He Is Risen
When I first heard the news that Trump had caught Covid, I was worried. What if he died? Not only would we have to endure the triumphalist crowing of the lockdown zealots, but his death would become the central plank in the case for maintaining all the current restrictions or making them even more severe. Donald Trump didn’t take the virus seriously and look what happened to him! We’d all be wearing masks in public for the next 10 years.
As if to confirm these fears, the zealots already started making this argument in anticipation of Trump’s demise. Heather Mac Donald makes this point in City Journal.
The media and Democratic establishments are in a frenzy of Schadenfreude over President Trump’s Covid diagnosis. Trump’s contracting the disease, they argue, discredits any coronavirus policy short of lockdowns and mandatory mask-wearing, outdoors as well as in. Trump is now “exhibit No. 1 for the failure of his leadership on coronavirus,” Democratic pollster Geoff Garin told the New York Times. …
New York Times columnist Frank Bruni claims that Trump’s infection proves that the country has been lax in its coronavirus response. “It is time, at long last, to learn. To be smarter. To be safer. To be more responsible, to others as well as to ourselves,” he wrote on Saturday. “We cannot erase the mistakes made in America’s response to the coronavirus, but we can vow not to continue making them.”
But I didn’t think through the alternative scenario that actually helps the sceptics’ cause – he makes a complete recovery within a few days and comes out swinging. Well, that’s exactly what’s happened! Trump left Walter Reed Medical Centre yesterday evening and told his followers on Twitter: “Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!”
This tweet was immediately condemned by mainstream media commentators as “dangerous”, “gross”, and “almost impossible to believe”, fearing that if Trump brushes off the virus in such a cavalier fashion it will mean the American people won’t take it seriously. But that’s his intention, obviously. Trump is effectively telling the American people that catching COVID-19 is not a death sentence. We’ve learnt so much about how to treat it, that even an overweight, 74 year-old male can recover within a week. He has now become exhibit No. 1 in the case against needless restrictions on our liberty.
Trump’s reaction to his bout of coronavirus is in stark contrast to Boris Johnson’s, who went from being the biggest beast in the Westminster jungle to a kind of Mowgli figure, leaping in fright at the sight of his own shadow. This, too, has confounded the lockdown zealots, as Heather Mac Donald says in her article.
Lockdown proponents are hoping that Trump will follow the course of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who reversed his position on keeping the economy open after his own hospitalization for coronavirus. Trump should foreswear such a self-involved about-face.
Instead, Trump should tell the American public something that it has needed to hear from a political leader for months: we must go on with our lives. There will be more coronavirus cases; there will be, tragically, more deaths. But we cannot shut down our human interactions in order to prevent one kind of death. We have never done so before, and the consequences of having done so this year will cripple human life for generations to come if we do not overcome fear now.
I’ve had my reservations about Trump in the past, but he’s remained largely faithful to his sceptical instincts about Covid and his reaction to contracting the disease is exactly how Boris should have responded.
Chapeau, Mr President.
Tory MPs May be About to Call Time on the 10pm Curfew
According to the Telegraph, there’s a possibility that a sufficient number of Conservative MPs, as well as the Parliamentary Labour Party, will vote against the renewal of the 10pm curfew on Wednesday night when it’s expected to be put before Parliament.
Ministers have to ask MPs to approve coronavirus lockdown measures in simple unamendable “yes/no” votes in the Commons within weeks of them coming into force.
Two votes on lockdown restrictions in England are expected in the next 48 hours – one on Tuesday night on the “rule of six”, which limits gatherings to six people and came into force on September 14th, and a second on Wednesday on the 10pm curfew, which has applied nationally since September 24th.
While only a handful of Tory MPs are likely to rebel on the “rule of six”, dozens more are expected to try to vote down the curfew.
Rebel Conservatives – emboldened after last week forcing the Government to give MPs a veto on all future national lockdowns before they come into force – said on Monday that they could muster the necessary 43 Tory MPs to vote with Labour to overturn the Government’s 85 working majority.
One Tory MP said: “My sense is that a material number of MPs might vote against the 10pm.” Another said: “If it transpires that Labour is going to oppose it, then I would think there would be enough of us who would be inclined to vote against it.”
Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister who last week acted as an unofficial whip for Tory rebels, said: “Very few members of Parliament have constituencies which will bear voting against every infringement of liberty.
“However, there is a growing consensus that neither the 10pm curfew, nor including children in the ‘rule of six’, are well evidenced. I expect quite a few members of Parliament to take issue on those two points.”
Sir Desmond Swayne, a senior Tory MP, said: “The 10pm [curfew] is a huge mistake. The virus can’t tell the time. It is just absurd to impose this across the country.”
Sir Graham Brady, who is expected to rebel, told the BBC that patience with the Government’s local lockdown restrictions is starting to “wear thin”.
On Monday, Mr Sunak said of the 10pm curfew: “Everyone is very frustrated and exhausted and tired about all of this.”
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Harry Lambert has written a long read for the New Statesman speculating about Boris’s future. Entitled “The End of the Affair”, it’s based on searching conversations with 15 Conservative MPs, most of whom are pretty damning. “It is hard to find a Conservative MP who is impressed by the present government,“ he writes. The most telling quote comes from Steve Baker: “If a smash comes, it will come very hard and fast. And the more isolated he is, the more at risk he will be.”
Are the Rising Cases Just An Artefact of Increased Testing?
If like me you’ve argued that the recent increase in daily cases is because we’re testing more people each day, you’ll be used to the standard rejoinder: it isn’t just case numbers that are increasing, it’s the percentage of people testing positive. But is that percentage really going up? Dr Clare Craig, a Consultant Pathologist, has spotted an interesting anomaly in the Government’s treatment of people who’ve been tested repeatedly when it comes to recording their test results in the data and written about this for Lockdown Sceptics. Here’s an extract:
There are two ways to indicate the percentage of positive tests in a coherent and consistent manner. Either a figure could be published giving the number of positive tests and the total number of tests done – but these figures have not been published since August 20th. Alternatively, the percentage could be given by the number of newly diagnosed patients and the total number of patients tested. The difference between the two is that many people are repeatedly tested.
Instead, the Government press briefing on September 30th, published alongside the data, indicates that the official published figures need to be treated with some caution: “The number of people tested in a given week will exclude some people who have been tested in a previous week, so may not be an accurate denominator to use. For example, someone testing negative for the first time in week 1 will be counted in the ‘people tested’ figure for that week. If that same person tests negative again in week 4, they will not be counted in the ‘people tested’ figure for week 4.”
What this means is that for all the people tested more than once, a positive test result will count towards the numerator, but a negative test result will not count towards the denominator. Someone who tested negative in May could be contact traced again now and if they test negative their result would not be included in the official figures but if they test positive it would be. The relevant percentage of positive tests would therefore be falsely elevated.
Brilliant spot by Clare – Carl Heneghan-esque. Worth reading in full. Let’s hope some bigwig at PHE reads Clare’s article and fixes the problem.
Are the Student Drug Deaths Due to the Covid Restrictions?
A reader in Newcastle has made an insightful observation about the deaths of four young people in the North East, including a Newcastle University student.
It – the Corona response, not the disease – is getting rather close to home.
You’ll be aware of the 700 plus students tested positive by RT-PCR and now – tragically – there have been drugs deaths involving students.
The BBC quotes a criminology professor who observers a problem with nightclubs being closed is they offer a somewhat safer environment for partying. Formally organised freshers’ week events also offered a much safer environment for students away from home for the first time, as did the old halls of residence bars – if there are still any left.
Students do fall victim to drugs from time to time, unfortunately, but it’s hard not to see these ones as avoidable deaths of promising young people with their whole lifetimes in front of them, who might still be with us if it wasn’t for the scientifically misguided and futile efforts not to ‘kill granny’ and, in my opinion, the cynical way in which university Vice-Chancellors have behaved towards these young people.
I just checked the NHS dashboard and deaths from COVID yesterday in the entire North East of England were zero. I guess it may go up, but the daily rates are in single figures. COVID-19 – the disease – is not the problem.
The Great Barrington Declaration
Three sceptical public health experts – Professor Martin Kulldorff (Harvard), Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxford) and Professor Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) – have come together in Great Barrington, Massachusetts to launch the Great Barrington Declaration, a petition calling on governments around the world to adapt a more proportionate approach to managing the pandemic that they call “Focused Protection”. They are the three main signatories, but the co-signatories include Dr Michael Levitt, Dr Gabriela Gomes and Professor Karol Sikora among others, as well as several scientific contributors to Lockdown Sceptics.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. …
Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
This is welcome attempt by a group of sensible scientists to try and inject some common sense into the debate about how best to mitigate the impact of the virus. You don’t have to be a public health expert to sign it, either. Members of the public are welcome to do so and I’ve already signed. Over 14,000 so far and I’ve a feeling it’s going to climb very high, very quickly.
Bursting the Bubble
A reader has come up with an excellent argument against the separating of children in bubbles at school.
To make our schools so-called “Covid Safe” many or all of them have developed “bubbles”, where each classroom or year group is kept separate from the others. Separate play areas, separate canteen times and even separate arrival and collection times.
The theory seems sound, even logical – until you realise it isn’t!
I have two grandchildren in one school in Wales and three others in another school in England. The schools both operate on a broadly similar methodology to keep everyone “safe”.
The problem with this theory is that there are many, many siblings (and close out-of-school friends) in each bubble. Inevitably, a family with two kids, three or more will have a child in a different year or classroom bubble. One of my two grandkids caught the snivels and then a day after that his older brother had it. Probably caught in one bubble and then it gets passed to another bubble.
So I reckon this simple fact of life makes the whole “keep ’em separate” effort a waste of everybody’s time.
Poetry Corner
A reader called Veronica Richards has sent me rather a lovely poem about why friendships whither – poignant, given the pressure the lockdown has placed on friendship groups.
RIFTS
And when, my dear, on my death-bed I lie, reflecting back on the ploys of my mind,
the greatest mistake I will see I made
was to allow Opinion which appeared adamantly pressing
to tear our friendship apart,
‘apparently’.Yet as I lay prone with a cool to my breath,
there will return the Knowing:
that the you that you are, lies also in me,
in all aspects, and primarily Essence.
That what I perceived to be
your manipulation, ignorance, your cowardice,
and you perceived to be my stubbornness, scornfulness, anger
were mere postures we chose to adopt awhile,
occasionally inter-changebly.
Stances which could be,
can be,
dropped at any moment,
so that all that remains is this Innocence recognized by the heart, not the mind
…this Light …of our timeless Existence,
great Healer of rifts.
Prior to thought and to word but not excluding of them.And the good news, my sweet, is it is never too late for miracles to occur
so long as we are willing to stop
bestowing mind-made fake-power in crazy directions.At least: right now.
And now, and Now again.
Shall we do it?ALL of us TOGETHER!
Or at least you and me
for seventeen seconds at least?
Shall we? – while smiling and counting to test our resolve.I’ll start if you like. Or you can.
Round-Up
- “And a plague shall cover the land of Trump” – Excellent piece on the crowing among lockdown zealots about Trump catching the virus by Brendan O’Neill
- “Missing 16,000 coronavirus tests glitch ’caused by large Excel spreadsheet file’” – Turns out Serco, which is keeping a record of who’s infected for PHE, uses Microsoft Excel to store the data and the reason for the missing ~16,000 cases is because the spreadsheet reached full capacity, making it impossible to store any additional names. That’s not a glitch; that’s rank incompetence
- “Why won’t the UK vaccinate the whole population?” – Peston in the Spectator calls for the entire UK population to be given the Covid vaccine when it’s available. Yikes!
- “Despite trying to appear united, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak are increasingly at odds over Covid” – The rift is deepening, according to the Telegraph
- “All the clubs and pubs in Carmarthenshire that have been handed closure notices” – Local authority enforcement officers in Wales are serving 14-day closure notices on premises deemed not to be ‘covid secure’
- “Dalton Parents Revolt Over Prep School’s $54,180 Online Classes” – If you thought English private schools were expensive…
- “Paris put on ‘maximum alert’ as more COVID-19 restrictions are imposed” – Bedwetters triumph across the Channel
- “The NHS Continuing Healthcare (CHC) Scandal” – Retired Rear Admiral Philip Mathias, a former Director of Nuclear Policy at the Ministry of Defence, has Hancock in his sights and is seeking judicial review of the NHS’s Continuing Healthcare Scandal
- “Tories won’t forgive No 10’s incompetence” – Another damning piece about Boris and his top team, this time by Rachel Sylvester in the Times
- “This test and trace shambles is far more than a ‘technical glitch’” – Lea McKinstry in the Telegraph says Britain now has is the worst of all worlds: authoritarianism mixed with amateurism
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
Yesterday, I linked to the trailer for the South Park Pandemic Special – which is packed with anti-lockdown jokes. Today, I’m linking to the whole thing. Guaranteed to raise a laugh from even the most depressed sceptic. Enjoy.
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Good update! Always feel like the tide is turning when I see freshly pressed scepticism.
Doesn’t always last, but still… thank you those of you working on and contributing to the site, and thank you to the fellow commentators, you’re all first in my eyes!
Dissenting scientists issue Covid-19 herd immunity declaration
UnHerd
Freddie Sayers talks to eminent epidemiologists Dr Sunetra Gupta, Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who met in Massachusetts to sign a declaration calling for a different global response to the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/
youtube com watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
Read the full declaration here: https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-expe..
The more that sign this worldwide the better. It attempts to put forward a model that may be acceptable to Governments to stop all the lockdowns and measures. It does mention vaccines (which I am opposed to) but in a much more moderate way.
it may have borne fruit already with the Irish govt rejection of a full lockdown
Fingers crossed – or were they just sabre-rattling in the first place?
Signed it yesterday.
hopefully the two mooted parliamentary votes re rule of six and the 10PM curfew will be a measure of the tide finally turning.
I am hopeful about the 10pm curfew but I suspect it will be a trade off against keeping masks indoors and table service.
the curfew vote was pulled – so much for parliamentary scrutiny.
Yes, you’ve just voiced my feelings! Been feeling very up and down the last few days but today feels different. I really appreciate all the work that has gone into Lockdown Sceptics, from Toby Young, all the contributors, and the commentators. Reading this site every morning gives me hope and keeps me sane. Thanks to all.
This is the Country Boris Johnson has created. <
Comforting a grieving widow by her two sons is banned at a funeral.
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STOP!” National Disgrace – Unedited 🎤 📺 It’s Come To This…
If you see the tide going out, expect a mega-tsunami.
Forward this to you MP – it might seem pointless, I understand, but it’s better than doing nothing. When killing people is Government policy By Peter Lloyd Conservative Woman – October 6, 2020 NO Conservative Prime Minister can survive if he or she is taking decisions that are contrary to the interests of most people in the country. The Covid-19 measures which Boris Johnson is forcing on the public are clearly against those interests, and worse is being planned. The health, education, employment, finances and social and mental wellbeing of the population is being destroyed for the illusory goal of stopping the spread of a coronavirus that is essentially harmless to 99 per cent of the population, and lethal almost exclusively to the elderly with serious underlying medical conditions, as are many strains of seasonal flu. Much of the damage being wreaked is disguised by the Chancellor’s furlough scheme and other taxpayer-funded handouts, but revealed through an explosion of government debt which will have severe negative consequences for all of us, particularly future generations. The ramping-up of virus tests with the dubious PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methodology is inevitably showing more ‘cases’ which in reality may be just harmless fragments… Read more »
A little factoid from the US as of Sept 6th: In 2020 the total death number in the US versus 2017’s total death number was 952,398 shy of hitting 2017 death toll. That amounts to 33.9% left of the total to equal the 2017 numbers. With 118 days left in the year which is 32.3% of the year left it looks like a similar outcome to 2017. At that point the US would’ve needed 18 weeks at current death rates to equal the overall death toll from 2017 whilst there were only 16 weeks remaining. However, the stat is even more interesting in that here in 2020 the overall population is higher than it was in 2017 so as an overall percentage of population this year’s death total is even lower than stated above. Another untidy factoid the disproves the sacred screed of the Covid True Believers is that in the US this year’s increase in mortality is 1.12%, similar to last years. However that rate is lower than the previous 5 years before last year. Let’s also keep in mind the US had 20 straight year’s of mortality rate decreases until 2008- economic recession. Since then we have had… Read more »
Have you got a source for that mortality data? I would like to share it.
Which part- here’s macrotrends:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
I have no idea where your data has come from, but it bares little resemblance to the official mortality data. You are welcome to explore it here – a viewer from mortality.org short-term fluctuations data.
https://mpidr.shinyapps.io/stmortality/
One of the most ridiculous charts I’ve seen on all of this and that’s saying something.
You need to look at context and trends. That idiotic site does neither.
Go here and look at overall growth rates:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
You do know that the source of that data is the US govt? Its just a simple way of viewing the data from the https://www.mortality.org/ database. Along with 40 other countries. Broken down by age with historic reference data. Which does not look like the above plot. As for a historic view, by all means look back. But for modern perspective 10 years is reasonable. The database is the official data from each government provided by their respective agency. The ONS are collaborators.
How are things at 77th Brigade?
Let’s hope the tide is turning – ffs – what other hope is there ?
A small step featured in todays Local Live, a full article about an independent food retailer announcing that they ‘would allow’ customers to remove masks and that the staff were not wearing them either.
There followed a succinct summary of why wearing masks is useless. The proprietor reported that 95% of customers gratefully removed their masks.
The only kickback being a standard rehash of the law at the end of the piece.
This eoushing for masks are in the very small minority. As soon as mandates or perceived laws around them are clearly removed and people can decide for themselves what to wear on their face, off they come. And it’s the key reason why they will never work, you need 100% compliance and harsh enforcement to even stand a chance.
Even with 100% compliance, masks have no proven effectiveness in preventing the spread of airborne respiratory diseases. Then of course, there is the downside of mask wearing and more bad news is building up here. Masks are being worn either by fools and collaborators.
Rowan, Saying only fools or collaborators wear masks is a false dichotomy.
I think gaslighted/brainwashed is one reason, if their only news source is The Guardian or the BBC their probably still hiding under the bed. There are the virtue signallers (closer to collaborators) and then their are the folk who just follow rules, even if they disagree with them.
Most of us on this site would probably be diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder (one of the many fabricated mental illness’s) or something similar, if the pseduo psychologists and big pharma had their way, and be put on some kind of medication. We are the ones that are different (scepticism is quite rare) and it is down to us to try and educate the poor deluded souls.
Those that rely on the BBC and/or Guardian as their main news sources are patently fools. Nothing too controversial about that.
I am afraid I have to disagree with you. For the first time this week in The Netherlands I saw more muzzled people than muzzle-free in the shops. Wearing of masks in shops is “strongly recommended” by the government but they stopped short of making it mandatory (for now). I thought that Holland (btw I’m not Dutch) was an oasis of sanity in this global BS but boy was I proven wrong. The once rebellious, rule-breaking Dutch have turned into sheeple like the rest of Europe. All it took was a misleading “cases” graph from Rutte on prime time TV. It pains me to see young people, men and women in their prime looking pathetic with the diapers on their faces and the irrational fear in their eyes. I have never worn a mask and I am beyond furious at what awaits us in one of the cradles of democracy slowly turning into a communist dystopia. How long are these villains disguised as governments going to destroy everything we hold dear, anything that makes life worth living before we all fight back and hang them from lampposts?? Is it true that that the darkest hour is just before dawn?
Interesting. So it’s fear and social stigma. So maybe I have over estimated the thinking capabilities of the general population.
In that case I would say that as soon as people are told the truth, off they come. Scary graphs and casedemic fear mongering is criminal behaviour
It’s terrorism.
I think many people won’t believe the truth even when it’s clear as daylight. Having been mongered with fear it will take a long time for them to realize the truth.
Lord Haw Haw was hanged in 1946 for “broadcasting propaganda”, and he wasn’t even a full British citizen.
The law only says that face nappies must be worn by shop staff if they can’t maintain “a reasonable distance” from the customers.
Direct quotes from fourth graders today:
“They ruined recess, there’s nothing to do. They took away our basketball, wall ball and our soccer ball. We’re just suppose to sit around.”
“I would rather do anything but go to recess.”
“They’re trying to ruin our self-esteem.”
We are bearing witness to massive institutionalized child abuse.
I approached a grade school as masked up kids were letting out and stopped my car the middle of a crosswalk, rolled down my window and yelled at the masked up crossing guard, “Putting a mask on these young children is a form of child abuse, it’s disgusting.” He did not agree- shook his head.
Turned the corner and there was a young couple walking their young child of no more than 6 or 7 and all of them wearing masks. I yelled at them also telling them they were “abusing their child, what is wrong with them.” The father said, “Calm down” and I replied, “No one should be calm when they see kids being abused.”
Some days you can really see how f**ing hideous all of this is.
What part of Lalalooneyland are you in, Alien?
It’s probably a place near you. I see this sort of stupidity nearly everyday and like Allen I sometimes vent my wrath on those brain dead people who are imposing this nonsense on young children. Proper blame though, should be directed at the treasonous Johnson and Hancock, who have already murdered tens of thousands of our fellow citizens, in their morbid desire to comply with Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccine agenda. Of course, there are many others who share the guilt, but we need to start at the top, as Johnson and Hancock are looking to repeat their crimes this winter. This pair of serial killers have massively outdone, even the evil Dr Shipman and they both should be clapped in irons forthwith.
As a counterbalance, I was on a double-decker bus yesterday and could see, over a high wall, primary school kids playing outside. Maybe 50 of them in groups in organised team games. They were obviously mixing and the groups were close together. Looked completely normal and the kids were shouting and screaming and having a great time. Nice to see somebody has a sense of proportion. Of course, it wasn’t a state school and you’d have to torture me to find out where it was.
What’s ‘recess’? Is this in America?
Playtime
“Crosswalk”=Zebra crossing
A free translation, “Fanny”=Bum
Not your
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I’ll add naughty step=time out chair
Cue large bite of Scotch Egg.
Silver lining perhaps…
Maybe it’ll save this cohort from becoming weapons-grade snowflakes and bestow them with independent thought and scepticism of authority and consensus.
God knows, we need more of that.
Oliver Cromwell cancelled Christmas
When the monarchy was restored they dug his body up
The Lord Protector was dragged through the streets of London to his place of ‘execution’ at Tyburn
At Tyburn he was subjected to the traitors execution of being hung drawn and quartered. How they did that with a corpse is not entirely clear but I’m sure they did their best in the circumstances
He was then beheaded
His head was then displayed on a pike in Whitehall as a warning to others
And his remaining regicide henchmen were hunted down and similarly dealt with, but while still alive. See Charles Spencer’s excellent book Killers of the King. There was no place they could hide.
And yet most of them were men of conscience, unlike our own snivelling tyrants. The latter will find nowhere to hide, either, when Nemesis comes after them.
The Christmas thing is always trundled out to blacken Cromwell, but it’s a misconception because Christmas was not the same as it is now. It was primarily a Catholic religious festival, and since the Civil Wars and the Protectorate came at the end of a century of religious division, and Catholic dissent was still at serious risk of flaring up Cromwell acted not to oppress joy, but to attempt to preserve order. Think of it less as if he’d cancelled a party and more as if he’d banned the marching season in Northern Ireland. I often compare Cromwell to Margaret Thatcher in that, whilst I’m not sure I’d have got on with either of them personally and I don’t think either of them were perfect, I think they were necessary for the moment in history when they arose, genuinely tried to deal with a perceived problem and have been subjected to propaganda both during and after their tenure. In Cromwell’s case, a key part of the myth that has risen around him is the idea that he was in charge before Charles I’s execution. In actual fact he was a mere backbencher and, despite his military genius, wasn’t even head… Read more »
I was making a point above, maybe not well. Actually I greatly admire Cromwell, and despise Charles I as a self-righteous tyrant – although the legality of his trial and executuion are, to put it mildly, contentious.
But Cromwell and Ireland isn’t good??
Hear hear. In Drogheda, a town about 30 miles north of Dublin, they still talk about like he was on remand awaiting trial!
“He blows up policemen, or so I have heard,
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third.”
Michael Flanders on the Irishman.
Too late for Cromwell, but not for Johnson and Hancock who should be on remand, but no trial seems necessary. These two serial mass murderers make Harold Shipman seem like St Francis of Assisi.
Blair and Iraq isn’t good. Cameron and Libya also not good.
Difficult to find a legal footing to kill the head of state, but in fairness it was the first time that was tried – previous monarchs had just been quietly murdered, deposed or beaten in the field and replaced by another branch of the family.
True. But constituting the Commons as a court was dodgy.
It’s not the head of state this time around. It is the Prime Minister and the Health Secretary who should have their heads lopped off.
I’ve read it and, dare I say it, Cromwell is one of the historical figures whom I most admire.
Iron determination and incorruptible; a man for his time.
I think the Lord Protector role was an uncomfortable compromise but all that was realistically on offer in the 17th century.
Shall we gloss over the genocide in Ireland
By no means. The good and the evil should be weighed in the balance.
The best interpretation I can put on it is this.
Cromwell calculated that by undertaking the massacre at Drogheda he was preventing further insurrection in Ireland, and thus saving net life. If by killing one ‘rebel’ in cold blood he prevented tens of deaths inherent in further insurrection then the killing was justified.
Not a calculation I would wish to make, but was he really so terribly wrong??
That’s a justification for genocide. Using that logic it would have been justified to nuke Afghanistan, Iraq or even Argentina – ‘after all if it saves one life…’
I’m not saying I agree, I’m just trying to guess the thought process he was going through. Probably the religious certainties of those days made it easier.
Not at all; my forebears joined the expedition, as bridle makers, so the story goes, but, for his attempts to bring another course to 17th century England, I think he deserves some credit.
Cromwell was flawed, as are we all, but the unfortunate Charles 1st was his own worst enemy.
What happened in Ireland was within the rules of war at the time (you didn’t give quarter to besieged cities if they forced you to breach them) and we tend to gloss over the fact that Wellington did much the same in the Peninsular War. There was also a lot of bitterness amongst the Protestant troops due to (somewhat exaggerated) stories of what had happened during the Irish uprising a few years earlier. We might not like what he did – and it’s certainly been used politically since – but that’s rather like the whole statue-toppling thing at the moment, judging history by our own standards.
The idea that Cromwell needed to wage war on Ireland is a nonsense in itself. It was an act of pure bigotry, the man and his demented puritanism are a stain on our history.
I would have been a Royalist through and through.
It wasn’t Cromwell’s decision to invade. The rump parliament instructed him to do so, although I agree not for good reason (they basically thought that a standing army was a threat to order if they didn’t give them something to do).
So he was only following orders? To be honest I think he had too much fun killing people to use that defence.
And I a Cromwellian. Muskets at dawn?
Gets a bit complicated in that the Old English (descendants of the Anglo Norman aristocracy) were still Catholic and generally sided with the locals.
One of my ancestors, Sir Hugh Cartwright of Ossington, was walled up for a month in someone else’s house because Cromwell’s men were after him and considered him a ‘dangerous malignant’ – something to do with a siege at Pontefract I think. He then fled to Belgium. I thought of him at the beginning of the lockdown!
The Cartwrights were descended from the Norman aristocracy and the Cranmers; my many times great grandmother was the Archbishop’s sister. Much of their land came from the dissolution of the monasteries but Cromwell confiscated it, which was why my grandfather ended up taking milk round on a horse and cart!
Great story!
When you think what people in those days went through in adherence to their beliefs in puts what we’e going through into persepective.
Cromwell didn’t abolish Christmas, it was Parliament.
Cromwell famously danced at his daughter’s wedding.
Even John Calvin allowed dancing at weddings. I think it was the only occasion. I always thought it must have led to serial monogamy in Geneva.
‘Cromwell acted not to oppress joy, but to attempt to preserve order’
Bit like the dictator and handy cock then
I have an ambivalent attitude towards Cromwell. As you say, he was necessary to the time. We have much to be grateful to him for, and yet there was much that was repellent about him. I thought Cromwell had more influence during 1648 than your post implies?
I often wonder which side I which side I would have supported in the Civil Wars. In my view, they both were in part right and in part wrong. The one individual who was truly wrong was Charles I, with his unbending out-of-date attitude; his best months were his last months, and do him some credit, but it was too late.
I have had a copy of Ms Fraser’s book for ages, but haven’t read it yet.
Cromwell was popular with the army – the New Model was based on the cavalry regiment he raised in Huntingdonshire and his strategic nous had delivered the greatest victories of the wars – and he was vocal amonst the regicides, but he was by no means in charge.
Very hard to say where I’d have stood at the time too. I have a strong sense of justice and morality, but obviously that has been shaped by my own background so it may well have been different based on when, and in what position in society, I had been born.
By 1648 if I’d been an MP I’m pretty sure I would have been one of the ‘Presbyterians’, as they were termed.
I love the fact lockdown sceptics are fighting the English Civil War . Here’s my take . I would of supported Cromwell and the forces of republicanism and we should be justly proud of being the first modern nation to kill a king .But the truth is in the end Cromwell betrayed the cause ,you only have to look what happened to Winstanley and the diggers .The reason today a tiny minority own all the land in Britain and the majority hardly have a blade of grass is because we never fulfilled our dreams of making the land a common treasury for all .
As I remember, Cromwell was very sensitive to the continuation of property rights, being from landed stock himself.
He was and as i said betrayed the cause.
Fascinating. I’m starting to like history.
Can I propose that we follow a modified Icelandic model. That being burying the corpse in a bog, pickled in urine, then perhaps introduce a little British flavour by a hanging, and a quartering if you must, before finally separating body from head until dead, dead, dead.
I thought a lot of the regicides did hide though? Escaped the country. Although there were executions, I thought Charles II tried to be as lenient as he could, and in doing so set the tone for his reign.
I think there’s a lesson here. Terrible as we all feel about the current circumstances, and bitter as we might feel towards the perpetrators, when this is all done as a society we have to move on. And limited revenge is a part of that.
Don’t get me wrong, I wish to see guilty people punished for this; but in the long run I think we have to sort out our society and institutions so as to put in safeguards to ensure that something like this can never happen again. And achieving that will be much more difficult than pursuing the simple gratification of revenge.
The important thing to do when this is over is to learn the lessons from this and put up safeguards in order to ensure that something like this should never be allowed to happen again.
The people guilty should be punished and serve as a warning to those who seek to destroy the country and its people.
The rallying cry should be Never Again
I agree with all that.
It’s not just about lifting the restrictions: it’s about ensuring that it can never happen again.
Punishment and ridicule of the guilty individuals is a part of this, but a small part (and the easy part).
Exactly. It’s appalling how people quickly forget the lessons of the past.
Part of thr never happening again needs to involve unpicking the education system.
Germany leading as a population standing up to the fraud may in time come to be seen as a success of their educated recovery from WW2. The generations of education to never let such a thing happen again appear in some ways to have worked.
There is standing against this the European project of course, which itself uses the threat of an ununified Europe as reason to unify.
Education must be central to never letting this happen again.
The thing is we did have the checks and balances to supposedly prevent such authoritarian rule, but they all failed. Swathes of human rights legislation, lawyers, parliament, journalism (corner stone of democracy), our bill of rights, hypocratic oath, policing by consent … it goes on. Every single one ignored or failed to do their duty.
I know, and that’s why it is going to be difficult to sort out.
It requires a societal revolution.
Which won’t happen.
When the government finally takes their boot off our throats, the general public will utter a collective sigh of relief and forget the entire thing.
Those who still have jobs will go back to the daily grind and distract themselves with whatever mind-numbing fare Pravda trots out on a Saturday evening. Those who don’t have jobs will put their hand out and be grateful for whatever crumbs the Bank of England’s printed money will buy them.
If I had anywhere to go, I’d be gone.
Maybe, as a nation we will drown in complacency.
But maybe there’s another side to this coin: the pain will be so bad it will force a rearrangement and reset. Bit like 1979.
Maybe. It feels a bit too much like 1933 right now.
Yes. People will struggle to feed themselves. That will be the new normal, and the bastards that are responsible will walk away unpunished.
And Dido Harding will get another cushy non- job.
Instead of being crushed under the wheels of incompetence it seems that she is one who is propelled yet higher by her mistakes.
Well said. It makes you wonder why they failed and why those in authority failed in their duty.
The one scant consolation here is hopefully many of these people will be living with a guilty conscience for the rest of their lives.
Psychopaths don’t have a conscience.
Or found the felicitous attention of billionaires too much to resist. They did not just fail to do their duty, thy joined the ranks of the enemy.
Great sentiments, but for all the “never agains” history has a strange way of repeating. En masse people do exhibit the most extraordinary lack of basic recall.
Lesson #1 no more Enabling Acts, I thought we had learned that from Hitler.
Totally agree – I don’t think we should be telling Boris to buy an extra shirt and setting up the scaffold in Whitehall, but we should have a (proper) inquiry and, depending on the findings, leave those who acted from improper motives to the criminal justice system whilst we do what we need to do to prevent it happening again.
As part of the settlement Charles ll declined to emancipate the thousands of Royalists condemned to indentured servitude in the West Indies.
The property rights of their new masters trumped the reduction of Englishmen to slavery.
Notably, the property rights of of the disposed Royalists in Britain were not reinstated after the Restoration. I didn’t know about the West Indies business and will have to look into it.
some of them sought to avoid retribution by fleeing abroad but the forces of law and order tracked them down (Eichmann/Mossad).
We should do our best in our circumstances. Thanks for the history lesson. Sometimes history is a beautiful thing full of justice.
There are two prime candidates for similar treatment and not just for cancelling Christmas, but for murder on the grand scale. Of course, it’s Johnson and Hancock, who killed tens of thousands of old people in the Spring. These two serial killers are now looking to repeat their evil crimes this winter, under the guise of the totally flawed PCR tests. Like the rest of us, they know the test is worse than useless, but it serves the Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccine agenda and that is all that will matter for them.
Dissenting scientists issue Covid-19 herd immunity declaration
UnHerd
Freddie Sayers talks to eminent epidemiologists Dr Sunetra Gupta, Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who met in Massachusetts to sign a declaration calling for a different global response to the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/
youtube com watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
Read the full declaration here: https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-expe..
Like all here I was fascinated by the Crimes against Humanity video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ
I was also fascinated by reading Corona, False Alarm?: Facts and Figures book by Karina Reiss Ph.D. and Sucharit Bhakdi MD: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corona-False-Alarm-Facts-Figures/dp/1645020576
Chapters 3 and 4 are quite astonishing; not only because of the reported actions of the ‘scientists’ named in the video above, but also because by replacing the names of the main German protaginists, e.g. Chancellor, CMO, Health Minister, etc., for our equivalents, i.e. Johnson, Whitty, Handjob, etc., you would think you were reading about what the UK done. The timings, actions, etc. have a remarkable similarity.
I was gobsmacked!
Almost as if it were all planned.
Safety in numbers. They’ll be covering each other when the time comes.
Try ’em in batches then,
But…surely it’s all just global bumbling incompetence…? You’re not one of those pesky conspiracy theorists, are you?
We know the eu pressurised this country and we caved…….
‘“We had prepared the closure of our border and told Prime Minister Johnson we would implement it that day if there was no evolution [of British measures],” a senior French official…’
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/france-border-coronavirus-uk-141402
+1 for Corona, False Alarm. It’s a great book.
It’s this what swings it for me.Looking at our useless government I can believe in the incompetence theory,but the similarities between our response and governments is too alike
.All these governments cannot be this incompetent in exactly the same way.
They don’t call it a plandemic for nothing!
Forum users seem a degree reticent to use that term.
I don’t know why….
Robert Koch in Germany, Inserm in France, SAGE and Imperial College in the UK; all infiltrated years ago.
As you say, lockstep uniformity everywhere.
We have one or two outliers of course; Sweden the obvious one, plus Belarus, where we know that Lukashenko was offered a huge bribe to shut down his country, and Serbia where the citizens simply said NO!
And the figures from those three countries serve to expose how none of the lockdowns and other attacks on civil liberty were justified in the slightest.
Great post..exactly
From the top of my head, I think Brazil, Mexico, Tanzania and Pakistan also had somewhat limited lockdowns?
THANK GOD Trump isn’t in the ICU right now. That would be a nightmare for the ages. I’m hoping he continues on an upwards trajectory, and I’m very pleased with the way he’s handled this. “Don’t let it control your life” is exactly what the world needs to hear right now. I’m hoping this will begin to change people’s perspectives and make them less tolerant to excessive measures.
Fully agreed. So far, the way Trump has used his illness to encourage people and alleviate fears has been a much-needed counter to the fear-mongering from the likes of Neil Ferguson, Anthony Fauci, and the mainstream media. I’m not the political type, but I have to say I’m proud of Trump. Hopefully this causes more people to come to their senses and put an end to these ridiculous, dangerous lockdowns in what has become the craziest year of the 21st century.
I’ve said before that I’m no Trump supporter. I voted against him in the last election. I disagree vehemently with a lot of what he’s done. But even a broken clock is right twice a day – and he is right about covid. In fact, I remember hearing one of his early statements about it and thinking at the time that he might very well be right. But I held my judgement until I got a lot more evidence and did a lot more reading from sites like this one. And here I am.
I am eligible to vote in the upcoming US election but will be sitting it out. There’s is nothing that could get me to vote for him, but I will not vote against him. The Dems keep sending me emails, asking for campaign contributions. I keep replying with sceptic arguments against the hysteria, but I doubt anyone reads them.
“Don’t let it control your life” should be spread far and wide here in the UK. Although it might be better as “Don’t let the government control your life”.
Same. I would have wanted him to win the election anyway as the Democrats are sickeningly captured. However he’s won my respect in a couple of ways :
1. No more wars
2. Kicking back in China
3. His Corona approach has been excellent given the pressure he is under. He was on tbe money with HCQ, masks (though he caved for votes), the lack of evidence that this is anymore than the flu, getting Richard Atlas in
Anyone who loudly defunds the WHO gets a vote from me.
I’m also eligible to vote in the US election and I’m absolutely voting Trump for this reason alone.
Three epidemiologists from Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford recently wrote a declaration that I think just about all lockdown skeptics would want to sign. They are calling for an end to all lockdowns, and for governments to pursue an approach similar to what Sweden, Japan, South Dakota, etc., have used in this pandemic. There are some high-profile lockdown skeptic scientists who have signed this declaration or cosigned it, including Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt. I encourage everyone to sign it and spread the word!
https://gbdeclaration.org
The October 5 Freddie Sayers interview (on UnHerd) with those three epidemiologists is also fantastic, by the way.
With the news that the vaccine will only be for older and more vulnerable people (Monday’s FT) does that mean there will need to be another U-turn in govt policy accepting that high numbers of “positive” cases in the under 50s are OK without continually resorting to restrictions and lockdowns. For example all the students and school children currently with it pushing numbers ever higher. The alternative will be endless restrictions with a disease that has relatively little impact to the under 60s.
I’m so confused about this supposed vaccine. I thought the whole point of vaccines was that they conferred herd immunity and not just individual immunity. For example, this is why it’s so important for children to get the measles vaccine as babies can’t have the vaccine so the immunised people around the vulnerable protect them.
The fact that they’re only going to give it to the vulnerable and that it might only lessen symptoms makes me wonder if it is even a proper vaccine at all?
In the FT interview it went on to say the vaccine (at least the Oxford one) isn’t intended to stop someone getting COVID but only to reduce the impact of catching it and reducing the chance of severe illness. Presumably that is part of the answer – no point in giving it to the young as they are rarely badly affected by it. Also said that don’t want to give to young as vaccine side effects likely to outweigh the benefits. Ie little or no benefit for young people.
I saw on Twitter; ‘Less than half of UK population’ will get a COVID-19 vaccine’ and thought that the majority of the population were finally seeing sense….
Of course it wasn’t meant to mean that.
They really don’t know what they are doing. Even their best-laid plans are unravelling.
They can attempt to vaccinate the ‘vulnerable’ but that is precisely the section of society for which the vaccine hasn’t been trialled. So safety is a complete unknown, as is efficacy. And they dilute their statements about efficacy all the time.
And then Peston comes out and says the young should be prioritised.
Why pick on them? They have already served to bring us towards the HIT, and will derive nothing but risk from a vaccine.
The US polls are showing that no more than half of the population will accept a vaccine.
Peston wrote a load of appalling bollox.
You’re making a rational, logical deduction. Don’t assume our politicians can do the same.
Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.
How about explain the risks and let people decide how to live? The bit about retired people is patronising bullshit! and this is meant to be a step forward?
The Great Barrington Declaration
Hi Steeve and what are the comprehensive and detailed list of measures that are within the scope of public health professionals? I mean how many measures do we need? Sorry will not be signing this one!
I mean who wants to hang in a wardrobe with mothballs?
They address that issue in the final paragraph, in talking about how life should be resumed as normal by the non-vulnerable members of the population. They clearly state that high-risk individuals should be free to resume life as normal if they want:
“People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.”
They also explain themselves more fully in the UnHerd Freddie Sayers interview, which is definitely a good one.
People who are more at risk may participate if they wish – shows how far we have fallen?
Yep, the world has definitely gone nuts. That’s why I’m glad scientists like these are speaking up about it. We need our freedom back, and lockdown victims desperately need the lockdowns to end as soon as possible.
Never mind possible, It’s impossible to define that ‘possible’. We need our freedom NOW, unconditionally.
Agreed. That is what I meant. The lockdowns should have ended months ago, but the irrationality and overconfidence of public health officials interfered.
There should never have been lockdown.
Thanks for saying that. I keep hitting that note in Daily Mail comments. We need restrictions removed NOW full stop.
I’m retired, I live at home( like millions of others who have not been attacked by instant senility on reaching pensionable age) and I will meet family members wherever I damn well like, when I’m not out riding, gardening, walking the dog, working, or generally living.
And what health care measures helped you to continue living life to the full?
Fresh air and good food.
You should do a recipe for the day!
Ingredients:
Fresh air ad lib.
One breakfast, one lunch, one supper. Adapt quantities to suit your taste and appetite.
Tea and/or coffee ad lib.
Your favourite drink, in or out of moderation.
Chocolate ad lib.
Season with a large quantity of Coronascepticism.
To be consumed in optimistic mood and in good company, whether of human, dog, horse or any other living creature whose companionship cheers and consoles.
Great post!
Although I’d specify ‘favourite drink’ as single malt whisky, cask strength but then watered to taste, drunk at any time of the day.
Annie you are amazing
Wonderful!!! A great recipe for a life worth living!
Dark chocolate, in my case. Lots of fresh air. Go mad being confined indoors 24-hours a day. Always been that way.
Ann, you should march on the Senedd, demand to be heard and lay some sound Ann advice on them.
And then please come up here and take on the Holyrood Heidbangers!
Alas, they have no ears to hear, and Cardiff is a jail, nobody allowed in or out.
For freedom they lost their blood, as our national anthem says.
Dark chocolate!!!
Same here!
Regular bird watching helps
As: previous comment plus hard manual work.
Exactly. I work on my allotment for 2 or 3 hours a day seven days a week. Getting stronger as a result (got the plot in February). And I intend to do a lot of path building over the winter, digging paths and moving wood chips, so heavy labour. I’ve lost over 8 kilos since lockdown started and improved my diet with tons of fresh veg.
And the government wants to make over-60s (over-50s?) think we’re made of cotton wool and have to hide in our houses? Hell, they’re trying to make 20 year olds think human beings are frail little creatures.
I don’t know about you but aged 15 I was working 50 hours a week for a small building firm ( It would be rightly classed as child labour today.)
I certainly don’t want to fall into a “Monty Python” sketch (” When I was young, there were 15 of us and we lived in a hole in the middle of the road and had 1 shoe between us and we were lucky,etc) but don’t class us 60/70/80 somethings as poor old people who should be locked away “for their own good”
Aged 13-15 I worked Saturdays for W.H.Smith & Sons. There would be 3 or 4 of us from a pool 6 so taking time off was never a problem.
One day the Manager (great guy) told us that the law had changed and that if we worked more than half a day he was ‘exploiting’ us.
Stuff that, how was I going to get fags And records with half day pay ? It was all cash in hand then so we worked around their stupid ‘protections’.
I’m in my sixties now and still work at the job I enjoy up to 7 days a week, by choice.
I’m 61 and anyone who try’s to define me as vulnerable can f**k off. I’m not overweight, don’t have any health problems and am not on any medication. I work in a front line service in social care and would like to be able to keep my job which won’t happen if the bed wetting government castigate me as fragile. In my free time I walk, cycle, climb boulders and wild swim. Lockdown didn’t stop me doing any of these things and neither have I worn a mask or used the dreaded hand sanitiser when I go shopping. I don’t believe in staying safe and would make the most if my remaining healthy years.
SNAP,
WELL SAID.
Same here Ann. I’m retired, own a smallholding a few miles away from my own home, and spend most days there with my horses, sheep and goats. I grow fruit and veg, I have a handyman who comes three times a week to help me with heavy lifting and things I simply can’t do now due to arthritis, but I’m active and well in all other ways. Nobody gets to tell me to stay at home! I’m there in all weathers, living life as I wish. I avoid shops and restaurants as I don’t wish to get involved with the nonsense Covid “measures”. I will not comply, ever.
My wife has taken my 97 year old Aunt out every week, she likes to browse in the shops ie M&S have a coffee etc. That’s what she loves doing!
Not something I understand! So when do we ever hear about the importance of this? When do we hear about quality of life over quantity? I mean at 97!
My wife could have said – “Stay in – better safe than sorry!!!!!!”
Absolutely brilliant, more power to you, your wife and especially your fantastic aunt
To me, the key is offer support/ protection to the vulnerable, IF they want it. That to me is the key, IF. No-one should be dictating to any group of people what is perceived to be for their good.
Yes, I think people are misunderstanding. gbdeclaration is not saying retired people should be forced to stay at home. It is saying that the resources currently being thrown at the non-vulnerable should be targetted at those who are vulnerable and wish to stay at home.
It was by far the most sensible option from the very start.
Exactly this. The declaration is well worded, because to say “what we should do is completely ignore the virus and tolerate old people dying” would be unacceptable. It talks about protecting the vulnerable because that’s what people need to hear as part of a herd immunity strategy, but it also says that the vulnerable should have a choice about being protected. It may not go far enough to our minds, but it goes as far as it can to be palatable to the mainstream media message.
‘tolerate old people dying’
They mean if we don’t tolerate it, old people won’t die?
That seems to be what most people think, yes. And if old people do die, it’s the government’s fault.
As a singer, one of my big worries is amateur choirs, in churches and elsewhere. Because of the Gareth Malone effect, choir singing had become very big in Britain again and, although shouty community choirs, performing pop songs by ear, are anathema to me, I know that they provide many retired people with a great deal of pleasure and a social life. Now, not only are those people being told that they shouldn’t go out because they are ‘vulnerable’, singing has been labelled as the Devil’s activity, with those who want to save it accused of murder by some obsessives.
Where choirs have resumed, the restrictions are absurd, with some ‘singing’ in masks!! Apart from my general opposition to the ghastly things, I will not compromise my integrity as a singer to allow a ‘mask’ anywhere near my breathing apparatus when I am in a situation where I am expected to sing. As a teacher, I fear for the technique of young serious singers who are bullied into this absurd behaviour.
Our bedwetting archdeacon thunks it’s mortally dangerous to let muzzled churchgoers hum into their masks. As for singing….
I know of a lady who joined a choir for lung damaged people at 91!
It gave her great joy and improved her health!
Joy is the best medicine!
Community singing is a very powerful way to pull people together and create bonds even between strangers. Anthems provide strong evidence of the effect.
That it has been banned is a sinister blow.
There is hope! I sang in a small group of 3 at a church in south Manchester on Sunday for the first time since March, at the invitation of the vicar, who is something of a sceptic. We were maskless – I refuse to wear one in any circumstances – but it’s a shame the same couldn’t be said of the congregation. But the church was filled with Byrd’s Mass for 3 Voices, and we also sang the hymns – the congregation weren’t as yet “allowed” to sing those, but hopefully that will change in time. The vicar’s homily was wonderful – he talked about the story of Jesus healing the lepers, and if He wasn’t afraid to touch the unclean, without risk assessments and social distancing, perhaps we shouldn’t be either. I was waiting for him to exhort everyone to take off their masks and hug each other, but he didn’t go that far…yet. I caught up with him for a few words afterwards, and he lamented the fearful approach taken by those higher up in the pecking order. I said that the change needs to be at grass roots level, and he has a big part to play… Read more »
You are so lucky to have such a vicar, instead of a quavering, gibbering, nappied muppet like ours.
I’m in my 60s and pretty healthy. In fact, I’ve taken steps during this mess to improve my health. I take responsibility for my own health and take no medications. I have things delivered to my home because the government has made shopping a dystopian experience. That’s my choice, not theirs.
The current situation has only increased my distrust of the medical profession. I do not wish to be confined “for my own good”. The government can go to hell if it intends doing that.
They should have dusted down the instruction manuals of the old Isolation Hospitals 6 months ago.
Probably haven’t since they won’t be on a spreadsheet.
I don’t agree with a lot they have suggested either. It still opens the door for meddling in peoples personal lives. Many retired people are perfectly healthy so I don’t think their words have been chosen properly and they should have said vulnerable people rather than retired. And it should certainly have emphasised that any measures advised are voluntary and individuals should assess their own risks and how they want to live. And how can you meet your family outside during an English Winter when it’s tipping it down and freezing? But reading between the lines I am thinking they have tried to come up with something that will be more acceptable for Governments.
I thought the wording left a lot of loopholes and much to be desired.
Hear hear.
Lord Sumption is excellent on the point of allowing people to make their own choices, and neatly sidesteps a devious question from the Beeb interviewer:-
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/sumpton-on-uk-lockdown-challenges-bbc-reporter_RwqNfCjwjhHNZVa.html
Thanks for the link!
Consider this from the Paris bullshit:
“Paris has been placed on maximum alert as the Covid-19 incidence rate has exceeded 250 infections per 100,000 among the general public. The maximum alert is also triggered when two other criteria are met — when the incidence rate among those aged over 65 is above 100 per 100,000 people, and when at least 30% of the beds in intensive care units are reserved for Covid-19 patients.”
Do you notice something? Of course you do. No mention of deaths, or illness. And 30% of intensive care beds are not occupied by Covidders, they are reserved for Covidders.
France and the UK are lying from the same hymnsheet, evidently.
There was a time when Paris bars were frequented by Europe’s greatest intellectuals and artists.I suppose none exists these days.
Macron’s government were one of the ringleaders. I can’t see a way he can climbdown from this without being lynched. So, like here, they have to keep up project fear, whilst they keep on digging.
France will be held up as reason to tge UK in less than five days. Ican already sense Scottish cmo dentist Leech making notes about Paris to shortly regurgitate.
Which also neatly disproves the masks work theory.
Say what you like about President Trump, the leader (King) of the free world…….
That is exactly what ‘covid b*ll*cks’ needed: a shot in the arm….Oh! Hang on……..
When tv reporters and newsreaders say figures like “300 positive cases in 100,000 people” I’d like them to be compelled by law to add “or 99,700 people per 100,000 not testing positive”.
Good grief! The type of reporting issue you describe here has been infuriating me throughout this pandemic. The doomsayer reporters are fond of portraying statistics in a pessimistic way that stirs up panic, instead of in a way that calms the harassed public down.
Years ago, my father commissioned a statistical study, I forget the subject. He asked the statistician what result he thought most likely.
‘What result do you want, sir?’ replied the statistician, without a trace of irony.
Ha ha ha! I’m a statistician with a passion for psychology, so I appreciate stories like this one.
“I’m a statistician with a passion for psychology”
WOW! How does that work?
lol
I could never understand Chi Squared analysis, so that was my psychology A level down the drain.
You can prove anything you like with statistics. It’s a matter of how you present them.
Toby, I love your opener. But I came home early from work today, thoroughly depressed. Even American conservatives are saying things like: “good news is that Trump will be taking covid seriously and masks are to be required in the white house…” Etc… That from the formerly liberty living National Review.
I hate to say it, but I really feel today like the world has gone completely mad, and those people I thought were sane are as mad as the rest. Except here, of course.
On a totally different note: feeling some fondness for Lewis… My wife and I watched (or for her, rewatched) the first episode of Inspector Morse. Loved it.
If I ever do get to visit the UK, and I cannot visit Jack Aubrey, I hope to visit it during the 1980s. Please let me know when you get them back.
Yes please: Aubrey for PM and Maturin for chief medical officer.
As long as Maturin no longer insists on bleeding everybody at the drop of a hat.
What really depressed me is that Trump’s covid attitude is pretty widely rejected. It’s likely that it will lose him the election. We are demanding more draconian measures…
I kind of feel like the one guy in the crowd, looking around, saying “Barabus, really? Because to me Barabus seems like a bad idea… This is not what we should be asking for, guys…” And totally drowned out.
Life outside is more like an episode of Dr Who now.
National Review has been pretty much coronapanic central throughout, hasn’t it? Personally I never much trust them anyway because I’ve always been paleocon rather than neocon.
You’re talking to different American conservatives than I am. My family/friends are all thrilled with the outcome as they thought the hysteria was ridiculous to begin with.
If you do ever get to visit, HMS Trincomalee in Hartlepool is the nearest you will get to Jack Aubrey. Well worth a visit.
I would be thrilled! Finished all 20 books and have started again…
Wow, Trump, get in.
A caution about the Admiral Philips campaign.It doesn’t focus on the current Covid crimes against the old and helpless, but on a previous issue of funding. (Which isn’t to say that it’s not a worthy cause.)
At 8am
I have to phone the doctors because my Dads Asthma is worse. I phoned at 3pm yesterday to explain about his Asthma but to make an appointment I have to phone back at 8 – that is the rule! and this will be for a telephone consultation! Either AM or PM.
I mean they know he’s not well, why not just book him in? No you have to phone at 8 – listen to all the Covid crap again and get in the phone queue for however long – make your appointment and then wait all morning or all afternoon for the doctor to phone you. Not sure what you have to do to get into the surgery?
My wife tried to phone another surgery yesterday for her Auntie and could not even get through!
Still you are not allowed to just walk in and talk to a receptionist!!!
Evil.
I do hope you get some response soon. Good luck and don’t despair!
Call 111, ask for an appointment at your nearest urgent care centre or out of hours.
Thanks for that advice!
Medical dictatorship – but you can’t get an appointment for a serious illness.
Yep, sounds about right for UK 2020.
Medical people should be totally ASHAMED if they are supporting this new regime. It’s totally evil.
You are fools.
Anyone with asthma should increase their resilience by upping vitamin C (at least 2g per day), vitamin A and Vitamin D (at least 10,000IU per day) levels. Always take magnesium and Vitamin K2 with high dose vitamin D.
These things take time so will start seeing benefits in a couple of weeks.
National Hoax Service
I see Toby plagiarized my comment yesterday predicting Trump’s return unscathed, and what it will mean for the election and mask-wearing, basement-cowering Biden. No hard feelings.
It’s amazing how this panicdemic has resulted in people cheering for politicians and reading newspapers we wouldn’t have touched with a barge pole a year ago.
Or even six months ago.
Empathise as an ex-Guardianista (never again!) and now (somewhat embarrassed) Tory-graph subscriber (the relentless anti-lockdown comments BTL kept me going for months along with this site)!
Handycocks Skool Rithmetic
So that’s what an excel spread sheet looks like.
Talking about spreadsheets, and taking in the most recent Excel-related absurdity, closely following the modelling madness:
Did anbody spot the irony in the fact that this is yet another one of Bill Gates’ legacies to science/civilisation?
It is a well known fact that any spreadsheet software will have a file size limit.
In the 32-bit version of Office, the maximum files size for a workbook containing a Data Model is 2 GB, and the maximum memory that can be consumed by a workbook is 4 GB. If you exceed either of these limits, the workbook cannot be saved.
Maximum Memory or File Size Exceeded – Excelsupport.microsoft.com › en-us › office › maximum-memory-or-file-size…
Yes but to be fair Diane Abbott was the teacher.
I haven’t felt so optimistic in over six months.
Well done President Trump, such a positive response.
Take heed Johnson, Hancock, Whitby and Valance.
”Don’t let it dominate you!”
Those words in that tweet hit a nail bang in it head. So few words required, just tge right ines in the right order at the right time.
V&A have announced redundancies:
https://twitter.com/Tomfool11/status/1313011610101968896
https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/1310943358211239936
What really angers me is the continued trotting out of “Covid 19” as an excuse for dire visitor numbers, abysmal figures in auxiliary services such as retail and catering. Why don’t they have the courage to say “it was the lockdown that did this” and admit that it was their cowardice and kowtowing to the government and Visit England’s Covid “safety” measures that will lead to loads of people especially those at the bottom (visitor services, tickets, retail assistants) who will bear the brunt of the job losses.?
What did you expect when the woke Tristram Hunt took over. I resigned my membership last year.
Unfortunately its not only the V&A that is in this pickle. Even where I work which I have documented its woes on its pages is also in the same boat.
That said I agree that many of these institutions were already having problems before this crisis took hold. Just look at the National Trust then followed by the British Museum and British Library among others. I seriously doubt if the directors of these institutions realise that they are simply accelerating their demise.
The National trust going bang would be one of the best things that has ever happened to this country.
What would happen to our properties in their care ?
Until the nonsense stops I, and I guess many, will not visit museums, stately homes and NT as masks and other CV stuff makes them a miserable experience.
snap
Well said. Mr Bart and I are boycotting them too and not returning until sanity prevails
I wonder if the economics of these redundencies were baked into that reopened with tiny visitor numbers per day plan back in July(?). Seems as though the top VnA brass might well have calculated as part of their opening package that staff would be layed off.
Unless they’ve been caught out by surprise that the Great British Public have decided not to go visiting when prebooking two hour visits in space suits are required.
I imagine the VnA staff will be sad to have lost their jobs.
I think its both. In order to get that “We’re Good To Go” endorsement, museums and heritage sites had to factor in reduced capacities and I suspect many top brass already knew that with reduced capacities alongside with the lack of income during the enforced closure, redundancy will be on the cards.
As someone working in the frontline, I already knew that prebooking, having to don muzzles, sanitise and follow stupid one way systems would not lead to good visitor numbers. TPTB I suspect were labouring under the delusion that people would be desperate to visit and are now panicking that the Great British Public are staying away or are refusing to do repeat visits.
I reckon they are and chances of getting a job elsewhere in he sector will be little to non-existent.
I watched Bbc news last night and there were various stories of economic woe.No one mentioned the cause of this,the lockdown and all the subsequent restriction.
Why is this?
Good question. Even when the MSM were reporting about the projected bankruptcies in the charity sector, they still blame the virus.
The narrative needs to change and now.
Every economic and social woe has been blamed by the BBC on the Worldwide Pandemic since day one rather than lunatic lockdown measures.
Not just the Beeb. All the MSM still only refers to the pandemic when lamenting business losses etc.
Sad news. The huge drop in tourism has to be a big factor, as it is for London as a whole.
It is. Both local and foreign as the London attractions all lost out due to the lack of summer holiday makers coming to the capital.
I’ve walked past various museums and visitor attractions and there are hardly any queues to the point that the barriers have been taken down and the faded social distancing stickers are not being replaced.
I live not far from the RAF Museum in NW London and seeing how its a virtual ghost town, I seriously doubt that it will survive in its present state.
I’m sure if they put on a few more exhibitions about White Privilege that will have all the visitors flocking back.
Or not. Just look at the National Trust and their slavery audit which led to more cancelled memberships.
I cancelled my NT subscription years ago when they allowed the senseless and unscientifc culling of badgers on their properties. Give all my charity money to the Wildlife Trusts and RSPB instead.
RSPB is hardly an innocent flower.
Doesn’t surprise me. I know of people who have cancelled due to the patronising interpretation in their properties and jumping on every woke bandwagon going.
Deservedly so!
I have no sympathy. They should have said to the government that Covid restrictions were unworkable. The little corner shop can’t do that but big retail, big business, theatres, museums, the CBI, FSB et, all should have protested vigorously.
Why would big museums, theatres etc protest vigorously? They are shielded from economic reality by grant moneys, so there was every incentive not to rock the boat and jeopardise their comfortable lives. Now though, they are running face-first into harsh reality.
But those of us for whom the arts are an important part of life will lose out.
Maybe life would be better if I were just a bovine consumer of nothing more taxing than ‘Enders, Corry and Californian Plonk every night!
Exactly. I work in the sector and it has angered me that their cowardice has led us into this situation. As they say united we stand, divided we fall – all the museum directors should have banded together, said no and would rather take their chances with the old normal before March 2020.
Now they are paying with their complicity.
I used to go to museums (I suppose I should say musea) quite a lot and I would usually spend a LONG time therein. My wife is similar. It is not possible to visit large museums like the Ashmolean, Fitzwilliam or the British Museum in one day; much better, in my view, to concentrate on one specific area and leave the rest for another time. But with all these restrictions (for safety they say, I never felt unsafe before) I refuse to go and it is obvious that I am not alone. Get rid of all the restrictions, face-nappies and anti-social distancing and THEN you will see visitor numbers increase. The first museum that does this and takes down ALL the patronising drivel will soon see a flood of visitors.
While we are talking about the patronising drivel, it must have cost something to (a) buy all those useless signs and (b) employ someone to put them up. Remove all of them and get civil servants to pay for them OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET. That MIGHT concentrate a few minds. Why should the taxpayer pay for this nonsense?
I know of people who have visited museums during this time and don’t stay long – they only come for a particular exhibition, don’t bother to view the permanent collection,and avoid the shops and cafes. As one visitor to where I work has asked “why do I want to stay any longer with this piece of cloth over my face?”
I broke my boycott to see the Titian exhibition (as am a member) at National Gallery and the one way system was such an abomination that I wrote them a stinging reply to a survey they sent me. I pretty much told them that it was a waste of time and if I an able bodied person was struggling with the one way route, how much more someone with mobility issues? It really, really angers me that in the name of “safety”, disabled people, those with long term illnesses and with mental health issues have been thrown under the bus.
This Trump coronavirus episode has highlighted how many sceptics are actually not so confident in their scepticism, including Toby Young.
Here we are day in day out making the case that this virus isn’t all that dangerous – little more than the flu etc… – and the moment Trump caught it it, the doom set in.
On reflection though, it’s highlighted how much of the British perception of the virus has been shaped by Boris Johnson’s experience with it. Him catching it and having such a bad time of it probably did more to frighten the British public than anything else.
Let’s hope the Trump experience, which is actually the more normal one based on the statistics, has the opposite effect now. Hopefully. everyone in the White House catching and shaking it off will snap the world out of its psychosis.
Go Trump!
Trump trumps the doom mongers. The Donald is back in the ring.
Unfortunately, from a brief reading of some comments elsewhere, I’m not sure that will shake the hardened Trump hater out of their dream. And I say that as a hardened Trump hater – who can also read, think, and analyse information, and adapt accordingly.
Trump is a polarising figure and that’s not going to change because he “survives” covid.
It isn’t but it might persuade enough swing voters in swing states to vote for him. I cannot abide the man either, I hasten to add but I think he is going to win this election.
Johnson was at least 30kg’s overweight. His obesity has been widely underestimated 17 stone plus at 5 9 is dangerous territory with any viral illness and top 1% in population obesity.
What Trump’s recovery should do is reduce fear with people in the late 60’s and 70’s with no pre-existing medical issues. Most are in better shape than Trump, who had high blood pressure pre China Virus..
Also this winter hopefully more bespoke treatment plans, rather than one size fits all will be more prevalent through some NHS Trusts than April.
Do you believe the Doris ‘touch and go’ serious illness?
I don’t.
I think the “brush with death” story is total bollox.
the doom set in only because of the worry that despite our scepticism about how dangerous covid is supposed to be, there was always a possibility that Trump could be seriously ill, given his age. Had that happened then it would have been a real setback to scepticism as this would have been used by the lockdowners.
As it is, Trump’s infection was mild, as we thought it would be.
I think people are actually confident in their scepticism. Toby didn’t wobble but his tone recognised that if anything did happen to Trump (no matter how small the likelihood) it would be extremely damaging to our cause. The MSM are going to twist the facts to promote even more hysteria
Making children safe in schools. The whole thing is absolute nonsense. A neighbour’s two grandchildren go to the same school, a child in the younger ones class of 3 year olds contracted the virus and the whole class has to isolate for 14 days now. Yet the older grandchild can go to school and the parents don’t need to isolate. What is the point?
Ha, yeah. My daughter and one of her friends are in different ‘bubbles’ at school. They are both with the same childminder two mornings a week who takes them to school together but has to drop them off at different entrances! Farcical!
Yep, we’ve had exactly the same. But I’ve long since given up on trying to rationalise the irrational.
Here is a nice explanation of the maths of whether you are or or not infected if you test positive – and the chance if you test positive a second time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13BD8qKeTg
Good one. Thanks!
Ivor Cummins posted a new video focusing on the UK situation: URGENT UPDATE: Societal Damage from Bad Science, not the Virus? Why are they doing this?
The usual calm, measured review of statistics that I love from Ivor. I donate a little money to him when I can to keep him going. He’s really a light in the darkness.
He’s promoting the hashtag #WhyAreTheyDoingThis as a place to promote evidence to counter the scare stories. I’m thinking about setting up a Twitter account just to post links to articles I’m reading and I hate Twitter.
#WhyAreTheyDoingThis was trending nicely yesterday. Cue the demands from the usual suspects for twitter to ban it.
I’d advise against it. Being on Twitter is like swimming in sewage.
I know. It’s definitely a sewer. But as someone who can’t go to demonstrations, I’ve got to do something. I post regularly on the Daily Mail and occasionally on the Guardian (when I can stomach it).
Plus, walking down the street is like swimming in sewage these days. More masked zombies outside now.
I set up a twitter account recently just to be another anti lockdown voice on the forum as it seems to have such a large effect on policy and the national conversation.
Hope matt can post details of his ‘interesting WhatsApp conversation’! My curiosity has been piqued.
(For those who don’t know, yesterday a member on here called matt referred to a WhatsApp conversation he had with a friend who intimated that there ‘may be light at the end of the tunnel before Christmas’).
Edit: Just seen that he said he couldn’t share… damn. Well, I’ll be keeping my ears to the ground for any interesting developments in the next few weeks…
I saw that thread too … come on, I know I’m a bit slow, but please let on!
matt is a sensible poster who should be taken seriously.
Yes that got my brain whirring too, Poppy. I can’t imagine any one thing that would allow us all to start to undo all the damage but any reason to be hopeful is welcome.
Yes, sorry. I can’t quote something I’ve been asked to keep in confidence. I’ll be happy to express it as opinion here and there, though. I should say that this isn’t absolutely a silver bullet, but it does suggest there’s a timetable and hope for the near-ish future, and hope for the future is more than I had yesterday morning.
Trump is definitely the superior candidate in the US for me. However it’s a low bar over there (as it is here). I can’t rule out that for me there’s a reasonable possibility the Covid stuff with Trump has been orchestrated or amplified in a particular way to boost his apparently flagging campaign. Probably not, but the thought has crossed my mind a number of times. Anyway. If his campaign on Covid is based on ‘living without fear; we’ve got to live our lives’, then that’s fantastic. I can only hope it influences things over here. I don’t see UK government changing direction – they’re way too deep and it’s the fallacy of sunk costs; they’ve staked far too much on their covid response to change direction. It’ll have to come from parliament or the public. Maybe the votes today and tomorrow will be a pushback – although I should say I absolutely don’t trust Steve Baker, he’s on the right side at the moment but he’s a total flake in my view (where was he for the last six months?) and not someone to be relied upon. I also would point out that Trump is not out of the… Read more »
As ever I think the polls are nonsense. Biden is an old creep with young children, despite the media not wanting to talk about it its now well known in the populace.
The Democrats are a toxic party far too aligned with identity politics. The silent majority can’t stand this attack on their culture I suspect a trump win again.
I wouldn’t worry about Trump’s health, somehow I don’t think he’s got a real problem. Trump may well be better than Biden but I wouldn’t vote for either of them, even if I could.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-coronavirus-symptom-skin-rash-4576736?fbclid=IwAR2aKHa-6PSZl0WTaECS9m1DvFI3rOP3WuVFl1924T2TaJ6TvRpnoZydpVs
This is getting ridiculous, most viral illnesses can cause a rash, particularly in children.
They’re now really scrapping the bottom of the barrel with this.
Why don’t they just come out and say that being alive is a symptom of Covid 19? Its now reaching the point where one thinks that this virus is simply being made up to justify this continuing march to authoritarianism.
Nothing new, though. There was plenty of press coverage about this months back.
I saw someone claim that diarrhoea and vomiting is a symptom. Yes, breathing is a symptom of covid.
Vomiting is a symbol of Coronascepticism, triggered by sight of nappied zombies, government morons, etc.
Earlier in the year, after a bout of cold/cough over Christmas, I had persistent nettle rash (urticaria). I mentioned it to my GP (the last time I saw a doctor face to face) at my annual review in March and he wasn’t interested. Still suspect I had the nasty back then.
Daily Reminder .. Local press propagate BBC/Government covid lies and propaganda
BBC employ 149 journalists embedded in local press
The Leicester Mercury and sister papers Nottingham Post and Derby Telegraph have 5 embedded BBC reporters. See page 6
It’s is very odd indeed how topsy turvy this year has been.
But the crowning glory of just how messed up the world has become:
From the minute Trump said he was running i said he’s win. It was obvious. The way the media lie about him have exposed their agenda and now everyone who works for the MSM has been shown to be the lying, corrupt deep state stooges they are. All these celebrities, actors, musicians and such who support the government line have been exposed. The problem is the child killing death cult that rules over us won’t let go without a fight. I’d hazard a guess, and i might be wrong, but i’d say if you’re surprised by the idea that vote for Trump is a vote for freedom then you haven’t been paying attention. It is bizarre that such a man would turn out to be the saviour of the west, but he’s not saved us yet. We still need these evil fucks in the old government, the media liars and the corporate shills dealt with. The people who watch and believe the BBC scare me the most, they think they know what’s going on but they are so brainwashed that they’d go from passive tv watchers to putting a bullet in your head if asked to do so. We truly… Read more »
Look we made an illogical fear and blind obedience and VIRTUE! And any logical or skeptical though a HERESY! This is the world we live in and will be for a long ,long time.