Follow The Covid Rules Or Get Kicked Out, Cambridge Tells Students

Students at a Cambridge college have received a coronavirus “Community Statement” that they must sign and adhere to or risk being ejected from college accommodation. Lockdown Sceptics has seen the draconian rules issued by Trinity College to its students and it’s a shocker. It states:
You are required to sign this statement and adhere to it if you would like to return to, or remain resident in, College accommodation. No accommodation for the new academic year will be allocated until you return a signed copy of this statement. The Senior Tutor and Junior Bursar can withdraw your accommodation if you breach your commitment to follow the Community Statement.
The rules, sorry, I mean “community guidelines”, include being prepared to move rooms or leave at “very short notice”, rigorous cleaning duties, no visitors, being limited to the bare minimum of possessions for “basic living standards”, and a requirement to store in your room “three days’ supply of non-perishable food for use in the event of a lockdown”. Parties are “likely to be deemed a grave breach”. The rules can change at any point. (The Guardian also has the story.)
It is left entirely up to academic supervisors whether they will teach their students in person, leaving many at risk of a substandard education. As one university lecturer told us: “I have been at the receiving end of online teaching, and it is absolutely not as good as the real thing. Even in a small group you lose the immediacy, your attention drifts, and your tutor loses the body language necessary to get a feel of how you are responding to the instruction.”
New students were told before term began that they cannot defer their place if this is not to their liking. It’s our way or the highway at Trinity College, Cambridge. The college which, over the course of its history, has won more Nobel Prizes than France and Belgium combined has turned into a citadel of unscientific, hysterical group think. Perhaps it’s because the new Master is Sally Davies, the former Chief Medical Officer.
Treating young people in this way is cruel. Dressing it up as a “Community Statement” which “represents a commitment” by students – a commitment they had no choice about whether to make – is Orwellian doublespeak. If they don’t make this supposedly voluntary “commitment”, they lose their place at Cambridge.
We are used to “Generation Snowflake” complaining of micro-aggressions and wanting safe spaces and trigger warnings – fatuous nonsense, which is nonetheless frequently indulged by university authorities. Yet here we have a genuine example of oppressive treatment likely to cause harm to students’ well-being and mental health that’s due to the snowflakery of the grown ups. All in the name of protecting people from this “deadly” virus. Yet a recent analysis by Professor David Spiegelhalter in the BMJ has shown that the risk to people under 35 is almost zero.

All these rules and restrictions are in place for the benefit of much, much older people suffering from co-morbidities, in other words. What a dreadful burden to impose on the young, who have already had their education disrupted, their exams cancelled and been put through an A-Level grades fiasco which left many of them unsure whether they’d get a place at university until the last minute.
Students are informed at the end of the Statement that the College has “a Mental Health and Wellbeing Advisor as well as a Counsellor”. They’re going to need them.
Boris Needs to Look Again at the Facts About Covid

Too many people still assume that lockdown is the only thing that stood between us and Armageddon, and that restrictions of varying severity must continue until there is a vaccine or a cure. But is that what the evidence tells us? I wrote a piece for the Spectator yesterday making the case that Boris and the Government need to look again.
To get to the truth of what is happening – and to work out the approach we need to take – we need a control, something to show what happens when things are done differently. Peru offers one possible example: it has one of the world’s strictest lockdowns, yet also the world’s highest official death toll, at a rate of 929 per million. We also have Sweden, which favoured a light-touch approach; there has been no new big rise in cases or deaths and the country’s economy is getting back on its feet.
Critics point out that Sweden fared significantly worse than its Nordic neighbours, with 578 deaths per million, compared to Denmark’s 109 and Finland’s 61. However, Sweden, which never took on the burden of indefinite suppression, is now in a much stronger position to contemplate a return to normal life.
What’s more, an international comparison in the Lancet in July offered little conclusive evidence connecting the timing and strictness of lockdown in a country and the COVID-19 death rate. Yet still our leaders insist that wide-ranging restrictions on social and economic life are the best way to respond to this threat.
The public can be forgiven for overestimating the severity of the virus, having been subjected to a barrage of terror for the past six months. But the government and its advisers have no excuse. They ought to have twigged by now that, for most people, the threat has been overegged and the response to it far out of proportion to the danger it poses. Being able to step back and reappraise evidence and change direction in light of that – and then, crucially, bringing the public along with you – is an essential characteristic of a good leader and one that we are in desperate need of right now. On this count, Boris is failing badly.
Read the whole piece here.
Stop Press: The Lancet has set up a commission under economist and UN adviser Jeffrey Sachs to investigate the world’s response to the virus. Unfortunately, it begins with the assumption that lockdowns work and are necessary. Sachs told the Telegraph: “What we have learned, I think, about the public health response [to date] is that even though this is a devilish virus it is controllable. Around two billion people live in countries that have substantially suppressed the virus. They’ve been able to do that, primarily because of public health means, and especially these non-pharmaceutical interventions [extreme social distancing measures]. But if we look at the UK, the US, and western Europe, we failed to put such policies in place basically until now. In the US we still don’t have an effective control system.” Only just put social distancing in place now? What is this guy smoking? And what is the point of an “investigation” into the world’s response if it takes it for granted that the thrust of that response – to indiscriminately quarantine entire populations, the healthy as well as the sick – was correct before it’s concluded? Seems to be yet more self-justifying delusion from the global elites who got us into this mess.
Naked Scientist Sees the Light

Dr Chris Smith, a virologist at Cambridge and known on TV and radio as the “Naked Scientist”, has been a regular on BBC Radio 5 live throughout the pandemic, co-hosting “Commonsense coronavirus call-in” on Saturday afternoons with Colin Murray. At the start of the outbreak on March 12th he was among the doomsayers, predicting 50-100 million deaths worldwide (the current total is around 943,000). Now, however, he seems to have changed his tune. Discussing an interview with Lord Sumption that had occurred on the station earlier in the morning, he appears to go a long way in agreeing with the former judge. A reader has transcribed the exchange for us:
Dr Chris: What he’s [Lord Sumption] basically saying is that it’s unsustainable to carry on the way we are, because if we do we won’t have an economy to prop up the standard of living to which we’ve all become accustomed, and I think that is true; we do have to come up with a solution soon. The difference between March, when we didn’t know much about this outbreak and now, is that we do know a lot more about it. We know who is susceptible, we know how to stop it, and we know what we need to do to stop it, and I think therefore we do need to adjust. Rather than regard this as a blunderbuss thing, we just lock the country down, and I do agree with him completely that it is an absurd notion to think we just suppress the virus by keeping everyone under lock and key. That’s just not going to be possible, so we do have to have an alternative.
It’s clear there is not going to be a vaccine any time soon. We’re talking perhaps six months away still at the earliest before we’re properly in a position to move on this, and we don’t even know if we do get a vaccine that it will work, so we do need a Plan B. Perhaps that Plan B ought to be that, because we know who’s most at risk, we do our utmost to protect those people who are most at risk, and we afford much more flexibility and freedom to people, at their discretion of course, to go about their business as they see fit, so that we have done the most we can to protect the people we know are most at risk, and support the people who want to go out and about and do their own thing, and that to me seems like a reasonable compromise given what we now know about this virus.
Presenter: So this would be shielding the most vulnerable, getting them to stay at home, and then letting the younger people go about their daily business?
Dr Chris: Well it doesn’t matter whether you’re young or old. If you’ve got an illness or some kind of problem that means you’re at high risk, then we should be doing our absolute utmost to protect you. But those people are the few in amongst the vast majority in the country who are not at high risk from this, let’s be honest. We now know a lot more about what the risk factors are, we know who we should be protecting, and we know how to protect people, and the evidence for that is that although we are seeing rising numbers of cases in the country, particularly among younger people, we’re not seeing that mirrored in the older generations quite yet, and so as a result that suggests that those people are being cautious, being careful, and those efforts are being rewarded in them by them not catching it. We mustn’t be complacent here; it may be, as people are suggesting, that we may see a filter through, with more young people’s cases turning to more older people’s cases later, and that may translate into more mortalities, but for now that isn’t the case, and perhaps we should be willing to consider it and its implications rather than immediately move towards more of the suppression approach, which all it does is kick the can down the road.
Postcard From Tanzania

Lockdown Sceptics long ago identified John Magufuli, the President of Tanzania, as one of the few world leaders to emerge from the coronavirus crisis with any credit, having rejected the advice to lock down his country because of his well-founded doubts about the false positive rate of the PCR test. As readers will recall, he ordered the army to carry out a range of tests when his doubts set in and both a goat and a papaya tested positive.
A reader, Tony Hughes, has sent us a postcard from Tanzania, where he lives, and confirms that it’s one of the few places in the world that hasn’t completely lost its mind.
Thank goodness we live in Tanzania. It may be a ‘developing’ country (GDP per capita is 40 times less than that of the UK) but in the ‘fight’ against Corona its people have retained their freedoms and liberties unlike those in many nations where these very concepts are championed as a mark of civilisation. Tanzanians – from 100 or more tribes – are among the most polite, respectful and tolerant people in the world. It is therefore unsurprising that the Government’s response has been thoughtful and balanced – despite the derision poured on it from the international media and other organisations, many with an interest in selling fear. Indeed, if the mark of a statesman is thinking of the next generation (rather than the next election), then the President’s outlook is a lesson that should be learnt by every other African and world politician.
So what sets Tanzania apart? First and foremost its current leaders understand the limitations of scientific modelling and testing, which in this pandemic so far, seems solely to have been used to produce a convenient outcome. Though much mocked at the time, Tanzania discovered very early that papaya, among other things, can return a positive Corona result. It is now, months later, amusing to see that the world is only just getting to acknowledge the problem of false positives.
This is not to say that Tanzanians have simply put their heads in the sand and ignored the virus. Everyone has a fear of the unknown. The Government’s initial public health response was decisive and quick. Right from the beginning, standard hygiene policies were introduced – even the smallest ‘duka’ (shop) provided facilities for hand sanitising, while temperature checks were made available in all larger shops, offices, hotels and other public places. Schools were also shut, team sports suspended and quarantine introduced for international arrivals – which restrictions were all lifted months ago as increasing knowledge suggests the virus is no worse than many of the diseases Tanzanians have to live with. More than this, however, its leaders know that development challenges are hard and poverty kills just as surely as any virus (though not necessarily the rich). Life expectancy is just under 65 years. The political response has therefore been great, the hopes and aspirations of ordinary Tanzanians have been put first – the median age is just 18. Though similarly mocked in the international press, this was done using language to help its deeply religious population remain aware but stop fixating on the virus, preventing the mass hysteria that had seemly affected so many in the UK and other parts of the world.
Tanzania is great place to visit, especially in these uncertain times. Want to wear a mask, socially distance or self-isolate (in some of the largest wilderness areas remaining in the world) – up to you. No one will judge or confuse you with a thousand little rules.
Big Brother’s NHS
Toby’s friend Tom Hodgkinson, who edits the Idler, has passed on a comment from his dad Neville, who worked as a medical and science journalist for British newspapers for 20 years. Neville has given us permission to republish. Hard to disagree.
From needing to protect “our NHS” (which is actually Big Brother’s NHS) from being overwhelmed we went to needing to protect ourselves against a new surge of infections brought in from other countries (ruining summer hols for many), and now as testing becomes more widespread, more “cases” are used to scare us – which are not cases at all, but positive results in healthy people with PCR testing. This finds a genetic needle in a haystack, quite possibly a signal from a previous infection with another of the 100 or so coronaviruses out there. And they have spent billions on lockdowns of proven uselessness. And millions on buying up a vaccine that doesn’t yet even exist. And yet papers like the Mirror, Guardian, Indie, etc. are baying for still more interference, including Stalinesque “snitching” on neighbours who break the entirely non evidence-based instructions. Wow! National debt now over two trillion pounds’
Spain’s “Second Wave”

Hospital admissions, ICU occupancy and deaths are up in Spain, particularly Madrid, leading to some lurid news reports adding to the growing hysteria around the dreaded ‘second wave’. The Telegraph, for example, has “Fears for Europe’s hospitals as Madrid death toll grows“, which states: “Hospitals in Europe’s COVID-19 hotpots are close to saturation point, with admissions to intensive care units increasing exponentially in cities such as Marseille and Madrid.”
So are ICU admissions really “increasing exponentially” in Madrid? Here is the graph:

Steady growth, certainly, but not exponential. In terms of being at “saturation point”, Covid patients currently occupy 22% of Madrid’s hospital beds and 8.5% nationally, so still plenty of spare capacity. The rise so far has been steady rather than steep or “exponential”.
As to deaths, although 239 deaths were announced today, they are spread over a number of recent days. This is what the chart by date of death looks like today (note that recent days will be revised upwards in future reports):

Notice how much smaller and gentler the new curve is compared to March. We don’t yet know how high it will go, but we do know it is not behaving the same as when the virus first hit.
BBC Propaganda

Longtime Lockdown Sceptics contributor Guy de la Bédoyère has been in touch to complain about the Ministry of Truth BBC.
Watched the 1pm BBC TV News today. Testing delays are the new Death Porn. They flogged the story out for 10 minutes at the top of the bulletin, doing everything conceivably possible to freak people out about a test shortage, weaving second wave references in and out, interviewing enraged test-wannabees, following the government line so slavishly they’ve managed to leave the flailing government behind unable to match testing to the extent the BBC has whipped up Second-Wave Terror. They’ve obviously all been watching Game of Thrones since the slogan du jour is “with winter approaching” (aka Winter is Coming), making it sound like twenty-feet deep snowdrifts and -40C gales are due any minute along with Monty Python ‘bring out your dead’ carts in every street.
They might as well also have shown footage of van loads of toilet paper being driven away from shops for good measure. Perhaps there is literally a newsroom textbook on how to do this. It’s all like Edwina Currie and the eggs on speed. Back in those days the BBC took a few days to destroy a whole industry – now it can crank the whole country up in hours.
You can see the entire thing spiralling out of control as a news story, accelerating, growing like a snowball, and brainwashing as many people as possible into the idea that if they so much as sneeze they have to get a Covid test at any price or die, while at the same time telling everyone the testing system is about to blow up like HMS Hood in 1941.
It’s as if the country has been consumed by a fetish for gratuitous hysteria.
What would I do if I had symptoms? As far as possible: nothing except stay at home. Who are these long-distance test hunters who drive 250 miles or more for a test? Unless they’re really essential workers, are they utterly insane? Or what is the insanity behind sending them there? Even if we assume they have the virus, how many additional people are they going to come into contact with? Still, so long as they eat constantly en route there’s no chance of putting anyone else at risk.
There’s one good quote to bear in mind – the only hope we have left:
“Hysteria takes too much energy to be maintained forever.” Mira Grant (science fiction author)
Unfortunately, the BBC seems to have plenty of energy.
Round-Up
- “Swathes of public to be refused coronavirus tests under rationing plans” – Another embarrassing disaster for the Government’s handling of Covid
- “How tragic that Coronaphobia is turning our land of liberty into a Stasi-like state” – Ross Clark adds another great piece to the Mail‘s growing tally of sceptical output
- “COVID-19 and the false positive trap” – Excellently lucid explanation of the problem of false positives by Lockdown Sceptics contributor Dr Clare Craig in the Spectator
- “China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign” – Michael Senger in the Tablet lays bare the shocking CCP social media propaganda campaign that helped send lockdown global, although our own Sue Denim says treat all reports of bot farms pumping out fake news with caution
- “Is Britain heading towards civil war?” – Asks Andrew Cadman in Conservative Woman, inspired by Douglas Murray’s comments to James Delingpole
- “We could be guinea pigs for untested vaccines” – Vlod Barchuk in Conservative Woman on the dangers of the Government’s plans to bypass key safeguards. There’s still time to respond to the consultation here
- “Are we becoming immune to the vaccine message?” – A rundown of the problems with vaccines by Dr Priyad Ariyaratnam in the Speccie
- “What Are We Waiting For?” – Another blog post by Omar S. Khan, this time wondering why people aren’t taking their freedom back
- “Patel will never make us a nation of snitchers” – Solid piece by Alice Thomson in the Times
- “Boris Johnson has six months left to save his premiership” – An optimistic forecast by Allister Heath in the Telegraph
- “Johnson’s erratic style could cost him dear” – Iain Martin in the Times senses growing discontent with the Prime Minister
- “Where’s Boris?” – Fraser Nelson expresses his doubts about Boris’s leadership in the Spectator
- “George Washington Enrolment Drops 17% in Pandemic Setback” – A sign of things to come?
- “Boris Johnson has wiped the smile from our faces” – Sean Walsh takes a philosophical look at why it’s all gone so wrong for our scientists and politicians
- “Crucial Update on the Viral Issue: a ‘Debunking the Detractors’ Special!” – Ivor Cummins responds in detail to criticism of his now famous September 8th explainer
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “We No Mingle” by Terror Fabulous.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today it’s the turn of the Pitt Rivers Museum in Oxford, which recently removed its display of shrunken heads. It issued a lengthy explanation for this, including this section in answer to the question “Were these changes in response to the Black Lives Matter movement?” (Short answer: Yes.)
At the Pitt Rivers Museum, we condemn racism in the strongest terms; we work towards becoming an anti-racist institution and stand in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. As a museum, we know it is important not to be silent and to lend whatever support we can, both to our own staff members, and to the broader communities that are impacted by institutionalised, everyday racism and other exclusionary practices. We express our solidarity and our recognition of how museums like ours, and collections like ours, cannot be separated from the ongoing violence and systemic racism happening in Oxford, in the UK, in the US, and elsewhere.
The guiding principles of our Strategic Plan state that we aim to be part of a process of redress, social healing and the mending of historically difficult relationships. We acknowledge that the Pitt Rivers Museum can be an uncomfortable place for people to visit. Addressing colonial, racist and otherwise derogatory language on labels and/or in database description, doing provenance research into the manner in which objects were taken (e.g. by the use of military violence or coercion) and, where requested, taking objects off display or enabling the return of objects to originating communities are all integral to that process.
We aim to be a place of listening to and learning from stakeholders and we want to be an inclusive, reflexive and thought-provoking museum, that enables audiences to perceive displays from different viewpoints. To truly live up to this, we know that we can do more, we can be better and we are committed to do so. We have a responsibility to speak out, and to ask and address uncomfortable questions which we have not asked persistently enough.
The Museum’s rootedness in coloniality comes to us in materialized form through its unique Victorian galleries, the often-problematic language of its historic labels, and the very presence of its collections. Collections like the one we steward, were largely gathered during the time of the British Empire. During this period, systems and structures used for the exploitation of resources and people, including enslavement, were set up in institutionalised form in order to accumulate wealth and power for the colonisers. Part of that system of disempowerment of local authority was through the taking of (often sacred) objects. The people who took these objects felt entitled to do so; to appropriate them in order to represent cultural practices, and to speak about and for others from eurocentric perspectives. This process of taking and categorising cultural practice was often highly problematic, as there was no acknowledgement of the views of the originating communities and no reflection on the methods used to dispossess communities of these objects.
A visit to the Museum, therefore, evokes very different emotions and feeling with different people, depending on background and walks of life. For those who have heritage or roots in regions of the world that suffered the violence of Empire, the Pitt Rivers Museum can be a very difficult and hurtful place to be, as it can be for people who have to confront ableist and heter-normative world views on a daily basis. Too often stories have been silenced, perspectives erased. Undoing this coloniality is integral to the work the Museum does today.
As Toby said on London Calling yesterday, isn’t it a little self-defeating to describe the Pitt Rivers Museum as “a very difficult and hurtful place to be” for descendants of those “that suffered the violence of Empire” if you want to encourage black, Asian and minority ethnic students to visit? It’s almost like saying, “We’re deeply ashamed of the links between the Pitt Rivers Museum and white privilege and for that reason we want to discourage non-white people from visiting in future.”
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
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And Finally…

Toby adds his voice to the growing chorus of doubters about Boris in his Spectator column today.
What on earth happened to the freedom-loving, twinkly-eyed, Rabelaisian character I voted for? Oliver Hardy has left the stage, replaced by Oliver Cromwell. His government has even said it wants to lower the speed limit on motorways to 60 mph. Didn’t Boris once say that voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3? Where did that guy go?
Can his lacklustre performance be blamed on the fact that he came down with a bad dose of Covid several months ago? Toby doesn’t think so.
This explanation is attractive to former Boris enthusiasts like me because it lets us off the hook. It’s not that we overestimated him; rather that he’s changed in a way we couldn’t have anticipated. But the difficulty with those theories is that his mishandling of the crisis predates his battle with COVID-19.
Few would dispute that he failed to give the pandemic the attention he should have done in January and February, time he could have spent devising an effective containment strategy. Come March, he was just buffeted by events, one minute saying we should ‘take it on the chin’, the next imposing a full lockdown. His lack of engagement with the detail, both before and after his spell in intensive care, means the Government’s response has been led by others around the cabinet table, like Matt Hancock, who seem to be wholly captured by a small coterie of scientific advisors who decided early on that Sars-CoV-2 was ‘the big one’ and have been unwilling to abandon that hypothesis in the light of all the evidence to the contrary.
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Oi oi numero uno 😀
Saveloy!
Curse you, tonyspurs!
Uno , you know it’s only for a mo, since surely time will flow.
Spare a thought for those who laboured hard over a post on the old thread not realising this new one had begun…casting their seed on barren ground.
But verily they mayst cuteth and pasteth their wasted seed upon this fertile ground.
New restrictions in the North East. How is your dedicated lockdown sceptical media doing leading you out of what is plainly an elaborate racket?
Covid-19 as a modern day variant of an antique technocratic control device
I was in a dark and angry mood last week after the announcements about the Rule Of Six, the Moonshot mass testing, possible curfews and more lockdowns.
Then I realised I don’t care what the Government say anymore because I’m just going to ignore it all. I’m not wearing a mask, I’ll meet up with who I like, whenever I want and there’s nothing they can do to stop me enjoying Christmas as normal.
Yes the situation is still bad but at least I can smile and laugh at it all.
The government does not have anything like the near 100% support and consent from the public that made the initial lockdown so successful ( in keeping people indoors, not in terms of fighting the Covid).
That is why they are creeping the curfew in a area by area, initially emphasising pub closing times to divide and control
Creating lots of “so going to the pub is more important than stopping the killer Covid is you selfish bastard “
But they can still go to the pub, but clearly CV19 attacks people between 10pm and 11pm so pubs have to close earlier….
Staying at a hotel or eating in a restaurant you are asked to wear masks as you walk along corridors or go to your table. You can go to a restaurant with 6 people all from different households but families can’t have more than six people in their home. Never knew a virus could be so intelligent.
Indeed. They know where to go and not to go.
I wonder about those Yougov polls that claim support. I have a strong feeling they have been doctored. Surely people can’t be that blind to what’s going on.
The trouble with YouGov is that they skew those asked to contribute to the surveys along the “trendy lefty” arc. I have never seen a daily three question survey, the answers to which have been along the lines of right-of-centre or the commonsense options. The “answers” of the majority have always been in the bed-wetter direction.
Naw, they’re fake. Yougov for me has always been suspect.
I’m not a pub-goer but all this nonsense makes me think I should become one.
Me neither but in my younger days I was 3 pints an evening and rather more at the weekend. Alcohol Concern should be pleasantly surprised that I’m still alive.
I must visit your cafe sometime!
Best way to be. I gave up caring months ago. I’ve certainly never, ever feared coroni despite being in a vulnerable group. I even told my consultant this (at a very rare, telephone appointment) and he said “good for you, good attitude to have!” Don’t connect to interwebs or tv and coroni disappears! Think about it though. This is, after all just one massive psyops, Operation Fear being rolled out by government and its lapdog, MSM. Let’s face it if the threat to our lives was that great, they’d be playing it down to avoid panic! After all we wouldnt need telling, the evidence would be before our eyes! Local government would have had a far more active role in restricting and protecting people within its governance but have any our council’s been shown to be actively involved? No, this exercise, using a virus which at any other time in history would be treated like any virus in history, is a huge applied psychology exercise to get people to permanently change their social behaviours without them noticing by keeping them in a permanent state of fear. I see straight through the lies and I’m out!
Adding that one to my selection of comment snippets to post on the DM. Ta.
Just remember if you get nicked to not accept and sign a caution from the Police. Insist on your day in Court and don’t pay the fine 😉
George Carlin said it best.
Detach yourself emotionally
https://youtu.be/eVZMifGcW64
The human race is just an experiment
Another American, Kurt Vonnegut, had a good perspective in his novel Galapagos. Basically, in the novel, he said that humans had evolved a brain that was too large to be truly useful. Eventually our species evolves a smaller brain and goes back to living happily in the sea. Vonnegut was always good at the long view.
Three hearty cheers for you!
They’re the ones that matter. You make them matter and that’s because you matter.
Well done you for providing an oasis of sanity and normality. I like to think that your customers appreciate the fact that they’re welcome and not treated like lepers in your cafe.
Long may it continue and hope to visit you soon.
ChrisW you are they type of person we need to look up to and say I am going to take a lead from Chris and do exactly the same.
More people who do this stronger we will become as a group.
Thanks Dave, never saw myself as a leader!
Gutted that the Simon Dolans appeal has been delayed by a month due to one member of the government team being on holiday.
On holiday for Christs sake – it’s not like they didn’t know the appeal was set over a month ago.
The buggers can run and try to hide, but the reckoning must surely come
are you sure that’s real and not a script for Yes Minister ?
Yes it’s true – here’s the content of an email from Simon’s team this morning: Update on Join the Legal Challenge to the UK Govt Lockdown Our legal challenge against the Government delayed by a further month – due to a Government lawyer being on holiday. We had been scheduled to go ahead on September 23, with the court having moved the hearing forward from the original date of September 28. But one of the Government’s 11-strong team is holiday on that date, meaning it has now been moved back to October 29. The availability of suitably senior judges to hear the case on alternative dates was also a factor. As you know, the appeal was ordered to be heard by Lord Justice Hickinbottom who said that the legal challenge “potentially raises fundamental issues concerning the proper spheres for democratically-accountable Ministers of the Government and judges.” We are all naturally incredibly frustrated that the hearing will be delayed, especially give Lord Justice Hickinbottom’s direction that the case needed to be heard quickly. The case is of the utmost importance to the entire nation and we believe that further delays only highlights the Government’s inability to face up to its decisions. The… Read more »
It’s not government inability, it’s clearly their blatant unwillingness to face up to their responsibilities. Does the government have only one lawyer?? They don’t have anyone else to step in?
They’re scared of Simon. Yay.
Very clearly government interference. There is no other explanation. The government is clearly frit and delaying the inevitable. Hancock and Johnson need to be sent to the Tower.
Nearest lamp post will do, with a socially distanced 2m rope
Listened to a R4 Extra Episode of Yes Minister a few hours ago. Empty Hospital populated by administrators.
It seems we are there!
I seem to recall that last year when Gina Thingummybob was taking the government to court over the prorogation of Parliament the courts bent over backwards to get her before the Supreme Court in a matter of days. Why is Simon Dolan’s case treated so differently? Is it because she was part of the cosy Liberal world inhabited by so many in positions of power while Simon is posing a challenge to them?
in words of Churchill “Oh Yes!”
The govt have ELEVEN lawyers on the case, but the others are incapable of filling in for the one on holiday. They can’t be much cop then.
… this holiday must have been planned in advance – why was it allowed to happen if he/she had to be in court? If decided on short notice – again why was it allowed to happen?
This is clearly a delaying tactic and should not be allowed in our legal system
Contempt of Court it had been a witness.
Exactly. When I was a forensic scientist, court citations over rode everything. If you were on holiday, you had to come back.
We have a legal system? I thought it had been cancelled along with everything else which goes together to make a civilised society.
My main fear is what state will we be in by the time it makes it to court? Will we even have a functioning legal system by then?
It is part of the delay the court process strategy. It should not be allowed
Definitely. Case dates are set well in advance and everyone’s diaries are checked first. You don’t then go and book a holiday when you know that it clashes.I used to work in the legal profession. This is all very convenient and most likely dishonest.
delay is their main tactic
Haven’t the government advisors heard of Zoom?
This really pisses me off! In June, Simon’s case was initially thrown out/not given the go-ahead because the judge decided the issues he was contesting were too far in the past, and many of the points regarding closures, lockdowns, etc … had been addressed or were about to be shortly. Adding an extra month only allows that line of warped logic to creep back in. I’m hoping Simon and his team are wise to that now, and will focus on the absurd, non-sensible current (as possible) diktats!
A Madonna song
What a day. I’ve a sense the chickens are thinking of setting off to roost. 11 strong team but if one is on holiday then the hearing can be delayed. 2 weeks holiday, followed by 2 weeks quarantine – for each. They could easily drag this out for ever.
But… Carl Henegan is getting some good coverage so might save us from the Grinch
Why would anyone pay out a huge sum of money to go to Cambridge Maximum Security Prison? The superstitious bs has infected all of our major institutions, the universities being the craziest of all.
They still will though. If anything has been proven from the BLM protests there, it’s that the staff and students are woke and conformist.
You are correct. I suspect the students and staff will fully support the tough measures and many will want to go much further.
I would be surprised if the they make it to winter before the University term is suspended and everyone is sent home.
Not necessarily ‘woke’ themselves but few would wish to put their head above the parapet in the currently atmosphere.
Academia is conquered by the Frankfurt School and won’t change anytime soon.
Bit tricky if you’ve worked really hard to get a Cambridge place and Trinity to boot. If you don’t take it (deferment won’t be on the cards) what do you do?
Such a dilemma!
Live in digs outside the college environment.
It’s the same amout (£9,250/year for tuition) to go somewhere less exalted too. Merit is what determines UK admissions unlike USA. It’s the top (or close to, depending on where you look) university in the world.
I’d have told my kids to bail and come on home, i’ll help pay this years fees, fuck em.
My local university has apparently sourced enough kit to test every student weekly for the foreseeable future.
don’t go to university. Its an indoctrination camp to turn out good little commies
I’m thinking of sending back my degree certificates. Being a Cambridge graduate is nothing to be proud of any more.
My GP Surgery texted me about my annual COPD assmar review.
This is to take place over the telephone.
The main parts of the review are blood pressure and lung capacity tests.
Not sure how that’s going to work on the phone.
That will bring a whole new meaning for heavy breathing down the telephone!
“Inhale as much air as you can, hold your breath and then we’ll count how long it is before it is before we hear the receiver drop to the floor.”
That’s genuinely the first proper laugh I’ve had in days! 🤣🤣
“blow up a balloon whilst looking in a mirror and tell me if your eyes bulge or your veins start to stand out… and if you faint can you let out a squeal or fall on something noisy so i can tell”.
Telepathy maybe?
I thought perhaps they had a special app to turn my phone into a stethoscope.
If it is anything lie my last checkup, suddenly some routine things become unimportant. However they were happy to accept that my bathroom scales were good enough for the weight record!
hopefully he is also testing your vit D levels?? Vit D is essential for lung health
I rely on lots of sunshine, always have
Doc no longer gives me lectures on smoking since I gave him a very robust response some years ago.
If it were me I’d get back to them and tell that you insist on a face to face. It’s even been in the media hasn’t it that they required legally under contract law to see face to face. Just mention that to the telephone triage who seem to be fending off as many people as they can. Half an hour ago I just spotted my GP out jogging locally when I know that ordinarily she works at this time..
Except it was Matt Hancock himself who said that telephone or remote consultations would continue for GPs even after CV19 was gone.
Yes that was about 2 weeks ago got himself specially interviewed and everything.
To be fair Susyv I don’t take the live ones too seriously, just go along to look willing
I had Asthma review by phone two weeks ago. Had a “Peak flow meter” to do my own lung capacity test (sent when I had bad breathing problems in late Feb……). Blood pressure I don’t know (I have my own monitor).
Will it help them if you clap loudly?
Yes, it is now normal for our doctors to ask you to take your own blood pressure readings and send them by text; after all as they will tell you, the monitors only cost about £30.
ESP????
What a pathetic situation we are in.
I want to be a doctor because
I want to help people be healthyafter the legal profession, it is the best paid profession.Thanks to Toby for all his hard work. I feared he had given up in despair at recent developments.
The reason for the big increase in demand is that the case definition is so broad and flimsy that it captures huge numbers of people. All you need is either a fever, a cough, or loss of smell/taste, and you are supposed to get a test. With the schools going back and enforcing this rule strictly (I think that’s the key point) the demand shot up as any child with a cough now has to be off school and tested. The case definition needs to be tightened up so you need a cough AND a fever, for example.
The specificity of temperature for CoViD19 is around 10% (maybe too generous)
The specificity of cough for CoViD19 is around 20% (ditto) depends on the nature of the cough. One or two coughs every 15 minutes does not a persistent cough make.
The specificity of temperature plus cough is still probably less than 50%
These are rough figures based on differential diagnoses for each of the parameters.
Agree
Copied from yesterday
No clear guidance from the health department to the schools. Only mentions high temperature, coughing, loss of taste and smell.
Questions to determine whether a child must be tested:
How long do they have to have the high temperature for? In my experience a child’s temperature can go up and down like a yo-yo.
My 6 year old granddaughter was sent home from school with a high temperature. 24 hours later after a good night’s sleep and plenty of Calpol she was as right as rain. Even so the school would not allow her back until she had a negative Covid test (which of course it was).
Ditto with my child. It’s a farce!
exactly. even the word “cough” can have several different definitions.
Don’t forget kids, it’s expulsion for ‘Malicious Coughing’.
Or for telling any covid jokes.
(I could tell one, but you almost certainly wouldn’t get it …).
And even if you did get it, you almost certainly wouldn’t realise it
Ill-timed, like Kitty Bennet’s.
Interesting that that none of the worried test seekers I have seen on the TV vox-pops appear to have no signs of a cough. I suppose they might have a temperature but not too bad that they can’t get themselves on the TV.
Unfortunately it seems that the government have given the teaching unions and their activists in schools an open goal here to disrupt the re-opening schools drive. We will never see that data but suspect that this is almost entirely a state school issue not private – at my daughters private school no concerns at all about the back to school sniffles !!
My older son went back to school (state primary) last Monday with a runny nose and a cough (caused by said runny nose). Nobody has said anything.
This looks like being a dark day for the North East as new lockdown measures are announced. My activism has just moved up a gear.
Has there been much in the way of resistance to the lockdown measures in the North East? I remember seeing some coverage of a small anti-lockdown protest in Newcastle a few weeks ago but given the devastating poverty and unemployment heading to the region if this continues I would hope for more.
Nothing organised as far as I am aware, but almost everyone I speak with has had enough. The problem is they are reluctant to take any action. My position is to push against the rules as hard as possible and to try to spread the word.
Go it, rex et basileus!!
“I’ve been told by another insider I respect that Chris Whitty does not support a 2 week lockdown, so I’m pleased to correct the record.”
Disgraceful fearmongering and gossip.
It is the Imperial College Gates-funded twats who are pushing it.
Morning, lockdown friends – it feels like that, doesn’t it?
Sorry to be uninformed, but could somebody please explain what is meant by “cycle thresholds” when it comes to the testing used to detect CV19? I understand that the test is regarded as being over-sensitive with “too many cycles” employed, but I’ve never seen it explained what that means exactly. And it feels like the over-sensitivity of the test is absolutely crucial and should be fully understood.
Thanks
every cycle (actually a temperature cycle) doubles the amount of dna of your target (ie a section of the virus). if you do too many cycles you get a positive result for the tiniest amount of dna which could have come from anywhere (ie contaminant). getting a positive result from low number of cycles means there is a lot of the virus. testing companies will use as high number of cycles as they can get away with
The RT-PCR Test converts viral RNA into DNA. The DNA is then split into two strands and duplicated. After the initial step there are 2 strands. After the next step there are 4 and so on. After 10 steps there are 1024 strands. After 20 there are over a million. After 30 steps there are over a billion. And after 40 there are a trillion. This is for every single strand of RNA in the original sample.
Is it also that the recommended number of cycles is around 35, above that, for the reasons you have stated, false positives are more likely. I read the other day the UK is using 45 cycles, not sure of the validity of that statement. There is also the issue that different countries are using different number of cycles, so no uniformity, as was similar in the criteria for recording CV19 deaths.
Here’s the relevant section from the NHS guidance on Covid testing protocol.
Essentially, tests below a Ct value of 40 are accepted as valid. 40Ct or above needs validation, whether a second positive test with a Ct of 40 constitutes validation I don’t know. My understanding is the acceptable Ct value in many countries is lower & naturally the higher the Ct value the greater the proportion of false positives. There is no published recommended Ct number so I guess consistency is a problem as is repeatability.
Where Ct values are below an agreed value (based on analysis of proficiency testing performance and other local testing data) with satisfactory quality control parameters, including internal control performance, the result is considered valid and should be telephoned and a report issued as a final result. Any such positive result will be recorded as ‘confirmed’ for public health reporting purposes and will be notifiable under recent legislation. Results where:
• the Ct value is ≥ 40 and/or
• there is an abnormal assay curve and/or
• the clinical context makes the positive result highly unexpected should be considered interim or held until reviewed by a laboratory clinician.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/guidance-and-sop-covid-19-virus-testing-in-nhs-laboratories-v1.pdf
The best description of this is from Mike Yeadon – former CEO of Pfizer and well worth following on Twitter. He did an interview on Talk Radio explaining this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WapjYL1Wnfw
Is there another (better) word that could be used instead of ‘cases’?
To me the word ‘cases’ signifies people needing treatment. It is clear that nearly all of these reported numbers are people who DO NOT nead treating for anything.
Yes, fairly meaningless positive test results.
Positive test results for the presence of the virus cannot be described as ‘cases’. In medicine a case requires the presence of symptoms and the vast majority of those who test positive are asymptomatic and will remain so.
DHSC admitted in reply to Awkward Git’s FOI, that the test does not indicate the presence of disease and must be taken in context of symptoms!
They are simply positive test results
Positive or False Positive test results..
So… Test results then
Carl Heneghan (who else?) has done a paper about what constitutes a case, it seems to vary with each country.
In this country we have pillar 1 testing which is medically assessed ill people with a confirmatory test result, a fairly traditional case.
And pillar 2 testing which is the drive in test centre results which are not really cases more like a vacuous shopping bag.
“To me the word ‘cases’ signifies people needing treatment.”
That is why the Establishment is using that term. It makes the situation look worse than it is, justifying further restrictions.
unfortunately we have been having this conversation for weeks now since the media attention focused on cases. we even had to chide Toby/Will who write the daily summary about referring to cases.
As we all know, these are “tests where a positive is indicated” . As you say, “case” has implications. Most people will infer from this term that it refers to people who are ill with covid. Which they are not but it continues the scare tactics.
they’ve switched again-just listened to BBC London announcing there have been 18k positive tests- that’s a big increase- turns out this relates to a week not a day
I like “tests where a positive is indicated.” Does away with the suggestion that a positive test actually means an infection.
The BBCs preferred alternative is ‘infected’.
I just wanted to say a huge thank you to Toby for setting up this site and for the many people who help to collate the information and post in the comments. Without it I am not sure that I would have been able to survive through the last 6 months. At the beginning I felt like I was watching a school bus driving full throttle towards the edge of a cliff and the driver couldn’t hear my screams. After I found this site I realised I wasn’t going crazy living in some kind of parallel universe – there were lots of people screaming at the bus. Whilst I initially feel down when I see news of second lock downs, curfews etc We have to remember that the tide is turning and the more restrictions that come in the more angry people become (out of 100 friends, family & acquaintances I now know of only 1 now who is pro lock down and he is in a cushy government job loving “working” from home.) So bring it on, eventually the bus driver wont be able to drive off the cliff as there will be millions of people standing in his… Read more »
And this is why this site is great. On a day when you feel like there is just no hope, you’ll read a post like this and your spirits are lifted a bit.
I agree. I have been in very dark places in the last 7 months, but, and I don’t know why, I do think we are nearing the end now. More and more people are seeing through this and the more the government impose pointless restrictions on every day life, the more people question. It will take one big event – perhaps a high level principled resignation (Sunak?) or a mainstream paper to do a thorough piece of investigative journalism – for the pack of cards to collapse. I naturally tend to pessimism, I don’t really know what is driving my more positive outlook, I just sense a change.
Australia got their resignation
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/covid-19-the-great-hoax-in-history-as-evidence-surfaces/
Out of curiosity, how many of the hundred were sceptical to start with? The size of the shift is, after all, the significant variable.
I would say none to start with – 50% were sceptical by July and all are now (apart from the government worker.) However most still toe the line for an easy life with regards masks etc. The anger is growing though and i don’t think it will be long before people decide that they have had enough and stuff the rules.
That’s a positive sign, then. If that’s replicated across the country we may be reaching some kind of tipping point.
I think we are, too. My one concern is that, far from giving up whatever it is they’re doing, the government will go full throttle Stasi, but by then I think people will put up a fight – I know I will.
Yes indeed, the government’s real agenda has little to with the ephemeral coronavirus. Like some others, the UK government has been thoroughly corrupted by a mega rich vaccine centric philanthro-capitalist and it is now waging a genocidal war which is designed to bring about a cull most of its own people.
I was scared at first as I’m vulnerable but I was outraged from day one at the ban on seeing friends or being outside as much as you wished. I had still been seeing my friends and my helpers came round in March and I continued to go to church. Come lockdown, church closed and my helpers abandoned me. I tore up “Stay at home” posters and never joined the clapping as it seemed like a display in a totalitarian state.
Good for you. I hope your health is better. Anger can sometimes be a good medicine.
I was from the word go. I couldn’t believe the Govt ordered the lockdown. But that was because in the lead-up I read all the stuff about every other pandemic and about vaccine efficiency (it’s just one of the tools in the box) and also planning for pandemics which said lockdown should not be an option.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/covid-19-the-great-hoax-in-history-as-evidence-surfaces/
the greatest hoax in history
I’m sure that’s part of the problem…the government are surrounded entirely by people in ‘cushy’ government jobs.
That’s the spirit.
Come in, folks, no more moaning ‘I despair’!
This site has kept me sane! All the information we need to break down the fear-mongering reporting and crunch the numbers is there, together with a round up of all sorts sceptics stories, combined with the most important thing, humour! Thanks, Toby, for all your hard work.
Hear, hear!! I discovered this site by accident and since then its been my go to for sanity and rationality. I’ve also been heartened by the support I’ve received here as well as the advice, laughter and general chit-chat that has helped me keep going.
Thanks to Toby and to everyone here!!!
That’s good to hear. Finding fellow sceptics – or level headed normal people, as I call them – has also saved my sanity.
Six months of lockdown now and still I don’t know anyone who has had COVID-19. I am still asking friends and people at all the businesses I carry out work for and none of them know of any cases either.
Seems truly bizarre when compared to the Swine Flu in 2009. I knew loads back then with a lot of people ill for a few weeks and having to take Tamiflu. I remember we couldn’t field one of the teams for about a month at the cricket club I played for because players either had it or were still recovering, and this time we’ve had no players catch COVID which it meant to be this highly contagious virus which makes people really ill.
It just does not add up at all!
And all the testing stations are empty too… Hmm. And now lots of the testing stations are banning photography too… Even more hmm! Are we being lied to maybe?… Hmm!
They’ve always banned photography. There has been “No Filming” at the sites since the first ones were established. Some good videos on YouTube of people auditing the sites where there is no people testing or the sites which are meant to be active aren’t even built, the auditors are normally accosted by Army personnel telling them they can’t film even though they’re stood on private land.
Hi Skipper, thanks for the heads up. I stand corrected. Regards, Arnie.
With respect to the Rhondda Cynon Taf martial law, I mean local lockdown, it appears that in recent days some 300 people turned up from England for testing.
Doncaster Racecourse have now confirmed that the story about the rugby club attending the racecourse last week was all lies. It’s an absolute joke, except it isn’t funny.
we’ll see more of this-like Putin’s daughter dying after taking the Russian vaccine
Frazer Nelson told Jeremy Vine that the story of them stopping off at every pub on the way back was total rubbish.
I’ve read yesterday that MP’s had brought up that people are giving false postcodes so that they can get a test, and thus if tested positive it inflates that postcodes figures. So, how true are the actual figures for these areas that are being locked down?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/15/uk-families-having-to-hack-system-to-get-coronavirus-test
Who knows, but looks as if giving a Scottish postcode gets you a test, so Scots results for Pillar 2 tests will be even more rubbish than previously realised.
You have to wonder what possesses some of the people interviewed. Traipse a sick child on a 104 mile round trip to get them tested for a cold?? Please.
I don’t understand the point of that, given the results take a while to process. “Yes please! I would like a cotton bud shoved so far up my nose that it tickles my thalamus, but I have no interest in knowing the results of the test”
I believe the results are sent electronically, so the validity of the persons address/postcode will be irrelevant. Horrific for people within the region of a test centre though, if people are fraudulently claiming to be from somewhere to snag a test, if it predisposes the area to lockdown.
Anecdotal I know, but the 2 testing stations I’ve been past have always been empty, or maybe 1 car.
The testing station at Bidston Moss in the Wirral (twinned with Eyam since the first quarantinees were brought here) was empty. Bed-wetting friends took their daughter to have a test as (wait for it) she had a cold at five years old and were invited straight in because they had nothing to do.
But we have heard the same from many posters including me, yesterday a testing station nurse called into Jeremy Vines show and said the same.
It’s one huge pack of lies intended to justify the creeping second lockdown that we are in the beginning of.
I have a guy in doing some work for me at the moment whose mother sadly passed from Covid back in June. He couldn’t go anywhere near her throughout the several weeks she was isolated in hospital on oxygen. He’s a really nice guy, but grief stricken.
Unsurprisingly he’s a fan of masks and hoping for a vaccine.
We have to remember there are a lot of people who have suddenly lost people they weren’t expecting, and in the most horrendous circumstances. The grief is real.
The horrendous circumstances were partly of the government’s making
Indeed. But grief – or any other emotion – cannot be used to shut down debate. We are being governed not by logic or reason, but by whatever is trending on social media.
…and the hand-wringing. You must never forget the hand-wringing. It’s the most important part of their game, only surpassed by the phrase “If it saves the life of one person…”
Of or With though? And did she have any other underlying illness. People seem to have very ill family members who have died but seem to want the crutch of “it was COVID that did it guv” so they can play the victim/sympathy card.
Did you see.my post yesterday about R2 doctor Sarah Jarvis explaing how important the difference was between With and Of, in that case pancreatic cancer?
Most men who make it through to old age tend to have prostate cancer. However, it isn’t usually the cause of the death. If we handled prostate cancer (phrasing that carefully) in the same way as Covid, then it would be considered to be a national crisis – assuming, that is, that the current political environment didn’t dismiss any problem which affected men.
Loss of your mum can indeed be devastating even if not actually a surprise, personal experience.
“If they don’t make this supposedly voluntary “commitment”, they lose their place at Cambridge.”
Wait wait wait. They lose their place at Cambridge? The passage you quoted suggests they lose their place *in college accommodation*. There’s a BIG difference!
I think getting non college accommodation in Cambridge at short notice is going to be really hard and more expensive.
No doubt, but that’s not the same as “los[ing] their place at Cambridge”!
Most, if not all, colleges insist on your living in College in your first year.
Even if you didn’t, they’d still have removed everything that used to make a Cambridge education such a wonderful experience.
Lockdowns and masks are like being asked to drink bleach to cure a bad tummy.
Bleach kills germs, a bad tummy is caused by bad germs, so drink bleach.
If the result is an even worse tummy, the solution is to drink even more bleach.
Or like the old bleed-and-purge medicine. If it doesn’t work the first time, carry on until you’ve killed the patient.
Anybody else familiar with Molière’s Le Malade imaginaire?
Ah you forgot the last step – must repeatedly dilute the bleach in water until it’s undetectable and then it’ll be so potent it cures you.
A homeopathic remedy is not simply diluted. If you don’t know anything about it, please don’t criticise!
I have several homeopathics in my first aid kit and find them extremely effective.
Shameless re-post of mine and Arnie’s conversation just now on yesterday’s page, as I think it’s worth it: Arnie: Terrorism is illegal in the UK. Unless of course it’s done by the government. Boris & his chum ‘Cock have killed more people in ONE DAY than the islamic terrorists have managed altogether. Let that sink in. How long before the deaths are more than World War Two? At what stage will the public realise that being ‘saved to death’ is not the answer? Rage Against the Machine? You bet! The Government machine is literally butchering our people in plain sight while calmly, reasonably, and totally psychotically telling us that they are ‘saving’ us from covid. When will our people wake up? Will they ever? Perhaps they deserve this?.. Sam Vimes: Absolutely, Arnie. Posted this from CPS website before: Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public. It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause. Examples include: serious violence against a person or damage to property, endangering a person’s life (other than that of… Read more »
Thanks for the thumbs up Sam! Keep fighting the good fight. Cheers, Arnie.
Can we charge alexander and hancock under the terrorism act then?
Bloke on Radio 2 NEWS Monday
“people who break lockdown rules are like terrorists, like walking about with a machine gun, they need treating like terrorists “
So where’s my machine gun?
And don’t forget the Tories have already have had over 100,000 excess deaths due to their austerity policies. Add in the lockdown deaths and the figures are even more horrendous. The Government does not value human life. They should be in the dock, charged with corporate manslaughter.
One more face freed, at least for this morning.
On my walk in the park, I saw a gentleman sporting full muzzle with no-one around him. I called over and nicely asked him why he was earing a mask. “Because everyone says we’re supposed to”. I smiled and did my best to engage with him and before long heard “I’ll take it off then”, which he did.
He wasn’t a “bedwetter” just someone who seemed genuinely confused about what was the right thing to do, so I gave him a small slip of paper on which I’ve printed out links to this website, Keep Britain Free and the nomasks.info website.
He may revert back but he at least now has access to more balanced information.
Keep fighting friends, but wherever possible do it with a smile 🙂
well done
We shouldn’t ignore inconvenient statistics, or we will be branded “Covid deniers”.
Daily hospitalisations in England have risen from a 50-70 band at the start of September to a 130-160 band now, and the trend is rising steeply.
The % of P1 and P2 tests that are +ve has risen from around 0.8% to around 1.5% in the same period.
These are inconvenient truths, backed up by David Paton’s stats at:
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1305889630353416192 (linked yesterday) but they can’t be ignored.
Anecdotally, I hear that the ICU in one of the main Birmingham hospitals has recently seen a very steep increase in Covid-19 patients. The latest stats I can find on this date back to 3 September here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
which indicates no increase at all. Those who have access to more current data may be able to bear out the rumour.
I don’t dispute that:
– the overall numbers are vanishingly small compared to when we had a problem
– the reaction – lockdown – is hugely disproportionate
– Government are prepared to lie to us when it suits their purpose
But we need to be aware that there is an increase in hospitalisations, which has always been a key metric for me.
“Page doesn’t exist”? (The first link).
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1305889630353416192
Fair comment. I’m not expecting a second wave but … uh … a ripple? In a way it would be surprising if there *wasn’t* a slight increase in hospitalisations for *all* respiratory diseases at this time of year. Carl Henegan made that point in his recent Spectator article.
Bronchial tract infections caused by mask/petri dishes.
One of my best friends is a consultant in a major London hospital. He says covid-19 admissions are increasing and we could be heading for another full lockdown soon. I hope he’s wrong and just being hysterical.
The UK NHS data reported on this site;
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Shows 901 people currently in hospital with Covid 19
and 115 on ventilators.
Figures on admissions needs to be offset against discharges and so really it is the figure of current hospital cases that is relevant, this has gone up a bit, down a bit, considering we have a population of 66.65 million the numbers in hospital are small. And despite media hysteria do not seem to be going up very dramatically.
Dear NHS why are 115 Covid patients on ventilators? Ventilators kill Covid patients, or is it that they are on ventilators for other illnesses?
But are people in hospital or ventilated because of and only due to Covid, or they have another condition that required hospitalization and happen to test positive. There needs to be a distinction.
Ventilators screw Covid patients kidneys so they got sent to dialysis wards to kill the regulars in there.
Looking at those stats, it’s 472 in hospital with Covid in England on 1 Sept rising steadily to 894 on 16 Sept.
Cause for concern and ties in with Motke’s comment from his London doctor friend.
so the 115 on ventilators will probably not see the light of day
I think you are correct that we are seeing an increase in hospitalisations/ICU and deaths. Although some may still be not true CLI(Covid like illness) most are. It is correct that there are many false positive, asymptomatic etc but this is the repressed first wave of the disastrous lockdown, which comes back every time you open up. This is happening in almost every country in Europe. The more severe lockdown the higher current peak. Look at Spain with almost a military lockdown and mask fanatics and the enormous spike.Many asymptomatic but still genuine cases dripping in to hospitals and ICU. France, severe lockdown and mask fanatics and now a huge rise. Belgium and Greece the same pattern. Personally, I think masks facilitate spread and looking at all countries with mask show the same pattern. But it is not only a problem with the lockdown which is obviously not working but also SD has been discussed as a problem. This disease with almost 100 times more severe in the elderly compared to those below 65, might be the worst example of trying to use social distancing of younger people to protect the elderly. There are already some speculating that this SD… Read more »
Great post.
Distancing measures, if indeed they do limit transmissions, simultaneously maintain a greater degree of population susceptibility. It was probably wise for those in the well-defined vulnerable groups to exercise a degree of voluntary self-isolation in the early weeks of the outbreak. (And it was also when care homes and nursing homes needed and did not get, a guaranteed supply of PPE…) But at the same time, the low-risk majority of the population should have been allowed or even encouraged to circulate normally in society, thus facilitating low-risk viral transmission, allowing for a gradual mutational shift to a low virulence virus phenotype. This process has happened in the countries that maintained social openness, most efficiently in Sweden, because it has been allowed to happen, whether or not that outcome was intentionally sought. ‘Suppression’ or ‘elimination’ strategies are doomed to failure, because they simply maintain susceptibility and a high level of collective vulnerability, to a virus that will has had less opportunity to evolve to a reduced virulence phenotype. And it is why New Zealand and the state of Victoria in Australia remain in the most vulnerable and parlous situation, as the authorities double down on counter-productive measures (destroying fundamental civil liberties… Read more »
It has crossed my mind that they may be hyper sensitive about the potential for CV19 to run riot through their Maori and aboriginal populations, hence the draconian measures?
In what sense are those populations any different? If they have a greater incidence of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc. then yes those individuals with those pre-disposing prognostic factors will be at greater risk. But so are the elderly! The answer is to get your population of people who are at minimal risk of symptomatic illness out and about, allowing for greater transmission!
That, in time, will help the vunerable subgroups.
It’s counter-intuitive to some, and the very thought of it is not to be entertained by public health officials, who will always stick to the; ‘until we have a vaccine’ mantra.
But it is what works. As the real world evidence shows us.
Given enough time and physical isolation, the NZ population will eventually come to have an element of the characteristic vulnerabilities of an isolated Amazonian jungle tribe.
Just my opinion!
There is increasing support in the literature for this approach:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/09/17/latest-news-137/#comment-134158
We absolutely shouldn’t ignore any relevant information. I think the context is everything. At what point did those patients in ICU test positive and where did they contract the virus – in hospital, in the community or a care setting? What was the reason for their initial admission to hospital? Age and underlying conditions remain important if we are to understand what a proportionate and likely effective response to the data is. Is there an increase in hospitalisations for patients suffering as a result of other respiratory conditions?
Are there age-category numbers for hospitalisations?
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/09/17/latest-news-137/#comment-134158
“Anecdotally, I hear that the ICU in one of the main Birmingham hospitals has recently seen a very steep increase in Covid-19 patients.”
Did they present early in the infection?
https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/videos/313190119942539/
a friend went to London hospital very ill from food poisoning and was given an MRI scan and a neck xray and they tried to forcible admit her. They didn’t treat her for the food poisoning. She managed to escape, very fearful!
Good for her.
Activated charcoal will assist with food poisoning
Surely these are only inconvenient in the context of a “zero Covid” policy? Otherwise, they’re pretty much par for the course as the seasons change and we move into winter. As I’ve said to friends recently, until the park outside my house is dug up for a mass grave, I will consider the current “policies” ludicrously disproportionate.
Do recall when hospital mortality fell from 6% to 0.25(?)% some months back ?
Was Covid less serious? Miracle Cure?
No, they were hospitalising people unnecessarily to bump up the numbers until they got caught out on that lie, of that among many.
Has anyone been watching ITN’s News at Ten these last few nights? Tom Bradby and crew surely take the biscuit for bedwetters of the week. The selective reporting and deliberate scaremongering destroys any claim these people may make to objective and impartial journalism. A claim which is further undermined by Robert Peston’s strange tics and vocal mannerisms, which have always marked him out as a clown. But it’s not funny: the politicking of these people is potentially destroying the lives of tens of thousands of others (through delayed cancer treatment) as well as the well-being and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands more.
Thinking back to when my children were young, I can barely remember a week going by before the age of about six when at least one of them didn’t have a runny nose, a cough, a sore throat or a temperature.
Exactly our experience with grandchildren.
That is because the defence mechanism in children is based on the innate system including the mucosa. A sore throat indicates that T cells are being manufactured to fight the virus. This is the real anomaly with SARS-CoV-2, young children appear to be immune from any signs of infection.
What kind of idiot refers to a virus as “devilish”? The kind of idiot appointed by the Lancet to head up an investigative commission. It sometimes feels like we have stepped back several centuries in time.
The enlightenment seems to be over anyway.
This virus has been ascribed malevolent qualities throughout the fiasco.
NLP ?
Surely this is helping the tide turn.
I don’t know. I think the perception of a shambolic testing regime will be used an excuse by this risk adverse/cowardly administration to impose further lockdown measures.
These articles don’t support freedom and individual choice they merely support more draconian rules and regulations but want them carried out efficiently and brutally like in Melbourne.
I worry when I see these articles it means more punishment ahead shortly (if people keeping complying and being submissive).
Think most of you will enjoy the ‘cover my arse’ article by Neil Ferguson as a response to this one “Professor’s model for coronavirus predictions should not have been used” by Oonagh McDonald https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/professors-model-for-coronavirus-predictions-should-not-have-been-used-z7dqrkzzd Neil Ferguson’s article on 16/9/20: ‘Lockdown sceptics are distorting the science’ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/df5b790a-f78f-11ea-ab7f-2d901a77c934?shareToken=050672496623579eaae6e56196320ba5 (some might be able to open it, share token) I should clarify that I never predicted bird flu would kill 200 million people. Rather, I was part of a US research network that examined what might happen if bird flu mutated to become transmissible between people. “If” being the key word: no one can yet predict whether a specific animal virus will cause a pandemic.Covid-19 models had to be developed in a matter of days with limited resources, either by developing code from scratch, or adapting pre-existing code.The process of peer review – or exhaustive software verification – is impossible when models are being developed and applied on such timescales. Therefore, the UK government has a policy of never relying on a single analysis. Many uncertainties remain, but there is overwhelming scientific consensus about the threat Covid-19 poses. Of course, a small minority of scientists hold dissenting views.Infection levels in the UK are now back… Read more »
Melinda Gates has said there needs to be a reckoning of social media companies for not doing enough to censor during this whole outrage.
[Gates said] “It may be time for a reckoning” with social media’s role in spreading disinformation, Melinda Gates told “Axios on HBO” Monday — but she doesn’t see that happening until after the pandemic ends.
https://www.axios.com/melinda-gates-coronavirus-social-media-aab1ded6-a7b1-4b2c-98dc-b8ee9728998c.html
its time for the reckoning with them!
I think that, with the verifiable nonsense of the last three paragraphs, Ferguson pigeon-holes himself. A computer nerd pretending to epidemiology.
It is interesting to compare his self-advertising utterances with real science :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/
He is probably reading our website, and worrying about his reputation.
Ten years ago Judy Mikovits thought she had found a virus XMRV in CFS/ME patients. I was part of a very active online forum discussing these findings and other virology papers.
All the virologists used to read our website and posts! They found they had suddenly become famous (an unusual situation for a virologist) and used to enter into online discussions with us.
Don’t underestimate Prof Ferguson’s vanity. The internet has elided the distinction between these grades in society, and “scientists” want to know what the public think of them.
That article got punted at me in my goggle feed this morning, I thought bloody cheek taking our name in vain.
Sounds like a climate scientist
I read an article this morning about a Japanese businessman who works in Shanghai and recently returned there from Japan. PCR test at the airport. Bundled into a bus and taken to a nearby hotel where he must stay till he gets the results. The Japanese journalist interviewing him was shocked – in Japan apparently you’re merely advised to quarantine and they leave the rest up to your good sense and public spirit. There was a picture of his miserable little room. The hotel brings him three meals a day though he has to make do with one towel. He doesn’t have a key so if he went out he wouldn’t be able to get back in. There is one window that looks out on a wall. He has to take his temperature twice a day and report to some anonymous centre via smartphone. The man tells himself that if this is what it takes he has to put up with it. It wasn’t clear whether he meant what it takes to beat the virus or what it takes to get into Shanghai. Either way it would be a lot harder for him psychologically if he started to question the… Read more »
Update from Doncaster racecourse on the Rugby club from Rhondda Cynon Taf:
Along with our colleagues at the British Horseracing Authority, we were pleased to receive confirmation this evening from Public Health Wales that this group did not, indeed, attend the pilot event at Doncaster Racecourse last week.
So, it is all lies but I see that the MSM is still pushing this story as being the reason for the lockdown in this area.
Who’s this then? Crisis actor?
https://www.facebook.com/BBCWalesNews/videos/647266675873377/
I thought that my anger had peaked – or rather, was at maximum level and couldn’t go any higher.
But … this bunch of Cupid Stunts are way ahead in their ability to screw up intelligent life in this country. We had planned a weekend away in Northumberland, taking a chance to meet up with our daughter.
Then we have the jackboots marching on the North-East. Do we fancy a ‘break’ in no man’s land under curfew?
Fantastic place, Rick. We too, are holding off holiday plans, because you just don’t know what the bastards will do next, although “Figure out what makes sense, then do the opposite” is a pretty good predictor.
That’s about right, Sam. But I reckon the CS’s manage to outpace even our worst imaginings in this f.ing dystopia.
We’re still debating what to do – and yes, I love Northumberland. But f.ing about with extra restrictions on pubs and restaurants isn’t an added attraction.
With this gullibility, it’s no wonder that fake Nigerians with money problems have managed to make a good living out of the Great British Public.
So having had their fun playing wakamole with European holidays they are now doing it to our own tourist industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGBEaYEtiys&feature=youtu.be
I know this has been posted a lot but it can’t be watched or disseminated enough. The truth getting out…in Australia at least.
Interesting few days on the front line. I havent seen many kids for months in the surgery as most were enjoying their 6 month holiday but since Monday that has changed. I am seeing lots . All have been sent home from school and told to get ” checked out ” . I can offer no Covid tests so all I do is after seeing them , examining them and if I m in a good mood giving mum a script for calpol ( We are discouraged from this but honestly in terms of the government corona bill of £ 500 billion it is peanuts ) is tell mum to go on line and book a test. I would say that all the children I have seen this week have been healthy and well apart from a sniffly cold ; I think this insanity will last over the winter. Saddest sight for me this week was a breathless elderly patient very unwell with a chronic respiratory problem who was masked up . I told her to please remove it but she felt she couldn’t because it was somehow protecting her . I suppose we have the media, Whitty , Hancock… Read more »
Yes, Peter, the sheeple clearly think that their face covering is a gas mask, that protects *them*, even though the government advice says exactly the opposite. Witness people wearing them on empty streets or alone in their car. Of course, the government knew this would happen, but can always say “No, no, we didn’t say that”. Bastards.
Interesting frontline report. Confirm the same information from all over Europe that school openings has as usual increased the spread of rhinoviruses enormously. Germany reporting a big spike in rhinoviruses and masks will of course not stop that but most likely increase the spread by contaminating fingers. The only evidence-based measure to stop spread of viruses and bacteria a bit is handwashing and we have known that for 150 years.
Absolutely! 100 percent! See the evidence from Singapore.
But people can’t see if you are a hand washer or not so that does not achieve the objective.
I concur, children with sore throat and temperature, treat according to signs and symptoms. Advising not to get tested, but maybe worth staying off school for a few days to stop the school from throwing a strop and sending a load of kids home for a fortnight for no real reason.
Here is the NHS guidance . I direct mum s to this.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/symptoms/coronavirus-in-children/
I advise taking the child away from school until better. I am not going to risk being denounced on social media in the local ” spotted ” group for not following the ” rules ” and ” endangering the lives of the children ” .
Working in the insane asylum I know the limits . If you don’t know the limits you end up without a job.
https://gript.ie/hse-sacks-doctor-for-saying-coronavirus-less-severe-than-the-flu/
My 4-year-old started school a week ago last Monday. By the Wednesday she had a streaming cold. She was very keen to go to school so I told the assistant on the gate, expecting to be sent home and told to stay there for two weeks.
To my very pleasant surprise they said, nah, doesn’t matter, they’ve all got runny noses this time of year and we just get on with it. Sanity!
Now I’ve got the same cold, at the same time as having one of those random covid tests thingies come through the post. I wonder if they are worth anything on ebay.
Thanks Peter. What would you regard as a high temperature?
Anything over 103 degrees F in an adult. 102 degrees for a child, 100 degrees for a baby.
Great. Now to get this information to the schools
I am lucky that school my 12 year old attends is sensible. He attended with a sniffy cold and sore throat…although he had to endure some teasing when he occasionally coughed!
Re your elderly lady, I spoke to similar outside Tesco.
“I got wear it I got breathing difficulties”
‘That’s why you don’t have to wear it’
“I do I had the double pneumonia”.
Sadly I gave up at that point.
A middle-aged man in a mask that is frilly
Is first in the line for a medal for silly.
VERY IMPORTANT (Assuming it is not fake)
https://www.facebook.com/100006809355193/videos/2753855928184692
this was commented on yesterday …. unfortunately the search function on here is not good. there was a link to a youtube commentator also raising this as an issue.
I did pose the question of whether this might be HPV vaccinations which are routinely done annually on 12/13 year olds in school by the NHS .
Not necessarily the vaccine itself … but the parent apparently not having the opportunity to withhold consent – again if that is the case.
i cannot remember what happened with mine.. was a long time ago.. I think we had a note through in advance. It wouldnt surprise me if that had happened here and was overlooked or it just didnt get issued to the parent because of the confusion
Interesting stuff retweeted by Prof. Francois Balloux of UCL yesterday:
(1) Model showing that social distancing can INCREASE the final size of an outbreak.
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1306268841421541379
Note the positive response from Wes Pegden, who wrote a paper on this in July:
“Basically, the epidemic will be over when it is over for 20-35 year olds. Whether this happens before or after a large number of 60-100 year olds have been infected depends on our policy decisions.”
https://twitter.com/WesPegden/status/1306282575556743170
(2) How universal mitigations (e.g. lockdowns) kill more people over time than the Swedish approach.
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1306284719349391366
Both support Professor Sunetra Gupta’s long-held view:
“Maybe the way to counter it now is to say, actually, not only is it a good thing for young people to go out there and become immune, but that is almost their duty. It’s a way of living with this virus. It’s how we live with other viruses. Flu is clearly a very dangerous virus, but the reason we don’t see more deaths from flu every year is because, through herd immunity, the levels of infection are kept to as low a level as we can get.”
https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/
Statements of the pretty bleedin’ obvious have no traction in this.
I must admit I was sceptical of the level of pre-existing immunity postulated by Prof. Gupta, and still am about her postulated three forms of the disease. However, pre-existing immunity is one explanation, and a perfectly plausible one, of the levels of herd immunity seen in places like Manaus and Guayaquil, which seem to be around 20-30%. That calls for some explanation. However, transposed to the UK setting, sending a million or so 20-year olds off to university to mingle, get infected and develop immunity would be a good step in the herd immunity direction.
Incidentally, if that seems a bit blasé about the mortality, it’s about 2 in a million for that age group. The risk from meningitis in the same age group is about three times that, but universities never bothered with these extreme measures for that. (And, very sadly, the risk from suicide is something like 100 in a million.)