UK’s Covid death toll rises by ONE
In spite of all the hysterical talk of a ‘second wave’ this Winter and rising cases in England, the number of people who died in Britain on Sunday was precisely one. The Mail has more.
The country’s death toll is remaining low as just one person died after testing positive for the disease bringing the UK’s total fatalities during the pandemic to 41,499.
Figures on Sunday are usually smaller due to a delay in processing over the weekend.
There were no new deaths in Scotland for the fourth consecutive day. Wales and Northern Ireland each had no new fatalities for the third straight day.
Scotland reported 123 new cases, taking the total number of positive infections to 20,318.
The Mail says that 1,715 people tested positive for coronavirus on Sunday, the biggest daily rise in 12 weeks.
But the death toll continues to fall.
And 40 B&H Please
A reader has an amusing story.
A surreal scene, recounted to me by my elderly neighbour as he queued to pay for his groceries at the local store.
The chap ahead of him (fully masked up) got to the till and said to the girl at the checkout “and 40 B&H please…”
It’s a strange world we live in!
Perhaps the chap had heard that smokers are at a lower risk of ending up in hospital with COVID-19 than non-smokers.
Humiliation for Kim-Jong Dan
A few days ago, an Australian reader cautioned me not to treat the 18-month extension of emergency powers being sought by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews as a done deal – and he was right. After trying and failing to get an 18-month extension, Andrews had to settle for six. The Mail has the story.
Daniel Andrews has sensationally backed down on his plans to extend Victoria’s state of emergency by 12 months, after top doctors branded his government’s handling of the coronavirus crisis a ‘slow car crash’.
A state of emergency – which gives police extraordinary powers to search, arrest and detain – was first declared in Victoria on March 16 and is due to expire on September 13 after several extensions.
Mr Andrews wanted to change legislation so it could be extended for a further 12 months, but was met with furious backlash from the public, civil rights groups and his political friends and foes.
As a compromise with upper house independents and minor parties, who vowed to vote with the Coalition next week and oppose his plan, Mr Andrews has now offered to accept a six-month extension instead of 12.
The premier is also willing to compromise on the terms of the extension and the powers the state of emergency would give police and health authorities, according to the Age.
Let’s hope the mad dictator can’t even get a six-month extension through the Victorian legislature.
Largest Academic Trade Union in UK Uses Covid as Excuse to Down Tools
The University and College Union (UCU), Britain’s largest academic trade union, has advised its members against returning to work because it’s “too dangerous”. The Guardian has the story.
Plans to reopen universities have been thrown into serious doubt as the UK’s largest academic union warns today that it is “too dangerous” for face-to-face teaching to resume, and calls on the government and vice-chancellors to prevent students returning to campuses this autumn.
Around one million students are expected to move around the UK as they head back to universities over the next month, which union leaders and public health experts fear could lead to a dramatic increase in outbreaks of Covid-19.
The University and College Union (UCU), which represents over 120,000 academics, lecturers and university workers, accused the government of “encouraging a public health crisis”, warning that British universities are just “weeks away” from “sleepwalking into a disaster”.
“A million young people are being encouraged to travel all around the UK, move into halls of residence and congregate in large numbers. This could lead to universities being the care homes of any second wave of Covid,” general secretary Jo Grady said in an interview with the Observer.
Jo Grady must know that the chances of the Covid death toll in Britain’s universities matching that in care homes are vanishing to zero. Readers of Lockdown Sceptics won’t need reminding that under-65 year-olds with no co-morbidities are more likely to die in a road traffic accident than succumb to COVID-19. So what is she up to?
The answer, I’m afraid, is that the UCU, like the teaching unions, is trying to exploit the crisis to score political points against the Government – and to hell with the welfare of young people.
Unforgivable.
Eye-Witness Accounts of Saturday’s Rally
A reader has emailed us to tell us about her experience at Saturday’s anti-lockdown rally. She describes it as “crushingly depressing”, I’m afraid.
I had umm’d and ahh’d about whether to attend, because I believe that all the conspiracy theorists are counterproductive to the immediate problem of getting the Coronavirus Act repealed/stopped. But I am also so worried that the governments behaviour during this very strange time is going to continue unless something big makes them change. I guess I looked at a lot of the sites with my rose tinted specs, and although I already knew that Piers Corbyn was going to be speaking tripe, Delores Cahill gave a good speech in Dublin, so I thought we’d make up another couple of bodies and get up there.
The rally was crushingly depressing. The main organisers were SORUK I think, their FB page certainly seemed to have the most sensible pre rally information regarding what NOT to put on your placards..
PLEASE think carefully about what you put on your placards, tshirts, etc…
ON TOPIC, YES MESSAGE SUGGESTIONS ARE:
*No Covid Vax
*Tell the Truth
*We want a real democracy
*Save Our Rights
*Stop New Normal
*Anything related to statistics & cover ups of the truth
*Anything highlighting the devastating effects of the lockdown (eg. cancer deaths increase, domestic violence, suicide rate increase, etc…)OFF TOPIC, NO TO MESSAGES ARE ANYTHING MENTIONING OR ALLUDING TO:
*Bill Gates
*5G
*anti-vax (in general)
*New World Order (NWO)Needless to say, there were plenty of placards highlighting the ‘Plandemic’ ‘5G’ ‘Bill gates, evil mastermind’ ‘NWO’. Probably 50/50 conspiracy theorist placards to those with a more reasonable message. There were no masks and no social distancing.
We arrived just before 12 and most of the protestors were in the fountain area of the square, with the speakers shouting from the base of Nelson’s Column. There was some problem with the PA system, something about the police confiscating their video screen because they hadn’t applied for the right license I think, so for the first 50 minutes we could barely hear the female voice shouting. But then they got some big speakers working and we were able to hear better, although the police helicopter that continued to circle the square for the rest of the rally did make all but the most able speakers hard to hear properly. But that is probably just as well.
It is hard to estimate the numbers of protestors, but I would suggest the numbers were more like 5,000 than 35,000.
The loons were there in number. I had no idea people were linking so many things to the virus. If you believe what they are all saying the outcome is truly apocalyptic. And worse… David Icke spoke. He didn’t actually say anything controversial, thank goodness, but he is the front man of monster raving loonies and his presence there was manna to the theorists and flattening for the rest of us.
I was unable to identify any of the other speakers apart from the three mentioned, so cannot attribute announcements to individuals I’m afraid, but we heard claims that the vaccinations would change us at a genetic level, and once changed we would no longer be considered human and could therefore be killed. We heard that the swabs used for PCR testing contained nano particles that would roam around our bodies for some reason (I didn’t hear why). We heard that something in fluoride was doing something to us (I didn’t hear what). There was chanting including ‘Choose your side’ – great unity message then.
I was tempted to leave on several occasions, but stuck it out because I felt I should try and listen to what was being said. It was a long 3 hours.
It is the first protest that we’ve attended. It was interesting to see the policing of the event. A couple of community support officers walked by, masked up, and I caught their eye and commented that I couldn’t see their lovely smiles. They engaged in a little small talk, bless ‘em, and actually posed for a photograph with me. I had a gilet jaune on with the message ‘REPEAL THE CORONAVIRUS ACT 2020. RESTORE OUR FREEDOM. ACT NOW TO STOP THE ACT. CONTACT YOUR M.P. A.S.A.P.’ A young lady saw us chatting and came and asked if she could take a photo of our backs, 2 yellow met police vests and one protestor vest. The officers agreed. The officers made sure they were facing front so they couldn’t be identified, (even though they were masked up) but I made a point of looking up and smiling at the officer next to me. I wonder if I’ll ever see that photo? The officers then started to walk off before remembering they were supposed to be doing a job, and came back to tell us that we were participating in an unlawful act by being at a gathering of so many people. We said we knew, and understood that they were just doing their job. And off they strolled. Apart from the police helicopter drowning out (thankfully) most of the speakers, we weren’t aware of much of a police presence until we had had enough, and started to stroll down towards Parliament Square.
But another reader emailed with a much more positive account.
I travelled two hours by train to the protest yesterday (no issues using the ‘exemption’ badge printed from your page – thanks) and wanted to add a couple of things to the report you published yesterday.
Firstly it’s worth people of all sorts getting out and joining these kinds of rallies. Even if you don’t agree with the 5G conspiracy, etc., the issues at stake here are far greater than that. Going by the signs held aloft and from speaking to a few people, the vast majority there were not conspiracy theorists. They were advocates for freedom pure and simple. Freedom not to be forced to take a vaccine. Freedom to question the authorities without losing your job (as happened to several speakers from the medical profession). Freedom to send your children to school without a mask. Freedom to see your family especially on their deathbeds.
Secondly it’s necessary to break the law when your basic rights, such as that of free assembly, are being suppressed. If you do so in enough numbers, the police cannot act and so the suppression will end. The entire gathering was of course illegal given its size. Almost nobody wore a mask (illegal given our proximity?). During the rally we were encouraged to hug and shake hands (illegal?) with the people next to us. It felt good, having not done that with a stranger since March. The police did try to stop the rally in a couple of ways: firstly by confiscating the organisers’ amplification and video equipment, then by trying to drown out the speakers by means of a constantly circling helicopter. We waved or made other gestures to the flying cops in a show of defiance. Even so it was slightly intimidating.
Thirdly, in amongst the nonsense of Bill Gates being behind it all, there were some really interesting ideas discussed. For example:
*’peoplescourt.org‘ intends to defend whistleblowers in the courts and hold officials promoting unagreed DNRs accountable
*apparently ‘notice of liability’ letters can be sent to teachers opening them up to charges of malfeasance if your child is adversely affected by anti-covid measures taken in school
*most interesting was a proposal to depoliticise the NHS and return hospitals and surgeries to the local institutions they once were, accountable to the patients in their areas. This would be accompanied by disbanding the GMC and other politicised medical bodies.I left part-way through David Icke’s speech in order to catch a train but from what I heard, I noticed that even if he has some mad ideas, he had to appeal to the loss of freedom and the need to fight facism so as to get the crowd on board. I conclude from this that there is a massive body of sensible opinion out there waiting to be led by someone rational. If such a person or group would appear it could be the start of a new political group that many people traditionally from the Left and Right would join.
Stop Press: Piers Corbyn, who was arrested at Saturday’s rally, has been fined £10,000. The Standard has more.
Round-Up
- ‘The China Syndrome Part I: Outbreak‘ – Part one of a four-part series in Quillette by Philippe Lemoine
- ‘Finally, CDC Admits Just 9,210 Americans Died FROM COVID-19‘ – Principia Scientific highlights the CDC’s admission that only 6% of all Americans recorded as dying from coronavirus had no co-morbidities
- ‘New CDC guidelines are aligned with science‘ – The new testing guidelines are much more sensible, says Jennifer Cabrera in Rational Ground
- ‘Brompton riding high as Covid gets us in the saddle‘ – Nice to see some companies are doing well (and I’m a Brompton owner myself)
- ‘We wanted the toughest possible lockdown, and now we will pay the price‘ – Excellent column from Daniel Hannan in the Telegraph
- ‘“Our service was dead”: NHS worker under investigation after claiming coronavirus is “a load of b*****ks” and admitting she did “f*** all” during the pandemic‘ – Shocking story of an NHS worker being penalised by her employer for dissenting from Covid orthodoxy
- ‘Finally, states are retracting Hydroxychloroquine bans’ – Prohibitions on the use of HCX in the treatment of COVID-19 have been lifted in Ohio and Minnesota
- ‘Entire flight to Cardiff told to self-isolate after seven confirmed COVID-19 cases‘ – Absurd over-reaction. The evidence that Covid can be transmitted on planes is threadbare at best
- ‘How the media has us thinking all wrong about the coronavirus‘ – Decent piece by Emily Oster in the Washington Post about how people have a tendency to over-estimate the risk posed by COVID-19
- ‘A bluffer’s guide to surviving COVID-19‘ – Statistician Tim Harford calculates that the risk of becoming infected and dying from COVID-19 in London are about one in two million
- ‘Investigation: African migrants “left to die” in Saudi Arabia’s hellish Covid detention centres‘ – Harrowing story from Saudi Arabia about the appalling conditions in Covid detention camps
- ‘The BBC has a real chance to reform after losing sight of its purpose‘ – Robbie Gibb with some advice for the BBC’s incoming Director-General Tim Davie
- ‘Red-listing of Ibiza and Mallorca a disaster for local businesses‘ – A report in Euronews about the catastrophic impact of red-listing the Balearic Islands
- ‘Treasury officials push for bombshell tax hikes to pay for virus‘ – And there we were thinking it would all be paid for by a magic money tree
- ‘Refusal to wear a facemask linked to sociopathy‘ – What nonsense is this in the Times?
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Five today: “Living in Fear” by the Power Station, “Scaremonger” by Total Science, “Nothing is Safe” by Grannysmith, “Make It Up As We Go” by Jason Derulo and “We Are Led By Fools” by Jayo From Cpt.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 2nd to Oct 12th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 31,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: King David High School in Manchester is insisting that children aged 12 and above wear masks in classrooms.
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World’s gone mad
Icke; The Trafalgar Square Turd
Unfortunately this articles does hit the nail on the head. Icke will always be linked with crackpottery based on his previous record even if he may be right.
What this event needed was figures like Toby, Hitchens, Heneghan, etc to give it credibility and attract more people who are believing the mainstream account.
Icke knows that his presence would affect the credibility of the event and should not have not appeared, but Icke is about making money and always has been so will never give up the chance to self publicise himself.
Good assessment.
I’d agree. It’s a pity in a way, as his message is ultimately about love.
With anything something only needs to have 10% truth for it to be believed. As with 5g.
But his view on this virus is very close to the mark in terms of origin, the lockdown measures and his interviews with BRIAN Rose at London Real do stick to this in the main
Agree. TBH even Mr Young isn’t ideal as a figurehead as he’s seen as an evil Tory. Even Hitchens, though in his case he’s not a Tory. Dolan is attacked as a heartless businessman who doesn’t even live in the UK. Someone like Sumption would be best. Heneghan is best as a scientist rather than explicitly supporting a movement. Not disrespecting in any way the work done by Icke, Young, Hitchens, Dolan and not disrespecting “consipiracy theorists” who in general I think are wrong but I am not sure and it doesn’t matter anyway.
I nominate Alistair Haimes. On Delingpod, June 20, 2020. Along with Dominic Frisby.
Toby is only seen as an ‘evil tory’ by people of such repellent opinions they should be ignored. Attempting to choose a ‘moderate’ is to play by their rules and is foolish.
The article has it right. I was there, and it was pretty much the feeling I took away. Most of the people attending had their heart in the right place, but Saturday would win lockdown scepticism no new friends.
Which is exactly why I wasn’t there. The lack of serious people and the ranting conspiracy loons just shoot the rest of us in the foot.
Not going because there won’t be enough people like you is rather ironic, don’t you think?
What’s that quote about evil triumphing while good men do nothing?
Yes absolutely correct. I attended and talked to people, and there were lots of normal people from all sorts of backgrounds just frustrated with the situation of being ignored and unrepresented.
It was a complete mix of society and backgrounds not just metropolitan elite or far left like many protests. We had to try to do something. I have been writing to newspapers and my MP for months it does absolutely nothing.
Well done Daryl. You did your bit and I applaud you unlike the miserable whingers who blame Ickes and Piers Corbyn presence as a reason they didn’t get off their backsides to attend the rally. Yes you all know whom I talking about! They werent the only speakers there!
Yes, indeed! Except for the calling of them ”elite”. They’re NOT.
So the best way to have challenged Hitler would be to have gone on a Communist march even if you think Commies are as bad as Nazis? This is not a bipartisan issue and because I object to government policy, don’t wear a mask and won’t be vaccinated with an untested vaccine against a not very dangerous virus does not mean I am an ally of 5G anti vaxxer conspiracy nut jobs. Evil is not going to be defeated by good people riding the crazy train.
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
The spoon long enough to sup with some devils does not exist
Absolutely. I could not agree more Steve.
I’ll go with the reasonable non-conspiracy theory majority here – the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Unless your experience of warfare is considerably greater, SD ?
Actually it may be (defeated by good people riding the crazy train). Unfortunately we can’t choose our fellow protesters, but the stakes are so high that we must stand up now, before it’s too late. I was at the protest and most of the people I mixed with were normal. I was surprised how uplifting it was being in a crowd of people who were behaving normally and smiling.
We must be aware that we (who attended) are now all criminals – if the likes of Piers C are prepared to put themselves forward and be fined on our behalf then that’s fine.
Paul Chandler
Totally agree. This was about getting out and showing that we are not buying the narrative and the lockdown was wrong then and wrong now. A line in the sand if you will. This was not the time for sitting back and feeling queezy about certain individuals. And I say that as someone not a fan of Icke. But both he and Piers (who I like) were however the best speakers of the day.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Rinse and repeat.
Actually, if you all check out James Corbett’s report on Bill Gates, you might think a bit differently about what is conspiracy and “fringe,” and what has become our new normal in terms of actual events. Who, one year, or even six months, ago would have dreamed of the craziness we are now experiencing, esp, in, say, Victoria and Scotland?
Don’t be so quick to assume that your views are normal and everyone else is a loony. And go to the protests.
Some of the comments here remind me of how the protests against the Iraq War were reported and *shown* in the media. On one demo I attended in Washington, DC (traveled from Boston to do so) there were many normies such as grandparents and parents with kids/grandchildren etc. along with a few of the purple hair/pierced nose set. Guess what types of photos appeared in the MSM.
Don’t discredit and deride those who are your potential allies just because they use a differetn style. Understand that extremer fringes are NECESSARY for a “reasonable middle” to be established.
Ditto. Like many I so wish this 5G and anti Vax message wasn’t present. Rubbish and distraction. But it is apparent that this vaccine specifically is a different story, and Corbettreport.com etc offer a superb documentary on Gates and pharmaceuticals. No conspiracy present. It does no harm to watch something, read references, and draw ones own conclusion.
If the Nazis have the government, the courts, the police, big business, and the media – of course !
Yes it does. Ally doesn’t, and never has, meant agreement on all points. Or even some points. It means united against a common foe, in a specific conflict.
Sorry if this makes you feel grubby.
Me good you crazy. I can at least follow the logic, it’s the conclusions it generates I find more difficult.
You’re right. Even if we knew that some who are seen as ”conspiracy theorists” would be there, we should STILL not allow them to gain the moral high ground. That is OURS.
I wasn’t able to be there, sadly. I will be should there be a gathering nearer to my home – but we MUST show our support, even if we know that those seen as ”nutters” are high profile enough to muddy the waters. It’ll even out in the end, and we’ll gain ground.
Icke is simply telling it like it is. The long planned Covid-19 event is not just about lockdowns, masks and other irritating distractions. It is about Bill Gates, control, mandatory vaccines and population reduction. We are in a fight for our very survival and shooting the messenger isn’t going to help one bit.
Crackpot conspiracies preceded Covid 19 and their adherents simply import them into every issue.
If cv19 hadn’t actually happened and someone explained the plan to shut down half the world with a virus that was responsible for some 0.06% of deaths there would be people shouting ‘conspiracy theorist’. Trouble is that actually happened. And people are still shouting ‘conspiracy theorist’.
Watch ”Amazing Polly” on Youtube. Yes – she’s enthusiastically extreme – but, then, perhaps those who are our enemies need to be shouted at.
I understand Icke has strange views but I feel he has made valid points regarding coronavirus and lockdowns. Icke believes that one purpose of lockdown is destroy small and medium sized businesses so that big businesses have a monopoly. Lockdown is a perfect way of achieving this. For months vast numbers of businesses couldn’t legally operate which then has a knock on effect on other businesses. If these businesses close supermarkets and Amazon have less competition. Another theory Icke has is that lockdowns are deliberately designed to create mass unemployment so that people become dependent on the government which is an effective means of controlling the population. Lockdowns have created massive job losses.
I don’t go in shops any more since I can’t stand being surrounded by masked zombies. I never use Amazon. Instead, I am doing a lot of my shopping on eBay. Shops on eBay are largely run by individuals and small businesses, just not always ones with high street storefronts.
Yes, but the downside is Ebay and Paypal take a large percentage of the sales price and can kick you off the platform at anytime. They have a very dominate market position (and I bet they don’t pay much in the way of UK corporation tax as they will have an Irish European HQ).
I use Amazon and eBay.
I agree. If I venture into a shop I have to hand a light chiffon scarf. That’s only for use if the assistant is wearing one, as a courtesy. Muzzles make me feel coerced, embarrassed and fraudulent. I will NOT wear one. And I know I’m not alone. We should all sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Small businesses such as John Lewis, M&S, Debenhams, BP, BA, Rolls Royce?
I agree that Icke doesn’t mention that big businesses are also hit by lockdowns.
Lots of people believe that. Icke brings nothing new to the debate morally or intellectually but he brings a hell of a lot of baggage. For anyone that wants to dismiss sceptics as not the full ticket Icke’s involvement paints a target on all our backs.
Cuckoo
Shoot Bill instead.
I wish someone would! There are a lot of evil people about but Piers Corbyn and David Icke aren’t evil!
It’s the old stopped clock syndrome again – can be right a couple of times a day.
But Icke is much too associated with barmy Moony-type stuff to be other than a drag on any cause that he hitches his wagon too.
When I hear things like this I always think of Alex Jones at InfoWars. In the first place, if people identifying as ‘journalists’ had chosen to do their jobs, Jones would still be broadcasting a radio show from his spare bedroom. The fact that he is not, is not proof that millions of people are conspiracy theorists, but that millions of people think they’re being lied to and want an alternative point of view, and he’s the one providing it. And as much as Jones is called a crackpot, he was the first to home in on Bilderberg meetings and ask questions about them. When several dozen very influential and very busy people get together for a couple of days and tell the world there is nothing to see, it is right to ask questions. I am probably less bothered by Icke and his lizard people simply because as an American I have a high tolerance for harmless crackpots. This country was built on them. But why can’t the crackpots be right sometimes, and say so when everyone else is too worried about their social standing to speak out? The other side is built of crackpots (men can be women,… Read more »
I don’t think protests work.When over a million people marched against the war in Iraq it achieved nothing.The only protest that would have an effect would be a violent one along the lines of the poll tax one.
The only way I can see us getting out of this nightmare is when economic reality hits home.
Voting for a party that will pursue a new policy will have an effect as we saw with UKIP and TBP – it scared the Conservatives into holding a referendum and delivering on Brexit. The problem we seem to have is that there no party to vote for that is clearly opposed to Lockdown Lunacy or Mask Misery. If TBP are opposed to the Covid Crap I haven’t heard them come out and say it. While border security is of vital importance it’s odd that Farage is focusing on that at this juncture, rather than the far more immediate peril of the lockdown threat to liberty.
Billy Connelly once said it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always get in.
It took me 30 years to realise that this was 100% correct.
The utter fckwits who “run” this show are a disgrace and I’m done with voting for any major party.
I’ll vote for any random nut job independent just to take the vote away from the 2 main parties.
You can’t slide a piece of power between the policies of either Cons or Labour.
Same circus different clowns
100%. I spoilt my ballot paper in December. In the absence of the Brexit party or similar, I would have voted Tory but the utter nonsense Al Johnson et al were coming out with about the NHS and climate change made me realise just how un-conservative they had become. I think that many people who voted Tory simply did so to stop Labour rather than it being a positive choice for their policies.
Going forward, I will either spoil my paper again or vote Labour. The rationale behind the latter option, is that if the only way for people to wake up is to make things crazier and quickly. To make this happen then I might as well vote for the most extreme version of both bunches of idiots. I call it acceleration theory. If you’re going to go through hell, then you might as well get it over with quickly!
Sheesh, what an option!
I don’t believe in them either but I applaud those who get off their arses and make a stand in public with fellow like-minded people. Our fight back really needs to be about freedom and other core issues only.
I’m as CT (I refuse to acknowledge the full label) as they come but I learned long ago to keep all that to myself. It really doesn’t flipping matter at a time like this. The A holes are clearly in charge of things, good enough for me. We are clearly being f’d over across the world so let’s fight for our freedoms and keep the whodunits on the downlow. Maybe it’s a cop out but I see it as the only way to reach the masses, of whom many are currently enjoying their superhero status as mask wearers and caring folks.
We’re all psycho paths anyway, as a study has just suggested. Let’s put on a face that people are drawn to rather than repulsed by. The C word is just repulsive to many in the mainstream. C makes it so easy for them to light us up as crackpots. We have enough ammunition to make our stand without it.
CT ? Must be leading too sheltered a life.
I feel that I’m doing my little bit by having the necessary facts to hand when somebody tries to strike up conversation by expecting me to agree that “isn’t the Covid terrible…”
Oh yes, thank you. Probably me overthinking on that one.
Agree there Eddie. We can argue this through the mainstream, we can catch up with the rest later.
The fact that the BBC reported that the “Berlin protest against lockdown measures” was to be allowed on appeal might, for some people, be the first time that concept had entered their head.
Agree. Protests don’t work per se but it all helps and props to those who bothered.
What we need is a massive campaign to re-educate the public with the truth about the virus, to counteract the brainwashing they’ve been given. This would change public opinion and push the government in the right direction.
Which is why I wait for them to start the conversation which most do in preference to the weather.
Quote “War strengthens the opposition.”
Which is why we ought to have more women in positions of power. Golda Meir led the most united government in Israel’s history. Some newly-promoted women take offence if they are asked to pour the tea at a board meeting; Mrs Meir MK sat all her cabinet ministers down and went round the table pouring their coffee and until the biscuits were handed out, the cabinet meetings didn’t start.
I will make an exception for the nasty Cressida Dick.
And after coffee she started the land grabbing six day war and she also attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 US sailors and injuring hundreds more.
Not a fan of Golda Meir, the Six Day War, land grabs, etc.
But I like the coffee anecdote. Meir was not a “stupid dame” and she would not have let someone else’s image of a powerful leader get in her way. She was cutthroat.
She didn’t change from cutthroat when she poured the coffee.
It shows that there are lots of ways to handle and wield and project power.
I have no objection to making tea for colleagues on the basis of being the most junior person at a meeting or it being a “muggins turn” arrangement. I would strongly object to be expected to do it because of my sex. Remind me what century we are in?
A century where people don’t much go for washing each other’s feet ?
Possibly, but doing it “your” way I fear may take decades. I was hoping for at least some of my remaining years to be lived in sanity.
It mustn’t seem like a war, it should be presented as good news.
“The only way I can see us getting out of this nightmare is when economic reality hits home.”
The economic reality is that we can maintain the country for as long as required with very few “key workers” operating.
The economic reality is that very few of us are doing anything that is actually necessary to the provisioning of the country. And that those that believe otherwise are believing a myth as much as those who think masks will stop the spread of the virus. Ironically, for largely the same reason – a fallacy of composition equating personal experience to the population aggregate.
The only issue is whether Boris and Rishi are in thrall to the “leading economists” as much as they were “leading virus modellers” and who will lead us down the precisely wrong path of tax rises.
Whatever else this is, it is not an “economic reality”. I suppose it’s true to say that it has now been demonstrated that, for a period of a few months, we can keep supermarket shelves stocked and a number of other “essential services” running to a minimal standard, while an unusually large proportion of the workforce is payrolled by the state but you seem to have got it into your head that this means that everything else is simply wasted effort. If nothing else, the “economic reality” is that the taxation system and people’s ability to pay for the food that those “very few “key workers”” are keeping on the shelves relies on money circulating through the economy. Money circulated through the economy through transactions, including people being paid to perform their employment. It’s also true to say that most organisations (public sector aside, perhaps) don’t pay money for services that they don’t feel add value. If all of these jobs and sectors that you seem to despise did not at least seem to contribute something, nobody would pay them to perform these services. You seem to think that we should all be confined to a purposeless existence, merely subsisting… Read more »
Universal Basic Income. Work camps in Norfolk picking Brussel Sprouts and cabbages, work camps for digging holes for posts that hold up solar panels in solar farms. The new killing fields?
British Jobs For British
SlavesWorkersInnit…..
Moving mounds of rocks across the Gulag parade ground to no apparent purpose, and then moving them back again.
Solzhenitsyn.
That’s most of the jobs in the City of London. There is little point to moving money from one pot into another and then back again just to maintain an artificial circulation.
My thoughts exactly. Like the expansion of retail parks and people having jobs selling each other useless tat, I’ve been wondering quite what the point is. Activity for activity’s sake.
Rule Britannia!
It doesn’t work, matt. I’m not sure if we can engage with those who seem to believe everything just works regardless. It’s just the same old shite regurgitated from other political philosophies, all of which failed. In order to exist, you need to earn money. Or you can live off someone else’s money. If the latter, then you are a slave. If the former, you are free.
There is no other way, as history as shown, repeatedly.
When you earn money you live off somebody else’s money. They need to spend on you or you don’t earn. And that means they have to have the money to start with.
But increasingly we don’t need everybody to produce everything we need. We have a productivity paradox.
Presumably you want a private sector that drives productivity forward, rather than replacing JCBs with teaspoons.
The ‘we don’t need everybody to produce everything we need’ subject has been around since the 1950s. Automation. Productivity. Leisure Society. We should have achieved that goal years ago. Now, half the population is unemployed with no future prospects for work.
When spitting image was on TV 25 yrs ago they used to take the piss out of China As being a controlled economy. At the time the Chinese “public sector” was about 20% of gdp.
In the UK now the public sector account for over 50% of the GDP, when you add up all those people and services including companies reliant on government contracts.
The less than 50% of us pay for the rest of the economy.
The north of England was more dependent upon the state than most of the communist bloc before the latters fall.
Gov. jobs, the social and subsidies
We’re all dependent on the state and necessarily so since Sterling is a creature of the state.
There are insufficient private sector jobs to go around and always will be. Particularly as we become ever more productive.
We need a yang to the private sector yang to make sure it works as well as it can.
It demonstrably is wasted effort, otherwise we would have missed them and we haven’t. The monetary circulation can be maintained with people doing other things that we may consider more important. The private sector is too productive to provide jobs for everybody. Hence why we have tax credits, loans and other increasingly daft schemes to try and prop up jobs that simply should not exist. Do we want to be genuinely productive or not? If we give people that alternative – to do other things – then we will see what is actually valued and what is nothing more than “need to do something to be able to afford to eat”. Those latter jobs need to die – or preferably automated out of existence. Ultimately the task of the private sector is to put us all out of work and replace us all with robots and machinery. And it is a task we want it to get on with. All this encouragement to replace capital with labour makes no sense if we want an actual productive economy. Rather than one that just moves money around doing pointless activities to pretend that there is enough proper work for all of us.… Read more »
Firstly, you seem to be under the impression that, on the 24th March, everyone who wasn’t a key worker, or wasn’t still required to travel to work, simply stopped working. That isn’t the case. No doubt some did while they were claiming to be working from home. I’m quite sure a great majority of those will soon be finding a P45 in the post (if not already). No doubt there was a decrease in economic activity – in fact, we can estimate it. It’s in the region of 20% according to the latest YOY GDP figures (yes, I know you don’t like GDP, we can get to that if we must). Secondly, I can absolutely guarantee you, from extensive experience as well as from theory, that companies do not employ people whose services they do not consider to be of value. This may take the form of someone whose daily work is absolutely necessary to deliver on operational requirements (without them, we will lose existing business/revenue) or someone who is expected to increase the opportunity to grow (with them, we will gain business/revenue). I can also assure you that absolutely everyone in a commercial enterprise, from the CEO down is… Read more »
Well said. Anyone who is a net tax payer – or indeed economically active – is a “key worker”.
The economic reality is that the government is spending money it doesn’t have.It has already been bailed out by the Bank of England.which is just printing the stuff.
How long do you think this situation will last before it destroys the confidence in our fiat currency.
History shows it leads to hyperinflation and economic ruin.
On the subject of who is essential I think you will find that the economy is interdependent.Any job that generates a tax income supports your wonderful essential workers in public services.
Will the housing market be able to soak up that inflation as it did with QE?
The Bank of England is owned by the Treasury. They are both departments of the same government sector. The process can go on forever. It has for 30 years in Japan and 10 years for the rest of the world. It all goes around in a circle. What the government “doesn’t have” causes the rest of us to “have savings”. Their red ink is our black ink. What do you think Gilts are? You pension funds are stuffed full of them. Confidence is irrelevant. You have tax bills and debts to settle in Sterling which if you don’t settle them will result in the confiscation of your liberty and your assets. Therefore Sterling is always of value to you and me and everybody else in the UK. Tax for Revenue has been an obsolete concept since the 1930s. It is the spending that causes the taxation – which if everybody spends their income will generate precisely the same amount of taxation as the spending to the penny for any positive tax rate. It’s a simple geometric progression. My spending is your income less tax and vice versa. Do the mathematics and see how it works. What stops that process is… Read more »
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
Henry Ford”
Lucan….. hahaha… now that’s introducing wild card. The banking system is the worlds biggest scam. 😉
I prefer Reginald McKenna – ex Chancellor of the Exchequer and Chairman of the Midland Bank. Speaking in the 1920s.
When JFK announced he would abolish the Federal Bank, he was promptly assassinated.
You seem to have forgotten a couple of things in your wonderful utopian future.In the UK we cannot feed ourselves.We only grow about 60% of our food so our very survival relies on the willingness of foreigners to continue to exchange food for sterling.How long do you think this can continue ,if we carry on printing the stuff.The economic systems we create must be somewhere along the line be based in reality.
You have also in common with other utopians forgotten human nature,who will do the unpleasant jobs when you are being paid to do nothing,you end up with compulsion and tyranny.What you are advocating is pretty much the same as what the WEF want.
Depends what you mean by “maintain”. Man managed to live in caves, but we decided to move on from that. I do not want to live like this, thank you very much. Preferred it how it was before this shit started, and the changes to this “new normal” which is antithetical to the human social instinct are based on a LIE.
Agreed. The original three week lockdown was I think a lot more bearable than this. It was kind of modern caveman living but for a specified period and reason. Whereas now there’s no end in sight.
I was perfectly happy with the three week initial lockdown when nobody knew how scary Covid was going to he.
By the end of those three weeks, perhaps because being out and about, it was clearly not a medieval pestilence, the sombrero had been sat on.
If Johnson had then said back to work except the vulnerable we would now have herd immunity, lockdown a distant amusing memory with Johnson dining out on his Churchillian leadership….
If only.
Indeed. My position exactly.
Agree. Yes, there are faults to sort out with the old normal, but I’d far rather use that as the starting point than the unsustainable “new normal” we’re expected to tolerate right now.
Neither do I, but trying to restore the status quo ante isn’t going to happen either. The cat is out of the bag and no amount of fibbing is going to put it back in.
We have been able to maintain the country for six months without hardly anybody working as they did previously. So how much more work do we actually need and do we need to be doing these pointless tasks like moving between home and office rather than something more rewarding.
Lots of people who hate what they did previously are asking “why”. And “because” isn’t a good enough answer.
If we don’t have one, like offering alternative work, then there are alternative politicians that will – along with a very big tax bill.
Well, lots of what other people spend their working and leisure hours, and money, on is baffling to me, but who am I and who is anyone else to tell them that they are wasting their time? Whose decision should it be to determine what tasks are pointless and which are not? Anyway, life itself is, essentially, pointless.
The problem is that Johnson and Hancock are in thrall to Bill Gates. Like many others, the modellers are also in the Gates’s pocket and their fact free models have unsurprisingly provided just what was required to give the massive coronahoax a flying start.
Probably right and, as we have seen, anyone can turn up and muddy the waters.
I agree, either the fear subsides or the money runs out.
Then why don’t HMG flatten Wankock?
Evidently it’s too early to let the fear subside.
How can the money run out when you own the Bank of England and everything necessarily moves around within that Bank.
HM Treasury pays people by moving money from the Consolidated Fund to the Reserve Accounts of the commercial banks at the Bank of England. Tax goes in the opposite direction.
Since it never leaves the Bank of England, they can simply lend the reserve balances back to the Consolidated Fund via the Ways and Means Account.
It all goes around in a circle using a touch of banking magic. Toto has pulled the curtain back. The Wizard of Oz routine no longer fools anybody. https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2020/april/hmt-and-boe-announce-temporary-extension-to-ways-and-means-facility
Lucan, I get this in a theoretical way and see the point you are making, (Modern Monetary Theory) but why did the UK have to go to the IMF in the late ’70s if we could have solved the situation with book-keeping sleight of hand?
Lucan, that’s not how it works. The Bank of England cannot continue indefinitely to creat money to buy up government bonds to keep the system running. To some extent, it’s a miracle that it hasn’t yet caused a complete meltdown, but we’re on a knife edge.
Agree with you regarding the only way out. Don’t know if you remember the Poll Tax riots in Trafalgar Square in 1990. If so, do you remember the police car that was overturned during? The BBC interviewed the driver, one PC David Nield. I went to school with him and he now resides in New Zealand. Wondering how much he’s enjoying it over there at the moment…
The Iraq march might not have stopped the war but it drew attention to what was really going on. Hopefully it stimulated some thought in people who had been swallowing the WMD rubbish from the MSM. The legality of that war has been openly questioned ever since.
Yes but! This nightmare has already caused so much damage to so many things and so many people (even if they don’t yet realise) that it will not end, albeit the depth of the damage may be eventually limited when reality hits and everyone finally realises what has been done.
Toby,
I am thinking about splashing out on one of your new bejewelled face masks.
Before I do so can you please forward me a copy of the double blind study and clinical trial which can assure me that the mask will intercept and destroy all incoming and outgoing virus particles hence keeping me and others safe.
It would pain me to think that I had paid 250,000 quid for just a ..ahem… fashion statement.
250k is a bit OTT, try Burberry, their range starts at £90.00, Bargain. FACT*
* I just wanted to know what it felt like using that word in that way, sorry.
Dear Customer
Congratulations on purchasing our jewelled mask. Instead of looking like a noseless, faceless, brain-dead zombie, you will now look like a noseless, faceless, brain-dead zombie who has just spent an awful lot of money.
Somebody worth mugging perhaps?
Or just punching?
We suggest you wear it while you help out at your local food bank.
I do appreciate how funny people are on this site. This series of posts has made me laugh!
And how will a daily wash at 40C in the washing machine or a quick boil on the stove to sterilise the mask do to it? Will my insurance pay for any damage?
What a joke. On a different tack, the latest helpful “information” from “The Times”;
“People who refuse to follow rules on wearing facemasks are more likely to have malevolent sociopathic traits, a study suggests.”
Thanks for rehashing that The Times.. Now we know how degenerate we really are,
I’m happy to be labelled with “asocial behaviour” since I make no attempt to associate with the majority mask compliant muppets.
Likewise. If to be benevolent is to be a zombie, I’ll be as malevolent as I can.
Wales is a very malevolent place. Only about one person in fifty here ever wears a mask.
bet they’d all start wearing them if Tom Jones said they should.
Nah. Alun Wyn Jones, now, probably yes.
The most over rated lock of all time.
Hmm. A more bizarre opinion than anything at Trafalgar Square.
That looks like the place to move to to escape this madhouse.
That vindicates my decision to cancel my subscription to the Times. It’s become a propaganda rag nothing else.
Same with the Telegraph.
Haven’t bought s copy of the Telegraph since March.
My £1 per month intro to the DT expires today.
Most of the articles pander to a readership that makes my teeth curl. Money’s very tight so I’m not convinced I want to spare them £8+ per month. I’d rather support sites like the UK Column. Also to bung a thankyou to Toby for providing this space for us.
Can’t believe I might have to resort to the Mail!
Not the Mail!! It’s full of celebrities and Markel’s opinions! 🙄
All of them are guilty of it. I’ve kept my Spectator subscription – probably the last refuge of the sane in the MSM.
I’m on a £1 per month trial for the Spectator too. Most of the articles make my teeth positively frizzy.
Prior to the 2019 election, I never followed the MSM. Life was sweeter – with a lot more spare time.
I don’t really follow MSM but this site is the main refuge of the sane for me. Especially as I have to put up with a lot of insanity.
Our subscription to the Telegraph is in the red zone, any more pro masks and rising Covid spikes and they’re out! I’d prefer to support websites that support freedom of speech and liberty!
Yesterday a few independent journalists asked people in Germany to cancel subscriptions and dump old issues at their papers doors in protest to their pro gov reporting.
Brilliant.
Perhaps we should do something like that.
Call me any name you like
I will never deny it
Farewell Angelina
The sky is erupting
I must go where it’s quiet
To be fair I only started being a malevolent sociopath during lockdown
Opposition to totalitarian regimes always becomes defined as a mental defect.
Yes, the Soviets did that, the Chinese do it, religious fundamentalists did/do it
Yes. That’s the paradox of the ‘severe distress’ ‘reasonable excuse’ in the law. My political dissent is disabled/allowed for by a kind of emotional pathologisation.
Maybe it’ll be their “deplorables” moment. Whoever wrote that article is degenerate.
I’m proud to be a psychopath. Oh wait, pride is an emotion and psychopaths don’t have those…
There was a YouTube video about the study last week. And as you can imagine if you actually look into the study it is very flawed and basically propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZimk0nhjo&t=5s
That would be great on a T-shirt:
Beware: Malevolent sociopath.
I’d buy one!
Free holiday courtesy of the Ministry of Love.
The sky could fall on our heads too don’t forget …
Report at Mail Online that overuse of hand sanitisers is creating opportunities for development of superbugs which will be resistant to such cleansing measures – that could prove deadly in hospitals.
Yep, only a matter of time before we heard that.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678809/Mass-use-hand-gels-control-Covid-risks-creating-superbug-armageddon-researchers-warn.html
It was always screamingly obvious.
Yes, the dangers of mindlessly slapping on sanitiser gel have been known for years. Better to use mild soap and water and only when you really need to.
And they still promote using it constantly every time we go into a shop or venue. It’s like they publish conflicting information to confuse us.
Spot on.
That’s not surprising isn’t it? Its not just hospitals but also all public spaces.
Terrific, it gets even better! 😷😷
BBC some years ago had their afternoon play, or was it a serial, when antibiotics stopped working. It was a harrowing listen.
Saw a discussion yday from Germany from a doctor who said that less people seem to be dying of post operational infection as less operations. He asked , Do we operate too easily? Should we try other options?
There’s no confirmation that anyone’s died from a Covid19 even once, because there is NO valid test for a Covid19 virus. The inaccurate PCR test which is being used only checks for genetic material (i.e. are you human) but it does NOT test for a Covid19 virus. Also Covid19 virus has never been proven to exist. Countries classify deaths as Covid-caused by matching datasets of positive PCR tests with datasets of deaths. We now know PCR tests vastly overstate the reality of active Covid infections. Think about that. Which means using PCR test datasets to classify deaths as Covid overstates “deaths from Covid.” They still have not identified in a laboratory the virus they are calling ‘”Covid 19’.” This means that they cannot test for “Covid 19” (and it also means that anyone who tells you that they know someone who’s had “Covid 19” is talking total BS). What they test for is ‘coronavirus’, which is an umbrella term for various colds and flu. As more ct-qPCR tests were done in mid March the CDC stopped verification of results coming from private labs; we knew in March PCR false positive rate was reported at around 50% in China , in… Read more »
How come I can find the complete genome sequence of an isolated SARS-CoV-2 virus then?
Don’t feed the troll. This is either someone from Brigade 77 spreading conspiracy nutcase stuff to discredit sensible covid-skeptics, or someone who doesn’t accept science is a probabilistic endeavour rarely (never) giving 100% certainty, and using the tiny chinks of uncertainty to propagandise against the obvious.
What about his message is conspiracy? Did I miss something?
Just for starters “Covid19 virus has never been proven to exist.”
That statement is incorrect. Most conspiracists then go on to talk about Koch’s postulates, an outdated set of criteria for identifying disease-causing organisms, and which can’t for ethical reasons be applied to humans (it would be required to cause an experimental infection using the agent isolated from a previously infected person, which we cannot generally do under current medical ethics).
Someone asked the Canadian government under a FOI ….
“ No record of “COVID-19 virus” (SARS-COV-2) isolation by anyone, anywhere on the planet. (I FOI’d them b/c Health Canada said they “might” have such a record lol.)”
https://mobile.twitter.com/Christi45657364/status/1283126240254341121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1283126240254341121%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdavidicke.com%2F2020%2F07%2F19%2Fcanadas-national-research-council-no-record-of-covid-19-virus-sars-cov-2-isolation-by-anyone-anywhere-on-the-planet-in-other-words-as-i-have-been-saying-for-months-they-have-never-shown-th%2F
I replied above with a video interview of a German doctor who said the PCR test are NOT using any actual isolated “CV19”RNA sample. The PCR test simply uses in of the many many many other existing CV RNA samples.
The whole testing system is utterly flawed
The ONLy conspiracy is where the test data is being used to extend the pandemic “deliberately” or because the government are utter morons
I am currently listening to an April 2, 2020 Richie Allen interview with former BBC journalist, Tony Gosling. They are talking about the same stuff that you are on this site today. That was 5 months ago! Fudging the statistics, including Covid on death certificates, etc.
Thank you for taking the time to debunk these myths.
I think Koch is OK with demonstrating the pathogen on mice not people. But the sticking point is “purification”. Koch didn’t know about viruses which of course cannot replicate by themselves. They need a cell to do that for them. So when SARS2 is cultured in Vero E6 cells that’s considered a fail. This is obviously ridiculous and while Koch was no doubt a great scientist I don’t think we have to treat him like Moses or Mohammad or someone.
You’ll be aware a German court has stated the measles virus has never been proven to exist.
Sorry….but Allen is 100% correct. Here is a discussion where some German political enquiry are questioning a doctor about the validity of PCR tests. She said it’s like reading tea leaves in a cup. The starts is a bit deep but one of the politicians asks the doctor to start again in plain English as they are non medical people. https://vimeo.com/443416775 in Europe. there is no standard for the PCR test as to what determines an actual “+ve” test the test simply takes a sample from you and multiplies it, x2…x3….x25 etc. They compare it with a similar “cv” sample. There are thousands of different CV samples. when you get to about x24 doublings a colour change in the sample means it’s “more likely” that you are actually testing positive for “a corona virus” any type. If you had a Common cold 3 months ago then you can test +ve now. However if you keep doubling past x40 iterations and still no colour change then they say the test is “most Likely” negative. however keep doubling to about X60 Iterations and everybody tests positive. there is no standard used or reported across labs so no one haS any idea if… Read more »
It is really disheartening to have to fight fake news on two fronts – the MSM fake news that we are all doomed, and the nonsensical anti-covid fake news, which ranges from utterly implausible 5G through overemphasising justified criticisms, as here, with PCR. There is no test that can ever give you 100% certainty that the result the test produces corresponds to reality. With PCR, the presence of a true positive result, may also correspond to various possible realities – you are currently infected, you are currently infected and are yourself infectious, you were very recently infected, or even (less likely but possibly) are infected with a different virus with RNA which is sufficiently similar to the primer sequences to produce a PCR product. If the primers have been designed carefully enough, the latter should not (seldom) be true, at least for known sequences. Of course, as with any test if you don’t look so hard (low cycle number) you will find fewer positives. That increases your confidence that the positives you find are true positives, but you can be less sure about the negative results being true negatives. If you look harder (high cycle number), the converse is true.… Read more »
Thanks for confirming (if in a long winded way) the test are utterly useless.
They are especially useless when the results of which are being used for dystopian levels of smashing of freedoms & laws using data that may as well have been generated flipping a coin.
The myth that you might get false positives from other viruses originates from the very early Drosten PCR tests which used a primer from SARS1. At the time SARS2 had not been sequenced so I think they were guessing at bits of SARS1 until they found one that worked on SARS2 samples.
But since SARS1 is rare if not extinct and like SARS2 only worse I don’t think this is a big deal for all practical purposes.
Soon after SARS2 was sequenced other primers were added that are unique to SARS2.
So what if you test positive for the E gene (the one that’s shared with SARS1) but not any of the other? The WHO said because it was a pandemic treat that as a positive. This seems reasonable to me but of course they were hysterically denounced for it and by then the myth has got halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on.
You should be careful not to trip over your jaw, which seems weighed down with lashings of cognitive dissonance. Everything Allen has stated is factual and is easily verifiable, Why not try doing some proper research and not shooting from the hip?
The real trolls are those, that want to limit these sceptic discussions to minor things like masks. The real agenda of this long planned Covid-19 event is about complete control, mandatory vaccines and global depopulation.
Almost everything Allen has said is incorrect. I already gave you one example, from the second sentence. Here is the third sentence: “Countries classify deaths as Covid-caused by matching datasets of positive PCR tests with datasets of deaths. ” This is also not true. Deaths are classified as Covid-related (with covid, caused by covid, whatever) by the physician certifying the death. The classification can be wrong (as we well know, unless you got crushed by a 12-ton weight it is difficult to definitively identify a cause of death), the diagnosis may be clinical (symptoms of the disease), or there may be a positive test result. PHE was doing something crazy with anyone who had ever tested positive being recorded as death from the disease, that’s for sure. And that discredited the agency to the extent it’s going to be abolished. The fact is that recording deaths and classifying their cause is done in different ways in different places, making comparisons difficult. It is a genuine problem that nonsense, about anything, not specifically Covid, can be spewed out much faster than it can be cleaned up. The spewing of implausible and inaccurate nonsense is an established technique for (1) overloading someoneand… Read more »
Are you nuts!
You specifically said this is not true
“ Countries classify deaths as Covid-caused by matching datasets of positive PCR tests with datasets of deaths. ”
This is EXACTLY what PHE we’re doing with the stats in the UK
Ah shucks, down votes for pointing out truth
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1318011/coronavirus-deaths-uk-public-health-england-covid-19-latest-news
The PHE death count STILL Includes anyone who dies as a CV statistic who “tested” positive within the previous 28 days and that includes anyone who died from brain tumours, heart attacks car crashes.
When you can’t argue your case head right to the “conspiracy theory” trope. I don’t live in the UK does that mean Brigade 77 has gone global? Wouldn’t that also be a conspiracy theory? Well if this is all too much for your brain to process just look at the PCR box where it says not to be used for diagnostics. Also note that the PCR is not legally licensed for this purpose hence the note. But here in the US they gave EAU so dozens of companies jumped on board to make a buck with the FDA’s quick approval not even doing a quality control check of these sham kits. The test shows human DNA. One of the pieces of genetic material tested for by the 80% false positive, faulty, untested, unapproved, RT-PCR test is our own PRIMARY assembly for our chromosomes. What this means is they are not finding a virus at all, they are just using a piece of our OWN DNA and telling us it is a virus. You can watch the video below for a simple explanation but you seem to be more of a reactionary than one who can pause and analyze. https://vimeo.com/443416775 Here is another conspiracy… Read more »
“One of the pieces of genetic material tested for by the 80% false positive, faulty, untested, unapproved, RT-PCR test is our own PRIMARY assembly for our chromosomes.”
Correct. But it’s one primer pointing in one direction. In the absence of a complementary downstream sequence for the alternate primer, pointing in the opposite direction, that is close enough to result in an amplifiable product, this will have no influence on the result. Some primer and nucleotide will be consumed making some single strand copies of the human sequence, but that is all.
You see how misinformation can be very subtle, feeding off people’s understandable lack of knowledge about the technicalities. Indeed the most effective fake news is at least half true, as here.
Cdr Jameson is right. Please check the facts for yourself. If you just believe some guy on vineo because you want to how’s that different to watching the BBC?
They don’t need to bother. There’s enough of conspiracy nutcases here anyway!
You can.
They can’t because “cognitive dissonance”.
The can’t see the electron scanning microscope pictures either.
It’s nothing more than a guess. Possibly educated, but probably not.
Sorry but you are the pychopath. You are also a conspiracy theorist. I bet you also believe Bill Gates is making money out of vaccines and and that he is the 2nd and 4th biggest funder of the WHO. Oh, and the ‘Great Reset’ is spelled out on the World Economic Forum website and that Masks4All was started by someone from WEF.
Oh and I bet you think Fauci was carrying out Gain of Function work on bat viruses in that lab in Wuhan.
Don’t you realise you are discrediting our ‘movement’, comrade?
Nutjob! MW
No he isn’t, he’s just explaining the actual facts about PCR testing. Or do you actually think over 40000 people have died of C19? I also know that these tests were never designed to be used to diagnose or screen a population due to their inaccuracy. You’re reaction is very strange.
Sometimes sarcasm doesn’t come over well without the scathing voice
Actually, I was using irony not sarcasm. I was having a laugh – please lighten up, everybody! Everything I said was arguable and actually, nowhere did I mention 5G because I don’t know anything about it! MW
MW, knowing your usual style, I read your post several times, believing that irony was intended. However, it came over as aggressive rather than amusing I’m afraid.
As has been pointed out, we must be very careful to be supportive of each other here. The BTL is long enough without being filled with extended bitter arguments that have the same effect as trolling.
I’ve noticed people seem to be biting more nowadays. Times are crazy and we must work to remind each other that we are the sane ones.
Cheezilla, I think people have lost it today. My comment to Allen was supposed to be supportive because he talked about psychopaths. I used irony and satire but it was generalised. I do not accept that it was aggressive – if so, to whom? You say you read it several times but your comment, which I think is unfair to me, makes me feel very unwelcome and uncomfortable.
I thought that I was among friends and that people had a sense of humour but I am very disappointed to find that I was sadly wrong. I am not going to invest any more of my emotional health and well-being in defending myself from attacks like this, over nothing! MW
If anyone has read any other of my posts my reaction (if taken seriously) would mean I had actually gone insane. Obviously, I should have put a smiley face at the end. What has happened to LS’s irony detectors, today? MW
I think that the problem is that last time Toby dismissed conspiracy theories (in a London Calling podcast I think, rather than above the line here) LS became very scratchy and grumpy for about 24 hours with lots of people with noses out of joint. I suspect that there’s a certain amount of preemptive defensiveness around today, in anticipation of the same thing happening again.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, Miriam. Things will settle down again and your irony was clear to me.
Not worried at all, thanks, Matt. I remember the London Calling podcast and Toby Young saying he ‘bats CTs’ away (i.e. anyone who mentions what he called something like ‘the Bill Gates crap’ on this site.) I think I used a bit of irony then and it probably also went down like a lead parachute. Will I never learn? 🙂
It beats me that some people think that even looking at the facts, say, about Gates’ massive influence and just who he is funding should be a conspiracy theory. The race for what should be an unnecessary vaccine is worrying to many and I think people are right to question it. I cannot comment on the truth of the SC2 virus because I am not a scientist.
The politics behind all this are, of course, a matter for speculation but there are facts to be found. Some of these global organisations are spelling things out on their websites and I think, for some, this is an uncomfortable truth. It’s far more comfortable to believe in Government panic and incompetence and I understand that. I just don’t share those views. MW
Toby is compromised, have you seen the photos of him partying with Ghislaine Maxwell? 🤔
I cannot believe someone on here would make such a gross and unfair allegation. Toby met the woman once when he lived in Manhatten. Try reading his Spectator article on the abuse he receives because of a chance encounter.
Wasn’t Peter having a giggle … ?
https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf
No medical test gives 100% correct results with zero false positives and zero false negatives. I’ve used the example in earlier threads of pregnancy tests. The common drug-store tests also give both false positive and false negative results (leading to occasional “woman gives birth” stories in the tabloids), but we don’t see anyone trying to discredit them on that basis. It would be very useful to know the false positive rate for any test. For a PCR test it is likely to vary considerably between labs, so making comparisons is challenging. I repeat, this is the case for any kind of medical test done, including routine blood tests. You can get very different results from one lab to another. This is not a problem when comparisons are made mostly for individual patients over time. Here we are trying to compare from one place to another at the same time, and population/sample results need to be considered with a few caveats. But those caveats are built in to any testing that you can possibly do, and are not a reason to not bother with the testing, or reject the results entirely. The fact that this (as any other test) is imperfect… Read more »
Did you ever see that research from the 1920s (Indian dude, I think) who correlated silver ion reactions with the phases of the moon ?
Oh dear, another one! Many apologies everyone, I was being ironic, a response driven by a lot of the posters today who think we should keep our message ‘pure’. I must now be considered the nut-job because I tend to be persuaded by conspiracy facts not theory. MW
agreed, let’s be kind and not label each other. we all want the same thing don’t we?
Thank you for this – really useful. Germany is way ahead of us in resisting tyranny – maybe because so many of of the ex-Ostzoners remember the Stasi.
Your right. The Corona Project is all based on LIES. A total SCAM, ALMOST all of it. Yes we can get specific on a few points but most of what you say is right. Good Job.
Believe it or not I agree with you (and Allen)! Please feel free to call me a nut-job any time you like! 🙂 p.s. I’m a bit miffed actually that obviously nobody reads my regular ‘unironic’ posts and therefore couldn’t spot the irony in my reply to Allen. Ho-hum. . . . . MW
I spotted the irony and I don’t think I would be the only one but things are a bit tense atm – six months of being gaslighted by our governments can do that.
Thanks for posting this this is very important
You have posted all this before and the reality has been explained to you before, notably by guy153. If you missed it, use Control and Find, and type guy153 into the find box. The mark of a sceptic is a questioning mind, one curious and open to change. You don’t qualify.
Reality had been explained by others … ? Really ??
No need to read anymore. You should work for the beeb, Sylvie.
Or consider applying for the 77th? Oh…… MW
How is Victoria and the rest of Australia seen by non sceptics where you are?
Here in the UK we think the lockdown here is appalling but we at least can console ourselves by being glad we are not living in NZ or Victoria
I try not to engage with non sceptics. The nonsense they spout makes my ears bleed.
I am going to bet that the complete lockdownophiles think what is happening in Victoria is right, and that police brutality is the correct approach to non compliance.
Yet as the comments above reference, it is US with our refusal to wear masks, who are the psychopaths. Give me strength.
The hotel quarantine did have poor management but the quarantines themselves were pointless for both international and interstate travellers in Aus.
I wasn’t going to mention this but I saw Toby’s piece about face coverings increasing the risk of transmission. Now I’ve been noting the daily reported deaths from covid-19 as claimed by PHE (or whoever it is now) and was struck that last week was the first time since at least May that the number of reported UK deaths increased in a Sunday to Saturday week – a month on from July 24th. Or perhaps it would have been even worse without face nappies (assuming the figures claimed are correct of course.)
Covid vaccine rush could make pandemic worse, say scientists
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/aug/30/covid-vaccine-rush-could-make-pandemic-worse-say-scientists
(The rest of the paper is …. RISE IN CASES ….let’s not mention the fall in deaths)
Ain’t that jolly.The vaccine gets rushed out and forced on people, but just in case it doesn’t work, all the other enslavement measures are maintained as well.
I couldn’t care less what the mendacious MSM say about the protests on Saturday, Icke or no Icke they would have crucified those attending anyway, labelling them as “granny killers” and using the opportunity to ramp up second wave propaganda. Let’s not forget that these same media outlets were largely silent when gangs of BLM supporting thugs were desecrating war memorials and smashing police officers’ faces in. But back to the protests. I believe they CAN make a positive difference, and certainly are a powerful recruitment weapon for like-minded people to join the cause. The more of us willing to engage in mass civil disobedience will certainly weaken the hand of the Government. However, we need to lose the outlandish theories and push to become a movement focused on restoring freedoms. Joe Public couldn’t care less about 5G, Qanon or fluoride in tap water making us stupid. They’ll head for the hills once they hear that-we cannot afford to be unappealing to the potential hundreds of thousands of moderates out there. People are worried about lockdowns, masks, their childrens’ futures – the message needs to be relative and true to what is being felt NOW, by ordinary people. My hope… Read more »
“However, we need to lose the outlandish theories and push to become a movement focused on restoring freedoms. ”
This cannot be said too often.
Bollocks. We can’t work with the communists to blow up that bridge the nazis are using, because they thing differently ?
Who smashed a police officer’s face in?
The Officer whose horse bolted so she appeared to hit her head on an overhead traffic sign ?
So she smashed her own face in? Really sad and brutal accident but the original wording of the comment made it sound as if a protestor had done that to her. Which is clearly a lie.
The
Agent Provacateurs“Protestors” threw a bike at the police horse she was sitting on.Racist anti whites
Comments on the Mail story make it clear that they are very aware of the differences in the way Piers and blm were Policed
Exactly, how come Piers was arrested and fined, but not the BLM organisers.
The law only came into place on Friday 28th August 2020 which is why no BLM organisers have been prosecuted.
A £10000 fine for “organising” an illegal gathering….Nice. Makes the Criminal Justice Bill look like a toddlers doodle.
BLM march was on 30th August with consent from the authorities.
Go on then, set a date, advertise (at personal risk of a 10K fine), sort out a sound system, a few stewards, and attract speakers.
i.e. put up or shut up. These dudes achieved something on Saturday, I await your effort.
Calm down precious. I supported the protests – myself and many others simply didn’t agree with the more bizarre agendas that were advertised. Let’s do it your way – keep harping on about nanochips in vaccines and see how many moderates you attract. I’ll wait.
Mwah. That’s me blowing you a big kiss sweetie.
I guarantee you not one person there agreed with all the agendas. Of which, some were indeed of a significantly bizarre nature. Maybe you think thousands of individual (but pure) demos would have been more effective ?
‘My way’, since you seem unable to read and/or comprehend, is to ally with whoever’s there and up for it. Being prissy about who I’m being incarcerated or shot next to never seemed sensible.
Nor is trying to attract moderates my no.1 goal. But good piece of straw anyhow.
As schools reopen tomorrow I expect the day will start with a lengthy Covid Safety Induction Session during which the pupils will have it explained to them at great length what new precautions have been put in place for their safety.
“Now boys and girls, does anybody have any questions? ”
Johnny puts his hand up
“So same old shit as everywhere else for last six months miss ?”
You think they’ll allow questions?
Schools have been training children not to ask questions and not to be inquisitive for the last 20 years. Why do you think we have so many snowflakes
As a child of the sixties and seventies I thought schools to be bossy and authoritarian but they always encouraged asking questions, how times change
Don’t question, Obey, that’s the modern way
Keep quiet listen then do what we say
Everyone will be safe again
and we can all come out to play
‘And you never ask questions
When God’s on your side’ Dylan
The best protest is to adopt the one faggots used back in the 80’s by being out and proud only you’re out and about without a mask. I listened to David Icke and he said fuck all, he never says fuck all. The man hasn’t an original word in him. Don’t get me wrong i love a good grift and Icke’s is a doozy. He can get enough deluded souls to fill the Albert Hall at 100 quid a ticket, the man’s no fool, he also shouldn’t be censored in any way, obviously. You’ll never convince the fan it’s a grift, just watch as i get down voted, but i find it ironic that he accuses the secret government of being a cult while all the while his disciples are just that. Though i do agree with him that the Queen is a Lizard albeit an 800 year old one. I’m thinking of putting on a gig in the Albert Hall myself to explain this theory and others like, it’s the filters in tobacco that cause the cancer not the tobacco, how you can’t prove you’re alive, Austrian Economics is the only way to a free society, how rich people… Read more »
Joe Biden definitely looks like a lizard
He looks like a man who sniffs children in a really creepy way. Imagine voting for an obviously vile evil bastard as that
He is. Have you not seen the videos ?
So does Nancy Pelosi, all that weird shiney letherskin.
He is almost motionless without his heat-matt.
Don’t know about Biden but I’m pretty sure Nancy Pelosi is Mason Verger wearing a wig..
The trouble with sarcasm these days is that it is increasingly difficult to tell it apart from the real thing.
Little Britain was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction video.
I imagine that many of us are out and proudly about maskless most days but, unlike the gays, don’t feel the need to bang on about ( not proud actually since I barely give masks a thought one way or the other now).
I have to admit that I only half understand how to use twitter, but in a small attempt to do my bit I have attempted to reply to a few tweets from lockdown/facemask zealots. So far most of the replies and ‘likes’ have been from people in support of my comments. But I received this reply to a reply I made with regard to facemasks #ZeroCovid @seventiesicon Replying to @martindale567 and @BGidmxn which is why they are worn in every other country in the world To me this response goes right back to the fairy story about the Emperor’s New Clothes, everybody says the emperors got clothes on, so everybody says they can see them even though he is naked. So facemasks must be right because everybody is wearing them? I guess that puts us in the role of the little boy who pops up and shouts that the Emperor has no clothes on. I then went to highlight the reply I had been sent so I could maybe reply further to find that ZeroCovid had blocked me so I could not reply nor see their posts. So the argument for facemasks seems to be that they must be right because everyone is wearing… Read more »
If you really want to you can simply search for @seventiesicon with DuckDuckGo (or similar). I don’t do social media (to the great relief of my children no doubt). I read some US twitter accounts including the wonderful @Barnes_Law to try to understand what is going on over there.
But can you remember the conclusion of that fairytale ?
Unfortunately yes.
ZeroCovid clearly believes lockdown must be right “because everybody else is doing it”.
Speculative theories about the cause of all this (NWO, Bill Gates) are not helpful, especially because they are unnecessary. The violation of civil liberties is bad enough without having to make it sound worse.
However it would be nice if wild thinking on the other side of the debate could be treated with similar disdain, When Neil Ferguson publishes outrageous predictions of deaths and systematically gets it wrong, can we call him a looney too for coming up with a wildly implausible theory?
When a government minister concocts the idea that wearing masks in school corridors but not in classrooms is a logical disease prevention strategy, can we put that in the same category as the 5G theory? Because it sounds no less ridiculous.
The difference of course is that 5G and NWO theorists don’t really cause much harm, whereas Neil Ferguson and ministers are causing untold misery with their own crazy ideas.
All of the Covid 19(84) policies have been dictated by the World Health Authority, including saying (out of blue) than all 12 year olds should wear mask.
Nearly every country in the world sent the elderly from hospitals to care homes with the same results.
Something you don’t hear anything about is how PHE didn’t just discharge people from Generals into care homes, but also transferred them into Community Hospitals. The resulting deaths are just more hospital deaths though. We’ll never know how many died as a result, it’ll be suppressed.
Yes indeed, all the wild speculation about armaggeddon around the corner because schools and universities are re-starting and are full of people who are relatively unaffected by the disease seem as much a loony conspiracy theory as anything else.
Any pupil whose mum is a nurse should be capable of arguing that putting masks on and off renders them worse than useless.
Yes 5g has been spun into a crazy conspiracy, as is the sell from the likes of David Icke. However, they only find fertile ground because there is at least some truth in the concerns. There are no doubt 5g protestors that also feel Icke is the wrong front man and drowns out their legitimate concerns. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/ What I see in this discussion this morning is many deriding the appearance of Icke and others for diluting the main message, but fail to realise that within each there is truth too. NWO?? Yes, there are globalist agendas and democracy is being undermined to further them. The people are pawns. 5g? See above the concerns. Not to say they cannot be challenge but they seem sensible to me. Lizards? There is a long history of lizards being mentioned in various cultures. Including the Bible. Indian cultures in the US have a rich history of telling such tales. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim Not to say any of this is true, but just to point out that conspiracy evolves from speculation on something that is considered to be the truth. Otherwise it’s hard to gain traction. I would recommend Those Conspiracy Guys podcast. They delve into such… Read more »
How many of the cranks at the protests are state agent provocateurs?
Every time there is a protest in Germany, three skinheads turn up so the TV cameras can focus on them. Now for sure, such people exist (and turn up to protests) but it’s mighty convenient that there are plenty of cranks around to (1) put people with sensible objections off attending (2) discredit those that do as conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, far-right nutters, etc.
Interesting question, this is something that has happened in the recent past and it is far from improbable that it still does.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jan/20/undercover-police-children-activists
https://theconversation.com/the-shocking-and-immoral-behaviour-of-the-british-secret-police-22326
There is a very long history here, I won’t bore you with details but the Babbington plot (1586) that led to the execution of Mary, Queen of Scots is a textbook example of government agents formenting what was a rather silly and improbable plot.
Hmmm. How many posters on here are 77th do you reckon, Commander ?
(What do you command exactly ?).
Commander Jameson is the default player character name in the classic BBC micro game “elite”, which I loved as a kid.
In real life I’m a medically educated clinical researcher.
I’m sure there are a few Brigade 77 types here, out to discredit covid skepticism by filling the place up with 5G, David Icke, and overblown claims that PCR tests are useless because they aren’t perfect.
BBC eh ? 🙂
Personally, I see the 77th’s main role here and on other sites, as being to divide and rule. To me, division is way higher up their agenda than discrediting.
Having seen knowledgeable people with integrity ridiculed, slandered, and censored for decades, they don’t need the slightest bit of help from us for that. Division though, they need us to shoot ourselves in the feet.
My comment here isn’t intended to sound especially mean but I cannot think of a better way to say what I want to. Anyine who is complaining about the kinds of people and messages at the protest might like to consider the effort, balls and courage it takes to put on any protest. If those who put on last Saturdays are delusional loonies then perhaps it’s time to stop complaining and time to organise your own demonstration. It takes huge skill, determination and pluck. Good luck to all those who have done it and do it in future. Swelling the numbers to dilute messages you don’t agree with is one action you can take to counter the problem you see. Refining the message is also a good so perhaps you already are working to better the situation. With every anti-establishment protest it’s likely there will be agent provocateurs* using any means available to discredit. It is never going to be perfect. I believe the message of unifying is important, we can easily set aside differences because on this Covid1984 issue we, the people, have more in common than that which divides us. *I’m not suggesting any group were agents on… Read more »
The problem is that skeptics are cats, and the other side is a pack of hounds. They are sufficiently cult like to get petitions raised and several hundred thousand signatures attached. They are skilled at lobbying – largely because they probably all work in media, PR and advertising
And of course they are sheep like and easily hypnotisable – which makes them very easy to corral using fairly standard persuasion techniques.
Real skeptics really just want the world to act rationally and leave them alone.
Real skeptics want tge world to leave them alone. I want that. They are intent on leaving no one behind. Even skeptics need to compromise to see of tyranny. There are ways of adapting to others without taking on their ideologies. Clearly the tar brush will be out to get everyone who speaks up. Is that enough to end dissent?
An interesting blog post on tge subject.
“This is now, quite simply, about ordinary people standing up to the exploitative dictatorship of the global capitalist technocratic elite.
“At this moment of enormous existential crisis for the freedom and well-being of humankind, all certainties around previous political classifications have been thrown out of the window.”
https://winteroak.org.uk/2020/08/30/the-uprising-has-begun/
thanks for posting this, basics , great link.
As one participant put it: “We are left, we are right, we are young, old, black, white, we are the working class. And our eyes are open. Don’t believe the hype. The Unite For Freedom march was very diverse. We cannot afford to be divided any longer”.
Likewise which is why I describe myself as anarcho-conservative, leave me alone and leave my world alone too.
They are so skilled at lobbying, PR and the media, yet they think they can turn the Covid paranoia they created on and off like a tap.
Think of yourself anyway you like. Cats, cult-like, ffs.
Media, PR, advertsing – risible.
Real sceptics do what you tell them ? Ha ha.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn’t have been able to articulate them so well though. Thank you.
Hear, hear! Thank you for posting this. I went to the rally in Trafalgar Square on this understanding.
Great post Basics. Totally agree. It is important that we stand together. Small splinter groups do NOT work.
A lockdown sceptic will be labeled/smeared by the press/social media/government, etc as it is the way they deal with people that goes against the narrative
In the distant future I hope these pages and comments will stand as a “Pepys’ diary recording the lunacy that struck Britain in 2020 So for our readers in 2320 31/8/2020 Due to government imposed conditions it’s unlikely that there is a viable public house, restaurant or cafe left in Britain. Sitting in a pub is akin to sitting in a gulag canteen. These conditions are zealously enforced by local authority licencing officers. It has not yet dawned on these licencing officers that the resultant loss of tax revenue will mean the loss of their jobs The government continues to encourage the falsification of death certificates in order to show that people died of covid 19 when they had not The government is increasing testing for covid19. This is so the government can tell people that are well, that they are unwell. This is despite the the fact that people know they are well and that the government knows that they know they are well Yesterday at Banwen in South Wales a gathering of 3,000 people was broken up by riot police and the organisers handed 10k fines. Twenty miles South at Barry Island tens of thousands of people gathered… Read more »
The licensing officers work for the state, they will always have jobs. In fact with no cafes, pubs and restaurants to inspect, they can “work” from home!
On the bright side, pubs can re-open once all the licensing inspectors have been sacked. 🙂
So, I’m apparently a sociopath because I refuse to be forced to wear a dirty, bacteria-ridden rag on my face against my will when there is weak scientific evidence as to its effectiveness. I’m not the one who instigated a massive involuntary euthanasia programme by discharging elderly Covid hospital patients into care homes. I’m not the one who locked healthy people away for MONTHS on end and refused to let them meet, hug, and kissed loved ones. I’m not the one who made sexual intercourse with someone outside my household illegal. I’m not the one who has destroyed the education and physical/mental wellbeing of children the world over. I’m not the one who closed down the health service to anyone who didn’t have Covid, condemning them to a slow death. I’m not the one who drove teenagers to suicide because they just could not cope with this horrendous new dystopia. I’m not the one who forced businesses to close for the longest period in history, depriving normal hard-working people of their livelihoods and everything they have grafted for. I’m not the one who stopped people from earning a living and having purpose, making them entirely dependent on the state. I’m… Read more »
Brilliant!
Great post.
Great comment. All the more powerful for being completely true.
But if the MSM feels the need to publish garbage like that Times article, and stuff like the 88% or whatever it was find masked men more attractive, we can be confident they are desperate and feel things slipping away. Either that, or they are mad.
My fervent hope is that those responsible for the catalogue of crimes listed in your post one day face justice. They should be hunted down like war criminals and brought to account.
Exactly…. how many other peoples holidays did you cancel?
Spot on and I agree with every word you’ve said. This is the reason why I’ve boycotted the MSM from the word go and cancelled my Times subscription. It’s very clear that people are slowly turning and the government and MSM are desperate to retain control hence articles like these which are so obviously fake and cobbled together meaningless pile of shit.
When the reckoning arrives its not just the likes of Johnson, Wakcock, Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance and Sturgeon who should get their just desserts. I would also include the bosses that make up the MSM (BBC, Sky, Times, Guardian, Daily Mail, etc) as well as the likes of Piers Morgan – they should face up to the consequences to their role in helping destroy the economy and people’s lives. They should be made to pay and not be allowed to get away with it.
MSM are even MORE culpable than the government in my view! (Not that I’m letting the government off in any way shape or form)
If there’s a Nuremberg Part 2 then both government and MSM should be tried for genocide and/or crimes against humanity.
So very, very true.
Labelling people sociopath/psychopath seems quite hard nosed.
It appears it’s intended to socially shame a person. I just wonder is it a Nudge Unit ploy from the conspiracist pyschologists in the UK Governments Behaviour Change unit. I label those academic bastards ‘c**ts’ myself so I guess it’s even.
They may think of themselves as a modern day Bletchley Park running the populous with nothing more than a knitted tank top and jar of brylcream, but we know they are on the dark side. I would stick my leg out if one walked past, but only because I am a sociopath.
Great post which nails it!
Brilliantly put. Sociopath is a word that is bandied about too easily these days. I’m happy to be labelled a sociopath if this is the other side of the coin — brainwashed psychopaths!
Superb.
Fantastic comment.
Fantastic Poppy That should be the new lockdown skeptic leaflet .This is exactly the arguments we need ,leave the out there stuff behind us and present the facts and how they have effected us all .But put them out there with passion.
Nice!
oh well said!
Well said
Best post of the day, on a level with the one from Alethea a few days ago.
Excellent, screen shot for reference.
Absolutely brilliant. I’ve mailed it to myself for posterity.
Does the Times allow comments ? Anyone one with a subscription (yeah, I know) could post that as a superb (and suitably attributed, of course) rebuff
Brilliant
Is that the most ‘likes’ for any one comment? It is spot on. Well said.
It certainly deserves the accolade
Perfect!
I know this question is offensive to some Poppy, but do you use Twitter? Would love to give you a follow.
Not offensive at all! No, sadly I don’t use Twitter 🙂
Haha sometimes I don’t blame people! You’d be a real asset, there’s a great sceptic community there under Simon Dolan’s #KBF movement. We’re taking the fight to the bedwetters! 💪🏼
Superb, Poppy. Well put.
At what point will the lack of a second wave be accepted? Christmas? March?
What year? Christmas/March of 2030 would be my best guess
Calling it a second wave is roughly as appropriate as calling “summer” a “heatwave”.
There will be a second wave. All the flu and cold nasties that folk get in late autumn and winter will be spun into the second wave.
Correct, all the normal seasonal deaths from Flu will be fudged to be COVID-19, so second wave will definitely be here by March next year.
If that is the cade then how exactly are they differentiating between flu and CV19 now? Has been many posts on here discussing comparison of current deaths rates between the two. Surely that would not be possible if just bunged under the CV19 category to further the lockdown agenda?
I don’t expect there to be a second wave.
But yet I cannot rule it out completely until I have done a bit more research. If the Russian “flu” of 1889 was indeed the emergence of the OC43 coronavirus, as has been postulated, it DID have a second wave the following year. I don’t know why. I need to look into that.
Anyway coronaviruses in the northern hemisphere temperate zones typically peak Jan-Mar so I guess Feb/March we should know.
But surely Feb/March would be the annual return just like most virus.
Interesting I didn’t know the 1890 pandemic had a second wave.
In the context of Covid it’s not well defined what people mean by a second wave. You get a second wave when you lift early lockdowns (but other people call that the first wave) and we can expect an adjustment to a higher equilibrium in winter. Then I would expect it to return every year or two, each time less severely than the last.
Probably now about 50% of people have had it. The other 50% will get it for the first time (for them) over the next few decades resulting in more new deaths, but more slowly.
That Dutch study found that since about 1985 most people had had most of the HCoVs about 5 times each.
We may never know because if they decide to lock everyone down and there is no second waver (however they define one) then they will simply say it was lockdown wot did it.
In fact if there is no second wave, any actions taken will be claimed to have prevented it.
Sweden provides the control. I hope they prove how wrong everyone else has been.
Freshers Flu will be SW if they ever go back to Uni
If we can agree that the Unions would love to bring the government down (see Jo Grady UCU) yesterday.
So hence it’s curious that the Government continue to act in a way that is providing more and more power to those wishing to destroy them.
Friday AM Johnson and his lap dog Shapps say return to work it’s safe.
Friday PM Sturgoen – don’t return to work it’s not safe.
Saturday AM – Hancock “expect the second wave, lockdowns are coming, cancel Christmas”
If the government believes its message then why on earth isn’t there stronger leadership and agree a plan/message and stick to it.
My take on it is the confusion is deliberate. With confusion present a person or group is more suggestable. Works from the slight of hand in a card game up to controlling a nation.
I think it’s much likelier that the government is simply weak and rudderless, buffeted by the various forces of society and incapable of setting its own course.
I listen to what you say but remain disagreed. I don’t consider the gits in suits who dress for going on TV, the politicians, are setting any of the direction they drag us in. They are incompetent. They idea we got from February to today by happenstance is not acceptable to me.
Agree.No one is this incompetent.
You give them too much credit. They are bunch of fools and expecting them to be able to play the card game “snap” is probably optimistic.
Strong leadership requires strong leaders.
I find it curious too. The MSM has way more than enough ammunition to bring this Government down. The Care Homes death scandal on it’s own should be more than enough to do this but they just sit back and keep pumping the scare mongering out.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CERoQOzH3Wk/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Because the media have been bought by the waves of Covid themed advertising.
If they told the truth about the Covid that income would cease and they would be out of business.
Partly because the MSM are complicit, thanks to their panic-mongering.
Is telling people to go back to work, a devolved issue? I would argue it is not. Therefore Johnson/Davidson/Ross or whoever could be all over Scottish Media telling people to go back – if that is the UK-wide message. What could Sturgeon do about it?
If Johnson was properly in charge he would have sacked Hancock for that.
The compliant public just keeps saying: We need more guidance.
WHY don’t you just try to think for yourself???
Cheer up! Is BLM in Britain in death throes?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678925/Dozens-activists-gather-Notting-Hill-Million-People-March-BLM-protest.html
They planned it as a Million Man March. Cuppla hundred showed up.
When the premier league players stop taking the knee before every fucking game we’ll know that one has run it’s course. FWIW, unlike some on here, I do agree with the original claimed sentiment of their ‘movement’ (that racism is bad and that racism shouldnt be a thing) and agree there _is_ an ever present issue of racism within society, but there is also sexism – against women *and*, shock, in some industries against men, and ageism and classism (i’m assuming I can just add ism onto the end of things to make it work). I’m not convinced, however, that a majority of the people going on the marches/protests/riots (or even organising them) are doing so to effect change in a co-operative manner, quite simply because it’s pretty much an intangible thing to try and change. What are they hoping for exactly? It’s a bit like the petty covid restrictions, there’s no ‘target’ to aim for and thus they can never be satisfied. It’s not like they’ve said ‘we’re protesting to get law X changed and thus help us on our way to a remove race as an obstacle to achieving Y’. See also that we are not told to… Read more »
I think as well they’ve massively shot themselves in the foot – look at the Last Night of the Proms furore, the BBC and Dalia Stavseka (the conductor) have massively misjudged the mood of the public. The BBC have gained nothing but more nails to stick into their coffin and I won’t be surprised if this year’s Last Night will end up with abysmal ratings while Stavseka hopefully has learned the lesson that the only thing people want from her is to wave her stick around and are not interested in her virtue signalling nonsense.
Discrimination is endemic, as part of the human condition.
It is wrong. It was noticed long ago. It is a tool of division by anyone wanting to invoke it’s principles. This was noticed equally long ago too..
The thing I find is the ones who are the most vocal about hate are the ones that are filled with the most hate.
A tweet appeared on my Twitter line the other day from some guy who was justifying that he and his like minded friends were more evolved because they are above hate. I read through his Tweets and found they contained nothing but hate, but he and his friends are unable to see this, and believe they are on a much higher plain than everyone else.
Projection.
Definitely projection.
aha. but your hate is his reasonable and reasoned argument .
“When the premier league players stop taking the knee before every fucking game we’ll know that one has run it’s course.” – they only get away with it because there’s no fans there, as soon as fans are there it’s gone as the boos will resonate around the stadiums.
Damn, just when I was going to give them a huge donation. Speaking of which, what happened to all the money?
I read somewhere that XR were blocking a road in Muswell Hill. Probably so they could all walk home to their Mummies. There were just enough of them to block one road junction.
Great picture in there.Man holding up a placard saying ‘I can’t breathe ‘
wearing a mask,
That happened down my way a while back. The city centre demo as planned gained so much promised support it had to be moved to an out of town park but barely 100 turned up.
Apologies if someone has already posted this:
Clinical characteristics of children and young people admitted to hospital with covid-19 in United Kingdom: prospective multicentre observational cohort study
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3249
Key quote:
Six (1%) children and young people died in hospital. Three were neonates (age <28 days) with severe comorbidities/illness—very premature, complex congenital cardiac anomaly, and bacterial sepsis. Three were aged 15-18 years, two of whom had profound neurodisability with pre-existing respiratory compromise; the other was immunosuppressed by chemotherapy for malignancy and had bacterial sepsis. Two children under 5 years old, both with life limiting, complex comorbidities, were discharged with planned palliative care and cause of death was not related to covid-19.
Please remove this post. The truth is not allowed
Yes but if they hadn’t died they could have lived a bit longer.
Something that is unique to dying with COVID.
That information has been around for months, the BMJ chose to Reveal it on Friday as the government attempted to row back the fear about school returns.
Several months if propaganda by omission.
My only question is if the study is of ALL hospitals in England & Wales or if the “multicentre” study of 260 centres is just a portion of the whole? Read whole study and still wasn’t clear!
The bejewelled face mask from Jacob Arabo-does it come with washing instructions?
Probably “Dry Clean Only”
No need, just give it to one of the house servants they’ll know what to do
Can I buy one for my hamster.
It would be very scratchy and uncomfortable to wear
Probably comes with money washing instructions.
Nice! What the plebs don’t realise, it’s a pure carbon filter.
If kids at King David High School in Manchester have to wear masks in classrooms, they will have the same experience as kids in France who as from tomorrow will have to do just that from the age of eleven upwards, as well as on the bus and in the corridors and the playground. There are always lots of programmes at this time of year discussing the dire state of education in France. This morning they also mentioned masks. Since it’s quite a big deal they had to. But it was a bit like Have you stopped beating your wife. Instead of “Do you think children should wear masks all day when there is no evidence to suggest mask-wearing in a non-surgical setting protects anyone?” the question was “Do you think masks should be provided free by the state? And if so for everyone or just for less well-off children?” And then they were side-tracked into an erudite discussion about égalité.
Maybe the parents at King David’s should do precisely that – we ain’t sending our kids in masks, if you want to, pay for it and provide the muzzle. While we’re at it, we’ll also hold you responsible if any kid passes out or heaven forbid dies while wearing them in your premises.
Mandatory masks are bad and bad enough. But they raise even more serious issues when people are required to wear them all day long. Especially worrying for children and people who are required to wear them outside as in Spain, Are there any studies at all on whether they have detrimental health effects if worn all day long? Because there should be some onus on those requiring it to prove it is safe for hours at a time, in a community setting.
Somebody involved with the union at my work is saying that in Scotland they will soon be mandatory in offices, indoor workplaces and essentially all indoor settings except homes. She may be talking wishful nonsense, but saw Paul Nuki in Telegraph beating the same drum.
Another exercise in fabrication and propaganda from the state news agency
A covhysteric’s word is taken as gospel, whilst everyone else on the plane, including the crew are covidiots
Or perhaps it just people realising it’s all covbollocks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53970217
Yes, the tui flight was all over the BBC news this Monday morning, full of could, might and ifs.
It was linked to Psychopathy yesterday!
Interesting how loads of people who have never broken the law in their lives, lead responsible lives, work (or have worked all their lives), pay their taxes, contribute to society, and don’t riot because they think something isn’t going their way, are now all being labelled as Psychopaths and Sociopaths because they will not wear a bit of fabric on their faces which has no evidence of actually having any benefit as even confirmed by the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England.
Lot of psychopaths down the local chippy then…including the staff behind the counter.
Wales is full of them as I says only 5% in shops are wearing them, and I’d say that 5% were English bed wetters from the behavior I’ve seen.
I would agree. I’m in Pembrokeshire and there are a few with face coverings. Tesco shopping was like it should be, people wandering around with little care in the world
The psychopaths and sociopaths frequent Downing Street.
Regarding the technocratic elite, I suggest listening to or reading Dwight D Eisenhower’s final speech. Piers Corbyn can be too much of a conspiracy theorist BUT the one area I agree with him are his views on climate change.
My wife works in a university library and is petrified about the students coming back. They increase the towns population by 30%.
Currently I am on holiday in South Wales and went to a large supermarket no masks, no one way system almost normal. The TUI flight from Greece that has to self isolate was heading to Cardiff Airport, which maybe why there were no masks worn by the ‘covidiots’ as reported on the BBC probably by passengers from England.
Good suggestion to seek out Eisenhower’s speech.
3 mins from it
https://youtu.be/Gg-jvHynP9Y
16 mins of it
https://youtu.be/OyBNmecVtdU
Thanks for the link – just listened to it. A lot of it is eerily prophetic.
It’s the 21st century term for “heretic”.