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by Toby Young
9 November 2020 4:09 AM

Whistleblower: 37% of NHS Staff Are Absent “Due to COVID-19” In Yorkshire and North-East

An NHS whistleblower has leaked a slide deck dated November 2nd. In the words of the leaker, it’s a “pretty standard high level (NHS England) briefing, looking at operational areas and the general picture”. It’s full of interesting data that I’ll be working through over the next couple of days, but the thing which jumped out after a brief perusal was the figure for “regional Covid-related staff absences” in Yorkshire and the North-East – a whopping 37%! As the whistleblower says, “This has to be due to false positives, no way can over 1/3 of staff all have Covid.” (The figure is even higher in the Midlands – 40%.)

This confirms my analysis, published last Wednesday, of why the ‘Quad’ took the decision to place England under a second lockdown, in spite of knowing that Covid hospital admissions were unlikely to exceed those during the peak of the first wave, when no NHS trust anywhere in the country was overwhelmed. As I said then, they were just worried about certain hotspots – specifically, those in cities in Yorkshire and the North-East. And the reason for their anxiety was because NHS England’s critical care capacity in those areas is now lower than it was in March/April. Why? Because hospital trusts have been ordered to admit non-Covid patients (unlike during the first wave) and because intensive care units are under-staffed.

Another difficulty is that there are fewer specialist intensive care nurses than there were in March/April, partly because some of them have asked to be reassigned to other departments after the stress of the first wave and partly because hospitals are obsessively testing all their staff using the unreliable PCR kit because they’re terrified of “healthcare-associated infections” (nosocomial transmission of the virus). The upshot is there are fewer intensive care nurses and some of those that are still around have been sent home and told to self-isolate for 10 days. Another issue is that those with young children who’ve been sent home from school and told to self-isolate – because a child in their bubble has tested positive – are having to stay at home to care for their kids. And yet another issue is that some schools and NHS trusts are telling nurses to self-isolate for 14 days if one of their children has been identified as a “contact” of an infected person, even though that’s not something NHS Test and Trace are insisting upon.

If 37% of staff in Yorkshire and the North-East were absent for Covid-related reasons on November 2nd, that was clearly what was fuelling anxiety, not the ‘second wave’ baloney that Witless and Unbalanced obediently trotted out. (A reader made the same point: the NHS has a manpower problem.)

And yesterday brought further confirmation that staff absence is the issue, not a fear of rising hospital admissions, with the news that NHS England has relaxed the one-to-one rule, saying nurses can now look after two patients at the same time. Here’s the tell-tale paragraph in the Telegraph:

Northern Lincolnshire and Goole Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, which runs hospitals across Grimsby and Scunthorpe, said it was struggling with staff shortages after dozens of nurses and doctors were ordered to self-isolate.

So there you have it. The reason we’ve gone into lockdown is because of staff shortages within some NHS trusts thanks, in part, to the false positive rate of the PCR test and the over-zealous enforcement of quarantining for those who’ve come into contact with “positive” cases.

Stop Press: On the Spectator‘s Coffee House Shots podcast on Saturday it was disclosed that that the NHS asked the Government for extra resources over the summer to build capacity for the so-called second wave. Apparently, it refused on the grounds that its “world beating” Test and Trace system would ensure that extra capacity wouldn’t be needed.

Top Doctor Says NHS In Contempt of Parliament

Separated at birth: the Health Secretary and Oberleutnant Hubert Gruber in ‘Allo ‘Allo!

What follows is a guest post from my doctor friend who has cast his eye over the latest weekly data released by NHS England. He believes the NHS was wrong to withhold crucial data from MPs ahead of the vote on Lockdown 2.0, creating the impression that the service was on the brink of being overwhelmed when Sir Simon Stephens and others knew perfectly well that it wasn’t.

On November 4th, the British Parliament voted to enforce a lockdown of the population in order to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed with COVID-19 admissions.

In support of the Government, Professor Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance provided graphs of dubious provenance suggesting catastrophic consequences if lockdown was not re-introduced. These projections subsequently turned out to be grossly inaccurate.

Sir Simon Stevens, the head of the NHS in England then presented figures suggesting that the NHS was in imminent danger of collapse from Covid pressures in the coming weeks. He stated that the number of Covid patients in some hospitals was greater than the number in the spring and that in total there were enough Covid patients in England to fill 22 hospitals.

Conservative MPs complained that the information they had been provided with was insufficiently detailed to allow them to make an informed decision on the matter. The motion was duly carried.

On November 5th, the NHS released weekly Covid statistics in respect of inpatients and patients in mechanical ventilation beds (only 30% of patients in these beds are actually being mechanically ventilated).

Analysis of these figures throws up some interesting findings.

Firstly, the 850 bed Liverpool University Hospital – regarded as the epicentre of the outbreak in the North West of England.

Here is a graph of Covid patients in Liverpool.

As you can see from this graph, the total number of Covid patients has been flat or declining for the last 10 days. The proportion of patients in ICU as a percentage of the total has also declined from about 17% at the start of October to 5% currently. This could mean that Liverpool has a low threshold for admitting patients from the community with Covid symptoms. Or that a substantial proportion of the ‘Covid’ inpatients in Liverpool may have positive covid tests but no symptoms of the disease.

Either way, the number of Covid patients in the ICU at Liverpool’s main hospital has fallen from 29 on Oct 22nd to 19 on November 3rd. This does not look like a hospital in imminent danger of collapse.

Comparing the Liverpool figures to the wider England figures shows a similar pattern – there is a clear measurement artefact on September 11th, but the percentage of Covid hospital patients admitted to ICU has fallen from 15% in the spring to 7% now, and the proportion of patients needing mechanical ventilation has fallen from 70% to under 30% (ICNARC reports). This may mean either that the severity of the disease is lower than in the spring, or the number of Covid patients in hospitals is being over-estimated by including asymptomatics. Whichever way one looks at it, the burden on the healthcare system is a lot lower than in the spring.

Graph 3 is a graph of the daily Covid admissions in hospitals across England expressed as a three day moving average. Seems to have flatlined for the last week. Unfortunately, Sir Simon forgot to inform the public with respect to the daily discharge figures of Covid patients, so I can’t provide a graph of how discharges compare with admissions. Anecdotally I am informed that most patients spend three to four days in hospital and are then discharged, so in many hospitals the influx of symptomatic Covid patients is balanced by discharges.

The balance between Covid admissions and discharges has troubled me for some time. Looking at the granular level data released in relation to admissions from the community and diagnoses in hospital seven days after admission, it appears that there is a very significant percentage of in-hospital infection with Covid. The NHS will not voluntarily release information about the number of patients who go into hospital without Covid but contract it having been admitted for another medical matter. The Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has already identified this problem and the Daily Mail has submitted Freedom of Information requests to force individual NHS Trusts to divulge this information from the spring wave of COVID-19.

The way information is released by the NHS is difficult to interpret. Graph 4 is derived from calculating the number of patients with a positive Covid test within the last 24 hrs and subtracting from that the number of patients with a positive Covid test within seven days of admission. The difference between those two figures is probably the number of patients who tested positive for Covid from a test conducted while in hospital. It is possible that this graph may overestimate the number of in-hospital infections, but the NHS does (or should) know this figure accurately – if they don’t release the information, they can’t complain when third parties try to make reasonable estimates from the data that they do provide. By my rough calculation this appears to be running at close to 20% across English NHS hospitals. Something else Sir Simon forgot to mention.

It is disturbing that the Daily Mail has had to resort to statutory instruments such as FOI requests to extract information on hospital-acquired infections that should be publicly available. In relation to a number of highlighted cases of deaths, hospital spokespeople were quick to make the assertion that “a death with Covid does not necessarily mean a death because of Covid”. That’s a true statement, but it appears that the NHS counts all patients carrying Covid as positive cases when it suits them, and excludes the same patients from the numbers when it doesn’t.

The comment from Dr David Nicoll, a leading neurologist from Birmingham, that the NHS “acts like North Korea by obfuscating figures” is in my experience entirely accurate. Some weeks ago I wrote an article advising readers of Lockdown Sceptics to be on the look-out for NHS revision of statistics by altering counting methods, burying embarrassing information in the middle of dense spreadsheets and concealing bad news. I think the issue of hospital acquired infection is a good example.

The data released on November 5th do not support the assertion of a health service close to collapse. Further, this information was clearly available before the vote on November 4th and should have been given to MPs before the division. Data from the ONS death statistics up to October 16th suggest that there has been a slight increase in the number of deaths compared to the five-year average for this time of year. However, the deaths in hospital from all respiratory causes including COVID-19 are lower than expected for this time of year – the excess deaths are occurring in people’s homes, not hospitals. It’s extremely unlikely these excess deaths are due to COVID-19 and much more likely they are due to heart disease.

Taken together, I find this situation troubling.

Professors Whitty and Vallance present information to the public, now accepted as grossly flawed and exaggerated, in support of a Government motion to severely restrict civil liberties.

The head of the NHS presents a one-sided, unchallenged narrative of imminent healthcare collapse, without mentioning that admissions across the UK appear to be levelling off, or that the percentage of patients needing critical care has dropped substantially, or acknowledging the percentage of hospital-acquired Covid infections. Information held by the NHS executive which should be in the public domain is concealed and suppressed, even from elected parliamentary representatives before a crucial national vote.

There has been no presentation to the public of the known healthcare costs of lockdown. Data on this issue will be published in the open literature in the next few weeks – too late to avert a damaging second lockdown.

Could someone explain to me why this situation does not constitute contempt of Parliament?

Dissent is suppressed by ridicule, exclusion or intimidation. Valid alternative interpretations of the data are ignored. Inconvenient metrics in relation to hospital-acquired infections or death rates are concealed. It’s not clear to me what path this Government is following, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a scientific one.

Daily Covid Cases Drop by 11.5% compared to last Sunday

Yesterday’s 20,572 coronavirus cases mark a significant drop of 2,682 compared to last Sunday’s total of 23,254. This cannot be due to Lockdown 2.0, which was only imposed on Thursday, and suggests cases were falling before the latest restrictions were imposed, just as they were before Lockdown 1.0 was imposed on March 23rd. The MailOnline has more.

Today’s all-settings death toll marks a drop of 3.7% on the 162 deaths reported this time last week.

It is also fewer than half the 413 deaths reported on Saturday – but figures on Sunday can be lower than usual due to a delay in processing over the weekend.

The positive drop in case numbers adds fuel to criticism against Boris Johnson’s trigger-happy lockdown put in place this week.

The Prime Minister pushed ahead with nation-wide restrictions amid concerns rapid spread of the virus in September and October is leading to surging hospital admissions across the North of England and sparking fears the NHS could be overwhelmed again.

But the move has proven controversial as streams of data from various sources – some official and some not – seem to show that the local lockdown policy was working.

Of today’s figures, England recorded 122 deaths, while Scotland announced three.

In Wales, 19 new deaths were reported, along with 744 new cases, as it prepares to leave its ‘firebreak’ lockdown tomorrow.

Seven deaths were recorded in Northern Ireland and an additional 420 cases.

Today’s figure come on the fourth day of England’s national lockdown, with Tory MPs warning Boris Johnson he will face a “massive revolt” if he tries to extend it beyond December 2nd.

Worth remembering that we’re still nowhere near Witless and Unbalanced ‘Graph of Doom’ prediction of 50,000 new positive cases per day and a very long way indeed from 1,000 deaths a day, let alone 4,000.

Looks like the British public were sold a pup by Boris and his henchmen.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Ex-Conservative MP David Mellor in yesterday’s Mail on Sunday said that the dossier Boris presented to the public last Saturday was so dodgy even Tony Blair wouldn’t have touched it.

Protestors in Manchester Chant: “Take Off Your Masks”

There was a sizeable anti-lockdown protest in Manchester yesterday, resulting in four arrests. The Manchester Evening News has more.

Hundreds of people gathered in Piccadilly Gardens in central Manchester today to protest against the national lockdown.

The protest is believe to have got underway in the city centre at around 1pm.

There appeared to be little social distancing and none of the protesters appeared to be wearing masks.

Condemning the protest on Sunday evening, Greater Manchester Police said they estimated 600 were in attendance and said police officers responding to the incident were left injured.

They also said a large number of people had travelled to Manchester for the protest – including one group who came via coach from Cumbria.

Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain said: “I would like to use this opportunity to publically condemn this gathering. Both the organisers and attendees were irresponsible – increasing demand on police who are also responding to calls regarding serious incidents and people who are in immediate danger across Greater Manchester.

“Under the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014, officers authorised a Section 34 Dispersal Order. They also arrested four people on suspicion of public order offences and issued 24 £200 Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs). Enquiries are ongoing to also issue an FPN to the organiser.”

He added: “Whilst responding to this gathering, a number of officers were injured. This is unacceptable behaviour towards officers who were simply doing their job and protecting people. Investigators will now work to identify those responsible and ensure they face justice.”

Worth reading in full.

Was Boris Bounced Into Ordering Lockdown 2.0?

The slippery pig

According to today’s Mail, Boris is furious about having been strong-armed into agreeing to a second lockdown after being shown dodgy data. Political Editor Jason Groves has more.

Boris Johnson believes he was bounced into ordering a second national lockdown, a Cabinet ally said last night.

The Prime Minister reluctantly signed off a new lockdown in England last weekend after being warned by Government scientists that deaths could rise to 4,000 a day – four times the peak seen in April.

The decision was rushed out with minimal Cabinet consultation after news of the warning, and the PM’s reaction to it, was leaked to news organisations, including the Daily Mail.

The 4,000-a-day figure has since been widely discredited and Government scientists have been forced to correct other dire warnings used to inform the lockdown decision.

Some data last week suggested that the second wave may have levelled off or even peaked before the lockdown was introduced last Thursday.

Yesterday another 156 Covid deaths were reported across the UK, down from 162 a week earlier.

Some 20,572 cases were recorded, a fall of 2,682 on the previous Sunday’s total of 23,254.

One Cabinet minister last night told the Daily Mail that Mr Johnson felt he had been pushed into the decision.

“I think he is concerned that he may have been bounced into it,” the source said.

“He was really, really cross about the leak because at that point a different decision might still have been made.

“There is also concern that some of the information used to inform the decision now seems to be crumbling.

“In fact the figures seem to be suggesting things were getting better before the lockdown began – we are being shut down for a month when we did not need to be.”

The source predicted the episode would harden the PM’s attitude against any attempt to renew the restrictions.

“It means a third or fourth lockdown is very unlikely,” the source said. “All of this goes against his political inclinations.”

Do we believe this? Or is Boris just trying to escape the blame for a political decision he took knowing full well it wasn’t supported by the data? It wouldn’t be the first time he wanted to have his cake and eat it. Not for nothing is the Prime Minister known as “the slippery pig” by some Tory grandees.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: The Mail on Sunday ran a powerful editorial yesterday saying that if Lockdown 2.0 doesn’t end on December 2nd it’s “curtains for Boris”.

Number of People With Suicidal Thoughts Trebles Since Lockdown

The number of people seeking help because of suicidal thoughts has tripled since lockdown, according to a new investigation, with some ambulance services seeing cases rise by almost two thirds. The Telegraph has more.

The Royal College of Psychiatrists said mental health services were “overflowing” with patients, with growing numbers struggling to cope with anxiety, psychosis and depression. Experts said millions were battling isolation, fear and post-traumatic stress, with many only seeking help when their crisis had become acute.

The number of people needing support and advice because of suicidal thoughts has tripled, with similar trends being seen among those with anxiety disorders, the new data shows.

London Ambulance Service has seen a 68% rise in suicides and attempted suicides, with crews now attending 37 cases a day compared to 22 this time last year. A survey of almost 700 psychiatrists revealed that six in 10 are now dealing with an increased number of emergency cases, including people needing to be sectioned for their own safety.

One doctor said bed shortages were so extreme that he had recently been unable to secure a specialist bed for a 17-year-old boy suffering from psychosis anywhere in the UK.

Very worrying.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: 50 charities and top doctors have signed an open letter to the Prime Minister urging him not to abandon cancer patients. Data from first wave suggests 35,000 extra deaths may be caused by cancer next year as a result of the second lockdown.

Message From the People’s Republic of Wales

A Welsh reader has sent an encouraging message.

Luckily for us we live in Wales, albeit by about 75 yards, and our “firebreak” ended yesterday. I’ve had a good look at the Welsh Government guidance that will apply from today. To be fair to Chairman Drakeford, he has clearly taken some sensible advice, presumably following the “non-essential” items furore, and toned down the rhetoric. With the exception of pointless face coverings, a “rule of four” in pubs and restaurants and daring to cross the border from plague-ridden England everything else appears to be guidance, as opposed to law, which will not be enforced by the police. He has clearly realised, or been told, that people respond better to gentle encouragement than diktats which I, with fifteen years experience of hostage and suicide intervention negotiation, could have told him from the outset.

For those of you unfortunate enough to live in England I have had a good look at the latest nonsense from Boris and his cronies and am of the view that it is all completely unenforceable. Everything comes with the “reasonable excuse” caveat but doesn’t define a reasonable excuse so if you are approached by the police for breaching one of the regulations simply claim to have a reasonable excuse as you don’t appear to have to define what that excuse is. People also need to understand that Fixed Penalty Notices are not compulsory so if a police officer tries to issue you with one, particularly if it is for a ridiculous sum of money, simply refuse to accept it and ask to be summoned to court instead. Preparing a summons file is a laborious task which most officers don’t have time to do and, in any case, the CPS have failed to prosecute anyone so far as the law is so vague.

Liverpool School Update

Malcolm McDowell in A Clockwork Orange about to undergo mandatory testing at the hands of Government scientists. Photo by Warner Bros/Hawk Films/Kobal/REX/Shutterstock

Readers will recall that on Saturday I published a letter that parents had been sent the previous day by the head of Broadgreen International School informing them that the Army would be testing their children today using the new lateral-flow test. Among the letter’s many horrors was this paragraph:

Under normal circumstances parental permission is sought for the testing of children, however under these very challenging circumstances that is not possible, therefore we would ask that if you wish to exclude your child from this test please do so in writing to me first thing on Monday morning.

Is that even legal? I got a message on Twitter from Liverpool City Council yesterday which suggests that it isn’t. It said: “Hi Toby, the letter sent to parents at this school was incorrect – parental consent is required. This is an entirely voluntary testing programme and only parents who return the consent forms will have their child tested.”

I replied as follows: “Thanks for letting me know. Have parents at the school been informed? And will you be issuing guidance to schools to make sure this mistake isn’t repeated?”

I then got this back: “Hello Toby, parents at the school have started to be informed and we are in conversation with schools across the city.”

Hello Toby, parents at the school have started to be informed and we are in conversation with schools across the city.

— Liverpool City Council (@lpoolcouncil) November 8, 2020

I sincerely hope this is true. Liverpoool’s schoolchildren should not be used as guinea pigs in the roll out of Boris’s ‘Moonshot’ testing programme, and certainly not after their parents have been given so little notice and told that unless they object their children will be tested.

Stop Press: The school has indeed delayed the testing and informed parents that “opt in” consent will be required.

Stop Press 2: A paper published on April 20th by Professor Derrick Cook concluded that the ELISA and lateral flow immunoassays were “inadequate”.

Round-Up

  • “Trump Is Gone. Trumpism Just Arrived” – Brilliant analysis of the US election results by Andrew Sullivan
  • “Groupthink is the disease that forced us into this crisis” – Luke Johnson on top form in yesterday’s Sunday Times
  • “Revealed: How thousands of patients died of coronavirus they caught in hospitals” – Article in the Mail on Sunday about nosocomial infection
  • “Continuous lockdowns will be human disaster on colossal scale” – Saira Khan, a Mirror columnist, has become a lockdown sceptic
  • “Court Declares Gov. Newsom’s Abuse of Power Unconstitutional” – Californian court rules the Governor has abused his powers by issuing countless coronavirus executive orders
  • Conversation with Sir Desmond Swayne – Louise from Save Our Rights Uk talks to Sir Desmond Swayne about the lockdowns
  • “Wales prepares to come OUT of two-week lockdown” – First Minister Mark Drakeford says infection rates are plateauing in the principality
  • “Dominic Raab warns ‘mutated version of coronavirus’ linked to Danish mink farms could undermine COVID-19 vaccine efforts” – No shit Sherlock
  • “‘Mink virus’ alert as hospitals ordered to keep suspected cases in isolation” – The Telegraph has an exclusive: every hospital in the country has been ordered to isolate suspected “mink virus” patients amid increasing efforts to prevent a mutant strain of Covid from spreading to Britain
  • “One in eight shops failed to reopen after first lockdown” – The Times reports that 5,552 shops remain closed
  • “Thousands flock to UK beauty spots during first weekend of national covid lockdown as Brits enjoy the great outdoors” – The Sun says few people if any observed Lockdown 2.0 yesterday
  • “Ministers warn lockdown flouters that the police are preparing to escalate their response” – The Telegraph says police are going to issue more on-the-spot fines
  • “18 Trump rallies have led to 30,000 COVID-19 cases: Stanford University study” – Sounds unlikely and worth noting that similar studies weren’t done to see how many cases the BLM protests led to
  • “Douglas Murray: Lockdown obsession is a ‘prelude to total collapse’ if it continues” – Douglas Murray on Sky News Australia warns that lockdowns cannot continue for much longer
  • “I will never forgive the clowns who cancelled Remembrance Sunday” – Peter Hitchens’s column in the Mail on Sunday say he will never forgive the Government for cancelling Remembrance Sunday
  • “Tesco & Sainsbury’s close off non-essential parts of stores amid English lockdown” – The Government promised not to do it, but it’s happened anyway according to Retail Gazette
  • “Our ship of fools sails on, from one destructive lockdown to the next” – Jeremy Warner in the Telegraph is becoming quite despairing
  • “Is the cost of another lockdown too high?” – Good article in the Spectator by Philip Thomas
  • “First do no harm” – The open letter to Boris from nearly 500 health professionals and scientists pulled together by UsForThem and Recovery that I mentioned yesterday
  • Piers Corbyn Harassed by Police – Disturbing footage of Piers Corbyn being harassed by the police on leaving Bromley Magistrates Court
  • “The Real Normal Podcast – Episode 21” – A podcast devoted to the infamous episode in 2007 when PCR testing led the Profs at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center to misdiagnose a Whooping Cough outbreak

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one today: “The Gates of Delirium” by Yes, “Walking on the Edge” by Wilko Johnson and “I’m Walking Backwards For Christmas” by the Goons.

Love in the Time of Covid

Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell in The Americans. Credit: Jeffrey Neira/FX

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, I’m bringing you an extract from Andrew Sullivan’s column about the US election results, which, according to him, shows how fed up to the back teeth most Americans are with woke dogma.

And this was also clearly and unequivocally a rejection of the woke left. The riots of the summer turned many people off. In exit polls, 88 percent of Trump voters say it was a factor in their choice. On the question of policing and criminal justice, Trump led Biden 46 — 43 percent. For the past five years, Democrats have been telling us that Trump and his supporters were white supremacists, that he was indeed the “First White President” in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ words, that all minorities were under assault by the modern day equivalent of the KKK. And yet, the GOP got the highest proportion of the minority vote since 1960! No wonder Charles Blow’s head exploded.

We may find out more as exit polling is pored over, but in the current stats, Trump measurably increased his black, Latino, gay and Asian support. 12 percent of blacks — and 18 percent of black men — backed someone whom the left has identified as a “white supremacist”, and 32 percent of Latinos voted for the man who put immigrant children in cages, giving Trump Florida and Texas. 31 percent of Asians and 28 percent of the gay, lesbian and transgender population also went for Trump. The gay vote for Trump may have doubled! We’ll see if this pans out. But it’s an astonishing rebuke of identity politics and its crude assumptions about how unique individuals vote.

Why did minorities shift slightly rightward after enduring four years of Trump? First off, many obviously rejected the narrative being pushed out by every elite media source: that the core of Trump’s appeal was racism. They saw a more complicated picture. I suspect that many African-Americans, for example, were terrified of “defunding the police” and pleased to be economically better off, with record low unemployment before Covid19 hit. Many legal Latino citizens, perplexing leftists, do not want continued mass immigration, and are socially conservative. Asians increasingly see the woke as denying their children fair access to education, and many gays just vote on various different issues, now that the civil rights question has been largely resolved by the Supreme Court.

Obviously a big majority of non-white and non-straight voters still backed Democrats. But the emergence of this coalition of minority conservatives is fascinating — and, of course, a complete refutation of what critical race theory tells us how minorities must feel. Ditto the gender gap. It’s there, but not quite the gulf we were led to believe. We have again been told insistently that being female in America today is a constant nightmare of oppression, harassment, violence and misogyny; and that no one represents this more potently than Donald “grab ‘em by the pussy” Trump. And yet white women still voted for Trump 55 to 43 percent. Among white women with no college education, arguably those most vulnerable to the predations of men, Trump got 60 percent support. This is not a wave of rage; and it suggests that the left’s notion of patriarchy is, in 2020, something many, many women just don’t buy, or do not believe should outweigh other, more important issues.

And look at California, one of the most leftist states in the country, and minority-majority. The initiative to allow public institutions to discriminate openly on the basis of race — in order to favor some groups over others on the Ibram X. Kendi model — decisively failed, after months of unceasing propaganda about “white supremacy” and the need to counter it. So did an attempt to regulate the gig economy and to expand rent control. The appeal of assimilation and economic success among Latinos is not, pace the critical race theorists, an attempt to gain the advantages of “white-adjacency”. It’s simply the American way, paved by generations of immigrant groups before them.

This is one of the best analyses of the US election results I’ve read so far.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Sarah Phillimore, a barrister specialising in child protection, has started a CrowdJustice fundraiser so she can bring a case against the police to get them to remove a ‘non-crime hate incident’ they’ve recorded against her name. Donate here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Mask Mandate: According to Fox News, Biden is planning to implement mask mandates nationwide as one of his first acts as President.

Stop Press: West Midlands Police challenged a shopper in Sainsbury’s who wasn’t wearing a mask. He explained that he was exempt because he suffered from anxiety and they threatened to arrest him unless he either put a mask on or left the shop. The West Midlands Police later apologised: “We got this wrong and we’re sorry for any upset & distress we’ve caused.”

Power to the people pic.twitter.com/aqwNALLqBa

— Happy Harry (@HappyHarryMedia) November 7, 2020

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Stop Press: Dr Gary Sidley has come up with a list of five reasons to be cheerful about coronavirus.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

You will enjoy this. It features a group of television presenters watching a music teacher’s video in which she plays a song she’s written to help her adapt to online teaching and learning. The song – and their reaction – is priceless.

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Bailie
Bailie
5 years ago

Good morning all

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Bailie

Morning!

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Good morning to you all!

Got to the suicide bit and just today I’ve had them feels exactly. I’m not capable of whacking myself but the feeling to not be alive anymore has filled me on a handful of occasions in just the past couple of months. It really sucks to have that thought/desire take the wheel.
Now, the fact I’m a recovering addict and have been alone my whole life (as in no love) surely accounts for the majority of the damage within, I have no doubt Coronamania and Mask-o-rama is adding a nice touch of despair into the mix. The compliance factor out there is staggering. I’ve always been a bit different but now I’m a full blown alien species and likely superspreader with my evil bare face.
Having said all this I’ll just carry on and live it out one day at a time. Got me a new pair of cats to make the rest of the way bearable…they’re lodged in my heart already!! 🙂

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Listen to those pussycats purring, Eddie.Settle them on your lap and stroke them. Watch them play. All’s right with their world, so long as you’re there for. them. And they’ll welcome you to their world.
Your bare face spreads humanity, sanity, the ability to smile and show emotion. Be proud of being a superspreader.
Remember that every smile, every appearance. of you as a human bring, every positive thought, is a poke in the eye for THEM.That alone makes life worth living.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Bless you, Annie. Will you marry me? 😉

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Can’t, alas, I’m a dog person and the cats wouldn’t stand fir it. Cat-and-dog existence and all that. Thanks for the offer, though!
BTW, if you also like dogs and your heart needs warming, check out the ‘Olive and Mabel’, videos on You tube.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Well, no harm in asking. 😉 Wasn’t Eddie asking btw, it was me. 🙂

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Sorry. Didn’t intend to commit virtual bigamy.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

😉

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Olive and Mabel on zoom call; priceless.
I’ve also started getting hooked on Messi and Gerda…weird big cats in Russia.
@eddie; animals help big time.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

I put down my last surviving cat at the end of August and embarked on life completely alone first time in 18 years. The days since then have been empty and a few of them as dark as it gets. I feel much better now with my new kids keeping me company!

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

eddie, I have shared my own version of that feeling when being with one of my beloved dogs or cats (friends and loved ones, as they were to me). The new kids , as you are now blessed with enjoying, are wonderful though, aren’t they? Circle of life.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Aaaaaah!

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Jealous? 😉

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Thank you Annie, I will love them with all I got and then some!
A superspreader of sanity!! That’s a fantastic way of looking at it

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Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

I’m glad you have the cats – it’s hard to beat the purring answer to your scritches behind the ears and under the chin. Also, listening to the little noises as they eat the kibble you provide them is priceless.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Emily Tock

Haha so true…I can hear them crunching away from my bed

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Watch a few episodes of Simon’s Cat. It’s been keeping me sane lately

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Yes, that cat is a tonic.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

I’m very sorry to hear you’re having a bad day, Eddie. I can understand what you say about feeling that people look at you as a ‘likely superspreader with your evil bare face’ – it’s hard to understand how this version of the world has come to be.
I am glad to hear about your cats. They will soon have you nicely trained up in all their little preferences and ways. Cats are excellent line managers for their humans.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Thank you Alethea…yes I will soon be a well trained servant attending to their every wish 😉

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Eddie, you have a community here and we support you. Did you attend meetings before lockdown? Have you had any support from those members. Never hesitate to call one of the many organisations – Samaritans, Mind, AA, etc. – and ask specifically to talk to someone anti lockdown and anti mask. TALKING about it helps, I promise. Just today I realized another hideous aspect of masks is that – when you can’t see a person’s facial expression, your nervous system automatically goes into alert mode, triggering “fight or flight” and producing stress hormone. DO NOT LOOK AT MASKED FACES! For your safety. Look at the floor or to the side of someone. Eddie, you are not alone. So many people support you. I do for one. Stay strong. ONE DAY AT A TIME! Big virtual hug!

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Hi CNC and thanks for replying. The addiction thing is pretty easy now. It’s the putting back together the pieces of my shattered life that I’m finding near impossible.
And I definitely agree – as brief as possible eye contact with maskers!
Thanks for the hug !! 🙂

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Choose_Life
Choose_Life
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Yes and so true. I do not look at the masked faces at all. I and my husband who are always maskless, went to the park yesterday and were treated like lepers by a maskless woman who leapt so far away from us. Is this planet earth?

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Enjoy your cats. Cats are loyal friends who make life worth living.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Well done and thanks for the encouragement. This forum is fantastic as well, thanks everyone.
Yesterday evening I was in a bad state and a reader here phoned me up and she has two cats, one sitting on her and the other I pretended was sitting on me. Worked a treat.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Thanks Rosie. We definitely got each other, be it virtual or just over in the neighboring town. Meow meow hello from my two felines, Pele and Maggie

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Meowwww ! Hi to Pele and Maggie, you’ll make a great family with Eddie 🙂 🙂

BTW Eddie, I’m involved in designing a local network support system, just working on the philosophy and having a design meeting on Thursday, hopefully, so hang on in there!

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

That sounds wonderful Rosie!
Okay 9am here and I better get some work done. Have a good evening!

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Hope your day goes well, Eddie.
We’re trying to make the design replicable up to any scale. It’ll need IT backup if you know anyone (we have got one, hopefully he’ll be free on Thursday).

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Good morning Eddie.

I can only second the other comments here encouraging you on. As someone who has found this lockdown hard, I can only sympathise with you especially as I’ve been harboring dark thoughts over the past few months.

With this lockdown, I’m not complying. I am out and about away from my neighbourhood as much as I can for the sake of my mental health and as for those with masks, I simply ignore them – taking a book with me on public transport is useful as I don’t have to see the muzzled faces. Plus I managed to get Mr Bart to stop wearing a face covering when we’re together saying that half the time I can’t understand him and that it causes me distress.

Stay strong and all the best!

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Thanks and same to you and Mr BS 🙂

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mm99
mm99
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Hi Eddie, really sorry to hear you’re having a bad day. God knows we all have them more now – the masked brigade is a drag.

Get out there and show your face.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  mm99

Will do!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Eddie, if you feel alien, it’s because the bemuzzled have been deprived of their humanity! You’re the real human here.

Try not to despair. Enjoy the autumn colours, which are stunning this year.
Enjoy your cats. Find things that make you smile or, even better, laugh.

I recommend Alice’s Diary:The Memoir of a Cat by Vernon Coleman to get you trained ready for your two felines and give you a few gentle chuckles.
For belly laught, I recommend the Dublin Trilogy (all five books!) by Caimh McDonnell. A Man with one of those faces is the first in the series. Nobody can possibly read about Bunny McGarry and feel miserable.
If you have a Kindle, they’re all available on Kindle Unlimited.

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Many thanks Cheezilla…I definitely need a good laugh and your recommendations sound perfect. Cheers!

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Best wishes Eddie, you have friends here.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Love that name btw

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JoeBlogg
JoeBlogg
5 years ago
Reply to  Bailie

Good morning. I assume it’s another Covid groundhog day!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  JoeBlogg

Not quite.Every day the resistance builds.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bailie

Good morning!!!

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
5 years ago
Reply to  Bailie

If you missed it in the round up our latest podcast is HERE!
A cautionary tale of the PCR Whooping Cough epidemic that never was. Many simularities to whats going on in our world now. Give it a listen!
👇
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago

Thriced

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JoeBlogg
JoeBlogg
5 years ago

“I keep on fighting for the things I want
Though I know that when you’re dead you can’t But I’d rather be a free man in my grave Than living as a puppet or a slave”

– Jimmy Cliff 1972 –

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Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  JoeBlogg

Nice!!!
“I’d rather be a free man in my grave Than living as a puppet or a slave”
Had this line on my Insta bio for the past month…exactly how we all should feel right now.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

I’d rather be a free woman and live, and see the totalitarian scum into their graves.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Right on sister. That’s the attitude we should all have.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  JoeBlogg

Not quite true. Apparently when you are dead you can vote for Biden. 😉

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

(Several times).

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

Andrew Neil and statistician David Spiegelhalter – The Week in 60 Minutes #10 | SpectatorTV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDBJjaCh2k Neil speaks to Spiegelhalter from about 33:30. Watch it if you like (to get angry). 35:30 – He says the tiers were working while ignoring the fact that the ‘case’ numbers were coming down, even while the politicians were still arguing about money, and before the tiers were brought in. I was really disheartened to hear Spiegelhalter defend the figures being produced by the government; he talks as if the figures for ‘cases’, admissions’, and ‘deaths’ are all REAL. Everyone know they’re bollocks! 35:50 – He says the current 25,000 ‘cases’ per day “is absolutely certain to lead to“, in 2 weeks to 2,500 ‘admissions’ per day which, in turn, will lead to 500 deaths a day. He even tells Fraser Nelson (re. the discredited 50,000 cases graph), “…don’t keep on dragging it out…” as it’s “…unfair to the scientists…” What a complete prick! It appears he is not only a statistician; he’s also an epidemiologist! He says all the talk about false positives is “complete nonsense and utter misinformation“, and reckons the rate is “much less than 1 in 2,000” It keeps coming:… Read more »

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

He’s actually fantastic, he’s the guy who uncovered Harold Shipman using data, and his book about statistics is fantastic for the layman. But, yeah, this doesn’t appear to be his finest hour.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Presumably in the past, health service data was more trustworthy (even if Shipman wasn’t).

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Perhaps because he caught Shipman through data he thinks that is the whole story. He doesn’t have the biologists’ appreciation of what constitutes ‘Garbage In, Garbage Out’ in this instance.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Yes well, he certainly was fantastic, but has gradually turned. He’s funded by an independent outfit with lots of money. I’ve tried them a couple of times and suggest that they would be a good target for letters. Try to stop the rot before it gets worse.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I was aware of him early on in this disaster. Yes, he analyses data, but has a tendency to not ask too deeply about the trustworthiness of the data – or he sometimes does that separately without combining the two concepts at the same time. Very frustrating. This thing about the 1-in-2000 false positives: I keep seeing someone in the Spectator comments making the same mistake. They’re referring to the infections-per-hundred-thousand figures that you see being quoted, assuming that this must be the number of positive tests divided by the number of tests. If this is 1-in-2000 then that surely puts an upper limit on the number of false positives, right? Well, no. I think those figures are in reality the number of positive results for a city divided by the population in the city – or something similar. The denominator is fixed, so the figure scales with number of tests done and will be lower than the false positive rate. In a true randomised test, you’d divide the number of positives by the number of tests carried out and quote that as a fraction. If you wanted to then convert that to infected-per-hundred thousand, you’d multiply it by 100,000.… Read more »

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago

The interview with Sir Desmond Swayne made an interesting point. Anyone as high profile and outspoken as he is would normally receive hundreds of letters from both dissenters and supporters – yet he can count the dissenters on one hand. Why?

If 60% of us really delight in being locked up, and are thrilled to destroy the economy for generations to come, then why aren’t more people objecting to what he is saying?

I suspect that the polls, once again, have deceived us into thinking that it’s a majority belief, hoping that many will just go along with it. And many do out of respect.

It’s a classic psychological persuasion technique, and given that the government has used these before with absolute impunity, I would not be at all surprised if the UK polls regarding lockdown support are completely rigged.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Local Live
‘Spooky pictures of deserted City centre streets during lockdown’.

Not from what I’ve observed during 4 days of lockdown 2 which is a surprisingly high footfall given that hardly anything is open in the city centre. Mostly unmasked so presumably not scared of the Covid this time

Most of the photos are taken within two privately owned shopping centres which have Security Guards to bar entry
and the one of an actual street was clearly taken very early in the day.

Propaganda through and through, time for boris and his pirate regime to go.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Rigged by our own side.. and likely also infiltrated by outside regimes…

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Totally unscientific. I wish I could get hold of those leading questions!!

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I suspect that many here have been involved in commissioning polls and PR campaigns. The first question the agency asks is ‘what’s your goal this time?’. Then the poll/questionnaire/campaign is designed to provide the answers to support the goal. 101.
‘Don’t worry, we can get any answer you want to install the fear and compliance you want, dear client’.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Instil not install

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Exactly. If I had a dollar for every “survey” I’ve looked at, only to close, because it was clear what result they were seeking with a lot of “when did you stop beating your wife?” -style questions.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

That’s why I’ve never trusted the polls, I’ve always thought they were rigged and the way the questions are structured are manipulative which push respondents to answer in a way the pollsters want to hear.

The MSM as always are still up to their dirty tricks. I saw a tweet from the USA’s ABC news claiming that the fireworks in the UK were due to Biden being elected, myself and other people pointed out that we have a tradition called Bonfire Night, not everything is about America and that the vast majority of the British people couldn’t give a stuff about the presidential elections.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It could be the questions but if caught they would come up as misleading which is illegal. I rather think it is the size of the sample, and the difficulty in selecting the right sample ie that represents the country as a whole, because it’s not as easy to pick who will be for and against a Lockdown. Political leanings tend to be demographically based and have historical data. Could you have known who was going to be a Lockdown Bedwetter? I’ve been surprised many times.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I used to fill out surveys and they find a way of filtering out people such as getting you to add your post code, mention what your age group is, gender, etc. If you refuse to answer those questions or they decide they already have more than enough respondents in your respective groups, then you get kicked out.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

America deserves their new far left geriatric president I also do not want to see our Government kowtow to him either, it looks like Joe has an attitude problem with us like Obama did I do not care personally

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

I never understood why successive governments have always gone on & on about the “special relationship”, it is nothing of the sort. If anything Harold Macmillan was more on the money when he likened the UK to the Greeks trying to civilise the USA’s Rome.

Fast forward to today, they don’t really need us. Far better in my opinion if we stuck to Palmerston’s dictum that there are no permanent allies or enemies only permanent interests. Its time we got rid of this craven kowtowing to the USA and the chattering classes’ pathological obsession with American politics and culture.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

timeforrecovery.org commissioned a poll and found much more opposition to lockdown than any other poll has reported. Sorry I can’t find a link now. If I had enough spare money I would get a few decent polls designed and executed, to take some of the guesswork about what messages to focus on and to know the true extent of what we face.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They often poll only about 1000 people out of 67 million for these YouGovs. They are supposed to be representative of every region….but seriously?

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I did one that asked “Should the Government protect lives or protect the economy?” Obviously designed to make people feel a heartless granny killer if they answered the latter.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Polls are a propaganda tool. This is known and even has a name (voter suppression).

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jsampson45
jsampson45
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Can you give a reference? Wikipedia on “voter suppression” does not mention opinion polls as far as I can see.

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Yes, the polls are wrong. I signed up to Yougov and their polls are extremely loaded. They do not give any options to object to lockdown most of the time, and load their questions with ‘facts’ beforehand in many cases. Nothing but a pro-lockdown and pro-mask campaigning machine (like the BBC)

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

That was my impression too!

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I think lockdown, Great Reset, climate change and AI zealous Gens Y and Z have brainwashed many of their parents and grandparents.
Most are ignorant of the consequences and/or think they won’t be on the losers side.
From history, I can tell you who will lose the most eventually though, and they don’t fathom that at all, yet:
all soldiers, policemen, teachers, bin collectors, civil servants etc. and all state and final salary pensioners.
They were in the poorhouse in Germany from 1945-1975, as the state could only spend what the private sector earned, and as it couldn’t borrow much, and that only at high rates, for a generation.
Serves them well.
Plus ca change….

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Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

https://youtu.be/G0ZZJXw4MTA

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago

Matt says Covid vaccines are safe and effective, so you’d better believe it!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/social-media-giants-agree-package-of-measures-with-uk-government-to-tackle-vaccine-disinformation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927865/GCHQ-spies-launch-cyber-counter-attack-against-anti-vaccine-propaganda-spread-Russia.html

Civil liberties anybody?

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

Safe and effective, Why do the inserts list 100s of side effects then? But the propaganda does look silly though, depicting Boris as an ape after taking it. Better to take the Russian one that’s made of Smirnoff Vodka 🙂

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

They are not worried about daft Russian propaganda – I submitted evidence about this to the Fake News Inquiry three years ago – they are about worried ordinary citizens swapping legitimate information.

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/fake-news/written/76219.html

The moves were set in motion, shamefully through the Spectator, by Seth Berkley. the head of the global vaccine cartel (GAVI) in 2017.

https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2449/rr-13

They have been working on it ever since.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/uk-law-commissioner-threatens-criminal-action-against-vaccine-critics.html

Lots of people who ought to know better.

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Mrs S
Mrs S
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

Thanks for this, John. It’s wonderful to see you commentimg here.

Those of us who have watched the machinations of the vaccine cartel over long periods have not been shocked by any of this.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Mrs S

Mrs S

Thank you! However, I promise you I am shocked to the core by all of it notwithstanding having predicted last November that we were on the edge of some global catastrophic turning point

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/10/the-id2020-alliance-the-global-totalitarian-project-hiding-behind-the-vaccine-drive.html

I said it and moved on, and then it caught up with us all.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

PS In my experience when people exchange information about vaccination on the web it is mostly genuine data, Patient Information Leaflets, studies, published government data, FOIs, maybe personal experiences. What I have never seen is Russian cyber-junk. Once or twice I saw stupid stories from Newspunch or something and suggested to people that they were not well sourced and should not be used. But what the government is worried about is the hard data, a lot of which is damning. Obviously, this awful present episode will make people ask many more questions about what public health is generally up to. I feel very sad about it.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

Hi John, are you working with Reiner Fuellmich’s group?

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

We published a transcript of his video on our website
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/10/reiner-fuellmich-crimes-against-humanity-transcript.html
I don’t know whether it is the right legal approach (no doubt there should be several), but it is interesting.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

My multilingual friend who lived in German for over 40 years is taking it very seriously indeed, They are working with a great many others and I think the UK legal people are way behind them.

What it needs, IMO, is a groundswell of popular support. These destroyers need to start feeling frightened.

Although they are receiving huge numbers of emails, they are actively looking for more people to work on this. I think you should be sending them your information, and please be sure to have it securely printed and backed up.

Awkward Git here also sends his FOI info to them and to Mina Dew. I hope his stuff is secure as well.

Fuellmich and associates also want translators if your JF person wants to contact them.

There’s a new report/open letter out from ACU2020 as well that needs translating urgently. Ask you translator to contact Paul Gregory here please http://www.klasseverantwortung.de/index.html

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Thanks!

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nat
nat
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

I see that article about the UK Law Commissioner threatening criminal action against vaccine critics is from 1st February. What foresight she had !

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  nat

Yes, and the Prime Minister has been abusing vaccine critics like none before him

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-systemic-patient-abuse-and-state-repression/

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right2question
right2question
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

so happy to find i’m not the only vc sceptic, thanks for posting this !!

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The SmPC for an established vaccine considers reports of adverse effects in millions of patients being treated. You will see most side effects listed with a frequency “not known”, which euphemistically means “there have been a tiny number of reports of this, perhaps only 2 or 3”. Note also that these are not necessarily related to the vaccine. They could be a genuine side effect, or could be just a coincidence. The number of potential side effects listed isn’t really that important, because most of them are rare, so rare that in many cases it is not even possible to establish a causal relationship. You don’t – this is important – need any solid evidence for a listed adverse effect to be actually causally related. With products administered to millions of people manufacturers are keen to ensure there is limited risk of any accusation that they are “hiding” an adverse effect, because that creates liability issues, so the labelled side effects grow. It’s generally true of vaccines that mild, time-limited side effects are fairly common, and severe side effects vanishingly rare. This will probably be true of any covid vaccine, but it is still highly irresponsible for politicians to pre-empt… Read more »

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right2question
right2question
5 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

er is a side effect not an injury. it’s the side effects that produce the injury. ???

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  right2question

Good question.
Are side effects temporary while permanent negative effects are clearly damage?

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yes, but of course no one in the NHS would be keen to suggest a side effect would cause an injury. Where would it end if they started listening to parents instead of branding them as “antivaxxers”.

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

OK, let’s slow down. Side effects, injuries, permanent negative effects, damage, the terminology is getting confusing. Let’s use what is used in the industry, there is only one term, “adverse effect”. It’s used for any “negative” incidents that occur to the patient in a clinical trial, and by analogy in the safety monitoring that has to be done for all products on the market (pharmacovigilance). The adverse effect may have been caused by the product, or it may not have been. It’s often difficult to tell. It may be severe, or not, and it may go away after a while, or it may last a long time, perhaps even until you are dead. Such permanent effects are very rare for most products. Any adverse effects need to be weighed up against the benefit of the product, at the time of licensing, and by the physician and patient upon deciding to treat. Obviously if you have terminal cancer and there is a drug that will extend your life for 6 months, both the authorities and patients tend to accept a rather higher burden of adverse effects than for, say, a vaccine administered to a healthy child. Vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. Because… Read more »

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AfterAll
AfterAll
5 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Moderna’s vaccine has generally been described as “safe” even though they had four grade 3 events in their Phase I on healthy subjects. Grade 3 means “requires hospital treatment”, one level below life-threatening. That’s unlikely to be the public’s idea of “safe”!

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
5 years ago
Reply to  AfterAll

No, grade 3 does not necessarily mean “requiring hospital treatment”, an AE requiring hospital treatment would be labelled as “serious”, which is a separate axis from the severity scale. I’ve been doing this every day for some 20 years, been involved in some way with at least 100 clinical trials, so there’s no point trying to bamboozle me.

As the deaths from/with covid are rightly criticised for being free of context, so is saying “N events of grade X”. What’s the denominator? How many patients? Were they grade 3 “got hit by a car” where we can rule out with some confidence that there is a relation to the product?

We skeptics rightly criticise the lockdowners for cherry-picking. Let’s not descend to the lockdowners’ level.

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AfterAll
AfterAll
5 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Touché! I count a total of 45 subjects (aged 18-55) in their Phase I press release: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-positive-interim-phase-1-data-its-mrna-vaccine Adverse events were 1x grade 3 erythema and 3x grade 3 systemic symptoms. “All adverse events have been transient and self-resolving. No grade 4 adverse events or serious adverse events have been reported.”

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AfterAll
AfterAll
5 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

There’s more detail in their NEJM paper https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483#figures_media including the other mild-to-moderate adverse events. Personally I’d rather take my chances with COVID-19.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

No, because in almost no case are the sequelae seriously monitored with a marketed vaccine but side effects are often frequent and unpleasant – likely will be according to reports with the Covid vaccines. Many PILs list frequent unpleasant side effects. In the case of the Bexsero Men B vaccine, for example, which we give to infants 3 times each shot carries an up to 1 in 1000 risk of Kawasaki disease which if you give to 600,000 infants a year is not negligible.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-2

But for all vaccines there is a serious absence of double blind safety studies against genuine placebo.

https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l4291/rr-37

A lot of the fury is directed at the public because the officials cannot answer and the science is often half-baked. It may be particularly half-baked in the case of the new Covid vaccines. As of the present today I see that Pfizer are claiming 90% effectiveness at preventing cases of the disease but there is no end point for mortality.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

We have the prospect of people having unpleasant side effects who might have only had a mild or asymptomatic version of the disease. Of course, the long term effects are completely unstudied.

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

The labelling of Kawasaki disease with Bexsero is based on a clinical trial incidence of 0.12% versus 0.07% (over the duration of the study). There might be a real effect, and maybe there is even a causal relationship. Certainly the manufacturers and regulators agree it is sufficiently probable to label it. It’s licensed because meningitis is a terrible, and terribly common thing to get as a baby (definitely worse than the, admittedly unpleasant but overly scary-sounding Kawasaki disease), but is not actually in widespread use here in Germany, or I understand in the UK, ironically because the evidence for efficacy is quite limited. You don’t need a mortality endpoint if you are preventing the thing that might cause the mortality. A more effective line of attack would be to point out that you would have to do an unfeasibly enormous study to see a mortality effect (which is why they are not doing it), because covid simply isn’t that lethal, at least in the kind of population that typically gets recruited to this kind of trial. And if your number needed to treat to prevent 1 death in the US/European population is, say, 8,000 (my ball-park guesstimate from combining Yeadon’s… Read more »

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Kawasaki will kill or lead to premature death if not recognised and treated. Families are not being told to look out for it, but everyone who asked to give their child that vaccine ought to be warned. It is a lot more common than Men B wich is of course the absolute nightmare scenario, no question.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Safe and effective, Why do the inserts list 100s of side effects then? 

Vaccine Damage Payment

“If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment.”

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

£120k payoff won’t get very far looking after a vaccine disabled child/adult for the rest of their lives. Also extremely difficult to prove as the majority of doctors believe that vaccines are inherently safe and you need their sign off to claim.

UK plans to use AI to process adverse reactions to Covid vaccines (paywall)

“A government contract shows the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority has paid a software company called Genpact UK £1.5m to develop an AI to to “process the expected high volume of…”

https://www.ft.com/content/17a306cd-be75-48b4-996e-0c2916b34797

Always read the package insert for side effects prior to deciding whether getting a vaccine or take prescribed medication.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

In 2009 the MHRA failed to detect the association between the Pandemrix swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy. Nine years later when writing to BMJ they were completely unrepentant about it:

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

There is in fact a legal obligation on the NHS/government to inform patients of the full range side-effects/harms following the Montgomery vs Lanarkshire Appeal of 2013-15, but one would imagine infrequently observed.

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Don’t take any vaccine.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The side-effects should be widely publicised … Do we have the list?

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

First link doesn’t work

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Try again – just worked for me through the site.

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nat
nat
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

I thought that Daily Mail article was a spoof it is so outrageous. I loved one of the comments:

Imagine a virus so deadly, you need a test to see if you have it. Imagine a vaccine so safe and effective you have to threaten and force people to take it. Imagine a product so safe that the manufacturers have to be exempt from prosecution for all the harm their product will cause?

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Felice
Felice
5 years ago
Reply to  nat

!

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago

yeah yeah Toby.. but Great Reset, Great Reset, Great Reset, Great Reset…

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

First article: So there you have it. The reason we’ve gone into lockdown is because of staff shortages within some NHS trusts thanks, in part, to the false positive rate of the PCR test and the over-zealous enforcement ofquarantining for those who’ve come into contact with “positive” cases. Toby; I love what you have done re. the lockdown; giving us this site, giving people somewhere to share information and advice; giving hope to a lot of people, and to others, some comfort. But as for the above: nope, not buying it! Not buying it for a single second! If absenteeism in a couple of areas was an issue, their Tier system, that they tell us was working, would have dealt with that. Also, if it were true, they wouldn’t have dragged Stevens out last week telling us all this was a national issue. Whitty and Vallance told us last Saturday about deaths in the thousands (I’m aware that’s been debunked and they’ve gone back on it), hospitals all over England being overrun with patients, a shortage of ICU beds everywhere. It doesn’t explain the need to lock us inside the country (no international travel); or the need to shut hospitality… Read more »

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Tony also seems to be suggesting that local lockdowns ‘work’.
Bollocks to that, and all.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

A reason it was made national was to avoid making it look as though the Midlands and the North were being picked on.
Johnson will know that lockdown 2 has nothing like the support that LD1 had so probably authorised the Police (whoever it is wearing their uniform these days) to get punchy.

It’s typical of how out of touch he is, that London Million Mask March has been going on for years on the very date bozo chose impose his incoherent whim on us again and actually encourages wearing masks of the V For Vendetta variety, what a knob.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Johnson is unlikely to be in office much longer

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Amen to that.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

When He concludes Brexit or the Conservative party declares him a liability or the British public get fed up with him, that’s 3 scenarios I see that end with him being removed

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Apologies for answering myself (too late to edit above post), but re. the 2nd article above:

Given that Johnson and his cabal (and I include the CMO and CSO in that) would have had access to all that NHS data, it kills stone dead the ‘anxiety‘ argument. They KNEW there was no crisis! They still know it!

Oh, if you want to find Covid Discharge numbers, you can find them here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Covid-Publication-08-10-2020v3.xlsx

That file includes Covid Discharges from 19th March to 30th September. Next version is due out on November 12th.

Also in that document you can find the number of people who were ‘physically’ admitted into hospital (Admissions Total Tab); the fake admissions (i.e those tested while in hospital) is found in the Diagnoses Total tab.

The sum of the two is what they release on the Gov.uk page each day. See here for confirmation: https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

Not that hard to find; I’ve been posting it on here for weeks. 🙂

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

‘physically admitted’? Were the rest mentally admitted?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Stop it! You know what I meant. 😉

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Thaks for this Ceriain.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I think the shortage of qualified NHS staff argument is very plausible. There’s a worldwide shortage of good doctors and nurses at the moment and there was nobody to service the Nightingales. They are anxious because they will look like idiots if hospitals are overrun (wouldn’t take much), plus they would have to admit that decades of a badly run NHS, low wages etc etc has caused this.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

They wouldn’t admit it. They’d say the crisis was entirely the fault of people who aren’t obeying The Rules.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Unless you are a BLM or ER protestor, of course

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

But that is obeying the Rules.
The Rules are not the Law, but the ‘lawfare’ or weaponisation of the mind and of communication to deliver an outcome, to which life is sacrificed for a fantasy of control.
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-are-they-doing-this.html

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

My son is a cancer nurse and up until now has politely declined to discuss anything regarding the NHS but over the weekend after my rant about great reset ect he said exactly this to me he said it’s government arse covering they know any bad epidemic would show how much they’ve been cutting costs within the NHS over the last 30 + years it would over run the NHS and uncover how corrupt and badly run the NHS is

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Thought so. It has been bad planning, we have far fewer IC beds than most European countries and we don’t pay our nurses enough. Trying to call it ‘Our NHS’ just isn’t enough, I’m actually slightly terrified of getting really sick in the UK (touch wood I never do) and my experiences with most NHS GPs for minor complaints before I went private were abysmal.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Exactly this. Here in Northern Ireland we have one of the lowest ICU beds per head number in Europe.

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Here in the South West, the population has been swelling with no increase in hospital facilities or education places.Year on year there are appeals to keep away from A and E during the summer influx and every winter flu season, the same call. The money frittered away this year could have covered all these shortfalls.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

I worked in oncology for many years. The entire cancer industry (and it IS an industry) is worth billions and is a farce.

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stevie119
stevie119
5 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

I imagine that if you discovered a really cheap, easy and effective cure for cancer, you would be found naked in a zipped up holdall shortly afterwards.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  stevie119

Many great doctors found very effective treatments for cancers and they have been discredited, hounded out of their profession and some even killed. Imagine all the people that died unnecessary of cancer Case Dismissed! Texas Ends 15-Year Fight Against Cancer Doctor Burzynski After a 15-year long battle, the Texas Medical Board has officially ended its crusade to revoke Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski’s medical license in an effort to end the use of his pioneering personalized gene-targeted therapy for cancer Evidence has shown in the past that the FDA has pressured the Texas Medical Board to revoke Dr. Burzynski’s medical license—despite the fact that no laws were broken, and his treatment was proven safe and effective The Texas Medical Board (TMB) has a long history of harassing doctors. The entire Board was sued by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) in 2007, citing an “institutional culture of retaliation and intimidation.” Legislation was also drafted in 2009 in an effort to clamp down on the abuses by the TMB, but the bill failed to be passed into law Dr. Burzynski’s treatment also includes antineoplastons, which are peptides and derivatives of amino acids that act as molecular and genetic switches. They turn… Read more »

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

It isn’t dissimilar to Covid-19. They have persuaded people they need to suffer to defeat cancer. People actually welcome chemo and wear their baldness as a badge of honour. I’ve seen patients actually vying to have the ‘worst’ sickness. Chemo kills more than it cures. It’s vile. I knew, long before I got cancer myself, that I would never have rt or chemo. I kept to that, despite the most appalling bullying. I now only have a yearly blood count although that is impossible now GP’s are hiding from the sick. The chemo supporters claim to be alive because of it but the millions killed don’t have a voice. Cancer is now purely a multi million dollar industry. Even the so called charities are milking us.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  stevie119

Not quite but they punished David Noakes for daring to cure cancer:

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/gcmaf-and-persecution-david-noakes-lyn-thyer-immuno-biotech

See also World Without Cancer by G.Edward Griffin – for some useful background info re Big Pharma, which fits very neatly with the covid agenda.
NB The first edition was published in 1997!

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

The PPP is the elephant in the room – except there is no partnership – but the fronting out of a Corporate Capture – that those who sold us to a predatory system, have a ‘stake’ in. Cherished illusions become a democratic no-go area, and so the illusion becomes the trojan horse of our deceit. The capture is where cartel monopoly becomes the means to set the science and the narratives for funding, development, and undermining of checks and balances to its agenda to which the population and social structure is framed in and fitted. The theme is not new. But Rockefeller ‘medicine’ is a significant, marker for a medical industrial complex. We’ve been ‘had’. Far more deeply than we are for the most part ready to even consider. There is freedom to live the experience of our illusions, but not to make them true. A fake world is thus in truth, loveless – and must mask in virtue it does not have or embody – and protect its mask with outrage or grievance of offence. Freedom to choose self-illusion is also the freedom to release such a choice to let truth in, and break the terrible isolation that cannot… Read more »

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right2question
right2question
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

yesss

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

So we have to trash the economy and our social fabric instead?
Partly plausible and definitely unsurprising – but doesn’t fully add up.

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DeepBlueYonder
DeepBlueYonder
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Yes: I think this is why Jeremy Hunt is always so very keen to shift ‘the narrative’ to the issue of testing. He was Secretary of State for Health and Social Care from 2012-2018.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The ‘second wave’ is clearly a mixture of normal winter pressures; staff shortages due to staff testing positive, staff being classed as ‘vulnerable’ and union pressure; endemic staff shortage because, for years, governments have brought them in from abroad instead of paying to train our own; and a fear of being sued for the deaths and inoperable cancers caused by the totally unnecessary shut down in the spring. The ‘second wave’ narrative was worked into the national consciousness because there was always a plan to deal with the NHS resource issue this way.
It is also clear that the same plan was hatched across most of Europe which makes a mockery of the supposedly adversarial Brexit negotiations.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I see the mind clinging to straws – in fact anything – to not recognise its condition or being delivered unto evil or malign and malicious intent. The great fear that drives this may take different forms. But is the underlying purpose in the form of control – which is fear, masked over and projected out, away from self. The lure to wealth, power or fantasy fulfilment sets up it target for an invested identity that cannot easily be escaped such that persisting in what has revealed itself entrapping and corrupt becomes a form of survival, or the lesser of evils. This is clearly the behaviour of those who front out lies knowingly, who persist in insane and unreasoned word and deed knowingly – and present any masking presentation that offers any plausible escape from open intent openly revealed. They cannot say why they are acting as they are and yet the belief in the mask that protects from such exposure is all they have to save them from a greater fear than delivering us to evils they thereby hope to delay or mitigate or escape for themselves. Are we all in ‘Fear’ together? No – we are all in… Read more »

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right2question
right2question
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

love this, will listen. thanks for posting.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

Orwell and others are said to have warned us.
But does fear seeking to warn, actually operate as predictive programming?

I’d argue that, on the whole, the sceptics have read Orwell but the sheeple haven’t.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

2500 staff in Northern Ireland NHS are off due to Covid, either isolating or ill who knows. Then we might have a bunch on full pay who are vulnerable. Hundreds of police officers are also off as it goes.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Just to mention, check the international travel bit, because once again it has been presented as a ban, mainly by misleading media headlines (deliberately done so)but really isn’t strictly defined as such. Even the DT, put out such a headline, and then later in the article claimed there was no such ban in legislation. I had an email yesterday from Heathrow Airport, notifying me to check any restrictions on travel with a link to the government website. The section on travel mainly focuses on travel around the UK, and using alternatives such as walking and cycling. There is only one reference to foreign travel ‘if you need to travel abroad and are legally permitted to do so for example work’, but nowhere is there a list of what is ‘legally’ permitted. It seems that the so called ban on movement except for work, education or essentials, has been morphed to include all travel, unlike the first lockdown. However, in reality it is so vague and subjective that it is non-enforceable, just like the ‘reasonable excuse’. Deliberate, I think so, so that when the fall out starts to get really messy, the government can just claim they never said you couldn’t,… Read more »

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Agree. I remember the horror stories about Greek authorities turning people around for not having documentation on landing. Got there, was waved straight through. I’d take it ALL with a pinch of salt, not just the health stuff.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Good to know; thank you for pointing that out. 👍🏻

Consider me corrected. 🙂

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

It’s inconceivable that they are unaware about the unreliability of the test.This is the cause of ‘case numbers’ and quarantining of otherwise healthy staff.
Therefore Toby is being sold a pup.
They know this site is a Centre of opposition.What better way to neuter it than by feeding Toby false information..

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Mars-in-Aries
Mars-in-Aries
5 years ago

There was a time when we had fever hospitals, where those with infectious diseases went. Then it was decided in the name of efficiency and cost saving to close those hospitals and integrate fever patients into general hospitals. Large general hospitals was more efficient on resources. Now, the problem is that hospitals are themselves becoming centres of infection – something which was entirely predictable.
But here’s the thing. The NHS did not sell off those old fever hospitals. They are still there, repurposed for the most part. I can only think it does not suit the management elite in the NHS to do the obvious thing and have Covid isolation hospitals, leaving the general hospitals get on with their other work. They prefer to have the NHS on the brink of being overwhelmed so that they can claim more resources and more cash is needed….

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

That was the obvious thing to do when they built the Nightingales but they fluffed it.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

Wasn’t there a dispute about none of the trusts wanting to be the ‘Covid’ hospital?

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annie
annie
5 years ago

The Welsh Supreme Soviet seems to be feeling that you can’t push people too far:

However, Mr Gething said: ‘If we breach trust with the public and extend the end of the firebreak, having been clear it would come to an end, I don’t think people would be prepared to trust the government again and go along with what we want people to do.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927009/Wales-prepares-come-lockdown-Minister-claims-infection-rates-plateauing.html

(Gething is Wales’s answer to Wancock, about equal to the latter in the repulsivity stakes.)

Gething, of course, assumes that the people trust the government now.
Well, the zombies do. But they’d happily follow the First Lemming over a 1000-foot cliff. Maybe there are more non-zombies in Gulag Wales than I, or the Soviet, suspected.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

trust the government again

Again? As you say, Annie; they don’t trust you now, you twat!

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Stephen
Stephen
5 years ago

I have zero sympathy with Johnson being “bounced” into ordering a lock down.

Makes me think of the hapless Lord Lucan, who ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade, after he followed an order that the aide de camp allegedly miscommunicated.

His excuse to Lord Raglan that evening was that he had simply followed the order. Raglan reminded him that he was a Lieutenant General, and as such responsible not just for obeying aides but for exerting judgment.

Johnson is clearly not up to the job and needs such a conversation.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

Needs the sack.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

In the olden days it would have been a pistol with one bullet and a decent whisky.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Bad whisky would save the country money.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

He should be in the Tower.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

It’s really not too late to fess up and do a U turn. This is all bullshit unless he reverses the decision. But it’s not up to him, is it? The economy hasn’t been trashed sufficiently for the Not So Great Reset, has it?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

I am overall no great fan of Margaret Thatcher but can you imaging her being ‘bounced’ into a lock-down the way Johnson was? To me he looks increasingly awful every-time you see him, he reminds me of Father Jack from the TV programme Father Ted.
He is hugely let down by Hancock who barely has the managerial capacity to run a sock counter at a Department store. He should be the one bawling out the NHS and leading them to get their house in order, it should have been Hancock who clearly analysed the situation and advised Johnson that we do not have the full picture to make a lock-down decision. But he is the classic case of a poor manager promoted above his ability and unable to raise his game but is lost in a morass of micro-management with no overall vision or strategy and no confidence to lead in his own right.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Hancock would probably tell customers that his socks were actually beanies, even if they were bit small for their heads. He’d do it with a straight face too, ‘backed by the science’.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Jack? Hmmm…

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

GIRLS!!!!! GIRLS!!!! DRINK!!! DRINK!!! DRINK!!!

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

ARSE !
FECK !
GIRLS !

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Thatcher would of known what she was doing even Blair who I dislike hugely

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Feck, arse, nuns, ….gurls!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

To me he looks increasingly awful every-time you see him,

Don’t forget he has a reputation for drunkenness. I’m sure he’s probably hungover much of the time nowadays.

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Graham
Graham
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

I agree. The Guardian had a piece detailing how he went out of his way to get the votes, calling every wavering new MP and pressuring them to support the lockdown. Entirely possible IMO that Johnson staged the leak himself to deflect blame.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

Yes, the buck stops with Johnson. He is too lazy and lacks critical thought so he accepts the bad advice too readily. If he has any hope whatsoever of salvaging his career, and I do doubt that, then he must sack Hancock, Whitty and Vallance

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

As that weekend progressed, I was in little doubt that Johnson would announce a lockdown, and his announcement had an air of tragic inevitability about it. I’m entirely of the opinion that Johnson orchestrated the leak, and made it clear to Whitty and Vallance that they were expected to produce the most extreme figures and forecasts in justification. (I’m also of the belief that the introduction of similar restritions in France, Gemany etc. pressurised Johnson into following a similar lockdown narrative.)

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

Or Cummings

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

When Ferguson was revealed to be pinning a tail on his bit of grumble and the Mekon went walkabout that confirmed my scepticism.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

There’s something Henry VIIIish about this. Johnson appears unaware of how shameful it is for someone in his position to be so easily bounced – over and over again. Henry VIII so desperate to get rid of Anne Boleyn he doesn’t see that the allegations against his wife reflect on him.

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right2question
right2question
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

no moral compass. no centre. not grounded. as a student debating society he argued for no death penalty and then went back on and argued for death penalty (i read an account by someone that was there). he’s not got substance. it’s just ego and self interest.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  right2question

Devoid of principles, obviously.

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

One day it might happen Steve!
If you missed it in the round up our latest podcast is HERE!
A cautionary tale of the PCR Whooping Cough epidemic that never was. Many simularities to whats going on in our world now. Give it a listen!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

It’s easily within his gift to expand SAGE, replace his advisors, set up a Lockdown Revuew Group etc etc. Instead of shoring up the NHS with extra billions (including creation of an emergency auxiliary medical service) he’s squandered money on test and trace, PR consultancy fees and of course furlough.

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

No the problem can’t be solved by expanding Sage. A casual glance at its last reported membership on Wikpepdia shows that it now has over 80 members, a huge proportion of whom have no credible claim to have relevant knowledge of viral illness. Whitty and Vallance control its membership and, by implication, the narratives it emits. I’m sure we can all understand why Johnson cannot sack his 2 principle adviors at the moment, but he does seem to have written them a blank cheque to construct a massive echo-chamber to amplify their own thoughts.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

…. he’s squandered money on test and trace, PR consultancy fees and of course furlough.

Rephrase as: he’s pumped billions into the pockets of Cabinet chums.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

Johnson is the sort who would accidentally lead a infantry charge over a Cliff with Hancock Witty vallance cummins ferguson as the home guard

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

Instead, the press took the “poor Boris was bounced against his will” route.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

“Johnson is clearly not up to the job and needs such a conversation.” Bill Gates, whose greedy paws are sunk deep into the Pfizer vaccine, might not agree.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

Just read this in the Retail Gazette article:

The updated guidance stipulates that shops in England that have “sufficiently distinct parts” should close the areas selling non-essential items.
For example, grocery retailers can sell “non-essential” homeware if it is stocked on its aisles, but if the goods are on a separate floor, it must close off the area.
However, the guidance adds that shops are not required to cordon off particular aisles, which is what sparked the recent controversy in Wales when it went into a 17-day “firebreak” lockdown last month.

Beyond barmy. But the implications for supermarkets are, I should think, clear: put the knickers next to the baked beans, and the kettles next to the cucumbers, and you can sell what you like. Simples.

And message to bereft consumers: you don’t need loo paper if you’ve got the Grauniad.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Bizarre. Books and other ‘non-essential’ items are essential during a lockdown. Unless you are the Nazi party, when burning them was deemed a good idea.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Books are ALWAYS essential.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Chocolate too

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Weekly ration going up next week: 40g to 30g

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Ministry’s doing a fine job.
Boot production is up, too.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Another way to kill the retail sector eh?

If the big shops follow this and suffer as a result, they will have only themselves to blame.

I’ve been amazed at how quickly the big retailers such as M&S, John Lewis, etc have been to commit suicide with their craven kowtowing to the government’s insane diktats and even over egging the pudding with their zealous implementation and more.

Then since June we have been hearing of more and more shops closing and making people redundant. Show that these so-called Covid safety measures have not been helpful at all far from it.

We should never have been in this situation and these retailers deserve everything they get.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The big stores have been toatally craven. maybe in March they had an excuse, but doesn’t anybody in big business smell a rat over the data by now?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Exactly. Surely they would have known that something has long been amiss and their decline in sales and footfall should have alerted them to the fact that no-one wants to be treated like a leper and that these so-called Covid “safety” measures are nothing but a bad joke.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The directors of big chains will surely have had the ‘great’ reset explained to them, and been asked/warned not to make a fuss ?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

The cynic in me also thought that the big retail chains thought that this would be their chance to hoover up small businesses. Forgetting that many of them were already in trouble and under pressure from online only businesses.

This crisis is only accelerating their demise.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

When they went Woke. That’s when they were bought out.
Woke, covid and climate change all from the same sources and all have the same purpose.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If they have an online shopping facility, they won’t care. Think of the overheads they’ll save!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Don’t buy anything from the big online retailers. Put a dent in their profits.

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ianric
ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I feel the retailers should have been fighting in the first lockdown to stop being closed altogether. The forced business closures made no sense for many businesses. Clothes, electrical, furniture and bookshops are often very big and customers can easily stay a long distance from each other. In my experience these shops are never very crowded. Small shops can’t hold many customers at the same time. What was the logic of closing these businesses as these shops and had an environment which was not conducive to spread an infectious disease. The retailers should have campaigned against being closed on the basis of this. Hotels were another type of businesses I couldn’t understand the logic of closing. Guests stay in their rooms and don’t mix with each other. Hotels may have quiet periods with not many guests.

The purpose of lockdown laws was for the government to give the message “look at how bad this disease is. This disease must be really bad for us to introduce these draconian laws”. The more business the government closed, the scarier covid appeared and to reinforce this message the government was prepared to close businesses where it made no sense.

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muzzle
muzzle
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

In our town there is a market which is still open but the stall that sells school uniforms has been told to shut because it is non-essential. However, the school is still open so what are you supposed to do if your kids loses their blazer or tie.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  muzzle

Surely in this day and age computer and phone shops are essential.

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
5 years ago
Reply to  muzzle

They should sell apples for £30 each and throw in a free blazer with every purchase

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  muzzle

I could do with a pair of new shoes – the only ones I have which don’t let in water are my walking boots and wellingtons (first world problem, I know!!) Buying shoes online isn’t an option as I need to try them on before buying – I’m quite particular about shoes though not generally about clothes. I’ll check M&S but they have probably closed the non-food areas.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Edward

Plenty of the online shoe shops do free returns. Have a look at rubbersole.co.uk

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I think Lidl does that anyway. once found screwdrivers next to the frozen fish fingers.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

I’m amused by these strange juxtapositions, usually caused by people deciding they don’t really want something they picked up and just dumping it on the nearest shelf. My favourites were a picture hanging kit hidden in the towels and a DVD among the milk.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago

It’s worrisome that I might actually believe this 🙁

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

It happened in Italy in the time if the Borgias. Police in one city, I forget which, were empowered to feel up women’s skirts if they had reason to suspect the women were wearing sinful silk drawers. But, if the belief turned out to be erroneous, the policeman’s hand was cut off.
There were very few convictions

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

the policeman’s hand was cut off

You don’t mean by the lady’s… err.. how should I put this?

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Not sure. Got the story from a Jean Plaidy novel about Lucrezia Borgia. Plaidy was pretty careful about her facts.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The times are almost as savage

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I wasnt sure about the masked dog thing a couple of days ago. You just can’t tell any more can you!!!

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Will
Will
5 years ago

Can’t access LS via Google, anyone else having the same problem?

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I accessed it, no.1 in the rankings. I also saw this story from the Guardian ‘Editorial’ from 4th November which means it’s probably from one of its pharma sponsors…about the ‘dangerous Tory lockdown sceptics’ ie the politicians who voted against. What has happened to the Guardian, they have totally sold out!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/04/the-guardian-view-on-tory-lockdown-sceptics-a-dangerous-trend

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The Open Philanthropy Project is not an altruistic organisation…

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Lecter dressed up as Goldilocks

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2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I can`t even read their crap , not good for my blood pressure or my PC screen. 🙂
This was the final nail 7 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/31/snowden-files-computer-destroyed-guardian-gchq-basement-video

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Yeah – I don’t read it anymore. I used to like their sports coverage, which was the best of any newspaper (may still be for all i know) but I’d get dragged into the news pages and it was like some Orwellian nightmare. They are a fking weird bunch. Luckily they’ll go out of business soon.

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Mrs S
Mrs S
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The Guardian have been the in-house journal of the deep state for the past decade.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Mrs S

The Guardian they are wonderful. This is a blurb at the end of a Thomas Frank article last Saturday, November 7, 2020:
The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Top result for me.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Not today but they sometimes list everything but the main page in search options

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago

Really looking forward to listening to that podcast episode on the PCR false whooping cough epidemic – this is actually an article that I’ve probably shared more than any other in my quest to get people to question the current narrative: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html
Surprised it hasn’t been censored tbh! Even if someone don’t understand the maths behind Bayesian probability theory aka why most asymptomatic positive cases are false, they can certainly understand this!

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Yes, it’s an astonishing article. I read it a while ago and was quite amazed at how much damage it done. If it was you who originally linked it here, many thanks. 🙂

It certainly explains all the people in the NHS “off sick” who have nothing wrong with them.

Problem the government have is: they can solve the staffing crisis by stopping the constant testing of NHS staff, but then their ‘case’ numbers would plummet, then the game would be up.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

142 people were told they appeared to have the disease; and thousands were given antibiotics and a vaccine for protection. 

.

Then, about eight months later, health care workers were dumbfounded to receive an e-mail message from the hospital administration informing them that the whole thing was a false alarm.

Antibiotics do not work for whooping cough (Pertussis).

Dr Suzanne Humphries developed “the Vitamin C Treatment of Whooping Cough’. https://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/vaccination/the-vitamin-c-treatment-of-whooping-cough/

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

I’m a bit surprised by your praise of the Andrew Sullivan piece. Not quite brilliant. Interesting, maybe, but not brilliant. I disagree with Sullivan in many respects.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago

Yesterday on the Andrew Marr show in one of his interviews with one of the usual government “clones” Marr said:”There is anecdotal evidence saying that people are not obeying LD2 as much as LD1″
Really, Andrew, you really must try and get out more.
I think that irony and sarcasm were very much to the fore.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago

Not entirely sure I agree with the reader from Wales. Aside from any patriotic leanings, would I feel “lucky” to live in Wales and “unfortunate” to live in England right now? Certainly wouldn’t trust super micromanager MD.
Apparently in Wales “ With the exception of pointless face coverings, a “rule of four” in pubs and restaurants and daring to cross the border from plague-ridden England everything else appears to be guidance”.
Wait what?!?! That sounds idyllic! Get me there now 😂
The advice on not accepting a fine is spot on though 👌

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

That thought also crossed my mind – fallen into the psychological trap. Make things grossly intolerable, then relax a few bits, then have a situation that in normal circumstances would be considered grossly intolerable, but now seems not so bad. Exactly, what will occur in the long run, we are already seeing it with calls to move the lockdown, but nothing else, so we will still be left with all the other ghastly restrictions, but people will see the fact that lockdown has been lifted as a victory, and then the masks, distancing, limits on family visits etc., become more acceptable.

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The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

But how many people are obeying the rules? And will continue to obey them? I’d suggest more and more are ignoring them. Certainly in The second Welsh lockdown compliance has been limited/stretched. Everyone I’ve talked to has been taking a very liberal approach to “the rules”

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Will
Will
5 years ago

It would be interesting to hear an explanation from Mayo for the falling infection and hospitalisation rates and the plateauing death rate. I am intrigued as to how the T cell cross immunity deniers are going to spin the ONS/ KCL surveys.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

We all know it’s a very clever virus. Seems it can also anticipate lockdowns.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Twice!!!

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I can’t imagine now that there will be a third time.

But we’ve seen nothing yet: wait till we see how clever it is in getting round the vaccine.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

The WHO say that 80% of people will not get serious covid that requires hospital treatment. so for the UK that means 53.3 million of us are already immune/resistant to serious covid by some mechanism or another. That leaves 20% 13.3 million who could possibly get serious covid. Many of these people are already being careful and some may have had Covid and now be immune and so it may be we are running out of numbers of people? after all diseases cannot increase for ever, you eventually run of of potential victims.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The WHO is a tainted outfit

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Flip floppers.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. 🙂

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

“In a shock sign of how feared this mutant Covid strain is, all cabin crew and pilots onboard British Airways and Ryanair flights arriving from Denmark in the UK have been instructed quarantine for 14 days after landing – along with their families.
Previously, airline workers were exempt from any mandatory quarantine. The new restrictions mean staff members’ children must stay home from school for two weeks as well.”
If this is true from Daily Mail rather extraordinary.Some of scientists have played down the report of the mink virus saying that some of the mutations have already been observed in non mink related cases and the threat to the vaccine has been exagerrated.So why is the UK so extreme about it? They have placed all their eggs in one basket and want to roll out a placebo vaccine(with negative side effects)as quickly as possible to cover up their total incompetence.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

So why is the UK so extreme about it?

More and more people are starting to see through it, so they need their next scary story.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

New SAGE modelling suggests that aircrews are 72.9% more likely to visit mink farms in Denmark than in other locations.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

V good. 🙂

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Do they say how many of them will buy mink coats?

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Is it any more extreme then what the government has done to ~60-70 million people over the last 7 months ? Sounds like more of the same.

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Newquay Airport: Our terminal is temporarily closed, with all scheduled flights to and from the Airport suspended due to the impact of current Government guidelines on demand.

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alw
alw
5 years ago

Speaking to 2 medic friends at weekend. They would not have the so-called vaccine and will not be recommending it to any patients. Not sufficiently tested. Hopefully there are many more like this.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

A doctor friend said the same, and to be honest, it’s just basic common sense. The whole idea of having to dispense 200 doses a day before the vial (that needs to be kept very very cold) expires is nonsensical, especially since the guidance says patients need a 20 minute rest before venturing out. He said there wouldn’t be time to attend to anything else and nowhere for patients to rest. Another disaster coming.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

High time that doctors are reminded about their duty of care. Even if the pharmaceutical industry has been given exemption, anyone administering it still has a duty of care.
Just following government guidelines is no defence.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Great to know.

This RNA vaccine cannot be detoxed from the body. Once it is in our cells it is there forever giving instructions to our DNA – we do not know what kind of damage it can do over our lifespan.

We are all different and react differently to vaccines, some will show symptoms (including disablement or death) quicker than others.

How will you prove after 10 years that your auto-immune disease is as a result of this rushed out vaccine?

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I hear that these new vaccines will track recipients for at least 2 years in conjunction with Google and Oracle – purportedly to monitor adverse health effects. Reminds me of those sci fi movies where drones hone in on people whose tracking systems are in their bodies. Eek.

https://www.technocracy.news/google-and-oracle-will-track-the-vaccinated-with-incredibly-precise-tech/

Last edited 5 years ago by Sceptic Hank
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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

Re. the Manchester Protest article above:

Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain said: “I would like to use this opportunity to publically condemn this gathering. Both the organisers and attendees were irresponsible – increasing demand on police who are also responding to calls regarding serious incidents and people who are in immediate danger across Greater Manchester.

For instance; closing gyms, harrassing people sitting on benches, people trying to buy socks, people having a cuppa with a mate, walking on the cracks on the pavement, walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area, etc…

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

The police have soiled their own bed, now they can lie in it.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

The police need reigning in and reformed

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alw
alw
5 years ago

Disgraceful. Covid should not be used as a excuse to deny support and a fair hearing to parents and children when these difficult sometimes life changing decisions are being made.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/parents-appearing-alone-at-remote-family-hearings/5106161.article

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
5 years ago

JHB just interviewed Dr Simon Clark on Talkradio.

Apparently the young should get vaccinated to protect the very old and frail. The question I was shouting at the radio was…

Will the vaccine be 100% safe? If not, why should an 18 year old put their health/life at risk so that an 82 year old could possibly live for a few more weeks?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Dr Simon Clark

Is that that clown who writes shite in the Spectator? He needs a kicking, he does.

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Everything I’ve read about the vaccines under development says that they won’t be sterilising. They won’t stop infection or prevent people passing on infection. If that’s the case how would young people being vaccinated help the situation? Am I wrong about this?

(And of course why should they in any case.)

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

You’re not wrong: see my reply to Major Panic.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

This moron apparently doesn’t realise that the vaccines in development aren’t even being tested to see if they prevent transmission of the virus.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Typical propaganda. They have been using this type of slur for years to try and get all children vaccinated.

Always so funny when people with vaccinated kids ‘attack’ the non vaccinated kids stating that they are a risk to their vaccinated kids. What? If you believe that vaccinations work and your kid is vaccinated then he/she should be protected.

Immune systems protect us – that also goes for the 82 year old.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The demise of logical thinking is alarming. It should be included in every school curriculum around the world.

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Milan
Milan
5 years ago

Here’s an interesting article in the Atlantic from 2014. by Ezekiel J. Emanuel (oncologist, a bioethicist, and a vice provost of the University of Pennsylvania).
It’s a long and heavy read. It touches on important issues regarding very old age.
I don’t think the Atlantic would dare to publish it in 2020 (after March).

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Milan

Excellent points but some people live happy healthy and very active lives into their 90s – Douglas Harding is a good example.

For me, it’s about quality rather than quantity and I wouldn’t want to put a date on it, though I feel strongly that we should have a choice not to have our lives prolonged when Altzheimers prevents us from recognising our loved ones. I don’t want to put my family through that.

Probably academic now. I’m 67 and, no doubt, if dePiffle and Poppycock pull off their dastardly agenda, my days are already strictly numbered.

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago

I’ll believe that Boris really is “raging” when he fires someone and cancels the lockdown. Fires everyone if he has to. Until then it’s just the usual “please like” me bullshit we have come to expect from that self-absorbed twat.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Yep

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

I wish he would just fess up and admit it’s all a farce. However it’s becoming more and more obvious that there are darker forces at play. Once I would have dismissed this notion as complete rubbish, but I can’t think of anything else that explains the deceit and corruption that is going on at our expense.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

However it’s becoming more and more obvious that there are darker forces at play.

Yes, especially when a Tory MP (Sir Charles Walker) says this:

“I am not living in fear of the virus. I will not live in fear of the virus, but I am living in fear of something much darker, hiding in the shadows, and when the sunlight returns, and it will return, I hope that it chases those shadows away, but I cannot be sure that it will.”

You know there’s something wrong.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

That was a great speech. I’ll bet it resonated throughout the house and they were silently hanging their heads in shame. Oh well, here’s hoping 🙁

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

No – me neither – I literally can’t understand how we are still where we are? There is an absolute mass of evidence against the narrative. The media would be all over suicides, cancer deaths etc etc etc like a rash normally – and yet silence. It is still as surreal as it was in March – more so because of all the empirical data we now have.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Problem is the MSM, most of it is still sprouting rubbish and many don’t read between the lines

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

Or even the lines themselves I would suggest

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The problem is that even if they wanted to read between the lines they have been to an extent bought and gagged so won’t.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

That’s the thing. I confess to having been very scared myself in March. We didn’t know what we were dealing with. Now we’ve had 8 months to study this and the real data are there for anyone who cares to look. But they are just not looking are they?

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

The data was already there in March from China. It was clear what we were dealing with from the start. It was never close to being what it was claimed to be.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I wasn’t scared in December last year, I knew it was a con and all about the great reset even back then. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like everybody else did.
I was worried about the reaction to this woo flu. Those of us who were paying attention knew what was coming down the pipe.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

The Diamond Princess data was what convinced me this is a hoax.

I did some simple calculations and came up with 370k US deaths.

Even after classing all deaths WITH as deaths FROM the official count is around 2/3 of my calculation.

Thus, hoax.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

The problem is he has a copious need for money and the way to get that is to do the biding of the DS so that when he leaves office, the normal range of sinecured positions that come the way of an ex PM will do so.

If he doesn’t play ball (such as by declaring the whole thing to be a farce), he will lose the sinecures that would otherwise follow.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

did you watch the Downfall parody on yesterday’s LS? perhaps the funniest moment is Hitler/Boris keening, ‘I just wanted them to like me’

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Recusant
Recusant
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

It was great. “Please don’t sniffle or they’ll quarantine you”

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

Fwaaaahhhhhhhh!
BORIS
SMASH
SAGE
FWAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

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Ben Shirley
Ben Shirley
5 years ago

The stunt with the piper on Whitehall yesterday was a stroke of genius. He will have suffered a few bruises, but he will have raised awareness on a very large scale of the indoctrinated thuggery of which the police is capable. Very little is sacred to the British public anymore, but you do not mess with military veterans on Remembrance Sunday.

Plus, it puts me in mind of this beautiful song by Mark Knopfler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9IGELr5-I

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben Shirley

Does anyone know why he walked into the row of police though? – that did look a bit odd to me.

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The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

It looked staged to me, which doesn’t help the cause at all

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

That’s what I thought too. I didn’t want to share it on that basis – as it looked like he was deliberately pissing them off. I’m not saying that shoving someone is a good thing to do, but as we know there are 2 sides to everything!. Always have to look for them – now more than ever.

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

I disagree – it appeal to the exact same demographic who swallow the 4000 deaths a day nonsense without stopping to think. Fight fire with fire – I’ve seen a lot of people on social media who normally don’t have. a bad word to say about the government’s covid policy, other than they aren’t doing enough, getting upset by this. Those who know it is probably staged are either too deep in the lockdown cult to be moved anyway or cynics. That one is for the older people on the fence, and if it works, its good.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Yes, I wondered that yesterday – 50-50 I’d say. Odd how he turning into the police right in front of the camera – the only camera to have put up footage online as far as I know.

According to one report he’d been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and the he could enter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/remembrance-sunday-police-filmed-pushing-kilted-bagpiper-ground-veterans-protest-3029294

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

My feelings too. It looked like he was trying to break the police line by deliberate turning left into them. He did get an almighty thwack. I wonder if both sides knew that would happen.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Agree, it didn’t look great, there is a long video showing all the build up to the event and the veteran speaking later in the day.

But we need to think why would the UK establishment feel the need to stage such an event other than try to deliberately provoke civil unrest.

Also if the establishment cares about veterans and their safety so much why are there so many homeless veterans? surely they could have just allowed normal remembrance services.

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Ben Shirley
Ben Shirley
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

We can agree it was premeditated, as the piper had apparently delivered a speech earlier warning against the reality of a police state. Having laid out his argument, by eliciting violence from a policeman through non-violent means, he proves it true. Anyone watching the video will see that, while the piper might have been in the wrong in the first place, the response of the policeman is in no way proportionate to the offence given. The only people who won’t be moved by that are the lost causes who believe the rule are always right.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I watched it several times and couldn’t decide if it was camera angle or he deliberately provoked them. He could have walked twice as far before he turned.
On the other hand, it was one heck of a shove – and by two cops simultaneously.
I’m sure “they” will try to provoke violence to justify more draconian policing.

Last edited 5 years ago by Cheezilla
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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben Shirley

He was subsequently arrested.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben Shirley

I am surprised the police officer didn’t get put in a military chokehold for what he did, you don’t screw around with the Forces

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago

I’ve pointed quite a few people to this site, and also said how good the comment section is for all sorts of information and support.

Most of them can’t find the link to it on the page though – I know it sounds odd as it’s right under the banner. I think most people think I’m talking about the Forum’s rather than the BTL section, so don’t really look further. Someone I spoke to at the weekend is a regular reader, and hadn’t found it – only the Forums

Has anyone else found this?

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Maybe they should put it at the bottom too?

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Hank

I wonder whether that’s where they instinctively look – so you look at the articles, and then you think “I wonder what other people think” – and look at the bits at the bottom, yes.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Ideally they should pepper it throughout the site. Although I’m not sure if there is much more room for comments 🙂

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I’ve had this. I had someone tell me three times there was no comments link.

Some people can’t see their hand in front of their face; make sure you tell them they need to click the link that is next to the date.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I have done that and then they find it – they just can’t seem to find it on their own without the instructions.
Just wondered if it might be made a bit bigger or highlighted or something to make it stand out a bit. You lot deserve to be heard!!

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

It took me a few weeks to notice the comment link, and I’m supposed to be a programmer, FFS.

In my experience, a newly-arrived reader will work down the page until they either get bored and leave, or reach the bottom and want more. It’s at this point that we need to engage new readers.

I would strongly suggest to Toby that they put a big box at the bottom of the page with a comments link and a call to action, such as “See what people are saying. Become part of the conversation.”

(Forget ye not that Panscepticon provides a high-speed mirror of all comments, albeit with a lag for the current days news.)

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rose
rose
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I sometimes find the comments difficult to access. A click on the comments doesn’t always work. Quite often I can’t change oldest to newest. And even though I want to look at links I ‘m out off by the difficulty of getting back to where I was.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

What I want to get rid of is the irritating green banner at the top about the newsletter.

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Yes, that new banner is quite definitely irritating, last week’s change in its position is unwelcome.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  davews

Click the small white X in the top right and it goes away.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Well done Toby, the game is up

I could never work out how the test centres were empty but the testing and ‘positive ‘ tests rising

We now know, it’s an endless cycle of testing NHS staff

Imagine you are one of those members of staff. Once they test ‘ positive ‘ they fall under trap and trace. Their family and friends then get locked up

The tests are compulsory, so what are they going to do after a few cycles of getting their family locked up?

Stay at home on full pay?

Last edited 5 years ago by Cecil B
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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Cecil, I posted this a couple of days ago when someone posted about the empty test centres.

You see… NHS staff are Pillar 1, Pillar 2 are the general public (tested at home, or at the test centres), and…

Dido’s own figures would suggest that the test centres must be rammed all day!

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/932917/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w22.ods

Total tested: w/e 28/10/2020

Table 1: People tested for Covid-19 each week, Pillars 1 and 2: 1,530,529 (218,647 a day)

Pillar 1: 421,615 (NHS Labs)
Pillar 2: 1,108,914 (Lightbouse Labs)

Pillar 2: w/e 28/10/2020 (note: these are tests, not people; some people are tested more than once)

Table 4: Total tests, conducted by Regional test sites: 174,342
Table 5: Total tests, conducted by Local test sites: 145,426
Table 6: Total tests, conducted by Mobile testing units: 169,247
Table 7: Total tests, conducted by Satellite test centres: 506,215

Total: 995,230

I really cannot see why Dido would lie about this… can you guys?

Should add, I didn’t include home testing as it’s not part of the testing above; it’s recorded separately.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Where do NHS staff get tested? Could they be sent to local/ regional test centres?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Hospital staff are tested in Hospital; they are counted under Pillar 1.

pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England () labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers

The general public are tested with home testing kits and at those really busy test centres.

pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-data-methodology/covid-19-testing-data-methodology-note

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I’ m not being pedantic

However I just like to test to destruction what’s being said.as we have been conned so many times

The quote above could be read as only health and care workers with a clinical need

As routine testing of staff is not a clinical need for that member of staff………. do you see where I am going with this?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I do, and it’s not a problem, Cecil. I know you’re not having a go at me. You are quite right to question everything. 🙂

I know it’s not proof, (who can prove anything at the moment?) but I have a lot of friends, and work contacts, who are doctors/nurses working in hospitals. They assure me they get tested in the hospitals where they work.

Obviously, like everyone else, I don’t know exactly how the government are making up their figures, but, as you can clearly see from their own data tables, on their own official Weekly statistics for NHS Test and Trace (England) and coronavirus testing (UK) webpages, the numbers suggest the testing centres, where the general public get tested (Pillar 2), are very busy. They’d have to be to return the number of people they claim to be testing there.

Personally, I don’t believe any of it, if that helps. 🙂

Last edited 5 years ago by Ceriain
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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I can’t make those numbers add up. Surely if some people in pillar 2 are tested more than once then the total of tables 4,5, 6 and 7 should be greater than the pillar 2 number which says it’s people not tests? Confused.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

You think I don’t know that, Steph? 🙂

That spreadsheet I linked to is just about the most amateurish I’ve seen in my professional life, but that spreadsheet, believe it or not, contains their official reported data data tables.

You can find the full reporting page here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-22-october-to-28-october:

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Of course you do. I’m still a bit sleepy!
My husband is following the Essex data and creating his own graph to compare against the modelled prediction. He has the devil of a job to find the real data that makes sense because it is all published in a very amateurish manner, late and not at all clear. Data from weeks ago also changes spontaneously as they discover more cases or change their dates. Suffice it to say his graph is much shallower than any of the predictions and he has sent it to various MPs including our own.
We are both IT professionals with a background in MI and I have the honour of an Imperial College degree so we are no slouches. You’d almost think they are deliberately obfuscating things. 😉

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I’m still a bit sleepy!

🙂

He has the devil of a job to find the real data that makes sense because it is all published in a very amateurish manner, late and not at all clear.

Yep, been there, done that.

Data from weeks ago also changes spontaneously as they discover more cases or change their dates.

And seen that, too. I think that is why we (well, me anyway) do it; we can see when they change stuff. I’ve also pointed this out to my MP, not that it helps any.

You’d almost think they are deliberately obfuscating things.

Never! 😉

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I think we’ve reached the point where we know nothing we send to the Home Secretary (our MP) will make the slightest difference. My own last email to her was basically to tell her that as she knows the data is as dodgy as I do then she should vote against lockdown. I knew she would vote for.
All I’m doing now is making sure there is no opportunity for “but nobody told me this was all wrong”. They will just keep going now until it all implodes.
I’m very pleased to see so much non-compliance and everyone I talk to has had enough.

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Sorry for jumping in on this convo, but where is the best place for me to start looking at these for Brighton area?
I’d like to start doing the same to my Massive Pratt the Ginger Rodent

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

And the whole time the ONS is showing infections in the community falling.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

1.2 million NHS staff. So yes this could account for most testing along with NHS hospital attendees.

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Dominic12
Dominic12
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That is interesting as it contradicts the information I have received. The partner of someone I know works at the hospital and has said that while the staff are testing people all day long they are not being tested themselves. When that person wanted a test for a specific purpose some senior honcho was brought in to do it personally. I assumed that was because they wanted to make sure the test was done properly so there was no false positive as a consequence; but that is speculation on my part.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

All these reports about Johnson being ‘angry’ at having been ‘forced’ into a second lockdown are very clever media ploys from No. 10. Portraying him as the victim of unscrupulous ministers and scientists, and if it weren’t for them, he’d have all of the UK’s interests at heart and have made the right decision, promise! I don’t buy it. He is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. There are lots of bad actors in government who have all contributed to this mess but as for national lockdown decisions, the buck ultimately stops with Johnson. The Prime Minister has the final say and the final sign-off and it is literally his JOB to weigh up all the pros and cons of a policy on the British people and then make a decision. The SAGE scientists will only advise him on fearmongering ‘predictions’ because that’s their job, they’re not paid to consider the economic costs, and it is in SAGE’s interest to be as alarmist as possible. This is why it is so important that Johnson widens the pool of his advisors as soon as humanly possible because it’s clear that he is just not… Read more »

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Poppy hitting the nail on the head again.
Also let’s not forget that all the local lockdowns were as a result of the testdemic and nonsocomial (?) infections / positives. In Essex our stupid County Council actually begged to be put in tier 2.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

A lot of councils beg to be put in higher tiers just because of the financial support. It’s just sick. Clearly these good-for-nothing bureaucrats can’t work out that it doesn’t matter how much fake money a business gets from the government, someone will still have to pay back tomorrow what is squandered today.

Last edited 5 years ago by Poppy
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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

The money will not be going to business

It will spent on new carpet, covid marshalls, and restocking the Mayor’s drinks cabinet

95% of it will never leave City Hall

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Yes – to invert Bob’s cartoon from yesterday, They have given our tomorrow for their today!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

You hit the nail on the head again.It’s basically collective punishment in order to be “seen to be doing something” which is an abomination and is one of the root causes of many of the problems we’re facing today.

Johnson has shown himself to be incompetent, lazy, ignorant and easily swayed. All these reports that he was “forced” into it is bunkum and there’s certainly a stench of corruption hanging over not only number 10 but the whole of the state apparatus from Parliament down to the devolved governments and local ones.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

A clever cookie, our Poppy! 🙂

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Agree!!!!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Seems like lockdown 2 exists solely to make sure small businesses are finished off

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