Emperor Boris Spies Second Wave; Declares War on Neptune

Today we wake with the depressing news that the Government doesn’t appear to have learnt a thing from the past six months. Here’s the Mail.
Boris Johnson last night warned that Britain was “seeing a second wave coming in” as he contemplated six months of “on-off” restrictions to tackle the upsurge in coronavirus cases.
The Prime Minister, who fears the country is six weeks behind Spain and France, said it was “inevitable” that a second wave would reach the UK.
He is now looking at six months of “on-off” nationwide restrictions amid concerns in Downing Street that the public is ignoring rules on social gatherings.
The new approach to get the country through winter would see it alternate periods of stricter measures with intervals of relaxation.
Fortnight-long “circuit breakers” would see tough restrictions introduced temporarily across the whole country to suppress the virus, before they would be lifted for a time and then re-introduced if necessary.
Measures could include bans on social contact between households, shutting down hospitality and leisure venues such as bars and restaurants, or restricting their opening hours…
Mr Johnson said last night said he was considering whether the Government needed to “go further” than the current national restrictions.
He said: “We’re looking very carefully at the spread of the pandemic as it evolves over the last few days and there’s no question, as I’ve said for several weeks now, that we could expect [and] are now seeing a second wave coming in. We are seeing it in France, in Spain, across Europe – it has been absolutely, I’m afraid, inevitable we were going to see it in this country.” Spain recorded 239 deaths in a single day this week. [They did not occur on a single day though; the maximum so far reported occurring on a single day is 81.]
The Prime Minister insisted a second lockdown was the “last thing anybody wants” but said the current measures would need to be kept “under review”.
He added: “On Monday, we brought in the measures that we did, the ‘rule of six’, to really try and restrict what people are doing and to bring in a new buffer. But the crucial thing is at the same time to observe the basic rules on social distancing – hands, face, space – that is what everybody has got to do if we want to continue to beat this thing.
“But as we look at this particular curve and what is happening now, clearly we are going to keep everything under review. I don’t want to get into a second national lockdown at all – it is the last thing anybody wants…
Earlier in the day, Matt Hancock suggested measures would need to be in place into next year.
The Health Secretary said: “The strategy is to keep the virus down as much as is possible whilst protecting education and the economy. And doing everything we possibly can for the cavalry that’s on the horizon – the vaccine and mass testing, and the treatments that, frankly, this country has done more than any other around the world to develop.”
That’s the Covid cult: an endless cycle of restrictions followed by relaxations followed by restrictions as we wait for the vaccine Messiah who never quite comes. Fraser Nelson in the Spectator suggests Boris gets on the phone to Anders Tegnell and gets some proper advice on how to handle an epidemic from someone whose results speak for themselves. As Tegnell told Andrew Neil for the all-new Spectator TV:
We looked at the [Imperial] model and we could see that the variables put into the model were quite extreme… Why did they choose variables that gave extreme results? So we were always quite doubtful. We did some work on our own that pointed in quite a different direction. In the end, it proved that our prognosis was much closer to the real situation. Probably because we used data that was coming from the actual situation, and not from some kind of theoretical model.
We used data that was coming from the actual situation, and not from some kind of theoretical model.
Someone needs to put that on a coin with Tegnell’s head on it and give it to Boris. It sums up perfectly the difference between Sweden and most of the rest of the world.
Matt Hancock: Obstinate or Innumerate?
Lockdown Sceptics contributor Mike Yeadon, formerly head of R&D at Pfizer, told Julia Hartley-Brewer on Wednesday that she should ask Matt Hancock what the false positive rate is next time he’s on her show. Well, Hancock appeared on her show yesterday morning and she put the question to him. His answer was “less than one percent”.
As Julia pointed out on Twitter, that wasn’t as reassuring as he hoped.
Matt Hancock told me on @talkRADIO that the False Positive Rate of Covid tests in the community is “under 1%”. Sounds good, doesn’t it? WRONG!
An FPR of 0.8% when the virus prevalence is so low means that at least 91% of “Covid cases” are FALSE POSITIVES.
This FPR means that thousands of the people testing positive for coronavirus in the community are NOT in fact currently infected with Covid and they CANNOT infect others with the virus. That’s why the “rising Covid cases” is not translating into mass deaths.
Oxford Uni Prof @carlheneghan has already shown that, even an FPR as low as 0.1% in community testing returns over 55% false positives.
The Government is planning to lockdown our country again when there is no evidence of a second wave.
We cannot allow this to happen.
You can read Julia’s Twitter thread here.
One alarming thing about Matt’s reply to Julia’s question is that he appears to think the false positive rate, or FPR, is the percentage of people among those who’ve tested positive who are, in fact, negative. After telling Julia that the FPR was “less than one per cent”, he went on to say: “Under one percent means that for all the positive cases the likelihood of one being a false positive is very small.” No, Health Secretary. The FPR is the percentage of all the people you’ve tested who are found, falsely, to be positive. And when the prevalence of infection is low, that means that the likelihood of a positive test result being a false positive is very high.
To illustrate this, let’s suppose that 11 in 10,000 people in England have the virus, which is what the latest ONS Coronavirus Infection Survey estimates (week of Sept 4th to Sept 10th). So according to the Health Secretary’s understanding, if the PCR test has an FPR of 0.8% and you test 10,000 people and 91 test positive, that means that 0.8% x 91 are false positives, i.e. less than one person in the 10,000 is a false positive; one out of the 91 who tested positive. But in fact the numerator is all the people you’ve tested – that’s who the FPR applies to – not just those who’ve tested positive. So the number of false positives is 0.8% x 10,000, i.e. 80 people. To be clear, 80 of the 91, not one out of the 91, are recorded as positive WHEN THEY ARE NOT. Which leaves exactly 11 ‘true’ positives. Just one in 9 of those getting a positive result actually carry the virus! In other words, because the Health Secretary appears not to understand what an FPR is, he’s over-estimating the number of true positives by ~700%.
But the number of people who should self-isolate – and hand over the details of those they’ve been in contact with to NHS Test and Trace – is actually much lower than 11 in 10,000 because about half of those 11 will be ‘cold positives’, i.e. people who test positive because they have fragments of the virus still in their systems even though they’ve long since ceased to be infectious. And 40% of the remainder will be asymptomatic – and, as we know, cases of asymptomatic secondary transmission are extremely rare. That brings the total of people who should be self-isolating per 10,000 to about three. That’s a far cry from the 91/10,000 Hancock thinks should be self-isolating. Scaling that up by the population of England, that’s about 16,800 people, or 0.03%.
Some people reading this will think the Health Secretary knows exactly how many of the people testing positive each day are false or cold positives, but is keeping this knowledge from the public for nefarious reasons. After all, it’s easier to dismiss concerns about false positives if you pretend the numerator is just those people who’ve tested positive rather than everyone you’ve tested. But what would be his motive for dismissing those concerns if he knows they’re well-founded? Might it be because it would discredit his whole approach to managing the pandemic, which is test, test and test again, and make his landmark achievement of carrying out 100,000 tests in one day a few months ago – the achievement which saved him from Boris’s axe – seem less impressive? Because he doesn’t want to undermine public confidence in the Government? Because he’s hoping to get a job with AstraZeneca when he leaves office?
I suspect his answer to Julia Hartley-Brewer wasn’t deliberately misleading; rather, he has misled himself because actually getting to grips with the FPR and thinking through its implications is much more politically perilous that saying things like, “Under one percent means that for all the positive cases the likelihood of one being a false positive is very small.”
As I’ve said before on Lockdown Sceptics, the fact that senior politicians and public health panjandrums say things that we know not to be true doesn’t mean they’re lying to us. Rather, they’re lying to themselves because it’s in their interests to do so. And the root cause of this self-deception isn’t stupidity – or innumeracy, as in this case. On the contrary, the smarter a person is, the more effortlessly they are able to persuade themselves to believe whatever it is that’s in their best interests to believe. Hancock is one of Robert Musil’s “rightly blended personalities” as described in The Man Without Qualities:
And indeed the most coldly calculating people do not have half the success in life that comes to those rightly blended personalities who are capable of feeling a really deep attachment to such persons and conditions as will advance their own interests.
The tragedy of our age is that these “rightly blended personalities” are the ones that rise to the top in politics.
More University Diktats

A reader has flagged up a story in the Nottingham Post about a joint statement issued by the vice-chancellors of the universities of Nottingham and Nottingham Trent. I guess expecting a scientifically-informed, evidence-based response to the Government’s constantly changing coronavirus guidance is too much to expect from university vice-chancellors!
In a joint statement, the vice-chancellors from the University of Nottingham and Nottingham Trent University, Professors Shearer West and Edward Peck, said: “Both of Nottingham’s universities welcome students to our city and invite them to be an integral part of the communities in which they live.
“This year we recognise that the coronavirus presents exceptional and individual challenges to every Nottingham citizen and that any incident of antisocial behaviour, such as not respecting the latest Government guidance on social distancing measures, has the potential to put lives at risk.
“All of our students will be required to sign and adhere to updated Codes of Conduct which include these guidelines.
“In the most serious of cases, students can find themselves removed from their accommodation, suspended from their course, and/or with a criminal record.”
It could be worse, I suppose. At least they’re not threatening to expel any students who break the rules and keep their first-year tuition fees, as Northeastern University in the United States has done.
Stop Press: A reader has got in touch to tell us about the lockdown imposed yesterday evening at St Andrew’s University.
I have a relative at St. Andrews University and the rules and regulations there are, well, draconian at best and cruel at worst. The halls residents have to wear a mask in their hall even though it is effectively their home. All lectures are done in your room via Zoom even though open lectures were promised right up until the students took up residence in their rooms (funny that). There is not enough room in the various hall canteens due to social distancing so most eat in the bedrooms. They must not stop in any corridor and must not talk to each other on pain of warnings and eventually being sent down. They are allowed no visitors (boyfriends or girlfriends) in their rooms. But they can pop over to a cheap hotel if one visits! They have employed students to snitch on each other if any rules are broken. I would rather be in prison.
As of an hour ago, the University Principal informed all students that they were being asked to go into “voluntary lockdown” due to two or three cases (positive tests?) on campus.
The relative is considering leaving and giving up their massively hard worked for place. They are strong willed and mentally tough but I fear many young, less mentally tough students are going to be in serious trouble this winter if we are not careful. I know I would have been! I despair.
This is from the email the Principal sent to all students:
It is now very clear that rates of Covid infection are surging again in various parts of this country, and it is very likely that we are very close to a form of further national lockdown. The First Minister of Scotland has today spoken of the urgent need to interrupt the chain of transmission of the virus. In these circumstances, I am writing to all of our students to ask you to please observe a voluntary lockdown this weekend, effective from 7pm this evening. This means that I am asking you all to remain in your rooms as much as possible, not to party, not to go to bars or restaurants, and to avoid mixing with any groups outside your own households. Catering will continue as normal in halls of residence. I appreciate that this request may appear to some of you to be premature, but a hallmark of this pandemic has been that, as a society, we have acted too slowly in the past, and thousands of people have died unnecessarily as a result. Early action saves lives, and we have an opportunity as one community to take action to protect ourselves, and those with whom we share this town. We acted swiftly in March when the pandemic first hit Fife, and the situation we face now is just as serious… There is no evidence that the virus is surging in our community. Rather it is because as a country we are now in a very fast-moving phase where early intervention is key, and hours make a difference.
Hospitals: Not All Full of Mask Nazis
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A Lockdown Sceptics reader had an encouraging encounter with a sensible doctor at the hospital recently and wrote to tell us about it.
I have been visiting a London Bridge private hospital for a sports injury. My charming doctor revealed his true colours as he said that we’re stuck in the wrong narrative about mass deaths. This has lead to healthcare organisations minimising risk at the cost of patients. One example of which is the suspension of pain relieving injections. Those with chronic joint or muscle pain have had to forego cortisol injections until very recently when they’ve been reintroduced. The panic was that cortisol might lower one’s immune system and hence increase one’s chances of dying of COVID-19. I told my doctor I’d be more likely to die from being hit by a bus on the way to the injection appointment than die of the virus because of a weaker immune system. My doctor agreed.
I did ask him on my first visit if he would like to remove his mask as I had no issue with him being maskless but as it was our first meeting I understand he wished to follow protocol. But in the consultation room we couldn’t quite hear each other so we dropped the masks.
Interesting that a senior clinician was so pragmatic, sensible and challenged the public narrative whereas the receptionist reprimanded me for leaving my snout exposed which I did in order to save them the ordeal of shovelling out my asphyxiated corpse from their lobby. He followed up his initial polite request to amend my mask use with a sinister reference to his colleagues who check this throughout the hospital. Big brother is watching.
Another reader found his hospital surprisingly easy-going when it came to his exposed face.
I’ve not worn a face mask since the Covid farce began six months ago. Not once. Never. I see it as a sort of badge of honour in resisting Government lies and general nincompoopery.
Anyway, yesterday I had to go to the hospital to see a consultant. The appointment letter that came through the post said I should wear a mask and would be given one at the hospital if I didn’t have one. My wife said I should be respectful. Reluctantly, I decided I’d probably go with the mask flow if pushed or confronted, seeing as the NHS was helping me on the health front.
When I arrived – not face muzzled – the usually bustling hospital was deserted. A notice on the main entrance sliding doors said I should wear a mask before entering. The entrance hall shops and coffee bar were all shuttered. Two or three masked people were sitting in the big main empty waiting area.
The woman on the desk – like me, unmasked and not wearing rubber gloves – took my letter off me and told me where Urology was. She did not challenge me about not wearing a mask. She did not eye me disapprovingly.
All staff I passed were masked. Nobody gave me the evil eye. When I arrived in Urology, several guys were waiting to see consultants. All were masked. Staff members came and went. All were masked and sounded muffled when they spoke, like they were talking from under a duvet.
My consultant called me through on time. He was masked. He did not ask me why I was unmasked. He wasn’t in the remotest bit put out because my face wasn’t covered. He also examined me.
By this time, it seemed a bit odd, if only because I’d wondered if I might come up against bedwetters as James Delingpole would say. I might as well have been wearing one of those silly Groucho Marx masks with the specs and rubber nose, and folk pretend not to notice like they pretend not to notice nutters in bus stations.
Fifteen minutes later I left. I didn’t notice the one-way-system stickers on the floor and nearly collided with a masked hospital staff member. She did not freak out bumping into me unmasked.
Besides the woman on the main desk, the only other unmasked person I saw on site was a woman working at a computer as I passed and an open office. Not a single negative word or dodgy eye glance came my way throughout the time I was there.
Mask Mouth

Are masks bad for your teeth? A reader writes with a concerning observation:
My beautician is a dentist with a side hustle. Chatting yesterday, she said ‘meth mouth’ is notorious among dentists, the wreckage of meth addicts’ mouths. She said they are now seeing cases of ‘mask mouth’ – people overly mouth breathing, and rebreathing bacteria sodden air from cloth masks. As she’s NHS she’s only allowed to see one patient an hour (it’s usually eight) and she said she and her colleagues are predicting an A&E influx of dental emergencies any time soon.
Can any dentist readers confirm if they’ve clocked this as well?
Where Is The Opposition?

Lockdown Sceptics reader and Labour Party member Dave Ferguson has written to his party asking them where on earth they are on all this.
I wanted to make you aware how disappointed I am with the response of the Labour Party to the current Coronavirus crisis. It is now very apparent that COVID-19 is much less virulent and less deadly than was originally thought. The official stance of the Labour Party in relation to the Government seems to be to accept the goals as valid and to criticise them for their inefficiency. There is certainly inefficiency but some of the goals and approaches also need to be questioned. In the early days of lockdown when Keir Starmer was asking about exit strategy this made sense but that is now no longer the case. The so called rule of six is a ridiculous response to the current so-called spikes, where many of the so-called cases are asymptomatic or false positives, clearly an artefact of the testing. Last night on Question Time Jon Ashworth, who is Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care and should be expected to have an understanding of these matters, was clearly out of his depth in talking to Sunetra Gupta and gave no response to the very sensible question of why this over the top response was appropriate to COVID-19 and not to flu. The best he could manage was to say there might be epidemiologists who disagreed with her, but why not look at the arguments she makes rather than rely on a narrow band of experts who have repeatedly misjudged matters.
The Party needs to be an alternative voice, and that means listening to the alternative voices among the experts, like Sunetra Gupta. Like Carl Heneghan from the Centre for Evidence-based medicine who has shown that much of the current so called spike is most likely caused by false positive responses to PCR tests. Like Michael Levitt who has shown that the virus does not propagate exponentially but follows a Gompertz curve. Like Karol Sikora whose concerns about other health issues have shown how inadequate a response it is to say in defence of draconian measures, as Jon did, I am just trying to save lives.
There is talk of some kind of anti-lockdown party standing at local elections and there is every chance they could take votes from major parties as UKIP once did. The Labour Party needs to carefully consider its current response to this crisis. I am an active member of the Labour Party, but at present feel we need some better and more joined up thinking.
The Democratic Case Against Lockdown

Lockdown Sceptics contributor David Seedhouse, Professor of Deliberative Practice at Aston University, has written a book making the democratic case against the lockdowns. It’s being published by Sage (no, not that one) on September 26th and you can order a copy here for £6.99. We asked David to write a blog post for us explaining what his book’s about.
This book, written between March and May, during ‘lockdown’ in the UK, is a spontaneous analysis of a disturbing global drama that continues to disrupt normal standards of science, public health, human rights and medical ethics in ways few people thought possible at the start of 2020.
Civil liberties have been cast aside by a handful of people obsessed with a single risk, unable to think beyond the narrowest conception of health. For weeks, in the initial stages of the pandemic, the only focus of most governments was to ‘defeat’ a virus. They took advice almost exclusively from like-minded epidemiologists and public health doctors, who claimed to be ‘guided by the science’ yet whose predictions turned out to be wildly wrong. This small collection of establishment people simply disregarded entirely predictable negative impacts on so many other aspects of social life, myopically sacrificing countless lives, livelihoods and national economies to ‘battle’ a virus no worse than seasonal ‘flu. There was no attempt at democratic consultation, and governments had few if any qualms about using propaganda to terrify people into compliance.
The assumption that we live in accountable democracies, with unalienable rights, was erased with Orwellian disdain. It quickly became clear that it is impossible for citizens to challenge governments, even in the face of unprecedented restrictions on personal freedoms: if the government says you cannot leave your house they can force you to stay in, as millions from Melbourne in Australia to Lima in Peru now know. The cherished notion of informed consent to health measures has been replaced by a slew of hastily drafted legislation which has made previously normal, innocent actions criminal offences.
The Case for Democracy includes many examples of the failure of decision-makers to understand the meaning of evidence, to balance risks of disease with multiple other risks, and to follow the advice of their own professional bodies about what to do if there is a pandemic: for example, using repressive measures without public involvement flatly contradicts advice from the Centers for Disease Control in the USA, which consistently points to the importance of balancing individual liberty with combating disease.
However, cataloguing unfounded decision-making is not the main purpose of the book. After all, any competent person with internet access and a little determination can discover the deluge of errors, unethical laws and false reasoning for him or herself. Rather the book tries first to understand how apparently sane people could possibly think it made sense to implement such massively damaging policies, and secondly asks how we, the public, might ensure that such a disastrous episode can never happen again.
The explanation is simple: the ‘experts’ are subject to biases and errors of thought well-known to every first-year psychology student, yet none of them seem to realise it. The text-book examples of mistaken thinking include: ‘social amplification’ where new risks are falsely perceived as worse than existing dangers; ‘attentional bias’ where only very specific things are noticed while other relevant matters are ignored; and ‘confirmation bias’ in which only information that strengthens one’s prior view is valued – making it extremely difficult to assess alternatives fairly, and even harder to admit when you are wrong.
‘Group think’ amongst politicians has been ubiquitous. Apart from Sweden and South Korea, politicians right, left and centre have rushed either to copy or outdo each other, without seeming to question the sense of this. The ‘Dunning-Kruger Effect’, in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their competence while feeling superior to others has been equally widespread; as has the tendency to predict more extreme outcomes than actually happen, and the simple, atavistic enjoyment of power and control.
The notion of ‘rational field blindness’ illuminates these elementary mistakes. This lack of vision occurs when it’s assumed that the evidence speaks for itself (it never does) and that scientific analysis is value free (it never is). Rational fields do involve evidence, logic, and sometimes science, but these factors are always selected and interpreted according to values, human instincts, linguistic classifications, and the physical and social environment. When policymakers are blind to this, their reasoning, choices, and actions inevitably become dangerously skewed and short-sighted.
Because the backgrounds of their advisers are so limited, no-one seems to have explained these elementary psychological errors to the politicians, who believe they are making rational, objective decisions, when really their behaviours are classic case studies in delusion.
These factors underpin the book’s argument for inclusive, participatory democracy: if the chief problem has been an unduly limited number of options for action, an obvious alternative is to broaden decision-making processes to include diverse voices, knowledge, values, experiences and cultures – as a practical, effective way to arrive at well-informed consensus.
Since our values-blind leaders are unable to see beyond their biases, they need to be better educated. And the best way to do this is via properly organised and funded Citizens’ Assemblies, with decision-making powers, where policies like lockdown can be properly debated. Our current leaders would, of course, be invited to present their viewpoints, which would then be subject to scrutiny from Assembly members with wide and varied expertise, from many walks of life. In these Assemblies our leaders would have to defend and justify their points of view and would, in the process, learn about and be able to reflect on intelligent and compassionate alternatives.
The Case for Democracy not only explains why this is so desperately needed, but gives examples of many existing inclusive, democratic initiatives around the world; including an extensive exercise in the USA where citizens considered what to do in preparation for a ‘flu epidemic and came to the sensible conclusion that vulnerable people should be protected, though not at the expense of normal social functioning.
Wide-reaching participatory democracy is already happening. While it will be a challenge to extend these examples to involve many thousands of us, it is by no means impossible. It can and must be done.
I like David’s explanation for why governments and their advisors around the world have mishandled the response to the Covid crisis so badly. Not a conspiracy, but a cock up stemming from a cluster of cognitive biases.
Vaccine Consultation Now Closed. What Comes Next?

The UK Government’s consultation on the roll out of Covid vaccines closed at midnight last night. So what comes next? According to the i‘s Jane Merrick, it’s not good.
Ministers are planning to invoke emergency powers to vaccinate the public against COVID-19 even if it is unlicensed, i can reveal.
If a vaccine becomes available before the end of the Brexit transition period on December 31st and it has not been approved by the European medicines watchdog, the UK will use its own emergency regulations to sidestep EU law to allow the jab to be deployed due to the serious threat the virus poses to human life.
The Government admits it would be an “very unusual” step to use the extraordinary powers for an unlicensed medicine but that it would be necessary, in those circumstances, to save lives from coronavirus.
Worth reading in full (although so many ads pop up when you look at anything on the i or the Independent, their articles are virtually unreadable).
Speaker Gets No-Platformed; Free Speech Union Gets Her Re-Platformed
The FSU managed to get Caroline Farrow, a Catholic journalist who’d been no-platformed by the University of Exeter Debating Society, re-invited on Thursday evening. She was due to speak on Friday in a debate on whether prostitution should be legalised, but she was notified at 11am on Thursday that she’d been disinvited because of her religious beliefs on a range of LGBT issues. This was a clear case of no-platforming and a breach of the University of Exeter’s professed commitment to free speech.
I wrote to the newly-installed Vice-Chancellor, Professor Lisa Roberts, letting her know that if she didn’t intervene to make sure Caroline’s invitation was reinstated, the University would be in breach of its legal duty to protect free speech, as set out in the Education (Nº 2) Act 1986, which was passed, in part, to prevent the no-platforming of visiting speakers at British universities. In particular, it would be a breach of s.43(a) of the 1986 Act, which requires universities to “take such steps as are reasonably practicable to ensure freedom of speech within the law is secured for members, students and employees of the establishment and for visiting speakers”. This Act and these words are referred to in Exeter’s “Freedom of Speech” policy.
Thankfully, after receiving my letter, Professor Roberts did intervene. I received a response from the Vice-Chancellor’s Office at 9.22pm on Thursday night informing me that Caroline had now been re-invited and, when I checked with her, she had. The following day, there was another attempt to no-platform her that the Vice-Chancellor again resisted and when the censorious members of the Debating Society’s committee were repulsed they took to Facebook to express their displeasure, saying they’d only agreed to re-platform Caroline because of the University’s intervention.
You can read an account of the affair on the FSU’s website here, as well as a shorter version on Guido Fawkes here. The FSU interviewed Caroline about the episode for its YouTube channel and you can see that here.
Round-Up
- “Unlike these readers cowed by Covid, I’ll stand up to the Rule of Six bullies” – Bel Mooney writes in the Conservative Woman about how disappointed she was by the reaction to her recent advice column in the Mail in which she said she wouldn’t be cancelling Christmas
- “MPs threaten to block renewal of sweeping powers” – Good to hear about this, though much of the lockdown is done under existing laws rather than the Coronavirus Act which is up for renewal
- “False Positives” – Excellent blog post by Desmond Swayne, the most sceptical MP in the House of Commons
- “Last time we locked down to buy more time for the NHS – so what exactly is the reason now?” – An excellent question from Alexandra Phillips in the Telegraph
- “Almost half of firms set to swing jobs axe” – It’s going to get messy
- “Covid pushes New Zealand into worst recession in years” – Wrong headline on this BBC story. Should read: “Hysterical over-reaction to Covid pushes New Zealand into worst recession in years.”
- “South Dakota: America’s Sweden” – Interesting piece on the AIER site by Amelia Janaskie holding up South Dakota as a (relative) beacon of liberty
- “Almost one third of Covid deaths in July and August ‘primarily caused by other conditions’” – Report based on the latest article from Carl Heneghan’s CEBM highlighting further problems with COVID-19 definitions and diagnosis, which can be found (without paywall) here
- “Do many people have pre-existing immunity?“– Important article in the BMJ reviewing the mounting evidence for widespread immunity to SARS-CoV-2
- “Our testing regime is dangerously flawed – here’s how to fix it” – The latest from Dr Clare Craig in the Speccie
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Van Morrison has joined the swelling ranks of wrinkly rockers against lockdown, alongside Noel Gallagher, Ian Brown and the bloke from the Corrs. He announced yesterday three lockdown protest songs for release soon. The BBC has the story.
Sir Van Morrison has accused the Government of “taking our freedom” in three new songs that protest against the coronavirus lockdown. In the lyrics, he claims scientists are “making up crooked facts” to justify measures that “enslave” the population. “The new normal, is not normal,” he sings. “We were born to be free…
“No More Lockdown” is the most strident of the three tracks. “No more lockdown/No more government overreach,” the musician sings in the chorus. “No more fascist bullies/Disturbing our peace. No more taking of our freedom/And our God given rights/Pretending it’s for our safety/When it’s really to enslave.“
Another song references a widely-shared Facebook post, of a screenshot from a UK Government website saying, “COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.”
While it is true that COVID-19 does not meet the criteria for an HCID – which typically has a high fatality rate (as much as 50% in the case of Ebola) – the disease is still considered highly infectious, with no specific vaccines or treatment currently available.
Hang on a minute – no treatment currently available? If that’s supposed to be the BBC fact checking Van Morrison’s “dangerous misinformation” then I’m afraid it backfires badly. There are now a number of treatments for COVID-19 which studies and clinical practice have shown to have some effect in reducing mortality. Such as HCQ with zinc, reported by American doctors to give an 84% decrease in hospitalisation rates and a 50% decrease in mortality rates among already hospitalised patients.
Anyway, the songs. They are “Born To Be Free”, released September 25th, “As I Walked Out”, to be released on October 9th and “No More Lockdown”, released October 23rd. We’ll send out a reminder when they come out and we’ll see if Lockdown Sceptics readers can help boost them to number one on iTunes.
Sir Van Morrison says:
I’m not telling people what to do or think, the Government is doing a great job of that already. It’s about freedom of choice. I believe people should have the right to think for themselves.
Preach, brother.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today it’s the turn of Columbia University Marching Band, which has decided its very existence is so repugnant it will “unanimously and enthusiastically” disband after 116 years. Here’s the letter they wrote announcing their self-annihilation, an epistle worthy of Titania McGrath.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: An American man, Reed Bender, was physically removed by police from a school board meeting about masks in Mitchell, South Dakota, on Monday night because he refused to wear a mask. Here’s the story from the local press:
Bender resisted the cops as other people urged him to stop, video of the altercation showed. A cop pulled out his taser but was hesitant to use it. “You’re going to have to tase me in front of all these people,” Bender said. “I want these people to video it while their cops of minority descent have to do this to everybody,” he said. One woman off-screen said that Bender just “wants to have a say.” After more struggling, the cops removed Bender from the room.
Watch the incident unfold here.
The Care Home Scandal – A Call For Evidence

Lockdown Sceptics has asked an award-winning investigative journalist, David Rose, to investigate the high death toll in Britain’s care homes. Did 20,000+ elderly people really die of COVID-19 between March and July or were many of them just collateral lockdown damage? With lots of care homes short-staffed because employees were self-isolating at home, and with relatives and partners unable to visit to check up on their loved ones because of restrictions, how many elderly residents died of neglect, not Covid? How many succumbed to other conditions, untreated because they weren’t able to access hospitals or their local GP? After doctors were told by care home managers that the cause of death of a deceased resident was “novel coronavirus”, how many bothered to check before signing the death certificate? The risk of doctors misdiagnosing the cause of death is particularly high, given that various safeguards to minimise the risk of that happening were suspended in March.
David Rose would like Lockdown Sceptics readers to share any information they have that could help in this investigation. Here is his request:
We are receiving reports that some residents of care homes who died from causes other than Covid may have had their deaths ascribed to it – even though they never had the disease at all, and never tested positive. Readers will already be familiar with the pioneering work by Carl Henghan and his colleagues at the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which forced the Government to change its death toll counting method. Previously, it will be recalled, people who died of, say, a road accident, were being counted as Covid deaths if they had tested positive at any time, perhaps months earlier. But here we are talking of something different – Covid “deaths” among people who never had the virus at all.
In one case, where a family is deciding whether to grant permission for Lockdown Sceptics to publicise it, an elderly lady in reasonable health was locked in her room for many hours each day in a care home on the south coast, refused all visitors, deprived of contact with other residents, and eventually went on hunger strike, refusing even to drink water. She died in the most wretched circumstances which were only indirectly a product of the virus – and yet, her death certificate reportedly claims she had Covid.
I’m looking for further examples of 1) elderly people who died as a result of the lockdown and associated measures, but whose deaths were wrongly attributed to “novel coronavirus”, and 2) those elderly people who clearly died from other causes but whose deaths were still formally ascribed to Covid because they once tested positive for it, even after the counting method change.
If you have relevant information, please email Lockdown Sceptics or David directly on david@davidroseuk.com.
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I can’t be the only one thinking that the latest fear propaganda has been ramped up as we approach the 6 month review of the Coronavirus Act put in place in March.
But as LS subscribers, I’m sorry, we need to do a lot better at getting facts out there into the wider community. Too many people think millions of people in this country have died, too many people think the infection fatality rate is above 3% as the WHO originally reported, too many people think that 20% of all people who catch this need to go to hospital. They aren’t evil idiots, they are just misinformed.
None of those facts are true.
But we’re not convincing people by calling them bedwetters etc.
Neither are we helping by joining the covid phobias and fear to NWO, 5G, Lizards, Bill Gates, Woke Cancellations, BLM and so on.
The best way to reduce the fear for people is to be reasonable and evidence-based. Stick to the facts that matter. Cases, testing, deaths, hospitalisations, co-morbidities; challenge the fear with evidence and compassion in other words. Like Ivor, like Carl.
A lifelong friend who is suffering badly from the brainwashing started talking about the concerning rise in cases. A short explanation of the flaws in the PCR test, combined with a firm reminder that hospitalisations and deaths are much more significant statistics, definitely gave him pause. He did not respond with the usual hostility and repetition of the government/MSM scripts. I try this every day with colleagues, in a variety of different ways according to each individual and the context. We just have to keep chipping away at the edifice of lies.
As we head towards the inevitable second lockdown, I am very concerned that the hospitalisation statistics in the next two weeks are going to be manipulated. Difficult days ahead of us.
Congratulations Richard, I likewise prefer to take different approaches depending on how I judge their attitude.
If the hospital mortality rates are less than 0.05% it will be obvious that they have again put people in who didn’t need to be there. Mortality in March was 6% and while the Covid may have become more benign and treatable that would not explain such a difference.
I think the ugly little fact that flu rates didn’t change with mask wearing is gold. The absolute numbers are down due to Covid being registered but rates didn’t change.
It’s almost like God is laughing at the plan
Yes, that’s a good point. Also the link someone posted recently (a world life expectancy site) shows flu mortality rates by average, per year, and countries that have high mandates or custom for mask wearing – like Japan – have a significantly higher flu mortality rate.
I think this may be what you’re referring to, I have posted it previously.
Japan despite obsessive mask wearing has seasonal flu incidence above USA and Europe and approx the same as UK.
This is the worlds largest trial involving millions of people over a decade, showing that the general public wearing masks has at best no effect on viral transfer.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/
Does anyone want to come up with more on this? It could be a game changer. I’d like to use it on the Covid 19 Assembly website. http://Www.covid19assembly.org
I do the same to everyone I chat to.
We’re planning to do this on http://www.covid19assembly.org
We’re working on the rational things like you mentioned but the majority of people have been “got to” emotionally by the MSM and we have to unpick that.
One of our team is a behavioural scientist (formerly with Cambridge Analytica) who isn’t developing a survey to find out what it is exactly that people are afraid of. When we know, we can focus on that.
When the survey is ready we will want everyone here to go out and ask people they know personally or on the street to complete the survey.
Hopefully it will be the start of something much bigger.
David
I just had a look at the website, it’s a great idea. It would be wonderful to have all the information in one place – it is not that there is a shortage of evidence to dispute the official narrative, rather there is an avalanche and consequently it can be overwhelming to stick to the key issues.
I am curious about the survey though, surely people are simply afraid of catching Covid and dying because they have been convinced there is a serious risk ?
Fear of infecting others ? Fear of being fined ? Fear of being shamed ?
Yes. So if we end up with a definitive list then we’ve taken the first step to unpicking it all!
Thanks. You’re making an assumption. Maybe it’s the fear of passing it to elderly relatives, community duty, etc. So we need to ask the question. That’s the first step. Then if we know that there are three main reasons for example fear of death, fear of passing it to elderly relatives and community duty then we know we have to focus on all three. But if we find that 85% indicate that they fear their own death than that is our main target. Know your enemy. It also allows us to compare trends with future surveys to see if anything is changing.
So it needs to be done as a foundation for all other work.
Fair enough.
This is a great article in the New York Times about the flaws in the PCR tests, it cites recent studies that showed up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html
Chatting with a bright young woman yesterday, as usual I waited for her to start ‘the conversation’.
BYW “I hate them masks, starting to make us wear them at work… ”
KV ‘have you noticed how they are slowly imposing curfews on one part of the country after another?’
BYW “Not really, what’s that all about?”
KV ‘They are locking the country down again but know they don’t have the 100% support that they had in March so it’s bit by bit’.
BYW “But what for? The Covids gone and everyone knows ‘cases’ don’t mean anything.”
KV ‘Do you think everyone thinks that ?’
BYW “Every I know does and that rule of six, what’s that supposed to do ? I think they’re just playing games with and anyway I can’t afford to be off work again”.
Further conversation revealed that “everybody knows that everyone who died was already dying…”.
Brilliant !
Regrettably the facts don’t work.
Japan has been doing QE and buying up bonds for decades, yet people still believe that governments are monetarily restricted in their own currency.
Japan is the Sweden of economics. Has it caused enlightenment amongst the masses. Has it caused them to ask if they might be missing some vital feedback loop that works in aggregate that doesn’t work on an individual. Nope.
Instead we have mask wearing everywhere and little questioning. Because obviously masks catch coughs don’t they and lots of Very Clever People say so and they can’t all be wrong can they.
Once beliefs take root, shifting them is near impossible because there is always an excuse why not. Japan is “special”. Sweden is “special”. Japan hasn’t done as well as Korea: Sweden hasn’t saved as many people as Norway. At no point does “Belgium hasn’t saved as many people as Germany” cross their mind.
People work on stories and premature extrapolation. Hence why we now have The Power Of The Mask and the secular religion developing around it.
I agree that the facts don’t work for some people, and emotive arguments are better for them. Strongly disagree with the analogy ha. Ultra loose monetary policy removes government accountability.
Emotive arguments reinforce a polarises position.
If you can make someone doubt their current sense of self in fear, or by insinuating guilt and penalty, to a sense of helplessness, you are using emotional manipulation to fool them into doing what you want. But there will always be negative consequences from this, even if they can be seemingly evaded for a time. The mind that seeks to buy more time by evading its own toxic debts is driven to such extremes as we are witnessing.
Hang on; there’s seven of them.
I’ll get my coat…
Hello,
I believe the problem is not only stories but the common sense way people understand complexity. For example take face masks common sense says they should stop transmission of covid, but as we know thirty years of science and no reduction in the spread of flu says otherwise. Or take lockdown again common sense says it should stop transmission and save lives but again it could never do such thing as it’s meant to gain you time while you build up capacity to treat the expected casualties. The message is simple do as we tell you and every thing will be alright, object and you must be a sick selfish murderer. But people are beginning to realise that countries like Sweden and Japan with no lockdown are not seeing the increase in infections we are seeing and asking themselves why?
When enough people ask why they will be a backlash especially when people individually suffer through loss of job or medical care.
Backlash?
maybe, but if while under constraint, the ball park rules have changed so as to surveil and regulate all movement, money and information exchange, under a ‘safekeeping narrative’ that can save you if you sell out on others…
Great post .We need easy to read leaflets and hard hitting stickers that keep up to date as things change .keeping to common sense and facts not speculation is the way to get our message across.I had a friend who cancelled a walk with me at the start of the lockdown because he was seriously worried anyway last week we met for a drink and seeing he had changed so much i introduced him to looking up Carl Heneghan, he rang last night to say he was meeting up with family at weekend ,three different households more that six .No fear just pissed off with the government. I know it’s easy to be disheartened but we just have to keep pushing forward .The darkest hour is always before the dawn and we are going to get there .So people stay strong and rise up like the sun .
That’s what we’re going to do. All help appreciated.
http://Www.covid19assembly.org
Looks great .Hope you up and running soon.
Thanks
http://Www.covid19assembly.org
A few days ago I posted here asking whether anyone could tell us what this organisation is, what its stance is, who runs it and who funds it — the answers to those questions were not on the website. Since you’re advertising it here, perhaps you know something about it and could answer those questions for us, please?
Hi Richard
I’ve just sent you an email.
Regards
David
No funding… yet! Unfortunately. Some Lockdown Sceptics readers have offered to make donations but we won’t take any until we’re fully up and running.
Our stance is explained on the website. We don’t represent any political party and we are on the more fact based side of things. We will not be getting involved in the more controversial areas. We are saying that Covid 19 is not as deadly as it is made out to be – lots of evidence and lockdowns are wrong and not effective.
I run it. I’m just a professional Environmental Health Officer who occasionally works in motorsport! I have met with Toby Young and he has kindly agreed to be on the Advisory Board as have other eminent people already.
The plan is for it to grow and be managed by a very professional group of people. I’m not saying I’m even the right person for the job!
David
Thanks for that, I’ll send a reply in due course.
Captured opposition doesn’t have to be in conspiratorial liaison. It merely self-censors so as to seek to attract or keep and audience. Controversial facts are not allowed, also the whole thing serves the system that is purports to be critical of, as long as that’s alright Sir! If enough people focus in the surfaces, they will leave the underlying causes hidden, protected and unaddressed. By all means do as you feel moved. There are levels to ‘taking off a mask’ that many are unwilling or unready to look at. I never needed evidence that locking down the healthy and the global economy was wrong and alas very effective in a negative sense of undermining what was left of our social structure. Hapless? Or is such a determination hapless? And is appeal to ignorance masking over a hidden arrogance. I do hold that we do the best we can with what we have at the time, but what we have at the time is a sense of self and world that expresses itself as behaviours (or suppressed behaviour). A set of conflicted ideas, perceptions and purposes can and does act insanely, but will always seek and find narrative justifications, because that is… Read more »
PS,I don’t resonate with using the name of the ‘fear branding, for the site or organisation. But that demonstrates a successful brand. You are stamped out in the image of what you think to be putting in its place (a cold).
“Cases, testing, deaths, hospitalisations, co-morbidities; challenge the fear with evidence and compassion in other words. Like Ivor, like Carl.”
You are preaching to the converted and the points above are very much the bread and butter of this site and I do wonder why would you wouldn’t know that.
There is not much talk about Lizards here, or maybe that was just a snide reference to David Icke. Those that believe there isn’t some form of global takeover in progress can’t really be accused of paying too much attention.
BLM manufactured protests are likely to be part of the Covid fiasco, being meant to serve as a distraction from the globalist Covid coup. However, the protests etc are not over laboured on LS.
Those that think Bill Gates isn’t at the heart of the global Covid fiasco need to do a lot more homework.
As for 5G it gets little reference here and rightly so. 5G is highly technical and is best dealt with elsewhere. Having said that, there times when reference to 5G will not be out of place.
The reptilian or primitive brain, is associated with prodigious feats, but lacking any moral perspective. The mammalian mid brain can be bypassed and the frontal social functions, can be effectively captured by a fear and control mentality. If you have ever been triggered to terror or rage, you will know first hand that at that time you were not in your Right or whole mind – nor could you know it until you came back into your Right mind. The takeover of the mind by fear and control is like a yeast working through the whole dough. IE: As an infection or contagion of split thinking (doublethink – or attempting to serve two masters). A narrative control operates a masking over fundamental conflicts protected from disclosure. Such as by smear and ridicule, or by generating new conflicts by the working of guilt and BLaMe. Evasive manoeuvre operates protective to the core function – assigned to ‘survival’ of the controller – supported by the abnegation of power in those who are separated from their true guidance, support and direction. Bill of the Gates of hell, is in process of being presented – but wordplay asside, he is not at the heart… Read more »
your first sentence is an excellent summation of this week. Actually this week has been encouraging on the LS front. Carl Heneghan at the science and tech hearing. Question time with Sunetra Gupta and John Caudwell. Finally Van Morrison releasing 3 anti Lockdown songs. Knowing his stuff I imagine there will be a lot of spoken word stuff as opposed to singing
This may have already been discussed, but there does seem to be growing resistance from MPs to the Coronavirus Act renewal:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mps-unite-to-derail-renewal-of-sweeping-powers-to-halt-coronavirus-t0z976vtm (Times article, behind a paywall unfortunately)
Unfortunately the article doesn’t give details of how large the “cross-party” group is or how many members are from outside the Conservative Party.
“The strategy is to keep the virus down as much as is possible whilst protecting education and the economy. And doing everything we possibly can for the cavalry that’s on the horizon – the vaccine and mass testing, and the treatments that, frankly, this country has done more than any other around the world to develop.”
When Hancock refers to “cavalry” I could not help but think of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
What strange, troubled times we live in.
He’s been using that phrase for a while now, BBC interviewers neither rise to or challenge it.
Perhaps it will prove to be the governments
Custers Last Stand.
Clusters last stand?
As in Clusterf##k’ s last stand?
The only bit of cavalry I associate with hapless HandsonCock is the amount of horseshit.
We’ve had Death and Pestilence and loo roll Famine. All that’s left is War.
This is war, and we’re the enemy. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.
Not really. We are designated data inputs to a system of control that has been stress tested and modified at every happenstance or tweak. Life as conflict management is the farming of conflict made more efficient.
Conflicts that are manufactured to provide energy for the system are considered part of the system – but instabilities that call the system into question are to be ironed out – or choked back and kneeled.
Officially sanctioned opposition will call a token protest on what doesn’t matter as a kettling of protesters in an echo chamber, that against serves the system.
Systemic thinking can also be called conditioned response.
But though I said not really, it is because a war between truth and deceit is not possible. Illusions battle only with themselves. (ACIM).
The core deceit on which the world was made (I’m talking the model we interpret and experience through), is coming up from the ‘Deep’.
Is the reset to another era a continuation of what went before?
Perhaps in a new and fine set of robes?
Or is that up to who you listen to for truth?
“And Who told you you were naked?…”
We’re already at war. There’s been a coup.
So close.
“If a vaccine becomes available before the end of the Brexit transition period on 31 December and it has not been approved by the European medicines watchdog, the UK will use its own emergency regulations to sidestep EU law to allow the jab to be deployed due to the serious threat the virus poses to human life.”
Absolutely jaw-dropping, it really is. An untested, illegal vaccine. This alone will be one of the greatest crimes against humanity in all history.
That’s a pretty worrying sentence.
Some days it’s hard to fathom that we are living in a so called developed country in the year 2020.
What exactly has been developed?
The terminology is from those who set such definitions from technological and financial dominance.
Technologism as the extension of control has been developed under a mask of virtue that has surely slipped.
And there is a cheap, safe, highly effective early stage treatment we all know about which is being denied to populations of the western world. Hydroxychloroquine treatments make the vaccine unnecessary.
We need to get the message out to the brainwashed in any way we can.
https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/videos/313190119942539/
Those who have the privilege to know have the duty to act.
Albert Einstein
At the risk of offending Bartleby, the vaccine will always be unnecessary and its purpose will have nothing to do with protecting populations from the ephemeral Covid-19 coronavirus. Apart from making eugenicist Bill Gates needlessly even richer, just what could its purpose be?
Honestly am not going to take offence at any difference of opinion, belief or approach and will defend your right to express it too. Having said that, at least in part what prompted my early morning/late night post was something I’ve noticed more and more: When people challenge the evidence that many of us here have taken on board, they do so by ‘playing the man, not the ball’. In other words, some really good analysis and data evidence is instantly dismissed by a large number of people because they look at the other opinions any of the authors might have expressed about topics as diverse as brexit, climate change, immigration and so forth. I have no issue with any opinion held on any of those or other topics, but perhaps we can fight the fear narrative in smarter fashion by sticking to the topic of what’s actually happening in the world with Covid. On a related tangent, I’ve always been a fan of stand-up comedy. I’m sure he won’t be to everyone’s taste, but I’ve always liked Bill Burr. He had a great routine about his failure to ever win an argument with a girlfriend until he learnt the… Read more »
I’m not overly disagreeing with you, as of course the main thrust of anti-lockdown rationalism is to concentrate on the basic facts that you set out in your earlier post.
However it is now abundantly clear, that the government has no intention of listening to reason. This entrenched approach seems to defy logic and has in my view strong overtones of malicious criminal intention. Accordingly, it becomes incumbent upon ourselves to try to fathom out what is driving this government pig headedness. Proper research on this point will nearly always get you back to the name of Bill Gates and this fact alone, ought to be very disturbing.
We are in very deep trouble and restricting our approach will not get us out of it.
Everything can be seen as a matter of priorities and the persistence in an inverted priority set will not become stable if it achieves it ‘normal’. So the alignmnet in the highest quality information – is to me a matter of recognising what is relevant and resonant to who I truly accept myself to be. Therefore like bartelby, I have no interest in attacking the person, engaging in smear, put downs or other narrative devices that Schopenhauer mapped out so clearly in what alas is largely marketed as ‘ways to win and argument’ (by trickery and deceit). So I invite reframing to ‘we are in deep deceits’ and need truth in whatever moment or manner we can find willingness to let in. Or else we can labour FROM narrative conviction of helplessness – which was the flip-side to the payload of viral contagion. People with deeply weakened and dysfunctional immune response can fear a cold as a death sentence. The terrain is what is hidden by the focus on the psycho path. or indeed pathogen. But having cast our mind – we retrieve in the measure we gave. You can go back to Rockefeller energy cartel monopoly and the capture… Read more »
i wouldn’t put any drug in My body that Trump suggests
Even adequate Vit D levels show protection or removal of dire outcomes.
Niche. I can see ‘No! I’m Randle McMurphy!’ a la Spartacus becoming a meme
Randle McMurphy, am I being a little slow this morning?
Thank you, saw it once but I don’t like sad movies.
Based on a book written by Ken Kesey btw. While the book is fiction, Kesey worked in a mental hospital and the story is based in one.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/12/25/ken-kesey/
There is a view that the counterculture was seeded by the CIA to break the peace movement – as mainstream USA was unwilling to get on a magical mystery tour.
To what degree Kesey was used, or used the CIA is a notion that might grate on you if you sometimes think on it.
‘Cuckoo’s nest’ could be called predictive programming. as can Orwell’s 1984 or HG Well’s Time Machine.
What we give attention to we attune to, and become.
Have we yet highlighted our favourite Neil Ferguson is on the board of vaccineimpact.org?
I’m pro vaccines where appropriate, but highlight this here as it is surely a conflict of interest. Plus we will get tol 99.999% must take it or we’ll all die. As ever, apologies of already posted.
https://www.vaccineimpact.org/secretariat/
Not untested (apparently) but unlicensed. With none of the vaccine companies being made to be held accountable. And with no plans “currently” to make vaccinations mandatory. Government’s words, not mine.
Weasel words. They will claim that it’s not mandatory and you can refuse the “Bill Gates DeathVax Final Solution®”, what they WON’T tell you is that you will be unable to exist in society (no bank account, credit card, passport, driving license, mortgage, loan, insurance etc.) WITHOUT your valid “Certificate Of Vaccine ID” (Which, oddly enough, spells “Covid”.)
THIS is what the whole charade is about, folks – compulsory vaxx (either by force or social coercion) leading ultimately to the BIG ONE:
https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval
A totalitarian globalist’s wet dream.
Agenda 2030 is in full swing.
Anytime you see the word “Nudge” in this sort of context, this is what they’re talking about; instead of making evil things mandatory (which ultimately could lead to civil disobedience), they will say “Well, it’s of course your choice”. and then the evil shits will simply give you such a long list of things you can’t do without it, that most people will sigh and go along with the evil for an easy life. Just like the little shit Cressida Dick said about mask-wearing. “Community peer-pressure”.
Yes, just as they ‘nudged’ us into buying diesel cars for twenty years before changing their minds to accuse us of giving the kiddies cancer with them.
or patented leaded petrol.
Damn it. Nearly every day atm I’m a failure 😂
One day
So, does anyone know if the Disability Discrimination act has ever been used on a snowflake who got upset at being called normal? Chippy little graduate got snarled at by me at work and has run off to tell the boss.
Rubbing my hands with glee at nailing this simpering condescending fucknugget on her bigoted view
Pre-Covid a Solicitor told me of his “snowflake graduate trainee”.
“Marvin could you bring those boxes over here please?”
M ‘but I don’t move boxes, I’m a Graduate!’
S “I’m on 500 an hour, move the boxes”.
An inalienable right to be mocked with the latest crop of grads. And crop because definitely vegetable like in application of work, any work
I once again will point out a very important issue with the death (and other) numbers in Spain and now France, which you keep missing.
These are the numbers of people that die with COVID -19. Now since the positive testing is running at around 13% (13.1% in the week to 13/9), 13% of all Spanish deaths should be of people that have tested positive if the virus had no health effect whatsoever. Around 1150 people per day die in Spain so you would expect around 149 deaths to be of people with COVID 19 if it had no health effect. The actual figure is around 60 per day (subject to some upward revision) for the week to 17/9.
So either having a positive test is a positive indicator for health (unlikely), or the figures are meaningless because the sample is non-representative, but either way, there is absolutely no evidence of an uptick in Spain .
As an analogy, how many deaths in Spain are of people who tested positive for left-handedness (if such a test were done)?
My guess is that there is a slight seasonal uptick just as there is in the UK.
I am left-handed. I am truly positive about that.
Should I panic now?
Definitely panic – your chance of dieing is as high as the population as a whole.
To borrow from the 80’s AIDS advert:
Don’t die of innumeracy
I’m cutting mine off now! It’s all too ‘sinistre’
There is only a slight uptick in anything to do with Covid19 apart from Government induced panic and hysteria.
Yesterday there was an increase in English Covid 19 hospital patients of 35, up from 953 to 988, wow a 3.5% increase! Over a whole week that could be 25% , out of a population of 66.65 million with over 1200 hospitals, I think we can cope with that!
A second wave? more like a ripple, and anyway if the virus is now endemic we cannot eradicate it, we need to take a tip from the beach;
“You can’t stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.”
It is testing that is driving all this and as the testing system gets challenged they are scrabbling to find hospital/death data to justify their policy but as the song says;
”ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree”
To mind the testing system is the achilles heel in all this, doubts are now being expressed and we need to keep pressing home the underlying fallacy that is the testing system.
Testing figures is what is driving it. There is plenty of evidence that there is precious little testing actually going on.
It’s probably all Tractor Stats.
On talk radio JHB asked Hancock how many people were in hospital in Bolton. (Which is apparently ground zero for Ebola)
Handcock replied “loads”
She said to him “2”
But presumably she was using the data from the NHS website, which is as at 3 September.
If there has been a recent ripple, I fear Hancock is right (on that small point).
Shocking that he was so innumerate on the impact of the FPR, though – she could have skewered him on that.
Unfortunately the only ripples are due to the government ignoring the FpR and the increased testing numbers. It’s just statistical noise/nonsense.
Far more people have died and will keep dying from lack of medical treatment than will ever from wuflu.
My concern is that this latest lockdown stuff is not about the virus
This is about the financial Armageddon that is about to be visited upon us
The end of the furlough scheme approaches
Mass unemployment (including in the public sector). Mass bankruptcies. The banks go bust. Pensions and benefits stop being paid, Food shortages. Civil disorder
I agree that we need to get over the idea that this is about a virus.
This was clear by the end of April at the latest.
I pretty damn sure there is going to be a global, economic collapse and reset. Nearly all the world’s government’s are complying with this, and are using Covid as the Trojan horse, it seems.
It’s been inevitable for a while. This great blogger (I haven’t actually read the post I’m linking to btw but it looks good) has been talking about it for years.
https://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html
Agree. Charles Hugh Smith has been very consistent. First came across him during the sub prime crisis.
However, such bloggers get their time in the sun when things look precarious but their wares are based on selling the inevitability of inflationary crisis (either runaway hyper or death spiral deflation, take you pick).
The debt based money system has a sell by date for sure. And my own view is that much of the financial system, especially exotic debt instruments and how they move around the world from blanace sheet to bankruptcy to bailout, is largely smoke and mirrors to keep the confidence trick going.
And taking that further, those who are tasked with maintaining such a system of precarious control (central banks and their related global institutions), despite knowing that it is in fact a confidence trick, certainly see themselves apart from the plebs who go about their day not knowing just how easily it could all be taken away.
No you can’t just pause the economy
A local major construction site carried on right through lockdown, supplies of materials started to become a problem and, while much improved, it is still a problem 3 months after lockdown was eased.
You know we have one word for people using “covidiot” for people avoiding masks: Sweden.
There is also one word for people using “economically illiterate” about Magic Money Trees : Japan.
MMT is real and has precisely the same aggregate feedback loops you are missing as those who bang on about masks.
Pensions are just a current production issue – who gets a slice of current production who doesn’t have to take part in the producing? Covid has shown that we really don’t need very many people involved in the producing and therefore it has *increased* the amount of people we could have retired, not reduced it.
Because it never is money that is the limiting factor. Demonstrably the circulation can be maintained. Japan has been doing it since the early 1990s.
It’s always stuff that limits what we can do.
Scarce resources have alternative uses. Resources tend to flow to their most valued uses. This does not mean that one use categorically precludes all other uses.
From the standpoint of the society as a whole, the “cost” of anything is the value that it has in alternative uses.
The real cost of building a bridge are the other things that could have been built with that same labour or material. The cost of watching tv is the value of other things that could have been done with the same time. This reality exists regardless of the “economic system” used.
Correct. And what is the alternate use of somebody who could be a nurse that is so much more important than them being a nurse?
If the answer is nothing then “we have no money to do it” isn’t the limiting factor in them being deployed as a nurse.
Good point being made on the economy as a priority of values, but I feel to say the value of nursing has been denigrated and replaced with a corporate replacement that can hardly serve true function. Any and all life extending relational exchange is ‘reduced’ to data points of a ‘delivery system’.
I saw doctors being replaced by robots (screens and smart devices) before covid.
If economic utility in terms of the system controllers is the only value, then humans are to be replaced, and the genetics reprogrammed to serve preset functional utility.
I noted that nursing the sick was to a large extent denied by the covid dictate.
“Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”. ~ Michael Ellner
Re your comment…
“ Covid has shown that we really don’t need very many people involved in the producing”
My favourite headline of the coronabollox charade was this
https://order-order.com/2020/09/07/civil-service-union-using-covid-pretext-to-fight-government/
“The Government is trying to lead from the front with its return-to-work drive, setting a target of 80% of civil servants to return to their desk at least once a week by the end of the month.” 😂😂😂
This alone proves exactly how much use the civic service is. 6/ months they have done almost nothing. No one at work. Yet the country functions without them.
You have never answered my point.We do not grow enough food in this country to feed the population.So our very survival relies on the fact that foreigners keep excepting our currency in return for foodstuffs.How long will this continue if we keep printing at this rate.
Look at history,debasement of the currency has always led to economic,then societal ruin
They don’t accept our currency. They accept our real exports. In a floating system importers in the U.K. essentially buy the UKs exports in money terms.
When you do the calculation on that you’ll find that U.K. savings are an export product.
We have a massive balance of payments deficit.This was covered for years by overseas earnings made by British owned companies but since the Blair era so many British companies have been taken over so this is no longer the case.Debauching the currency is normally a policy taken by end of term empires.The USA is a more recent example
Japan has been economically stagnant for about 30 years…
They also have a powerful manufacturing industry and the ability to trade their goods for raw materials and foodstuffs.We on the other hand export very little,import a lot,cannot feed ourselves.We have been living on thin air for years now.This reckoning has been years in the making.
Time to work on the veg patch – I’m not joking!
Less than 10% of britain is urbanised, the rest is sheeps, cows, turnips and potatoes, add to that being surrounded by fish, there is no shortage of food in britain. You are a fool.
And most of the population are unable to cook anything beyond Pot Noodle. Most have no idea what goes into growing food, much less preparing a meal. I once offered a woman some courgettes from my allotment. She said, “we don’t eat that kind of thing.”
When push comes to shove, I’m not worried about people stealing food from my allotment since most will have no idea what to do with mustard greens, pak choi or kohlrabi. But they will be rather grumpy when the supermarket shelves don’t have any biscuits or beer.
Really.we only grow 60% of our own food.The only reason we didn’t starve during the 2nd world war was the merchant navy and supplies from the USA and the empire.
We haven’t got a navy to speak of now and our fishing fleet has been decimated by the EU.
Please do some simple research
We export as much as we import – by definition since they don’t use Sterling anywhere else.
False,we haven’t had a balance of payments surplus since Major was in power.Tell a lie the last quarter there was a surplus because economic demand collapsed
Norway has fewer Covid deaths than Sweden.
There’s always an excuse if you want to avoid considering the alternative.
I don’t see the relevance of your comment.
The complacency of printing money is going to bite the country in the arse. Because the money printing, that dug us out of 2008, didn’t lead to the predicted inflation the left think doing it again won’t lead to inflation this time either. Unfortunately, the reason we didn’t see inflation after 2008 is because the money that was printed replaced the money in the economy that didn’t actually exist; this time we are adding billions that don’t exist to the economy and the stagflationary fallout is going to be brutal, especially for pensioners.
Yes it did, it fueled the ongoing rise in house and othe asset prices
Correct. I think RPI was up at about 5% for some time.
Can you explain that a little further? That the bailout money replaced money that wasn’t actually there?
Is this referring to actions such as central banks purchasing corporate bonds to inject cash? That financial instruments are a form of money printing in themselves? As they create a demand for liquidity which has to be met at some point?
Two women (clearly retirees) were laughing as though this will not affect them.
Oh the stupidity of it – if the economy is destroyed, or the currency (inflation), it is those who can’t swap their labour for income who will suffer the most – pensioners. Being pensioners, you’d think they would recall the 1970s. And being pensioners they are probably going to have to call on health care some time – good luck with that in a crashed economy.
It’s also most notable that those supporting this garbage tend to be those least economically disadvantaged by it – so far: their dues are coming.
I do enjoy your cafe vignettes, and the other little anecdotes told on this site. They all help to get a picture of what is going on, far better than offered by the msm.
“And being pensioners they are probably going to have to call on health care some time ” – good luck with that when the NHS is the Covid Health Service.
I’m a pseudo-pensioner (64) and I have no expectation of ever using the NHS again. But I understand that other people might think it possible at some point in the future.
That’s my main worry too. My workplace is in the middle of consultations for restructuring and introduced another round of voluntary redundancies in an attempt to stave off compulsory ones. Another lockdown will finish us off and possibly render all of us if not the vast majority of us jobless.
That said I still can’t believe the number of people who are still asleep, still slavishly follow the MSM narrative and are still afraid of a virus that has a negligible effect on people. As I bluntly told a colleague who’s afraid to go on a train that has people in it, she’s more likely to die being hit by that train rather from Covid 19.
The government is clearly desperately clutching at straws. I get the feeling that the mood will turn very ugly soon – Joe and Jane Public will end up taking matters into their own hands.
That’s why, at the moment, it’s mostly about pubs and restaurants closing earlier. It does not affect the large majority of the population sitting at home by 10pm.
Exactly. Given nightlife is virtually non existent, people don’t bother and the pubs and restaurants end up closing if there are no customers.
Yes because
“At first they came for the nightclubers and I did nothing…”
Unfortunately the sheep will roll over and obey. There will be no push back. MPs are useless. Hardly anyone asking any tough questions. All frittering around the edges arguing if children should be excluded from the “rule of 6”
No one saying fck your rule of 6, this is all shite now.
Telegraph YouTube poll yesterday showed only 9% agreed with the Rule of 6 but probably some people think it should be Rule of 2.
I know a lot of sheep – they will simply comply and a few will even say “the government isn’t doing enough” or “there are so many selfish people, if they did as they were told this would be over.”
Jesus wept.
The BBC were interviewing the good folk of Okehampton yesterday, virtually all of them said ‘we haven’t really had the Covid down here but the more we all obey the rules the sooner we can get back to normal.’
If that isn’t a face palm moment then I don’t what it.
I wish I could agree. But too many citizens still believe this is necessary. They are utterly compliant. The government says “jump” so they do. Without question.
Not even aware of the most basic facts, stats or data. It’s truly depressing.
They will get their comeuppance at some point methinks.
Unfortunately, so might the rest of us!
When the penny finally drops there will be either a collective roar of anger or like people who’ve been seriously scammed, collective amnesia. I think it’ll be like Germany after WW2, no one was ever a Nazi supporter…..
Or France and the Netherlands after WW2 – everyone was a Resistance fighter or supporter.
Your work colleague is more likely to die from the impact of losing her job than covid.
I’ve tried telling her that but I might as well be trying to get blood out of a stone!
This is about there being a minor ‘Second Wave’* and how their bold, if unpopular,
curfews saved us from a Virus Volcano.
They hope that by this we will forgive them for the ruination of the country and destruction of millions of livelihoods.
At least Chamberlain had the good grace to stand aside when he realised that Appeasement was a disaster.
* many of us said as long ago as June that they would do this, using the normal winter flu as cover.
the London calling podcast with Toby and James referenced the possibility of a second lockdown back in June-that there was always a plan for this
Two women (clearly retirees) were laughing as though this will not affect them. But it will affect all of us. You cannot just ‘pause’ the economy. What kind of half-wit truly believes that. This is what angers me with many boomers – they lived through the economic crises of the late 1960s and 1970s, how quickly they forget. Of course now they enjoyed the good life out of the ashes of the 4 days weeks, strikes and economic downturn not to mention as well as sitting on top of massive savings and generous pension schemes; they genuinely think that they will continue to be cushioned by their wealth and that if the government just tightened the screws, the virus will be contained and we’ll be all OK. Then this attitude is compounded by the economically illiterate millenials – those who jump on every SJW bandwagon going, bang on about “people before profit” and signal their virtue with their muzzles. They also think that if things go wrong then the Bank of Mum & Dad (plus Grandmama & Grandpapa) will bail them out. Newsflash to both groups: You are not invincible – majority of the pensions are tied to real estate… Read more »
As a child in the 60s and teenager in the 70s I can honestly say I didn’t notice either of those two recessions, except for the mountain of bin bags in Leicester Square.
That’s a fair point. My anger is directed more at those who were already adults during the late 60s and 70s – they should know better but curiously they’ve forgotten.
To be honest, most of the sceptics I know are that age or older – grannies and grandpas that were never asked if they wanted to be ‘saved’ by their children and grandchildren. However, they do tend to be less cynical of politicians and the media, not wanting to believe how much less trustworthy they have become over the last few years
I suppose part of the problem was at least the media of the past (and even government) tried to live up to the high standards that were set and that’s what that generation were accustomed to. But they have not really woken up to the fact that standards were deteriorating over the last 20-25 years.
I admire your posts, Bart, but I think your anger is unjustified. Please don’t take the following remarks personally…
This pensioner still remembers wearing an overcoat while coding COBOL by candlelight in the Three Day Week, and is fully aware of the Weimar business, when wealthy people were bartering with farmers to exchange their grand pianos for sacks of potatoes.
Not all “boomers” are callous profiteers.
Memes which set the generations against each other sow division and should be resisted.
If you read my post, I said “many boomers”. However I take your point.
I agree, although I spent the 70s in America. Not all boomers are even wealthy enough to own their own home. I live in a rented studio on my landlord’s property. I will never own a home, not even a flat, in the UK, although I am fortunate enough to have some savings. I also work at a minimum wage online job to bring in enough money to live, and will for the rest of my life.
And yet people go on about how wealthy boomers are.
I can assure you young person, we have not forgotten. Try living on a basic state pension nowadays – those of us in our 70s and 80s were expected to save for retirement.
And please everybody stop making lazy assumptions. I am beyond angry.
I’m not that young and am aware that I will have to save for my retirement (if it ever happens) and any pension I have will be derisory and loose change.
Like you I work in London.I can give you an example of the devastation this is causing.In the Haymarket in the West End the only 2 businesses open were coffee shops.The buildings shuttered included 2 theatres,Planet Hollywood.This is right in the centre of London and Mayor Khan is demanding more severe restrictions.I despair
That man is really starting to show his true colours!
I’ve walked past that area and agree, its despairing. Sadiq Khan should resign and be made to pay for all the destruction he has caused.
It makes much more sense to interpret the ‘virus’ in term of the controlled demolition of a (zombie) Global Economy, than the other way around. But for many the fact of the willingness to lock down life support and bunker down under martial law – convinced them of the dire terror that must be so – ‘or they would never do that would they?’ Resetting the ‘Economy’ by those who rig it and benefit from rigging it, is their purpose. But it is not mine. They are very good at getting the cutting edge insight to stuff into the old wine bottle paradigm of possession and control – or marketising and weaponising. This is where every argument offered to change their minds is subverted to be repurposed to deny yours a voice or even a language. There is another possibility that I hold possible, and that is that globalists are played to bring the world to destruction, while they are led to believe they are coming into their ‘rightful inheritance’ that the mass of the unworthy denied or deprived them of. For I see nothing in the NWO that holds the seeds of Life from which to grow anew. They… Read more »
This article in the Australian edition of The Spectator outlines a shocking new bill that would allow Victorians to be detained indefinitely without trial or review. I include my abridged version : “The Victorian Labor government has introduced a bill to parliament that coupled with other measures is one of the most egregious attacks on civil liberties seen in war or peacetime. The Bill would allow people to be detained indefinitely and give powers to untrained people to become “authorised officers” with sweeping powers to arrest and detain fellow Victorians…. Called the COVID-19 Omnibus (Emergency Measures) Amendment Bill, it overrides all other laws and legislation….The Bill confers and extraordinary power to the Secretary of the Department of Health to appoint public servants as “authorised officers” with the same powers as police. However worse than that is a provision which allows the secretary to appoint any of the following as an “authorised officer”: “[a] person the Secretary considers appropriate for appointment based on the person’s skills, attributes, experience or otherwise.” The word “otherwise” so broad and non-specific it gives rise to real concerns about who the Secretary could or would appoint. Put simply, this means you can be locked up and detained indefinitely at the whim of… Read more »
From what I’ve read here and elsewhere Victoria’s Dictator is coming under attack from all directions so perhaps this is his attempt at going down with all guns blazing.
That is absolutely true but he still has the support of 62 % of the Victorian public if polls are anything to go by. Personally I don’t know anyone who is doubting him! Apart from our Governor General, it is only his own party that can get rid of him. The remaining 38% of us have certainly let our MPs know how we feel, my only hope is that the Labour Party realise they can’t win the 2022 election with him and ditch him sooner rather than later.
The job keeper allowance of over $3000 a month keeps a lot of people happy.
I guess $3000 a month goes a long way if you cant leave your house?
It’s a lot of Uber Eats.
I bet it does, some would have never had it so good. I know someone whose son did 2 shifts at Maccas a week and now gets that. They think it is faaaabulous! Unbelievable.
Same in the Republic of Ireland. You could have been doing 2 shifts a week for 75 quid at a store. Now with furlough they are giving you 300. No wonder they are happy to keep the lockdown going.
Can you imagine the havoc this man could wreak in the next two years bearing in mind what you have pointed out above. What are the Libs like down there? If this bill is going to be debated in Parliament couldn’t a vote of no confidence in the government be sanctioned. And on another level how do you get through to the general public. No point putting anything on facebook or twitter as you will be raided. Any use in old fashioned letter box dropping? As KH indicated above the govt money tree cannot last forever, the complacency and ignorance is just astounding.
Absolutely, he is nuts ! It is no secret he is a committed communist and is no doubt relishing the destruction of all the businesses. The Opposition Leader is set to introduce a motion of no confidence against Daniel Andrews in parliament, but Labour has a strong majority. Even though he is getting blasted from the majority of MSM and the Prime Minister, most Melbournians are Guardian reading luvvies and remain wilfully ignorant of any criticsm . Their human rights concerns are restricted to woke issues.
62% !, if true they deserve all they get except for those being prevented from leaving the State
I know. I really am so tired of trying to bring people to their senses, I think the only option is to leave if and when that becomes possible.
Scary, scary stuff, nat. Yet I saw something in the Telegraph last week that Andrews is really popular with Victorians, people have pictures/flags of him in their yards etc and seemingly happy with the harsh lockdowns. Is this true do you think?
Yes, I know it’s true ! Polls show 68 % approval rating and believe it , judging from friends and family.
62% of the weak still means 38% of people hopefully strong enough to make a substantial stand against these measures
I hope so too.
Pictures? Really? Flags?
Hmmm…
Yes, apparently so. It gives me the creeps.
Glad I took my family to London.
I don’t envision coming back (not that I could anyway) anytime soon. My mate had to go back to Sydney (where I’m from) and had to pay to stay in a hotel for 14 days, with security patrolling the corridors. His daughter would bring him “care packages” because the food was not hotel food, but prison food.
The problem is, while even he thought it was a bit strong, he doesn’t seem deeply troubled by it all.
Some of my cousins are in Melbourne. The stories from them are, well, disturbing.
Perhaps we should move to Sweden.
I’ve heard the food is terrible as well. On top of that the rooms are air conditioned with no access to fresh air let alone sunshine. Apparently a Travelodge in Sydney was evacuated by the army and police a couple of weeks ago and inmates quarantined to other hotels. Rooms filthy etc. It was nice your friend’s daughter could get provisions through. It seems most returning o/seas passengers are aware of quarantine and accepting of it. We are definitely better off in NSW (at the moment) as we can move freely from our homes whenever we want to..
I have heard that too, awful food and not allowed fresh air at all in 14 days. If this Bill gets passed I will be moving if and when that becomes possible.
Sky News Australia had a vid yesterday with interview clips of Australians stranded abroad.
About half the comments were ‘good luck to you mate you’re better off there than back home’.
The others were ‘you had the chance to come home earlier so stuff you’
Like a picture of Stalin on the wall – I think that was pretty much mandatory for a while in the Soviet Union.
Watch the first couple of minutes of this video:
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6192155615001
You’ll see some examples.
It’s unbelievable.
Good grief!!
In love with Big Brother!
We often criticise the UK government for not having a clear Covid strategy but in Victoria they have a 4 stage strategy and it is scary and ridiculous and a bit like the cartoon at the top of this newsletter.
Dan Andrews seems to see himself as Wyatt Earp and that he can deal with this virus like the shoot-out at the OK corral and totally eradicate the virus. It is a recipe for a 1984 style perpetual war.
The problem is that he seems to be setting the agenda that the likes of hapless Hancock feel obliged to follow with his talk of defeating the virus.
Combining King Canute and surfing you get;
“You can’t stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.”
But only Sweden (and possibly Brazil?) have had the nerve to take this approach.
and Belarus
I believe the Serbian populace said ‘no’ in uncertain terms a while back.
Dan Andrews is enacting a Chinese Communist Party-style draconian lockdown. The CCP must be so proud of him.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/belt-and-road-advisory-board-was-stacked-with-people-linked-to-ccp-20200528-p54xex.html
“Belt and Road advisory board was stacked with people linked to CCP
The board of an Australian and Victorian government funded Belt and Road foundation was stacked with advisers with high-profile links to the Chinese Communist Party.”
https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/how_ccp_influence_runs_deep_in_oz
How CCP influence runs deep in Oz
“June 12, 2020
Thanks to a new report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute [ASPI], our worst fears are confirmed: the Chinese Communist Party [CPP] has way too much influence in Australia.
ASPI has revealed the extent of the CCP’s United Front Work Department, with operatives and associates having infiltrated Australian business, politics and academia.”
Great links.
Congratulations to the Vice-Chancellor of Exeter University for cancelling the no-platforming of Caroline Farrow
She also faces calls from the University staff union to immediately ban all face to face teaching
‘to keep students and staff safe from the Covid’.
Easy life working from home more like. Students don’t pay £9k pa to stare at a computer screen.
Paying For Education AT University Is For Fools
The students might as well not bother. They’re being ripped off on a massive scale.
I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the University model? Originally a sort of monastic setup where students became part of the academic community. Now too many people are attending, paying too much, ending in debt, and sometimes gaining little benefit.
In the 1990s I worked part time in a university department just delivering teaching. I worked 2 days a week and did the teaching load of 4 lecturers. What were they doing for the rest of their time? ‘Research’. Who was paying for it? Mostly the students.
Agree BUT why did it happen in the first instance?
I have been trying to work out why what is going on feels so weird.
This crisis may very well be judged by history to mark the watershed moment at which the world finally turned from Atlantic centric to Pacific centric or at least when it became startlingly obvious.
A change from post christian ethical christian mores to buddhist mores.
Buddhism teaches the eightfold path: right views, thoughts, speech, conduct, practice, mental attitude, mindfulness and meditation.
So, now, does twitter
English law always used to be about everything being allowed unless expressly forbidden, innocent until proven guilty.
WHO is in the pocket of buddhist China.
And we can see where the eightfold path leads by reference to the fate of the Uighurs.
We can see, from twitter and the precautionary principle. that now society’s judgement has changed to a presumption of guilty until proven innocent
And we, in the west, have changed now from leaders to followers, led by an alien culture, and that is why this national reaction to a minor common cold coronavirus epidemic feels so weird.
I don’t think the Buddha’s the problem.
One of them is………
First, China isn’t Buddhist and never has been. There have been plenty of Buddhists in China, but it has never defined the country as for instance Christianity defined Britain (and all of Europe) for centuries.
Second, I don’t know whence you get your understanding of Buddhism, but as someone who has had a lot of very close contact with it for decades (I’m not, and never have been, Buddhist myself) I can confidently tell you that the Buddha’s ideas about right thought etc did not extend to imposing such on others by force.
Mark, I commented before reading your remarks. Spot on.
If you want to do a version of the Crusades with Buddhism taking the place of Islam, well, to each their own. But China is a totalitarian state.
Totalitarianism is what feels alien about this situation to me. I was born and raised in the United States, which certainly wasn’t a totalitarian state when I was a girl in the late 50s/early 60s. But Britain and the USA are walking a very strange path right now.
Someone told Jeremy Vine that he and the family were off to Spain for a fortnight
“But you’ll probably need to quarantine when you get back !”
‘Not really bothered Jeremy, me and the wife are both working from home’.
“We learn from history that we do not learn from history”
Georg Hegel.
Do we make the history that we use and an excuse for not learning?
Hindsight tells a story, not the fact.
“That’s the Covid cult: an endless cycle of restrictions followed by relaxations followed by restrictions as we wait for the vaccine Messiah who never quite comes.”
This is the standard “Fear then Relief” persuasion technique beloved by salesmen, marketeers and Behavioural Insight Teams.
http://changingminds.org/techniques/general/sequential/fear_relief.htm
And room 101
At the moment in my awareness 101 is allowed to insinuate into your expectations.
But in some places it may be ‘fleshed out’. However, it is still our fear that breaks us. And everyone’s fear of the unknown is the projections around denied trauma from a preverbal stage of our development.
And military interrogators everywhere, when they want to break down a prisoner.
I have just about given up. I didn’t buy into this from the start. The face mask rules sent me spinning. I have very little fight left and barely any hope. I am lucky as I still have a job, and have worked the whole time and no real worries but I am.surrounded by pod people who believe the crap they are being fed. I saw a sign up on a roundabout that said.”shame on you Boris”. Indeed, shame on all of them !
Shame for what ? Lockdown or not enough
Thank you.
Apologies for any hurt caused.
My comment was not questioning Francescas post, rather the ambiguity of the sign which can be can be read either way as with the Telegraph poll that finds only 6% of respondents agree with the Rule of 6, some might prefer a Rule of 2.
Don’t fight what you cannot see.
Above all else seek sanity.
Perhaps to sit
out by a tree
and remember
your humanity.
Everything in the deceit operates to get you to give your power away by reacting to its provocations and baiting.
There are deeper truths to life than the passing show.
And if anything can bring sanity to a world gone mad, it will be from those who keep their head and heart when all around have fragmented to panic or despair.
Live This Day Well.
Sufficient be the evils of the day thereof.
These are what rises within our field of responsibility.
Grow what you love.
Don’t disagree that there should be caution taken on testing regarding false positives. Certainly if just randomly testing the general population. But if testing is focused on the symptomatic and those who’ve been in close contact with the symptomatic, there is likely to be a much higher incidence of the virus amongst those tested than the general prevalence. So, yes there will be some false positives, but testing will be picking up a lot more ‘real’ positives. The 91 in 10,000 example in this post is misleading in the context of the testing regime we are supposed to have in place.
I’ve genuinely valued reading Lockdown Sceptics since the start, first time posting. But it is increasingly becoming victim to its own confirmation biases, and less balanced than it was at the start. And sadly seems less interested in genuine solutions / alternatives to the current policy approaches in favour of simply tearing down every intervention. I’m not clear what you’d propose we do instead? Assume the answer is “Sweden” – but Sweden’s approach hasn’t been without limitations on day-to-day life either.
Come off it, you can’t possibly think that 150,000-230,000 people who are being tested each day are symptomatic with symptoms matching covid-19 but then only a couple of thousand or so are positive?? The fact is there _is_ mass testing of the healthy taking place, because people are idiots and have been convinced getting tested is effective treatment in some way. Hancock and co are also proposing insane mass testing of 10mn a day by next year.
So yes actually it is extremely important to point out the false positives rate alongside the inability of PCR tests to determine infectiousness so that Hancock stop wasting £bns of our tax money on this garbage.
If you also can’t gather what the alternative approach sought by Toby and those in the comments is, I suggest you read more carefully. As for you not being able to tell the benefits of a Swedish approach which did indeed have some restrictions Vs our idiotic governments with many many insane restrictions…
I am in my car with a clear view of the local testing station. There is no activity whatever yet local people are being told to go to Wales for testing.
We are being lied to Big Time.
U.K. Column news had a big item on this.Create a need for a test.restrict access to increase demand then test as much as possible to get the ‘case ‘ numbers up
Agreed – a testing station near my parents in Kent is now being converted into a lorry park – part of the preparations for 1st January.
See this is part of the problem – people are ‘idiots’ , use of infantile terms like ‘bedwetters’ and ‘face nappies’ – it’s not constructive.
The narrative on this blog increasingly tends towards every intervention being wrong, idiotic or insane.
I would massively support a more Swedish approach in the U.K. by the way. But I don’t see hope of getting there when the debate is so polarised.
There is no need,it is over.We lockdowned past the peak,even Whitty admitted that.The time for a Swedish approach was sometime in March.We had something similar in the summer which wasn’t needed but now they have gone nuclear again.When we are fighting over scraps from the bins I don’t think we will be worrying about past use of nasty names
Call a spade a spade Michael. The people going for tests because they’ve got a runny nose are idiots, whether you or they like to be called it or not is irrelevant. One of the things the whole debate needs is a bit more honesty, and if that means telling people they’ve being stupid and pathetic, then so be it. Some cold hard reality would do people the world of good ‘get a fucking grip and get on with your lives’
Also – please tell me which intervention _isn’t_ any of wrong, idiotic or insane? One example of something they’ve mandated that isn’t at the very least one of the above…
But remember that many people are going for tests because their child has a runny nose and the school has banned them until they are tested and show negative. so in those cases the people are not idiots, the schools are the idiots
How many times have you come around to alternative point of view after having been called an idiot or pathetic?
Well, I certainly haven’t come around to the idea of wearing a mask because of being called a “covidiot” so I guess you have a point.
I too don’t like the term ‘bedwetters’, but admit to sometimes getting very frustrated with the people to whom it refers – probably wrong of me I know, but there we are.
A friend the other day, after I pointed him here, intensely disliked the reference to ‘bedwetters’, and it has put him off the site.
I replied that people like us have been called ‘granny killers’ and ‘murderers’; we have even been likened to terrorists. So the insults don’t go all one way. Which is worse, being called a ‘bedwetter’ or a ‘granny killer’?
Thanks for your original post though – confirmation bias is indeed a danger, on both sides of the argument.
Agreed. I’ve hated the way people wanting to go about normal life are branded ‘Covidiots’
I know many people who comply with the government restrictions in the belief they are doing good.
They are not bedwetters or covidiots but honest well-meaning people who have worked honestly all their lives and for whom it is inconceivable that the current tsunami of lies would emerge from a democratic government they trusted.
One they trusted to behave as honestly as they, themselves do in their own life.
They have no experience of the sadistic depths our government is capable of and have been shielded from the horrific and murderous destruction of innocent countries marked for regime change by the compliant lies of the MSM.
Now that destructive force has been turned on the home population.
These people are innocents.
Most are gullible, not innocent, testimony to the skill of the nudge unit and the guilt of the MSM.
The government lies are absolutely blatant, the “rules” so arbitrary that people are starting to question and see through them.
Those who are all-right-jack are definitely not innocent.
If there was a sceptical MSM, the public wouldn’t believe so much of the propaganda.
Hence the first things a coup captures are the Media and TV.
This coup was effected as capture over generations to ‘come out’ from the shadows through the trojan of a medical mandate.
The term “granny killers” is especially offensive and egregious. As if anyone on this site would deliberately want to kill anyone.
Those who set the term by propagating the meme know what they are doing is choking the life support of the aged.
Gates has called those who are critical of vaccines as baby killers.
Bush declared a ‘war on terror’.
The flagging to another or to any narrative of your own masked intent can operate as a cognitive dissonance.
Perhaps it is not wrong to feel frustration but to assign your own motives to them and blame them for it as a way to alleviate your distress.
I recommended a friend here who also found the bedwetting stank.
As for people who have or do or will wet their beds for whatever reasons that surely have nothing to do with whatever this furore is all about, welcome to a new layer of shame by association.
But not really!
Don’t give it permission to enter your mind.
The thing is, those already identified in shame have no access to the power of command, and are defenceless against contagion that gets in by the back door and replicates a mutation of their already installed ‘thinking’.
I agree about bedwetters (prefer sheeple) but I think face nappies is a very accurate description. Filthy things!
Yes, I’d go along with that. And face-nappies has the advantage in that it isn’t a direct personal attack.
I know people who are scared to death of covid (and have no need to be), but I still value them and wouldn’t want to use the b word to describe them. They are just have an overly nervous disposition, which in other times we would have sympathy with, not regard with derision.
Another sinister side-effect of the covid response.
One is attack on the person, another a depiction of an item of apparel.
Some of them are toxic before being used.
There is little awareness of environmental toxiciy – which includes innumerable solvents, plastics and substances that are ‘novel’ to our adaptive capacity – and many of which undermine our adaptive protection (our microbiome).
A major reason for this is that the polluters are protected by cover stories that almost completely divert attention to a gold mine for virological interventions and treatments – that are themselves part of the toxic synergy undermining our capacity to live a human life. (Degrading us).
Every intervention has been “wrong, idiotic or insane”.
Blame those who impose such bollocks, not those who oppose it.
I join with you in affirming that the polarising of identities of such infantile terms of self-superior and smug derision seek to mask in virtue of being ‘right’ because they are so certain of being wronged. If you cant get at the Global Gated governments and lockstepping assets – why not dump emotional frustrations on your fellows!! If I were the globalist manipulator I would smile at the polarising division as a fate accomplished. I don’t see what we prefer has any voice in this? Except in what we can practically engage in, such as preferring not to endlessly torment myself with it. or preferring to educate myself in any and all ways as to who and what I am, what is going on here and where shall I stand within it. I for one favour NO intervention from the outset. So for me the intervention of the state in our lives on the pretext of a paramount concern for our safety is bullying based on bollocks. I save more nuanced language for issues worthy of discussion. Once the target is phished, you have stolen their identity while they run off and do what you frame them to. That many seem… Read more »
In her evidence to the Science and Tech select committe on Thursday Dido Harding said that her own team’s surveys found that 25% of those surveyed at testing centres admitted to having lied about having symptoms to secure the test. The true figure will be much higher since most folk would not admit to this when questioned directly.
We must also remember that especially at this time of year a temperature, cough or loss of taste and smell could be related to a vast number pathogens. There is now a smaller chance than ever that one or more of those symptoms indicate covid-19
Toby’s false positive explanation is one of the most important posts so far I think. It’s reasonable to investigate further, but whatever the details this is surely the biggest anti-lockdown argument we have.
Big travel piece in the Mail today about going to Cyprus. It mentions in passing that you need ‘proof of a negative test’.
The uselessness of the PCR tests for diagnostic purposes was known since it was developed, and stated by its co inventor, Kary Mullis.
The arguments against the veracity of the claims for HIV was hardly covered by the Media. There is fraud and bollox there too. The novel thing about this ‘virus’ is it capacity to shut down the global economy and lockdown the healthy.
Hello,
beginning in March I followed the recording of test results and noticed only 0.5% of tests were positive then. So an awful lot of people were being tested then as now were healthy. In fact I believe 99.98% are uninfected even now so we’ll be doing an awful lot of testing for very little gain.I agree we should have followed Sweden’s way as we were doing before Boris was panicked into lockdown. I believe Ferguson’s prediction was based on the Spanish flu of 1918-19 when 225000 died in the UK. Why didn’t know one notice that Ferguson’s prediction was double Spanish flu which affected everyone unlike covid which affects mostly the old and sick.
I kind of agree here – I believe in evidence-based policy, and Lockdown Sceptics has got lost in its own hype a few times. Declaring ‘it was over in May’ or whenever is a bit risky when I think there is plenty of evidence to say the virus is still genuinely out there. Also calling everyone bedwetters and so on may feel good but it’s persuading no one and doesn’t do much good. A more mature approach will get more results – for instance people like Carl Henegan was giving evidence to the science and technology committee the other day. That’s a good thing. As for Sweden, it has had limitations, but it really wasn’t done like here at all, right? It’s the use of the law, the bullying that does, that really rubs me the wrong way, rather than treating the population like adults and respecting personal freedoms and choice to adapt guidelines to individual circumstances; the harms of al this lockdown, which don’t seem to be weighted enough; the lack of parliamentary scrutiny and accountability, which results in bad law; and, now, the tunnel-vision and doubling down and seeming inability or reluctance to consider if this approach needs… Read more »
Thank you. Fully agree with you here
Use of a law that stems from the 1984 Public Health Act which was to enable Local Authorities to detain infected persons against their will, not yo impose restrictions on a whole, largely uninfected population or parts thereof.
I don’t like words such as bedwetters as it is clear why people may be scared. We are constantly bombarded by the message from the MSM we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic. When the government introduced draconian laws people were going to think on the lines “this disease must be really bad to introduce these laws”.
Yes – I can’t get too angry at them nor do I think the term ‘bedwetters’ is appropriate. It’s not their fault really, the shame should be solely on the politicians and the media.
I’d much rather see repentance than shame.
Not to evade or escape consequences – but to re-align in an honesty of being to face them.
Yes, the virus is still out there. But it is going underground and becoming both endemic and now invariably asymptomatic. As far as clinical illness goes, SARS 1 simply disappeared, and so would this one if left to its own devices.
I agree with you. I’m vulnerable but I think we should be free to choose for ourselves what measures we take to protect ourselves. It is horrifying when people are shut in and prevented from seeing loved ones. Such measures have no place in a supposedly free society. Indeed they are a sure way of making people ill and likely to catch every virus going around! Let those at risk with medical conditions and old age be supported if they wish not to go in anywhere. Let everyone else get on with their lives.
Yes, I agree. I’m in my 60s but healthy. I certainly do not appreciate the government telling me what to do “for my own good”. I simply want to be left alone to go about my business in peace.
“plenty of evidence to say the virus is still genuinely out there”
Plenty ? Go on then …
My thoughts on what policies I would enact instead are summarised by this quote from Thomas Sowell:
“No matter how disastrously some policy has turned out, anyone who criticizes it can expect to hear: ‘But what would you replace it with?’ When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?”
Yes, ‘the virus is out there’ and it always will be. Listen to Prof Henegan in his evidence to the Science and Technology Committee. The virus is endemic. The good news is that the vast majority of us are immune and most of those who are immune will test positive, so what?
What is the syndrome where a firefighter sets a fire just so they can play the hero putting it out.
It’s what wankcock and his sorry crew are doing.
Pyromania
Also the title of a Def Leppard album
Welcome Michael, or should we call you Mike77? Reading from the start eh?
You’re a sceptic yet believe we are truly testing symptomatic people, which is why the figures Toby challenges should also be challenged?
Oh and Lockdown “Sceptics” has become “less balanced”? Pull the other one. The clue’s in the name.
Genuinely was my first post – so don’t know if you’re trying to link me to a previous poster or not … 1. My point was that, assuming we are testing as we say we are – ie people who are symptomatic, have been identified as having been in contact with someone with the virus, or are in a high risk area – then there will still be false positives in the sample, but not to the magnitude of error given in the article. I would be highly sceptical of the benefit of testing the population on mass because of the false positive issue. Not withstanding the ridiculous cost of “moonshot”. 2. What i liked about LS at the start was the intent to be sceptical yes, but also open minded. “(I also welcome rebuttals of those views. can see a thoughtful response to my piece in the Critic by Sam Bowman here, as well as my reply to Sam’s critique here.) Although I believe the lockdown needs to be dialled back, I’m not absolutely certain of that and am open to having my mind changed. The critical thing is that we should have an informed public debate about it.”… Read more »
Toby, sorry
1. The number of tests to positives, false or not, is so wide that the idea those people are symptomatic individuals is kind of bizzare. For then we clearly have an issue with what we are labelling as symptoms (which many will agree with) for what is the worst virus we’ve known for 100 years. Symptoms that are not really symptoms then would be the logical conclusion. No, what is happening is we are screening people based on fear with a PCR test that was never designed for such a purpose. Children in a bubble at school are being asked to seek a test if a fellow pupil shows these symptoms, or else face isolation for 14 days. So already you could have scores of children with no symptoms booking tests, and their parents in many cases. Then you also have frontline workers is a similar position. Anyone geting an operation of any kind also needs to be tested. Symptoms or not. There are even stories of people who have zero symptoms booking tests so they can see their parents, just to be sure. It’s a shambles and totally predictable so it begs the question why are our masters continuing… Read more »
2. It’s natural to feel that although measures seem over the top, something needs to be done. Because the propaganda is on a huge scale right now and it would be a bit difficult not to be impacted in some way.
Try it from the other side. Provide for us some kind of data which shows that 1. a second wave is indeed upon us and 2. thenew lockdown measures will prevent it.
If there is evidence, then we absolutely need to see it.
And. The false positives are a massive issue. That’s undeniable
From what I understand, most asymptomatic people being tested have to do so to be able to return to work on school. They are not sick and do not appear to have the disease. Hence the concern about false positives.
Yes. Tear down every intervention and get back to normal life. That’s exactly what is needed.
What other conclusion could you possibly reach after 6+ months of this shit show? Nothing the government has done has been of any use whatsoever. It’s been worse that useful. They’ve sent infected people into homes. The testing scheme is a fraud. The lockdowns have been an economic and social disaster. Masks have simply made people more fearful when they were meant to give people more confidence – except anyone with half a brain could have foreseen that. And they’re obsessed with keeping us in a holding pattern of self destruction until a vaccine come along which will be unauthorised and unsafe.
Tearing down every intervention is not only a genuine solution. It is the only proper solution. And the only reason it isn’t being implemented is because the bastards in government can’t go back on what they’ve done because they would have to own all the damage they’ve done and accept it was for nothing.
Just been told that out of 600 students expected at one Hall of Residence only 30 have arrived with notice recieved from most of the others.
No surprise really, with little or no classroom teaching, zilch social life and constant hectoring about Covid Safety why would they leave the relative comfort of home and the rediscovered friendship of their old schoolmates.
The university in town is opening next week. The buses have increased scheduled services next week based on the expected number. But I am wondering if I will continue to ride almost alone on the university service I use to get to my allotment. And what will happen to our bus services without the expected influx of passengers?
As you say, why leave the relative comfort of home? I’m sure the word is getting around as to what the experience will be like.
“Another song references a widely-shared Facebook post, of a screenshot from a UK Government website saying, “COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.” This link is blocked by the facebook censors. Anyone managed to get it elsewhere, please?
No but that phrase was included as a lyric from one of Van Morrisons new releases broadcast on BBC R4 News yesterday.
It was also mentioned in a debunk by the BBC misinformation team:
“Olga Robinson, BBC Monitoring disinformation team
Sir Van Morrison refers to a debunked Covid-19 conspiracy theory in one of his new anti-lockdown songs.
The track As I Walked Out includes the lyrics: “Well on the government website from the 21 March 2020 / It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk”.
It’s a reference to a UK government page that stated “Covid-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK”.
That much is true – but that doesn’t mean that coronavirus is harmless.
The HCID designation is given for very fatal diseases: for example Ebola, which kills more than 50% of infected people.
Covid-19 was initially classified as HCID in January – when little was known about it.
By March, more information and testing prompted authorities to revise the classification”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54194408
It’s here by the way.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
What we have is the Covid-19 industrial complex. A range of frameworks and legislations designed to make money for big companies. Matt Hancock plans to be a CEO at one of these companies at the end of it.
“It is because of the mad mathematical modellers. The academic epidemiologists. Neil Ferguson, and others of his ilk. When they were guessing (sorry estimating, sorry modelling) the impact of COVID they used a figure of approximately one per cent as the infection fatality rate. Not the case fatality rate. In so doing, they overestimated the likely impact of COVID by, at the very least, ten-fold.
However, just have a look, at the figures. Tell me where they are wrong – if you can. The truth is that this particular Emperor has no clothes on and is, currently, standing bollock naked, right in front of you. Hard to believe, but true.”
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/04/covid-why-terminology-really-matters/
This Ferguson Model is such a joke it is either an outright fraud, or it is the most inept piece of programming I may have ever seen in my life. There is no valid test to warrant any funding of Imperial College for providing ANY forecast based upon this model. This is the most UNPROFESSIONAL operation perhaps in computer science. The entire team should be disbanded and an independent team put in place to review the world of Neil Ferguson and he should NOT be allowed to oversee any review of this model.
The only REASONABLE conclusion I can reach is that this has been deliberately used to justify bogus forecasts intent for political activism, or I must accept that these academics are totally incapable of even creating a theoretical model no less coding it as a programmer. There seems to have been no independent review of Ferguson’s work which is unimaginable!
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/i-have-reviewed-fergusons-code/
As I’ve said before, in any professional outfit if you got such a model to production and released it to customers your company would be under investigation and you may end up in jail. For safety critical applications you would end up in jail.
The reason politicians believe the modellers is that they’ve been doing it already in other areas such as climate change.
Plus ca change
And part of the reason for the new lockdown, sorry local curfews , is that they are using computer models of human behaviour to predict how we will react.
We are Guinea Pigs running on a wheel for their entertainment.
Wankock seems to be thoroughly enjoying it!
While there may be some by product that fits what you say, the system controllers are refining a system and have little if any concern for us.
But every interest in reverse engineering our mind and behaviours so as to predictively program and immediately work any instability back into the program.
However, I speak from what I intuit.
Below the controllers are the useful idiots. Greedy people can be used.
I believe that the model was only used to give a scientific veneer to a political decision already made.Id say that the decision was made before March 13 when Johnson made his ‘loved ones will die ‘ speech
The temporary support of official designation was rolled back as a legal protection. Everything is done with an eye for legal comeback.
You can read a MMS media hit piece as a legal document and a sales brochure seeking not so much a sale, but an emotional reaction.
Everything terrifying was couched in legally defensible terms of may, believed, experts say, or is predicted to be.
Predictive programming also states it intentions overtly at the outset – albeit as if the virus is going to come in waves that will mean waves of contractions leading to the birth of a novel system of behavioural control.
The root csuses of our problems are that the people accepted the hammer&dance narrative and response, and that everyone but Profs. Gatti&Montanari accepts the pharma industry’s narrative that herd immunity exists as a real medical evidence, instead of just a theoretical epidimiological simulation.
Both of those doors must be shut!
Just read the Spectator article by Fraser Nelson that Toby linked above and came across this comment by a reader: “Probably because we used data that was coming from the actual situation, and not from some kind of theoretical model.”That’s the problem summed up. This is what happens when senior politicians stop living real lives, in the real world, with real people and have to resort to their soothsayers to let them know what is happening outside the castle walls.I can feel the mood souring everywhere. Despite the occasional neurotic fools I see on country walks, striding around in masks in the fresh air hundreds of yards from any other humans, nobody else believes this pantomime any more. It’s hard to take seriously Whitty’s apocalyptic drivel, delivered by proxy via Hancock and the PM when absolutely nobody in one’s town has been hospitalised with C-19 since April but you still can’t find a dentist to fix the toothache you’ve had for six months.Businesses are beginning to bleed out and close. The complicit smiles made when knowingly breaking stupid rules are getting strained. Sooner or later, people are going to decide they have had enough and start openly defying the law.… Read more »
I wonder if the public will break. Certainly I think ‘cancelling Christmas’ could be a breaking point. I’d like to think it is happening now, to stop any second lockdown in its tracks. I don’t think it will be ugly, though – in some ways I’m an optimist, and I think people might just politely ignore the rules en masse and get on with their lives in a reasonable way in light of the pandemic, as they are kind of doing now. No laws needed.
The other institution that might break is Parliament – I really hope it will re-assert itself this week and force the government to choose a new course, based more on the Swedish approach.
Christmas I suspect will break it. Also the end of furlough with the forecast of more job losses and bankruptcies.
Given that they know their stupid laws make no difference to a problem that doesn’t exist it will be very easy for johnson to uncancel Christmas in early December and claim the credit for ‘saving it for the long suffering but brave British public’.
I agree. That is exactly what I think will happen.
I agree.The virus is endemic in the population.It doesn’t affect the under 65s.They can declare it over anytime they wish.
I don’t know what is scarier.The thought that the government is being controlled by outside forces and the fact that they might really believe their own propaganda
the govt will most likely scale down the panic once they get the Coronavirus act over the line next week
Well it is both. People have to live with themselves (while they yet live), and if for whatever reasons are controlled by fear, coercion, blackmail, along with heavy financial inducements and protections and privileges that may include criminal activity given licence, and yes a belief in a narrative that justifies cracking eggs to make an omelette or breaking down and eradicating the old as the necessity for the shining path of the golden dawn of a new world order.
Communism does this and in a different was so does its counterpart seek to stamp out the new unless it can be brought into the service of the establishment.
Most everyone believes their own thinking. Its an almost universal addiction. The conflicts in our thought bear such fruit as we struggle and die in.
How can there be even a token gesture to re-institute Xmas? None of these supposedly viral suppressive strategies work, and thus there is no exit strategy, barring a fundamental re-appraisal of ‘mitigation’ strategy. At the least that would involve a full public acknowlegement of the shortcomings of the existing methods of PCR testing with urgent remedy.
All positives must be retested to provide a confirmation.
And there needs to be two sets of results; symptomatic testees and non-symptomatic testees. I can’t see this happening…
Quite the opposite: ‘Moonshine’ is about something else entirely, imo.
And Brexit will be imminent. Without wishing to be alarmist, I foresee supply line shortages at least a month before then.
Perhaps the brinkmanship is setting the breaking as a matter that will be timed to suit those who are setting the agenda most everyone is reacting to.
If it falls apart when their preparations are done it may be like waking from anaesthesia to find vital organs have been stolen, and the surgeons have fled to some hideaway.
There is gentle, for want of a better word, civil disobedience everywhere now. Noticed more mask wearers having it under the nose, less people wearing masks outside. More visits to other houses going on. Lots of little things like that might not mean much to sceptics but to previous absolute supporters it’s a lot. It’s a beginning
Or under the chin which I’ve seen a lot as well. Not to mention using the same mask over and over again.
I agree with the under nose wearers, but I see more and more people wearing them outside.
I’m the same as you, if I go into shops or in public transport half the time I’m the only one not wearing a mask. Unfortunately there is still a lot of brainwashing going on but the fact that I don’t see many people wear them properly or shove them into their bags, pockets or danging from their hands show that perhaps they’re seeing this as pointless theatre.
Yes, me too. I am usually the only bus rider not wearing a mask. Of course, the driver usually doesn’t wear one either, which does give me a small amount of pleasure.
The mask becomes another prop for the emotional investment of identity.
the masking over our light is a withholding of our regard or if you will, our blessing. The willingness to acknowledge others in their own right is not judging them from behind our mask.
Where we are living from, can be true of us, or a passing off in masking presentation, so as to hide from, or to hide behind.
In God we trust.
In fear we are trussed.
This post is a bit off topic, and a bit long, so please ignore if you are not into song analogies. Lockdown Sceptics theme tune. Good feature of the site, although generally the songs appear to be chosen for their titles rather than content. Regarding content, I posted here a few weeks ago how I thought the lyrics to Bob Dylan’s ‘It’s alright Ma (I’m only Bleeding)’ seemed especially aposite to lockdown sceptics. But there’s another, very early, song of his, which is little known now outside of Dyan circles, and which Clinton Heylin (if I recall correctly) said was perhaps the first great song Dylan ever wrote: ‘Let me die in my Footsteps’. The Guthrie-like drawl isn’t to everyone’s taste, although it does me just fine. This is how Dylan himself described how he came to write it: I was going through some town and they were making this bomb shelter right outside of town, one of these sort of Coliseum-type things and there were construction workers and everything. I was there for about an hour, just looking at them build, and I just wrote the song in my head back then, but I carried it with me for… Read more »
Never been a Dylan fan—I enjoyed your post though. I like those lyrics and the story behind them. Thank you
Thanks for reading. Such posts risk clogging up the site, but I wanted to get it off my chest.
just listening to it!
I haven’t heard it for a bit, but remember it well – might play it again now.
I like the eclectic nature of the posts here!
Some are a real breath of fresh air in the middle of a string of despair – and both are completely valid.
Yes, I do like the huge range here – from the highly technical, to the personal, to the expletive-riven rants.
Can anyone give me the link to the BBC’s page that showed five reasons why the second wave may not be real? Increased testing etc. I cannot find it! Thanks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54064347
That’s it! Thank you so much!
If “we” and I say we as a the original band of sceptics to which the numbers seem to be growing by the minute, are right then surely this has no more than 2-3 weeks to run?
If deaths don’t suddenly jump to hundred per day in that period then the government will be in an impossible position.
Even the ONS is not going to be able to make up death numbers.
Personally I think the school returns will soon settle down, the stats are already showing calls to NHS 111 have started to drop off.
University returns was always going to be a lunch point and I think many are fearful of that.
Again give that 2-3 weeks and if that bottom line is still flat then it’s effectively over.
Sadly no. That’s why the new lockdown comes in now.
If they left it a few more weeks and nothing much happened, it would indeed be over.
So they have to lock down now before this happens. Then they can say that they avoided the new wave of death only thanks to their highly successful lockdown.
Yes I agree but what that does is make these changes now a huge overreaction.
The dissenting voices grow louder by the hour.
So actually these new local restrictions play into our hands.
We expect the deaths not to increase and when they don’t our perspective will be seen as the right one.
So the government are perhaps coming into line now and believe what Carl is telling them but don’t want the risk of this being out of control.
When it’s not in 2-3 weeks he will be right and the government can’t be accused of locking down too late again.
Win win for the government.
Well, that’s one way of looking at it. I hope you are right.
But look at the muzzle nonsense. That all began in June (!), so you might reasonably say “if they worked, where has this so-called second wave come from?”.
But the question simply doesn’t arise. They just double down and move on to the the next diktat, without a murmur of dissent in the media or among politicians.
The BIG difference in the spring was the need to protect the NHS.
People bought into that but the questions people are asking more and more is why that applies now when deaths and hospitalisations are down to manageable levels.
The numbers in a March and April were not good, we know that.
So the government I think are over reacting now because they don’t want to be blamed for not reacting fast enough.
But that only lasts a few weeks.
Too many influential people and MPs are challenging this now.
Hope you’re right. Also charities particularly are getting hammered, big news piece about Help for Heroes shutting regional branches & hemorrhaging staff in large numbers might make a few more wake up.
Not just deaths and hospitalisations down, but people are actively angry about the lack of treatment for conditions like cancer. And that anger is welling up again with the latest clearance of the hospitals for the “second wave”. I read hundreds of angry comments on the Daily Mail this morning – have to do something on my bus ride!
I agree the dissenting voices are growing louder both in “real life” and various internet platforms such as comments sections and even on Twitter dissenters are getting as much support, if not more, than Covid lovers. Unfortunately, these occasional public surveys that the PM governs by still show around a 60-65% support for this nonsense, only down 25% from the height of 90%ish in May. Hopefully by December when people realise their Christmas is fucked the support will dip below 50%.
“If they left it a few more weeks and nothing much happened, it would indeed be over.”
I think that’s a brilliant one sentence summary of the whole farce.
Another new Mark, or are you the same one who’s been posting occasionally over the past few weeks?
Interested to know if you are signed up or not, because I’m still logged in as Mark, so if you are signed up and logged in under the same name then that seems a little odd, that the software would allow that.
I wish I had your faith, hotrod! The genius of the narrative they have shaped means that they can argue ad infinitum that the second wave is just around the corner. With the current testing protocols positive tests can never be eliminated which will be Boris’s ‘evidence’ that we have yet to beat the virus.
Even if we tested a million a day and we found viral load in 20,000 people if the deaths stay flat ALL people will soon realise the test is flawed.
Right now that number of sceptics is growing.
Maybe (if you mean positive tests, rather than viral load), but the counterargument then is that all the measures in place are what is keeping the death-rate down and the rise in deaths will always be just around the corner if we don’t do as we are told. We are hearing quite a lot that masks and anti-social distancing are argued to reduce viral load which means that transmission continues but not enough virus is passed on for people to become seriously ill.
Sadly I don’t believe all people would think the test is flawed – that hasn’t happened where I am in Melbourne, where a major escalation in tests produced more cases. If people are told cases are increasing most will believe it without question.
It’s been flat lined for three months, hasn’t stopped the tossers.
The problem is that people will die. The virus appears to be very infectious but not very fatal, except to those who are terminally ill. Since there is a renewable supply of people who are terminally ill, there will always be a spike in deaths when a period of isolation is stopped.
The critical question is: where does the spike end. Their argument is that you will have released an unstoppable exponential wave of death, and so you dare not let it even begin. You can see why that argument is self-reinforcing forever.
“Even the ONS is not going to be able to make up death numbers.” — Well, they have been doing that all along (revised down for one obvious lie, yet to correct the others) so I dont see what will stop them this time.
Depends on the death certification process. A friend’s elderly relative died of cancer but it was jotted down as probable covid. The removal of the Shipman controls is highly dangerous and no longer necessary.
Pretty similar recording pattern worldwide, from what I can see. Hence why George Floyd is a covid statistic!
So the vaccine is the cavalry, eh? Really?
DNA-changing, unlicensed, with no long-term safety record and manufacturers indemnified against any injury liability. And it will not even necessarily stop you catching CV-19 (full sterilising immunity is NOT a requirement).
All to combat a virus that has effectively burnt itself out and has all but ceased to hospitalise or cause any deaths – and for which HCQ+Zinc is a cheap and ready cure, as proved in Africa.
Bearing in mind that most of these new “cases” come from false positives, as Michael Yeadon has noted, none of this makes any sense at all in terms of health.
But it makes all too much sense in terms of Covid passports – and an electronic population surveillance and control grid, which globalists like Blair have wanted for decades: a classic case of problem-reaction-solution. Worrying, to say the least.
Do you have a link/paper for my records of HCQ+Zn as a cure/prophylactic in Africa?
My info is from a friend over there in health sector. There are also some interesting graphs going around, looking at death rates and HCQ use.
This article may provide a few pointers, but it will not open for me: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/hydroxychloroquine-is-why-uganda-with-a-population-of-43m-has-only-15-covid-19-deaths
I will frankly admit that getting the papers you want is tricky. It is like someone wanted to bury good news about HCQ…why would anyone do that?
There is reams and reams of evidence growing by the week.
This site is good:-
http://covexit.com/
The associated Facebook group has been recently taken down (shamefully), which was a mine of quality information and links. The equivalent discussion group has moved here:-
https://www.minds.com/groups/profile/1152734811007930368/feed
I’m sure if you digest the above you will find something on Africa.
The vaccine scene if it comes is going to be a living nightmare. Ignoring the rushed, improperly tested aspects. They are thinking in terms of not just a single vaccine but indivduals being given one that best suits them. Each giving different levels of cover. The paperwork/digitalwork will be an unworkable disaster in operation.
I agree, we already see this with influenza vaccines depending on age group etc. And that’s before the impending digital medical passport. It’s undeniable that this is coming soon.
I just want a reference of HCQ treatment in Africa. I have papers/articles reporting from Belgium, Brazil and USA but not for Africa. I vaguely remember something a while back about its use in Morocco. Maybe there is a review article of substance anyone knows of?
Not sure if you’re aware of America’s Frontline Doctors – the group that spoke out in favour of HcQ & other things earlier this year and got hammered for it; one of them has a lot of experience working in Africa, – if you have a look around, might point you in the direction of what you are looking for.
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.us/
https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/moroccan-scientist-moroccos-hydroxychloroquine-82-5-success-reveals-european-failures/
Old folks given the “euthanasia” version. Young people given the “sterilisation” version. Bill Gates’ eugenics program.
Posting this again. A global techno-fascist (or techno-communist, take your pick) society is the endgame for the totalitarian Agenda 2030, and it depends ENTIRELY on the introduction of compulsory vaccination. IOW compulsory jabs always were, and still are, the purpose for the plandemic:
https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval
Not the usual Mark.
Because this crisis is being led from the pacific, intelligence from that area is informative as to how long this nonsense will continue:
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/malaysia-cuts-medical-tourism-targets-as-border-control-tightens
So that will be not until end 2021 or longer…….
OK I admit it reading the item in this newsletter about the false+ve rate made me feel like I was back in the undergrad stats course that I never understood.
In the example given above if, for the sake of discussion, the FPR was 2% then by the argument used the number of false+ve’s would be 200 which would be more than the number of actual +ve’s! and I am baffled.
I think this needs some expert in explaining stats to us thicko’s, as even the explanation in today’s newsletter did not make sense to me.
Any takers for this tricky challenge?
You’re quite right, the figures for false positive rates are hard to get a grip on. It is quite true that, when prevalence (true positives) is low, almost all positive results will come from false positives, and the false positive rate must be less than the observed positive rate.
That leads ONS to conclude that their tests have a false positive rate around 0.1%, which is plausible enough in itself but not consistent with other data suggesting a false positive rate around 2%. Of course, there are different tests and different ways of performing the same test. I’m trying to find out what’s going on here myself.
Richard, we (me and Mr TT) used and referred to the following in our submission to the vaccine consultation. Although it doesn’t answer the question definitively because there are so many testing regimes/machines being used, it implies the false positives could be as high as 5%:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734
Thanks for that. There is a GoS paper GOS: Impact of false positives and negatives, 3 June 2020 which says It is important to remember that laboratory testing verifies the analytical sensitivity and analytical specificity of the RT-PCR tests. They represent idealised testing. In a clinical or community setting there may be inefficient sampling, lab contamination, sample degradation or other sources of error that will lead to increased numbers of false positives or false negatives. The diagnostic sensitivity and diagnostic specificity of a test can only be measured in operational conditions A distinction that will be of major importance is assessing the reliability or even feasibility of a mass testing programme in which individual members of the public carry out their own tests. (The GoS paper of course does not address the issue of people having an incentive to actually cheat on their tests.) They go on to say The RT-PCR assays used for the UK’s COVID-19 testing programme have been verified by PHE, and show over 95% sensitivity and specificity. This means that under laboratory conditions, these RT-PCR tests should never show more than 5% false positives or 5% false negatives. and, more worryingly, We have been unable to… Read more »
There’s also a BMJ paper Interpreting a covid-19 test result which explains the evidential value in terms of a 2% FPR (and a surprising range of FNR, from 2% to 29%). However this is advice in a clinical context, where the population under test are much more likely to be positive than the population as a whole, and so the evidential value of a positive result is correspondingly high.
I think that chimes with the Harvard Medical School paper. All told, there needs to be a proper investigation by a genuinely independent and experienced team of statisticians and clinicians. At the moment we have policy outsourced by Boris (a classicist of dubious mental capacity at the moment) to Hancock (a first in PPE with an MSc in Economics who doesn’t appear to understand basic statistics or is being deliberately), with the assistance of Dido Harding (who has form in incompetence in the private sector).
I think that chimes with the Harvard Medical School paper. All told, there needs to be a proper investigation by a genuinely independent and experienced team of statisticians and clinicians. At the moment we have policy outsourced by Boris (a classicist of currently dubious mental capacity) to Hancock (a first in PPE with an MSc in Economics who doesn’t appear to understand basic statistics), with the assistance of Dido Harding (who has form in incompetence in the private sector).
That’s very interesting Richard, thanks. I cannot comment on the bodies you have worked with, although several people have commented as to the ability and integrity of ONS. My concerns are two-fold: skills and abilities of those carrying out and processing the Pillar 2 testing, particularly (the ‘rank and file’), and the motivations of those above them (‘the elites’). Suggest regulatory capture is as endemic as this disease!
Good post. Keep them coming!
Thanks! Happy to oblige. The ONS COVID-19 Infection Survey (Pilot): methods and further information states We know the specificity of our test must be very close to 100% as the low number of positive tests in our study means that specificity would be very high even if all positives were false. For example, in the period from 1 June to 12 July, 50 of the 112,776 total samples tested positive. Even if all these positives were false, specificity would still be 99.96%. This is expanded in a Medrxiv preprint (DOI 10.1101/2020.07.06.20147348). While false-positives may be a concern with a low prevalence – potentially leading to an overestimation of the percentage of truly infected persons that are asymptomatic – the low number of positive tests in our study overall is also reassuring since it indicates that the specificity of the test is very high. This is far better specificity than other studies, so we have to presume that these tests are being done differently. But I’m not sufficiently expert on the testing process to say why or how. If — and this is a big if — the “moonshot” test can achieve this degree of specificity, then the evidential level rises… Read more »
I’m going to have to read that again and think about it!
I’ve previously been involved (as an engineer) in government defence science. I’d say the scientific ability and integrity was patchy – largely, in my view, the consequence of the need to secure next year’s finance.
I don’t know about the GoS and ONS, but from what I’ve seen (little I admit) of the ONS they do appear willing to say what the government doesn’t want to hear (or perhaps I’m being a bit naive).
I think i understand it . Yours is an unrealistic example but logically correct. But in that scenario the implication would be that all the “positive” tests must be false positives – and so nobody is infected, But with FPRs below 1% the figures do add up indicating that a high proportion of the “positives” are false and so that shows how ridiculous the whole testing regime and the governments dependence on it is
But seeing Richard;s comment below I hope he comes up with a better explanation than me
I think I see what you mean, Steve. Yes, if the FPR was 2% then false +ves in that example would be 200 but since we haven’t got that many overall +ves that tells us that 2% couldn’t be plausible as an FPR. We would be putting rubbish into our calculation and getting rubbish out.
.8 % does not give us nonsense in statistical terms, but it renders the current approach useless (as indeed does 0.1% without any mitigation).
Or could all the tests be false positive and the rise or fall in numbers be entirely related to the rise or fall in testing?
I think we can all be confident that false positives make up a significant proportion of the “spike in cases” because Hancock is blatantly lying about what a false positive actually is…
https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2020-07/core-principles-for-utilisation-of-rt-pcr-tests-for-detection-of-sars-cov-2.pdf
Don’t know if this paper helps? There is a table on here which shows how the numbers of false positives play out at different levels of prevalence of the virus. It is dated July.
Hi Steve, Here’s how I see it. Say 1 in 1,000 people have Covid. Say the PCR test picks up all of those with Covid (ie there are no false negatives), but en route, picks up 1% who don’t have it (ie there are 1% false positives). [BTW this would be a very accurate test.] If you test 100,000 people, there will be 100 people with Covid, all picked up by the test. The test will also show up as positive, 1% of the 99,900 healthy people (ie 999 people). So of the 100,000 tested, 1,099 will show up as positive, but only 100 of them will actually have the virus. ie if you test positive, there’s only a 1 in 11 chance that you actually have it. 1. False positives aren’t an issue with a very virulent disease, so if 10,000 in every 100,000 actually had Covid, the above test would pick up all 10,000 who had it and another 900 (1% of the healthy) who were false positives – hitting the target with 10,000 out of 10,900 is good shooting. 2. You could easily pick up most of the false positives by retesting everyone who tests positive – the falsies would be… Read more »
This also doesnt address the cycle threshold issue that is being discussed more and more now (thanks Carl) too. Cos if you add the false positives to the ‘not really positives but not false’ you get even more, and retesting them wont make any difference.
“You could easily pick up most of the false positives by retesting everyone who tests positive – the falsies would be unlucky to test +ve a second time. It shouldn’t be hard to devote resources to this on a sample basis.”
This. I believe it’s being done in the US now in many places, certainly some of their major sports where a false positive can place an entire sporting event in jeopardy, perhaps for no reason. I believe the approach now is to look at the positives, and retest via a different test from a different lab. A ‘confirmed positive’ could then be dealt with appropriately on an individual basis; though since they have introduced this method I have heard of no issues.
Just to say that we need to know what the cause of the false positive is. If, as I suspect, based on the GOS paper, the inocrrect results are largely operational (incorrectly handled samples and so on) then successive tests on samples taken by different trained operatives and sent to different labs should be independent. On the other hand, if the false positive tests are incorrectly responding to something about the subject which is not the virus but somehow triggering the positive result, then successive tests will presumably produce the same result. One example, of course, is residual genetic material from a long-passed infection. I don’t know of any research into this question, and it may be hard to get at since the results will tend to affect the commercial interests of test labs and equipment manufacturers, not to mention the scientific difficulty of obtaining ground truth.
Carl Heneghan said It is because they are multiplying the sequence up to 45 times so it cannot differentiate between a live and dormant virus trace.He suggested 25
The ability to define the virus, set the testing parameters, dictate the treatments and mutate the definitions, testing and treatments to maintain the desired result is a way of playing god.
‘Citizens assemblies’ are the last thing we need.
We have far too many politicians as it is.
In fact citizens assemblies already exist, local councils etc. but they do not fulfil their democratic functions effectively.
So not more politicians, but constitutional reform, more delegation of powers from the centre, is urgently required:
Federal Britain with an English Parliament
County councils empowered, each with a representative to sit in a reformed and reconstituted, renamed, house of lords.
That would be a start.
The house of commons is now overmighty and quite clearly needs a democratically mandated reviewing and amending supervisory chamber to prevent this abuse of power ever happening again.
just see what the climate change citizens assemblies are like. Only selected from those that applied that already had strong views on climate change.. so output from them just parrots the green party manifesto.
As independent as WHO
The Green Deals were well intentioned when conceived, but will be co-opted by markets that will “green wash” their stocks and use that as an excuse to receive loads of taxpayer money direct from government. Promotes large scale corruption and the embedding of inefficiencies. And I say this as someone who has voted green in local elections before ha.
And they suggested replacing nuclear with solar/wind. No understanding of baseload or the lack of pumped storage potential in the UK.
The problem with our system is that it evolved to keep the monarch in check.It worked well but the prime minister is now the monarch in parliament.They also control parliament.The House of Lords since losing the hereditary peers is full of placemen.
When we have a government with a large majority we end up with an elected dictatorship
“constitutional reform, more delegation of powers from the centre, is urgently required”
I agree. But can you see any way it might happen?
I’ve tried every approach I can think of over the last five years or so (including trying to start a constitutional reform party, Local Sovereignty) but I haven’t found much public interest in the idea. Unless the courts can be persuaded to order a constitutional overhaul, I don’t see any prospect of worthwhile reform happening this side of a societal collapse.
My local council’s policy is more draconian and stupid than the government’s!
Just to have a functioning HofC would be a good start for now.
I am emailing my mp every day at the moment. This is today’s instalment:- “In the cost/benefit calculation that the government is using, how is the market rate of 1 covid death calculated? And what is it currently? I’m guessing it must be something like 100 cancer deaths, 30 heart attacks, 20 strokes and 10 suicides? Is that about right? How has it been determined that a covid death (average age 82) is worth more than say a 40 something dying of cancer leaving behind a couple of teenagers? The numbers of much younger people than 82 unnecessarily dying of other causes will be vastly above normal rates over the next few years due to the ever increasing backlog of appointments and referrals. Prof Karol Sikora (emminent oncologist) stated in an interview recently, that half the number of patients are being seen compared to normal times. Every day the queues are increasing and the wait times get longer and longer before a diagnosis can be confirmed. Every day is crucial. People are now waiting 4 months instead of 4 weeks, and some are terminal before they even have their diagnosis confirmed. In what universe is that OK? My 77 year… Read more »
Bravo. So sorry for your Mum. I hope your letter gets the response it deserves.