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by Will Jones
22 October 2020 9:30 AM

Record Rise in “Cases” – But October Still Normal For Respiratory Disease

Yesterday saw the biggest daily rise yet in positive tests reported: 26,688. The last three days have each seen significant increases, though it’s worth noting that by date of specimen there is still no major upward trend since the start of the month. That may change in the coming days (the column for October 19th admittedly looks high already) but relying on reporting date can give a false impression of trends.

What’s really missing in these numbers though is context. Were more tests done on October 19th than 18th, so the apparent rise is just an artefact of the increase in testing? And how many of these “cases” are false positives? As Sir Patrick Vallance said on Tuesday, SARS-CoV-2 is now likely to be an endemic virus that comes back in some form each flu season. Infections are rising now because it’s autumn and many respiratory viruses spread in autumn, plus the spring lockdowns will have left some areas with lower levels of immunity. It’s notable that London, where infections were falling before lockdown as Chris Whitty admitted to MPs, has yet to see any major increase in hospital admissions or deaths.

But if Covid infections, hospital admissions and deaths do keep rising throughout the winter there would be nothing unusual about that. Herd immunity doesn’t mean no one gets infected anymore, especially in the colder months. It means enough people have enough resistance to prevent a repeat of the spring and keep it within normal bounds.

COVID-19 isn’t the only respiratory disease around of course. But this year the rest are being strangely timid. Flu and pneumonia hospital admissions and deaths have been trending well below average since May with no sign of change yet, leaving Covid largely having the field to itself. That’s one reason the rise in Covid hospital admissions isn’t likely to overwhelm the NHS – there’s been a corresponding fall in admissions for flu and pneumonia.

If winter 2020 is a typical year then it’s likely to get a lot worse than this – not because we’re in the midst of a “second wave” but because it’s winter. If those panicking and calling for lockdowns think October’s bad, wait till they see a typical December. While the few journalists who have been asking the right questions haven’t been able to get the data from the NHS that would let us properly compare 2020 with a normal year (what are they hiding?), Carl Heneghan and co have tracked down this graph released in 2017 in response to an MP’s request.

It shows that England typically experiences a sharp increase in emergency admissions for respiratory conditions from September through November, followed by an even bigger spike in December, before beginning to drop off again in the new year. How does 2020 compare with this?

October 2016 had around 24,500 admissions, which is an average of 790 per day. Covid admissions this month up to the 18th are 10,503 with 13 days to go. The month started at around 370 per day and reached about 800 as of October 18th, so is currently running about average.

In other words, so far as we can tell from data in the public domain there is nothing unusual about the current October rise in respiratory disease-related hospital admissions. We can expect them to keep on rising and then to peak in December, although we don’t yet know if COVID-19 will fizzle out during the winter, to be replaced by other viruses. The lack so far of a big rise in Covid admissions and deaths in Sweden, London and New York suggests the emergence of herd immunity could lead to it receding. But even if it doesn’t, there is no evidence so far that Covid’s second ripple will exceed the usual bounds of a seasonal virus now that population immunity is moving upwards.

What Western countries have really lost sight of here is perspective. As Philip Johnston points out, in 1999-2000 – the last really bad flu season before this one, when a greater proportion of the UK population died – hospitals would leave people dying in waiting rooms. Yet it never occurred to anyone that this unfortunate situation meant we should shut down society for months on end – an intervention which kills and harms people in numerous ways.

As Professor Karol Sikora says: if lockdown was a drug or a vaccine, the authorities would have to take into account the side effects. Given that it causes so much harm to healthy people for so little demonstrable benefit it is unlikely it would even make it through the first hoop – a point also made by Dr Matt Strauss in the Spectator. Why then should we have different standards for drugs than for other public health interventions? Somewhere along the line, Western nations have lost sight of the key ethical principle that we are not responsible for viruses and illnesses, we are only responsible for our actions. And governments, like doctors, should aim to do more good than harm and not contravene important ethical principles such as consent. Even vaccinations of nasty diseases like measles and TB are not compulsory. Yet lockdown is imposed on all by force of law. How is that ethical? Covid has turned our principles upside down.

Stop Press: The CEBM has a new study explaining T-Cell immunity and reviewing the mounting evidence for longer-term immunity from SARS-CoV-2.

Why Were Democratic Citizens So Willing to Surrender Their Liberty?

Emperor Nero declares war on Neptune and orders his soldiers to attack the sea

Stacey Rudin has written an excellent piece for the American Institute for Economic Research exploring the question of why citizens of liberal democracies around the world complied so readily with draconian government diktats.

One has to wonder, how did this come about? Why weren’t we behaving this way before, when seasonal influenza is known to kill up to 650,000 people globally every single year? Why didn’t anyone ever care about saving all of those millions of people? If we really can stop infections, we murdered all of them!

Fortunately for our collective conscience, none of our pre-COVID public health guidelines so much as suggests that human behaviour can eliminate infections as necessary to stop deaths. We have always understood that we have limited control over invisible biological agents, which is why we do not opt to incur the gigantic costs of “lockdowns” and similar: we realize the effort to save every life, while noble, is unfortunately futile. We cannot stop death, so we accept it, and balance it with many other human interests. We know that pandemics causing upwards of two million deaths can and do occur, yet our CDC does not EVER recommend isolating healthy people outside of the household of the sick, closing “nonessential” businesses, or closing schools for longer than 12 weeks.

So why did we adopt all of these extreme, harmful, and deadly measures in 2020 for COVID-19, a pandemic that has not even caused statistically significant excess deaths in nations with short lockdowns and no lockdowns. Why did we depart so completely from our regulations? Did new science develop? I can’t find any. All pre-Covid epidemiological and public health literature unanimously acknowledges that it is impossible to stop infectious diseases with isolation and quarantine.

Good question and one that most lockdown sceptics have been puzzling over. Why isn’t everyone more like us? As Lionel Shriver said:

The supine capitulation to a de facto police state in a country long regarded as a cradle of liberty has been one of the most depressing spectacles I’ve ever witnessed. In a matter of days, busybodies are ratting out neighbours for going for a run twice; these people would be pigs in muck in the GDR.

Rudin’s answer is that politicians succeeded in persuading the public that they could prevent death – something the public, who’d already been terrified out of their wits by the politicians and their handmaidens in the media, wanted to hear.

To the calm (rational) mind, it is clear that “suppression” is a set of “brakes” that should only be imposed to the minimum extent necessary to manage hospital capacity. Any “extra” suppression just saves infections for later — when you may or may not have a vaccine or improved treatment — at extraordinary cost. To scared (irrational) people, however, suppression provides at least some “hope” of avoiding a horrific early death. You cannot blame terrified people for their feelings, but you can and should blame the media and government for misrepresenting personal risk during a pandemic. No cost is too high to keep open the possibility of staying alive. People focused on that will not comprehend any second- or third-tier consequences of their self-preservation efforts.

This is a terrific piece, written in a punchy, accessible style. Worth reading in full.

Impact of Lockdowns on the Developing World

There’s a good piece in Quillette by Joel Kotkin and Hügo Krüger called “The Coming Post-Covid Global Order“. It makes for grim reading, predicting the further decline of Western liberal democracies and the ascendancy of authoritarian China. The opening, in which the authors document the devastating impact of the lockdowns on the developing world, is particularly sobering.

The COVID-19 pandemic has devastated economics in the West, but the harshest impacts may yet be felt in the developing world. After decades of improvement in poorer countries, a regression threatens that could usher in, both economically and politically, a neo-feudal future, leaving billions stranded permanently in poverty. If this threat is not addressed, these conditions could threaten not just the world economy, but prospects for democracy worldwide.

In its most recent analysis, the World Bank predicted that the global economy will shrink by 5.2% in 2020, with developing countries overall seeing their incomes fall for the first time in 60 years. The United Nations predicts that the pandemic recession could plunge as many as 420 million people into extreme poverty, defined as earning less than $2 a day. The disruption will be particularly notable in the poorest countries. The UN has forecast that Africa could have 30 million more people in poverty. A study by the International Growth Centre spoke of “staggering” implications with 9.1% of the population descending into extreme poverty as savings are drained, with two-thirds of this due to lockdown. The loss of remittances has cost developing economies billions more income.

Latin America had seen its poverty rate drop from 45 to 30% over the past two decades, but now nearly 45 million, according to the UN, are being plunged into destitution as a result of the novel coronavirus pandemic. In Mexico alone, COVID-19 has caused at least 16 million more people to fall into extreme poverty, according to a study by the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM).

These trends undermine the appeal of neoliberal globalization across the developing world. The pandemic has forced people to stay in their countries, and has closed off the ability to move to wealthier places. With Western countries themselves in disarray, there’s been a growing temptation to adopt authoritarian controls modeled by China, which appears to have emerged from the pandemic and economic collapse quicker than the rest of the world. The pandemic could boost China’s great ambition to replace the West, and notably America, as the heart of global civilization.

Worth reading in full.

The Official Government Line?

A Lockdown Sceptics reader got a reply this week from their MP, Kelly Tolhurst. I’m reproducing it here because it reads to me like the official line provided pre-packaged from central command, albeit with some personal touches. (Although the bizarre, run-on sentences suggest it isn’t just being copied verbatim by Kelly’s researcher). Did anyone else receive something with words like these from their MP? Full of holes, obviously – I’ll leave it to readers to take it apart below the line.

I am terribly sorry to hear that your mother recently passed away, I can only imagine how difficult it was for you to say goodbye in that way and how hard it is to be around loved ones and not be able to kiss or touch them.

It is also very upsetting to hear about your business having to close after all the hard work you put into building it up through a tough period. Without knowing the extent and details of your financial situation it is hard for me to offer specific advice, however I have noted that this blog by Money Saving Expert has been very helpful for constituents with financial difficulties over recent months and hope it provides you with some useful information: https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/uk-coronavirus-help-and-your-rights/

Regarding our approach to tackling the coronavirus, I understand your frustration with the current restrictions on our normal lives, this is an incredibly difficult situation for everyone. Coronavirus is deadly and, unfortunately, it is now spreading exponentially in the UK. It is our responsibility to act to prevent more hospitalisations, more deaths and more economic damage. We know from recent history that when this virus keeps growing, unless we act together to get it under control, this is the result.

To be clear, our strategy is to suppress the virus, supporting the economy, education and the NHS. Local action is at the centre of our response. The virus is currently not spread evenly, and the situation is particularly severe in some parts of the country. Through the Joint Biosecurity Centre and NHS Test and Trace, we have built up a detailed picture of where and how the virus is spreading. NHS Test and Trace statistics show that testing capacity is up, testing turnaround times are down, and the distance travelled for tests is down too. Thanks to this capacity and analysis, we have been able to take a more targeted approach, keeping a close eye on the situation in local areas, bearing down hard through restrictions on a local level where they are necessary.

I believe that we must take firm and balanced decisions to keep this virus under control. This is the only way to protect lives and livelihoods, and we must act now. Delayed action means more deaths from covid, it means more non-covid deaths, and it means more economic pain later, because the virus comes down slower than it goes up. We should stop it going up in the first place. Unless we suppress the virus, we cannot return to the economy we had; unless we suppress the virus, we cannot keep non-covid NHS services going; and unless we suppress the virus, we cannot keep the elderly and the vulnerable safe and secure.

You also mentioned the range of scientific advice the Government is receiving, and I should point out that the Prime Minister, the Chief Medical Officer and other advisers have been talking to their Swedish counterparts regularly in order to learn lessons from there. They have also been talking to other European countries such as Belgium, which have taken measures, in order to learn internationally. We are all learning the best way to deal with this virus. We are trying to restore the NHS services that were suspended while we dealt with the initial impact of Covid. NHS England has issued guidance for the return of non-Covid health services to near normal levels, making use of the available capacity while protecting the most vulnerable from Covid. The way to minimise disruption to other treatments is to deal with this virus as effectively as we can, so that we do not have a huge spike of people with Covid being admitted to hospital.

“Breathing is Dangerous”

At least in Airstrip One you could still get closer than six feet

An Oxford University student and Lockdown Sceptics reader has written a powerful reflection on the loss of freedom. Here’s an excerpt.

Anyone who ventures out onto the high street will see long queues of masked and muted figures. They probably cannot breathe but, we are told, breathing is dangerous. So we hold our breath. These flimsy shields have become the marks of subservience to a policy that, no one can deny, is bewilderingly inconsistent. The Government has stated on numerous occasions how ineffective face-coverings are; in one document, published on June 23rd, it stated: “The evidence of the benefit of using a face covering to protect others is weak and the effect is likely to be small.” And yet, after only a few months, this symbol of conformity is now normalised and unquestionable. We have become literally silenced and distanced from one another. Why? Because scepticism spreads through communication and scepticism is contagious. According to one official within my university: “If you are comfortable talking to someone, then it is likely that you are not socially distanced.” Our statistical language cannot and does not speak to the sanity of human interaction.

This piece conveys the inhuman weirdness of being a university student at present. Worth reading in full.

First Do No Harm

Professor Ramesh Thakur, former United Nations Assistant Secretary-General and Professor at the Crawford School of Public Policy in Australia, has written a cracking piece in Spectator Australia on the real harms and dubious ethics of lockdowns.

We now know the fear-mongers were disastrously wrong, but persist with their heartless cruelty nonetheless. In April, the UN Economic Commission for Africa said “between 300,000 and 3.3 million African people could lose their lives as a direct result of COVID-19”. In February, Bill Gates warned of 10 million corona virus deaths in Africa. On October 15th, the real number was 38,977. Gates is a genius as a tech entrepreneur but his grasp of epidemiology is near the other end of the scale. Mind you, the tech sector is one of the very few to have done well financially from the lockdown.

The unbearable cruelty imposed by health bureaucrats without a distinguished medical research record has sucked the very humanity out of society: delaying interstate visits until too late to see a dying father or save one of the twins in the womb in need of urgent attention. As British MP Charles Walker said in a BBC radio interview on October 12th, for many elderly people, “being told that you’ve got to spend the next six or 12 months without human contact, without seeing the people that you love, without embracing your grandchildren, is a price too high”.

Millions will be pushed into extreme poverty.

Of course, the biggest tragedy will be across the developing world over the next decade, with over 100 million more people pushed into extreme poverty, 10s of millions of additional dead from increased infant and maternal mortality, hunger and starvation with more poverty and disrupted crop production and food distribution networks, sharp cutbacks in immunisation and schooling, and destruction of the informal sectors of the economy in which daily wage earners earn a pitiful living. Most countries will also need to prepare for potential spikes in mental health problems and suicides from the fear generated by exaggerated alarmism as well as the loneliness, isolation, financial ruin and despair caused by the lockdowns.

Read it in full here.

Unlikely Hero Emerges – 83 year-old Herd Immunity Advocate

Is this a sign that public opinion is beginning to shift? Last night, the BBC News included a lone voice of scepticism in the form of an 83 year-old Barnsley resident commenting on the Government’s decision to plunge 1.4 million people in South Yorkshire into a Tier 3 lockdown. In what must have been a nasty shock to the BBC team on the ground, the elderly shopper turned out to be a well-informed advocate of “Focused Protection”. The Mail has more.

The outspoken shopper told the broadcaster: “I think it’s all ridiculous, we should never have been in lockdown. All the people who were vulnerable should have been helped and kept home safe.

“And all the rest of us, I’m 83, I don’t give a sod.

“I look at it this way, I’ve not got all that many years left of me and I’m not going to be fastened in a house when the Government have got it all wrong.

“We need… how can we get the country on its feet? Money-wise? Where’s all the money?

“By the end of this year there’s going to be millions of people unemployed and you know who’s going to pay for it? All the young ones. Not me because I’m going to be dead.”

Can we put this woman on SAGE please? She seems to have a much better grasp of the situation than Sir Patrick Vallance.

Worth reading in full.

“I’ve not got that many years left of me and I’m not going to be fastened in a house.”

Here’s how one 83-year-old in Barnsley reacted to the news that tier three restrictions will be introduced in South Yorkshire from Saturday.

See more here: https://t.co/Kmf1y5Msfe pic.twitter.com/58YJYfIzvU

— BBC Yorkshire (@BBCLookNorth) October 21, 2020

Round-Up

  • “Manchester should mark the beginning of the end for senseless lockdown mania” – Strong piece from Liam Halligan in the Telegraph. Let’s hope he’s right
  • “Let the oldies like us shield… and let our young go free, say Deidre Sanders, Trevor Kavanagh and Peter Seabrook” – More support for GBD-style shielding in the Sun
  • “Red Box: October Focus Group” – The Times‘s Matt Chorley talks to pollster James Johnson about the public’s changing attitude to the Covid rules. People who were compliant in March and April now taking a “pick and mix” approach
  • “Trouble in the trough: how uncertainties were downplayed in the UK’s science advice on COVID-19” – Curious paper in Nature which, reading between the lines, reads like a brief for the prosecuting counsel in a criminal case against SAGE for corporate manslaughter
  • “How Cancel Culture captured campus” – Prof Eric Kaufmann in UnHerd on the real plague in our midst – the woke cult
  • “Arise Sir Ed, saviour of King’s College London” – Satirical piece in the Critic about the recent knighthood awarded to Ed Byrne, Principal of the least free speech friendly university in Britain
  • “The Strange Advent of Lockdown Denialism” – Good piece by Phillip W. Magness for the AIER about why the critics of the Great Barrington Declaration are pretending full lockdowns are a thing of the past
  • Dr. Reiner Fuellmich’s Video in English – A reader has pointed out that you can still view the German lawyer’s video, in which he describes the class action suit he’s bringing against various public health agencies, on this website
  • “Ask the people what we want to do about COVID-19” – New Change.org petition started by a 65 year-old asking the Government to consult those aged 65 and over what measures they would choose to see in place to protect them
  • “Is reaching Zero COVID-19 possible?” – Kingston Mills in CapX says Zero Covid is a misguided policy
  • “Met Police drop ‘race hate’ investigation into Darren Grimes and David Starkey” – Good news. Well done to the Free Speech Union
  • “The Covid Creed” – David Matcham in Conservative Woman thinks he’s found what lockdown zealots recite each morning
  • “What we can learn from Sweden” – Good even-handed piece from Harrison Pitt in Spiked
  • “The cruelty of the care home visit ban” – Nick Cohen in the Spectator on the awfulness of what we’ve done to our old and frail
  • “Facebook labels 2+2=4 ‘misinformation’” – Kit Knightly in OffGuardian on Facebook’s censorship of some basic IFR maths
  • “From ‘role models’ to sex workers: Kenya’s child labour rises” – AP News reports on the terrible consequences of lockdown in Africa
  • “In Proportion Dashboard” – Handy new feature on the staple sceptic site
  • “The World Health Organization in 2011 Warned Against a ‘Culture of Fear’” – Jeffrey Tucker, Editorial Director of the AIER, finds the WHO again not following its own advice
  • “Second wave is bringing a mental health crisis” – Alice Thomson in the Times on how the forever lockdown is taking its toll
  • “Lord Sedwill: ‘We didn’t have the exact measures’ for tackling Covid” – Turns out the Government was unprepared and hadn’t practised. Who knew?
  • “Lockdown didn’t work in South Africa: why it shouldn’t happen again” – Three academics in the Conversation take a closer look at the data
  • “Will a vaccine stop Covid?” – Informative rundown of the challenges facing vaccine development from Tom Chivers in UnHerd
  • “Death rates for hospitalised COVID-19 patients are now almost a QUARTER of what they were during the peak of the pandemic, studies show” – Yet another reason to go back to normal, from the Mail
  • “Police chief leading on Covid doesn’t know if households can mix indoors” – You know your rules are too complicated when… No wonder police are refusing to enforce them
  • “Letting the young go back to normal would be a disaster, says SAGE” – The Times has seen the minutes, and they’re as disappointing as expected for sceptics

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Lots today: “Everything Seems Bad” by Abbie and The Sawyers, “Bad As They Seem” by Hayden, “You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet” by Bachman-Turner Overdrive, “It’ll be Lonely this Christmas” by Mud, “Clampdown” by Bruce Springsteen and “Tiers” by Dusky.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

Toby featured Calvin Robinson’s tweet yesterday about equalities minister Kemi Badenoch’s response to a Labour question in Parliament telling schools in no uncertain terms that teaching Critical Race Theory and “white privilege” as fact is against the law. Today we bring you Calvin’s excellent piece in the Spectator.

Why, then, have schools been getting away with teaching highly contested political ideas as if they are accepted facts? The idea of ‘white privilege’, for example, is the principal element of Critical Race Theory, which teaches that white people are at a natural advantage and that black people are oppressed, based on nothing but the colour of their skin. CRT encourages a victimhood mentality among young black people, perpetuating the myth of white supremacy, and aligning blame for all societal problems on the white man.

CRT tells white people they are not only privileged but racist, either overtly or unconsciously. Under these rules, a white person can either admit their racist tendencies and be labelled with ‘white guilt’, or they can deny their unconscious bias and be accused of ‘white fragility’. It is a lazy Kafkaesque trap, completely closed off from challenge and criticism by design.

That is why it was so encouraging to see yesterday that Kemi Badenoch MP, the Equalities Minister, make a rousing address to Parliament during a Black History Month debate, in which she made clear that this is no longer to be tolerated. She said the government are avidly and actively against Critical Race Theory, and it has no place in our schools; any school politicising the curriculum is breaking the law.

Worth reading in full. He’s also written on the same subject in the Telegraph.

Little Known Fact: Calvin used to work as a Computer Science teacher at the West London Free School, the school co-founded by Toby.

Stop Press: In their lead article this week, the Spectator highlights how the recently published ONS figures on ethnic pay disparity put paid to any idea of “white privilege”. The article notes: “The ethnic group called ‘White British’ came only fifth in the pay rankings, with a median hourly pay that is 7% lower than ‘White and Asian’, 16% below ‘Indian’, 23% below ‘Chinese’ and a whacking 41% below ‘White Irish’. Among the under-30s, the ‘White British’ come out even worse: they are fifth from bottom, earning 2% less than ‘Bangladeshi’, 3% less than ‘Black Caribbean’, 13% less than ‘Black African’, 15% less than ‘Indian’ and 46% less than ‘Chinese’.”

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya – actual scientists, unlike Devi Sridhar

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last week and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it on Tuesday, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job).

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 600,000 signatures.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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Keep fighting the good fight, friends!

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China

The triumph of China’s Covid spin offers a terrifying glimpse of the West’s future
Our singular failure to come up with an alternative to draconian lockdowns will have world-transforming consequences

SHERELLE JACOBS
DAILY TELEGRAPH COLUMNIST
22 October 2020 • 6:00am
Sherelle Jacobs
If the prospect of a winter lockdown is nourishing your inner nihilist, I recommend bingeing on the latest Chinese blockbusters. Watching the films that have led Chinese studios to eclipse Hollywood sales for the first time in history is like staring into the Western abyss. Take The Wandering Earth – a sci-fi trending on Netflix about a mission to move our planet to a new galaxy after a spike in Jupiter’s gravity. It is Star Wars scrubbed of its limitless human progress and frontier spirit. In the peculiarly cyclical story – about protecting and reviving humanity on Earth rather than exploring the universe – the European linear conception of time is obsolete. (Unsurprising? Mandarin has neither a past or future tense, nor China a creation myth.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/22/triumph-chinas-covid-spin-offers-terrifying-glimpse-wests-future/#comment

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5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

I think China is creepy. Like an alien world. Taiwan and Hong Kong seem much more normal. God help us if China becomes the world’s superpower. This can never be allowed to happen.

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

“This can never be allowed to happen”

Oops, too late!

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OpenYourEyes
OpenYourEyes
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

It will be short lived. China lacks a consistent population surplus, something every global superpower needs.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  OpenYourEyes

Well, I suppose that just leaves some African country as the next superpower then.

Seems implausible…..

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John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  OpenYourEyes

“China lacks a consistent population surplus.”

What does that mean? I don’t understand your point.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

Chinese are liars

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

They are not alone.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  OpenYourEyes

And there’s still pockets of extreme poverty in China. They’re actually a tinder box waiting to explode.

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

It’s going to happen. Trump is the stopgap. The UK seems to be fully signed up, Huawei notwithstanding,as is Australia and Canada. This is just the beginning..

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

If we finally rid ourselves of the LibLabConSNP liars we can take back our country from the criminals in Parliament NHS the Banksters etc

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Let’s get on with it.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

No mention of China, so you are not from 77 Brigade.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

If 77 brigade was pure PR it would still operate effectively as divisive doubt and suspicion.
I have noticed more trolling so I expect there are ongoing experiments of different tacks against different profiles – for the machine seeks above all else to neutralise the designated threat’ or potential threat or potential infection vector for future threat.
😉

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

China is already a world superpower. However, it isn’t China that is causing financial armageddon, destroying health services and bringing martial law to a place near you.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

It may be said that extremely disproportionate wealth operates as leverage in many ways that run beneath the surface as black economy, and as networks of influence that operate through proxies or fronts, or front of fronts of fronts. the ability to set a false front and hide the trail is part of Corporate survival strategy. It is also one with Military and Intelligence operations. In fact none of the borders and lines of the surface world mean a lot to the correspondences and communications running beneath.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Brilliant Speech – everything you would want to say
“Herd stupidity!” Desmond Swayne calls out coronavirus fearmongering
Conservative MP Desmond Swayne gives a passionate speech in the House of Commons on fearmongering around the coronavirus pandemic and subsequent lockdowns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3d8DZwQlo&list=WL&index=68
****************************
Restaurant owner punished for opening door on a hot day speaks out on ‘Tucker’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paqGbcVtYIk
****************************
Melbourne’s ‘Dan Andrews apologist’ Lord Mayor must be voted out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgQuHG9zq0
Sky News host Alan Jones says Victorians have a chance to vote out Melbourne’s Lord Mayor Sally Capp, a “Dan Andrews apologist” who pretends to be independent.
***********************************

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LyraSilvertongue
LyraSilvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Interesting about that restaurant, because we’re exhorted to open as many doors and windows as possible at work, since apparently ‘maintaining air circulation’ will make sure the wind blows the evil spirits out of the room.

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miahoneybee
miahoneybee
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I agree. Next time you go shopping ( I avoid unless essential) try and find as many items as you can that dont say made in china..good luck with that.even eg clothes apparently from another country check the label and its origin. Its shocking. I have pointed this out to several people and their answer ” I never noticed”.I have noticed it creeping in for years. Start your notice yourself. I try to buy British when I can .can british industry even provide goods anymore?the government now seem hellbent on msking sure they never can again..

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  D B

meanwhile 9 Koreans died from the flu jab this week
https://strangesounds.org/2020/10/vaccine-death-south-korea-video.html

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  D B

and the poor Brazilian doctor volnteer died in the vaccine trial. They clai he was part of the placebo but surely that information cannot be released while the trial is ongoing. Anyway the control group received the meningitis jab. Maybe he died form that?

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  D B

and one last query on the ONS paying people to get repeat tests. £50 for the first test and £25 for each subsequent test. The tests are every week for 4 weeks then every month for 11 months which shows how long this will go on for. My question is if someone tests positive the first week and then the 2nd, do they count as one positive case or two?? Does anyone know?

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago

2nd

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Baa

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Now, now, no sheeple allowed here!

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

Hang in there guys

Everyone I know is ignoring the lockdown now

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

I certainly am today. Off to England, breaking out of Gulag Cymru.

Screenshot 2020-10-22 at 09.56.26.png
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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I’m breaking out this afternoon, and again tomorrow.

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Julian S
Julian S
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

And I am breaking in!

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

Let’s high five as we cross the border.

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LyraSilvertongue
LyraSilvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Might be useful to post if you get any intel on what eyes are watching what roads (if any).

Just remember, don’t answer if anybody says ‘good luck!’

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Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Oh how I wish I could say the same, I feel like a lone voice among my friends.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

You aren’t alone here!

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Ignoring anti-social distancing and mask wearing

But virtually all the pro-mask crowd now ignore any form of (anti)social distancing…

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Wish I could say the same.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Add one more. Yours truly.

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Suburbian
Suburbian
5 years ago

How many of us have lost friends from this? I know I have. I have found the way to build those friendships back up…when talking to people look for common ground. The common ground that every person in this country has at the moment is that we all think the government is useless.

Try it, it works. My neighbour is now talking to me again!

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

Havent lost any friends but there is one which I am avoiding contact with because she is pro-lockdown and her sister is a nurse who fuels this. We get close to arguments in messages. Funny thing is she has double standards by breaking the ‘rules’ to suit herself. Saddened that my Mother in law is also sucked in by all this and is afraid to have us visit her, yet on the other hand worries about her grandchildren forgetting who she is! I have no patience for that!

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Nurses and doctors in favour of lockdowns are like teachers not wanting to go back to the classroom.

They need to shut up and go and do their jobs. And if they don’t want to, they can quit. But enough of wanting the salary for no work.

When your friend’s sister signed up for being a nurse, presumably she was aware that she may need to come into contact with people who have infectious diseases?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

A nurse I know is the worst of the lot. In an utter panic about it all, constantly shouting about evil people who don’t wear masks and have the nerve to go to the pub – in a pandemic! She even puts a mask on her 3 yo when walking outdoors in the middle of nowhere… Needless to say he is now petrified of leaving the house in case he gets ill.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

She needs locked up for masking a 3 year old!!!

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dorset dumpling
dorset dumpling
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

You should take a look at this from the Monkey World web site:

Face Coverings. It is mandatory for all visitors aged 3 years old and over to wear a face mask / covering/ visor when visiting Monkey World, at all times apart from when seated in designated catering seating / picnic areas. Please see our Face Covering Policy for more information and what to do if you’re medically exempt. 

If you go to the face covering rules page on their web site there is all the information about which people are exempt and what to do if it applies to you.

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Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  dorset dumpling

Thought children under 11 were exempt?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Not at Monkey World.

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TT
TT
5 years ago
Reply to  dorset dumpling

It’s called Monkey World for a reason!

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Bill h
Bill h
5 years ago
Reply to  TT

Lol. 😅

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  TT

The monkeys no doubt have more intelligence than the management of the place!

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  dorset dumpling

Monkeys indeed.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  dorset dumpling

It’s easy, don’t ever go to Monkey World.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Maskholes want to cause brain damage to children:
https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Is she actually a nurse?

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Catherine
Catherine
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

My Aunt is a nurse (in her 60’s), and she is thankfully sane. Thinks it’s all a lot of nonsense!

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LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Which doesn’t say a lot about the education level of nurses.

A 3 yo is not going to develop a fully functioning immune system by putting a mask on him and protecting him from every virus.
It’s the use of antibiotics on small children and overcleanliness that’s led to so many with allergies.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

“Which doesn’t say a lot about the education level of nurses.”

I take exception to that statement fellah….

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John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Mr brother in law’s sister is a cardiologist. (That’s a specialist heart nurse). She has several medical qualifications.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

“Mr brother in law’s sister is a cardiologist. (That’s a specialist heart nurse).” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

A cardiologist is a physician who specialises in diseases of the heart. Bloody hell, it’s getting more like Twitter around here these days……

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

With nurses like her, who would want to use the NHS, even if you could.

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Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I’ve concluded that anyone in favour of lockdown is cruel and heartless with scant regard or life and well being.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Or just monumentally selfish.

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Cruella
Cruella
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Which nurses do you know that aren’t at work? How is it like the teaching profession? We’ve been at work for the duration. Stop talking out your arse you ignorant tit.

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

Now now. I know for a fact that large parts of Wythenshawe Hospital were closed for weeks and staff sent home. There was a bit of an uproar because management asked staff to use some of their leave in lieu of the time they were off work…..

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

Happened to the wife’s cousin’s daughter (is that 2nd cousin? cousin twice removed?) who is a nurse in a big hospital.

She’s been told over the past 7 months to take a 4 grade pay cut or be sent home on zero pay with her hours cut to zero leading to being laid off, was told that the hospital would not sign the furlough letter so she could claim under that scheme (would look bad on the hospital), sat at home for weeks as no work for them to do and management could not justify the staffing levels, had her hours cut to only a few shifts a week, been told her holiday entitlement was being used up when she was sitting at home and has been told not to speak to anyone about this treatment under veiled threats – but it slips out when they all sit having a family afternoon tea and gossip.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Is there any way she could be persuaded to speak out, anonymously of course, the way that ‘Jessica’ did on here a week or so ago?

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

Asked her, no chance.

Totally shit scared of reprisals.

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Cruella
Cruella
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

A four grade pay cut? I assume she is a registered nurse? So she was a Band 8 was she? A Matron? Being asked to be paid as a band 5 or a staff nurse? I think you’re talking nonsense. If any of what you’re saying is accurate then the ‘nurse’ you’re talking about is bank staff or agency not a permanent member of staff on a substantive contract. So it follows that there was no work for her during lockdown, this is the price paid for not commiting to a permanent post,working ad hoc. So your statement is exaggerated for effect. No substantive employee has been laid off or furloughed or made to take leave. This is not possible, sitting around maybe but not that. Plenty of middle aged fatties removed to offices away from patients too but not at home unless living with an immunosuppressed family member, and they had to go off unpaid.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

But the NHS was being over run wasn’t it?

All staff exhausted?

All reserves called in?

Armageddon?

NHS on the brink?

Everyone working 24 hrs a day 7 days week?

All beds full?

Patients dropping dead in the corridors?

And do one etc etc etc

So if it was this bad why were the non-substantive staff and contractors not working flat out?

What I have said about the wife’s relative was actually reported in the local newspaper as happening in Bristol and the nationwide mSM buried it.

So please – no more “we were being over run” stories if only core staff were required to keep it all going.

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Cruella
Cruella
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Who said ‘we were being over run’? Did I? Personally my colleagues and I have been working normally hard throughout and in full PPE. Those in OP departments were redeployed to the wards, some to ITU and to covid wards etc. I think they worked pretty hard out of their usual specialism. This is why no bank staff were needed or overpaid agency nurses. I personally have worked flat out as I always do, full time, plus my second job.
And yes, there will be patients on corridors and in store cupboards and old folk waiting six hours in an ambulance being used as a ‘bed’ before they even get reviewed and temporary wards being opened up overnight because there always is, every year. But you will continue to sit comfortably on your keyboard warrior bottom telling me how it is because your cousins, uncles, niece told you so.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

I’ve a friend in the USA who is a nurse and she told me how bad it was in the spring. She usually teaches students but was needed to nurse patients then. Things returned to normal in summer.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

And we don’t care about bank staff losing work in the middle of this crisis?

Interesting that you admitted that the ones left are ‘sitting around’. What does that mean for other life-threatening conditions? The all cause excess death data may begin to answer that question.

Not blaming you as nurses but it is wrong for the rest of the NHS to shut down for one, unexceptional, pathogen.

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I say there’s a whole bunch of NHS technicians that need to go to jail.

Building the “coronahoax” charge sheet: reckoning culpability for the deliberate inflation of Covid-19 death

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Quernus
Quernus
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

The application of double standards is quite eye-watering sometimes. The “holier-than-thou” attitude based solely (as far as I can see) on regurgitating whatever they’ve just heard on the news, usually followed with a complete disregard for any rule that doesn’t suit at that particular time. It’s the mindlessness of it that gets to me – I used to call it lazy thinking, but I can’t see any evidence of any thinking at all…

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T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Quernus

I can never understand the ‘if it saves just one life mentality’. Why, in these peoples log jammed minds, do ‘covid deaths’ trump every other death given that cancer kills 400+ every day in the UK?…..

These people think that they own the moral high ground with this absurd view when in fact they infest a cerebral wasteland of ill informed stupidity

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

‘they infest … stupidity’

Marvellous expression, T. Prince!

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Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

“Funny thing is she has double standards by breaking the ‘rules’ to suit herself.”

I noticed this early on. My sister-in-law was perfectly happy to have me expose myself to the virus to come and get her at a crowded airport after two transfers to two other crowded airports—in order to spare her son and his young children from “danger.” So, how does that work again? I am 73 . . . I am the one in a vulnerable group. I stated this a couple of times but she ignored it.

I see this over and over again People twisting themselves into knots to “shield” the **least vulnerable** while not giving a shite about exposing the actual vulnerable—if the latter is more convenient to someone or the person jsut refuses to “get” that kiddies are not in danger.

This is of course within the context that the whole freakout about transmission of the virus is hugely exaggerated.

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The Grubster
The Grubster
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

I’ve had to change subjects with conversations with certain friends, as it’s started getting heated. I tend to avoid lengthy conversations with them now. It infuriates me that they won’t even consider they’re is an alternative to all of the restrictions. They think I’m some conspiracy theorist who ignores the “facts” they’ve heard on the BBC. They’re surprised I don’t agree to “following the science” as I’ve got a PhD in physics. There isn’t a real scientist I know who agrees to the government’s “the science”. We tend to agree that SAGE have done more damage to science then the Catholic church.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  The Grubster

Remember it’s a cult. They will go to their graves believing

As with all cults friends and families try to save them, but it never works

Sad to say but don’t waste any more of your time, leave them to their fate

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I really don’t think all non-sceptics are in a cult. Some are just going along with it for a quiet life, or somewhat unquestioning or gullible. They will come over to our side.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think of it as being like the wars of religion. A handful of people had very strong convictions in favour of protestantism or catholicism and sometimes ended up dying for them, but the vast majority of people were happy to pretend to subscribe to whichever side they needed in order to avoid being burned at the stake. It’s not so much unthinking as cynical, and it does go some way to explaining the studies which have shown a large disjunct between what people claim to believe about the Government’s diktats and what they actually do in practice.

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NHS
NHS
5 years ago
Reply to  The Grubster

Bit harsh on the Catholic Church, which invented the university and has a great history of supporting astronomy. Copernicus, Mendel and Lemaitre were all in holy orders, so I would suggest that its track record is head and shoulders above SAGE.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  NHS

Also has the biggest astronomy library in the world amd continues to be a leader in it.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

They are experts in Saturn.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

No, it is spelt ‘Satan’.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

Satan is an expert on lockdowns, that’s for sure.

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John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  NHS

Definitely harsh on the Catholic church.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  NHS

Didn’t they invent the lockdown with Galileo?

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John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  The Grubster

True story. When I was at university in Manchester in the 1980s (studlying chemistry) the second placed physics student in his year of around 150 students was, like me, a Roman Catholic.

The Church doesn’t seem to have hurt him, but I wouldn’t accuse you of religious prejudice Mr Grubster.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

My wife basically has to keep me away from any social interaction. I have stopped holding my mouth shut about this a while ago and although I do it a calm, fact based respectful manner people look at me like I just told them that the Earth is flat. I guess I just don’t have any more patience with idiots, people who are awake to this madness have mostly been there either from the beginning or at least couple of months, for the other there is no hope.

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I’m with you!

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Ditto

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

It bothers me that so few will reply to information I send. That applies to ordinary people, to FRSs and former University Professors.

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Rosser
Rosser
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Same here. A part of me hopes Christmas is “cancelled” so I don’t have to endure the ridiculous Covid chat from the in-laws!

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

A good approach.

There are some people I’ve cut ties with whom I cannot forgive as they have been so complicit in this – especially educated, “intelligent”, politically aware people who have refused to engage with arguments or shown themselves to be self interested or both. Some have blanked me as soon as I have expressed sceptic views, without engaging. Them I cannot forgive either. That’s just rude.

Others I have tried not to burn bridges as I regard them more as victims.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

My mum was a Boris fan just two or so months ago. She totally bought into the covid lie. She now entertains the idea of the great reset and she knows regardless something is very wrong i.e. that the case and death figures do not match the tactics. I have a couple of friends like this also. Cutting ties with friends and family is something I try not to do because there is always time for them to change their minds.. plus a few months ago it would have meant no friends or family, no real contact with human beings at all.

Last edited 5 years ago by chaos
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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Anyone who admires Bozo Johnson needs psychiatric care and are similar to those who thought that Hitler was misinterpreted take Blair for example a narcissist

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

I sort of lost a friend when I wrote on FB that flu/pneumonia deaths exceeded covid for around 14 weeks. My friend wrote I was the reason he hated FB. I countered with “Facts?”. He came back with a link to a factchecker called Fullfact.org. I then consulted with a few folk on here who gave me enough ammunition to go back with a suitable reply. Soon after my friend deactivated his FB account. Foolfuckt?

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Suburbian

Well, I am not surprised.

The people who think you should be remorselessly obeying government, as useless as it is, won’t have your back in a spot. Find people who will. Let the dead bury the dead.

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago

Modern diagnostics

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

NHS technicians can’t find their own anus with both hands, so this cartoon is relatively positive.
Covid-19 is not flu

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago

The picture is not of Nero. It is of Xerxes’ soldiers whipping the Hellespont.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Well spotted. No Roman soldier worth his salarium would be seen dressed as a Persian.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Plus would not have worn a soft cap and a curly beard. My history buff inside was screaming but I’m glad there are other geeks here besides me 🙂

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Wasn’t it Caligula who got his army to fight Neptune, not Nero?

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Graham
Graham
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Yes – first thing I noticed. We had it in Herodotus in the original Greek at school. I was crap at Greek but that story stuck in my mind.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

The great lockdown of Wales is to arrive on Friday

I have a cunning plan to win back our freedom and save the economy

South Wales Police are currently issuing one 30 quid covid fixed penalty ticket a month

The population of South Wales is 299,229

That is .00000334192% of a ticket per person per day

If they crowd fund to pay the fine(s) at current rates it will cost each of them 0.0001002576 pence per day

Although I don’t agree with paying, it is a small price price to pay for a get out of jail free card

Yes 0.0001002576 pence per day to have your freedom back and save the economy

Just think of it as a covid tax

All we need now is a volunteer

I’ll pay monthly by direct debit

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Don’t pay: they will never collect.

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cloud6
cloud6
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Don’t give the manic obsessive lunatics running the Government (asylum) any more idea’s, ” covid tax “, they will bloody do it ! . The better idea would be do NOT pay any fine’s, mass non payment would screw that up.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

This covid19 is Johnson’s polltax moment

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Check out:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

Fight The Fines UK

Every day, ordinary Brits being fined, arrested and even assaulted by police for increasingly bizarre and unreasonable pandemic lockdown rules. We’re hiring a lawyer to fight back!

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

They even take PayPal.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I’ve just set up a monthly direct debit with the Fight the Fines UK organisers.

I hope those 4 Notts lads who got £10,000 each for hosting a party manage to get help from them.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Oooh!! 10k. Don’t pay, they will never enforce that

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The Fight the Fines organisation is to support people to access legal help to avoid the fines. Fines will be fought, not paid.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

When this is over We need political reform to guarantee our rights sovereignty and importantly to control our government and stop overeach

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I have no words, otherwise I would be too unkind, but the strongest objection obviously has to be indicated.

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago

This link was posted yesterday, but it is worth repeating here:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Spread the word! Fight the fines!

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago

All of Stacey Rudin’s articles are terrific.
You can find them at medium or AIER.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Day whatever. Is the pig dictator still stalking the land?

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Achilles
Achilles
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yes and haven’t you heard? Each family must now hand over 50% of their corn yield to feed NHS workers and on reaching 16 your first born son will be taken away to work in the vaccine factories.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

An offer of a job, fantastic, I’ll get him out of school now

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Is he going to demand a shag with every maiden before her wedding day? How the fuck is he leader?

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Ius primi porci.

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NHS
NHS
5 years ago

19th October looks high for the same reason that the 12th and 5th October look high. It’s a Monday.

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Milan
Milan
5 years ago

Interesting article from the 2018/19 about problems with Facebook “fact-checking” on BBC referring to article in the Guardian. This was 2 years before coronamania when these 2 media became prolockdown propaganda outlets.

-https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47098021
-https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/13/they-dont-care-facebook-fact-checking-in-disarray-as-journalists-push-to-cut-ties

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago

We are choosing economic destruction and loss of liberty in order to increase our chances of remaining alive this year from 99.95% to 99.96%.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

To quote Lord Sumption, ‘People are not obeying the rules, and why on earth should they’.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Many on here are disobeying. So far I’m still within the law but it won’t take much. Judging by the visitors my neighbours in tier 2 are getting, they are disobeying frequently. More power to them.
The trouble is how do we regain the social contract and trust in government, is it broken forever?

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

The government of the UK requires the consent of the governed under UK Common Law. If that is declining then the government is losing its legitimacy and the only route to recovery, as far as I can see, is the renewal of that consent through some sort of democratic process. I am not a constitutional lawyer so disclaimers apply. Perhaps someone can help us out?

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

As I have mentioned before ,the correspondent from the Netherlands on UK Column is absolutely brilliant on Common Law go to UK column for his links on this.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Alex Thompson on UKColumn recommended those interested in Common Law to visit WE-THE-PEOPLE.co.uk

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

All of our institutions have been compromised by taking part in the charade.

It is very likely there will be a reset of some sort – but a financial one, not that the WEF wants – and that most of our current structures will fall with the end of the current debt-based financial paradigm.

The post-1945 world is finished.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I agree. If collapse of the current financial system is not the aim of the current policies, it will definitely be a side effect.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Trust in the current crop of MPs has gone and cannot really be restored. It would take public self-immolation by all of them to convince me of their contrition.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Is it broken forever ? I’d say yes it is! Their actions during this man made scamdemic have shown what shallow arrogant conmen they really are.

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I didn’t follow the rules in the beginning so I’m certainly not now!.

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Achilles
Achilles
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Sorry I don’t really understand all those numbers but clearly you don’t care enough about grannies and should be ashamed.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Ah, I think you have found the Achilles heel. (OK, OK, I’m going).

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

My Granny was given Vioxx for arthritis and promptly developed heart failure. ( I was given Vioxx for Lyme disease about the same time but as it had no benefit I didn’t take it for more than a few days)

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham3

Merck pharmaceuticals, who released Vioxx about 20 years ago, was sued for releasing a drug they knew knocked down even young people with heart failure.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham3

I thought HCQ was good for Lyme disease.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Unfortunately, HCQ is cheap …..

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

You only need to read the comments on the Western Mail site to realise that some Pembrokeshire people would kill your granny, and probably their oen, if they thought it would help save their sordid, gutless, nauseating little selves from this almost entirely imaginary threat.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Sorry, should read Western Telegraph. The Mail is for zombies Wales-wide, the Telegraph just for the local coven.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago

Can I just confirm your article “Breathing is Dangerous”, oxygen is a highly corrosive element and damages the lungs with every breath. Therefore oxygen along with carbon dioxide should be removed from the atmosphere.

I had the misfortune to catch a little of some BBC program, it got global warming and the killer disease in. Pathetic.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Don’t forget the incredibly hazardous dihydrogen monoxide.
Kills hundreds of thousands every year it does!

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

About 600 people a year in Britain alone.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Eye-watering, ain’t it!

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell usBMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4037 (Published 21 October 2020)
Cite this as: BMJ 2020;371:m4037 
Linked EditorialCovid-19 vaccine trial protocols released
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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

I don’t think governments care whether they will save lives

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s purely about controlling us. They don’t give a damn about our lives or our health.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

No, I don’t either but an academic publication in a major journal should be valuable.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

It doesn’t need to. The lockdown cultists just need to believe it will. They don’t do facts.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago

Wear Your Mask
Submit To Control
Obey Big Brother

Dump Your Mask
Take Back Control
Regain Your Freedom

WE-THE-PEOPLE.CO.UK

Last edited 5 years ago by PastImperfect
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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

We need a written constitution and no more of the Royalty bs also consign the 18th class system to the bin of history where it belongs

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago

BMJ Rapid Response: Dr Noel Thomas challenges barrister Daniel Sokol over informed vaccine consent:- Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?  Daniel Sokol. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3933 Dear Editor, Daniel Sokol writes, “As far as I know, there is no legal authority for the proposition that doctors should disclose a risk that is negligible and immaterial, even if serious harm could result if it eventuates.” Will Sokol please explain how one can asses that a risk is negligible and immaterial, if it can also cause serious harm? Legal precedent exists for a surgeon being judged culpable because he did not discuss, pre operatively, a risk accepted as serious, albeit in only about one in a thousand instances. Damages of £4.4 million were awarded in that case. (1) It is no secret that we have a dysfunctional system of informed consent to vaccination in the UK. No one has dissented, when this has been pointed out many times in recent years. (2) One example is the warning in the Bexsero vaccine Patient Information Leaflet that Kawasaki disease may follow the vaccine, in “ up to one in a thousand people .” (3) In the first… Read more »

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

I wrote to the GMC about mandatory vaccinations and this is what I got back. Somewhat equivocal: Dear Mr XXXXXX Thank you for your email about mandatory vaccinations for coronavirus. I thought it might help to start by clarifying that we are able to advise on our expectations of doctors in relation to our guidance, but not on government policy. Whilst we can’t tell doctors what to do in a particular situation, we can advise on the principles in our guidance which might be relevant in helping them decide how to proceed. Our guidance In our core guidance, Good medical practice we are clear that patients must be able to trust doctors with their lives and their health and respect patient’s rights to reach decisions with doctors about their care and their treatment (see Good medical practice, duties of a doctor).  In our Consent guidance, in our paragraphs under the subheading, ‘Ensuring that decisions are voluntary’, we say that patients must not be put under pressure by employers, relatives or others to accept a particular investigation or treatment (paragraph 41).  We also say that doctors must respect a patient’s decision to refuse an investigation or treatment even if they think it… Read more »

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I no longer trust our NHS or my GP with my health. That trust has long dissipated.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Stimulated by Victoria and others here, I asked for the hazard sheet or package insert for my shingles vaccination (Zostavax) this week (only on offer to the over 70’s,’ because it’s expensive’ according to nurse. I’ve actually had wild virus chickenpox as a child but didn’t think it mattered). Produced a copy for me without difficulty, although nurse told me only had one copy per box of 30. So then I asked for same for flu vaccine received previous week, again produced one without difficulty. Nurse commented that nobody usually asked, although for children’s meningitis vaccinations they get supplied with enough copies per box to hand out one per dose. I’ve never been offered one for 2 previous flu jabs. They’re both the usual sort of medicines leaflet, similar to a surveyor’s report on a house, you’d never buy it if you were totally risk averse. Flu lists the 2 Type A, one Type B strains included this year. As I’ve never had flu in my life and never knew anyone who did in 1957-8 or 1968-9, nor had any reaction to vaccination other than transient upper arm soreness, I’m not that bothered if I have it or don’t. Decided… Read more »

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The GP whom I saw on Tuesday did exactly as advised in Good Medical Practice; while treating a small benign skin lesion, he asked if I would like to have the flu vaccine as well, to save time.

After a brief discussion I declined and he was entirely in agreement,emphasising that it is entirely voluntary and he knew of many valid reasons why some people refuse.

My bare face was accepted too; no hostility at all.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

This looks pretty much OK – correct advice but is it the practice? Obviously not often enough.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

It looks OK but what they DIDN’T say was that, given this is their policy, it meant that they would NOT support mandatory vaccination. So they have left themselves wiggle room.

Anyway, now the law has changed they can get more or less anyone to give vaccinations so even if doctors refuse they can get someone else to do it

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That is an important point (though I guess mostly vaccines were delivered by nurses). However, the government should still be bound I should imagine by the Montgomery ruling.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think perhaps the GMC is not in a position to give an undertaking on mandates – but I think Hancock and Simon Stevens who would love mandates will not get them for reasons of greater government liability for injury.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

All sounds nice, but I do not trust doctors or the NHS to be concerned about my well being. I intend to do my best to have my current location disappear from their records.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago

Van Morrison (for tis he) tweeted that the Northern Ireland executive has published its scientific evidence for lockdown. This government document, produced by ‘experts’ includes the word ‘anectodoatal’. Boy, are they clever…
https://twitter.com/vanmorrison/status/1318906142987255810

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Amazing how much of it says “low impact”.

Looking at their references all they refer to is UK Government links – no science, no independent research, nothing.

It’s all bollocks.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

“It’s. All. Bollocks.” You are the government’s mystery three word slogan writer, and I claim my five pounds!

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

“This government document, produced by ‘experts’ includes the word ‘anectodoatal’.”

That is probably Ulster Scots 😉

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Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Nah – Aztec – rhymes with Quetzalcoatl

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

You could have finished with “I’ll get my coatl then”.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago

Congrats to Toby and crew. The updates are getting stronger by the day, great work!

Theme tune suggestion.The late, great Richie Havens cover of Motherless Child at Woodstock. Freedom! Worth staying in for the last verse 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwXtYEtngpA

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago

The fact that there can be so much discussion of the epidemiological minutiae shows this whole situation up for what it is.

If there were really some awful disease going around which would justify the extreme measures taken, then there would be no such discussion. It would be bleeding obvious what was going on.

Furthermore, the very fact that these measures – distancing, lockdowns, masking – are being mandated by government is very telling. People want to live, we have honed our survival instincts over millions of years. If there really were a dangerous panic, then people wouldn’t need to be told what to do.

It’s all one big charade.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Exactly my thought when the plebs say “You’re not a medical expert…”

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

My response to this sort of objection is:

“I’m not an aeronautical engineer either, but I know a jumbo jet when I see one”.

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Kev
Kev
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Don’t need to be a farmer to recognise bullshit

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

It’s a “kill the messenger” gambit. But it’s not about me, it’s about the facts.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Weathermen … Morituri … Takes me back.

Thanks Johnson.

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2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

This was the best ever comment on LS :

“if there was a real pandemic, the government and the media would do everything to calm us down”

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Excellent point.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Yes. One of the old apocalyptic writers, John Wyndham I think, wrote something like ‘the time to be worried is when the newspapers print only GOOD news.’

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VickyA
VickyA
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

All these measures…what we used to refer to as “rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic”

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Excellent points!

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I genuinely think anyone of average intelligence can be an epidemiologist and make predictions as good (or as bad) as the average epidemiologist about future Covid case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths. Spend an hour or two perusing some graphs and reading up on the disease from credible sources (ignore Imperial College papers) and you’ll be in the ball park.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

My dad had the answer to that.
Get some anhydrous copper sulphate. Put in dish.
Put dish outside.
If the copper sulphate turns blue, then it’s raining

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John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

“If there really were a dangerous panic, then people wouldn’t need to be told what to do.”

Well, there’s certainly been a dangerous panic.

Did you mean “dangerous virus”?

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago

I was a bit surprised when I saw the opening sentence of today’s edition :

“Yesterday saw the biggest daily rise yet in positive tests reported: 26,688.”

As if this was a significant fact, rather than the main plank of the current scam.

We here know that PCR tests are as reliable as a plasticene ruler as indicator of infection and disease – especially when raw figures are used. The sources of error in the testing are numerous in terms of locating significant viral matter, as was stated clearly be Kary Mullis :

“if you can amplify one simple molecule up to something that you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there’s just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of them in your body. ”

I know that the article rightly goes on to question the lack of other indicators – but first sentences are important, but the concept that PCR testing should be used as the prime diagnostic needs to be constantly knocked on the head. It’s an unscientific fraud.

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Yes – if we accept the PCR nonsense, then we make the task of truth significantly harder.

It is a flawed premise, and therefore everything built on it is wrong.

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TT
TT
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Even the term “PCR test” is grossly misleading in my opinion… PCR is an amplification procedure that was never intended to be used as a first-line diagnostic tool.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Another way of looking at it, is maybe as a gateway headline. If people visit for the first time, they’re seeing something that’s familiar from the MSM sites and might be more likely to lure them in?

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Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Possibly – but I’m dubious. Starting off with what is subliminally a confirmation of the major myth is not a good idea.

Even in those terms, there is an immediate refutation that could be presented – in the form of the CEBM graph, which shows an essentially flat trajectory :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/tracking-uk-covid-19-cases/

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

A pity the last five-year average was not included in the diagram.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Not if your an MP with shares in a testing company it isn’t

Tulip bulbs anyone?

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

In fairness, Will did use “positive tests” rather than “cases”.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Actually used “cases” in quotes, in the headline.

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Achilles
Achilles
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Agreed

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Ah but there is money to be made and that’s the real motivation!

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

They are not cases until they are admitted to hospital. They are people testing positive to the PCR test which has a high rate of false positives. Indeed these people should be subject to a different test a few days later to check the reliability. We also learn today that people who are tested twice count as two so called cases….fraudulent to say the very least

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I think it was on LS that someone posted the following about defining a case of an infectious disease which is ‘notifiable’ like this one.
1) experience symptoms from infection
2) be ill enough to seek medical care or advice.
The physician then suspects correct diagnosis and most often sends a sample to the lab. Tests must come back positive and the case must be reported. What we have instead of a case is a ‘positive test’ – and even on the test packet it states that a positive test is not necessarily a sign of infection as it needs to be taken in context of the diagnosis, IMO Toby should not use the word CASE

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Why not just use a more reliable test or let people who are feeling sick get tests?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Because the “pandemic ” would disappear overnight without the pillar 2 tests.

No wonder they’re called pillars – they’re propping up the whole scam.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago

Lockdowns ‘kill more Britons than they save’: Leading economists warn that Government’s coronavirus strategy is coming with a heavy price Three experts gave evidence to Treasury Committee urging rethink in approach Two of them claimed blanket lockdowns caused more suffering than mitigated    They urged policymakers focus resources on protecting elderly and vulnerable Decent coverage, but who is this Tony Yates buffoon and where does he get his ideas from? “Tony Yates, of think-tank the Resolution Foundation, was cautious of relaxing restrictions too speedily but said the first lockdown should probably have ended sooner. … Mr Yates pointed out that global data simply did not apply to the UK, where Covid-19 seems to have caused proportionally many more deaths. … He said: ‘To me there is no alternative except for stumbling through these lockdown measures, hoping that test and trace improves, hoping that a vaccine comes. The only alternative is a regular harvest of about 0.6 per cent of the population.‘” So somehow he believes that this disease will “harvest” a percentage of people greater than the known ifr, or at best comparable to it if you assume we have a particularly vulnerable elderly population rather than making the more plausible… Read more »

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Video of the Committee meeting is here:

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/1553ddbf-9b39-4866-80ea-44fd6a505153

More about Tony Yates here:

https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/about-us/team/tony-yates/

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Says it all – Tony Yates – Macroeconomic Policy Unit Research Associate.
Part of the problem …

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Looks like an intelligent chap. How does he end up being so profoundly stupid on the disease front? In fairness, I haven’t watched the coverage you also linked, so perhaps the Mail misrepresented his views.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Mr Yates possibly has the backing of a billionaire or pharmaceutical company.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

At least Mr. Yates recognises that all we are doing is “stumbling” along and “hoping” for something to turn up.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Is he an idiot?
Obviously. ‘A regular harvest of 0.6% of the population’. The dodgy PHE/ONS figures don’t even back that up.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Are hospitals/GPs using early-stage interventions such as well-documented, safe, effective and cheap HCQ treatments?

https://hcqlost.com

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Do the rolling numbers refer to the UK, the US, the world??

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago

I know this isn’t a particularly good historical parallel – but I keep thinking on it.

In 410 (or there abouts) Rome told the Romanised citizenry of Britain they could help them no longer to keep out the marauding Picts, Irish and Saxons and to look to their own defences. Will there yet be a 410 moment with this government?

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

No, I think it’s a pretty good historical comparison.

Empires, governments, never voluntarily draw back. They retreat when they run out of resources – ie money.

The West now is in a very similar position to the later Western Roman Empire.

I recommend you look at the financial position of the UK government.

This is before the tsunami of boomer retirements really gets going, with pension, health services and care obligations which are unfunded and clearly unfundable.

Something has to give.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

There is one difference, the old Empires had money made from metals, our new Empires can produce endless digital currency (and they certainly have this year!).

They are obviously not going to miss this opportunity to reset government debts and strengthen their hold over the population with a trackable digital currency – this could be perpetual enslavement if people don’t wake up.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Spot on! This is definitely where this is all heading – digital currency, trackable health status, probably universal basic income and exclusion for those whom the state cannot monitor. Why let a good pandemic go to waste?

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yes, I think it will be the financial costs that will cause a retreat not the madness of it. (Though I note what Darryl says below – is money real an more?)

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

I think that Biker might save the day with a Pictish army, as he tells us frequently that he’s a proud Pict.

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

With a band of Pict men.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago

How many of the 650 MP’s are in the know of the Great Reset and how many are just dense jolly hockey sticks types?

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Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

The enormous majority of them are as thick as two short planks.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

They are making loads of money they don’t give a shit

In addition to their salaries and proceeds of crime (sorry expenses) they will have been given the inside track on what companies to buy shares in etc

In advance they will know the date of government announcements and how that will effect this or that share price

Expensive consultancies and jobs on boards.

They do not want this to end it’s a goldmine

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

If you are comfortable talking to someone, then it is likely that you are not socially distanced.

WOW.

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago

It’s heartening to see all these comments. It works like a release valve. I feel that there are many others who think and talk like me, who have the capacity for rational thought and don’t believe in the madness that has taken over a vast majority of people since March.

i know it feels like swimming against the tide with both hands behind you back, but please keep Telling your stories and comments, even if just for my sanity!

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MrPudgy
MrPudgy
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

And mine

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Nobody here has any intention of letting up until this country is free.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Indeed. The refusal of one brave man (Nick Whitcombe) to close his gym, has resulted in all gyms being allowed to stay open in all tiers. The government presumably wanted to avoid the bad publicity of a prosecution and imprisonment. It shows change CAN happen if ordinary people fight back.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Agreed! I fight back depression with this terrible situation. When I come to this site, I am lifted up. Thanks to all of you!

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Cotton
Cotton
5 years ago

Is anyone else terrified of what they are going to implement when the standard winter respiratory hospitalisation rates start going up. Victoria here we come.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cotton

Fear is failure. Think of it as an opportunity to learn new stuff – subversion, guerrilla tactics, sarcasm, alternative means of communication, etc.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I consider this country to be now under hostile government, similar to that of an occupying army. So I will definitely be brushing up on my subversion tactics.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Yep, has to be done.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago

Real or gone into hiding?:

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/news/health-minister-robin-swann-self-isolating-after-receiving-exposure-alert-0

HAHAHAHA

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago

the way things going the makers of Lemsip are going to need a government bail out

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago

Good news folks! My first recruit: waiting in chemist to collect prescription, young man, bare faced standing nearby.

I greeted him and acknowledged his lack of mask.

He can’t stand them;won’t wear one,and has been thrown out of a couple of shops.

Luckily I had a spare badge which I gave him with a few tips.

Off he went, one happy customer: every little helps!

I’d despaired of gaining any converts but hopefully, he’ll spread the word now.

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