From Tragedy to Farce: Boris Forgets His Own Rules
Several million people in the North-East had yet more Byzantine regulations inflicted on them yesterday by a Government that seems never to see a nut that doesn’t put it in mind of a hammer. Yet hours later, the Prime Minister himself was unable accurately to explain the new rules. Ross Clark in the Telegraph has more.
The Prime Minister has never exactly been a details man, but even so his failure accurately to recall the rules he had imposed on several million people in the North-East only hours before marks a new low in the Government’s handling of COVID-19. To come up with this myriad of rules, change them every few days, and to impose massive fines for failing to remember them, is a form of arbitrary rule which would have shamed one of the Tsars, let alone a democratically-elected UK Government.
The PM’s gaffe comes on the same day that ‘Skills Minister’ Gillian Keegan was asked on the Today programme whether the new restrictions announced for the North-East would allow two households to meet outdoors, and she said she had no idea.
Such embarrassments expose the mess which the Government has created in its fondness for local lockdowns. If members of the Government can’t keep up, what hope the rest of the population?
It’s not as if local lockdowns work, points out Ross:
Just what is the point of local lockdowns anyway? In dreaming up ever more bizarre regulations and huge fines to go with them, the Government has overlooked evidence that is staring it in the face: local lockdowns don’t work. Take Bolton. In the week before local restrictions were imposed on Greater Manchester boroughs at the end of July, 3,886 cases of COVID-19 had been recorded in Bolton. In spite of its residents have since been deprived of freedoms which most of the rest of the country enjoyed through the summer, the number of cases there has since mushroomed to a cumulative 9,274.
Perhaps someone should tell Angela Merkel, as she readies Germany for local lockdowns to counter their “second wave”.
Is Madrid The “Capital of Europe’s Second Wave”?
The Telegraph has run another scare article about how bad things are in Spain. I have to say it’s very disorienting reading the Telegraph at the moment. Almost all the comment is of an outspoken, sceptical flavour but the news section seems to be colonised by lockdown zealots. It makes it feel like they come from two parallel universes, one where COVID-19 is an overrated virus to which we’re all overreacting and the other in which we’re all doomed.
Anyhow, here’s what one news reporter has to say about Madrid, which he has dubbed “the capital of Europe’s second wave” .
The Madrid region, dominated by the city and its large suburbs to the south, has a cumulative caseload of 722 positives per 100,000 inhabitants in a two-week period – 2.5 times the average for Spain as a whole. In Paris, that number is just 204, despite France having daily case numbers to rival those of Spain.
The hurried reopening is just one example of carelessness on the part of local government, critics say, which extends to currently underestimating the strain on hospitals and failing to establish a working test and trace system.
Spain’s Government is threatening to intervene once more and ramp up what it sees as limited measures put in place by Madrid, which last week placed one million people in 45 of 286 districts under local lockdown, meaning they can only leave their home areas for essential reasons.
Sounds frightening, right? But here’s what they don’t tell you. The epidemic in Spain peaked weeks ago. According to the Carlos III Public Health Institute new cases by date of symptom onset peaked and plateaued by the end of August. Here’s the graph, courtesy of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine:
What’s happening in the hospitals right now? Here are the graphs for Spain and Madrid:
In other words, no growth for over a week. This represents around 10% capacity nationally and 25% in Madrid. Here’s the graph of deaths:
Deaths appear to have peaked on September 17th, though are yet to enter sustained decline (these figures are by date of death so the most recent figures will likely be revised upwards in coming days).
So the “second wave” in Spain, far from exhibiting exponential growth towards the catastrophic levels predicted here (and recall that Spain was one of the cautionary tales highlighted by Witless and Unbalanced at their press conference last week), stopped growing over a month ago and is nowhere near overwhelming the healthcare system.
Is this because the new restrictions imposed on the population were successful at “controlling” the virus? Nope. Madrid has been resisting imposing new restrictions, only doing so in certain parts of the city last week. Some lighter restrictions, such as lowering limits on venue capacity and gatherings, were imposed citywide on September 7th. All of these measures came well after the epidemic peaked and plateaued near the end of August.
The lesson: yet again a COVID-19 epidemic goes into spontaneous decline before lockdowns or other interventions could possibly have made a difference. Why? Almost certainly due to the further development of collective immunity – in this case presumably making up for delay caused by the strict lockdown in the spring. Spontaneous decline is a pattern seen in Sweden, in Belarus (where the excess deaths as reported to the United Nations suggest a Covid death toll about the same as Sweden’s), and in South Dakota, all of which refused to lock down and none of which saw more than 0.06% of their populations die, most of them very elderly. All had a lower death toll per million than the UK.
When will our Government and its advisers open their eyes to the plain evidence that COVID-19 does not infect or kill anywhere near as many as they initially feared?
Boris is due to appear with Witless and Unbalanced for a press conference again today (this time with questions, it is rumoured). Will we see a change of heart and strategy? Not likely.
Stop Press: Yesterday the UK reported a record 7,143 new cases, to the unconfined joy of the doom-mongers. But note that this follows three consecutive days of sharp decline, and when plotted by date of specimen still doesn’t yet show any significant growth in the last week. They’re still clearing the backlog from the ramp-up in testing. Prof Carl Heneghan and the team at CEBM have started following the cases here to see how they compare with the graph of doom.
New Paper Blows Imperial’s Catastrophic Predictions Out The Water
A team of epidemiologists including Dr Gabriela Gomes published a new preprint yesterday with a model that they say fits the data better and makes better predictions. It is based on assuming greater variation in pre-existing immunity and susceptibility, and concludes that “most of the slowing and reversal of COVID-19 mortality is explained by the build-up of herd immunity”. Here’s the abstract:
The classic Susceptible-Infected-Recovered model formulated by Kermack and McKendrick assumes that all individuals in the population are equally susceptible to infection. From fitting such a model to the trajectory of mortality from COVID-19 in 11 European countries up to 4 May 2020 Flaxman et al. concluded that “major non-pharmaceutical interventions – and lockdowns in particular – have had a large effect on reducing transmission”. We show that relaxing the assumption of homogeneity to allow for individual variation in susceptibility or connectivity gives a model that has better fit to the data and more accurate 14-day forward prediction of mortality. Allowing for heterogeneity reduces the estimate of “counterfactual” deaths that would have occurred if there had been no interventions from 3.2 million to 262,000, implying that most of the slowing and reversal of COVID-19 mortality is explained by the build-up of herd immunity. The estimate of the herd immunity threshold depends on the value specified for the infection fatality ratio (IFR): a value of 0.3% for the IFR gives 15% for the average herd immunity threshold.
It’s written in technical language so not an easy read for non-specialists. But it’s an important scientific contribution to modelling this virus and is well worth a look for any armchair (or trained) epidemiologists. According to the researchers’ calculations, the Imperial College model overestimated the “counterfactual” deaths from COVID-19 – the number that would have died in the “do nothing” scenario in Professor Ferguson et al‘s infamous March 16th report – by a factor of 11.4. If you divide 510,000 by 11.4 you get 43,814, which is almost exactly the number that have died so far. In other words, the NHS was never in danger of being overwhelmed, the lockdown made zero difference and there will be no second wave.
Stop Press: Watch a new interview with Professor Sunetra Gupta on “Something that is becoming a scientific fact: Pre-existing resistance to COVID-19“. Can someone please tell Chris Whitty?
Curfew Chaos
As the new 10pm curfew on nightlife causes some of the biggest closing time chaos ever seen (leading Manchester mayor Andy Burnham to call for the curfew to be scrapped) a reader sends us the messages he received from his daughter who had been out in it.
“I went out on Saturday night in Manchester for the first time since March and the 10pm curfew was a bloody shambles! It was horrendous! It was worse than any normal kickout time I’ve ever seen in town! Throw into the mix that all the takeaways shut at the same time so no one could get post drink food, and it was bloody bedlam! The streets, taxi ranks, bus stops, trams were rammed way more than they would have been under normal circumstances. It’s put me off going out again. Bloody joke!”
She went on:
“I’ve never seen anything like it. I’d had a lovely evening and the bar I had been in had done loads to ensure it was a safe and pleasant experience and not too different to how it would have been prior to lockdown, in fact it was better, as the music was at a volume where we could still talk, it wasn’t packed and sweaty like normal and it was table service so there was no queuing at the bar etc and then we walked out into absolute chaos! I ended up spending more than I planned so I could get a taxi home rather than squeezing on to the tram”.
“Apparently that’s safer though than three children, who spend all day every day playing together and interacting at school together, having a sleepover in a safe, clean and supervised environment. Madness!”
She’s had to cancel our granddaughter’s (already greatly diminished) upcoming eighth birthday sleepover with four friends (she’d booked a company to come round and put up mini teepees in the lounge with fairy lights and all sorts) and now it’s just her and her step-sister, because they’ve received an email from their school ‘reminding’ them they should not be socializing between households.
Her WhatsApp message below illustrates the further madness and overlooked cruelty, not to mention the negative impact on local businesses such as the party entertainment company, that all these wholly unnecessary and unevidenced restrictions are having on just about everyone. Or in my daughter’s more succinct language – bulls**t.
“I didn’t have an issue with it and neither did the other parents, seeing as they are all in the same bubble at school all day but school sent out an email this morning saying that they’ve become aware of families socialising and having sleepovers etc, which puts the school at increased risk of an outbreak and possible closure, so they have said if they become aware of any more breaches, they will have no choice but to report them. I can’t expect my daughter and her friends not to talk about it and don’t want to tell them to keep secrets, so we’re going to organise something for once it’s all over. She was a little upset to start with but she handled it so well, I was so proud of her. She nearly made me cry because after she’d got over the initial upset, she thanked me for still organising it for her! She’s such a thoughtful child. I hate that she’s missing out on so much because of all this bs!!”
Snooping Neighbours: Police Crash Girl’s Tenth Birthday Party
Perhaps she was right to cancel the party, given the way the police behaved in Ayrshire, Scotland. The Mirror has the story.
Two police officers turned up at a 10-year-old girl’s birthday party after a neighbour reported the family for breaking Scotland’s strict Covid rules.
Mum Leanne Macdonald claims relatives had been “nipping in” to her house to hand little Myla her presents.
She said she “could not believe it” when two uniformed officers later entered her home warning her she was “on alert” and would be fined and charged if she broke the rules again.
Leanne told the Daily Record : “I could not believe it. They came to the door and told me I had been reported for having people in my house.
“I was shocked. The funny thing is, they actually came in to my house to tell me my home was ‘on alert’ and if I broke the rules again I would be fined and charged.
“So the police can come in my house, but my family can’t?”
She said she hadn’t been aware of a change in the rules and had arranged for family members to come at different times so they didn’t go over the limit. What an appalling state our liberties are in when a 10 year-old girl can’t have her relatives visit on her birthday.
Eric Clapton Joins Van Morrison’s Anti-Lockdown Campaign
Another wrinkly rocker with sense. Here’s the press release.
Van Morrison has thanked fans for their recent support – as Eric Clapton joins his campaign to Save Live Music.
Belfast musician Van played a series of three concerts at the London Palladium last week and also released the first of his three new anti-lockdown songs “Born To Be Free”.
Van has been calling for venues to reopen again at full capacity. Now Eric Clapton has come out in support of the campaign.
Eric Clapton said: “It is deeply upsetting to see how few gigs are going ahead because of the lockdown restrictions. There are many of us who support Van and his endeavours to save live music, he is an inspiration! We must stand up and be counted because we need to find a way out of this mess. The alternative is not worth thinking about. Live music might never recover.”
Van released “Born To Be Free” last Friday and it was made available for download and streaming on major music sites including Amazon Music, Apple Music and Deezer. The track has clearly resonated with many who share his frustrations.
Van Morrison said: “Thanks to everyone who came to the Palladium shows and who have supported the new single. The gigs were great and proved that live performance can operate safely. Now we need the Government to ease restrictions further and instil confidence that venues are safe and enjoyable places to be for everyone.”
If enough Lockdown Sceptics readers download “Born To Be Free” will it get to number one on iTunes? You can download it here.
18 Year-Old Writes To His MP
Lockdown Sceptics reader Gilbert Jackson is just 18 but he has wasted no time in writing to his MP to tell him what he thinks of how the Government is trashing his youth and education.
I did not think I would have to be writing to my local MP at the age of 18, but I feel compelled to do so as my civic duty. The restrictions are becoming increasingly absurd and restrictive yet again, with no evidence whatsoever that they are proportionate or necessary. They are taking an unjustified toll on the mental and physical health of the entire country, and they have to end now. This is why I am urging you to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus emergency powers on Wednesday September 30th. Emergency powers are not justified for one day longer, and certainly not for two more years.
I would first like to make you aware of the damage that lockdown and continuing restrictions has had on my life. I did not see friends for three months from March, which significantly harmed my mental health, and still haven’t seen some. I was meant to be in university now, however I realised when I arrived that it was simply not what university should be. Masks everywhere, online teaching, threats of expulsion for partying, all for students who have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than killed by Covid. This is proved from the US: 48,000 positive tests in students so far, two hospitalisations and zero deaths. 305 people under 60 have died with Covid without pre-existing conditions here in the UK, in a population of 68 million.
Do you remember the initial three week lockdown to protect the NHS, flatten the curve and save lives? I was on board with that as was almost the whole country as it made sense due to the catastrophic predictions of hospitals being overrun. The three weeks ended, deaths had fallen dramatically, so had infections, and it was clear we were past the peak and hospitals had been nowhere near being overrun. Nightingale hospitals weren’t even needed (and are now being decommissioned at eye watering cost). Yet we were then told we needed to stay indoors for an additional 12 weeks. A big ask, but acceptable, we thought. Six months on from that and we are being told to expect an additional six months of restrictions. …
How can it be such a deadly disease that you need to be tested to know if you have it? The real data we have (not Imperial College’s imagined model outputs) suggests that age isn’t even the main risk factor, the presence of other serious medical conditions is (which do of course correlate with age). 95% of deaths had at least one comorbidity, and the average age of death is over 80. These are official figures from the ONS freely available to everyone. Also, the ONS figures have plainly shown that the pandemic has been over since May. Deaths have continued to trend downwards, now accounting for 1% of all weekly deaths. The data shows no spikes for any protests or mass gatherings that were talked up into a frenzy in the news. The Government, scientists on SAGE, at Imperial College London and elsewhere seem entirely ignorant of the real world data which time and again is not fitting with their models.
The smearing by the media and politicians of those who have sought to look at the data themselves and come to different conclusions than the Government scientists as conspiracy theorists has been despicable. Heavy-handed treatment of lockdown protestors is entirely unjust when they are simply standing up for basic freedoms which are now being withheld for an indeterminate length of time by the Government who give no indication of wanting to restore them any time soon.
This is why the Coronavirus emergency powers need to be revoked in full, rather than the amendment proposed by Sir Graham Brady. With Parliament appearing almost entirely supportive of suppression regardless of cost until a vaccine, which will likely not come for years or be as effective as people profess, I simply do not trust that the amendment will have much of an effect in stopping the immense harm being done to the British public. Life can be normal again. It is only the irrational fear promoted as a policy of Government that is preventing it.
I urge you to vote against the renewal of the Act, and that you and your colleagues look at all the available evidence and listen to all the viewpoints of eminent scientists such as Professor Carl Heneghan and Professor Sunetra Gupta. It is time to hold the Government to account for their arrogance, lies, and the vast amount of damage they are doing to the economy, livelihoods and mental and physical health.
Find Gilbert on Twitter at @youth_unheard.
Telegraph‘s Allison Pearson Censored on Twitter
Telegraph columnist and Planet Normal host Allison Pearson was suspended from Twitter for her “abusive” sceptical views. She writes:
I woke yesterday morning to find that I had been locked out of Twitter for “violating our rules against abuse and harassment”. I was dumbfounded. Which of my recent tweets had been abusive or harassed anyone? I glanced down the email to see something I had posted last week in response to yet another We’re All Doomed! report on the BBC news. “How hard is it for people to understand? We WANT students to get the virus. They will speed us towards community immunity. It may not be very far off.”
Whether you agree with my tweet or not, it accurately represents the opinion of a number of distinguished scientists, including Oxford’s Prof Sunetra Gupta (whom I interviewed for the Planet Normal podcast) and Prof Michael Levitt, winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 2013. Neither is a wacky Covid-denier. They just happen to agree that the worst-case scenario of 500,000 deaths arrived at back in March by Professor Neil Ferguson, which presumed (wrongly) that all age groups were equally susceptible to the virus, was possibly inflated by a factor of 10 or 12. They also reckon that the best strategy now is to shield the elderly and the vulnerable and allow the virus to infect the healthy population, notably the young, so we build up that terrific community immunity that seems to have served the Swedes so well.
She concludes:
The cure is now far worse than the disease, Prime Minister. There are people who would rather die than live in this theatre of the absurd. The risks your scientists frighten us with are vanishingly small. Even under Imperial’s worst case scenario of 500,000 deaths without lockdown, only 99.3% of the UK’s population would not have succumbed to the virus. Many will suffer with loneliness and some will lose the will to live. Many, many more will perish from other diseases. It’s quite simple; shield the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with pulling this great country out of the mire.
You may get locked out of Twitter for saying it, but I won’t stop. Censorship be damned. The truth will out.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- “Is the second wave slowing?” – The ever dependable Ross Clark in the Spectator
- “False positive tests” – The latest from Dr Malcolm Kendrick
- “Tax hikes or austerity needed to pay for Covid spending, warns IFS” – What do they know, haven’t they heard of the magic money tree?
- “Co-op Funeralcare staff use ‘tricks’ to boost profits after lockdown” – Miserable story in the Telegraph about the underhand pursuit of profits and disrespect to the dead during the epidemic
- “Richard Madeley: Lockdown doesn’t work, this pointless game of hide and seek must stop” – The presenter goes full sceptic on talkRADIO
- “Sweden’s Covid stance is a lesson for Britain” – Some good stuff here from Clare Foges in the Times. But it is yet another article that argues Sweden is too different from the UK for its approach to be applicable here. The world appears to be entering a phase of some serious denial
- “These restrictions are a concerted assault on our civil liberties” – Richard Littlejohn in the Mail is justifiably crowing that he told us so, pointing out that way back on March 3rd he was warning about the zeal of public health advisers: “What you have to remember is that pandemics are their World Cup Final, their Six Nations, their Wimbledon tennis championships, all rolled into one. Out will come the hi-viz jackets, the face masks, the tented decontamination units…”
- “Boris has become a Puritan” – Tom Hodgkinson in the Idler on how Boris has morphed from Charles II into Oliver Cromwell
- “Leaked data gives first view of growing cancer waiting list post Covid peak” – Rebecca Thomas in the Health Service Journal on how official data from mid-September shows that nearly 6,400 people had to wait more than 100 days following a referral to cancer services
- “NHS chief warns against ‘age-based apartheid’ in coronavirus response” – Apparently we have to live in eternal lockdown because it isn’t practical to shield the high risk. Sometimes you feel that they just don’t want it to end, so weak are the excuses they come up with for dismissing any solution except lockdown or vaccine
- “‘Tougher and tougher rules’ won’t win war on Covid, says WHO envoy” – The solution is that we must all willingly conform to the New Normal. Simple
- “Do those scary Covid stats really add up?” – Diana Kimpton takes issue with the Government’s presentation of the data in Conservative Woman
- “Media Gunning For Scott Atlas Because He Keeps Exposing Coronavirus Lies” – Trump has brought a true and informed sceptic into his inner circle and the media are not happy
- “Other countries have shown how we don’t need a lockdown to supress coronavirus” – Prof Devi Sridhar has become a lockdown sceptic – kind of. She now thinks it’s all about strict border controls, track and trace, and self-isolation, forever. Anything except immunity…
- “Even Theresa May looks a paragon of competence against this lot” – It’s safe to say Jeremy Warner is unimpressed in the Telegraph
- “Sorry Mr Hancock, here’s why I won’t be downloading your app” – Philip Johnston in the Telegraph lays it on the line
- “It is sheer hubris to think you can ‘defeat’ a virus” – Sean Walsh in Conservatives Global thinks the Government has bitten off more than it can chew
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “The College Student Blues” by Alchemeleon, “College & Prison” by Najje and “Germ-Free Adolescents” by X-Ray Spex.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Samaritans
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Oh Lordy, Lordy, first
Hot off the press, the dictator sold his London home in September
Political Asylum in Belarus?
(please take the others with you)
Well he is having cashflow difficulties due to the salary the people are paying him to be PM!
If you’re first, you’re responsible for giving it to everyone else. Pretty much the root of all evil!
The Father comes First, but putting your self first is the root of all evil.
If you haven’t any sense of your existence as a gift – you wont know it is given you to share in.
Its ok – I know you are making light of whatever it is to thirst for being first.
Well done dear boy! Hope you get a chance to listen to the Pod. Next one is all about 1984…
Second!
third
https://twitter.com/NickTriggle/status/1311201368045166592?s=20
Good one.
I think reaction to the cancer scandal is intensifying. Even zombies may be realising that the chance of getting breast cancer – maybe leading to disfiguring surgery, and even after that (as in my mother in law’s case) to a painful death – is pretty high, if your incipient cancer isn’t picked up by screening so that no action is taken.
Maybe not higher, in what zombies call their minds, than the chances of instant Covvideath, but that perception will change. Is changing, I suspect.
Ironically, our salvation may in the end be due to the selfish fears of the zombies: what am I, myself, personally, the only person who matters, most likely to die of? (Not implying all zombies are women, btw. Men have cancers too…)
I think you might be right on this one. It’s amazing it’s took 6 months for the penny to start to drop on this one. There’s no mask for cancer as far as I know !
I guess no one realised, despite the set up of the Nightingale hospitals, the NHS became a covid only service
You were called to clap for the replacement of the NHS with the CHS.
The same is occurring throughout the body politic as a shift to PPP.
But as with US-speak, ‘partner’ means asset. That’s why Putin chooses to use it for the US asset bloc. Monopoly does not partner – except allinace of temporary convenience. THAT is one basis for a prediction that this tower of Babel will also fragment. There is no life in it. It has only the life given in sacrifice to it. That is what fear ‘does’ to those who hide and protect it behind a masking narrative identity.
‘It Lives – We Sleep’.
Indeed we do. Was lucky because I had my bloods done just before the shitshow broke.
I asked about the NHS Health Check, just a simple test for 40+ involving weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes test and some useful health advice. GP not interested at all.
No Covid case bonus is why.
I never have a problem getting my health check. About the only time I see my GP. I am disgustingly healthy, despite the best efforts of HMG.
If you’re worried, you can check your own weight, blood glucose and blood pressure with cheap but reliable gadgets at home.
Cholesterol tests are a waste of time. Our immune and nervous systems depend on cholesterol, (which doesn’t cause heart disease) and measures to suppress it are inappropriate. (So much for useful NHS advice!).
If this is news to you, see Malcolm Kendrick for more info.
Lady interviewed on R4 news this morning, normal breast cancer screening in March cancelled; found two lumps in May had to wait until recently for diagnosis, two ops and awaiting chemo.
Perception is changing, I’ve had a few people bring it up in the Conversation themselves recently.
Hope all turns out well for you.
Was the lady being interviewed
Followed by Womans Hour presenter “record case numbers mean a new peak for the virus “👹
An independent Cochrane study established that mammograms were a liability and that huge numbers of women have been subjected needlessly as a result to procedures that are sickening, sometimes mutilating, and often fatal.
the fear of ‘infection’ or latentcy of disease as a basis to self-deny – even self-attack – is not a new idea.
Why not vaccinate babies against sexually transmitted disease?
There will be some positive to some who do not receive their treatments – along with those who are now manually medically managed and depend on it to live.
Lockdown stats revealed a significant lowering of infant deaths that points very strongly to interrupting the vaccine schedule.
In all matters, use your medical advisor. I am not suggesting treatements or their denial but to look before you leap – or sign away your health to consequences that are well known and in the package insert.
Just because you WANT to find ammunition against the lockdown policy, be wary of accepting ANY foe to their claim as your friend. (That’s one of the ways we are repeatedly hacked, manipulated and delivered unto evil).
It’s all stacking up, but it’s gut-wrenching to know all this shit is completely unnecessary
So Johnson and Hancock have murdered thousands of our fellow citizens, with many more to die, as they are denied proper treatment. This criminal pair are now clearly doing their best to repeat their massive cull of the old and frail that they carried out in the Spring. How many more dead will there be, before Cressida Dick eventually does the right thing and has them both arrested? I’m not holding breath, she’s not known for doing the right thing.
Unfortunately I think the only thing Dick is interested in is sending in stormtroopers to attack peaceful protesters.
Yes, you are almost certainly correct.
I remember Cressida Dick when she was a Superintendent in Oxford back in the 90s. She was doing the same thing then – she once sent mounted police to break up an entirely peaceful student demo about tuition fees.
NHS is being rebranded COS…Covid Only Service
That happened six moths ago.
If you read that tweet with the information contained in this interview with Richard Atlas, you’ll grasp just how enormous this health catastrophe is
https://youtu.be/biC4nHPYtbA
I’ve already watched this and strongly recommend it to everybody. So refreshing to hear so much logic and common sense.
Bowel cancer screening for the 50+ ages was stopped in February in Scotland.
So that is another major killer of men & women that the NHS is deliberately allowing to run rampant. Its not a maybe, the reason we set up routine bowel cancer screening is because it was killing so many people and is preventable.
Other countries have not stopped routine cancer screening, just the callous NHS.
Krankie and the dentist sockpuppet should be charged with being complicit in excess deaths for this.
Tobias elwood to the commons. We need to prepare for a time up to a year when those who have had the vaccine are liberated and would like to see a return to normality and those who are not vaccinated are still subject to social distancing ‘rules’.
How will this be done? In his speech elwood references Internationally recogmised papers are be to be issued to be for international travel – no vaccine no travel, The lessons of track and trace must also be learned to ensure this ‘transition phase controlled he says. The armed forces, he srgues are up to the task of logistics suggests is equal to the task of ‘Dunkirk’.
Elwood speech here:
https://twitter.com/JosefKalfsGran/status/1310726021482778630?s=20
That is how parliament see this ‘covid crisis’ ending. Troops on the street issuiing recording and tracking movements to ensure no one oversteps social distancing rules who has not been ‘dipped’.
Quite startling when you take time to understand the implications for everybody.
Though the pragmatists among us – desperate for normality – might just go ahead and take the vaccine anyway to end the nightmare. See my post above re. vaccines too.
And begin two other nightmares. The first, the recovery from the potential damage done to your body by the vaccine. The second, the new order in which we are now subject to health surveillance and our freedom is subject to being classified “not a health threat to others” for simply being alive.
The wagons to Auschwitz were loaded with pragmatists.
Unfortunately vaccine damage is usually permanent.
Yeap…like my grandmother who survived it. She does not give a shit about lockdowns, nobody tells a 93 year old woman with a tattoo on her arm about sheltering. She is an inspiration, but unfortunately she is the only one in the family who has not bought into the government hysteria.
It’s quality not quantity that counts, Thomas. 🙂
On your latter point people are often asked why more Jews did not leave Germany when the Nazis came to power. The answer was that historically there were expulsions or restrictions but never systematic mass murder. They just didn’t believe it could happen.
I really do believe that mass murder is being planned. Indeed Bill Gates has boasted about it in the past. It’s been obvious from day one of this 99% fake pandemic that it has always been about the vaccines.
Gates doesn’t need the money, but he’s a lifelong eugenicist who believes massive depopulation is the fix for global warming. A very dangerous combination and our crazed government is so stuffed full of Gates’s money, that it is going along for the ride. We are obviously in very deep trouble.
I fear you are right. I have been mentally prepared for the balloon to go up but I don’t think I really expected it to happen. I hoped that I WAS a conspiracy theorist – rather that, than be right. I fear that too many are still not awake or don’t want to be awake as they can’t process what’s happening. When it’s your own family what can you do?
Well at least your inner warning system was working well. The main problem, as you point out, is that the great bulk of the masses are still soundly asleep and once they are vaccinated there is no way back for any of us. It is now or never.
Gattaca was probably one of the most frightening movies of all time.
I don’t think I’ll watch it. This present scenario is frightening enough – because it’s real.
All the indications are that the vaccine will not provide permanent protection so you will need to get your “top-up” maybe every six months or year.
Just like Monsanto wheat which does not reproduce itself so farmers have buy it year after year
I think that will be its undoing. Something like 80% of those who have been given a vaccine on the trials have had bad reactions (basically like a severe flu). Some people would have that reaction, and seeing how common it is, think “I wouldn’t wish that on anyone else”, but I’m not confident that would be the majority view. However, few people would have that reaction and think “I’m perfectly happy to go through that again in six months.”
You know this for a fact?
I’ve seen it reported in the newspapers (Telegraph, if I recall). Obviously if there’s evidence to suggest that’s incorrect, then I’m open to it.
I suggest that if you make the claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence for it, not the rest of us to provide evidence against it.
A brief scan of the Telegraph online showed four stories from September about the trials, none confirming your claim.
By the way, did you mean “adverse effect”? That’s a technical term covering any sort of reaction, not necessarily serious and not necessarily related to the trial.
The Moderna one did, in early studies, cause a flu-like reaction in around 80% of participants IIRC
Statnews reported
4 out of 45 is not “80%”. Would you care to reveal your sources?
You would have to be out of your mind to believe anything coming out of Moderna or any other vaccine company. And why on earth would anyone risk even a 9% chance of short term injury for an infection that is on a par with the common cold. Very importantly the longer term vaccine damage will only start to come to light once mass vaccination is well underway.
You seem constantly very keen to divert from the fundamental questions – in this case, the issue of blatantly inadequate testing of new vaccines as is being proposed by a government up to its neck in dodgy relationships with the industry that produces them.
… and the fundamental question of why a vaccine is needed (at massive public expense, sight unseen) in the first place for a viral agent that isn’t of ‘high consequence’.
We have vaccines against quite a number of the diseases that aren’t on the High consequence infectious diseases list. Was that a mistake?
As I’m sure you know, the HCID list includes diseases such as Ebola and the Black Death. Saying Covid is less serious than the Black Death isn’t much of an argument for anything.
Vaccines are generally a mistake and most people would do well to avoid them. Vaccines are never ever tested against a true placebo and most of the evidence that says they work, is little more than sleight of hand. Now most Big Pharma trolls know that already, don’t they?
There’s a difference between “control” and “placebo”. The control is the known alternative. A placebo is a control known to have no effects, such as saline. My understanding is that in a double blind experiment neither the doctor nor the subject is supposed to know which treatment is being given. The argument is that using a placebo would risk unblinding the trials precisely because vaccination does produce, usually quite harmless, effects such as soreness or reddening around the injection site, stiffness and malaise. If the subject or doctor knows that they have had the real vaccination, as opposed to the harmless placebo, as a result of such a trivial but distinctive reaction, it could change their willingness to report possible reactions, and prejudice the result of the trial. So the control is a known vaccine which does occasionally also produce these effects. Caveat lector: I am neither a doctor nor a medical researcher, and this is a purely second-hand lay explanation. I may say that proponents of vaccination are often unwilling to even talk about these reactions, even though they are almost always trivial. This is probably because they are afraid, with some justification, that any admission that vaccination can… Read more »
The vaccine is a vital part of Bill Gate’s plans for massive global depopulation. That of course is the real reason it is being foisted upon an unsuspecting and woefully ignorant public. But I guess you knew that already.
I’m keen to have people make assertions that they are able to support.
If you want to make a case against any new vaccine being inadequately testing, then your case will be much more powerful if it is supported by accurate and authoritative information, rather than exaggerated, misinformed or plainly untrue third-hand gossip that will be seized on by your opponents to your discredit.
Your choice.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-study-put-on-hold-due-to-suspected-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/
That’s a story about one participant having an adverse reaction: transverse myelitis. In fact I believe there may have been a second one as well. And those need to be investigated, clearly. But the claim was “Something like 80% of those who have been given a vaccine on the trials have had bad reactions”
I definitely read a couple of weeks ago that a good portion of candidates experienced flu like symptoms such as fever, fatigue, bodyaches etc. It was roughly the time of that one particular person being very sick. This is just a site for exchange of thoughts and opinions, not a medical conference, so chill.
Well, the chuckle brothers are supposed to be scientists and they are not too hot on backing their assertions with unbiased scientific fact.
You will have read a lot of stories in the press recently. Yet quite a lot of those stories are under fervent, critical and sometimes quite un-chilled discussion here in these columns.
You work for big Pharma?
No,
Transverse myelitis has an incidence of 2/1,000,000 population. Oxford/AstraZen have had 2/1000. Chance you could say but there’s a reason we haven’t used adenovirus vector vaccines before.
I’m not saying “chance” or indeed anything else — I don’t claim to know the details. Some reports suggest that the first subject already had undiagnosed MS.
Change the record. No one can believe a word that comes out of vaccine trials.
The Oxford vaccine (probably the one they will try and give us) caused a “mild” reaction in about 50% or so and “moderate” in about 20%.
It was certainly worse than most vaccines however and I think you’re right that probably will put many people off having it more than once.
For the Oxford one they used the maximum dose from the MERS trials for a similar vaccine. The Russian Gamelaya vaccine is very similar and they’re using double the dose again of the Oxford one. They’re all rather big doses because they don’t work that well and this is what leads to the reactions.
Ad26.Cov2.S however may turn out to be a lot better. Instead of encoding the regular spike this encodes a “prefusion stabilized” one– i.e. that’s sort of locked into the “open” state. It’s a much more effective antigen so you probably don’t need such a big dose. I think the human trials for this are only just starting.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/fourth-large-scale-covid-19-vaccine-trial-begins-united-states
Given that most people don’t get a reaction at all from the virus, it doesn’t really stack up, does it?
Again, what is the source of your information?
In passing I note we’re down from 80% to 70%.
Big Pharma shill at work.
Again, no.
https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31604-4
Thanks for that! I note “There were no serious adverse events related to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. “
Yes– if there had been that would have been very concerning. But this is only 500 people. There probably will be some rate of serious adverse events if it’s used on hundreds of thousands or millions. This is normally considered acceptable for a vaccine but vaccines aren’t usually developed and promoted so aggressively for what turned out to be relatively mild viruses. At least as big a worry as the adverse events is the problem of disease enhancement. All the SARS1 vaccine attempts did this in monkeys, as did most of the MERS ones, and these are the closest relatives of SARS2. None of the SARS2 vaccines showed this problem in monkeys. But since the exact cause of it was never understood you can’t necessarily extrapolate from a monkey who was challenged a few weeks after getting the vaccine to an elderly human with an already rather second-hand immune system getting challenged maybe several months after the vaccine. This is why I would recommend most people to wait a couple of years at least to see what happens. Just to be clear, the risk from the vaccine is low. But so is the risk from the disease. The risk from… Read more »
Thanks, Guy – but this didn’t help:
‘…The Phase 3 trial is being conducted in collaboration with Operation Warp Speed(link is external)
(OWS), a multi-agency collaboration overseen by HHS and the Department of Defense…’
the vaccine that just keeps on giving to the pharma industry!!!
Many vaccines are problematic, but Covid-19 vaccines will be genocidal and purposely so.
They will not provide any protection and are not intended to do so.
Do you have evidence for this, or are we expected to take your word for it?
I am anything but an anti-vaxer, bang up to date with all of mine plus all the jabs I need for regular trips to India.
But I am not touching any Covid vaccine with a bargepole. A rushed-through, panic-and-profit-driven new drug that might, possibly, stop me getting a minor illness that I’ve probably already had and then again might also have unknown long-term side-effect? F*** that s***
Totally agree. When I go to tropical climes I get the jabs, because the things you’re being protected from are actually dangerous and the medications are well-tested. I don’t bother with the flu vaccine because I seem to be naturally resistant (I think I’ve had flu once in my life and that was when I was poorer and my diet suffered as a result). I certainly won’t be getting this one. If people want to volunteer for it (and I know people who are totally convinced they should) then fine, but on their own heads be it. Two people in the trials of the Oxford vaccine have already had neurological side-effects (although they’ve tried to sweep one of them under the carpet) and 80% have had bad reactions. Another case of the cure being worse than the disease.
Exactly. When you travel to the tropics, you are dealing with serious diseases and proven vaccines.
Tetanus is a very good example of why you get vaccinated.
… and remember, vaccines apart, some established prophylactic measures for such well-understood diseases are far from risk free.
Which measures are you referring to?
Trouble is, if you want to go on travelling to India, you may have no choice.
There’s a petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
But looking at the patronising reply from the government at 100,000 signatures, I wouldn’t hold out much hope.
“But I am not touching any Covid vaccine with a bargepole”
A sane response given the inadequate/suspicious process that surrounds its production.
The two women from Save Our Rights UK I spoke to yesterday were very vocal about their concerns about a vaccine that’s rushed and not properly tested. Bet they would be smeared as anti-vaxxers but far from it, they were very informative and emphasised that despite vaccines against flu people still get it.
‘They’ will find ways of making you accept it. Look at the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
then read the government’s reply at 100,000 signatures. They’ll have us over a barrel if we want any kind of normal life.
These vaccines will not be compatible with normal life, that is their real purpose.
On Mondays UK column, the military is not vaccinated troops with the flu vaccine as it is effective.
Please don’t imagine it will be just one jab then back to normal.
Once you accept the jab, you will then be locked into an endless schedule of jabs and boosters, all tied into your biometric health passport.
You will be forced to accept whatever they pump into your body. Let anything go out of date and your passport will turn red with no travel, work or socialising.
It won’t be the end of the nightmare – just the beginning. And if it makes you ill or cripples you, you won’t be able to sue anyone – just get a tiny payoff from the taxpayer.
So think carefully…
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
They’ll find a way.
And so will we.
A tiny payment, only if you are able to fight for years in a vaccine court. Most of those vaccinated for Covid-19 will not last that long, or will be too ill to fight the stifling bureaucracy.
It’s been very clear almost from day one, that this fake pandemic has been all about the coming vaccines. Behind virtually all of the them you will find the fingerprints and big money of eugenicist and global depopulationist Bill Gates.
This is the pandemic scenario that Bill, and some others have been planning for decades. It is their once in a lifetime opportunity and they are certainly not going to waste it. They have to be stopped.
I will not be taking a rushed vaccine. The whole thing is insane for a virus with such a low death rate – lower than flu!
It is criminally insane and the vaccines will be purposely harmful. We are in the way and are to be culled.
Shockingly evil – a good one to send to waverers who think this will be over soon and things will be back to normal
Yes, the regime is courting disaster now. Bojo’s strategy of digging through to Australia to save face is failing. I don’t know exactly what mechanism will bring the regime down, and I accept that they have all the usual political means of bringing about change locked down, as it were.
But I am sure they have gone too far to save face, too far to keep their dignity intact. This ends in total humiliating defeat for the lockdownistas. I don’t think revolution, but I do think those who survive politically will be those who manage to distance themselves from the shit show, are able to purge themselves of complicity.
As the regime thrashes about, as it now is, it aims to save itself by spreading complicity. Vice-chancellors have been caught in that net, and they look scared. They know they are being put on the wrong side, very publicly, just as the regime’s narrative is crumbling.
What finally tips it? Don’t know, but the reelection of Trump might be the catalyst.
Good assessment imo
It might shut the bullshitters up as well.
I really hope you’re right, but all I see happening right now is people doubling down.
Hope you are right, but I just see more fear on the streets, more muzzles and a regime that is going more extreme by the day, with considerable public support.
Yes. the trouble is all coming from our very corrupt government. Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance are all in Bill Gates’s very deep pockets and together they are waging a brutal war on the British public. Their new weapons will be the genocidal Covid-19 vaccines, that are heading our way. Meanwhile, the great bulk of the UK public slumbers on completely unaware, truly amazing.
It probably will be over soon. But why am I bothering to respond to this bullshit?
I would really like to post about this but it just turns people away as it is so unbelievable that anyone could be advocating anything so evil. Have we entered the plot in a 007 movie????
Does the twat have a view on those who have immunity by virtue of having had the Covid?
Remember, this isn’t about a virus!.
It’s all very sinister but Elwood is a victim of his own delusions. The Army doesn’t have the personnel. They will have to drag the prisons for “the scum of the earth” (as they did with the Black and Tans). And with no functioning economy, how are they going to pay? It’s not just money – money doesn’t matter if it buys no goods and services.
Yes, they got the Black & Tans, and they’ll get the bio-security forces. If you bother to look at current commercial TV you’ll find it swamped with adverts for military recruitment. Elwood is no victim of delusion, he’s a powerful operator for the spooks and is predicting a likely scenario.
Wikipedia:
In September 2018, Ellwood announced that he had been promoted to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel as a reservist in the 77th Brigade
AG
Not so much parliament, just one twat. Trying to shape the narrative. Should be court-martialled.
As government policy jumps shark after shark, their position does weaken somewhat. For a long time they were invulnerable because lockdown had been demanded by the institutional media and Labour, so there were few voices that could be raised to criticise it. But now a clear gap is developing between the government and at least parts of the media and visible public opinion, and that gap allows many ex-lockdownistas to save face. ‘Yes,’ they can say, ‘I was suckered in for a while, but I never went the full Ellwood.’ Cracks in the monolith.
And of course the cracks widen as even the lockdownistas are finding that they can’t get appointments for even the most basic of check ups, being made redundant or their child is trapped in their university hall of residence will start wondering what all this was for.
“I locked down, clapped for the NHS, observed social distancing, wore a mask and yet I’ve lost my job/pension, etc. Come to think of it I don’t know of anyone who has had it much less died of it but I know someone who has died of cancer/committed suicide, etc….”
I watched that yesterday. It was totally chilling. I have been in a state every since. Apart from the idea of using the military – why can’t people just go to their GP? – and the obvious threat to the freedom of those of us who do not want forced medical interventions – if/when the vaccine is rolled out (unlicensed, potentially and with no liability to the manufacturers) – the reality of these types of vaccine is that the efficacy is weak. In March I trawled through the scientific papers on the efficacy and as an example, H1N1 (which I had in 2009) showed a varying efficacy each year of 39-49%. And that is actually quite good. If you want a vaccine, the low rate of efficacy does not discount its usefulness – it’s just another tool in the box. But tacitly to assume it’s 100% effective by differentiating between those who’ve had the vaccine and those who haven’t is utter lunacy. Just punishing those like me who don’t want the thing. I totally respect those of you who do want it – it’s just my history of medical interventions has led me to avoid them at almost any cost… Read more »
Same here; having experienced horrendous side effects over the years, I always do my own research and make up my own mind.
Weigh up the risks,take responsibility and decide accordingly as an autonomous being.
The crucial importance of informed consent seems to have been conveniently overlooked in the Covid stampede, but it should be an essential criterion in any medical procedure.
Yes, this is horrific. I felt much the same – it is orders of magnitude worse than any danger from CV-19.
And good luck to everyone suing the army when you get some auto-immune disease from their jab.
But wouldn’t this mean that the military would all have had to have had the vaccine first?
Elwood is scum isn’t he.
He has got almost everything wrong:
There is no vaccine yet an unkikely to be one.
Community immunity is fast approaching to nake ot all unnecessary.
Track n trace doesn’t work
PCR testing doesn’t work
Masks don’t work.
Armed forces do not have the numbers and have other things to do.
Anti social distancing irrelevant- see Sweden & Denmark.
Prophylactics and/or cures for early cases already exist
He has got the wrong end of the stick on every issue and is living in fantasy land.
When this shit show ends, he should be sent to the Tower for treason. Trying to set the Armed Forces against the people is despicable.
Did you clock that he was making a job application? The creep.
This is a dictatorship. Not that I was in any doubt but this vision is terrifying.
There is a petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
But the government’s reply (after 100,000 signatures) – I think we could agree – is nothing but patronising tosh. In other words: ”Tough, you plebs. We’re in charge. Now, wind your necks in….”
Saw it last night. Terrifying.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei_iaOKX0AEp3qr?format=jpg&name=900×900
I would hope the armed forces will overthrow this lot if asked to do any of that.
Uh??? They’re complicit in this – ref ‘Elwood’; 77th Brigade; ‘supporting the civil power’ etc. !
Seems like the conspiracy theorists were right on this one!
Digital health passports and regular vaccines (this will be next) that will be linked to the health app were ultimately the end goal – welcome to the bio-security era!
People still dismiss the conspiracy theories outright without actually looking deeper into them! Sure you don’t have believe in all theories, but look at the evidence on a case by case basis!
This is leading to the ‘Social credit system’ that’s in China!
It is understandable that some people have weaved conspiracy theories to try to explain the current moment, insisting that dastardly figures like Bill Gates, Big Pharma and of course wicked governments are busily plotting the overthrow of human liberty on the back of a cooked-up virus crisis. After all, things are confusing. Extraordinary events have unfolded with very little clarity or explanation. In such circumstances people will create stories to try to make sense of the sudden diminution of their freedom and their lives. And yet, this conspiratorial bent among anti-lockdown protesters is a very serious problem. It ends up giving rise to a competition of narratives of powerlessness. So on one side, we have officialdom’s lockdown myopia which disempowers communities by exaggerating the threat of COVID-19 and downplaying our capacity for dealing with risk and uncertainty. And on the other side we have a pushback against officialdom that says dark, evil forces beyond our control are puppeteering this crisis in order to achieve their malevolent ends. In both scenarios, the public is reduced to spectators. Spectators either to the fearful crisis-management of government officials and experts who insist we must follow the rules if we want to survive, or… Read more »
This deserves wider reportage. The figure of 71 deaths yesterday included 24 that were from earlier days not yet included in the overall figures. Julia Hartley-Brewer’s Twitter has more on this.
The Gov stats of 68 deaths in England does not correlate with the NHS figure which is 44, and of which only 6 were on the 28th. There was also 3 without a positive test so really only 41 deaths.
I get that frustration every time i try and correlate the data, i have stopped now, even when you add the care home it never adds up.
Today must be the day when Sunak reveals the £10k for each home to green it up. We had the sparkler of the 50% free burgers in August so now we expect (he said September) details of the scheme, the word is it is going to be a bland press release.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8787759/Householders-apply-10-000-grant-help-make-homes-energy-efficient-today.html
Hey hey hey! Just in the nick of time! We can rely on our government! Thank you Charlie!
Yes, what a relief. All the people who can no longer pay their rent or mortgage will be over the moon.
Isn’t just fabulous. Nothing like a last minute press release to save somebodies neck.
“Chancellor Rishi Sunak said: ‘We promised to support jobs and protect the environment – and the Green Homes Grant delivers on this.”
It’s also a good way of telling landlords you need to shell out multiple thousands over the next eight years or face losing your renting capability. EPC Band C by 2028, or no licence will be given.
Much good that will do his erstwhile tenants.
Where I live it is only a slight exaggeration to say the houses fall into two categories: those undergoing expensive building work, and those up for sale by auction. Those with money are spaffing it, while on the same street others go bankrupt. My guess is that many of those expensively renovated houses will be up for auction soon.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-the-green-homes-grant-scheme
after spaffing billions from the great money tree on pointless covid related initiatives, now is the time to spaff more billions on pointless green initiatives . and support all these new green jobs (mostly in china)
given the way the economy is going belly up, the only insulation most people will need is an extra couple of layers of newspaper under the coat to keep warm. I understand the guardian is very good as it is green and full of hot air
It’s all part of the UN 2030 agenda – eliminate carbon fuels and go green; get rid of cars/car ownership; reduce travel hence why the government are not helping the travel industry and the mandatory vaccines to make it inconvenient; increase control mechanisms (track n trace, surveillance), cashless society, people stuck at home for majority of time with only a computer for company – sounds fun hey!??
Nah, it’s just a cock-up by incompetent buffoons. Worldwide. Not planned openly in detail at all. 🙂
There are parallels between getting covidphobes to acknowledge the virus isn’t a big deal, and getting resetphobes to accept the bigger picture about what is currently being effected. A global reset is more ‘frightening’, that’s for sure. Examine your motivations, cock-up believers, time is getting shorter.
Brilliant!
They are absolutely busting a gut to have every household in the country in thrall to them one way or another. Their view is that taking the government’s shilling makes you more biddable.
There was something about loft insulation on R4 news, I remember dad boring on about getting a Council grant for that back in the 70s.
I think that you are reading that graph of hospitalisations in Madrid all wrong. The clear takeaway is that if cases double every seven days, by the end of October there will be 48,000 hospitalisations a day, with possibly millions of deaths. That’s not a prediction, it’s a fact.
Why do you hate Spanish people so much, you racist?
It’s an oft made mistake in Scottish politics. People of another European, nay, ‘western’ nation are considered en mass to be of the same race. That is not to say there are no other races within Spain and Great Britain. Spanish are considered to be of the same race as British. Scottish the same race as Welsh and English. Caucasian. I believe it is a labelling to do with where our shared ancestors are said to have come from, a region around the Black Sea.
LMFAO
77th?
I’m not 77th, I’m just a concerned Chief Medical Expert who wants to tell you not to believe your own eyes.
What kind of Chief Medical Expert?
Why shouldn’t people believe their own eyes?
Sorry, I am not very bright. Not sure what point is being made or debated here…
Nice one, very much in the spirit of the legend that is Titania McGrath. Though I fear, from some of the replies, your subtle sarcasm has been missed.
Looking at what passes for intelligent expertise in public circles nowadays I wouldn’t admit you are part of the incompetent idiots bought and paid for by Bill Gates Club – I’d keep quiet.
Is a Chief Medical Expert higher or lower than a Top Medical Expert?
Irony, surely ?
Maybe they have a vacancy on SAGE for you?
I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.
Love is not allowed, only fear.
That’s hilarious. A prediction is not a prediction. It’s a fact.
If it’s something in the future, it’s a guess. If not made up.
Well, that’s rather the problem. The statement “If cases … then there will be …” is a fact, but a fact of arithmetic, not a fact about the real world.
“If you have two apples, and I give you two apples, then you have four apples” is a fact of arithmetic, more succinctly expressed as 2+2=4. It says nothing about whether I have two apples, or whether you have two apples — which might be facts about the world — or whether I will give you those apples — which is a prediction — or whether I should give you my apples or whether having four apples will be good for you — which are value judgements — or whether the government should force you to stay at home to prevent my giving you those apples — which is politics.
If
On reflection, those two letters pretty much sum up everything about government policy.
Possibly
LOL! Judging from the down-votes, my reading of your comment as amusing and rather biting sarcasm is not the way many here read it…
I apologise for everyone’s downvotes, I am 99% certain this is subtle satire sadly missed by a few who rightly wish to defend the correct view that the doubling talk is nonsense.
…unless you actually believe that, in which case what a terrible life you must have.
Everyone who downvoted will have the army deployed against them. Under Standing Order 7 (1984 Public Health Act) it is illegal to downvote a Chief Top Medical Expert. It’s for your own good.
Radio 4 Today Programme
Martha asked the Business Secretary what the new rules are, he was reduced to telling people to go to the website. She did not hide her disdain.
Didn’t he compere her question to something off a quiz show?
Was in response to Martha saying something like “you ought to know (the tiles), this isn’t a quiz show”.
Thanks.
Reflecting on AngloWelshDragon’s post last night concerning her husband’s run in with a masked Karenb and my own two run ins makes me wonder, it seems to be the women doing the shaming and “policing” regarding muzzles. Why? If anything this confirms to me that all the blathering about sisterhood, female solidarity and women supporting other women are all lies. And I say this as a woman.
Hear, hear. Spoken also as a woman.
Ditto, ditto, ditto.
Today i have decided to identify as a woman … well at least until i go to the barbers and have my beard trimmed.
So yes , I agree and i say this as a woman
🤣 🤣 🤣
Nice have a lovely ladylike morning, back to man this avro? Just so I get my pronouns out correctly if needed..
just use “they” rather than he or she…. Like that singer Sam Smith wants everyone to do
“They” is plural as far as I’m concerned. The options are he, she or it, and as far as I’m concerned if there is doubt and the person in question won’t accept “he or she”, then “it”, it is.
As is longstanding practice in English, if “he or she” is too long then the appropriate shorthand is “he”.
😁 😀 🤣
Spoken like a man.
Women can have beards, and all the other appurtenances of ‘men’. It is the current year after all. Don’t you recall Jonathan – sorry Jessica – Yaniv in Canada, who tried to take court action against several beauticians who refused to wax his – sorry her – hairy ladyplums? He – sorry she – failed of course. Canada still had a vestige of sanity at that point.
Anyway, in this age of self-identification, I am, today, identifying as Great Cthulhu. (<sigh> If only I really was that ancient entity I could send some Star Spawn or Deep Ones to Westminster to smite the Bullingdon Buffoon and his malevolent crew, who are, after all, far nastier than me or any other critter from the Lovecraftian bestiary).
“Women can have beards“
As, indeed, can French Presidents.
Interesting observation. There does feel to be a female demograph to those who freak out in self righteous command. SPI-b will have recorded the characteristics.
Keeping people safe is percieved to be a more feminine role? Caring for others? But is that where this strange complusion to unthinking shout and yell comes from?
I think you’re right about safety being perceived to be a more feminine role as well as virtue signalling. I seem to notice that a lot of women tend to claim the moral high ground under the guise of being “caring” and being “concerned for others”
They forget what the Good Book has said – “judge not lest ye be judged”
Reminds me of the joke from school, where Jesus confronts a crowd looking to stone a woman to death. “Let ye without sin cast the first stone”. The crowd stops, looks sullen. Suddenly a brick comes out of nowhere and clocks the poor woman on the head. Jesus whirls around:
“For God’s sake Mum I can’t take you anywhere”
Hahahaha!!! That made me laugh!
Women are inherently more risk averse.
Men seem on the whole, to be far more relaxed ;I think you’re correct. The experience AngloWelshDragon’s husband endured was a disgrace: Range Rover Boden type female screams at him armoured with her superiority complex without considering the circumstances.
While she and her ilk are claiming possession of the moral high ground, essential workers like AWD’s husband are quietly keeping what remains of the UK ticking over.
From my many years working in hospitals, I can confirm that, by and large, men make for much better patients: invariably funny, reluctant to make a fuss and generally inclined to form easy bonds with their fellows.
However, to put this in perspective, I have been challenged-only once-by an officious bloke, and glared at by another.
But women are in general more panicky.
Exactly. I did get asked by a man too but when I said I was exempt he apologised and backed off immediately. Plus he wasn’t rude about it.
However the women would ask in a menacing and threatening voice. Then when you say you’re exempt, they don’t back off and seem to be spoiling for a fight.
These Karens should really be careful because what happens if they confront the wrong person? They could get more than what they bargained for.
Same here…I was challenged about wearing a mask in Nando’s. When I said I was exempt she said ”Ah, yeah? Got any proof?” in a very confrontational manner. When I said excuse me, she repeated it even more aggressive. When I then explained that she has no right to ask me, that I don’t need to produce any proof and that they can be fined for this her male manager than came over and apologized. It is a society where women know they will not be handled aggressively where a man knows from a very young age that a possibility of a smack or a fist is very real.
I think you’re right on that. Men know that there are aggressive consequences to their actions whilst women get off lightly or get treated with kid gloves.
I went to a Tesco super store yesterday, and from what I observed I was the only un muzzled person in the whole store. I tend to look straight ahead and try and look fierce to scare off any potential zealots. I will say though that any dirty looks that I do notice tend to come from women. What is quite scary is my personality change, I almost want someone to challenge me so that I can vent some of my pent up anger!.
What I did like in this shop was that there was no one at the door asking if you wanted a mask. I have had this happen now at Sainsburys and Morrisons. Talking about Morrisons, has anyone seen their revolting most recent advert?.
Yes, we have. Its very creepy – literally creepy with everyone in slow motion. And the black underpants….
AG
I think it has always been this way…predominantly. And I really don’t mean to sound sexist in that statement. Often times women are their own worst enemy in terms of turning on their ‘sisters’. In terms of social pressures it is frequently the tool employed within female social groups to cajole and coerce group compliance.
Conversion to various religions is often achieved in the same manner, get the women on board and the men will follow.
I think you’re right. A few years’ ago, I read Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s excellent autobiography and watched her being interviewed – she said as much using her own childhood as an example. It was the women in her family who forced her to undergo FGM and wear the hijab, her father and brothers stood back and did nothing.
And of course when she was highlighting the plight of immigrant women in the west, the feminist sisterhood were conspicuous in their silence.
Men learn from a young age about the Line. The one you know if you cross you’ll get a smack
I agree completely. It is not sexist, but a statement of fact. It explains Temperance, the Climate Change/XR bandwagon as well as conventional religious indoctrination. It also explains why there will never be equality of opportunity – too many women gain power and privilege as ‘enablers’ to want a genuine meritocracy. Having escaped my working class (Catholic) origins by dint of my own drive and ability, it wasn’t long before I met many of these very nice ladies, in addition to the equally nasty men they cavorted with.
A couple of chillingly caring, womanly moments in recent years.
Hillary Clinton on Gaddaffi “We came, we saw, he died”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU
And St. Jacinda of Ardern on her power to remove people’s liberty. “Geet your teest”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFbQbEwiDNc
There is, and always has been a distinct group of women who are conditioned, and actually enjoy, bullying and shitting on other women. I would classify many as ‘doing men’s dirty work’. They are often to be found as personnel directors in organisations, and are usually women who would never have scaled the dizzy heights on the basis of their own skills and abilities. They are either devious, nasty pieces and/or they have got to where they are by lying on their backs – literally in many cases. They are also to be found in female only settings, so for example, in maternity wards – they are called midwives. Women in childbirth should never be alone without their male partner, and he needs to fight their corner. I have experience of all of these situations. Unfortunately, I was never very good at playing this type of woman I describe!
Not to mention the Police service…
Dick
I’ve met many in my time, both in hospitals,where they are found everywhere and at university.
Harridans
Where I work is female dominated and ironically the last few years – Brexit, Trump and now this virus has shown many of my colleagues mostly women in a different, rather nasty light. I would never trust them even if I was falling off a cliff given that I would suspect them as enthusiastically applying as concentration camp guards should the opportunity arise.
Try working in nursing – the breeding ground for bitchy, backstabbing and irredeemably stupid women who would be absolutely useless if they had to think for themselves or were put in a real survival situation.
It seems so for the most part. Some harridan on the local facebook page last night was complaining about the number of restaurants in the town that weren’t observing the face nappy laws. She concluded her post somewhat haughtily that she, “Would have to inform the authorities”.
It gladdened my heart to see that she was shouted down in the replies by men and women alike.
Yeah. Saw that sort of thing on Facebook as well – one moment preaching about kindness and the value of mental health then the next complaining about those not social distancing, not wearing masks and going on and on about Brexit voters being stupid.
They were always women.
If I see couples, it is often just the woman who is masked.
They are programmed to be care givers, more likely to go to doctors and not ignore symptoms, and lets be honest, to gossip and decide what happens in a household (how many fathers know their child is going to a birthday party or that they run out of toilet paper?), they are more likely to feel righteous and speak up.
Well said. And because they’re programmed to be care givers, they think it gives them carte blanche to meddle.
In my experience, a call for solidarity (not just of the “sisterhood”, many organisations or groups are guilty of this) is usually a call to allow someone else to control you instead of those who they claim control you now.
Incidentally, this phenomenon is not restricted to women.
During the 17th century witch hunts, it was frequently the women of the villages who initially accused others of witchcraft, who were also frequently women. It was the time of civil wars, so it’s possible that the men who were around, were keen to be seen as strong protectors/providers and out of that emerged the Witchfinder General.
While the persecution of older women by men such as Hopkins, can be seen as misogyny, there was clearly this self righteous air amongst the women accusers.
Definitely at least some parallels with what we’re seeing today.
People who are already self confident, self assured and feel supported by culture and society don’t usually pick on others; those who feel threatened and defensive, are more likely to.
And usually with the backing of a mob
Agree. Also a woman.
It’s not about sex ,i had a bloke come up to me in lidl a couple of weeks back and ask me why i was’nt wearing a mask. Once i got in his face and asked him if he had a problem he shat himself and backed off .I feel personally things seem to be getting better and i see more unmasked in shops now .I also think more people are aware of exemptions and how easy it is to download if you don’t have a card .
Sorry to say this because I’m dissing my own sex but it’s because women mostly don’t study any empirical skills and instead go with gut feeling. As a mother gut feeling is usually about protecting your family….but for me as someone who studied engineering and epidemiology I can see through the bogus pretty charts, lack of diverse opinion etc
I think you’re right about that. When I talk about why the stats are dodgy many of the women don’t want to know. They just keep on repeating the same soundbites ad nauseum.
I am slow on the uptake
People have mentioned the dangers of a technocracy
I was corresponding with an acquaintance of mine on the subject of covid. He’s a senior technocrat. His take on all of this is very much along the lines of this is a “problem” to be “solved”, of course by technocratic means, by people like him. If you have a hammer you’re really proud of, everything is made to look like a nail…
I was just thinking yesterday, that to these technocrats, the world must seem like a giant game of populous (god game from 1989).
Einstein.. ” I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction, the world will have a generation of idiots”
This is a fair point and a lesson I leant the hard way in university politics (back in the previous millennium). Mathematicians and scientists tend to mistake their opinions about life in general for the sort of objective facts they deal with in their labs, and their unconscious response to disagreement would be to treat their interlocutor as a slightly dim student who had failed to grasp the explanation and just needed it repeated a bit more slowly and loudly. Talking to your dean like this does not go down well …
The sort of technocrat that thrives under the likes of Hitler who give them the means to carry out their maniac schemes
Google: problem – reaction – solution
You will soon start to see how this works.
Why are people so gullible when it comes to believing what they are told on health matters? I guess we are used to deferring to doctors – “experts” in matters of health. Most people are pretty cynical about other humans, but there seems to be a blind spot here – one that has been exploited to the maximum.
A lot of the older generation get all their news and information from legacy media, eg TV & Print. Sadly the legacy media is for the most part all in with the apocalypse even though there’s the odd opinion piece against this madness sprinkled around.
Some have started to see through it but those people who took the bait and allowed themselves to be scared to death will struggle to make rational decisions and reasoned thought no matter who tells them something to the contrary.
I’ve haven’t watched TV for 3-4 months now, absolutely none, it’s full on fear porn as well as 99% garbage lol.
Caught some newspaper headlines yesterday while buying cigs, almost all were “Highest ever Covid Cases !” even though their editors must know its meaningless.
Doctors are not called “Gods in a white coat” for nothing. Did I say that right?
Put someone in the clothes, give them a title, like Doctor, people will flop like a puppy and show their belly to be tickled.
I think I heard once doctors who do not have a doctor title are shown less respect by patients.
Agree. You see people’s health deteriorating in front of your eyes but they take the next prescribed drugs from their doctor that plaster over the symptoms (many times this results in polypharmacy where they take handfuls of pills that are contraindicated).
They fail to take responsibility for their own health or improving their immune systems.
I am coming to the conclusion that of the two routes out of this nightmare (change of attitude to the virus and / or widely accepted vaccine) the vaccine is going to be the most definitive in the minds of policymakers and the mostly (but not all) terrified masses. As such, this superforecasting site set up by the University of Pennsylvania offers a great tracker of the likelihood of 25m FDA-approved innoculations being ready by end March 2021: https://goodjudgment.io/superforecasts/#1363 For those of us with an investment inclination, you might be interested to know that the US equity market has been closely correlated with the evolving probability of a vaccine, and goes a long way to explaining the market peak in August followed by the falls in September. The AstraZeneca trial news was a major factor in this. I’m not saying ‘markets always know best’ but they do tend to look ahead quite effectively. This tracker is arguably one of the most important metric we should all be following right now. Deaths, cases, hospitalisations don’t matter because even though they are low, policymakers and the public remain in terror mode. The exit strategy therefore demands no less than an effective vaccine,… Read more »
Always has been, its the only way the climate change lobby can control ‘their’ world, the world they think we are destroying, it was the theme at Davos, No vaccine, no life
Excellent insight.
There is no exit strategy per se. Why does the vaccine have to be effective? The immunity passport doesn’t care whether the vaccine is effective. The vaccine is just an instrument for state control. It literally does not have to ‘work’ at all in medical terms. And how can it possibly work, when most of the population have acquired immunity and will never have symptomatic disease. The plural of vaccine really should be applied. Because it will be two shots in year 1, and who knows after that. I do keep one eye on the market though. Because the financial analysts are often the first to be tipped the wink about developments. As we saw with Pascale Soriot of AZN giving out information about AZD1222 to an investor forum, before it was given anywhere else. I’ve also been watching the share price for Rolls Royce. Down 44% in the last month, and 82% on the year. Shows all the signs of possibly going to the wall shortly. Govt. is simply looking the other way. A symbol of British technological excellence for generations. Plus an important defence contractor. But now Cummings is running the Defence review, conventional defences are being run… Read more »
Kevin 2, spot on with your first paragraph. It’s never been about a ‘working’ vaccine, merely total control of us lowly serfs. Depressing AF.
As one of the first to recognise a ‘ non viable ‘ job when he sees one, and get on his bike.
Whenever confronted with two options, choose the third. Old Jewish proverb.
Nice to see Toby has finally noticed that The Telegraph talks out of both sides of it’s mouth at last !!!!!
Only cancelled my subscription in July because of this very thing lol.
Probably something to do with getting a cool £3.5m from Bill Gates for its “biosecurity” coverage.
Watch out for the Nuki guy’s stuff. All conforms to the script.
Don’t agree with that. In reality, an honest newspaper should represent both sides of the argument. I don’t mind the publications such as the Telegraph, Daily Mail and Spectator which have broadly toed the government line in news reporting but at least allowed sceptical and dissenting comment to be aired as well in their pages. It’s the ones that have acted as outright propagandists such as BBC, Guardian, Ties etc, that I really object to.
Been revelling in the invigorating blast of sceptical comments accompanying Richard Littlejohn’s piece in the Mail. But this one made me cry:
“How’s this for sad? My friend, 80, with dementia, in sheltered accommodation thinks the masks and distancing are because the staff think they talk too much. Please, let her get on with WHATEVER is left of her life.”
Oh God, strike down those evil swine with fire from heaven, before it’s too late.
Happy to help with the fire.
There was strong evidence early on, that deaths in Italy were being caused by stress.
Yeah I listened to that interview with Right Said Fred. It’s worth listening to!
Had an interesting conversation with a guy that I’m working with at the mo. His next door neighbour was 85 and had severe heart disease, and he developed a cold and cough and had to be tested for COVID. His test came back negative but a few weeks later he died due to the heart disease. Anyway, his family wanted to bury him as soon as possible as per their Muslim faith but the doctor told them an autopsy was required which could take weeks or months. As the family wanted to bury him the next day the doctor put COVID as the cause of death so that no autopsy was required.
How many other COVID deaths are being classed this way to negate the need for an autopsy?
Had the cause of death been any other notifiable disease then an autopsy would be mandatory, but this requirement was removed in the coronavirus legislation for CoViD19.
It’s a very easy way out of having to do a proper investigation into the death. Makes you wonder if we could have another Shipman on our hands here, and dodgy deaths and forced wills.
If you look at the actual guidance document about death certificates for doctors and coroners, it basically says “Bang ’em through, don’t involve a coroner unless you really have to”. No symptoms needed, no second opinion needed, just “If you think it might be covid, put that.”.
Would this explain the earlier profiling – that members of the BAME community were more likely to die with CV19?
O/T yesterday Nick Ross suggested to his interviewee that the recent surge in covid cases was down to wealthy young white people not obeying the rules.
Said interviewee went with the age/class part (students) but deftly avoided the race baiting.
That’s a very good point and would explain why COVID would be on the death certificate.
A suicide mentioned on UK Column was attributed to COVID, outbloodyrageous this all is!
Early into lockdown I came across a key worker ( nanny to two hospital surgeons) who told of of a friend whose baby had died in birth.
The hospital put it down as Covid death but the father in law was ‘something high in the military’ who applied pressure to have that removed.
Been doing a bit of number crunching this week. Working backwards with some of the data provided by NHS England. For August and September, 24% of the deaths recorded had no positive test !
I’m going to work through the July figures this week and see if the trend continues but I have a sneaking suspicion it will.
I’ve also been in contact with someone who regulalry put stats with context on the interweb and they’ve said they’ll take a closer look at this one too.
Quick overview on how you reach that conclusion?
We have our very Prince Charles at Davos part of the ultra obsessive climate change lobby who think that we plebs are destroying their world. They jet around, using up more resources than most of us would in a thousand lifetimes, yet they want us controlled. A vaccine ID which will be used to control and micro manage our lives will be required, for whatever we want to do,. That is the plan, the virus is just the enabler, to control the masses.
Consider charles’ lifestyle, income and properties. How much so called carbon can one life emit? How much energy can one man waste?
Pigs having milk to look aftrr tge rest of us. It is in our best interest charles kniws. If ever there was a twat it would be him.
I never thought I would say this but it could be time for a republic.The Queen is totally absent in the biggest crisis we have faced since the 2ND World War and the heir is totally on board with the insane government.She should be the check on state power
I agree and I have always been a royalist considering that the continuity of our monarchy is a good thing for the country though is mainly a figurehead but avoids the elected egotists of presidents. Look at usa election candidates for what a farse this could be, and anyone want a President Blair??.
But I have been disappointed in the power structures we have at the moment representing the citizens of this country, and the queen totally absent (not surprising given her age), and Prince Charles I don’t rate at all. I think once the queen departs there will be changes to the royal family.
So do I; a drastic curtailment of the Sovereign Grant/Civil List for starters, too many hangers-on being supported for nought.
President Blair is the stuff of nightmare, but I cannot see Charles and Camilla acceding to the throne.
My feeling is that William is the only one who could reign with any semblance of credibility and acceptance.
I always used to have Republican instincts but recent events have made me despair.
Yes i agree ref William – I think he would appeal to many in the country as the next monarch, and preferred over Charles. But Charles has waited 50+ years for this and doubtful he’d pass over – don’t know and I guess we’ll have to wait and see…
I’m a royalist just because of the thought of someone like president Blair,but ultimately the monarch has a constitutional role.She should step in to stop the march to tyranny
Blair would have appointed President Prescott, keeping the real power to himself but we’d still be lumbered with John now.
Exactly. The entire Establishment must go. Been saying this for months. The whole bloody lot are the enemy.
‘Queen is said to be ‘furious’ after Royal Household staff revolted against a plan for them to stay in a coronavirus bubble at Sandringham over Christmas.
A team of about 20 employees had been asked to remain on the monarch’s Norfolk estate without their families to support her, Prince Philip and other members of the Royal Family during the festive period.
But the group – said to involve cleaners, laundry and maintenance workers – are believed to have mutinied because they are unwilling to isolate from loved ones for four weeks.
Staff were being asked to stay for the month-long period so they could remain in a Covid bubble to protect the 94-year-old monarch.
The uprising means the Queen could be forced to spend Christmas at Windsor Castle for the first time in 33 years. ‘
Mail Online yesterday.
Sounds terrible. I’d hate to have to spend Christmas in a castle.
Two things, and both on the basis of me not minding the Queen; I think she’s done an ok job:
I doubt the Queen is “furious” at all. I call bull on this “Royal source” quote. We on here know full well to take every news article with a pinch of salt.
she should have invited all their families too – i’m sure they have more than enough bedrooms to put them up – then ‘ol queenie could have a jolly knees up with her subjects round the xmas tree!! 🙂
Rule of six though
How does that work with ones servants?!
Sounds like Mail blollocks, they could rustle up a couple of dozen loyalists if they needed to.
Plenty of NHS staff isolated from families for weeks staying in serviced apartments and hotels.
Being a Republic has always been the grown up way forward .It’s always saddening to see these pathetic appeals to the queen whether it’s the right or the left being upset about something .The very idea they give a shit about us landless peasants is laughable and childish .The sad truth is and always has been the people of this country without wealth or power can only look to each other for help ,security and solidarity . Unlike others on this site i have faith that ultimately if the government do not change course it will be the masses who will break us out of the straight jacket we are in .As we are on this theme i think the ENGLISH REPUBLICANS would be a much better name than Lawrence Fox RECLAIM ,which sounds like a new boy band .One things for sure something must fill the vacuum by the next election as the two party system is finished
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-met-must-tackle-thugs-not-peaceful-protesters/
Read that this morning while waiting for Toby to post.
Lets get this party started folks 😉
https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/
Bit light on policy, as in none. No mention of covid.
Isn’t that a direct quote from Jim the washing machine salesman and formerly one of our finest MPs? By the way, what is it about Leicester East as a constituency?
Dubious area – wasn’t Janner from around there ?
I prefer David Kurten’s Heritage Party:
https://www.heritageparty.org/manifesto/
On Facebook the Boris Johnson site has posted article about training schemes this morning. All the comments i read slate him about crashing the economy/jobs etc.
A typical comment: “You’re doing a terrible job. Sorry, I misspoke. You’re doing a diabolical job“
There are a lot of pissed off people out there – Boris should be concerned about the public mood – could turn nasty.
Here’s the link – hope it works
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVur17MDtO_1dIVX63nDjWDy2hUlw1XthWfqKdKOTmi0JFO2_ednWoMqEGtQn9pDaAe1e-wSBjOXXNr7f2-xcHRbEoHm4h9Gf-gz_E9pDgk7PIY3RKHnTV7kal-9uVa0yvqxamMWuAxwoqYTN4HQwHFeryCjWkzJGtK68w4m-XAto4shuHDLTF7CaMI6GXdvcwbp9CPY7FesrB-JHeDG5Dm&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R
Does it list any training schemes for former members of the government?
Maybe they can Learn To Code
Defo tend to prefer software engineers who can count.
Lesrn to Be Human would be a good foundation course.
Waste of time. Multinationals prefer Indian junior programmers brought in on via the back door that is intra company visas, by the likes of Infosys and Cognizant. Funny coincidence that Sunak’s father in law is head honcho at Infosys…
You need to delete all the link after the ?
The rest may identify you.
That letter by Gilbert, the 18 y old, is one of the best letters published here!
To the point, polite and yet punchy!
Agree totally. Very good!
I’ve just read the comments on The Daily Record about the hapless 10 year old’s birthday experiences with the cops; unbelievable-all complaining about lockdown being lifted too soon.
And, as for Ayrshire cops, they ignore all the local drug dealing which many of us have complained about over the years.
Too busy issuing warnings to children.
I wonder whether we should start a Habeas Corpus party?
Actually that’s a good name.
As the best history book ever, 1066 and All That, reminds us, Habeas Corpus means we can keep our bodies.
I loved that book! O for the days when we were allowed to laugh at everything!
So, let’s suggest Habeas Corpus to some influential sympathisers; any suggestions?
Annie,you’re good at taking aim where it matters.
Not if you are going to be autopsied, your body becomes the property of the Court.
I am beyond angry.
At this very moment on R4, another “expert” is seriously advocating that all over 65’s should isolate themselves for 3 months because “BLAH,BLAH,BLAH”
Is this stupid person suggesting that my wife,her brother and myself shut ourselves away and leave my 95 year old mother in law to fend for herself?
I have always been a lifelong pacifist but at this moment “If I could put my hand on a gun”
It’s wicked. There will be people who go along with it. I don’t think it will be law though – overreach. I hope.
To be honest, the woman who opposed her said “You are talking about ” up to 20% of the population here, it would be unworkable” but then whenever did logic and commonsense cut any ice with these arrogant patronising bullies?
I just listened to 3 minutes of that program this morning, what a twat that Oxford Behavioural compliance woman was. Her arguments for lockdowns and restrictions were incredible. However the other woman was it Gupta, she was the voice of reason. At least THE BASTARD BBC are talking it now. The BASTARDS.
And I believe you can apply that to ITV,Channels 4 and 5 and Sky; correct me if I’m wrong.
It’s insane. I am reminded of the “Map is not the territory” analogy.
https://fs.blog/2015/11/map-and-territory/
They have these models which suggest that a level pull here, a little incentive there means people will move in the exact way you want them to.
Do they ever get out into the real world?
No.
They conveniently do not distinguish between healthy and sick people. Also no mention of improving our immunity.
Another “scientist” with no skin in the game.
It is all a big fun experiment for them.
I bought a Doro smartphone last year as it was a VERY good price, mainly to use it for travel. After using it once for flying, I vowed to go back to paper tickets, as I found it too much hassle to have to unlock my phone several times and swipe here, press here to get my ticket on the screen.
It is pay as you go and I have not topped it up since March (when I last travelled).
This morning I have no connection, I used it at home on Wifi to access the internet.
It will not be re-activated.
What madness are we living? When one stops to think of the insanity of it all. A bunch of politicians and officials have persuaded themselves and a large part of the world population that they have the power and ability to control a virus that has spread to millions all over the world. This coalition of imbeciles and sociopaths are indulging a ridiculous, dangerous fantasy that is destroying all our lives. They are misusing and abusing the awesome power of the state to impose half-baked, completely unproven ideas that have no effect other than to wreak havoc in the lives of millions of people. They have stirred up some of our worst instincts like fear, mistrust and censoriousness. And like the thugs that they are, they won’t stop to listen to anyone who tries to talk sense into them. Instead they intimidate and stamp down on those who refuse to play along with their obscene, macabre game. Seeing this atrocity unfold before us all, seeing how ridiculous and unnecessary it all is and seeing the pain and suffering and despair it is causing is just maddening. It is simply not enough that this comes to a rapid end. Every politician… Read more »
You are absolutely spot on. Personally, I view this as a crime against humanity.
Me too.
Seconded.
Came to the same conclusion whilst walking back from the shop this morning; looking at all the lost souls wearing masks in their cars, walking the streets, and doing their shopping. Someone has to pay for this abomination!
Well said, sir.
Quite agree; they should all be prosecuted-where I don’t know-but they must be held to account,and soon.
Brick wall, AK-47, Christmas Day.
Treble time ?
Indeed. This shouldn’t just be a case of ending someone’s political or civil service career.
It has all gone far beyond that. Criminal charges should follow.
I agree, but as we saw with the Iraq war, in practice it’s almost impossible to prosecute such moral crimes because those in charge are very careful to write the laws so they are technically within them, as interpreted of course by complicit, protective or just self-interested judges and prosecutors.
You are right – that’s the thing.
They should follow, but they won’t.
Absolutely spot on. What makes me so f*****g gut clenching angry is who the hell do these Politicians think they are to declare that their lives/opinions are worth more than any other human being on this planet.
Well said and I wish I can like your comment more than once! This crisis has really brought out the worst in people. True you have those volunteering to help the vulnerable or Captain Tom raising money but I think that the bad has outweighed the good to the point where this is breaking up relationships and friendships. What’s worse are the government and their advisors using this crisis for their own selfish ends and the gratification of their ego. I’ve always believed that people don’t enter politics to serve the public, they do it for their own selfish ends and we’re seeing it in its extreme form at the moment. It is simply not enough that this comes to a rapid end. Every politician and official who has had a significant role in this monstrosity needs to face a severe punishment that must serve as an example to anyone who might ever think of doing something like this again. And the power of the state needs to be pared back so that it can’t be used to destroy lives as it is now. Absolutely. I’m not a believer in capital punishment but perhaps we can make an example of those… Read more »
I think you are right about selfish ends. Looking back in history there are examples of leaders doing the wrong thing with good motivations.
The motivations in this case are at least in part, the desire to be seen to have saved thousands of lives, and be seen as the party of the NHS. They think this is the way they keep in power until at least 2029.
They think that the costs of their action are worth bearing, compared to the political risk of having not acted sufficiently.
It was safer for them to copy what other countries did.
Let’s hope it massively backfires when people see the results of these policies.
Well, if it looks like a fascist Government, talks like one and behaves like one perhaps the simplest explanation is that is what it is.
Let’s see if Parliament has the balls to vote against the Enabling Act today. If so, maybe that will be the turning point.
Heads! Spikes! Walls!
It’s the only way
Boris Biden.
He does look as if his brain has been baked.
That letter from the parent is hard to read. In particular that she looks forward to the day ‘when this is over’ so they can treat her daughter and friends.
This won’t be over anytime soon as Vallance & Witty will be reminding us today. And the BBC continue to warn us that until we find some substance to inject our bodies with, you can forget normality.
What’s that? The curves all over Europe show a natural bend to this virus that suggests herd immunity? First to the Gulag with you!!
Look on the bright side. Just because the BBC say it, doesn’t make it true.
I can’t work this out. Is epidemiology a branch of science or a branch of politics?
Neither: it is a wannabe branch of both!
It is directly akin to climate change ‘science’. It is promoted by exactly the same types of people, funded by the same types of people, and using the models produced by the same types of people.
it’s demonology
i think it is on a par with astrology
It’s junk science and should be consigned to history like phrenology.
The council elections in march should be interesting.
Assuming they’re not cancelled
With “social distancing” it would probably take a week for the usual 15/20% turnout to vote so,yes they will probably be cancelled (soon to be abolished?) for public safety.
The bets are on …. cancelled.
They’re already talking about ‘postponing’ May’s Welsh Senedd elections.
What about my ‘Covid-safe’ postal vote?
I’ll bet on ‘cancelled’ too.
No brainer.
In May 2021. We still hope, anyway.
Unless there’s a party wanting to abolish the Welsh Assembly standing, I won’t be bothering.