Trump Hospitalised
The big news last night was that Donald Trump, who has tested positive for coronavirus, has been taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Centre in Bethesda, Maryland, for a “few days” as a “precaution”. The BBC has more.
A feverish US President Donald Trump has been flown to hospital after testing positive for coronavirus.
The White House said the president was “fatigued but in good spirits” and was taken to hospital as a precaution.
Mr Trump received an experimental drug cocktail injection at the White House after he and First Lady Melania Trump both tested positive for Covid-19.
Not great news for Trump, obviously, and not great news for lockdown sceptics either. Trump, after all, is one of the most outspoken critics of the extended “shut downs” in some US states and has praised those Republican governors who have reopened their states the quickest. If he were to die of Covid, lockdown zealots would be cock-a-hoop, treating it as definitive proof that sceptics are wrong. Of course, all it would really show is that people of a certain age, particularly if they’re over-weight, are vulnerable to the disease and if they want to minimise their risk of death they should shield themselves from others. It wouldn’t show that it’s sensible to lockdown entire populations when the risk posed by the disease to healthy people under 65 is no greater than the risk posed by seasonal flu.
But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Even allowing for his age, gender and weight, Trump still has a 96% chance of surviving. And given that he’s been self-medicating with hydroxychloroquine, the odds are probably better than that. Get well soon, Mr President.
Covid Vaccines “Will Never Prevent Infection”
William Haseltine in Forbes has looked at the trial protocols that four leading vaccine developers, Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson, have published and drawn a shocking conclusion: none of them is aiming to produce a vaccine that prevents infection or reduces likelihood of death.
Prevention of infection is not a criterion for success for any of these vaccines. In fact, their endpoints all require confirmed infections and all those they will include in the analysis for success, the only difference being the severity of symptoms between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Measuring differences amongst only those infected by SARS-CoV-2 underscores the implicit conclusion that the vaccines are not expected to prevent infection, only modify symptoms of those infected.
We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols – Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca – do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.
So mild are the symptoms the vaccines are being tested against that Haseltine dryly remarks: “These vaccine trials are testing to prevent common cold symptoms.”
It appears that all the pharmaceutical companies assume that the vaccine will never prevent infection. Their criteria for approval is the difference in symptoms between an infected control group and an infected vaccine group. They do not measure the difference between infection and non-infection as a primary motivation.
A greater concern for the millions of older people and those with pre-existing conditions is whether these trials test the vaccine’s ability to prevent severe illness and death. Again we find that severe illness and death are only secondary objectives in these trials. None list the prevention of death and hospitalisation as a critically important barrier.
He concludes the trials are designed to succeed come what may, which may explain the unusual pace at which they are progressing and the strange sense of confidence that surrounds them, with reports coming out that some vaccines may be available this year.
What it means, though, is that these companies are not creating what most people assume they are creating, namely something that bestows immunity or at least reduces the risk of death. The fact that the prevention of hospitalisation and death – the only reason people are really concerned about Covid, after all – is not a primary aim of the vaccine development is somewhat surprising.
No wonder Haseltine concludes the vaccines currently under trial “will not be the silver bullet needed to end the pandemic”. Do the politicians understand what they are getting? If not, it is incompetence of the highest order as they are wrecking their economies and steamrolling their people’s liberties awaiting drugs that are little more than a glorified version of Lemsip. If they do, why are they making their people languish in ruinous confinement awaiting what is essentially a placebo?
Either way, it has the making of a huge scandal.
“Second Wave” Fizzling Out
Another day brings yet more evidence that the second wave ripple continues to dissipate. Backing up the findings of the Imperial React study published on Thursday, the ONS study released on Thursday shows an even greater drop off in new infections, falling from an estimated 9,600 a day last week to 8,400 a day this week. This suggests that, far from continuing to grow exponentially as per Witless and Unbalanced’s graph of doom, the outbreak has already entered a phase of decline. Christian Yates in the Medical Xpress provides further confirmation of this trend from hospital admission rates and the number of calls to emergency services and the NHS.
The Government, inevitably, will claim it’s due to their latest restrictions, and as usual present no evidence but just wave their hands in front of wiggly graphs. But the truth is that cases have been growing fastest in the regions that have been placed under local lockdowns, as the Mail illustrates.
In light of this, the Mail questions whether local lockdowns are really effective or worthwhile.
There are now concerns that Luton will follow in the footsteps of Stockport and Wigan and see even more restrictive measures reintroduced just weeks after they were eased.
If this becomes the case, it will mean not a single town, city or borough in England will have successfully turned around a COVID-19 outbreak with the help of a local lockdown.
Experts say it raises questions about whether the juice is really worth the squeeze, as local businesses go bust and people are forced to go weeks without seeing their loved ones due to the targeted measures.
Meanwhile, in Madrid, dubbed the “capital of Europe’s second wave”, hospital occupancy continues its downward trend, now sustained for over a week. Importantly, the decline in infections predates any Government intervention, showing that it is most likely the result of acquired population immunity. And, of course, the Spanish Government has ignored this positive data and just placed Madrid under a local lockdown of sorts, imposing a rule of six and a 10pm curfew.
Boris Rejects Advice of Leading Oxford Epidemiologist
Andrew Neil on Spectator TV on Thursday night interviewed leading Oxford epidemiologist Professor Sunetra Gupta. It’s well worth a watch and confirms what we feared – that Boris has heard and rejected Prof Gupta’s advice. Here’s the relevant part, kindly transcribed by a Lockdown Sceptics reader.
Andrew Neil: What did you make of Kate (Andrews) pointing that public opinion was perhaps moving in a direction that maybe we now need just to learn to live with this? Not that it means everything back to normal or anything like that but that we’ve got to accept it’s going to be around for some time and rather than lockdowns or extreme measures, we should learn to live with it. Would that be a sensible response?
Professor Gupta: I think that that’s a very sensible response and that’s what should have been made available as an option or as the most likely course, again, right from the outset because that is what was likely to happen with a virus of this ilk. So what’s most likely to happen and desirable is that it settles down to what we call an endemic equilibrium such as we enjoy with influenza, with pneumococcal bugs that cause pneumonia and a variety of other pathogens – we live at an endemic equilibrium with them and live lives normally and accept the deaths that they cause because, you know, that’s what society is about; it’s about optimising on this really quite complex landscape of risks and weighing the costs and benefits to arrive at a solution that is the best thing for everybody.
Andrew Neil: When you put these points to the Prime Minister, what did he say?
Professor Gupta: Er, nothing. But then he has responded since then.
Andrew Neil: Clearly, he didn’t listen to you did he?
Professor Gupta: He has since then responded in terms that suggest he doesn’t agree with what we propose as a strategy which is that we allow the virus to reach that endemic equilibrium but meanwhile protect those who are susceptible to death and try and hasten that moment where it becomes the same as flu, which may have already happened, we don’t know, but to try and get there the best thing to do is allow it to circulate and protect the vulnerable people and then once it reaches that endemic equilibrium, life can return to normal – it doesn’t have to go to some new normal; we can go back to the old normal, maybe we can learn a few things from this experiment.
Neil concludes that we’ve been sold a false prospectus intentionally… with Witless and Unbalanced being complicit.
However, Spectator editor Fraser Nelson is a bit more sanguine. Asked by Andrew Neil if the Prime Minister is being held hostage by his two senior scientific advisers, he says:
I don’t think so. I actually think that when he had Professor Gupta in the weekend before last and other people of her persuasion, he was trying at least to listen to other voices. Now, since then, sure, he hasn’t said that he agrees with her or disagrees with the Swedish approach but we haven’t had too much in the way of restrictions. When I heard earlier this week we were going to get another Boris Johnson and Patrick Vallance press conference, I was all braced for sharper lockdown measures, the same as I was on Tuesday last week. In both cases, they didn’t emerge. I think he’s in a position now where he has created some space to allow himself to have a look at the data. Is it going to settle? Is it going to look like the Vallance projections? And if it isn’t following the Vallance trajectory in the way that Kate (Andrews) showed us it isn’t, then we don’t need to proceed with more national lockdown measures. So my sense is that in listening to dissenting voices, and also recently hasn’t asked Patrick Vallance and Chris Witty to meet his Cabinet every week – this is a new development – and expose them to their questioning. So I think he is now creating space where he can say, “OK, gentlemen; I’ve heard you. But I’ve got to consider cancer deaths, the economy, public health in general and I think, on balance, I’m not going to implement lockdowns which you recommend.”
Optimistic, some would say. Isn’t it more likely they will see falling “cases” and conclude all their various convoluted measures did the trick and need to remain in place? Time will tell.
Ripples Not Waves
What governments insist on referring to as “second waves”, sceptics tend to call ripples. Today on Lockdown Sceptics we’re publishing the next instalment in our “Canaries in the Mine” series, this one called “Ripples“. In it, Dr Rudolph Kalveks, who has a PhD in theoretical physics, seeks to put the wave/ripple distinction on a rigorous scientific footing. Here’s the question he tackles:
How can we objectively distinguish a “wave”, which may represent a cause for concern, from a natural “ripple”, which can be expected to subside without impacting the population at large?
His conclusion:
Thus, we continue to have the perplexing situation in the UK where an observational analysis across multiple countries puts the ripples (and their plausible development) at (one or two) orders of magnitude smaller than the first epidemic wave, while government advisers persist in presenting scenarios where the “second wave” could be an order of magnitude greater than the first!
Well worth a read.
Deserted Doctor’s Surgery
Author and Lockdown Sceptics reader Melvyn Fickling wonders where all the patients have gone at his local surgery.
I have just returned from my local GP surgery in Norwich where I went to have a routine blood test. I knew it would be an unusual experience, but I was unprepared for what I found. Outside the door stood a large sign in yellow and black telling me that if I felt ill, I should go straight home… Reassured in my own rude glow of good health, I complied with the Wear a Mask signage and tried the door. It was locked… I suspect I was supposed to ring the doorbell, but I discovered that irascible handle rattling had the desired effect. A masked receptionist unlocked the door, stuck out his head and asked “What can I do for you?”
“Er, I have an appointment.”
The young man took my name, locked the door and went to check that I was telling the truth. He returned, unlocked the door and pointed what I took to be a taser at my face. It turned out he was taking my temperature. Reassured that I was not rabid, he finally allowed me across the threshold, immediately directing me to the toilet with an instruction to wash my hands. The toilet door was wedged open so he could watch for any lack of enthusiasm on my part. While humming “Happy Birthday” I read the sign that told me these facilities were cleaned after every single use…
Deemed clean, I was directed to the cavernous waiting room that was completely empty except for half-a-dozen chairs set at a very generous two metre distance from one another. Ludicrously, my escort allocated a specific chair and waited for me to be seated before retreating, presumably to scrub the basin I had just used.
I sat in cathedral-like solitude for a few minutes before the nurse called me. It was apparent that she knew me from better times, but with her features swaddled and her voice attenuated by a visor, I did not recognise her. It was not only the nurse that was wrapped like a mummy; her keyboard and mouse lay under their own makeshift clingfilm coverings.
Blood successfully taken, I was directed to exit following the one-way system. I crossed the still-deserted waiting room to the side door and left via the garden and car park.
All this in a city that is today declaring 12 ‘cases’ per 100,000 and where the hospital (a major hub for the whole county) has recorded only two Covid deaths in the last four months.
In normal times I have never seen this waiting room with fewer than a dozen people at any time of the day, and generally it is quite crowded. Where are those people now? Who is dealing with their health concerns while the NHS pussyfoots around with their risible Covid-emergency overkill?
More University Insanity
A reader has returned to university to find his life is now governed by countless inconsistent and pointless rules.
Back at university with all the restrictions reminds many of us of what Vladimir Nabokov is quoted as having said of ageing faculty members: they had long ceased to notice the existence of students on campus.
Given we are still paying full fees some attempt is being made at normality, and it was with some relief that our university has allowed us to start training to play sport – in this case water polo. But thanks to the new rules made in response to Covid in the UK, water polo has changed beyond all recognition.
Before entering the pool we were instructed to maintain a safe space at all times. This is not only quite difficult in a contact sport, but also rather perplexing as it is played in a pool of chlorinated water – quite literally a bath of disinfectant. More amusing, however, every player was given their own ball, which was not under any circumstance to be passed. No goalkeeper was allowed either, as he or she would be at risk of catching the virus from one of many balls in the pool at the same time.
So a game of countless goals, with every player in the net at the same time retrieving their own or any ball to hand. After the ‘match’, all 15 of us piled back into the same changing room before heading back to campus and being subject to the ‘rule of six’, meaning no celebration at the pub to rejoice in the highest scoring training game in the university’s history.
It is all so pointless and poorly thought out. Campus is lifeless, depressing, dead. If this is the new normal, then it would be much better to subscribe to the Open University where one may still be encouraged to ask the right questions, even about the coronavirus, instead of being fed the ‘right’ answers. It would certainly be cheaper and entail less risk of getting locked into solitary confinement because a student friend happens to meet another who met another who maybe has or had the virus.
Round-Up
- “Toby Young on Media Masters” – Toby is interviewed by Paul Blanchard for his Media Masters podcast series. Plenty of lockdown scepticism is on display
- “How hysterical leaders fail workers” – Excellent Blue Labour critique of the damaging and opportunistic behaviour of the unions by Paul Embery in UnHerd
- “Why can’t some people get to see a GP?” – Telegraph editorial raising the troubling unavailability of primary care
- “Now battling Covid himself, Donald Trump faces uncomfortable questions at a turning point for the US election” – Analysis of yesterday’s big story by Ben Riley-Smith in the Telegraph
- “False positives and the never-ending epidemic” – Good, clear explanation by Diana Kimpton in the Conservative Woman
- “COVID-19 is not a pandemic” – It is a “syndemic” characterised by an “array of non-communicable diseases” caused by the same virus, argues Richard Horton in the Lancet. He also has a piece about “Science and the breakdown of trust“
- “We need an exit plan from CV 19 restrictions” – John Redwood MP challenges the Government on its lack of a Plan B in the absence of a vaccine. He has also set out his view of the situation post-Brady amendment
- “How universities tricked students into returning to campus” – Lorna Finlayson in the Guardian suspects foul play from our institutions of higher learning
- “Let’s stop this doom-laden Covid talk leading us into another disastrous lockdown” – Patrick Minford doesn’t hold back in the Telegraph
- “Boris Johnson has become the servant of incompetent scientists” – The latest sceptical blast from Frederick Forsyth in the Express
- “The impact of host resistance on cumulative mortality and the threshold of herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2” – Updated paper from Professor Sunetra Gupta and colleagues that concludes, reassuringly: “It would be reasonable to expect that second and subsequent epidemic waves will result in far fewer deaths than the first wave”
- “At last, the Conservatives are showing some fight in the culture war” – Douglas Murray in the Spectator is pleasantly surprised by the recent show of spirit from the Tories
- “The sly dishonesty of Owen Jones” – Douglas Murray, this time in UnHerd, is unimpressed by an exculpatory rewrite of history
- “This Covid Hysteria Is Unforgivable” – Solid, well-evidenced sceptical piece by Robert Hunter in Medium
- “Important Viral Update for UK – What Whitty and Vallance say and what the science says” – Latest from Ivor Cummins
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just two today: “Nanny State Blues” by Marion McCoskey and “Power is Taken” by Moby.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we feature the “Historic Landmarks Consultative Exercise” by the City of London Corporation.
Like many areas of the country, the City of London has a number of statues and other landmarks which have links to the slave trade and historic racism.
In the light of the Black Lives Matter movement, organisations across the UK are reviewing the cultural legacy of slavery and deciding how this issue should be addressed.
The City of London Corporation is committed to equality, inclusivity and diversity, and to ensuring the City, and City Corporation sites managed outside the Square Mile, are places where people of all ethnicities and backgrounds feel safe and welcome.
In June 2020, the City Corporation set up the Tackling Racism Taskforce to consider what the organisation should do to tackle racism in all its forms.
They want to know:
– Whether you think statues, building and street names and other landmarks with links to slavery, and historic racism in the City of London – or on City Corporation sites managed outside the Square Mile – are a problem
– Which statues and other landmarks in particular you think are a problem
– What action you would like to see taken – for example leaving statues and landmarks in situ, reinterpreting them visually in some way, or moving them.
The consultation is open until November 24th. If you don’t want to see London’s unique history erased by Year Zero fanatics then let them know here.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
This video by comedian John Bishop, in which he sarcastically welcomes Boris’s new coronavirus restrictions, is very funny.
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almost!!!!!!!
Third man!
Missed it again
Phillip Nolan, president of Maynooth Uni in Ireland, getting some pushback replies on his context-less and misleading graphs/figures: https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1311953972274565120
Historically, the Catholic Church ruled by fiat from Maynooth. Nolan seems to think that he has inherited that power.
Just like to point out that I have never ruled the Catholic Church…
Now’s your chance, while everybody’s busy worshipping the Covid god.
When this is over and the regime is gone the authorities must publish the names and addresses of the collaborators and informants
They should be published in local newspapers and pinned to village notice boards
Local barbers will be busy shaving the heads of collaborators.
Blunt their razors,
get the lamposts ready – 3rd one on the left for doris…
I can’t go along with all this talk of putting people against walls and shooting them or hanging people from lamp posts. Capitol punishment or even a mob lynching and execution are real horrors. Beyond horror.
If any of you saw somebody get hoisted by their neck with a rope up a lamp post and left to die horribly, or shot dead in an execution, you would never be the same gain. I have unfortunately to have seen footage of stuff like this. These things happen a lot. I wish I had never seen it. You can’t un-see these things.
Can we stop saying things like this please.
Sorry Sue not having a go at your personally honestly. I realise the fantasy of justice for these fools that are ruining our lives is a common theme for us all.
It’s just that I keep seeing calles for hangings etc and it cranks my tractor.
https://culturacolectiva.com/history/scaphism-ancient-persian-torture-method-with-milk-and-honey
I’d prefer to subject them to this.
Apparently, people who have been former captives of the CIA claimed they were subject to torture by being locked in a room and have the Bee Gees playing on repeat…. 🙂
All we need is orange jump suits and shackles in order to have our national Guantanamo.
Well, we have the masks
Agree 100%, lynching is abhorrent. I suggest the reintroduction of the stocks
The stocks were a very clever way of allowing the public to judge a criminal.
If they judged him/her truly culpable they could throw mud and odour, if not they could lay flowers, feed them and protect them from the elements.
The public (or mob) used also to throw anything that came to hand like lumps of masonry or bottles. The stocks/pillories would often result in death or maiming. If the miscreant could afford to pay for the protection of a heavy mob, he/she might get off relatively lightly.
Culpable usually meant big stones.
yes perhaps the stocks is a good compromise! Any rotten tomatoes around 🙂
The stocks – yes!
Reminds me:
To market, to market I took Uncle Jim.
Somebody threw a tomato at him.
”Tomatoes can’t hurt me”, he said with a grin.
But the next bugger did cos it came in a tin.
The price of tinned tomatoes would go through the roof!
I agree but ritual public humiliation is in order.
Introduce public viewing galleries in new Covid Convict internment camps.
They should all simply be made to live out the rest of their days in the panopticon-communist style to which they are currently forcing us to live OUR lives; mandatory masks everywhere unless eating/drinking/sitting down;living under constant rule changes to keep them wrong footed and confused; no interaction with anyone for days on end then allowed to have a few hours here and there socialising but always 2 metres from anyone; no physical contact and Marshals watching their every move and fining them for every small breach of the ever changing rules.
Like it.
I could get behind that for these evil dooers.
Totally agree. This – https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/ – would be more appropriate for a modern society governed by the rule of law.
Don’t know if it’s genuine, but it would be nice if it were.
Error message, too much traffic ?
Possibly, but it’s still working for me.
These traitors deserve nothing less.
“These fools” have already been responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of our fellow citizens and they are now making millions jobless.
Next up will be the dodgiest set of vaccines ever, which are very likely meant to be intentionally harmful. The public will be vaccinated whether they like it or not, either through blackmail or by outright compulsion.
All this madness and mayhem for an infection which just about rivals the common cold in its lethality and you want us to go easy on these power grabbing bastards!
Keep that tractor crank handy, as you may well need it before too long.
Yes – vaccine mandatory. Read the reply to the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
especially the words:
”…the Government will carefully consider all options to improve vaccination rates, should that be necessary.”
Capitol punishment is for Caesars only.
I’ve suspected for a while now that the Government’s exit strategy is to stick everyone with a placebo vaccine. No need to make one that actually works when it’s actually pretty mild for most people.
Indeed but you will need your biometric ID card and immunity passport and social credit details to leave the house, which is sort of the point of whole process.
Of course, I’m coming around to realising that is the point, especially after Ellwood’s statement in the Commons a few days ago. Plus a nice payday for the pharams.
I am still a bit shocked that this is now in plain sight and still people are oblivious. And the other members of the house didnt bat an eyelid. There should have been uproar that the idea was even being put forward. Maybe it wasnt a shock for them- maybe they were expecting it.
And you will still need the mask. The vaccine will only protect you from sars-cov-2 while the mask protects everyone from everything including the next deadly pandemic which bill gates has already informed us will be worse.
And if anyone should know, it’s Gates.
We wryly talk about it, but it’s there alright, waiting in the wings with enhanced pathogenicity.
This article in the FT explains the vaccine trials well:
https://www.ft.com/content/e5012891-58da-4a4f-8a05-182adf3ba0e2
The main point is that it is regarded as impossible to create a vaccine to give full immunity, so they have to do the best they can, so to test the efficacy of that, they take a large number of people, divide them into two groups,and inject everyone in one group, no-one in the other, the control group.Then they wait for N people in the control group to get sick, when that happens, they count how many are sick in the vaccine group and if it is far fewer and symptoms are far milder, they say the vaccine works. And that’s as good as it gets.
A placebo is a real possibility with the first shot. This would effectively silence the doubters, as there would be few reports of vaccine damage. However, Bill Gates has already said that we will need boosters every few months, so I would suggest that these subsequent shots would be not be anything like so friendly. Cuddly old Bill really wants rid of most of us and one way or another he isn’t going to waste this once in a lifetime opportunity.
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Always be careful and think twice before clicking on a link as you can easily infect your computer or mobile device without knowing.
But can we trust your links? 🤔
Not normally, but it’s the weekend and I’m not working for the 77th brigade today!
You complacent fools, the second wave was never the big one. We always said that the third wave was the one you have to worry about.
I was told the 28th wave was the one to be wary of!
That will only be a worry if we can’t round you all up and give you the vaccine we are developing. Knowing what a selfish bastard you are, skipper, we will have to do it by force. It’s for your own good.
According to the schedule and if they can produce enough we’ll all have been vaccinated by September next year according to the Royal Society.
By then, if cases double every seven days, there will be 10 trillion cases a day. There is no way we can vaccinate that many people in time.
I can’t wait to see Whitty and Valance present that graph!
Errrrrm NO
Will there be a CV tsunami?
I always thought this was the 3rd wave. No one has explained the 5,000 or so excess deaths that occurred in Nov/Dec 2019 in the UK.
With that water sample from Barcelona in March 2019 testing positive, there’s a good chance that this is at least the 4th wave
I thought that had been discounted, if only because it didn’t fit the narrative!
I bet you could get a positive PCR test from ancient remains, a bog body or Egyptian mummy for example.
I’ve got some Ammonites fossils from Robin Hood’s Bay which could be up to 250 million years old. My money is on them testing positive!
Stands to reason, they got Covid and went extinct.
Now to test Tyrannosaurus rex…
Kerry Mullis won a Nobel price for inventing the PCR test
”With a PCR test you can find almost anything in anybody. It allows you to take miniscule amounts of something and talk about it like it’s important”
Let that sink in.
Kary Banks Mullis, but yes to the rest. That was the point of my post
That doesn’t fit the narrative, so it’s a non-fact.
Most people I know who had it caught it then. When it “wasn’t here”.
I remember asking several people in early January whether they had enjoyed their two week Xmas/New Year break from work, many said
” no not really, I spent most of it ill in bed”.
Well said.
Surely it’s the Mexican Wave we have to be terrified of?
They only take place during the Wimbledon fortnight don’t they?
In Ireland, the wave to watch out for is always the ninth. Now that is long haul.
DECADE OF VACCINES
2020-2030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRaWxWyOoY&feature=emb_logo
we’ll know how a pin cushion feels!! 🙂 I think that the state apparatus is so frekin useless that to vaccinate everybody is beyond their ability and they’ll not have enough vaccine or resources to achieve it.
That was well worth watching in full, 4 months ago and it’s all panning out
Judging by how the Mayor of Middlesbrough is reacting to this nonsense, I don’t think this hysteria will last until the end of the year, let alone for 6 months.
He soon backed down thoough
Backed down is an understatement: https://twitter.com/Tees_Issues/status/1311762733667414016
Yep. Another politician who crumbles when expose to light.
“Pls note…I don’t welcome endorsements from Covid deniers, conspiracy theorists or doyles…”
OK mate, we mustn’t ask any questions.
Waste of space.
What’s a ‘doyle’ 🤔?
I did not know either but apparently “An insult. Implying that some one is of less than average intelligence.”.
Ain’t that a bit racist, Doyle being a common Irish surname?
Exactly. Note the nudge-nudge comments by him and others about this term on his Twatter feed. Charming. MW
I assumed a reference to Simon Doyle (who’s actually opposing the Government with his judicial review application). Presumably the implication being a supporter of that is also a nutter.
Dolan
Whoops, yes. My bad
Smoke and mirrors, gives an illusion he is doing something, his tweets were misleading as he was still banging on about ‘beating’ the virus, socially distancing and gimp masks i.e. the ‘new (ab)normal’
We need somebody to stand up and say the virus is endemic, no worse than flu and to grow some balls and live with it, stop all of the fraudulent safety measures and get back to normal.
If you catch it, go to bed with a paracetamol and a cup of tea.
Respectable and qualified people are saying that (Prof Carl Heneghan et al). Nobody is listening though.
I know that is what does my head in the most
Absolutely pathetic. He was threatened / paid off.
I dearly hope you are right. He’s an outlier, though, because he’s an independent mayor. Most of our mayors are aligned with a party that is fully signed up to the nonsense, and even if they themselves are not, they just go along with it.
I really want to move to Middlesbrough, though. Rod Liddle, who now admits he’s come round to our way of thinking, was superb on this on Talk Radio last night. Great interview as he slugged back the wine and dragged on a fag. https://youtu.be/1lfOgWOGJBs
Missed that first time around, now I’ve seen the vid at the end of Toby’s piece.
I was testing with a nice malt most of yesterday and everything was fine until I woke up feeling rough and with a bit of a sniffle. Better self isolate for the day.
It will last as long as it has to last.
The vaccine and “health passports” will soon be ready and they will keep the fear going until people have been bullied into accepting this “New Order”.
It might look chaotic, but the plan is actually working pretty well: frightened people who are easily controlled and manipulated.
I don’t think they will ever let up on the fear. They will come up with another way to terrorise the population.
There will be no end to this. Even when a vaccine is produced and rolled out to the population, the Gov will still enforce social distancing, masks, and parts of the country will be locked down. These restrictions are permanent now.
Closing down hospitality at 10pm will certainly be permanent probably with a 10.30 general curfew to keep us safe from the Covid.
10.30 pub closing was introduced as an emergency measure during WW1 but was not repealed until this century, bizarrely by that barrel of laughs Gordon Brown.
the same mayor who locked the parks
Just a reminder about what we are up against and how insidious the BBC propaganda. Friday night R4 following AnyQuestions .. (which i just cannot be bothered to listen to any more)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000myxf
“A point of view -The pro mask movement” with Bernadine Evaristo writer, lecturer, self confessed luvvie, woke, woke , darling of the literati, booker prize and desert island discs last month
It is only 10 minutes long. Inaccuracies, contradictions, slanders, you name it. This is the BBC view. Listen to it and despair
and so woke woke woke!!!! (just in case that did not come across)
Woko Ono
Coronanist (Genesis 38:9)
Don’t listen to it—-or any other BBC junk for that matter—and don’t despair!
Well-proven cure!
Another day another vaccine story.today the headline is we could all be vaccinated by easter!
Wev heard it all before it’s been october , x mas january.
It’s all to keep the population compliant keep dangling the carrot .all we have to do is to get to easter ! And then it will be spring , and it will go on and on!
Don’t worry – they will come up with a “vaccine” (or placebo) to make sure all those lovely pharmaceuticals companies get paid.
read the article above about pharma and it sounds as though the vaccines being developed will be no better than taking a lemsip!!
Lemsip doesn’t make you feel worse.
Yes exactly! (That’s why I put it in quotes, sarcasm doesn’t always come across well in text)
Had to laugh at your reader’s story shout his local GP waiting room. Notice saying that if you feel ill you must go straight home.
It isn’t really funny, I know, but the crass absurdity of it…
I’ve heard a few similar stories about how people are treated at GP surgeries. As far as I’m concerned if you are working as a GP and you have a problem with being in same room as someone who is unwell you should consider a different career.
Like that teachers Union leader complaining about children getting snot on her frock.
She would have been alright teaching in the 50’s, even the teachers including the head Master/Mistress had snotty noses.
If you remember the government pre lockdown advice “if you feel ill don’t go to your GP or A & E, stay home but if you don’t get better call 911”
Which meant that you could not benefit from early medical intervention and so more likely to die.
They had to boost the death rate in as many way as they could. A multi-faceted approach, I think they call it.
While I would not have expected anything less from the government it is surprising so many doctors and nurses eagerly complied and continue to do so.
Many doctors and some other health professionals have shown their true colours and their first concerns are little to do with the health of patients. Of course surgeries will now be busying themselves with the flu vaccine, as it pays a nice bonus and no doubt doctors will be given a much bigger bounty for injecting the very dodgy Covid-19 vaccines. Nothing much else will be allowed to get in the way and most won’t mind being collaborators, if the pay’s okay.
And that remains the advice, I believe…
It’s appalling what’s happening to health service.
I have relatives in Russia. Their GP clinics have been opened since June. No telephone consultations.
And British government like critisising Russian government.
Dentists are working normally too.
Train companies have wished passengers would stay home for ages so that they could get on with running their railway.
Looks like the same attitude has now infected doctors.
Let’s all clap them.
Our doctor’s waiting room was exactly the same the other day, when I walked in, I thought I was on the “Mary Celeste”,not even a receptionist was there.
This is a good video to send to those thick people, that is just about short enough to explain things before their eyes glaze over.
https://youtu.be/ZeqGtyptonI
It’s noted here under ‘Round-up’ (last one on the list). Often the best part of these posts and not to be missed.
There is a simple explanation for the empty doctors surgery
They are all dead
I live opposite a funeral director. Busy in April, dead (excuse the pun) the last 2-3 months.
Picked up a little the last week.
Or imprisoned in care homes with DNR’s on their head. Deprived of their families and just waiting to die with no medical care. Those of us in our own homes will follow as we are getting NO medical care or the surgeries we need and paid for via our contributions.
Idk if anyone posted this yesterday when they came out, but there are the latest ONS Covid-19 Infection Survey results: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/englandwalesandnorthernireland2october2020 In particular see Figure 4. This is by far the best data about what is actually happening with the dreaded Second Ripple since the ONS have a plausible justification for an FPR of < 0.05% in the PCR testing they are doing (which is not the same as that done by Pillar 2) and are the only people attempting to do a random sample. They are also plotting their graphs with error bars. As I was expecting, a modest increase in the East of England and other areas that had remained flat. Most other places appear to have already peaked, although the North East is one to keep an eye on. The way I expect these ripples to behave (now that we are all so focussed on them 🙂 is that they take about three or four weeks to reach a new equilibrium. For example, R0 might be 2 in the summer but 2.2 in the early autumn, and 2.5 at Christmas. Every time you increase R0 with a small behaviour change infection levels take about three or four… Read more »
Yet this ONS report continually refers to “COVID-19” infection. COVID-19 is the disease the immune system response results in. SARS-Cov-2 is the virus that people who have this immune system response are infected with.
The ONS is conflating terms, which supports the media’s reporting of CV19 cases, which are, in fact, positive PCR tests, not “COVID-19” infections per se.
It is good, yes. But does anyone know how to get hold of more localised data on testing? PHE obligingly lets us feast our eyes on the ‘cases’ (i.e. what they want us to see) right down to the level of local authorities. But data on no. of tests performed are only broken down as far as nation level.
“none of them are aiming to produce a vaccine that prevents infection or reduces likelihood of death.”
1) This means that the risk-benefit balance for most people looks even less favourable than it did. Why bother with an unproven product with possible long term dangers if it won’t even preven you from catching the CV-19?
2) This also leave the “herd immunity” argument looking pretty thin. They were always going to say “get the jab to protect granny”, but that looks pretty threadbare if you will still be able to infect her even after you have been vaccinated.
3) What’s the point in Ellwood’s vaccination passports if you will still be able to carry and spread CV-19 after you have been vaccinated? Without full sterilising immunity, these would now seem pointless even in their own terms.
But hey, what’s the betting they will just carry on regardless? Every day it looks like this has more to do with getting people into an electronic control grid (“health passports”) with a social credit system attached than anyone’s health.
it’s illegal under international law to mandate that a person accepts a medical intervention to which they do not consent.
Unless it is in “a very specific and limited way”.
Who’s going to stop them?
They will simply deny access to travel, many kinds of work and social events.
It will not be mandatory in a formal sense, but if you exercise your right of informed consent, you will be progressively excluded from society.
This will be for “public safety”.
But you know how it works. You won’t be forced, but if you want to.. travel, get on a plane, work in certain jobs, you’ll be barred from doing so without jumping through the medical hoops they demand.
And maybe one could argue even that is illegal and discriminatory, but the lawsuit will take forever and cost a fortune and so everybody will just comply.
It only makes sense if you take the red pill. The point of it is to setup the new control infrastructure – health passports & all the checks they will prevent you doing anything without a green light from the Government-controlled heath passport.
Fraser Nelson is indulging in wishful thinking. This madness won’t end unless Johnson is replaced, and I’m not sure who would offer a sane alternative.
There are some, and Toby has been one of them, who think they can show our masters a way back to sanity that allows them to save face.
My guess is that Bojo realised he just couldn’t make the leap back shortly after the first three weeks. So yes, Nelson is wasting his time and credibility.
He is indeed. There’s no chance of any of this happening.
Johnson will just keep on doubling down now until we have mandatory vaccination, health passports, cashless society and a Chinese-style social credit system.
That was always the plan; CV-19 is their big chance, they have shown their hand now and there is no way they will change course now unless they are forced to.
If such actions have no consequence – and I don’t consider begin replaced a suitable consequence as that is to happen at some point anyway – then this will never end. Those responsible for this need to face trial and we need to remove permanently this power over people that the government has assumed.
pm THUMB.
Thank you for taking the trouble of contacting your legal friend, I will pass that on to the young lady concerned. As I said, she is perfectly sensible which is why she asked me for my opinion in the first place. Should anything interesting develope I will post again but I doubt it.
Lucky person who was allowed a routine blood test. I’ve been denied this privilege since March, and now we are on alert level 4 I’m also not allowed the steroid injection I’ve been waiting for for three months for a frozen shoulder. When I spoke to the receptionist and reminded her that our CMO says the NHS is open for business, she said ‘I don’t know anything about that.’ Why not ffs??
Poor you. Frozen shoulder is horrid.
GP receptionists are often a breed apart. Not always but often. Presenting them with readable facts used to bring out some chief dragon who you can more easily present facts for them to absorb. They then used to look into things and admit, in a face saving roumdabout way, that your readable fact is true.
All of that long gone now of course since GPs locked their doors and have become impenetrable fortresses of pointlessness.
Send an email to the surgery marked “for the urgent attention of Dr X” explaining the problem. I found this worked for me and doctor then phoned me.
Dr Who?
Actually my mate who I am seeing tonight had a frozen shoulder and it got better. I will find out what he did to help it and let you know.
Have you had any physio on your shoulder? I had, what the doctor described, nearly frozen shoulder, physio recommended some very good exercises. Just start little and a short time, several times a day. It will get better.
I also had some treatment at my chiropractor, as I thought it was sth else, which helped.
I have cancer and have been bullied in the past to have tests I did NOT want (I worked in oncology and know most cancer treatment to be corrupt) and blood test that I was told are ‘vital’. This year? Not so vital after all. ALL cancelled. My hip surgery cancelled. I cannot even pay for it as the NHS commandeered private facilities even though they aren’t using them. I did manage to get my steroid injection privately by paying over £600. I also got dental treatment. Over £300 for a private filling, We are being culled. Simple as that. They started with the elderly and now want the sick and vulnerable dead. I’d rather be given a lethal injection (we cannot elect for euthanasia) than being slowly tortured by lack of medical care. The elderly in homes are denied contact from their loved ones. It’s criminal and amounts to imprisonment.
He shouldn’t have started wearing a stupid mask.
On an entirely serious note, the benefits of normality have been neglected, and that is the cause of the great majority of the preventable deaths throughout this whole saga.
Extremely heartened by the Neil/ Nelson interventions. I really do think all the ducks are in a row now for Johnson to chuck Whitty, Vallance, Handy Cock and the rest of these incompetent bastards under the bus. He can claim his illness compromised his judgement (not true but no one checks the date) he now realises that he was fatally mislead and come up, sort of, smelling of roses. He can also, conveniently, wrap up the one criminal act, clearing the vulnerable into care homes, with this lot and say it was all their idea and “nothing to do with me, Guv”. The only problem is he might have to chuck Cummings under the bus as well and I am not sure he is brave enough to relieve himself of his toddler blankie quite yet, especially with a Brexit can kick/ sell out of the fishermen on the horizon.
Sorry. More chance of him taking a day trip to Mars than doing any of that.
Agree. Johnson is laughable. Says he may change the rule of 6 to allow grandparents to visit on Christmas Day. Sorry Boris you chump Christmas and any other holiday are not within your gift. No one I know or others I have spoken to are taking notice and will carry on as normal. Your nonsense is unenforceable.
Not only is it patronising it is also illogical unless you believe that covid will call a Christmas truce. Football in no man’s land, showing family photographs, swapping chocolate for cake etc
I am not saying he will do it, I am just saying that all his ducks are in a row to do it.
Nice thought for such a dreary Saturday morning.
I wish I could share your optimism.
Just about every newspaper website and the likes of Sky and the BBC all carry articles along the lines of “Wear that mask” as if every single of Covid has occured because of non mask wearing. How can we sceptics refute this? I always go for “If you think that masks work, if I’m spreading it, how come it gets through your muzzle?” or “No masks in Sweden” . Is there a better killer argument?
People have completely forgotten that a few months ago – including through the peak of the epidemic – the Government’s advice, and WHO, was that masks were unnecessary outside clinical environments. Then they about-turned and claim they are so critically important that they attract huge fines for non-compliance.
Either they were lying to us before, or they are lying to us now. Can’t be both true. (Seems to me they are lying now, and the earlier advice was correct.)
To be fair, I’d say a properly fitting ffp3 respirator would stop you inhaling a virus, but as most have a ‘flap valve’ which lets the user bypass the filters when exhaling, they won’t stop an infected person transmitting the virus. The barely ffp1 masks and designer face coverings are purely psychological.
Face masks are psychological warfare on humanity.
To which zombinity immediately succumbs.
A colleague of mine has fully bought into all the bullshit, but wears one of those masks with an exhaust valve in it. Can’t persuade him of the ridiculousness of it.
Three weeks ago, Quackaduck in Wales was saying that muzzling people was infringing their civic rights, and his chief medical officer was saying masks were useless.
And now…
The WHO told a BBC reporter that they had ‘responded to political pressure’ when they changed decades of anti-mask advice on about the same day the UK mandated masks on public transport back in June.
Which country is now the second-biggest funder of the WHO? Who is the biggest funder? You don’t have to be a ‘Doyle’ as the Mayor of Middlesborough calls people like us (I’m sure he intends no racism, of course!) to figure this one out. MW
If you wear glasses and a mask, they steam up. This is because water vapour in your breath is escaping around the mask. Therefore masks don’t work as the virus is transmitted in exhaled water vapour
QED.
Good point, I’ve spoken with plenty whose only complaint is their glasses steaming up.
That gives a pointer to how useless masks are altogether.
And dry out contact lenses I would assume. If true another valid exemption
Spain – masks everywhere indoors and outdoors since July. Massive amount of “cases”. If masks work why does the country in which masks are most prevalent have the highest number of “cases” in Europe and possibly the world per capita?
They will say this is because they weren’t wearing their masks hard enough.
Either that or they’ll claim if they weren’t wearing masks there would have been many more cases / deaths, because Prof Pantsdown said so – it’s The Science.
Same on other continents:
Peru vs Brazil.
Michigan vs S Dakota
Spain / UK vs Sweden
Same evidence everywhere, lockdown nutters and muzzle wearing increase probability and severity of infection.
The P.M. who thousands demonstrated against in December, left old people to die in homes without family contact, & stood by while DNRs were placed on the elderly (and /or disabled) – he tells you to wear a mask because he’s concerned about nothing but the health of your loved ones…
He also let lots of young children die alone in hospitals as family members we’re not allowed to visit them, and the same for others who have died in hospitals of all age groups.
He has also, inflicted considerable suffering, people who required palliative care have had to remain at home and not received the medical treatment they required to ease the pain.
He has also increased mental health issues, and increased suicides and overdoses.
The guy is a grade A c*nt!
and he has only just got started.
Could not agree more – this should be on the front page of every newspaper every day – obviously won’t as bought and paid for – but the suppression of these stories is hiding a degree of awfulness that’s impossible to comprehend
Letting people die alone is barbaric. It’s inhumane and a despicable thing to do. I cannot believe that anyone defends it but I’m in various online groups and people are sucking it up. If you say that it’s a scam you are told ‘I hope you die if you get it’, ‘You should be denied treatment’ or. even worse ‘Of course they aren’t treating cancer as it isn’t safe for them’. I even had one woman tell me that ‘Your name is on a list and they’ll come for you’. I am speechless.
It’s deliberate culling of the old. Now we are seeing culling of the sick and vulnerable to medical neglect and cancelled surgeries.
My son has just received a text from my 5 year old grandsons school in Merthyr Tydfil confirming the test was negative BUT “negative tests do not conclusively rule out COVID-19 infection” followed by “to find out the actions you need to take next to keep Wales safe visit phw.nhs.wales/”
A Text (not even a letter) rec’d from the school after he had literally, a bit of a sniffle. He had to be sent home, exiled, along with his 4-year-old little brother! They all have to self-isolate for at least a week or face a potential mammoth fine!!! My 5 year old grandson is already anxious about ‘The virus’. This is evil!
I have a screenshot of the text and would like to send it to Lockdown Sceptics (people really should see this) but can’t seem to find an email address to send it to. Its probably under my nose I just can’t see for anger. Can anyone help by telling where I can send the image please?
Lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
brilliant .. if this dodgy test shows you as positive , you have covid. If it shows you as negative you still have covid.
Didn’t someone post yesterday that a child in their family has started making Xmas cards at school thinking that schools will be shut in November and December??
And still the plebs think all this is temporary.
I was watching a programme about the 90’s last night and it showed the poll tax riots and the demonstrations against Criminal Justice and Public Order Act. My how things have changed.
Absolutely correct. However, I think it’s accepted that it was the mass refusal to pay the poll tax that overturned it and not the riots. It seems incredible now but I was there and we both remember it well. I was a teacher at the time (sorry!) and our Head announced that no action would be taken against any staff member who was prosecuted/in court for non-payment. This was common and there was an incredible amount of solidarity and support – can you imagine anything like that now? We now live in a vertical society and almost all trust between us has been finished off by managerial culture and now the CV19 psy-op – a process that has been building since the 1990s, if not earlier.
I do not believe protests achieve anything much but mass civil resistance is another matter. If only we can somehow get people to see what’s going on it might still be possible but I cannot hold out much hope. Most people are too busy enjoying their slavery. MW
So if you get a test you’ve got ‘it’ whatever the result. Brilliant! The best ever argument for avoiding the test I’ve seen so far, if only the brainwashed could see it. MW
I’ve recently kept being reminded of the old ducking stool ruse – if you drown you’re innocent, if you survive you’re guikty.
The report about the vaccine development is interesting. The purpose of the lockdown is not to protect the general population. It is to prevent doctors, nurses and care home workers from getting infected and killing their terminally ill patients. Given that almost no-one dies except the terminally ill, it’s going to be interesting to see how they prove that.
I thought it was to ‘flatten the curve’ and was not going to save anyone. Bullshit is easily formed into whatever suits I guess.
How are the Camel Humps coming along or don’t we talk about them now ?
Do you honestly believe that? MW
My apologies if this sounds a stupid and obvious question. The justification for the draconian measures imposed by governments is that coronavirus is a dangerous disease with a high mortality rate or creates severe symptoms in people who survive which will overwhelm health services and create long term health problems called long Covid. If this was the case would coronavirus burn out quickly as people with severe symptoms are more likely to isolate preventing spread to other people and dead people are obviously unable to spread the disease. SARS with a 10% fatality rate burned out quickly in 2003. If a disease is widespread does this indicate a disease has mild symptoms as people with mild symptoms are less likely to isolate. Am I correct or this analysis too simplistic.
I think that’s basically true, but the great thing about covid for the zealots is that not only is it supposedly extremely mild for the 80% or so who “have it” with no symptoms, it can also be very severe for a small percentage of the vulnerable population. So they can panic about it both being a very rapid spread (precisely because it’s mild or unnoticeable for most) but also deadly in particular age groups or with medical issues.
Which is probably true for your average flu or pneumonia but nobody cares.
If people have only mild or no symptoms would the viral load be lower than someone with severe symptoms and would be less infectious. If someone was to die with coronavirus or survive but develop severe symptoms at what point would they become infectious. Would it only happen when they have severe symptoms or would this happen before the onset of severe symptoms when they would not feel the need to isolate and have a greater chance of spreading it.
I agree the idea people with no or only mild or no symptoms can spread the disease has been ruthlessly exploited by the covid Nazis. When people don’t follow the covid cult eg gathering in large groups and not anti social distancing, they are condemned as covid idiots, selfish disease spreaders and granny killers which doesn’t apply to the flu. You never hear the term flu idiots.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/
can I just ask what everyone’s understanding of the need to self-isolate. It seems to me that all of us who venture out of our keeps at all, go to hospitality venues, live with others that may go to school, take public transport etc run the theoretical risk that we could spend the next however long going into and out of isolation? And even if we have had CV19 and are tested positive for anti-bodies that will not exempt us from the need to cut ourselves off from human contact.
have I got this right? If I have, how long before everyone works out that downloading the app is like volunteering for solitary confinement?
Exactly. Plus you’re inviting the Government to have a rummage around your life on your phone – as far as they’re able to.
Not just now but as a rule, for ever.
That’s right, there was a Taxi driver on Talk Radio who rang in, he was saying that the App means he could potentially have to keep isolating for 14 day period after 14 day period, thus he could be in a situation where he could work at all.
Also, like you said, even if you test positive for anti-bodies you’ve still got to self isolate, otherwise you face a fine.
Then this so-called solution is completely and utterly flawed.
As if we didn’t know!
We’ve worked it out. Now we need everyone else to.
they will soon enough – the penny will finally drop when stories of repeated enforced self isolation come out and impact jobs and income. I think will put people off going anywhere that requires to be scanned and hit the hospitality sector especially as it doesn’t know when you have left the place as defaults to midnight.
Hence why the police aren’t allowed to download it, the police force would be on it’s knees within 24 hours (mind you they do like to take a knee)
You will not be offered an antibody test nor a PCR repeat test.
Just a simple PCR ‘positive’ and you are sinbinned for a fortnight.
This taxi driver is completely right of course, but that was evident right back in the time of the rather cloak and dagger IOW ‘trial’.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/contact-tracing-app-isle-of-wight-trial
It’s just that most folk are amazingly slow in cottoning on.
One suspects that ‘key workers’ will be targeted for more and more frequent tests, thus taking them out of circulation on a large scale…
All except the police, of course.
There is method in their madness (or madness in their method)
at some point soon they will need to say how many people have had to self isolate as a result of downloading the app.
All well and good telling us to order food and medicines online for 14 days but it’s not much use if you’ve got no money
Seems appropriate
Mr Churchill would have said that.🤪
Much better advice medically.
I’m not sure if this new track from Moby’s latest album is supposed to be anti lock down or not, but the words and video certainly fit the bill.
https://youtu.be/zPGXnhvEp9k
8 months old so probably not but very apt nevertheless