Largest Anti-Lockdown Demo So Far
The pictures from yesterday’s anti-lockdown demo in Trafalgar Square are quite impressive. Some reports put the turnout at 35,000. The Express was one of the first newspapers to report on the protest.
Pictures of the large crowds show people holding signs that read “coronavirus is a hoax”, “no to mandatory vaccines” and “masks are muzzles”.
One person has claimed it is the largest anti-lockdown protest to date.
The large numbers of protesters have filled the area beneath the National Portrait Gallery.
Very few of those in attendance appear to be wearing face coverings.
A flyer for the event said the protesters would be joined by “top professional doctors and nurses speaking out”.
Jeremy Corbyn’s brother, Piers, is also due to make an appearance at the event.
The Express report was more even-handed than the report in the Metro, which began:
Thousands of coronavirus-deniers have gathered in London’s Trafalgar Square to protest against lockdowns and vaccination programmes.
And the Mail was even worse, headlining its report of the protest: “More than 10,000 COVID conspiracy theorists gather in London as police arrest Jeremy Corbyn’s brother Piers AGAIN: Huge crowd of anti-vaxxers led by David Icke gather to argue that virus is a lie spread in secret global plot organised by Bill Gates“.
A reader emailed me to tell me his impressions after the demo ended.
Just on my way back from the protest at Trafalgar Square. Apparently there were 35,000 people there, according to Piers Corbyn. I wonder what number the mass media will report?
On the whole it was a brilliant atmosphere. Absolutely packed with people, like an outdoor festival event. Brilliant!
My only criticism, is that the MC, Kate Shemirani (an ex-nurse apparently) was pushing some ideas that I just did not agree with. For example:
* 5G radiation will kill us all.
* The vaccine will make us all infertile and kill us all.
* Fluoride in our toothpaste is killing us and numbing our brain.
* Pandemic ideology, that this has all been planned for years/decades, etc.
It frustrates me that 5G conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers are at the forefront of the pushback. I’ve had all my jabs (MMR, BCG, etc.) and I have no issues with vaccines in general. I just don’t agree we need a rushed out vaccine to “cure” a diseases that has pretty much disappeared.
So mixed emotions, but generally I’m feeling good that so many people are waking up to the nonsense.
Meanwhile, a protest in Berlin was broken up by police at 9am, according to MSN News.
Police ordered a protest by people opposed to Germany’s pandemic restrictions to disband after participants refused to observe social distancing rules.
Tens of thousands of people had gathered at the German capital’s Brandenburg Gate in the morning before streaming down the Unter den Linden boulevard in a show of defiance against Germany’s coronavirus prevention measures.
Protesters carried a wide range of grievances and banners proclaiming their opposition to vaccinations, face masks and the German government in general.
Stop Press: There was an anti-lockdown protest in Ottawa yesterday. The T-shirts and slogans are remarkably similar to those in London and Berlin. This is a global movement.
Is the Government Preparing to Turn the NHS into a Covid-Only Service Again?
Matt Hancock gave an interview to ITV News on Friday in which he suggested plans are underway to turn the NHS into the National Coronavirus Service this winter, seemingly oblivious to the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths this misstep caused over the summer.
“We’re doing a huge amount of planning to make sure that the NHS is prepared and can cope to make sure that people can have as much freedom to enjoy Christmas, to enjoy winter, as possible,” he said.
What’s the rationale, Matt? Better to have half-empty hospitals and turn patients away just in case there’s a spike in Covid hospitalisations over Christmas? That’s like throwing people out of an aeroplane to reduce the risk of it crashing.
Alarming.
Schools Insisting on Unnecessary Face Muzzles
Yesterday, my colleague Will Jones asked readers to get in touch if their children’s schools were insisting on face coverings, even if they’re not in local lockdown areas. Needless to say, we’ve been deluged with responses.
This is an extract from a letter sent to parents at Chatham and Clarendon Grammar School
Face Covering – with regard to the revised Government guidance yesterday about the wearing of face masks in communal areas and in restricted spaces like corridors, at the moment this is not mandatory as Thanet is not in an area with increased lockdown restrictions. However the corridors in the school are very narrow and we have therefore decided that with safety uppermost in everyone’s minds we will require all students to bring face coverings with them to school and wear them in corridors and communal areas. Each student must bring plastic sealable bags to store their face covering and use the lidded bins on site to dispose of face coverings if they get wet or damaged and should also carry spares for this eventuality.
Here’s another, this one from a grandparent in Darlington which is an area of low infection.
My granddaughter attends Polam Hall School in Darlington and will be returning for the new term next Friday. We have received guidance relating to COVID-19 procedures. It says “You will be asked to wear a face covering in crowded corridors and communal areas”. So no mention of Government guidelines or the WHO in this case. However, Darlington has always been at the lower end of the scale in terms of COVID-19 cases. I keep a check via the BBC online service which allows you to enter your postcode to find out how many cases there have been. Last week there were two cases in a town with a population of just over 106,000.
This one is from a parent of a school in Cobham:
I’d like to report my school, ACS International School Cobham, bringing in a masking rule for all children aged 10-18 in indoor communal areas. In our case, this will mean everywhere except in the classroom. Cobham (district of Elmbridge) has no local spikes in infection and has no plans to introduce local lockdown of which I am aware.
I put it down to pre-emptive action due to extreme caution and ignorance of the facts. This action will, of course, make absolutely no difference whatsoever to the odds of someone introducing COVID-19 to the general school body. We have opened a book on the odds of the school shutting again. Current best guess is mid-October.
Here’s the face mask section in a letter from Guy Sanderson, the headmaster of Eltham College, a private school in Mottingham.
As I mentioned last week, students travelling on school buses or public transport will be required to wear a face covering. We have taken the decision to follow World Health Organisation guidelines and to go further than the government’s current stated positions on masks in school. Accordingly, all Senior School students should bring a mask (and ideally some spare masks) to school in addition to the mask that they wear whilst travelling to school. Students will be required to wear these between lessons when moving around corridors and for communal events such as year group assemblies. They will not need to wear them in lessons (where they impede communication) or when outside on the fields at break or lunchtime.
The parent of a child at Alcester Grammar has forwarded the rules issued by the school’s headmaster:
Face coverings should be worn
• In corridors and inside communal spaces
• Whilst queuing for entry / collection of food in the canteen, Pit Stop and Studio
• In the Theatre and Sports Hall for assemblies
• In study areas (library, Newport Study).
• On transport and when queueing for buses after school
The same parent has suggested that another verse should be added to Madness’s “Baggy Trousers“:
Risk-free kids in risk-free schools
Headmasters laying down new rules
No more fun, we’re ruled by fools
Can’t get near the woodwork tools
Do Masks Increase Risk of Transmission?
I’ve published an original article today by a senior research scientist for a pharmaceutical company on the risks posed by face masks. Here’s the kernel of the argument:
The aim of face coverings is to prevent an asymptomatic individual from infecting others. For such an individual, their face covering would become saturated with respiratory droplets containing coronavirus and in fact, the more effective the face covering, the more virus it will have captured. So if an infectious individual touched their face covering, they would potentially be contaminating their fingers with coronavirus…which they could then transfer to the next thing they touched – like a door handle, handrail or table.
Although such an individual could have still contaminated their hands and the environment whilst not wearing a face covering, the fact that the face covering has captured viral particles means that it provides a much more concentrated source of the virus. Additionally, putting a cloth covering on your face will almost certainly increase the probability that someone would touch their face to adjust or fiddle with it, especially if it is not well fitted. This further increasing the likelihood that an infectious individual would actually touch the contaminated cloth material.
Worth reading in full.
Alarmist Sage Report Says 85,000 People Could Die of Covid This Winter
According to a Newsnight report by Deborah Cohen on Friday night, Sage signed off on a report in July predicting that a further 85,000 could die of Covid in the UK between July and March 2021 in a reasonable worst case scenario. Cohen has written up her report for BBC News.
A leaked government report suggests a “reasonable worst case scenario” of 85,000 deaths across the UK this winter due to COVID-19.
The document also says while more restrictions could be re-introduced, schools would likely remain open.
But it says the report “is a scenario, not a prediction” and the data are subject to “significant uncertainty”.
However some are critical of the modelling and say some of it is already out of date.
The document, which has been seen by BBC Newsnight, was prepared for the government by the Sage scientific advisory group, which aims to help the NHS and local authorities plan services, such as mortuaries and burial services, for the winter months ahead.
Among its key assumptions are that schools will remain open and that the government’s tracing, isolation, and quarantine measures will only be 40% effective in cutting the spread of Covid outside households.
It also states that by November “policy measures would be put in place to reduce non-household contacts to half of their normal pre March 2020 levels”. In other words, restrictions to mitigate the impact – other than school closures – could be put in place.
According to the report these measures might be expected to remain in place until March 2021.
I haven’t seen this report, but what’s the betting that the 85,000 prediction is based on a static computer model that takes no account of the fact that the rise in cases since July, whether here or in Europe, has not been accompanied by any corresponding rise in hospitalisations or deaths? (The authors should read this surprisingly even-handed piece by Fergus Walsh for BBC News). Business leaders are reportedly furious about this report and the suggestion that there might have to be a second lockdown to prevent these deaths.
The assumptions built into the report, as described by Deborah Cohen, sound unduly pessimistic.
The figures, which the scientists say have a wide range of uncertainty, suggest around 2.4% of infected people could be hospitalised (range: 0.0%-8.9%) with 20.5% of hospitalised patients going into ICU (range: 1.5% – 35.25) and 23.3% (range: 1.2% – 43.3%) of all hospitalised patients dying.
The model also predicts an overall infection fatality ratio of 0.7% (0.0% – 9.7%).
While the model is by no means a prediction and subject to “significant uncertainty”, the reasonable worst case scenario is used to inform government planning decisions.
However, some are critical of the modelling and believe some of the assumptions in the “official sensitive” model prepared for the Cabinet Office are wrong and the model is unhelpful given the wide range in possible scenarios.
Prof Carl Heneghan, from Oxford University, said some of the assumptions made in the model were “implausible” and that the report assumes that “we’ve learnt nothing from the first wave of this disease”.
If anyone has a link to the report, or has a copy, please send it to the usual email address. We’ll get our team of experts to scrutinise it.
Worth remembering that last month another report, this one done at the request the UK’s Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, suggested there might be about 120,000 new coronavirus deaths in a second wave of infections this winter. Why the discrepancy between that report and this?
They might as well just pick these numbers out of a hat.
You can watch Deborah Cohen’s report here.
Government Casting Call For People to Model “Spreading Germs”
An actor has sent me a casting call he received yesterday. You couldn’t make it up.
Needless to say, SARS-CoV-2 “germs” don’t show up “under a UV light”. What about a UVA light, which is what the writer of this blurb actually means? Nope. Coronavirus particles are so small you’d need an electron microscope to see them.
How the Government can persuade itself that it’s pumping out this bedwetting propaganda to counter “misinformation” is beyond me.
A Philosopher Writes…
I got another email from a self-described “left-leaning, Remain-voting, Tory-averse” person saying he shares our scepticism about the crisis. This one is from a philosophy professor (not AC Grayling, I should point out).
I’m just writing to thank you for Lockdown Sceptics. I’m a Professor of Philosophy, working mostly on medicine and health. So I find that I’m able to digest a lot of the scientific literature and I’m also pretty good at identifying the weak points in arguments. Back in March, I thought the lockdown was an awful mistake, but I naively assumed that the situation would be reevaluated as the evidence became clearer. That didn’t happen, of course. Instead, anything that didn’t fit the established narrative was distorted until it did and then assimilated, or it was ignored. Still, I hoped that reason and evidence would prevail by now. But no, it’s masks, more masks, and then even more masks – surely they’ll help ward off the evil spirits.
For a while, I was just bemused by it all, but now I’m genuinely frightened. Can one really impose something so odious as mandatory masking on the whole population, despite there being no decent evidence in support of it? Yep, they’ll just slap the rags on their faces as a symbol of virtue and chastise anyone who doesn’t conform, so that the whole wretched thing is self-policing. I dread to think of all the things an authoritarian regime could get the Great British public to do, while barely lifting a finger.
More generally, something deeply unsettling is happening, which I really struggle to understand: somehow or other, this virus has triggered a perfect storm of reasoning biases, fears, and vices disguised as virtues, resulting in something that often looks more like the behaviour of a religious cult than an informed response to a viral pandemic.
Lockdown Sceptics is one of only a few places where I’ve consistently been able to find sensible discussions of what’s going on. So I’m very grateful to you for your efforts. Good luck to you!
That penultimate paragraph is bang on. In response, I sent him this blog post by Hugh Willbourn which flagged up a book called When Prophesy Fails by a psychologist called Leon Festinger who joined a UFO doomsday cult in the 1950s to better understand the mindset of its members. Festinger was astonished by what happened when the cult’s doomsday prophesy failed to materialise. Instead of abandoning their crackpot beliefs, the members doubled-down, coming up with spurious reasons as to why the apocalyptic prediction they’d made hadn’t come true. Festinger hypothesised that the reason these cultists refused to abandon their beliefs was because the pain of admitting they’d been wrong, and their sacrifices were all for nothing, would have been too much to bear.
Sound familiar?
Every Mistake We’ve Made So Far Predicted in 2006
A reader in the US has flagged up a 2006 paper by Thomas Inglesby, Director of Johns Hopkins’ Bloomberg School of Public Health, in which every mistake that governments around the world have made in their response to the pandemic was warned against. It’s quite uncanny. The paper is called “Disease mitigation measures in the control of pandemic influenza“. Here are some highlights:
In brief, models can play a contributory role in thinking through possible mitigation measures, but they cannot be more than an ancillary aid in deciding policy…
A major challenge for all authorities charged with managing a pandemic will be how to allot scarce, possibly life-saving medical resources and how to maintain hospitals’ capacity to care for critically ill flu victims while continuing to provide other essential medical services…
The negative consequences of large-scale quarantine are so extreme (forced confinement of sick people with the well; complete restriction of movement of large populations; difficulty in getting critical supplies, medicines, and food to people inside the quarantine zone) that this mitigation measure should be eliminated from serious consideration…
Home quarantine also raises ethical questions. Implementation of home quarantine could result in healthy, uninfected people being placed at risk of infection from sick household members. Practices to reduce the chance of transmission (hand-washing, maintaining a distance of 3 feet from+ infected people, etc.) could be recommended, but a policy imposing home quarantine would preclude, for example, sending healthy children to stay with relatives when a family member becomes ill. Such a policy would also be particularly hard on and dangerous to people living in close quarters, where the risk of infection would be heightened…
It is reasonable to assume that the economic costs of shutting down air or train travel would be very high, and the societal costs involved in interrupting all air or train travel would be extreme…
Implementing such measures would have seriously disruptive consequences for a community if extended through the 8-week period of an epidemic in a municipal area, let alone if it were to be extended through the nation’s experience with a pandemic (perhaps 8 months). In the event of a pandemic, attendance at public events or social gatherings could well decrease because people were fearful of becoming infected, and some events might be cancelled because of local concerns. But a policy calling for community wide cancellation of public events seems inadvisable…
Schools are often closed for 1–2 weeks early in the development of seasonal community outbreaks of influenza primarily because of high absentee rates, especially in elementary schools, and because of illness among teachers. This would seem reasonable on practical grounds. However, to close schools for longer periods is not only impracticable but carries the possibility of a serious adverse outcome. For example, for working parents, school serves as a form of day care and, in some areas, a source of nutritional meals for children from lower-income families. In 2005, some 29.5 million children were fed through the National School Lunch Program; 9.3 million children received meals as part of the School Breakfast Program. A portion of America’s workforce would be unable to go to work as long as children were out of schools. Heightened absentee rates could cripple essential service industries. Teachers might not be paid and a great many hourly workers (mall and fast-food employees; school janitorial, security, and kitchen staff; bus drivers) would face particular financial hardship…
And here’s the kicker:
An overriding principle. Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.
Lockdown zealots will say, “This was advice about how best to respond to an influenza pandemic and that isn’t what this is.” But in reality the coronavirus is no more deadly than a bad bout of seasonal flu and, therefore, the advice contained in this 2006 paper is 100% relevant.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- ‘Report reveals tragic number of people who have taken their own life during lockdown‘ – The Leicester Mercury reveals there’ve been 25 suicides in Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland since the start of lockdown
- ‘The West’s response to Covid shows we have succumbed to a Medieval mass neurosis‘ – Good column by Janet Daley in the Telegraph
- ‘BBC needs wider diversity of opinion‘ – Tony Hall, the outgoing D-G of The BBC, engages in some damage control
- ‘Eat out to Help Out loophole saves £180 on meals‘ – If a table of six ordered starters, mains and deserts, asked to be billed separately for each course, and then all six claimed the £10 discount each time, they could collectively save £180
- ‘MGM Resorts lays off 18,000 staff‘ – The economic recession hits Vegas
- ‘About 61 Million Americans Have Stopped Commuting Due to COVID-19‘ – It’s not just Brits that are reluctant to return to work
- ‘Thank goodness schools are back. Another week’s holiday and I’d have gone round the bend‘ – The Telegraph‘s Michael Deacon looks forward to schools re-opening next week (and as a father of four I know how he feels). But how long will they remain open for?
- ‘Thousands arrested for “virus-related crimes” in China‘ – One case involves a shopper beating another customer to death for refusing to wear a face mask
- ‘Whitehall mandarins have lost sight of what it means to be politically neutral‘ – Excellent column by Charles Moore on the woke Civil Service
- ‘Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation‘ – Must read new paper by a Canadian medical researcher exploring why the mortality risk of COVID-19 was over-estimated
- ‘Half a million Covid deaths was ABSURD we are being DUPED‘ – Missed this piece when it first appeared, but we can add Richard Madeley to the ranks of lockdown sceptics
- ‘American tourist faces £430,000 fine after breaking quarantine rules in Canada‘ – Incredible story in the Independent
- ‘The true picture: Has Sweden emerged as paragon or pariah in the corona sweepstakes?‘ – Another excellent piece by Prof Ramesh Thakur in the Times of India
- ‘Former Congressman: “The Coronavirus lockdown is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of this country”‘ – Former Rep. John J. Duncan, Jr delivers the truth serum
- ‘Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be‘ – The New York Times discovers false positives
- ‘Former No 10 adviser Sir Robbie Gibb launches a TV rival to “woke wet BBC”‘ – Go Robbie
- ‘50:50 chance next summer’s exams will be scrapped‘ – Robert Halfon, Chair of the Education Select Committee, wants next summer’s exam results to be based teacher assessments
- ‘Either the Electoral Commission reforms or we will abolish it‘ – Amanda Milling, co-Chairman of the Conservative Party, takes aim at the Electoral Commision
- ‘Did we really elect a Tory government? – Interesting question posed by John Collingride in the Sunday Times
- ‘Portugal “likely” to lose its travel corridor this week‘ – The Telegraph has had a premonition of of which countries Boris going to hit in his Thursday night darts match and it’s bad news for Portugal
- ‘Spain arrests pandemic-denier who wrote “covidiots” deserved “to die”‘ – Yikes! Hope I’m not next
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Twisting and Turning” by the New Foundation, “All Out to Get You” by the Beat and “Germ Free Adolescence” by X-Ray Specs,
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 2nd to Oct 12th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now almost 31,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: Jenny Harries, England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer, says “the evidence on face coverings is not very strong in either direction”. The Mail has more.
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Hello Toby. Your energy astonishes me. I’ve had a look through a lot of your blog tonight. Will check out links etc later. I agree with the philosopher who said
He’s been brilliant. Can’t be said often enough.
I was thinking this last week and then acted on it by donating (shameless begging bit, at bottom of Toby’s blog) £25…..those on here who can afford it, should
Yes, Toby has to do his ‘shameless begging bit’ to feed his family, while doing what all our MPs should be doing. Shame on the lot of them.
An ordinary MP gets paid £81,932 per year, with a stupendously good pension, plus all the other doors it opens for them.
And Toby has to beg on here.
I have just been reading his blog. Superb! Thanks for the links. MW
I’d also like to thank Toby for creating this beacon of sanity in a world of dark derangement.
The Festinger book mentioned is well worth reading, it is important to understand how difficult it is for people to escape from a set of beliefs that evidence has fully refuted. You can buy a copy for 99p if you have a Kindle.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Prophecy-Fails-Psychological-Destruction-ebook/dp/B0721NVTMJ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=festinger&qid=1598769629&sr=8-2
Concerning the thought processes of lockdown zealots, do they regard us Lockdown Sceptics as displaying cultish irrational behaviour? Why do they think we resist what they fanatically observe? Has anyone here experience of talking to a lockdown zealot about their attitudes to us? Do they think we’re simpletons, misguided or even malevolent?
The ones I have spoken to in person haven’t shown much interest in us – they are too wrapped up in their own beliefs. Strangers on the internet accuse us of putting profit before lives, or being deniers or crackpots, or of being eugenicists. None of which are true, but we’re too easy to attack still. We need to focus on the core message and get people on board without too much other baggage – I mean no disrespect to anyone here, just a matter of tactics
The no other baggage is vital, just look at the headlines: Anti lockdown demonstrations painted as 100% attended by anti-vax, anti-5g, crackpots. Anything other than the core message will be inflated to convince the majority to dismiss valid arguements by burying them in a mass of fringe theories. That is why the presence of David Ike and Piers Corbyn is always reported.
Yes David Icke elucidated the “control everything” posture of our new rulers rather too well.
That’s not relevant; to most people, those the don’t be scared, anti lockdown, anti mask, back to normal arguement needs to convince, David Icke is the crackpot who thinks we are ruled by reptiles because he headed the ball too often in his playing days. The MSM use this to taint by association, and it works.
He was a goalkeeper, doubt he headed the ball at all.
LOL
A Mass Hallucination covers its own tracks so that it is easier for you to persist in it. So indeed the smear by association ‘works’ for everyone who wants it to work. I don’t know that I need convince anyone anything – and that’s just as well because I never have convinced anyone of anything they are not already of a willingness to know or accept. Icke was publicly humiliated for how ‘new age views’ – such that we are all Sons of God – which when framed as ‘I am the Son of God’ gave the Media attack dogs all the ammunition to righteously ridicule, invalidate and cast him out – literally cast him as a demonised or no-go ‘person’. Icke – as anyone in such a show trial – deserved support for his human right of being, and this was given in support from those who disagreed with the WAY of his treatment regardless the what of his opinions. But also became a portal of consideration of such opinions or viewpoints. That David Icke has a chip on his shoulder is to me evident, understandable but not helpful to his deeper message – which he gives theoretically as being… Read more »
I always find comfort in the fate of Savanorola (sp?, in the pub is my excuse).
You are thirty years behind the times. Back to the beeb for you.
Behind in what way? I am simply pointing out that the MSM are only too happy to run a story that says that everyone who does not support the government line is a member of the lunatic fringe.
We know all that, the real point is why are you are running with it.
What am I thirty years behind?
What is it that you think I am running with?
Why do you think I have something to do with the BBC?
Worse, we are now being called psychopaths.
David Icke’s recent interviews with Brian Rose at London Real do jot mention reptiles once. While we know he is a big believer in that, you need to not play the man with any arguments. Otherwise you are simply making the same mistake the newspapers have done regarding yesterday’s protests (labelling them all anti vaxxers) when there is so many good arguments that should be given the chance to be heard.
Icke is joining the dots, no harm in that. His message is ultimately about love as well.
I am saying that it is important to stick to the point – back to normal – and not bring in 101 other things, especially when those other things are widely considered as being on the lunatic fringe.
Lockdown-sceptic antimaskers tend to be considered lunatic fringe too.
That is true, and is why it is so important to promote clear, rational reasons for a return to normal.
Covid-19 hysteria is alive and well and seems immune to reason and rationality.
For the past five months or so freedom of speech and basic human rights appear to be considered as being on the lunatic fringe.
Guess who
WHO 4.3 Billion
Imperial College 280 Million
Oxford University 243 Million
Pro Chris Whittey 40 Million
BBC Media Action 53 Million
CDC 155 Million
GAVI 3 Billion
Johns Hopkins 870 Million
NIH (Fauci) 18 Million
https://www.instagram.com/p/CERoQOzH3Wk/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Some of the millions donated to Johns Hopkins come from Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor of New York City:
https://needtoknow.news/2020/05/michael-bloomberg-partners-with-johns-hopkins-to-develop-contact-tracing-program/
If you don’t connect the dots you will never see the big picture.
Connect the dots if you want to see the big picture.
Pareidolia is the tendency for incorrect perception of a stimulus as an object, pattern or meaning known to the observer, such as seeing shapes in clouds, seeing faces in inanimate objects or abstract patterns, or heating hidden messages.
He who pays the piper calls the tune,also the British Government is the biggest spender in the print media over the last 5 months;is it any wonder that the avalanche of facts can’t make an impact on the British people
Ken Nordine:Faces In The Jazzamatazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtOtccRW_vQ
Just because the media calls something lunatic fringe doesn’t mean it is. They are supporting near total control of the population. They are the lunatic fringe, not us.
The trouble with Icke, is that he is absolutely right. We are now in a fight for our very lives and this very harsh truth seems to be just too much for some of the more faint hearted sceptics. They somehow, still think it will all be over by Christmas or maybe Easter.
On Saturday BBC R2 news reported on the Berlin protest but only about it winning the right to ahead on appeal. For once there was no mention of far right, deniers or conspiracy theorists.
They even stated the purpose of that event ‘ A protest against lockdown restrictions’ which might come as a surprise to people that such a view exists.
If we are not suspicious of likely mandatory, fast tracked, hardly tested, experimental vaccines for an infection that hardly exists, then what are we actually campaigning for? And don’t get me going on the coming nightmare that is 5G.
For a return to the normal world, that is what unites us.
I wrote on the update yesterday that it’s impossible to divorce scepticism from conspiracy citing face masks as an example. Why are these being mandated when the virus is on the wane? It’s not for health reasons or to minimise the spread (virtually all studies say they are useless) so it has to be for other reasons. Ergo control, ergo conspiracy. Can’t see a way around that.
Yes you are spot on, the real conspiracy, is the one that tells us, that there are no conspiracies.
It’s like saying we have no self-interest because we give ours to a collectivised identity in Common Purpose. Steal a kingdom and they call you ‘King!’ – steal the mind and all Principalities do your bidding as if their own. Fear demands control, fear feeds and fuels control, while control grooms and nurtures it ‘food’ source as if your survival against those who conspire to take control from you. Fear is lack of love, because love is a condition of free willing command – NOT coercion. The attempt to ‘take command’ by fear-fuelled coercion is a Dispossession of love by fear by deceit. The need is for love’s honesty to replace the fear driven thinking. It isn’t always the ‘what’ that is in issue so much as the way of it or the what it is being used FOR. What purpose it serves you. The trap of conspiracy thinking is to assign all responsibility and thus power to Them, and thus polarise against ‘Them’ or It – in the case of agencies such as a virus or carbon dioxide operating as a proxy by which to leverage control by narratives set BY conspiracy to deceive. Where private agenda is masked as… Read more »
The need to be seen to be doing something? The belief that it is a popular policy?
Johnson and Hancock may appear to be bumbling fools, but that only acts as a clever distraction from what they are really up to. Mandatory vaccines has always been the the real agenda behind the whole Covid event and everything else including masks is simply theatre.
The eugenicist and ardent depopulator Bill Gates is behind all of the frontrunner western vaccines and will we allow ourselves to be vaccinated, only at our great peril.
The current Covid-19 scamdemic has clearly been long planned and the planners are not about to waste this well engineered opportunity to control and cull the global masses.
Mandatory vaccines has been on their minds since at least the beginning of April 2020. Perhaps earlier.
I don’t accept that it’s a conspiracy when they’re quite open about what they’re trying to do.
As Rowan says, the conspiracy is denying what’s plainly happening.
Excellent. Unfortunately people are being told directly, and subliminally, that wearing them is a matter of life and death.
Masks are indeed worse than useless, but they serve as a very useful distraction from the dangerous vaccine agenda, which is the real purpose of the planned Covid-19 event.
Matt Hancock said himself that they were doing it to make people feel safe and confident to come out shopping etc.
This is hugely dishonest. If they want to make people feel safe, they should explain to them that the risk of catching covid in a shop is almost nil, and the risk of them becoming seriously ill or dying if they catch it is vanishingly small, as Chris Whitty explained once back in May. They should keep on explaining this until people understand.
The fact that flu and pneumonia are continuing to kill people at six times the rate of covid seems to confirm that masks and all the government’s other measures are ineffective.
Witty won’t be making that sort of mistake again, if he wants to keep his well paid job.
The WHO admitted that they changed the guidance on face masks due to political pressure.Even the BBC reported it
It’s not conspiracy – it’s mentality. Or as John Stormer once said, “a conspiracy of shared values”.
That sounds like a conspiracy to me and so it should.
Me neither.
Eugenicists? Despite the presence of Mr Gates, who wants to drastically reduce the world population and who wants to stick everyone with an untested “vaccine” and not to be held liable for the maiming or death of any of his victims as a result?
You also look into Bill Gates father’s involvement with Planned Parenthood!
I’ve been accused of ‘ranting’ – a lot. I think it’s a mix of 1. not wanting to hear anything that contradicts a narrative that others have unquestionably accepted and acted upon ( and don’t want to feel it was entirely unjustified) and 2. It’s difficult to argue the sceptic’s case without betraying the anger you feel and the sheer absurdity of the LD. I’m sick of hearing that everyone’s point of view is valid. That’s simply not the case when one follows the evidence and the other ignores it. But there I go ranting again…
We need a lot more ranting, like yours.
They think we are all alt right murdering freaks!!! They have been taken in by those who believe ZeroCovid is the way to go and hole up NZ and Jacinda as the here. In my opinion it is they who have gone mad and are the freaks. Thank goodness we have Sweden, Sweden, Sweden to point to.
I don’t think I have ever met a lockdown/mask zealot. Lots of people now start chats with
” isn’t the Covid dreadful…?”
‘ No, it’s the lockdown that is dreadful…’
Thanks to LS I have sufficient range of facts and info in my head to deal with whatever way the conversation goes and a few screenshots to show those I think might know how to read a graph or bell curve.
Many end with saying ‘thanks, I didn’t know that’, the most strident negative response being “well best to be on the safe side”.
I’m a moron apparently. For not social distancing on a high street and when challenged I told the woman that statistically in our town of 20,000 there were two “cases” of covid 19. She had no interest in facts but I have. So which of us is ignoring reality for a set of “beliefs”?
Never argue with a stupid person, they will always beat you down to their level.. Mark Twain ?
Lol! I’ve written here before that in a spat on F***book I made a comment about my having a degree in Microbiology, to which the first response was ‘On what planet on earth (sic) do you have a degree in Microbiology when it’s obvious you don’t know anything.’
Never argue with a stupid person!
DavidC
You can’t educate pork. (DH)
You sum up all too well, the enormity of the task we face. But nothing daunted, we have no option but ploughing on, as if our lives depended upon it, which they very likely do.
Just saw the comments to an article in the Telegraph re: quarantining on return from abroad. Chap said ‘just ignore the quarantine’ . One reply said ‘when I show my wife your comment later, she’ll say ‘what a selfish little piggy’??!! What is wrong with these people?
“What is wrong with these people?”
They’re narcissistic psychopaths??
And bloody thick to boot.
Sometimes I find myself almost agreeing with Bill Gates and I start to wonder whether his planned great cull is such a bad idea. Perhaps Bill could start that bloke and his wife.
You will never get a one size fits all demo. But what every single person there was against was the blatant restrictions (and then more restrictions) on our quite normal freedoms, all in the name of a low fatality virus and a highly dubious PCR test.
I live in Victoria, Australia. If you’re ‘not doing the right thing’ then you’re considered ‘selfish’. They want harsher restrictions. If you question the narrative then you’re a lumped you’re an anti-vaxxer, Trump supporter. If you put stats and facts then ‘are you a doctor and where’s your medical degree’. They see the UK as a disaster.
Many over here see Victoria as a total basket case and also wonder just what they are putting in your water to make you all so bloody sickeningly servile. Is it fluoride?
I have and interestingly they just go quiet once I start giving any kind of analysis – if you have an irrational argument it cannot be sustained long other than by insults, sound bite, and anger. I was speaking to what may be considered a lockdown zealot the other day. This person had not left their house over 5 months and contacted me for support due to their support network breaking down. Within a few minutes I was through her door and engaging with her in a very normalised way, and then we went to the shops together. Why? She listened.
Good question. I think they do that “cancel” thing of categorising us as bad people. Anyone who does not believe must be a bad person.
Thanks. I’ll get a copy.
Yes thank you Toby for taking this stand you have brought comfort and hope to many people.
Toby Young is a legend and a hero.
It comes to something when David Icke appears completely reasonable
I agree I watched his interveiw with London Real.Apart from when he drifts into his new age stuff there wasn’t anything I could disagree with.
Yes, it’s a very good blog today, especially the material from the pharmaceutical scientist, the philosopher, and the Thomas Inglesby item.
BELIEF SYSTEMS
Here are a few;
Cults.
All religions.
The Nazi’s.
The left.
The right.
The anti 5G.
Those against vaccinations of any kind.
Those who think that man made climate change is not real.
Those who think that man made climate change is real.
People who think its OK for the US police to shoot somebody seven times in the back and those who do not.
Drug addicts.
People who have succumbed to the Covid hysteria.
Once these beliefs have been accepted it becomes a faith and no amount of logic, reasoning, graphs or numbers will change peoples minds.
The WHO, aided and abetted by the world’s governments, the media and especially social media have created a new faith and its not going away any time soon.
Drug addicts? I am a recovering member of this section of the populace but wtf does it have to do with belief systems?
I made a series of poor choices over and over again for 20 years…at least that’s what I believed happened 🙂
All religions?
I am a Christian. This does not fill me with permanent illogical hysteria, or make me want to delete the face of every human or ex-human being on the planet, or make me unable to appreciate another point of view, or want to take every scrap of joy out of my life and everybody else’s, or believe everything that I’m told.
Pity most Christian leaders are doing little to stop the madness or are even encouraging it.
Couldn’t agree more.But our present Coward Covid Church cannot be equated with the Church Universal and Eternal.
Quite. It seems most of the clergy are no more than political stooges with material ambitions. They can wear a dog-collar and call themselves Christians, but that would be like me sticking a false moustache on my cat and calling it a walrus.
Just as the existing Conservative Party cannot be equated with true conservatism, some will argue. Sadly the earthly institution will always fall short of individual adherents’ ideals, though not many are really ready to work to return it to what they see as its proper state. And reformers meet powerful opposition, from Henry VIII through Cromwell to Wesley, Marx and Mrs T.
And as a very active member of my local (Methodist) church I have frankly been disappointed with the support and encouragement from that direction. Yes, we meet on a friendly Zoom service each week, but as a sceptic I seem to be totally ignored. I suspect it won’t be long before they all start wearing masks during that online session..
Tragically, it seem to me, the established church sold out to the woke culture a long time ago.
The Church was taken over by liberalism (usually referred to as Modernism) at the 2nd Vatican council. It’s been a gradual downwards slide from there to where we are now with Pope Francis.
Indeed. 1 Peter 3:15
Amen
Even the Quakers apparently, formerly a bastion of righteous dissent.
Meekness and fear in plenty!
G K Chesterton said, ‘When people stop believing in God they believe in nothing’. Malcolm Muggeridge added, ‘It’s worse than that: when people stop believing in God they believe in anything’.
We see the consequences of this irrational belief system all around us.
They do believe in something but they’re not sure what it is.
It was Chesterton who said “they’ll believe anything” – no need for Mr Muggeridge.
Apart from being mildly to the right I appear to believe in nothing; used to be CofE does that count?
why is it ‘a belief system’ to be against vaccinations of any kind, but not equally a belief system to be for them? it looks to me that you’ve just listed all the things you don’t like or happen to disagree with, and cast a sneer at them
looks that way from here too
I think there’s a fundamental distinction to be made between personal beliefs which inform how you live your own life, and beliefs you want to see imposed by force of law on others, and another fundamental distinction to be made between beliefs that are neither provable nor disprovable (e.g. God) and those about which some kind of scientific or empirical reasoning can be made
Yes, it is known as a ‘Criterion of Demarcation’. In order to qualify as science assertions must be tested by experiment (some would add refutable in principle). If it isn’t science it could still be a valid belief though. In practice we all make unprovable assumptions about the nature of reality: these are known as presuppositions. So everyone exercises faith of some kind.
Well put, Julian and Basileus.
What of the scientist who believes, or is said to believe, in xyz. Belief being in the realm of religion.
No I don’t think it splits like this. It seems to split down attitudes to health and illness.
Einstein believed in God ..
“The WHO, aided and abetted by the world’s governments, the media and especially social media “
You missed out Mr Gates.
Bill Gates is the enemy Doctor W.H.O.
5G is harmless.
Right.
https://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-phoneswireless/5g-internet-everything/20-quick-facts-what-you-need-to-know-about-5g-wireless-and-small-cells/
Worrying!
Because they are such eyesores, 5G masts have been disguised as trees and cacti.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2010/jan/15/mobile-phone-masts-tree-photographs
Any pulsed EMF (2G, 3G, 4G, wifi) interferes with the body’s electrical system, causing, over time, all sorts of problems. 5G is worse by an order of magnitude at least. That’s why I have no smartphone and connect to t’internet with a cable. It helps to live out in the country as well.
How much does one covid 19 test cost?
And who is profiting from the government buying them and paying to administer them? Always, always follow the money.
Prof Michael Levitt: Covid panic will shorten lives
UnHerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTFXwLXUC8
I know, I know…you don`t want to see this first thing Sunday morning, but have to post it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EghWd-dU8AA54xT?format=jpg&name=large
Thanks for putting me right off breakfast
Lucky you, I nearly brought my eggs back up!
Yikes! I’ll have to gouge my eyes out now – (that’s worse than the Teresa may abba dance I can’t un see it )
Down with that sort of thing 😉
Many a truth is shown in jest.
Thanks for making my eyes bleed.
Ha, ha, ha, that totally sums it up! Luckily I got me a cast iron stomach.
I need mind bleach after that!!
Are businesses waking up at long last?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8677529/Business-leaders-rage-Matt-Hancocks-scaremongering-talk.html
Some strong quotes from businesspeople there, very encouraging.
It’s interesting how Hancock seems to be reading from a different script to the others lately. Is he being set up for a fall? Or is it just more deliberately confusing ‘information’ being put out there by the government? Or just a government that is out of its depth and doesn’t know what it’s doing?
Drunk on his own power.
It seems that way, he really appears to be enjoying his new found importance.
He certainly doesn’t look like a stressed out Health Minister in the midst of trying to mitigate the effects of a truly ‘deadly pandemic’.
He’s a psycho.
He looks far too much like he is enjoying it, more so than most (Khan and Sturgeon are in that camp too).
Silence from Gove, Rees Mogg, and many others, there will be a coup when the time is right
If it’s a coup from those who then continue the lockdown, who cares?
Why would anyone launch a coup, at this stage? Perhaps towards the next election. In any case, in any vote in parliament on key measures such as the extension of emergency powers, backbench Tories have little leverage because the opposition would support the government.
Gove is more or less as guilty as the rest, and so is Rees-Mogg, and all the others.
Coup? That’s what is well under way right now.
From what I here the 1922 committee aren’t happy with Boris! Labour and Tories are now neck and neck in one opinion poll!
Do you mean a Counter Coup ?
I’m sure they are sharpening their knives.
Judging from the comments any further real lockdown* will be greeted with a giant F.U. from many people.
*ie not like the pretend one in parts of Manchester where you can’t go to your friends house but you can both go down the pub.
Except I am afraid the entire country is still in lockdown. Every aspect of the bullshit rules, laws, guidance imposed or pushed by central and local government is a continuation of lockdown. Lockdown will not be over until all of these things are gone, an admission that it was a mistake or at least that it’s over is made, and they are replaced by simply giving people accurate information about the risks and treating the virus as one of many circulating. As long as the virus is treated as exceptional, lockdown, or medicofascism to give it a more general term, continues
Here here. Lockdown is far from over, not to mention the threat of the reintroduction of restrictions acting as a brake on so many activities/businesses. They’ve set a precedent, and they know it works and they’ll happily use it again. And again.
One objective is clearly to destroy small and medium size business to make people dependent on the state.
The big stores in my city centre seem to be doing fine judging by the traffic flows in and out but my outlying high street of mostly independent stores is looking tired and sad compared to six months ago.
It sure looks that way. Otherwise why would they have prolonged this stupidity for so long? They do have a plan and we’re not going to like it very much.
I agree. What we think of as the Government has declared war on us. As others have said, there has been a coup. It matters nothing who is PM or who tries to take over, nothing will change. Starmer could be even worse. I am not sure how Brexit fits in but I fear it’s all a side-show now, at most another way to keep us divided. Either way, those predicting mayhem and food shortages may well be right. Take your pick of ‘conspiracies’ as to who is actually in charge and the ideology behind it. I suspect what is planned has some of the hallmarks of so-called Communist China (massive surveillance and control) while actually serving globalist turbo-capitalism following, at worst, a sinister and warped ‘Green’ (population reduction) agenda complete with mandatory vaccines. Anyone involved at Government (including advisory) level is either already signed-up to what is going on (bought-off) or they are as brainwashed and deluded as most of the population they are meant to serve. A small percentage of back-bench MPs seem to be sceptical, probably proportionate to the electorate but they have no clout. Lockdown is very much with us and is not about to go… Read more »
Yes, Miriam.
There was a link to a video last night, some American chap, saying that mass civil disobedience was the best way forward. We must NOT COMPLY with the Government’s directives; and must encourage others to have the courage to do the same.
He mentioned this video clip which sums it up well for me:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=peter+finch+network+i%27m+as+mad+as+hell&t=opera&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddib2-HBsF08
That’s brilliant!
I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it any more!
How many CCTV cameras have been installed in London?
I absolutely agree that lockdown hasn’t ended. In fact it feels more like lockdown now than when we were officially locked down; every trip out is so depressing and stressful because of the masked faces everywhere. Mrs BTL and I haven’t set foot in a shop since M-Day apart from the local Coop for bare essentials – otherwise it’s been outdoor farmers’ markets and the veg stall set up outside the pub. OK for now, but cold and wet once winter sets in! If big business hasn’t pushed back to date, there’s little prospect of them doing so now – they’re all planning to reduce their cost base. Here are some of the conversations in HR and corporate planning: “Mr Jones, I see you were on £40k pa; you can work from home now and as you will be saving on travel costs, the salary will be £35k next year – oh, and the hours will be 8 till 6, not 9 till 5.” “We’re keeping you on, but only on a one-year contract, as we’re looking to offshore the role to a home-worker from the Caribbean at £20k pa in 2022.” “The last 6 months has shown us that we can… Read more »
Everything is broken, smashed to bits. Life is shit. Everything is miserable. The world out there is scary and it’s full of cu…
I don’t want anything to do with any of it. I am getting ready to shut the doors, close the curtains disengage totally with everybody and everything that used to make up my already pretty empty life worth living.
I don’t want to talk to anybody as they will invariably be brainwashed fools.
Apart from that, everything is fine.
Oh I don’t know, just filled up in a busy petrol station, not a mask in sight, all Covid signage gone. Their card reader declined mine even though there is plenty on it, just as well I always carry cash because I don’t trust the coming cashless society.
Currently having a coffee in a pub garden, more the half the tables occupied by happy maskless people, not bad for early lunchtime on Sunday.
Right, I am going to go out for Sunday lunch. Fingers crossed it won’t be PPE HELL. I know a really BASIC pub who I know don’t give a flying monkey toss about COVIDS.
So my first choice of a Sunday lunch establishment, easily the best in town, no cash and the staff wearing face nappies. So F*&k them.
So I have just come back from a Toby Carvery, actually it was all pretty normal. The only new normal BS was that I wasn’t allowed to serve myself the vegetables and gravy and some mental but low-key social distancing BS in place. No face nappies!
Nice grub too and reasonably priced. The beers available were quite restricted, table service only I think and it wasn’t very busy. No track and track either, perhaps if I payed with a card or booked a table it might have been different. I wasn’t asked anyway.
Can I take it from your reply to me above that my post helped you to decide to go for what sounds like a pleasant lunch ? If so, glad it helped.
Had a problem with a card the other week – again would never ever go out without cash, partly for this reason. Had to return something in store, shop would only refund via contactless, ok fine. Next time I came to use the card (not in a shop), it was declined. On the call to the bank. they explained if the retailer does something wrong or the contactless payment isn’t 100% ok the first time, it triggers a block.
Not a fan of some shops beginning to almost verbally attack people now for the crime of carrying a few pounds in cash – mentioning no names (cough, cough Waterstones) more so when I point out the lunacy of their policy which encourages dozens of hands being smeared over a card terminal which they refuse to clean or sanitize.
I’ve never understood the assumption that plastic cards are less likely to be Covid soiled than cash.
Two-Six, I think my ‘I’m not Brainwashed’ badge came from you? I wear it shopping.
Too, how about one that says: ‘I’m as mad as hell – and I’m not going to take it anymore.’
From this, of course:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=peter+finch+network+i%27m+as+mad+as+hell&t=opera&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddib2-HBsF08
Yep you got it from me, I am glad you DID actually get it, I have had a few go missing in the now almost totally quadra-spazzed post office system.
I found a flyer in Morrisons ,maskless and a few more without as well…, advertising gigs next year at the Cavern Lounge Liverpool, made me feel a bit more positive.. for a mo!
All of the above will happen, whether or not the daft rules about masks, one way systems, leaving contacts in pubs, stickers on pavements etc go away, or not. We’d better get used to it. And adapt, as so many consumers have already to Zoom and online shopping. Savvy businesses will fill gaps, non savvy ones will disappear. Just like society does with all major changes, like the eradication of domestic service via automation. To want to return to the exact way things were is crying for the moon.
Move along everyone, nothing to see here. MW
Making a virtue out of your submission helps no one.
And where do you get the idea that domestic service has been ‘eradicated’ just because everyone has a vaccuum cleaner? Before batflu domestic/home help services were used by a larger percentage of the population than at any time since pre-WWI. It’s simply that the servants don’t live in any more.
You’re absolutely right. Our town now looks like an open prison full of chain gangs, shuffling in queues, without the chains (at the moment) but with the added indignity of the mask, that makes them almost look shameful. It’s utterly vile but they all seem to accept this quite happily. Businesses are very complicit in this, with their petty bloody rules. They don’t seem to care that are far fewer customers now. I’d have thought they’d have kicked off but no. It’s like everyone is under a spell! I also avoid as many shops as I can now – a part of me dies every time I have to go shopping.
“Sales moved online”.
A manager of a medium sized Major Supermarket told me a month ago that yes, online sales had boomed but not to their benefit. They are so heavily discounted as to make no profit but they and their competitors are all to scared to be the first to break ranks and up prices.
Dunno if it’s true but it’s what he said.
I don’t see that at all. I think the price of food has risen quite steeply.
Not steeply for me but noticed 10p here and 20p there – with a possibility to creep of course.
Exactly. I noticed in Lidl various things which used to be 99p are now £1.09, that kind of thing.
While agreeing with all you say, I’m in the happy position of not being affected much by lockdown even at it’s most strict. Out and about as key worker throughout, stopped going out in the evening years ago, no dependents, mask exempt, yet still I find it hateful.
Modelofacism perhaps.
A bit late now isn’t it? These businesses have been cowardly and kowtowed to every government diktat on Covid 19 “safety” which as a result have given their staff the licence to treat customers like dirt.
If they’re really serious about saving their businesses then they should grow a spine – push back, end all that “safety” nonsense and enforce a zero tolerance policy on their staff who treat customers like shit.
Until that happens they’re still not getting a penny from me.
True. Keenly following all of the stupid guidelines also helps to perpetuate the fear that they say Hancock shouldn’t be propagating.
Collectively, big businesses probably have more real power and influence than politicians. If they have the will, they can end this.
Exactly. All these guidelines don’t foster confidence and deter people from looking at shopping as a pleasure. I’ve lost count of how many people have said that either a) they’ve not been inside a store since lockdown or b) they’re in and out of a shop in less than X minutes after grabbing everything on their list. People are voting with their feet and wallets.
If there’s a will there’s a way – big business, the heritage and cultural sectors, the leisure industry, etc should all band together to demand an end to this lunacy if they want to survive. If they don’t then they will perish and will only have themselves to blame.
Yeah definitely. I barely shop anymore because it’s such a rigmarole with all of the different ‘rules’ in different places. Mostly limit it to Tesco now as I know I can expect a reasonably ‘normal’ and non intrusive experience in my local one. Other discretionary spending outside of the house is pretty much limited to the local pub as it’s quite normal. Even ordering a takeaway can be depressing, never knowing whether you’re going to be handed your food or be treated to a strange ‘contact free’ delivery!
Big business really needs to do something about this, both to make their businesses more attractive to customers and get rid of the unnecessary cost of implementing these guidelines. They probably think they’ll receive damaging pushback from the public. In reality, it would just be the usual loud mouthpieces sounding off.
Agree. I’ve limited my food shopping to the branches of big supermarkets that I know because I can be confident that it will be relatively normal and the staff will be helpful and treat everyone equally. As for takeaway, the places I’ve ordered food from have been ignoring the “contact free” method from the word go.
From my experience at my work I suspect that companies have spent money they don’t have on these pointless “Covid safety” signage, cleaning products, etc. And the abysmal visitor numbers we’ve been getting are not enough to pay for all cloths, cleaning spays, hand sanitiser, etc.True we have people who appreciate the “safety” measures but the fact that we have far less visitors should be telling TPTB that a big majority are not happy and hence why they’re not coming.
I spoke with my mother yesterday. She runs an “antique” shop (it’s junk she buys at car boots and auction) in Devon. She’s in her mid 70s so it’s more of a hobby than anything…ties in nicely with her hoarding tendencies.
It’s clear where I inherited my capacity for scepticism from. Every customer who comes in she announces loudly “you can take that mask off. I won’t we wearing one and I don’t expect you to either”. They all heave a sigh of relief and she says her takings are up twice this time last year despite only being open 3 days a week vs 5 last year.
Message there for health & safety obsessed shop owners. My mother is recovering from cancer, and she’s not scared. And I am not scared for her. She’s happy and enjoying life (and refusing to wear a mask anywhere).
Good for you mum.
That’s the usual reaction when I say the same to masked up people trying to talk to me in public.
A big thumbs up to your mum!!! More power to her!
This is the comment that made my day.
Three cheers for your mother!
I shop less widely than in the olden days but it’s because I try to support those businesses that welcomed my custom during lockdown, did not treat me like a leper or, in the case of petrol stations, have signs demanding that I wash my hands but closed their bogs to paying customers.
Shop in bulk. Buy for five days or so.
Agree.Business leaders are complicit in the lockdown. Why were they so quiet until now?
Good question. My husband thinks its because they’re afraid of any shit storm and being accused of putting their profits ahead of people’s lives.
I hope they’re now realising that they’ve put people’s lives in jeopardy because they’re not making any profits.
Right on!
Seriously I believe Hancock is insane. He needs to be removed ASAP. He’s on a power trip that is crippling this country and seems determined to destroy the country regardless of the stupidity of the Covid rules I cannot bear to listen to any more of the governments opinions on Covid. Why isn’t Parliament doing anything about this?
I do wonder what financial interests both he and members of Sage have in all this. Once you have shares in the vaccine or mask companies you are quids in. And of course there’s the directorships. The international conferences with all the bigwigs. It cant help their judgment.
The tentacles of the pharma industry are everywhere,
The entire medical profession and medical industry has been taken over by them. At every level, in every country and of course at the supranational level.
Here is just one example.
In the UK, doctors must follow procedures that are defined by a public agency called NICE (National Institute for Health and Care Excellence). They decide what is the correct treatment that doctors must follow in each instance. Their board is stacked with pharma company directors. Works the same in most countries.
Pick any aspect of the medical profession, dig a bit, and you’ll discover the overriding influence of the pharmaceutical industry.
The world pharma industry is about 1.4 trillion dollars per year.
The oil industry for comparison is about 1.7 trillion.
It’s huge business and it controls the entire medical profession.
Oil and pharma are directly linked. You can throw Big Ag in there too – hence the sinister plant-based diet nonsense.
Yep, blame J. D. Rockerfeller for that! He went from oil to big pharma!
Hancock had a share in a pharmaceutical company – not sure what hi9s current situation is
He’s from the AI sector.
Maybe he’s an android?
Sounds like conflict of interest to me. Needs serious investigating.
In my opinion they’re all under the direction of the globalists now. UK Column said its becoming more and more obvious that it’s a “government under occupation” and Billy boy with his never empty pockets and vaccine cartel appear to be at the forefront. Hancock, Whitty, Johsnson et al, have sold us all down the river, but are nothing more than obedient puppets themselves, doing the job for their rewards at the end.
I am not defending politicians. They have no morals or, if they do, no courage. However, at some point we need to start asking some deeper questions about why ministers and officials are acting the way they do. I am sure that the number one priority of politicians at the moment is to make sure nobody can accuse them of having blood on their hands. Sadly that’s the way it works now. The media is on the look out for any gotcha story they can sensationalise. And the hysterical, braying masses are easily worked up. The safe approach for Hancock et al. is to overshoot with measures so that they cannot be accused of not having done enough, which seems to be the more likely accusation. I mean, let’s be honest, dealing with teachers’ unions who are hysterically calling for “safety at work” must be a nightmare. And you know that the moment a teacher gets sick somewhere and goes to hospital the media are going to stir up a shit storm. Forget about if one ends up in IC or god forbid dying, then Hancock will be accused of being a criminal with blood on his hands. That’s just… Read more »
The government paid the media to propagandise the public into accepting the scary story. They coud easily use the same tactics to backtrack and get us out. Instead, they are doing the opposite, doubling down on the threats and the fearmongering.
True,but The Sun has a story today claiming that working from home when the children go back to school could damage your mental health.Also the tax rises being discussed for the weathly should concentrate a few minds.
It has far more to do with the development of a social caste than the influence of Big Pharma. Read Peter Oborne’s The Rise of the Political Class. I suspect that one could develop an interesting model of ‘incestuous’ beliefs arising in such a situation … Another aspect has to do with the cowardice of these people; they’ve lived all their lives in safe spaces and and the result is a cohort of arrogant neurasthenics (what a combination!).
What Parliament? They were furloughed months ago.
He really seems to enjoy issuing the draconian threats. Definitely a psychopath.
I think our best hope of the Goverment reversing policy will come from business leaders and Tory donors! I don’t think there are many that will be happy with what the Tories are doing! Plus the Tories have taken a right hammering in the latest polls!
A fine statement from a Human Being:
How has the Human Race survived? By Breathing through our Noses & Mouths! Now the Govt has turned Sheeple into Amoebas, with only one Brain Cell. If you choose to wear a mask or whatever. I wouldnt dream of Bullying you into not doing so. So you wear your Mask, but keep your Nose out of my Choice not to wear one!! I havent worn one yet! Im 72 & if my numbers up, it most likely wont be from a not very lethal Seasonal Flu Virus. Most of us die from Anything but, the Flu. Dementia, Cancer, Heart Conditions or just Old age, etc. Id rather if in that state, get a quick exit helped along by Covid, whichever mutated version is the current one than fester away in Isolation from Friends & Family, no hugs, no gatherings of lots of us altogether like Humans normally do.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676535/Jenny-Harries-says-face-coverings-evidence-not-strong.html#newcomment
👏👏👏👏👏 Well said Annie. My immune system has kept me alive for this long without any flu jabs and it will continue to do so without any Covid jabs!
Frankly I want to rip off Nodcock’s face!
Not my message, it’s from a sturdy Daily Fail commenter.Three cheers for him and all those like him.
I agree with this. As someone with a family history of Alzheimer’s I’d rather have a quick exit from either Covid-19 or flu than endure a prolonged death from dementia. If I was festering in a nursing home I certainly wouldn’t appreciate vaccinations and anything else to keep me suffering for longer.
Hear hear!
For some reason Lovsl Live online has gone entirely Covid/lockdown free again this morning.
Don’t suppose it’s got anything to do with not wanting to discourage returning to school on Tuesday. Effectively propaganda by omission.
Anything that isn’t actively peddling Covid hysteria is a bonus.
Wow…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/government-drive-urging-people-back-office-ice-fears-spike-incovid/
As I asked yesterday do Johnson and Hancock even speak to each other.
This U Turn is incredible since Johnson and Shapps did the selling job on safe return to work on Friday.
Incredible
Good cop/bad cop. Keep people confused and frightened. Control by fear, divide and rule. They are utterly despicable. I tend to think they know exactly what they are doing.
If I learned those two had been found dead in a ditch I would think justice had been served.
I’d be sorry for the ditch.
As a work colleague once said to me about another colleague: “I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire”. That was a long time ago, when workplace “banter” was a bit more fiery than it is these days.
Psy-op!
News from an elderly friend ( a total Covid believer, impervious to argument):
I had to wait outside in my car to be called in for my [dental] appointment but it all worked out fairly well. I only took my walking stick in with me and this was handled in surgery with a paper tissue. However on using the gel on the way out I dropped the stick (it slipped through my hands) and it was handed back to me with yet another tissue. My poor sister who had an appointment with both hygenist and dentist had to pay £7 each time for protective equipment.
[on shopping:]
The most difficult bit is stowing all the items into the cupboard space and I was told to leave the stuff in the shopping bag for 72 hours -so now freezer and cupboard is fairly full. [my italics]
*****
So she leaves all her shopping for72 hours so that all the perishables go off.
What is it about Covid hysteria that destroys the brains of formerly sensible people and makes them blind to the sheer, monstrous silliness that they wade through daily? I know there’s no satisfactory answer to the question, I’m just howling in the wilderness…
Has she actually managed to consume any perishables since March, or does this 72 hour cycle continue in perpetuity?!
Well, she’s still alive, if you can call it living.
Sounds awful. Although this mess is infuriating on a daily basis, we really are the lucky ones not living in a state of constant fear.
As for your friend, an image formed in my head of her making a cup of tea after the vital 72 hour quarantine period, having her ‘safe’ milk curdle as it hits the tea, then going out to buy another bottle and repeating the whole process again!
I despair I really do.
I know people who are fervent believers at work although not as extreme as your friend. While talking about how sad it is that people are leaving through voluntary redundancy, I said that this should never have happened, I still get the usual platitudes about second wave, safety and social distancing.
I’m beginning to think that the threat of compulsory redundancy in black and white or their parents or husband/boyfriend/partner losing their jobs and savings would be the only way to really wake them up now.
Scary stuff.
Here is another one: I know this lady who works in Tescos. She is a lovely lovely lady from Ireland. Very Irish indeed. She isn’t the sharpest tool in the box but she is always smiling and sweet as honey. We have lovely chats at the till and I go to her out of preference every time she is at work.
She lives near me, we chuckle because there is an alley way in front of our house which leads to the end of the close she lives in and to this day she hasn’t figured this out and walks all the way around the road. Bless….
So yesterday I saw her walking home from work in her uniform, which is a long way from we live….
WEARING A FACE NAPPY!!!
I almost cried. Literally.
What have the government DONE TO PEOPLE!!!!!
Bastards.
Don’t know about that, many women won’t walk down an enclosed alley if there’s an alternative. Been goosed too often.
It’s a fine alleyway, short and you can see both ends. Safe as houses.
An off duty Tesco lad told me 2 weeks ago that while not ‘compulsory’, wearing was now “strongly advised” by management.
But wearing one home is taking the biscuit, except for NHS staff for whom it is mandatory.
Ah but you haven’t to touch them once you’ve worn them, so she’s following the protocol safely.
In the news today, a Support Group to assist those still shielding , accompanying them on that first daunting trip to the shops in 6 months.
Ye gods, my 85 year old mum would have been off to her little shops the day they were allowed to reopen.
My mother in law was going to be accompanied on a her first shopping trip since coming out of shielding, by my brother in law, to make sure she was fully following all the rules, using sanitiser, wearing a mask…because she was so terrified…my mum however, bust out her jail as soon as she could. She was supposed to be confined to the house, no exceptions, but she got very depressed and was going stir crazy so she just…went out for a walk or for a bit of shopping…did her the world of good!
Don’t worry, this is what some of our family have been doing since March. They also wear masks in the presence of guests in their homes, or they set up separate tables in the garden for guests to sit at, and they won’t visit us because we refuse to wear masks full stop, let alone in our own house! They rabidly follow all the social distance rules and their hands have become shrivelled and dried out due to overuse of sanitisers. We have refused to follow this nonsense from day one, and are happier and healthier. But we’re the crazy, irresponsible ones, apparently.
Since March the Government has given Nicola Sturgeon a licence to look like she’s the only adult in the room and the media always let her ramble on unchallenged. They don’t even mention her appalling attack on free speech with her Hate Crime Bill.
Meanwhile on the day as the Government wants to encourage people back to work, Matt Hancock starts salivating about a second lock down and the treasury talks of massive tax rises.
We need more of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFT5f3avdOc
I was at the Unite for Freedom rally yesterday, and it was nice to be part of an amiable crowd where no one was social distancing. I saw only two people wearing masks (must have strayed in by mistake) though the police were all wearing them. Like your correspondent, I didn’t agree with all the views of all the people there; but everyone was against masks, the lockdown, and the ‘new normal’.
Thanks for adding your account. And thanks to all who postested their accounts earlier too. Really impressive to see so many were at a protest for the first time.
I saw on streamed coverage police wearing masks and purple latex gloves. Wandering about in soft hats.
“I saw on streamed coverage police wearing masks and purple latex gloves. Wandering about in soft hats.”
The soft hats obviously matched their soft brains! But speaking of the police I saw two trying to stop a man from climbing over the barrier, I swear they looked no more than 16 years old and their uniforms and hat were much too big for their bodies. Is this policing 2020, using kids to do their dirty work?
They will be the latex gloves usually used to examine the rear ends of junkies with, nice.
It’s all the rage now.
Interesting that the police, who do not need to wear masks, were wearing g them. Another political statement from our plod.
A way for poersonnel to hide their face from cameras? To police effectively is to communicate, masks hinder.
I was there, too. The woman who was MC did a bloody good job, IMO. It was a genuinely diverse crowd, in every sense (not just the normally approved of ‘diversity’). I even saw some folks wearing MAGA and ‘Trump 2020’ hats 🙂
Plus, as you say, the crowd was amiable and the mood was entirely positive, as in ‘yes, this is all shit, but we can and will do something about it’.
I agree the MC did a great job. Didn’t agree with all her views but that’s OK. Interestingly, the police right next to the protest were wearing masks. But the 20 or so police standing shoulder to shoulder outside Downing St were not wearing masks. It did look like they were trying to make some sort of point. Why would they not care about social distancing and masks in all locations?
Well done, good for you.
Mr Shapps added that the government’s message to workers was that “it is now safe to go back”, adding: “Your employer should have made arrangements which are appropriate to make sure it is coronavirus-safe to work.
48 hours later Hancock has effectively forced another U Turn.
Meanwhile the “PM” is what still on holiday?
Bozo the Invisible is on perpetual holiday isn’t he? If he was a captain whose ship had struck an iceberg he’d be the first in the lifeboat along with his sidekick Nodcock.
Sorry, but I’m delighted he’s staying away from the spotlight! Just seeing his name on this forum causes gorge to rise, blood to boil, heart attack likely.
Anyway I’m certain he must be constantly liaising with EU leaders with no time for photo ops. Isn’t he?
He hasn’t shaken off the EU shackles, he never wanted to. He’s another worthless bone idle charlatan masquerading as our PM. To think I thought May was the worst PM ever!!
For me that accolade is for Gordon Brown. In recent years anyway.
Hahahaha!
He has already packed his bags just in case things go awry.
How many weeks was his hero Churchill on holiday before total victory became more or less certain?
https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1299791452105474057?s=20
Pin this.
Does this mean that the vast majority of deaths could have easily been attributed to any of the other comorbidities?. Surely if they cannot say 100% either way, it is wrong to “assume” Covid, why not assume the alternative?.
If course it was wrong to assume it was Covid, it that was the Big Lie the government pedalled in order to scare the bejezus out of us. The same with school closures. They thought we wouldn’t take the virus seriously if they were kept open. Masks and social distancing were treated with the same maximum fear factors.
When all is said and done its just another virus that appears then disappears, the government have learnt how gullible the population is and uses it mercilessly against us.
I favour the gallows for Treason.
Just as SAGEs current prediction of 85,000 2nd wave deaths will probably mean the demise of 850 elderly folk already at deaths door of whatever is killing them anyway but will be labelled died with the Covid.
“No longer available”
Told the truth, obviously.
Peter Hitchens’s piece in the Mail today about ‘Rule Britannia’ strikes a chord with me, especially this bit:
I suspect everyone … pictured those haughty tyrants as foreigners in strange uniforms or silly hats, Bonaparte, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin.
We never thought that – when it came to it – our painfully acquired freedoms would be strangled by a jolly, obese, blond Etonian.
Or that a people once famed for their fierceness and independence would be tamed into muzzled, mumbling submissives by a little well-orchestrated fear propaganda.
Never shall be slaves, indeed. What right do we now have to sing it at all, whether the BBC lets us or not?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8677727/PETER-HITCHENS-rant-BBC-Proms-make-slaves.html
My only disagreement is that, rather than the all-embracing we, some of us still do retain the right to think of ourselves as never being slaves.
The thing is I don’t think Boris is running anything.
Hancock appears to be.
With Cummings.
Cummings is out of action at the moment? After his op?
You’re correct about Johnson though – as Tyneside Tigress said yesterday, he’s not governing and is incapable of governing.
He’s damned lucky to be getting an operation, cancer patients are unable to get any treatment!!
Bet he’s going private. Such services are doing a roaring trade …
In Sweden medical services have been adapted, and I hear there are much longer waiting lists than normal for non-essential surgery. So I was somewhat surprised when an acquaintance mentioned in an email the other day that she has recently had breast-reduction surgery! I don’t know her very well (I was actually surprised she even mentioned it) so I’m not sure how long she had been waiting, but she does not strike me as someone who would have been able to go private, so I think she was very lucky to get it done at this time. Especially as we are in Sweden’s 4th largest city, where there have been more Covid cases than in some other areas..
What op? Not heard about that..
Can’t remember where I read it now, but I’m sure I read somewhere that he had it in July, so has been out of action.
It’s well known he’s been due some operation since last autumn. No idea what it’s for. Much as I despise what he’s been a part of in the covid scam, I do hope it goes ok, whatever it is.
It was interesting when Boris spoke about the Proms issue, that he implied he was not supposed to be talking about it and that others were controlling what he says in public..
Of the 4 points your contributor who attended the Trafalgar square rally was not comfortable with: I would agree 100% only with the fourth, that it was all planned and premeditated – there is a wealth of evidence readily available for this. (UN Agenda 21; Rockefeller lockstep; various publications by the World Economic Forum; Event 201 – look into it, and prepare to have your eyes opened) With the second, we are being prepared for mandatory vaccines that will sterilise and/or kill us, qualified agreement – all I am really certain of is 1) somebody REALLY REALLY wants us to get this vaccine; 2) it has nothing to do with protecting us from a virus less dangerous than the flu. So alarm bells are ringing madly, and the question looms – so WHY are they so desperate for us to have it, and what TF is it REALLY for? – and if you put it together with the evidence for (4) – reduction of global population – a very disturbing picture begins to emerge… but I admit the evidence for this is circumstantial, it is an informed guess, there is as yet no HARD evidence on why they want us to have the vaccine,… Read more »
If firefighters have fire engines and hoses and training for putting out fires, does that mean the fires are planned?
If a robber has a black mask, crow bar, stripey jumper and a bag marked swag hss he planned a robbery?
technically he is “going equipped” and can be arrested (it is the crow bar that does it )
Could be off to say a fancy dress do. Point is whatever equipment without proof of intent or evidence of a crime it does not matter.
The publications cited by Jane Harry suggest intent!
I would guess they’re a person going to a fancy dress party. But not really sure I’m following the analogy as intended ha.
Well, it might do if a new type of dangerous fire was predicted (modelled) for which unprecedented firefighting equipment was deemed necessary
If the emergence of new types of dangerous fire was without precedent, that would indeed be odd. If new types of fire emerge all the time as part of the natural evolution of things, maybe not so odd?
Indeed, but I think all of these views are too easily attacked and dismissed in mainstream media and by the public at large, and they are not required to win the argument that needs winning. I think we would be better off sticking to the core message – there was a damaging over-reaction, the virus has shown itself to be much less dangerous than thought, getting back to normal is best FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH STANDPOINT as much as anything.
Much though the sheer madness of the measures imposed on us to combat this virus are so illogical, contradictory and disproportionate, that conspiracy theories quite reasonably fill this vacuum of reason, I really don’t think they forward the cause that I am interested in which is to return as swiftly as possible to the old normal where we all accepted that there are numerous viruses in circulation out there and that containment policies which restrict well established human rights and freedoms are only justified for those with extreme fatality rates (for example Ebola). Unfortunately the conspiracy theories only enable MSM to brand our completely justified fight for our rights and freedoms back as nutjobs. We need to win this battle first before unpicking what the hell it was all about. Though I tend to the view that it is panic and incompetence it is so bizarre and global that it does make you wonder….
Yes. One-pointed protests about the loss of freedoms will be much more effective. However, I think it’s important to understand how and why this is not about mere incompetence, so we know what we’re really up against.
The Old Normal is why we’re teetering on the brink of the New Normal now. We’d better be more vigilant if we ever get back to the Old Normal because these bastards won’t give up without a fight. They’re obsessed and have Utopist beliefs that I could never live with. They are also an affront to the best aspects of The Enlightenment and the thoughts of thinkers like John Stuart Mill.
I would welcome understanding Fluoride as I have been unable to discover how it works to protect tooth decay before now. But it has nothing to do as far as I can see with Sars-CoV-2. I feel it is off topic. It is simply not practical to fight back on every wrong or percieved wrong that was ever done.
I can appreciate others feeling much more strongly about issues who have researched and concluded what they have. Perhaps there is room for vocalising the Precautionary Principle as part of Covid lockdown measure protesting. The Precautionary Principle is only employed when it suits the Government/lobby groups.
Robert Kennedy’s talk to the doctors yesterday was interesting and he mentioned the fluoride issue there.
There is also a difference between biological fluoride and the version found in toothpaste, which is a bi-product of the aluminium industry that they had to find a way of getting rid of somehow. If you look at your toothpaste tube, it will warn of the dangers of swallowing the stuff (even though the lining of the mouth also is the fastest way into the bloodstream (hence why you spray angina medicines under your tongue)…In the US I believe that it tells you on the tube to contact a poison control centre if you swallow toothpaste!
You are correct. I still don’t understand how Fluoride works.
It’s painted onto teeth. Put in water. Brushed against teeth twice daily. It is a curiosity to me.
Fluoride is an industrial waste product and also a neurotoxin and carcinogen. https://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/
The council put it in our water back in the 1970s and my brother promptly became allergic to the water at home – fortunately he lived in London.
It was removed when water was privatised and Yorkshire Water stated they would only add it on local authority mandate – presumably because they know it’s toxic and don’t want the liability.
It hasn’t been mandated in over 40 years, so if the government suddenly start pushing for it, that will prove yet another piece in their insidious jigsaw.
Otherwise it’s irrelevant to our current struggle.
The ‘5G is going to give you cancer’ view is one I don’t know enough about and seem leery of. But … I do think that there’s a credible cause for concern with 5G and monitoring of the population. Don’t forget that the Chinese were going to build it ‘for us’ and I think we know what sort of society they have …
Are still building it and their technology will always be used in it. The Gov have only said from 2027 they will ban the buying of any new 5g kit from Huawei, but by then the majority of it will have been already built by Huawei and the Chinese will have a pretty good foothold in to our communications nework.
5G uses broadly the same frequencies and powers as 2G, 3G and 4G and for that matter all the high power TV broadcast transmitters that have been there for many years. There is no danger, full stop. As for Huawei, that is largely political and since they hold most of they 5G patents it will be virtually impossible not to use their stuff.
Again, I don’t understand the 5G arguments but one thing I hear is that the radiation is no different to that in a domestic microwave. However, the difference is the device connected to 5G is usually kept in a pocket near ones testicles. Is this a cause for concern?
It is if you’re a woman
But no different from a 2G/3G/4G phone. Even at this range the risks are minimal and are well understood.
The 5G War — Technology Versus Humanity
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/06/05/technology-versus-humanity.aspx
5G being installed at the moment in the UK does not use these ‘millimeter’ frequencies, rather shares it with the lower frequencies already used by 2G/3G/4G. Countless studies have been done on all these frequency bands in the past, largely in connection with radar applicatios), their characteristics and safety limits are well known and for mobile phone applications well below that which could cause harm.
Scientific American Warns: 5G is Unsafe
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/scientific-american-warns-5g-unsafe
96 Abstracts with Electromagnetic Radiation Mitigation Research
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/disease/electromagnetic-radiation-mitigation
5G uses broadly the same frequencies and powers as 2G, 3G and 4G and for that matter all the high power TV broadcast transmitters that have been there for many years.
If that were true, why do 5G masts need to be so much taller that they have to be thinly disguised as trees?
They use a much shorter frequency, more akin to microwaves.
WTF??
Have you proof that that is a 5G mast? Many existing mobile phone masts are exactly this construction and height, disguised as trees to keep the environmental people happy. The actual radiating antennas are right at the top in the silver containers. Most masts will have antennas for all the mobile networks available in that area. You can’t tell it radiates 5G just by looking at it.
Sorry but there is a lot of unsubstantiated rubbish put out by people who know absolutely nothing about the technology. In any case it has absolutely nothing to do with our current lockdown issues and will not help our case in the slightest.
I went to a website yesterday to find out what 5G masts look like and the first one shown just above looks exactly like one of them.
As there is a link with those living near Electricity Pylons and Electricity Sub Stations resulting in higher rates of cancer, it should not be ruled out. I believe high usage of mobile phones can cause brain damage too. There must be some reason there are so many masked zombies about.
I read somewhere that the IQ of the current generation is 15 points lower than those 50 years ago – to do with career women not having children, thus on average children are born from a lower intelligence gene pool.
It wouldn’t surprise me if education, TV and technology hasn’t also played some part.
But clearly, compared to my father’s generation, this generation has lost all common sense and spine.
I’d agree… as an acquaintance of mine says ‘common sense isn’t very common any more’…..
It’s uncommon and bordering on the nonsensical.
Well said – that is what Robert Kennedy mentioned yesterday..
Several governments have halted the rollout due to safety concerns.
Google 5G halted safety.
BUT …
this gives others an easy stick to beat lockdown sceptics with – they can say that we are all aligned with your 4 points above, which are certainly not mainstream views.
I hesitate to use the B-word, but my biggest difficulty in the Brexit debate was that once I said I was a leaver [fundamentally for economic and governance reasons], I was deemed to be aligned with racist bigots simply because they were on the train with me. We have the same happening here.
The BBC has for example categorised the Berlin demonstration as people with Nazi flags and those denying that Covid exists. This is not helpful to the cause of allowing us to return to living a normal and unrestricted life, but I guess it’s inevitable.
Categorized? Were people flying Nazi flags or not? As well, why should we ask for permission to get out of this authritarian nightmare?
Jane, you might find this article enlightening, it puts everything you mention together: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/30/patrick-wood-technocracy.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2ReadMore&cid=20200830Z1&mid=DM641317&rid=952601710
Problems overnight in Berlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkxPBs2dgE
Any chance you could summarize, Helen? The only words I understood were ‘tear gas’
Dear Charlie, I watched live, and am German, so I give you a summary of what happened. The official part finished at 8.30pm, having started at 3.30pm with lots of speakers, meditation sessions and music. Then the organiser Markus Haintz, a laywer, had tried to get permission in the days before that people could camp in the huge park area (Tierpark). This of course had been challenged by the police, but the court had not made a decision about it’s legality, so the organiser said he is under the impression they can camp, but discouraged it. As so many people were still hanging around, which the police does not like (not enough distance between people and the danger of infecting each other, officially, and no right to congregate in large numbers on public space). So Markus Haintz spontaneously declared a new demonstration, which is legal, as long as you have a topic and a responsible person who declares themselves as such ( I learned a lot about these laws yday), they had speakers on the stage ( a requirement), but still the police finally cut them off about 11.30(?). They came into the backstage area, did not let anyone get… Read more »
Thank you, Silke. Really interesting! Quick thinking from Markus.
Thanks for the account.
Fantastic!
It was confusing. Live streams kept being taken down and I found it difficult to follow. As far as I can tell things went well yesterday afternoon and the speeches were allowed (on 1/8 the police closed the stage). However later in the evening the police tried to clear demonstrators from one area near the stage. The police used a ‘request then lift method’..not arrested, just moved. Looked OK to me but there were reports of rough treatment. No water cannon, no tear gas evident in this area. It seems same thing happened today eventually the police withdrew a bit. In retrospect I wonder if the police were just practising crowd control with relatively peaceful people (except for a few historical women..had enough of those in the mask wearing population). Who knows but there seemed to be no aim to the police actions.
OOoops hysterical
Apparently the police were chasing people through the park when they group tried to go for a peaceful sunday walk. Watch Kai Stute and Bodo Schiffmann hiding. You can hear the police and frightened people.
“Evidence that masks protect from Covid ‘not very strong in either direction,’ says UK’s deputy chief medical officer“
https://www.rt.com/uk/499429-evidence-masks-effective-not-strong/
Crowds as far as the eye can see in Berlin at an event banned by the German government – addressed RFKjnr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSJod56JfGA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1H-1qlgvJia9agkHGzMCwjrbJuxWcafRD_UNSJrpR67EmfFJ0cCVEQxcs
Lets get the facts straight. The BERLIN government tried to ban the event, which was overturned by a court. The police then put in a complaint to a higher court, which was overturned by the higher court.
During the march, police stopped it, forcing people to stand close together, therefor claiming they were breaking distance rules, which was an order by the court for the demo to go ahead. Police tried to remove participants with force. Supreme court in Germany in a rapid complaints review declared the police action illegal and march continued. Official number 38k, unofficial more like 2 mill.
Sadly MSM report only few minutes about an event which was spread all around Berlin and lasted 17hours. The last demonstrators left at 2.30am. (I watched it live on YT)
Sadly there were some violence ready protesters at the Bundestag, which was met with very heavy police presence, and of course this also makes the headlines.
Some more pockets of protesters outside USA and Russian embassy which apparently caused some ruckus and led to arrests.
Thank you Silke for this explanation of what *really* happened!
The link uses footage from several YT channels, I recognised Samuel Eckert and Bittel TV, who are 2 famous channels reporting from the event, live streaming for over 10hours!
Looking at children’s clothing online yesterday, noticed several stores offering cloth face masks for young children. M&S, H&M. Can we please have a daily section shaming these companies.
where there is demand there is a supply
Yes, like IG Farben supplying death camps with ZyklonB.
They should be prepared for legal action if a child develops health issues from wearing them.
When attending a Safeguarding course the subject of what constitutes child abuse and how to spot it arose.
Someone suggested mother walking with baby in a papoos or pushchair while staring at her phone might be a form of such abuse since she is denying her baby the eye contact needed to create bonding and to judge whether mummy is sad or glad with baby.
This was supported by most of the women present with some of the older ones getting quite fierce about it (I kept out of it).*
Given that there are more muscles in the human face than anywhere else in the body that are evolved/designed to aid visual interaction how is denying baby such non-verbal communication not a form of child abuse?
Baby is also not able to lipread mummy so will have a much reduced vocabulary not to mention insecurity issues and lacking the ability to form relationships.
*venue was a pub function room and was crowded enough to make Safeguarding Awareness Training fun in these social distancing times.
A protest? In London? 35,000 people? What? Where? How? When?
[The reaction of an alternative me who relies solely on the BBC website for news]
No mention of it (or the Berlin one) on Talk Radio either.
BBC radio news reported on the Berlin protest bring permitted on appeal but no mention of London.
There is a dark side to human nature I find the current situation deeply disturbing The vast majority of the British people are thick. Their lack of intelligence is such that they cannot think for themselves. They love being told what to do by the government and the BBC. Without these crutches they are lost. A nation that watches ‘Britain’s Got Talent’ (when by any measure they surely haven’t) and ‘The Great British Bake Off’. The later involves (I’m told) morons glued to a television screen for hours on end watching gormless people trying to cook something. As an exercise in pig ignorance that takes some beating A nation that celebrates the existence of Simon Cowell and Piers Morgan but has no idea who Dostoevsky is Their lives are so mundane and boring that the chance to fight against an unseen killer bug is the most excitement that they will have ever experienced The threat from the virus also gives them an excuse to virtue signal ad nauseum Each act of hand sanitising, face nappy wearing, or snitching on neighbours is ‘life affirming’ (to quote the muck generated by Hollywood) Of course history repeats itself. A problem is however that… Read more »
I wouldn’t blame the public. I would just nod to Vilfredo Pareto. The scaling law he discovered is pretty much universal and applies to all sorts of things, including herd behaviour and herd hierarchy.
But also give a nod to the chaos specialists who discovered the odd Predator-Prey behaviour. Only when we almost crash do we see the light. It’s the nature of things and we are in for more horseshit.
Unfortunately these thick people also include those well educated academically with multiple degrees to their name and those who have made a success in their lives.
Both don’t make them immune from succumbing to bouts of irrationality like this current crisis.
Quite true. One thing I have found working in information security is that it is usually the C-Level execs who fall for Phishing scams and Social Engineering.
The problem is for at least 20 years the Universities have produced people who have been taught what to think and not how.
An interesting comment.
Looking back to WW1. The slaughter for no gain. Year after year. The comanders, etc. who made the operational plans. The public who lived with the drip, drip until a generation of men were killed. How did the public at home deal with that? There appears to have been more thinking people around back then. Is the power of brainwashing propaganda so strong?
Yes!
No, they won’t kill us, because we are wise to their game.
Let them kill themselves.
Send them an ample supply of hemlock.
What a snob. You need to get out more and talk to the public you are attempting to deride.
I’m not sure the public are so easily brainwashed judging by the number of skeptical comments we’re now seeing in the Mail and Express.
The nazis and communists had to rely on substantial coercion. A lot of the people in masks are only doing it because they’re following the rules. If you go shopping you find nearly everyone is wearing one but only a small minority are scowling furiously from behind it at anyone who isn’t. And that’s just as often out of respect for rules as fear of the virus.
I remember when we had one-way systems in shops people used to base their arguments solely on the rule of Rules. “Can’t you see the arrows?” Nobody ever accused me of attempted murder.
There’s no harm in watching idiots bake cakes as a way to relax after reading Dostoevsky. Presence of stupid behaviour does not prove stupidity. You have to find absence of intelligent behaviour. But in many ways it’s the people who think they’re smart who are more at risk from pseudo-scientific brainwashing.
But who pens and who reads these comments, even in those papers?!
Definetely not the bulk of their target audience.
Not sure which side has the majority, but we can see an encouraging change. Back in early June many commenters were proposing on-the-spot public caning of Covidiots, to much approval from the peanut gallery.
I have not yet had an actual conversation with anyone at all who thinks that the current situation is right. Nobody who likes it, nobody who supports it. At the same time, virtually every one of those people goes along with the rules when they’re visible. They’ll wait patiently outside a shop until it’s their turn to go inside and then they’ll put their mask on and sanitise their hands, as instructed. They’ll scribble their name and number down in the “track and trace” book. It’s because they don’t want to cause a scene, because it’s easier than arguing about it and because of the risk of a fine. Now, admittedly I’ve heard some comments out and about on the street “the virus hasn’t gone away, you know” “we have to be careful” that have made me roll my eyes, but and admittedly, I’m very cautious about who I actually have the conversation with, especially at work, but unless I’m just very lucky that every single one of my wider social circle is fundamentally more sane than the average, or unless everyone’s just agreeing with me in the hope that I’ll shut up and go away (c.f. compliant behaviour for… Read more »
Well yes, as far as it goes, but it’s impossible to know the numbers isn’t it? Because the terrified are still behind their doors catered to by their carers and family members.
I too have not been challenged – yet – and unlike other posters, I linger unnecessarily in supermarket aisles to expose an unmuzzled face to as many sheeple as I can, wearing an exemption badge so giving everybody an opportunity of reading it. Childish I know!
Not childish at all.Life-affirming.
Not childish. Setting an important example of normalcy and educating people.
The thing is, even if people no longer believe what the government is saying, they need to do more than just (partially) not cooperate, because the list of things we cannot do is getting ever longer. At some point it will no longer be enough to just ignore rules, it will be impossible to ignore them. For example when a negative test or vaccine is required to enter shops, work etc. Once the government succeeds in imposing all that, then we have lost..
Ireland has already introduced a type of covipass..saw the film yesterday on how it works..
A lot of people are unsure who is the guardian and who is the prisoner.I am. Like Number 6, Patrick McGoohan, in The Prisoner. Makes it difficult to break the ice to varying degrees. Each person is hesitant to make their declaration known to strangers, or even friends. That’s an East Berlin mentality. That has made it easy for the government to seed a climate of mistrust.
Many will share the frustration of the above commentator, if not his taste in literature. I, for one, found Crime and Punishment in translation completely unreadable. Probably the original is a great deal better….. Nevertheless I have never doubted that there exists a sector of British society ready to leap to the bidding of a totalitarian government, no matter how radical the instructions given to them. It is one of the great charms of this site that it throws up so many matters of interest connected, but not intrinsic, to the ‘covid b*ll*cks’ (as christened by that heroine yesterday on twitter). Worryingly, international law, since the 1998 Rome statute, appears to be less clear cut on the defence of ‘superior orders’ than it used to be. http://ejil.org/pdfs/10/1/571.pdf Let us hope that the ‘covid b*ll*cks’ may, in due course, provide a much needed rerouting of ‘the good intentions paving company’ once the U.S. Presidential election is complete. https://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-good-intentions-paving-company.html Surely the scandal of the most grotesquely pointless piece of global self harm perpetrated in error by the biggest collection of pathetically witless ninnies as premiers yet seen, will eventually and ultimately prove too tempting, lucrative, even for the contemporary, arguably most egregious… Read more »
I read Crime and Punishment in German, cannot comment on the quality of translation, but found it excellent. When it was on tv in Britain, I got it out of the library. Did not get past chapter 1, as it is terrible in english. Very sad.
Sounds like you tried the Garnett translation. The one by Sidney Monas is better, though hard to find nowadays.
If you read Part One, Chapter 7 you will never forget it.
“perpetrated in error” ?? I think not. Money demands that the people who are indebted to it play their part without question.
It’s for your own good. The usual excuse made to explain their irrational behaviour.
These are also the people happy to mock the idiots at the start of the BGT and X-Factor competition in the same way as watching a “freak show” but it’s fine because mocking them is funny!.
Cecil, the vast majority of people may not be as bright as you, but they aren’t thick. [I class myself as reasonably intelligent, but enjoy an evening diet of Lovejoy, Marple or Midsomer Murders rather than Dostoevsky, to let the daily trauma subside – another man may prefer Bake-Off and BGT].
As a nation I think we tend towards politeness and obedience to the law (attitudes which are proving unhelpful in the current situation). So, most people are going along with the nonsense so as not to offend others.
If we had a leader who espoused a Sceptic viewpoint and was allowed air-time, I have no doubt he would find many followers among those you deride.
Hitler ” Thank God The people are stupid ” Eichmann” It is good to be obedient, it makes for a comfortable life”
So why only 85,000 deaths this winter? We were promised 500,000 so we should be due at least another 450,000 in any reasonable worst case.
Experience suggests that you need to divide by ten or twenty to get the true figure (using Ferguson’s figures). So quite a mild flu season then.
Chances are it will be a mild flu season as all those susceptible to respiratory pathogens will have been caught by corona earlier in the year, and if their health was poor enough, have died already. You cannot die twice.
Don’t give them ideas! They would love people to be able to die twice, would work wonders for their figures.
That’s why they want to ramp up the flu vaccination programme – lots of studies saying the vaccine makes people more susceptible to other coronaviruses. I think the aim may be to create an new group of ‘vulnerable’ to kill…
I only saw one such study which was based on viral interference in children. The idea is that the generic antiviral response to one virus reduces your chances of getting another one at the same time. Since flu and Covid-19 appear to have similar mortality it’s probably not worth actually having flu to protect yourself from C19.
There was another study done on men in the US army (so young and fit) who became much more susceptible to viruses after having the flu vaccine.
I was in the U.S. Army many years ago. We got a lot of shots. Which year was the study that you read about?
I was in lockdown for six months in U.S. Army until I escaped to Canada. The last book I read in the U.S.A. was Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’. A fast read. Read it while waiting for my flight to Victoria, British Columbia.
yes .. i am so pissed off with everything i will happily chip in with a dozen or so.. I am writing my list now .
Wow so only 850 if Ferguson keeps to his record.
That’s about 9 a day for 3 months. Actually a reasonable estimate. I don’t know what the number will be but I think it will be closer to 850 than 85000.
I realise that’s humorous mis-quotation for rhetorical effect, but just in case anyone still doesn’t realise, 500,000 was an estimate for the number of deaths in the hypothetical “unmitigated” or do-nothing scenario. This entire site is dedicated to discussing the implications of the fact that “do-nothing” was more-or-less the opposite of the government’s chosen policy.
It seems, on the basis of experience — I hestitate to say, experiment — in places like Manaus or Guayaquil, that the herd immunity threshold was indeed lower than the 80% estimated in February. So if you want a counter-factual comparator based on current data, it would probably have been more like 200,000 deaths (plus collapse of the health service and its consequences) in the hypothetical do-nothing scenario.
The thing that was most ridiculous was the idea that lockdowns and “interventions” would be the difference between 50,000 and 500,000 deaths. There were only ever two plausible arguments for lockdown: flattening the curve to avoid maxing out ICU capacity, and sneaking up on the herd immunity threshold to avoid overshoot. Those don’t add up to a factor of 10. As it turned out it doesn’t look like lockdown saved any lives at all in the UK (but cost rather a lot).
As I said, in hindsight, a better estimate now is that do-nothing scenario would have been 200,000 deaths and collapse of the health service. Compare the situation in London with, say Manaus or Guayaquil. Are you sure that lockdown had no effect?
I can’t find data for how many deaths there were in those two places. But if we look at the whole of Brazil, total deaths would be 174k to be equivalent to the UK (scaling by population size, ignoring demographics and all other factors). They’re on 120k and levelling off so this seems reasonable. It’s not going to be a factor of 5 or 10 difference.
Log-deaths was already flattening before the UK lockdown had a chance to have any effect, so hospitals would not have been overwhelmed anyway. If we’d literally done nothing it might have been worse– but we weren’t doing nothing. We were being careful, washing hands, etc. before the lockdown, in fact right at the peak which was the best time to be doing it.
Oh, and see another comment of mine for what a Reasonable Worst Case means in government planning parlance. It isn’t a prediction. When considering house insurance, the RWC might be that your house will burn down with someone inside. That doesn’t mean you’re predicting that it will. It’s an aid to help you plan for it not to happen and cope in the unlikely event that it does.
Surely they’ve already bumped off the most vulnerable?
There has been so much garbage thrown at us that it is nigh impossible to remember it all. How many people remember Ferguson’s prediction now?
Very short field report.
Clacton-On-Sea Pier. Yesterday.
There is a large indoor section with amusements, restaurants and a new refurbished play area. In the indoor section, masks are mandated, but it is not made clear about the large outdoor section further out to sea.
The entrance is “manned” with tracers collecting personal info and asking if you have masks.
What did surprise me is three things.
1) Large numbers wearing masks in the queue to get in. However, once entering the first section of the pier, the indoor bit, there is mass NON-compliance. No exaggerating, but I would say 1 in 20 wore masks indoors. Maybe less!
2) Staff outdoors wore masks, but those indoors appeared not to. Strange!
3) Ride cleaning between rides appeared non existent.
But point 1 above I found most interesting. So I am giving full marks to the scepticism in Clacton !!
All signs of resistance are welcome.
And the very best antidote to Covid Fascism is FUN.
It was like this a few weeks ago. I live up the coast a bit and with the exception of supermarkets and a few shops, compliance is pretty low. I wouldn’t say everyone is sceptical, but a large majority came out of the bunkers a few months ago and realised the air was okay to breathe.
Grayling and Willbourn describe what others have already termed pot commitment or the sunk-cost fallacy.
Obviously, ze 1940s Germans are the posterchild for that, at least up until climate change and Corona.
This is the main reason now why they, the politicians, ‘experts’ and ‘journalists’, are doubling down so viciously, rather than engaging with the antithetical arguments to establish or improve a synthesis, and it is also the reason why the brainwashed public will continue to follow them into the abyss.
The public CAN now only change its convictions and behaviour AFTER the catastrophe has happened.
That catastrophe will be their own unemployment/ruin, that of the state, probably brought about by a hyperinflation, and, above all, the occurrence of vaccination related damages and deaths, in particular if other countries, like Sweden or Brazil, won’t see either or much less.
The West has committed collective suicide.
It has been suicided.
So the prediction (another vague model) is that we will have a bad flu season worth of deaths but we don’t treat it like a bad flu season? Because the last bad flu season we didn’t do all this idiocy but that’s because it was different?
The only positive is that we have ample evidence now about the calibre of our politicians
Posted this link to the full video of the rally in Trafalgar Square late last night and maybe too late to get much notice so here it is again for anyone interested –
https://www.standupx.info/
Scroll down the page to Events and the video is immediately below the listing for the event.
“A Government drive to encourage millions of people working at home to go back to the office has been put on ice over concerns of a spike in coronavirus cases, the Telegraph can disclose.
Amid signs of confusion at the heart of Cabinet, ministers are understood to have rowed back on plans to launch a major campaign to urge office workers to return to their desks and start commuting again.
They fear any mass return could send infections soaring, and threaten the planned return of thousands of children to school over the next few weeks.”
Shocker.
Yes, but no but..
about the level of coherence we have leant to expect from this Government.
Talk about mixed messages, this Gov flip flop for one hour to the next!
Remember Flip Flop Dave? Bozo and Camoron were both from the same Eton stable.
Flip flops. PM Johnson and his cabinet all prancing about wearing flip flops would make for a humourous cartoon. Silly flip flop walks.
We’re not taking any vazzes. Sod them.
Toby, you should have been heading up this protest, not David “I fear the lizards” Icke. And 5G conspiracy theories. Ye Gods. If the objective of this protest was to give the MMS material to ridicule the whole event, you couldn’t have contrived better than this.I’ll attend no protest that any anti-vaxers are within five miles of. Sorry.
I agree to an extent, I think we just need to stick with the message that lockdowns and social distancing etc are a pointless and harmful reaction to what is a fairly small threat. Simple and undeniable.
But I don’t really like terms like ‘anti vaxxer’ and ‘insert-issue-here denier’. I mean, I’m not against vaccines at all, both myself and my children have had various vaccines. But I would not take a rushed COVID-19 vaccine, especially given the low risk of the illness to me as a healthy 28 year old. Does that make me an anti vaxer? In this polarised society, in the eyes of many, it would…
I think I saw a poll last week, sorry, no idea where, which said that half the UK population would not willingly take a rushed covid-19 vaccine. I would hope that a good proportion understand theat the media use of “anti-vaxxers” really means anti a new, inadequately tested, covid-19 vaccination.
In a post on Twitter, it seems Simon Dolan has heard that they will combine the CV and flu vaccines, ie whatever they want to lace the CV vaccine with, will be put in the flu vaccine, in order to ‘catch’ people who will refuse a Covid vaccine.
What happens in Sweden about vaccinations, Carrie?
Not too sure..I know the swine flu one was offered to everyone (no compulsion) and I think it had just over 60% take-up..
Tegnell has been talking recently about them having to be sure a CV19 vaccine is safe before they offer it here, but that may be because of the swine flu debacle..
Except it doesn’t. The anti vaxxers are big in the US, where the history and practice of vaccination is different, and the financial incentives for over medication are huge.
In my experience so called ‘anti-vaxxers’ are the critical thinkers, the people who have seen vaccine damage first hand and those who have done a lot more research on the topic than the vaccine pushing doctors who make money from them.
The terms anti vaxxer and ‘insert-issue-here denier’ are well known tactics used for many years now by newspapers, social media companies, government, pharmaceutical companies, etc to smear/label people that goes against the carefully structured narrative what they want us to do.
If you have your own lockdown protest with just lockdown sceptic type of people you will also be labelled as some type of denier. Therefore good people that have the brain capacity to challenge things, get used to these tactics and do your best to protest, get your message out and fight for our rights and liberties
PS:
*Before adding your weight smearing anti-vaxxers and other deniers, rather start doing research on these topics. You might be surprised by what you find.
*Lots of people with auto-immune diseases are hurt by some of these unnecessary interventions/exposures
Yep. Vaccines are not one size fits all. There is plenty of diversity in the biology of human beings. Some people are allergic to peanuts or gluten, for example. The fact that they don’t want to test them very stringently makes it all the more dangerous for those of us who might have a bad reaction to the contents of those rushed vaccines.
I wouldn’t be concerned about what the mass media think of the protests as it is always going to be negative or will simply be ignored.
Sure, there will always be a cause or speaker you take issue with but with the collective existential threat we face it is vastly more important we put aside our differences and take every opportunity to promote and practice peaceful civil disobedience if we are to have any hope of winning this battle.
Agreed,unless your protest fits the approved narrative you will be smeared anyway.Remember the media are our enemy too.They have been complicit in this from the start.
The great thing is that we now know a lot of people will vote for a new political party that will fight for our rights and liberties
Yep! With you there. The phrase ‘common cause’ comes to mind.
Yep. I remember anti-war demonstrators.
On the subject of 5G, I found Robert Kennedy’s views interesting (see yesterday’s post where he spoke with other doctors) – he spoke about what the technology enables the elites to *do*, in terms of controlling people, rather than any dangers in the actual technology..
I nominate Dominic Frisby.