh no!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMFWd4R8BOU&feature=youtu.be

I expect all the people on that train will need to self isolate for 14 days. Perhaps even any train spotters standing at the track side as the train hurtled past will also need to quarantine.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

It would make sense if he’d lowered it to speak, then replaced it. He obviously hadn’t been wearing it. They really are aliens!

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John B
John B
5 years ago

‘Yes, there’s some evidence that non-surgical masks are effective,’

Effective for what? A barrier to droplets expelled in the breath, but no more so than your hand or handkerchief or a banana skin.

There is no evidence that surgical or non-surgical masks are effective at preventing spread of coronaviruses either as a source barrier, or barrier against being infected.

All evidence is related to barrier against Marge droplets 0,3 micron or larger, but it may not be assumed large droplets are the only vector of spread of the virus.

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  John B

Just sneeze into your hands and then wash them. Or sneeze into your elbow and wash your clothes later. And don’t lick things.

Job done.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Total lickdown.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Trouble is for the sheep – that’s too easy and too logical.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  John B

John Lee was saying something the other day about it. Without proper tests, nobody really knows whether the drops don’t dry out, concentrating the virus in one place, and then the first time you speak you blast concentrated viral particles into the face of the person opposite – and straight through their ‘chicken wire’ mask, obviously. It really could be as counter-intuitive as that: instead of spreading a little bit of virus to someone else who builds up a little bit of immunity as a result, you end up giving them a larger viral load, and a proper infection. (If there was any virus around at the moment, of course).

Edit: that’s what happens when you begin dancing to the other side’s tune. I shouldn’t be arguing about whether masks ‘work’. I oppose them at every level on principle. They are a literal example of totalitarian government. Arguing about whether they work is how you get sidetracked.

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Mimi
Mimi
5 years ago

India’s death rate is like 19 per million (ifr 0.002%). Mali – MALI!!! – has had 6 deaths per million. The countries where people habitually take HCQ are doing way better than the global north. See: https://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/opinion/this-indian-slum-contained-a-possible-covid-19-disaster-with-hydroxychloroquine?__twitter_impression=true

Dr. Malcolm Kendrick has also sung the praises of HCQ for inhibiting viral infections: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/07/05/distorting-science-in-the-covid-pandemic/

And see the estimable Gummi Bear’s deep dive: https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1283840177497088001

HCQ has been used by billions for the past 50 years. IDK if it’s a “cure” for COVID, and quite likely some doses of it are indeed dangerous, as is the case with all drugs – but for goodness sake, can’t we at least discuss it? It certainly appears to have some promise. If it’s truly dangerous, then responsible research would bear that out, but even if it is, there’s no reason to suppress mentioning the very word. Suppression makes it look like there are people who don’t want us to know something.

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Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

If HCQ was so dangerous, it wouldn’t be used for malaria or lupus, etc. The fact that they’re trying to claim that it’s dangerous shows more than anything that they’re lying.

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

If it was so dangerous it wouldn’t be on the WHO’s list of essential drugs (where it has been since the WHO has had such a list).

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Major Panic
Major Panic
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

65 years of deadly usage, it’s amazing it’s still around

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

I didn’t see on BBC the picture of Bolsonaro coming out after his bout with Covid-19 smiling showing the crowd his HCQ package

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

Are you aware of the HCQ trial in the UK which used a known potentially lethal dosage to prove it was ineffective?

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

..and also did not use the suggested additions of zinc and azithromycin..

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

Worth repeating – MALI!!!

The NHS are not comparable to – MALI!!!

Well done MALI!!!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Point was taken but worth making again!

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago

I can understand the desire by some to have something ready to hand indicating an exemption to face coverings, but given that there is no requirement to have such, and that it all smacks just a bit too much of yellow stars and pink, black or red triangles, I cannot support the notion myself.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

Mae’n syniad da i bobl sy ac ofn arnyn nhw o gael eu herlid gan y zombis!

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Digon teg, but perhaps we should punch them in the nose if they try, as there need to be consequences for such disgusting breaches of decency.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

I’ve been walking in and out of places without a lanyard (or a mask). In England, as well as at home where it isn’t an issue. Yet.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1288440908648796162
“Ruined and torn by civil war, Afghanistan has barely any healthcare system left. A brief lockdown was lifted as the nation had to choose between hunger and COVID-19. It braced for the worst, but then the unexpected happened: the pandemic burnt out. Herd immunity”

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Lockdown Truth
Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

This disease is prolonged by constant publicity. Afghanistan obviously couldn’t be bothered to do the PR so poor Covy died.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Theres the CIA crop to get in, no time to covid!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Felt neglected so wandered off to Downing Street instead.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Sweden too from the looks of things. Just without the civil war first.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Social media has no qualifications to delete that message, as it comes from certified doctors. Even if they claim that some other group of doctors are saying that the video is wrong, they still have no qualifications to determine which group of doctors is correct. In other words, by taking action, social media is dispensing medical advice, and they have no right or warrant to do such a thing If HCQ was not a political topic, then they wouldn’t have suppressed it to begin with. They would have trialed it and made an official report on it, rather than completely suppress it without evidence. Their actions indicate that they are suppressing it for political purposes, not for medical purposes, and that makes them bad faith actors, and are not to be trusted. Don’t listen to them when they say: “it’s dangerous, it can lead to injury or death if used improperly”. It’s an incredibly vague statement. Even a pencil can lead to injury or death if used improperly, but i don’t see anyone banning them. When someone says that, ask them on specific doses. What dose is dangerous? What dose is lethal? What’s the dose for malaria? What’s the dose… Read more »

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Note, The Lancet was forced into a very embarrassing climb-down on the attached spoiling paper when it was discovered that one of the co-authors was supposedly an ‘adult model’ and another was a ‘science fiction author’

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Also note that the backpedalling was not given nearly the same coverage as the original publication.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Also note business as usual. Normal normal at last!

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Richard Horton is not very keen on being questioned on the Andrew Wakefield MMR paper either!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Why Medical Authorities Went to Such Extremes to Silence Dr. Andrew Wakefield
“In the years after his initial controversial finding, linking the MMR vaccine to Crohn’s disease and autism, he [Dr Wakefield] published another 19 papers on the vaccine-induced disorder. 

All were peer reviewed. However, strangely enough, none of these 19 papers are ever discussed in the media. The only study that keeps seeing the light of day is the original study from 1998, along with the original questions about conflicts of interest, which he explains in great detail in this interview.

This is very interesting indeed, because not only has he continued his own studies, but since then, a large number of replication studies have been performed around the world, by other researchers, that confirm his initial findings.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx

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Major Panic
Major Panic
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Someone’s in deep shit if it’s shown many 1000s of people have died when there was a cheap safe treatment available all along

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John B
John B
5 years ago

Newsflash from France:

« le ministre des Solidarités et de la Santé Olivier Véran a assuré que la France n’était « pas dans la deuxième vague du coronavirus »

Trans: Minister for Health has confirmed that France was not having a second wave.

Someone tell BoJo the Clown in No 10.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  John B

I highly doubt the PM really believes we will have a second wave of any great significance. It just suits him to talk about it. I may be wrong, but it seems implausible.

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Of course he doesn’t. It’s all about covering his ar@e regarding the quarantine decision. He’s at odds with what the WHO are saying too.

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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

It’s all about covering his big fat one for i) Not stopping flights from Italy and Spain when it could have helped, ii) Moving elderly, ill patients out of hospitals into care homes leading directly to the majority of deaths WITH Covid, and iii) listening to known Charlatan and hyper sensational doom merchant Ferguson and initiating the idiotic and destructive lockdown. Everything he and his clownish Government say and do now is all about deflection from those three critical errors (amongst many others). They are trying to ensure the narrative that WE are to blame, by insisting on Face Masks, putting in place illogical and pointless quarantine and travel bans, Social Distancing and all the other idiotic paraphernalia. They clocked on very early that the thick as mince and/or totally compliant MSM would put up no serious questioning, and all he/they had to do was ramp it up as far as possible and they would lap it up. The ‘Second Wave’ is a comple fiction which has landed in his lap from the MSM and sensationalist medics. They can now tell us that it was only their brave and wise decisions that saw it off and saved millions of lives… Read more »

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

Neil Fergusson has saved eleventeen thousand cats’ lives…

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Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

I think the foul “Professor” Ferguson would need those lives for himself if he came across people who weren’t allowed to even say goodbye to a dying relative.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

A slight point I’d make is that the media has driven government policy from the beginning (presumably because they think that the media represents the popular view, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary over the past 5 years), and as soon as the government implemented what the media were demanding, the media changed tack. Before lockdown: we need to lockdown now! After lockdown: how long will lockdown be for?! or: Lockdown needs to be harsher!
Before masks: Make masks mandatory! After masks, either: They need to be mandatory in more places! or: When will we no longer have to wear masks?!

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

I agree, and this is interesting because according to Mason Mills, the government are planning imminent action as regards the BBC – this despite the BBC seeming to have driven policy/regulations that the government seem clearly to have wanted.. So I don’t see why the government have on the one hand allowed/encouraged this, but yet now say they plan to rein in the BBC… What am I missing?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Surely, it’s a simple case of HMG blackmailing the beeb. Print covid fear porn – or else …

Remember how they handled the beeb journalists during the election, turned them into Tory lackeys. One of the only clearly declared things in the Tory manifesto was their intention to decimate the beeb.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I doubt it – the media leads the government, not the reverse, and it’s a left wing fallacy that they’re in cahoots (odd word, I must remember to look up the origin). The BBC is only too glad to run endless death porn as it makes the government look bad (not that they need any help…)

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

“ odd word, I must remember to look up the origin”
One of those where nobody really knows. Sorry.

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Major Panic
Major Panic
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

As the cartoon shows – he’s got his chart upsidedown

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There was some expert on something today or yesterday -yes he was that impressive I remembered so little – anyway he was saying waves are not what he prefers, he prefers spikes. Plenty of spikes this expert says will come, but not a wave. He was some big wig dribblista.
You’ve probably all discussed him before.

Why I mention is there may come a shift from waves to spikes.

Geez. 2020.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Easier to fabricate a spike than a wave, just create spikes all the time and say they threaten a wave unless we act now

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

By George, you’re right! 🙂

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Wave requires large scale collusiin across continents.

Billiam arm flap gates seems to be loosing his rag… see the latest heningsen twitter video on this tread.

Are we seeing an on the hoof move in plan?

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Could have been David Nabarro, “WHO Special Envoy on Covid”, who is obviously completely impartial and very fond of spikes.

https://extra.ie/2020/07/28/news/irish-news/david-nabarro-who-schools-ireland

Notes on impartiality:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/gates-foundation-donations-to-who-nearly-match-those-from-us-government

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

It was him! This thread never beaten! The most vague fragment reveals information and often relations and histories. Thanks!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  John B

There was a famous clown in the USA called Bozo the Clown. I wonder if they are related?

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago

Moved over from earlier: Out and about with the wife, both of us maskless all the time. She now actually asks me before we leave the house if i have my badge on, before she didn’t care. Now she puts ear’s on and reminds me. Few downer observations: Apart from us only 1 other person unmasked – highlights below in the outdoor shopping area at Trentham gardens it’s amazing how many people do not know the meaning of the word enclosed and masked up all the time every shop had a Trentham Estates A4 notice in the window about masks being required, only 1 had any reference to exemptions and thats as handwritten and said “under 11s exempt”. It was a really nasty shopping experience with all the signs and warnings and empty units. Trentham may get a letter about our experience which left them life really despondent it was that bad after I ahem a few beers and the creative juices start flowing. Lots of child abuse happening with children in pushchairs in masks sad to see a group of young teen girls walking about with matching handbags, muzzles and hair bands as if they were fashion accessories. Lots… Read more »

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Every smile is a poke in THEIR eye.
Take THAT, Matt the Death. Take THAT, Fetida Dickhead.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Today I had an appointment for a 3 month overdue B12 jab at the GP surgery. Spoke to two women in the queue outside, one over 70, and both said they were fed up with masks and can’t wait till we can stop wearing them.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I hope you educated them!

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I love that – she’s not wearing a mask because the nazis didn’t win the war!

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Riffman
Riffman
5 years ago

Last couple of days I’ve been looking at DailyvMail headlines, and in particular comments. Today was about the dreaded 2nd wave, so I wrote an appropriate comment. I was truly amazed at the consensus of agreement and ferocity of the vast majority of fellow contributors. It was almost like being on LS, the tide IS turning!
Might I suggest as many of us as possible find as many appropriate articles as we can to comment on via their site? It would at least add useful ammo to the cause we all care about so much.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Riffman

Yesterday was the opposite on the Spanish nonsense – guess it depends on how much the 77th and 13th Signals are paying attention and if the censorbot is busy.

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Riffman
Riffman
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Yea I saw that too, my 4th day of imprisonment after we dared go on holiday to Tenerife. I think a lot of that might just be envy they didn’t have the guts to do it themselves? Today is the sudden realisation they’re gonna all get Locked(f…ed!) up on this one. Penny is dropping ‘sheeple’!

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chris
chris
5 years ago

Immunology Prof Beda Stadler: we have reached herd immunity and masks for all make no sense, plus lots more super interesting info: https://youtu.be/GBRcK-od50Q
“We have replaced sxience with a medieval believe system”

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago
Reply to  chris

He talks a lot of sense. The Swiss version of Dr John Lee.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  chris

We have. Surprised the Flagellants haven’t reappeared yet. Oh, wait, muzzles…

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago

Cause the masks don’t work
They just make you worse

But I
Know I’ll see your face again

One for that guy who did the majestical Sunglasses At Night parody

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Ashcroft probably looks better with a muzzle.

Thinking about it, that video could be remade with hordes of masked people desparately trying to avoid an unmuzzled Ashcroft.

Edit: memory failure, I was thinking of the Bittersweet Symphony Video

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RDawg
RDawg
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

That’s so bizarre. I was thinking this morning about this exact same song – and changing the words as you have done. Great minds eh?

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Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Maybe antisocial distancing is creating psychic connections between sceptics ;P

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

“Shielded” groups feeling lonely in their isolation? Never mind, we have a new solution.

No, not social contact – god forbid!

It’s ….. ta-dah! …..
A robot!

From the DT live.

Now, after a surge in loneliness among vulnerable groups during the coronavirus pandemic, this robot’s potential as a companion have earned her a role in a Scottish university’s assisted living experiment with artificial intelligence.
Scientists at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh have programmed robots, including Pepper – who was launched as the world’s first humanoid in Japan in 2014 – to perform tasks normally carried out by care workers.
“We are specifically interested in understanding the needs of the most vulnerable at this time and what technology could be used to make their lives better,” Mauro Dragone, the project’s lead scientist, said.
…. “Successful innovation in the field is crucial to alleviate the strain on health and social care services.”

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

You wonder if the human race really deserves the gift of life sometimes, present company excepted

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I wish I was a dog, or a goldfish or something. Anything but human.

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matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

There’s a simple test to check whether you’re either of those things. Two questions:
1) Have you already forgotten writing the post above?
2) have you eaten (or rolled in) someone (or something) else’s poo in the last 48 hours?

If the answer to both of those questions is “no”, you are neither a dog, nor a goldfish.

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

You’ve got me seriously worried. I think I rolled in something malodorous this afternoon but can’t remember what. All I know is that my scales are smelly.

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DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Are you perhaps a dogfish?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Ta daa indeed. Long has it been up the sleeve. Foreseeing this very day of isolated people how could they have known.

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Albie
Albie
5 years ago

If you ever speak to a mask zealot ask them if only people with a wheelchair or visible walking difficulties should be allowed to use a disabled parking space. They will probably say no and point out many have hidden disabilities or words to that effect. You’ve hopefully made them think about pointing the finger.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Good idea!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

If you grab the pointing finger and bend it backwards towards the wrist, I find they always think before pointing next time.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Point one finger, three point back at you!

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