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by Will Jones
5 November 2020 2:52 AM

The Betrayal of Britain

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Bob’s cartoon in today’s Telegraph, contrasting with his optimistic Brexit cartoon of February 1st

Inevitable it may have become, but no less dreadful for that. Yesterday afternoon 516 elected representatives of the English people voted to put England back into lockdown, following the other home nations into this dreary stasis. The aim? To suppress temporarily and with no obvious strategic purpose a disease which over 99.7% of people survive. The excuses of March relied on by many at the time – that not enough was known about the virus to permit any alternative – were no longer available. Seven months down the track and ignorance is no longer a defence. We know far more about this virus – its virulence, who is vulnerable to it, how to treat it, how it responds (or doesn’t) to restrictions, and what it does in places where restrictions are eschewed – to make properly informed decisions. Yet MPs were instead presented with already falsified, out-of-date models predicting imminent catastrophe. The working and assumptions for these dubious creations were only published just before the vote.

Just 39 MPs voted against the lockdown. 34 were Tory rebels voting against the Government. Here is the Roll of Honour:

Adam Afriyie, Steve Baker (teller), Peter Bone, Sir Graham Brady, Steve Brine, Sir Christopher Chope, Philip Davies, Jonathan Djanogly, Jackie Doyle-Price, Richard Drax, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Marcus Fysh, Chris Green, James Grundy, Mark Harper, Gordon Henderson, Philip Hollobone (teller), David Jones, Tim Loughton, Craig Mackinlay, Stephen McPartland, Esther McVey, Huw Merriman, Anne Marie Morris, Sir Mike Penning, John Redwood, Andrew Rosindell, Henry Smith, Sir Desmond Swayne, Sir Robert Syms, Derek Thomas, Sir Charles Walker, Craig Whittaker, William Wragg.

There were also four DUP MPs: Paul Girvan, Carla Lockhart, Ian Paisley and Sammy Wilson. And one independent: Julian Lewis. To any of our readers who wrote to these MPs, take a bow. There were also a number of abstentions, most notably Theresa May (though some were because they were Scottish MPs or paired).

The 90 minute debate saw MPs lay mercilessly into the Government’s handling of the epidemic. These MPs at least did not let us down.

One of the surprise heroes of the debate was Theresa May, who has become quite the hardened sceptic (though oddly she then abstained in the vote). As she stood up Boris actually walked out of the Commons (watch here), to audible surprise from MPs. May just shrugged and carried on. 

She said the prediction of 4,000 deaths a day “was wrong before it was even used”. We need proper analyses, she said. “We need to know the details behind these models. We need to be able to assess the validity of those models.”

She raised concerns about a lack of data on the costs of lockdown, including on mental health, domestic abuse, non-Covid treatments, “possibly more suicides” and to the economy: “Jobs lost, livelihoods shattered, businesses failing, whole sectors damaged. What sort of airline industry are we going to have coming out of this? What sort of hospitality sector? What sort of small independent shops will be left?” After watching her performance, you couldn’t help but wonder if we would have been better off during this crisis if she’d been in charge.

Philip Davies, Conservative MP for Shipley, asked why Matt Hancock had “failed in this task” of sorting out test and trace before now. He said: “Instead of building that capacity and sorting out test and trace properly, he has been spending far too much of his time seemingly relishing the power of seeking to micromanage every aspect of everyone’s lives.” 

It is “perfectly clear” lockdowns do not work, he added, but they do damage the economy and people’s mental health. If they worked, “we would have solved it months ago”. And yet the Government “still persists with this failed strategy”. But the public “no longer has any faith” in what they are doing. He asked how many job losses it would take before Mr Hancock accepted it was the wrong strategy.

Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee and MP for Altringham and Sale West, said he “fully accepts” the sincerity of Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock. But he will vote against the lockdown “with greater conviction than I have in casting any vote in those 23 years” he has served as an MP. He says the impact assessment should be published for the sake of MPs and the public and it should be available for ministers to base their decisions on. 

The Government is “reaching too far into the private and family lives” of the country, he said, observing “an arrogance – unintended perhaps” in assuming the Government has the right to tell people whether they can visit elderly parents, or their children or grandchildren. He told MPs that he “can’t be the only one” who has had constituents in “floods of tears” because of the restrictions. Does the Government have the right “for heaven’s sake”, he wondered, “to tell consenting adults with whom they are allowed to sleep”, to ban communal worship, golf or tennis. 

He said Johnson’s argument, that despite the lack of evidence for each restriction the whole lot must be accepted as a package to avoid it unravelling, was not good enough. “We cannot vote for measures on that flimsy basis, which patently make no sense,” he said. “I have a fundamental problem with much of what we are being asked to do here.”

Sir Charles Walker, 1922 Committee Vice Chairman, told MPs that “freedoms are like the air we breathe” and are fundamental to the country, yet “once again we stand on the threshold of using the rule of law to undermine the rule of law”. He pointedly reminded members they are not asking people to do something “we have coerced them, we have coerced them through criminal and civil law.” The freedom to go about one’s business – and the freedom to protest – are “the oxygen of democracy”, he said. 

Dismissing “sincerely held concerns as wanting to let the virus rip is deeply ungenerous and deeply, deeply unkind,” he added. Sir Charles said he wants people to live full, long, happy lives, but while our mortality is “our contract with our maker”, our freedom is a contract with Government. He said he would not support the “terribly unjust” lockdown, adding: “I will have no part of criminalising parents for seeing their children, and children for seeing their parents.”

Poignantly, former chief whip and Forest of Dean MP Mark Harper told the Commons he will vote against the Government for “only the second time in my 15 years in this House”.

“You will know, madam Deputy Speaker, from our shared endeavours in the usual channels that it is not easy for a former Chief Whip not to support their party,” he said. He stressed that in his part of the country infections are “flat or falling” and no concerns have been raised by local hospitals. He said the modelling that has been presented is “old data and we already know and [Theresa May] set this out very clearly that the most extreme of those is wrong… and wrong by a factor of four or five”. 

“I simply don’t believe the Government has made the case,” he added, also flagging concerns about the burden enforcing the restrictions will place on the police. 

Tory MP Huw Merriman (see his tweets here) asked the Prime Minister what evidence he has that more lives would be saved through lockdown than the restrictions will cause themselves. 

Boris acknowledged this was “the crux of the debate” but argued MPs must “look at the immediate peril we face”. He stressed “the real risk of mortality on what I think would be a grievous scale which would stem from doing nothing”. 

He says doctors and nurses would be forced to make “impossible choices about which patients would live and which would die” – a favourite argument of his, and clearly one which impacts him deeply, perhaps betraying his own fear of making difficult decisions. In reality, triage and prioritising patients for ICU admission is a routine part of managing the demands on the health service. Heads of ICUs make choices about which patients should live and die every day. Besides, he is surely aware that figures show hospitals are nowhere close to being overwhelmed, and that we are a long way from the kind of demand (and deaths) that were seen in England 1993-2000.

Yet he repeated the bizarre claim Chris Whitty made on Monday that the “existential threat” to the NHS comes from “not focusing enough” on coronavirus, which would deprive other patients of the care they need. There are mountains of evidence that it was the lockdown that decimated healthcare in this country, not the virus.

Labour leader Keir Starmer complained MPs should have had more time to scrutinise legislation and “iron out” inconsistencies, and criticised the regulations as “not in any way desirable or perfect”. Nonetheless, Labour would support them, he said, because the Government had “lost control”, betraying the sharp political edge to his manoeuvring. 

“To anybody who disputes the trajectory of the virus, or what the cost of inaction would be, I would point out that when SAGE warned 44 days ago… there were 11 deaths from COVID-19,” he said, noting that on Monday 397 deaths were reported. “That is not graphs, not projections, that is the grim facts,” he said. “That direction of travel has been clear for some time.” But how many more deaths than normal does that figure represent? He didn’t say. Neither did he comment on the evidence that infections are plateauing rather than growing exponentially as R continues to fall.

Scandal: PCR Testing Sites Not Fit For Purpose

A DJ in Ibiza: The kind of “expert” employed to carry out PCR tests by the Government

We were sent the below by someone employed at a PCR testing site in Salisbury. We are republishing it today for those who missed it in yesterday’s mid-afternoon update. Find it also on the right-hand menu here.

Forgive the intrusion but I was given your contact details courtesy of a mutual friend. I realise the gravity of making this information public and genuinely feel that you are best placed to air my concerns about the fundamentally flawed service provided at testing sites. To be specific, the site operating in Salisbury which has been awarded/allocated without tender or public scrutiny to the unlikely coalition of Mitie and Deloitte.

I was accepted for work instantly after applying online at 01:00 in the morning. I filled out a mere two pages of information – no reference checks, no criminal record check, no photographic ID – and started work the following Monday at 08:00. I was deployed into the car park to essentially point and wave at cars for my first two shifts. I was told that we could read books, use our phones and use tablets in our non-customer-facing time. In a 12-hour shift that time could easily be upwards of eight to nine hours. After proving myself with my enthusiastic waving and gesturing to genuinely bemused looking members of the public I was promoted after three days to the PPE team. At this point, I still hadn’t had any non automated contact with the agency which had placed me.

The PPE team as it turned out was indeed a promotion. Along with ensuring the continuous supply of plastic gloves and surgical face masks to staff on site, we were tasked with assembling the MT PCR testing kits. This entailed putting the vials, swabs and instruction leaflets in foil bags. Some bags were sealed if they were for RTS use (mobile units) and others unsealed if for use on the static site. The static site being a special site donated free of charge by Wiltshire Council as it was now redundant as a park-and-ride site. Redundant thanks to lockdown.

It became apparent to me frighteningly quickly how unstructured and chaotic the processes on the site were across the board. I completed two-and-a-half years of a mental health nursing degree back in 2013 and I realised, thanks to my prior training, we were preparing these tests in a totally non-sterile environment. A bloody shipping container to be precise! I questioned the practice with site management only to be told that they had no formal written policies in place and so procedures were “fluffy”.

Unlike some of my other colleagues, I decided to read the storage instructions that accompanied the containers of the vials. To my horror, it emerged that the formula needed to be stored at between zero and eight degrees Celsius after a sample is taken and then transported to one of the three testing labs in Milton Keynes, all run by Lighthouse. I have photographic evidence of the temperature in one of the unsanitary shipping containers that the tests were stored in prior to collection – it was not between zero and eight. Furthermore, the instructions stated that the sample must be stored and transported upright. Yet at the Salisbury site, the completed tests were put into medex containers on their side with up to 100 samples crammed in. The aforementioned containers were then collected and transported to Milton Keynes by a combination of Royal Mail vans and privately unmarked and undocumented couriers using their own family saloon cars.

I reported my concerns to management but was told that if I had a problem I should contact the CEO of Mitie. Not unsurprisingly, I declined for fear of the retribution that would almost certainly follow. The testing facility itself never had less than 34 staff on site. That’s one thing Mitie had insisted upon and it was strictly adhered to. Not a single staff member involved at any level had any medical training. Not one! The closest to it was an ex-army nurse who no longer held her pin and was allocated to supervise the car park traffic. The Site Lead and the Deputy Site Manager were an ex-paratrooper and a DJ from Ibiza. No disrespect to either DJs or paratroopers as they have been part of some of my best nights out ever. They are not, however, the people I want deciding how we store and handle possible COVID-19 samples on a testing site with “fluffy” procedures. From Dido Harding at the top to the unvetted, poorly-educated minions implementing policy at the coal face, not one of these people is remotely qualified for the task in hand.

I was also added to a WhatsApp group for the PPE team which was rather unorthodoxly sent to our private phones. I remained part of the group for weeks after I left the site. I have a record of exactly how many tests were performed each day from the July 29th until October 14th. During this time we were told to limit the amount of tests undertaken each day to 145, despite there being ample capacity and stock. The previous daily record of tests undertaken on our site was 459. No reason was given as to why we should limit testing in this way. Without doubt the highlight of the WhatsApp stream is an email shared between G4S and Mitie about a gentlemen in a white van who appeared at the MTU 179 in Lewisham trying to collect tests with a van covered in graffiti that was full of rubbish and contained a large dog. Incredibly, he appeared to have a medex box from another site that he’d already picked up and was taking to a lab when he was turned away from Lewisham.

At Last – a Good Response From an MP

Richard Fuller, MP for North East Bedfordshire, sent this response to a constituent, which we think is pretty good.

Thank you for your recent email regarding today’s vote in Parliament whether to provide the legal basis for a second national lockdown. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with me.

There will be limited time for debate today and I am unlikely to be selected to speak. I have therefore laid out my thinking on my website, here, but as this is quite a long, I would like to summarise the key points here.

On balance, I have decided that I cannot support the motion to impose a nationwide lockdown. I will abstain rather than vote against because my alternative approach does not currently have the requisite support from medical advisors. What is material, and which I hope the government will recognise, are my reasons for not supporting these measures and the actions I now wish the government to take.

My main arguments are that the measures represent an overreach of government powers in a free society; that alternatives, such as the recently adopted tiered approach, provide a more targeted response which should be given more time; and that the information provided does not demonstrate persuasively that the potential benefits outweigh the costs in lives and livelihoods.

We are a free country within the law. We are not an authoritarian system: freedoms have been fought for and matter: the freedom to associate, the freedom to worship, and the freedom to trade. Parliament should defend these freedoms not acquiesce in their limitation until all other options have been pursued.  Sadly, these measures suggest the government has become too casual in its exercise of powers to restrain our freedoms. It is unacceptable that people should not be able to see their relatives in care homes; that communal worship should be prohibited; and that businesses which have spent considerable sums to make their premises Covid secure should be forced to close in areas where the virus is not prevalent.

I have given Ministers some suggestions for what they should focus on now. Firstly, to operationalise the rapid testing strategy being clear with the public of the constraints and timeline. 

Secondly to put Covid in context with other illnesses and diseases by galvanising the NHS to make progress on clearing the backlog of treatments and presenting statistics that broaden understanding rather than reinforce this unique focus. Thirdly, to restore the traditional disciplines on the scope of government action and by making available the full assessment of policy consequences before judgements must be made.

Alexander Hamilton Nails It

To retract an error even in the beginning is no easy task. Perseverance confirms us in it and rivets the difficulty; but in a public station, to have been in an error, and to have persisted in it, when it is detected, ruins both reputation and fortune. To this we may add that disappointment and opposition inflame the minds of men and attach them still more to their mistakes.

Alexander Hamilton, 1774

“I Will Never Vote for the Labour Party Again”

A Lockdown Sceptics reader and life-long Labour voter has sent us the letter she sent to her MP Rebecca Long-Bailey informing her she will not be voting for them again.

Dear Rebecca,

I write today to let you and Sir Keir Starmer know that I will never vote for the Labour Party again.

I am 62 years of age and have voted Labour all of my life. I grew up in a Yorkshire mining town, my family were miners and I saw their struggles. At school I was in remedial class but I overcame this problem and by my mid-30s I had obtained a 1st Class science degree, an MPhil, a teaching qualification, a diploma in psychotherapy and a postgraduate qualification in public health. I spent most of my working life employed by the NHS. I have specialised in mental health and HIV prevention.

With this background I believe you can see I am talking from substantial experience and qualifications. It is from this position that I wish to convey my utter disappointment and disgust in the position the Labour Party has taken over the pandemic. I have personal circumstances in that my frail elderly father with vascular dementia has been unable to have the support of his family since mid-March. I have returned to Salford today from my weekly trip to Yorkshire, where I pick up my father’s 83 year old sister and drive to the care home to sit outside locked double glazed doors to try to support my father who sits inside in his wheelchair. I see other families, wives and husbands in their late 80s, separated and, as all of us in this position, maybe never to see our family member in person again. It is heart breaking.

I am so angry as the Labour Party could have advocated for the 400,000 lonely and isolated care home residents and their desperate families. The Labour Party could have supported the call, begun in the summer, for families to be treated as key workers and for care homes to have more support and to have their insurance underwritten by the Government. It did not.

On the eve of the second nation lockdown of my country I do not have words to express my anger in the Labour Party. You could have taken the route of challenging the authoritarian imposition of restrictions, you could have challenged the fear, you could have promoted trust and unity. Instead I have seen the Labour Party drive fear, promote greater authoritarianism and neglect the poor in our communities. It is only the fortunate who can benefit from lockdown and work from home. So many other people are needed to support the community – shop workers, food preparation, supply and delivery, police, fire service, care workers, health service workers, warehouse pickers, packers and deliverers, refuse workers, construction workers, waste water workers, power supply workers, this list is endless. Whilst the rich are indoors sheltering the poor service their needs.

It is my opinion that the Labour Party has failed the country generally and poor communities in particular.

I would like you to show Keir Starmer my email as I am certain my views are representative of many former Labour Party voters.

Test and Trace Stasi

A reader sent us a disturbing story heard from a neighbour.

Her sister who lives in Skipton tested positive a few days ago – she only took the test because she’d lost her sense of smell. She had no other symptoms to speak of. She self-isolated immediately.

This was followed by “in excess” of 20 text messages demanding that she download the NHS App. She did not do so since she doesn’t want to be followed round by it and she’s self-isolating anyway. She was then telephoned by the Test and Trace system and the caller threatened her with a “police check at your address if you do not download the app.” Utterly furious, she ended the phone call and is waiting to see what happens next.

Needless to say, there is no such legal basis for the threat: the app is entirely voluntary. One wonders what the motivation for the threat is – is the Test and Trace system based on some sort of “results” score sheet? Are they even paid by the download? God knows.

It just shows you how it doesn’t have to be the government introducing a Stasi system of rule – some members of the Great British Public are only too happy to do it for them off their own bats. That’s actually more frightening.

“Captivity in Somalia Was Easier Than Lockdown”

Eleven years ago Paul Chandler and his wife Rachel were abducted by Somali pirates and held hostage for over a year. Here Paul reflects on the ways in which lockdown is worse.

Almost 10 years ago, on November 14th 2010, Rachel and I regained our freedom after 388 days at gunpoint. Now, in Evesham, “quarantine” (after returning from Portugal) is morphing into “lockdown” – euphemisms for house arrest. Approaching that 10 year anniversary, and with ample time to fret, I can’t help but think about the similarities and contrasts.

The events, although at first glance dramatically different, have followed a remarkably similar trajectory. In September 2009 we were in a particular place at the wrong time; early in 2020 a novel virus appeared in an unsuspecting world. In the Indian Ocean a dramatic and terrifying violent attack was followed by a gradual de-escalation of the physical threat and settling down to a safe, if boring, existence. The virus made a terrifying attack in Europe and elsewhere, followed by a gradual accumulation of empirical data which show that it is “just another virus” with which we must co-exist. Initially in Somalia there seemed to be no end to our sentence. But we realised that there would be – there was only a negotiation to be completed first.  In the UK, on the other hand…

Comparison of the physical conditions is facile, and not terribly interesting. But the psychology, the mind games, that’s another matter.

In Somalia I managed eventually to quell the feeling of guilt (how could I, the male in the relationship, have put my partner into such a situation?). Despite the media’s preoccupation with “what food did you miss?” the overwhelming loss was of course freedom. Buoyed by a (partial) adherence to Stoicism I determined not to worry about things I could not control. I accepted that our freedom had been stolen by a gang of youngsters, most of whom bore us no malice and were in a sense good honest criminals. What a contrast with today – our freedom, and that of the whole population, has been stolen by our own Government. A totally dishonest campaign (since May, at least) by the “fatuous four”, whose eyes, ears and minds are open only to the advice from the “dishonest duo” (you know who I mean), fraudulently giving wilfully exaggerated forecasts (sorry, projections; no, scenarios) based on the anti-scientific, irrational group-think emanating from the half-witted huddle named after a herb.

Once I realised that our captors meant us no harm, and that the process of negotiation was outwith my control, my mind turned to the obvious risks – accident and health problems. In either case the absence of available medical care could be fatal, and this was an ever present fear. In reality our captors, aware that our value to them was in direct proportion to our health, ensured that we were supplied with all the medicines we needed – if care in a failed state was difficult, at least medicines would be no problem. We were given a (fairly) healthy diet, plenty of fresh air and sun – vitamin D to the rescue! 2020 in Evesham: there is, to all intents and purposes, no routine health service. People are encouraged to stay indoors – directly contrary to biological requirements. And the situation here is a result of direct action by the government. I am much more concerned about deteriorating health or injury here than I was in Somalia. 

Control of information is a tool of oppressors. In Somalia our captors provided a radio and encouraged us to listen to the World Service (only 10 years ago the BBC was still held in great esteem in many parts of the world.) In the UK in 2020 the media is coerced (that which isn’t a government propaganda outlet) into suppression of information that does not match the narrative. There are, thank goodness, a few honourable exceptions. At this point Orwell’s 1984 jumps into my mind – not only rewriting the facts to match the narrative, but NEWSPEAK: adjusting language to remove the ability to question. UK Government 2020 – redefining words such as “case” and “exponential” so as to make reasoned consideration meaningless.

A few months into our captivity the gang discovered the leverage they could exert by separating us. Once they kept us apart for three months. This was a huge blow, raising our mental stress and generating violent behaviour in the gang. Why did they stop? Did they realise that this was beyond the pale for “good, honest criminals”? Now, in the UK in 2020, it brings tears to my eyes to think of the countless elderly or mentally ill people being kept apart from their partners or other family for months on end – indeed often being kept in isolation until death. Is this cruel and unusual punishment? Breach of human rights? Unthinking, uncaring diktat? This is a direct consequence of government action – I despair.

One thought leads to another – dehumanisation. Society depends on social interaction. Ten years ago I mastered a little of the Somali language, the better to interact with our captors. I had in mind explaining some of the cultural differences between us, with a view to persuading them to see the error of their ways. Almost without exception they encouraged this engagement, up to a point of course – they didn’t get as far as teaching me to fire an AK47. They wanted us to be as happy as possible in the circumstances. Contrast with here and now. By Government diktat discourse is discouraged, made almost impossible for many.

I am trying to say why I am so depressed, an order of magnitude more than when we were in captivity. And the most distressing thing is that it is all down to government action.

Finally, Orwell again. 1984, although set in the future, is not a fantasy, full of scientific imaginings. It is a warning. Fast becoming a forecast (sorry, projection). There is no happy ending. The essence that I take from it is that dystopia is not a temporary state. There is still, in a few people, a dimming memory of better times. There is no future. Mere existence is not life. We must heed the warning.

Now my blood is boiling, but that’s healthier than despondency. My conclusion is that there is only a superficial similarity between Somalia 2010 and Evesham 2020. The contrasts in terms of mental health – low mood, depression, etc. – are huge, and in favour of Somalia. Then it was the bad guys in charge, acting as well as they could, subject to their declared criminal aim. Now it is another group of bad guys, but they think they are the good guys. I despair.

Lockdown Loophole Permitting Public Worship?

A reader thinks he’s spotted an unintended loophole in the regulations that means communal worship can go ahead – as long as it’s being broadcast.

The rules are in STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS 2020 No. 1200 PUBLIC HEALTH, ENGLAND: The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020

“5.(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.” … including “6. (2) (e) to attend a place of worship;”

So you can still leave your home to go to a church. This might be for private prayer – this is allowed: churches can be used “18 (8) (f) for individual prayer, and for these purposes, ‘individual prayer’ means prayer by individuals which does not form part of communal worship”.

They have closed the churches: “18. (7) A person who is responsible for a place of worship must ensure that the place of worship is closed, except for uses permitted in paragraph (8)”, but with exceptions …

“(8) A place of worship may be used … (c) to broadcast an act of worship, whether over the internet or as part of a radio or television broadcast”.

So the person responsible does not have to close the church if it is used to broadcast an act of worship. (I assume this was the Government intention.) But the Government thinks – and the churches believe – that congregational worship is banned – this is in the Archbishops’ letter (written before the SI was published).

But in fact the congregants can still attend the act of worship by virtue of 6. (2) (e) (and I assume this was most certainly not the Government intention).

How is this? 18. (8) (c) allows churches to conduct a worship service if it is broadcast from the church. Crucially, it does not forbid a congregation to attend it. The Government could have written more restricted regulations. For example:

6. (2) (e) to attend a place of worship for the purposes of individual prayer;

18, (8) (c) to broadcast an act of worship other than an act of communal worship, whether over the internet or as part of a radio or television broadcast” ;

or maybe

18, (8) (c) to broadcast an act of worship involving only persons present as part of their work or providing voluntary services in connection with the act of worship, whether over the internet or as part of a radio or television broadcast”.

But they did not. Therefore, as long as somebody in a church can Facebook Live or YouTube live stream, communal worship can carry on.

The crucial point seems to be that the regulations fail to specify that they ban communal worship (only saying the church must be closed, save for the exceptions) and also fail to specify that the exception for broadcasting an act of worship does not permit communal worship. Meanwhile, attending a place of worship remains a reasonable excuse to leave the house. Would any lawyer readers like to confirm for us if this reading is correct? Ideally before Sunday?

What MPs Should Have Asked Whitty And Vallance

Whitty, Vallance: 'No evidence to back church closures' - The Christian  Institute

Francis Hoar, a barrister on Simon Dolan’s legal team and a Lockdown Sceptics reader, sent some questions via Twitter to the Science and Technology Select Committee but they were ignored by MPs. A great shame as they are exactly the questions the two advisers need to answer.

  1. The results for the PCR tests, which is the basis for all the ‘case’, hospitalisation and death numbers, are found after 45 cycles. Why do you continue to use 45 cycles when they create so many false positive results?
  2. It is right, isn’t it, that that data on hospital ‘admissions’ of patients with COVID-19 includes anyone who has had a positive PCR test up to 14 days before admission, on admission or after admission. Moreover, is it not right that any person testing positive within different seven day periods would be counted within each of those?
  3. In relation to deaths, is it not right that these include all deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR test, regardless of the cause of death?
  4. PHE publish the Emergency Department Synromic Surveillance System: England every week. This includes data on attendances for respiratory infections, which include COVID-19. Does the latest, published on 28th October, not show that the daily number of attendances in A&E for all respiratory infections and for all acute respiratory infections (both of which include COVID-19) are below average for the time of year and rising at no more than average levels?
  5. In the most recent ‘Weekly national Influenza and COVID-19 surveillance report’, published on October 29th 2020, it was found that triage for respiratory infections (including COVID-19) was at average levels?
  6. Professor Chris Whitty has said that the quantification of excess deaths is internationally recognised as the “key metric” in assessing countries’ performance in handling infectious diseases. In the Surveillance Report, it stated that: “No significant excess all-cause mortality was observed in week 42 overall or by age group, however subnationally excess was noted in the North West.”
  7. However, there have been substantial fewer excess deaths from acute respiratory infections but considerable excess deaths for ischaemic heart diseases and cerebrovascular diseases.
  8. Thus, this data suggests that there are: (1) Fewer 111 and GP assessments for respiratory infections than is typical for the time of year; (2) Fewer patients treated for acute respiratory infections than the seasonal norm; and (3) Fewer deaths from acute respiratory infections (including COVID-19) than is normal for this time of year. If that is so, how can you say that there is a respiratory health crisis?
  9. The NHS has provided data for the last quarter of 2019, which shows that a mean of 89.6% of beds and 91.5% of “general and acute” beds were occupied between October and December 2019 within the North West of England. What is the occupancy now?
  10. What is the total occupancy for hospitals in other regions both this year and 2018 and 2019 for ICU units and generally? Without this, how can we compare this year against other years in which there were bad flu epidemics – including especially 2018?

Stop Press: Parliament’s website shows that five questions from MPs about the false positive rate have gone unanswered by ministers. The only answer so far, posted on Monday: “The Department of Health and Social Care has indicated that it will not be possible to answer this question within the usual time period. An answer is being prepared and will be provided as soon as it is available.”

Round-Up

  • “Surge in infections left us with little choice but to accept this lockdown” – Chin-wobbling piece from Priti Patel in the Telegraph essentially arguing that as respiratory infections usually go up in the autumn we must lock the country down. So, an annual event then?
  • “You only die twice: How the virus figures are fudged” – Diana Kimpton in Conservative Woman on the dubious way Covid hospital admissions and deaths are over-counted
  • “Do Boris and his Brainiacs of Doom really think we can’t see that the numbers in their dodgy dossier don’t begin to add up to a new lockdown?” – Latest slice of scepticism from Janet Street-Porter in the Mail
  • “If this was 1940, Boris Johnson would stand down The Few to ‘protect the RAF’” – Richard Littlejohn in the Mail on BoJo’s calamitous surrender
  • “Donald Trump and the death of identity politics” – Brendan O’Neill in the Spectator says whatever the result of the US election, it’s proven people think for themselves and don’t just vote along ethnic lines
  • “Critique of Data sending UK into Lockdown Meltdown!” – Ivor Cummins’s latest video debunking the dodgy dossier of doom
  • “The things we’re not being told as lockdown looms” – Timely inquisitive piece by Nick Triggle, the BBC’s resident sceptic
  • “All older children and teachers in England must wear face masks at school” – Depressing new guidance for secondary school children, via Sky News. Although it doesn’t apply to classrooms, where masks are still optional (thank God)
  • “Chris Whitty forced to admit Covid cases in Liverpool are falling in older age groups” – The CMO admits he made an error (just one?)
  • “Moral Maze: A balanced approach to risk and deaths in the current crisis” – Ellen Townsend, Professor of Psychology at Nottingham University and Lockdown Sceptics reader, appeared as a witness on the Moral Maze last night to put across the sceptical case (Ellen is on at 10m 45s). Andrew Doyle (the creator of Titania McGrath and co-creator of Comedy Unleashed) is one of the panellists
  • “Transmission of SARS-COV-2 Infections in Households” – New study from the US CDC showing that 64% of those who shared a house with a symptomatic Covid-positive patient either did not suffer infection (46%) or had asymptomatic infection (18%), confirming likely high levels of pre-existing immunity
  • “Slovakia offers proof that testing millions for coronavirus can work” – It’s coming, in the Times
  • “Police ARREST nurse trying to take her mother, 97, from care home” – Britain goes the way of Kim-Jong Dan’s Victoria, from the Mail
  • “Priti Patel orders police to get tough on Covid rulebreakers” – Speaking of which…
  • “Human rights discarded at the Gates of Hell” – More from Prof Ramesh Thakur in the Aussie Speccie
  • “Sainsbury’s and Argos set to cut 3,000 jobs tomorrow as second national lockdown begins” – The lockdown bites, in the Sun
  • “High street meltdown as M&S sinks to loss and John Lewis cuts 1,500 jobs” – And some more, in the Telegraph
  • “Britons could launch class-action lawsuit for Government ‘falsely imprisoning’ nation, says lawyer” – Sounds like a great idea, in the Mail

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one today: “Cosy Prisons” by A-ha.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, a reader has sent us the ludicrous menu of genders that confronts a person when attempting to register for “Crunchbase.com”, a platform for tech companies to market their latest fundraising rounds:

  • Female
  • Male
  • Agender
  • Androgyne
  • Androgynous
  • Bigender
  • Female to Male (FTM)
  • Male to Female (MTF)
  • Gender Fluid
  • Gender Nonconforming
  • Gender Questioning
  • Gender Variant
  • Genderqueer
  • Non-Binary
  • Neutrois
  • Pangender
  • Transgender Person
  • Transgender Female
  • Transgender Woman
  • Transgender Male
  • Transgender Man
  • Transfeminine
  • Transmasculine
  • Transsexual Person
  • Transsexual Female
  • Transsexual Woman
  • Transsexual Male
  • Transsexual Man
  • Two-Spirit
  • Other
  • Prefer not to identify

Completely insane.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swfyslAaz2o

This YouTube mash-up by Computing Forever in which Klaus Schwab, the architect of the Great Reset, is intercut with famous movie villains is pretty funny. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but… (Still think that phrase would look great on a T-shirt.)

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Let this be a lesson to all that speaking reason to power does not work. Let it be a lesson that the good of the people is not a concern of those in government. And let it be a lesson that asking and pleading is not enough.

To echo President Trump: “Will you remember this, England?”

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Impossible to speak to those who do not listen, be it masked sheeple or our so called parliamentary representatives.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Oh, if this were as simple as people not listening… Government have built barriers around themselves to make sure you can’t even talk with them. My MP (Zarah Sultana, who does not represent me in any way, shape, or form) hasn’t even bothered responding to my please for reason. How can i demand an answer? I can’t go to the local council, there’s probably no one there. And even if there was, you would never get an audience. I can’t go to her house to complain, i’d be (rightfully, i think) arrested. We can’t even get as far as not being listened to. We can’t even speak. How can any of us demand answer of Johnson and Hancock? How can we be face to face with them and demand answers from them, unrelenting until we get them?

We cannot.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

(rightfully, i think)

That people fear talking to other people (who have voluntarily stood for political office) is bonkers. We’ll need to disagree on that one.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

My opinion is that the families of public figures should not be brought into such arguments. Sure, there may come a time when there is no other recourse but to show up in front of someone’s home with a protest, but i don’t consider that to be a normal state of affairs.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Their families made a karmic decision when incarnating. So there. 🙂

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Yes, I’m tired of hearing the phrase trotted out about speaking truth to power. I don’t know where it comes from but it’s such obvious nonsense that I wonder how people can delude themselves that it will have any effect.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Yes, speaking truth to ruthless power makes you a target.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

It’s cathartic; it sets an example to others to at least think for themselves; and it lets the guilty know some do not swallow their line.

There’s 3 effects. 🙂

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Speaking reason/truth to power works sometimes,and sometimes it doesn’t. In general,it’s much better when it does, obviously.

The trend in the US sphere is towards intolerance, and has been for decades, as reflected in the dilution of freedom of speech and thought principles with self-serving concepts of unacceptable “hate speech” and unacceptable exercises of personal liberty that inconvenience or “offend” others.

The end, in this direction, is the locking in of the new, dominant leftist principles of the C20th as official truth dogma, globally, much as Christian truths were once locked in and enforced by law. They may succeed, or they may not. Everyone will have to choose a side on these debates that either push towards or resist that goal. The coronapanic is an aspect of this, whereby the rights of individuals to dissent are circumscribed by pressure and ultimately force, rationalised as legitimate based on “greater good” arguments.

In the end, though, either they must be forced to compromise, or we must surrender, or there must be violence.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

Thinking about taking the dog out for a walk, may try to wait a bit longer.

This new craziness is driving me to despair, cannot sleep, wondering what is coming next.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Ii know it’s hard, but keep the faith, we will prevail

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

No other way.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The sooner you take the dog for a walk, the better.
Dogs go on being dogs whatever lunacy the zombie population may be wallowing in. Give them a home, food, walkies and love and they are happy. They’re the best therapy. And very few dog walkers are zombies, so gou’ll get plenty of chsnces to interact with human brings.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

So you allow dogs? If my admiration for you had a higher notch, I’d just have moved you to it!

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Aw thats so lovely…if I lived where you are I would be a weekly regular. You sound so relaxed and chilled…not uptight like some cafe owners.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Head of barketing! 😀

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Wild animals help as well. There’s a fox on my allotment that has become increasingly bold as there are fewer people on the site. I’ve seen it each time I’ve been there recently. It walks across my plot often within 2m of me. Obviously, it does not care about antisocial distancing. It knows it has a right to live, as do I.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Off-topic perhaps: but, would anyone have an idea about who it is that dug a deep hole in my garden a few nights ago? In a flowerbed. The hole was as deep as you would dig to plant a well-grown shrub. Lots and lots of earth had been thrown up. (In the bottom of the hole I saw a bone, which I threw away.) Might it have been a badger? It must have had powerful paws.
Then a couple of mornings later I found a dead rat in the garden. Do badgers kill rats?
I know I have had a fox: in the summer he would come and sleep for a few hours on the lawn. He had huge triangular ears and didn’t mind me watching him from the kitchen window.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Depends on your soil type. A fox can do that overnight with ease when the soil is loose. If it’s heavy clay then it’s badger.
Recommend discouraging either. Spread ticks and Lyme Disease, both very horrible.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

You don’t live in Gloucester do you?

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

some animal trying to dig their way out of this shitshow of a country which railroads it’s citizens!
It’s likely to be a fox – i have them and they dig really deep especially to get under the shed.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

It’ll be a Tasmanian devil. You can identify them by their ‘whirlwind-style’ getaways.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Foxes have very good hearing but only out front. I once scared the bejeezus out of an urban fox walking up behind him and encroaching on his social space! 🙂

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Merlin
Merlin
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I have taken to putting little post-its round the house that read “be more dog”

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes dogs are lovely…and so are my cats. They have helped me endure this insanity. They are far too clever to ever go along with such absurdity…..only people could ever be that stupid. They also have a more mature and accepting attitude to death. They accept its part of life and move on….thats what I see happen when one of my animal family dies.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I just brought home 2 new cats last night, bro and sis 7 months old. I put down my last surviving cat back in late August and I’m not lying when I say life since then had felt meaningless. Now I’m back to feeling like myself and a cat dad once again!

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Aw thats lovely…..I have 2 sister cats aged 8 too….they scrap a bit but love each other really haha. Could not imagine life without them.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

You don’t expect to make any sense of this garbage, do you?

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Stay on here – whether we are feeling that way or helping others to stay with it, we are all together in spirit. i feel this way this morning, quite tearful and emotional. I’ll get my fight back later – just roll with it and take some support from all the lovely people on here. I hope it helps you as much as it does me.

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Minimise is a legal term meaning up to 25 hours a day.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Absolutely nothing. Who’s to tell, anyway, unless there’s something in their infernal “apps”; which wouldn’t surprise me.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

All day 🙂

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Don’t defer the dog walk, Dave, It’s restorative

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

i don’t think there was a defined time limit last time – it was ‘interpreted’ as such by useless prats on media/tv which spread the message of 1 hour or some such rubbish

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The dog weeing on the floor is coming next …

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

And that’s a best case scenario …

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

There is no time limit, so it’s however long it takes you to get your exercise “done”. There are no limits on how many times you exercise, so exercise as often as you like to “get it done”. In other words, keep doing what you want.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I didn’t minimise my exercise in any shape the first time around, even before the duplicitous arse-covering announcement that exercise was now ‘unlimited’ (it never was in law). In the first week I did a ‘shopping trip’ that was a 20-mile ride, then a 55-mile loop including a 5k run in the middle just to spite the ‘guidance’ I could only do one form. Another weekend I spent all down rolling down the coast and sat on Southsea Common eating sandwiches, police ignored me and I had a couple of nice chats with other folks also out. The only think about long trips is that there’s fewer places to get water for free – Salisbury had turned their fountains off out of spite to ‘discourage’ visitors (won’t be spending any money there in future) but luckily pubs often have a mains tap outside for watering plants.

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
5 years ago

I just gave the first thumbs up for this page!

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Boris has saved Christmas for us, such that when the 25th comes around we can all stay at home instead of taking a vacation, because the tourism industry and the airlines will be devastated. We will all reminisce fondly about Christmas dinners out in town with friends and family, events that will never happen again because the hospitality industry will be devastated. We will all do video chats with people we haven’t seen for 10 or more months, because social distancing reigns supreme.

I’m not sure how Boris and his 516 groveling lackeys have saved Christmas in any measurable manner. I just hope that, for some, Christmas won’t come too late.
https://parler.com/post/8298930107ca476ab5596e2da0c00445

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

That is disgusting, if I had any elderly relatives surviving in so called care homes, I would remove them also.

The family needs supporting, not arresting.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I found that video incredibly distressing. Even if that old lady were to pass away, is she not allowed, after 97 years of life, to at least pass surrounded by her family? Must she really die alone? I just hope that she will be reunited with her family.

How did that arrest benefit anyone? How can we find ourselves living in a country where the police takes action that only harms the people and nothing more? How can people be ok with this?

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

If she passes surrounded by family, what use would that be to the lockdown enthusiasts who love to tell tales of old people dying “alone, but for one overworked nurse holding their hand”?

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

JHB had the daughter on Talk Radio this morning, really heartbreaking interview.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

She belongs to the State now; all that nasty old personal autonomy nonsense has been swept away with the Great Reset.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The family will presumably be expected to continue paying for grandma’s enforced incarceration.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

How many police, sorry, Gestapo were sent to arrest this woman?

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The Daily Mail has the story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914373/Police-ARREST-qualified-nurse-trying-97-year-old-mother-care-home.html

Obvious which way the Best rated comments are going. But I’ve not seen 10,000 upvotes on the best rated comment before.

Care home wanted her back so not to lose the thousands of pounds a month to keep her there. Poor lady, and her family. X

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Every society has sadists – people who do not respond to basic humanity , people who are obsessed with rules, regardless of weather they make any sense. They believe any propaganda that the government feeds them and attack anyone with an open mind

These people wish to destroy the joy and even basic welfare of ordinary people in order to conform to dogma

80 years ago these beasts would have been shoving people into gas chambers

These authoritarian traits are not related to education or professional status, but something within personality.

Key question is what can we do about these monsters?

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I have cried watching this. I don’t cry easily or often. I simply can’t believe this can happen in this country.

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VickyA
VickyA
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Not feeling at all inclined to send Christmas greetings to anyone. Been looking for some pithy cards to send. Also how can we spread message in our cards in a direct way? I really find the ones I have seen so far make me want to scream. Any suggestions?

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  VickyA

Make your own ?

OO to the lockduwn.jpg
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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Good poster. Discovered from yesterday’s market research that posters and leaflets left lying around are effective ways to get through to people.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

That’s a great poster!

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Fairly sure it originated here (on LDS). 🙂

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The madness continues.
https://parler.com/post/7413865bed2f42329affd720565f63bc

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

If there isn’t a Deprivation of Liberty Ordet in place then the lady has every right to leave the home and stay wherr she chooses.

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Exiled off mainstreet
Exiled off mainstreet
5 years ago

The yankee election disaster is a big deal because it will make lockdowns and other medico-fascist policies permanent in the coming months. The result is more significant than that it robbed Trump, campaigning against strict policies, of a victory the voters had given him according to the separate provincial election system which is how the yankee system is arranged. The halt in counting and the massive changes in results overturning big leads reminds me of yankee tactics in “regime change” operations in South or Central American or other exercises of influence such as in Mexico where the presidential candidate they didn’t favour was leading in 2006 and a “computer glitch” changed the dynamic allowing the pro-yankee corruption candidate to triumph. In this instance, more votes have been cast in Wisconsin than were registered with Milwaukee casting many excess votes. The tricks they can use with postal voting include finding names of incompetents at care homes and forging their names, etc. In Michigan the ballots came in large vans in large numbers and turned a 7% victory margin into a two per cent deficit. In Wisconsin over a hundred thousand votes suddenly appeared to change the dynamic. This is important for… Read more »

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richmond
richmond
5 years ago
Reply to  Exiled off mainstreet

Trump hasn’t lost yet.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  Exiled off mainstreet

Exiled-

Trump is a fighter.

He is on record that he would only concede a FAIR election.

He drew a 57k rally to a town of 17k in Pennsylvania.

There are reports that up to 30% of attendees at his rallies were disaffected Dems.

The US election is not even close to being over.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago

The field of medicine, by adhering rigidly to SCIENTIFIC METHOD, mislaid its    subject matter and gave up its moral responsibility toward the real health  concerns of human beings.”  Neeta Mehta, PhD.* NOT ONLY IS THE ‘crisis’ a fraudulent means to impose a worldwide facist dictatorship but the trojan horse of choice -medical science- is itself devoid of moral foundation in its very conception. Hence the outcomes devoid of a grain of moral consideration or conscience . One value …a number representing a subcategory they call CASES within another category they call INFECTIOUS DISEASES has been all that was necessary to launch a WORLDWIDE facist dictatorship.  ONLY ONE VALUE out of a subcategory of a category The proof of the pudding is in the eating!. If I see another graph or table or even a number that represents a value(s) I’m going to scream .. its not about a viruses and values, so stop with the values that represent a virus that does not even EXIST. Medical science has been highjacked by the criminals and taken to a remote island where they are consuming our world while we are all asleep. They value cases of course they do, cases means money… Read more »

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

We just lost a battle in a war

We have not lost the war

Keep the faith

The policies of locking up the people and inflicting economic hardship on them are doomed

Ok, we are living under a regime that has outdone communist East Germany in its oppression of its people, but as one crumbled so will the other

Our cause is truth and justice

We will prevail

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Berlin wall went up in 1961 and wasn’t taken down until 1989.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

True, but it was taken down. Evil can be overcome. The tectonic stresses are building and when the walls of evil collapse, they collapse quickly. Keep the faith.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They has the benefit of access to Western media so knew protests were taking place elsewhere and regimes crumbling one by one.
We will not be so informed.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The internet is one of the main forces for controlling the population in this situation. The government needs it to gaslight people. If it goes down, we will not know what the latest rules are or the latest case count. The population is encouraged to self-police with it. It must continue to function.

We might actually be better off if it went down. Everyone would come out of their houses, eyes blinking in the daylight. Life would return to the real normal.

Even the Chinese cannot fully censor their version of the internet. We will be informed.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Our overlords don’t need to censor all of the internet, they only need to censor the first page of the Google search results.

Something only exists if Google says it does.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Many people are now using alternative search engines.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Yep I switched to duckduckgo

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

You still use Google? Wow. Add DuckDuckGo or StartPage to the search engines on your browser. Copy my previous sentence and then search with it. You will learn how to change your search engine. Google collects your search history and uses it in all sorts of nefarious ways. The two search engines I mentioned don’t.

Google is not the only game in town.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Know thine enemy. Google is the window on the world for the norms.

Depending on what I’m doing, I use one of four different browsers, three different search engines, and a VPN with endpoints in nine countries. All of my browsers are configured for automatic history and cookie clearance, and I have extension buttons for instant wipe that I use pretty much after reading each article.

And whatever I do, I assume my computer and the websites I use have already been compromised. This site, for example. I would be astonished GCHQ didn’t have real-time access to every comment and full access to the MySQL database that the site is stored on, and consequently know the identity of every user here.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Don’t worry, there won’t be enough electricity available to power tablets and computers because we’ll all be busy charging up our electric cars….

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Yes, and that’s much of my lifespan. I was 5 when it was put up. I lived my whole life (in America at that point) hearing how powerful the communists were and how we had to devote lots of resources to fighting them, yada yada yada. And then, in the end, the whole thing just collapsed. I may not live long enough to see the end of this, but that doesn’t mean that it is time to give up.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

When I lived in (west) Berlin, the Wall was still up. I was a frequent visitor to the East, ie Russian Sector, which had a feel to it; no buzz, brutalist structures, propaganda posters. Police very visible. Palpable fear of snitching. You knew you had to be very careful with what you said and did.
thankfully that will never happen here in free Britain – I thought.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Well said. Stick with it. Never surrender. Hearts up.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Got my Stay Sane badge on!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Agree. We are seeing more and more people wake up now all we need is for everyone to do the same.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Don’t even need everyone, just a critical mass.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

As somebody who was a child under Soviet communism I know what tyranny is like

We are witnessing it now in my adopted home. State broadcaster blaring out lies, economy in doldrums, dreary lines in the shops which have limited choice ( and priority access for party members – sorry NHS staff), neighbours snitching on each other. Arbitrary and cruel police enforcement and an external bogey man to frighten you.

Really saddened that my adopted Britain has sunk to this

But – All tyrannies eventually fall – keep looking for truth, keep testing facts, keep challenging lies

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Yep, the tests/cases/deaths statistics look very like ‘tractor production figures. 🙂

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

So glad to have your confirmation we are right to be concerned.

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EllGee
EllGee
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I’m not too depressed about it this morning. I was yesterday afternoon but already today a friend who hardly left her home during the first lockdown has rung and suggested a (discreet) getting together next week. My daughter, who has a total believing husband, has sent a message saying we’ll meet up on Sunday. Last time-to keep the peace at her house-we didn’t meet up for six weeks. Her husband is okay with it this time. My neighbour who isolated for 7 weeks in the Spring has already been out to discuss what a right load of rubbish it all is to do it now.
Appreciate it’s only small things but it’s all these little things together that’ll make a difference in the long run

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

Same around here too. Quite a few people out and about today. Very angry too.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

It’s not over. And try to avoid the anti-d’s.Dependency will give them enemies of Mankind aa weapons to use against you.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Just going small on dose for a couple of days like before.. they work very fast on me. I will ramp up the more natural stuff like glycine and inositol and magnesium and beta-alanine…

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Absolutely.
We are mankind. It’s a trust. Don’t betray it.

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago

Hi Judy ..they have shown themselves to be criminals within a MASSIVE criminal conspiracy thats whats happened

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

The full apparatus of a totalitarian state will now be brought down on the heads of the people

The dictator will need to use ever increasing levels of violence to suppress us

There are 100,000 police officers and over 60m of us

At the moment it works because they pick us off one by one

‘ We’ve spent a long time waiting but change is gonna come’

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Alexander Solzhenitysn – The Gulag Archipelago

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Stephanos
Stephanos
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I have that book on my shelves. I have read parts of it and it is a terrible book. I mean that in the sense that it terrified me, not that it was badly written; if anything I think it was understated. Solzhenitsyn hints at that in his introduction, where he apologises for not remembering all those who were murdered, enslaved or tortured. One of the amazing things that came out of ‘The World at War’ were pictures of the GERMANS being welcomed as they invaded Soviet Russia. Another thing, often forgotten, is the Katyn massacre where thousands of Poles were murdered. At the Nuremberg Trials the Soviets attempted to blame the Germans for that but could not.
But the key phrase there is ‘We didn’t love freedom enough’.
Do we?

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Even the police are rebelling. UK column mentioned the 70 police in NSW Australia who said they would not be enforcing vaccine mandates on the population. Toby had the link a couple of days ago. We need more police to join the movement, and the army as well. After all, they are just people with families like everybody else.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

No, it’s not over yet; there’s a huge legal battle coming in the USA.

The guys at UK Column News said this was going to happen; they even named the states in which it would happen. Worth a watch where they show their predictions, which have now come true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbJkNhuvdFA

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I saw Steve Bannon predicting and discussing this whole scenario – a close result and Trump seizing the narrative early on to Democrat governors delivering corrupt results – several days before the result while polls were still giving Biden a landslide victory.,

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago

Distress and fury must drive us to action not to dispair. What a shame that the guy who was kidnapped ended suddenly on dispair. That will merely ensure that everyone’s worst nightmares come to pass.

Yesterday we discussed the four basic responses of fight or flight, freeze or fawn.

We are not as individuals powerless in the way we respond. We have nowhere to run to but can choose between fawning compliance, or frozen despair and acceptance, or fighting this obscenity all day every day.

For the sake of all you hold dear, Lookdown Sceptics, choose fight.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Agree.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Paul Chandler, great essay, except the final two words. If you read this please get a grip and work out how to undermine the government while we still have a window of opportunity.

Here’s a task for you. Testing. In itself it’s dangerous. Research that and use your public profile to alert people and try to get the medical profession to speak out.

Not to mention that many need cancer tests but we don’t need tests for a flu type virus. There’s too little attention given to the evils of testing in itself.

Resist every step of the way!

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Rosie, all four of those are immediate responses to trauma. For those not familiar with the fawn response, I think this article describes a lot of the fawning response we see around us: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/addiction-and-recovery/202008/understanding-fight-flight-freeze-and-the-fawn-response All four responses come from the amygdala in the brain. As human beings, when we are presented with a traumatic situation, we experience what’s called “amygdata hijacking“. Responding with one of the four Fs, as they’re often called, means that we are responding from fear or anger, not from our prefrontal cortex, the rational part of the mind. This is why those of us with histories of trauma are often taught techniques to get past the amygdala hijacking (also called “emotional flashbacks” for those with a trauma history). On this board, we see suggestions to go walk the dog (outside in nature with an animal who is unaffected by the traumatic situation). Or get away from this forum, which in itself can be triggering because of the traumatic information we read. Or relax and do something else for a while. Whatever. The point is if you respond with one of the four Fs, you are responding from fear or anger. These are hard to sustain for… Read more »

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Hi, perhaps we can gain here by talking privately?
What I write also emerges from c-ptsd, an extreme case I might add, merely for context. But I’ve never had the kind of instruction that you have received and so we can perhaps have a constructive dialogue and work out the best way to present this information. The way I look at it has helped me tremendously, and others I’ve talked to informally. That the basic human/animal response is a great driving force we can harness, once modified by the upper brain. Rather than the amygdala being a problem, when it is richly connected up with the rest of the nervous system, it’s a part of the solution. Walking with dogs in this outlook is part of the connecting process, knitting together our animal and human nature/nervous systems and body.
Was it you and me who mentioned the vagus nerve together?
I’ve been trying to locate someone to discuss strategies for debrainwashing the population, and agree that the majority has been forced into PTSD.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

No, it wasn’t me who mentioned the vagus nerve, although I know why you talked about it. In my probably less than humble opinion, people do not recover from gaslighting and narcissistic abuse until they are ready, even in this case. That is up to the individual person. Some people even get stuck in the recovery phase and never truly escape, even though they think they did. I didn’t recover until I was in my 60s, so not long ago, after finally meeting someone who unintentionally showed me what I was doing to myself. Nothing that I did up to that point helped me long-term. I did not have formal “instruction”, as you put it. I started following Richard Grannon on YouTube in 2015. Eventually I took a couple of his courses and found my own way out. Mostly, it consisted of building proper mental boundaries, learning how to manage emotional flashbacks, and how to recognise when I am fawning. I think Richard’s most recent video, 2020: protect your mindset could be of use to those of us who are feeling stressed by our current situation. While I understand your desire to do so, I don’t feel responsible for “debrainwashing… Read more »

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Support groups are needed when taking on local hitlers. Neighbours, young and old, here in the countryside dismiss us as imbeciles and even those who once upon a time gave the impression of being very good friends do not respond to emails laying out the dangers of mask wearing.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Indeed, and we need to find them quickly for our own sakes.
Yesterday I went out and about, helped by my leaflet, and came across two sets of people.
One group of three I found because they were unmuzzled and I gave the a friendly greeting, we all paused and looked at one another, “Are you in ” … some group I’d not heard of. So hugs all around which set me up again.

Later I went along the river saying Would you like my leaflet? And getting no mostly, when a guy suddenly saw what it was about. We talked for two hours and will be attending the Cenotaph on Sunday with his friends.

There’s an effort going on to network up small local groups together. The small group are in one WhatsApp group, and the person who set up that group is in another regional group. That’s the plan even though ‘our type’ of people tend not to like social media, this format really is a good one for easy going chat, encouragement and support.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I think I saw you yesterday on the Southbank close to the Anchor pub. I was sitting on the next bench along ( tall, glasses ,pinstripe suit, burgundy army greatcoat). Wanted to say hello but you were in deep conversation. Glad you had a good day out. I’m trying to spread the word at my workplace and I’m already know as the ”sceptic”. Keep up the good work.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Hi Yes, that will have been me. I was deep in conversation. Sorry I missed you. Another time don’t be shy, just come and say hello.

I’m not accustomed to keeping an eye on who else is around, but I suppose that is something else we must learn quickly. Visited Albania in ? 1988, within months of it opening up to foreigners. Managed to have several brief conversations with locals, their eyes were everywhere watching out for who could be overhearing. Been watching us go the same way….at my allotment holding conversation behind the hand, even three years ago.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Freezing and fawning are physically bad for us too – the adrenaline (and other hormones) flooding our systems need to be used or they turn nasty. Action – leafletting, marching, walking the dog, gardening, sawing logs, etc. – uses up the substances our bodies create.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Too right. Those stress hormones need to be burned up via action.

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago

Re. masks being worn in schools.

In Scotland, the government’s guidance is for all S4-S6 pupils to wear a mask at all times. That means in the corridors, which was already the “rule”, but now also while in the classroom.

I asked my daughter, 16, if she’d be wearing one. She replied, “no chance”. But, of course, she’s caved and she now does. She said the school’s headteacher tours the classrooms to enforce this.

My daughter had her masked pulled down below her nose. The headteacher entered her classroom, spotted this, and demanded she cover her nose.

The headteacher’s analogy to support this demand is that it’s like a man walking around with his penis poking out of his trousers. Let that sink in.

A man walking around with his cock out is committing an act of public indecent exposure.

This is equated with a 16 year old girl having her nose – which is part of her fucking face – visible above a mask. The noses of 16 year old kids are publicly indecent.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

No words.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  ColoradoGirl

This is for Mabel Cow…

Don’t forget to remind the head about his personal duty of care under the Common Law and serve him with some articles setting out the health dangers of masks. Send by email and recorded delivery so he can’t deny he got it.

It’s the Common Law that puts them under notice that they can’t hide behind the Just following the government guidelines excuse. These people need to be helped to wake up.

Margareta Griesz-Brisson is devastating on the brain damage from masks. Then continue to push for your child to attend, to up the pressure on him.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

The trouble with the duty-of-care approach is that if the headmaster truly believes that masks work, and truly believes that SARS-CoV-2 is a deadly agent, then he would likely use the duty-of-care argument as a reason to enforce muzzling, rather than accept it as a reason to do otherwise. He would probably argue that infection by the muzzle was the lesser of two evils.

And even if he is not a true believer, he has the fig leaf of government recommendation to cover his ass. I did think about suggesting that he ask one of his history teachers to explain Nuremberg Principle IV to him, but frankly I’m done talking to him.

I’ve given the calf control of the education budget and I’ve told her to decide for herself where she wants to spend it. If she thinks that education by YouTube is the best way forward for her, so be it. To be honest, I’m just happy that I don’t have to get up to drive her to school any more.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

If you are planning a school visit then, as a teacher, you will need to complete a several page risk assessment. The mere fact that no such risk assessment has been done will count against the head in any future legal action. My view: usual disclaimers apply.

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

If we ever win this thing, that headteacher should be sacked, prosecuted and never allowed near a child again. Should be put on a register.

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Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

That is straight up mental abuse. This headteacher needs to be taken to court. I moved my 17-year old to Ireland to homeschool with me because there was a mask mandate at his school in New York. We are lucky that I am able to work from home and can do this logistically, but what about the many who are not in a position to do this?

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Nicky
Nicky
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

Also agree. This is a potential safeguarding issue. I used to work in children’s (and vulnerable adults) services. This should be reported to the local safeguarding team for investigation. Wholly inappropriate.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

The on,ply obscene element in this story is the head teacher.

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John Smith
John Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

You should remove her from school.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

Page 7 of https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf
Statement at the bottom of the page is very revealing – attached image is taken from link.

Masks 1919.JPG
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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

My calf’s school imposed mandatory muzzling this week. We claimed exemption on the grounds of mental distress, but the headmaster said he didn’t believe us and that he would not permit calf to attend school without a mask. Additionally, despite me asking on three occasions for a written statement of the school’s position on face covering exemption, I have received no such statement. Each time the headmaster simply ignored the request, instead preferring to demand that we send medical evidence as grounds for an exemption. Naturally, I have provided him with chapter and verse on the law and the government’s own position on exemptions (i.e. that exemptions should be respected) and that medical evidence is not required, but his response has continued to be that because it is an independent (fee-paying) school, he has the sole right to determine which rules apply, without reference to the Department for Education. Personally I was ready to pull the plug then and there, but calf has just started GCSEs and she is worried that she’ll be left behind if we switch to home schooling. Fortunately, the headmaster took the golden bridge I offered him and agreed to allow calf to work remotely until… Read more »

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T T
T T
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Sorry to hear about that revolting kind of abuse of power. That said, I’m not surprised: I was glad to read on these pages about how exemptions were at least being respected in the UK until now, as we here in Belgium (as in France) can only dream the same would apply for us. They don’t give a toss about possible reasons to not wear a mask here and won’t allow you to claim exemptions on any ground. I still haven’t heard of anyone who asked for a medical certificate from a GP to be declared exempt, don’t know if that is even still theoretically possible, but in any case good luck obtaining one. Even for asthmatics, the general trend is that it “isn’t that bad” to wear the horrid thing all day long.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

And there are still people who believe the evil of the Nazis could “never have happened here”

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peter
peter
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

That head teacher really needs their head kicked in. It’s the only way to re-educate these neo-bolsheviks.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  peter

Agreed…

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  peter

That head teacher really needs their head kicked in.

That’s the phrase I was looking for ! 🙂

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richmond
richmond
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

Dr Margareta Griesz-Brisson. Bitchute.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

Mark-

I have seen the same equivalence drawn with political cartoons and shaming posters in my part of the US.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

News from just one state that Trump is likely to win, despite Fox calling it for Biden. Even the awful Maddow Creature realises that this is a possibility. https://rumble.com/vaxwtb-rachel-maddows-reaction-to-realizing-trump-could-win-arizona-is-classic-oh-.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Not relevant to our immediate situation. Please stick to the issue at hand: lockdowns in the UK.

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

If it so simple to find ”votes’ in a process as scrutinized as an election, just think how easy it must be to find ‘cases’.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Good answer. Thank you.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

I think it’s very relevant. Just scroll past, CB.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I’ve been doing that a lot. As an American, I do struggle when people catastrophise about presidential elections. The first time I heard the world was going to end was when Ronald Reagan was elected. It didn’t then, it won’t now.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago

Dementia Davos Biden got more votes than Obama.. in fact he got the most votes of any democratic candidate ever.

Definitely nothing fishy.

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Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I am not a Trump supporter – I haven’t voted for either of the big parties for several election cycles, but I will say that UN election observers would have multiple grounds to invalidate US elections. I am a US citizen living in Ireland. I registered for an absentee vote. I was sent a link to download my absentee ballot, print it off and post it to my county election board. I did this in August. In the middle of September, I then received a paper ballot sent to me in Ireland. This happened with my son who also lives in Ireland and another son who lives Canada. I contacted my county election board, who informed me that they wanted to make sure my vote was counted, hence the mailed ballot and the downloadable ballot. If I had sent in the additional mailed ballot, would it also have been counted? What kind of auditing procedures exist in NY? (FYI I had recently changed my registration from Non-affiliated to Democrat so that I could vote in the NY primary. I changed it back to non-affiliated after I registered for an absentee ballot.) I didn’t bother to ask as it was an… Read more »

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

Wasn’t NY where Tammany Hall was located ? 🙂 Vote often, Emily.

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Adamb
Adamb
5 years ago

The questions from Francis Hoar hit the nail absolutely on the head and should be pressed repeatedly until they are properly addressed by the relevant people.

I’m feeling less pessimistic now. The grounds for lockdown this time are so obviously flaky and the dissent sufficiently vocal that I think this will be the last throw of the dice. I expect rules to be widely flouted this time around as well.

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I wish I could share your reduction of pessimism. I was glad to see Theresa May abstained rather than voted for, but given what she said, she should have voted against. And she has refused my request to meet with me as “surgeries are currently on hold”.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Abstention is dereliction of duty. Vote, or lose your seat. What the hell else are they being paid for?

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James007
James007
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Agreed. Her speech was good, and given that she is never returning to front line politics – what did she have to loose?

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dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Her speech and subsequent abstention was pure venomous cake- and- eat- it politicking – get a personal & public dig in at johnson and still not displease her NWO paymasters – vile scum

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago

Did nobody make a Gunpowder plot reference in the debate?

Not one?

Is that another part of our heritage that has disappeared.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Unfortunately the gunpowder plot involved the establishment i.e. it was a false flag. The king had men lead Guy Fawkes into the plot… a kind of Hitler buring the Reichstag to blame the Russians or Nero setting fire to Rome to blame the christians.. in order that the protestant king could point the finger at the catholics. History is written by the victors. Sometimes it gets rewritten and school history books then reveal the actual truth. Some lies have an obvious time limit… if 100 years later we still haven’t gone back to the moon, that too may be rewritten to reflect the truth. Beheadings anyone?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

This is complete bunk. The Gunpowder Plot was a Catholic plot. It was organised by Robert Catesby. The evidence for its authenticity is beyond doubt.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Nope. History books clearly talk of the possibility that Guy Fawkes was set up by protestants close to the king. Have you read a history book recently? Moron.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Have happily set off some air bombs this morning, LG.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

AT LEAST YOUR NOT IN SCOTLAND!

Scotland the brave we are not.

This has to be fought. This is Orwellian as it comes and it won’t stop here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54812972

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GorbalsGirl
GorbalsGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

What else could we reasonably expect from a kranky party that claims that men in dresses become women at their say-so or that private dinner-table conversations should be surveilled by the state? As long as the English taxpayer foots the bill for her decadent war on the Scottish economy, Wee Nippy will do as she pleases. And it pleases her greatly to play Dear Leader to her gang of woke Saltire cultists, clomping around in her tartan heels with her Hitler hairdo, pretending to be someone that matters.

Naw, hen. You lead a glorified cooncil and talk nothing but pish, and anybody with a brain in Scotland stopped listening to you when you tried to fit up Alex Salmond on false sex pest charges that should see YOU being jailed for corruption in high office and perjury, you evil scheming hag.

I couldn’t care less what Krankie’s daft laws say. I will go where I please because the UK is a free country and I will not be terrorised by an auld witch like her who should soon be in the jail herself.

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Kf99
Kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  GorbalsGirl

She was (ludicrously) asked what she thinks of the US election at the coronavirus press conference. Came up with some guff, ironically, about respecting the vote. A better question would be: some southern states voted 60/40 for Trump – are they being taken out of a Trump presidency “against their will”.

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GorbalsGirl
GorbalsGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Kf99

Good point. Seems the auld bag is all for Scottish separatism but not for respecting the democratic wishes of the Southern states to be governed as they so choose!

It also seems odd that she thinks voting for her party of malcontents, madheads and malingerers should be a ‘democratic mandate’ for Scottish independence – but that simultaneously governments should be able to impose dictats mandate-free on the electorate and ignore UK citizens’ democratic rights whenever they wish!

She’s a mad auld boot.

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago

Guess what (you’ll never get this one….)?

Which common cold virus is just as deadly as influenza to the elderly and infirm but less so to youngsters?

No idea? Okay….

‘No deaths were recorded in children; 5.8% of adults with HCoV (common human coronaviruses) monoinfection died, compared with 4.2% of those with influenza monoinfection (P = .23). The risk of pneumonia was nonsignificantly lower in children with HCoV than in those with influenza, but these risks were similarly high in adults.’

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa477/5882014

A bolt from the blue…….or not really…….?

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paologrigio
paologrigio
5 years ago

Theresa May rightly pointing out no data on the lockdown, but Huw Merriman asking Johnson how he can be sure more lives are being saved by lockdown than it’s costing is the crux. As Johnson stated. But then didn’t give any evidence to say how the government has taken steps to ensure they’ve made their best attempt at getting the balance right. Then all bar the few rebels, they all vote along party lines. To protect the party. This transcends politics though. This is about us as human beings. When will these politicians appreciate they are humans first & politicians second? (Don’t say it!)

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  paologrigio

Humans? Certainly not. Politicians? Well, servile ones, certainly.

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Kf99
Kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  paologrigio

Hugh Merriman was very good. Never heard of him before.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Kf99

Some friends, who live in is constituency, put a lot of effort into ensuring he was properly informed on matters of statistics, the economy, public heath, and civil liberties. Great people.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I’ve tried to do that with my MP. Stony ground!

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago

Question: if someone who is dying of a particular disease (let’s say a respiratory disease) catches Covid in hospital and dies within 28 days of the test (which they were doing anyway), are they counted as a Covid death? Is it possible to know how many of the current deaths fall into this category?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

From what I gather, yes, certainly it will be, and no, it isn’t, because they lie.

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dpj
dpj
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

As each day goes by I am suspecting that the majority are in this category. All the stats seem to be indicating that deaths from all causes is at a similar level to previous years (and has been since June) so it is entirely conceivable that there is just a rebranding exercise going on and in general everything is normal.

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peter
peter
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

We’ve been saying that about the covid hoax since April

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Yes , there may be 600 “Covid” deaths in a day . Of those perhaps 200 will be false positives or be asymptomatic, in other words nothing much to do with Covid. Perhaps another 200 will be respiratory disease but with plenty of other pathogens involved eg flu virus. Perhaps 200 will be principally Covid but a substantial number will have first fallen ill a month or more ago, so nothing to do with any recent rise in cases. ,

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Many deaths have multiple causes listed, when my mum died there were 3 causes listed on the Death Certificate. The ONS then has to work out how to record these multiple causes. With most of these reports of Covid deaths they are reports of registered deaths where Covid was included on the Death Certificate even though the death certificate may well have also listed Stroke or Alzheimer’s or Heart disease.
Years ago many deaths certificates included Bronchitis or Pneumonia as one of the death causes these now seem to have been replaced by Covid.

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

There are two different ways of counting deaths in use. PHE count number of deaths in hospital from any cause where there has been a positive test result in the past 28 days. ONS count number of deaths anywhere for which Covid has been named as a cause on the death certificate.

In principle a death certificate should not name Covid as a cause unless the doctor signing it has good reason to believe that it was indeed the case. The PHE figures are essentially administrative. Hospitals want to keep track of patients with Covid in order to keep them separate from patients without Covid, so they tend to have good numbers for that, so they can keep track of beds. That’s not the same as counting patients being treated for Covid, of course.

The government tends to quote the PHE numbers, possibly because they are easier to get hold of and so more up to date. Or possibly for other reasons.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

They are even counting in hospice deaths.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

In the US the official CDC blanket policy is to count, “deaths with Covid,” as, “deaths from Covid.”

Oddly enough, normal seasonal US flu deaths have completely vanished.

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paologrigio
paologrigio
5 years ago

Why is this currently showing as -2 thumbs up? Anyway, like the Norman Cook reference.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  paologrigio

Because of saying “such and such is behind all this”.

I was thinking about the Chinese government again this morning. If you wanted to, you could make a case for our plight being the result of their actions. Having observed the psychology of nations in the West, they recognised that there are many schisms in the population and also a tendency to hysteria and germ-phobia.

They found a respiratory virus. Since they control the Chinese media, they told their population that it is extremely dangerous. Film people dropping dead from the virus on the street. Film the government boarding up some of the population in their homes. Institute lockdowns. Sit back and watch how the West reacts. Wait a while, remove restrictions on the population since you know this isn’t really that serious. Watch the rest of the world tear itself to pieces. If anything, this worked better than expected.

This is the scenario that often plays out in my mind when I see people talking about The Great Reset. In other words, we do not know and ultimately, it does not matter. We need to deal with the issue at hand.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

I believe your scenario. I know the videos of the people falling in the street in China were faked. How? Because we never saw the same here or anywhere else. But… our government now knows that too and has done since April or so or earlier.. they siezed on this virus to do the Great Reset. The Great Reset was always in the pipeline.Hancock is on the uk.gov website talking about it in 2017.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

That’s fine. It is not my business to tell you what to think.

However, I find that “not knowing” is a stronger position to act from. The human mind is designed to catastrophise, to find a negative focus and cling to it. That is just how we’re wired. To see these possibilities, like the Chinese one I described above, as possibilities, and then move back to a position of not knowing the ultimate forces in play, if indeed there are any at all. That is what allows me to hold on to my sanity, to return to calm determination.

Your mileage may vary.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Funny how many people simply look at my musings about China and feel the need to run with them. THIS is the answer, this is the reason we’re all in this mess. I repeat for the last time, since I’m growing tired of it, that we do not and it does not matter. There are more important fish to fry.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I realized the drop-dead videos were fake when the hazmat suit guys and ambulances appeared instantly.

There is no way they would know that specific, random person would die at that specific time so they could respond immediately.

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Graham
Graham
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

This thread is a good summary of how how this has happened. We are well on our way to becoming a slave state to China, along with the rest of the world. The massive new borrowing to pay for Lockdown2 guarantees are savings and assets will be worthless in a few weeks or months. Then we will have no choice but to acquiesce to the NWO, relinquishing whatever rights we have left to survive.

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Graham
Graham
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324079045072556034.html

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

Again, I outlined a scenario. I said “If you wanted to, you could make a case for our plight being the result of their actions.”

If you wanted to. I hold that scenario as one of many possibilities, including the one that says that humans are chaotic, emotional creatures capable of being swayed because of their biological heritage.

I repeat again that I find it more emotionally stabilising to keep returning to the “not knowing” position, rather than catastrophising.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

We come from polar opposite political positions and assumptions, but on this we share a broad approach, I think.

My response to the kind of possible China scenario you describe, I have set out here before now – that if the Chinese really are that competent and we so grossly unfit for self-rule, then it would save time and suffering just to hand them global control and get it over with now.

There are unlikely to be such tidy explanatory scenarios for any issue of this kind of scope or complexity, any more than simplistic “big oil dun it” explanations for the Iraq war were sufficient. But that doesn’t mean that the Chinese aren’t actively seeking to displace the US as the globally dominant power, or that there aren’t all kinds of interest groups conspiring to push us in particular directions and exploiting whatever opportunities arise.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

If your scenario is right and it could be, then the west has only itself to blame. It didn’t have to be suckered by the Chinese/WHO/Bill Gates and many of us were highly suspicious of this well telegraphed Covid event from day one. In many ways our governments truly deserve the chaos that has now spread across.the western world, as it was they who started the vicious hybrid war against China in the first place. The western peoples are not free of blame either, as they have allowed themselves to be governed by evil and often very stupid people for the last forty years or more. We all know what the answer is.

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Jane in France
Jane in France
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

I think you might be onto something. Interestingly, our own health minister, Olivier Véran, who would give Matt Hancock a run for his money any day, was a “Young Leader ” in 2019 of the France-China foundation, modelled on the French-American Foundation, which exists to spread Chinese “soft power” in France. Little Olivier thew a teenage tantrum in parliament the other day because the deputies would only grant him an extension of the confinement to the middle of December and not the middle of February which was what he wanted. Edouard Philippe, who was Prime Minister when the first confinement began, was also a Young Leader in 2013 and let his hair down a bit too much during a trip to China in 2014 (as reported by the very mainstream newspaper Le Monde). I shudder to think what the Chinese have on our former Prime Minister, but no doubt he doesn’t want it to get out. Whatever these former Young Leaders of the France-China Foundation are working for, it certainly isn’t for the good of France.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

I have arrived at almost the exact same conclusions through my own observation of the available evidence.

The CCP knew this was a low-rise, high-reward exercise. If it doesn’t work, just blow it off as excess caution and wait a few years to try again.

If it does work – which it has – pure profit!

I also believe the US Democratic party has significant ties to the CCP.

Last edited 5 years ago by awildgoose
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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

And so it seems does Boris Johnson. The link between Johnson and the CCP is Bill Gates.

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Nicky
Nicky
5 years ago

I did write to our local MP. Did not get a response and see his name is not in the ‘roll of honour’. I will not be voting for him or his party again, as I said in the email. Time to look at the new emerging parties a lot more closely. Shame on the politicians.

Last edited 5 years ago by Nicky
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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Same

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

https://www.sdp.org.uk & https://www.saveourrights.uk

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Rene F
Rene F
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Reform UK too when they get started.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Ditto. My MP is as useful as a chocolate teapot. At least when I wrote to both Sir Desmond Sway & Richard Drax, I got replies – a short one from the former and an acknowledgement via a minion from the latter.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I am convinced the only way of this is through the Reform Party.

Yesterday was the most dispiriting day so far.

We have a rogue government, yet the Queen, the Armed Forces and the Police stand by and do nothing.

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Kathryn
Kathryn
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Same here, and I will be writing to tell her so

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Time to look at the new emerging parties a lot more closely.

Indeed

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I like the look of Reclaim.

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dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

same here

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Well, we already know whose fault it will be when this round of arbitrary incarceration fails to ‘work’:

Boris, as reported in the DM:

“Boris Johnson has stressed in recent days that compliance with the Government’s Covid-19 rules will determine the effectiveness of the national shutdown.”

Better look out that yellow star and book your place in the cattle truck.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

He is showing signs of the zeal of the convert to the Rockefeller Great Reset. From someone who ‘hated big government’ to the weak minded convert

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

His Father worked for Rockerfeller and his teenage grilfriend works for Rockerfeller Oceana.org. He was always the wolf in clown’s clothing.

Last edited 5 years ago by chaos
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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

If we created yellow star lanyards en masse.. imagine the embarrassment for government..

More people should force their way into care homes.. more people should walk around hospitals and supermarkets and on trains and buses without masks. Have birthday parties for your kids.. have friends round.. have a party. Let’s embarrass the tory party to such an extent it is destroyed forever…

Look.. I’m educated.. but I have on occassion gone off the rails.. getting arrested is somewhat brutal (depending on how much resistance you offer).. but it is survivable. Offer no resistance and there will likely be no conviction. Never accept a caution (it’s a sneaky way of getting a conviction that appears on your DBS) and the CPS will drop the case. Be brave. Video events for as long as you can. We can embarrass the government by going public with the video in the press or on social media of being arrested for having a kid’s party, playing football in the park.. or for busting granny out of the care home..

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Just to add as a former police officer – ‘no comment’ in an interview is your best friend, and as you say never accept a caution. Be friendly and compliant enough but mouth shut is always the best option – amazing how many convictions are made solely on self incrimination, it’s precisely why a traffic officer will ask what speed you were doing when you get pulled over 🙂

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Scouse Sceptic

An officer was threatening to arrest me for not social distancing and I kept asking him to move further away from me. I didn’t get arrested but the guy standing next to me did. Not sure what he was saying.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Last time I looked, SD was not law. The police have even said they can’t enforce it. Has something changed?

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DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Behave or Christmas gets cancelled.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Didn’t Witless say to Committe that the level of compliance on the part of the public was ex eptionally high. What he said is a Euphamism for ‘know ur place don’t question anything don’t protest or we’ll rain another more draconian shitshow on you.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

As well as ‘the people are sovereign’, now being ignored, ‘first do no harm’, flouted, by the medical profession who have sat back while ill people were unable to get an appointment/or at best a remote appointment, now when the doctors voice their faux concern about this, as they are now, the obvious answer is that they must have known what would happen.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago

Desmond Swayne’s latest blog post: Democracy?

https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/ds-blog/democracy/

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

‘I am informed by my critics that I have failed to appreciate that the preservation of life itself is more important than liberty: ‘life at all costs’. Are they devastated when they die of something else because they are elderly and have serious underlying conditions, wailing we tried to protect you from Covid and you die

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William Gruff
William Gruff
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

That’s because it is infinitely better to exist in a smothering cloud of totalitarian ‘safety’ as a mindless drone than to live with risk as a free man, accepting that death is inevitable and, for most of us, is unlikely to be pleasant.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

The last sentence points to our difficulty.

“Of course, disproportionately they come from a generation that made many sacrifices to defend liberty.”

The murder of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy marked the critical point that ended the gradual liberation of mankind from the chains of servitude.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Brilliant.

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sceptickat
sceptickat
5 years ago

A friend sent me this on facebook. Does anyone know if it is genuine? It looks like the gov.uk font and style etc, but I haven’t been able to find it online. If it’s true it’s alarming.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  sceptickat

it is a valid way of bulk testing with fewer tests. if you want to test 20 people. you swab all of them and then send them for analysis in groups of 5. Each group is analysed. If a group shows negative then you know all 5 are clear. If a group shows positive you test the individual members again to identify which members are positive. So if one person in 20 is positive you have identified which one with a reduced effort . i.e. 9 tests , not 20. And it is the analysis, not the swabbing, that is the bottleneck.

see here for more detail

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Similar to bowel cancer screening test. However, do you anticipate they will separate out the positive individual/s or will the whole bulk sample to classed as positive?

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

It’s similar to a binary search.

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sceptickat
sceptickat
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Thanks for clarifying!

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago

I just sent a message of support to Desmond Swayne, one of the few to vote against it.

I ended my message with

In increasing numbers, people on the right and the left are coming together to fight this however we can. The same holds for religious belief, and indeed nation of birth. We have a common goal that is more important than anything that divides us: to secure freedom from tyranny.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

Coming soon, the newspaper headline
ONE MILLION JOB LOSES SINCE LOCKDOWN.
Coming never, the newspaper headline
4,000 DIE FROM CV-19 IN A DAY

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

ONE MILLION and DOUBLING every THREE DAYS.

In 24 days, 256 MILLION of us will be out of work.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago

This surely must end with Johnson and Hancock being removed from their offices by the conservative party people are getting angrier by this inept Government’s catastrophic running of the Country https://www.sdp.org.uk https://www.saveourrights.uk

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