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by Will Jones
8 October 2020 10:17 AM

Second Lockdown For Scotland

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon yesterday announced new restrictions in Scotland – a new lockdown in all but name. Christopher Snowdon is not impressed in the Spectator.

So now we know the threshold at which Nicola Sturgeon pulls the trigger. If the number of daily hospital admissions for Covid-19 exceeds a tenth of the number recorded at the April peak, she will lay waste to the hospitality industry. From Friday, all pubs and licensed restaurants in Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Lanarkshire, Forth Valley, Lothian and Ayrshire and Arran – where two-thirds of Scots live – will be forced to shut their doors for at least 16 days. So too will snooker clubs, casinos, bowling alleys and bingo halls.

In the rest of Scotland, pubs and restaurants will be allowed to serve food and soft drinks – but not alcohol – until 6pm. Cafés which don’t have an alcohol licence can also stay open until 6pm. Hotel restaurants will be permitted to open beyond 6pm but only for residents and, again, only without alcohol.

Repressive stuff, and with a whiff of prohibition and temperance. And it’s only October.

The pub industry is keen to point out that only 5% of Covid infections take place in the hospitality sector, and there is certainly a sense of the trade being made a scapegoat. But Sturgeon had little else left to ban. Scots were already forbidden from mixing at home with people from outside their household. The rule of six applied outside, albeit with an exemption for children aged under 12. The whole UK had – and has – a 10pm ‘curfew’.

Sturgeon is insistent that the new regulations do not amount to a second lockdown, but with only shops and schools left open, it seems awfully close to one – and there are still six months of cold weather to go. Given the prominence in the Scottish media of ‘Zero Covid’ idealists and anti-alcohol academics, Scots shouldn’t get their hopes up about the ‘circuit breaker’ ending on October 25th.

Scotland has only had around one Covid death each day this week, Snowdon points out. “However else you might describe this strategy, it is not learning to live with the virus,” he says.

Worth reading in full.

One other point: If the SNP had got its way in 2014 and Scotland was now an independent country, Nic Sturge-un would not be able to lay waste to the Scottish economy in this way. It is only because almost all taxes are collected (and money borrowed) nationally – and the Scots are bailed out by the English each year – that she can get away with it.

Stop Press: Bars and cafés in Brussels were closed for a month yesterday. New York has begun imposing new local lockdowns, largely in Jewish neighbourhoods, where a strong opposition is developing.

Pressure Mounts For New Lockdown in England

A large rise in “cases” over the past week, especially in the North of England, has led to calls for new nationwide restrictions in England. The Times has more.

Surging coronavirus infection rates have put Britain on the brink of tougher lockdown measures, overshadowing Boris Johnson’s attempt yesterday to focus on life after the pandemic.

The Government’s scientific advisers called for “urgent and drastic action” after cases doubled in 11 days to 14,542 and deaths doubled to 76 in the same period.

Hospital admissions in England jumped by a quarter in one day and ministers are scrambling to find a way to bring down cases in the North West amid concerns about the ability of the health service to cope over winter in infection hotspots.

Rates in Manchester have doubled in a week to more than 500 cases per 100,000 people. Liverpool and Newcastle are close behind with rates increasing by more than 50 per cent in seven days.

However, Manchester has already been in local lockdown since July 31st and Newcastle since September 18th. In fact, as Labour leader Keir Starmer put to Boris Johnson at PMQs yesterday, 19 out of the 20 places with local restrictions have seen cases surge, often much more than places without additional restrictions. The answer, according to lockdown zealots? Harsher restrictions, obviously.

However, Professor Calum Semple of the University of Liverpool, a member of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage), said that a “circuit-breaker” lockdown was already overdue, urging ministers to impose one rapidly to squash the epidemic.

“Perhaps a circuit-breaker a couple of weeks ago would have been a really good idea,” he told Today on BBC Radio 4, speaking in a personal capacity.

“It’s always easier to reduce an outbreak at the earlier stage than to let it run and then try to reduce it at a later stage. So, yes, circuit-breakers are certainly something we should be thinking about on a national basis.” …

Professor John Edmunds, a member of Sage, said local measures had failed and more stringent lockdown restrictions were required. “These local restrictions that have been put in place in much of the north of England really haven’t been very effective,” he told BBC’s Newsnight. “We need to take much more stringent measures, not just in the north of England, we need to do it countrywide, and bring the epidemic back under control.”

He added that the Government’s “light touch” measures were “delaying the inevitable”. “We will at some point put very stringent measures in place because we will have to when hospitals start to really fill up,” he said. “Frankly, the better strategy is to put them in place now,” he said. …

Sir Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust and another Sage member, pointed to the recent struggles of intensive care units in the south of France to urge tougher action now. “A fudge will neither deliver an open economy nor save lives,” he wrote on Twitter.

Matt Keeling, of the University of Warwick, a member of the government’s SPI-M modelling group, said: “We are now at a time where most measures of the epidemic are increasing exponentially. Urgent and drastic national-scale action is required if we are to re-establish control.”

The call for nationwide action is curious, seeing as the second ripple appears already to have peaked in London and the South and is slowing in the Midlands. The biggest worry is the North West, which currently has nine times as many Covid patients as the South East, and where patient numbers have doubled in two weeks to 996 on Tuesday. That is about a third of the peak there of 2,980 on April 13th, with no sign yet of slowing down.

Its hospitals are not in immediate danger but ministers believe that cases must be brought down to avoid them struggling with large numbers of elderly Covid patients at the height of winter. Local action is still preferred, and a shutdown of pubs and restaurants is being planned as the top level of a “three-tier” lockdown system that could be announced tomorrow. The system has yet to be finalised, with sources saying that it was “stuck in No 10”. National action has not been ruled out.

Chris Hopson, head of the hospitals’ group NHS Providers, urged Mr Johnson to be willing to “adopt appropriately tough local lockdown measures wherever the virus is spreading in a way that could jeopardise the NHS’s ability to cope”. He said that if cases continued to rise “in areas where tough lockdown measures have already been in place for some time, that may well suggest that the existing approach is insufficient”.

However, as Nick Triggle points out on the BBC website, only about 3% of hospital beds nationwide are currently occupied by Covid patients, and with the woeful lack of other healthcare being provided by the NHS, there is no shortage of room. He writes: “But none of this is exceptional at this time of year – especially the closer we get to winter. Admissions for respiratory illnesses can double from late summer to the peak in December and January.”

Triggle also points out that hospital Covid cases in Spain and France have slowed in recent weeks.

Unfortunately, he repeats the claim that this drop-off is a result of additional restrictions, which is easily disproved. Data for Spain from the Carlos III Health Institute show cases by date of symptom onset peaking before the end of August, well ahead of any new restrictions. Given that areas with local lockdowns in England have, conversely, seen surges, the evidence for the efficacy of lockdowns in controlling COVID-19 outbreaks is entirely mythical.

This is a point born out by science journalist John Tierney in a detailed analysis of the effect of lockdowns across the world in City Journal.

While the economic and social costs have been enormous, it’s not clear that the lockdowns have brought significant health benefits beyond what was achieved by people’s voluntary social distancing and other actions. Some researchers have credited lockdowns with slowing the pandemic, but they’ve relied on mathematical models with assumptions about people’s behavior and the virus’s tendency to spread—the kinds of models and assumptions that previously produced wild overestimates of how many people would die during the pandemic. Other researchers have sought more direct evidence, looking at mortality patterns. They have detected little impact.

In a comparison of 50 countries, a team led by Rabail Chaudhry of the University of Toronto found that Covid was deadlier in places with older populations and higher rates of obesity, but the mortality rate was no lower in countries that closed their borders or enforced full lockdowns. After analyzing 23 countries and 25 U.S. states with widely varying policies, Andrew Atkeson of UCLA and fellow economists found that the mortality trend was similar everywhere once the disease took hold: the number of daily deaths rose rapidly for 20 to 30 days, and then fell rapidly.

Similar conclusions were reached in analyses of Covid deaths in Europe. By studying the time lag between infection and death, Simon Wood of the University of Edinburgh concluded that infections in Britain were already declining before the nation’s lockdown began in late March. In an analysis of Germany’s 412 counties, Thomas Wieland of the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology found that infections were waning in most of the country before the national lockdown began and that the additional curfews imposed in Bavaria and other states had no effect.

Tierney concludes:

The lockdowns may have been justified in the spring, when so little was known about the virus and the ways to contain it. But now that we know more, there’s no ethical justification for continuing this failed experiment.

Yet ministers are once again faced with calls from their scientific advisers to impose illiberal and ruinous restrictions on the nation so as not to “jeopardise the NHS’s ability to cope” and to “avoid them struggling with large numbers of elderly Covid patients at the height of winter”. Isn’t this what the Nightingale hospitals are for? It would certainly be far cheaper and proportionate to expand the winter health service capacity than force tens of thousands of businesses to close – with many going bankrupt as a consequence – and once again imprison the entire population in their homes.

The truth is this. The health service is always stretched in the winter. Hospitalisations and deaths from respiratory illness caused by various endemic viruses always increase from September onwards towards a winter peak. A new university year always causes a spike in viral infections amongst students. There is nothing unusual about any of this. The fact that the second ripple in the South of England appears already to have peaked without additional restrictions suggests the same will shortly be true in the North.

Widespread immunity and resistance prevents COVID-19 pulling off a repeat of the spring. Time we stopped panicking every time something normal happens just because we’re watching it closely.

Stop Press: A new study from Edinburgh University published in the BMJ suggests herd immunity could have saved more lives than lockdown. Researchers from Edinburgh have reassessed Prof Neil Ferguson’s modelling that showed half a million people would die in the “do nothing” scenario. They estimate that keeping children out of classrooms will mean deaths of between 80,000 and 95,000. Likewise, social distancing of everyone, rather than just the over-70s, could eventually cost between 149,000 and 178,000 lives. The Telegraph has a summary.

How Reliable Are Rising Case Numbers?

Today we’re publishing an original article on Lockdown Sceptics by four scientists at Queen Mary University – two professors, a post-doc and a reader – casting doubt on the “evidence” that we’re in the midst of a deadly second wave.

The massive increase in ‘new cases’ is almost completely explained by factors that have nothing to do with an increasing population health risk. New cases are simply the count of those who get a positive test result. But almost all of those – as can be seen from the university student ‘cases’ – are either asymptomatic or false positives., i.e. they do not – and will not – show any symptoms of a ‘COVID-19 illness’. Nor will they ‘spread the virus’ to others.

Also, contrary to widely believed assumptions, there is no ‘gold standard’ test for COVID-19. A diagnostic process, namely PCR, has been used, but since the outbreak there has been no attempt to determine its accuracy. It might be shocking to find that research on lab grown ‘live’ cultures of the virus, taken from patients, had not been published until early August – eight months after the virus outbreak. These have been used to assess the accuracy of PCR and the results are not good. It has been shown it is possible to return a positive PCR test where a sample taken from the same patient never grows a viral culture – meaning the patient does not have an active COVID-19 infection despite the positive PCR test. The implications of this for the false positive rate of PCR tests are obvious and significant.

The other obvious explanation for the increase in number of ‘cases’ is that far more people are being tested – 280,000 per day now compared to 10,000 at the peak in March. So, while there are twice the number of ‘new cases’ per day now compared to the March peak, the number of ‘new cases’ per 1000 people tested now is actually only ONE-TENTH of that in the March peak (45 compared to 450).

The authors of this piece are Professor Norman Fenton is the Professor of Risk and Information Management, School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, Queen Mary University of London; Dr. Scott McLachlan is a Postdoctoral Research Assistant, School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, Queen Mary University of London; Professor Martin Neil is the Professor of Computer Science and Statistics, School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, Queen Mary University of London; and Dr. Magda Osman is a Reader in Experimental Cognitive Psychology, School of Biological and Chemical Sciences, Queen Mary University of London.

Very much worth reading in full.

Scientists’ Petition Smashes 100,000 Signatures

Prof Jay Bhattacharya interviewed by Julia Hartley-Brewer

The Great Barrington Declaration initiated by Prof Sunetra Gupta, Prof Martin Kulldorff and Prof Jay Bhattacharya on Sunday, advocating “Focused Protection” of the vulnerable over indiscriminate lockdowns, has now got over 10,000 signatures from scientists and medical practitioners and over 95,000 from the general public. (Please sign it here.)

The BBC ran a story on it yesterday, and included some criticism.

While clearly “well intentioned”, the declaration has profound ethical, logistical and scientific flaws, University of Leeds School of Medicine associate professor Dr Stephen Griffin says.

The vulnerable come from all walks of life and deserve to be “treated equally”.

And “long Covid” is reported to have left even people mild infections with problems such as fatigue and joint pain for months.

University of Reading cellular biology expert Dr Simon Clarke, meanwhile, says whether herd immunity is even achievable remains unclear.

“Natural, lasting, protective immunity to the disease would be needed,” he says.

“And we don’t know how effective or long-lasting people’s post-infection immunity will be.”

Some say the most likely scenario is immunity is not long-term but future reinfections then become milder.

All these criticisms are taken from an article on the Science Media Centre site entitled “Expert reaction to Barrington Declaration“. The Science Media Centre was set up in 2002 “to renew public trust in science”, yet every single “expert” it has quoted on the Great Barrington Declaration condemns it. Such one-sided support for the pro-lockdown, wait-for-the-vaccine status quo seems unlikely to restore public confidence in science, particularly when you look at who the most generous sponsors of the Centre are: AstraZeneca, Merck Sharp & Dohme (MSD) Limited, Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline.

These criticisms are very weak and easily countered. That people “deserve to be treated equally” is not a reason to reject an effective public health strategy based on scientific evidence of differing levels of risk for different groups. The period of differential treatment is also envisaged to be short – a matter of months before the non-vulnerable population achieves herd immunity.

Long Covid appears to be a serious issue for a few, but it is unlikely that a rational cost-benefit analysis would conclude that the costs and harms imposed on society by lockdowns are warranted just for that risk alone. Lockdown Sceptics published a detailed analysis of that risk by an epidemiologist and a retired Professor of Forensic and Biological Anthropology and concluded it had been exaggerated.

Regarding whether immunity fades over time, all the “experts” quoted in the Science Media Centre blog claim it doesn’t last but there’s very little evidence for that assertion. Dr Mike Yeadon, Lockdown Sceptics contributor and former head of R&D at Pfizer, has told us the “immunity fades” argument doesn’t stack up.

We don’t know that immunity to the coronavirus wanes over time. While circulating antibody levels wanes over time, that does not mean the individual loses protection. In fact, it’s not only expected but the rule rather than the exception that this occurs. Consider the serum in which those antibodies are dissolved. If you had to keep in circulation a high concentration of antibodies against everything to which your body had immunity, there wouldn’t be room for your blood cells! What keeps you protected are the memory cells of your immune system, T-cells which orchestrate accelerated responses if ever you encounter the virus again and B-cells which rapidly expand and secrete fresh antibodies when needed. We know by studying cells in those who survived SARS in 2003 that their T-cell memory is present and vigorous, 17 years later.

While a tiny number of apparent re-infections have been recorded, I don’t think a single case of serious illness has resulted from such a re-infection. The more relevant statistic is that of the 750,000,000 people which the WHO has estimated have so far been infected, 99.999% of them have not been re-infected. That’s why the pandemic is self limiting wherever low interventions have been chosen (e.g. Sweden, Malawi), or have otherwise occurred despite best efforts (e.g. the UK).

Herd immunity is without any doubt the force responsible for bringing the spring pandemic under control. Lockdown started after the rate of infection had already begun to fall as grumpily acknowledged by Prof Whitty to a select committee in July. Once this is appreciated, a candidate is required to explain how a rapidly expanding pandemic was converted into one which was expanding ever more slowly until it stopped expanding. No one has put forward a single alternative force than diminished remaining % susceptibility in the population, aka ‘herd immunity’.

One further point: if herd immunity isn’t achievable because antibodies fade, leaving those who have them vulnerable over time, then that also rules out an effective vaccine. In truth, all the evidence indicates that, with these kinds of viruses, infection adds considerably to the body’s resistance to the virus making reinfections much less likely and, when they do occur, either mild or asymptomatic.

Stop Press: Watch Prof Jay Bhattacharya being interviewed on talkRADIO about the Declaration here. And Prof Sunetra Gupta has an op-ed making her case in the Telegraph.

Government Defrauded For £26 BILLION and Counting

The National Audit Office has estimated that more than half of the loans under the Government’s pandemic “Bounce Back” scheme may be fraudulent. Matthew Lynn in the Spectator has more.

We learned today that the ‘Bounce Back’ loan scheme may well have been defrauded to the tune of £26 billion – serious cash even for a Government that has recently discovered the magic money tree. According to a report from the National Audit Office there were so few checks in place when the scheme was hurriedly put together that it was simple for fraudsters to set up a company in a borrowed name, take out a state guaranteed loan, and then disappear with the cash before anyone knew what was happening.

We will find out just how many of the loans were fraudulent when repayment is finally demanded. But the NAO reckons it is more than half of them. The colossal sums of money stolen were more than the entire amount spent on police and prisons every year (which seems a shame, since they might be busy with all the fraud going on), or the total dished out to students in loans annually. In other words, it was a lot.

And that may be just the tip of the iceberg once you add in all the misuse of furlough, start-up rescue packages and Eat Out to Help Out. Does this help explain why the public was so supportive of the lockdown?

Worth reading Matthew Lynn’s piece in full.

Fake NHS App Fools Bars and Restaurants

An enterprising individual has built an app that creates a fake check-in confirmation screen to fool door staff. Vice has more.

First developed for the Android operating system, and later made available to iPhone users as a browser-based service, the app allows users to type in the name of a venue to generate a false check-in page, which can be used to gain entry without scanning a QR code or providing contact information.

“A little present for you and your friends,” read one message forwarded to several Telegram channels used by anti-lockdown activists. “Fake track and trace, as London was a nightmare to get into places and we was refused entry in nearly all places without abiding to track and trace, which I’m sure left us all with no entry at all… if you click the link before entering it will show that you have checked in on your screen. It will always change date times for you. Enjoy.”

Shamefully, however, Vice has doxxed the app’s creator – a Nordic walking instructor and herbal medicine practitioner based in South Wales. That’s extraordinary, not least because Vice routinely publishes articles in which it protects the identity of drug dealers and other law breakers. In Vice‘s view, if you sell illegal drugs you deserve anonymity, but if you develop an app that enables people to evade state surveillance you deserve to go to jail.

Fiddling the Hospital Figures

A senior doctor has got in touch with a warning about the hospital data being pumped out across the media to persuade us we’re in the midst of a deadly “second wave”.

Something to watch out for – Boris, Hancock and so on have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t backtrack and say they made a mistake in crashing the economy. They need the figures to show some justification for their approach and provide a ladder to eventually climb down. It’s inconceivable that they will acknowledge error in decision making.

As you know, medical figures can be presented in such a way as to resemble virtually anything – the PCR false positive saga being a case in point.

Hospital admission data are harder to fiddle with, but not impossible. For example, the definition of “patients in intensive care” can be widened to include not just patients on a ventilator but patients needing oxygen by CPAP mask as well, or even just oxygen by venturi face mask – this can make it look like there are a greater number of more severely ill patients than in fact there are.

Hospital admission data can also be “reclassified” – by lowering the criteria for admission, for example. Or by including all patients who attended A&E, even if they were subsequently sent home without spending a night in hospital.

Or the definition of Covid patients in hospital can be widened to include people who have had a positive test for Covid while being admitted for something else and are showing no Covid symptoms (in other words, an incidental finding).

There are many other ways of presenting the data to make the epidemic look more serious than it actually is – watch out for these tricks in the coming days. I have seen all of these methods used in the past in other settings.

“Keep Your Mask On Between Bites,” says California Governor

Gavin Newsom, the Governor of California, has tweeted that if people go out to eat they should wear a mask “in between bites”. Fox News has the story.

Going out to eat with members of your household this weekend? Don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites.

Do your part to keep those around you healthy. #SlowtheSpreadhttps://t.co/snYe5v55Rw pic.twitter.com/Y4fcDO5Zke

— California Governor (@CAgovernor) October 3, 2020

For emphasis, the tweet shows an image of someone at a dining seat wearing a mask, then not wearing a mask while taking a bite, and then putting the mask on again.

However, the image then advises people to “minimise the number of times you take your mask off”.

The Governor appears to be unaware that one of the reasons masks are so poor at preventing infection is because people keep touching them. Indeed, his tweet would seem to contradict the message of the image he shared with it, which appears to encourage the removal of the mask for the duration of the meal (hence picking up the napkin in the third picture). With such absurd and extreme virtue-signalling in play, have we reached peak mask?

Postcard From Naples

Lockdown Sceptics reader James Hardy has just got back from Naples and highly recommends it.

My girlfriend and I have just returned from a wonderful week in Italy, taking in Naples and Sorrento. As Italy is one of the few places one can currently travel to without fear of Grant Shapps’s dart resulting in a quarantine, it was a no-brainer to head off for a well-needed week away.

We flew from Heathrow Terminal 5 (warning to fellow sceptics: check-in took ages with only a fraction of the self-checkout machines open). British Airways, it must be said, was fantastic and relatively relaxed. I of course made my crisps and water last the entire flight – thank you James Delingpole for that.

Naples was a joy. The Italian police were pretty unrelenting in reminding people to wear masks, but the moment they drove past everyone reverted back to warming their chins. The bars and restaurants were all open and busy with no ridiculous 10pm curfew. With everywhere offering outside dining/drinking, it was even more chilled-out with the Campari sodas flowing at about three euros a pop. The streets were buzzing, just the right number of locals and tourists, the weather wasn’t too shoddy either.

I implore every reader to head to Naples and dart down to Sorrento which was paradise compared with London. Good weather, relaxed locals, busy squares and packed pizzerias. You were obliged to wear a mask in shops. However, the bars, cafes and restaurants were completely normal. Everyone gave us a warm welcome wherever we went, with the obligatory free limoncello at every hour of the day.  

If the rest of Italy is like Sorrento, then book your flight now, some fantastic deals, great food, and the tail-end of some mid-20s sunshine.

Round-Up

  • “A dose of the old normal in mask-free Sweden” – Oliver Smith in the Telegraph is making us very jealous
  • “Another vindication of Sweden” – Further confirmation that their approach paid dividends for the economy in spiked
  • “‘All clear’ Covid ‘passports’ aim to let air travellers bypass quarantine” – Telegraph report about an idea (slightly) more sensible than universal quarantine
  • “When killing people is Government policy” – Hard hitting piece from Peter Lloyd in Conservative Woman
  • “Corona, civil disobedience and Laurel & Hardy” – Sean Walsh in the Article wonders if the time has come for conscience to take charge
  • “The 1984 Special Edition” – The latest episode of the Real Normal podcast has an Orwellian flavour
  • “My husband died of cancer – but it was the pandemic that really killed him” – The Times with another of the thousands of personal tragedies caused by lockdown
  • “NHS coronavirus test labs could run out of supplies within days” – So much for 10 million a day if they can’t even manage 300,000, from the Times
  • “Blow to Oxford vaccine as US trial faces further delay” – The cavalry is delayed yet again, says the Times. But since the vaccine is not being tested to prevent infection or death, does it matter?
  • “GlaxoSmithKline tells staff to turn off Covid app at work” – The BBC with further reasons for thinking the app won’t work
  • “Crimes Against Humanity” – A second chance to hear from the lawyers bringing a major class action lawsuit against the WHO and others over lockdowns, for those who missed it first time (quite a few judging by the number who have emailed us with the link)
  • “ANOTHER 10 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic” – Great new rundown from the OffGuardian
  • “Tories will pay a catastrophic price if they continue to crush the young” – The usual dose of good sense from Allister Heath in the Telegraph
  • “The harm in hate-crime laws” – Joanna Williams in Spiked warns that the Scottish Hate Crime bill is a precursor of things to come in England and Wales

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Boy in the Bubble” by Paul Simon, “Nicola’s Nits” by Nick Cope and “Hit The North” by The Fall.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the 100 Great Black Britons, with some striking omissions, and telling inclusions. Rakib Ehsan in spiked has the details.

To mark Black History Month, a new campaign called 100 Great Black Britons has been launched. The brainchild of Windrush campaigner Patrick Vernon and historian Dr Angelina Osborne, the list, according to the Guardian, “celebrates high-achieving black British individuals over the past 400 years”. But there are some remarkable omissions here.

For instance, the list doesn’t include two of the finest news broadcasters in modern British history – Sir Trevor McDonald, who was knighted in 1999 for his services to journalism, and Moira Stuart OBE, who earlier this year received the Broadcasting Press Guild’s Harvey Lee award in recognition of her five decades in the industry. Other notable people who don’t appear include Welsh singing legend Dame Shirley Bassey and charismatic culinary icon Ainsley Harriott.

Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton is one of only a few sportspeople to make the list, which probably has as much to do with his recent Black Lives Matter ‘activism’ as his considerable achievements. Meanwhile, Welsh rugby-league legends Billy Boston and Clive Sullivan are left out. And even though black Brits have made outstanding contributions to the game of football, the likes of Viv Anderson and John Barnes also did not make the cut. Nor did Laurie Cunningham, Daley Thompson or Dame Jessica Ennis-Hill.

The most egregious omission, says Ehsan, is cricketer and anti-discrimination advocate Sir Learie Constantine, who was knighted in 1962 and became Britain’s first black peer in 1969. On the other hand, there is room for Labour MPs Dawn Butler and David Lammy, and Guardian-regular, Professor of Black Studies and author of The Psychosis of Whiteness (really) Kehinde Andrews. Andrews recently described Trevor Phillips (also not included) as an embodiment of the “modern day Uncle Tom“, and said “ministers with brown skin wearing Tory masks represents the opposite of racial progress”.

Read Ehsan’s piece in full here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: Italy is making masks compulsory outside, in the latest evidence-free lunacy.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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And Finally…

Boris’s human shield

Toby’s Spectator column today is about Matt Hancock, who’s continuing survival is a modern political miracle.

Matt Hancock has come under so much fire since the beginning of March there’s been speculation that Boris Johnson is only keeping him in the cabinet as a human shield. Whenever the government makes another unforced error, Hancock is pushed out in front of the media and forced to stand there and take it as brickbats are hurled at him. It’s hard to imagine why the Health Secretary is being kept on life support if it’s not to soak up as much blame as possible so he can be sacrificed when things get so bad the public demands blood. Some think that might not be until the official inquiry pronounces its verdict, which is bound to be withering. But surely he can’t last that long?

Toby summarises the recent Amnesty International report into the Government’s care homes policy, pointing out there were 28,186 excess deaths recorded in English care homes from March 2nd to June 12th, with 9,624 making no mention of “novel coronavirus” on the death certificate.

When the country was locked down, far fewer people than normal were treated for heart attacks, cancer, strokes and diabetes, and dementia deaths increased by 50 per cent. Many care home residents will have died as a result of enforced isolation, their only social contact being with tired and overworked staff wearing masks, face shields and plastic overalls.

I’m not saying Matt Hancock is to blame for any of these deaths, but if the buck doesn’t stop with the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, who does it stop with? Incredibly, though, the media hasn’t paid much attention to the Amnesty report so Hancock hasn’t been damaged by it. But the goodwill of the public is gradually being exhausted and it won’t be long before it’s time for Boris to initiate Operation Scapegoat.

Worth reading in full.

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Arkus
Arkus
5 years ago

woo hoo

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  Arkus

Harrowing suicide figures reveal toll on Victorians

Sky News Australia host Peta Credlin says by the end of 2020 there could be more people lost to suicide in Victoria than to coroanvirus.

And we know this terrible tragedy is happening here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTuPh8Rb2I

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ikaraki
ikaraki
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Sorry, but going to call this one out. Sky News Australia have corrupted the data somewhat (something of a recurring theme these days).

In the report linked below the year to date (October) number of suicides in Victoria are reported as follows;

2016 – 489
2017 – 501
2018 – 520
2019 – 534
2020 – 530

As can be seen, last year has more suicides to date. FYI, seems the deaths with / from COVID-19 / Coronavirus is being report as about 800 for Victoria.

Coroners Court of Victoria Report.

I believe more fair application of critical thinking, it needs applied to both sides of the argument.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  ikaraki

Depends when they count the year end.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago

Yay!

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Fight for liberty. Get it whilst it’s hot!

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Have you considered doing sheets of stickers? This approach works for Extinction Rebellion. They can be subtly placed all over the place without drawing unwanted attention to the person placing them. We need to fact bomb the sheeple. They can also be placed without permission and are difficult to remove.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

You can stickers of the design from Redbubble, but they’re not cost effective for a mass-marketing campaign.

I did some basic research into print-on-demand stickers, but was put off by the lack of cost transparency. Besides, day-by-day I keep changing my mind as to what the message should be.

Maybe as a community we could come up with a small of set of principles that we can easily articulate, something along the lines of Martin Luther’s theses (ninety five is probably overkill).

To get us going, how about:

  1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
  2. The PCR is fatally flawed: viral prevalence is not disease prevalence.
  3. Masks do not protect against viruses.
  4. Lockdown has already caused a greater loss of life years than COVID-19.
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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Great idea. But

viral prevalence is not disease prevalence | loss of life years

are possibly outside a lot of people’s brain power. Think Sun readers.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I know intelligent educated people who unfortunately get all their info from the Beeb and experience severe cognitive dissonance with that one.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

As public trust in the legacy media, including the BBC, is at an all time low, I’m surprised anyone is getting their information from the Beeb, and that includes their former employees…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlQP6YJIgHI

Former BBC Presenter Sue Cook on switching off the BBC News – 7 October 2020

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

You are dead right. I just couldn’t think of anything pithier that was still truthful. This is why we need to hammer the matter out on the anvil of community opinion. Many eyes make all bugs shallow. My plan is to create the smallest set of statements that represent the beliefs of this community. Each statement must be falsifiable. It must not be a matter of faith. Once we have our statements, we can print them on a placard and stand in the street and say, “This is what I believe: change my mind.” Everyone loves to knock down someone else’s ideas, so let them try. Let them find the proof that we are wrong. And when they can’t find that proof, they are going to have to confront the fact that they have been misled. (Disclosure: I’m shamelessly stealing this approach from How to Have Impossible Conversations. The principle is that people very rarely change their minds when confronted by facts that disagree with their beliefs, and that the way to change their minds is to make them question how they came to believe what they believe. Making people search for proof is one way to make it clear… Read more »

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

For stickers –

Masking kids = child abuse.

Masks do not work (unless you’re trying to look like a twat.).

It’s not about the virus !

Handcock is a &x!&%$*

Unjust laws compel disobedience.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

And WHY do people still wear these bits of Chinese paper? If they MUST cover up, why not do it with a scarf?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I suggested yesterday that you should not be alone. Secondly, suggest a group patrol centre of town, keeping one another in sight.

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Guy Evans
Guy Evans
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

How about “if your mask is effective, why am i compelled to wear one?”

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Sadly agree. If you focus-grouped it with a room full of bright 8 year olds, you’d come out with something most of the population can understand.

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Mike
Mike
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

I think your being overly generous to the general public.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I’m giving them the Benny-fit of the doubt.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Hell’s bells, Benny Hawkins. I’d forgotten about him.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I would suggest simplifying the language.

Would Fred or Angela know the meaning of ‘prevalence’? Perhaps ‘presence’?

Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the user.

More deaths from lockdown than covid-19.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

> Perhaps ‘presence’?

Yes.

> Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the user.

Yes, although I’m going to suggest that we use wearer instead of user.

>More deaths from lockdown than covid-19.

I’d love to be able to say that, but I don’t have any proof.

However, the loss of years-of-life seems solid, at least according Dr Scott Atlas who has said that the lockdown in the United States has already cost twice as many years-of-life than have been lost to COVID-19. That statement was made in June 2020, way after the peak in COVID-19 deaths, so I can only imagine that the balance has shifted even further in the direction of lockdown losses.

So my list is now:

  1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
  2. Viral presence is not disease presence. The PCR test is fatally flawed.
  3. Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the wearer.
  4. Lockdown has caused a greater loss of year-of-life than COVID-19.

I’ve taken to calling this list, “What I Believe”.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

How about a picture of the crowd at Trafalgar square with the caption THE VOICELESS NOW HAVE A VOICE ! and underneath the lockdown sceptic website address. ps no pictures of flat earth placards .

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I’ve saved 500,000 lives by staying at home and muzzling myself, and single-handedly stopped racism by taking the knee.

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Tony Prince
Tony Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I believed you up until ‘taking the knee’…..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Perfect coming up to Rememberance Day!

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Arnie
Arnie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Hi Mabel, sorry to be awkward but I preferred the first design. Is there any chance you could put it back up please? I really want the ‘t’ shirt!

Love what you are doing, keep up the good work. Cheers, Arnie.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

Sorry, I’ve only just seen your post. Which one was the first design? I’ve done so many variations that I have lost count.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

We changed it to .He fought for liberty. Don’t throw it away ! And Mabel they are looking great .Thank you again .

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

A simple question to ask everyone you know, and to email your MPs.

If Covid 19 is so bad where are all the supermarket deaths?

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Jay Bhattacharya: Lockdown is more harmful than Covid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

***********************************

Ivor Cummins
128K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

One for the politically naive people out there – in a simplified story format to explain 😉
People keep asking #WhyAreTheyDoingThis?, and rightly so. Well here’s just one reason – in a sense they have no choice, politically.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

We all know. And ‘they’ know we know.
But it won’t stop them because they need to keep us off balance until the Magic Cure arrives. And everybody (except the guinea pigs) makes a huge amount of money.

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Jim
Jim
5 years ago

Second!!

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago

Third

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Bill Hickling
Bill Hickling
5 years ago

Why does the silly Sturgeon wear a mask? Surely she has been tested and if negative there is no reason to wear one.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Hickling

Its the Sturgeon Tartan

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Roddy Duncan
Roddy Duncan
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Smells a bit fishy to me

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Roddy Duncan

That’s her sporran.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Hickling

There’s no reason to wear one anyway.

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Tony Prince
Tony Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

The story about removing masks between bites in restaurants in California must be the most stupid, moronic thing I’ve heard in this whole sorry charade. It says an awful lot about the mental capacity of the idiots that thought it up

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Tony Prince

It also says how far the absurdity has gone. A few months ago, we would have written it off as fake nooz.

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paulito
paulito
5 years ago
Reply to  Tony Prince

Indeed. Idiocy of the highest order. Having said that I saw people in a bar in Spain do this between sips of their drinks during the Summer.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  paulito

What can you say besides “FFS!!!!!”

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Tony Prince
Tony Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Hickling

She’s being kind

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Tony Prince

Hahaha!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Hickling

She looked merely scary without it.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Hickling

I was thinking the same when I saw Prince William in one.
My first thought – but he’s YOUNG and therefore in no danger.
My second thought – if he feels he should wear one, why a scrap of Chinese tat?
My third thought – if he MUST wear one, why not a see-through one? (Plenty on the internet. And The Queen always uses a see-through umbrella, after all. It’s only polite.)

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John Galt
John Galt
5 years ago

“World’s first Covid passport technology will be trialled on flights from Heathrow this week in bid to let passengers travel without risk of quarantine in future BUT requires authorities to trust test lab results from abroad”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8814245/Worlds-Covid-passport-trialled-flights-Heathrow-week.html

It’s all starting to happen as predicted.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Funny that, they’ve been rocking up at Heathrow since this began with no checks.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

“Rocking up” ???

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John Galt
John Galt
5 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

It’s crazy, isn’t it. They just keep ploughing on regardless.

Nobody dying? Just stop talking about deaths.

Low numbers? Doesn’t matter.

Public pushing back? Oh well.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

The government’s pattern of behaviour is clear and predictable.
They are going to plough ahead no matter what. If they encounter any resistance or new evidence against their position they just apply more force, more lockdowns, they double down again and again.

They have the power, they have the resources, they have the media with them.

And they have the clinching argument. If things get better it’s thanks to the measures. If they don’t, the measures are not enough and we need more.

They are never, ever, ever backing down.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Einstein had a word for it.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

so did Joseph Heller

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

I’ll go with that.

I remember a perfect illustration of the principle when I was in Poland 50 years ago :

  • You had to have a ticket to travel on a train
  • But the ticket office wasn’t open before the train went in the morning
  • and you couldn’t buy a ticket the previous day

Now – the whole country is taken over by the same sort of logical fartocracy of nonsense.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Helen

So have I.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The government is acting against the people in collusion with opposition and house of lords. The Monarchy have been neutered, the Police turned into a militia, the Courts and legal profession are not protecting us. The MSM have been paid to promote the treachery and keep us in ignorance. Academia and organized religion have been co-opted into the evil.

My Civil Obedience is no longer to be taken for granted.

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Keen Cook
Keen Cook
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

in total agreement. Blowing up bridges time.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They are never, ever, ever backing down.


Nor are we, Stewart, nor are we

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Old mum
Old mum
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

‘All tyrannies rule through fraud & force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.’ George Orwell

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

And the reason they’re ploughing ahead? A very lucrative vaccine.

So long as people can be kept afraid, cowed, demoralised, but with just the smidgeon of a promise of escape at the end of it all…….
“Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…..”

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Toby exhibits severe cognitive dissonance with the implications.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

I had to read this twice (above in Toby Young’s update) to make sure I wasn’t seeing things: ‘Telegraph report about an idea (slightly) more sensible than universal quarantine’ Really? Is this what it’s for? Of course it is being spun as just freedom to travel but I simply can’t believe that Toby Young is naive enough to believe it! I can’t read the Telegraph article because I don’t subscribe but the comments show that a lot of their readers are way ahead of TY and are well up to speed with what this is really about. Ditto, many BTL comments under the Mail article. This should tell us something – quoted from the Mail article: ‘It was launched by the World Economic Forum and The Commons Project, in collaboration with a broad coalition of public and private partners around the world ‘ I wonder who some of them might be? Meanwhile, here’s one of many articles detailing the reality of what ‘Health Passports’ are really for. We can’t say we weren’t warned as it’s from last year and China has been running this since 2017. Millions of Chinese have been penalised in various ways for failing ‘Social Credit’ tests:… Read more »

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

Delingpole needs to have a word with his mate. I listened to him on the Richie Allen show and he is fully clued up about what is going on and who is behind it (WEF, Agenda 2030, etc…)

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

Agree. This is how the digital health passport will start to be implemented.

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John Galt
John Galt
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

The travel passport is one of the things I’ve been most worried about. I realised quite a while ago that travel is one of the easiest ways to ease this whole “vaccine passport” into play. Travel isn’t necessarily classed as a “right” and they can spin it however they like – “oh we want to protect other countries” or something along those lines.

The fact that Toby called it “sensible” is worrying. I’ve complained a few times about his use of the term “conspiracy theorists”, but to be fair, I think most who comment see things for how they are now, and the comments have outgrown the usefulness of the actual updates. I haven’t read the actual updates in a while now.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

I think you may well be right that BTL is where the real scepticism and debate lies. However, it worries me that TY and his colleagues are putting this kind of stuff out.

Also, it is crucial to realise that this ‘passport’ as about so much more than just travel. That’s the propaganda sales pitch. We have otherwise intelligent friends who can’t wait for their health passport so they can go abroad again. They really have no idea but we’re doing our best with them. MW

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John Galt
John Galt
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

I agree. I’ve come to terms with the fact that he’s very “light” on what’s going on. It’s nice that attention is being brought to the matter in a fairly accessible way, but he either ignores or doesn’t realise the larger implications.

Oh, definitely. That’s what I meant by it’s one of the easiest ways to ease into it. Firstly it’s a travel passport. Then it’s a vaccine passport. Then you’re finding you can’t work without one.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

I think this site works as a very helpful safety valve for many people. It’s also a very useful place to share and discover quality information.
So, regardless of TY’s apparent naivete, we should be very grateful that he provides us with this space and make the most of it.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

And maybe ‘someone’ is watching us all to see who the troublemakers might potentially be!

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TT
TT
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Absolutely agree – here in Belgium the only site that offers any resistance to the MSM drivel is of much lower quality than this one, and mainly seems to attract people venting about a mish-mash of (sadly) as yet unproven conspiracy/collusion suspicions, and who can’t write a full paragraph without including at least 3 glaring spelling mistakes. There are some more knowledgeable comments on there, but they are rare and hence it becomes very easy to put the whole thing down as a bunch of raving malcontents and extremist idiots. The organisation behin the site (“Viruswaanzin”, ie “Virus madness”) spends its time filing Court cases that are systematically rejected, so it’s all a bit depressing really (in a nutshell: our magistrates seem to think that no case can ever be brought against an ‘expert’ for implementing counterproductive or harmful measures… as long as they have a degree in virology or related sciences, their opinion is considered sacrosanct and their motives are by definition pure). In the Netherlands it’s a bit better but the main actors also have popular perception very much against them, France is a very mixed bag (with Prof. Raoult in Marseille as the lone voice that is… Read more »

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ScepticalLefty
ScepticalLefty
5 years ago
Reply to  TT

The only think I would say us to stick to anti lock down matters- and nit other issues we may disagree with

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

This Covid is really intelligent… It knows if you’re out drinking a pint or drinking a coffee!

Something tells me that Adolf Sturgeon has been trying for quite a while to shut down pubs. I think she doesn’t like it when people drink alcohol. And now she found an excuse.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Yes, several politicians and public health officials support temperance, so have been looking for their Prohibition moment. It has never worked in the past, and will never work now, or in the future.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

When I lived in Scotland, time and again politicians tried to restrict alcohol consumption and it never worked or got off the ground.

This virus has been a wet dream for those who want to control public access to alcohol so they’re using the virus as an excuse.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Rab C. for leader! – Much more nous.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I disagree,our politicians are not puritans.They have no problem with drinking.This measure is to close down any place where people meet and could organise resistance

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

LOL “Your conspiracy theory is hogwash. Mine is true”

Personally I think there’s probably a modicum of truth in both.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I reckon that if she’s a tee-totaller, she’s the best argument for getting pissed that I’ve ever come across.

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago

The leaches aren’t working, we need more leaches! And a time machine so we can put more leaches on two weeks ago.

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Crazy Hoarse
Crazy Hoarse
5 years ago

I’ve been thinking of leaving this rotten country for some time now, I’m now thinking nowhere on earth is safe so I’m going to volunteer to join Elon Musk’s mission to Mars. Anyone who wants to join me is welcome, the more the merrier

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Espedair
Espedair
5 years ago
Reply to  Crazy Hoarse

Where are you going to go, though? So much of the Anglosphere is caught up in the same madness. Much of my family live in Canada and tell me it’s as bad if not worse there.True story this (it’s on the Globe and Mail, Canada’s establishment newspaper website): Dr Theresa Tam, Canada’s CMO, proclaimed in one of her nightly TV addresses a month or so ago that h0rny Canucks should henceforth wear facemasks during sex and adopt ‘non facing’ positions. My brother, who lives in British Columbia, informed me that she’d lost any remaining credibility amidst the resulting howls of derision but that provincial health authorities in BC had gone a step further by recommending the use of ‘barriers, including glory holes’ when engaging in intimate relations. All true. Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore!

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Espedair

“Theresa Tam, Canada’s CMO, proclaimed in one of her nightly TV addresses a month or so ago that h0rny Canucks should henceforth wear facemasks during sex and adopt ‘non facing’ positions.”

When you’ve stopped falling about, laughing uncontrollably at the absurdity (both in terms of the sex and the science) – there’s a serious point to be made :

Idiotic arseholes like this are being allowed to represent both the Public Health and Epidemiology professions – and are being listened to.

Meanwhile sanity and real science stands outside the stands outside the door in the cold, knocking to be let in.

If I was a serious Public Health or Epidemiological scientist (as opposed to a leach on the body politic like Ferguson), I’d be tearing my hair out.

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Espedair
Espedair
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

She was late to the table with this cockamamy sh!te anyway. Covid-themed face mask sex was already a category on Pornhub by April! (or so someone told me … wouldn’t dream of … ahem).

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Espedair

I guess if you’re as repulsive as your views, masked sex is the only option 🙂

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Espedair

Am I to understand that safe sex now consists of what I believe is called the ‘anal missionary position’ ?

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Tony Prince
Tony Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Isn’t it that that HMG et al is doing to us all?

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Espedair
Espedair
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I suspect the advent of the state mandated full body condom cannot be far off along with Nicola Sturgeon peering through your bedroom curtains to ensure compliance or better yet a soft-on. Can you imagine the passion killing effects of having to remember to don a facemask* as well as johnnying up prior to a bout of mattress rodeo?

*edit. Some people will genuinely be into this and far be it for me to judge another’s’ fetish 😉

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Espedair

I’m disappointed that even the Western provinces in Canada – who like to pride themselves on being free thinkers – seem in thrall to the ”be afraid” message. Friends in one prairie city that’s seen about two ”cases” a couple of months ago, are still crawling around in muzzles even on the golf course!

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago
Reply to  Crazy Hoarse

I fancy West Africa. Nigeria has always sounded like a total hoot to me. I imagine it’s quite low on Covid-bollocks.

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Tanzania may be a better bet. The president is a sceptic.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Crazy Hoarse

5 years down the line… Rumours of a local lockdown for Mars. Pubs to close at 10pm. 2 week quarantine for interplanetary travellers, Space Shuttle industry in turmoil.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Crazy Hoarse

Its a very good option …

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago

I’m now at ta point where I don’t even read the articles anymore. What is the point? I mean, we all know it’s all bullshit, the the science does not count one jolt, there could be 10000 experts telling the government this , It does not matter. Facts, truth, logical reasoning. Doesn’t matter anymore .All that matters is fear, propaganda ,name-calling, relentless assault by the entire MSM , health passports, colour coding and complete compliance of the people. Job done, we lost ,they won.
I fight every day just to get out of bed, I have no more fight in me. I suffer from Complex PTSD ( Afghanistan, 2 tours) and I’m scared I will not make it trough the winter. If this is the world we will have to live in form now on, I don’t want to do it anymore

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Empathy. I think many of us are reluctant to wake up, since at least we can, at times, dream sanity. It’s not even the ‘same old, same old, when the day breaks. It’s ‘more shit, more shit’.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

I just took a drive past the (6th form) College as the students come out of several buildings going in every direction to do what they do at lunchtime.

Not a mask in sight and they are still obeying the ‘Rule of As Many Of My Mates As I Like’.🙋‍♂️💁‍♀️💁‍♂️🙆‍♀️🙆‍♂️🙅‍♀️🙅‍♂️🙋‍♀️🙇‍♂️🙇‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️💇‍♀️💆‍♀️
Always cheers me up

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And best wishes to all those students. What a crap future they face. Thank you Boris and your best mate Bill.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Stay strong Thomas. This is all coming to a head in the next couple of weeks. The Great Barrington Declaration is a major intervention that cannot be ignored – the MSM shills and their go-to ‘scientists’ are struggling to knock down three professors from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford, and 12k other scientists and medics have now put their necks on the line behind them. Next Thursday will see three things happen – deadline for deal with the EU, Tom Bower’s book on Boris and his private life, and the Dolan case. Boris is a dead man walking, and he knows it. Possible a senior Cabinet minister resigns fairly soon, bringing the whole pack of cards down. Might see a two-week half term lockdown across the whole country, but that will be it, in my view.

Much respect and gratitude for your service to our country.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

The GBD has been signed by the finest scientist I know. That does it for me.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

“ The Great Barrington Declaration is a major intervention that cannot be ignored”

Want to bet?

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BJJ
BJJ
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Yes

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I admire your optimism.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I’m with you on all that, TT. I’m more optimistic than I have been for some time. No doubt there’s plenty more shit to be shovelled before we get to the end, but I think the outlook is promising.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The darkest hour is just before dawn, hopefully.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Yes! The truth is being aired. The tide is turning, don’t give up now.

Article in the Grad pointing out that 86% of those testing positive experience no symptoms. They spin it of course but the truth is there for all to see.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/more-than-80-positive-cases-in-covid-study-had-no-core-symptoms

Also the DT about a report that counters the lockdown argument:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/07/herd-immunity-could-have-saved-lives-lockdown-study-suggests/

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HoMojo
HoMojo
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Wish I could be so confident, so thanks for your optimism. But it’s not a national thing, it’s an international thing, It’s the global scale of it all and the digital repression that freaks me.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  HoMojo

Even the internationalists have overplayed their hand. Reckoning coming, especially if a certain person of orange hue wins next month.

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

The left were wetting the pants with joy when orange Man got the lurgy. ow they are shitting bricks. Once he gets in he will be after all of them. he will keep his powder dry until after the election.

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Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I like your optimism TT

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Agree. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. Just need somebody prepared to kick the morons in the UN into touch.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Good post. It’s clearly coming to a head, and the momentum is with only one argument.

And next Thursday is the Ides of October!

And hang on in there Thomas_E. I imagine there must be lots of ups and downs on an active service deployment – if so, it may help to pt this lot into perspective.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Serving in Afghanistan was serving Tony Blair and George Bush, not the country.

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I was thinking this in April 😉

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peter charles
peter charles
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

good comment

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

The only thing that changes this tide is mass redundancies. Nothing else will work.

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peter charles
peter charles
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

yes, and don’t forget a crippled economy

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  peter charles

My fear (expectation) is that it will be too late. When people realise they’ve been sold a pup we’re probably just left with mass civil disobedience. I expect the government will step in with its solutions to that, too.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

The public will have nothing to lose, at least take one of those bastards with you.

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adele
adele
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I was feeling the same yesterday and got a lot of helpful responses on here. Take a step back from the internet and get out in the fresh air, it will do you good. They cannot avoid the inevitable backlash forever, it’s just a waiting game now. Stay strong.

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Allan Gay
Allan Gay
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Stick with us, Thomas_E.
We need chaps like you.
Best wishes.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I think about suicide every day, but then I am curious how they will dig themselves out.
And what will it help our cause if I give up?
This stupid situation made me quit my job, but I was not prepared to support it (I worked in hospitality). Being at home all day, as I do not like to go out and see all the muzzled faces, makes it worse.
But we have to hang on, find a new hobby, I am sure we will come out of it and those responsible will be held accountable.
With every bad headline, there is something positive. Try to get off media, social media as well.
There are people out there you can talk to, or I am sure we can communicate off this site, maybe utilise the connections.
I hope you feel better today.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

This is one of the things that keeps me going. I am intrigued as to how all this pans out. It may be horrific, but it is also bloody fascinating.

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I really feel for you Thomas. I can’t claim to have PTSD but I too really struggle to get out of bed, I have just dragged myself out unwillingly. I hope you have someone to talk to, we need to release our frustration, sending my love.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Mrs issedoff

Thank you for your support, despite it all, this site is the only place where I can find some common ground and hear alternative narrative about this whole fucked up imaginary crisis.

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Lili
Lili
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Thomas, stick with us my lovely. We all have dark days – I lost my shit this morning and felt like I was going to have a heart attack I was so stressed with it all, but I’ll be damned if they’re going to win this. Stay angry, and stay with us. God bless and thank you for your service.We need you. xx

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

The pushbacks prove that the truth is getting out there and being heard. Otherwise the truth would merely be ridiculed.
Don’t give up now!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I’ve been in the despondency phase. For most of us it will go away and be replaced by anger and a burning desire for retribution.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Although I have no experience of this, in physical combat the enemy that you are fighting must be more clearly defined and identifiable than what we are facing now.

Psychological warfare is very real, and we are all absolutely on the front lines. Our enemy is both everywhere and nowhere, which is what makes it so draining. Moreover, the battlefield is global in scope and continuous in activity, which can at times be overwhelming.

For my part I choose to hold firm to my principles and accept whatever consequences come my way as a result of adhering to them. It is the single most important thing I have ever done or will ever do in my life.

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Zubin
Zubin
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well said. Resisting is vital life affirming work. Even if I fail I put myself up to be counted. Love

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well said, especially the last bit.

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

We will need people like you. In the meantime find a project that gets you away from this. Something for you or for other people, there’ll be something, so you can live normally as much of the time as possible. The tide will turn, believe me. And watch Katie Hopkins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6lND4CZlXc

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Tom_E

So is your surname Atkins ? 🙂 Just kiddin’.

To me it’s clearly a coup – our government has been hijacked into implementing the “great” reset. I ask myself, what would Robin Hood have done ?

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

An arrow at 500 paces and still into the eyeball of the Blonde Bellend

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris John

You’re just trying to cheer us up … 🙂

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

You just need to call out for help, that’s the hardest bit. There are people on here who can help. You are not alone.
Or a number.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

It won’t be the world we have to live in from now on. Ignore the panic-mongers where possible. Even the MSM is turning now. Not as fast as we’d all like, but it is turning.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Exactly how I feel. I have cancer which is now untreated. My GP (remember them?) keep texting me to come for my flu jab and yet my once ‘vital’ blood tests are cancelled. They can inject something into you but not take blood out? My friend waited so long for an urgent cancer op that it had spread, she lost a kidney and is now just waiting to do. The elderly culled in death homes, in confinement like prisoners and without any medical treatment. Many religions insist on burial in 24 hours so were persuaded to accept Cvid-19 on relatives’ death certs even though there was no prior diagnosis just to avoid a 2 week delay in the release of the body The numbers are a sham and more are dying of neglect. I now feel utterly hopeless as the Govt have dismissed the Barrington Declaration. First they culled the old and vulnerable and now it’s the sick.

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DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

So sorry to hear about you Thomas, we’re all here for each other.

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NappyFace
NappyFace
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I feel your pain and I understand entirely where you’re coming from, but I think we are in 1944/45, rather than 1939/40. See this through – the tide is turning.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

I felt we are between the reichstag fire and the Nuremberg laws

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Suey
Suey
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

It’s now tomorrow, and everyone will have piled onto the new edition of LS, but I hope you’ve come back, Thomas, to read the replies and to see that your comment here is the most upvoted of the day.

I’ve never been in the military, but I understand one of the good things about it is the camaraderie, the knowledge that all your mates have got your back. It’s like that on here: we’ve got your back.

Come back from time to time and let us know you’re here.

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Yorky Bar
Yorky Bar
5 years ago

Very interesting article from The Atlantic on superspreader events and whether we are doing contact tracing backwards
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Yorky Bar

Interesting but there are several flaws, starting with the assumption that covid is still the deadly killer it was in the beginning – and maybe still is to a tiny percentage.

It still doesn’t really answer his early question: What happened in Guayaquil, Ecuador, in April, when so many died so quickly …?

It claims that PCR tests are highly accurate for specificity and sensitivity. Maybe they are if you don’t take the p*ss with the number of cycles.

And of course there’s the ultimate catch: Could we get back to a much more normal life by [cluster busting] that is, once we get our case numbers down to low enough numbers to carry out such a strategy?

We could get the numbers down instantly by stopping pillar 2 testing and just protecting the vulnerable. It would save a fortune too!

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago

Coivd 1984 app . Has this been removed? Can’t find it in play store.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

You can get it from covid1984.life

Requires you to allow apk files from outside of the Play Store.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

I’ve downloaded it but I can’t see it . Where is it living, please?

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Canecl that -found it

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Good stuff, reply deleted!

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Even better!

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Ed Turnbull
Ed Turnbull
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

The server’s not responding. Have the Downing Street Gestapo taken it down already? I wouldn’t be surprised, after all we can’t let the proles have any freedom from the State, can we?

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David Mc
David Mc
5 years ago

A blog entry ruminating on why this is happening: https://medium.com/@civitasperegrina/why-are-you-doing-that-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-the-structure-of-the-brain-a75d89d8cb3

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Suey
Suey
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

Thanks; that was quite interesting. It also got me thinking about something I’m sure I was taught/found out many moons ago … in most people, the left hand side of the brain (focussed on statistics, concrete things) is dominant because they are right handed. I wonder if it’s true that most of us on here are left handed, with a dominant right-side brain (able to grasp abstract ideas; see the bigger picture)?

I’ll kick off: I am; and my oh, who posts on here, is too. Any others?

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David Mc
David Mc
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Sadly I don’t think it’s that simple – people who are left-handed for the most part just have the hemisphere functionality reversed/mirrored, I believe. I think however that there is undoubtedly a genetic element to just how likely one is to get blinkered – as the brain develops the two hemispheres develop methods for, effectively, drowning out the other hemisphere, and the completeness of this process will partially be genetic and partially environmental.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Pretty strongly right handed. But left footed (in the footballing sense, not religious).

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sarnskeptic
sarnskeptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Left handed here, but my entire family (both own and in-laws) are right handed and they’re all fully on our side. But we’re also all traditional Catholics (a niche part of the Catholic Church) so there’s a tendency towards “different thinking”…

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Old righty here

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Yep, I’m definitely sinister. Though right-footed, and throw right-handed.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Right-handed and pretty left-brained.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

I’m left handed and sceptical of everything. No evidence – no belief.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

I’m right handed and right footed – I didn’t have much skill at football but the biggest compliment anyone ever paid me on the pitch was when an opposing player shouted “Don’t let him get it on his right foot” – I had quite an accurate shot. Many years ago I did an experiment to see if I could become more ambidextrous, which didn’t work but a small remnant is that when I need to use a handkerchief I go to my left pocket.

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Suey
Suey
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

Thanks for all your replies. Really, I knew it was a nonsense as soon as I pressed ‘post’, especially as, if I think about it, my own left-handedness extends only to writing and hand sewing, while using knives and scissors I’m right handed. With other things – like house painting, or using an electric knife – I’m comfortable using either hand.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Suey

I’m centre-right.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

I was struck by the opening paragraph of the article, with the lemmings queuing to jump off the cliff.

The lemmings lie was one of the most effective scams ever perpetrated, the result of which is still in effect today. Even though the scam was exposed, it’s a persistent analogy.

Let’s hope the covid scam doesn’t persist as long!

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago

A simple question to ask everyone you know, and to ask your MPs.

If Covid 19 is so bad where are all the supermarket deaths?

******************************
Jay Bhattacharya: Lockdown is more harmful than Covid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

youtube watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

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Ivor Cummins
128K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

youtube watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE
One for the politically naive people out there – in a simplified story format to explain 😉
People keep asking #WhyAreTheyDoingThis?, and rightly so. Well here’s just one reason – in a sense they have no choice, politically.

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

More than just deaths. Why has no supermarket around the country been shut due to Covid?

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Lockdown Truth
Lockdown Truth
5 years ago

Hi are there any top graphic designers out there who want to do their bit to help end all this nonsense?

We have some of the biggest names in the sceptic world now working on our content that will be promoted to the public 121.

We need it to look great. This is what the opposition are up to https://www.purposedisruptors.org/

We need to match them.

Please get in touch via http://www.covid19assembly.org

Thanks

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Happy to help – sent you my details.

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James Bertram
James Bertram
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Interesting to follow the chain:
https://www.purposedisruptors.org/
leads to: https://www.reclaimingagency.com/meet-us (jonathan Wise)
leads to: https://www.thecommslab.com/orit-gal (a member of IPPR’s ‘New Era Economics’ panel
leads to: https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/transforming-the-economy-after-covid19

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Jules
Jules
5 years ago
Sturgeon has "little else to ban" - well how about sweeties? Children can get excited around them and fail to observe distancing. 
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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  Jules

What about banning deep friend mars bars to help curb the obesity levels and stop a few deaths that way!

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

*fried

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

She’s already banned friends – presumably because she’s jealous of anyone who has any.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

The way the economy is going, by January we’ll be deep-frying our friends just to survive.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Must make a list then . . .

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Thinkaboutit
Thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

When the initial lockdown resulted in empty supermarket shelves we did speculatively eye up the dogs. Too scrawny we decided.
(Note to dog lovers, it’s a joke, we’d never)

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Thinkaboutit

Working from home for six months has added a bit of variety to our diet. We haven’t had dog (we wouldn’t either) but being able to get exotic meats delivered means we’ve had kangaroo, ostrich, water buffalo and tonight I’m cooking goat – Moroccan style.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I have some friends who are, sadly, becoming deep-fryable!

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Espedair
Espedair
5 years ago

After the gradual ramping up of my disillusionment with the SNP‘s murky internal shenanigans, Salmondgate, Cherrymandering and Nicola‘s (aka the Grim Gauleiter of Govan) dangerous Covid authoritarianism, I quit the SNP last month. I’ll still vote for Scotland’s independence if another opportunity presents itself but have grave concerns about her gang of Stepford Wives and Children of the Corn being initially at the helm of an independent state. Anyway, I’d like to share with you my feelings about Nic’s Covid ‘approach’ in the form of a showtune:

(With apologies to Irving Berlin and Ethel Merman)

‘There’s no sickness like Covid sickness like no sickness Nic knows
Everything about it is appealing, all the extra power lockdown will provide
Nowhere can Nic get that happy feeling when she’s stealing that extra life

There’s no tyrants like Covid tyrants, they smile when they say NO!
Even with a Casedemic that Nic knows is mince, Leitch will screech just to convince
Nic will continue to fail, repeat and rinse, and she’ll go on with the show!’

… c’mon Nic! You know the words!

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Ben Shirley
Ben Shirley
5 years ago

I only really have one friend whom I see with any regularity, and our friendship has had to be suspended because his girlfriend’s gone into bed-wetter mode and, instead of slapping her into her senses, he’s indulging her. The upshot of which is that I’m banned from visiting them, because I might kill her (she’s 22).

The other day, I received a ‘phone call from them. “We’re moving house, would you be able to come over and give us a hand?” I took great delight in pointing out that certain double standards were at play.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben Shirley

Ha ha! Some double standards with a few members of my family and freinds too. Did you end up giving them a hand?

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Ben Shirley
Ben Shirley
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

No. I did agree to help, but I think I’d made them feel embarrassed as they insisted they could manage well enough.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben Shirley

Let’s hope a vaccine is brought out quickly so she can take it and feel safe again.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes – this is another of those logic/evidence-free twists that we have seen so much of.

The low likelihood of catching SARS-CoV-2, coupled with its low CFR is replaced by the certainty of getting a novel vaccine whose effects have not been sufficiently explored.

Brain goes walkies again.

One could write a book about the twists and turns of illogic in the shit-show.

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Thinkaboutit
Thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben Shirley

I’d have been tempted to help out and then sneeze on all their worldly goods.

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Jules
Jules
5 years ago

Sturgeon has “little else” to ban. How about sweeties? Children tend to go mad around them and social distancing can be forgotten.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

Bit ironic that the ‘purposedisruptors’ started off meeting in a pub and the worse bit, about 60 of them altogether!.. Johnson has put a firm stop to that bit of nonsense!

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

‘purposedisruptors’ started off meeting in a pub

Err, well, that’s what they tell us. You did see what they do for a living ?

Bill Hicks, as is often the case, springs to mind.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

FYI:

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-barrington-declaration-an-open-letter-arguing-against-lockdown-policies-and-for-focused-protection/

The main arguments seem to be:

  • Effectively protecting the vulnerable is impossible.
  • We don’t know how long immunity lasts; therefore herd immunity might not be achievable.
  • “Long Covid”.
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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

If protecting the vulnerable is impossible then what purpose does the lockdown achieve?

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Yes, it’s a mysterious thing. You can protect everyone in the country but not a smaller group of people in the country. Pretty amazing stuff.

Here’s another one. Having had the virus doesn’t confer immunity, but a vaccine will. That’s also quite amazing.

Another one. Lockdown measures control this new virus, but regular colds and flus still circulate freely. That is really amazing.

If you didn’t know better, you’d think the government thinks we are all completely stupid, right?

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Either that, or the government is stupid enough to believe what lobbyists from the pharma industry are telling them and simply don’t care what the public think.

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LS99
LS99
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Perfectly summed up! Note to government – some of us aren’t that daft!

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Searching for logic in the Covid argument is like trying to find water in the Namib.

On the ‘protecting the vulnerable’ ploy – the actual pragmatic answer is the old one : let them protect themselves (in do far as they are able), and assist in doing that. Which brings us back to normality … which is the problem, of course.

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Cicatriz
Cicatriz
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Yes. I can no longer penetrate the veil of obfuscation.

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Allan Gay
Allan Gay
5 years ago
Reply to  Cicatriz

Chinese hegemony.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Response to point 2: that completely undermines the premise of vaccination
Response to point 3: if that is a phenomenon, running a challenge trial for a vaccine, (notwithstanding the response to point 2), is morally dubious and dangerous

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Sorry, I posted this before realising that it’s included in the post!

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Will
Will
5 years ago

I have asked a couple of times but couldn’t find my posts to check for replies so please forgive me for asking again but please could Carrie or another of the Swedish posters tell me whether Sweden is worrying itself with the phenomenon of “long Covid”? Thank you. Hopefully as I am near the front of the list I will be able to find any replies.

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adele
adele
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

At the top of the comments there’s a little symbol on the left, here you can check back on any of your posts

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Tony Prince
Tony Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  adele

Thanks Adele. Just posting to follow your advice!

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  adele

Couldn’t get it to work, it just asked me if I wanted to delete my comments. Thank you though.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

i just tried it – top of comments on left little man symbol. clicked on this and got a list of past comments . yes – option to delete. but each comment a hyperlink to the original entry

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

There is a strong anti Tegnell/Giesecke group in Sweden which has some backers in MSM
The names are in this Lancet link attacking Giesecke’s silent pandemic article

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31672-X/fulltext

They have lately(probably inspired by BM/BMJ)jumped into long covid band wagon.They are still a minority opinion

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
5 years ago

“Long Covid” is just fearmongering nonsense.

Every virus will result in a minority of long term sufferers, just as some will not even know they have it. This is the case with every flu season, people react differently to viruses. It even has a name, ‘post-viral syndrome’ or ‘post-viral fatigue’.

This just confirms to me that this is a scam, a normal virus that has been deliberately ramped up to create fear in the population.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

People on Jeremy Vine yesterday fear mongering about long Covid. I had to switch off as started to feel pure rage!

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Thinkaboutit
Thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

It took me six months to recover from pneumonia and I still have scarred lungs. Not abnormal with any severe lung disease ( and mine was bacterial).

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

More Or Less R4 yesterday said long Covid was entirely self diagnosed and reported. Someone who thinks they had Covid in March and has a headache today can say it is long Covid so all utter b*llocks.

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scoobydoo
scoobydoo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I am sympathetic to a lot of the general thrust of the sceptic argument (minus the culture war / conspiracy stuff), but sceptics are not doing their cause any favours by outright denial about Long Covid. I’ve been ill since March – diagnosed with pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart), which I got as a result of suspected Covid. For a month I had a fiery pain in my lungs and for several months a heavy weight on my chest, as well as a weird range of more minor symptoms which I won’t bore you with. It took me until August to feel more human again and still haven’t regained my baseline level of health. So if the term Long Covid is accepted, it probably refers to people like me. I agree that this term and what causes it is a matter for debate (am neither a medic nor a scientist so am staying out of that debate); that other viruses also spark lasting effects (e.g. pericarditis); and that reasonable people can disagree on what the appropriate policy response is to Long Covid. But what cannot be denied is that what we are going through is very real.… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  scoobydoo

I was posting while out and about while on the go and didn’t have time to expand.
I’m not saying long Covid does not exist just that as there is no medical definition of what it is any claims about its prevalence must be discounted.

My sympathy for your troubles and I wish you well.

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Gman
Gman
5 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

Brother in law works for border force and he knows 2 colleagues who have been off since May with “long covid” there is no medical follow up to this so they can effectively self certify – in his opinion they are milking it.

Would be good to see a comparison of the numbers of people suffering with long covid in the public sector compared to private…..

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Gman

Like the familiar “bad back” excuse – back problems can be genuine and severe but they’re also an easy option for the malingerer as it’s difficult to prove that someone doesn’t have a bad back.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  Gman

I’m public sector and some departments give full pay for 6 months followed by half pay for 6 months for those with long term illnesses. Watch that long Covid miraculously cure itself at the 6 month mark!

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Cassandra
Cassandra
5 years ago

Reading the BBC response to the Barrington declaration, I couldn’t help but think of the following Friedman quote – The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither.

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago
Reply to  Cassandra

Or another Friedman quote – “it’s very hard to convince someone of something when their job depends on them not being convinced”

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Cassandra

Friedman wasn’t a great philosophical thinker. The concepts aren’t in opposition; he was just dressing up his politics.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Equality of outcome, as a guiding principle of law and policy is totally destructive of freedom. Its implementation can only be attempted through totalitarian mechanisms.

We see this already through the development of totalitarian-style groupthink media in the USA and UK.

ITV, like CNN, now have long propaganda segments between programmes instructing viewers what to believe about equality issues. The BBC has an official Reality Check service to tell people what reality is and what they should believe. All programmes, from history to lifestyle, even game shows, are now full of equality of outcome propaganda. This would all have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Imagine where we will be in another 20 years.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Does it mean we all get paid the same as Gary Lineker for doing just as little?

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

One of my never-to-be-written books is provisionally called The False Dogma of Human Equality. The subject has probably been covered by Douglas Murray and others so I don’t need to write it myself.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cassandra

That’s a good quote. I’m sure equality in this context means equality of outcome, not equality before the law or equality of opportunity.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

In practice equality does not exist. Not just due to unavoidable bias or inherent injustice, but because it is simply not possible for two individuals, let alone larger groups, to be “equal”. Upon this false premise entire systems of governance have been founded.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I think fairness is more important.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

This comes down to Jonathan’s Haidt’s moral foundations. Some people seem not to factor “justice” in their calculations – i.e. that it’s wrong that people who work hard are fleeced to level up those who choose not to put in the same effort. I got annoyed at a Triggernomentry discussion the other day when the interviewee rolled out the hoary old Marxist chestnut of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” because that’s just an excuse for exploitation by the lazy and talentless.

Obviously, that sums up Marx himself to a tee, so it’s no surprise he was all for it.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

It’s based on the unfortunate assumption that the lazy and talentless will only be rewarded for their contribution. Somewhat naive.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago

Toby shouldn’t be surprised that Vice grassed up the developer of the anti track and trace app. The company might style itself as being independent and edgy but it is owned by Private Equity and other multinational media companies (Rupert Murdoch had a stake in the past and possibly still does).

The message (propaganda) in the media tends to be one as most brands have common ownerships, even local newspapers.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago

My wife has an optician appointment right now. The opticians were informed yesterday that my wife is exempt from wearing a mask due to her severe asthma. The person on the phone yesterday told me she would make a note of that and that all would be fine.

Guess what. My wife’s just phoned to say they would not let her in without a mask. So she’s currently masked up in the waiting room.

I’ve just got off the phone to the opticians where I’ve recited government guidelines on mask exemption down the line, and asked if they’re aware of the penalties of forcing a mask on someone despite their exemption. The lady on the phone was very polite and professional, and agreed to immediately investigate the situation, to apologise to my wife and allow her to continue the appointment maskless.

I normally hate confrontation, but I’m shaking with anger.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Your wife is exempt AND their premises are exempt! Of course, in the usual contradictory way, new rules mean the staff have to be masked.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020
…..

7. Premises (other than registered pharmacies) providing wholly or mainly medical or dental services, audiology services, chiropody, chiropractic, osteopathic, optometry or other medical services including services relating to mental health.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I normally hate confrontation, but I’m shaking with anger.

Gets easier every time, Mr Dee. You’ve probably helped many customers of that optician too.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

It’s interesting how the “rules”, even within a particular sector, are being interpreted differently. I had an opticians appointment a couple of weeks ago including an eye test. The subject of masks came up while making the appointment and I told the receptionist that I was exempt. She duly made a note of that and on entering the shop for my appointment there was no issue at all. And on the subsequent visit to have my new spectacles fitted there was no problem at all.

I’ve no idea whether your wife visited a chain or independent optician; mine is independent and recent experience has shown that independents of anything are more pragmatic than chains.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Boots. As in ‘stamping on a human face forever.’

Anyway, to their credit, following my phone call, they immediately allowed my wife to continue unmasked, apologised profusely and were exceptionally kind and polite to her throughout the whole appointment.

It just goes to show the importance of making an immediate protest in these events. Chip, chip, chip away at the seemingly towering edifice, and sooner or later it will collapse.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

You, sir, have fulfilled your quota for the day. Good work!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

So she’s currently masked up in the waiting room.

Very sad. However, why did she put the mask on instead of voting with her feet?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Thank goodness she had you to stand up for her, if she didn’t feel confident to face confrontation.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Well done! Not only have you helped your wife but also they will think twice about bullying others in the future .

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JohnMac
JohnMac
5 years ago

THIS is what students should be doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rGqaMkoiyg

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Adamb
Adamb
5 years ago

Who would recommend a trip to Italy now you have to wear a mask literally everywhere??

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Literally no one.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Nobody. Was going to go to Rome in July to have a better look at the sights without all the tourists about, opted to go somewhere else. It’ll have to wait now!

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ambwozere
ambwozere
5 years ago

Apologies if this has already been posted however I came across this site too calling for a different approach and asking for people’s opinions.

https://restorethebalance.info/#sad

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  ambwozere

This is a great website.

It’s time for the UK to return to its senses.

Restore The Balance is campaigning for a approach to Covid that acknowledges the risk, but weighs action against its consequences.

We aim to calm the hysteria, share the facts and put Covid into a rational perspective.

Every single person who joins us makes a difference. We welcome your support.

WHAT’S YOUR VIEW?

What’s your view on Covid19?

We want to encourage a proper debate.

Whatever your reason for backing our campaign, it’s important. Together, we can change what’s happening.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  ambwozere

Some good articles are linked there.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago

Well today BA decommissioned the last of their Boeing 747 ‘jumbo jets’ thanks to government interference in travel. The 747 to me was the main symbol of the jet era, and it really feels like the end of an era for mass international travel.

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

At this moment, I’m more concerned with travel within national boundaries – unfettered by restrictions on where and how I can eat/drink etc.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Nobody asked you to make a choice between the two.

All of the restrictions should be scrapped immediately. I’m sure being on this site, you would agree.

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