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by Will Jones
18 September 2020 2:22 AM

The Care Home Scandal – A Call For Evidence

Lockdown Sceptics has asked an award-winning investigative journalist, David Rose, to investigate the high death toll in Britain’s care homes. Did 20,000+ elderly people really die of COVID-19 between March and July or were many of them just collateral lockdown damage? With lots of care homes short-staffed because employees were self-isolating at home, and with relatives and partners unable to visit to check up on their loved ones because of restrictions, how many elderly residents died of neglect, not Covid? How many succumbed to other conditions, untreated because they weren’t able to access hospitals or their local GP? After doctors were told by care home managers that the cause of death of a deceased resident was “novel coronavirus”, how many bothered to check before signing the death certificate? The risk of doctors misdiagnosing the cause of death is particularly high, given that various safeguards to minimise the risk of that happening were suspended in March.

David Rose would like Lockdown Sceptics readers to share any information they have that could help in this investigation. Here is his request:

We are receiving reports that some residents of care homes who died from causes other than Covid may have had their deaths ascribed to it – even though they never had the disease at all, and never tested positive. Readers will already be familiar with the pioneering work by Carl Henghan and his colleagues at the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which forced the Government to change its death toll counting method. Previously, it will be recalled, people who died of, say, a road accident, were being counted as Covid deaths if they had tested positive at any time, perhaps months earlier. But here we are talking of something different – Covid “deaths” among people who never had the virus at all.

In one case, where a family is deciding whether to grant permission for Lockdown Sceptics to publicise it, an elderly lady in reasonable health was locked in her room for many hours each day in a care home on the south coast, refused all visitors, deprived of contact with other residents, and eventually went on hunger strike, refusing even to drink water. She died in the most wretched circumstances which were only indirectly a product of the virus – and yet, her death certificate reportedly claims she had Covid.

I’m looking for further examples of 1) elderly people who died as a result of the lockdown and associated measures, but whose deaths were wrongly attributed to “novel coronavirus”, and 2) those elderly people who clearly died from other causes but whose deaths were still formally ascribed to Covid because they once tested positive for it, even after the counting method change.

If you have relevant information, please email Lockdown Sceptics or David directly on david@davidroseuk.com.

Stop Press: This applies to hospice deaths ascribed to COVID-19 as well.

Simon Dolan’s Legal Challenge Delayed by MONTH Because Government Lawyer on Holiday

The legal challenge to the lockdown being brought by entrepreneur and founder of Keep Britain Free Simon Dolan has been delayed because one of the Government’s 11 lawyers is on holiday. This is despite Lord Justice Hickinbottom, who ordered the appeal, directing that the case needed to be heard quickly. Here’s what Simon had to say:

Our legal challenge against the Government delayed by a further month – due to a Government lawyer being on holiday. 

We had been scheduled to go ahead on September 23rd, with the court having moved the hearing forward from the original date of September 28th. 

But one of the Government’s 11-strong team is holiday on that date, meaning it has now been moved back to October 29th.  The availability of suitably senior judges to hear the case on alternative dates was also a factor.

As you know, the appeal was ordered to be heard by Lord Justice Hickinbottom who said that the legal challenge “potentially raises fundamental issues concerning the proper spheres for democratically-accountable Ministers of the Government and judges”.

We are all naturally incredibly frustrated that the hearing will be delayed, especially give Lord Justice Hickinbottom’s direction that the case needed to be heard quickly. The case is of the utmost importance to the entire nation and we believe that further delays only highlights the Government’s inability to face up to its decisions. 

The better news is that the delay will mean that the appeal will be held in person, rather than virtually as all previous stages have been. 

We have seen in recent weeks that the Government, by its own admission, is willing to break the law. It cannot be allowed that these actions go unchecked and I urge everyone to consider the ramifications which the lockdown has had on our freedoms and liberties. 

In the meantime, we will continue to fight to expose the dangerous and damaging impacts the Government’s lockdown strategy has had on the entire nation and I would urge you to join our fight by signing up to https://www.keepbritainfree.com

The convenience of the delay for the Government, which won’t risk its ludicrous measures being challenged for a further month, is more than a little suspicious, particularly when the speed with which Gina Miller’s Brexit appeal was heard shows what lawyers and judges can do when they really want to. Worried, Boris?

Health Minister: “Not Appropriate” To Get Tested Before Visiting Elderly Relatives

James Bethell: “It is not an appropriate use of government test and trace capacity for relatives to use test and trace as a convenient method to find out whether they have the disease before they go to see relatives.”

Lockdown Sceptics reader Lord Richard Balfe has written to tell us about about the shocking answer he received from Lords Health Minister James Bethell in the chamber on Wednesday to his question about testing.

Yesterday in the Lords I asked James Bethell our Lords Minister whether the Department would give some priority for testing “to the relatives of people in care, so that they can be tested and go in and see their loved ones?”

Bethell replied, “I want to clarify with my noble friend that it is not an appropriate use of Government test and trace capacity for relatives to use test and trace as a convenient method to find out whether they have the disease before they go to see relatives.

The full exchange can be found in Lords Hansard column 1285 for September 16th, which is available online.

I think the sheer callousness of the Government came through in the use of the word “convenient”.

So as we run up to Christmas with many old people having been isolated from family for months the Government believes that helping relatives to see their incarcerated relatives is an unacceptable use of convenient facilities.

I truly believe that without a shred of compassion they are getting near to openly running “death camps”. Certainly there is a level of misery and despair being promoted which makes me ashamed to be called a Conservative.

Surely, any sensible strategy involves protecting vulnerable people whilst allowing low risk people to go about their normal lives and build up a collective immunity (which then protects the vulnerable). Thus getting a test ahead of visiting shielding parents and grandparents is exactly when most people should be getting tested (if at all), rather than all the time, as per the Government’s Operation Moonshine.

Lockdown Sceptics a “Danger To Us All” Says Times Columnist

Lockdown zealot Times columnist David Aaronovitch has written a column entitled “Covid libertarians are a danger to us all” about why he thinks “Boris Johnson is right and Lord Sumption is wrong”.

So exercised is Aaronovitch by Lord Sumption’s position that he tries to take it apart point by point. He fails miserably, of course. But it’s worth looking at his attempted take down because of what it tells us about the minds of those who believe the Government is right to carry on suppressing the virus indefinitely.

Aaronovitch starts by agreeing with Lord Sumption that herd immunity either through a vaccine or infection is the only real endgame. However, unlike Sumption, who points out that we are only delaying things with social distancing, Aaronovitch agrees with the “scientific community advising the Government” which believes that “it’s more important to slow the spread so that the health service can cope”. It’s all about keeping infection rates from “increasing exponentially” and buying time “before the vaccine arrives”.

He buys completely the Ferguson line that without social distancing the death toll would have been over 200,000: “Mass graves, coffins filling those nice new lorry parks and hospitals unable to take any other patients.” The irony, of course, is that it was precisely because of this kind of hysteria, whereby the Government wildly over-estimated the likely demand for critical care, that hospitals didn’t take other patients, leaving up to 16,000 people dead for want of medical attention with many more to come. In fact, the Government is about to ask hospitals to clear their beds again ahead of the second wave. Will they never learn?

Aaronovitch also appears blissfully unaware that almost all of his points can be countered with a single word: Sweden. How do we know not locking down doesn’t lead to apocalypse? Sweden. How do we know infections and deaths don’t keep on going until lorry parks are rammed with coffins? Sweden. How do we know our health service wouldn’t have been overwhelmed absent a lockdown: Sweden. Look: no lockdown, no apocalypse. But for some reason I can’t quite fathom Sweden doesn’t get a single mention in his article.

He says he “cannot see a reason” why the growth rate of deaths in early April “wouldn’t have continued”. Again, may I point you to Sweden? And also, Professor Carl Heneghan, who pointed out back in April that the deaths in London peaked way too soon for the lockdown to be credited with bringing the epidemic under control. Even Chris Whitty has acknowledged this. As in other places, it appears to have reached a natural limit (arguably helped by the pre-lockdown voluntary social distancing).

Against the idea of people choosing their own level of risk, he argues that all older people are more vulnerable to some degree and we can’t protect them all – parents of teenage children, for instance. It seems that no level of risk is acceptable to him. He concludes by arguing that “winter is coming, and if we want open schools and a half-normal life, and not have friends and relatives choking their last in ICUs, then there will have to be trade-offs”.

It is illuminating to see the statistically illiterate risk-aversion of the lockdown zealots spelled out so clearly. For all the suspicions about the cynical motives of those pushing the lockdown line – and I don’t doubt there are some who have no intention of letting a good crisis go to waste – it shows that many are just blocking out the evidence that counters their entrenched positions. They genuinely believe that going back to normal would lead to a new wave far bigger than anything we (or anyone) has seen so far, and that therefore all the pain is worth it. How do you break through such delusion?

Stop Press: According to YouGov, public approval of the Government’s handling of the crisis is at its lowest point so far: -33 compared to -18 last week. The testing fiasco must be a big part of that, given the Government’s repeated claim that mass testing is the way out for the UK. (Demand for tests now that schools are back outstrips supply three to four times over.) Recent Government focus groups reportedly discovered that a common complaint is the lack of a long-term plan for Covid. No kidding. What is the plan, Boris? Intermittent lockdowns to “control” the virus until we have a vaccine? But even the WHO has warned a vaccine is unlikely to be a silver bullet. Perhaps plummeting public support will focus the minds.

A University Worse Than Cambridge on Covid?

An inmate of the University of Galway is unsure if she is sufficiently socially distanced to keep her place

Following our story yesterday about Covid prison camp Trinity College Cambridge, a reader has been in touch about similar goings on across the Irish Sea.

Something similar has just happened in the University of Galway in Ireland. Simeon Burke a 2nd year Law Student from the County Mayo town of Castlebar stood against it.

Students at NUI Galway have been informed they must sign a pledge called the ‘Community Promise’ or be thrown out of the university.

This pledge means signing away your rights, disclosing personal health data, getting a #COVID19 test if instructed, and ‘changing your behaviour’.

Simeon Burke has managed to get the University authorities to tone down the strength of the demands. Earlier this week when asked to comment, a spokesman for NUI Galway confirmed the community promise was now a “voluntary public commitment” and separate to registration.

I think the advocates for liberty at Trinity College, Cambridge should take heart, and perhaps might even benefit from contacting directly Mr Simeon Burke. His Facebook page is here and his Twitter feed is @voteforsimeon.

When Will the Government Take Pre-existing Immunity Seriously?

A brilliant piece appeared in the Telegraph yesterday by Professor Michael Levitt and colleagues giving the most convincing explanation yet as to the behaviour of the virus around the world. Entitled “Let’s stop the continued self-destruction and test for Covid immunity“, it boasts an impressive list of authors. Alongside Michael Levitt (Nobel laureate and Stanford Professor) there is: Dr Uri Gavish, bio-medical consultant; Professor Udi Qimron, Head of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University; Professor Eyal Shahar, epidemiologist at the University of Arizona; and Dr Ifat Abadi-Korek, Research Director at the Assuta Medical Center.

Clinically skewering the implausible theories of the lockdown zealots, they write:

China, a country of almost a billion and half people, eventually registered less than 5,000 deaths, and South Korea (51 million people) – about 300. The obvious explanation for those negligible mortality rates – highly prevalent pre-existing immunity – was widely ignored. The world chose to believe that the tough lockdown in Wuhan, along with restrictions in other parts of China, somehow eradicated the virus.

The miracle in South Korea was explained by extensive testing and contact tracing, which wondrously succeeded, for the first time in medical history, to arrest the spread of a respiratory, often asymptomatic, infection. Over 125 million Japanese would later see about 1,500 deaths, with neither lockdown nor much testing. That was explained by order and discipline, or face masks, or bowing instead of hand shaking.

By the beginning of April, comprehensive PCR tests for COVID-19 were conducted in small confined populations, such as naval and cruise ships. The fraction of infected people often did not exceed 20%. Given the rapid spread of the infection in these environments, it was far more likely that testing was conducted after the maximal rate of infection had been reached rather than, say, when the outbreak just started.

Similarly, an antibody survey in early April in the town of Gangelt, Germany found that only 14% had been infected. Again, pre-existing immunity was the most likely explanation. 

They go on to examine instances where the antibody rate has been found to be above 20%, attributing them to poor living conditions weakening the immune system enough to mean even those with pre-existing immunity are infected sufficiently to produce antibodies. They conclude:

Any rational government should urgently invest effort in conducting surveys of cross immunity and other types of preexisting cellular immunity, which cost next-to-nothing compared to the funds spent on PCR testing, contact tracing, and of course, lockdowns.

In short, it is extremely likely that most of us are at least partially immune to COVID-19. Let’s accept this fact and try to quantify it. Continued self-destruction is a bad alternative. 

Well worth reading in full.

The Vaccine Swindle

Barry Norris sets out his case on Sky News

Lockdown Sceptics reader Barry Norris was on Sky News this week talking about the problems with pinning all our hopes on a vaccine. He’s also written a blog series about it.

There is a widespread and dangerous assumption that a return to normality will only be possible with – and will immediately follow – the approval of a SARS-2/Covid vaccine. Economic destruction from needless lockdowns was a direct consequence of the initial misdiagnosis of Covid as a second “Spanish Flu”. Now in the absence of a credible escape route from their Covid infection suppression policy, the same blundering governments – led by the wrong scientific advisers – look to a vaccine as an alluring overnight solution. This is at best naïve, probably preposterous, and in the hands of policy makers – deep in a lockdown hole of their own making – invites further disaster. In short, these great expectations for vaccines threaten more hard times ahead.

Covid has always been uniquely unsuited to a vaccine solution: it is relatively harmless for most of the population (hence the dubious necessity for mass vaccination) but poses a statistically significant mortality risk for a small cohort of the population with impaired immune systems, evidenced not only by the median age of death (82 years) but more significantly, the presence of comorbidities (90%+ cases).1 Vaccines are designed to elicit a specific antibody response from the immune system: it is widely recognised that their efficacy is significantly diminished in the old and sick.2 A Covid vaccine has therefore always been most likely to boost the immunity of the population who were only ever at risk of an asymptomatic infection, with the additional risk for previously healthy adults and children of unknown potentially severe vaccine side-effects, particularly antibody dependent enhancement (ADE).3

Although I do not consider myself an “anti-vaxxer”, I will be content to be at the back of the queue for any SARS-2/Covid vaccine.

Worth reading in full.

“Government are using a COVID-19 test with undeclared false positive rates”

https://youtu.be/Ch7wze46md0

Dr Mike Yeadon appeared on talkRadio yesterday to discuss the problems with the PCR test.

And Toby appeared on the same station talking about his recent confession that he was wrong to back Boris.

Round-Up

  • “Hospitals told to clear beds for coronavirus spike in two weeks” – Here we go again
  • “RECOUNT Coronavirus Scotland: Number of Covid hospital patients slashed from 262 to just 48 as stats overplayed by 80%” – After Scotland adjusted its method of counting Covid hospital patients yesterday, the numbers fell by 80%
  • “The Covid hysteria is getting worse” – Lionel Shriver says what we’re all thinking in the Spectator
  • “Delusional Covid ‘suppression’ strategy has sent us into a downward spiral” – Sherelle Jacobs in the Telegraph on the Government’s deadly fantasies of controlling this virus
  • “As a black man, it is now almost impossible to stand up to the Black Lives Matter agenda” – Calvin Robinson in the Telegraph cuts through the nonsense to argue that the BLM narrative is “both factually untrue and damaging to racial relations”
  • “WHO’s own document recommending face masks said there was very little evidence for them” – Hector Drummond on the curious case of the evidence-free mask endorsement
  • “An enemy hath done this” – Michael Hurley suspects something sinister beneath the chaos and incompetence
  • “A second lockdown is an overeaction to what is a ripple, not a wave” – Ross Clark gets the diagnosis right in the Telegraph
  • “How Bolton only has TWO COVID-19 patients in hospital despite being England’s locked-down virus hotspot” – The Mail expresses scepticism about the restrictions imposed on Bolton yesterday

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

One today: “Everything I want To Do Is Illegal” by Massacres.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Unmasked

https://vimeo.com/457759052/b06773463e

Toby’s friend Roger Bowles, with whom he made a 15-minute film about Brexit in 2016, is making a documentary about Covid called Unmasked: The Virus and the Disease. He’s looking to include stories from ordinary people – like you and me, dear reader – about how they’ve been affected by the pandemic. Message from Roger below.

Unmasked: The Virus and the Disease will be a feature-length documentary that will follow the progress of Corona from its sensational debut in January as the only player on the world stage, through those salad days of early Lockdown and clapping the NHS, and into the autumn as we try to navigate our way through contradictory rules and ranks of “Covid Marshals” towards our doubtful economic future. The narrative will be told through contributions from experts, footage from the mainstream and alternative media, and – crucially – through the stories and experiences of ordinary people.

We are seeking contributors who are willing to speak on camera about their experiences, particularly the impact that Lockdown and other measures have had on them or their loved ones. All submissions will be dealt with in strict confidence and if it is necessary to protect identities we will do so.

We are also looking for material – video, photos, letters, emails, recordings – that evoke the strangely heightened experiences of this socially distanced year.

The film’s tone will be reflective and, where possible, lighthearted, seeking to balance the seriousness of the main theme, so we are looking for uplifting stories too.

As we move around the country filming over the next few weeks we will be putting out calls for certain kinds of stories or material, or announcing that we are visiting particular places. It would be hugely helpful if you could follow us, like our posts and tweets, comment, and share them if you can.

I’ve already set up a Website, as well as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube channels. I’ve also set up a GoFundMe if you would like to help finance the film.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

No, you’re not first.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Damned close, though!

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I wake up in despair every morning with with the terrible damage being done to our country by the continuing Covid restrictions.

The are so many reputable Doctors and professors who have been talking out about the lockdown, Dr John Lee, . (Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist.) in the Spectator, Professor Karol Sikora, Professor Carl Heneghan, The former scientific advisor at Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon 
Dr Mike Yeadon: ‘Government are using a Covid-19 test with undeclared false positive rates.’

The former scientific advisor at Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon was interview by Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio yesterday – says it all
The interview is online

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

This does not matter one little bit..People have made their mind up..It’s the Plague, end off!! And anybody that disagrees is a conspiracy theorist, anti masker, covid non believer…I now stopped watching TV as this morning Hankcock was on BBC telling us that second wave is coming in 2 weeks, clear the hospitals, it will be worst than ever. And the presenters just nodded, no questions , no challenge? I sometimes regret even waking up

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Hancock and Johnson are guilty of mass murder and should be dealt with accordingly.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

They would likely plead ‘Just following orders’. I know that was not accepted as a valid defence at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials, now, as we are one of the ‘Exceptional Regimes’, it would be sufficient to get the cases thrown out, without even the necessity of the perps naming who they took orders from.
Britain now remands people who are not indicted, in Maximum Security hellhouses like Belmarsh, at the behest of the US requesting their extradition, for exposing War Crimes, whilst accepting the brushing under the carpet of US and British War Crimes. Free Julian Assange! The case will continue in it’s 4th (and final?) week at the Old Bailey tomorrow, so if you are a Londoner or within striking distance, join the Demo outside the Old Bailey from 09:00 Monday 28 September.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Interesting how lockdown advocates wake up in despair at getting the virus while lockdown skeptics wake up in despair of the lockdown. Lots of despair going around…

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

My despair is brought about by the braindead masses who still can’t see that Johnson and Hancock deserve to be swinging from the end of a rope.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

It seems to want mass death and doom.. why?

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  David Grimbleby

That is because they have a NWO Agenda to push, under cover of the ‘dire emergency’ that has been ‘created’ and then magnified through the tame MSM.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

One of those doctors speaking out was handcuffed and arrested yesterday at Trafalgar Square. Will the Medical Establishment come out in his support, or condemn him with their indifference, like the NUJ has with Julian Assange?

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

20,000 in care homes did not die of Covid-19, but they did die of “Covid-19” to create a scary death toll. Cue the whitewash.

Covid-19: utterly false perception of great danger created by letting some old and ill people die

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  PWL

Or rather, deliberately creating the circs in which they were highly likely to die. Our ‘Leaders’ are soul-sold Sociopaths, paying Lucifer for the power and wealth they have gained in the deal with OUR lives and freedoms. As they say, ‘So mote it be’.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

David Aaronovitch is saying about sceptics what I would expect him to say about sceptics. He reflects the views of the British deep state, just like he always has on a rnage of issues, including Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Time once was when I would have paid attention to the opinions of this man.

Now he joins the chorus of irrelevant windbags vomiting lies in defence of a broken and failing system.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

It’s the same as all these journalists attacking working from home a few weeks back – how many of them traipse into an office every day?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Exactly. He’s OK -bet he has no mortgage, lives in a lovely house in a nice part of London or in the shires, has savings and investments. If everything collapsed tomorrow, he’ll still be OK so he doesn’t care.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

He’s no different to the wealthy boomers who still keep on going that we should have lockdown harder and earlier and sundry. They all have the “I’m alright Jack” mentality.

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Alison9
Alison9
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I recognise this type too. They don’t seem to have much imagination to consider what the world might look like when friends, neighbours, relatives, their children are all hugely impacted by this – they lack real empathy whilst telling themselves and others that they care.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Alison9

Hear hear. I openly identify as a libertarian, which, if you believed the MSM, means I don’t care about anyone else and would leave people to die at the side of the road.

Strange, then, that amongst my family, I am the one shouting out against the excessive damage that will be done to society and those put out of work due to these measures, yet all of my centrist/lefty family members are all lockdown supporters, even when this damage is pointed out to them.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

The Left was once a danger to the Establishment, and so was infiltrated and emasculated. Now the real Left is but a pale shadow of former times.
As for Starmer, Trilateral Commission member and enemy of Corbyn should suffice, as well as his support from the media.
The Left has been nobbled.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Alison9

Agree. They will say “I’m sorry” when you point out how you or others are struggling but that’s just about it. It’s all crocodile tears

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Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Don’t fall into giving sweeping statements about particular age demographics. There are plenty of “boomers” and older who strenuously object to any such lockdown, on the basis that we’re responsible adults who don’t wish to spend the limited time we have left locked up at home. We may be in the more vulnerable category, but we’ll take the risk.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Apologies, the reason why I said “wealthy” boomers is because they’re the ones who I have encountered to be the most rabid lockdownistas and their “concern” for others is only skin deep.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Yep, I’m definitely in that category and agree with you. I’ve been on the last two Demos at Trafalgar Square.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

He won’t necessarily be OK, as he is clearly a collaborator and should be dealt with as such.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Aaronovitch

Yep, he’s a scrote of the first water.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Why expect anything different from a lackey like Aaronovitch?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Yes, he probably picks up a nice little cheque from MI5/6. He has been a dead loss for decades.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago

Hospitals told to clear beds?
Like clear out anyone who dares not to be suffering from almighty covid and send them packing?
Or maybe just clear off the beds that are sitting empty which could use a good change of the sheets?

I have successfuly avoided any MSM over here in Canada of late but sometimes the crap still squeaks through. I turned on my PC just now and some silly Microsoft news update managed to open on the screen and the messiah “Doctorer” Fauci says that the coming vaccine has to be taken by enough people for it to become efficient.

If it doesn’t work surely the blame can be placed on those who never took it. Boy I can’t wait to be a murderer again next year…unmasked and vaccine free?? He must hang!!

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Unsanitised, unchecked, untraced, unmasked, untested and unvaccinated.

My goal in life is now reduced to remaining to be all of the above. In so doing I become a complete social outcast. Good.

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Rosser
Rosser
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Lol! Totally agree, although I do like my hands to be clean!

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosser

Not every 5 minutes with toxic chemicals though. A couple of times per day with soap and water is more than enough. As I am living in complete isolation, I make a point of not doing so in order to keep my immune system functioning.

The cretins that follow all the Covid Cult rituals do not have long left. They are desperately ill mentally and will become terminally ill physically within a year or so. All of this will be blamed on us of course. I welcome such criticism from the undead. It means I am still human.

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Thinkaboutit
Thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

A few years ago we came into contact with a canine superbug. Researching how to keep the place clean, e.g. around dog bowls etc, the best strategy was hot soapy water for face and hands. A dash of bleach on door knobs, but not people or dogs. Simple and effective.

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Did you write that or did I?

Scary to think you have tapped into my thoughts!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosser

1960’s childhood.
Wash before getting dressed. Wash hands after clearing grate and starting coal fire before breakfast.
Wash hands before leaving for school.

(here be dragons)

Wash hands on return home. Wash hands before Tea and before going down the park with mates.
Wash hands on return home and again before bedtime.

“New Normal” ? I don’t think so.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

70’s childhood, never wash hands, ever. Only in the shower. Fifty years later never wash hands, ever, only in the shower. Never had a sickness bug of any kind. The oil on your skin protects you from the bugs that sink into like a fly stuck in amber from a tree. Washing your hands will leave you open to infection by washing away the oil with toxic chemicals that they say protect you and keep you clean. As ever in the upside down world it’s always the opposite of what they say.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Young man [after seeing Churchill leave the bathroom without washing his hands]: At Eton, they taught us to wash our hands after using the toilet.Churchill: At Harrow, they taught us not to piss on our hands.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Must have been the dragons at school kept me safe and is why I haven’t washed my hair with anything but tap water for thirty years (no complaints from the barber).

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yuk.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My mum always made us brush our teeth and wash our hands & face before going to bed, apart from the one or two bath nights a week. I think the main reason was we were usually sticky with eating bread & jam. I still follow these routines though I’m not so likely to be sticky.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Surely you forgot ‘wash hands after going to the loo’? Before the deliberately spread Covid, I was really disgusted the number of times I saw people coming out of toilet cubicles and not washing their hands. Disgusting.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosser

I avoid the gunk at all costs (unless I’m somewhere were there are no toilets or there’s no soap). Soap and water all the way!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosser

Never use sanitiser, it kills the skin’s natural defences. Use mild soap and water as necessary and don’t over do it.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’m lucky. I’m already a complete social outcast. So no change there.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Thank the gods for social outcasts, but we need a lot more of them.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

You will not be alone.

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Er … then he can’t be a social outcast 🙂

Speaking as one myself, and channelling Marx (Groucho, not Karl), I refuse to join any club that will have me as a member.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

No need to clear hospital beds, they are still largely empty. Only emergencies are being treated usually as day patients in my large regional hospital.

A sceptic woman was telling me about the decline in her father’s health following the cancelling of his treatment in March and with no appointment on the horizon.
I told her of newly diagnosed patients going straight to the front of the queue which was perhaps, in retrospect, cruel.

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Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

I didn’t think there were that many beds filled that would need clearing again.
The last emptying out of the NHS killed thousands of vulnerable elderly, not to mention all those others with life-threatening illnesses that were untreated because “Covid!!”

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Yes it’s just government showboating. It’s time though, for hospital managers and other staff to stand up and tell the government to get off their backs. That is unless they’re now hooked on murdering the old and sick.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Care Home Covid deaths.
Locally we seem to have been spared the worst. About a month into Lockdown an interactive map was published breaking ‘Covid deaths’ down by wards. Most showed one, two or even none.

Four showed ‘spikes’ of five or six Covid deaths which I know took place in three particular Care Homes (out of several dozen in the city). The other spike occurred in a sheltered housing block before Lockdown started.

Residents have also been fortunate in that garden visits have been possible since July and some care homes have made common rooms available as meeting rooms with cramped up cleaning between visits. If ours can do this why can’t others?

o/t. A nanny to two hospital surgeons told me early on that a cousins’ baby died post-natal which was put down as a Covid death but the father in law was ‘someone high in the military’ who made a fuss to have the death redesignated.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Death is now political. Such is the way of things in an authoritarian system. The influence of the state reaches beyond the grave.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

They will get their comeuppance ‘beyond the grave’, and will bitterly regret their stupidity and the evil path they chose for power and wealth.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The dirty bas*ards want lots of deaths put down to covid, to keep the fear level up and the draconian measures to ‘save’ (enslave) us coming on thick and fast.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

A Survival Guide For Decent Folk pt 2 (Originally blogged by Inspector Gadget about 10 years ago offering an insider’s advice for decent normal folk when dealing with the Police). Admit Nothing. To do anything more than lock you up for more than a few hours we need to prove a case The easiest route to that is your admission. Without it our case might be a lot weaker, maybe not enough to charge you with. In any case it is worth finding out exactly how damning the evidence against you is before falling on your sword. So don’t do the honourable and decent thing and admit what you have done. Don’t even deny it or try to give your side of the story. Just say nothing. Keep Your Mouth Shut. Say as little as possible to us. At the custody office a desk Sergeant will ask you some questions. It is safe to answer these. For the rest, say nothing. Claim Suicidal Thoughts. A debatable one this. Claiming to be thinking about topping yourself has several benefits. If you can keep it up, it might just bump up any Compensation payable later. Always always always Have A Solicitor. Duh.… Read more »

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This was one of my law school professors (civil procedure, trial practice, a few others)

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Thanks very much for that RyanM.
I had that on an external hard drive that died on me some years ago and was then unable to find it again.

10,000 Federal Crimes and that was 8 years ago.
🦞Busted 😜

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Rosser
Rosser
5 years ago

That Talk Radio interview with Mike Yeadon is superb.

A to-the-point and concise explainer, and ideal for us to use to help get the message across to non-skeptics in an efficient manner.

Reposting the link for handiness:

https://youtu.be/Ch7wze46md0

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosser

Testing is a gravy train. Massive expenditure to frighten people. Last evening I watched the Science and Technology Committee meeting –

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/52ee1eec-a2bf-403d-a27d-7bba077ebfcc –

What struck me was the emphasis on testing and the responses (except Carl Heneghan) was that we couldn’t have enough of it. They are far too narrowly focussed and although they are probably quite sincere in their aim to do the best for the country, the outcome if their recommendations are followed will be a massive wave of empire building, massive waste and massive disruption of and intrusion into the lives of ordinary people.

99% of the garbage about Sars-Cov-2/Covid-19 that people are being subject to around the world would disappear if the early treatment with with Hydroxychloroquine were not banned by our dysfunctional ‘governments’.

https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/videos/313190119942539/

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Only a tiny proportion might need hydroxychloroquine. Covid-19 is, at a minimum, a 99% scam which is working to further Bill Gates’s depopulation agenda. Whilst those you refer to might just be sincere, those who are directing this fraud are anything but and belong in jail for mass murder. Of course, this includes Johnson and Hancock, but there are many more of similar ilk.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Yes, we both know these things, but mention BG or that the ‘government’ isn’t following the “science” and you are a conspiracy theorist.

I am working on the substance of my original comment with the intention of schooling my MP – and telling him he should vote against renewing the CV Act.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

That McHurly article was great. Forwarded to my pastor.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I sent it to the two sane clergymen I know. Our rector would die of fear if it were even suggested he should read it.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Perhaps your Rector needs a kick up the rectum to wake him up.

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Ajb
Ajb
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Very good article. Also worth reading are several on the Blogmire – Rob Slane’s thoughts there reassured me some time ago that I wasn’t losing my theological marbles!

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I agree. I am not a Christian but I respect and value people who hold fundamentally good ideas.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

I am a Christian, and know that the virus was intentionally weaponised (not to make it more deadly, but to make it spread to humans and be very contagious). There are a number of heavyweight NWO agendas it is set to push forward, including blaming China, and welching on debt as ‘compensation’, leading to increased friction and eventually war, and pushing all manner of domestic and world-wide control measures, including a cashless society, universal vaccinations, ‘track & trace’, with RFID or equivalent (they have the technology to include machine-readable info in the vaccine), the ‘Great Reset’, and arbitrary regulations they can enforce by using a totally unsuitable tool, the PCR test, which was categorically stated by the Nobel Prize-winning inventor Kary Mullis to be unsuitable for diagnostics. That was in relation to HIV/AIDS, but obviously it covers covid as well.
The reason Kary Mullis has not been kicking up a storm about it being used for covid is he (very conveniently for the PTB) ‘contracted’ pneumonia and died in July 2019 (just before the virus was spread, most likely by the US Military contingent to the Wuhan World Military Games two months later).
https://alethonews.com/2020/03/22/wuhan-outbreak-china-demands-an-honest-accounting/?  

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago

Earlier in the year, Andy Burnham said (to argue for a longer lockdown in the North West) that the peak of the epidemic appeared to be later in the North than London. The North East appears to be verifying that. So, whilst the lockdown did nothing at all in the south, because the peak was passed, it has artificially delayed some infection in the north, thus creating a ‘second wave’. The ‘second wave’ wasn’t planned as such, but it was expected because that’s what lockdown was bound to do. Even the government scientists clearly know that. If, as previously stated, the purpose of lockdown was to ‘flatten the curve’ and enable the NHS to cope, I think many of us could see some very short term logic to that as a holding strategy while other provisions were put in place. They should have included the ability to cope with all serious illnesses, not just this one. However, the Nightingale hospitals were created and mothballed, presumably because they had no staff, and patients are now apparently being cleared out of mainstream hospitals again to make way for the ‘second wave’. It seems that nothing has been learned. Whilst few of us… Read more »

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Why would you not want to move to a market health system?

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

‘The Netherlands have had the top spot in Europe for 5 years in a row thanks to their excellent outcomes, prevention, patient information and patient rights and this is a situation which is likely to continue in the long term.’

https://www.stmarkshospital.org.uk/best-ranking-healthcare-systems-in-europe/

‘The co-op is a microcosm of health care in the Netherlands: a complicated machine with many moving parts, providers working in concert to deliver medical care to their patients. The Netherlands leans on private actors — private insurers, independently employed doctors, privately owned nonprofit hospitals — to provide health care. But it also places strict regulations on the health sector to achieve the goals of affordability and access. That balance of market principles and close government regulation has created a health care system that seems to work well for the Dutch.’

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/17/21046874/netherlands-universal-health-insurance-private

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

I think a balance is the right answer. For those with chronic conditions a purely market-led system is unlikely to work, because insurers invariably try to avoid anyone who is likely to cost them money. For example, the insurance we have to back up our mortgage specifically excludes critical cover for my wife because of her PKD.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

The health insurance system in Ireland covers pre-existing conditions after a set period (IIRC 5 years of coverage). It is also community rated – you pay the same price regardless of age as long as you took out cover before turning 35.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

That could work, but if you shifted to the system you’d need transitional arrangements for all those who were already over 35.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

When the age 35 sign up limit was introduced, it was preceded by a long notice period advising people to sign up for insurance before the date of introduction, thereby allowing people to do so.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Take a look at the US ‘Heath System’. Horror stories abound, but a fairly recent case I read of was a woman who got her leg caught between a station platform and a train. She had a bone protruding through her skin, but begged people not to call an ambulance because she could not afford it.
Health insurance is prohibitively expensive and often has all sorts of small print ‘exceptions’.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Basically, we ‘would you not want to move to a market health system’ because we are not stark raving lunatics, or money-hungry extortionists.
Britain was a world leader with our NHS, built by Socialists after the war. Built for the people, not for profit. The vast majority of Brits want it to stay that way, and those who understand it is being ‘asset stripped’ are furious.
Let those who want a private health system build one up themselves, and not decimate and asset strip our NHS, built up by the people’s taxes since 1948.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

London got Covid first because of Heathrow/Gatwick, spreading rapidly because of the underground and general crowding; the Covid, as you say, was already past its worst when lockdown was introduced.
Therefore London is far less likely to have a Second Wave than areas where people were hiding when Covid called.

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Thinkaboutit
Thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I feel it’s a crime against humanity, though whether it fits into that legal definition I don’t know. Certainly restrictions are disproportionate.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes I should have said “Second Wave” and I moved into the ‘it’s not about a virus’ camp a while back
I’ll check that Lionel Shriver quote later.

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Sceptical Lefty
Sceptical Lefty
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Herd immunity is being criticized by our right wing government as well as the left. It is so dangerous to have no political opposition in Parliament and I think they helps to explain the growth in belief in conspiracy theories

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Lefty

Yes, people are all too slowly waking up to the reality of the ‘so-called’ ‘conspiracy theories’ which surround and control us.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Don’t be afraid of accepting ‘conspiracy theories’. they are all too real, and all too prevalent. There is a NWO plan to enslave survivors of their wars and artificially concocted famines and pandemics in a One World Government Gulag.
Check out: ‘53 Admitted False Flag Attacks’:https://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

The Nightingale hospitals were lacking patients not staff. Indeed you seem to have swallowed large chunks of the official narrative to come up with your pro lockdown theories. Look after the frail and old, while everybody else gets on with life without senseless restrictions is the only sane approach. Johnson’s corrupt government has done neither of these things.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

The solution was to elect Jeremy Corbyn, who would have protected the NHS. As it is, by massive chicanery and dastardly lying smears which the MSM massively magnified, as well as ‘Security Services’, military ‘Fake News’ set-ups, Foreign interference and backstabbing on a massive scale within the ‘Labour Party’, Jeremy was scuppered and the jerk elected, who despite his copious worthless promises continues to continue the destruction of our NHS, which has been going on at least since Tony Bliar.
Don’t expect any effective fight-back from Bliar Mk. 2, the Trilateral Commission member Starmer.
Save Our NHS!
Indeed it should be headed by professionals, but not by professional businessmen, especially Yanks who only want to carve it up and serve it piecemeal to their fellow US corporations.
It should be owned by the country, and ring-fenced against predatory corporations, domestic and foreign.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the roundup
Daily Mail ‘how Bolton Hospital only has two Covid patients’.

Overwhelmingly sceptic comments on a wide range of subjects.
Favourite ‘worst voted’
“Terrible news we should get back to full lock down and extend my furlough…”
Response ‘lazy erse get back to work’.

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago

Oh!……..Is that the same David Aaronovitch who wrote in 2003: “If nothing is eventually found, I – as a supporter of the war – will never believe another thing that I am told by our government, or that of the US ever again. And, more to the point, neither will anyone else.’

Fool me once……… 

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Excellent! I’d forgotten that.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Aaronovitch has apparently written a book called
Voodoo Histories: the role of Conspiracy Theory in Modern History.
His next book ought to be entitled Voodoo Epidemics.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Brilliant

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

This joins the list of reasons I feel vindicated for cancelling my Times subscription.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Can’t read the DT. any. longer because of paywall ( cancelled my subscription when they started publishing cosy articles about how to make your very own face nappy out of an old sock). Just recently I’ve found that I can’t even access comments below an article any more.
But zI can read the headlines, and this one. would have made my mind boggle if it was still capable of doing so:

Exclusive: Test and Trace system could be outsourced to Amazon, secret plans reveal
Anybody got the details?

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hi Annie. It says that there are plans to put management of the end-to-end supply chain out to tender and companies such as Amazon and DHL are thought to be likely to have the required logistics expertise

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Don’t like the idea of making Jeff Bezos any richer – he’s already made even bigger profits than usual from this whole episode..

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

There’s a difference between someone getting richer because they’re manipulating matters to ensure it and someone who’s getting richer simply because they’re well-placed to benefit from a policy they don’t control. Tax matters aside, I have no problem with Amazon – I’ve been a customer since before most people knew they existed, back when they only sold books and used to send you mugs and jenga sets for Christmas as a thank-you for being a customer.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

It’s worse than that, one of the ancillary aims of the Covid scam was to enrich global capitalists like Bezos, at the expense of small businesses and everybody else of course. I wonder how this became a part of Johnson’s agenda. It smells, just like everything else about our highly corrupt government.

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

why not get Amazon to run the whole country and parliament – couldn’t do a worse job surely 🙂

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

If they were paying tax that ‘might’ be defensible!

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

They are paying tax.
Remember tax is paid on profit not turnover.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Corporations have ways and means to avoid the vast majority of taxes.
Just as an example, let’s say you run a Corporation and owe £10 million tax for the year. Would you rather pay the £10 million, or give a £500,000 ‘donation’ to the Tory Party? Should be enough to have the tax people kept off investigating your £150,000 tax offer.
I remember years ago reading that in that particular year, BP had paid less tax than the nurses in one large London hospital. Then there are the ‘Tax Havens’.
But you are likely to read far less about them than about ‘benefits cheats’ in the MSM – I wonder why?

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Member of the Government aren’t paying tax, just look at the Panana Papers.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Give us Jeremy, the guy the PTB couldn’t stand to such a degree they pulled out all the stops to scupper him.
They cannot stand an honest man, especially if he is a fighter for the workers, justice and anti-war.
They fawn over corrupt, bribable or blackmailable scumbags, and ensure they get ‘elected’.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It sounds as good an idea as everything else that is going on, indeed I understand they have already recruited Inspector Gadget to make sure it works well.

“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”

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2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Here on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/iuunj6/exclusive_test_and_trace_system_could_be/

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Strange Days
Strange Days
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Something in the Mail as well, but details are thin, a sidebar in the article below

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8745707/Hospitals-warned-clear-beds-brace-rise-coronavirus-patients-TWO-weeks.html

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Strange Days

Maybe they are about to launch another ramped-up (‘mutated’) virus, to keep the scam on the boil. They are perfectly capable of it.

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

yes i noticed the comments are now turned off for most articles unless you’re a subscriber. It’s a shame as interesting to read people’s comments until they disintegrate into personal abuse then exit quickly! But I guess it’s challenging times for the papers as revenue is probably reduced with less sales and trying to encourage subscriptions.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

More like they want to reduce the total number of comments in order to reduce the workload for the 77th brigade..

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

I haven’t bought ‘newspapers’ for years (or rather, EXTREMELY infrequently), since I woke up to the truth of 9/11. I used to buy the Guardian about 5 times a week, regularly. I realised it had become just a government propaganda rag, like all the rest. Not even good for wrapping up fish and chips, or for use as toilet paper.

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djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Amazon deliver the home-based tests already. Surely one would want people with logistics expertise to do logistics?

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  djaustin

The tests are totally unreliable, and the ‘figures’ can be used to show whatever the government wants them to show.
The PCR test is not suitable for diagnostics, period.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They already send out home kits. I had one from them.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago

On the subject of immunity when I was a kid in the 50s, it was the norm for us to be trotted round to play with any other kid in the village who had measles, german measles, whooping cough, mumps, whatever else was doing the rounds. The idea being of course that we might catch it and build up our own immunity, there being no vaccinations for these things in those days.

I guess today’s parents would have a fit at the idea of doing such a thing but it was obviously a widespread practice. Anyone else remember such a childhood?

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Catherine
Catherine
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

I’m a 70’s kid but my son is studying WW2 so we watched a bit of ‘How we used to live 1936-54’ this week (a programme made for schools that I watched in primary school). They are repeatedly talking about closing the school because of some illness or other doing the rounds!
I remember having mumps and measles though- and I survived!

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  Catherine

And no added mercury or aluminium adjuvants! No (or virtually no) autism.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Yes indeed, chicken pox parties, a sort of if you cannot beat them join them approach. I have been a bit busy to follow all the reports in detail but I think this is to some extent Prof Sunetra Gupta’s argument, during the summer when we are all fit and well and bristling with vitamin D it would have been a fair idea to let people socialise as much as possible and let SARS-Cov2 burn itself out. In fact I seem to recall that every year some children die as a result of chicken pox and so for children, chicken pox is probably as, if not more, serious than Covid 19. On the subject of immunity which Toby writes about in today’s newsletter I wonder about the interaction of testing and immunity? When it was stated that a Hong Kong man had caught Covid for a second time it then transpired that this second infection was a different strain of SARS-Cov2 but that the immunity his body had from the first infection had knocked out this second infection. If that is correct it means that with this second infection, he had picked up the virus, his immune system had knocked… Read more »

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Mr Bee
Mr Bee
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

I was a child in the 60s & experienced exactly the same. It seems this was the common sense approach to what were deemed ‘normal’ childhood diseases that everyone expected to get, recovery from, develop immunity & move on. If only the same (un) common sense applied today. In addition I don’t know anyone who ended up in hospital or didn’t make a full recovery. Bizarre reactions to a not very deadly illness that’s only dangerous to the elderly, already seriously ill or extremely unlucky few.

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Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

And it worked!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Telegraph YouTube has a survey, click if you agree
1. Another lockdown 35%

2. The government should be testing more people 19%

3. the government is overreacting keep things as they are 14%

4. We should follow Swedens model 14%

5 I agree with the rule of six 9%

25,000 votes.

I must have missed
6. It’s all a load of overblown nonsense, back to normal asap.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I would love to hear someone from the UK explain why they wouldn’t want to have followed Sweden, and wouldn’t prefer how things are in Sweden now to how they are in the UK.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

And everyone in the government too.

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Sceptical Lefty
Sceptical Lefty
5 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

And the so called opposition. There is no-one worth voting for

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james cook
james cook
5 years ago

How do we know that Boris was severely ill with Covid? I accept that he had covid, no doubt with unpleasant flu like symptoms, and was hospitalised, and also admitted to ICU. But we dont know that he was severely ill. Being admitted to ICU was precautionary as I understood it (after all he is the prime minister, so why not have him in the most specialised department) – I heard reports at the time that he was in good spirits and chatting with nurses in ICU. Why is there this assumption that he was severely ill?

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  james cook

I have always doubted this, but as they say, never let a crisis go to waste, and how they have milked his so called ‘brush with Covid’, either to justify his response to instill all the restrictions because he knows how bad it is, or worse to excuse him any damaging decisions because he is not himself. Eventually, my bet, will be he will bow out before the proverbial hits the fan, and it will not be deemed cowardly, but that he has never recovered from Covid and is leaving on health grounds.
I actually think he was more likely unwell from nervous exhaustion after Brexit , and certainly did not nearly die as they stated. Leaving hospital five days after nearly dying in ICU, I think not.

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Masquerade
Masquerade
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I actually think he was more likely unwell from nervous exhaustion after Brexit .
Judging by the way the Brexit talks are going, I think he may be due a relapse.

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

And doing press ups just a few days later too. I reckon it was down to alcoholism.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

I’ve suspected that he isn’t so much tired as hung over.

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Ricky R
Ricky R
5 years ago
Reply to  james cook

Remember when he was admitted to ICU and the whole Boris hating mob on twitter flipped and chanted that “he is a father show him respect”. I expect he likely had mild covid and his trip to hospital was either to promote compliance or because it was good for his image.

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Paul Steward
Paul Steward
5 years ago
Reply to  james cook

My partner is a nurse and has worked on ICU, he was always dubious about why BJ was in there and certain an ordinary person wouldn’t have been.

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago

You think that disgusting commie thug Aaronovich would have learnt his lesson after the weapons of mass destruction that started his beloved Iraq War turned out to be a chimera. Of course there have to be trade offs, but we should make them not the government.

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

two comments from the TELEGRAPH Joy Christopher 18 Sep 2020 6:48AM I assure you Covid isn’t a problem for those of us who work in the NHS, the Government response to it is. Only yesterday we had an edict telling us to open up and get more patients back in, which is a struggle as they’ve made us reduce bed capacity and those we have are filling up fast mainly with old folk with non-Covid chest infections and the like. . Today though, we are told clear your beds. What do they want us to do,…throw sick people out to make space? So when there is no spike in people needing hospitalisation for Covid in 2 weeks will they finally admit they’ve got it wrong and put an end to this hysteria? In the meantime We are already struggling to find enough beds in our hospital for all the poor old people who are actually sick now and the idiots in government are making it worse.  Flag 4Like Reply Second Light 18 Sep 2020 6:52AM I also work in the NHS and agree, in fact I have yet to see or know directly a case of Covid.I only know of… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

The country needs many more of these health professionals speaking out. They have been gagged despite repeated promises to protect whistleblowers.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

These NHS staff should be told that they should break ranks and tell it as they see it. By being silent, they are complicit in the Carthaginian destruction of this country.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

These health professionals are telling it as they see it, but they still believe incompetence and stupidity are the real problems. In time they may come to realise that the suffering and deaths caused by government edicts are wholly intentional.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago

The government is driving our society to a state of collective madness – We know that COVID is at worst a bit more dangerous than the flu and in any case of minimal risk to people under the age of 65. And yet we are forced to pretend it is the most dangerous threat our country has faced in peacetime. – We know that masks don’t stop viruses. We all know that touching masks while wearing them, putting them in our pockets, reusing them, all these things make the use of masks a complete farce. And yet we are forced to pretend that if we don’t wear them in shops we are putting the lives of others at risk. – We know that countries like Spain that have mandated the use of masks in all public settings for several months still have amongst the highest reported infection rates. And yet we are forced to pretend masks contribute to stopping the spread of coronavirus. – We know lockdowns don’t work (unless they are totally brutal like in Wuhan, and even then we can’t be sure). And yet we are forced to pretend they are a good tool for combating the spread of coronavirus. –… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Brilliant summary Stewart,
creating confusion by issuing contradictory and pointless instructions is a fascist way of ensuring compliance by a docile population.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I would only challenge the statement that it a ‘bit more dangerous than the flu’.
As flu affects all age groups, you could say that Covid could be considered less of a threat.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

There is no real evidence that Sars-cov-2 coronavirus actually exists. Similarly there is no proof that Covid-19 exists as anything other than rebranded influenza or an influenza type illness, that stalk us every winter. Whether or not Covid-19 really exists, it is clear that we are being scammed in an almighty manner.

It’s been apparent from almost day one of this Covid event, that the stage was being set for the arrival of the Covid-19 vaccines. Behind nearly all the frontrunner vaccines you will find the indelible fingerprints of Bill Gates. Cuddly caring Bill is actually a lifelong eugenicist and longtime advocate of global depopulation. This is Gates’s big moment and he isn’t going to waste it. We will allow ourselves to be vaccinated only at very great risk.

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Allen
Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

This is accurate. Covid is a fiction- it is no more real than the phony “war on terror.”

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Hi Stewart, would you be okay with me using this in a message to my MP asking him to oppose a second lockdown? Probably a waste of time as he strikes me as a bit sycophantic but to give him his due, although a remainer himself, his constituency voted for Brexit and he did support the ERG in opposing Mrs May’s surrender act.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Please do! Hope it helps.

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Cbird
Cbird
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Have customised and sent this to my MP (waste of time) and Sir Graham Brady. Thank you

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

Likewise customised and sent to my useless Guildford MP, Angela Richardson.
Thanks, Stewart.

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Charles Fuchter
Charles Fuchter
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Thank you, Stewart. Nailed it!

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

But when you add all that up and come to the conclusion that therefore there must be a ‘reason’ for all that and even surmise what that reason might be, they will still call you a ‘conspiracy theorist’.

Brilliant summation btw.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

It’s that final little step that’s so hard. 🙂

Folk admitting Icke has been largely correct for 25+ years has parallels to lockdown zealots admitting they’ve been wrong.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Not a fan of Icke but you are right. In the broader context he has been correct.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Hard not to be a fan of Icke, he has got it right consistently and has warned of planned events like Covid-19 for many years. People find it just too hard to accept the truly evil nature of the ruling cabal and so cognitive dissonance is the fallback position.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Yes quite so as Icke has had it nailed for years. Hopefully more will wake quickly or it will be too late. This is a fight for our very lives, though even on LS, far too few have grasped the full extent of what is going on.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The government is treating us like cattle that are on their way to the slaughterhouse. Johnson and Hancock are clearly working to further Bill Gates’s depopulation agenda. The major depopulation tool will be the several different Bill Gates’s Covid-19 vaccines, that are being readied for use across the globe.

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Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I don’t think anyone has summed up the whole farce better than this, in a single page of text! I’m going to email it to a few friends.

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Allen
Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

There is no such thing as a “covid death.” That is pure fiction.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

BBC R2 News 06.30
“Government is considering new National short term measures to control a surge in Covid cases.
Extra restrictions on hospitality venues to create a ‘Circuit Break’ in the spread of the disease.”

As the owner of a music venue operating as a bar told me yesterday, ‘We are just about ticking over but if there’s another lockdown I’m f*cked’

Way to go johnson

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Short term
Yeah.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It’s more to do with pub and restaurant closing times at present but with the threat of ‘further measures ‘ if we don’t obey all the new rules (R4 News 11am)

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Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They change the rules too quickly to even give time to judge the effect of the last lot of rules they brought in, and the way the data is recorded/reported makes it impossible to make sense of anyway, so basically the government are going to do what they like regardless of how people behave.

If everyone behaved as “model citizens” (by the government’s standards) and this behaviour actually had a significant measurable effect on “case” numbers, they would still likely be panicked into introducing yet more measures by random fluctuations in the test data.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

I have been commenting on here for five months that the only game in town is the mass killings in care homes

I regularly ask the question, who decided to move potentially infected patients out of hospitasl into care homes? What advice had that person been given?

If the advice was not to transfer patients and they did it anyway, then that warrants a manslaughter investigation

The dictatorship have run many hares in the past months in order to deflect attention away from Operation Shipman

The thirty pieces of silver pocketers (don’t know, don’t care) at the state broadcaster have duly obliged again today

Today the state has decided that the proles must discuss ‘circuit breakers’

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I have this image in my mind of Matt Lucas in his role as Marjory Doors the host of Fat Fighters

“Everybody, everybody today we are going to talk about circuit breakers, everyone, circuit breakers, circuit breakers”

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

A bossy government woman on the 11am news was saying how if the Gov does this then the public will behave like that.
Predicting our behaviour with their models like Pavlovs fucking dog.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I have in mind many people whose circuits I’d like to see permanently broken.

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago

I recommended yesterday that sceptics relocate to Texas, bigger than France, great hats…..

A reply mentioned a ‘defunding police’ policy in Austin Texas.

I did a brief search

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/08/13/austin-city-council-cut-police-budget-defund/

Lively public debate concerning police activities and city council activities, local democracy alive and well, and balanced journalism……..

Accountable police, accountable local politicians, good journalism…….?

Compare and contrast etc etc…….

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Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Or South Dakota: https://www.aier.org/article/south-dakota-americas-sweden/

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

Coronavirus: Tighter national rules considered by government https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54199642 ‘New England-wide measures which could see hospitality businesses forced to shut are being considered by the UK government to try to slow a second surge of coronavirus cases.’ Well that’s it then. Second lockdown all but confirmed. I was aware of rumours circulating of a September/October lockdown and I always thought they were rubbish because I genuinely believed the govt wouldn’t dare try another lockdown, especially one that includes economic restrictions like shutting the hospitality sector, but it appears I was wrong and I retract everything. We’ve seen graphs, we’ve seen data and evidence. ‘Cases’ are indeed going up but there are now so many scientists who are putting this data into context for us and explaining that a ‘case’ isn’t the same as an infection as well as explaining the PCR cycles which are very high and amplify almost negligible fragments of virus. Deaths are still through the floor. We are getting 4000+ ‘positives’ a day now – when we were getting those levels back in March/April, hundreds of people were dying a day with Covid but daily deaths are still in single figures alongside thousands of ‘cases’ which means that… Read more »

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

As far as I recall this Covid hoo-haa is unprecedented in that al this current action is being driven by test results and not by death or disease. If it is correct that people with a good immune response who catch and zap the virus can still test +ve, then with all the other testing issues this whole pantomime is like looking for grains of sand on the beach and then panicking when you find one.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
      Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
      Such quantities of sand:
If this were only cleared away,’
      They said, it would be grand!’

If seven maids with seven mops
      Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose,’ the Walrus said,
      That they could get it clear?’
I doubt it,’ said the Carpenter,
      And shed a bitter tear.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Great post (as usual) Poppy!

Am I a cynic thinking that this ‘convenient’ next lockdown is designed to kill off Simon Dolan’s case? It will likely have to be digital, and the government’s argument will be that ‘It is obvious that our actions are proportional to the ‘health crisis’, because, duh, we’ve had to lock down the country for a second time’…

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I definitely think it’s very convenient that the case has been delayed for an entire MONTH just because one of the ELEVEN govt lawyers has gone ‘on holiday’. I smell BS – this is a very high-profile constitutional case and with these sorts of things dates are set in the diary months beforehand. Eleven lawyers is also quite a lot, not sure why there couldn’t be a stand in. All very convenient.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Convenient isn’t the word I’d choose.

They are illustrating their power, and showing us how powerless we are in this specific arena. Taking the piss.

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Charles Fuchter
Charles Fuchter
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I am utterly stupified by the news that Simon’s case has been put back because the government now only have 11 lawyers on the case instead of 12. In 40 odd years of litigation practice I never saw such a thing. To quote one Judge, addressing a solicitor in the Central London County Court, “What? Can’t find a barrister? But there are hundreds of barristers in the Temple looking for work!”

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Charles Fuchter

Kind of tells you (as if we needed to be told) where the Court’s institutional sympathies lie on this (ie the opposite to where they lay for the Gina Miller case)

I can picture solemn conversations and agreement about how “irresponsible” it is for people to fight the government on this, now, when they are “dealing with a public health emergency” and when it will “undermine vital public compliance”, with unspoken agreement that delay would be the absolutely responsible thing to do.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Personally I don’t think its the precautionary principle gone into overdrive. This is a coup, old politics is dead and all our MPs are complicit – not necessarily wittingly.

This is a deliberate action to destroy our livelihoods to make us all dependant and cement the government of occupations control. There is nothing precautionary it is intended to cause maximum possible damage to peoples health and livelihoods while keeping people sufficiently scared and compliant that they continue to do nothing.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Wretched government woman on Jeremy Vines show just said
“we want yo keep the pubs open but people just aren’t social distancing”

JV ‘so why shut them at 10pm’

“Well we’re trying to get them out before they’re so drunk they’re falling all over each other, what else can we do?”

So there you have it folks that’s what they think of the plebs and I don’t even use pubs these days.

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JulieR
JulieR
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

There have been rumors for months about second wave in October. They planned it in advance. They are creating hysteria about cases now and will do more restrictions in October to prove they are preventing the second wave.
My friend GP has been telling me for months that they had been told to expect second wave in October.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  JulieR

Yes indeed, the second coming of Covid-19 was being announced as early as last March. At the same time we were being told even then, that a dodgy Bill Gates vaccine would be the only way to return to a new abnormality. This is a government that is manifestly corrupt and is clearly acting directly against the interests of the UK people. It needs to be sacked and its members be put on trial for treason.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

A lawyer employed by the dictatorship goes on holiday and thereby extends the life of the dictatorship

Does this lawyer have a name?

Where have they gone on holiday? Will they have to quarantine on their return?

Future Headlines

Case put back as government lawyer tests positive (x11)

Case put back as government lawyer self isolates due to family member with runny nose (x11)

Case put back as government lawyer steps on cracks in pavement (x11)

We are up to 33months without even trying

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Why should the absence of one person be a problem, surely they could still function or have a ‘stand in’. As you have stated, this has now set a precedent for abuse.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

They have a team of ELEVEN lawyers on the case apparently

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The next thing we’ll be told was that the lawyers were at Doncaster Racecourse last week!

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seeker24
seeker24
5 years ago

Song suggestion. Captain beaky and his band.

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrJO1iVUGRfnEEAARJ3Bwx.;_ylu=Y29sbwMEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj?p=captain+beaky+and+his+band&fr=yhs-avast-securebrowser&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-securebrowser#id=1&vid=eed88b85ad30e16787dd5c8cc42a9248&action=view

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

That Aaronovich article vindicated my decision to cancel my Times subscription and move to the Spectator.

The situation in care homes is a scandal but that is an ace in the arsenal of the lockdown sceptic. If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt what many of us have suspected then it will discredit the death figures even more and and prove that lockdown has been a disaster.

Keep hammering away folks!

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Indeed – my bf thinks that if there were to be a proper independent re-assessment of the ONS Covid death stats of people who died strictly OF Covid (unlikely but we can all dream) they could go down to the hundreds. I have always been suspicious of the way deaths have been recorded.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

That was what made me suspicious from the beginning because if the stats were true then we should have been seeing dead bodies all around and read about cemeteries being held up by queues to bury people. But instead they have never happened. Even as early as April, we had a work man come to fix our blinds and he was suspicious about the number of deaths. As he said “I don’t think the numbers are all true.”

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Dr Lee was saying the data was all over the place in The Spectator back at the end of March (26th I think). But you didn’t need to be a doctor in the field to recognise that, even in those far-off days. And the numbers are still garbage.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Exactly. The numbers were always off from the word go and even I a maths dunce was able to see that there was something wrong with the data.

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String
String
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

From the horse’s mouth, re: stats in care homes specifically: “The inclusion of a death in the published figures as being the result of COVID-19 is based on the statement of the care home provider, which may or may not correspond to a medical diagnosis or test result, or be reflected in the death certification.“

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/publicationofstatisticsondeathsinvolvingcovid19incarehomesinenglandtransparencystatement

Now bear in mind, as good as a great many of them are, care home staff are not often medically trained, nor are they generally expected to be experts in death certification. Furthermore, their guidance is likely to come from nothing more than a weekly phone call from a GP. Guidance to GPs from NHS England specifically mentions identifying possible covid-19 patients via weekly check-ins “primarily remotely.” The nurse on the KBF video the other day confirms this was her experience.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/COVID-19-response-primary-care-and-community-health-support-care-home-residents.pdf

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

How can there be any reasonable doubt?
Unless you are a holocaust denier.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well you know what the lockdownistas and mask zombies will be like.

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Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago

I have maintained from day one that this situation is being maintained in order to force through COMPULSORY vaccination and its astronomical bonanza for Big Pharma and Pharma’s political and scientific minions (Hancock, Whitty, Ferguson et. al.)

That is stomach-turning enough.

However, not only is any rushed vaccine likely to be highly dangerous (and would you want a eugenicist psychopath, Bill Gates, to oversee any vaccination programme for YOUR children and grandchildren?):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh_bR0PXgAAhJt5?format=jpg&name=small

– but compulsory vaccination is also the technical mechanism for absolute, totalitarian control of earth’s citizens by the globalist elite. Ultimately, THIS is what we’re up against:

https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Just read the article on the biochip, was looking forward to my weekly breakfast treat of bacon, but now have lost my appetite.
On the matter of the workers in China, I assume Apple, is as per the company, my goodness those poor people, and yet all the woke crowd can rant on about is injustices from centuries ago while using their Apple devices.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

A bacon sarnie cures all ills, Nsklent – go for it !

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Agree Gracie – even many on LS denounced this view but now it becomes more evident to many people

Vaccines and health passport that can be controlled by government and other parties. Be scared

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Will send the biochip article to my MP.
There is no explanation for 95% of world government’s current lunacy.
All MPs should be made aware of this possibility.

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Doctor Y
Doctor Y
5 years ago

Really disappointed by this stance above:
“Thus getting a test ahead of visiting shielding parents and grandparents is exactly when most people should be getting tested, rather than all the time”

No no no no no no no. I thought LS understood that the whole reason we are in this fucking current mess is that we keep testing people who aren’t ill. There is no Good evidence that asymptomatic people spread disease. We absolutely need to stop this charade of testing well people. They need to be told to avoid care homes unless 100% well and take care to be strict with hygiene.
Come on Toby and team, you’re better than this. Yes the government are being imbeciles but 230,000 – 280,000 tests per day is actually plenty if we screened those who wanted a test properly.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Doctor Y

Isn’t it the inappropriate (dishonest?) interpretation of that testing which is the problem?

I’ve had a random test offer come through the post, and am ignoring it. Much as I hate this shit show, however, if someone asked me to take an instant-result test before entering, say, a care home, I’d struggle to find reasons to refuse.

I may be wrong, but I thought an infected person could spread covid in the days before their full symptoms came out – i.e. before they knew they had it?

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Doctor Y
Doctor Y
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

The bigger studies have shown they can (but rare 1 in 415 in one study, 1 in 350 in another) but both of these people spread it to someone in their own household with extremely close contact like sharing a bed.
Even pre covid, we were advised not to get into beds at care homes…

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Doctor Y

Ok, I didn’t realise it was that small – I thought a person was infectious in the five days after they became infected – that is in the days leading up to their developing symptoms.

I’m genuinely interested in the question as to whether it would have been possible to protect our care homes better. As a society we surely have a duty to protect the vulnerable, especially the vulnerable who can’t make their own choices.

It’s a difficult balance of course – care home residents suffer greatly if they don’t get visits. I hope, but doubt, that one legacy of covid is that we can better a better understanding of this.

In short, is it possible to prevent a serious respiratory virus active in the wider population from getting into care homes? I have an open mind on this.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Don’t ignore it, test a papaya ! 🙂

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I was thinking of trying to catch a bat, but I understand it’s illegal.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Is the return address Ipsos MORI? I’ve got my second request today. Of course, I shredded the first one. This one will meet the same fate, along with the offer of a free flu jab from the NHS that I got yesterday.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Letterhead logos along the top are: Department of Health & Social Care; Imperial College London; Ipsos MORI; NHS.

Title: Take part in the Largest COCID-19 testing research study in England.

(As if you’ve won the lottery or something)

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Doctor Y

Yes don’t test BUT apparently you can’t visit your relative in a care home unless you have a negative test.

All testing should be stopped immediately as it is worthless. Imagine if we had to test for flu (as you know more people die from flu than from Covid)

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Testing as a prerequisite for visiting someone in a care home is a form of blackmail as regards the covipass..

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String
String
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

This is my thoughts… the argument ‘oh you need a test, you might be a carrier’. Well – as you say, that could easily apply to Flu; could the same argument possibly apply to: diphtheria? tuberculosis? bronchitis?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Van Morrison has written three new songs protesting against the lockdown and social distancing measures:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54194498

We need more like him to speak out.

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Rosser
Rosser
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Ah that’s it all sorted out now then 😂

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Fantastic! So sick of seeing public figures who turn out to be dupes and bedwetters.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Exactly. You can bet that a few months’ and years down the line those slebs who were bedwetters and dupes will try to delete their posts and tweets on social media defending the lockdown and advocating muzzling.

We should never let them forget their complicity in the destruction of our economy and society.

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muzzle
muzzle
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Except that BBC article is a bit ‘look how silly he is with his crazy ideas’

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Thanks this is great. Another sceptic. I can’t wait to download his songs

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’m not a huge fan of Van the Man but Astral Weeks is a classic album. Anyway he’s now gone up in my estimation. Van, Noel Gallagher, Ian Brown – the numbers are picking up. It’s a fair bet that we could posthumously add Mark E Smith.

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Rumour always had it that, though a wonderful singer, VM is something of a m*serable g*t. In this situation I reckon that’s a distinct advantage! Boris and his N*zi sidekick have certainly helped send me into a state of advanced m*serable g*tness, but have singularly failed to improve my voice. B*st*rds!

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Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago

This video by a young American medic is excellent and well worth sharing.

There is still the occasional doctor who abides by the Hippocratic Oath, even if the majority have now degenerated into servile, unthinking, obedient pushers for the Drug Lords and their patented pseudoscience pills.

https://youtu.be/T540vEvq4IQ

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Thanks Gracie – this is an Excellent, measured, articulate interview.
I wondered if he was putting his medical career at risk, so I Googled further and found him at
https://www.andrswellnessconsulting.com/about-us
How long before Youtube take down the video, though?

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