8pm Curfew Imposed in Melbourne by Power-Crazed Premier

After reading yesterday’s “Postcard From Melbourne” I didn’t think things could get any worse in the capital of Victoria. But yesterday the power-crazed Premier of the state – Daniel Andrews, known as Kim Jong Dan – announced tough new “Stage 4” restrictions in metropolitan Melbourne, including an 8pm curfew. This looks like another instance of what I’ll call the “collapsing skyscraper” rule of this unending catastrophe. Being in lockdown is like falling through a collapsing skyscraper. Every time you think you’ve come to the bottom and your feet have found solid ground, the floor gives way again.
Here is a list of the “Stage 4” measures introduced from 6pm yesterday and due to last for six weeks:
- The “state of emergency” in Victoria has been upgraded to a “state of disaster”, meaning police can now enter your home to carry out spot checks even if you don’t give them permission and they don’t have a warrant.
- Between the hours of 8pm and 5am, you’re not allowed to leave your homes except for work, medical care and caregiving.
- Outside those hours, you may only leave your home for four reasons: shopping for food and essential items, care and caregiving, daily exercise and work. “We can no longer have people simply out and about for no good reason whatsoever,” said Kim Jong Dan.
- Daily exercise can only take place within a 5km radius of your home and cannot last longer than an hour.
- You cannot exercise in groups of more than two, even if they’re members of the same household.
- Apart from daily exercise, you are only allowed to leave your home once a day for essential supplies and food.
- In the whole of Victoria, you cannot buy more than two of certain essential items, including dairy, meat, vegetables, fish and toilet paper.
- Schools have closed again, with all Victoria school students returning to remote learning from Wednesday (except for vulnerable children and children of permitted workers). Childcare and kindergarten will be closed from Thursday.
- Golf and tennis venues, which were open, have now been closed.
- Weddings will no longer be allowed from Thursday, and funerals will be limited to 10 people.
- Face nappies anywhere outside your home have been mandatory for people in metropolitan Melbourne since July 22nd, but that rule has now been extended to the entire state of Victoria.
- You cannot have visitors or go to another person’s house unless it is for the purpose of giving or receiving care. However, you can leave your house to visit a person if you are in an “intimate personal relationship” with them, even during curfew hours. So no “bonk ban”.
- If you have a holiday home or were planning a holiday outside Melbourne, tough cheese. You must remain in the city for the next six weeks.
- The maximum fine for breaching a health order currently stands at $1,652, but Kim Jong Dan said he would have more to say about penalties later today, i.e. he’s going to increase them.
These measures were prompted by 671 new cases of coronavirus on Sunday and seven more deaths. That’s up from 295 new cases last Wednesday, but down from 723 on Friday. It was that spike on Friday – the highest daily total in Victoria to date – that prompted Kim Jong Dan to unveil the new restrictions yesterday.
But could the increase be due to a corresponding increase in testing? It certainly looks that way.

Victoria tested almost 43,000 on Sunday, July 26th, twice as many as on normal days, and the peak on Wednesday could be due to the few days delay before the results come through. In addition, a percentage of the positive results are likely due to the extensive contact tracing introduced in the past few weeks, with targeted testing of those who’ve been in contact with other infected people.
It looks like a familiar pattern: on the advice of public health officials, a political leader ramps up testing and introduces a track-and-trace programme, then, when the number of cases inevitably increases, the leader panics and introduces draconian new measures.
How long before bungling Boris introduces another new set of random restrictions here?
Stop Press: A “Major Incident” was declared in Greater Manchester yesterday in response to alleged increases in coronavirus infection rates across “multiple localities”. (Almost certainly an artefact of increased testing, as explained below.) Major Incidents are typically declared after a terror attack or natural disaster and mean a region can access extra national resources if necessary, with the police able to draft in the army if they need support. Looks like Manchester is in the frame to be the Melbourne of the UK.
Oxford Professor: Covid Cases in England Are Not Rising

Carl Heneghan has struck again. The Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford wrote a blog post yesterday in which he showed that the alleged increase in the number of infected people in England – the pretext for locking down four-and-a-half million people last week – is an artefact of increased testing.
First, he looks at the raw data which seems to show the number of positive cases in Pillar 1 (testing in healthcare settings) trending down and the number in Pillar 2 (community settings) trending up.

That alone is sufficient to demolish the case for imposing more restrictions – if an uptick in community cases isn’t resulting in an uptick in healthcare cases, then it’s nothing to worry about. But Prof Heneghan then goes on to show that the increase in the number of Pillar 2 positives is entirely a function of increased Pillar 2 testing.
However, what happens if you adjust for any change in testing over time? On July 1st – the seven day moving average of testing was 41,109 for Pillar 1 and 43,161 in Pillar 2. By July 31st, the Pillar, 1 seven day average for testing had increased to 49,543 (a 20% increase); while the Pillar 2 had risen by much more – by 82% to 78,522 tests.
The next graph shows what happens when you adjust for the number of tests done and then standardise to per 100,000 tests. Pillar 1 is seen to be still trending down, but Pillar 2 is now flatlining. The increase in the number of cases detected is likely due to the increase in testing in Pillar 2.

Prof Heneghan’s conclusion – typically understated – is that the Government doesn’t know its arse from its elbow.
Inaccuracies in the data and poor interpretation will often lead to errors in decisions about imposing restrictions, particularly if these decisions are done in haste and the interpretation does not account for fluctuations in the rates of testing.
Heneghan also gave an interview to the Telegraph‘s Science Editor Sarah Knapton yesterday in which he said the apparent increase in cases in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire disappears if you control for: (a) the date the tests were taken rather than when the results came through; and (b) the increase in Pillar 2 testing.
“The northern lockdown was a rash decision,” he said. “Where’s the rise? By date of test through July there’s no change if you factor in all the increased testing that’s going on.
“As areas are tested, like Oldham, then there’s a slight rise in detected cases, asymptomatics.
“It’s not clear if these are false positives, or if these folk have viable virus or just RNA fragments detected by a test threshold that picks up minute traces of RNA.
“While you get these small clusters, which will have been occurring for some time, they have not led to an overall increase in cases
“The Government needs to allow the local public health teams to do their job when localised clusters emerge.”
Mapping the coronavirus trend by result date appears to show a slight increase in cases over the past few weeks, but based on specimen date – a more reliable measure – cases appear to have plateaued and may even be falling.
Between July 22nd and July 29th the seven day rolling average of reported cases jumped between those two dates from 659 to 753 – 16.7%.
However, when judged by specimen date the seven day rolling average actually dropped from 641 to 442, a 31% decrease.
Any rise is also being skewed by a general increase in testing. The seven-day rolling average for tests carried out between July 22nd and July 29th jumped from 137,427 to 153,252 – an 11.5% increase, wiping out much of the increase.
“Why is no one checking this out at Government level?” added Prof Heneghan
“The specimen date is more reliable as the reporting data will be skewed by the delay in Pillar 2 testing reporting.”
Northern Lockdown Going Down Like Bucket of Cold Sick

A reader in one of the areas flattened by Boris’s “whack-a-mole” hammer has got in touch. Not quite as bleak as you’d think.
I’m in one of the areas recently “locked down” (BD20). We’re actually nowhere near the city of Bradford, but presumably the Government couldn’t be bothered to plot accurate maps so just lazily locked down the whole council tax area.
Some good news. Matt Hancock’s plea for household distancing has gone down like a bucket of cold sick! Everyone I know – and I mean everyone – intends to take no notice of the new rules. Crucially, unlike in March, even the previous lockdown zealots are now jumping ship. I visited my mother-in-law’s today with three generations of my family and it was totally different to March. No “sneaking around” needed. Gardens were full and people were happy to park cars outside and mingle freely as if nothing had been said. I think the penny is finally dropping. This will be forever if people go along with it this time.
The same can’t be said for local businesses, unfortunately, who have one again been thrown under a bus by these measures.
Anti-Mask Protest in Central London
Missed this yesterday, but there was an anti-mask protest in Central London on Saturday. Russia Today has the story.
Activists took to the streets of London a day after the UK cabinet expanded its guidelines for mandatory face coverings. The demonstration comes amid growing skepticism worldwide over the efficacy of such policies.
A large group of demonstrators assembled in Hyde Park on Saturday, where they listened to speeches denouncing the government’s anti-coronavirus measures. Piers Corbyn, brother of former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, was among the speakers.
Carrying placards reading “Stop the new normal, save lives,”“Freedom over fear,” and “Masks are muzzles,” the protesters then marched towards Downing Street, stopping outside BBC headquarters along the way.
Question From Reader About Legality of Remote GP Appointments

Can anyone answer these questions from a reader about the legality of restricting NHS care?
The Government revoked and replaced the Coronavirus Act 2020 with a pared down Part 2 on July 3rd. Matt Hancock announced that healthcare appointments would remain virtual/remote for the foreseeable future. I wondered if one of your clever readers might be able to explain what is and is not a legal requirement when it comes to the provision of NHS care? After all, when challenged, the Government said it never ordered schools to close, merely recommended it. Is this is a similar situation?
I ask because my elderly dad is 85 and his memory loss has rapidly accelerated under lockdown which is really affecting quality of life. He gets very flustered with technology – even phone calls make him anxious. We’ve had a specialist second opinion and the consultant wrote to the GP asking him to carry out some tests and to support my dad. His GP will not see him in person, only remotely, and only then when you’ve run the gauntlet of the terrifying receptionists to get a phone slot. We are in a small rural market town and in our county Covid cases and deaths have remained incredibly low – you’re more likely to be trampled to death by a herd of escaped cattle.
It seems extraordinary to me that a 20 GP mega-practice which serves the town and its huge hinterland can just close its doors, and ration and suspend services in this way. I’ve heard anecdotally of patients being asked to take photos of body parts and email or text them to the surgery, as they can’t be seen in person. Surely, that cannot be good medical practice, let along consistent with GDPR, or patients’ rights to confidentiality, privacy and dignity? One would hope that the Public Sector Equality Duty still applies, and GP practices are obliged to properly equality impact assess any provision. One would assume they have to properly risk assess it too (Covid not being the only risk!). If your GP practice is over-reaching and presenting guidance as law, what recourse do patients have? I know we were told we had to protect the NHS, but my dad has paid his taxes all his life. It seems really unjust that he’s getting such threadbare care.
If anyone knows the answers to any of these questions, please email here and I’ll publish them in due course.
News From Cornwall
I may have taken news reports of locals reacting badly to tourists in Cornwall too seriously yesterday. One reader currently on holiday in Cornwall with her 14 year-old daughter and partner says it’s actually not too bad.
In St Mawes all the guests, pubs and restaurants seem pretty sensible/chilled. We just had beers and chips at a pub and it was a mask-free zone even among staff, refreshingly. Posher joints such as Hotel Tresanton and the Idle Rocks are closing their restaurants to non-residents in the evenings, however… 🤷♀️
New Report Lays Bear Extent of Free Speech Crisis in Universities

Policy Exchange has published a report today, written by three members of the Free Speech Union’s Advisory Council, making clear the extent of the free speech crisis in Britain’s universities. Among the findings, based on extensive polling, are:
- Fewer than 20% of UK academics voted for right-leaning parties and about 75% voted for the Labour/Liberal Democrat/Green parties in 2017 and 2019.
- Only 54% of academics said that they would feel comfortable sitting next to a known Leave supporter at lunch.
- Just 37% would feel comfortable sitting next to someone who, in relation to transgender rights, advocates gender-critical feminist views.
- A third of academics would seek to avoid hiring a known Leave supporter, and between a third and a half of those reviewing a grant bid would mark it lower if it took a right-wing perspective.
- Among the small minority of academics who identify as “fairly right” or “right”, 32% have refrained from airing their views in teaching and research.
Having identified the problem – structural discrimination against academics with right-of-centre views – the authors propose a solution: an Academic Freedom Bill. This would provide for the following:
- Establish the position of a Director for Academic Freedom as a member of the senior team of the Office for Students, reporting to the Board of the OfS and appointed by the Education Secretary.
- Establish that universities and other Higher Education Providers (HEPs) have a direct duty to protect academic freedom.
- Establish that breaches of the duty of freedom of speech or of academic freedom are a tort in breach of a statutory duty, with HEPs being liable for damages for violating these duties.
- Expand the scope of activities which are protected beyond those specified by existing academic freedom legislation.
- Make it explicit in law that, in fulfilling both the public sector equality duty and the harassment provisions of the Equality Act 2010, HEPs are to have particular regard to the need to ensure academic freedom and freedom of speech.
- Extend the existing statutory duty to ensure freedom of speech to include Student Unions.
There’s much more in this excellent report. Worth reading in full.
And in case you’re worried about your own speech rights being violated, you can join the Free Speech Union here.
Postcard From Belgium

The postcards are coming in thick and fast. Yesterday, I published one from Melbourne – probably the bleakest yet, although it was written before the latest horrific “Stage 4” restrictions were imposed – and today I’m publishing one from Belgium. Sounds like it could give Melbourne a run for its money in the draconian lockdown stakes. Here’s an extract:
The madness was ratcheted up even further on July 28th. Initially, a group of 100 town mayors ganged up to impose mandatory mask wearing for pedestrians within their town centres. On the street, walking alone, or in a park within their jurisdictions, masks are now mandatory. Doubtless, the remaining 200 town mayors will follow with breathless urgency to keep everyone “safe”. Masks are now mandatory on beaches along the Belgian coast. And this, in a country that banned total or partial “face coverings” in 2011, the legality of which was upheld by the European Court of Human Rights when two Muslim women claimed it breached their “human rights”. The irony is stark.
There is zero pushback to this nonsense in Belgium. The news is dominated by rising rates of infection in Antwerp and other hot spots, without any data on hospital admissions, or the condition or age profile of the “infected”. A chemist, whom I had regarded as a sensible woman for over 20 years, told me mask wearing was important to “discipline the people”. A night out with a banker friend, who could usually be relied on as a comrade in arms, made me realise Belgium is lost. He was genuinely concerned for his personal safety, believed what he was being told by the media, and happily complied with his overlords. The guy I had known for decades was no more.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- ‘Universities are failing to protect academic freedom from the anti-free speech radicals‘ – Professor Vernon Bogdanor (my old politics tutor) raises the alarm about academic free speech, based on the Policy Exchange report, in today’s Telegraph
- ‘Covid’s nasty – there’s more to life than imprisoning ourselves‘ – Good comment piece by Professor Robert Dingwall in The Express
- ‘LOCKDOWN LUNACY 3.0: It’s over‘ – Latest blog post from JB Handley
- ‘Secrecy has harmed UK Government’s response to COVID-19 crisis, says top scientist‘ – Sir Paul Nurse says the Government’s lack of transparency when it comes to its apparently arbitrary, dart-throwing response to the ongoing crisis has undermined public trust
- ‘Covid deaths are actually falling off a cliff – now we’re dying of coronaphobia‘ – Robust column by Trevor Kavanagh in The Sun
- ‘Let’s not panic now – we CAN deal with this virus‘ – Strong piece by Professor Karol Sikora in The Mail
- ‘Are we all vulnerable now?‘ – Dave Clements in Spiked says our exaggerated sense of vulnerability has driven us to catastrophe
- ‘The lockdown debate has morphed into a rerun of the Brexit wars‘ – Christopher Snowdon claims there’s a lot of overlap between arch Brexiteers and lockdown sceptics. I get top billing, alongside James Delinpole, Dan Hannan and Peter Hitchens
- ‘A realistic fear‘ – More psychological insight from Dr Hugh Willbourn
- ‘Is the Church of England determined to kill off the parish church?‘ – Giles Fraser laments the CofE’s pathetic response to the crisis
- ‘The cure to irrational Covid fear is a dose of healthy conservatism‘ – On-the-money Telegraph column by Tim Stanley
- ‘Ministers face backlash over plans to extend the shielding programme to over-50s this winter‘ – Tory MPs and business leaders warn the Government that telling over-50s to stay at home risks damaging the economy and runs contrary to Boris Johnson’s plea to get workers back to the office
- ‘Did Lockdown Work? An Economist’s Cross-Country Comparison‘ – New paper by Swedish economist Christian Bjørnskov looking at whether there’s an inverse correlation between the severity of a country’s lockdown policies and Covid mortality. Answer: No.
- ‘Antibody tests do not pick up people who had mild coronavirus, Oxford study suggests‘ – More confirmation that antibody tests don’t measure extent of immunity that’s already been acquired
- ‘Some India slums “may have reached herd immunity”, study finds‘ – About six in 10 people living in some of Mumbai’s biggest slums have antibodies, according to a new study
- ‘Thousands of maskless Germans protest COVID-19 rules in Berlin‘ – New York Post report on Berlin protest increases attendance figure to 17,000
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Two today: “Sons of Liberty” by Frank Turner and “Don’t Believe a Word” by Thin Lizzy.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Forums Back Up and Running
I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open. Initially, they became a spam magnet so we temporarily closed them. However, we’ve found a team of people wiling to serve as moderators so the Forums are back up and running. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here (a bit like the one above) and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between August 20th and 29th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here and an NHS exemption notice for just £2.99 from Etsy here (although when I last checked, it was no longer available).
And don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
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Hi all
Still tweaking my idea.
https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/i-have-an-idea-let-me-know-what-you-think
Which do you like MORE?
WE WILL BE FREE
OR
WAKE UP BE FREE
Thanks
LT
WE WILL BE FREE works for me
Wake up be freeis what I`d go forBe free.
We will BE FREE
Wake up BE FREE
BE FREE.
Don’t know where I’m going with that. Be free has a nice ring coukd it be interchangeable. Could groups affiliating ‘pre-tag’ … such and such BE FREE.
Overly complex perhaps.
Wake Up is effectively saying “you’re an idiot”
We Will is more inclusive
Lol
I prefer the latter. WE WILL BE FREE puts that firmly in the future – which makes it a little too distant for me
A thought, but possibly not suitable for your plans, Live Life. Be Free – or vice versa.
WE WILL BE FREE
Right now we are not free, we don’t need to wake up…
I know but the majority do 🙁
Good luck trying to reason with the majority… :
Simon Dolan could buy billboards mocking them..
You can’t reason with whom has a plan to kill you…
Haha that’s a great saying!
Just adding a tip:
My wife is a state worker and give me the usual: what is the big problem using a mask?
The only way I reasoned with her was pointing out that the muzzles use extendend to everyone, could lead to higyene problems, people can’t afford to buy etc etc… and that she could end breathing a cocktail of virus and bacterias from the sourrounding shopers rotten masks.
worked as a charm…
by the way an Oxford circus led panel bitching people about: ‘When was the last time you changed your muzzle? You naugty little dirty pig’
/ sorry for the english I’m from Lisbon
Here i am with the novel suggestions. How about: “You’re free. Just wake up.”
How about just reminding people…
YOU ARE FREE
or
YOU ARE NOT FREE!
Now we are talking!
This is false.
Live from whatever freedom you have NOW – if you value freedom. Just because you cant DO what you want and can blame this on whatever – does not mean you are not alive, conscious and able to both give and receive the meaning that you accept as true.
But while you seek freedom somewhere or somewhen else – you are acting from belief in un-freedom and grievance and reinforcing it.
Look at it another way – how you live and die is within a relam of freedom to experience. You are unique – or you can mask in the herd as if freedom from being singled out is in fact freedom to be who you truly are.
You are also free to feel all that you feel and uncover your part in generating the result.
I appreciate the circumstance is one of great or deep disturbance.
Hmm. I like WAKE UP BE FREE. It’s immediate and makes you think. “Who, me? Am I asleep?” . “We will be free” is a bit more “yeah, yeah, OK, and then again, the way things are going, maybe we won’t”.
I really like the caged bird logo, btw.
Thanks.
You get what I mean about the wake up angle.
How about The Who ‘I’m Free and I’m waiting for you to follow me’…
…and freedom tastes, of reality!
Hurray for The Who, not the WHO.
I may go with We Will Be Free as even if everyone wakes up we may still have to fight for our freedom!
I applaud your efforts. Unfortunately some sheep don’t read anything anti covid but just swallow the propaganda. I’m not sure that many people will identify the artwork and wording as an anti lockdown movement. It’s not clear enough. Sorry!
I’d go for number 2
I love it, tell me where to sign. Need a London chapter?
Consider yourself signed up! Which part of London are you in? We have SW covered. Email me at mail (at) lockdowntruth.org
Thanks
But that SW isn’t set in stone it could be made more local if you were in SW too. Or you could oversee the whole of London!
FREEDOM !
(Why faff about ?)
It might get confused with the Wham! song…
Take these lies and make them true – somehow.
Is the problem.
But seeing it clearly is the release of lies as a basis for truth – and truth of itself is the answer.
Only by those who have a clue what that is … 🙂
(I’m forever blowing bubbles ?)
I said on yesterday’s update that you’re nicking this (We will be free) from RDawg who has done invaluable work here and on Twitter (even brave enough to publish a photo of himself with Dellingpole.) Please don’t queer his patch.
I have cleared this with RDawg.
So technically your post is very insulting.
How is it technically insulting? Is that different from other insulting? And how would I know you’d cleared it with him? Maybe, technically, you’ve just thrown a tantrum
Hold up guys. Last thing I want is an argument. Remember, we are all on the same side 😉
Bella, thank you for pointing this out and for sticking up for me. Lockdown did contact me yesterday and ask if we could join forces. We have come to a provisional agreement.
Personally I’m not too concerned about the name being used elsewhere/duplicates. My endgame has always been to get the message out by as many means as possible in order to instigate change. I don’t have the means to set up a website and put as much time in as I’d like. I’ve also (regrettably) had to remove all posts with my photo from my Twitter profile because I was getting a lot of personal abuse.
Funnily enough I was actually thinking about changing the name of my Twitter profile anyway. I have a few ideas up my sleeve…
XTC recorded a song in the 80s titled ‘Wake Up’.
Both:
WE WILL WAKE UP AND BE FREE
I still quite like “Our Lives, Our Futures” or “Lives B4 Lies”.
Really hard to get a catchy name that everyone likes.
My favourite one so far has been “Us For Them” which is the schools campaign to prevent masks being made mandatory for pupils.
Go with your gut/ instincts.
How about “Take Back Your Freedom!”
WAKE UP BE FREE…. if it offends them and makes them feel like fucking morons, good. They should feel like fucking morons.
Reject fear
chose freedom
live life
Fear is the virus
Sorry but this entire slogan is nonsensical to anyone other than a committed lockdown sceptic – the whole point is that covid enthusiasts think they ARE free and any restrictions are temporary and entirely justified. They could tout a similar slogan against sceptics – WAKE UP, BE RESPONSIBLE. How would you feel if you read that? That being a sceptic makes you irresponsible?
By all means go ahead if you believe pinning your colours to a tribal mast is what you want to achieve – but if it’s changing hearts and minds then something less confrontational is much more likely to succeed.
You mustn’t use the future tense, because tomorrow never comes. In order to manifest a desire you have to put the desire into the present, so I would say; “WE ARE NOT SLAVES; WE ARE FREE.”
Just my thoughts.
Toby … Correction on your 4 Yorkshiremen. That photo is from “At Last the 1948 Show” which predates Monty Python. Cleese Chapman, Feldman and Brooke Taylor .
We Yorkshiremen take our cultural references seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nL6isGPhzk
Aye up – younger then as well!
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now
I also believe it was written by the late great Tim Brooke-Taylor and therefore is totally unrelated to Monty Python.
The Winton Centre for Maths at Cambridge University published some interesting data recently. Amongst other things it showed that up until July 3rd 15 people under the age of 19 had died with the coronavirus but also that in 2014/15 116 people under 19 had died of flu.
The new test that can identify the presence of coronavirus also can detect the presence of flu virus.
What are the odds that come this winter we’ll have the prospect of schools being closed and towns lockeddown because there’s a spike in flu virus?
In 2017/18 there were 50,000 excess deaths due, mainly, to flu. In Leicester the city was shut down, I don’t believe there was any increase in hospital admissions, no increase in deaths, if it was OK to shut a city down in those circumstances how much more likely for flu? Where does it end?
Indeed
Large portions of the human race, predominantly in rich countries, seem to have an utterly bizarre idea of what life is all about
I want nothing to do with them any more
I agree. The Romans talked of supplying the masses with “bread and circuses” to keep them happy and docile. Bread and circuses has now become Deliveroo and Netflix – but the truth of that phrase has never been more apparent.
And will have the same ultimate end. We even have a version of barbarians at the gates!
It’s alright – I saw a Roman Centurion marching through Chester today – he’ll sort them out. He was wearing a facemask – which I don’t think is entirely historically accurate.
I agree Nick. I’m really dreading next winter. People are going to be paranoid about catching anything, let alone COVID. Anyone with the sniffles will be told to isolate until spring. 2022.
Toby – re the story above about FoS and Academic Freedom Bill. Wouldn’t it be nice if it was made law that any “Diversity” role appointee in FE (or ideally in any institution) was also made responsible for upholding the concept of “diversity of thought” .. i.e Freedom of Speech within that institution. Would be fun to see them tying each other and themselves in knots (i.e the old woke “what do we do if a muslim is not nice to a gay person” dilemma)
That calendar in Toby’s blog says it all, we have lost months of freedom.
And there’s plenty more to come!
Indeed.
Patrick O’Flynn article in The Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/03/plot-afoot-against-heavy-handed-covid-schemes-like-shielding/
This is the most popular comment on the article – I especially like the closing sentences:
‘8 people died of Covid this weekend, shall I say that again 8 people, even then half of them probably really died from one of those reasons mentioned above. And the Government is seriously considering incarcerating half the population for this when more people are dying through lack of any treatment from the NHS, which has closed down to focus on Covid!
Get a grip and get this country working again. And the Government can stick their germ ridden face rags where the sun doesn’t shine.’
I find the situation in Australia really worrying. Previously we’ve been able to say, Spain never totally got rid of fascism, and most countries on the European continent have a Napoleonic legal system, etc etc. But I always thought Australia had a tradition of freedom largely derived from the UK. So if oppressive authoritarian dictatorship can take over there, the same could happen here. The fundamental problem seems to be that most of the population accept or even welcome this as a necessary reaction to the perceived problem of Covid-19. Analogies with Nazi Germany are often overdone, but most Germans welcomed Hitler as a strong leader whom they saw as the man to deal with the problems of that time. We know how that worked out.
Australia does indeed look particularly scary. I have been watching the dissent into authoritarianism on “The Crowhouse” channel. I didn’t think the Australians would go along with this but they have completely brought into the new plague narrative, then again I didn’t think the UK would either!
Agreed. I thought Australians wouldn’t put up with this nonsense. Quite shocked.
Australia has been uber-woke for quite a while, though.
Some areas are at the forefront of mandating vaccines.
I am completely taken aback at how completely the Australians have bought into the narrative (I am from Melbourne myself) The fact that we have meekly accepted the most draconian of all lockdowns is all the more surprising, considering we have been one of the least affected countries. I can’t help but wonder if the fact that we are so compliant has made us a sort of “test case ” for how far this can go.
Storm Government House and forcefully remove all the deplorables inside it.
Nat if you read this, do you know of any groups of lockdown skeptics in Australia? I’m from Australia too and feel very isolated by the madness of all this.
Not in Australia but at least Down Under – in NZ. Happy to make contact.
Hi Trish. I’d love to have some interaction with anyone down in this part of the planet who objects to what is going on. Do you know of any online places where people like us congregate? There are a few Australians on Off-Guardian, but generally it seems like the number of skeptics in Australia is really tiny. My impression of New Zealand is that it’s the same.
Find me on a FB group I have started up called NZers Border Strategies Discussion Group. We can make contact that way and go from there. If you don’t use FB we can think of another way.
Oh good for you taking action on that front. I’m not on FB, though.
Unfortunately I don’t Sally. I haven’t seen any dissent in the media either but will have a careful look and post here if I find anything. Today I am going to be post comments under articles about the Victoria infection rates, about the increase in testing.
Thanks for replying, Nat. Nice to have some Antipodean input here, anyway. Good luck with everything going on in Victoria. I’m not in Victoria, but I fear that the rest of the country will eventually endure what you’re experiencing. The constant eradication talk is just a tragic delusion.
/r/lockdownskeptics on Reddit. There isn’t any dissent in Aus media apart from SkyNews but that’s not exactly a respected source of news. I commented on articles as well but they won’t listen.
So am I. Only on Reddit /r/lockdownskeptics
I think history has conveniently eroded the extent to which fascism had sympathy here in Britain in the 30s and how seriously a deal with Hitler was considered. I wouldn’t underestimate the strength of “law and order” sentiment in this country. Proof is in the many little commisars around only to eager to remind you of the rules.
Yes, I think it was almost mainstream in the 1930s to think “In these troublesome times we need a strong leader”. In the UK some people took that view but with our traditionally irreverent attitudes to people in power Oswald Mosley was seen as a somewhat ridiculous figure and never came close to serious political power. Maybe the same attitude to Johnson will save us. A deal with Hitler was undoubtedly considered in high places and might have happened if he had been less crazy. (Questions for debate: Was Hitler clinically insane? Is Johnson clinically insane?)
The supposedly liberal and freedom valuing Anglo-Saxon countries are the real, huge disappointment in this whole saga.
I was amazed by all the articles last week criticising Belarus (agitating for regime change) – I know the leadership isn’t ideal – but it has been one of the most free countries in the Europe this year. The West can hardly attack other countries on civil liberties any more, the US ‘land of the free’ has been particularly dreadful.
I don’t know much about Belarus and my gut feel is that I wouldn’t like it there much, and I used to love England very deeply, but honestly right now very little else matters to me, because our govt and many citizens have utterly lost the plot and want to live some alien form of life that isn’t for me
The US of A is what it says, a collection of 50-odd different governments.
The legal makeup of the country is a federation of states.
That is one reason why the covid=related railing against Trump is basically pointless.
What Trump should do is fire Fauci and hire someone sensible to weigh all the science and initiate an adult debate in the media about exactly what different statistics, studies on mask effectiveness, studies on different medications actually mean.
But the media are owned by factions who like things just as they are.
The mainstream media are happy spreading the panic narrative.
If anyone has noticed its ‘free’ western nations where this is happening. I don’t know of any country (I’m not including China) outside the ‘free’ west where governments are still behaving like this. When will people understand that THEY have the power of numbers to overwhelm their tinpot would be dictators?
Interesting to note that China never locked down as a country (just the one province, though very stringently), and that it no longer requires masks in places like cinemas in its bid to return to normality!
FAR more interesting to note that no province outside Hubei got the ‘virus’ in meaningful numbers at any point this year.
Those ‘free’ nations are the main target of this operation.
What I see here (Portugal) is that all the ‘establishment’ parties are in the lockdown muzzles etc narrative… the media was bought again with fresh 13 mil state advertizing money, the pensions were raised, public workers got a raise too.
In my own opinion they can’t do otherwise or the IMFs ECBs would stop lending with bullshit interest rates; to cut it short all this clown act is above prime ministers paygrade.
Remember the stock markets implosion some days before european lockdowns and your pound also took a beating before Boris did some 180º turn…
This is all way much to bad for most people to accept what is happening…
( I follow UK close because I have two kids working and studying in London)
Boris J and his white associates advised by the white SAGE committee with input from middle aged white academics (Fergusson) instituted a lockdown which specifically killed blacks and minorities and saved the high-income white neighbourhood.
Do you think this could be true and that it should be in the papers with this headline?
Perhaps it should, look at this graph
https://twitter.com/jyangstar/status/1289940943462895616
This is a graph to be shown for PC minded . Lockdown in Ontario reduces C-19 for rich white areas
“Lockdown *instantly* flattened the curve for Toronto richest/whitest areas. For poorest/most racialized (top 2 lines), it kept rising.”
Intuitively it makes sense. Minorities are over represented in the essential services but most importantly live in small spaces in a multi-generational households.C-19 spreads best in household. Can you think of a better way for a virus to spread if you lock in these households together for weeks in a lockdown? I can’t.
We will of course not see these headlines and MSM will stop all this information. But how long can Labour keep silent about the Public Health Disaster of the lockdowns?
I normally disapprove of politicians abusing race to gain political advantage, but there may be something in this, and even if there isn’t, anything that hurts our enemies works for me right now.
Agree but this was irony but the facts are interesting
Doesn’t quite fit with them at the same time facilitating the Channel migrant taxi service..
I tried pointing this out to friends at the start of lockdown, as well as the other problems it would cause. 6 months later and I feel I may have brain damage from banging my head against the wall.
I’m Cornish (Newquay area) and did my weekly shop at Aldi last week. Not many people in the store, one other without a mask and no glares or reaction from the mask wearers. I won’t use Morrisons or Sainsbury’s as I’ve been ticked off by both of them for minor infractions of the ‘rules’ before masks came in!
I haven’t been in the centre of town but am happy to report (from what I’ve heard) that most people are ignoring all the social distancing rules – much to my sister’s disgust!.
Can’t read the Christopher Snowden article above about this being a rerun of the Brexit wars as it’s behind a paywall, but it has struck me that, in many ways, the Brexit Debate was similar to what we are going through now. I voted leave. I was living in Spain at the time and sent off for a postal vote. Whenever I met with friends or came to the U.K. for a visit, it was very difficult to be a Brexiteer. It was like admitting that you were an ardent racist or child molester. You were shouted down immediately and had to defend yourself vigorously. Then came the referendum and all the closet Brexiteers came out of their closets to vote leave. No-one was more surprised than me that leave won.
I just hope that something similar happens this time with Coronavirus and that all the lockdown sceptics are just waiting for a chance to emerge maskless from their closets and surprise me again-hopefully sooner rather than later. Am I being too optimistic?
I keep hoping the same Margaret. I experienced this with Brexit too, everyone apart from my office colleagues were for staying in the EU, everything posted on social media was about what a disaster it would be if we left etc etc.
And the same is happening with this. What worries me with this is how it’s really dividing people up and due to the fear the government has put out we don’t need divisions, ideally we need unity. But as everyone for lockdowns, masks, social distancing etc I can’t see an easy end to this.
I think it’s much much worse than Brexit. The stakes are way higher, and it’s global. And the fear factor is higher because people think their lives are at risk.
Ideally we’d all stay and fight. If you can’t stomach that, I guess leaving the country for somewhere saner is an option, if you’re able. The third option is to take a happy pill and forget about it all, but I don’t think there’s a pill strong enough to make me think it’s not all madness.
Yep, the single worst ‘enemy’ we face is the fear of instant death posessed by the sheep. Although it’s completely misguided, it’s real to them, and that’s a powerful motivator.
I am pretty convinced there are a LOT of people who really aren’t personally scared now, if they ever were, but they think it’s all going to go away soon and that there’s some threat than requires an extraordinary response – they just don’t connect stuff because they are apathetic and well fed
Sadly, the Leave voters were, and are still being, ignored. Rather like real science is just now.
I was a staunch Remainer…. not ignoring Leavers anymore. In fact, if we had to vote again, I am really uncertain whether I would vote Leave or Remain.
I think this will be a slower awakening. But I believe it will come.
Exactly the same here.
The expat remainers, the vast majority, almost to a (wo)man, are the new muzzle fanatics.
Even mild expression of a contrary view risks ostracism.
But they are certain all will be back to normal “When we get The Vaccine”.
I didn’t consider in increase new cases of coronavirus in Melbourne could be is due to a corresponding increase in testing – thank you for that thought Toby.
I can’t help but think that means the Government has the ability can increase the number of cases at whim to keep the public compliant. If that’s the case, it is certainly working. The response to the number of daily deaths is a source of panic and despair for everyone I know, and they are terrified to leave their homes for even the time allowed for exercise.
“There were seven deaths yesterday. Seven !”
I wonder what they think kept funeral parlours busy in pre – covid times ?
All over 70 and I don’t know what their comorbidities were if any.
Where do you usually get your “news”?
Less and less from the mainstream media !
That’s better and better for your sanity! Just look what listening to the MSM does to your (and our) compatriots.
“that means the Government has the ability can increase the number of cases at whim to keep the public compliant” Absolutely. That is exactly what our and other governments are doing. Even the BBC’s Newsnight said this (not the compliance bit, but the rest).
And we now know they’re harvesting DNA at the same time and likely making a database to give to Palantir..
Just a reminder that it’s flu season in Australia now…
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Just had a FOI request back from a local council and it is very interesting. Either they have deliberately given me incorrect answers or do not know the relevant legislation or are trying o shirk responsibility and bounce it back to central Government. The question was about them not using the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 to enforce business restrictions but verbally browbeating small business owners into thinking the verbal discussions on guidelines was all. Their answers: 1. The name of the “proper person” that is designated for this role. Public Health England (PHE) not the Local Authority. In the act it keeps mentioning “proper person”a nd local authorities”, not PHE. E.g.: Authorities administering Act(1) Subject to subsection (4) below, it shall be the duty of each of the following authorities— (a) a district council, (b) a London borough council, (c) the Common Council of the City of London, and (d) the Sub-Treasurer of the Inner Temple and the Under Treasurer of the Middle Temple, to carry this Act into execution in their district. (2) In this Act, except where it is otherwise expressly provided, ” local authority ” means an authority mentioned in subsection (1) above. 2.… Read more »
Just fired this off to the council: Thank you for the response to the FOI request TWC-55243 but your answers are incorrect and are not in line with the legislation so the Council needs to address this serious matter. Question 1: Q – The name of the “proper person” that is designated for this role. A – Public Health England (PHE) not the Local Authority. Under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 that the original question from myself was in relation to, Public Health England is NOT responsible for enforcement, it clearly states in many places “The local authority shall give notice” not Public Health England or “On the application of the proper officer of the local authority for any district” Questions 2 and 3 have the same answer. Q – How many notices has this person issued. Q – The names of the Justices of the Peace who countersigned the notices. A – In response to questions 2 and 3; we do not hold this information as PHE is the proper officer. Under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 that the original question from myself was in relation to Public Health England is NOT responsible for enforcement, it… Read more »
formidable!
This is gold, would you also send this to Toby and post it in the forum? I think what we need to do is collate all these, so when we have the accurate information we can create templates, then everyone here, just fires a letter off to their local council, or CCG or whoever, and we start making a nuisance of ourselves. I think you are right and the gov kicked it back to the local authority (Simon Dolan had a hair dresser shared on twitter, who did this and got them to admit they had no authority to enforce anything and she’s trading with no restrictions). Sounds boring, but letter writing really changes things. I’m the person who asked about NHS appointments today in the update, I really am determined to get to the bottom of where the suspension of local NHS medical apts is coming from, and who is accountable.
Bec, I don’t know whether this is helpful or not, but the other day I had a letter from my GP Practice which said that they wanted to let me know of a service they are providing with “SDHC” – our local “GP Federation”. “Livi is a video GP mobile app that is available on the NHS to patients of this practice” it goes on about how to get the app and what it does which is apparently an “easy way to get a same-day NHS GP appointment” (note it doesn’t say you see your own GP) and enables seeing the GP by video. Then it ends with “If you prefer to book an appointment directly with the practice you can still contact us through all the normal channels”. (phew, that’s ok then).
So, it seems that maybe the GPs are all interpreting things differently. I havent tried to make a face to face appointment as I don’t need one, so to be honest I am not sure whether that would be as normal or not.
Thanks, yes that’s what I’m trying to find out, where does the buck stop and who is responsible for risk assessing and equality impact assessing these services before they decide on service structure. It seems mad to me that doctors just stop offering proper appointments, that surely means someone somewhere did a risk assessment and decided the risk of covid was so grave, the attendant drop in quality and breadth of services was justified. If that falls on the individual GP (it surely must???) then it’s quite simple to terrify them into offering proper services, once we’ve got our facts straight.
Stephen at Law or Fiction isn’t very interested in the law of risk assessment
*IS very interested
Why does spellchecker change is to isn’t? Reversing the meaning of the sentence?!!
It just changed does to doesn’t as well!!
haha, I’ve emailed them, no reply yet, but I put a comment on their risk assessment piece and it was awaiting moderation, and when I looked today it’s removed. So dunno, maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree?
Disable it. Look in a dictionary instead.
This REAKS of a Matt Handjob conflict of interest.
Isn’t he involved with lots of health apps financially?
Wouldn’t it be great for him to get an NHS contract for one or more of them?
Needs investigating – he cannot be impartial if he has financial interests in all developments of new tech like apps..
Reeks.
Conflict of interest.
From within, it’s apparent that the NHS management is trying to stop me seeing patients by not giving me clinic rooms and by trying to force phone appointments only. You can’t safely medically assess and diagnose a patient over the phone, assuming they are even able to talk and understand, and this applies perhaps even more so in a hospital setting where patients have been referred by their GP’s for specialist assessment. In terms of accountability, you can bet any fallout will come to me and not the management. I’m failing to understand why they want to reduce the quality of the service, and stop previously admired services such as joint clinics between professionals for example. It is heartbreaking, and patients will come to harm. I have even resorted to seeing urgent patients in the car park or corridors, and am becoming unpopular for questioning the “direction of travel”.
Just fyi, “antigen PCR test” is the (scientifically inaccurate) name that officials seem to have settled on to describe the standard Covid-19 tests (more accurately qPCR carried out on reverse-transcribed viral RNA).
The term antigen seems to have been added to distinguish the tests from antibody tests, but in this case it is incorrect as viral RNA does not induce an immune response (bacterial DNA can, so could be classed as an antigen).
Amazon Prime Video have a sense of humour! They say you can either immerse yourself in a dystopian nightmare OR watch The Handmaid’s Tale 😂
Just out Int Journal of Inf Dis
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30598-1/fulltext
“School closure carried out in Japan did not show any mitigating effect on the transmission of novel coronavirus infection.”
That’ll be ignored then.
Japan will have to join Sweden on the naughty step
Hi
Does anybody have any experience or knowledge of how this lunacy impinges on the freedoms of people with Learning Disabilities please? My profoundly autistic, non verbal son, lives in a residential home about 23 miles from me. He enjoyed coming home once a week to myself or his mother. For nearly the last 4 months he has been denied that. When I asked to start bringing him home again was told to make do with Skype or if I insisted he would have to self quarantine in his bedroom for 2 weeks…!! My MP is tentatively involved and the Local Public Health seemingly have no issues. We live in Lincolnshire by the way, which has had 10 deaths I believe. Before I go ballistic I just want to make sure that I had all angles covered. All the best and good luck to everyone
I have nothing to help you with your problem unfortunately, I just wanted to send you good luck for a happy outcome.
That’s appalling. Under Human Rights legislation don’t we all have an entitlement to a private and family life? Would seem to me that your son is being denied that.
Even some convicted criminals in prison are allowed to have visitors again.
I would email the solicitor that Toby has on the bottom of each post (if you look at it without comments enabled), I think some of this falls on the CQC? I am the person who asked the question on NHS apts in today’s update, my quest is similar to yours in that I want to know on what legal basis they’ve mothballed most NHS services, and what are the PSED (equality impact assessments) and Risk assessment obligations and on whom do they fall (ie individual services, or does the buck stop further up or both). I was reading the other day that all they said about visits not being allowed had no legal basis, I suspect with all of it, it’s on really shaky ground. I’d ask a solicitor, I have a strong feeling in my bones all this is just guidance, and organisations and institutions are over reaching, and are not within their rights to do that as it’s not law.
PS this is interesting, notice what they say about the legal basis of risk http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/risk-assessments-an-important-chink-in-the-lockdown-armour/
“it does not in law constitute a ‘serious and imminent danger’” – I don’t know who is responsible currently for risk assessing your son’s situation, one would think it would be the home, but if they’ve risk assessed it that the risk to his welfare by locking him up is LESS THAN the risk of covid, then that’s not right. If they’ve concluded they can impact his quality of life etc because the risk of covid is so grave, then I think you probably have a lever to argue that’s a load of old bobbins.
You say he is living in a care home. Legally, that is his home. The care home has no power to prevent him leaving the property is he so wishes. To do so would be a “Deprivation of Liberty” as in the Mental Health Act 2005. Presumably his care plan includes a “Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards assessment. If it doesn’t, it should.
However you might want to check out.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-supporting-adults-with-learning-disabilities-and-autistic-adults
which may provide more ammunition (or otherwise!) for your fight.
Good luck.
They’ve changed all that though, they brought in emergency mental health legislation? They’ve also suspended care rights for disabled people. I know Simon Dolan’s case is important, but I do think we’ll achieve more by picking off each bit of madness one by one. I’ve spent days trying to understand the legal basis for suspending NHS appointments, it’s almost impossible to find out.
“suspended care rights”…… can you post the relevant reference please?
As far as I can discover, the changes to the Care Act relate to the duty to provide care. Information on the CQC website may also be a useful reference point although it might not say what you would like it to!
https://www.cqc.org.uk/publications/major-report/covid-19-insight-issue-3
This is from the Corona Virus Act 2020, but that was revoked on 3rd July and replaced with Corona Virus Act 2020 Part 2 so what I don’t know is where you stand now https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2020/march/suspension-care-act-act-immediately
Do you have access to an advocacy organization? In Lincolnshire I come up with http://www.voiceability.org which provides assistance to people using adult care or mental health services. I used to be a mental health advocate in Scotland and this is the sort of thing we used to deal with. I don’t know how helpful people are right now, but it is worth asking if they can either help or refer you.
Three reputable alternative media outlets in Germany report that attendance figures at the demo yesterday were much, much higher, many hundreds of thousands people seem the most plausible figure.
Even a former MSM star journo, Peter Hahne, is disgusted at the cover-up and absolutely incorrect framing of the demo and its participants by the MSM, politicians and the police.
There is also video at KenFM today, which gives one a good idea about the sort of people attending it: normal people with entirely legitimate but completely ignored concerns.
https://www.tichyseinblick.de/meinungen/grossdemo-berlin-wieviele-teilnehmer-faire-medien/
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/berliner_grossdemo_die_parteien_wittern_gefahr
https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=63529
The MSM and the politicians ignore all that, of course, but those stories are now becoming wildly shared and many, many more people have now started to smell the rat.
The MSM might just have done our cause a huge favour and started to dig its own grave.
Definitely a MSM to frame protestors as far right and silence opposition. Look at the size of the protest in London on Saturday, yet complete media silence. The only way we can get the truth out is to share coverage ourselves. The Telegraph had an article at the weekend about a drinks party held by Goldman Sachs back in May they were so short of propaganda to publish.
I complained to the BBC about lack of coverage of the UK protest and about the use of the terms “far right” and “conspiracy theorist” in the report of the Berlin protest. This has just dawned on me, probably everyone else had realised this earlier, but one of the reasons that the BBC is so pro-narrative is I believe that in general they see sceptics as right-leaning libertarians and they viscerally hate people like that, so they are against whatever right-leaning libertarians are for, and for everything they are against. I think the same goes for a lot of lockdown and mask zealots – they see Toby or Simon Dolan or Peter Hitchens pushing the sceptical point of view and automatically oppose it on principle because of who supports it – it has little to do with logic or necessarily a reasoned position on their part. It fits in well with the way people think about politics these days – not “is X a good or bad idea, on its own merits, based on my worldview” but “X is supported by people who I have pre-identified as GOOD, so I support it” or “X is supported by people who are… Read more »
This is what I continually get from remainers. (The dullard ones).
“But how can you want Brexit when *NIGEL FARRAGE* *insert favourite current ‘fascist’ here* does??”
Because I believe what I believe, and what I believe doesn’t depend on what anyone else believes – and especially not on looking good to the ‘right’ people by denying what I believe because someone ‘unpalatable’ also believes the same thing.
Once someone says this immortal thing, I tend to abandon them as a friend and stop making an effort. Not because they disagree with me. Because they have no mind of their own.
I’ve been anti-EU since the Maastricht treaty, when it started to change from being the EEC. Nothing to do with Farage or a stupid slogan on a bus.
Opponent to HCQ treatment told me ‘If Trump likes it it must be bad’.
When John Humphreys left the BBC, he said no one inside could even conceive of anyone voting Leave. Peter Sissons was getting good, too, but he upped and died.
Agree with your last para, “I’ve always voted for [party]” is so daft. The parties change, their members change and the times change. Gotta look at what’s in front of you.
“Definitely a MSM to frame protestors as far right“
As I’ve noted here before, hopefully this will backfire on them badly in the long run, because what they are doing is associating the “far right” politics and people they hate with such a profoundly vicious venom, with truth, common sense and liberty.
It’s like Brexit and Trump isn’t it? People who attended that march have legitimate concerns and are frustrated they’re not being listened to so what do the MSM do? The ones here ignore them while their home country smears them as “far right”, “conspiracy theorists” and even “Nazis”. A bit rich given their history.
Agree with you that the MSM are digging their own grave given that more and more people are turning to alternative media.
From the Telegraph live feed:
2:30pm
Death toll jumps by five in EnglandThe four nations have the latest coronavirus numbers in the last hour:
Inappropriate use of the word ‘jumps’ I would humbly suggest.
As mentioned yesterday, are we now seeing more use of the word ‘infections’ rather than ‘cases’ as it may be perceived to be more scary?
These people know exactly what they are doing when the use certain words – I used to expect better from the Telegraph. Unfortunately, the majority of the population doesn’t pick up on emotive and misleading reporting.
I do hate the language they use when reporting deaths and case/infections. Another word I noticed being used a lot when the numbers started to decline was ‘soar’ to try and keep up the fear.
Death total “soars” as 13 new deaths reported. I laughed out loud when that ‘breaking news’ alert popped up on my phone a couple of weeks ago
And surge…
Or even “rises” can include one death. They never say things like “record low”….
Just this minute had todays alert: UK death toll rises by 9.
Yes that was 9. I wonder what word they will use tomorrow for such an insignificant figure…sky rockets probably!
UK deaths continue to rise!
EXPLODES!
A rise from one death to two is a 100% surge!
Disaster as deaths double!
Coronavirus UK: TERRIFYING second wave likely as deaths EXPONENTIATE!
I too hate the use of the word jump. Has anyone noticed the discrepancy reecently bu the ONS, the have one site where you get the breakdown of tests in pillars 1-4, and then the big headline site, which also breaks down into councils etc. The first site stated 744 positive PCR tests over the last 24 hours, the other site states 938 new infections. A difference of nearly 200! Why?!
This is actually good news in a subtle way. If you look at UK daily deaths on worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ You can see that it has been non-zero but almost completely flat for the last month. It will probably continue to tail down a bit more. What this shows is that the virus is endemic not eradicated. There is a huge difference. In Australia things went quiet for a month because the virus was nearly eradicated. This means they are due an epidemic and will very likely get one. It is an inherently unstable situation. The UK is the opposite– at the end of the epidemic with Covid at reassuringly low but non-zero levels due to herd immunity. The “official” story is that the UK is pretending to be Australia– we’re supposed to have hardly any herd immunity and to have almost eradicated the virus with lockdowns and restrictions. We need to keep testing everyone and jumping on outbreaks to keep it that way. But there’s no way we can be in that situation with as many as 50 deaths per day. Look back to March 20th. 36 deaths per day. A week later, 284 per day. Another week, 714 in… Read more »
In fact now that things have settled down so much and we have so many PCR tests we can have another look at the IFR.
About 50 deaths per day. If the IFR is 0.1% that would be around 50,000 infections or 0.08% of the population infected. I think that is about the ratio of positives ONS are finding these days.
If Fergie’s 1% IFR were right there should only be 0.008% positives.
from memory the latest ONS figures to 30 June were an infection to total population rate of 0.04 to 0.05% (i.e.ratio of positive to total swabs, about 59 positives in some 116K tests.)
I think that works out to an IFR of about 0.2% which seems about right. The deaths now correspond to infections about three weeks ago but both are fairly level so it’s much easier to estimate the IFR than in the middle of the epidemic.
OK my estimate was wrong. You can’t divide number of deaths per day by the total number of infections. You need deaths per day over infections per day. This works out to a much higher IFR. The ONS reckon about 3000 new infections per day, which is about right if you divide the 30,000 current infections by 10– it takes about 10 days to recover, so every day about 3000 people need to be infected to replace those who recovered to keep it at about 30,000. They use some fancier math, which is probably more accurate, this is just my sanity check. 50 deaths over 3000 infections is 1.6%! Maybe it’s not 50 deaths per day– the daily average for the last week was 38.5. And the 3000 has a big confidence interval. But this is still way too high. That estimate of the number of infections is from the household survey which excludes infections in hospitals. These deaths are not coming from the same population as the tests. If we look at this: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-cases-in-england-arent-rising-heres-why/ The Pillar 1 tests are showing a 0.3% positive rate, and the Pillar 2 tests about 0.8%. But the ONS household survey is showing 0.05%.… Read more »
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“Zoom and FaceTime, like Covid, know no borders.
If you can do your job from a laptop in a spare room, maybe someone else could do it cheaper from far-off India or Africa.”
I think that’s what this particular lockdown loving crowd doesn’t get at all.
Exactly. I tell people who say that they can get used to working from home that they should be careful what they wish for because there might come a point that companies will realise that they can get a Shalini from Mumbai or a Miguel from Manila who can do the same job much cheaper and even better.
“Boris Johnson, the smiling politician who turned hope and optimism into an election landslide, is now a pale-faced bogeyman scaring the country to death.”
I think he and his cabal are still primarily obsessed by their no-deal Brexit and making it look as good as possible next year.
Therefore, they have an incentive to damage the economy as much as they can and can get away with this year, and they are living up fully to that and truly enjoy their destructive mission.
I wish I could believe it had to do with Brexit, I really do, but they look to me like they have bought into the covid narrative 100%, or they know it’s nonsense but are desperate to be found out and/or they are enjoying this
From New York Times. One of the worst fearmonger and biggest supporter of lockdown
“Lockdown measures for the pandemic could result in an additional 6.3 million cases of T.B. and 1.4 million deaths.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/health/coronavirus-tuberculosis-aids-malaria.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nythealth
So they know they are pushing for unnecessary deaths on a massive scale.
Umm… how do we know the spike in testing wasn’t planned for exactly reason. I refuse to believe that this is incompetence. How stupid do you have to be to test twice as many people as usual and then be surprised when you see more cases? I cannot believe someone that idiotic would end up in charge. This is premeditated, and i’m certain of it.
I agree – one, two or three isolated instances of illogical decision making could keep me thinking it is sheer incompetence but this much incompetence of such a long period affecting so many people has me convinced there is an agenda. Perhaps not a world take over but there is a reason!
and it would have to be global incompetence – even harder to believe.
NONE of this is incompetence!
In response to the writer from BD20 – apparently it was Bradford council that wanted all areas of Bradford included, not the government. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18621425.amp/
https://twitter.com/covid_clarity/status/1289979525703630851
“Worried about losing your child to covid? In Minnesota this year, 1 child has died w/ covid. During this same time, 3 have died from drowning, 3 from respiratory infections, 3 from ATV(All terrain vehicles) accidents, 2 from bicycle accidents, 9 from car accidents, and 225 from other things”Minnesota 5.7 million
Can we make a simple leaflet to this using UK stats?
I really want to vomit. The papers are now carrying full page NHS ads.
” Let’s get back to the things we love. Let’s get tested”.
Testing is free, quick and vital to stop the spread of Coronavirus.
From what I can observe, the opposite is true. If you get tested, prepare to be locked down.
exactly. At one point I would have said that we should test asymptomatic just to see how many there are so we can all stop being hysterical. But I was wrong. We are ignoring the obvious adjustment of IFR and pretending that this is just as deadly as some people feared back in March… so increased testing leads only to increased detection which fuels more hysteria. It is all so amazingly stupid.
The same tests that had to be withdrawn a few weeks ago due to being unreliable and unsafe? The same NHS that has been on holiday with full pay for the last 5 months at the expense of the complete and permanent destruction of the economy and our freedom? Vomit is the absolute bare minimum response.
“Testing is vital to promote the spread of lockdown” would be nearer the mark.
How the hell does a test stop the virus?
What they mean to say is – stay at home if you’re ill.
No need for a sodding test. Just common sense and what everyone should be doing anyway to look after *themselves* regardless of others.
They want you tested to get your DNA on file – they even admit it now (see post on yesterday’s thread)
This particular use of language has been odd throughout. Hancock has said a couple of times that we return to normal when people start following the rules.
One would think that a plummeting death rate would be the cue to return to normal. Apparently it’s more to do with how much we obey our masters.
Hand-cock has three choices : he can claim to be ignorant; or he can claim to be stupid; or he can claim he’s being paid to be a shill.
I don’t think that there’s any other options.
All three?
He’s getting off on it?
Follow the rules in Hancock-speak means submitting to testing even if you are symptomless, so your DNA can be collected and sold to Palantir…
Fuck em
how is it free? surely we are all paying for all the tests that don’t even work?
how much do the dumb tests actually cost to produce?
“The things we love” goes on to mention sports, gigs etc. All cancelled. And Bugle hits the nail, below.
Obviously a blatant attempt to rapidly create DNA database of the whole population – tell people NOT to get tested! Probably in advance of vaccine/covipass/both…
Rhetorical… WTF do we need to be tested for? Look at hospital admissions and deaths to see how things are going. If you want to do a sample survey to see how herd immunity is progressing then do that in the usual way. But leave us f*****g alone!
Btw re the testing saw this posted on Simon Dolan’s Twitter, proving they are taking DNA: https://twitter.com/PLucieM/status/1290251997057228801
Never, never, never!!!!
It’s a global Public Health scam. Period. Be very afraid. I am.
Something is going on…..
10 days ago I visited my local surgery for a blood test.As expected, mask required and maximum 3 people in giant waiting area.
Today I receive a circular saying compulsory temperature check at reception with ejection to a swab testing centre somewhere if it is marginally above normal.Maximum 1 person in waiting area.
What can possibly have caused this sudden increase in surgery lockdown?
The National Covid Service
It was me who asked the question in today’s update, I really want to know the answer, there must be (one would hope) a legal basis on which doctors are doing this surely, and more importantly where does the buck stop? is it NHS england, is it the CCG, is it the Dept of Health? Who is responsible, and thus, accountable for this absolute travesty? RCGP say they can’t tell me, so I’ve asked the BMA, my MP, Matt Hancock, NHS England and now my CCG. Key will be whether the gov’s poxy risk and equality impact assessment is sufficient, or whether (as is normally the case) that responsibility also falls on GP practices. Interestingly in law, for risk assessment purposes, Covid is not ‘an imminent or present danger’ – risk assessments have to be on the risk of covid, NOT on the risk of transmission of covid. If that’s right, then they are utterly buggered if they’ve risk assessed it and concluded that the risk of covid transmitting covid is greater than the risk of withdrawing care.
Very good points. But I doubt that you will get other than bullshit – if anything – in return.
I’ve emailed Simon Dolan today, to explain all this, and ask if he’d look. If – as I suspect – the gov with the Part 2 corona virus legislation kicked back responsibility to local authorities, CCGs and health authorities, then I think we can hold them accountable (I’ve done this with something else, it’s amazing what one terrifying letter will do). If we can get clear on the facts then all we have to do is each adapt a template letter and fire it off to our local area. If as I hope, individual practices are also responsible for risk assessing and equality impact assessing, then even better, because I’m in rural Shropshire, the actual RISK (not risk of transmitting) is miniscule, I cannot see how they could have come up with a lawful risk assessment that says suspending smear tests, or breast exams, or proper care for the elderly is proportionate.
Most GP practices are private partnerships, so yes they will be individually responsible for risk assessments.The will have received NHS “guidance”, which they will be slavishly following, but I don’t think that absolves them of ultimate legal responsibility.
Brilliant, this is precisely what I want to find out. Thanks.
Have you emailed Francis Hoar at Field Court chambers?
No, that’s a good idea. Thanks
If anyone is on twitter and can tweet him, succinctly, the question is ‘On what legal basis have NHS GPs suspended face to face appointments, and where does the buck stop for equality impact and risk assessing that decision? What rights do patients have if they are receiving substandard care?’
F.ing ridiculous, a-scientific and against medical ethics.
And the Hippocratic Oath.
They’re trying to increase testing wherever they possibly can – DNA harvesting…
Where I live, I can sit with a co-worker in a pub and have a drink with them.
If i invite them to my home, I could be fined £100.
If I refuse to go to work and sit next to them I would get sacked.
Go figure?
No figuring. This is theology, not science.
Theology is the art aimed at providing spurious rationalisation for irrational myths
The ‘spike’ was caused by people “socialising and not maintaining social distancing” at a time when we were allowed to have 30 people in our homes.
Two of you sit at opposite ends of the bus – mask required. Four of you get in taxi, no mask required.
The virus will kill us all, wear a mask. Under elevens exempt, so must be immune, but they can’t go to school…
Ad nauseum.
Another good 3 point (like Boris!) good message to communicate to sceptics…
There is no sense involved in this.
Trying to make sense of it is as pointless as trying to make a jigsaw where each piece is from a different puzzle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O8wa3vY1pM
Thank heaven for Peter Hitchens – his latest tirade on talkRadio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNukYWoJWXk
thank you for the link
Just listened to it. Thanks a lot!
There are so many new rules, regulations and guidelines being brought out by our “esteemed” government, that it got me thinking. There must be many people in the U.K. who:
a. Don’t have a tv/tv licence so they can’t watch the news.
b. Don’t have a daily paper.
c. Don’t have access to a computer or smart phone.
d. English is not their first language.
How on earth are they supposed to keep up with the constantly changing situation?
Is Boris going to write them another letter?
Maybe they are happily oblivious to all of this nonsense. I often wish I was unaware.
There are plenty of people round here who don’t know what’s going on because they don’t have a TV licence and don’t read papers and only use the internet for email. They tend to be of a certain age, unaffected by woke bullshit and current day fads…..
And have consequently largely worked put for themselves that it’s complete bullshit. Funny how these people are always called ‘low information voters’ and yet they’re more informed – by not being ‘informed’! 😉 – than younger people.
I’ve always got on better with people a good twenty years older than me and this is probably why.
I think I did get some sort of fake letter at some point actually. I immediately “quarantined” in the bin so have no idea what it said.
I have been writing to my MP regarding lockdown like many on this site. I was surprised to find my MP actually appears to have read and actually replied (not a template reply). She is robustly defending the government, personally I think the figures in the email are completely misleading – The current UK death toll stands at 45,318. These are human lives – so I will have to say I strongly disagree with you when you say the government have been scaremongering and attempting to “instil fear”. The Government have always aimed to put in place measures at the most effective time, when we think it can make the biggest difference in slowing the spread of the disease, reducing the number of victims and fatalities, and protecting our NHS. I am proud to be a part of a government which has placed human lives above anything else. The only rules in place are to keep a meter apart and the wearing of the mask. Neither rule seem ridiculous, especially if it means it could save one life. I understand maybe a face mask can be difficult to wear if you suffer from a breathing condition, in which case will make you exempt… Read more »
She has asked you a question, so the least she can expect is a reply.
“But again, if the government did nothing, do you not think the amount of deaths would not have an effect on the economy?”
It’s a heartless answer, but the true answer is “little if any effect”. The economy has never suffered because of death, flu or otherwise.
Very tempted to reply. As far as I am concerned the 45k deaths figure include a lot of non Covid deaths and people scared to death by the government actions and those not receiving hospital treatment. Also there is no scientific proof people caught Covid whilst working in shops.
It’s difficult to take anyone seriously when they repeat the ‘shopworkers death rate 75%’ statement as they clearly will believe anything Hancock says without actually checking if it’s true.
It is true. Sylvie fact-checked it when he first said it.
The absolute numbers are low so it’s no cause for alarm but it is true and statistically significant (if not any other kind of significant).
To put things in perspective the chance of any man dying with Covid is still lower than that of a woman who works in a shop. And it was only about 50 or 60 people, and who knows what they actually died of.
Yes, 34.2 male shopworker deaths per 100K is 175% of the rate for all working age males per 100K of 19, but the actual number of shopworker deaths was only 43 in total.
Similar picture for women, 15.7 shopworker deaths per 100k is 162% of the overall rate of 9.7 per 100K, but actual number of deaths only 64! And as Julian(?) pointed out at the time, how were shopworkers defined, who knows where and how they contracted CV19 etc etc.
They other thing is, don’t claim the death certificates are falsified, they aren’t. After Shipman, doctors are advised they must put all the contributory causes of death on the cert, the rules are extensive and rigorous. So if the individual either had a positive swab, or a doctor or experienced health professional diagnosed Cv19 from symptoms, that had to be included as one item on the cert. And there’s a good reason for this, enables over the whole country the public health people to tell if any contributory cause of death is widespread, very rare, or what, a useful thing to know.
I’d suggest you need to reply that on the contrary, the only rules in place are NOT 1 metre distancing and face coverings in shops and public transport. The imposition of temporary lockdowns in response to illusory ‘spikes’ in positive tests, which are restricting movement of people and making normal commerce difficult, is killing off economic activity, destroying jobs and bankrupting businesses. You hope her party’s MPs are proud of this and happy to take responsibility for it.
You might also want to suggest that even if the lockdown had been justified initially, its prolongation beyond about 1 June is highly debatable in terms of its net benefits. Refer her to the LSE Centre for Economic Performance Occasional Paper 49, authored by Gus O’Donnell (former Cabinet Secretary) and others. Ask her on what evidence she believes that the saving of one life from CV19 outweighs the loss of many lives attributable to lockdown conditions, e.g. suicides, absence of treatment and unavailability of mainstream NHS services leading to cancer deaths, etc. Ask her if she has any evidence that government sought any study of the net cost and benefits, since as far as you are aware, it has been admitted in evidence to the Science and Technology select Committee that none was commissioned. You suggest that even at this late date she should press for such a study to be presented to parliament. That would be a more useful contribution than uncritically trotting out the party line that ‘saving one life’ outweighs causing unexamined loss of lives from prolonged lockdown, not to mention trashing the economy, depriving children of an education, and forcing relatives to mourn forever the lonely… Read more »
OK, thanks, I didn’t see the original explanation for this. So basically taking a very small sample out of those who’ve died in total, ignoring all other factors and coming to a conclusion that supports his argument then.
I wasn’t claiming any falsification, but my understanding was these counts were of people who died “with Covid-19 mentioned anywhere on the death cert”, not where it was a cause of death– they record both. But maybe I’m wrong about that?
Sorry, wasn’t a reply to you who are always reliable, I was responding to Darryl’s ‘the 45k deaths figure include a lot of non Covid deaths and people scared to death by the government…’
(They don’t, pity to spoil it by claiming they do, was what I meant.)
My understanding is that the Shipman laws were suspended at the outset of the covid outbreak. Sneaked in, like everything else
This is a disgraceful response.
“I am proud to be part of a government which has placed human lives above anything else”- but only those who tested positive for Coronavirus.
Tosser! Perhaps a quick reply asking “And what about those killed by ill-considered Lock-Up?”
I really need a hard hitting reply with facts to back it up. Can’t let it rest at this.
There’s no evidence lockdown saved any lives, here or anywhere else (just look at countries around the world that did and did not lock down and they vary enormously), and plenty of evidence it cost and will continue to cost lives All-cause mortality for the year so far is around 360,000. Same figure for 2018 (bad flu season) is 340,000. We are currently running at LOWER than average deaths, so outrun for this year may well be similar to 2018. Not an unprecendented public health threat, so why the damaging reaction that WAS unprecedented? Placing human lives above everything else is frankly a childish response and misses the point. Human life is important, but a life lived to the fullest extent possible, not a life of fear and restriction and unemployment. And the NHS and other things that make life safer and better must be paid for, so shutting down the economy is not without human cost. Everything is a tradeoff and saving lives at all costs is immoral, unnatural, unworkable and has never been attempted by any government I can think of. What’s their exit strategy? A vaccine? Good luck – may never come, or when it does it… Read more »
The other issue around vaccines is the sheer folly of accepting a novel injection without proper random controlled trialling … a process that should take years, not months.
Then we have the immunity granted against legal action related to side-effects. That tells a massive tale.
You’d have to be a bit of a prick yourself to accept treatment on that basis!
Bill Gates was very evasive when asked about that the other day – body language was very telling..
Cumulative deaths for Week 30 (today’s data) are 330K for 2018 and 371K for 2020. We are up 40K deaths on a bad flu year in which treatment and vaccination were available. Week 30 mortality is at the median of 2010-19 implying that they would nothave died anyway and has tracked this trend for the previous three weeks.
I agree about the need for balance, but the mortality data really is pretty dire – mostly due to the hugely inflated mortality in care homes. Protective treatments (vaccines and therapeutic antibodies) will come next year, but at the moment restriction of contacts (mainly with the most vulnerable) is the only intervention tool. I’d put most of my efforts into the care sector.
I think that it was the University of Sheffield and ?? that have (in the last week) done a study calculating the mortality attributable to Lock-Up. It’s a fairly conservative estimate.That might be a start. Others may have the reference to hand.
As a personal insight – my review/scan (cancer follow-up) has been delayed for four months. I am not particularly worried – simply because of my personal situation and history. But extend that over the nation and all health issues that need investigation.
Grateful for all the suggestions from everyone. I need to get as much information together as possible for a response.
Take your time with that, it’s easy to pull that apart, CEBM really good for stats, there was a study on healthcare workers (low paid cleaners and porters, not front line staff). Sketch out your reply and we’ll help you pad it out.
Thanks, I certainly think pretty much everything can be refuted.
Apart from examining actual evidence for her claims I think it is worth critiquing the tone of her letter, which is a form of emotional blackmail that should not be left to stand as is. Her claim that she is only concerned about ‘human lives’ takes no account of the lives that will be lost through lack of medical treatment, poverty and financial stress, or of the massive toll this grotesque social distortion is having on mental health (remember when everybody was all about ‘mental health awareness’ about six months ago? Yeah, me neither.)
And ‘saving only one life’ is a meaningless cliche that needs to be retired. She could save more than one life by making it illegal to use ladders. I think you should call bold, full-frontal BS on this emotive manipulation and point out that from a public policy point of view it has no value.
That’s what I would do. But then I would also point out that, as a woman, I regard this letter as an argument against women being allowed to participate in public life.
LIVING WITH COVID-19: BALANCING COSTS AGAINST BENEFITS IN THE FACE OF THE VIRUS has been published by the National Institute Economic Review No. 253 August 2020. It was produced by Professor David Miles Professor of Economics, Imperial College London, Mike Stedman and Adrian Heald. The Daily Mail produced a very distorted view of the report by Lucy White on July 24th https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8555171/The-cost-lockdown-Britains-economy-not-worth-lives-saved-study-claims.html#comments which reports only 1 of 40 possible outcomes detailed by the Imperial team, that 1 possible outcome being the one least critical of the policy of Lockdown. The full Imperial report is available here: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/d.miles/document/7583/Miles%20Stedman%20Heald%20NIESR/?Miles%20Stedman%20Heald%20NIESR.pdf The report looks at how a cost/benefit analysis may be produced for the Covid 19 emergency. It is interesting to compare and contrast the findings with the report produced by the NHS and Government Actuaries published 8th April 2020. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/892030/S0120_Initial_estimates_of_Excess_Deaths_from_COVID-19.pdf The Imperial report attempts to quantify the ‘cost’ of deaths by using the figure used by NICE, £30,000 per year of life, (this figure is used by NICE to determine the upper limit of health resources that should be expended to save a year of life). The paper discusses various alternative measures but as this figure is in widespread use it seems as a good a figure… Read more »
The government itself admits the lockdown will kill 200,000. It constrasted this against the Imperial College’s random number generator of 500,000 (seriously, it’s garbage, it needs to be run multiple times because it gives different results each time).
Check out Malcolm Kendrick’s blog for the overall cost of each life saved even using the random number of 500,000 people.
This may cause them a problem when the death toll hovers stubbornly at 50k, people start comparing it to a normal flu season, and more people address Fergy’s honky model.
Notice how he’s disappeared? He’s done the further modelling for the ‘second spike’ but has been kept out of the public eye.
Does his mistress count as a bubble? Is social distancing and bigamy compatible? Did Ferguson’s model take promiscuity into account?
These are the important questions he needs to be asked.
Besides, wasn’t he fired? I get the feeling that he was probably rehired immediately and paid as a consultant (probably with a juicy pay rise) and the firing was just to quieten the public down for a bit.
Sanctimonius cow. All the usual platitudes “45,000 death toll blah blah blah, human lives blah blah blah, our NHS blah blah, keeping people safe blah.”
Maybe you should point out that the actual death toll is likley to be considerably lower due to obvious overcounting. Maybe you should also point out that there were 44,000 excess winter deaths in 2014/15 but the government didn’t feel the need to “keep people safe” then (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/highestnumberofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25)
You can always throw Sweden at her. They love that one! A death rate of 564 per million compared to our 695.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Thanks, Sweden is a very good idea. I don’t get the impression I am very popular with her so will go for everything!
The point is, I think, can she (or any other lockdown lunatic for that matter) point to evidence that lockdowns and other restrictions have led to a lower death toll than would have been the case had the government done nothing? Unless you had a crystal ball back in March, I can’t see how you can possibly prove this. And there’s absolutely no correlation between government measures worldwide and the infection and death curves in different countries. In fact, in Europe and most of the states, the pattern has been consistent everywhere regardless of what the authorties did.
Could always quote Prof. Suneptra Gupta of Oxford too. She’ increasingly scathing about lockdown polices and is a highly credible source.
Keep pushing Darryl!
I find it difficult to understand the degree she has brought into the lockdowns work narrative. I think I can safely assume she would happily vote in favour of any restrictions on liberties the government may propose.
who is your mp?
name the bitch!
They are still peddling the old “high death rate for sales assistants” line. Here’s my reply to my MP on it – it was 18 days ago so the data may have changed: “I have now had an opportunity to review the source of the statistics you quote. The data is wholly inadequate to justify a policy which, quite literally, changes the face of the people in whose interests you govern. The data is being used (I may say abused) to justify a policy decision that has already been taken. The ONS study looked at deaths among men and women of working age (20-64 years old) up to 25 May. That does not equate to a death at work or a death caused by working conditions **. The ‘excess death’ ratios you quote (75% for men and 60% for women) are a comparison with deaths among the whole population, most of whom were workers who were confined to their homes during the period under review or people who are not in employment. A comparison with all those who were out and about, working, would give radically different statistics. The absolute numbers of deaths among workers in the ‘sales and retail assistants’ sector are small – 43… Read more »
I wonder if MPs are given a list of government approved ‘facts’ to state in replies. I get the impression it was the MP actually replying rather than a template reply. The data they use is clearly out of date as even Matt Hancock said the death figures are inflated due to poor statistics.
Of course they are
What a load of disingenuous rubbish. No government has ever done everything it can to save lives, and if Covid hadn’t happened then the next flu season would have occurred with no mask wearing, social distancing etc.
Jesus wept. Another response taken from some template.