It’s Official: UK Plunges into Recession

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed this morning what we already knew: the UK economy suffered its largest contraction in Q2 since records began. (Caveat: the ONS only started keeping records in 1955.) GDP shrank by a whopping 20.4% and, since it’s the second quarter of negative growth in succession, that means the economy is officially in recession. Overall, the British economy has shrunk by 22% since the beginning of the year, reducing output back to the level it was in 2003.
The Government will blame the virus, of course, but that excuse only goes so far because the UK has suffered the worst recession in the G7. GDP shrank by 13.8% in France, 12.4% in Italy, 12% in Canada, 10.1% in Germany, 9.5% in the US and is forecast to shrink by 7.6% in Japan. Lockdown zealots will claim our economic woes have been exacerbated by Boris’s failure to place the country under virtual house arrest even earlier, but one of those countries – Japan, which has fared the best in the G7 if the forecast is accurate – never imposed a full lockdown and Sweden’s economy performed better than most in Europe, only shrinking by 8.6% in Q2.
The truth is that if Boris had stuck to his guns and not imposed a full lockdown Britain’s Covid death toll would be no higher, the collateral death toll would be lower and the economy would be in better shape.
Government by Chaos

One explanation for why Britain has fared the worst in the G7 is that our Government has been so chaotic, destroying what the economist Paul Krugman calls the “confidence fairy”. First we were going to “take in on the chin”, then we weren’t. Testing was scaled back because it was unreliable, then it was scaled back up because it was our best hope of containing new outbreaks. Masks outside healthcare setting weren’t recommended, then they were. Schools would re-open before the summer holidays, then they wouldn’t. The lockdown is over, unless you live in Leicester, Manchester, Bradford, Preston, etc., in which case it isn’t. You can go on holiday to Spain without having to quarantine on your return – oh no you can’t. But Portugal’s off the list, right? Maybe not. France? Who knows.
In his latest essay for Lockdown Sceptics, longstanding contributor Guy de la Bédoyère asks the six million dollar question. Is there any method in the Government’s madness – some diabolical plot orchestrated by Dominic Cummings – or is it just one cock-up after another?
There are plenty of people who think this Government, indeed almost any government, is hell-bent on a systematic plan to destroy individual liberty, force people to be vaccinated, inject them with chips, monitor social media accounts, use algorithms as a mechanism of control and to do it all with the cynical efficiency of a Bond villain.
Others think governments are exercises in accidental chaos, masked by spin, staggering from one crisis to another, fuelled by individual self-interest, opportunism and chronic disorganization.
I’m firmly in the latter camp, but Guy is more ambivalent. This is one of his best essays yet and worth reading in full.
A Musician Writes…

I got a message from a musician who spent some time in mainland Europe recently. Not as awful as she was expecting.
I just read the Postcard from Belgium you published a few days ago. I was in Belgium from July 30th – August 1st, as a musician performing at an event in Brussels. When I arrived – off a train from the airport – I was dismayed to find people wearing masks even in the streets, and signs saying that masks were mandatory outdoors. I thought Belgium had gone mask-mad. However, this impression soon dissipated. We went to rehearse at a studio – no masks in sight. Then at the outdoor event the next day, despite the sign saying masks were mandatory, the organisers were scathing about the public wearing masks and told us we only had to wear them when the audience arrived so we didn’t appear to be breaking the law. Even then, audience members were only required to wear them when moving around and not when at their seats (which were spaced out somewhat but people were free to join each other at different tables). After the gig, another musician was telling me about how lockdown scepticism was growing in Belgium and the Netherlands and starting to get organised, though he emphasised it was still a minority of people.
Next we drove to Zurich, rehearsed, and went to a cafe – only the staff wore masks. Then to a gig in France. Despite a new law being locally introduced that masks are compulsory even on the streets, very few people are following this, though everyone is wearing them in shops, and staff in cafes and kitchens wear them. People are concerned about the virus – they are not “corona deniers” – but they are just using common sense.
I’m from Scotland and was talking to people from Catalonia where the rules are also strict. They, like me, were thrilled to be part of an event where people can mingle freely, play music together, even sit next to each other to eat. I was very worried about travelling in this current super-safety-fear climate but actually it’s been like a coronavirus holiday. I’ve been given handshakes, hugs, even a kiss on the cheek, Belgian-style. I don’t mention this too much to people back home because they tend to react with horror but for me this trip has been a massive relief. The countries of the UK might still be quite fear-ridden (though there have always been the pragmatic folk throughout) but mainland Europe feels like a sensible place. People haven’t forgotten their humanity and want to live what I call the ‘true normal’ not the ‘new normal’.
If only I didn’t have to come home…
Anti-Mask Protests Planned For This Weekend

The anti-lockdown movement is gathering momentum. According to the Mail, anti-mask protests are planned for this weekend in London, Liverpool and Hull. And yesterday, a group calling itself StandUp X invaded a Morrison’s in London and told shoppers to remove their masks.
Worryingly for the Government trying to promote the wearing of masks, the protest group’s public Facebook page shows it is converting other people to its views and cause.
One mother called Gemma Munro told them: “I really want to thank this group for giving me the strength and courage to stop wearing that stupid mask!”
StandUp X is not just opposed to masks. It’s also against vaccinations and 5G masts, which will make some lockdown sceptics understandably wary.
Can’t this movement find a better leader than Piers Corbyn?
Postcard From Brazil

A reader in Brazil – a Canadian married to a Brazilian – has written a corking postcard from the South American country. It’s not the usual griping about how an irresponsible populist leader has ignored the advice of his own scientists and let the virus cut a swathe through the favelas. On the contrary, he thinks Bolsonaro has got it broadly right. He points out that Brazil’s per capita death toll is lower than it is in Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, the UK, Sweden, and the United States.
Despite high national case numbers, Brazilian cities that were struck hard early on have now seen new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths fall off a cliff around the 20% infected mark, just like clockwork. Of course, we all know that herd immunity cannot be reached and would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and untold suffering blah blah blah. So what explains these drops? Will we hear the English language media discussing this? Will pigs fly?
With the numbers now falling in my state as well, I shake my head daily at the bizarro world pronouncements of the state Governor proclaiming that beaches and hiking trails, to which people have been flocking for months, are now open. Restaurants are now allowed to operate until 6pm, despite the swanky spot down the block having been open until 2am every night since the beginning of the pandemic, pumping loud music. I suspect bribery.
This is one of the best postcards we’ve published so far. Well worth reading in full.
Did Re-Opening Schools in Israel Really Cause a Spike in Cases?

Yesterday, I published a series of graphs showing that re-opening schools in most parts of the world hadn’t caused a rise in cases – with one exception, Israel. Indeed, the apparent link between the decision to re-open schools in Israel and the subsequent rise in cases is one of the most common arguments against re-opening schools in full in England next month.
However, a reader has pointed out that this is a case of correlation not causation.
I would like to comment regarding the graph showing an increase in cases for Israel after school re-opening.
The point is that the event (i.e. schools re-opened) is as relevant as “Full Moon”.Israel became an anarchy in the sense that the Orthodox population disregard and disobey the guidelines set for social distancing and mask-wearing.
The result is that a huge portion (over 50%) of the cases are in this group, with an order of magnitude lower rates elsewhere.
However, due to the political situation (PM on trial), the law enforcement authorities do nothing at all.
It would be a mistake to link the cases to “schools re-opened”.
Round-Up
- ‘Stricken Intu’s Trafford Centre shops for £1.3bn buyer‘ – Sky News reports that the Trafford Centre, Britain’s fourth-biggest shopping centre, is up for sale
- ‘Why schools must open in September‘ – Clare Wagner, head teacher of the West London Free School, says the effect of not re-opening schools in September will be catastrophic
- ‘Terrified teacher writes her own obituary saying it’s too soon for schools to re-open‘ – For a contrasting view…
- ‘Summer flu is now more deadly than Covid‘ – Ross Clark in the Spectator points out that more people have been dying of flu than COVID-19 since the middle of June
- ‘No, Europe isn’t being engulfed by a deadly second wave‘ – And here’s Ross Clark in the Telegraph with another great piece
- ‘The Health Passport — A Green Light for Tyranny?‘ – Insider’s account of the proposed new health passport
- ‘Russia Registers World’s First COVID-19 Vaccine Despite Safety Concerns‘ – Something tells me Brits won’t be queuing up to take this
- ‘After Chicago Looting and Coronavirus, Businesses Consider Closing Shop‘ – Black Lives Matter, but the lives of shopkeepers don’t, apparently
- ‘Dan the Dictator locks six million Australians in his pandemic prison‘ – Excellent polemic by Eleni Arapoglou in the Conservative Woman against Kim-Jong Dan, the tyrant of Victoria
- ‘Beauty therapists being forced to work illegally while waiting for the government’s green light‘ – Eye-opening piece in the Telegraph about an unlikely group of lawbreakers
- ‘How The Pandemic Revealed Britain’s National Illness‘ – Well-reported piece by Tom McTague for the Atlantic. Gets quite a lot right, but hampered by uncritically embracing the idea that Boris should have locked down earlier
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of publicity. Indeed, I’ve written about it for the Daily Express today. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Meanwhile, if you want to get a sense of what it would be like to embark on a relationship with a bedwetter, the Terrence Higgins Trust has issued some “safe sex” advice for people worried about catching the virus. You should wash your hands before and after each sexual encounter, avoid kissing and wear a face mask during intercourse. I’m not making that up. The Telegraph & Argus has the story.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Sept 25th to Oct 5th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here and an “exempt” card that looks like as if it’s been issued by the NHS for just £2.79 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 28,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
I have a regular correspondent who suggests theme tunes for this site, but his latest is such a good spot I thought I’d stick it down here rather than throw it away in “Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers”. It’s “Absolute Panic” by Bedwetters Anonymous. Well worth a listen.











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You are victorious
Yay! *Skips around room*
First over the top, first to be shot…
Private Eye MD: The deterioration in the quality of MD columns in private eye continues apace today, with the supposed Dr suggesting anyone not wearing a face mask is an ‘uncaring dick’. Under ‘unmasking the evidence’ on p3, in a desperate pitch to defend the use of masks, they in sequence attempt to deflect from increasing case numbers by each of the following; ‘people aren’t wearing them properly’ – Well duh, this was incredibly predictable and one of the reasons they were never recommended for public use in history before, suddenly, last month. ‘those most likely to spread are too irresponsible to wear them’ – Doesn’t even deserve a response, pure hysterical crap ‘we’re testing more people, so finding more cases’ – One of their now regular omg-they’re-so-close-to-having-a-realisation moments ‘loosening lockdown which may -or may not- have been curtailed by masks’ – Also comical… given lockdown, as far as I’m aware, hasn’t been further loosened in any meaningful way, since masks were made mandatory… For the first time in my life, I’ll be writing to the publication to complain about this irresponsible content, for an MD to suggest anyone maskless is an uncaring dick is so incredibly dangerous and inaccurate… Read more »
They also, hilariously, finish with ‘MD wears a mask in crowded places on the precautionary principle (not sure if it works, worth a try, doesnt appear to do me any harm, dont want to appear an uncaring dick), but now would be a good time to do more trials or we may never know if the discarded masks in the ocean are worth it’
So, accepts there’s negative consequences of at least one kind (huge waste, ocean pollution) but distances their self from that by claiming it does them no harm – is ocean pollution in millions of masks in landfill not a problem for us all? Given they also dont know if they cause harm (at least one study and historical conclusions suggest they do) I dont see how they can suggest they’re acting on precautionary principle.
So angry about the state of their piece right now, shocking how bad it is.
“Don’t want to appear an uncaring dick”
So just a dick then?
Haha, quite!!!
An educated but unintelligent one?
Ah, the Cressida. A real whale of a Dick
Cressida. The ‘Moby’ of the dick world…
MD is written by Phil Hammond, ‘doctor and comedian’. That tells you something. We used to get Private Eye regularly and, being asthmatic, I was foolishly persuaded by his strong arguments to get a flu jab in 2018. I was unwell for 3 days afterwards and 2019 was my worst year for health ever. 3 major respiratory infections leaving me with a permanent cough. Coincidence? Who knows? I was watching James Corbett the other night and he talks about how one of the ways demand for vaccines is created is to artificially cause shortages. In autumn 2018 I had to wait weeks for my jab as my GP surgery almost never had it in and in the end I got it from the local chemist. At least interesting! Private Eye is managed dissent on behalf of the British Establishment and it relies on the Old Boy Network for its information, and editorial line, particularly on foreign policy. Ask Toby Young, he’ll know more! They are good on local government corruption and they’ve occasionally supported NHS whistle-blowers, I wonder if they’ve published any blowing the gaff on the Scamdemic? I somehow doubt it. We sacked it early this year after we… Read more »
The shortage thing is interesting.
Notice how suddenly a load of high street chemists and even shops were offering flu jabs?
Create a shortage in the NHS, demand goes up, offer jabs you have to pay for elsewhere……
Nice work if you can get it. Someone is making so much money from this and it isn’t the taxpayer.
Yes, that’s exactly how it was, although I’m so ancient, mine was free.
I bet Corbett’s right: this is another way they’ll having everyone clamouring for the vaccine.
BTW, we were sitting outside last night and a near neighbour and her new lodger walked past. Such are the times we haven’t had a chat for weeks but she and the lodger are full-on LSs. Disappointingly, she wears a mask to shop so we’ll work on her.
However, despite the fact that she’s in alternative medicine, she’s really fed up that her two grown-up sons say they want the vaccine when it’s available.
Surely what the lads mean is that they want their freedom, their sport, their gigs, their social life….?
Yes, of course they do! They honestly think that they will get them back and it’s heartbreaking.
Oh, just thought – and yet another way families are being divided against each other,
The old normal is never coming back and the new normal won’t last too long either. Ask Bill Gates about that. It’s all about depopulation and for the good of the planet, surely you understand, don’t you?
Tell Bill to buy a planet and get lost.
Yeah, he can have Mercury.
The hot side should suit him nicely.
Yes it would but a slow death is more appropriate for him.
Let’s hope that he gets Mercury poisoning and no vaccine in sight.
Ah but Gates knows what the vaccines he pays to develop really contain, so I’m damn sure he wouldn’t dream of having one!
He didn’t have his own children vaccinated, nice one Bill.
Well the Mercury’s rising across this planet….
None of that is likely to be part of the new normal.
Corbett will be right, unfortunately for all of us.
MOH was offered a free flu jab last autumn because of age and underlying health issues. He declined. He also didn’t get the flu or anything similar.
I also didn’t get a flu jab, did get a very short-lived regular common cold, followed by that weird virus that left the long-lasting cough. No idea if it was The Covid or not.
We won’t be having a flu jab this year either. Or the CV19 vaccine.
For those considering flu jab, worth reading study of USA veterans indicating flu jab interference increased susceptibility to coronaviruses in over 30% of veterans:
https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15
I have had the flu vaccination for nearly 30 years now because of repeated sinus infections and not having to rely on unnecessary antibiotics and have not had any problems since. We were also unknowingly in contact with people who some days later got Covid. No one else in our group did. Guess it is all down to each individual’s genetic make up,
You ought really to be dead, best keep yourself locked down indefinitely. Not at all sure, that the flu shot is supposed to work for sinus infections, but perhaps it’s the placebo effect.
Each to his own, my GP touts the flu vaccine to me each year, previously because remnant asthma, latterly dotage.
I have never taken it, never had flu (despite many poor lifestyle choices) and will not be taking vaccine for the Covid.
Cheers Bill.
May be wrong but I think they are on an incentive scheme: they get a payment for every patient vaccinated
They do. Our neighbour works in a nearby health centre and mentioned the practice gets a bung from the drug company if there is a 70% (I think she said) take up of flu jabs in eligible categories. As soon as she said that, I made up my mind not to have one this year. And will definitely not be having Bill’s jab.
Getting the flu shot seems to be a good way of hastening death. I’m fairly sure that those who have supposedly died of Covid-19 will virtually all have had the flu vaccination.
Perhaps even more sinister, is that in recent times many of the elderly and perhaps some other vulnerable persons, were given the so called super flu shots, said to be four times stronger than normal.
I’m in my mid seventies and haven’t knowingly had flu since the infamous Asian flu pandemic of 1957. I have never had a flu shot, despite continued pestering from my GP, or any other vaccination since 1965.
You are not suggesting that they screwed up the 2019 flu vaccine so they keeled over a few months later are you ?
You can suggest what you like, who am I to disagree.
‘Phil Hammond, doctor (!), comedian (!), brain-dead, fully paid up member of the smug, sneerocracy made up of those other smug bastards such as Hislop et al. BTW Hammond, nobody gives a shit what you think about people who don’t wear masks or anything else for that matter.
Hislop occupies a place well inside the cosy intestines of the BBC. Nuff sed.
He got to his cosy intestinal BBC nook via the most direct route – up Auntie’s well used nether passage. Face first, which is why his ugly mug has such a ‘pushed in’ look. 💩
I actually sacked it off a few years back because, like you, I found I was reading just the same stories of repeated corruption across politics and big business (and local gov) that it actually just became depressing and futile to continue reading.
I only re-subscribed at the start of lockdown, under the expectation that I’d see some investigative work into what the actual fuck is going on, some pragmatic opinions and holding those in power to account for stripping us of freedoms and liberties. I’ve been nothing other than disappointed on all counts, as the magazine has ignored it for the most part (except for the occasional realisation that a few friendly companies are pocketing big money) other than pushing the MD column to the front for the time being – the content of which has been mostly shameful apart from the odd ‘a-ha’ moment MD appears to have, following by more hysteria and unfounded statements of terror.
Toby seems to think this global fascist coup under the guise of a fake virus is the result of bumbling Boris’s incompetence 🤣
Agree. I could understand his view if it was just Johnson, but it’s more or less everywhere! (NZ lockdown because of 4 new CASES!!!!) Why is it only us that sees this con job for what it is?
Somewhat worrying, That was my position up to about the end of March, but then reality kicked in.
I stopped it four years ago when it was still publishing anti-Brexit stuff 6 months after the referendum.
Private Eye is such a nasty little rag; entirely in the thrall of Westminster and the Old Boys.
And Hislop adores the Beeb. He’s all over it.
At my provincial Grammar, he is what we would have called ‘a squit’.
And Phil Hammond is neither a doctor nor a comic as he has no talent for either.
Give up the grotty old rag and spend your money on subscriptions to alternative publications – online or hard copy – and support the new breed of writers, comics & sceptics. They need our advocacy & our pennies.
Well said!
In June, I bought the Eye for the first time in twenty years or so. £2 wasted.
And you think this website isn’t managed dissent? Toby yet once again pulls his punches today sticking to the cock-up line when Boris’ real agenda is clear as daylight for anyone without blinkers on to see.
You’re going to need to be clear about what you mean by “managed dissent” if you are going to sling that charge around here. Otherwise it looks as though all you are doing is using it as a smear term for opinions you disagree with.
I can kind of see your point, in that from your pov (presumably) arguing for cockup if there is a conspiracy would be a way to defuse suspicion of the true rulers. But to be a reasonable charge I think there’d have to be more to it than just expressing an opinion that you disagree with. As far as I have seen, there’s no censorship here and Toby, while clear about his own view, is not afraid of giving reasonable space to the alternative opinion even above the line. And while he clearly doesn’t agree with the more extreme conspiracy theorist, he also does not spend undue time bashing or abusing them.
Bashing Piers Corbyn is extremely unhelpful, and it sounds as if Toby is nudging us towards acceptance of both vaccination and 5G. I hope it’s a one-off.
So he disagrees with Piers Corbyn’s wider views. He’s far from alone here in that, though most of us respect Corbyn for standing up (and I seem to recall Toby saying that as well).
Is anyone who falls between supporting the coronapanic and supporting the more extreme “conspiracy” and anti-vaxx positions to be dismissed as “managed dissent”? I mean, fair enough if that’s how you see it, but I doubt it will prove very persuasive, at least until and unless Toby starts consistently bashing those positions, censoring comments pushing them, and banning their exponents btl.
Why are you arguing about things I didn’t say?
I drew what I think were reasonable inferences from your comment given its context, going back to the comment mine was a reply to. If those inferences were incorrect, then that’s fine, all you have to do is correct them.(Fwiw, btw, I didn’t down-vote your comment. That was already there when I saw it.)
But the so-called conspiracy theories are based on actual documents and evidence – Event 201, Rockerfeller Lockstep document, Bill Gates saying we can only go back to normal if we have a vaccine linked to a digital immunity passport, ID2020 etc.
I also belive most people are not antvax, but anti unsafe vax. You only need to look into cases of the swine flu vax. The vaccine manufacturers are indemnified, so people are understandably concerned about a coronavirus vaccine that’s been rusheed so quick and there has been no long term studies!
“Bashing Piers Corbyn is extremely unhelpful” Well, I know very little about Corbyn, but what I would say is that the image he presents and some of his other views possibly make him a less than ideal candidate for the figurehead/public face of an opposition movement, if we want to persuade neutrals. Someone like Lord Sumption for example is way more suitable, or even Carl Heneghan, or Karol Sikora – they come with much less baggage. Even people like Hitchens or Dolan, who are more “mainstream” than Corbyn, arguable, are going to attract knee-jerk reactions (Hitchens for being supposedly “right wing” and Dolan for being rich and living in Monaco). I took the comment about Corbyn to mean this, rather than as a slur on his character. He deserves a lot of respect for standing up to be counted and putting his energy into this. Perhaps Toby Young could have qualified the statement a little.
Let’s hope you are right – I’m very anxious about it. Not long ago there was a comment to the effect that ‘what are they doing arresting a 75 year old man’ , I’m moderately confident that was from Toby – and now changed to this. As I say, I am very worried. Piers Corbyn has been standing up against the ‘Climate Change’ lies for many years and should have earned everyone’s respect for that.
I imagine he’s actually bashing another Corbyn by proxy.
There is a line that can’t be crossed in order to maintain some ‘mainstream’ acceptance and convert more folks into seeing this all more clearly.
The C word doesn’t need to be mentioned. As everyone knows just the sight of it sends minds a closing shut and people fleeing away from just another fruit loopery site. Leave it be and keep the discussion focused on tearing down this almighty WHO-approved virus narrative.
Yes, I’ve always thought that too and have posted about it in the past. I have never been under any illusion that Toby Young’s offerings could be anything else. He grimly sticks to the cock-up theory against all the evidence to the contrary and he uses expressions like ‘cases’, ‘full lock-downs’ etc without irony or quotation marks. The site provides a safety valve for sceptics but he does provide links to some good information and the occasional excellent article and he or an associate does some good analysis on some of the dodgy figures about. I ignore the MSM dross links (e.g.analysis/politics-free DT or DM rants about the awful lock-down but which won’t touch the realpolik with a barge-pole.) Meanwhile, with the ‘cock-ups’ of nearly every country to choose to avoid, what do Kim Ung Dan and she of the Bionic Teeth choose to do? Follow Sweden, of course. Oh hang on. . . . . And we’re expected to believe this is more ‘cock-up’ or ‘panic’ are we? I find the most annoying things in Toby’s posts to be the ‘why oh whyery’: What is Boris thinking of’, ‘What fresh hell is this?’, etc. I think we all know… Read more »
There is not ‘bugger-all else’. The best forum around is https://going-postal.com/
Extremely frank language and views, extremely lockdown sceptic. If you can’t stand frank and fruity language and points of view, avoid it! I spend many happy hours a day between here and there.
Thanks, I had a quick look and I think I’ll enjoy reading it. Absolutely not in the slightest bothered by frank and fruity language and I don’t mind other points of view (or people disagreeing with me).
Beauty! Thanks John
Ta for that link.
From a comment there, is it time we started shaking hands again ?
Yes all that may be so, but “going-postal’ is light years from being just about Covid. The enormity of what is now going on means that Covid is the only show in town. Governments across the world do not crash their economies in “lockstep”, without some massive underlying agenda. We are in very deep trouble and Covid-19 is not the the problem.
Unless and until comments are censored based on Toby Young’s views I am not sure it matters a great deal what they are, beyond the fact (not unimportant) that he’s an ally with a platform and resources who is good to have on “our” side.
I wouldn’t disagree with that. It’s just that a site like this can’t really constitute any real opposition and I sense that some people wish it could, judging by the pleas for new political parties. It would be unfair to expect it to be otherwise. The lack of censorship is consistent with Toby Young’s campaign for Free Speech and to be applauded. I hope it is able to continue.
Depends what you mean by opposition. It facilitates an exhange of views and information which hopefully has a wider effect. People on here in their turn network with others and hopefully persuade some round to their point of view. That’s a form of contribution to opposition, as are Toby’s articles and other work, and those of his associates.
If we want opposition we’ll have to organise our own. KBF has a section in the forum where people are trying to get together in their local regions. Have a look there, join your local group and get organising some opposition!
Meanwhile, UKColumn is exhorting us to write to our MPs, what key questions to ask etc.
Worth a watch here: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-12th-august-2020
The KBF forum also has som templates for general correspondence with your MPs but the UKC ones are the proably the most important right now.
Yes, I’ll have a look and we’d be up for joining local protests if there are any. People en masse are worse than sheep up here but we hear a lot of quiet dissent. People just won’t put their heads above the parapet, don’t want to ‘upset people’ etc.
We always watch UK Column and have written to our useless Tory-Boy MP several times. He was flown in to harvest the Leave votes and ousted an excellent – I know, I know! – Labour MP who was a grafter and actually had a bit of integrity, It’s anyone’s guess how she would have been on this stuff; sadly, she’d probably be signed up.
Anyway, T-B is a chocolate fireguard who loves to make meaningless grandstanding statements. After about 3 letters we got a Government cut-and-paste so-called reply from him. We now await his ‘response’ to our mask risk-assessment question.
UK Column did a great section on government risk assessment today.
Absolutely. UK Column is carrying the standard in what is now a life or death fight against impending Covid martial law. We are in deep trouble.
Yes UK Column is doing a good job of meeting the Covid fiasco head on. There is no old school network holding them back.
We actually need concerted opposition, or we are dead meat.
You only have to meet these people to know that they could never organise a conspiracy.
Whose dissent is being “managed”? Not mine. A wide range of opinions on display here. I am glad Toby Young has put this site together and glad he is voicing sceptical views on the platforms he has, and so I think are most of the rest of us glad. That doesn’t mean that we’re all TY fanboys or agree with all his positions on everything. As I have said before, I often don’t read what Toby writes, and just come here for the comments (sorry Toby).
Being fully aware of the ulterior motives and mechanisms at work would be useful, but unless you can make a case for how cock-up vs conspiracy is somehow diluting the message of what we collectively think the government needs to do now, I am not sure it’s crucially important at this stage. Our best hope IMO is to get the message out that the “pandemic” is really over.
Toby works for the MSM. We should be extremely grateful that he has the guts to provide us with an uncensored platform here to say what we really think and help each other decypher what’s really going on. Don’t be an ingrate!
Agree. Hope you don’t think it’s me being the ingrate….
No. Anyone the cap fits ….
Agreed.
Frankly, I don’t think I would come here at all if it were actively pushing the ‘conspiracy theory’ end of the argument. I absolutely see the appeal of the structure that the theories give and the logical sense that they can seem to make (one of the reasons I don’t buy into them – things don’t usually make logical sense), but I don’t and can’t believe them. I have no first hand ‘establishment’ relationships and no links to MSM, but I’m a true believer in the cock up theory.
Personally, I don’t think it’s remotely fair to accuse Toby Young of providing managed dissent, but regardless, a blog focused on theories and evidence of a globalist plot would interest me not the tiniest bit.
Too many cockups and too much incompetence. Too much influence of Bill Gates and his vaccine depopulation agenda. We are being played big time and the omens are not good.
“And you think this website isn’t managed dissent?”
Well that should have crossed quite a few of our minds. Still up to now the site is the best of its kind and the comments are not heavily censored. Toby may even get to grips with reality in time.
The same thing happened to me: I am listed as asthmatic, and so every year I am invited to have a flu jab. One year I decided to go ahead and have it. That year I had really bad flu which knocked me out for a week – the only flu I can remember having in thirty or so years.
I had a one and only flu jab in the late 1980s. Had my worst year ever after that for colds, flu and generally feeling unwell. Never had one since and don’t intend to start now. General health good as I also avoid seeing doctors.
Private Eye stopped being satirical when Hislop took over. Compare and contrast with Peter Cook! Hislop is establishment through and through.
They were good on the Post Office computer systems scandal. But a drop in the ocean.
I agree, MD used to be good but has been getting steadily worse. I’ve subscribed to Private Eye for many years but may not renew. To some extent they’ve become just another branch of the London-centric media. They do still have some good stuff like the Prince Charles spoofs, the From the Message Boards column, and the satirical Diary by Craig Brown. They were also good on the Post Office Horizon IT scandal.
Ah, the message boards: We probably liked Stokie Steve the best. Now, isn’t that where Awkward Git lives? Mind you to be fair, Stokie channels Biker more than AG or is it the other way round? Apologies to anyone reading this who doesn’t know what the **** we’re talking about!
Aha, Stokie Steve – come to Stoke and we’ll kick your fucking head in! And the guy who says things like Anyone looks at my girls I swear Ill do time. And Tim the househusband with his youngest daughter called Remain.
Family man – yes!
Private Eye has done some good digging – but it exists within the narrow framework of a public school rag-mag. It will never tackle fundamental issues that really buck the ‘Fleet Street’ narrative, even when taking the piss out of the Groan.
This became obvious during the time that the MSM was making up fake ‘antisemitism’ stories and piling into Corbyn. The Eye never once stepped outside the establishment narrative.
P.S. Re. their ‘investigations’ into supposed bureaucratic corruption : they aren’t necessarily all that they seem.
I happened to know the real background of one piece of tittle-tattle that cropped up in their ‘Rotten Boroughs’ column. Journalistically, it was a really poor piece of tittle-tattle from an interest group that had an axe to grind, and which any decent journalist would have binned before passing on the Chinese whispers.
They have wholly lost their investigative integrity. They lost it with the early death of Paul Foot.
Move on – new & genuinely anti-establishment writing & critics are readily available elsewhere.
The P.Eye has become the Establishment and has little more heft & sincerity than light-weight Commons Bar joshing.
Private Eye has been declining for years. Not nearly enough bite, and far too much whingeing from a leftist slant IMNSVHO
I guess Boris Johnson has turned out as expected: all vacuous bluster and no substance.
The big problem for all of us is that the millions of us who think the lockdown approach is a disaster are politically unrepresented. Labour thinks we should have lockdown sooner and harder.
We are political orphans.
I find it curious that NO ONE on any political spectrum understands that there is a huge electorate with NO representation up for grabs.
This is so true, a real vacuum
problems are, anyone who tries to fill that vacuum is immediately branded ‘far right’ and the FPTP electoral system makes it virtually impossible to challenge the political status quo. UKIP a classic example. Personally, I would love for there to be a credible alternative (Ie not Britain First or similar) to vote for, there must be millions just like me….dream team, Toby, Delingpole, Lol Fox, Kate Andrews, Farage, Hitchens, O’Neill, Trev Phillips…any other suggestions?
Don’t forget Lord Sumption, Simon Dolan and Dr James Lee as well
I’d also add Sherelle Jacobs and Ross Clark from the Telegraph. Always on the money.
The entire Spiked editorial team and Douglas Murray.
There are people who would be labelled “far left” who are also politically homeless. These are the old-style social democrats (not the SDP) with a belief in social justice and even, shock-horror, nationalisation. Many of these old ideas may need updating, but they are still valid ideas.
But whether on the right, left, or dead down the centre, what is painfully obvious is that all the established political parties don’t care about us, or the country, but only their own pet projects or, worse, their own personal gain.
We need parties that are pro-British and pro-British people. Too many are internationalist, or put the interests of other countries and other peoples before our own. We must look after ourselves now, because nobody else will.
No matter who we vote for sadly the same globalist agendas remain – I guess that is largely due to the senior civil servants who remain in place for decades. The British public never gets a say when our governments sign us up to life changing international treaties which often aren’t in the interest of your average citizen but to the benefit of the very top elite.
Civil Servants are not remotely the problem this time around. The contrived Covid madness is clearly part of the globalist agenda and the globalists are now playing a very serious game of hardball. We are in deep trouble.
We desperately need a pro-people party right now!
This is how fascist dictatorships get started. It’s worrying.
Then again, we’re already living in one, so……
This is one of the arguments for refusing to vote. (There are others.) Low turnouts absolutely are noticed, and new politicians will seek to fill any vacuum.
Until we have candidates and preferably parties standing for election that are not compromised on the coronapanic, and preferably not utterly corrupt Blairite vehicles for lying opportunists like the existing ones, we have no real alternative to not voting to put our point across.
There is the Libertarian Party UK. We are trying to grow and attract members and there a lot of like minded people engaging in good conversation here that would fit in well with the LPUK.
Have they made any statements on the coronapanic issue?
Have they stood any parliamentary candidates yet?
Tbh, I might vote for a LPUK candidate if one stood in my constituency, though it would be a wholly symbolic gesture (one party donkey constituency), but it would depend if it were left “libertarian” (full of woke, antiracist and internationalist dogma), or sensibly libertarian (small government, genuine free speech, policing borders).
Have they signed up to Toby’s Free Speech Union, or its principles – that seems to me to be a basic first step for anyone to be take as credible on freedom of speech today.
The fight against Covid fascism will not be won by playing the democracy game. That will be a dead end, literally.
I’ve joined the LPUK. They are against the PC woke nonsense. It’s the individual liberty, small government, free speech etc platform.
They have a website and facebook page if you what further info on their policies.
They are against the lockdown measures and are saying this is a massive government overreach
Looks interesting, we could do with a clean slate with politics.
I wonder did they support the compulsory lockdown of the healthy rather than just quarantine the ill? also wondered if you are pro choice regarding mask wearing?
Do you know why Dan Liddicott has suddenly resigned?
He did issue a statement on the facebook page.
I think he disagreed with the direction the NEC were going – ie only accepting 1 view of being a libertarian rather Dan’s view of having a spectrum to attract a broader base. But to you will have to look this up yourself to confirm
I think that they ALL know this, but then THEY are the problem, not the solution.
I think Farage does (and always has).
I just spoil every ballot paper now unless there is a true independent of any persuasion on the list but that is rarer than unicorn shit in this true-blue vote tory regardless neighbourhood.
At least the spoilt papers are recorded.
They are. And have to be counted because you bothered to turn up to vote. They have to ensure that the total number of votes cast equals the number of people who turn up to vote!
Remember to put a big black dot in each box though.
And the total of Spoiled Ballots gets read out on the telly.
I will just have to continually write “NONE OF THE ABOVE” in my ballot paper until the political class take the hint.
Boris Jong Son is shaping up to be the worst Conservative PM since Chamberlain and Eden!
“I will just have to continually write “NONE OF THE ABOVE” in my ballot paper until the political class take the hint.”
They won’t.
It will simply be counted as a spoiled ballot. Until and unless everyone does it, it won’t make any difference.
Yup – and they will just call us apathetic or anarchistic.
Agree but if more than enough of us go for “NONE OF THE ABOVE” surely they will have to listen?
The cynic in me goes naaaah……
Hey, Eden and Chamberlain may not have been the brightest bulbs in the set, but they did have some principles.
Chamberlain may be. Assume you mean Joseph, rather than Neville…
Eden had principles, mainly fascist, but still principles.
True but they floundered when it came to the crunch.
Surely ever…?
Unless someone in the future will turn out the worst of the worst.
They won’t get the chance.
No no, Boris is a much much worse. Boris is now overseeing the total demolition of the all the UK economies, on behalf of his “friends” in Davos.
There is the SDP. Socialist in the old sense – ie For the working classes.
Pro-Leave, pro-family.
No mention of their stance on lockdown though.
https://sdp.org.uk/
I’ve been a political orphan since 1987. You get used to it after thirty years or so. And when the pennies fall away from your eyes in the political sense, you really see what arseholes ALL politicians really are. No wonder we keep getting second and third raters in charge. No bloody vision, as Harold Wilson put it.
Likewise, I grew up thinking I was a Conservative until they got rid of Enoch, not because of the ‘rivers of blood’, rather because he was anti Common Market. Mrs.T. revived my interest for a while until they did the same to her, bunch of tossers.
There can be no party for an anarcho-conservative.
“There can be no party for an anarcho-conservative.”
Well yes, that would have to be the case.
To be honest – the collective of the electorate are, in the end, responsible. The nation has come to be an idiocracy where ‘I never vote’ or ‘They’re all the same’ or ‘They’re all bent’ have passed as political wisdom – until the brainless has become the actuality.
“They’re all the same” and “They’re all bent” is certainly proving to be true at the moment.
Bent or stupid, not too much of a choice.
Bluster Keaton.
He would get my vote.
It’s a lot worse than that. The futile lockdowns are just a harbinger of the utter madness that is still to come. I may have said this before, but it bears repeating, we are in a fight for our very lives and right now we are losing hands down.
I’ve just read the Health Passport link on Toby’s page, sounds hideous. I really do hope that wasn’t the plan all along.
The ‘storming’ (walking in without a mask) of the Morrisons took place on Saturday 25th July – just after the introduction of compulsory masks in shops. Why are the mainstream media making such a fuss about this over 2 weeks after it happened? I am sure it didn’t go unnoticed by them. I guess the government is going to come out with more draconian punishments shortly.
Seriously, going to a supermarket mask free shouldn’t make front page headlines when we have just probably had the biggest ever man made economic crash in history.
Saw a video of a woman in Australia being put in a choke hold by a police thug for not wearing a mask. Not sure if this was widely reported by our honest and balanced MSM?
I saw that, along with a load of horrible people saying she deserved it and worse. How did we get here? 🙁
I often wonder that now. Went for a walk along the river last evening, rather warm and humid, no breeze. Was surprised how many other walkers were wearing masks!!!!WTF is wrong with people????
Hopeless, clueless and a lot more besides. We are clearly in deep trouble.
Yeah, but who were the people saying it? Probably sociopathic/psychopathic types that make up a section of the Twitterati.
There are other videos from Australia of car windows being smashed and the drivers being dragged out for not wearing masks in their own cars. The media have brainwashed the public to such an extent that they support brutal police action even to the point of killing people (history repeating itself again? I am sure people with say ‘it’s different this time’). Truly scary time, yet no MSM condemnation and silence from politicians on both the Left and Right!
Too busy thinking about BLM?
yes- from what i have seen all those assaulted by the police were white. Any link to complete MSM lack of interest?
Absolutely. Along with a frightened, compliant population. Any Ozzie’s on here with a view how Australians really view this madness?
As an Australian living in Melbourne, I am apalled and disgusted by the hysterical bedwetting displayed by our politicians and MSM over a few hundred deaths. But more disturbing has been the rapid descent into a police state and the way that has been cheered on by a largely compliant population. People with my views are very much in the minority and you risk being ostracized merely by expressing them. I feel very alone. This site has been a godsend to me. It is like the population had been completely brainwashed. Australia has long been a nanny state but the way this rampant authoritarianism had been cheered on is really frightening.
Adrian, your ‘I feel very alone’ comment doesn’t go unnoticed. My wife said to me that being a lockdown sceptic around ones friends can feel like it’s occupied Europe in the 1940s and we’re hiding Anne Frank in the attic (and yes, that may seem like an out-of-proportion comment, but I hope you get the general drift …).
“we’re hiding Anne Frank in the attic (and yes, that may seem like an out-of-proportion comment”
If only it were out of proportion, but it isn’t remotely so.
Sorry to see the conditions you are living under. I watched a video today by an Australian discussing the situation in Victoria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39HDIna1c6A . The police look incredibly militarised for dealing with a virus, they seem to be armed and dressed for civil disorder (or a coup) not protecting people.
There is clearly a coup in progress.
It’s what fear does to people. I had hoped more folk would be rational these days, but clearly not.
On the bright side, you won’t be alone. I’ve spoken to many people who’ve responded with “but I thought it was just me thinking this way”. That will be as true in Melbourne as it is here.
Hold fast, brother.
How did it become a Nanny State? Any ideas?
Adrian, as a half Australian living in Scotland I have been astounded by the overnight authoritarianism here and in Australia, but it is a tactic they use to try to isolate non-compliant people (like a lion pack hunting prey) to disarm you and make you despair and give up. Recognize it as the challenge that evil always presents and take strength knowing there are millions who agree with you and are similarly being suppressed/silenced. Take care, your integrity matters more than being a compliant sheeple
I’m scared for the Australians. It’s shocking what’s happening in your country. I’m terrified it will come to pass in the UK next.
“I’m terrified it will come to pass in the UK next.”
And very rightly so.
To be fair, Australia was founded as a penal colony
Yes but, ironically, most of the convicts were political dissidents!
If I were still teaching I would be able to use all these incidents to effectively illustrate how the Nazis were able to take over so easily in Germany!
Compare and contrast. No hang on, just compare!
The dehumanisation of people the establishment disagrees with is a tactic we have sadly seen many times in the past – and when it is taken to extremes by the social engineers / propagandists we know it gets ugly. People sadly don’t see they are taking part in the same groupthink as previous generations have.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a modern day Sophie Scholl the way things are spiralling out of control.
I’ve already had to exhort some people to “get a grip of themselves”. We’re going to need some large mental institutions for them soon.
The institutions will be full of lockdown sceptics. We are in deep trouble.
The nazis took over Germany because the population was so scared of everything else they voted them into power. First thing they did was the Enabling Act which enabled Hitler to rule by decree, sound familiar?
Where did all these Uber Nazis come from? How did they end up as Presidents and Prime Ministers?
And yet, the masks cause anoxia, so you should NOT be operating a vehicle whilst wearing one.
Its the get out of jail free card if in an accident ” Yes officer I saw the other driver wearing a mask and appearing to slump monmentarily behind the wheel”
Im sure the insurance co’s will reeducate the police rapidly if it becomes a thing.
What’s going on will not be cured by insurance companies. It’s far far bigger than that. As Brian Gerrish from UK Column says, there is a now a coup in progress and the UK government is now being controlled by outsiders.
It was really disturbing. Everyone should take a look. The impunity the officers seem to enjoy in dragging then flattening this short, young woman to the ground was chilling. Thug officer even happy to give his name on video taken by distraught boyfriend. We need to be vigilant in this country…even Cressida ‘de Menezes’ DICKhead talked of shaming those without masks. Maybe she would like to see her servants soften people up a bit as well….
It will happen when muzzles become mandatory everywhere…..
Yes that is coming soon. Things are becoming very serious.
When she goes – which I trust will be after a long, miserable and guilt-wracked life – I’m hoping electricity will be involved somehow.
Toby covered it in yesterday’s Update.
It was here on Toby’s main page yesterday
Biggles has been out again today but not for long:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-bezl#25317ab6
Wot? I’ve not been anywhere near Grantham….
one flight around Grantham then a second flight to Sywell Aerodrome at Northampton where 2 Excel Aviation Limited , the owners, have another base.
So maybe off to pastures new tomorrow.
https://www.2excelaviation.com/
interesting web site. they have a company excelgeospatial that does a lot of geo mapping and surveying around forestry, crops and environment using state of the art cameras. So might not be so spooky.
Or they could just be spraying Covid-19 markers.
Is Toby going soft – what’s this ‘full lockdown’ business? Does he support a ‘soft lockdown’? What measures does he think government should have imposed and when should they be lifted? Be interesting to know.
Will, perhaps time you referred him to some of your articles on Conservative Woman.
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/author/willjones/
Here’s one: https://conservativewoman.co.uk/why-lockdown-is-useless-the-case-for-the-prosecution/
Regardless, the evidence is that the collective immunity threshold has been reached in the UK and many other countries. There are three dimensions to the proof.
Exhibit A:….
This is strong evidence that the infection rate is slowing down because it is approaching a natural limit, the collective immunity threshold, rather than due to any government intervention or change in public behaviour.
The Russian vaccine is actually using two human adenovirus vectors with the S protein gene for SARS-CoV-2, pretty neat. Aren’t AstraZeneca using monkey adenovirus, how long have the effects of that been studied?
I don’t know much about vaccines, because I was born at the time of thalidomide I am hesitant about medicines, but you seem to know a bit. Do you think the Russian vaccine will be safe and effective?
If I had the choice, I’d rather be injected with a human virus (once—they use two vector delivery) that causes common cold instead of a monkey one (twice—they use single vector and repeat); but I’m not in any at risk group for COVID-19 (which is pretty much the same risk groups as ‘flu, let’s be frank here) so getting a COVID-19 vaccine for me is as useful as getting an Ebola one…
But common colds kill the young and very old. What’s to be gained?
Likewise grew up with thalidomide all over the telly, bloody scary but I’d already had my school jabs.
That nice Mr Putin says his vaccine is safe so what’s the worry ?
Thalidomide was a drug, not a vaccine. Interestingly though, drugs are tested far more rigorously than are vaccines.
Poor man’s chloroquine
Use zinc with onions/tea/broccoli (zinc ionophores).
https://foundationforhealthresearch.org/modern-medicine-knew-of-zinc-cure/
A Russian vaccine or a witches brew from the great depopulator and eugenicist, Bill Gates, are you kidding us? Seriously though, just say no, you don’t need either.
Apparently Putin gave it to his daughter. (Did he really? We will never know, but still)
I have to give him props. We will not see that from our ‘leaders’.
He described her signs which are on par with reaction to a common cold infection (temperature spike to 38) and given it lasted one day (vectors don’t replicate), it sounds entirely plausible.
John Gummer fed his daughter a BSE burger, I mean a beef burger, during the mad cow disease panic. Both are still with us. (Not the cow, eighteen months and it’s curtains for them. Beware the New Normal, moosters)
To be fair, the cow was probably a goner by the time it had been turned into a burger.
Very possibly.
“ how long have the effects of that been studied?”
This is the crucial question. In my view, you have to be a little less than rational (to put it politely) to take a vaccine for a largely inconsequential disease, without extensive RCTs over a substantial time period – sufficient time for (a) results to be significant and (b) for proper peer review to have taken place.
So true
And liberty and truth would not have been irreperably damaged.
Correct. I’m what you could describe as ‘long in the tooth’ but everything I believed about society and politics has been turned inside out and back to front. My current view of the world is now my ‘new normal’…
Liberty and truth have been damaged for a long time. They are now on life support and urgently need resuscitaton. As we all do.
But the police state agenda would have been struggling to get off the ground.
Recession, entirely self inflicted by the cowardly Lion (he wishes!) in Number 10. It’s as thought the Tory Parliamentary Party has been ‘groomed’ by the Left to the point that they now actually believe the guff they continue to spout. The next stick fir them to be beaten with is exam results…they must smell Bungler’s blood in the water…
I saw the headline “Chancellor warns that recession is unprecedented”.
Rather like driving off a cliff and then warning your passengers that the car will be damaged. We are being run by people who literally dont know what they are doing.
It wouldnt surprise me if in a few years, lots of people who remained silent throughout this.. will claim that they were lockdown sceptics.
Rather like people in France, Netherlands, Norway claiming to be in the Resistance during WW2 when they were actually silent or even passive collaborators.
Thought we were doing alright in 2003, who was it who sang
“If I didn’t see such riches I could live with being poor” something like that ?
Anyway I’m off down the pub.
James.
Off down the pub was Sham69, des neh ?
Urry up Arry, come on….😁
I was a monthly subscriber to Gourmet Magazine for many years. Near the end I could no longer stand looking at all the lovely photos of everything that only the rich could afford to possess. I would then look around my apartment and think, what a dump! The contrast became so extreme that reading it was no longer a pleasurable experience. I was upset, however, when I read that it had been discontinued a few years back. John Bainbridge’s London chronicle was my favourite. I would love to reread his article on the London Number 11 bus again.
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664
Cloth face masks offer zero shield against virus, a study shows
And this is a study from Japan!
The most hilarious part is that the Japanese department of “Stating the Obvious” managed to convince someone that it was a worthwhile study to spend money on! 😀
Describing C-19 pandemic? Wise words from the past
“A celebrated popular delirium; because in errors, and especially in the errors of a multitude, what seems to me most interesting and most useful to observe, is, the course they have taken, their appearances, and the ways by which they could enter men’s minds, and hold sway there
“The image of this supposed danger beset and tortured the minds of the people far more than the real and existing danger.” – Alessandro Manzoni, I Promessi Sposi,1842 describing the plague and the craziness which enveloped the populace Milano 1630
Didn’t they lockdown London during the plague as well, only to discover that the “locked down” households were infecting every member in the same household and killing each other off? I can’t quite remember, but there’s bound to be stories online…
Think so. Because they were creating ‘plague houses’ (you know where they daubed a red cross on the door) and everyone who lived inside was effectively isolated, the sick members were infecting the well members and whole families died off.
Still — they were only quarantining the sick lol. Unfortunaely they were quarantining them with the healthy. …. similar to what happened in New York
I’m sure there’s a term of art for doing something that you know or ought to know is likely to cause harm… I think it starts with an ‘n’ and ends with an ‘e’ 😉
Haven’t learned much in the last 400 years have we?
literally, not a single thing 😉
Lockdown was a common practise from ancient tims. City walls helped of course.
During the Peloponesian wars Athens was locked down by the Spartans beseiging them. ‘Plague’ broke out and killed a third of the Athenians.
Medieval house lockins were intended to prevent further spread of the disease within the city. You either died or survived but, if you were the only one. you got to keep all the stuff.
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Big fan. Great book.
Just back from a lovely mask free week in Croatia and very relieved to see that masks are for sale in the sweet machine in baggage reclaim at Gatwick. May just head back up to departures and buy a one way ticket to Croatia.
There’s an awful lot of “mask” product to shift – I hope if people do wear a face covering they make it a home made for free one.
Two reports for everyone: First an update on the 94 year old who tested positive 2 weeks ago after one of her home carers had a positive test. She never developed any symptoms. She has been supported by her son and wife during her quarantine, they tested negative at the time. No one has developed any symptoms. Positive stories like this never make the media as they don’t fit the fear agenda. Second update is about the test centre where I have been doing voluntary marshalling. It is in the northern restriction zone. I have come home early as they had only 6 swab tests booked in all day and these were all preoperative tests. These are tests people who are to undertake hospital treatment must take 3 days before admission. This test centre was doing antibody blood tests on NHS staff but this is no longer happening as the staff did not want to undertake these tests. They didn’t see the point given all the reasons antibodies might not show up. This test centre might close. Again something like this never gets reported. The continued fear agenda I see as political, an attempt to bring the government down. This… Read more »
and sadly, if she dies of old age, she will be counted as a Covid death
Yes that’s how the stats are being counted isn’t it. At 94 she could have a fall, break her hip. People can’t live for ever. And I think many frail elderly don’t want to live for ever
just watching news about the train derailment in scotland. Looks serious. Hopefully there will be no fatalities. However am i too cynical to wonder if there are, how many have had covid positive tests and how will their deaths be recorded?
We should not get into insensitive territory but wouldn’t put it past NS to mention that the rolling stock is apparently 40-year old cast-offs from – England of course.
The stock has been heavily refurbished and had a lot of money spent on it,much better than a lot of the new crap we have in England now.
True, but this valiant soul surely doesn’t want to die of neglect before her time, either, as seems to be happening to so many.
Good news on both counts!
Very encouraged about your test centre report. No wonder they are sending contact tracers to knock on doors – brandishing tests no doubt. I acrually want them to start doing this – mostly because it brings the problem to people’s doors and will hopefully wake them up. Got a stranger on your doorstep asking about your every move and offering to stick a swab into your brain cavity? No, you’re not being stalked- this is the state calling, in order to ‘protect’ you. Honestly I think most people will find this sinister.
Same here , whenever I pass the testing station there is never any traffic in or out. If people were really so scared of the Covid you might expect lengthy queues but there aren’t.
Sweden does not just have a smaller GDP contraction, it also has a smaller increase in government debt/GDP than all other countries.
And only the latter ‘saved’ the headline figures from dropping to -25 to -35% levels, which is the true size of decline of the private sector in most other countries.
That economic damage is also more skewed to multinational exporters there, instead of to small domestic businesses, like everywhere else.
And if everyone had done like Sweden, Sweden, and everyone else, would have gotten away with a mild recession only, and no need for any government aid programs and their resulting debt explosions.
Therefore alone, the popular argument that Sweden’s strategy didn’t work or didn’t save the economy, is plain wrong.
Anf because of that, Sweden and a handful of other countries are also the only ones who do not have the blood of millions of dead people in the 3rd world on their hands, people that weren’t killed by the virus or their countries lockdowns, but by the economic effects of our lockdowns there!
Now is Sweden’s opportunity to create a global financial power base.
From an e-mail I’ve received, interesting studies on masks: “As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”” Here is the original study published on the NIH website so it’s official: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf The e-mail the lists these studies: Ritter et al.,… Read more »
Urm. Ok that’s open and shut for me
wow good work…amazing.
So why not just wear the mask and help keep people safe? I just don’t understand where you are coming from.
😉
😂 Who needs a mask when I’ve got one of your badges 👍 thanks for the note too, made it more personal and supportive.
Glad you got them. I tried with the note.
Just being awkward and I’m not in general a “people person”, 97% of them are oxygen thieves (those who read this website not included in that of course).
I read the theories about population reduction and so on, look around me especially now and think “those rich buggers who want this lot killed off, I can sympathise with that. Where and how do I join the club?”
I know, you were being sarcastic – I think the little face thingy is winking. Not up to speed on this modern texting tuff.
I was being sarcastic, a great post for sure
Actually it did surprise me on a first reading.
But on second thoughts, it doesn’t. I’m just so used to seeing masked surgeons on TV that I automatically assumed masks were crucial.
Thank you for enlightening me!
Surprised me as well but that is what it says in the study as the conclusion, pretty definite and repeatable time after time by others.
I think it’s another case of reassurig the patient!
Makes me think I’m in never ending episode of Dr. Kidare.
Wow. Great find, Awkward Git. I know just the people to beat up with it :o))
2010
Tory candidate quits over remark
A Conservative election challenger is quitting after being quoted as wanting a “period of creative destruction in the public services.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4352425.stm
A concept relevant to Government by Chaos. These are phychopaths.
That’s taught him/her who the real ptb are these days.
Things are starting to move, very slowly and cautiously, in the right and rational direction in the German MSM:
The ultra-left TAZ published a critical article by two epidimiologists, and a mainstream media station has for the first time ever criticized the constant changes of criteria set by the government and the RKI, from ftc, via R, via 50/100000 to absolute number of cases. His conclusion:
“If you have no goal, or constantly change it, you won’t ever reach it/one!”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft3_97HfnXY
Karl Popper had a better idea: if you have no falsifiablilty you have no hypothesis
Isn’t that a basic scientific assumption?
Searching the internet I came across only one online hit and that was a newspaper in Kent that mentions the parliamentary committee on 21 July 2020 but although it gives a few quotes from Whitty from that day it doesn’t mention his biggest and greatest so I contacted the editor to ask why not. I then came across the website of Dean Russell, MP for Watford, who boasts he is proud that fellow MPs picked him dos ere on the Health and Social Care Committee so I sent him this e-mail: “I have had no reply from the chair of the Health and Social Care Committee Jeremy Hunt about this issue so as I found your website that says you are proud to serve on the Committee then I will put it to you: Nowhere on your website does it mention the absolutely most important and momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020: “If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.” Why was he not challenged… Read more »
I should bloody well hope so. Well written and researched!
My previous posting is awaiting approval as it has lots of links to studies on masks in it (none of which say they work) so here it is in brief: From an e-mail I’ve received, interesting studies on masks: “As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil ore’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery… Read more »
Horrendous reading but it would at least make sense if that was the plan all along and our muppet population would go along with it just get out of this shitty government created lockdown.
Sorry, that was meant to be in reply to Jay Berger, below.
The article on the Health Passport is a must read.
Truly scary and dystopian and, apparently, already well underway!
It is of utmost importance to resist its introduction and as such first and foremost to try to stop this in its tracks ASAP.
Certainly a huge priority for immediate legal action, IMO.
It is literally straight out of an episode of “Black Mirror”!!
What’s fascinating is that one of the countries signed up to this is Sweden. Which given their stance on the virus is a bit strange. Though I”m guessing this kind of thing is years in the planning so has been around for a while waiting for an opportunity to release it.
I agree. Very scary article.
There is a legal challenge underway to stop it
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/join-the-legal-challenge-to-st/
I wonder how many of the new ‘cases’ are in those who have recovered from a mild or asymptomatic infection and are simply continuing to shed non viable viral matter and now being picked up incidentally by the increased population testing? Maybe they were always asymptomatic from a previous infection? Whatever the final answer when we can look back sensibly we have not seen any new sick patients in my hospital and even the national (inflated) numbers of admissions and questionable Covid attributed fatalities seem to have fallen off a cliff as well. I think the pandemic is all but over but no one has the confidence to admit it and face up to the economic catastrophe we now face. No one else is going to go back on public transport or to the shops until these idiotic mandates on useless face coverings persist and people continue to be paid to be on holiday by the state. None of the fellow medics in the hospital dept I work in believes face masks make the slightest difference but simply go along with the crowd in unquestioning group think under the misguided impression the public think they are effective and don’t want… Read more »
The fear mongering and panic porn has been turned up to 11 again in virtually every single MSM outlet, simultaneously.
But they don’t work to order or anything, oh no.
I noticed that….. 🤔
Funny, I just reread a certain book with a character called Winston Smith. Can’t remember what it was called…..
It is??
I don’t look at or read anything in the MSM any more except for a few specific linked articles, just for the WTF?? factor.
I manage to avoid virtually all of it but it finds its way into what should be innocent pleasures like watching the sports channels or listening to music on the radio in the car.
I ,isten to Classic FM, as soon as music ends, sound off, wait a bit, check, if music heard keep sound on, if not, keep sound off. I do it automatically now.
Yes likewise. It’s almost as it goes quiet and someone clicks a button and reboots the fear.
We are testing more so we are seeing more cases, is that so hard for the MSM to comprehend?
Those infected are not at risk and get better.
Move on.
The story about that 33 year old teacher from Florida writing her own obituary because she thinks she’ll die from Covid when she goes back to school. What in the world is she on.
“Even though she shouted from the rooftops, attempted to be unemotional, and educated herself in facts and science, she succumbed to the ignorance of those in power”
I wonder what facts she educated herself with to form the opinion that a healthy 33 year old will succumb to a virus where the average age of death is around 80 and where most people are asymptomatic.
She must get her facts from the same place as Boris.
Mental illness, nothing less.
And attention seeking
I agree with the attention seeking – ME! ME! MEEEEEE!!! LOOK AT ME!
33 again
33 you say?
Yeah, the magic number.
Ought to be 666.
Feel sorry for her pupils. What level of education must they be receiving from someone like that?
Profound stupidity.
Leave her alone. She only has a 99.9995% chance of survival.
Yet her opinion gets the headlines and continues the fear.
You will be pleased to know that our quarantine ends today after we had the temerity to travel to a country which was on the good list when we left the UK but put on the naughty list the day after we arrived there.
Were we contacted at any stage during this fortnight to check that we were being good boys and girls? No
Did it make the slightest bit of difference to our everyday life? No
congrats on being free again!
oh wait a minute..
Glad to hear you ignored this poisonous tosh.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-mass-testing-for-covid-19-do-more-harm-than-good-
Prof Heneghan andTom Jefferson in today’s Spectator.
Free article.
Good article!
Getting bored waiting for kebabs to marinate so looked at the WHO pages on pneumonia: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/pneumonia They give some facts: Pneumonia accounts for 15% of all deaths of children under 5 years old, killing 808 694 children in 2017. – so why did no-one bother with these deaths EVERY year? Pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. yep, all in the mouth naturally or growing on wet sticky masks Pneumonia can be prevented by immunization, adequate nutrition, and by addressing environmental factors. good nutrition? Not in the NHS vocabulary. Mentioned again: Adequate nutrition is key to improving children’s natural defences One line that caught my eye was: “The viruses and bacteria that are commonly found in a child’s nose or throat, can infect the lungs if they are inhaled.” So all those muzzled, sanctimonious, moronic wankers muzzling their kids are going to be responsible for their illness. I’m going to make a prediction here being as jaded and cynical as I am: increase in bacterial pneumonia infections in children seen starting about now then rising rapidly in a few weeks starts to peak about October just after schools have re-opened will be labelled as coronavirus as the symptoms… Read more »
I just came across this article : https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/good-public-health-behaviors-nm-tyrant-governor-announces-will-keep-covid-19-practices-place-even-pandemic/ “These Are Good Public Health Behaviors” – New Mexico Tyrant Governor Announces She Will Keep COVID-19 Practices in Place Even After Pandemic “New Mexicans are enlisting legislators to call for an extraordinary session. Here’s a post from NM Extraordinary Session Facebook page (posted August 8 at 2:31 pm): “This week, the Governor stated that she wants to continue all of her current restrictions whether we get a COVID vaccine or not. Let’s be clear about what that means. Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham’s orders have been made under the auspices of her executive emergency powers. The NM Supreme Court has upheld her orders because of that interpretation. Only in a crisis could an elected official get away with shutting down places of business, schools, churches, and declaring gatherings of 5 people or more a violation of the law. That’s because under any ordinary circumstances, these orders violate the constitutional right to freedom of association. (Governor Grisham notably made exceptions to her own rule for mass protests this summer, but has made no such accommodation for public gatherings of groups she disagrees with. The fact is that it’s the constitutional right of any group… Read more »
Inevitable.
It’s no surprise. This is why Dolan’s case here is essential. Power is a drug and hard to resist.
Looks like another one joining Yorkshire Tea in committing corporate suicide by going woke:
https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1293478921674072066
BTW, Yorkshire Tea in Morrisons with 50% extra in large pack going for around a fiver.
Mason Mills was discussing B&J today on the Patreon site. Apparently they have got a world of pain heading their way.
good
aren’t patreon in warm water too? some law suit with arbitration fees or something? for censorship
Not surprised.They didn’t learn from Gillette and Yorkshire Tea – go woke, go broke
Please boycott Yorkshire Tea.
Am doing.
And there’s far better ice cream to be had than BJ goo.
Haagen Daz, Jude’s, even supermarket own brand are better!
Sainsbury’s does a good organic fair-traded tea. Yorkshire tea is neither of those anyway.
I’d rather drink Twinings 😂
Jasmine tea with honey. Yummy!
I dropped B&J a quick reply:
https://twitter.com/RobertJ62035232/status/1293486638241320961
nice
ironically i I feel as though I would like to flee the war, torture (both side effects of the corona pschological operation) and climate change (that last ones a scam but I’d still like to flee the devotees ie corrupt gov)
do you think B&J might advise where I can flee to? that would be so nice of them. I would even buy some of their overpriced icedcream!
Spot on!!!
‘Lockdownus hystericalis’: a species of spineless organism; known for its extreme gullibility and unquestioning obedience to govt nonsense. – Causes: economic destruction
Symptoms – obtaining news and information from MSM, government briefings, antisocial media, hysteria
How to spot – wearing muzzles (gloves optional), excessive use of hand sanitiser, blocking and unfriending people on antisocial media who sprout contrary views, fretting about “second wave”, obsessive adherence to antisocial distancing measures and happily gives data for NHS T&T
Extreme behaviour – shaming people on antisocial media, calling people who aren’t wearing muzzles out, lack of compassion for those with disabilities and abused by the police as well as those suffering from discomfort from wearing muzzles.
Cure – Sadly there is no known cure yet however some experts believe that a recession coupled with job redundancy and bankruptcy could be an effective cure. If over a certain age, taxation of pension schemes and abolition of the triple lock is seen as effective.