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by Will Jones
21 September 2020 1:30 AM

Oxford University Scientists Demolish Government Case for Second Lockdown

Professor Carl Heneghan and crew at the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine have been working overtime at the weekend pushing back against the Government narrative.

The Mail yesterday published their demolition of the Government’s paper-thin case for imposing yet more emergency restrictions to try to suppress and eliminate this virus. Entitled “The only ‘circuit break’ in the pandemic we need now is from the Government’s doom-mongering scientific advisers who specialise in causing panic and little else“, they don’t hold back.

Today, our bewildered Prime Minister and his platoon of inept advisers might as well be using the planets to guide us through this pandemic, so catastrophic and wildly over-the-top are their decisions.

Now we look set to repeat the pattern of what happened six months ago when they first panicked the country into shutting down, except that this time it has been given a fancy title – operation ‘circuit break’.

Whatever the name, it may be a grave error with terrible consequences for the health of the British people and for the health of the country. How can we possibly be making the same mistake – again?

Why is it that the Government is once again in the grip of doom-mongering scientific modellers who specialise in causing panic and little else?

They address head-on the comparison with Spain, pointing out that the second ripple in Spain appears already to have peaked:

Take the latest reliable data from Spain (up to September 3) which does not indicate any sort of upward curve in infections, let alone one coming to get us here in Britain.

In fact, the data shows that the number of Spanish cases did grow last month – but then reached a plateau.

Some of Spain’s 17 provinces are already past the peak infection (when considered by the date that symptoms began), while the proportion of completely asymptomatic cases in Spain is on the rise. [See the graphs here, pp9-10.]

Anyone who has clinical experience of dealing with respiratory viruses knows that the only certainty is uncertainty itself.

Yet our PM, and his Dad’s Army of highly paid individuals with little experience of the job at hand, continue to behave as if they are acting on the basis of certainty.

Instead, they move from one poorly designed, rash decision to another, driven by the misguided belief that we are experiencing a ‘second wave’, following Spain’s ‘trajectory’ and just ‘behind the curve’ there.

Most people now have colds, not Covid, they say – though that in itself creates problems for our overstretched testing system:

The good news, then, is that anyone going down with a new respiratory illness is likely to be suffering from a cold – not Covid.

But the rhinovirus presents us with a problem, too. Because the symptoms of a cold mean many of us will need a Covid test. 

And increased Covid testing is picking up dead – entirely harmless – fragments of virus as well as genuine infections. So many of the positive results we think we are getting might not be positives at all.

Our inability to accurately report the most simple measures – the proportion of positive tests that were asymptomatic or the date at which the symptoms began, for example – is a major problem for our intelligence gathering.

And the result is a confused, rudderless Government lost in a swamp of poor statistics and ill-informed recommendations.

Worth reading in full.

The CEBM’s full consideration of the situation in Spain is here. There are also other new pieces from Carl Heneghan and co in the Speccie on the impossibility of the Government’s apparent aim of eliminating the virus, and in the Telegraph on the problems with testing. Plus a video on Sky here on the non-existent second wave.

Stop Press: Even the BBC is letting some sceptical comment through. Here’s their health correspondent Nick Triggle yesterday:

The idea of curbing the spread of the virus to stop the NHS being overwhelmed brought people together in the spring.

But what is the aim now the NHS was not overwhelmed? Suppression of a virus that clearly can’t be suppressed without a huge cost to society?

As Prof Robert Dingwall, a government adviser, put it last week, this virus is here “forever and a day” and the public may just be growing comfortable with the idea that people will die – just as they accept that people die of flu ever year.

If only someone had pointed this out before.

The Only Thing Unprecedented About This Pandemic is the Hysteria

Making an apocalypse out of a pandemic

Tim Black has written an intriguing piece on spiked comparing the world’s reaction to COVID-19 with 20th century pandemics such as the Asian Flu. Fascinating, and a clear indictment on our present hysteria.

When, in July 1957, British prime minister Harold Macmillan told a Tory Party rally that the British people “had never had it so good”, supplying the postwar period with its famously optimistic gloss, one historical fact tends to be overlooked: the world was in the grip of a pandemic.

Influenza A virus subtype H2N2 – known as the Asian Flu – had emerged in China in the winter of 1956-7. By April, Hong Kong had reported 250,000 cases. By June, India had recorded over a million. Later that summer, as Macmillan was basking in the postwar boom, the Asian Flu hit Britain and the US. By the time the pandemic had been contained in 1958, it is estimated to have killed about 1.1million people worldwide, including over 30,000 in the UK and over 100,000 in the US.

Yet there Macmillan was, painting a rosy picture not just of the present but of the future, too. The Labour Party was similarly unconcerned by the pandemic raging outside its door, preferring instead to address other matters it deemed more pressing, from the make-up of the Shadow Cabinet to arguments against unilateral nuclear disarmament, for which shadow foreign secretary Nye Bevan was heckled at that October’s party conference – held, as it happens, when UK deaths from Asian flu were at their peak.

Likewise, media coverage of the pandemic was restrained. As the historian Mark Honigsbaum wrote in the Lancet: “There were few hysterical tabloid newspaper headlines… Instead, the news cycle was dominated by the Soviet Union’s launch of Sputnik and the aftermath of the fire at the Windscale nuclear reactor in the UK.”

In fact, the 1957-58 influenza pandemic barely seemed to register as anything other than a public-health problem. The approach, led by local and regional medical authorities rather than central government, was pragmatic, and perhaps a little fatalistic. “We will have our epidemic of influenza, of a type not very different from what we know already, with complications in the usual age groups,” remarked Ian Watson, Director of the College of General Practitioners’ Epidemic Observation Unit in June 1957.

Worth reading in full – although Lockdown Sceptics got there first, of course.

The End of the Union?

We’ve received an email from an academic at a Scottish University. He thinks the most destructive legacy of the Boris’s epic mishandling of the coronavirus crisis might be the break-up of the United Kingdom.

Thank you so much for this website. You have helped to preserve my sanity during this time of global madness. I am a politics lecturer at a Scottish university, so the hardest thing about this is seeing that very few people value liberal democracy, having no problem when democratic governments took away their freedom with so little (if any) hard evidence to support lockdowns and mask requirements. Even though some recent literature showed that support for liberal democracy was in decline, especially among young people, I was still surprised at what happened and am increasingly alarmed at where things are going. Critical thinking went out the window in March and is still hard to come by, but your website seems to be bringing some rational thought back into this benighted world. I remain hopeful that a new Prime Minister could change things. Otherwise, I cannot see any way out of what was the biggest overreaction in history. The basic problem is that governments cannot admit that they overreacted to the hysteria instigated by the media and wrecked the economy and healthcare services, along with causing serious damage to our freedom. I do not believe the conspiracy theories and fear that their advocates are harming the efforts of those of us who stick to the evidence. I have interviewed enough politicians to know that many are prone to groupthink and following the herd. Here in Scotland, independence now seems closer than ever. Unionist politicians, both here and in London, are handling the situation very badly. Nicola Sturgeon seems to have a Svengali effect on most of the Scottish population, while Boris Johnson appears to be all over the place. While the economic, democratic and health costs of the coronavirus hysteria will last for years, the biggest cost of all might be the territorial integrity of the UK.

A Dentist Writes…

More on mask mouth. A dentist tells us:

Mask mouth: no surprise, as if the nose is partially or fully blocked mouth breathing is required.

Simplified: Mouth breathing dries saliva, which is the body’s mouth cleaning and tooth protection mechanism. Mask wearers should be advised to chew sugar-free gum to encourage saliva ‘injections’ in the mouth.

“I Had Been in Active Labour for Eight Hours on My Own.”

A reader who recently gave birth has written to tell us of the appalling experience she had having a baby in a London hospital in the locked down NHS.

I found out I was pregnant in January. I was able to go to my 12-week scan with my mum and husband, which was wonderful. However, that was the last time I was able to have anyone accompany me to any antenatal appointments.

I attended a routine blood pressure clinic when I was 38 weeks pregnant, where I was told my baby had stopped growing properly, and that I needed an urgent induction that day. All of this news was given to me to process on my own without my husband being present. 

My contractions started the next day, but my husband had to leave at 7pm, as visiting hours were only between 2pm and 7pm. 

My waters broke at half past midnight. I remember feeling incredibly alone. I called my husband and asked him to come in as we live a 20-minute drive from the hospital, but the midwife told me he wouldn’t be allowed with me until I was dilated more than 4cm and was transferred to the labour ward. This stressed me out considerably but I was already too exhausted to argue so I told my husband to go back to bed. 

I then sat on my birthing ball in my cubicle, put my headphones in and bounced my way through increasingly painful contractions. My waters continued to break and I didn’t know what to do and couldn’t reach my call bell because of the pain. One of the other patients must have rung their bell for me because the midwife came and checked on me and I asked for gas and air. My contractions continued to ramp up. I was texting my mum and sister at this point and they were like a virtual support team but no substitute for the real thing sadly. 

The midwife came back at around 2:30am and I asked to be transferred to the labour ward for an epidural, as I knew that if the pain continued escalating at the current rate I wouldn’t be able to cope for much longer. She agreed that I could go, so I called my husband again and told him to come. 

The head midwife then came and said that I needed to stay on the antenatal ward because there was no space for me on the labour ward, and that I needed to have the pethidine injection in the meantime. I asked if my husband would be allowed in because I had told him to come and she said we could “negotiate”. I had the injection before being transferred to a side room with my husband who had just arrived. I had been in active labour for eight hours on my own. 

I don’t remember much of the next four hours – my next memory was of being rushed down to the labour ward to have a spinal and an epidural. I gave birth to our daughter at 1:18pm. 

We were then transferred to the postnatal ward at 5:30pm. I managed to have a very quick shower in my room on the labour ward, thank God, because all the showers on the postnatal ward had signs saying they were out of order, presumably because of Covid. 

My husband then had to leave me at 7pm with my new baby, after almost three days of no sleep, on a ward of new mothers, which was also understaffed. Of course I did not sleep at all. I still had a catheter and a cannula in, neither of which I required any further, and I had to chase the midwives throughout the night to ask when they were be removed, until they eventually did so at 5am the next morning. This meant that I had a painful right hand and I also had to carry around both my catheter and my new baby with me whenever I went anywhere. 

There was nowhere easy to change her nappy, so I ended up doing it in her cot and praying she wouldn’t make a mess. This again, while having a catheter that I had to hold because it hadn’t been secured to me, and not being able to put any underwear on. I was bleeding down my legs as I walked around because the sanitary pad I had wasn’t secured. I felt like I was in a nightmare and if I had had my husband there he would have been at least able to help while I rested. 

I had also sustained a second degree tear, which had been stitched whilst I was on the epidural. I had forgotten about the tear until later on when I started to ache and realised that I didn’t know how to care for the wound. I asked the midwife, and she just told me not to sit on it. I had to ask for extra painkillers because I was in agony. 

The midwife brought me formula when my baby cried and she told me off because I was not feeding her. I just needed someone to help me latch her – my husband had tried just before he left but without much success. 

They also had to check my baby’s blood sugar before every feed. I had said I wanted to feed her at around 8pm, and then had to wait three hours for the test to be done, by which point her blood sugar was dangerously low. I was then told off for this. 

My husband was allowed back on the ward at 2pm the next day and I just prayed for his arrival. Fortunately, we were discharged that afternoon. 

A week after the birth I had to go back to the postnatal ward for two nights due to my high blood pressure not being controlled by my medication. I took my baby with me. I had to look after her on my own while I was extremely ill, and had to constantly chase for medication and regular monitoring to be done. 

As you can see, there were multiple instances before and after the birth when I needed an advocate and someone to support me; not to mention when I was experiencing intense pain for hours alone. Fathers are not an added extra, they are a necessity. 

This is a snapshot of my birth story under current guidelines. I am sure there are many more stories which are more horrific than mine. I hope more women don’t have to go through this kind of experience. It tainted my first day with my baby and has certainly had a traumatising effect on me. The Government need to lift all restrictions on maternity wards immediately to avoid any further unnecessary traumas. 

A campaign #butnotmaternity has been started on social media and there is a petition to sign here.

Stop Press: Another reader has been in touch with an insight into how the NHS is preparing for the second wave by yet again depriving ordinary healthcare of resources:

My son in law is an experienced senior nurse and does occasional shifts at the local, large and prestigious hospital in the A&E department. 

He tells us of the following: day the hospital – buildings and staff – have been divided into red and green facilities and teams, in preparation for the coming second wave: red being Covid-only staff, green being all other staff.

My son-in-law was allocated to the red team. They have all been idle, without a single Covid patient anywhere in the hospital as of September 18th.

The green team, however, have been rushed off their feet, without even enough ‘green’ porters to move patients about the hospital.

As a consequence, my son-in-law was asked to find a private place to change from his red team uniform to a green one in order to help out. He has not been re-allocated to the green team and will resume his red team allocation on his next shift.

It’s quite likely that he is not alone in being asked to do this. He says he feels the whole scenario in the hospital is something from a French farce.

French Hospitals At “Tipping Point” – But What Does That Mean?

The leader of an A&E union in France is quoted in the Telegraph claiming that France is in the midst of a “second wave” and hospitals are “at tipping point”. But what does that mean? It is yet another vague metaphor, the sole purpose of which appears to be to spread alarm, like “second wave”, “surge” and “spike”. Britain, too, is at “tipping point”, according to Health Secretary Matt Hancock yesterday.

So are hospitals in France about to run out of beds – is that what it means? Nothing of the sort. The truth comes out further down the page, when the report quotes the head of healthcare in Paris, rather than an excitable union boss.

Less alarmist, Aurélien Rousseau, head of the Paris region health agency, said that while “tension levels have reached maximum levels”, “we will not see a remake of the first wave, rather a second season of the epidemic”.

On the plus side, patients were better treated, less often hospitalised or placed on ventilators in intensive care and for shorter times, he said. Hospitals will be sorely tested, however, because “there is no question of deprogramming non-Covid treatment”.

The infection rate in the French capital now stands at 160 per 100,000 inhabitants, but the R level remains stable, he added.

Some 20% of intensive care beds are now occupied by patients with Covid, he said.

Ladies and gentlemen, the second wave.

And how’s our own second wave getting on?

How long do you think until they accept it’s over?

Back To (Nearly) Normal in Bergamo

A reader has returned from a trip to Bergamo, one of the worst hit cities in the world in the spring, with some encouraging news.

I’ve just returned from a three week trip to Bergamo. You would think the “Chernobyl” of the virus would be a scary place. Exactly the opposite: groups of adults and students mixing in any numbers enjoying the autumn sun, a large market set up in the central square. All the restaurants are as normal, no arrows, plastic screens, one way systems, etc. Just good food as you’d expect and normal waiter service second to none. Whilst mask wearing is compulsory in shops, in the street as you’d again expect in Italy half the population seem to wear the mask as a fashion item around their wrist. We had a lovely time and not once did we see the fear that seems to stalk every street in the UK. And no quarantine to boot upon return. At least the Italians haven’t forgotten la dolce vita!

The Real Science of Covid

UK Government policy – not based on science

One of our most diligent correspondents, from the moment Lockdown Sceptics was set up, is a financial researcher and fund manager who wishes to remain anonymous. Many of the best papers and articles we’ve linked to in the past five months were sent to us by him. He’s now accumulated a mountain of data on the disease and we asked him to assemble it in one place, organised under different headings, which he’s very kindly done. We’ve published it here and given it pride of place at the top of the right-hand menu and called it “The Real Science of Covid”. For those familiar with the Swiss Doctor, it’s a bit like that except, if anything, even more thorough. For sceptics everywhere, it’s an indispensable resource.

To give you a sense of just how useful it is, here’s the section entitled “The Collateral Damage From Lockdowns is Vast and Will Kill Millions”:

Lockdowns are the moral equivalent of carpet bombing, ineffective with vast collateral damage.

Disruptions to food due to lockdowns may kill more from hunger than Covid.

Covid is not the only illness in the world and millions will die from interrupted care, for example from tuberculosis and HIV, as the New York Times reports.

“COVID-19 risks derailing all our efforts and taking us back to where we were 20 years ago,” said Dr. Pedro L. Alonso, the director of the World Health Organization’s global malaria program.

It’s not just that the coronavirus has diverted scientific attention from TB, H.I.V. and malaria. The lockdowns, particularly across parts of Africa, Asia and Latin America, have raised insurmountable barriers to patients who must travel to obtain diagnoses or drugs, according to interviews with more than two dozen public health officials, doctors and patients worldwide.

Unicef warns on the consequences of poverty and malnutrition for kids could harm millions.

According to a stark report published in Lancet Global Health journal on Wednesday, almost 1.2 million children could die in the next six months due to the disruption to health services and food supplies caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

The first famines of the coronavirus era are at the world’s doorstep U.N. warns.

COVID-19 could reverse decades of progress toward eliminating preventable child deaths, WHO warns.

The Gates Foundation estimates that the response to Covid has set back vaccination 25 years.

Furthermore, there is good reason to believe that lockdowns increased deaths of the vulnerable and elderly.

This is true in much of the world. Here is a study looking at how lockdowns drove excess deaths for non-Covid illnesses.

Interrupting medical care kills people. More people died in Denver of unattended heart attacks during lockdown than from Covid.

New cancer diagnoses collapsed in the United States as the coronavirus pandemic first hit. Almost all diagnoses collapsed in the UK as well.

And same was true for heart attacks and strokes in the NHS in the UK.

Analysis of NHS data reveals the deadly consequences of the government’s messaging to “stay at home, save lives, protect the NHS”. During the lockdown, there was a near 50 per cent decline in admissions for heart attacks. The risks of COVID-19 outweighed the risk of seeking NHS care despite worsening symptoms for many people: 40 per cent more people died from lower-risk treatable heart attacks than usual. For strokes, the situation is further exacerbated by living alone and not having visitors as 98% of emergency calls for strokes are made by someone else.

The economic damage is also horrific.

The World Bank estimates over 71 million will be plunged into extreme poverty due to lockdowns/quarantines

The United Nations has warned that response to Covid is reversing decades of gains in poverty, healthcare and disease

More Than Half of US Business Closures Permanent, Yelp Says. Half of black businesses in the US have been wiped out.

Worth reading in full.

Round-Up

  • “The power-mad clowns of the Johnson Junta want to TOTALLY suppress a coronavirus – which has never been achieved in history” – Peter Hitchens’s latest – and it’s a corker
  • “You can’t cover up why face masks are wearing a bit thin” – Neil Oliver in the Times detects lockdown fatigue
  • “Preserving society must be our priority” – Strong editorial in the Telegraph arguing we “cannot remain stuck in this cycle of despair, where every uptick in infections brings increasingly authoritarian and repressive measures”
  • “Could Boris quit?” – Patrick O’Flynn in the Spectator wonders whether Boris still feels he’s the right man for the job
  • “Why I refuse to take part in ‘re-education’ that tells ordinary people they are racists” – Ben Bradley MP takes a brave stand in the Mail against the divisive and dubious unconscious bias training being inflicted on employees everywhere, and now on MPs
  • “Council banned staff from smoking at their desks at home” – How working from home becomes being bossed around in your own home
  • “We no longer want to be governed by fear” – France may be beginning to move away from Covid hysteria and this letter from medics may be one reason why (may need Google translate, depending on your French)
  • “Surge in demand for supermarket delivery slots amid new lockdown warnings” – Panic is back. Quick, grab the loo roll…
  • “A Proposed Origin for SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 Pandemic” – Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson wonder why the laboratory leak hypothesis has been so quickly dismissed when the evidence in favour is far from weak
  • “Time for the PM to take back control from unaccountable advisers – and bring in the Armed Forces” – Disturbing call from Sir Bernard Jenkin MP to bring in the army, also echoed by Tobias Ellwood MP. Laurel and Hardy?
  • “England-wide Covid lockdown needed ‘sooner rather than later’, says former adviser” – Neil Ferguson pops up again to try to wreak yet more havoc on the world. What did we do to him for him to wreak such a terrible revenge?
  • “‘Last chance saloon’: Britain given final warning to avoid new lockdown” – More threats and blame from Matt Hancock. Also Chris Whitty here

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Two today: “NO EVIDENCE” by Comethazine and “Why Can’t They Understand?” by David P Bailey

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

The Care Home Scandal – A Call For Evidence

Lockdown Sceptics has asked an award-winning investigative journalist, David Rose, to investigate the high death toll in Britain’s care homes. Did 20,000+ elderly people really die of COVID-19 between March and July or were many of them just collateral lockdown damage? With lots of care homes short-staffed because employees were self-isolating at home, and with relatives and partners unable to visit to check up on their loved ones because of restrictions, how many elderly residents died of neglect, not Covid? How many succumbed to other conditions, untreated because they weren’t able to access hospitals or their local GP? After doctors were told by care home managers that the cause of death of a deceased resident was “novel coronavirus”, how many bothered to check before signing the death certificate? The risk of doctors misdiagnosing the cause of death is particularly high, given that various safeguards to minimise the risk of that happening were suspended in March.

David Rose would like Lockdown Sceptics readers to share any information they have that could help in this investigation. Here is his request:

We are receiving reports that some residents of care homes who died from causes other than Covid may have had their deaths ascribed to it – even though they never had the disease at all, and never tested positive. Readers will already be familiar with the pioneering work by Carl Heneghan and his colleagues at the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which forced the Government to change its death toll counting method. Previously, it will be recalled, people who died of, say, a road accident, were being counted as Covid deaths if they had tested positive at any time, perhaps months earlier. But here we are talking of something different – Covid “deaths” among people who never had the virus at all.

In one case, where a family is deciding whether to grant permission for Lockdown Sceptics to publicise it, an elderly lady in reasonable health was locked in her room for many hours each day in a care home on the south coast, refused all visitors, deprived of contact with other residents, and eventually went on hunger strike, refusing even to drink water. She died in the most wretched circumstances which were only indirectly a product of the virus – and yet, her death certificate reportedly claims she had Covid.

I’m looking for further examples of 1) elderly people who died as a result of the lockdown and associated measures, but whose deaths were wrongly attributed to “novel coronavirus”, and 2) those elderly people who clearly died from other causes but whose deaths were still formally ascribed to Covid because they once tested positive for it, even after the counting method change.

If you have relevant information, please email Lockdown Sceptics or David directly on david@davidroseuk.com.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

I have a thirst to be first.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
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Thirst satisfied, let me say that Carl Henegan has done a superb job in demolishing the government’s absurdist claims.

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
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Sadly, however, totally ignored by our ‘leaders’.

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Adam Hiley
Adam Hiley
5 years ago
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He should replace Witty as Chief Medical Officer or proffesor Sikora

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
5 years ago
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Hello,
I agree unfortunately the government have dug themselves into a hole which they haven’t a clue how to get out of. The pandemic is similar to the situation out generals found themselves during world war one.
Whatever they tried would lose thousands of lives so rather than accept that fact they ploughed on wasting thousands and thousands of lives. This is what where doing we’ve followed the wrong strategy but instead of admitting this we carry on and hope some miracle or new discovery, literally anything turns up.

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Colin Smith
Colin Smith
5 years ago
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And as in WW1, an entire generation is being sacrificed to keep the fat old generals in safety and comfort.

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago
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From the Telegraph

SIR – A major rethink on how we battle coronavirus is urgently needed. Now, we’re far better informed, so locking us all down and destroying more lives and livelihoods are not the answer.

Even when a vaccine is found, it may not grant total immunity. In the meantime, as with every other disease, we must learn to live with it.

The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.

Enough of this hourly analysis, which creates an atmosphere of fear out of all proportion to the threat. Our best weapon against the virus, for now, is common sense, not over-reaction, which is devastating our country.

Richard Drax MP (Con)
London SW1

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Criminals being let off by the police to ease pressure on the courts, Telegraph investigation finds

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I see the Telegraph has its own “Global Health Security Team”

Straight out of George Orwell

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
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Needs to be sent to every other MP.

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EllGee
EllGee
5 years ago
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Forwarded to my MP

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Bill J
Bill J
5 years ago
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ditto

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
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Good idea – mine too, now!

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Have sent this letter, combined with Nigel Farage’s video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdkaq3S7nH0 (which he has circulated to all Brexit Party members), to my Guildford MP – with the comment: What is your position on extending the Governments powers again on the 26th September Coronavirus Act 2020? I hear or read NOTHING from you on the most important matter of our lifetime!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  James Bertram

Interesting lots of the comments to Farage’s video ask him to start a new political party so that they can vote for him as an alternative to Conserrvative and Labour

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Jo Baetke
Jo Baetke
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

As a remainer, I can’t envisage voting for Faridge. But on the other hand……

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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Baetke

I am a Brexiteer, but not from the Farage wing. I don’t think he is the right person to lead the counter movement for all sorts of reasons, including alienation of Remain voters. Most important though is that he was in favour of lockdown and the MSM/Government narrative, and has only recently converted. Nothing wrong with converting (Mike Graham and Julia Hartley-Brewer are now quite sceptical after being supportive for example), but I think it would compromise their ability to attack the Government and establishment effectively if they are only now coming out on our side. It does smack of opportunism to me. Far prefer that leadership came from consistent sceptics like Hitchens, Hannan etc.. I do think Farage coming out for us will help convince a large group of people who have probably followed the Government and MSM line up to now, but are stirring. In taht way he will be useful. He will also scare the Government as well.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

Agree. Farage supported the lockdown. Glad he appeared and would be helping the anti-lockdown message now, but NOT forgiven.

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zacaway
zacaway
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Baetke

That ship’s sailed, a new battle may require new alliances.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Baetke

The SDP are making the right kind of noises – perhaps they are the change we need.

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Adam Hiley
Adam Hiley
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

I joined them in April out of protest at the LibLabConSNP parties

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Adam Hiley
Adam Hiley
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Baetke

it’s no longer about Leave or Remain it’s vital We defend ourselves from a wayward regime that needs removing

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam Hiley

Well said.
I’m finding the leave/remain rhetoric acts as one big red herring. It tends to derail sensible and urgently needed anti-lockdown discussion in the MSM comments.

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Colin Smith
Colin Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Baetke

I know, suddenly I find myself willing to back anyone who adopts a basic common sense response to this « crisis ». Other political considerations can be sorted out later.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

We could do with a genuine clear sweep of politics. A new party free from any of the old faces or financial backers – can’t see any party featuring Nigel Farage getting enough votes to get any MPs elected – too divisive figure.

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Olaf Felts
Olaf Felts
5 years ago
Reply to  James Bertram

Snap.

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
5 years ago
Reply to  James Bertram

Hello,
I think with the warnings about mid October seeing 50,000 cases a day it will be very hard to not renew the Corona virus Act 2020. The mps are as much use as a wet flannel, I watched QT the other night and was disappointed how the mps dismissed the scientist views. So it’s a given it will be renewed all we can do is keep reminding people that lockdown as failed. While the UK and Europe are seeing increases in infections others like Sweden are seeing a decrease. We must let the facts speak for themselves and hopefully this will bring the lockdown nightmare to an end.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

‘The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.’

I honour him infinitely for those sane and simple words.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

PS. I’ve written to congratulate him. Great man.

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Jo Baetke
Jo Baetke
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Me too. Think he will be inundated….

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Norma McNormalface
Norma McNormalface
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes, I did too. I asked him to try and rally some more support.

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Gillian Swanson
Gillian Swanson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Me too, and sent a copy to my MP.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well said. Should be circulated far and wide

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Nic
Nic
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Yes its funded by gates check it out

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Rich T
Rich T
5 years ago
Reply to  Nic

B&MG Foundation funded Daily Telegraph £2.7 million pounds in 2017. They have funded almost every major media organisation in the world, so this is hardly surprising.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nic

Uncle Bill is a many-tentacled abomination!

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Well one queries why he didn’t say this earlier but yes, yes, yes – particularly the bit about not depriving the young of their youth.

Anti-lockdown MPs now need to a cross party campaign group to get traction.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

“There is more joy in heaven, over one sinner that repents”

Why on earth are you carping at someone doing the right thing.

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Jo Baetke
Jo Baetke
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

I’ve copied RD’s letter to Theresa May

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

Sent to mine

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Hester
Hester
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Priest

The bloke who heads up the Telegraphs Global health team, is the head of a company that specialises in something akin to stairlift production, when you next see a report on Covid look up the journalists biographies, one of them today who was putting out a terror piece as to whether children should go back to school, is actually a lifestyle editor who focuses on celbrity interviews and interior design. In other words the Telegraph adopts a call centre styleof Journalism, basically they have people with laptops scouring the internet for news putting stuff together and then senstionalisig. If it bleeds it leads. Just next time you see an explosive piece look up the journalists credentials.On the criteria they use, any 14 year old with a laptop could write

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Lockdown Truth
Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Are you on the 10pm – 6am shift 77? Is that why you were first today and still giving it large this evening?

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BJJ
BJJ
5 years ago

Again?

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

Sometimes the late bird catches the worm.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Only if it’s a late worm.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

He’s a lot earlier than most of the other worms. Don’t be too harsh.

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hotrod
hotrod
5 years ago

Great page today.

Suspect it’s going to be a BIG week.

Whitty v Carl Heneghan

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  hotrod

I thought you agreed with Whitty…

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

And answer came there none, because they are working from a script…

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

It. isn’t hard writing of Whitty
You just need to say it’s a pity
That this Whitless cretin
Has managed to get in
To power, with results that are s…..y.

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Gillian Swanson
Gillian Swanson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Great, Annie – perfect scansion, too!

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

no one in their right mind would get down to the nitty gritty
with a man so ugly called Chris Whitty

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adele
adele
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

There once was a man named Chris Whitty,
Whose advice was terribly shitty,
With a shake of his head,
Lock ’em all down he said,
We ignored him, oh well, what a pity.

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Strange Days
Strange Days
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Will you accept a clerihew?

Chris Whitty
Forbids proximity
Don’t ask
Wear a mask

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Strange Days

Excellent!

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Lockdown Truth
Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

…

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

A ditty about Whitty

There was a young lad called Whitty
All his friends thought he was a titty
they put poo on his chair, gum in his hair
so he burned the school down one night in a jiffy

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

That’s a shitty pity

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Whitty doesn’t rhyme with bastard, more’s the pity.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

The twat Chris Whitty
And the rest of the of the SAGE committee
Are supremely incompetent
Yet they won’t repent
For ruining sociality.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Chris Whitty
Is known for mendacity
And by being shortsighted
Lives have been blighted
And he has ruined the city

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Shitty …..
Not Pretty

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Lockdown Truth
Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

You’d know…

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Lockdown Truth
Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Lol
Pity

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I thought only Johnson and Hancock agreed fully with Whitty, apart from Bill Gates, of course.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  hotrod

Whenever anyone interviews Whitty they need to ask what he meant by this comment on the 21st July 2020 in the DHSC Committee hearing:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

When he can explain that coherently he can then explain why the big change in his stance in the last 6 weeks. To me he looks lies he’s runnings acred of being found out.

Apart from being mentioned by Toby once on here and then on a Hector Drummond twitter feed it has not been in the MSM once, anywhere.

My letters to HanJobs, nugget DePeffle, waste of space Hunt “social distancing is law” committee chair et al have been ignored.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

I was very cheered by Henegan going on the offensive. I was going to say I have never been so ashamed of or saddened for my country before now. But there is still that small flame of hope when we have people like him around.

But I come back to my oft-stated position. The political elite have totally failed us. We need a new dispensation: a political party that we can vote for that will dismantle the Lockdown Lunacy and the Mask Madness, that will stand for free speech rights because it knows why they are so important and which will pursue the interests of UK citizens, not Russian oligarchs (Osborne), Saudi dictators (Hammond), globalist billionaires (Blair and many others) – a party that will defund the BBC, take on the Marxist mafia that is holding captive academia, and beat back the Calibans at our door.

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William
William
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

How about ‘The Restoration Party’?

‘For the restoration of liberty, sanity and normality’

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Rabbit
Rabbit
5 years ago
Reply to  William

I am not a member so it’s not a shameless plug as I have only had a brief read of their policies, but the SDP appear to be against lockdowns. Someone posted this the other week as well.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Rabbit

And https://libertarianparty.co.uk/ too

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Libertarianism has little to do with liberty.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

It’s cute that you think that.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

opposition is also noted the Lady Hale essay and Sir Graham Brady’s intervention.

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Jeremy Enns
Jeremy Enns
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I agree with you, but one thing should be added to your list: prosecution of the decision-makers. Even if this is nothing more than a royal cockup, with those in power now guided by self-delusion, it is no excuse! Decision-makers must be held to a higher standard and their gross incompetence and negligence has already caused great, irreparable harm. It should not go unanswered.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Enns

This pandemic is clearly a long time planned event and it is heavily imbued with criminal intention. It has already cost the UK many thousands of lives and prosecution is absolutely vital.

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Enns

Absolutely – the failures are now so stark, and the consequences so serious, that there has to be legal accountability for it. Both those who created the failed models, and those who ignored the science, need to be prosecuted. I would include the press in this, but there’s not much we can do there other than punish the BBC, who unfortunately for them are the only ones we have the power to take it out on. Which we should.

With the growing evidence of the impact on the world’s poor, I don’t think it’s hyperbole to start looking at what has happened in the same way we would a war crime. It might have been by incompetence rather than design but the lives lost due to lockdown will be greater than anything we did in our equally bungled and ill-informed interferences in the Middle East.

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zacaway
zacaway
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

We need a party in favour of liberal democracy, unfortunately, despite their name, the LibDems doesn’t seem in favour of either. An new Liberal party perhaps?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

“I Had Been in Active Labour for Eight Hours on My Own.”

Guys… look, i know you are VERY protective of the NHS, but fuck me… time to wake up. The NHS is a shitshow. Has been for years. “But it’s free” no longer cuts it. There’s many other better health systems on the planet. Do something about it.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Agree. The National Health Service has been exposed as the No Health Service, No Hope Service and the No Help Service. The likes of France, Sweden, Switzerland have far superior health services, why can’t we learn from them?

Unfortunately, the British for some reason are unable to wake up with regards to this New State Religion. Time for another Martin Luther to step out of the wings and tell a few home truths.

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Mind you, the other state religion used to be the BBC, and look what’s happening to them.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Indeed. People are heeding the call to Defund the BBC in droves that even the Beeb are running scared.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Don’t forget one of de Piffle’s election campaign slogans was that the NHS is not for sale – even though it was blatantly being systematically dismantled, just like the Post Office.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Have to agree with this..My best friend works for the NHS (one of the BIG hospitals in London) and he has been telling me that the whole system is rotten to the Doctors at the moment are lounging around, lunches on expenses, a little renovation work (curtain replacement in the pool)that would cost 200 Pounds is 4000 Pounds because hey, money is not an object in the NHS, nurses crying because their cancer patients have stopped checking in ?( probaly dead) , COVID put on every dead certificate as a rule, because why not? He is a true believer but in his words people are losing the will to live in there. So why are we surprised by the stories like the one above? It needs to die and something else needs to be put in place.

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wayno
wayno
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Previous to lockdown, we have had 3 drains on resources (sorry children) all in NHS midwife lead, birthing suites etc.. and had nothing but praise for the service we received. Some trust are without doubt better than others and post code lottery also plays a part. But i agree there needs to be some radical changes to s disjointed system at best.

One area our trusts don’t seem to be good at is mental health, where as my friend who is bi polar and lives down south has had a much better response to his mental health before lockdown.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  wayno

A mental health worker told me that lockdown had a serious negative effect on many of his existing patients and that he has no hope of dealing with a new caseload of people who have developed problems because of lockdown.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  wayno

The question is, though: What are you comparing your NHS experience to? Have you been through the same things in a different country whilst being a resident and registered with the health system?
I know it’s all anecdotal, but my girlfriend’s mother works as a neonatal nurse in Romania. When she was told about how the NHS handles an expectant mother, through to birth, and to postnatal care, she was shocked. Some of the things considered standard by the nurses here would be grounds for malpraxis in Romania. Unfortunately, as with most things medical, it’s never obvious to us commoners, so i can’t even begin to tell you what the issues were, other than to say that it consists of a general lack of care towards the patient.
Either way, i invite you all to ask immigrants about their opinion of the NHS if the topic ever comes up in conversation. You’ll be surprised.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

You are so right. The care that pregnant women receive from the NHS is shocking. Lots of babies born with brain damage (oxygen deprivation) or die. Very 3rd world. Don’t accept these low standards just because you were told it is free, It is no free as we are all paying for it in taxes

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Peter Tabord
Peter Tabord
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

To be fair, the paramedics and A+E (providing you are brought in from an RTA or similar) are bloody amazing. My GP is pretty good too. But overall, it’s a shambles.

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Kate
Kate
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Tabord

Well you should all be happy soon. Because I think there will be no NHS for anyone very soon. Try complaining when we are left with nothing.

Incidentally, I have had excellent care on the NHS. The last thing we want is an American style healthcare system.

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Judith Day
Judith Day
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Many of us ‘ are left with nothing’ at the moment and have been since March.
A telephone consultation with a GP who then passes you on to a telephone consultation with a consultant is not ‘excellent care’!

I am now going into debt in order to pay for the private medical help that I should be receiving from the NHS.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Judith Day

Yes. For the first time ever, I had to go private last year for a very painful and potentially dangerous hernia. I had been advised, that there would be a 35 week wait for it to be repaired on the NHS. No doubt today, the waiting period would be indefinite.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Why people are marking you down seems very strange. The NHS is actually being dismantled as you suggest.

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Kate
Kate
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Well, this is a “right wing” site, whatever that means nowadays.
My sympathies are on the traditional left. Still I value diversity of views.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

I’m mystified by it as well as I said above. Perhaps someone will explain.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Kate, I don’t understand the downvotes on your comment. I can agree with three things you’ve said:

  1. I agree there’ll be no NHS for anyone soon. There may not be an NHS now, except in very limited situations.
  2. I, too, have had excellent care on the NHS, although it was from 5 to 13 years ago, so things probably have changed since then.
  3. The last thing we want is an American-style healthcare system. I am American and I can assure you that is the last thing anyone should want. I had multiple experiences verging on malpractice and had the “pleasure” of paying for them. Employers avoid hiring full-time employees because they have to provide them with health cover. It is a great system for insurance companies.

So I’m not sure why you were downvoted so heavily. Perhaps anyone who decides to downvote me can explain.

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Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Why, when discussing the future of the NHS, do people always refer to the American healthcare system ? I would bin the NHS tomorrow in favour of an insurance based system as found in france, germany, italy all of which have better outcomes than us for things like cancer.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Why is it that America is always used as a stick to beat those who point out the problems with the NHS?

Is America the only other country in the world?

There are other countries who have better health systems than the UK, why can’t we learn from them?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Wore a face nappy for the first time on Saturday.

I really enjoyed the experience. Didn’t even try the exempt stuff

It was on the flight out

In my mind I likened myself to the people who produced their identity documents to the Gestapo on the railway platforms of 1930’s Germany

The goons thought we were complying, in reality we were escaping

The OH and I have escaped the brutal pig dictator

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Where to?

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Allen
Allen
5 years ago

Hopefully more people are waking up to the fact that Covid™ is not an epidemiological event it is a business model. Quite similar in many ways to The War on Terror™. Both manufactured events that are meant to increase the portfoli’s of the super- wealthy.

It is vitally important to understand that public health policy has been harnessed to global markets. Instead of serving those at risk of sickness and death, these policies of financialization are constructed to benefit investors.

Manufactured pandemics create new investment products that increase the holdings of billionaires and further concentrate their wealth. 

The WHO, CDC, NHS etc are merely conduits for these investors who channel their investments through the likes of the Gates Foundations e.g. The return on these investments is staggering.

This is not going away unless and until we make it go away. All of the politicians that are “deciding” these things are spokespeople for these investors.

Global public health (and education) has become a plaything of financiers.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Know anything about WHO issuing Pandemic Bonds in 2017, due for repayment
(?) this year ?

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It was the World Bank

Washington, DC, June 28, 2017 – The World Bank (International Bank for Reconstruction and Development) today launched specialized bonds aimed at providing financial support to the Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF), a facility created by the World Bank to channel surge funding to developing countries facing the risk of a pandemic.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

Thank you, I saw it mentioned elsewhere, so is that where the money came from to pay the third world to go into lockdown?

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I know only what I read in the linked-to press release.

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Jon G
Jon G
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Viral pandemics are as old as the hills. As are abuses of power, exploitation and lying to the masses.
I may lament the response but this is a completely normal natural event. It would be notable if we didn’t have the odd viral pandemic.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Let me suggest another kind of ‘conspiracy theory’. (For one thing, I think people tend to put too much stock in the financial angle. I also think that Seedhouse’s “cognitive bias” explanation (presented in a 19 Sept post) is probably naive; for one thing these people aren’t <i>that</i> stupid, and they must have <i>some</i> knowledgeable advisors.) The nonsense we’re seeing may have to do with the November elections in the U.S. Why? Well, for one thing, the political elite and portions of the intellectual elite are quite aware of the growing populist revolt in the West and in other parts of the world (e.g. Brazil). They’re repelled by it, and at the same time they’re deathly afraid of it. In the words of (I think) a Facebook manager, they want to make sure it really is an historical blip. And since the keystone right now is the presidency of Donald Trump, that’s the stone they have to dislodge. If the pandemic fantasy can be maintained for a few weeks longer that supports things like mail-in balloting as well as keeping people fearful (and away from the polls?). But it won’t be as easy to maintain this in the US if… Read more »

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  nightspore

I want to add some glosses to my original remarks. 1) Not only does there not have to be a consciously coordinated conspiracy, these people don’t even have to be fully conscious of what they’re doing. (That’s problem with ordinary conspiracy theories – they always assume conscious intent.) Ultimately, I suspect that what we’re seeing is an instance of tribal defense. The problem stems from the fact that the political and intellectual elite have become a separate tribe within the nation state (for the UK cf. Peter Oborne’s The Triumph of the Political Class). This would account for their “political lying” (H/T again to Oborn); they’re willing to lie to people outside the tribe. It would also account for the brazenness and recklessness with which they’re pushing the theme of a covid crisis (as well as sister events like the “climate crisis”, the Trump-Russia collusion, etc.). 2) How does Boris fit into all of this? I think the best explanation is that at present he’s thoroughly bamboozled. He’s surrounded by all these types, plus he has a lot in common with them, plus he had a very bad experience with the virus that undoubtedly still has him spooked. So at… Read more »

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  nightspore

Boris is the main problem and he will not be part of the solution.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  nightspore

I can’t agree. They’ve forecast what they were going to do throughout. For example, we’ve known for weeks that they intended a lockdown for October.
This has all been meticulously planned and is being driven by the Behavioural Insights Team.

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Kate
Kate
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Absolutely correct. People do not understand just what the developments in control, communication, finance and technology over the last thirty years have allowed the elite to do. The nation state is irrelevant, so write to your MP all you like, they can do nothing.

They are constructing a world that is inconceivable to most people. This is why we may respond too late – they have powers we have never even heard of.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

So what will you do?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

The plandemic is a nice little earner and is also a lead in to the Great Reset. The brave new green world of the Great Reset will have nothing to do with the massively populated planet that we have today. We are moving into very strange times.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago

I have been a violinist in the Colorado Springs Philharmonic for thirty years. Today we received the horrible news that management cannot honor the musicians’ contracts. I suspect bankruptcy is not far behind. This is an orchestra that has been thriving and playing to sold out audiences for the last five years. For Beethoven’s birthday we were going to perform all of the symphonies in the course of two weeks. All gone. It’s just loss upon loss. We thought losing statues was bad. Losing the ability to perform and hear symphonic music is incalculable.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

I am so sorry. Live music feeds the soul, but these regimes seem to want to destroy everything that gives life meaning. It’s criminal.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

The.V pandals have landed.
Too sorry for words.
God protect you and your colleagues.

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Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

I so feel for you and the other Colorado Springs Phil musicians. I am an amateur flutist and have been playing with the university orchestra while working on my PhD; it looks like our orchestra society will become another victim. Some fellow musicians and I have formed a small chamber group in protest. We are currently rehearsing in my home, which might well become a crime in the near future.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

Go for it. Preserving our common musical heritage will be down to the likes of your lot.

All the best!

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Dr.Sok
Dr.Sok
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

Please can you record the rehearsals;- might be a great you tube channel.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

That’s wonderful that you’re playing with friends! As for me, I only know one musician who’s not deathly afraid. Skeptical musicians are a very rare breed!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Very sorry to hear this.

The barbarians have breached the gates and what they’re doing to our way of life and what gives our life meaning is criminal.

Stay strong.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Margaret Thatcher would be proud of what’s going on.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Terrible news. I love live orchestral music. I am so sorry.

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Strange Days
Strange Days
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

So sorry to hear this, my musical tastes are quite different but the loss of live music of any style leaves us all poorer.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Strange Days

Live music is what I miss the most right now. Incredible IT’S GONE. Everywhere.
Absolute evil.

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Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Very sorry to hear this. My local orchestra, BSO, has gone to huge lengths to put on an autumn season, starting next week with Beethoven’s 7th. I fear that another lockdown will put paid to the rest of the concerts. I hope there is some way that your orchestra can be reformed in the future and that you will be ok financially.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Devastating news.Did anyone stop all performances during Asiatic flu or Hong Kong flu? They might be sometimes cancelled if many of the orchestra was sick with flu but 6mths after the peak having closed all performances of art? This is the death sentence for performing arts and the Media Dictators want us all just to watch in media streaming to the homes.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The Woodstock Festival was held in the middle of the Hong Kong flu.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And contact tracing was a bitch!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

There was an awful lot of contact and very little tracing.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

It’s a death sentence all round and it won’t be death by coronavirus.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

We have a music school affiliated to a university that has yet to reopen.

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Kate
Kate
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I offered to help a local arts group which puts on wonderful classical and jazz concerts very cheaply.
Since the first lockdown they are trying to restart.

I was horrified to receive e-mails from them explaining the new system to keep the audience “safe” All fully masked, one way systems through the church, door wardens to direct people to their seats safely, and social distancing and masks worn in the audience. You must book ahead online whereas before you could just walk in..

They are lamenting that only fifteen bookings have been received. How can they wonder at this?

I do not want to be part of this “safety” regime. How can I treat other people as if they are contaminated and in imminent danger?
The whole thing is dystopian.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Yes its dystopian and intentionally so. The old life is in the process of being totally dismantled and it won’t be coming back without one hell of a fight.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate

Agreed! The dystopian atmosphere takes away all the joy.

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Monty Greene
Monty Greene
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

I’m so sorry to hear that.

In Britain, some identitarian race-baiters expressed their desire to remove a bust of Beethoven from the British Library as it was a symbol of colonialism.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Where Colorado Springs goes many more will follow.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Systematic dehumanisation!

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

It gives me no pleasure to give the 100th tick. I’ve gone all Mahler.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

Tragic. A relative is a Beethoven academic, and the whole anniversary year has been ruined. Not to mention the war anniversaries.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

I went to the big Weatherspoons for breakfast yesterday, to gain access I was obliged to go behind waist high metal barriers zigzaging their way through the carpark to the front door. This made me feel uncomfortable until I realised what it reminded me of.

I grew up in a small north midlands market town. The centre of the town was dominated by a huge cattle market (plus sheep, pigs goats etc). We walked through this to get to school, all the animals were penned in with what were then head height metal barriers, need I say more ?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Only ‘baa’.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

We are seen now as nothing more than livestock, herded, registered, tagged, rounded up, and muzzled. Notice when they take your temperature from your forehead (not that I’ve allowed anyone to do that to me) it’s like having a stun gun pointed at you. Now they want to spray us with Christ knows what. Won’t be long until we’re branded. Did you see the pens people were put in to see a live OUTDOOR music show? But hey, as long as I’m SAFE!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

There was a printed notice in each of the zig and zag pens
“Only six persons in this area”.

The door monitor was not satisfied with the offer of my (redundant) email, wanted me to use the QR (?) thingey with my android, told him no and left.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Good for you! If they treat potential customers like shite in the name of Covid, and are not prepared to fight for their own survival, they don’t deserve their business. Anywhere that demands you give your details gets wide berth from me. I’m not complying with new bloody abnormal to have a “normal” life. I had a good life before but that’s over so now I’m seeking out new ways to enjoy life and be as free, mentally and physically, as I can.

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Judith Day
Judith Day
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I’m the same HH. I am not giving my details in order to dump rubbish at the local tip, or go to a restaurant.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Exactly. They’re driving us to do different things, or to concentrate on things we already love that have not been swept away in the madness. I go to my allotment every single day since working with plants means I am around sensible creatures for a couple of hours.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

And then there’s the fast tracked and liability free vaccine hurtling towards us.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1307722818700836865?s=20

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I don’t do Twitter so can’t access, what are the results thus far ?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

28 – yes
72 – no

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

That’s quit impressive for the Twittersewer.

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JulieR
JulieR
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

There are many anti lockdown and anti new normal people on Twitter.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I don’t have Twitter but I can open the specific links and read (but not comment)

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GLT
GLT
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Like many others, I joined Twitter in April and I hope that it can be made more representative. Whether we like it or not, it plays a huge part in news gathering and politics.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

How much would you pay to get Ferguson and Henegan in the same room?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

And Heneghan with a gun,

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Nah – he’s nicer than us.
Annie get your gun!

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Stephen Priest
Stephen Priest
5 years ago

SIR – A major rethink on how we battle coronavirus is urgently needed. Now, we’re far better informed, so locking us all down and destroying more lives and livelihoods are not the answer.

Even when a vaccine is found, it may not grant total immunity. In the meantime, as with every other disease, we must learn to live with it.

The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.

Enough of this hourly analysis, which creates an atmosphere of fear out of all proportion to the threat. Our best weapon against the virus, for now, is common sense, not over-reaction, which is devastating our country.

Richard Drax MP (Con)
London SW1

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2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago

Global Covid Report
Proton Science Group in association with
Extra-Parliamentary Corona Investigation Committee (ACU)

https://online.anyflip.com/inblw/ufbs/mobile/index.html

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Thank you, took several screenshots of easy to use bullet points to show waverers.

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Geoffrey Kolbe
Geoffrey Kolbe
5 years ago

Carl Heneghan seems to be having a real media blitz – but will it have any effect at all? I fear not.
Matt Hancock, our Minister for Health, clearly does not even understand what a false positive is for a PCR test – but the TV presenters interviewing him don’t understand these basics either, so he is not revealed for the numpty he is, or his policies for being as inane as they are.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Geoffrey Kolbe

The current position with uncorroborated test results being used as the sole driver for major costly public health policies and for the imposition of £10000 fines on citizens is unprecedented. The doubts over the credibility of these tests may give grounds for a legal challenge. With one questioning letter from an MP in the Telegraph it may be time to press our MPs to call for an urgent multi-disciplinary (statistics, biology, medicine, management) review of the testing system.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Geoffrey Kolbe

It’s more that Hancock is simply playing his part in the global Great Reset agenda, as of course is Boris Johnson.

Despite what’s been said above, it is clear that the government is knowingly and willingly playing an important part in a major conspiracy. Yes it’s a conspiracy alright and it’s plain for all to see, once they get over their cognitive dissonance.

None of this pandemic event is remotely happenstance or even much to do with the ephemeral Sars-cov-2 coronavirus which is little more than a convenient scapegoat.

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Jon G
Jon G
5 years ago

I think Triggle needs a shout out. He’s written quite a few balanced pieces over the last few months that seem to go against the general bbc line.

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Jenny
Jenny
5 years ago
Reply to  Jon G

I agree – he has shown some guts.

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Norma McNormalface
Norma McNormalface
5 years ago
Reply to  Jon G

Yep. Showed his colours as a sceptic pretty early on. Or latent sceptic, anyway.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Attended face-nappy church (Wales) for the first time yesterday. Mine the only visible face. Sermon delivered through a thick black rag, mumble mumble mumble.
A lady, aged about 50, approached me afterwards and asked, quite politely, if I was ‘exempt’. I said I was, She said her husband had ‘forbidden’ her to go to church unless everybody was nappied. ‘it’s so uncomfortable wearing one’, she added. I could not resist saying, in the mildest tone I could manage, that if people wanted to behave like mumbling sheep they were free to do so.
Last week’s ‘cases’ in Pembrokeshire: 1. Deaths: 0, as for many weeks past.
Population of Pembrokeshire: about 123,000 – plus visitors, whose comings and goings have had no effect in the figures.
I wonder how many will refuse to come next week if I’m there.
I shall be there.
I believe that through Jesus Christ we can overcome the fear of death and rise to the life eternal.
Evidently, nobody else in my church does.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Makes you sad when it seems like the church is simply acting as the mouthpiece of the state and not God.

The early Christians must despair at the supine and cowardly nature of the churches of today.

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Dr.Sok
Dr.Sok
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hypocrisy

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Aren’t preachers exempt from the mask edict? Ours doesn’t wear one while preaching and, I think, implied that they’re only going through the rigmarole because they’re being forced to.

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Those leading worship do not have to wear masks, it is in the legislation. Some seem to do anyway ‘you can never be too careful’…
I wore a mask in Tesco this morning, I suspect with the nonsense non-compliers will be demonised even more soon. Glasses steamed up, couldn’t read labels. Decidedly breathless, and of course when taken off outside totally tangled with hearing aids. I hate to think what Whitty and crowd are going to say this morning but it doesn’t look good.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  davews

I saw a full C of E wedding taking place in the grounds of our 14th century church, the Vicar wore a black mask.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  davews

I’m sorry you didn’t feel up to your convictions today. I rode the bus maskless today, as usual, and will continue to do so. If they change the “law” to force masks on the bus, I will go back to riding my bike to my allotment.

But perhaps your circumstances don’t allow you to be as firm as I have been. And, of course, I’m trapped, as is everyone, if they force us all to wear masks outside. But then there’s no reason to go to my allotment anymore at that point.

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Ajb
Ajb
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

So glad you went, and so glad in the church here at least the preacher doesn’t need a mask during the service. I suspect there is a fair amount of mask scepticism in the congregation, but it may be a price they’re willing to pay for gathering to worship – the compulsory risk assessments to allow you to open the building are pretty fierce! And who knows, maybe your presence without a mask will encourage other exempt people to feel welcome.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Pray for your ministers.
They have the full spectrum of opinion thrown their way from:
This is the Mark of the Beast and you’re a heretic for telling people to wear masks.

to

The Bible tells us to submit to authorities so you should tell the people that are claiming “exemptions” that they are going against God.

Our church is taking a light touch with all of this but our minister had to remind people that the law allowed for exemptions and there are things going on in people’s lives that you might not know about.

Many ministers are at breaking point – as are other people in every walk of life.
Our minister got pretty close to a nervous breakdown, I think.

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Athanasius
Athanasius
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

All very true! Our church is maybe 95% sceptic, including the priests, but the pressure from various external forces is unreal at times, which not all the sceptical congregation fully appreciates.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

My sympathy even though a lapsed CofE.
Presumably all the associated community activities, Sunday School, Scouts, Choir Practise and the like are suspended indefinitely ?

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They are fine about me (and another lady)being exempt from masks at my church and the vicar takes hers off to preach as do those reading or singing. Church is still enjoyable but it was obvious yesterday they are all terrified with little faith.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I walk through a churchyard every day on the way to my allotment. Yesterday, the masked were queuing to attend a service. As an atheist, I did have to wonder what good the Christian God is if he cannot provide any kind of protection, physical or mental, against the virus.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago

What’s this nonsense from the Scottish university? Firstly Sturgeon isn’t popular like they claim and then they slag of people who don’t buy the idea that there isn’t some kind of sinister plot to destroy our society. Is the whole of Academia utter braindead? I think so.

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Kf99
Kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

At long last people making the point (a very obvious one) that a theoretical yes vote leads not to a nice cosy country of Scotland, but to partition.

The people’s republic of Caledonia might be just be an enclave. A McGaza. No part of Scotland can be taken out of the UK against its will. They might not even get to call their new paradise Scotland, if they have less than half the territory.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

One of the scare tactics being used is that Covid 19 hospital cases and deaths are rising. Tricky one this as it seems many illnesses and deaths are being rebranded as Covid! But anyway,for what it’s worth, we do now seem to be getting data on hospital covid cases/deaths but meanwhile we hear reports of under used hospitals, do we know of any data on total hospital capacity and current usage?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Locally the main hospital is doing some backlog work and newly diagnosed patients.
The Nightingale is supposed to be helping to clear the backlog but is only 25% utilized.

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sceptickat
sceptickat
5 years ago

More common sense from the BBC today which is heartening: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  sceptickat

Great link, thank you, much as we deride the BBC, when they put out something like this it is a link I feel I can share round family and friends, whereas links to other media articles tend to get dismissed as extremist.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The Beeb, wow..
Wonder if they scent that the all-going-to-die approach is played out and it’s time to start shifting their stance if they want to end up on the winning side?
One can but hope.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I think as well the Defund the BBC campaign has picked up more steam and has rattled their cage. Ditto the Last Night of the Proms fiasco which exposed to all and sundry how the Beeb holds the nation in contempt.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

and the thought of getting Charles Moore in charge.. they are sh*tting their pants

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

As well as the furore over the grotesque salaries of the likes of Zoe Ball and Gary Lineker. At a time when many people don’t know if they have jobs to return to and are tightening their belts, the BBC’s pay of their presenters and newsreaders are a slap to the face of Joe & Jane Public.

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Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The BBC have relegated Covid from being the main news item on its site for almost 24 hours now. Very odd.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

I noticed that too. I’ve no idea when the last time that was.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Local Live (mirror group news) is also devoid of Covid today except for the lead item telling us the county is among those with the fewest ‘cases’.

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The BBC has periodically run pieces like this over the last 5 months, including a few from Triggle (that I’ve got saved, including full screen shots of the entire articles). The front page of the Scottish BBC news website barely has a mention of CV19 nor of Sturgeon’s proclamations of doom from last week. Instead the lead article is on the deaths of some asylum seekers in Glasgow.

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Marie R
Marie R
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I totally agree, my best link has been the 50,000 deaths winter 2017-18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46399090
which is permanently up on my phone. We should all send this Nick Triggle article to our MP’S? I’m going to send to the Today programme, world at one, PM etc

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JME
JME
5 years ago

Just read in The Telegraph that the spread of the virus is all our fault, we’re at the last chance saloon & unless we comply totally with the governments crazy, non-evidence based measures we are going to pay the price.
Unfortunately viruses spread & no-one in history has ever prevented this from happening.
It’s insane & unbelievably depressing!

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  JME

Ignore it. Go read the letter from Richard Drax.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

PS.It’s a crude psy-op. If the figures get worse, it’s our fault for not complying. If the figures get better, it’s to their credit for bullying us. They win either way.
They think.
I don’t. Their chickens will come home to roost. Just you wait.

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Geoffrey Kolbe
Geoffrey Kolbe
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It is also a method of maintaining a good career trajectory for epidemiologists and committee-men like Whitty and Valance. Look at Professor Neil Ferguson whose career has done – and no doubt will continue to do – wonderfully well on the basis of predicting the worst possible outcome for now five (I think) pandemics. That these pandemics did not meet his full expectations was no doubt a matter of some disappointment to Neil Ferguson, but he could console his critics that this was due to the Government following his advice in a timely manner.
Consider, on the other hand, the effect on a career due to predictions that fall short of what actually happens. How people needlessly died because your model was wrong. No prognosticator could recover from even one bad result of that sort.
Boris really needs to see the advice from Whitty and Vallance in that light…

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JME
JME
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Thanks Annie ~ I admire your optimism and sincerely hope you are right!
I agree about the psy-ops but it’s been going on throughout this & seems to have succeeded with the vast majority of people.
I had seen the Drax letter (& there do seem to be an increasing number of Tory MPs speaking out now) but I’m not sure, in the absence of any true opposition from Labour, there are enough sceptics in Parliament to halt this madness.

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Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

It’s official. DIY is now causing more deaths than Sars-Cov-2.
The Society for the Elimination of Risk needs to swing into action immediately.

Here’s Reg:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU2BO5Obg2k&ab_channel=JayFee

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago

Spike

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Lord Rickmansworth
Lord Rickmansworth
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Ha!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

🤣 🤣 🤣

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago

I hope Heneghan has a good security team.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

He needs to make sure he doesn’t have any sports bags lying around at home.

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Ed Turnbull
Ed Turnbull
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

He should avoid going for a walk in the woods.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

With Wancock’s latest threats, one hopes that the hospitality, retail, museums & heritage and culture sectors will now make a stand and say NO!

Am still waiting…….

Do they secretly want to go bust?

If Wancock gets his way and they indeed go bust taking down their workers with them they will have no one but themselves to blame.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago

Graham Brady on Talk Radio in next 15 minutes. Hope this will be an encouraging interview….

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Lord Rickmansworth
Lord Rickmansworth
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Cor I’m looking forward to that!

In the meantime you could listen to old gits moaning about the lockdown here too:

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  Lord Rickmansworth

Loving these podcasts, Lord R. Thanks for the work you put in!

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Lord Rickmansworth
Lord Rickmansworth
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

No worries Charlie! Glad you enjoy them mate. Recorded another one at the pub yesterday…but the sound was shit and Don was on the p*ss with some mates so re-recording tonight.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Lord Rickmansworth

Have been enjoying your podcasts and well done for the shoutout Toby gave it!

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yeah I literally spit my cornflakes out all over some old lady in the Covid testing queue when I saw that! 😂

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PepperAngus
PepperAngus
5 years ago

With respect to Mike Yeardon’s false positive rate piece, I’ve been telling everyone who’ll listen since May not to put much faith in “Pillar 2”.

Pillar 2 was, and probably still is, staffed hastily by postgraduates and various university kids without a day’s experience of clinical diagnostic work between them, running borrowed equipment in borrowed premises. No, or little, professional registration, unlike the Pillar 1 experienced scientists, although I suspect with a few decent industry people thrown in to supervise. It always was a shambles.

I’m not really convinced by Dr Yeardon’s false positive rate numbers, and as far as I’m aware the Pillar 2 protocol is essentially the same as Pillar 1. I completely agree in principle that false positives are a significant portion of cases now.

Although another thing worth understanding is that the PCR protocols in Pillar 1 were never standardised throughout the country.

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago

For reasons I won’t go into here, I was in the position recently of having to wear a face mask and comply with all of the little rules and regulations around keeping other people safe. I had to force a switch to flick in my mind and conditioned myself to act and perform as a true believer. I put the mask on and stood on the little markers on the ground. I wore the mask at all times as soon as I was in an indoor public area. For example, I wore the mask as soon as I stepped foot inside the Whetherspoons, right before I dutifully sanitised my hands. I wore it as I walked to my table. I wore it seated at the table when I was waiting for my food to be delivered (per the rules: it can only be removed when eating and drinking). I wore it walking along the street as I had to nip in and out of various shops, I didn’t want to continually handle it. I felt virtuous. I felt morally superior. I felt I was doing my part. The mask I wore wasn’t one of those cheap paper disposable ones, but… Read more »

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Lord Rickmansworth
Lord Rickmansworth
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

Pleased for you mark!

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Strange Days
Strange Days
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

It’s the dopamine
That gets me high
The dopamine connects me
It’s the dopamine
I can rely
The dopamine reflects me

Iommi/Hughes/Marlette

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

mmm

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Offlands
Offlands
5 years ago

Does Sweden have herd immunity?

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/

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Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Good find. That’s an excellent report from Sweden. This doctor on the ground in Sweden confirms everything that most of us have thought for a long while now. It gives the lie to the pathetic false argument now being advanced, that Sweden only got where it is by voluntarily locking themselves. I’ll take the liberty of quoting a chunk:- “At the point in August when I wrote that article, I hadn’t seen a single covid patient in over a month. I speculated that Sweden had developed herd immunity, since the huge and continuous drop was happening in spite of the fact that Sweden wasn’t really taking any serious measures to prevent spread of the infection. So, how have things developed in the six weeks since that first article? Well, as things stand now, I haven’t seen a single covid patient in the Emergency Room in over two and a half months. People have continued to become ever more relaxed in their behaviour, which is noticeable in increasing volumes in the Emergency Room. At the peak of the pandemic in April, I was seeing about half as many patients per shift as usual, probably because lots of people were afraid to… Read more »

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Need to send that article to Julia H-B, Peter Hitchens, Simon Dolan – the usual people 😉

By the way, the photo at the top of the article was taken on Saturday – I recognise the headlines, because I was in a supermarket then and read them myself (one is about women saying their pensions are not high enough, which as a middle-aged woman caught my eye!)

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Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Thanks Carrie. It’s bang up to date then!
If anyone has the email address for the people you mention or indeed any others, perhaps they could forward the link.

Here it is again:-

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Looks like that was extended at Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s request. Great stuff: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/21/more-covid19-news-from-sweden/ “A few weeks ago, an emergency physician working in Sweden, Dr. Sebastian Rushworth, asked me if I would be willing to replicate an article from his blog on mine. I was more than happy; it was a great article. The only problem being that his writing puts mine to shame – in a second language. Although he did later tell me he had been to boarding school in England for several years. So, I feel a bit better. If not much. He has now done an update, outlining how things are getting along in Sweden. I thought it would be of great interest for people to get news from the front line, so to speak. As many of us know Sweden, alone in Western Europe, decided not to impose a tough lockdown. In fact, the only forcible restriction that was imposed was to ban people meeting in groups of more than fifty. Slightly later, a further restriction was placed on nursing home visits. Apart from this, all other Government recommendations were purely voluntary [Imagine that, a Government treating its citizens as responsible human beings]. When Sebastian wrote… Read more »

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago

That’s an excellent collection of info and analysis – a worthy upgrade to the Swiss centre.

Only thing I’d quibble with is where in the intro it says “In most countries, Covid deaths were 40-100% higher than a bad flu year“. reading further it seems to be basing this on the last five years’ flu data, which is reasonable but means the worst is not necessarily particularly bad.

I’d reword slightly to make that clearer. It’s “relative to the worst flu year in the past five years”.

More generally this is a comparison I think it is useful to make.

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jrsm
jrsm
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

And even that is not universally true. For instance, in Portugal current Covid-19 attributed deaths (1900) are about 40% lower than a good flu year (about 3300) . And I believe there are many other countries like that.

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