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by Toby Young
4 October 2020 2:30 AM

Boris Panicked and U-Turned Over Lockdown After Seeing Neil Ferguson’s Projections

“I see death in your future – a lot of death.”

The Mail on Sunday is serialising an explosive new biography of Boris by Tom Bower that claims Boris was panicked into imposing a full national lockdown after Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance were presented with Neil Ferguson’s apocalyptic predictions at a meeting of SAGE.

Bower tells how a critical meeting of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) on February 25th was presented with the ‘reasonable worst-case scenario’ from Professor Ferguson under which 80% of Britons would be infected and the death-toll would be 510,000 people.

The author writes: “This was an improvement on Ferguson’s earlier assessment that between 2% and 3% would die – up to 1.5 million deaths. Even with mitigation measures, he said, the death toll could be 250,000 and the existing intensive care units would be overwhelmed eight times over.

“Neither Vallance nor Whitty outrightly challenged Ferguson’s model or predictions. By contrast, in a series of messages from Michael Levitt, a Stanford University professor who would correctly predict the pandemic’s initial trajectory, Ferguson was warned that he had overestimated the potential death toll by ‘ten to 12 times’….

The book reveals how shortly before the national lockdown, on March 16th, Ferguson forecast that one third of the over-80s who were infected would be hospitalised, of which 71% would need intensive care using ventilators.

This exaggerated prediction – that hospitals would be overwhelmed by at least eight times the usual admittance rate – made the lockdown all but inevitable.

Worth reminding people again that Professor Ferguson’s estimates of the impact of previous viral outbreaks have been almost comically inaccurate. In 2001, he predicted that foot and mouth disease could kill up to 50,000 people. It ended up killing less than 200. In 2005, he told the Guardian that up to 200 million people could die from bird flu. The final death toll from avian flu strain A/H5N1 was 440. And in 2009, a Government estimate based on one of Ferguson’s models estimated the likely death toll from swine flu at 65,000. In fact, it was 457.

Why did Boris take the predictions of this serial doom-monger so seriously?

BBC Not Telling Us Full Story About Covid – Matthew Parris

Lockdown sceptic Matthew Parris has written an excellent column in the Times today in which he berates the BBC for not doing its job properly in covering the coronavirus crisis.

“Coronavirus: GP letter was like a ‘death warrant from grim reaper’ ” (BBC News); “One death every 80 seconds: Brazil reaches a grim milestone as it becomes the third worst-hit country…” (BBC News); “Grim milestone as virus cases top 25m globally” (BBC News).

Grim, grim, grim. There has been a lip-smacking quality, not only in headlines but in the reports that follow from the world’s news media. All of us should be more rigorous in resisting the appeal of a ghoulish turn of phrase. But the BBC has been a serial offender.

In what follows I’m aware that, when it comes to panic-spreading, our state broadcasting corporation is only one of many miscreants among print and broadcast media. But that’s because I look to the BBC to help set standards. The corporation has a particular duty to stand a little back from the noise and introduce a note of quiet balance into the national conversation.

When our politicians try to use science as propaganda, broadcasters should be rock-solid in resisting the hype. Instead, they’ve swallowed the government’s line that “the science” is clear and unquestioned, and that the prospects, should we fail to “follow” the science, are apocalyptic.

Both are highly disputable. Science is divided. The most apocalyptic, however, are getting the loudest shout. Neither on how, nor where, nor when the virus spreads most virulently is there consensus among epidemiologists; and even if that consensus existed, broadcasters and journalists would still have a duty to remind politicians and the public that combating an illness should not elbow from national attention the equally honourable goal of saving livelihoods as well as lives.

Worth reading in full.

Unfortunately, Parris neglects to mention Ofcom’s “coronavirus guidance” – published on March 23rd, the same day the full lockdown was imposed – cautioning the BBC and its other licensees to treat with extreme caution anyone criticising the advice of the “public health authorities”, i.e. the NHS, the DHSC, PHE, Witless and Unbalanced and the Government more generally. I don’t think this is the major cause of the BBC’s dereliction of duty, but it was one factor among the others – laziness, innumeracy, group think and a deeply misguided belief that it was their public duty to amplify Downing Street’s scaremongering in order to frighten people into observing the rules because that would save lives.

I don’t need to remind readers of Lockdown Sceptics that the Free Speech Union is seeking the permission of the High Court to Judicially Review Ofcom’s “coronavirus guidance” in the hope of having it declared an unlawful interference in free speech. You can donate to the FSU’s “fighting fund” here.

Stop Press: Charles Moore has ruled himself out of running for the role of BBC Chairman for personal reasons. Shame.

Lord Gumption Says Boris is Behaving Like an Authoritarian Dictator

An original work created by artist and Lockdown Sceptics reader Galina Gardiner

Jonathan Sumption wrote a blistering attack on Boris and his ‘strongman’ Government in the Telegraph yesterday.

Behind the spat about Parliamentary control over the Government’s Covid measures, there is an older and more fundamental divide. It is the divide between an authoritarian model of government and a more deliberative and democratic model.

The authoritarians believe in the “strongman”: the boss who gets things done with the aid of a team of technicians, who surmounts crises by intervening swiftly and decisively, without wasting time in argument or debate. The alternative, according to this view of the world, is a bunch of squabbling politicians picking over the entrails while the sand runs through the hourglass.

There has always been a strand of political masochism in Britain which likes this idea: the sort of people who admire dictators because they make the trains run on time. From time to time there is a more widespread move towards authoritarian government. We are experiencing one of those times now.

Worth reading in full.

Grant Shapps Gets His Sums Wrong

A sharp-eyed reader has spotted a mathematical error in Grant Shapps’s attempt to defend sticking Poland on the quarantine list.

I don’t know whether you picked up on Grant Shapps claiming that Poland had to be put back on the quarantine list because their “test positivity has nearly doubled, increasing from 3.9% to 5.8%”. That is, of course, an increase of only 50%, not 100%.

I believe that Mr Shapps, who was formerly the Chairman of the APPG for General Aviation, still holds a Pilot’s Licence. Let’s hope his navigational skills are as good as his maths and the next time he goes for a flight he gets lost and we never have to see him again. If he could take Mad Boris and Nanny Hancock with him, so much the better!

BBC Reality Check Loses Touch With Reality

There’s a snarky piece about Julia Hartley-Brewer under the BBC’s “Reality Check” banner claiming she got her facts wrong about the False Positive Rate. In fact, the BBC journalists who’ve written the hatchet job – Simon Maybin and Josephine Casserly – are the ones who’ve got their facts wrong.

Julia’s sin was to claim that nine out of 10 “cases” could be false positives. The journalists say that is categorically untrue.

Could it be true that 90% of positive results from tests in the community – that means tests not carried out in hospitals – are false? The answer is “no” – there is no way that so-called false positives have had such an impact on the figures.

Actually, there is a way “so-called false positives” could have had that impact. Suppose the true community case rate is eight in 10,000. If the false positive rate is 0.8% – as estimated by this paper submitted to SAGE – then if you test 10,000 people, you’ll get 88 positive results, of which 80 are false positives and eight are true positives. Perhaps the true community case rate is now slightly higher than eight in 10,000 – the latest ONS infection study puts it at 21 in 10,000 – but even so there is certainly a plausible scenario in which 90% of the positive results from tests in the community are false.

The extraordinary thing is that these reality-checking sleuths then go on to admit this.

If you tested 1,000 people at random for COVID-19 in early September, for example, data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) infection study suggests you should have expected one of them to actually have the virus.

With a false positive rate of 0.8% – a figure used by Ms Hartley-Brewer and within the broad range of what we think might be the actual rate for community testing – you would get eight false positives. So in that context, it’s true that roughly 90% of positives would be false.

But having admitted that there is a scenario in which 90% of positives could be false, they then go on to say that it’s no longer plausible because the people volunteering for community testing, as opposed to the people being sampled at random by the ONS, are much more likely to have the virus – the same point made by Tom Chivers in UnHerd and which James Ferguson comprehensively rebutted on Lockdown Sceptics.

Here’s what the reality checkers think is their killer point:

Figures for late September from Public Health England show that 7% of community tests were positive. That means if 1,000 people were tested with a false positive rate of 0.8%, eight would be false positives, but 70 would be true positives – the vast majority.

But hang on. They’re assuming that PHE’s 7% positive rate doesn’t include any false positives – hence their claim that if you test 1,000 people 70 would be true positives. But given that they’ve accepted there’s a false positive rate of 0.8%, it’s more likely that PHE is counting the false positives alongside the true positives when estimating the current rate of infection. That means that of the 70 people who test positive, eight are false positives, leaving 62 true positives.

Come on, reality checkers. If you’re going to chastise another journalist for not getting her facts right – even though she did – you need to get the facts straight yourself.

Stop Press: There’s an excellent letter in the Lancet by three doctors raising the alarm about false positives. I look forward to the BBC’s reality checkers doing a number on them.

Teeth Deteriorate as Dentists Struggle to Reopen

The lockdown has caused a backlog of 15 million dental appointments, leaving many patients suffering badly. The Sunday Times has more.

Patients may have to wait until next year for dental treatment because 15 million appointments have been delayed by the coronavirus.

With restrictions still in place, some dentists can see only emergency cases and are not doing routine checkups. Many are carrying out only serious procedures on patients whose teeth have deteriorated from problems “stored up” for months during the lockdown.

“I’ve taken more teeth out from the average patient in the past three months than at any point in my career,” said Mark Green, 49, a dentist in Whitby, North Yorkshire, who has been treating patients for 22 years.

“It’s like going back in time. I saw someone the other day in his twenties who needs 12 teeth out. I’ve removed those that are [causing] the most pain and then we’re going to try and get him in again [for another appointment].”

Though surgeries were able to reopen in June, strict infection-control measures imposed by Public Health England (PHE) mean many dentists can see only a few patients a day. Before the pandemic they would see about 30 a day.

Worth reading in full.

Are Some Muslim Deaths Being Falsely Attributed to Coronavirus?

A reader has an interesting theory about why a higher percentage of Muslims have supposedly died of Covid than non-Muslims.

I was speaking with a work colleague who is a Muslim this week and he was telling me about his 85-year-old neighbour who died. His neighbour had congestive heart disease and wasn’t a well man. He caught a cold and thus had to have a COVID-19 test which came back negative. A few weeks later the man died, but the Doctor wanted to perform an autopsy which would take weeks. As per the Muslim faith, his family weren’t happy with this as the burial needs to occur within 24 hours, so the Doctor put COVID-19 on the death certificate so that the man could be buried without his having to do an autopsy even though he had not tested positive.

Now I remember looking back at the COVID-19 deaths by Religious group from the ONS and the COVID-19 deaths for Muslims was significantly higher than any other based on population percentage.

So, could this need for quick burial as required by the Muslim faith, and thus COVID-19 being put down as a cause of death, be an influencing factor into why BAME COVID-19 deaths are considered to be so high?

Sixty-Six GPs Urge Hancock to Do No (More) Harm

We’ve seen a number of anti-lockdown letters signed by doctors and medical professionals, such as this one in the US and this one in Belgium. But as far as I’m aware we haven’t seen one in the UK – until now, that is. Sixty-six GPs have written to Matt Hancock urging him to consider the collateral damage being done by the ongoing restrictions, listing the tens of thousands of non-Covid excess deaths in private homes since March, the spike in cardiovascular deaths, the rise in child suicides and the problems besetting the elderly – depression, anxiety and loneliness. It’s not as forthrightly sceptical as I’d like – the docs say they supported the first lockdown –  but the reasonableness of its tone may end making it more effective. And the message is clear: the harm the restrictions are doing to the public’s health outweighs the harm they are supposedly preventing. full text of the letter below.

And Now For the Less Admirable GPs…

A reader was prompted by a recent GP horror story on Lockdown Sceptics to provide an anecdote of her own.

My GP surgery is based in a North Wales coastal town. A pharmacy is adjacent to it. I called in to collect a prescription but noticed a queue of six rather dispirited – young and old – people waiting outside the surgery. It was raining, cold and windy. The surgery insists that you don’t turn up for your appointment nowadays until exactly the appointed time. Well, shame on these people for being too punctual. The surgery has two large waiting areas where they could wait seated probably 12 feet apart with no problems whatsoever.

Whilst I was in the pharmacy a member of surgery staff came in, I asked why these poor people were waiting outside in these conditions. She said: “That’s the way it has to be at the moment.” I asked what was going to happen in the winter. Her reply: “They’ll have to get better clothing.” Then she returned to the surgery, and presumably remained snug and dry in her little office.

Disgraceful.

Tory Constituencies Are Being Spared Second Lockdowns

I wonder what genius thought up this wheeze?

The Sunday Times says that leaked emails between health officials reveal that Tory areas, such as the newly-won Red Wall seats, are less likely to have second lockdowns inflicted on them than Labour areas.

Wealthy areas, including the chancellor Rishi Sunak’s parliamentary seat, are avoiding lockdown despite having higher COVID-19 rates than poorer areas that are subject to restrictions, according to leaked emails between health officials.

The Government is under growing pressure to explain why it has placed large parts of the north and Midlands under local lockdowns while overlooking areas with similar infection rates. Asked why the northwest is “treated differently” from areas such as his own seat of Uxbridge and South Ruislip in west London, Boris Johnson said on Friday: “I appreciate… people want to see an iron consistency applied across the whole country.”

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, decides which areas to place in lockdown during weekly “gold” meetings with advisers. Yesterday, 50 councils were subject to measures such as bans on household mixing. However, there is no official COVID-19 infection rate that triggers a local lockdown.

The Sunday Times has put together a list that illustrates the scandal:

  • NO LOCKDOWN
  • West Lancashire 137 cases per 100,000
  • Barrow-in-Furness 112
  • Darlington 110
  • Craven 109
  • Newark and Sherwood 84
  • IN LOCKDOWN
  • Chorley 73 cases per 100,000
  • Wyre 71
  • Lancaster 66
  • Oadby and Wigston 63
  • Wolverhampton 56

Worth reading in full.

Round-Up

  • “Confusion reigns over the state of President Trump’s health after contracting coronavirus” – The Telegraph says Trump was given oxygen on Friday because, according to a White House staffer, his vitals were “very concerning”
  • “Where’s the opposition?” – William Clouston, the leader of the SDP, asks where the political opposition is to the disastrous “stop-go” lockdown
  • “Northern Lockdown Might Get Tougher” – The Mail reports that the revelation that 770 students have tested positive at a university in Newcastle may mean harsher measures are imposed, even though 692 of them are asymptomatic
  • “MSNBC’s Joy Reid sparks fury by suggesting Trump is faking his COVID diagnosis” – A new conspiracy theory about Covid takes root, but don’t expect this one to be banned by YouTube
  • “Why I’m shorting search for coronavirus cure” – Latest from Barry Norris, the fund manager and vaccine sceptic
  • “The case for lockdowns is littered with dangerous logical fallacies” – Janet Daley in the Telegraph is as robustly sceptical as ever
  • “Establish a peoples scientific and medical panel” – New petition calling for a new scientific and medical panel to be elected by the British people to scrutinise the scientific and medical advice being given to the Government
  • “Government versus the people?” – Staunchly libertarian piece in the Salisbury Review by Dr Niall McCrae who was at the anti-lockdown demo in Westminster that was shut down by the riot police
  • “More proportion and balance is needed in the Covid debate” – Sensible piece in Bournbrook by James Black
  • “Covid, lockdown and the economics of valuing lives” – Good piece in the Spectator by Simon Wood arguing that the cost of the lockdown in terms of Quality-Adjusted Life Years is far greater than the lives it has saved, even if you take the Government’s most generous, self-congratulatory estimate
  • “Leicester no longer in England’s top 50 areas for coronavirus infections” – The Leicester Mercury breaks the good news
  • “Authorities are using COVID-19 as a smokescreen to stifle the legitimate right to protest” – Good article by Marco Peronlini in euronews
  • “COVID-19 tears through mink population in Denmark: Up to 1 million to be culled as human transmission panic grows” – Alarming story out of Denmark
  • “Are the conspiracy cranks a little bit right?” – Interesting piece by Gavin Haynes in UnHerd
  • “COVID-19’s Crushing Impact On International Tourism” – Chart by Statista showing tourism is down by -65% across the world if you compare June 2020 with June 2019
  • “This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic” – A long article in the Atlantic says it’s not the R number that’s the key to how the virus spreads, but another variable called K
  • “Ensuring Uptake of Vaccines against SARS-CoV-2” – Alarming piece in the New England Journal of Medicine. Dr Mike Yeadon says it is a severe assault on the rights of individuals to consent, or not, to what are essentially experimental medical interventions
  • “Crimes Against Humanity” – Sceptical German lawyer Dr Reiner Fuellmich is planning to sue the WHO for Covid fraud, which he describes as “the greatest crime against humanity ever committed”
  • “Cinema giant Cineworld to shut after 007 fiasco” – Cineworld is shuttering its 128 theatres in the UK after the news that the release date of the new Bond film has been pushed back to next year
  • “Police to get £30m to help enforce new coronavirus regulations” – The Telegraph reveals the Government is planning to make £60 million available to police and local authorities so they can do more to ensure the Covid rules are being observed

Love in the Time of Covid

Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell in The Americans. Credit: Jeffrey Neira/FX

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the links now come up beside the headlines whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, I want to draw your attention to an excellent piece in UnHerd by Helen Pluckrose entitled “Is Critical Race Theory Racist?” Helen is the co-author of Cynical Theories with James Lyndsay, an excellent primer on the woke cult. The whole piece is worth reading, but here’s an extract in which she discusses the ideas of Robin DiAngelo, author of the bestselling White Fragility.

Robin DiAngelo takes a thoroughly postmodern approach. Her belief is that white people are unavoidably racist because of the ways in which they have been socialised in white supremacist countries. DiAngelo identifies America as just such a country but also much of Europe, including the UK.

For DiAngelo, “whiteness” is a system that whites perpetuate with everything they do. In White Fragility, she describes whiteness as a “constellation of processes and practices” consisting of “basic rights, values, beliefs, perspectives and experiences purported to be commonly shared by all but which are actually only consistently afforded to white people”. For DiAngelo these processes are “dynamic, relational, and operating at all times and on myriad levels”.

Elsewhere, she sets out a tenet of anti-racism, stating that “The question is not ‘Did racism occur?’ but ‘How did racism manifest in that situation?’” There is no possibility of not being racist and DiAngelo’s training aims to get white people to accept that they are racist — as the Trump memo claims.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: A reader with a Down Syndrome child had a bad experience when visiting the audiologists.

On Thursday my 15 year-old daughter had her long-awaited audiology appointment. She has Down Syndrome and the fact that all the faces are covered is deeply distressing to her – so she was quite stressed by the time we got to the waiting area. Passing through the main entrance we were greeted by a young man who detected our un-masked status (I was wearing my lanyard with the mask-exempt card). He helpfully dipped his hand into a box and extended his hand with two masks, saying, “Can I give you these?” I’m polite, I took them, and thanked him, as my daughter looked from my lanyard to my face with a puzzled expression. I put the masks in my bag. As we walked to the right department, I began to wonder whether the lunacy has extended to the audiologists – they who know that facial expressions as well as lip-reading are vital cues for those of us who are hard of hearing. It had. At least the loudspeaker which was used for one part of the test wasn’t muzzled!

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Danielle Matthews, aka the Bin Singer, has written a song about being stuck in Melbourne that’s worth a watch. Some of her complaints will resonate with people still locked down in other parts of the world.

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago

Oh no. I don’t believe it.

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago
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Number 4.

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago
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The husband of a friend suffered a stroke at home. An ambulance was called and the husband was put into it. He was lucid at the time. His wife was refused permission to travel to the hospital with him. She was also refused permission to visit him in hospital. Whilst in hospital he suffered a bigger stroke. She was again refused permission to visit him. After two weeks he was moved to another hospital. His wife was refused permission to visit. The hospital did offer to have a phone next to him so that she could talk to him even though he was, by this time, comatose. After another two weeks the hospital relented and said she could visit him but she would only be allowed to by being two metres from the bed, wearing a mask, a visor, gloves and a disposable apron. She couldn’t touch him, comfort him or do anything to ease his condition. No one knew if he could hear anything so she would have to shout at him from two metres away and hope he could hear. After four weeks he has died, alone, apart from a nurse with him right at the end. NHS?… Read more »

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

If a private hospital did that, they would know that at the very minimum they would lose one family as customers. They would also be aware that if the story gets out, they would lose a lot more customers. But the NHS doesn’t have to worry about that. Whether a patient lives or dies, whether they are treated like a human being or like a piece of furniture, none of it matters. The government will still force you to pay the NHS. There are no consequences for the NHS. There is no incentive to do better. That is why the NHS is flawed from the start.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The full story of what happened in the death camps is yet to emerge

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
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death camps

Yes sadly that is what NHS turned into

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
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It will make grim reading. The top management and some others in the NHS have behaved abominably and following government orders will of course be no excuse.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
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I think ultimately it is because the NHS staff see the public as supplicants rather than customers who are deserving in their own right.
The Bismarkian Social Insurance model which most countries bar US & UK have adopted a variation of allows for this:
GPs are not gatekeepers.
If you aren’t happy you can see another specialist or GP at your choice.
You can go straight to a specialist.
You only have to look at how the NHS has performed in comparison to realise how woeful it is as a system.

One system came up with: a)Liverpool Care Pathway.
b)Staffordshire Elderly Feeding Plan.
c) Cumbrian Neonatal Plan
d)Covid Care Home Transfer Plan.
Its not a bloody coincidence!!!

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
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I think it’s because too many working in the NHS are thinking of themselves and not the patients. The patients are a threat to them so must be kept at a distance as much as possible.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
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Bullshit constantly disproven free-market wishing. It’s nothing to do with the essential nature of the NHS – it’s to do with the political control of it – which happens to be from the far at the moment.

I’ve been in a private hospital during this shit-show – and it’s exactly the same.And it’s been even worse in NY.

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Felice
Felice
5 years ago
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Why all the down votes?
I would suspect that the reason that private hospitals are no different to NHS ones is the insurance aspect, which means that private hospitals have absolutely no wriggle room and have to behave like the NHS even if they did not want to.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
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NY state accounts for 1/2 of US deaths after Cuomo ordered decanting of Covid positive patients from hospitals into care homes.
He is now trying to deny it, but too many people have a copy of his orders
All the Democrat run states have worse death rates than republican ones.
Funny that.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
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DoJ on the case since August, waiting on an update:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-requesting-data-governors-states-issued-covid-19-orders-may-have-resulted

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
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The downvotes are for believing that the US health system has anything in common with a free market system.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
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The blame lies with those medics who have some power and authority but failed to insist that long-established safe medical protocols were allowed to continue, rather than this inhumane and counter-productive nonsense.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
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It’s not just the politicians in charge. It’s those working in the NHS, and as I’ve just said above, they’re more worried about themselves than patients. That’s not all staff, obviously, but I’ve worked alongside too many whose last concern was the treatment of patients, and greatest concern was their career or personal life.
Even before CV19, there were plenty of admin staff who were borderline hostile to patients. This slide has given them carte blanche to virtually close shop.
Are you familiar with the “Yes Minister” episode about a hospital that had won lots of awards for its efficiency, etc, but hadn’t opened to patients because they just get in the way?? What’s going on is nothing new.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

If you think that the health system in the US has anything to do with a free market, you are incredibly deluded. There are huge levels of control placed on the US health system. Programs like Medicaid and Medicare remove any interest the patients would have to look for a better deal. The individual practices have no need for competition, because they get their bills paid regardless.
Just go look up why the price of insulin is so high in the US. Socialists would have you believe it’s because of the free market. In reality, the price of insulin is so high the US because the government not only awarded exclusive manufacturing rights to a few companies, but they blocked any and all imports of insulin, as well as blocking imports and manufacturing of insulin alternatives. In other words, through government policy (which is anathema to the free market), a couple of companies get exclusive rights to set whatever price they want on insulin, without any competition.
You are being lied to. The US is no longer a capitalist country. The US health system is anything but capitalist.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

What puzzles me is, where is the empathy? Would they like members of their families treated the same?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  David Grimbleby

Maybe the staff has become desensitized from losing so many patients. Maybe they never cared to begin with. But there are studies showing that when people are following orders from what they perceive to be an authoritative figure, they usually throw morals out the door, especially when they’re told that if anything goes wrong, it’s not their responsibility. See the Milgram experiment for more on this.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  David Grimbleby

Sociopaths are everywhere. I’d like to know how many are in public office.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Murdering, vicious, sadistic bastards.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Yes indeed, this is about murder and treason against the British people by its own government. Those responsible have to be accountable and face trial for their horrendous crimes.

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Girl down Under
Girl down Under
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

This is beyond evil, heartbroken for your friends. I just read your story to my husband who is quite religious and he said, effing c’s. And he doesn’t usually swear.

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Fed up
Fed up
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Another war crime

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Richard
Richard
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Heard a similar story from my parents yesterday – how many couples or parents or children every day are having to make that decision to get into ambulance say goodbye and never know if they will see each other again. The medical “profession” should hang its head in shame. Once the truth is really out there I don’t think they will ever recover their reputations. They know what’s happening and what we have 60 have finally decided to speak out. Pathetic

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Very sorry to hear what happened to your friend. Social distancing is a crime against humanity and this illustrates why.

This incident should be circulated more widely as well as to wake people up and realise that what they were clapping for is essentially a No Help Service and has transmogrified into the National Covid Service.

Bastards the lot of them!

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

There is something I find utterly disgusting. One justification for lockdown was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. The country had to suffer a lockdown to help the NHS but the NHS shut down and people were denied access to medical care and relatives couldn’t see people in hospital. Imagine if a law was passed making it illegal to cook at home due to fire risk but the fire brigade stopped attending fires. We pay taxes for the NHS. What is the point of paying taxes if we don’t get anything in return. Could someone explain why we were expected to clap for an NHS which shut down. There should be legal action against the NHS.

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L835
L835
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

We were asked to clap for people who were doing the job they wanted to, and were being paid for…

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  L835

We were asked to clap for an organisation that was largely closed to anyone who didn’t have CV19. It smacked of communist-style propaganda even then.

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Tony Prince
Tony Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  L835

But they weren’t doing it, and were getting paid…..

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

I didn’t clap once, but I have several friends who were working incredibly hard on busy wards for the NHS. One got coronavirus and was wiped out for weeks. I dislike the government’s rules and I think some senior NHS people have been spineless, but let’s not turn this against all workers “on the ground”.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

What I find strange is whilst a percentage of the NHS staff did work hard during the lockdown – a very large percentage was either deliberately under occupied or put on temporary leave due to orders from above. But we are expected to praise the organisation as a whole and countless businesses are giving NHS staff discounts and freebies when in fact Nursing Home Staff and Carers are far more worthy of the handouts than those in departments which abandoned their patients for months.

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

If we are in the middle of a pandemic why were staff placed on leave and hospitals set up to deal with Covid patients have been empty.

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

I was not attacking workers on the ground. I was attacking the higher ups who decided that the entire NHS was shut down to treat only Covid patients.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

I didn’t clap and think depriving people of the chance to comfort their loved ones is unforgivable. However, I was recently an outpatient at the local hospital and could not have been treated more kindly. They accepted my mask exemption without question and allowed my friend in the waiting room with me as I’m disabled and was anxious. The consultant herself took me back to my friend.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

That’s just utterly heartbreaking. We don’t yet know the half of it, but when we do, when the majority public realise it was NOT about “saving the NHS” that they blindly clapped for every Thursday, when they realise the extent of the killing fields in care homes and hospitals of people unable to have any contact with family, of all the people who lost their lives during this “crisis” due to lack of medical care, it will tragically be too late. Will they then finally wake up?

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p02099003
p02099003
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

When I became a nurse 14 years ago I was not signing up for this type of barbarism. The actions of the hospital are reprehensible, what harm could have resulted in the lady seeing her husband without the PPE and being able to hold him? He was dying, the clinical staff knew that, it wasn’t as if he was going to contract a viral infection. This was cruelty of the highest order. I do have to question myself as to whether I would have let her see and touch her husband, I hope that I would have the courage to say yes to her and tell the hospital where to jump.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

P02099003: It’s the same logic where they won’t start chemotherapy for cancer after an operation until the surgical wound has healed in case they get an infection, because the immune system will be reduced, and the metastases continue to grow and kill the person because they didn’t get chemo in time….

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Please send that story to Toby.

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Felice
Felice
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Really really sad. I remember, years ago, when my own father had a minor stroke followed by a major one, we were all allowed to be by his bedside. That was bad enough. I can’t imagine trying to grieve in these circumstances. The anger would get in the way too much.

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Felice
Felice
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

I’m wondering if this is a local decision. My 96 year old mother suffered a heart attack back in July and we were allowed to visit at the John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford. Only 2 (not sure if this was per visit, or only 2 ever) visitors allowed, but that was humane. Also wondering if it is the same now.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Our friend’s wife was not allowed to visit him in hospital when he was treated for bronchitis back in early May. He died in hospital from CV19 (we assume, because he tested positive) without his wife having been allowed to visit him for two weeks.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

I won’t be letting either of us go into hospital. We’ll die at home in our own beds. I want nothing to do with the NHS.

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Sent this to my MP with the comment ‘thought you’d like to know what you are supporting’.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

love the t shirt.. from where?

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Anders Tegnell on Neil Ferguson: “…rubbish in…rubbish out”. Ferguson model under big pressure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwn6f-WLTI
youtube watch?v=xWwn6f-WLTI

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

The dictator panicked? Who knew?

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Umm?

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I don’t actually hold that against him per se. It was an unknown virus, he was taken in by Ferguson’s doomsday model and panicked.

Now though there is no excuse to continue with the course of action he embarked upon.

There is enough evidence out there to stop this train before it really smacks into the buffers. Instead he appears to still be in panic mode for reasons that elude me and countless others especially on here.

Maybe he has been ‘got at’. I doubt we’ll ever know.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

If he or any if the cretinous mob had spent five minutes looking into Ferguson’s previous convictions, they’d have known where to stick his. ‘predictions’.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Boris is work shy and with little management experience or ability and so he was only to happy to pass this on to the scary megalomaniac team of Witty/Valance/Hancock. In his ‘Have I got news for you’ days we would probably have been the first to lampoon this horror movie trio but he just ducked out of doing any actual work and left it to them with dire consequences.
The weird thing about this hoo-haa is how I am now following, reading and listening to people like Peter Hitchens and Julia HB when previously I would have thought they were not on my wavelength.If anything this has shown some people in their true colours.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Agree regarding Mr H. I wouldn’t have gone near him last year. Now I think he is a hero!

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I have found myself agreeing with many people that I would never have considered “bedfellows “ before.

War makes allies of previous enemies eh?

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

I had never listened to talk radio before in my life until this year,there isn’t a day goes by now when they don’t have a sceptical interview on .They have thousands of listeners and i can’t think of a better way to get our message across.

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H K
H K
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I’ve been liking Peter Hitchens since the Brexit referendum, but certainly the Corona virus situation has really exposed people for who they really are (media, MP’s, police, NHS etc etc), and some everyday heroes/leaders who are fighting against this narrative

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Fed up
Fed up
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

There is such a thing as due diligence. And checking past performance is a minimum requirement

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dpj
dpj
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

It would appear that he had the choice of going with Ferguson’s model or listening to Michael Levitt and he decided to go with the model. That situation happens at my work all the time, there are people who always make a mess of things and others who are usually right and management regularly listen to people in the first of these categories because they tell them what they want to hear with no basis in fact and result is always predictable. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them for constantly repeating same mistake so I struggle to defend Boris for doing the same and deciding a serial incompetent was person to listen to.

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

There were more than those choices. If Johnson had two neurons to rub together he could have cobbled together some penetrating questions himself. For example, a SAGE document from 2 March shows quite clearly that they were well aware of the extreme age skew in the impact of the virus. This alone should have been enough to prompt questioning as to the wisdom of a policy of locking down the entire population including young and working age people at minimum risk.

People should stop making excuses for Boris and his cabinet. There was ample information available at the time to reject out of hand Ferguson’s ludicrous recommendations.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Exactly. And someone posted on here a day or so ago that Johnson has had a recent meeting with Prof Sunetra Gupta but is refusing to follow her advice. MW

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dpj
dpj
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

Yes, I was just using one example but I’m sure there are lots of other examples that just make him look even more incompetent. Both Gupta & Heneghan were apparently invited to recent SAGE call and ignored as well for example.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

It’s less excuses, and more ammunition and we-told-you-so.

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Antonedes
Antonedes
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

I sympathise, but a Prime Minister will rely on the appointed government experts, namely, Whitty and Vallance. It is their job to analyse and filter the advice and make a recommendation. It seems they have been either negligent or incompetent, in either case they should be sacked.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Antonedes

Too kind. Negligent or incompetent or malicious or ‘something else’.

If we can’t analyse problems in full, we’re no better than them.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

We don’t have all the information regarding “something else.” We’re mostly guessing on that.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

For sure. Even more reason we should not limit our analysis to just two possibilities though.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Exactly. BTW, is Ann still the ‘pseudonym’ of Annie? MW

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

I believe so. 🙂

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Thanks, confirmed by ‘Ann’s’ horrible experience in church today, reported below. MW

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

Yes, it’s me. No idea where my ie went!

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Thanks, Annie. We’re probably all used to the New You by now but, if you want to, I think you can restore the ‘Old Normal’ by logging out, logging back in with your email address and re-setting your profile. Something similar happened to me on Off-Guardian where, instead of losing letters, I required a few extras and ended up as Miriamwxyz or similar. Eventually I worked it out! (AG says it’s an automatic guillotine imposed by SPI-B 😉 Only the elect are targeted for Handle-Corruption.) MW

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

What about it was unknown? It’s a coronavirus. There was information back in March that showed the age demographics, there were studies from other countries and the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

On the 19th of March the government downgraded coronavirus to a non dangerous disease which means the government must have known about the virus to make that statement. There are two critical areas I would like to address

* What knowledge did the government have about how coronavirus spreads as to justify lockdowns. A FOI request to NHS England couldn’t answer this question.

* Healthy asymptomatic people were placed under quarantine. What evidence was there to support asymptomatic transmission?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

China had said there was no evidence to support the asymptomatic transmission hypothesis. Yet the entire UK strategy has been based on that false premiss.

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ianric
ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

To the best of my knowledge asymptomatic transmission has not been considered to exist in other respiratory diseases. What is striking about coronavirus is that no distinction is made between sick people with symptoms and healthy people with no symptoms. Both are regarded as equally infectious. On the comments I have raised this issue which I have received good responses. Regarding everyone as possibly infected has been at the root of the disaster we face. Lockdown laws apply to the whole population which has crippled our economy and society. For instance, under lockdown rules the entire population can’t do basic things like have visitors in their homes. Everyone has to wear masks. Businesses have to close or endure damaging regulations on the assumption any of their customers can be infected. Many of the public regard healthy symptom free people as infected. In view of the above, assessing whether asymptomatic transmission exists is very important but surprisingly lockdown opponents have not dealt with this issue to my knowledge. As far as I can recall Toby has not dealt with this issue. Simon Dolan never addressed this issue in his legal challenge. The legal challenge by Simon Dolan argued lockdowns were a… Read more »

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Exactly. People who persist with the “so much was unknown” line were simply unaware themselves of the large quantity of data already available in February and early March. Government decision-makers most certainly were aware of this data.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Exactly. Sweden demonstrated within a couple of weeks that Ferguson’s modelling was up to his usual standard, utter horse shit. As soon as that was clear, every other country should have followed Sweden’s lead and opened up from lockdown as soon as possible to mitigate the appalling collateral damage. Sensible countries like Denmark, Germany, Austria and Switzerland did precisely that and have got closer to herd immunity, thereby mitigating any second wave.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

I theorized that it’s possible that Boris could have suffered from mild brain damage as a result of the severe CV19 illness that he had. We know that in some people, what kills them is the blood clotting, i.e. tiny blood clots blocking blood supply to various organs. That would include the brain. It wouldn’t be enough to cause a stroke or similar, but could potentially cause a change in personality.

My brother-in-law had something similar, ie reduced blood supply and oxygen to his brain, and it caused a noticeable change in personality, which is what my sister noticed and kept telling the GP. The GP just treated him for depression, ignoring my sister, but the symptoms, including depression, had a physical cause. Luckily we know a consultant neurologist, and she managed to get my BIL treated privately.

The point being that it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that something like this has happened to Boris..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

Balderdash! He’s “fitter than several butcher’s dogs.”
He is, however, a bone idle skiver, booze artist and well-practised liar.

Besides, what turned Whitless into a barefaced liar and Wankock into the ultimate wannabe Hitler?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Given Ferguson’s previous track record, there’s absolutely no excuse for hiring him, let alone being “taken in” by his predictive bollox.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Merkel, Macron, Sanchez …leaders worldwide panicked?

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VeryLittleHelps
VeryLittleHelps
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

Apparantly neighbouring countries just copied each other, but there were certainly a number of guiding hands (WHO, WEF, UN, B&MGF etc).
When this is over we need an inquiry into both our governments actions and the role played by these NGO’s.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  VeryLittleHelps

Things are progressing apace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ

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JulieR
JulieR
5 years ago
Reply to  VeryLittleHelps

The problem is they don’t want it to be over.
The Germans have started their inquiry.
Simon Dolan wants a judicial review here.

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Silke david
Silke david
5 years ago
Reply to  JulieR

As far as u know there is no offial inquiry? Only the Doctors fuer Aufklarung and their private inquiry..

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  VeryLittleHelps

Yes, I agree

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

Yep, all known to be nervy folk. It’s common among worldwide leaders – nervy panickers. Totally. Panic. Panic.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Bollocks. Bollocks.

Occam’s razor suggests they were (and are still) simply following the same script.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

And Macron is documented as having threatened to shut the border if we didn’t lock down. Yet another person Johnson can chuck under the bus…

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Should have let him follow through on that. It works both ways, and we might not have hundreds of illegal migrants turn up daily on our shores….

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

He did not panic. This narrative lets him off the hook.

He made a political decision, and in narrow tactical terms it was a jolly clever decision. Labour and the media were demanding lockdown, and salivating over deaths which could be used to push the ‘heartless Tories’ line. By doing as they told him, he trapped them all into permanent support for his regime. Starmer is Johnson’s gimp, able to whine only about the minutiae of implementation. The media is Johnson’s mouthpiece, because they dare not criticise the policy they demanded. They are all now desperately looking to the regime to get them off the hook.

No, Johnson did not panic. He made a political decision; Ferguson gave him a fig leaf. The idea that no one thought to question a highly contentious bullshit model at a time when there were known to be different scientific views is not credible. Ferguson was heard because what he said fitted the decision that had already been made. Note that Cummings was pushing lockdown inside SAGE meetings long before the rest fell into line.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Is Boris really that clever?

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

No, but Cummings is!

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Caroline, we have a psychic link!

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

I don’t think Cummings is clever. He thinks he is; but that’s another matter. And people who think they’re clever but aren’t are dangerous if given responsibility.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

And so is Starmer. Whatever Labour is up to, I do not believe Sir ‘Trilateral Commission’ Starmer is Johnson’s gimp. He is as signed up as anyone to the bigger picture. If Johnson and co get thrown to the wolves, expect Sir Keir to step up. MW

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

The position of Starmer is clear. Forget your personal views on Corbyn for a while (they’re not relevant to the argument), step back, and look at the history.

Corbyn was subjected to an unprecedented propaganda campaign, full of distortion and untruth. Many honest observers, whatever their personal predilections, have noted this pretty obvious fact.

Notably, the campaign involved two ex-heads of MI6 being used to channel smears (a clear indication of establishment propaganda at work). The Groan was particularly active in confecting stories.

Greasy finger-prints everywhere.

Inevitably, Corbyn goes after the election.

Who is there, falling over himself to align with the establishment agenda, with an extremely flattering and forgetful media?

Yes – your previously identified unradical shill, previously well-embedded in the establishment culture

It’s not difficult to join up the dots if you observed the process.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

It’s not difficult to join up the dots if you observed the process. Yes, Rick, we agree with your succinct and excellent analysis 100%. MW and AG

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

The BBC / press have memory holed Starmers previous performance as DPP.
Remember the DPP who presided over the twitter joke trial where Paul Chambers was jailed for a tweet about delayed flights

Yes that f****** Starmer.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

This is also Starmer at his finest, fast-tracking the extradition of Julian Assange:

As DPP, Sir Keir Starmer tempered his supposed love of liberty by fast-tracking the extradition of Julian Assange (a process now making its way through the courts). He flouted legal precedents by advising Swedish lawyers not to question Assange in Britain: a decision that prolonged the latter’s legal purgatory, denied closure to his accusers in Sweden, and sealed his fate before a US show trial. Leaked emails from August 2012 show that, when the Swedish legal team expressed hesitancy about keeping Assange’s case open, Sir Keir’s office replied: ‘Don’t you dare get cold feet’.

https://labourheartlands.com/exclusive-ken-loach-calls-out-sir-keir-starmer-what-was-his-dealings-in-the-julian-assange-case/ and otherwise widely reported.

He also let Dame Dick off for the police’s ‘mistaken’ killing of Jean-Charles de Menezez in 2008:

Keir Starmer QC, Director of Public Prosecutions, approved a decision not to prosecute any police over the shooting.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-of-jean-charles-de-menezes-1009708 also widely reported at the time. MW

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

“Corbyn was subjected to an unprecedented propaganda campaign, full of distortion and untruth. ”

And plenty of truth. The Marxists in Labour made it unelectable. It was the younger generation who had no idea of Corbyn’s past history who needed to be told, and everyone else reminded.

If you want an unprecedented propaganda campaign, look no further than the Russia Collusion campaign carried out on the other side of the pond.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I very much agree.

The stupid part however is that nobody appeared to have worked out an exit plan. Such blatant political short termism.

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Fed up
Fed up
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Refuse to accept that going into lockdown was a sophisticated political move. The events post LD show that at no point did they have a credible end game/exit strategy. If it wasn’t panic because of the Ferguson model, it was nonetheless an ill thought out plan borne out of short termism.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Fed up

If the aim was narrowly political, lockdown has worked and worked as a fairly long term strategy. Instead of a politically dangerous ‘heartless Tories’ line gaining traction, Labour and the media are in captivity to the regime, have been since March, and still have no wriggle room. Yes, the country is screwed, but in a context in which it was assumed all other governments were folding too, that makes no odds politically.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Fed up

I love it that people expect an end game/exit strategy. Nice intelligent people, but not nearly cynical enough.

It was a coup, and the current situation is their desired outcome.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I agree. They’ve had plenty of opportunities to claim victory and unlock the economy.
Instead, they have “ramped up” testing to create an epidemic of fake infections to justify stalling until they can mandate the “health passport” which is their goal.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Trash the economy and kill thousand as collateral damage just to get at Labour and the media? That’s just as bad as panicking.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

But the only ambition they have is preservation of political power. So it makes sense: easy way to neutralise any opposition.

But like I say, stupidly short termist, because unless they can engineer a mammoth economic rebound, they’ll be blamed for the fallout. And labour and the media are sure to capitalise on that.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Yes, I do agree with that, Sophie. It has to end on their terms, or they’re stuffed. Neither the vaccine nor the money shot look like Hollywood endings, so we are in for an interesting few months.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

No, it’s worse than panicking. That’s why I take issue with the panic narrative. It lets them off.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Do you remember the hoo-haa before the last election over the boy who was pictured in hospital lying on the floor waiting for treatment? I think Boris and his chums thought that if the media can make that much fuss about a single patient, what will they do with an Italy style situation . . . ? The media have a lot to answer for but the blame lies squarely on Boris, Hancock and Ferguson.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Irony alert

The statue of George Orwell stands outside broadcasting house

Room 101 in The Ministry of Love was named after conference room 101 in the BBC building; where Orwell had to endure long tortuous meetings

Can the statue be relocated in Toby’s front garden?

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago

Anders Tegnell on Neil Ferguson: “…rubbish in…rubbish out”. Ferguson model under big pressure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwn6f-WLTI
youtube watch?v=xWwn6f-WLTI

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Watching that video, my view is the compounded errors result in more than a factor of 12 error. That number is based on Ferguson’s prediction versus the ‘real figure’ of 42,000. But we know that the 42,000 is probably at least double what it should be, and arguably worse. For a start, should we really be counting the demise of a 90-year-old with co-morbidities as a Covid death at all? In many cases, Covid may be present (but with PCR, who knows?) and not the main cause of death at all. I think Ferguson’s main errors are going to be: Extreme IFR value Ridiculously simple core model that doesn’t reflect the immune system Ignorance of pre-existing immunity/resistance His calculation of herd immunity threshold is based on the R0 figure and the equal-susceptibility SIR model, and so his death count automatically scales with IFR. But as we know, ‘IFR’ is a tricky thing to define because ‘infection’ itself is not a binary state. Antibodies are not the only mechanism by which the body can deal with a virus, and PCR is unreliable, so I think IFR figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. I suspect that the reality is… Read more »

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Good post. I agree with your three Ferguson errors, except that I’d add that I think he was deliberately making things look as bad as possible in order to place himself at the heart of policy-making – i.e. I think he’s dishonest, and criminally so.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

It’s also that a rough estimate of “could we deal with 120,000 dying? i.e. double a bad flu season” and then working to build contingency around that, would demonstrate that the models were moot. As they are.

The trouble is that SAGE does not include any practical people with real-life experience on safety projects i.e. engineers of all kinds.

You would quickly see the stupidity of using models like this as well as trying shut down large sections of society.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

“the 42,000 is probably at least double what it should be”

Indeed.

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Antibody tests are no good for HIT calculations.
Low viral load infections do not always lead to antibody production.
Antibody presence can be shortlived.
All denials of the HIT having been reached, will always be based on dubious community seroprevalance studies.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Ferguson model under big pressure – yet again!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Huge numbers from Imperial College
Huge vaccine orders
Huge bill for the taxpayers
Huge profits
Huge wedge to Imperial College

Anyone made the connection yet?

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Also a large proportion of their students are from China..

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Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The world is slowly…….PAINFULLY slowly……waking up to the fact that the so-called “conspiracy theorists” have been conspiracy REALISTS all the way back to the coup d’etat at Dealey Plaza in 1963. (And perhaps right back to the publication of Smedley D. Butler’s “War is a Racket” in 1935.)

It is a traumatic realisation; those who have considered themselves “rationalists” and “skeptics” are now fighting against mounting cognitive dissonance as the validity of the tinfoil-hatters’ worldview is unfolding right in front of their eyes.

They have to painfully acknowledge the growing evidence that, far from being clear-headed rationalists, they – along with the vast majority of the global population – have been the credulous victims of deliberate, intensive, lifelong brainwashing.

We have all been – and are still being – played like a violin by the “legalised crime cartels” who own our Governments and who run the world for their benefit.

But if we are lucky, a Great Awakening may be on its way. This is unquestionably a pivotal time in history.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Spot on.

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago

All this nonsense today derives from the mission creep of environmental science since the 1970s. Any independent national inquiry must look at the dodgy intellectual roots responsible for this debacle in order to cut them out, cauterize the gaping wound that will leave at the centre of the Whitehall and other state bureaucracies, including the state broadcaster. ‘Instead, they’ve swallowed the government’s line that “the science” is clear and unquestioned, and that the prospects, should we fail to “follow” the science, are apocalyptic. Both are highly disputable. Science is divided. The most apocalyptic, however, are getting the loudest shout.’ The Times (above) What does that remind you of?  ‘….the public climate science debate has been framed as “deniers” versus “alarmists”, or “honest saintly scientists” versus “corrupt perpetrators of a hoax”. The media pushes exaggerated claims of a crisis while some scientists misleadingly shield their hypotheses claiming the “science is settled”. But science is a process and never settled.’ Jim Steele, Pacifica Tribune September 30, 2020 ‘When this program started, we used a precautionary principle…..’ Dr Harries England Deputy Chief Medical Officer June 22 2020 ‘Precaution is a slippery but appealing term that emerged in the social democratic planning era of the 1970s… Read more »

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Excellent comment
As an environmental scientist I can say that this is exactly my experience. Funding by corporations and political bodies like the United Nations has been driving the teaching of dogma in environmental education. Open discussion of scientific theories is something from the past.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

You may find interest in the Corbett Report’s two documentaries How Big Oil Conquered the World and Why Big Oil Conquered the World.

In them it is shown how from very early on oil derivatives, which became modern pharmaceutical corporations, loaded target university boards by the same mechanism of funding as you describe. The intention of which was to steer medical academia towards pharmaceuticals.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Thanks, I will take a look.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

They are excellent – we’ve watched them both in the last couple of days. I would also recommend his World War 1 documentaries. Meticulous research, brilliantly filmed and the roots of what is going on now plain to see. MW

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

See also the second half of G.Edward Griffin’s book, World Without Cancer

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H K
H K
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I can also recommend The Corbett Report’s youtube channel.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Ferguson’s prediction was the so called ‘reasonable worse case scenario’ and when applying the precautionary principle the inevitable result is the shelving of risk assessment proceedures.

‘Stay safe’ at all costs! 

RISKS of failure to apply to apply risk assessment are described in this document posted on this site.
 
Leaked Analysis of the Impact of the Lockdown by a Senior Official at the German Ministry of the Interior – Lockdown Sceptics

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

Ferguson’s scenario was an outlier, not a reasonable case. 120,000 would be reasonable worst-case, if you doubled the typical flu IFR.

That’s the same as 100% margin on flight tolerances or tank pressures used in space.

The point of a worst-case is not to predict the most extreme. It’s to prepare you for contingency. Because after all we’re not planning for an asteroid hit.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

you missed the point

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Well said. This crisis has also played into the greens’ hands especially when it comes to the aviation and travel/tourism industries – lockdown, quarantines, social distancing and mandatory muzzling has dealt a hammer blow to both sectors which will take years to recover. Of course the greens won’t care because it could set back the clock in the bad old days when only the rich and upper middle class could afford to travel around and the rest of us will have to make do with Bognor Regis or Scarborough.

That said I’m amazed at the deafening silence from the greens when it comes to the problems of masks and gloves littering our environment (far worse than single use plastic) and lockdowns acutally harming conservation projects in places such as Africa.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Our Green/Left acquaintances locally have entered a new state of denial. All well-heeled, they do not appear to have a problem with what’s going on and their earlier Covi-hysteria has been replaced with an enthusiastic embrace of the ‘New Normal’ – zoom meetings, masks, online exercise, home deliveries and all. When we pointed out to one of them the other day that we’d seen masks strewn on the pavement her response was, ‘Oh they probably didn’t mean to do it, maybe they dropped out of someone’s handbag.’ Previously she would have been horrified at the pollution and litter. Bless. MW

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

Funny thing is even before this shit show, every time I mentioned littering to the green inclined, its always greeted with tubleweed.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

This obsessive’s linking of ‘green’ issues (amongst other hobby-horses) to the current shit-show is one of the things that undermines the force of the arguments against the shit-show.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Not seen Jenny Harries on TV or the internet for ages- wondering why?

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Wuzzo
Wuzzo
5 years ago

Don’t think even Ferguson would have predicted 50000 people dying of foot and mouth disease. I know a lot of people are like sheep, but…

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Wuzzo

Zombies are devil-worshippers and the devil notoriously has cloven hooves.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago

Wancock will salivate when he reads this from the Yeadon article on compulsory vaccination:

“state mandates should not be structured as compulsory vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination.”

And they say we sceptics are alarmist!

He also recommends compensation for people who suffer adverse effects. Dilly dilly, dilly dilly, come and be killed, and maybe the government will pay a bit towards your coffin.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

“the infectiousness and dangerousness of the virus”

Proof?

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Heh heh …

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Yikes!

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich is a consumer protection trial lawyer in Germany and California. He is one of four members of the German Corona Investigative Committee.

https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

50 minutes – an exceptionally important watch. Dr Fuellnich gives a complete, step by step, exposure of the whole, entire thing from the beginning up until today. The crimes, the fraud, who and how. Cannot over state how important this development is. Please share onwards – perhaps MPs would value seeing this.

Crimes Against Humanity

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

YES …MUST READ

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Watched! Brilliant!

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Thank you. Just watched it, and have shared, including Toby, though noted I had got it from his comment section. I am in the process of emailing my MP for the umpteenth time – never replies – and will attach this. Hopefully in his subconscious, the echo of ‘I was only following orders”, might galvanise a backbone to be grown, even if it is just for selfish arse covering.

Could I suggest you repost this after a couple of hours so it doesn’t get lost in the multitude of comments.

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Harry hopkins
Harry hopkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I’ve sent this video to UKcolumn—-I’ll be surprised if they don’t feature this.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry hopkins

Great! I was going to – but not sure I already sent it last night. At least they won’t miss it!

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago

A question about vaccine trials. If 80% of the population had pre-existing resistance/immunity to a virus (as has been suggested with SARS-Cov-2) does that mean that provoking an antibody response from them would be difficult? Is the aim of a vaccine trial to provoke antibody responses from everyone? – even the people who are already immune?

In the case of SARS-Cov-2, many people still assume that it is ‘novel’ and that we have no pre-existing immunity. Is this still the official view? If it isn’t the official view, that’s a tacit denial of Ferguson’s model; if it is the official view, it looks like a conundrum for vaccine development. A tangled web…

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Everything about this hoo-haa seems to have been done in a hysterical panic driven febrile manner with little in depth lateral thinking and very poor management. This whole vaccine business seems to fall into the same category.
As far as I can gather SARS-Cov2 has a significant upper respiratory tract effect and in that way has some similarities to the common cold for which a vaccine has always proved elusive. Indeed, even if we do get a vaccine it is likely to be against the second stage effects of Covid 19 and it is possible that even immunised people will still get the upper respiratory tract infections and still test +ve with a swab test.

It increasingly seems to me that given the nature of this disease we would do better directing some of the vaccine resources to develop effective treatments for people who do unfortunately go on to develop serious COVID 19 symptoms.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

That would be common sense but the real agenda precludes that.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I looked up the endpoints on the study (available here: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746?term=Azd1222&draw=2&rank=1)

in theory the vaccine’s efficacy should be based on results for the primary endpoint, which is prevention of infection (symptoms plus positive PCR test). That makes sense.

However there are a whole bunch of secondary endpoints, including production of antibodies and whole load of other biomarkers. The issue for me will be whether the regulator decides to approve on the basis of secondary endpoints in the event that the primary endpoint is not achieved. That would be scandalous.

I don’t think 80pct pre-existing immunity is that likely, surely? How did the infection spread so rapidly in Mar/Apr if that were the case? Maybe more like 50pct says my gut feel. I will have to do some research on that. I suspect it’s a lot like flu. Lots of asymptomatic people due to prior exposures.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Nosocomial transmission would be my guess as to why (if) it spread in March and April. We (think we) know that there were a lot of PCR ‘cases’ then, but PCR testing has been refined since then and is still regarded as untrustworthy. We think there were some excess deaths (now ‘amortised’), but many of those could have been people dying of having their treatment stopped and the hospitals shut, plus heavily-infected oldsters (though not necessarily C19!) being sent out into the care homes. There is also the small matter of ‘dry tinder’ due to previous mild winter(s).

The 80% doesn’t necessarily refer to ‘immunity’. It could be partial immunity or, to use a different term, ‘resistance’. Neil Ferguson only works with binary states, but the reality is that there can be shades of grey that could transform the modelling.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

all fair points.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The early PCR tests were on those with definite symptoms, not like the cattle market scenario we have now.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Maybe. But there will always be plenty of ‘flu-like symptoms’. I just don’t trust these people to get anything right. And I don’t trust them to tell the truth.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Ridiculous Oxford vaccine trials in Africa.

Oxford vaccine trials are being carried out on the poorest people in the world, in Africa. As this excellent video asks and then answers, why would a vaccine trial in Oxford travel halfway around the world to a place that has lower rates of Covid than elsewhere?

Any lockdown loving westerner needs to see and know the shame of what IS happening as humans are right now being used as lab rats by the Oxford trial in order to bring them a vaccine. Heart breaking and sickening.

Your government does not want people to know this.

Particularly fine coverage by scientist Obianuju Ekeocha
https://youtu.be/kJ0F3mgabBE

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

They absolutely do. Great idea, country.

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Fruitbat
Fruitbat
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Done!

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Fruitbat

Nice one fruitbat. Thank you too for reminding us that not all bats are bad…

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Oddly enough I haven’t heard anything from BLM regarding this cynical exploitation.

Maybe the folk who pay for them wouldn’t like this angle.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Great post.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

wrong sort of black lives.. clearly not woke enough

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Even I can’t come up with a punch line for this one

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/strip-clubs-wales-cardiff-lockdown-19014791?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Watching strippers wearing full PPE and face nappies may appeal to a certain kind of kinky zombie…

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

It’s surely too early to produce such gems of wit – Masterful!

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Heavy pun man!

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

do they have to sterilise the ping pong balls?

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Oh well done that man!

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Already been done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Strippers

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago

The Covid hysteria is really helping people in less fortunate (!!?) countries. This from a pious and charitable friend:

“When I go down to church tomorrow they are threatening us with a mug of frozen soup made from all the produce we took to church the previous Sunday. This is in aid of Christian Aid which went very badly this year with no collections in the village so every church member was asked to donate £5 to help swell our offering.”

Never mind. Cancelling door-to-door collecting keeps our own zombies safe, and that’s all that matters, isn’t it?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Send your friend this. With my compliments. https://youtu.be/kJ0F3mgabBE

It is the antidote to self-absorbed piousness in lockdown loving friends of a charitable nature.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Thank you, Basics, I will.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

If it saves one overweight, elderly first world life…..

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

We had our usual collection from the congregation to help the local foodbank.

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Jpeg
Jpeg
5 years ago

To be fair to Ofcom, I would think it likely that they panicked, knowing next to nothing about public health and having to suddenly assess news complaints about covid, and just picked a standard they could measure themselves against. Maybe I’m wrong. In any case, at this point in the pandemic as scepticism becomes more mainstream and it is clear that the science is far from settled, there should be some sort of review.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Jpeg

I think this illustrates the inherent problem with deciding censorship, even with the most benign intentions, is acceptable

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Nic
Nic
5 years ago

Great to see Trump up and about .
Brazil is a large country with a big population which has just let corona rip , as our useless PM Might describe.
I look at Brazil graphs on World OMETER , iv said this before. death rates and infections have been falling for 2 months.
I’m not good at maths , but the way I see it it could well be over there by january.
Notice MSM doesent mention brazil much i wonder why.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Nic

As an aside – ‘Let rip’ is a new one that has sneaked into popular use, isn’t it? Suggests damage.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Yes it is and it does. Briefed by nudge unit is my assumption. Too many talking heads/experts/quacks came out with the phrase “letting it rip through” society for it to be coincidence – it’s launch complemented the bill and ben graph. The phrase was used by a good handful of them within hours of each other.

Behavioural Insights Team need to be part of the reckoning.

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Silke david
Silke david
5 years ago
Reply to  Nic

Funny, I was wondering about Brazil this morning and how they get on.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Music to Lockdown Sceptics ears everywhere. MUST LISTEN.

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago

How I load a picture?

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnMac

You need to be logged in, then you’ll get a little icon to the bottom right

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Thanks!

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Colin
Colin
5 years ago

Regardless of what you think of the man, the fact that Donald Trump is broadcasting from his hospital sitting at a desk wearing a suit, rather than lying in a bed and filled with tubes, is a MAJOR blow to the bedwetters. This doesn’t match their scenario. If he recovers fully it will also be a blow for Biden and his masks, but that’s another story.

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Nic
Nic
5 years ago
Reply to  Colin

Agree this is fantastic news let’s hope hes back on the campaign trail soon

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PhilipF
PhilipF
5 years ago
Reply to  Colin

Agree that a quick recovery is helpful in terms of showing that even the “most vulnerable” have low chance of serious suffering, but it will be said (is being said constantly) that he got it because of not wearing a mask.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

That’s just their last line of reasoning. As the Guardian ironically showed yesterday, others in his group that caught it did wear masks.

Screenshot_20201003_230948_com.guardian.jpg
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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

A better key to this is needed.

It looks to me as only those highlighted in red tested positive- five altogether. Only one of whom was wearing a mask. 

But I can only count six people altogether wearing a mask* – out of what? nigh on a hundred people?

So one out of six mask wearers were infected. (17%)

As opposed to four out 80+ non-mask wearers. (5% or less)

But, of course, not all those tested positive have probably been identified,

What an excellent opportunity to test the thesis that masks work!

*There’s two way at the back.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I’m sceptical he really caught it at that outdoor gathering as he and his entourage attended a lot of events such as dinners and he was a good distance from the people he was giving a speech to

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Colin

You could argue, using the twisted logic around us, that this shows it takes about 6 months of non-mask wearing to get the virus. Since Trump hasn’t been wearing a mask for the majority of that time.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Colin

If? Of course he’s going to recover.
I don’t know about you. I’m not on here pretending to believe covid isn’t particularly dangerous. I really do believe it and don’t expect for one minute this will be much worse than a flu for him. Especially given the the platoon of medical staff dedicated to keeping him healthy.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Colin

Democrats are circulating on SM a *horrible* meme of Democrat leaders surrounding an open coffin in which Trump lies – showing their true colours?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Some of the testimonials I’ve seen on SM are insane. One lady wore a mask to the Presidential Debate and has now tested positive. She blames Trump. Maybe she could recognise theat she attended an event with a large number of people and it was her choice.

No self accountability anymore

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago

New England Journal of Medicine wants mandatory vaccination

https://www.corona-stocks.com/medical-journal-calls-for-mandatory-covid-vaccine-non-compliance-should-incur-a-penalty/?fbclid=IwAR1sC4oAMrVZc833CR952BwCf9FJqvAk7KlWudBeBBZk0ZFO2AitFbLyWSg

The paper proclaims that “noncompliance should incur a penalty” and notes that it should be a “relatively substantial” one.
It suggests that “employment suspension or stay-at-home orders,” should be issued, but that fines should be discouraged because they can be legally challenged, and “may stoke distrust without improving uptake.”
The paper also suggests that government health authorities should avoid making public their close relationship with vaccine manufacturers, to quell public mistrust.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

That relationship will be made public all right. Not by lying governments, but by others.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Who will be called conspiracy theorists and ignored.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

To a far lesser degree nowadays. I wonder why … ?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Psychotic

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago

“Why did Boris take the predictions of this serial doom-monger so seriously?”

Perhaps because it suited the globalist oligarchs who pull his strings.

And because he is a follower, not a leader.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“Perhaps because it suited the globalist oligarchs who pull his strings.”

Not imo, though I suppose it’s possible depending what you mean by “pull his strings”. Much more likely imo that he’s a cowardly politician with no moral fibre and he panicked because he thought he might get blamed for lots of people dying.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“Much more likely imo that he’s a cowardly politician with no moral fibre…”

You could be right; that is always possible. But it is rather worrying when it is our “best case scenario”.

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smileymiley
smileymiley
5 years ago

Another good article from Professor Carl Heneghan
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/will-covid-cause-a-winter-crisis-in-the-nhs-

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

Excellent. Puts the hospital numbers into sharp perspective.

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takeme
takeme
5 years ago

Excellent artwork, above, by Galina Gardiner. So true!

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago

comment image

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnMac

Right, now can someone tell me the provenance of the above figure, posted yesterday by Tim Bidie?

Because without knowing its validity it’s not going to convince people. If we know it is real, however, then it ought to be very useful indeed (especially if you re-do it all in black and white, and ask which is 2020? How would they know?)

So where did it come from?

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnMac

those are US codes, no? So CDC maybe?

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

It’s a start! Perhaps Tim will come on and tell us?

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Actually no. Numbers too small. U.K. So ONS? You can download into excel from their website

Last edited 5 years ago by Sophie123
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a smith
a smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

summary-of-the-ons-report-on-deaths-registered-weekly-in-england-and-wales-29nd-september

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djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnMac

The 2020 numbers bear little relation to all-cause mortality. The reason is the COVID19 mortality has a separate ICD code for death. The small blue bump indicates some additional deaths, but the ONS number will be much higher

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bucky99
bucky99
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnMac

Assume this includes ‘with Covid’ numbers for this year?

Also, this would appear to show that fewer social interactions reduce the spread of respiratory disease?

And masks have done f*ck all.

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

I assume this is for all respiratory diseases.

It was posted yesterday on this site and looks excellent. I just want to know where it comes from because it could be really useful. In one picture you can see that this is not a special virus.

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takeme
takeme
5 years ago

Hancock has already stated in the Commons that UKgov’s strategy is to suppress the virus until a vaccine is rolled out.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

I’d love to do something tangible to help, but what? I have no platform and I don’t live in London so I can’t attend the protests. Other than informing everyone I know of the data, sceptical views etc., I feel like I’m pissing into the wind.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I believe this is the new bench mark. Perhaps there is something you can see in it that may inspire you to action.

Get it to political people – parties, politicians? You’ll know better than I.

https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

Crimes against humanity.

If qr codes is the new fad why not create qr codes and post them up?

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Sarigan
Sarigan
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

QR codes that point to sceptical sites or videos could be a good idea. Something like ‘For up to date Covid information, please scan’

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Good idea – and people will of course be more likely to scan if the description looks as ‘neutral’ as possible..

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Join the crowd. Once again, I am reminded of a short sci-fi horror story that I read as a child – entitled, ‘I have no mouth and I must scream’.

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takeme
takeme
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

It can be frustrating not knowing how we can move forward. As good as this site is with its excellent editorial content, the comments section can sometime feel like you are yelling into an echo chamber!
Best action, if you can’t attend demos, is to post truths on forums and social media, and try to educate friends and family without appearing to be a conspiracy theorist!
Slow and steady wins the race.

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takeme
takeme
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Interested to hear about your ideas

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Local KBF group ? Leafleting/fly posting ? (There are also trains to London now I hear. 🙂 ).

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Josephine K
Josephine K
5 years ago

I’m not a s scientist, so maybe I’ve misunderstood but if breathing out is ridding the lungs of stuff my body doesn’t want, isn’t wearing a mask that keeps even a bit of the stuff next to my mouth and nose so I breathe it back in, the respiratory equivalent of drinking urine or eating poo? They are all waste products aren’t they?

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L835
L835
5 years ago
Reply to  Josephine K

Correct. But the masks don’t really work and let most stuff, including viruses escape.

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago
Reply to  Josephine K

Masks are associated with problems if used for extended periods. Against which they seem to have little positive purpose except to screen people nearby from coughing or sneezing, in which case one should be at home anyway.

From a SAGE document (in other words a government document):

“Neither surgical masks nor face coverings are designed for use for extended periods … Masks will become highly contaminated with upper respiratory tract and skin micro-organisms.”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923607/s0760-4a-duration-wearing-face-coverings-170920.pdf

In other words, yes, you’re right.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnMac

That quote needs to be spread widely on SM!

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Colin
Colin
5 years ago
Reply to  Josephine K

A new study published in France « boasts » that masks may be promoting immunity through « variolisation » – the primitive vaccination method that consisted in inserting pus from a smallpox pustule into a cut in the skin. (It worked, but 1 in 10 died). This is basically an admission that masks are a cesspit on the face that continually reinfects the wearer.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Josephine K

Correct.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  Josephine K

If you’re slightly infected (having picked up an infection due to the many periods you’re not wearing a mask), then wearing a mask will mean you breathe in all the viral shedding that happens to be electrostatically attached to the mask rather than everybody else.

From mouth to nose for example.

You will therefore have more virus particles in your body than you otherwise would have. And that will continue exponentially while you wear the mask.

What effect that has given you are already infected to the level of producing viral shedding we don’t know.

But the underlying assumption of mask fans is that this makes no difference.

Last edited 5 years ago by Lucan Grey
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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  Josephine K

A German pediatrician has made a video where he explains that the ‘Totvolumen’ of a mask is a particular problem and danger when children are made to wear them.
A baby would die after 3 minutes of wearing a mask, because it would basucally just inhaled its exhaled air, as its lung’s power is still very weak too.
The problem and danger reduces with age and growth, but it never disappears.
Masks are medically harmful.
Masks for children are a crime, they are child abuse!

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mj
mj
5 years ago

London Marathon

BBC currently showing the London Marathon (lockdown version).
Always a big event for BBC. I wonder how much money they are putting into it. No mass runners. Just the elite runners. 1.3 mile circuit. Nobody watching. And lousy weather

So a dismal and expensive BBC promotion of the elite running around in circles with no support.

What does that remind me off?

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kf99
kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

They’re desperate for world records to create interest. The weather should kill that idea.

Nice to hear Andrew Cotter getting some work again, the only commentator left with a sense of humour. Would like to think he’s a bit of a sceptic

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bluemoon
bluemoon
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

I was amused by the commentary – broadcasting across an empty site to nobody except stewards and cardboard cutouts.
Love the analogy!

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago

Hi Again i asked yesterday if anyone knew where the link was to the posters for shops which said NO MASK WE DON’T ASK .There was a link to print them off a few weeks back .Can anyone help i know people who wan’t to print them off and take round the shops .

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  wat tyler

Thank you i will have a look .

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago

Things ARE already awful. Much of the worst has been hidden by lack of media coverage plus the temporarily positive, but long-term terrible destructive, furlough scheme.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Corona graphs for the visually impaired. Have you ever heard what a graph sounds like? Now’s your chance!

Scroll down to the graphs and click the sound icon. Sit back and listen.

https://covid19.scottishtecharmy.org/

I can only feel that this must cause extreme alarm in anyone listening. But I am not an expert in listening to graphed data.

Scottish data. 8% case fatality rate seems questionable.

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