SAGE Predicts Second Wave Will Be Worse Than First

The Government has been caught using secret, non-peer-reviewed SAGE modelling again. When’s it going to learn? The Telegraph has the exclusive.
An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.
It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.
“It’s going to be worse this time, more deaths,” said one well-placed source. “That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again.”
The report continues (though fails to mention that the 367 deaths reported yesterday followed two days of 102 and 151 so that the average has not risen by much).
Details of the UK projection emerged as the Government announced that a further 367 people had died with Covid – the highest daily figure since May, bringing the UK total to 43,365.
Dr Yvonne Doyle, the medical director of Public Health England, said: “We continue to see the trend in deaths rising, and it is likely this will continue for some time. Each day we see more people testing positive and hospital admissions increasing.
“Being seriously ill enough from the infection to need hospital admission can sadly lead to more Covid-related deaths.”
Health officials expect the death toll to reach 500 a day within weeks.
Meanwhile, SAGE finally admits that lockdowns don’t work.
Professor Wendy Barclay, a SAGE member and scientist from Imperial College London, on Tuesday said none of the current restrictions appeared to be having a significant impact on the spread of the virus.
“The total lockdown that we had back in late March was enough to turn the tide and get the virus back under control,” she told Times Radio. “So far, none of the other restrictions that we’ve seen, and none of the other actions, seem to have done that.”
Ok, so she actually said nothing short of full lockdown works – wholly ignoring the fact, admitted by Chris Whitty in July, that infections in the spring were falling well before the lockdown began. And are daily positive tests currently rising? Here’s the graph by specimen date:

They went up around October 19th but there’s no sign of further growth in over a week now, even allowing for reporting delays. What about hospital admissions in England? The latest data shows them flat since October 21st:

This level of admissions is not unusual for the autumn. As noted on Lockdown Sceptics last week, admissions with respiratory infections always rise through October and November and go crazy in December. October 2016 had 24,500 such admissions in England. Up to October 24th there have been 16,260 Covid admissions, with seven days to go, so very similar. And as the ONS pointed out yesterday, “The numbers of deaths in hospitals remained below the five-year average in Week 42.” (Week ending October 16th.) While it may be that winter 2020-21 turns out to be somewhat worse than previous winters, given that some parts of the country were likely prevented by the spring lockdown from reaching herd immunity before summer arrived, it would hardly be surprising. But none of this amounts to a devastating “second wave” that justifies ongoing ruinous, totalitarian restrictions.
As for deaths at “500 a day within weeks”, why is Spain still only seeing around 130?

Thank goodness Boris seems so far to be resisting the siren calls of the prophets of doom. But with these whispers in his ears, neither is he likely to be doing an about turn and embracing a liberal, focused protection approach any time soon.
How We Know Immunity Lasts – Whatever Imperial Says
One of the big stories yesterday was the latest data from Imperial’s REACT antibody survey showing that SARS-CoV-2 antibody levels in England have dropped by over a quarter in three months. The Telegraph has the details.
The mass research indicated that, by last month, fewer than one in 20 people had developed antibodies to Covid. Commissioned by the Department of Health, it is part of the largest piece of a research programme informing Government policies.
Its findings showed that by June, after the first wave of the pandemic, just 6% of the population had developed antibodies, which suggest some level of protection against the virus. Three months later, that figure had dropped to 4.4%, with most of the decline happening within just six weeks.
The sharpest fall was seen in those most in need of protection, with antibody levels among the over-75s reducing by close to 40% between June and September.
Scientists said the findings showed Britain is “miles off” achieving herd immunity, which they warned might never be reached without a vaccine.
However, the research did not examine the role played by other forms of immunity. Some scientists believe the part played by T-cells – a type of white blood cell that helps the immune system fight off viruses and is linked with prior infections by common colds – could be more crucial in fighting the virus.
Scientists analysed home fingerprick test samples from hundreds of thousands of adults to establish “detectable antibody levels” over a period of three months, and found levels fell by 26.5% overall.
The largest fall was among those most vulnerable to serious illness from Covid. Among those aged 75 and over, antibody levels fell by 39%, while a drop of only 15% was seen in those aged between 18 and 24.
The lead researcher is Helen Ward, a professor of public health at Imperial. She says:
I think what we are showing is that there is a really big challenge to that, which is that immunity is waning quite rapidly. After three months, we’ve already shown a 26% decline in antibodies. When you think that 95 out of 100 people are unlikely to be immune, and therefore likely to be susceptible, then we are a long, long way, from anything resembling a population level protection against transmission.
It is staggering that it is October and Prof Ward can still assert, largely unchallenged by journalists and politicians, that 95% of the country are susceptible. How is it that the lead researcher of a key Government antibody survey is still in the dark about long-lasting and pre-existing T-cell immunity, as Dr Mike Yeadon explains here, Peter Doshi in the BMJ explains here, and the CEBM explain here? There has been close to zero reinfection so far, and almost all the tiny number of documented cases of reinfection are mild, which as these immunologists explain, is exactly what we would expect, antibodies or not. Besides, when it comes to coronaviruses, “immunity” doesn’t necessarily mean never-get-it-again, it means the immune system is primed so even if a virus does breach some defences it is much less likely to breach all of them and cause serious illness.
Yet Professor Wendy Barclay, head of the Department of Infectious Disease at Imperial, agrees with her colleague, saying Britain is “miles off” herd immunity:
Seasonal coronaviruses that circulate every winter and cause common colds can reinfect people after six to 12 months – and we suspect that the way that the body reacts to infection with this new coronavirus is rather similar to that. We don’t yet know what level of antibody is needed in a person’s blood to protect them from infection or reinfection from SARS-CoV-2, but of course that level is a crucial thing to begin to understand. Most of the vaccine strategies are aiming to produce that level, and that level will feed into whether or not a population becomes immune or has any level of immunity.
It is odd that Prof Barclay claims that most of the vaccines are aiming to produce enough antibodies to protect from infection, as the trial protocols state otherwise. As Peter Doshi explains in the BMJ: “None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.” All they are doing is testing to see whether mild symptoms become milder. That’s primarily because serious symptoms are so rare trials can’t detect enough of them to obtain reliable results. Yet the scientists at the heart of advising the Government appear to be unaware of this fact. What hope then for the politicians?
But back with declining antibodies, and Harry de Quetteville has written an extraordinarily misleading piece in the Telegraph, a classic of the genre. To keep it brief:
- “With the four other coronaviruses that just cause us colds, antibodies generated by natural infection can be short-lived and we can suffer again as soon as six months later… Of course, the fact we repeatedly suffer from those four other coronaviruses suggests that natural T-cell response is unlikely to confer long-lasting immunity.” No, first because there is a huge variety of viruses which cause colds, not just coronaviruses, which is the main reason we keep getting them. And second, reinfection with the same virus is often mild because of immunity.
- “Vaccines prompt our bodies to work in ways they wouldn’t do normally – that’s the point.” It really isn’t. Vaccines stimulate natural immune responses by simulating infection. Anything a vaccine can do will typically be done more effectively (if more riskily) by natural infection.
- “The very prospect of declining natural immunity is devastating to those who want to ‘let the virus rip’. What if we did, thousands died, and yet a few months later there was no benefit, in terms of immunity?” Leaving aside the “let rip” slur – who’s Harry supposed to be quoting here, given that not a single advocate of focused protection has used that phrase? – declining antibodies are not necessarily declining immunity, and places like Sweden, London and New York are the elephants in the room for the supposedly unanswerable “what ifs”.
- “This study is a reminder of what has been true about coping pre-vaccine from the beginning: to control transmission without draconian lockdowns, tests must be combined with effective contact tracing.” Yet no European country has run a successful test and trace programme. This is because, as the GBD FAQ explains, contact tracing “does not work for widely spread diseases such as annual influenza, pre-vaccine measles, COVID-19, or, by definition, against any pandemic”. Is Harry just reproducing a press release from Matt Hancock’s officer verbatim?
- “We cannot be sure about durability, but even if it does not confer eternal immunity, a vaccine could still provide long enough immunity essentially to eliminate transmission, with breakout infections being rare, and, hopefully, as is often the case, less severe.” Then, suddenly, an acknowledgement that less than perfect immunity provides a decent level of personal and community resistance. But, oddly, only if it’s conferred by a vaccine rather than natural infection. Huh?
Stop Press: Prof Sunetra Gupta was on talkRADIO yesterday defending focused protection, herd immunity and the GBD in the light of the new panic around fading immunity. Watch it here. If anyone has time to rustle up a transcript for us we’ll publish it in a future update.
How Covid Deaths Are Over-Counted

Today we’re publishing a new piece by pathologist and longstanding Lockdown Sceptics contributor Dr Clare Craig on how the data shows there is something seriously wrong with how we are counting both cases and deaths. From the introduction:
The system for counting deaths from Covid is not working properly and we are over-counting Covid deaths. This can be fixed, easily, by improving cross-checking and retesting all alleged positive PCR test results. Accurate data is a basic prerequisite for good policy choices. The remedial steps needed are simple and relatively inexpensive. Central government should mandate them to be done immediately.
When trying to understand the impact of increased testing on case numbers we look to the percentage of tests reported as positive. In a similar way, it is important to double check other data points against each other, as percentages, to truly understand how the epidemic is progressing. Using this approach, it appears that we are over-counting deaths because there are not enough severely sick people from Covid to account for them. In other words, there are proportionately more Covid deaths per case and per hospital admission since the Summer. This paper explains this phenomenon and calls for proper scientific cross-checking to be instituted before a Covid outbreak is declared.
This is a long but important article and rewards reading in full.
Normal Annual Mortality Predicts COVID-19 Death Toll

Here is a neat graph showing how a heavy Covid death toll is largely a problem for countries with low overall annual mortality. Those six countries with Covid deaths over 50 per 100,000 are (from left to right) France, Sweden, Italy, the United Kingdom, Spain and Belgium. Low mortality countries have more people in the older, more vulnerable age brackets. The big white space in the top right of the graph shows that no European country with high annual mortality has yet suffered a high Covid death toll.
The semi-outlier with a Covid tally of 33.7 per 100,000 is Romania, which is currently experiencing something of an autumn surge after coming off lightly in spring. It’s worth knowing though that January to May 2020 saw 4,905 fewer deaths in Romania than in the same period in 2019, despite the country suffering around 1,200 Covid deaths in that time. This might be why it is being hit harder by Covid now – the dry tinder wasn’t ignited earlier in the year.
While there are a number of countries that have both low annual mortality and low Covid mortality (the 10 or so in the bottom left), the data suggest normal annual mortality is a significant predictor of Covid deaths.
Deaths Above Average – But It’s Not Just Covid

Deaths in England and Wales were significantly above average for the first time since the late spring, with 669 deaths or 6.8% above the five-year average in the week ending October 16th, according to the latest ONS figures. With Covid deaths also on the rise in October it would be easy to put this all down to the so-called ‘second wave’. However, a closer analysis tells a different story. For one thing, despite rising hospital admissions, hospital deaths are still below average (by 184), while deaths in homes continue well above average (by 776), and deaths in care homes are now above average as well (by 90). While some of this will be transfer of people who would normally die in hospital dying at home and in care homes, not all of them would necessarily have died if they’d received hospital care (which of course is why we have hospitals). What’s more, a regional analysis shows overall deaths rising in the South West, the West Midlands and the East Midlands despite no corresponding rise in Covid deaths, and overall deaths declining in Yorkshire despite Covid deaths rising. This suggests it is other causes, many of them likely lockdown related given the absence of flu this year, that is driving the increase in excess deaths.
BBC Runs Advertorial For Chairman Dan

We received an email from Freddie Attenborough, the author of the some of the strongest pieces we’ve published on Lockdown Sceptics, such as this one on the infantilisation of dissent, drawing our attention to a BBC article portraying the lockdown in the state of Victoria – one of the most draconian in the world – as a huge success. We’ve decided to run it as a guest post…
It appears that The Office for the Premier of Victoria bought some advertorial space with the BBC yesterday. Great to see them celebrating their success (and great too to see the BBC finally embracing a private-sector funding model)! Apparently, Victoria’s lockdown has been an absolute blast from start to finish. Everyone’s happy and the good people of Melbourne, in particular, have been left feeling like theirs is the best of all possible worlds (“Who needs a job, anyway?” “I never liked running a business!” “Money only burns a hole in your pocket!” “I like a man in uniform to treat me nice and rough every now and then!” “The tumour will probably go away if I give it time,” and so on). Did you know that? I didn’t know that. We must get out more. I completely get why Victoria feel the need to shout from the rooftops about this. True, people in that state haven’t been allowed to come out from under their beds yet. But lockdowns so obviously work that it seems a little churlish to ask them to wait before cracking open the bubbly. It’ll be over before Christmas! “I have here, from Herr Coronavirus, a piece of paper!” It’s peace for our time! Etc.
In describing the piece as an advertorial, I was perhaps being a little unfair. After all, the BBC do appear to have insisted on the values of objectivity and impartiality being upheld throughout. Towards the end of the piece, for instance, “serious mistakes” are identified within Victoria’s response to the coronavirus. Obviously, having the police beat up and strangle a young woman on the streets of Melbourne for not wearing a mask isn’t one of them. I know that fuddy-duddy conservatives like yourselves, with your rule of law, constitutionality and checks and balances and what not (yawn) continue to labour under the misapprehension that it was. But the BBC have got a Royal Charter. They provide “trusted world and UK news”, which must be true, because it says so on their trusted world and UK news website. Indeed unlike some journalists I could mention, what they don’t do is rabble-rouse for white supremacist organisations like the Spectator or – worse – the micro-aggressive Free Speech Union. Facts – that’s their currency. Strangling women to stop a virus from spreading? Fine. Eggs and omelettes. Nothing to see here. Just ordinary police work. No need to mention it. Move along. No, the “serious mistakes” identified by the BBC appear to centre on the way the authorities didn’t actually have enough power during lockdown. That’s right, not enough power. Sadly, it seems that those irritating “disease-vectors” we once whimsically – and perhaps, as it turns out, a little too carelessly – used to refer to as “citizens” proved frustratingly recalcitrant and didn’t do what they were told often enough.
It’s in these little glimpses of what the lockdown zealots view as “mistakes” that you can guess at one possible future for us all. One way or another, lockdown is going to be a success in Victoria. Heads they win, tails you lose. That’s why we can all start to celebrate before the lockdown’s over. The lockdown, as a system, is efficacious. We know that already. Yay! Woop! Three cheers for Professor Pantsdown! Etc. It follows therefore that if it hasn’t worked, it’s not the lockdown system itself but the disease-vectors within the system that are to blame. And the next step in the event of the lockdown system being failed by the vectors? Do it all over again, but this time with greater powers arrogated to the state. All disease vectors must be protected from themselves and each other. Lockdown everything. “Silence! Stand back! Look at the floor, you cur! Declare your pathogens! Confess to your exposures! Breathe intermittently and then only in a shallow manner! Excessive diaphragmatic movements will be monitored from above by drones! Thoracic cavities are to be strip searched every hour on the hour! Strangling is too good for maskless libertarian tarts who can only be out walking the streets of Melbourne in order to solicit; what they need and what they will get under THIS lockdown is a good, hard, socially distanced shoot-to-kill policy.” And so on.
The socio-legal trajectory here is pretty clear. The political scientist Robert Michels once wrote about an “iron law of oligarchy,” where all complex organizations, regardless of how democratic they were when started, eventually developed into oligarchies. He was of course referring specifically to political parties, but for me he also inadvertently identified a general tendency towards “intensification” in modernity; that is, a tendency for more and more power to be dragged towards fewer and fewer people, particularly when those people see themselves as having to operate in the presence of an internal enemy – and what could be more “internal” than a virus? At least those Commie Bastards during the Cold War had the decency to stay out of our free-market lungs.
Representative democracy was a pretty effective western, liberal attempt to halt, or at least pause, that process of intensification: we voted on the basis of their manifesto, they led on the basis of that manifesto, we then voted them out on the basis of how well or how badly their actions aligned to their manifesto. It wasn’t perfect, but at least you could say that the oligarchies got switched around every five or so years. But in Australia and also in the UK (with our own Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations and the Coronavirus Act) we’re starting to regard the basic principles and tenets of representative democracy as annoyances, irritations, things that get in the way of a small group of people quickly and efficiently doing “the right thing” in order to protect everyone else. Indeed, if the coronavirus has taught us anything it’s just how disturbingly easy it is for a certain type of personality to switch from seeing people as citizens to seeing them as disease-vectors. This is truly the Age of the Passive-Aggressive Fusspot. (Watching Little Matty Hancock (Private, Second Class) counting off the regulations in the Government’s catechism of neurotic epidemiological obsessions as he struts around Bojo’s tin-pot war-gaming bunker in a skin-tight Flash Gordon cosplay outfit, you get the sense that his personality has finally, at long last, found its métier.) The result is that we’re in danger of ending up with our own “iron law of lockdown”, namely, that all lockdowns – limited, temporary arrogations of power by the state – regardless of how well intentioned they are when begun, have the tendency to develop into totalitarian nightmares – limitless, quasi-permanent arrogations of power by the state. Or, in more detail: lockdowns work except when they’re failed by the people; and when they’re failed by the people they haven’t been enforced adequately by the state; and if they haven’t been enforced adequately by the state then they need to be reintroduced, but only now where the state has arrogated to itself even greater power of enforcement.
And the logical endpoint for this, the “iron law of lockdown”? If you look up the relevant statistical datasets online, you’ll find that the infection fatality rate for corpses is 0.0000%.
Round-Up
- “The SARS-CoV-2 Pandemic” – George Michael on Medium offers a thorough evidence-based review of SARS-CoV-2
- “Student, 26, dies in his room at Bangor University where courses are now online despite friends’ desperate attempts to save him – as police say death is not suspicious after he becomes ninth UK student to die since lectures restarted” – Likely suicides among students imprisoned at university, tragic report in the Mail
- “Stop collaborating and take off that stupid, useless mask!” – Laura Perrins doesn’t hold back in Conservative Woman
- “Anthony Fauci: 40 Years of Lies From AZT to Remdesivir” – Devastating history of strained relationship with truth in OffGuardian
- “Why the WHO faked a pandemic” – This important 2010 article from Forbes was mysteriously taken down this month, but here’s an archived copy
- “Should we be worried by declining Covid antibodies?” – No, says Ross Clark in the Spectator, and he says the same in the Telegraph
- “What Herd Immunity Looks Like” – Thomas Galen in Hector Drummond Magazine explains what herd immunity actually means for those not listening at the back
- “Lord Sumption: Ministers stoked fear to justify lockdowns” – Arch-sceptic Lord Gumption skewers the Government in the Telegraph. Transcript here and watch it below
- “Police called to church going ahead with service despite ban on gatherings” – Report in Wales Online of a brave church that defied the lockdown
- “Just one in six voters believe Boris Johnson has clear plan to beat virus” That many? From the Times
- “Mass protests in Spain and Italy” – Some videos of the recent demonstrations posted on Twitter
- “Unfriending Free Speech” – William Voegeli in City Journal asks who will guard the gatekeepers of our political discourse?
- “Oxford Covid vaccine produces ‘strong’ immune response among elderly” – Encouraging report from the Telegraph, though no data to flesh out “strong” or how long it lasts
- “The North is in despair over the lack of a lockdown exit plan” – Heartfelt piece from Angela Epstein the Telegraph on the unsustainable misery of lockdown
- “Call for the sacking of Matt Hancock for his inept handling of the Covid pandemic” – New petition on change.org
- “Reachwell: Researchers in Education and Adolescent Child Health and Wellbeing” – New group of academics bringing scientific evidence to bear on the impact of lockdowns on under- 18s
- “No to the ‘new normal’” – Good piece by James Black in Bournbrook
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s Rupert Murdoch’s turn to drink the Kool-Aid. Yup, that’s right, the Dirty Digger himself has been captured by the woke cult – or, rather, the HR department of News UK has and he hasn’t noticed. Guido Fawkes has the story.
Rupert Murdoch’s News UK is undergoing a major woke shakeup in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests, with the company’s human resources department aiming to exert influence on editorial content and decisions across all titles; as well as requiring all journalists and presenters to sign up to diversity and inclusion objectives and training. A leaked Zoom chat on the subject reveals that the media giant has appointed Shelley Bishton as their new “Head of Creative Diversity” to oversee the transformation…
As part of the sweeping changes across the News UK empire titles will be forced to:
* Appoint “diversity specialists” on each outlet
* Agree a process for internal and external content review to track sentiment and coverage
* Introduce a new politically-correct “style guide” so journalists can speak with authority on stories about diversityThe human resources team privately described the readerships and audiences of the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times, Talk Radio and Times Radio as a “predominantly anti-diversity and inclusion” audience, with “newsrooms… more white and they tend to be more male”. Go woke, go broke…
If the HR team know that the consumers of News UK’s journalism don’t sign up to all this woke nonsense, why try and “train” the staff to churn it out? Because it’s the right thing to do, obviously…
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.
Stop Press: Now they’re trying to say we’re mad and bad. From the Independent.
Scientists in Brazil have linked resistance to COVID-19 safety measures, such as wearing a mask, with antisocial personality traits.
Their study was the first of its kind in Latin America and surveyed over 1,500 people aged 18-73.
Using a questionnaire, the scientists sought to identify the participants’ affective resonance – their impulse to act on feelings stirred by another person – and asked a series of personality questions about how well certain statements represented their behaviour on a scale.
The survey also asked about compliance with COVID-19 containment measures over time, such as mask wearing.
When profiles were analysed, two were identified: an antisocial pattern profile who were resistant to COVID-19 safety measures and an empathy pattern profile who were compliant.
Since the “antisocial” traits include “risk-taking” and “impulsivity”, perhaps this may all be just a teensy bit subjective and biased.
The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last week and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it last week, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and this Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.
Stop Press: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
Watch Lord Sumption’s evisceration of the Government’s handling of the coronavirus crisis here.










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“SAGE Predicts Second Wave Will Be Worse Than First”What Mandy Rice Davies said.
I remember it well and it is as true now as it was then.
SAGE: a political and commercial lobby group that eschews both common sense and genuine science.
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The blaming any and all other death on Covid-19 won’t peak as high as it did in the spring, but it will go on and on, says SAGE. Because the narrative won’t be broken, because the opposition is controlled. ICNARC, which is ignored by yer anti-lockdown champions in yer fringe corporate-media and alternative media, says that between 1st September and 22nd October, 328 Covid-19 patients died in intensive care, or after having been in critical care. The significance: if you didn’t die in or after intensive care, you didn’t die of Covid-19, because acute Covid-19 – the bit that kills you – is a pneumonia. And it’s quite astonishing that we’re still playing this silly game seven months into this shambles pretending that what Government says about deaths is legitimate. “Covid-19”, which is various death blamed on a virus (that doesn’t exist) is a hoax, and until your controlled opposition media starts calling it one – which it won’t – there is never going to be an end to the horse crap, which empowers the agenda, which people are going to have to put themselves in harms way to defeat (not that the controlled opposition media will be leading any… Read more »
won’t peak as high as it did in the spring, but it will go on and on, says SAGE. Going “on and on” is a natural consequence of widespread PCR testing and having “cases” as the centrepiece of the narrative, I guess. As we know, the definition of a “case” (a positive result of a PCR test which has a theoretical false positive rate between 0.8-4.0%, potentially higher operationally) and the definition of a “covid death” (a person who dies of any cause but who tested positive at some point in the previous 28 days) ensures this. The very fact of having a baseline number of (say) around 2% of all tests done guaranteed to be positive guarantees that there will always be “covid deaths” going “on and on” at a sub-peak level. And that is even before we take account of “cold” and “lukewarm” cases where they do have the virus (in the specific sense that the test has indeed detected the “something” it is intended to react to) but where it is meaningless with respect to the patient’s overall health situation. Calling it a “hoax” tends to imply a complete fiction from the ground up to people; it’s… Read more »
“Head up, heart open. To better days!” – T.F. Hodge
Yay – great start – well done you!! 🙂
Italians fight back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS08kreDcps
Bologna – La protesta arriva in piazza, “vaffa” per Conte (28.10.20)
Second!
No job this Christmas?
Haven’t they all been barred from pubs by the landlords ?
Get rid of them now
Very powerful
Great poster – needs to be put up everywhere!
I’m increasingly of the opinion that we’re flogging a dead horse with the mask argument and the positive-tests-aren’t-deaths argument. Those arguments require people to walk back on their beliefs, which is generally a tough sell.
I’m thinking that we might get more traction with a simple message of “You’re struggling because of what these arseholes are doing.”
Probably needs to ram home the economic impact now. People will only wake up when they’re hit in the pocket and stomach.
I think we need to keep going with both. People will still be silenced by accusations that they are granny murderers, regardless of their personal pain. I think it works best to point out that we are all being socially and economically crucified AND that the justification for that is entirely false.
Agree and nail home the point that both are related.
My preferred response to ‘isn’t the Covid so awful’ is
”It’s not the Covid that is so awful it’s the governments stupid lockdown measures which are responsible for everything that is wrong with this country now and for the foreseeable future”.
It’s so awful that most people need a test to tell them they have it!
I find ‘the cure is worse than the disease’ is quite catchy. It acknowledges that there was a disease, but at the same time implies it wasn’t all that serious.
Please get Drakeford and Sturgeon on there as well. Lots of ugly images of them to choose from.
Your wish is my command.
I chose happy images (instead of ugly ones) to drive home the disconnect between these people’s lives and the lives of the ordinary Joe.
https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org
They’re not going to get very far with a website that looks like that.
You only need a few details to join I have people have no right to complain if they do nothing to defend their rights my late grandparents didn’t fight the Nazis so the me me me generation can sit at home and watch shit like eastenders
I do wonder how keen on lockdowns the scientists and advisers would be if they had to suffer the same rate as though who lose their jobs, don’t have savings and may struggle to pay the rent or mortgage when on benefits.
third close but no cigar
Baa!
Just posted this on yesterdays thread and it changed whilst I was doing it so sorry for the repeat.
Interesting to see reduction in flue deaths over the recent weeks.
Has this been taken into account when predicting the overrun of the NHS?
Source https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending16october2020
I’ll never fail to be utterly horrified by the image of multiple police restraining someone while a mask is forced onto their face. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a mask being placed on a human face—for ever.
First time I have seen this image, shocking!
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Boris huffing and puffing and fucking a woman’s face—but not forever.
Look – that’s enough of that!
Too much information.
Bleurgh!
Hi Chaos
Glad to see your sense of humor is still strong
Hang in there!
It won’t be my future.
Ever.
I saw a german being arrested in berlin at the weekend via live youtube. The riot police were targeting peaceful protestors by going into the crowd as a unit tgen swiftly grabbing a peaceful person. In this particular arrest the riot cop thug put his gloved hand over the persons mouth and nose – to stop them breathing. Then the thug used his strength to force the peaceful persons head back as far as it would go – looking upwardds with gloved hand over breathing passageways. In this position the peaceful protestor was marched off for arresting and bundling into custody.
It was abhorrent.
Horrific! You have to wonder what they would have done if/when the person had passed out…?
or break his neck
It’s Germany the police there make the SS proud
It is such a violation against the person. Truly awful – exactly the same as suffocating someone to stop them from speaking.
Arm yourself if the 🐖 mess with me one of their windpipes gets slashed
Funny, that — Coronaprophet Bill Gates said the same thing a while back.
I wonder what they know that we don’t…
It’s easy to manufacture a second or more waves, they did it with the first one too.
A very reliable source tells me they are already emptying the hospitals of old folk. Second wave or second purge?
It was announced in the press a couple of weeks ago.
It’s mostly the withdrawal of healthcare that kills them.
They have been predicting their Second Wave for months and we were saying ages ago that they would use either its normal annual return or the usual winter flu as ‘proof’ of its eventual arrival.
They’ve been predicting the second wave since March, as has cuddly Uncle Bill Gates. While I’ve still to be convinced that Covid-19 is anything more than a deliberately badly managed and rebranded flu, the second wave though may well be something real, as these guys really do mean business. Real or not, though the biggest danger will still lie with the vaccines, that are coming our way. The vaccines are clearly an essential part of the Great Reset (aka depopulation) and they need to be avoided, as if your life depended on it, which of course it does.
Gates and Soros need putting on trial and possibly hanged
The “vaccine” is the key to the surveillance strategy.
Ramping up the fear just before Simon Dolan’s appeal…
When is S D’s appeal?
Tomorrow and Friday
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1321212847536414720
Thank you.
Could it be another form of ‘Operation Dark Winter’?
They did that in 2016 and reviewed it last year. They were simulations. This is the real thing now.
My thoughts exactly.
I confidently predict:
After the second ripple starts to wane, SAGE will say “the second wave has not finished yet”.
Lockdown will continue until the second ripple deaths exceed the first (could take a couple of years).
Then SAGE will say “the third wave is coming, and this will be the big one”.
Sage’s are supposed to be wise this lot are fools shut them down and throw Johnson out now
Just working on some new fear porn headlines for the MSM. Series to bge continued. To read in the serious Welsh accent of a famous BBC newsreader.
Monday: 1 death, Tuesday: 3 deaths
The death rate from covid has tripled in the last 24 hours
Wednesday: 4 deaths
The death rate from the killer virus covid has been doubling every day since Monday
Thursday: 6 deaths
In breaking news, deaths from covid have rocketed by a staggering 50% in a mere 24 hours
Next Monday: 7 deaths
Terror continues to stalk the nation, as the covid death rate is now increasing by a shocking 700% every week
Wednesday: 10 deaths
In heartbreaking news, epidemiologists confirm that deaths from covid are now increasing exponentially
Next Wednesday: 20 deaths
Deaths from covid continue to double every week.
Wednesday in a month’s time: 38 deaths
Government considers new lockdown as covid deaths double in a month
Neil Olivier on talk radio at the moment saying that LOCKDOWN DOESN’T WORK!!!
When will the Covid collaborators BLOODY well ADMIT IT????
You’re never going to win the argument. The zealots believe that if they don’t work it is because the restrictions aren’t strict enough/long enough/being adhered to. And when cases reduce in spring (shout out to the Aussies!) it will because the measures are working 🤬.
Yes, Van Allen, but when this is all over and the herd immunity has done what herd immunity has done over thousands of years and will do this time; the experts and advisers, etc will say “because we took the necessary measures, steps,platitude,platitudes,blah,blah,blah.
But we know the truth and at least the B×××××ds can’t take that away from us.
Lockdowns do work if your objective is to reduce case numbers short term.
Lockdowns are destructive in virtually every other aspect and therefore completely lose validity.
A similar example. I need to kill a single fish in my neighbours pond.
I elect to drive a monster truck at 150mph into my neighbours garden, but go through his house, plough through his kids and wife, run over his dog and get through his conservatory, ruin his grass and drive into his pond and then shoot all the fish. This is my plan and it would likely work and kill at least one of his fish,
If my objective was to kill a single fish. Then my objective has been met. It matters not how I got there. I got there.
Thats the logic of SAGE and lockdown.
This method reminds me of Fantastic Mr Fox
Neil Oliver has revealed himself as a bit of a hero. I love listening to him every week on Mike Graham’s Talk Radio Show – 10 til 1pm n case anyone needs to know.
Wasn’t me marshal
Note to Carrie,
click on the black background of the expanded image to avoid going back to the start of comments.
Further note to Carrie, if a link takes you back to the start go to the ‘man with a gearcog’ icon by ‘total comments’
This lists all your posts so will take you back to where you last posted.
Thanks 🙂
No way! The days and days I have spent scrolling to posts I never find again…. thank you!
Thanks and Thanks. Wish I knew this a long time ago.
Innit – if I may!
Thank you – that will save me some time!!!!
Save me loads of time!! Thanks
Holy smokes I sure feel stupid now. Was always thinking this site could be really awesome with a feature that lets me go back and find my old posts. In plain sight if you have tech savvy eyes eh?
THANK YOU!!
In fact you’ve just won best post of the year…congratulations karenovirus!!
I am not Tech savvy at all having not used Tech at work at all except a bit of Sage (!?!) for stock control in the 80s.
I did, however always like dismantling things as a boy to see how they worked.
My post was a response to a query from Carrie but happy to help.
This makes my blood boil –
“When profiles were analysed, two were identified: an antisocial pattern profile who were resistant to COVID-19 safety measures and an empathy pattern profile who were compliant.”
Maybe if someone would point out to them that they are HELPING to kill hundreds of millions around the world, they wouldnt comply so easily.
We haven’t had to have that pointed out to us to understand that this will happen. We care about the whole world community not just the one in a 2 mile radius.
Short-sightedness and inward thinking are part of the religion, yet they are the caring community minded ones.
Grrrrrrrrr!
After a very quick search I discovered the study was done by Science Direct, “a leading platform of peer-reviewed scholarly literature” who’s parent company is Elsevier. They have connections to the UN Sustainable Development plan, and partner with many of the usual suspects like Imperial College. Look at the Elsevier logo. Looks bit like the logo from the 2nd Eugenics International Conference, 1921.
Ho hum.
Elsevier are local and present themselves as innocent publishers of technical educational materials.
A few years back they came under fire for being linked to the gun running (?) activities of their parent corporation Rand. (or something like that).
Maybe the UN is the next failed outfit to leave
And I am NOT anti-social!!!
Just go shopping a bit more often, that’ll fix it. 🙂
I don’t go shopping at all unfortunately – they can have my money again when they ditch the nappies and the surveillance.
Don’t let it get to you. Typical PsyOps strategies.
OK, so we’re antisocial.
Anti-social distancing.
Anti-social collapse.
Anti a society composed entirely of zombies.
And proud of it.
Quite!
Daughter – who got an 8 (= A*) at psychology GCSE, is now studying it for A level in a few months, and wants to study it at university) – has just said basically it’s all a load of rubbish (only she said it using bigger amd more intelligent words than that). Said – as Toby did – these types of studies are purely subjective, and all they have done is make the results conclude what they wanted them to.
I’m sure this study would have come to similar conclusions in Nazi Germany.
I had to laugh. We want to engage with people mask-free and use our whole faces to communicate — particularly to smile — and we’re the anti-social ones???
I thought it’s a brilliant reason not to wear a face nappy.
Q: Are you exempt?
A: Yes, I have ASPD.
Sorry – I’m being a bit thick – Anti-Social – P… D…?
Thanks 😀
Lock SAGE up and throw away the key. We will have no peace until they are removed.
Agree, but SAGE have nothing useless the Government give them the platform. So if SAGE go. The Government goes too.
SAGE need stuffing, before Christmas
The crimes of the rapists dad
Legalising child abduction
Banning religious freedom
Detention without trial
Banning the sale of children’s winter clothes
Imposing internal exile
Waging war against a civilian population
Deliberately withholding medical attention for detainees in breach of the Geneva Convention
Crimes against humanity
It’s crazy. Seeing pictures of yellow tape crossed over items that people are not allowed to buy. Makes my eyes hurt. Poor Wales!
Drakeford (and indeed the UK) are in cahoots with Amazon:
https://businessnewswales.com/welsh-government-partners-with-amazon-to-offer-funds-for-startups/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/amazon-secret-government-panel-helping-22904790
Not especially sympathetic. They voted in numbers for him. Just as they did for Bo Jo. Neither man was fit for office, too many people did not bother to delegitimise either by whatever means necessary. Essentially voting for a colour not recognising the flaws in both.
Probably true, but only a small minority had the choice of Johnson or Drakeford as their MP.
I don’t care for the mediocre Drakeford I didn’t vote for Johnson, or the nasty party proud SDP member
It’s ok to buy those big round tins of junk chocolates that come out for Christmas but you can’t buy a winter coat for your kid.
The coronavirus act already allows children to be ‘removed’..
And that’s just for starters.
I’m inclined to believe that his chief crime is existing.
That’s why we have to reopen the Tower of London as a prison.
And revive Tower Hill as an execution site.
Book me a front row seat for Dripfeed’s big moment.
Tyburn for riff raff like politicians and SAGE. It’s at the end of Edgware Road in London, marked by three oak saplings. Right by Speakers Corner, funnily enough.
Apparently the ravens are bored due to lack of visitors, this would perk them up!
Imperial College have been paid over £80 million by Gates and his eugenics “foundation”.
The Telegraph`s very own pompous “Global Health Security Team”, which peddles constant fear and misinformation every day, has also been paid £3.5 million by Gates Mengele foundations, Only saying.
The Bill And Mengele Gates Foundation
I think ICL needs to be investigated fully by the Academy and government – sooner rather than later. We all know about Neil Ferguson/Roy Anderson and their dossier of models, but after watching the Julia HB interview with Paul Elliott this morning, there is something seriously wrong with this institution that cuts to the core.
I think after all this, we need a serious culling of universities – Imperial should be defunded and closed down especially after the damage that has been done. Then move on to others like SOAS for perpetuating fruitcake ideas that cause division and destroy social cohesion.
That said if young people and their parents vote with their feet and wallets then the market will deal with them.
Absolutey agree.
I agree. Do academic institutions have a responsibikty for what their payrolled academics get up to? There are certain professors who are leading the lockdown side – lockdowns kill. ICL Edinburgh Reading are just a few of the istitutions where staff are actively lobbying/advising/propagandazing for opressive societal change based on weak if any evidences – in the face of huge contrary evidence. These professors are weak academics and flawed ethically. Institutions have a responsiblity in my opinion.
They could be done for bringing the institution into disrepute. Especially if they drive away prospective students and staff and their credibility is shot.
The British press are as culpable
Dis information.
Mis information is different.
Dis information unit at the bbc staffed by marianna spring and others. That is how to remember the more sinister of the two.
I read imperial received north of 200million from gates. ~220m I believe
Gates should be barred from entering Britain and have any assets frozen
Very naive. He’s not resisting anything. It just isn’t time for the next measures to be put in place yet. Give it a couple of weeks, if that.
Keep an eye on what happens this weekend.
Two leaflets and a 4 page newspaper from The Conservative Party have just dropped through my door (Guildford). We are only ever contacted like this when there is an election on. (Do they know something we don’t?)
Any suggestions as to what I should do with it?
Yes, but they’re too obscene to be posted by my chaste hand.
Is it a freebie or can you do ‘Return to Sender’?
Never trust the Tories same with labour
If anyone hasn’t already seen it, Julia HB’s interview with Professor Paul Elliott was breathtaking. The follow-up response interview with Professor Anthony Brookes was also worth a listen – suspect he has signed the Great Barrington Declaration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYqpiH1Q8bQ&t=456s
Absolutely epic stuff. I just posted same above without noticing it here – so good it is posted twice.
Prof Anthony Brookes in the 2nd half is magical JHB really outstanding such simple clear questioning.
Me and Mr TT watched it – as I say, breathtaking! Julia HB is very smart, but wonder whether these ignorant and arrogant ‘scientists’ think because she also studied PPE, she will be a patsy. As far as I recall, one or more of her parents were doctors, so suspect she knows quite a lot. She also is not so arrogant that she will not do her homework. So far, she has got the better of pretty much everyone she has interviewed.
The thing I took away from the end bit was that if de Piffle is wanting to steer the “Middle Way” through this, as advocated by the WHO, he’d sack the Chucklebrothers and their chums and appoint a bunch of advisors who would help him to do that.
Am I missing something (she asked naively) ?
I don’t know how anyone could watch that interview and believe a single thing that ICL say about the virus or lockdown. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an interviewee look quite so uncomfortable.
I know. As I said below in response to Nick Bowes’ comment, there needs to be a root and branch inquiry of the entire institution. He was shockingly bad.
What Brookes said about Idiott’s paper made me wonder if he’d just put his name to it and not even bothered to read it.
I’m not sure she’s asking the Qs right – listening to it now. Talking about SARS1 and MERS – they didn’t sweep around the world as they didn’t have such long pre-symptomatic infectious phases as SARS2, which meant they were more readily contained. So even if T cell immunity was protecting some proportion of the population from them, it will be confounded by that factor. He didn’t answer it right either though – he could have made that point and skewered her back.
T cell immunity is the right Q, but she should be asking why he thinks the common cold coronaviruses don’t have any cross-immunity (from T cell response) that confers immunity to SARS2. Or why we have seen so few reinfections. Millions and millions of cases, and how many reinfections? I think I can count them on 1 hand. And there are tons of people out there (more than 1 hand’s worth) with suppressed immune systems who can’t make antibodies.
Laughing at the Sweden challenge now though. Go for it!
Oh god the “culture is different” trope. And the population density trope. Has he ever been to Sweden?!
Catch tge Anthong Brooks half after elliots shameful display. Thst is what made it for me. Truly uplifting to hear the good after the bad.
Ta muchly. I was looking for that.
Wow! “Let me spell it out in words of one syllable”
The arrogant prick!!!!!!
I wonder if anyone has seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEC1YOJSyng It’s the woman from Barnsley who was vox poxed on BBC radio I think. GMTV did a follow up interview with her and her husband last Friday. This interview made my blood boil. The interviewers could not have been more condescending and patronising, infantilizing this 80 odd year old couple in the most disgraceful way. Hats off to them though when the GP said that it’s the worst pandemic in 101 years, the husband came back and told her she was wrong – though she still smiled back at them like she was talking to a couple of 3 year olds I had to post this, it made my blood boil so much I couldn’t sleep last night. It would be great if lockdown sceptics interviewed this couple. I could see that they were seriously angry at the way they were being talked to, the wife actually elbowing her husband in the midriff at one point in fear he was going to go too far and I think it would be very interesting to have their take on this. I would also like to send them a message of support, they are… Read more »
Agree with every word.
Dr. Sarah Jarvis is very condescending when she is challenged. The couple did very well in the interview despite the unfair pressure.
Sarah Jarvis is one patronising cow.
Can Delingpole maybe interview them?
I don’t care who interviews them, so long as they are treated with respect and the journalist highlights that this is an example of the wider infantilization of older people during this crisis. It is quite clear to me that we now only see older people in the context of vulnerability, that they are people of unsound mind who can’t be trusted to make decisions for themselves. This is not right and I think lockdown sceptics have an angle here that people would be interested in.
And if I hear that BLOODY word “BLESS” when people mention older people ( I’m 72 in December) again, I will not be held responsible for my actions.
I know, who the hell do these people think they are? I would feel exactly the same way. I’m 44, but angry for you!
Misquoting Winnie the Pooh: “People of very little brain”
I was spoken to like this a few years ago by a female GP a few years older than me (I’m now 55). She got a bit more than she bargained for when I challenged her scientific assertions – I’m a graduate scientist!
For some reason I’m often treated like a backward child by woman doctors. I am a middle aged man with an RP accent, so I would have thought I might be the beneficiary of prejudice, but it doesn’t seem to work that way.
Ah, bless …
Amazing isn’t it the way Maureen and her husband were spoken to by the condescending Dr Jarvis and the two English graduate poppets hosting the show, who no doubt hang on every word spoken by the 80 year-old Dr Anthony Fauci!
Oh my word just watched this! What a bunch of bitches. They make me sick. Note how comments are turned off.
Noted that too!
Comments were allowed on Sarah Jarvis’s Twitter account though I bet she wishes they weren’t. The tone was generally scathing of her condescending manner and lies.
I did watch that but had to switch off after than Jarvis woman was speaking. The couple were a trooper despite showing up the presenters for the ignoramuses that they are.
The likes of Jarvis seem to have a death wish – perhaps practically begging to be struck off when this is all over.
Struck where?
I can think of better words than ‘off’.
Struck off by the GMC for medical malpractice.
Can Hillary Jones be struck off also
I thought the same, I think Maureen from Barnsley and her husband are national heroes they came across very well, but the presenters & the GP were amateur and terrible, they were trying (and failed) to make them look like silly old people, when they have more common sense than the whole cabinet and Sage put together.
The Daily Mail describes her as “A plucky Barnsley pensioner” Vomit vomit vomit!!!
Maureen’s been a parish councillor for 50 years, so is no doubt used to dealing with idiots.
maybe, if we get our ‘Sceptic acts together (Toby), we can, with her permission obviously, turn the marvellous Maureen Eames into the anti-Tom Moore (that poor, well-meaning and misguided 100 year old who marched in his back yard for the…NHS)? ‘Dame-hood for Maureen’ as a mantra (given Tom copped a knighthood)?
Would agree with that, I think there’s genuine interest and goodwill here and we need older anti-lockdown advocates to champion the cause amongst other old people. Let’s get them on Toby!
The Beeb thought they’d got a couple of thick proles from oop north. They turned out to be very astute, politically savvy, articulate and assertive individuals.
I’m not surprised you’re mad. The patronising arrogance of both the interviewer and the doctor should be enough to get the BBC banned from existence.
Here’s another bright lass from t’other side o’ th’ill:
https://www.facebook.com/MartinCostelloUK/videos/3488242864566659
A set up to demonstrate that people who are against lockdown are idiots. Anyone involved in promoting this woman as an anti-lockdown spokesperson are in on it. So, I wasn’t surprised to see Hitchens doing it.
This is what you want… This is what you get
Just had a go at making a couple of memes:
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NZ’s isolation camps are very worrying, as is the interview with Ardern laughing saying people will not be able to leave if they refuse to be tested…
That is definitely part of the Great Reset agenda.
Free bed and board for the homeless though …..
Attempt number 2:
Absolutely outstanding JHB… the professor elliot is obviously a nasty bit of work… he has cintempt for everything but his own arrogant self. See his bookshelves – thats how much he values his work. That isn’t the outstanding bit. JHB then goes on to speak to prof anthony brooks – outstanding. JHB asks what are these imperial untrustables hiding why won’t they answer – anthony’s answer is spine tingling – he knows, they know, academ8cs know of exactly the reasoned rational position skeptics have. Listen up!
https://youtu.be/vYqpiH1Q8bQ
What is it with the books background? It’s gotta be intentional to infer intelligence. What if I just place my Kindle behind me with a note saying ‘Contains 200 books’, is that the idea?
They must see the public as complete morons yet desire their attention and respect sooo badly
In fairness my home office (otherwise known as the dining room) is full to bursting with books. In fact I have been buying more second-hand books lately from fear that they will ban them as dangerous items. Kindle just doesn’t do it for me. I don’t claim to be super intelligent, I just like reading.
In fairness ypu are not speaking as a professional to the known universe. Also some of the best people are untidy as sin and good for them. However when a man is refusing to answer questions, clearly muddled in his thinking, displaying signs of arrogant contempt at being challenged and his shelves and table tops are a disorganised disgrace it is reasonable to infer there is a problem underlying.
Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England, when asked by the House of Commons Select Committee on Science and Technology for the scientific evidence for the two metre social distancing rule, replied, “The precautionary principle.” These people are not using scientific evidence. They are engaging in pseudoscience. They are using sciency-scounding language to push Just So Stories.
All the science of the coronavirus responses is pseudoscience. All of it. The lockdowns, the two metre social distancing, the face masks, the Rule of Six, the ten o’clock rule, the face mask required when standing but not when seated. It is all just making stuff up and asserting that it is science and hoping that know one will notice, or, if they do, they can be ignored or silenced.
The pseudoscience ought to have provided the comedians with endless material. And frankly, I suspect satire would have far more effect in combatting this nonsense than any amount of reasoned, evidenced argument, as the believers seem to be impervious to inconvenient facts.
Absolutely right.
in terms of comedians taking the p*ss, if you haven’t seen him, check out a Andrew Lawrence in YouTube (especially his police monologues)- brilliant ( & each sketch just lasts 2 mins)
Thanks. I have just had a look. https://youtu.be/GKHBCEEOCHU
Saw the South Park covid episode last night – effin hilarious! Highly recommended (if you’re not easily offended)
WHO set the social distancing threshold at 1m. Germany 1.5. U.K. 2 meters. Go figure !
I think that we can make a start with the “fight back” by totally ignoring the threat over Christmas day dinners.
Agree but that’s nearly 2 months away. I hope and trust we are all ignoring lots of edicts in the here and now too.
Of course, I’m doing that now,ignoring all the edicts.
I think many people would ignore it and that can only be a good thing. I am more concerned by the idea that BoJo will throw a pathetic bone over Christmas that will be accepted by those too indoctrinated or stupid to see that they are being duped by the generous offer of relative freedom for 1 day in 365.
If people can’t see Bojo for the opportunist liar he is, they are not worthy of consideration.
Indeed. But in large numbers they act as a human bulwark for the Government. I just have no sense any more of how many are interested in their freedoms, or even aware that they should have any. Still hopeful, though!
He made it perfectly clear during his election campaign that he was an opportunistic liar …..
I bet Johnson will be out soon either by public anger or the Tories develop a spine and remove him just like they did to Thatcher back in 1990
I just can’t help things will change in terms of the information about this virus if the democrats win the US elections, because it won’t be necessary to use it as a political tool anymore. Been saying this for months but watch this space, it’ll be interesting to see what happens to this virus after November 3rd whoever wins …
The democrats have said they’ll drag out the election results till January no matter who wins.
I still believe Trump will be reelected
I will meet with who I like at Christmas it is none of this apology of a government’s business
Received this yesterday in my inbox. Dear , Black, Asian and minority ethnic people have been overexposed, under protected, stigmatised and overlooked during this pandemic — and this has been generations in the making. We need urgent action to ensure that those most at risk from a second COVID-19 spike over winter are protected. Today, I have launched my report into the disproportionate number of deaths of Black, Asian and ethnic minority communities from Covid. The overwhelming message is clear — this must be a watershed moment for change. This is why I am proud today Labour has called on the government to take urgent action. My name, will you share our report and demand immediate action to protect those communities most at risk from a second winter spike? A national strategy to tackle health inequalities, the suspension of no recourse to public funds rule during the pandemic, targeted support for people struggling to self-isolate, a legal requirement for employers to publish risk assessments and improved access to PPE for staff in all high-risk workplaces. Keir Starmer has also announced that the next Labour government will implement a Race Equality Act to tackle structural racial inequality at its source. I… Read more »
Jesus wept.
Doreen Lawrence has done more to set back race relations than her son’s murder has.
She should just shut up or better yet resign.
Black and Asian people are more at risk. I strongly suspect vitamin D deficiency may play a role,
I hope someone reminds her of the recent news that this group in society are one of the hardest hit in terms of jobs and their businesses
She was on BBC yesterday and her big plan is to ensure PPE is provided to BAME communities. Yeah, mask em and get a visor on.
Insanity reigns
Slavery?? Hmm
How lovely, how virtuous. These people have it so hard that it’s nice someone like Baroness Lawrence is taking it seriously. May I help with a draft reply ??? Dear Baroness Lawrence. My aunt was 54. In August she died in her own bed after rotting away with cancer, never able in her final few months of her life to get the domestic or hospital care that might have been able to bring her a few more months of comfort and life before her passing. She was scared shitless of the virus and I am happy to share with you what she felt and how scared she was, as I have the letters written in her shaking hand. She was very poor, her parents were Irish. But she was British. She was white, she died alone abandoned by our system with no assets and no money & no wealth. A single bedroom council supplied maisonette, that is already likely occupied by another unfortunate member of our working classes. How does this factual case study fit into your fictional narrative that a disproportionate number of deaths of Black, Asian and ethnic minority communities has occurred, when its obvious to a village… Read more »
Hello! I’ve not commented here before, but I had a dream last night that I accidentally found a hug gig with thousands of people going on in an arts centre, it felt amazing. I miss gigs so bad…. I’ve come to really depend on the normality of voices on this website against the utter madness I’m seeing and reading out in the so called real world. I’m a leftie, I voted remain, used to read the Guardian (but now OMG what a negative biased viewpoint I can see it all I swear!) I always supported what’s ‘good’ and ‘right’ and ‘fair’ but my fellow lefty friends have left me baffled. I feel I may have lost some of them for good – these are friends of over 30 years out of my humble 46 on this planet. The retort from one when pointing out the impending global disaster caused by lockdown – starving people, lives ruined, huge amounts of suicide – all done mainly for us to protect people like my dad (who has COPD, borderline diabetic, overweight from a diet of cider and cake) and her response was ‘that’s a political matter’. I’m still gobsmacked people can’t see the… Read more »
Good for you, go to Tesco proudly with no mask and show your smile!
Musicgirl, you are on the right path. Stay on it.
Life is always worth living – unless you are a zombie, and zombies deserve the shit they get.
Find a little joy every day. Every good thought is a poke in the eye for THEM. Every nappyless face is a breath of freedom.
Gigs will return.
If there’s an argument, stay calm and tell them that the German consultant neurologist Dr Griesz-Brisson says that masks cause irreversible brain damage in children (Interview on Bitshute) and you don’t want to play any part in normalising the practice and thereby colluding with that.
In case it helps, you might consider printing out one of my discriminatory challenges documents.
If you are challenged, you can just show the document to them, smile sweetly, and carry on about your business.
I’ve not worn a mask and never will but I did get the sunflower lanyard from Sainsburys customer care counter right at the start (you just have to ask) and I do wear it in very large public places (but not in village shops).Just be confident – “I am exempt” and carry on smiling. Good luck!
Thanks all I’ve fashioned one out of a Chelsea Flower Show Private View lanyard. I’m going to make a card that says I suffer from NHB. (Small print – being a Normal Human Being). Saw that on here I think. It’s well good. I’m nicking it! Cheers for your cheers lovely people.
Download the government’s own exempt mobile lanyard, just show it to anyone who confronts you and don’t make a scene. If they insist, and the confrontation looks likely, let them know you’ll not return as a customer and that you’ll be emailing the store manager and owners to remind them of exemption Law.
I know you are worried about getting into an argument with people about tbe law and might get muddled etc. Just retire from the store and take it to their superiors.
I’ve found 9 times outta 10 they either just acknowledge the exemption note or just ignore you anyway.
I could have written this myself! You are not alone.
I feel exactly the same. Although it can leave you sometimes drained, going out without a mask is a liberating experience. Try it and once you’ve done it, there will be nothing to fear.
Also carry this on your phone or a hard copy in your handbag:
https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/
https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf
Once you see the left for what it is you begin to question everything…
Many of my friends are far left anarchists who think this is all a scam. I have right leaning rellies, a socialist husband, and lots of friends who fall in the middle. I don’t have a problem with ‘the left’ I do however have a problem with false news reporting and fear mongering. I have as much problem with ‘the right’ too – I think this whole issue transcends left and right. For me it’s about ALL human rights, balance in action, the right to live and not be in a state of forced imprisonment.
I’ve been keeping some strange bedfellows since this insanity started! Left and right isn’t nearly as important as whether you’re in the freedom vs. tyranny camp. Welcome and let us know how your mask-free excursions go!
When I was young I thought I was far left. Now I appear to be far right. The strange thing is that my views haven’t changed much, it’s just that everything has rotated around me
Yep, that’s me too.
Absolutely well said. As soon as politics came into this and people started to be categorised into boxes for their political leanings this all went wrong. I think the picture painted in the media is wrong and is an attempt at cynical divide and rule. There’s loads of people on the left who think this is bollocks, your views on risk, balance, proportionality and basic freedoms should not and are not determined by your previous political views …
I’ve always been political but I think divided politics on both sides have massively contributed to this mess
I’m a ‘rightie’ but have a left-wing friend who is opposed to all this Covid nonsense. He also voted ‘Leave’ because he agrees with the old-fashioned Labour idea that the EU is a rich man’s club used to keep wages down by increasing the pool of labour through open borders migration. Funny old world!
Absolutely right. This is about our lives as a free people – it transcends anything else.
Good to see you here. I also have dreams about being in large crowds, and miss going to gigs, though my politics are a bit more to the right than yours. But the left/right distinction is increasingly irrelevant in the current situation.
As for shopping maskless, just say you’re exempt on medical grounds and in most cases you’ll be fine. The lanyard isn’t legally required but it should help your confidence.
Welcome! Sounds like you fit in just fine here. I am not the same politically as you but I’m not sure politics will ever be relevant again. Hope to see more comments from you now you’re here.
Hear, hear. ‘Left’ or ‘Right’, we need to unite over this issue, there are higher principles that we all share as UK citizens that are above the nonsense of party allegiance. We all have the same cause to fight, simply because we all share the same essential trait. We are all rational human beings.
Welcome from an ex-Guardian reader, lefty, remainer who has been calling out this nonsense since April (in fact I called it out vociferously on the Guardian website and was banned after nearly 15 yrs of commenting) When I open the website now I am utterly disgusted, as I am with the Labour Party who seem to be very complicit in causing untold misery to the most disadvantaged people in society, whilst not protecting human or civil rights and contributing to a future health crisis … I have also left the Labour Party over this. i come to this website nearly everyday for the exact same reasons as you. Toby Young, Peter Hitchens and JHB are strange bedfellows for me but they are some of the only examples of people challenging authority and seeking the truth at the moment, principles that the left seem to have completely abandoned. It’s good to hear from you, we are not alone and I think less alone than we think or the media would have us believe. I actually work for Citizens Advice, a lefty/liberal institution you would think, but the vast majority of colleagues I speak to are cynical too, or at least more… Read more »
Thank you for that – I do struggle with how people I know have become so indoctrinated to it – I literally haven’t seen my best friends for over a year and to them that seems acceptable. There will be a reckoning from this there’s no doubt – I’m just waiting for suddenly the Guardian to be wailing at the tragic news of starving nations and how awful it is without any comment on the irony that they actively encouraged it from the start. Same for Labour – I’m appalled at them. I know there are a lot more lefties like us – I just fear they are afraid to actually speak their mind, smothered under media peer pressure and left vs right-ism. (If that’s even a word…)
You’ve actually spoken for me too. Always left leaning, and voted Remain and read the Guardian. Then I started feeling something wasn’t right about two years ago, which lead me to down a path of awakening (and some very deep rabbit holes!) Oh boy! When this “virus” hit it came as no surprise. I was a sceptic from the outset. It, to me, was so obviously manipulated, I thought others would see straight through it….but they didn’t, hence the situation we’re in now. I too have lost friends because despite my research they choose to be told how to think by MSM. I’m firmly in the centre camp. I just want right to be done for all, and the ability to exercise our basic human rights without punishment. Stay strong on the (non) mask front. I haven’t worn one yet, and its been fine. It’s so good we can come on here and share thoughts with other like-minded souls. In fact this one of the nicest, friendliest places at the moment. Stay sane too – we’re all in the same collective consciousness right now.
There was a Remain/Guardian supporter at the Daily Telegraph with a similarish name to you, Helena, and if it was you – then you and me had several run-ins….Pax! as they used to say long ago to bring a quarrel to an end 🙂
As regards re-wakening, I suspect that’s true for us all, it certainly is for me, it’s just that it’s different parts of the scam/agenda that fool us. I’m doing all I can not to be fooled again by talking to people here and keeping my critical faculties set to ‘perpetually-suspicious’.
I do think this virus has been used cynically by politicians of all persuasion. I think there’s significant context to this, in particular the rise of what’s termed ‘populism’, and the growing cultural divide. I think Trump, and Brexit in this country, have been huge drivers behind the response. I think major players in the media and other big players on the world stage realised that they could weaponise the virus for what I feel they thought the common good i.e. getting rid of Trump and uniting people in the process around one common virtuous cause. I think a lot of people on the left can’t be that stupid not to understand the data, the proportionality and the cost-benefit analysis, so one can only assume that they are driven by the narrative, and strongly driven by their objection to Trump and Brexit. In other words, they think they’re on to a win win situation here and bulletproof in it’s virtuosity. It is very much in their interests to keep fear going until they know it’s not benefiting them in the polls, so they manipulate the fear. It is much more noble to speak the truth and defend the common good… Read more »
On the very rare occasions that I’m questioned, it’s usually on the lines of ‘ have you forgotten your mask because we can give you one’. I just smile and shake my head. If they (even more rarely) persist I just say in a quiet non-confrontational way that ‘I have a condition’ – unsaid is the fact that the condition is NHB. They then leave it. I do have a sunflower lanyard just in case but I haven’t needed it so far. I think just being seen in the shop without a mask and lanyard may give other customers the nudge to do it themselves the next time.
That’s my attitude. Demonstrate genuine normality. It’s very important – it’s also extremely empowering!
Also important, I think, not to display your lanyard/badge too obviously, as that then becomes just an alternative badge of submission.
I stopped showing my lanyard a while back (but present it when challenged, without more than saying “exempt” with a smile). Someone here likened it to a yellow star or pink triangle. I got the sentiment and I immediately stopped wearing the lanyard.
Also, my politics have changed considerably now, insofar that so many topics I used to think were important seem irrelevant. It’s now all about freedom from coercion, gaslighting and toxic (broken) logic.
I’m a (centre) Rightie and totally disappointed by ‘my corner’. I think we can all agree that personal liberty is a universal value to be cherished by all those with a traditionally British moderate inclination. The one thing I am pleased to see is moderate Left and Right coming together in resisting this. On the masks, I too hate confrontation but I also sense that we have a moral duty to claim exemption. You have to have a thick skin for sure…
Mine will get thicker for sure. Just takes the first leap! My husband just did Tesco without me maskless and smiled his way round! I’ll brave it tomorrow…
Welcome to an oasis of sanity in a crazy world. I too miss gigs so much. I have tickets for Glasto, but have resigned myself to the fact that it’ll probably never happen again. At least I got a good load of partying in whilst I could, it’s our kids I feel sorry for – my daughter was 18 in January and has had all that torn away from her like everyone else.
The stance of your friends is worrying but not surprising. I think we’re mostly in the same boat there. But that’s one of the only things we can do. Try to open as many friend’s eyes as possible. There’s protesting too of course and if you attend one of those you’ll see it confirms what you said about all of this transcending traditional political allegiances. Literally every part of society is represented as far as I can see.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Hi leggy, do you know the best place to hear about upcoming protests, I see that all forms of media have done a very good job at suppressing any advertising of these events. Have you got a reliable source of info?
Whilst we’re at this, really we should be forming a anti-lockdown movement of our own, I think a lot of people may be put off by conspiracy theorists but would actually like to take to the streets if the protests and speakers were based on fact.
Jamie, I agree. We need to get things going in small groups on as many days as possible. I’m getting a leaflet printed – it’s based on one of Mabel Cow’s designs and when it’s ready for taking to a printer she can put it on her site.
Anyone in London should, I think, be in Trafalgar Square as much as they can regardless of whether there is an organised event.
Other towns and cities can set up their own standard meeting point.
I have/had glasto tickets too and I’m not giving up the hope it will happen – would have been my first in 13 years, a weekend with my brother who lives in Belfast so I can’t visit him. I have faith that all social life as we know it can’t be quashed forever when they realise the damage this has caused. I have to believe it otherwise…where’s the effing gin!
Good on you! I suggest you try a small shop first. Hold your head high and have a positive but forthright look on your face. Don’t expect trouble. If anyone or a staff member asks about a mask just say proudly “ I’m exempt” so far I’ve been ok with this ‘attitude’ and it’s made a huge difference to my feeling I actually do have rights and will not submit to this farce.
Keep smiling through, as they used to say in the war. As others have said, get an exemption lanyard. You don’t even have to show it, just have it for ‘dutch courage’ if anyone asks. As for booze, I’ve been tempted as well but I find that deep breathing exercises (Wim Hof Method) and exercise in the outdoors are a much better form of anti-depressant (and don’t cost anything).
Thanks for the tips – I run my own business and have two children of 6 and 7 so long walks is a tricky one, but the Wim Hof method is something my hubby has done so I shall seek tips from him – that and super cold showers.
I agree. Tesco’s are fine. And it’s nice to whizz past all the people queuing up for the hand muck at the entrance. Just celebrated over three months of non mask wearing. I have never owned a mask and tried one on just once. Didn’t like it.
Welcome to the sane side of the street. I know where you’re coming from. All my Tory hating friends are lapping up this Conservative foray into fascism. I don’t have a political party as I always agree with bits of all the parties’ policies but since I’ve let rip at the Tories over their response to this virus all I get is blank stares and radio silence. I can’t work it out.
Re not wearing the new global slave gag. You know that you are doing this not because you’re a bad person but because you’re coming from a place of goodness in your heart. Walk tall, smile and be chatty and be confident in saying ‘I’m exempt’, if challenged. It rarely happens. Good luck and report back.
PS: I’m a musician and miss rehearsing playing gigs with my band. I hate this government for what they’re doing to our brilliant music industry.
The first time I went maskless about a month ago I was worried about confrontation but decided I had to do it properly and that meant my lanyard being in my pocket, not round my neck. A back up only, I was going back to normal.
I’ve occasionally been challenged and my word has always been accepted. If that’s still scary you could just say you’re exempt and briefly take your lanyard out your pocket to show the security guard before putting it away.
I know how you’re feeling right now but honestly you’ve nothing to fear. Just do your shop, smile, enjoy breathing in and I guarantee that by the time you come out you’ll have a sense of elation you can scarcely describe.
After that you will not feel the fear again, because you’ll come to realise that sense of elation was you completing your deprogramming and you ain’t ever gonna look back.
Legally all you need to know is it’s illegal for someone to demand you display a lanyard and its illegal for someone to ask what your exemption is. They have to take your word.
Enjoy being human again.
The DM headlines become more farcical every day. The whole covid thing has descended into madness.
This was posted on local FB group, after my not so friendly comments I was booted off the group ,I’ve been trying politely to get them to research for themselves and question the narrative for months to no avail but this was the final straw,a few more friends and neighbours I don’t have worry about added tothe ever increasing list (manic laugh)
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/stop-collaborating-and-take-off-the-stupid-useless-mask/
Good grief.
Perhaps if they stopped getting tested, they wouldn’t be in lockdown.
Great poster!
Stop spreading the virus….what virus is that then?
Left FB about a year ago..best decision of my life.
3 years for me. Never looked back.
Me about a year ago. Agree, it feels like a weight has been lifted off your shoulders. I honestly don’t miss anything about it.
I now only use Facebook to post anti-lockdown cartoons, memes etc.
Jesus wept.
Cue when this is over, they will go “I was against lockdown all along”
Then remind them that they were collaborators.
You are fortune to no longer have these idiots in your life. And hopefully you will be able to switch off face book all together soon enough. Good luck. And be thankful. You tried to help, you failed. You can’t do anymore.
77th Brigade. MW
John Redwood today:
https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2020/10/28/the-new-universocracy/
Hello all. Apologies if this has been posted already. This guy has started a trend of videos showing empty testing centres. He’s called on people to film their local centres at 1PM on Saturday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lZQgkMEhsA
This is great. Empty test centres. Short so easy to watch
There are loads more on his Ministry of Dissent twitter account.
So where do all the terrifying false ‘cases’ come from?
Apples
I can tell you now the one near me will be empty as it always is when I pass it.
Yes, the drive-in test centre at Bidston Moss in the Wirral is always deserted, and has been for the last three weeks.
I predict that SAGE’s prediction of a third CV wave will be worse than their prediction of a second CV wave.
Does that prediction qualify me as a scientist?
Giz us a job. Go on. Giz it.
It doesn’t qualify you as a scientist, but it does qualify you as the sort of flapping gob that Wancock adores.
Your fortune is made!
only if you look like Graham Souness
It’s odd is it not how they keep on about waves, when that’s not how virus work…..oh but look at 1918 and Spanish flu and the deadly second wave, which was not a second wave at all.
If ( IF ) there is a wave it’s because someone built a dam ( lockdown ) and when the dam was knocked down, even to a degree, the water flowed again. The intervention is the reason for the waving effect. Fact.
Now the vaccine may not prevent infection.
So why are we doing all this again?
It’s part of this:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/28/the-great-reset.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201028Z1&mid=DM692956&rid=997955403
‘Covid 19 is a false flag to reset the world’
‘The Great Reset not only ties you to it through an electronic ID linked to your bank account and health records, but even gives you a “social credit” ID that can run every facet of your life.’
Great link Carrie
None of this is in ‘ harmony with nature’. What these control freaks do not understand is the unpredictability and indifference this ‘ nature ‘ has for the human species.
One of the comments to this article by Darzoum For months now, we’ve all added our stories, findings and insights about the glaring inconsistencies behind the “science” of the “pandemic.” In an era of real journalism, any one of those revelations would have been blockbuster “Watergate level” news to bring the entire facade crashing down. But expose whatever you will about PCR tests, Anthony Fauci, hydroxychloroquine/zinc, Neil Ferguson, sending COVID patients into old age homes, vitamin D, masks, gain of function, mRNA vaccines, Moderna, ventilators, Google, censorship, conflicts of interest, etc, nothing changes. Go outside and people are still socially distancing and wearing masks that barely conceal their fright. Media shills are still announcing the 2nd wave with eager anticipation. No matter what actual science is presented to refute the official narrative, nothing changes because this is not about science or a virus. That’s not the issue; if it were, these extreme, unproven measures would have already been over. The agenda is the Great Reset, Technocracy, Transhumanism, the Fourth Industrial Revolution, the New World Order or whatever else you care to call it. It’s an agenda with long roots. It’s hitched a ride on 9/11 and it’s hitching a ride on an invisible, non-isolated SARS-CoV-2 virus. It uses fear of a… Read more »
Nearly there now. Just tge afmission that the vaccine will cause infection and the complete set of admissions will be in.
Why are we doing this ? I have 3 reasons.
Protection of G20 countries all of whom have acted the same way, and all are committed to the same commercial outcomes.
Protection of Boris Johnson, who has acted the tool throughout, while also by stealth destroying our Parliamentary system.
Protection of capitalism, which is going to profit to a massive amount due to “building back better” across the world. I.E forced western investment in poor countries.
Why are they doing this to us ? Because we do not matter a single shit to anyone of them.
“Being seriously ill enough from the infection to need hospital admission can sadly lead to more Covid-related deaths.”
Well, yes, we know that hospitals are one of the main sources of infection, but it is nice to see SAGE admit it.