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by Will Jones
3 September 2020 1:37 AM

“No Sign of Second Wave”: Experts Rubbish Matt Hancock’s “Alarmist” Claims

Data shows that the number of cases and hospitalisations in the UK followed the same trend in the first wave of the outbreak but as cases have risen in a second phase since lockdown was lifted, hospital rates have so far stayed stubbornly low. Scientists say this is likely because the people getting infected now are young and healthy, unlike the sick older people who were picked up during the peak of the outbreak

The Mail has been doing a good job of late, countering the Government’s narrative of fear and doom (and social control) by giving a platform to some solid sceptical scientific voices. Here it is again today:

Health Secretary Matt Hancock yesterday warned that the UK ‘must do everything in our power’ to stop a second surge of people going into hospital with the coronavirus, which he said was starting to happen in Europe. 

But experts told MailOnline Mr Hancock’s comments were ‘alarmist’ and that there is currently ‘no sign’ of a second wave coming over the horizon. The data shows hospital cases are also not rising by much in Europe, contrary to the Health Secretary’s claim.

As of yesterday there were only 764 people in hospital with COVID-19 in the UK, just 60 of whom are in intensive care. This is a sharp drop from a peak of 19,872 hospitalised patients on April 12.

The falling number of hospital cases comes despite infections having been on the rise since lockdown restrictions were lifted at the start of July. Experts say this is because the groups getting infected and diagnosed now are completely different to those at the start of the pandemic. 

Scientists say it is younger people driving up infections and they are less likely to get seriously ill and end up in hospital. For that reason, hospital cases and deaths will not necessarily follow higher cases, and there may not be a deadly wave like the first.  

Another 1,295 people were diagnosed with the virus in Britain yesterday, following 1,406 the day before, and the seven-day average number of daily cases is now 1,339 – a 27 per cent increase on last Tuesday and the highest since June 11. 

Professor Carl Heneghan, a medicine expert at the University of Oxford, said: ‘There is currently no second wave. What we are seeing is a sharp rise in the number of healthy people who are carrying the virus, but exhibiting no symptoms. Almost all of them are young. They are being spotted because – finally – a comprehensive system of national test and trace is in place.’

Mr Hancock said in the Commons yesterday that he feared this rise in infections in healthy people would creep into vulnerable groups if allowed to continue, saying it was a pattern seen in the US where cases are out of control again. 

His comments followed that of Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO’s Europe chief, who said he ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ if hospital admissions surged this November to levels seen during the worst days of the pandemic.

But scientists have shot down Mr Hancock’s doomsayer comments, pointing out that deaths have not risen in France or Spain, and the reason hospital admissions have not risen in the UK with diagnosed cases ‘simply reflects increased testing’. 

Testing has increased vastly from no more than 13,000 tests per day at the start of April to around 150,000 in July and 200,000 in August

Official data from the continent shows Europe’s hospitals are not filling up with coronavirus patients despite a surge in positive tests – hospitalisations have been falling in France, Spain and Germany while cases have risen.

Open University statistician Professor Kevin McConway told MailOnline: ‘An important point is that numbers of Covid deaths in France have shown very little evidence of a rise recently. There has been something of a rise in deaths Spain, but not very marked at all.’ 

Statisticians say expansion of testing capacity means infections are being found more easily than at the start of the pandemic. In the UK alone, the number of tests being carried out has increased by 20% from the start of July to now. But the number of positive results has gone up by only 0.3 per cent in the same period, suggesting new cases are a combination of more tests, and only a slight rise in infections in hotspots.  

Worth reading in full.

Government U-turns On Lifting Local Lockdowns

Boris Johnson was greatly relieved when the latest consignment of U-turns arrived from China, providing enough supplies for the Government to last at least another week.

The Government has done another U-turn, deciding not to lift restrictions in Bolton and Trafford. The areas are to be kept in lockdown at the request of local bedwetting councillors while restrictions are eased in the rest of the region. BBC News has the story:

Parts of Greater Manchester will not have lockdown restrictions eased as planned following a Government U-turn. Measures in Bolton and Trafford were due to be eased overnight after a fall in cases earlier in August. But they will “now remain under existing restrictions” following “a significant change in the level of infection rates over the last few days”, the Government announced.

The region’s mayor Andy Burnham said the U-turn had been “complete chaos”. The boroughs had been due to allow people from different households to meet indoors and businesses to offer close contact services such as facials, but that has now been halted.

Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock said the decision was made “in collaboration with local leaders after reviewing the latest data” which showed infection rates had more than trebled in Bolton in under a week and doubled in Trafford since the last review. “We have always been clear we will take swift and decisive action where needed to contain outbreaks,” he added.

Amazing to think that locking down healthy populations was unheard of before March. Now it seems to be the first tool in the box. None of the areas is seeing a sustained rise in cases above around 50 per 100,000, however. Maybe time to stop with the sledgehammer lockdowns?

Schools Demanding Masks in Classrooms Against Government Guidance

A reader has pointed out a worrying story in a local newspaper about Twynham School in Christchurch, which is enforcing masks at all times including in classrooms. Government guidance on this is clear: “Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.” Nonetheless, the headteacher, Jy Taylor, wrote to parents saying:

Throughout this pandemic we have approached everything with a measured and cautious approach and there are still many unknowns. As a result we have made the decision that all students will be required to wear a facemask when they are inside any building at Twynham School. This applies to all students in all settings, including in the classroom (there will be some exemption when students can be distanced appropriately). This has been a very complex decision and one that has not been made lightly. We are aware that this may not be a popular decision with students and we do have some concerns about their ability to communicate in the classroom.

Meanwhile the parent of a child at Bedales, a boarding school in Hampshire that charges fees of £39,000 a year, has been in touch with some shocking news:

Bedales School had a single kid with sore throat on first day back. All kids immediately sent home for another fortnight. (Right after the £13k term fees cheques cleared).

Stop Press: After someone claimed this wasn’t true in the comments, we double-checked it. Turns out, a group of 20 sixth formers at Bedales were sent home yesterday after one became ill. All 20 had been at the same party the night before.

Are Some Local Authorities Deliberately Mistreating Pupils to Force Schools to Close?

“Are you joking about Covid, Timmy Watkins?”

A reader from Merseyside has been in touch with a disturbing story about the experience of his sons as they returned to school today:

My boys started back at school today. They’re usually quite robust and no nonsense but they came home in tears. They have to face the front all day. If they turn their heads it is a mandatory week exclusion. They must use the one way system (obviously) and if they are caught not doing so they are excluded. Three people excluded today because they forgot and turned the wrong way. They only get half an hour for lunch but they have to queue up in silence for 20 mins and when they get in they are moved off under the threat of exclusion and they have to be back in their rooms by the stroke of 30 mins or guess what happens? Exclusion. So no lunch. It’s the only break they get. Guess what happens if they talk in class, guess what happens if the slightest bit of uniform is wrong (even though we can only order from one supplier and they are running four weeks behind).

The school buses haven’t turned up and the public buses aren’t letting the kids on because they have provided a free bus for the school kids. ONE SINGLE DECKER FOR THE WHOLE SCHOOL. They need to be in for 8:30am. If they are not in on time then they will be excluded. If they are seen around the school (outside) at any time before 8:30am then they will be excluded. How is this supposed to work, esp when they can’t get to school because their are no buses? The head has told me they should walk. A 90 min walk at 7am in winter, in the dark along a dual carriageway!! And the same home. Oldest child (13) has to go to school in school PE shorts that haven’t arrived and have three hours PE at end of day and then walk home in it. All the teachers are completely encased in acrylic boxes at the front of the classroom and aren’t allowed to leave them while pupils are in the classroom. 

I’m all for discipline and I know it’s difficult, but this is ridiculous. I get the feeling this is teaching unions making it as difficult as possible in order to close the schools.

If public sector lockdown fanatics will mistreat children by turning their school into ruthless, no-mercy, boot camps, are there any depths to which they won’t stoop?

Students “Sentenced to Isolation Prisons”

University students in America are finding they’ve signed up not, as they thought, to a world-class educational experience with a bit of Animal House thrown in, but an over-priced stint in the clink. Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge has more:

These [coronavirus] restrictions are absurd from the perspective of protecting people’s health given that coronavirus is not particularly dangerous. This is especially the case for the teen and twenty-something students. For these relatively young college students, coronavirus generally poses very little risk of death. Further, most such young adults experience zero symptoms to minor sickness from coronavirus infection.

I have written about the draconian restrictions imposed at college campuses in the name of countering coronavirus, with some focus on Duke University, Syracuse University, and the University of Texas and Texas A&M. These are not handpicked examples of campuses whose college administrators have imposed uniquely harsh rules in the name of countering coronavirus. The problem is present at many college campuses across America, and it is devastating for many students.

The piece relays testimonials collected by Jordan Schachtel of students living in prison-like conditions across America. Here’s a selection:

“No gatherings over 15 people. Everyone’s mental health is crumbling. Nobody is even sick and those who quarantine follow the rules. School requires asymptomatic testing and there’s no end in sight. My guy and girl friends are all miserable . So many have been like this is prison we can’t do anything. All bars closed in Louisiana. We gather at local parks and the cops come to shut it down. No fun ever allowed and no end in sight.”

“Students must wear masks outside dorm rooms, cannot visit another dorm, etc. Threatened with draconian honor code violations if they violate the rules and orientation was declared all virtual at the last minute.  Yet today, the athletes, with permission of and active participation by the University, were permitted to organize a BLM march through campus.”

“No roommates…  all online classes, no in person activities, dining halls closed, libraries closed except under very strict guidance, no visiting another dorm room, six-ft distance at all times, masks mandatory when not in dorm room, cannot leave the Nashville area, circles drawn on quad area, threats of suspension/expulsion for first offense, security guards posted throughout campus to enforce rules, kids encouraged to report non-compliance, etc. After having been on campus for a week, my daughter has not met nor spoken to a single person. She is in her dorm room in front of her computer at almost all times, and the only times she really leaves are when she picks up her to-go meals. This is a very depressing situation.”

“They have a very restrictive plan which we respect for managing COVID… but there’s nothing to manage the student’s personal experience.  Even with negative tests… very restrictive.  All classes are online. He can’t even socialize with the other students in the dorm. 1 hour outside once in a while… this was his time to mature, and become more independent.  It’s been the equivalent of House Arrest with a stranger which would have been tolerable if things were allowed to open up.  He can’t even go outside to speak on the phone in private.”

Worth reading in full.

Kim-Jong Dan’s Vicstapo Outdoes the Stasi

A video is circulating of the arrest of a pregnant mum, Zoe Lee, in her pyjamas, for “incitement” under Kim-Jong Dan’s corona laws. Her crime? Posting this on Facebook:

That’s liberal democracy, folks. Alan Jones, our favourite broadcaster, gave Kim-Jong Dan both barrels on Sky News Australia.

Meanwhile, a reader has been in touch with a new dispatch from the People’s Democratic Republic of Victoria:

Something my one fellow lockdown sceptic at work noticed was the daily reports of how many fines have been handed out by the Vicstapo each day… nearly every day it is very close to 200 fines, a cynic might almost say that they had a quota!?! They are still chasing down anyone trying to organise any form of protest who are being raided/arrested and charged with ‘incitement’ with the huge fines that go along with that. Unfortunately the protest groups do seem rather full of 5G conspiracy nutters and the Police take great delight in branding any dissenters as tin foil hat wearing COVID denier conspiracy theorists. The Deputy Commissioner Luke Cornetto (Well it’s Cornelius, but he looks like he enjoys a few Cornettos… doughnuts too probably) describes any protest as “bat-shit crazy” and after standing back for the BLM protest earlier in the year promises a hardline approach to any Coronaphobia protests.

California Plans a Return to Normal – Never

A reader has sent us the Governor of California’s guidance for lifting COVID-19 restrictions. Depressing stuff.

Tom Woods comments:

This means no return to normal, ever. Given the problem of false positives alone, how can these numbers ever be reached? A member of the Tom Woods Show Elite pointed out some pertinent facts here. Since 42 of the 58 California counties have fewer than 500K people, a mere five cases per day will keep restrictions in place. Some 23 counties will be forced to keep some restrictions in place with just one case per day. These guidelines are being released at the very moment that hospitalizations are plummeting – but hospital capacity no longer guides state policy, even though that was the original pretext behind the initial “flattening the curve” propaganda.

“Piers Corbyn May Be a Crank But His Treatment Should Worry Us All”

Barrister Blogger Matthew Scott has a new post warning that the £10,000 fine imposed on Piers Corbyn for organising an anti-lockdown rally should concern us all.

Regulation 5B was hastily made law last Friday 28th August, the day before the demonstration was held. It was introduced under an emergency procedure and was neither debated nor given even the most cursory scrutiny by any Parliamentary process. It permits the most junior Community Support Officer in the country to issue a Fixed Penalty Notice to the suspected organiser of a political event, demanding £10,000 to avoid prosecution and consequent financial ruin. Given its timing, even if it was not introduced with the purpose of targetting the organisers of a political protest against government policy, it very much has that appearance…

The fact that Mr Corbyn may be a crank, and that many of those at his meeting may have had disreputable or even disgusting political opinions is quite beside the point. As Sedley LJ put it in Redman-Bate v. DPP [1999] EWHC 733:

“Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative provided it does not tend to provoke violence. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having. … From the condemnation of Socrates to the persecution of modern writers and journalists, our world has seen too many examples of state control of unofficial ideas. A central purpose of the European Convention on Human Rights has been to set close limits to any such assumed power.” …

If Mr Hancock’s emergency law is upheld by the courts, as I expect it will be, so much the worse for the law. There may very occasionally be a place – in a true emergency – for significant changes to the criminal law to be made by ministerial proclamation, without warning, without debate and with no opportunity for Parliamentary scrutiny, but in a democracy those occasions should be kept to an absolute minimum. There are plenty of countries where decrees are routinely issued to prevent or deter political demonstrations. Why are we trying to emulate them?

Worth reading in full.

The Free Speech Union has reached out to Piers to see if he’d like any help contesting this. Will keep you posted on that one.

Round-Up

  • ‘What is behind the increase of non-Covid related deaths?‘ – COVID-19 deaths continue to decline but non-Covid deaths are beginning to climb, especially at home. Is it because of lack of access to medical attention, asks Ross Clark in the Spectator
  • ‘Is Scotland overcounting the number of patients in hospital beds?‘ – Ask Professor Carl Heneghan and co. In a word, yes
  • ‘Unfair and unenforced – our Covid-19 quarantine laws are a total mess‘ – Karol Sikora says it as it is in the Telegraph in support of the newspaper’s Test4Travel campaign
  • ‘Nation with strictest lockdown has most deaths‘ – George Dance on Peru, the country whose lockdown has backfired most tragically
  • ‘Fear of virus is holding back economy, Andrew Bailey warns‘ – The Bank of England governor says that while consumer spending and the housing market are surging social spending and business investment are way down
  • ‘De Blasio Suggests Return of Indoor Dining Depends on Coronavirus Vaccine‘ – The NYC mayor determined to destroy what’s left of his city
  • ‘Boris Johnson chose not to sack Gavin Williamson… and perhaps there’s a very simple reason‘ – Michael Deacon in the Telegraph wonders whether he kept him on in order to sack him later when the return to school goes tits up
  • ‘Switching the code for social harmony‘ – The excellent Melanie Phillips on the dangers of the demand to abolish Standard English as a form of “anti-Black linguistic racism and white linguistic supremacy”. Yes, really
  • ‘Tony Abbott rails against Covid ‘health dictatorships’, saying some elderly should be left to die naturally‘ – The straight-talking former Australian PM puts in a word for hard-headed public health policy
  • ‘The Bloodless Political Class and Its Lack of Empathy‘ – Jeffrey Tucker at the Atlas Society says the yawning emotional gap between government and people is because they can’t face up to what they’ve done in imposing a devastating but ineffective lockdown
  • ‘No, racism isn’t a “creation of white people“‘ – Professor David Abulafia, Emeritus Professor of Mediterranean History at the University of Cambridge, debunks the historically illiterate ideas of the British Library’s chief librarian Liz Jolly
  • ‘It’s time to derail the Pride train‘ – Andrew Doyle in spiked on why he’s had enough of sexual identity politics and the hijacking of gay rights by intolerant identitarians
  • ‘Record number of young people on benefits‘ – And with tax rises on the way you have to wonder how long the government’s already wavering popularity is going to last

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 6th to Oct 16th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 31,000).

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: Another school appears to have ‘misunderstood’ the government’s guidance on face coverings in schools. St Augustine Academy Maidstone is happy to give the impression that, though not in a local lockdown area, they are now required to expect pupils to mask. The assistant principal, a Mr Blackford, writes:

As you are aware, the Government recently updated their advice regarding the wearing of face coverings in schools. This letter outlines important information about the use of face coverings.

When will my child need to wear a face covering at the Academy?

Your child will need to wear a face covering at our Academy from the start of the Academic year in September.

One father took the school to task for this unwelcome imposition, and his letter, which he has sent to Lockdown Sceptics, is worth quoting at length:

Can you please point me towards the risk assessments that the school/Government have done with regards to children wearing face masks (both clinical and non-clinical as your guidance seems to advocate the use of either) and storing them in resealable plastic bags. I have searched extensively for any risk assessments connected to wearing masks and have only found a growing body of evidence that there is very little detectable benefit in terms of preventing the spread of COVID-19. I would draw your attention to the British Medical Journal review of the latest studies. The authors concluded that: “The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support the widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against COVID-19…” and recommended further high quality randomised controlled trials. “To our knowledge, there are no trials of cloth masks in the general public.“

Professor Russel Viner is President of the Royal College of Paediatrics and a member of the SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) committee that advises the government and specifically COBRA on responses to the COVID-19 epidemic. On August 24th, in an interview for BBC Newsnight, he made several interesting statements that directly contradict the school/Government policies and expose the sheer quackery on which they are based:

“I’ve had two emails today about studies coming out in the next couple of weeks… which are generally reassuring… which tell us that children… and schools play a very limited role in transmission of the virus.”

“There’s very little evidence that children and young people transmit (the virus).”

“The evidence around mask wearing is unclear… There’s lots of concerns about mask wearing for children… it actually could, potentially, spread the virus more.”

“…for teenagers we don’t have the evidence that this [mask wearing] is useful.”

“…we need to look at how teenagers transmit this virus, the evidence they transmit in schools is not very high, there’s interesting issues about the difference between in school [transmission]  and out of school.”

“…actually very little evidence for the use of masks in schools.”

However, far more alarming is the growing body of evidence that wearing face masks may be detrimental to the health of the wearer hence my concern about the apparent lack of risk assessments or even an attempt to evaluate solid best practices and details of how they will be monitored. On top of everything else I’m certain that teachers cannot be expected to ensure that any child who has touched theirs or anyone else’s facemask inappropriately immediately washes their hands and doesn’t touch a multitude of other surfaces (doors, handles, light switches, etc.) in the process.

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And Finally…

CAMRA has been blasted for this 'tasteless and insensitive' Covid-themed pint glass for its 2020 beer festival glasses.
“Corona. Worth waiting for.”

According to the Mail, the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) has been blasted for its “tasteless and insensitive” Covid-themed festival pint glasses, which were printed with images of white virus cells. Although the group has now apologised after the design sparked fury on social media, festival organiser Catherine Tonry did attempt to explain:

As someone who has suffered lasting lung damage after contracting COVID-19, I am all too aware how serious the illness can be and the devastating and long-term impact it has had on so many of us. I sincerely apologise to anyone who has taken offence to the glass theme. We choose a theme every year and wanted to ensure the design recognised what was at the front of everyone’s mind. COVID-19 has been the defining event of 2020, and has severely impacted the beer and pub sector – as well as many of our personal lives.

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago

It’s me!

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago
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Or perhaps not. Sally’s post wasn’t showing up when I posted. Never mind – maybe next time

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago
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Oh it was me after all.

Just watching the arrest video from Victoria. If this doesn’t stir the inmates to rise up against their tyrannical jailers I don’t know what will

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
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Truly, people are I’m sure applauding the police for this. They think the police are keeping us safe. The brainwashing has been super effective.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
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I just heard that most of their personal weapons: guns, rifles etc were taken away from them 20 years ago. True or false?

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
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There was a gun buyback scheme and tightening of gun ownership laws following a massacre by a lone shooter. There are still lots of legally and illegally owned firearms in Australia, though.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
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Thanks, that’s good to know. I hate guns but I am beginning to think we might need to own them if this farce doesn’t end fairly soon.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
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They are testing to see what they can get away with.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
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As they say, most Aussies today seem to be the descendants of the prison guards, not of the prisoners….
Spiesser with surfboards.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
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Many of the original convicts were political dissidents ……

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
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It might not. Have you seen the Prime Minister of Australia? He looks very serious. Maybe he’s scared too. How could any decent human being contemplate compulsory vaccines? This man has had his morals severely compromised. Someone’s pulling his strings.

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago
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Prof Michael Levitt: Covid panic will shorten lives
UnHerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTFXwLXUC8
 Covid 19(84) 

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago
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‘It’s fear-mongering’: Pregnant woman arrested over anti-lockdown FB post speaks out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSLeIhYmUU

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
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“I’m too scared now.”

To stage a peaceful process.

21st Century Totalitarianism. I’m amazed how quickly our Western values have collapsed. It was all a castle of cards.

Ok, my mindset now is to forge ahead to help my kids – everyone’s kids – strive for a new and better world than the one our ‘masters’ have planned for us. The world I grew up in is dead. However, if there’s one thing history teaches us – in the long term, evil cannot win against the human spirit.

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PastImperfect
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https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
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Facebook Link above is for:
12 noon 19th September Trafalgar Square – second protest + speakers.

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Carlo
Carlo
5 years ago
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26th is there not 19th I thought??

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
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It’s winning now, Evil is way out in front.

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
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And, even if eventually overturned, it can kill and destroy the life of enormous numbers of individuals first. Neo-Stalinism won’t leave easily!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
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Johnson and Hancock are the very embodiment of that evil.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
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Only if you give up!

The tide is turning. Look at the comments BTL here for example:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/government-readies-pilot-scheme-universal-covid-19-testing/

Same in the Mail.
Sun readers are waking up too.
Grad doesn’t tend to allow comments on such matters, so that might actually speak silent volumes.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Have to agree with this..People have been brainwashed, conditioned and scared by the MSM to a point that all rational thought has left them. They took away all our humanity, the ability to interact, watch sports, go to a restaurat, hug our fucking grandparents for fucks sake..The next step is mandatory tracer apps ( look at Ireland) , social scores and mandatory vaccines that will never end.

https://youtu.be/4tLcwsCrAmI

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

We are in a fight to the death, quite literally. They want rid of most of us and complete control over those that are left.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

It looks like most people were just playing at being democratic citizens. Now there’s a new game in town – and they’re quickly learning the rules.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  nightspore

That means that some of us have to get back to the basics.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

When the time comes perhaps a Network (movie as discussed yesterday at LS) type of protest

“I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”

would be appropriate since nobody could be busted for inciting breaking lockdown as it mimics the NHS claporama that the government encouraged us to perform for months on end.

Last edited 5 years ago by karenovirus
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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Good idea Karen.
Shout it from your window every Thursday at 8PM.
“I’m as mad as hell – and I’m not gonna take it anymore”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

The second video is so unnerving. As a condition of her bail, she is not allowed to post to Facebook. How was it seen in the UK?

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Sorry this is all so serious but every time I click onto the comments there’s an adjective omitted comment “I’m first” or other equally adjective omitted banal remark. The joke was over weeks ago. Please stop.

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago

Re the “tasteless” pint glasses. Please, can someone please NOT apologise for once? And why are people so damn humourless these days? We’re living in a toxic blend of puritanism, hypocrisy and totalitarianism.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

We should create a cocktail combining all those ingredients. The Cock & Bull Bomb.

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BobT
BobT
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

I am with you Sally. I read somewhere today that they want to ban comedians…..

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

Obviously laughing spreads the Covid, just like singing and reading a newspaper on a train in Wales.

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

Time they banned the clowns.

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  James Bertram

That’s most of the Cabinet gone then!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

And the Cabinet banned the rest of Parliament way back in April …..

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

We’ll never get anywhere until we refuse to appease the perennially offended. If you are incapable of accepting there are alternative points of view in the world kindly stay under your duvet and out of the way until it is all over.

Then the majority can get on with their lives.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

I quite liked the glasses and once upon a time you could have had them and had a bit of laugh with your mates. Unfortunately the spell that been cast over the whole planet has now rendered them humour-less and pious over the whole Convid thing as they bleat: “But people are DYING!” “What do you mean, you DON’T WEAR A MASK?!!!” “I don’t want to hear your CONSPIRACY THEORIES! I listen to news I can trust like the BBC and CNN!” and so on…..I’ve given up with the majority of so-called friends who want to preach to you but put you down if you have any sort of alternative opinion to theirs. Yes, our world isn’t very funny anymore.

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Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

I thought the glass was very tasteful & would be very pleased to have one!

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

looked like a Delerium Tremens glass to me

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Infection rates or the number of people tested has increased? Doublespeak.

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BobT
BobT
5 years ago

Yesterday I was inspired by Prof. Carl Heneghan’s observations that the number of replications in the PCR testing cycle threshold (Ct) is too high when determining a positive, infectious ‘case’ but I do not think that he quantified what the difference could be.  Carl, I believe, is a fellow northerner and it is well known that we are more practical, pragmatic and much more intelligent than anyone else so I did a simplistic calculation of what the difference would be with Ct at 40 which is the NHS threshold for determining a positive ‘case’ (see link below) and Ct at 24 which Carl suggested from CEBM research was a more reasonable amount of replications to determine who was actually infectious to others. I worked it out thus, The ratio of 2^24 and 2^40 is 2^16 or 1:65,536. Does this mean that out of 65,536 positive tests recorded only 1 is likely to be infectious? Clearly this is simplistic becase it assumes a linear relationship over the spread of Ct’s. The actual distribution of Ct’s amongst the tests is not published therefore I cannot draw any firm conclusions. But in my reading today I came across a NYT article from 2… Read more »

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

The NYT story was translated to German and disseminated by 1 major (small) news network only, NTV, in Germany.
The two most influential bedwetters and panic mongerers in Germany, Drosten and Lauterbach, supported its conclusions.
But since then: nothing.
No realization that the numbers are inflared or any hint of interpreting them differently, let alone of a policy
change.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

This is what needs to be fed next to the useless meeja hacks. If they start questioning the sensitivity, then the government could be forced into creating a specification for the test. Then they hit a dead end of either specifying a clearly oversensitive test, or wiping out detected “cases” overnight. I hope this may be where Carl Heneghan takes us.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKkC8nHYjQ
Ken Nordine, You’re getting better.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From Toby’s lead article Mail commenters are overwhelmingly skeptic, not just the best/worst comments but most as they roll in and some are very well informed.

The reproduced bar chart, cases/deaths (or lack thereof), is clearer than those posted yesterday which I was able to show a number of people that the number of cases, that the BBC keep harping on about, has no comparison to nugatory quantity of deaths.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’ve had rocky relationship with the Mail, getting angry at their clickbait nonsense for years, but there does appear to an emergence of some sort of challenge to the rest of the MSMs narrative at times, and its interesting to see that the majority of commenters are waking up too.

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paulm
paulm
5 years ago

When it becomes widely known that asymptomatic cases cannot infect others with any health-threatening viral load perhaps that will herald an end to this nonsense.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  paulm

The problem with that is that these infections are still coming from somewhere. Much could be excessive PCR amplification and false positives, but it is still rattling on for far longer than it would do if infections weren’t happening at all.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

I don’t see the logic of that. False positives could explain precisely why it was ‘rattling on’. Forever. When amplifying nothing but noise, ‘surges’ and ‘spikes’ could be totally spurious.

But even if some infections are real, no one seems to have asked whether life is worth living unless we accept a small amount of risk.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Surely without symptoms, it’s a stretch to call the infections?
Let’s face it, we all carry candida but most of us don’t have thrush.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Not to mention Strep and Staff – one of the strep can mutate into the old flesh eating bug (remember that misery)

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Not such a good exmaple, streptococus is a bacterium. Principle does hold for plenty of mild viruses though, there are many viral families (in humans, other animals…) discovered in labs which are very widely present but symptomless and so never noticed until someone goes looking.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

More likely to be fragments of previous coronavirus infections.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

So what,hardly anyone is dying.They are not sick.People are finally mixing after forced isolation.
This is what herd immunity looks like.

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I hope, that despite the best efforts of the locdown zealots, we have reached the herd immunity threshold, there are plausible suggestions it could be as low as 20%. Even if we aren’t at it, the closer we get to it the more contained any viral spread will naturally be. if we’d all followed Sweden we could have had this month earlier and with much less suffering along the way.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Real life viruses generally don’t disappear. They aren’t computer viruses that are wiped out. The way humans deal with real life viruses is that the body learns to cope with it. There are literally trillions of viruses in our bodies.

If they tested for the influenza virus or the common cold virus with the same zeal as they do this new coronavirus, positive test results would be showing up everywhere.

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kf99
kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

It’s a good point that we’ve been become too accustomed to the ‘computer’ meaning of the word, and the real meaning is lost.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  kf99

There is a similarity that is NOT recognised. A virus has no agency or ability to DO anything and must be ‘received’ and must fing the conditions to ‘run’ – including the conditions to ‘replicate’ or ‘mutate’ a variant replication. YOU are the operating system on which it runs. Vaccination allows the introduction of ‘potential hacks’ or the presence of foreign antibodies or immune suppressing conditions that show up in the process of a normal respiratory disease episode. If you have a better ‘real meaning’ for bits of RNA code in a protein wrapper that encapsulates and fits to receptor cells, then Make sure it isn’t just a grim fairy story before presuming it to be true. The term virus is equated with pathogenic causation and assigned roles that are actually in living cells interacting with such ‘information’ packets. Biologists are not limited to pathological witch-hunts and gold rushes and so have studied a symbiotic cellular intra and extra-cellular functions that are inherent to life function. Extracellular ‘viruses’ are called exosomes and are indistinguishable from presumed ‘pathogenic’ cellular debris or code-entities – that can be seen under the conditions of electron microscopy – that may well introduce artefacts as a… Read more »

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

I installed linux as a freedom respecting laternative to Windows on my PC when windows was too happy to get viruses and open itself up to control by sinister forces (remember microsoft’s GWX.exe virus?). Now how can I reinstall a freedom respecting alternative to government in my country?

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

It’s also a feature of Nature. Our bodies could completely destroy it but it’s inefficient. Better to keep a residual amount around as it exercises the immune system for free. Same with the bugs in your gut. We outsource a large part of the digestion process

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  paulm

There will be no end to it until a LOT of people speak out.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

There will be no end to it all, until Johnson and Hancock are charged with the murder of thousands of our fellow citizens. There also needs to be an international arrest warrant put out for Bill Gates.

Last edited 5 years ago by Rowan
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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Put a similar comment on John Redwoods Diary yesterday (in reply to Jeff’s comment – O/T and not fishing): – In business, many politicians, advisers, and media bosses would be on trial for gross negligence or Corporate Manslaughter. Johnson and Handcock should be on trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
Of course, it did not pass moderation, but at least Sir John gets to know what we really think.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  James Bertram

Does he? I think it is categorised as ‘the usual nutters’ or ‘shouters’ or some such.

If you investigate the way of all this you will see that legal advice is part of all of it with regards to plausible deniability.

There is a closed ranks of insiders as to recognising the law cannot be allowed to open a can of worms that would open so many other cans of worms as to undermine what is left of a system. That might account for why shifting to another system is underway – but designed so as to lock us our from the outset.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Interpol?

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Life sentances for the proponents and supporters of lockdown, absolutely justified, I think they’d even enjoy it. But the Bill Gates matter, the only thing I can think he should be arrested for is the poor quaility of his windows OS and his GWX.exe malware (see my prior post)(and that might have been afetr he gave control of the M$ corporation to others by then anyway).

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

It mutates to stay one step (or more) in front of the pack. IE: it doesn’t have to be a ‘viral’ threat, any funded and protected ‘threat’ can maintain the posture of alert and the coopting of civil defences to regulatory constraints.

Fear-threat can be flagged to ‘whatever’ but underneath involves more pervasive fear – such a fear of death, fear of rejection and exclusion, fear of imprisonment and denial or deprivation, fear of pain and fear of insanity. Also the ‘fear of the unknown’ – so called – can trump all of these – such that any of the others can become a form of escape to a lesser evil.

Whatever is Really Going On is bring fear closer to the surface of our conscious awareness. Whatever our rational views on statistics and risks – we meet the cognitive dissonance of many we know and love and it disturbs us – does it not?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  paulm

It might be too late by then.

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  paulm

I think we could end up with [b]variolation[/b] coming back if we can’t get an actual vaccine. In variolation one is immunised by being exposed to doses of the live virus small enough to result only in very mild infection, but one gets immunity nonetheless. That was very hard to achieve for smallpox, often the variolation dose for that serious virus was overdone and major harm resulted, so vaccination turned out to be much easier and safer for dealing with smallpox, but if the initial viral load explanations for why some people get milder or worse cases keep going the way they look to be going then it seems that for covid variolation could be a comparatiely VERY easy and safe process (are ready sooner than a vaccine). I’m not sure whether we really need to eradicate covid, it was a pretty mild disease really and seems to be naturally on its way out, but kicking the ass of that pesky bit of encapsulated RNA could be mildly satisfying (not so fun as eradicating totalitarianism though). I don’t think one can vaccinate or variolate against cases of Kim-Jong-Dan-ism, but perhaps the locals can organise, and via less snoopable channels than… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

The picture of that school assembly and description of the tyrannical new regime is just beyond sad.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Child abuse.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Absolutely. If these were my children, I would be battering down the headteacher’s door.

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Yawnyaman

Why would you even send your child into it? I don’t understand you people.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

What is happening in these schools is so wrong. Why nobody is standing up to this madness is incredible. Mass non compliance is what is needed. Massive protest. How can any parent or teacher or “learner” think this is a good idea to have these totally insane anti-human policies in place. However it says a lot about WHY we are here in this disaster now. Schools have been getting more and more authoritarian for a long time, over-reaching their remit on how they can exert their control on pupils and their families and what they seek to control. Extending their control out of school and into the family and the wider “community”. Through schools the state is seeking to have total control over everybody who has children too. The “named person” is a classic example of this over-reach. Sadly due to the way society has been shaped over the last 20 years it would seem people have been so cowed, de-moralised, so down trodden and dis-empowered, so divided and psychologically positioned that they will just blindly accept these dreadful impositions on their liberty with no push back at all. Where this has lead us is here, now. Total acquiescence to… Read more »

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

They’ll be fine with it all the way to the slaughterhouses, which will be euphemistically labelled vaccination clinics.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

The sausage grinding scene in ‘The Wall’ immediately springs to mind.

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Elena
Elena
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

You know what I’m doing? I’ve got a secondary school at the end of my road. I’m putting stickers on the way to try and get them thinking. Not much but we weren’t many at the beginning of this, and look at us now

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Adam Robson
Adam Robson
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I’m the parent from Merseyside. I agree that the schools have been over reaching and becoming more authoritarian for years. Lockdown has been eye opening as I’ve got to see what they’ve been “learning”. Last year they had to write an essay in history about why Prof Nial Ferguson is an apologist for white supremacy.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam Robson

Not to be confused with Niel Ferguson supposed epidemic guru but really fraudster.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam Robson

That’s a lot worse than making them wear masks. Seriously – how long will it take for them to unlearn that sort of indoctrination? And how many will?

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

You’re pushing it a bit with your North Korean comparison. (Get a grip – and take a look at a book called Escape from Camp 14.)

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Suzyv
Suzyv
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I got stuck in a traffic jam in central Lewes today, a small town in East Sussex. A line of young school kids walked past me. They only looked like 10 year olds at the most. Obviously on some kind of school trip walking along the pavement, a teacher in the lead. Every single one in a mask, heads down marching along. I wanted to wind down my window and shout at the teacher “child abuse” but didn’t. Didn’t want to scare the poor kids. And this is outside on a pavement.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

They only start to go back around here tomorrow (Friday) so I expect to see similar scenes then. I’ve shown that Assembly pic from Toby’s piece to parents and non parents, the horrified reaction is the same.

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Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It is downright scary that this is happening in the UK today.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Today when I was out walking I passed a throng of young students (mid-teens I would guess) – all wearing masks. (This wasn’t the UK, BTW.)

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

On a lighter note, Wednesday ITV, Phillip Schofield & Holly Willoughby demonstrated how to smooch in the New Normal way.
From either side of a polythene blanket with handy ‘arms’ of the sort used to handle uranium.

h/t youtuber Carl Vernon

not to be confused with Vernon Coleman.
Perhaps someone more skilled than I could post the link.

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2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GGIbqoQRE

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Thank you 2 pence

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

To post a video link here, right-click on the video and choose “Copy video URL”, which copies the link to your clipboard. Then use Ctrl-V (Cmd-V on a Mac) to add the link to your comment.

/geekmode off

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Thanks but I’m Android only.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

high light the link – ctrl C to copy – ctrl V to paste

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It’s not a lighter note. I could only watch two seconds of those masked fools, before I switched off, sick to my stomach. Those two are collaborators.

Nothing is forgotten. Nothing.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I thought they might have been mocking the whole foolish charade, somewhat like time I got my unnecessary line manager to present a report to the Board stating that 32% of our customers were ‘adequately facilitated’.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I hope so. I literally couldn’t watch past those masks in the opening scene. I think I’m developing a phobia of masks (which I’ve just learned is called, boringly, Maskaphobia).

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Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I know I am.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I have developed Muzzleitis from constantly having to look away from the face-less hordes…pains in my neck and tension headaches

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The only thing those clowns were mocking is us the general public , they are to stupid and full of their own self importance to realise they have become an irrelevance

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

I don’t watch TV ever and came across that vid because I sub Carl Vernon.

The whole thing looked so absurd that I assumed they were being ironic but it seems from comments from you and others that this is their usual form.

I stand corrected.

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Alison9
Alison9
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

For a brief moment there I thought you were accusing Vernon Coleman and Carl Vernon of being collaborators!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Never forget.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This “episode” of GMB with Freeky Phil and that other decorative idiot really does highlight how main stream media is absolute POISON. It goes without saying that I haven’t watched rubbish like this for the last 20 years.

It’s beyond me why people watch this crap.

However sadly many people lap it up. WHY?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Lowest common denominator fodder.

“Bad taste is popular” (Pevsner)

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Bill Gates sais that he talks with Dr Fauci all the time. Hmm?

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
5 years ago

Sex in the new “abnormal.” Sounds like great fun, eh?

Canada’s top doctor shares guidance on sexual interactions during the pandemic
In a statement released on Wednesday, Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada’s chief public health officer, admitted that “sex can be complicated in the time of COVID-19,” particularly when ones sexual partner is not in the same household.

“If you choose to engage in an in-person sexual encounter with someone outside of your household or close contacts bubble, there are some steps you can take to reduce your risk,” the statement reads. “The most important step is to establish a trusting relationship with your sexual partner.”

Dr. Tam outlined a number of rules to follow, which include monitoring yourself for symptoms before engaging in sexual activity, “skipping kissing” and avoiding closeness, and the considering wearing a mask that covers the nose and mouth.

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BobT
BobT
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Sorry girls, no cunnilingus anymore. kissing and foreplay gone. At least if you are in different households you can get your own rocks off.
What planet are these people on?

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

“Current evidence indicates there is a very low likelihood of contracting the novel coronavirus through semen or vaginal fluids,” Dr. Tam said in the statement.

I’ll take that to mean oral sex is still OK! If I didn’t laugh, I’d cry. When is this shit going to end???

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BobT
BobT
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

No, semen and vaginal fluids are OK but not kissing or anything else in the new normal.
You need to watch the Handmaids Tale to understand.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Yes, let’s laugh. Surely NOBODY can be taking this kind of thing seriously. Let’s laugh until our solar plexuses hurt and we fall over helplessly and lie prone on the carpet drumming our feet and weeping with mirth.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Let’s all do it outside Downing Street …..

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The most disturbing thing is that it seems the only cazy demsonstration outside Donwing Street ever to get listened to was when in March a bunch of moron showed up in mock HazMat suits with demands of “shut down the country”, a few days later the idiot in chief actually did it.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

She is a piece of work no doubt. I’ll surely continue to seek out government advice on all my other human needs and bodily functions. I wonder, are there gov’t guidelines for dropping a deuce safely in Canada?

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

You do know that the toilet water “plume” is dangerous, right? This is why public washrooms are such a public health hazard and every other public toilet is blocked off. So yes, there are government guidelines for everything now.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

It’s fine to drop a “Douglass Hurd” as long as you wear a mask and gloves, obviously.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

I gather that skintight lycra all-body suits are popular in certain circles.

While we are on the subject
“To offer close contact services such as facials…”
would not have been considered polite conversation at my parents dining table.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

I can’t helps seeing a pattern.

Countries and regions which have strong Chinese ties and influence seem to be more extreme in their corona response.

Most east Asian countries are implementing very hard zero case policies. And the “Anglosphere” areas that seem most committed to this – Australia, Canada, California are all areas with very very strong Chinese links.

Just an observation.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

How much money does Black Lives Matter have? It looks like a lot.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

On the American side it’s tens of millions at least. (See Accuracy in Media’s Roots of Black Lives Matters, 2016 I think.)

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

China has had twitter bots making up comments in supprot of lockdownist leaders, they’ve been especially vocal in standing with Kim Jong Dan (one wonders if Chinese bots might be his ONLY supporters). it is plausible that they saw a mild virus crossing to humans in Wuhan and thought, “right, we’ll have a heavily reported panic about this in the city where it starts, scare the west and get them to destroy their economoies in the process”. Note that throughout the rest of China the spread has, to my knowledge, been largely downplayed and ignored, China couldn’t take the economic cost of staging the panic response anyweher except one province (and didn’t need any wider a stage to get the west falling in to the trap).

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

This advice isn’t going to affect the birth rate at all is it.
(Which is already at a level where there aren’t enough people having children to replace those that are dying in almost ALL Western Countries).

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Genetic selection – the intelligent ones are so busy paying off student loans, establishing careers and trying to put a decent roof over their heads, that they leave procreation till last.
They often work long hours, have long commutes and are pretty tired by the end of the day …..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

There is definitely something non-human about chief public health officers!

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

The problem with fast-tracking vaccines It can have disastrous effects – even if the jabs work PART 2 The decision made its way through various levels of government bureaucracy and ultimately landed on the desk of President Gerald Ford. He was soon persuaded by those who favoured an immediate effort to vaccinate every man, woman and child. Flanked by the discoverers of the polio vaccine, Ford recalled the 1918 pandemic. ‘Some older Americans today will remember that 548,000 people died in this country during that tragic period,’ he said. ‘Let me state clearly at this time: no one knows exactly how serious this threat could be. Nevertheless, we cannot afford to take a chance with the health of our nation.’ The public health experts who had advised a more cautious approach did not do so for want of an effective vaccine. They did so because of the backlash that might occur when millions of people received it. Dr Hans Neumann from the New Haven Department of Health noted that, based on the projected scale of the immunisations, about 2,300 people would have a stroke within two days of getting a flu shot and 7,000 would have a heart attack. ‘Why?’… Read more »

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

Jeremy Brown The problem with fast-tracking vaccines PART 1 It can have disastrous effects – even if the jabs work From magazine issue: 5 September 2020 Y ou have to admit it, Operation Warp Speed is a good moniker. It’s the name for the American interagency programme, initiated by the Trump administration, to produce 300 million doses of a safe vaccine for Covid-19 by January. Who couldn’t get behind this all-hands national effort to defeat the virus and end the pandemic, excitingly named after the faster-than-light space travel in Star Trek? While we wait for clinical trials led by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca in the UK, America warps ahead. Warp speed allows the Starship Enterprise to put aside the laws of physics. Vaccine development also has its own laws, or rather guides, that describe the way things usually happen. There are the four to six years of academic and lab research, followed by perhaps another three to five of human trials. These culminate in a Phase Three trial when the candidate vaccine is tested on thousands of people. Add several more years to gain approval from regulatory authorities and to build manufacturing plants, and you have a process that… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Very interesting article but with the press putting a halt to the vaccine programme rather than hysterically demanding it.

At least one stage of the testing can be speeded up as hoards of mask zealots demand to be given the thing.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The rushed swine flu vaccine of 2009/10 was found to be dangerous and quietly it had to be totally withdrawn. The difference between now and 1976 is that Bill Gates, eugenicist and advocate of global depopulation, wasn’t running the show. A vaccine from Bill, no thank you.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

I have been watching some footage from Australia. It’s Nazi Germany revisited. A policeman strangling a woman resisting arrest then throwing her down on the pavement. That’s terrorism, sanctioned by the government. What the fuck is going on?

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

‘It’s fear-mongering’: Pregnant woman arrested over anti-lockdown FB post speaks out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSLeIhYmUU

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

“I’m too scared to protest now”

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Why is it only one state in Oz – Victoria? What is the attitude of the other states? What is the difference politically between Victoria and the other states? I didn’t realise each state was semi-autonomous, like the US states.

Out of interest, can anyone here give a summary on the political situation in Australia, before and during this ‘crisis’?

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Each of the states has to some extent gone its own way. Western Australia has closed its border to all other parts of the country. Victorians cannot currently travel to other parts of Australia. The other states all have varying travel restrictions and quarantines vis a vis other parts of the country. Victoria is where nearly all the virus action is. New South Wales has a slow trickle of cases – about 20 new cases a day – and after an initial lockdown is now trying to avoid more lockdowns by doing contact tracing, closing specific venues and schools when cases are found etc as well as continuing restrictions on gathering sizes and household isolation of cases. NSW have seen the economic damage in Victoria (as well as their own state) and are trying to keep normal life going. The rest of Australia hasn’t had many cases at all and presumably will have to go through a surge at some point. Hopefully the rest of the states will avoid the appalling drastic actions taken by Victoria. The Federal government is trying to get the states to remove their internal travel restrictions. It is reducing the generous benefit and wage subsidies… Read more »

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Cheers Sally.

What is it about Victoria (politically, socially, or whatever) that makes its reaction so radically different from New South Wales, do you think?

Glad that New South Wales is reacting a bit more sensibly (I’ve got distant relatives there).

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Victoria has a Labor (left) government, NSW Liberal (conservative, or nominally so). But I think the main reason is just timing. Both Victoria and NSW initially had lockdowns; Victoria’s was slightly stricter, but not much. Victoria just happened to have a fresh surge of cases first and they reacted with a second, tougher lockdown. Had that surge occurred in NSW and not Victoria NSW could well have done what Victoria is now doing. But as things turned out, NSW and other parts of Australia are witnessing the economic problems resulting from Victoria’s response and hopefully the other states will follow NSW’s more moderate approach when cases resume (which must be inevitable).

Maybe there’s a personality factor, too. The Victorian state Premier is an arrogant and probably corrupt man who clearly enjoys wielding power. The NSW Premier seems to be a more moderate person, although I don’t know a great deal about her.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

“The Victorian state Premier is an arrogant and probably corrupt man”

He’s  likely a  friend of Bill Gates.  

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Girl down Under
Girl down Under
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

For the first time in a long, long time Channel 7 news tonight didn’t headline with Coronavirus numbers or stories. Even the rhetoric from the NSW premier sounded more positive. She had a polite conversation with the QLD premier today about opening the border. Anastacia won’t budge though, her health adviser stating until NSW has ‘zero cases over a 28 day period’ opening the border won’t be considered.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

They are inducing fear and seeing how far they can go.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

It feels as though each country is it’s own study into human lockdown oppression behaviours.

Genuine question, why isn’t the UK seeing identical treatment as Victoria/Austraila?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Different things are being tried in different countries. Those things that work best will become universal. We are, almost needless to say, in very deep trouble. We are now entering a time of rapid depopulation and vaccines will the main tools that will bring this about.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

They are all using the same stencil, just for some it slipped a bit.

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Any evil conspirator who is taking over the world does NOT have giving out a vaccine as his end game. Vaccines work mostly, sometimes don’t and very ocasionally cause some side-effects. They are not some magic super-weapon against humanity. Anyone with an evil conspiracy in the works is going to be a lot more inetrested in contact tracing, lockdowns and cashless payments. Such a conspirator need only get rid of cash and then fiddle with accounts so as to starve a large proportion of the population to achieve depopulation. I have no fear of any vaccine that gets produced for covid, it might even work, if one is ever produced. What I worry about is what sort of administrative effort might use the vaccine as a cover “we need to know who you are and where you are at all times because we wouldn’t want to waste any vaccine by giving it to you twice”/ “we are vaccinating town by town, so we can be sure it has been given to everyone no-one may travel until your town has had it, your town is in the queue for a V day 3 decades hence”.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

It appears that the Australian media backs Black Lives Matter and all that other bullshit. Who is funding these media outlets? It has to be people with deep pockets because this is happening all over the world simultaneously. George Soros?

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Liberal funders such as George Soros, Rob McKay, and other Democracy Alliance donors have given millions of dollars to groups associated with the movement, which have in total raked in over $133 million.[14] 

  1. See Richardson, Valerie. “Black Lives Matter cashes in with $100 million from liberal foundations.” The Washington Times. August 16, 2016. Accessed August 31, 2017. and Vogel, Kenneth And Wheaton, Sarah. “Major donors consider funding Black Lives Matter.” Nov. 13, 2015. Accessed Sept. 5, 2017. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/major-donors-consider-funding-black-lives-matter-215814 ^

Source:

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

33… $133

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Thanks, Mr. Dee.

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Girl down Under
Girl down Under
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Interestingly in Melbourne before Dan the Man imposed the state of emergency imprisonment of citizens, a black lives matter protest went ahead. Organisers were fined but no demonstrators were arrested or fined. Pregnant women who post on facebook anti lockdown gatherings must pose more of a dangerous threat. How people are not rioting outside parliament over this hypocrisy blows my mind.

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

However, we do have a big clue via a YouGov poll in May which revealed that 61 per cent of Conservative voters supported the first moves to lifting lockdown, compared with only 32 per cent of Labour voters.

Ross Clark

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

393 reported Covid deaths in Europe yesterday
Population: 741.4 million

SOURCE worldometers

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

Piers Corbyn, the elder brother of Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour party, was given a penalty without trial of £10,000 for his part in organising a rally in Trafalgar Square calling for the repeal of the Coronavirus Act, passed in March, which gave the government sweeping powers.

The £10,000 penalty was imposed under a statutory instrument, not passed by parliament, but brought into force on 28 August by the Health Secretary. Two organisers of a rave in West Glamorgan, attended by about 3,000 people, were also given fixed penalty notices for £10,000.

In other words the night before the protest

Source – Spectator

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Was the new ‘law’ presented to a grateful nation on twatter?

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Steeve
Steeve
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Has Jeremy said anything publicly about all this?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Piers and the othe london organisors had been in conversation for weeks with the Met Police to organise the meeting. It was organised with full knowledge of the police. Piers has said that the arresting police officers were an entirely different group of police. This is a operational device the police are said to have used in other circumstances.

Build trust by liasing genuine police with the public then switcheroo to a different team to do the dirty.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Reminds me of what the Chinese did at Tienanmen Square – brought in troops from other parts of China who would be less reluctant to fire on Beijing citizens.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Edward

Which is how Franco held onto power in Spain for decades, the Guarda Civil were always stationed away from their home region.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The go-ahead was negotiated well before the suspiciously last-minute SI.

Wankock is enjoying these last minute destruction tactics far too much!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Wancock will soon be eating crow, along with some humble pie. Hopefully in a jail cell.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Yep, that’s what Piers Corbyn said on Richie Allen yesterday. The old switcheroo. Basically, they would look all of us to do the dirty to keep their hands clean. Like Pontius Pilate.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Oops, typographical error.
Yep, that’s what Piers Corbyn said on Richie Allen yesterday. The old switcheroo. Basically, they would like (look) all of us to do the dirty to keep their hands clean. Like Pontius Pilate.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

The human brain is a wonderful thing Richard, mine read ‘like’ the first time without noticing.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Does anyone have a good place to get testing stats from? I used to get mine from here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing but it has not been updated for a few days. I’ve emailed them about that but no response yet.

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Steeve
Steeve
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Absolutely No Idea! 77th Brigade?

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MRG
MRG
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’ve noticed the same: stops on 26 Aug at 186,500 as shown on the main webpage. Is it a ploy to stop us adding to our spreadsheets (well, mine) and checking the ratio of positives to tests?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  MRG

Current up to yesterday. The update at 4pm:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing

Yesterday:
186,500 tests UK
1,508 positive.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

They’re just grasping at straws. They’re straw men for the global elite.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Do you mean the area map? By the time it’s updated, it’s way out of date.
Goes up to the 29th at the moment: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=47574f7a6e454dc6a42c5f6912ed7076

Daily total numbers are here, but only area specific re whole local authority, rather than individual wards: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

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MRG
MRG
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Julian, I’ve noticed down the page a bit in
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
regarding tests by Pillar, they’ve added the Scotland and Northern Ireland test numbers from 27 August, but not England and Wales.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

I have grown somewhat accustomed to extremely depressing stories posted every day on this website, but I must admit to being particularly strongly affected by the reprehensible and depraved treatments that are being meted out to children in schools and students at universities. It is probably a fair assumption that the UK and USA stories here are far from unique worldwide.

Given the wealth of evidence that exists regarding the virtually non-existent threat of this virus to young people, and that they are not transmitters, the damage that is being done to them is nothing short of a cold, calculated, deliberate act of psychopathy to bludgeon an entire generation into total submission with crude intimidation and terror tactics. They are trying to create the slave class of tomorrow.

The adults who are directly responsible for allowing this to happen – and I include in this parents who wilfully submit their children to these daily punishments without protest – are not worthy of being called human.

A society that treats its youngest generations in this way is literally Satanic. Hell on earth awaits all of us if this is not turned around.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

With you there. I am horrified. Why is the country not up in arms about this? It’s despicable

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Totally agree. I am resolved more than ever to fight this head on. If anyone gets in my face about not wearing a mask I will give them both barrels, and then some.

We are in desperate trouble here. To support this, or to submit to any of it without protest, is an act of evil, and makes that person themselves evil.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’ve already barrelled off two emails to my daughter’s drippy headteacher about proposed ‘safety’ arrangements.

I’m going to be Public Enemy No 1 on Monday when I take her to school for her first day…

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

About to do exactly the same. Mrs TJN and I are expected to wear muzzles when dropping our 4-year-old for her first day at school on Monday. The staff aren’t going to like us after receiving our views on that obscenity.

Makes me feel physically sick, literally.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Just drafted an appalling email to the headmaster – will wait on Mrs TJN’s view before sending.

It is an awful shame that our daughter has to start school under a cloud like this, but we’re not putting up with this shit.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Get it sent.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Mrs TJN has just gone over it and made it even stronger. They are going to hate us, but so what.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

My Lord TJN,

Let them hate, so long as they fear.

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Unfortunately the coronanists love being in fear, their very pride is in showing that “my fear is stronegr than your fear”, “I’m more chicken about covid than you are”. The coronanists don’t need to be put in any more fear, they can make for themselves more than enough to wallow in. They need to be given an education, brought OUT of fear. In your encounters with zealots always remember that our victory condition is when they stop fearing the virus, not when they shit themselves in public (which I suspect some already do as a virtue signalling ritual). When they hate you, make sure you’ve worded things so they’ll build up a little hate for the fools that caued the lockdown too.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Let us know how it goes. If you get any serious push back, let us know on here. I’m sure the sceptic community will be more than happy to bombard her with emails telling her to back off.

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Cbird
Cbird
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

You’re not alone – here’s a mum from Twynham School speaking to Anna Brees

https://youtu.be/VSoItpGcSxI

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

Here’s some useful advice from the comments:

…. please send the teachers a letter of liability for any adverse health affects caused by mask wearing for enforcing mask wearing on your child. This will be for respiratory problems, anxiety/ distress and facial rashes from using face masks and that they will personally held liable. I have done this for my son going to his primary school this term.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Good.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I shall be thinking of you and praying for your total metaphorical destruction of your daughter’s enemy.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’ve should that school assembly photo to three people this morning, all were equally horrified.
Perhaps more of this will make the worm turn.

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snippet
snippet
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Does anyone know what children’s charities are doing about this? This needs a series of Group Litigation Orders against the local authorities or academies, so that parents can join forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_Litigation_Order

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NappyFace
NappyFace
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well said.

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

The science behind masks is as flimsy as my see-through scarf
By
The Red Wall Rebel
–
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/the-science-behind-masks-is-as-flimsy-as-my-see-through-scarf/

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

That was a great article. Thanks for sharing.

My favourite bit (for me, its pertinent to the 90s and early 2000s, when I dressed in full-on top-hat and tails Goth mode):

“I don’t object to wearing ridiculous things in public (as is obvious to anyone who’s seen pictures of me from the 1980s), I just object to wearing them for no reason.”

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Most people seem to be happy generating a festering cesspool of pathogens right under their noses.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

On the odd occasion I use a fizhog covering I use a very see-through hair scarfe – it’s as much use as anything else.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

The psychology, however, is rock solid!

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago

FROM A TWO WEEK LOCKDOWN TO MANDATORY VACCINATION
https://www.bitchute.com/video/e7E0drlaIgZB/

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

Child mortalityA study of 260 hospitals revealed that just six under-19s had died of Covid-19, all of them with severe pre-existing conditions. What were the leading causes of death in the 1,633 children (aged 28 days to 15 years) who died in 2018?
Congenital abnormalities | 271
Cancer | 253
External causes (accidents, violence) | 170
Diseases of the nervous system | 134
Respiratory disease | 121
Circulatory disorders | 96
Endocrine, nutritional disorders | 92
Infectious and parasitic diseases | 82
Source: ONS

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Not “died of Covid 19” It is “died with covid 10”
But otherwise a useful comparison to show context

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago

“The Role of Masks in Pop CultureMany films and TV shows and even Broadway plays exploit the fear of masks. For example, the popular Halloween series focuses on a serial killer hidden behind a mask. The Phantom of the Opera explores the fate of a disfigured musical genius who wears a mask to conceal the horror.

These and other works both demonstrate the effects of maskaphobia and help to create it. After growing up with the images of stalking serial killers and disfigured anti-heroes lurking behind masks, is it any surprise that our brains naturally begin to wonder what is behind any mask that we see?”

https://www.verywellmind.com/maskaphobia-or-fear-of-masks-2671868

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago

In regards to the Fourth Industrial Revolution, are we the, on this site, the New Luddites?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Its an interesting thought.

Were the Luddites awash in a sea of lies and oppression?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

They were skilled artisans who saw their autonomy was being taken away, resulting in loss of quality of life for the profit of a few exploitative individuals.

Luddites were originally self-employed in successful family businesses, living in decent housing.
This was replaced by back-to-back slums and slave wages.

Rather like outsourcing our industry to China and being dependent on food banks …..

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ikaraki
ikaraki
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Well my current favourite process is oxy-fuel cutting…

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Probably – after all, the Luddites were right.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Reading the updates about schools has led me to conclude that I’m glad I’m no longer of school age. The rules being implemented are draconian and in the case of universities akin to Dachau or Solzehnitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago.

I feel sorry for children whose mental health will take a battering and who will be paying for this for the rest of their lives and those at university. What should have been their first steps towards independence from the parental home has now been stymied and they’re treated like prisoners especially by the institutions who were supposed to help them take those first steps. I foresee a spike in suicides, drug and alcohol addiction.

We should never forgive nor forget this damage caused to our young. And I won’t blame them if they never forgive and forget their elders for their betrayal.

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Gillian
Gillian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes. Never forget that today’s young adults and children will be the care home managers and carer workers who will be making sure that we are looked after and not left to die in pain and distress in our old age. Or maybe they won’t care because we didn’t care for them when they needed it most.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Exactly. That’s another thing today’s adults should be careful of, today’s students who will be the adults and tax payers of tomorrow can exact their revenge in hundreds of petty ways such as care homes and milking them for all their worth until the pips squeak.

Parents, teachers and those in charge of schools, colleges and universities – you have been warned.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Pre Covid I overheard a conversation between 3 young women embarking on a girlie weekend away. One told her friends
“Beth’s a bit upset but I did (…..) to calm her down. But when I went into Jacks room he just said I was in the way of his X Box, I said goodbye but he just said wotever didn’t even look up”.
This was greeted with uncertain titters
‘Boys will be boys Fran !’

I thought that’s Jack getting his psych back on you Fran for staring at your phone since he was born and not giving him the attention he deserved.

Dread to think where he will dump her when the time comes.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I was saddened to see a dear, wonderful young toddler pick up his mother’s phone and show the back of it to her. It suddenly dawned on me that he was trying to greet her in the way that he has been “greeted” all his little life, that is to say all he has ever known is people photographing him instead of talking to him or cuddling him. He thought that showing your phone to someone was the same as saying “Hello”.

Very sad indeed.

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Fiat
Fiat
5 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Yes. Be nice to your children because one day they will choose your care home.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

There has already been an increase in teenage suicide. Todays Local Live lead story is typical.

“Body found on beach is teenage boy, Police say the death is not suspicious”

Which is how suicides have been reported since March 23rd. They never use the S word but articles are often accompanied by an ad for The Samaritans.

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think it was one of the US states which gave honest statistics, five tiems as many deaths among the young to suicide as death among all to covid. Lockdown is MURDER.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Lady in front of me at the newsagent. She has her Top pulled over her face and explains to the unmasked shop worker.

“My daughter starts high school today but she lost her mask so I lent her mine. . .”
Said shopworker smiled sympathetically

Last edited 5 years ago by karenovirus
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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I remember losing mittens a lot as a kid (younger than 11, it has to be said). Presumably kids will have to keep their masks on strings, threaded through their shirts.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Elasticated of course, but there wasn’t a lot of harm done swapping mittens if needs must.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I wonder how many masks will be lost before the end of the week. Hopefully this nonsense will be impossible for schools to police and will rapidly evaporate.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Isn’t it wonderful to see how people adapt …

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Albie
Albie
5 years ago

Those 2 graphs in Will’s opening article would be ideal for placing next to each other on social media with no comment needed. They are easy to immediately read, not bogged down with statistical text that can be offputting to some, and will help the “undecided” who I feel form the majority, see there is no cause for concern, and people like Hancock who they see on the news are being alarmist.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago

I think it is personally unfair to describe anyone ‘a crank’, using it as a blanket term to discredit anything they say. Cornyn has made valid arguments for leaving the EU, and frankly if last year someone had predicted the stae of affirs now, especially in schools, they would have been denounced as cranks.
I will also challenge the statement that the majority of people at the protest had disgusting views, since when was opposing the march of authoritarianism, ironically the point of this barrister’s argument, disgusting. If he is referring to the supposed flag, I think this may have been a stunt to discredit the rally, and seems to be doing the trick.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Excuse the typos, need to check where the edit button is.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

The smear campaign against the protests is as predictable as it is foolhardy.

All those who castigate anyone who questions the mainstream narrative will be finding out very soon that they were gravely mistaken. They will richly deserve hell on earth for the rest of their lives.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

.

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Corbyn did something valuable and forced the issue into a court. It’s called getting into the arena, and I don’t see the people who are now making a living out of reporting from an anti-lockdown position doing anything like it. You will note that Dolan, who is effectively doing something very similar to Corbyn, doesn’t treat him like this Judas goat media does.

The Trafalgar Square Turd

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago

I’m still waiting for the first wave. Don’t know about anyone else but i don’t believe their tests. How anyone can believe the results of these tests when it’s known that they show positive results for fruit and goats is beyond me. I used to think they were incompetent and this whole debacle is just them being as useless but i’ve changed my mind and i believe we are in the final stages of losing a war. The Queen is no longer Sovereign, Parliament is making it’s own laws and we the people are no longer under common law. All these people in Parliament want to check themselves because as it stands they are traitors and deserve a spell in the tower. Smiling tits like Hancock and Al Johnston’s Billy Bunter routine aren’t fooling me. We all spend each day posting here hoping for a sign that things will get better and we’ll be “allowed” to go back to normal life but they’re not gonna “allow” that. I do believe we will have to take back Parliament by force. I do believe that there will be real blood spilled on the streets of this country. It will be the blood… Read more »

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

You mention parliament makiñg its own laws, trouble is this is what isn’t happening. Thanks to the coronavirus bill, government , the likes of Hancock et al, are passing diktats without parliamentary scrutiny, and making them laws are far as by definition they can be enforced by the police.
But where are our MPs, sat hiding on zoom, dare not criticise for fear of losing their precious job. I emailed my MP 7 times with no response over the first 4 months of this, had to print off the emails and send them by registered post, with the cut up membership card before I got a response. He then asked me to provide any evidence I had contradicting the efficacy of masks. I actually think he wasn’t aware there was evidence discrediting the mask argument. Which brings me to the point of saturating our MPs with emails etc., demanding their lack of intervention and calling our government to account regarding the growing authoritarianism, in particular removing this coronavirus bill, when it comes up for review in September. Funny enough, whenever I make this last statement in the DT comments, it gets deleted.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

We live in a dictatorship. Where are the people in parliament standing up and saying this is illegal? They are all in it together. The deep state is everyfuckignwhere. Boris has assumed the role of King and the Queens in the social justice lefty parties have open up their asses and let Boris shoot his muck into them. Every lefty tool out there now is a supporter of a dictatorship, every wanker who supports masks and lockdowns and the abuse of our children must be stopped. I look forward to it. I hope it will be like some kind of 80’s film and i can be John Rambo

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

This left-right/tory-labour divide is counter-productive. We need to fight this totalitarian ‘government’ together’.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Cannot agree more with your statement. (Don’t know what the F***book link said thugh, I don’t touch SuckerBorg’s site with a barge pole).

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

On the subject of the Queen – not seen or heard from her at all and read rumours that she has been somehow officially ‘usurped’? is this true?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Yes until there is a vaccine the Queen will NOT be seen in public. That was an official statement from The Reptile House

Last edited 5 years ago by Two-Six
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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Interesting, where did you read that?
She did knight Sir Tom Whatsit, the one who raised a shedload of money for the NHS…

Last edited 5 years ago by Carrie
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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

It was a headline in the DM I think, around April.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

The queen won’t accept a vaccine. She has the sense to use homeopathics.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

That doesn’t stop Charles or William from making an appearance does it?

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

What would happen now if she died? socially distanced Royal Funeral?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I wondered if she’d been cancelled.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

My MP must be thick as mince as she refutes anything I say. I’ve now started attaching links to my emails but she doesn’t bother responding. My taxes help pay her salary and I’m bloody angry I have no representation in Parliament!

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Jan81
Jan81
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

One MP here in N Ireland questioned the false Covid related death certificates but the footage of him doing so have since disappeared and I dont know what happened after that.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Don’t look at tests then. Look at deaths above baseline and ignore coronavirus stats entirely. There’s still a wave. Unless you think they’re inventing deaths?

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Eh? Don’t understand what you’re arguing.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Biker said they are still waiting for the first wave, because he doesn’t trust their tests. I’m arguing it’s already happened, and you don’t need to look at coronavirus test results to see it. Just look at deaths above baseline. Pretty simple.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Oh I see – you mean deaths back in the spring. Think I get it now, so upvoted. Thanks.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

A spell in the Tower? Stand ’em against a wall, more like. Bags first go with the AK-47.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Personally I don’t support capitol punishment. It’s beyond evil for the state to take a life. A horror show.

If any of you lot here saw a person being put against a wall and shot or hanged it would traumatise you irreparably for the rest of your life unless you were a psychopath.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Then I must be a psychopath because I want these traitors to receive the ultimate penalty for all the misery they have caused.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

No, long and slow would be much more appropriate.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Make them live a few years in Greta Thunberg’s Green Paradise. That might cure them.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Life in the Stocks outside Paddington Station, masked.

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PreJennerAgain
PreJennerAgain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

One should make the punishment fit the crime, hence there is no need for violence. Just let the lockdown zealots spend life locked away “for their own good”. And soon we’ll decide to cut off their zoom calls, “for their own good, someone may express a rude opinion to you over one”, and stop them getting banana bread ingreidents “for their own good, you might cut yourself with the mixing bowl”, and let them do nothing but stare at four empty padded walls and eat a daily ration of tasteless nutrition designed to do nothing but keep them alive “for their own good, you might sufocate on proper food or drink”.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Just to annoy you even more Biker hancock was on the Today Programme earlier telling Nick.
“We’re not quite there with the testing but The Cavalry is on its way the vaccine’s not here yet but soon will be.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY58inWev0E
Cavalry charge music.

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