Was Vaccine Announcement Delayed to Help Biden Win?

On September 22nd Matthew Lynn wrote an article for the Spectator that in hindsight looks rather prophetic – sort of:
It could be the most audacious piece of political theatre of modern times. At the end of next month, just a week or so before Americans choose their next president, we could see Donald Trump standing on the White House lawn in front of a handful of friendly journalists, rolling up his sleeve and looking solemnly into the camera with hardly a wince as a nurse expertly administers America’s newly licensed coronavirus vaccine. ‘We did it,’ he will announce, adding that the biggest mass vaccination programme in history is ready to roll out. ‘An American vaccine that has made America great again.’
Far-fetched? Ridiculous? Perhaps not. Even though trials of Britain’s Oxford vaccine were paused this week, others remain on track. Trump dropped the broadest possible hint about his thinking when he said on Monday: ‘We’ll have the vaccine soon, maybe before a special date. You know what date I’m talking about.’ If he rushes through a shot for election day he will be far from alone in twisting immunology in pursuit of ideology.
Was it fear of precisely this piece of political theatre that caused Pfizer/BioNTech to delay releasing the good news about their vaccine until after the US networks had called it for Biden? Donald Trump certainly thinks so. The Daily Wire has more.
President Donald Trump claimed on Monday that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and Democrats delayed releasing news on a potential vaccine to hurt his reelection chances.
Trump made the allegation on Monday evening over Twitter after news broke of a potential Pfizer vaccine for COVID-19 being authorized by the end of November. The drug manufacturer released early survey results of its vaccine, created with the German drug manufacturer BioNTech, showing it to be potentially 90% effective at inoculating against the disease.
“The [FDA] and the Democrats didn’t want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later – As I’ve said all along!” Trump tweeted.
However, Max Nisen, who covers the pharmaceutical industry for Bloomberg Opinion, doesn’t think it’s true.
In an interview with Axios, Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla said that the independent board monitoring the trials only began receiving data on the trial last Thursday or Friday, convened to discuss it Sunday, and that he received the information on the positive results later that day. They weren’t sitting on the data. If there’s any possible point of controversy, it’s in a recent change in the decision of when to start looking at trial results. That requires a bit more explanation, but I think it was wholly justified and not politically motivated. Bourla says that if data were available pre-election, the company would have released it.
Vaccine trials like this one are “event-based.” They compare the number of confirmed Covid cases among those who get the vaccine to those that take an inactive placebo. Pfizer planned early looks at the data to see if it was working after 32 confirmed cases, 62, 92, and 120 cases before conducting a final analysis at 164. That plan was controversial, because it was more aggressive and included a much earlier peek at the data than protocols put forward by other companies.
At some point – the companies haven’t disclosed precisely when or even if it was pre- or post-election – the developers had discussions with the FDA and decided to skip the first analysis. By the time they finished those discussions and looked at the data, there were 94 cases. It’s not clear if the analysis would have arrived before the election even without the change. What’s clear is that the company hadn’t hit the threshold as of Pfizer’s earnings call Oct. 27th – and recording cases and analyzing them takes time. Either way, waiting for more cases is a good scientific decision. Small sample sizes bring statistical bias, so a 90% plus efficacy rate after 94 cases is far more convincing than the same figure after just 32. On top of that, because of FDA safety requirements, announcing the results earlier almost certainly wouldn’t have led to an earlier authorization.
Worth reading the Bloomberg piece in full.
Stop Press: Giles Coren has written a terrific piece for the Times headlined: “Smug Brits for Biden had me warming to Trump.” Here’s an extract:
And the more my dearest friends and relations posted screengrabs of Obama’s creepy butler (“Lay the table in the morning room, Joe, the Clintons are coming for brunch”) edging ahead in Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, with little fist bump emojis, the more I started to mutter under my breath, “come on Trump, come on The Donald . . .”
A Vaccine Jab? After You, Prime Minister

A surprising number of Britons would be wiling to take the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine provided politicians take it first. That was the finding of a poll carried out by the Daily Mail. A whopping 74% of people said they either definitely or probably would be willing to take it, while just 18% said they would definitely or probably not be. But the sting in the tail, as far as the pro-vaccine political class is concerned, is that 43% of respondents said politicians should take it first.
Looks like Boris may have to do a John Gummer, who famously fed a burger to his four year-old daughter in 1990 to prove that eating British beef carried no risk of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
Apart from the amusing response to the political question, the Daily Mail poll makes for pretty depressing reading.
The poll also showed that Pfizer’s breakthrough jab was the best news of the year for many – and as significant as the fall of the Iron Curtain.
However there was a note of caution, with seven in ten feeling lockdown restrictions should stay in place for now…
According to today’s Mail poll the elderly, who are at greatest risk from the pandemic, are most enthusiastic about being vaccinated. A total of 86 per cent of over-65s would have it and only 2% of them would refuse point-blank.
The elderly are so eager to protect themselves against the virus that 56% would have the jab as soon as possible.
A total of 62% of all ages say they will encourage grandparents and elderly relatives to have the jab; 16% say they would not encourage them in this way.
Among 35- to 44-year-olds, who are much less at risk of Covid, a total of 63% say they would agree to be vaccinated.
Women, who customarily pay more attention to personal health than men, are more wary of the safety of the potentially revolutionary injection produced by Pfizer and BioNtech.
They say it has not been tested properly by a margin of 42% to 33. By contrast men say it has been vetted properly by a margin of 39% to 38.
Worth reading in full.
Shot in the Arm

So, the headline writers haven’t exactly been straining every sinew to come up with an original metaphor to describe the effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech announcement on the financial markets.
Nikkei Asian Review
Pfizer vaccine hopes give Asia markets a shot in the armal.com
Covid vaccine news gives stock market a shot in the armNikkei Asian Review
Pfizer vaccine hopes give Dow 800-point shot in the armThe Guardian
BioNTech’s Covid vaccine: a shot in the arm for Germany’s Turkish communityBarron’s
Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Might Work.
And that should give a shot in the arm to a health care niche that had…World First Foreign Currency Exchange
Pfizer gives sterling a shot in the armTechCrunch
Five VCs discuss the future of SaaS and software after Pfizer’s vaccine… news that one was coming was more than a shot in the arm — it was…NewsCenterMaine.com WCSH-WLBZ
The news, announced Monday morning, is a shot in the arm for public health …cbs.com
Watch CBS This Morning: Markets soar on Pfizer vaccine…
Stock markets got a shot in the arm after promising news of a vaccine and election results were announced.The Australian Financial Review
Vaccine news a shot in the arm for malls, officesThe Telegraph
UK growth to get shot in the arm from ‘game-changing’ vaccine
Not exactly “Headless Body in Topless Bar” is it?

Come on, you lazy subs. Raise your game.
Stop Press: Not to be outdone by the world’s headline writers, Matt Hancock used the same tired metaphor in the House of Commons yesterday: When “the science comes good”, he said, NHS staff would rise to the challenge – and “inject hope into millions of arms”. Michael Deacon, the Telegraph‘s Parliamentary sketch writer, is suitably scathing.
Jeremy Warner Sounds Note of Caution After Stock Markets Soar

Let’s not get carried away, says Jeremy Warner. The Telegraph columnist cautioned readers not to set too much store by the stock-market bounce the vaccine news produced yesterday. (The FTSE had its best day since March.) He says the economic harm caused by our Government’s panicky over-reaction to Covid will take decades to recover from.
There is still a slightly worrying lack of detail around the company’s findings, which have yet to be peer reviewed, and in particular, we can obviously have no idea at this stage whether there are any unwanted long-term side effects.
One of the treatments developed for countering Sars was later suspected of making recipients more prone to narcolepsy, though this may be just anti-vaxx scaremongering.
In any case, fear of side effects is why new drugs normally take so long to bring to market. After thalidomide, it is every pharmaceutical company’s nightmare; there has never been such pressure for a workable vaccine, but the last thing you want is to find that years later, recipients develop some horrific after-effect.
Already there are questions being asked of one of the Chinese frontrunners in the global race to develop Covid vaccines after final trials in Brazil were halted due to a serious adverse event.
The great bulk of developmental drugs fall foul of such upsets, and as a result never make it to market. It’s as poisonous to a pharmaceutical company to be selling something whose long-term impact on health is worse than the disease it is trying to combat as it is the unlucky recipient.
Big logistical challenges remain in rolling out the several Covid vaccines nearing the end of trials, and particularly the one being developed by Pfizer, which needs to be kept in deep freeze until used and requires multiple doses. Nor can we be sure how durable the protection is.
Nonetheless, to develop something with such an apparently high success rate in such a short space of time is an astonishing achievement.
Worth reading in full.
Hancock Grilled by Julia Hartley Brewer
The Health Secretary was so emboldened by the vaccine news, he decided to risk another appearance on Julia Hartley Brewer’s talkRADIO show, even though the last one – almost two months ago – was a bit of a car crash. This time round, even Julia’s pointed questioning couldn’t puncture the puppy-like ebullience of Hancock, so fired up was he by the news.
You can watch the whole exchange here.
When is a Placebo Not a Placebo?
A reader has emailed me to correct a sentence in my piece yesterday about the Pfizer vaccine.
On Tuesday it was mentioned in L.S. that half of those in the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine trials received a placebo. Unless a Pfizer employee comes forward and notifies us, we shouldn’t be too sure of this. A placebo is an inactive substance. In vaccine trials this would be a saline solution jab. However, we know that the young Brazilian volunteer who recently died who was in the Astra Zeneca control group had been given the meningitis vaccine. Yet this was glibly referred to by many in the media as a placebo. Another vaccine is not a placebo. In a paper written in 2017 by members of the Trial Unit at Copenhagen University it is made clear that the not giving a true placebo in vaccine trials is to mask potentially harmful effects of the trial vaccine. And it is common practice.
Is the New Vaccine Snake Oil?

As I said yesterday, I give a cautious welcome to the new vaccine. If you share my view that governments around the world have got themselves stuck up a tree by wildly over-estimating the danger posed by this virus, then this vaccine may be just the ladder they need to climb down. But Dr Malcolm Kendrick is less sanguine. He wrote rather a brilliant piece on his blog today that I’m reprinting in full below.
‘Ladies and gentlemen, roll-up, roll-up, roll-up. My new product, just brought to the market this very day, prevents ninety per-cent, yes ninety per-cent of all known things happening to you. Yes, a remarkable ninety per cent. Not sixty per cent, not seventy per cent, no…not even eighty per cent. But ninety of your finest American per cent – of things’.
‘What is a thing, madam? What a very good question, and by the way your child is a most beautiful young girl, is she not. And your hair, someone did a most fantastic job on that. You must have paid a fortune for such magnificent styling… you sir.’
‘You are asking how much it costs. Cost sir, now cost doesn’t come into it. I can promise that I will never make a penny from selling this product, this year…. Not a penny, as I promise on my mother’s grave sir, my mother’s grave.’
‘Lady at the back there what was that …you say that my mother is still alive, you met her for coffee last week. Gracious, she does get about doesn’t she.’
‘Back to you sir. Cost, this product .. it does have to be kept at a very low temperature, so valuable is it sir. The cost of the refrigeration unit. Now, that is pricey sir very pricey. Pricey indeed.
‘How pricey sir. I can tell you are a very clever man, there is no way I could fool you, is there. But pricey sir…made by top scientists, and they do not come cheap, no they do not. I wish with all my heart it were otherwise, but you cannot buy the product without the refrigeration. It would not make sense otherwise, would it sir. But you know, my good fellow, how can anyone quibble about the costs of keeping this remarkable product cold, when it will prevent ninety per cent….of things.’
‘But do not simply take my word for it. No. Here is a young lady who was injected with this product just the other day. Yes, just the other day. And do you know what… Well, don’t listen to me. Here she is…. big round of applause for this very brave young lady. Now Miss Fauci, for that is your name is it not… yes it is. You were injected with this very product seven days ago and what has happened to you?’
Miss Fauci: ‘Nothing.’
‘Yes, absolutely nothing happened to young Miss Fauci. Nothing at all. When you think of all the things that could have happened, and yet none of them did, did they. Well, this is remarkable, truly remarkable. No fevers, no loss of smell, no cough….?’
Miss Fauci: ‘Yes, nothing at all.’
‘Ladies and gentlemen, can you believe it. Nothing happened to this young lady at all after seven whole days.’
‘What was that madam, nothing happened to you either. Goodness me, you have been lucky haven’t you. You must be one of the lucky ten per cent. Here, have a free PCR swab to celebrate. Yes, keep it madam, its yours. Your day just got even better. Yes, have two, one could be positive, the other negative, we never really know do we. Ha, ha… my little joke.’
‘You sir, you still want to know what a thing is. Goodness me, you’re not one of those anti-product protestors are you. Our products undergo the most rigorous testing for safety, the most rigorous. How many, why, at least thirty people sir. We are not one of those fly-by-night organisations.’
‘You still want more information on things? Have I not just told you everything you could possibly need to know sir? Our product can prevent ninety per cent of things. If that is not enough to convince you sir, then I have not idea what else I can say.
‘Roll up, roll up. Only twenty billion for you, Mr Johnson – you know a bargain when you see one, don’t you. You’re certainly no mug, are you.’
Royal Society Calls For Anti-Vaxxers to be Jailed

Dr Kendrick could be in trouble if some top scientists have their way. The Royal Society – whose motto is Nullius in verba (take nobody’s word for it) – has called for people who disseminate anti-vaxxing “misinformation” on social media to be sent to prison. No, you didn’t read that wrong. Sarah Knapton, Science Editor of the Telegraph, has more.
It should be made a criminal offence to spread anti-vaxx myths and the public should report offenders, the Royal Society and British Academy have said amid concerns that baseless fears over a coronavirus vaccine will damage uptake.
A rapid review on COVID-19 Vaccine Deployment has called for people to be “inoculated” against misinformation, which can spread rapidly on social media.
Several countries already have laws against disseminating information that is harmful to public health, and Singapore has recently carried out four prosecutions for coronavirus offences under its Protection from Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Act (POFMA).
Under the same legislation, companies such as Google, Facebook and Twitter are also legally required to correct or remove misinformation.
Professor Melinda Mills, the Director of the Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science at the University of Oxford and the lead author of the review, said it was critical to address genuine concerns about the vaccine while preventing misleading facts from spreading on the internet.
“This information can be really damaging, and it’s clever how they spread it through memes and memorable things,” she said. “These groups are very skilled. They feed on fear, that little grain of truth, and they amplify it.
“It’s not very interesting when the Government produces passive web pages that say vaccinations are safe. The anti-vaxxers turn everything into a show – they put out things that are engaging, that are visual to their members.
“Social media channels try to capture this misinformation, but they can’t get everything and so it’s important that the public can spot it so that they don’t share it. Most people aren’t bad, they just don’t realise they are sharing a whole load of misinformation.”
Experts are concerned that uptake for a Covid vaccine will fall short unless more is done to address misconceptions on social media. Recent research has shown that around 36% of people in Britain say they are either uncertain or very unlikely to be vaccinated against the virus.
I couldn’t quite believe this. Does Professor Melinda Mills really think vaccine heretics should be sent to jail? I decided to do a bit of digging.
The press release about the Prof Mills’s report, written by Daisy Mallabor, begins:
A coordinated programme to combat anti-vaxx misinformation and encourage confidence in a COVID-19 vaccine is essential if a take-up target of eight in ten people in the UK is to be achieved, according to Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science Director Professor Melinda Mills, author of a report published today by the British Academy and the Royal Society for the SET-C (Science in Emergencies Tasking: COVID-19) group.
If you then click on the link, it takes you to the report – and the first thing you notice is that it wasn’t published yesterday. It’s dated October 21st. Turns out, it was submitted to SAGE for peer review 20 days ago, so not only does this “review” carry the imprimatur of the Royal Society and the British Academy, it’s also been signed off on by SAGE.
Sure enough, Sarah Knapton is absolutely right. On the final page of the report, we find the following paragraph:
Bring in legislation and enforce criminal prosecutions for spreading misinformation. Several countries have clearly defined information that is harmful and a threat to public health. A study of the three Asian countries (China, Singapore and South Korea), evaluating 5,000 news articles and policy responses revealed several main strategies to counter COVID-19 misinformation. A prominent strategy was clear legislation and punishment of those who produced and disseminated false information. The actual prosecutions were then shared regularly and prominently with the public in addition to persistent reminders of laws that could be used to prosecute those guilty of spreading misinformation.
Er, hang on a minute. Does Prof Mills actually cite the approach of the Chinese authorities to dealing with “misinformation” as an example of best practice? Yes she does. And in case you thought the inclusion of China alongside Singapore and South Korea might be a rare lapse of judgment, think again. Earlier in the report, Prof Mills again praises the response of the Chinese Communist Party to dissidents who spread “rumours” (yes, she actually uses the favoured word of the CCP):
An important practice is to promote media literacy and empower citizens to spot and report misinformation. Governments such as Singapore and China not only engaged in legal and authoritative measures to stop misinformation, but called for social support from the community to stop rumours and battle misinformation.
This is nothing short of astonishing. Is Prof Mills not aware of what happened to the Chinese doctors that raised the alarm in Wuhan when coronavirus was first discovered at the end of last year? For her benefit, here is an extract from the piece I wrote about it in Spectator USA:
On December 30th, Ai Fen, director of the emergency department at Wuhan Central Hospital, got the lab results back about one of her patients who had a flulike illness. The words she read on the report made her blood run cold: “Sars coronavirus”. She circled the word “Sars”, took a photo and emailed it to a doctor at a neighbouring hospital. Within hours, the photo had been sent to dozens of people in the Wuhan medical community. One of them sent a series of messages to a private group on WeChat, advising his colleagues to take precautions, and someone took screenshots of those messages and shared them more widely.
Had those doctors been working in another Southeast Asian country (Taiwan, say), the media would have quickly picked up on the chatter about a mysterious new virus and, within days, the authorities would have had no choice but to investigate. On learning of a viral outbreak, they would have then done their best to contain it.
But because this was China, the doctors with whom Ai Fen shared the photograph were arrested two days later, forced to sign confessions saying they were guilty of spreading false information and only released when they’d given an undertaking not to talk about the new virus again. The story made it onto CCTV, the state-owned television network, but it wasn’t about the emergence of a new disease. Rather, it was about a group of irresponsible doctors in Wuhan who had been punished for “rumour-mongering”.
Now, we don’t know for sure that the viral outbreak would have been nipped in the bud if China were a free country rather than a communist dictatorship – and those trafficking in “rumours”, i.e. telling the truth, weren’t immediately arrested and imprisoned. But we do know that by the time the state decided to act it was too late. After a Herculean effort to deny that SARS-CoV-2 posed any danger to the public, including persuading the World Health Organization (WHO) to announce there was no evidence of “human-to-human transmission” on January 14th, the Chinese authorities finally admitted there was a problem on January 23rd, imposing a cordon sanitaire around Wuhan and surrounding cities in Hubei Province. That was two days before the Chinese New Year holiday on January 25th; by that time an estimated five million people had already left the area and traveled to other cities in China to be with their families for the holidays.
So Professor Melinda Mills, in support of her argument that anti-vaxxers should be jailed, cites the treatment of “rumour-mongers” by the totalitarian Chinese Communist authorities – when precisely this approach resulted in the suppression of information which, had it been more widely known, could well have stopped SARS-CoV-2 in its tracks.
Had it just been Mills who came up with this hare-brained argument, that would be one thing. But her paper has been “peer reviewed” by SAGE and given the stamp of approval by the Royal Society and the British Academy.
Has our entire scientific establishment gone completely barking mad?
Has the Royal Society’s motto now changed to: Take nobody’s word for it, unless you disagree with us about the benefits of public vaccination programmes, in which case we’ll have you thrown in jail, just like those responsible custodians of scientific truth the Chinese Communist Party?
And if these authoritarians in lab coats can’t actually imprison those who don’t toe the line, they can certainly do their best to have them thrown out of polite society. In another section of the report, Prof Mills first affirms her belief in “freedom of expression” – eh? – and then, without pausing for breath, uses every low trick in the book to try and discredit the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration:
When those arguing on the basis of misinformation are brought in to media debates as supposed ‘balanced representation’ alongside mainstream scientists for sensation, this can undermine accurate information and result in confusion. This happened more recently in debates around herd immunity where a fringe group of scientists lacking evidence, a publication track record or concrete policy advice, were given a substantial voice.
I emailed someone at the Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science and asked them to put the following question to to the author of this report:
Prof Mills seems to have a tin ear when it comes to understanding the psychology of anti-vaxxers and those likely to be most receptive to their message. If anti-vaxxers disseminating misinformation are prosecuted, as Prof Mills recommends, surely this will just convince this susceptible group that the pro-vaccination authorities have something to hide and are frightened to meet their opponents in open debate. If Prof Mills believes in freedom of expression, as she claims, why doesn’t she believe in the principle set out by the Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, who said in 1927: “If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.”
More recently, this was paraphrased by President Obama: “The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression; it is more speech.”
I got the following response from an intermediary:
The report argues for “Openly addressing uncertainties about efficacy and safety”. It is important that people can express their concerns and the discussion should be based on evidence. However, those who deliberately seek to mislead the public with unfounded claims, such as the recent ‘monkey’ campaign reported on in the Times, should be tackled.
The particular piece of misinformation she’s referring to, though, which claims people injected with the AstraZeneca vaccine will turn into monkeys, is a perfect illustration of Louise Brandeis’s argument. If anyone sharing the ‘monkey vaccine’ meme is arrested and thrown in jail, that will have a Streisand Effect, increasing people’s exposure to it and endowing it with an underground credibility it doesn’t deserve. Much better, surely, for the advocates of the ‘monkey vaccine’ hypothesis to be allowed to set out their case in the public square where it can be comprehensively rebutted.
Behind this call for anti-vaxxers to be jailed is a fundamental lack of confidence in the intelligence of the British public. Professor Mills and her chums at SAGE think we’re a bunch of knuckle-dragging troglodytes who are incapable of being persuaded to take our medicine by reason and evidence. Indeed, there’s a tell-tale passage in the report in which Mills says it’s no good trying to use science to persuade the public to embrace a Covid vaccine – we’re just too stupid. Instead, the public health boffins should take a leaf out of the anti-vaxxers and appeal to our emotions:
There are several key strategies used by the anti-vaccination movement that are in stark contrast from neutral, rational and often complex scientific messaging. A stronger approach is likely to adopt the methods used by the anti-vaccination and conspiracy movement. This is centring stories on anecdotes which are personal and often highly-emotional narratives. This could be in the form of an ‘uneventful’ vaccination where nothing happened to provide security. A powerful and often used narrative is the ‘conversion’ of an anti-vaxx to pro-vaccination ideology. Examples of cases include previously anti-vaxx parents whose child was saved from a tetanus shot after almost dying.
It reads like a parody – Mr Spock telling the Vulcans how to get the Earthlings to mend their ways. Forget about logic; tell them scary stories instead.
The disturbing thing is that, until this year, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Dominic Cummings, et al, would have told these elitist snobs to get in the sea. Now, they seem to be completely under their spell.
Expect the Anti-Vaxxers Bill to be brought before Parliament by the end of the year.
Stop Press: A reader, Michael Staples, has emailed me a letter he’s sent to the Telegraph about this sinister development. As he says: “I write as someone thoroughly in favour of vaccination, but who is to say what is a ‘myth’ and what is a contrary scientific opinion. This is a very dangerous and slippery slope and would be a clear attack on free speech in a liberal society.”
Mass Testing by the Army Turns Out to be a Good Thing

When the facts change, I change my mind.
I was initially sceptical about the roll out of the lateral flow test by the British Army in the City of Liverpool. Wasn’t this just another huge waste of taxpayers’ money (£43 billion and counting), with sinister, authoritarian overtones? But no. Turns out, the new tests are far more reliable than the shonky PCR test and the Army are much less likely to ignore the protocols stipulated by the manufacturers. And that’s good news – brilliant news – because it reveals just how few cases there actually are in Liverpool. Practically none, in fact.
I was alerted to this by Dr Clare Craig FRCPath and asked her to do a write-up of what she’d learnt for Lockdown Sceptics. I reprint it below in full.
The army has begun mass testing of the whole of Liverpool city in a desperate attempt to find cases. Despite being set to work diligently and efficiently, they appear to be failing to find the second wave of the pandemic that is currently supposed to be hitting Liverpool the hardest.
Astonishingly, this new test has only found 162 positives after testing 23,170 people, which is only 0.7%. These are almost certainly all false positives. Tests rarely ever manage a false positive rate lower than this. The army has demonstrated, accidentally, that there is no remaining Covid in Liverpool.
Could some of the positives have been real? No-one knows the real world false positive rate for the army test (or the PCR test). The manufacturers will always use clear cut examples for both negative and positive groups so their false positive rates tend to be underestimates. When tests are used in the real world they encounter ambiguous situations that result in higher false positive rates.
Serious questions have been raised about the false positive rate of the PCR tests resulting from laboratories under immense pressure. The evidence that the PCR tests are resulting in misdiagnosis due to false positive results has been published before.
Positive test results in Liverpool have been sharply declining since the beginning of October, while other parts of the North West have seen positive test results plateau. Because of false positive misdiagnoses there is still a persistent rate of allegedly Covid-positive patients admitted to hospital, in intensive care and even Covid being wrongly attributed as the cause of death. If Covid was really driving the admissions to hospital rather than false positive misdiagnoses, then there must be cases in the community for people to catch the virus. The Government therefore has a problem. Where have the missing cases gone? Have the people of Liverpool had enough and stopped co-operating with the testing programme?
The army has been called to mass test the entire city. They were so determined to find these cases that they decided to mass test schools without first seeking parental consent.
Instead of using swab tests with PCR, a much faster test was used. Previous tests have looked for RNA (the viral equivalent of DNA that viruses use to reproduce). The new test (lateral flow test) finds Covid proteins from which the viral particles themselves are made. The manufacturers claimed that these tests are very accurate although there were questions about whether they could find every case. On this measure the most obvious explanation for their apparent poor performance in finding cases was because most of the ‘cases’ found before with PCR testing were in fact false positives.
Even better, these results are going to be cross checked with “gold standard” PCR testing. The worst performing laboratories have a positive rate of 20% for PCR. So even in a worst case scenario only 20% of them will test positive in these laboratories which will drop the number they can claim are real Covid ‘cases’ even further.
The ONS carry out random population screening to determine how many Covid ‘cases’ there are currently in the population. They do this using PCR tests in the same laboratories as community tests which are therefore subject to the same serious false positive problems. For this reason, the regions with laboratories with the highest false positive rate have the highest ONS predicted case rate and the most ‘cases’ in community testing. The ONS predicted 2.2% of the population of the North West had Covid in the last week of October. Their prediction for the week of November 1st to 7th will be published on Friday 13th. Assuming the later prediction is not dramatically different to before, this means that the Army tests have shown only one third of the ONS predicted cases. The Government will be left with a choice when faced with the gap between the 2.2% figure from PCR testing and the 0.7% figure found by the Army using the new test:
- They could argue that cases fell by two thirds, from 2.2% to 0.7% in a week, and risk being proved wrong with the next round of ONS testing.
- They may claim that these new tests are missing two thirds of cases, and then be forced to abandon the new test as defective. They will then be left with the contradiction of there being no cases being diagnosed in the Liverpool community, but apparently continuing problems in hospitals where everyone is tested.
- They will have to admit that the 0.7% test is actually more accurate and that therefore there are serious problems with false positives from the PCR test results and finally start addressing those problems.
Every medical student has it drummed into them that they must treat the patient not the test results. The Government needs to take a look at the nation as a patient and stop treating the tests. Symptom trackers show symptoms back at baseline; accident and emergency attendances for acute respiratory infections are below normal, hospital admissions, intensive care bed use and hospital mortality figures are all normal for the time of year. The patient is better, but the treatment is toxic and it has to be stopped.
Wales Scraps GCSEs and A-levels

Bad news for Welsh kids: no exams next summer (more on why it’s bad news below). The Telegraph has more.
End of year exams in Wales will be scrapped in 2021, Welsh education minister Kirsty Williams has announced.
GCSE, AS-level and A-level exams will be replaced by coursework and assessments amid ongoing disruption to schools caused by the coronavirus.
Ms Williams said the ongoing pandemic made it “impossible to guarantee a level playing field for exams to take place” and the decision “removes pressures from learners”.
She said: “The well-being of learners and ensuring fairness across the system is central in our decision-making process.
“In line with the recommendations of both Qualifications Wales and the Independent Review, there will be no exams for GCSE or AS level learners next year. A-level students will also not be required to sit exams.
“We remain optimistic that the public heath situation will improve, but the primary reason for my decision is down to fairness; the time learners will spend in schools and colleges will vary hugely and, in this situation, it is impossible to guarantee a level playing field for exams to take place.”
Why is this bad news? I’ll let David Mackie, the Head of Philosophy at d’Overbroeck’s, Oxford, explain. He wrote a magisterial piece for Lockdown Sceptics last week ago about why cancelling exams this year was a catastrophe. Here’s one of his arguments:
My heart sank when I heard the announcement, which I knew would be an instant disincentive to my Upper Sixth students: it would make it far harder for them to make further progress in the normal way. The final few months of A-level courses can in many cases be the most valuable, for it is in this period that students, having covered the individual elements of the syllabus, can make important intellectual strides forwards. This is certainly true in my own main subject, Philosophy, for in consolidating their learning through revision, students often identify and properly appreciate, sometimes for the first time, the way in which ideas and arguments studied in one area of the syllabus complement their understanding, and suggest new lines of approach, in other areas. It is in these final weeks of the course that students most often achieve a deeper understanding of the subject as a whole, form well-reasoned opinions of their own, and start to make the step from being students of Philosophy to becoming philosophers.
For students expecting to sit A-level exams in 2020, the unnecessarily early timing of the announcement wiped out, at a stroke, most of the educational value that might have been gained from the remaining weeks of the Spring term and all of the Summer Term – amounting to almost one-sixth of a Year 13 student’s A-level experience.
David’s piece is very much worth reading in full.
The problem with the Welsh executive taking this decision is that it puts pressure on the other three nations to do the same. Why? Because Welsh students’ grades will inevitably be inflated as a result of this decision – in England, the percentage of A-level students gaining A* or A rose from 25.2% in 2019 to 38.1% in 2020 – which will mean they’ll be at a competitive advantage when it comes to getting into British universities if the other nations don’t follow suit.
Another Letter From a Disillusioned Labour Voter

A lifelong Labour voter, has forwarded a letter he sent to his MP Lucy Powell. The list of lockdown harms he’s appended to the end was originally posted in the comments on Lockdown Sceptics. Glad to see it’s been put to such good use…
Dear Lucy,
I was dismayed to see that along with the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party, you supported the Government’s second lockdown motion last week.
The catastrophic effects of the first lockdown on national health, wealth and happiness have been viscerally experienced by millions of people and thoroughly documented. Nothing short of a return of the Black Death should have required the country to be shut down for a second time.
The Government used flawed assumptions based on out-of-date data to underpin its argument for a second lockdown, something that was widely known before the first vote was cast and which was subsequently confirmed by the Government itself.
Whitty and Vallance’s exaggerated scenarios and the disastrous consequences of the first lockdown ought to have been enough to have persuaded you to vote against the Government, not to mention the unreliability of PCR tests, the misuse of the term ‘case’, NHS data showing that hospital intensive care is no busier than usual for the time of year, the low IFR of the virus, and its downgrading from HCID status in March.
Yet despite all this, we were treated to the grotesque spectacle of a Labour Opposition – a Labour Opposition – shuffling in line to vote for a Tory bill that will throw thousands of people out of work, destroy thousands of businesses, deepen the personal misery of millions and drag the country further into the abyss.
I live in a predominantly Labour-voting community in north Manchester. I have always voted Labour. My parents voted Labour, my grandparents voted Labour. Most of my family and friends vote Labour. Energised by Labour’s return to the politics of democratic socialism, I re-joined the Party prior to the 2019 General Election. I have been a political activist and trade unionist for all of my adult life.
But I will never vote Labour again. Moreover, I will devote the greater part of my activist energy, which is prodigious, to persuading everyone in my extensive circle of family, friends and comrades never to vote Labour again. I know many people who feel exactly the same way and they in turn will carry this message into their own networks. From now on I will vote for any candidate or party that opposes lockdowns and seeks to restore this country immediately to pre-March conditions.
The tide is starting to turn. People who were out clapping for the NHS in April and May are now saying that they feel that they have been lied to about the severity of the virus. They understand that the measures being taken by the Government and cheered on by the Labour Party are totally out of whack with the reality of SARS-CoV-2. They believe that deeper political and economic forces are at work.
Anger is growing. New political formations will emerge. The current political class has discredited itself beyond repair. The Labour Party, which could have performed such a service to the nation by taking even a modestly critical position on lockdowns, is seen as being as much a part of the problem as Johnson and the Tories.
I have appended a list of some of the myriad consequences (all dire) of the decision to shut down the country earlier this year. I am sure that you are aware of many of them and weighed them in the balance before voting last week but I thought that it might be useful for you to have a record to hand should you be asked to approve yet another lockdown in a few weeks’ time.
Many of the numbers in the list will soon have to be revised upwards, of course, thanks to your decision to condemn the country to a second round of immiseration.
Yours sincerely,
XXXXXX XXXXXXX
- 25 million GP appointments lost (source: Care Quality Commission)
- 3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
- 350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred (source: Cancer Research UK)
- 986,000 women not screened for breast cancer (source: Breast Cancer Now)
- Nearly 2 million waiting >18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
- 111,026 patients waiting >1 year for treatment (source: NHS England)
- AMD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
- 1 in 10 mental health patients has been waiting 6 months for help (source: Royal College of Psychiatrists)
- The number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ has doubled since February – now 8.5 million (source: Royal College of Psychiatrists)
- Off-licence alcohol sales are up 24.2% with beer sales up 66% (source: Kantar)
- 48% of UK respondents increased alcohol consumption and 54% increased drinking frequency (source: Institute of Alcohol Studies/Global Drug Survey Special Edition)
- Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown (source: Samaritans)
- Calls to domestic abuse helplines have surged (source: Refuge – For Women & Children Against Violence)
- 750,000 jobs lost March-August (source: ONS)
- 11,120 chain store outlets closed January-June (source: Local Data Company and PwC)
- 45% of businesses have less than six months’ cash reserves or none (source: ONS)
- 673,000 fewer workers were on payroll in August compared with March 2020 (source: ONS)
- Record fall in GDP (21.8%) during first half of 2020, greater than France, Italy, Canada, Germany, US and Japan (source: ONS)
- Public borrowing of £173.7 billion in the first five months of the financial year – more than triple all borrowing for entire previous year (£56.6 billion) (source: ONS)
- UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever (source: ONS)
- 33% of adults reported high levels of anxiety (source: ONS)
- Charities face £12.4 billion loss of income (source: Chartered Institute of Fundraising [IoF] and the Charity Finance Group [CFG])
- Graduates less likely to find work/internships: 49% of small and medium sized businesses have cancelled internships or work experience, whilst 29% of larger firms have (source: The Sutton Trust)
New, 50-Strong Group of Sceptical Tory MPs is Formed

This is more like it. Last night, a group of 50 Conservative MPs had joined something Called the Covid Recovery Group – CRG, inevitably, because it sounds like ERG – led by former Chief Whip Mark Harper and Brexit firebrand Steve Baker. The Telegraph has more.
By last night, 50 Tory MPs had formally joined the anti-lockdown group, with another 45 MPs considering membership after joining a special WhatsApp group to coordinate the work of the group.
The group will be seen in Westminster as an echo of the European Research Group, a grouping of Tory MPs who were successfully whipped by Mr Baker to oppose Theresa May’s Brexit deal in the last Parliament.
It will also be considered a response from backbench Conservative MPs to the decision by Nigel Farage to apply to the Electoral Commission to rebrand his Brexit Party as a new anti-lockdown party called Reform UK.
Mr Johnson has repeatedly said that England will return to a series of regional lockdowns after the national restrictions end on Dec 2nd. But the group will be a headache for Mr Johnson if he tries to pursue a third national lockdown, and needs Labour votes to pass it through the Commons.
Backbench Tory MPs were infuriated last week to be asked to vote for the national lockdown based on inflated death forecasts, which then were quietly revised down after the lockdown came into force.
Mark Harper, the Chairman of the group, has written an op ed piece for today’s Telegraph in which he sets out the three main aims of the group.
First, the Government must undertake and publish a full cost-benefit analysis of restrictions on a regional basis. Lockdowns and restrictions cause immense economic, social and non-Covid health damage.
Covid is a deadly disease but we must give equal regard to the most lethal killers we face today – cancer, dementia, heart disease, and, for under 40s, suicide, to people’s mental health, and to the health implications and consequent mortality of falling GDP. Restrictions should be removed immediately if it cannot be shown that they are saving more lives than they cost.
Second, it’s time to end the monopoly on advice of government scientists. Everyone is working under tremendous pressure and we are learning more about Covid every day. But prevailing expert scientific opinion must be challenged by competitive, multi-disciplinary expert groups. Government should publish the models that inform policies so they can be reviewed by the public.
Fundamental methodological issues with epidemiological modelling could be avoided if a range of competing expert groups are given a seat at the table and if the Government ensures that all critical Covid-related policies are underpinned by at least three independent expert opinions, all of which are published ahead of the next vote on restrictions in Parliament.
Finally, we must improve the measures we already have to tackle the virus, including significantly boosting the performance of NHS Test and Trace by shifting resources to local public health teams to lead contact tracing, and by expanding the NHS’ surge capacity.
The current system has been reaching only 48 per cent of the contacts of those who have tested positive, yet SAGE says that for the system to be effective, it needs to reach 80 per cent. We must transform the effectiveness of NHS Test and Trace so that we have another tool to help prevent repeated cycles of damaging lockdowns and restrictions.
This is an extremely promising development which will make it much more difficult for Boris to renege on his promise to take us out of Lockdown 2.0 on December 2nd, particularly if a further 45 MPs join up.
Stop Press: The Covid Recovery Group should all read the latest piece by Prof Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson in the Spectator about the nine worst COVID-19 biases. It’s an absolute corker.
Round-Up
- “It Was a Mistake to Close Schools, UK Study Concedes” – Jeffrey A. Tucker on the AIER blog discusses a new study, involving 12 million people, which shows that closing schools in March had zero impact on the transmission of the virus
- “Plunge in foreign-born workers as Covid destroys jobs” – Unemployment surges to 4.8% while redundancies soar by 181,000 in the three months to September
- Sceptics testify before Treasury Committee – Watch some of the world’s leading lockdown sceptics testify before a Treasury Committee on Parliament TV
- “Give three-month freedom pass to people who have recovered from Covid, says top No 10 adviser” – Sir John Bell, Regius Chair of Medicine at the University of Oxford, says people who “behave themselves” after being told to self-isolate should be rewarded with a three-month “freedom pass”
- “The vaccine is no excuse for continued lockdowns” – Good piece in Spiked by Rob Lyons warning us not to have any truck with those who want to double down on lockdown restrictions because a vaccine is “imminent”
- “Pfizer’s Covid vaccine is a victory for the free market” – Matthew Lynn in the Spectator says Pfizer/BioNTech’s success is a tribute to capitalism
- “The devastating impact of lockdown on our children goes well beyond the closure of schools” – UsForThem co-founder Molly Kingsley on how lockdowns have taken away everything that makes life worth living for kids
- “The second wave peaked before lockdown began” – Matt Ridley points out that a range of statistics suggest the number of cases was under control before Thursday’s nation-wide shutdown
- “The scenes of mayhem in Cardiff as shoppers pack into the city centre” – WalesOnline with some choice footage of shoppers thronging the streets of Cardiff now the 17-day ‘fire break’ is over
- “Adult physical activity falls by a quarter since lockdown” – Alarming piece in the Independent about the fall in the number of steps per day we’re all doing
- “Are Indians more immune to COVID-19?” – Soutik Biswas, the BBC’s India correspondent, speculates that Indians have better immune systems because they eat less hygienic food and have to contend with unclean water
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “A Shot in the Arm” by Wilco.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, I’m flagging up Charles Moore’s excellent column in the Telegraph in which he asks why the National Trust continues to be in thrall to Black Lives Matter.
I do feel for the National Trust. Its membership is falling fast, and its earnings faster. The shortfall is £227 million this year. This is not the trust’s fault, but Covid’s. Most staff – including its director-general, Hilary McGrady – do genuinely care for the buildings and places for which they are responsible.
I also agree with the trust that it is wrong to argue it should simply not inquire into the history of its properties lest discreditable stories emerge. The fact that some were built with money from slavery should not be – and, by the way, never has been – a secret. The same applies to other past wrongs. Who could sensibly tell the story of Fountains Abbey without recording that it was forcibly seized from the Catholic monks who owned it?
The problem with the trust is naivety. It has been rolled over by extremists who care nothing for the membership or the collection. At the angry virtual AGM on Saturday, many NT members protested indignantly at the disrespect shown to former occupants of trust houses, such as Winston Churchill. They attacked the trust for seeming to accept the agenda of Black Lives Matter (BLM), following the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. In reply, Tim Parker, the trust’s chairman, defended BLM as “a human-rights movement with no party-political affiliations”.
Mr Parker is beside the point. No one has ever accused BLM of party affiliations; and I fear that almost all pressure groups invoke human rights. The general point about BLM is that it is a hard-Left campaigning organisation, committed to defeating capitalism, “defunding” the police, destroying the “nuclear” family and rejecting white people’s capacity to understand racism – a view which is itself racist. BLM is an extremist movement which flirts with violence.
The more particular point about BLM is that it bears no relation to the National Trust. It is an activist player in the American race war, not a heritage body. I bet very few of its supporters are National Trust members. Even on issues such as slavery or colonial history, BLM has no reliable body of knowledge, since it is not a scholarly organisation. It therefore has nothing to contribute to a charity whose statutory purpose is to look after “places of historic interest or natural beauty”. It has no standing on gardens, landscape, agriculture, architecture, furniture, textiles or paintings, any more than does the National Trust on policing American cities.
In a recent blog, the trust’s director of culture and engagement, John Orna-Ornstein, writes: “Cumulatively they [the trust’s properties] are quite simply the nation’s most significant cultural collection. And the trust’s primary purpose will always be to care for and cherish them on behalf of the whole nation.” Yet at the AGM, he also said that the current anti-“colonialism” makeover of trust properties was “a normal part of our continually changing interpretation of our houses”. There is an unsustainable contradiction here. How can the trust “cherish” the “nation’s most significant cultural collection” and yet give in to BLM-style attacks on it?
Tomorrow, MPs will debate the future of the National Trust. I hope they do not waste time chuntering against “woke nonsense”. This is not just about verbiage. It is about whether the National Trust can be nationally trusted.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.
The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 650,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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“Was Vaccine Announcement Delayed to Help Biden Win?” Like the vaccine was a positive thing. But wait: “As I said yesterday, I give a cautious welcome to the new vaccine”. Ironically, in a story that uses “snake oil” in the title.
And now, empowered supposedly by the coin that you people give it, this site is hiring.
Astonishing.
The Oxford-AstraZeneca trial illness: one that only appears to have been caused by the vaccine?
Hello – tory Chief whip has 203 proxy vote for MPs. Democracy dead
Beyond Crucial Update on Viral Issue – and Lockdown “Science”!
11 Nov 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mboEkVl9ooc
Title says it all. Please share this one as widely as possible, especially if you are interesting in saving the society of Ireland, the UK and Europe! (If not the world)
Ivor Cummins
I was really alarmed to read this one. This is my MP (Stuart Andrew – Deputy Chief Whip, not Chief Whip), and I wasn’t aware of the extent of his proxy votes when I wrote to him before the lockdown vote. I’ve since been fobbed off with a generic response around protecting Our Beloved NHS. Haven’t responded to him yet, but this makes it all the more important. Any suggestions are more than welcome!
But surely others need to write to their own MPs, demanding to know why they’ve delegated their votes en masse to a member of the Executive!?!
I would say that the statement you posted yesterday from Barry Norris pretty much points to the likeliest scenario being that Pfizer did indeed withhold the vaccine until after the election. And i don’t buy the excuse of the board receiving the results on Thursday. How long before Thursday have those results been available?
The point is not the irrelevance of the demise of the Tosser Trump who never had the popular vote in a split nation, anyway, and who would whine, anyway, on any fabricated grounds, anyway.
The point is that there is no way that a vaccine can be announced as ‘safe’ in this timescale, and needs to be treated with due suspicion.
That’s “the point” for you, because you hate Trump both personally and politically.
But for others who don’t share that position and support a Trump win either because they prefer him to Biden generally, or because they see a Trump win as vital in the struggle against masking and coronapanicking, or just because they hate to see exactly the kind of establishment/big tech/mainstream media types who ave pushed the coronapanic on us win yet again via their massive propaganda spend and media bias, the point made by CristiNeagu is “the point”.
I’m not a Trump supporter but based on what I know of his opposition and the immense amount of consolidated power they have, I would say beyond doubt that this was deliberate.
Agree.
I was dismayed when Trump was elected in 2016.
I was dismayed when Biden was elected in 2020.
I gradually changed my mind about Trump when I recognised that he was against the US establishment and that it was an ugly, corrupt beast.
He tried to fight the Deep State and the MIC machine.
His anti-globalist, anti-woke, anti-war and anti-climate change, positions I also liked.
I’m not sure he quite had enough to kill the monster, and he made some terrible mistakes, but he gave it his best shot.
After 8 years of Obama and Biden the democrats thought Hilly Clinton was their best answer, after 4 years of trump the majority of the US seem to think the candidate who was not as good as Clinton is now the answer.
Funny old world.
Trump did make all sorts of mistake, for sure, but terrible ones? What do you mean?
Yawn. Yet another Trump teen bopper. SAD!
Yawn. Yet another Trump teen bopper. SAD!
The point is that there is no way that a vaccine can be announced as *effective* and ‘safe’ in this timescale, and needs to be treated with due suspicion. I strongly agree, unless of course the ‘effective’ component is jettisoned out of political necessity to promote a safe (if ineffective) remedy for their massive overreaction to a not very dangerous – for the majority – pathogen.
‘Tosser Trump’…so much for your calls for people on here not to be political Rick. Practise what you preach for once.
Rick, do you consider it to be a coincidence that the political forces most opposed to Trump are the same political forces, which are most actively pushing all things covid.
Rick hasn’t thought about that, obviously.
Less thought – more like emotional, knee-jerk reaction.
Leaving aside what you say about Trump, you are of course correct in what you say. The vaccine is both rushed and unnecessary, a very dangerous combination.
MRHA expect a high volume of adverse reactions. Official..
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AHTML&src=0&fbclid=IwAR1uYFVlq4BpcPj6vwfYkhVFIxl8mcIvyWqqh1XGS2HdvJiVp0pABIh7AQk
Interesting how all anti-Trump people keep mentioning the popular vote like it matters at all… almost like you all read the same garbage produced by the same propaganda machine…
Really don’t get why some can’t see through Trump who has had no strategy to speak of. Certainly not the Great Barrington Declaration as that requires good health care and benefits for the vulnerable.
The primary responsibility for public health is with the States and not the President. I would agree Trump could have presented a more coherent approach, but he is in a very tricky position. In the context of the USA , an attempt by the US president to implement the GBD would be a political disaster.
And you say this, KNOWING how dangerous the opposition bunch are. That’s what I call true blind ignorance.
It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.
Mark Twain
Did Mark Twain ever say that or have you been fooled?
“It is easier to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled.
No man’s life, liberty, and property are safe while the legislature is in session.”
Ok, it’s good news there is an opposition group forming, ie the CRG. However, the fact they are still calling this a ‘deadly disease’, ( survival rate of 99.96% does not equate to deadly) makes me question how well informed they are. Considering the apparent lack of knowledge by MPs, if the responses recorded on the comments section is anything to go by, I wonder how well informed the members of this group are. Calling a seasonal respiratory virus deadly, the average age of death 82, and equating it to illnesses such as cancers which affect all age groups, seriously makes me doubt their competence to be any serious opposition to the government’s and SAGE propoganda machine.
Agree. If they parrot this misinformation about how “deadly” this supposedly unprecedented virus is, doesn’t this somewhat undermine any criticism of the government’s response to it.
It is politically toxic to say that the virus is not really dangerous. Even if it’s true. This is why the world seems completely and utterly mad. Our entire society, the plans for the future – everything has been reorganised around one gigantic fraudulent idea: that the virus is really dangerous.
If we all have to pretend something that isn’t true is true, then we all go mad.
Its the same with the ‘climate emergency’ fiction. Unless someone is willing to agree this nonsense they cannot be accepted in polite circles. I wonder how many people have left dinner parties before they had the main course for things like this! Human beings are a deeply flawed species…the tendency for herd behaviour and membership of the tribe is very powerful. Most people are simply too weak to stand up to it…..maybe that applies to our 50 MPs.
Oh dear…you can be sceptical about lockdowns without embracing right wing fantasy about climate change denial
Oh dear you believe it all if you want but its the same forces behind it you will find.
Yes it does undermine criticism of the government and CRG sounds rather like “controlled opposition.” Now where have we heard that before.
Controlled opposition?
Unfortunately, this is a problem with the Barrington Declaration as well. OK they oppose lockdowns – great. But they never challenge the assertion that this is a deadly disease, and I think this is one of the reasons they’re not making any headway.
But it would appear to be a deadly disease for the very elderly and those with co-morbities.
Probably no more deadly for those people than Influenza A type H3N2 which is dominant in bad flu seasons. The data is clouded by the “kitchen sink” treatment given to patients early this year, including excess use of mechanical ventilation.
Even if it is more deadly, which I genuinely believe it is for older people, it’s not THAT much more deadly.
So the virus is deadly. Just not THAT deadly. It’s that difference in danger that is being exaggerated and exploited to transform our entire society
The virus does kill. Yes. Sometimes. Unexpectedly. There are other factors that appear to contribute to – say – the cytokine storm. A close relative – a pathologist – lost an overweight colleague and friend earlier in the year. As he was ‘getting better’ under hospital care. Because they couldn’t do an autopsy then – they couldn’t work out what happened. But it’s not killing vast numbers of us – where are the bodies? It does make you really think about what the devil is going on and why. Many of us have our own depressing views on this.
and that figures are still ‘with’ and ‘assumed’, thrown out of hospital, not admitted to hospital, no ressuc push, lack of appropriate treatment inc vitamin d zinc, vit c hydroxychloroquine, lack of fresh air and movement, and if tested there’s the false positive rate and the massive impact of isolation/deprivation of warm smiles hugs family visits, whole life changing for them – people should be held accountable for the inhuman neglect !!!!
so true . and the lack of fresh air, visits with family and friends, those are the things we need for good health and they have taken it away from us so glad there’s rebellion . we need more rebellion. so glad to find it here .
This ‘deadly disease’ narrative – for a pathogen with a better than 99% survival rate – really grinds my gums. Want to know what’s really deadly? 100% fatal in fact. Being mortal. But most people seem unwilling to accept that uncomfortable little truth. And I don’t see a vaccine for mortality coming over the horizon any time soon.
Agree. Appeals to nobody. I much prefer the Belgian letter, docs4opendebate
and this seems to be the case with all the epidemiologists that i have listened to, however much saner they are, there’s still that sort of obsession with dangerousness for instance even with tegnell in sweden
The Barrington Declaration also don’t emphasise the fact that this is a treatable disease, something of which there is much more awareness among sceptics in France. Incidentally, an ICU doctor in Belgium, Dr Pascale Sacré, was sacked for talking about that very thing. Another ICU doctor in France, Dr Louis Fouché, is also speaking out, about treatment and triage, specifically, and calling it madness to sack an ICU doctor who has done nothing wrong in the middle of an epidemic. If there is a treatment for a disease then you don’t need vaccinations.
No ‘Davos attending’ government in the world has been interested in treatments, in fact they have actively banned them. That’s because, as you say, mandatory vaccinations can be legally challenged if there is an effective cure.
Pushing for Track’n’Trace to be given over to local public health teams follows the long term plan of investing ever more power in those unlovely undemocratic bodies.
The more of them there are the more they will seek to outdo each other with the precautionary principle.
Agreed but on the plus side at least if there is a group we can have a dialogue with them. At the moment we have to laboriously write away to individual MPs and then be fobbed off. If these people are at least prepared to slightly break ranks there is a chink in the armour, I think we need to look how to communicate with this group and start to raise our key concerns with them.
Good point. Let’s direct our efforts at them now. We need the strategists amongst us to come forward.
Totally agree.
Perhaps Mabel Cow might put the list on her site?
is there a way to search these comments ? and, i’d find it so much easier if there was a way that ‘action’ steps and links could be reached without scrolling through all posts.
I didn’t read it this way since I understand ‘deadly’ to mean capable of causing death, which covid is, as are peanuts, bee stings and combine harvesters for some individuals. They have given context, differentiating it from the ‘most lethal killers’ and pointed out that other risks are even greater in the younger population.
I think acknowledging the argument of the other side in the first instance, while taking the sting out of that argument is sensible and necessary. It means that covid denier accusations that would otherwise be used to obfuscate and delay grown-up discussion are neutralised.
I don’t ever remember wasps being referred to as deadly insects. But apparently 3% of adults and 0.8% of children are allergic to their stings. Not everyone will get stung (infected??) and not everyone will die but they are a risk of those of us who are allergic. Does it stop me going out in the summer? Of course not.
yes, we don’t say what deadly flu is going around this year, are you having a flu jab against the deadly flu, ‘come get your deadly fried food here’ are you going in a deadly car,
Ha ha, I heard of a farmer who tried to unblock his machine while it was still running, and baled himself.
Do we ban balers, or just stupid farmers?
I also remember someone who died from a wasp sting, which made him fall off the roof. Lots of ways to die, some more avoidable than others
I agree also, It’s like they have to pay some kind of lip service to covid if they don’t agree with the lockdowns. It isn’t a deadly disease for 99.97% of the population, drives me insane when I hear that shite spouted!
Some probably don’t really think it is “deadly” in the sense that most people mean, which is more deadly than similar diseases. Others might. But it’s probably conscious or subconscious lip service to the idee fixe that is so widespread. Ideally they would move beyond that, but for now the fact that this has formed and the numbers in it is a very good step for us.
Deadly is such a tricky definition. You know what is also deadly…the flu, influenza, fucking peanuts if you are allergic. So the fact they are calling it a deadly disease is factually correct but it is also used to scare people even further.
One of the things that really troubles me is the number of people who throw around the idea (without qualification) that this virus kills “people of all ages”. Yes, it’s true – around 600 people under 65 have died (with or of?) covid since the start of the pandemic, but I strongly suspect that if you list the causes of death in that age group in that time period, covid will come very low in the rankings. And more importantly, 600 people hardly constitutes a “tsunami” of deaths! Another thing that really pisses me off is how the msm and the public commenting on some of the columns, accuse lockdown sceptics of being far right facists who want to see “survivial of the fittest” – again, an idea that seems to be gaining some traction. What never seems to get discussed is the fact that sceptics oppose the loss of life to all age groups CAUSED by lockdowns. Lives lost through cancers, suicdes, social and economic deprivation and so on – and what is more worrying – much longer term than the relatively low number of deaths (compared to other diseases) caused by covid this year. Also completely air brushed… Read more »
I’ve shown my age-stratified deaths chart to a few people and I get the impression that their brains simply reject the fact that so few young people have died “with COVID-19”.
I thought the chart would be a slam-dunk, but I get no traction with the norms. People believe what they want to believe, despite the evidence of their own eyes.
Yes, I meet with similar responses – along the lines of “but there’s so much we don’t know yet”…..But there is so much we DO know! I honestly think that because we’ve got mass conformity with these restrictions, it’s a way of not having to deal with the contradiction – i.e why am I doing this if what I’m being told isn’t true. Serves the bloody government well, anyway!
Cognitive dissonance.
http://djclark.co.uk/download/ONS-EW-WeeklyDeaths-ALL_age.pdf
I can’t get at that page Mabel Cow? Says ‘this site can’t provide a secure connection’ – anyone know what that means? (I am on a Chromebook – that may be the problem)
Probably an expired certificate somewhere. With Firefox I often get warnings even including the BBC
I’d also imagine that the majority of deaths in the 60 – 79 cohort are at the higher end and among people with existing co-morbidities. As someone at the lower end of the scale with no health problems whatsoever I really resent how the government data automatically identifies me as an increased risk as opposed to someone half my age who is morbidly obese.
How do you think those age stratified deaths would look in the absence of treatment? One reason why those 80+ have such high mortality is that they are not treated. There are no antivirals and they don’t enter the ITU. By contrast the younger do go into the ITU and an increasing fraction have been coming out. (75% vs 63% up to August). Median Age of ITU patients is 61. And only 1/19 have serious comorbidity. The naive death statistics hide considerable subtlety.
typo should be 1/10 not 1/19.
Respond in kind. Accuse them of being selfish, racist killers by citing the U.N: “an estimate from the United Nations World Food Program indicating that pandemic lockdowns causing breaks in the food chain are expected to push 135 million people into severe hunger and starvation by the end of this year. Other harms include the difficult to measure effects of missed schooling for many children”. 135 million poor, starving people around the world severly affected by 1st world lockdowns versus the deaths of 600 UK under 65s. How kind, selfless and thoughtful of them. /sarc
Pie chart of NHS England Hospital fatalities to 5th November
Key points
4 people under 20 without pre existing conditions have died
35 people aged 20 to 39 without PEC have died
283 people aged 40 to 59 without PEC have died
these departed people represent less than 1% of English hospital fatalities
When people in care homes are included then the portion for under 60’s will decrease further
I agree with Mabel Cow that there seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance going on
Its much better to have a good quality of life and die before you reach the care home. Who cares how long you live when you are a prisoner in an institution.
They are using that language to appeal to the centre ground. If they come out and tell people they are idiots and this disease isn’t remotely dangerous they will alienate the very people they are trying to influence; it would be akin to Remainers trying to appeal to wavering Leave voters by telling them voting Leave is stupid which, ahem, didn’t exactly work.
We need to school them.
Excellent post…I am afraid few MPs seem to really grasp the facts much. Either that or they feel they have to make so many concessions to the other side or otherwise they will be hosed down in slime. Its the same with ‘every death is a tragedy’ …no its not…sometimes its a mercy. It reminds me of the podcast in which James Delingpole ended up having a very bitter row with Sebastion Gorka because the former called COVID 19 a ‘non existent problem’. The irony is that these two probably agree on almost everything but it was a very angry exchange just because of 3 words.
maybe we could be contacting them with info / links etc
Following on from some comments days ago (I’m way behind reading as usual) I have a theory, which is mine and belongs to me.
When the Wuhan lab released the virus, their masterstroke was to also release the USER MANUAL.
Welcome to ownership of your new bioweapon, the most lethal and contagious virus ever known.
This is what SAGE and most govvernments throughout the world are working to.
It doesn’t take much observation to see that in fact it closely resembles a rather average flu, the exception being that it targets very specific groups for harm or death. Many people including increasing numbers of scientists and even doctors can see this but as it isn’t in the documentation it is ignored by our masters
I just watched the 2002 film Equilibrium. Set in a post WW3 dystopia the population self-vaccinates daily with Librium which removes the emotions of hatred, rage and anger that lead to war.
It also cancels empathy and creativity so the crowds shuffle aimlessly about, nothing bad happens to them under the eye of faceless stormtroopers but nothing good either. They just exist.
Enter our heroes Christian Bale and Sean Bean as two supercops who search for ‘feelers’ (those who still have ‘feelings’ not gropers) and caches of contraband art, music, books or anything creative to destroy.
Bale outs Bean as a closet ‘feeler’ and mercifully shoots him so he does not share the fate of his own wife after being reported by their deeply creepy son,
incinerated for Sense Offence.
That’s the first ten minutes then it just gets fanciful.
Personally it’s one of my favourite films. The fight scenes are fab in how they’re stylised. It does get ridiculous in places but the premise is really interesting and on the whole, well-executed. I love how Bean’s character quotes Yeats’ ‘The Cloths of Heaven’ as well – one of my favourite poems.
Great film…a bit close to the bone at the moment.Togehter with V for Vendetta it feel it’s like a documentary.
A bit close to the bone indeed. A year ago I would have thought the obvious parallels ridiculous but that’s what I thought when jokingly suggesting they would let people unmask in return for the vaccine some months ago.
V For Vendetta does indeed feel like a documentary – particularly the plot point of a virus being used as the pretext for an authoritarian dictatorship.
Thanks Poppy, I don’t normally go for ninja movies but it fitted in nicely with this one.
One of the films that made a big impression on me when I saw it as a (pre-high school) kid was the SF/horror feature Invasion of the Body Snatchers, both the original 1956 version by Don Siegel and the 1978 remake by Philip Kaufman. As summarized by Wikipedia: “The plot involves a San Francisco health inspector and his colleague who discover that humans are being replaced by alien duplicates; each is a perfect copy of the person replaced, only devoid of human emotion”. The most scary thing to me was that the ‘aliens’ were a kind of plant-like hive mind organism that invisibly took possession of the humans it infected. No scary creatures or bloody gore involved, the infected just turned a sickly colour and went through some changes as they disintegrated and were ‘turned’ into a perfectly similar-looking alien copy, only completely emotionless and with an empty stare. It evoked a truly paranoid atmosphere as the last remaining true humans saw their group dwindle, one after the other being infected by the hive mind. The protagonists would, for example, arrange to meet up with one of their last fellow resistance members only to find the latter speaking in a… Read more »
Rhinoceros by Eugene Ionesco delivers a similiar theme. The assimilation of ‘rhinoceros” analogous to fascism. Gene Wilder is the last surviving thinking human in the film version. Just say ‘ rhinocerous’ loudly if challenged by a zealot!
From Toby’s text. Some might find it surprising that there is a Head of Philosophy at a 6th Form College, I certainly was when told by a Philosophy teacher at The College here that Philosophy is the single most popular A-Level subject in England and Wales.
You should have been, because it is absolutely untrue.
Here’s one recent list of the most popular subjects:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/news/these-are-the-11-most-popular-a-level-subjects-in-2019
The favourite slush subject is psychology. You can do very well out of that one.
‘Philosophy’ means ‘love of wisdom’. It means engaging critically, and at the deepest level, with diverse interpretations of how the world is and ought to be, and of how human beings can strive towards mental, moral and spiritual growth. It means studying the writings of some of the greatest minds of all time. It is absolutely NOT the fodder that’s going to be offered to sheeple kiddies.
Thank you for the clarification Annie.
My girls have both studied Psychology from GCSE, and one is now doing it for A level.
Have to say, I hadn’t considered it a slush subject really, as even for GCSE they had to learn 21 case studies, 18 named theories, research methods, neuroscience, neurochemistry/biology, brain scans & brain structure.
Eldest got an 8 (A*) at GCSE (10 out of 60 in the year achieved a 7 or above – she was in the top 3), and wants to study it for a degree (eventually!). She has to learn over 60 case studies plus a lot more theory, research methods, approaches, and topics include forensic psychology. Part of the course is issues/debates, and one of the arguments is ‘Why psychology is a science’.
It is a fascinating subject, and she is passionate about that, and her English too.
I know it gets a bad rap and some think it is a humanity, but I would definitely be in the science camp. There is a lot more to it than fluff I think.
‘There is a lot more to it than fluff I think.’
The very existence of the Behavioural Insights Team (Cabinet Office) and their use of Applied Behavioural Psychology to influence public perception and attitudes says you are quite right.
I’d rather she wasn’t going to be ruining people’s lives with it to be honest!
I would feel the same, I expect she’s sensible and will use it constructively!
She is a regular Miss Honey (from Matilda) – absolutely loves kids, and they her, so maybe it could be put to some good use in that regard.
I know how much harm the dastardly Simon
WeaselyWessely did to ME patients while he used the illness as his main tool to try convincing the establishment that psychology is a science.Philosophy is one of the hardest subjects to learn. It underpins all our systems, including science. There’s a reason why we have lots of stupidity today. Because few take the time to learn the differences and the different schools.
Do you think if for example Karl Popper was institutionally known we would have this idiocy?
The Philosophy of Science has always been derided and starved of any funding. Largely due to the focus on ‘results’ from science. David Bohm fundamentally altered the course of our understanding of the universe by striking out of the mainstream Copenhagen Interpretation.
I love his books. On Creativity is one of the most excellent books I’ve ever read.
Do we think the French have been less stupid than us in their response to this epidemic, or that their politicians and mandarins, who are all schooled in philosophy, have made less of a hash of it?
“The study of philosophy in France has a core role in secondary education. In “terminale” – the last year of high school – it is a compulsory subject for all students. Those studying humanities do eight hours of philosophy a week, while pupils studying science and technology do just two hours.
For four gruelling hours, every student in their last year of “lycée” is asked to respond in writing to one philosophical question. Examples from previous years include, “Can a scientific truth be dangerous?” and “Is it one’s own responsibility to find happiness?””
Can confirm that a subject named philosophy is very popular, but it’s not what you or I would recognise as philosophy. Little critical thinking, logic, analysis required, and little knowledge of history either.
It’s very clear that Pfizer did not want to “know” results before the election because, as a publicly traded company, they would be forced to disclose them. Patients were being tested for COVID by their doctors but Pfizer was also collecting a sample to send to their own lab. At some point in October they told the lab to sit on those samples and not analyze them until the day after the election. But let’s be clear about this; all of the patients, their doctors, and Pfizer already knew from the local testing if the patient was positive. Anything else would be unethical. So this was an exercise in willful ignorance by Pfizer to delay announcing results.
Unlike U.K. listed companies, US ones (I believe) can sit on material inside info for somewhat longer, as long as insider procedures are followed. Certainly it’s not like MAR where you have a matter of hours to release the news. So they could have known.
That said, even U.K. or European listed ones can massage the timing by deciding when to conduct the analysis.
You are right in general although in this case there were particular circumstances. Pfizer had specified data based rules for when or if they would make a public announcement. The information was of such a nature that the risk to leak and the large impact on the stock price made disclosure essential. As someone in the industry that has been through this process with many clinical trials I can say that their excuse for the timing is not credible; they chose to wait for the day after the election.
You’d be forgiven for thinking that Pfizer had discovered the cure for cancer yesterday. “A great day for humanity” plastered across the front of even the more reliable rags like the Daily Telegraph. Who’s going to tell them that these “vaccines” are not expected to prevent infection, only modify symptoms of those infected? Who’s going to tell them that these “vaccines” are no substitute for a robust immune system in this case, with well over 99% of healthy under 70 year olds able to tackle Covid-19 using nothing but the natural defences we were all born with? Who’s going to tell them that these “vaccines” have never been successfully produced for previous coronaviruses, raising huge questions about their efficacy? Who’s going to tell them that these “vaccines” are unlicensed and yet to go through the required many years of rigorous clinical trials, raising huge questions about their safety? Who’s going to tell them that these “vaccines” have been procured at what will undoubtedly be an eye-watering, economy crippling cost, meaning that our children and grandchildren will be paying for them for the rest of their lives? Who’s going to tell them that these “vaccines” are nothing more than a global… Read more »
Those many years of required testing have been casually jettisoned.
It is, or rather was, a requirement that vaccines should do more good. than harm to the recipients. The individual recipients
That one’s gone as well.
Well given that I actually heard on the news yesterday that this “discovery” eclipses not only the moon landing, but also the fall of the Berlin Wall, I would say nobody.
The medieval village mentality continues. After months of self flagellation and labelling people unclean, a wagon has rolled into the market place offering an elixir of life and the village has gone hysterical, bowing down to the Gods of Pfizer and offering them their willing arms.
You just know that within day sign taking the cure, people who never had Covid or felt ill, will be talking about how much better they now feel.
It is probably the most effective PR stunt in history. Talk about supply and demand. It is astonishing.
As long as the masked hordes believe it works. We know that it’s a placebo, to extricate governments from the hole into which they have dug themselves, but as long as the sheep believe in it and give up the ghastly masks.
And here lies the problem. A work meeting yesterday consisted of about 20 min of people gushing on about how great it will be when we all take the vaccine so we can work in the office again. I then said well it’s not been properly tested and I for one will not take it…Complete silence, I’m afraid my days here are probably numbered as back are already up because I do not allow my team to wear masks , socially distance or any of that bollocks while we are in the office. My team of course love it and I have made all of them into sceptics , but my company is full of bed wetter ( a senior manager has not left her house since March!! She does not even go to the shops and her husband has to do everything) Gold help me!
Is she a genuine bedwetter, or a diva with a willing slave? (We have one in our family.)
Congrats to you for being one of the brave at least! Wish we had some of your kind in my nick of the woods …
I am perfectly happy to have the vaccine. I’m not an anti vaxxer
After you old boy.
The white collar medium / high level management LinkedIn luvvie monkeys are indeed the worst. Complete and utter cognitive dissonance and lack of independent thought. Utter stupidity.
I’m in that group, I mostly keep my mouth shut except for a couple of my team where we laugh about it.
It’s like being in a different plane of existence.
They are so wrong about everything, but are locked in a Covidworld mental prison that has a stranglehold over their ability to think straight, or act like an independent human being
And yet they still churn out plenty of overly complex charts on next quarters sales forecasts… Go figure.
It’s as big a stunt as the lethal danger of Covid-19 itself.
And the vaccines have only been tested on the healthy people who need it least.
The implication being that as long as the productive workers survive the ‘vaccination’, then its ok.
Maybe because it’s going to harm/kill quite a few of the non healthy which doesn’t look too good for a trial. Slightly more easy to cover up once administration is in full swing- oh nothing to do with the vaccine it was their…
It seems most people aren’t interested in knowing anything other than a vaccine will save them. It seems most have given up thinking for themselves and are even pleased to have anyone who does try to think and question punished and criminalised. Very, very frightening times
I have often wondered whether the regularly vaccinated have been brainwashed in some way by previous vaccines. Sounds farfetched but in this day of nanochips and bio tech anything’s possible.
Why are we bothering with a vaccine in London ? According to the GLA, there were 118 COVID deaths in London hospitals for the week to 9 November. Over 90% of COVID deaths are in hospital so that’s a maximum of 131 in total for that week. That’s around 1 in 70,000, approx 1 in 700,000 for the under 65s. That’s before taking into account that these are deaths of people that have had a positive test in the last 28 days, and we know (see NYT 29/8/20 for example) that the vast majority of tests are false positives. Let’s say half these are people that died from (as opposed to with) COVID, an exceptionally large estimate, that means 1 in 1.4million of under 65s die each week of COVID, or 1 in 50,000 if this carries on for 6 months at this level (which it won’t). Can someone please tell me why we are wasting time and money vaccinating the under 65s in London ? Even for the older people it doesn’t make sense. Also, whilst I am here, a question to DJAusten. Your predictions that London will ‘catch up’ with the rest of the country are still not… Read more »
I should add to this that the vaccine makes no sense in the rest of the country either, except maybe for the very old or immunocompromised.
‘The very old or immumocomprimised’
on whom it has not been tested.
Agreed ? I did say maybe and that is of course subject to further testing – generally this COVID 19 is yesterday’s story – the hysterical government reaction to it and anything to do with it unfortunately isn’t !
That is a terrible fact. What it it going to do to a frail 85 year old with multiple morbidities? They can have absolutely no idea.
Precautionary principle, eh?
When we tell MPS that they should have the vaccine first to prove what a miracle’ it is, so we have a good sample across all ages of how safe it is we need them to also vaccinate their parents, children and grandchildren
Include as well pro-lockdown slebs and journalists plus their families. That should widen the sample pool.
I’m a Celebrity, get me vaccinated. Even I would watch that.
Yep and it should be the real thing not a placebo and not a fake vaccine.
Piers Morgan says he’ll take the jab on live TV.
Piers Morgan (anag Romping Arse) makes a good living out of fatuous activities like that.
Put some poison in it too as a special gift for him.
What good will that do when they should be under arrest and investigation for their crimes not in a position where these evil and corrupt people can continue to cause harm to millions. We should actually want to protect the children of these scum not expose them to the very same harms their parents are trying to inflict on the rest of us.
https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/
They know that giving these vaccines to the very old won’t offer them any protection and is likely highly dangerous, but this seems to be just part of the plan. The same applies to the flu vaccines, which are pushed on the old relentlessly and which rendered the recipients much more likely to be affected by Covid-19 and/or pneumonia.
How much money has been and will be spaffed by the regime on a vaccine that is totally useless except to those whom it may well harm?
Thanks, Masko the Clown. You’re a great prime minister. Up there with Churchill.
The Covid -19 vaccinations are a way of making mega money while culling the old and unproductive. Now which philanthrocapitalist would dream up an evil scheme like that, while being rich enough to bribe governments and media the world over to act as accomplices.
You have to have a functioning immune system for a vaccine to work. The very old can’t use them and those with a functioning immune system don’t need them. These vaccines are pointless and are simply a scam to make Big Pharma and Bill Gates richer at our and our children’s expense. We can be assured that politicians the world over are getting their cut for valuable services rendered.
Yup.
I read somewhere mainstream that “1 in 90” have covid. So where are all the fucking bodies then? I suspect protected by that immune system, the one they don’t want you to know exists
Ah but tier 2 restrictions! Seriously though, good post.
thank you
Why? I think it’s pretty obvious, to save the pig dictator hide
True.
And because the zombies believe in the Magic Vaccine just as they believe in the Magic Mask.
It won’t save him, but he’ll walk off with a pot of money for services well rendered.
He should be rendered.. to get rid of the fat, then feed him to the swine.
And what are they going to do if ‘infections’ and Covviedeaths drop to vanishing levels before the
snake oil sorryvaccine is rolled out?It vanished because of unsocial distancing and masks! Now, if you’ll only take the vaccine, we can all lose the masks! Don’t be selfish now, protect me by having your vaccine
I think they are very concerned that this may happen and they will not then all make shed loads of money. Hence they are ramping up the fear and rushing out a vaccine to try and ensure they do not miss this money making opportunity.
This has been a pesky quirky virus and it would be just like it to go an disappear just as they roll out a vaccine, at least i hope that is what happens.
Steve, it already has largely disappeared – ‘was over by this summer’ according to Dr Mike Yeadon. Now just a fraudulent misrepresentation of other respiratory diseases as Covid.
Great news about the lateral flow tests, somewhat buried in the lower columns of today’s articles.
‘…Turns out, the new tests are far more reliable than the shonky PCR test and the Army are much less likely to ignore the protocols stipulated by the manufacturers. And that’s good news – brilliant news – because it reveals just how few cases there actually are in Liverpool. Practically none, in fact.
… The Government needs to take a look at the nation as a patient and stop treating the tests. Symptom trackers show symptoms back at baseline; accident and emergency attendances for acute respiratory infections are below normal, hospital admissions, intensive care bed use and hospital mortality figures are all normal for the time of year. The patient is better, but the treatment is toxic and it has to be stopped.’
I think, as Steve Martindale does, that they are very concerned that this doesn’t happen which is why there is such a rush. I don’t think it’s financial, but just to pretend that their policies achieved eradication of the virus and it didn’t go away by itself.
They won’t drop too low as their lies will continue to be told. The dumb masses will swallow them whole and continue rolling up their sleeves.
Oh, they can spin the numbers anyway they want with the PCR tests. Most people won’t question the deaths as long as they are told they at pandemic levels.
Exactly, it won’t disappear as long as there are respiratory illnesses they can label Covid at their leisure with a fake pseudo-test scam.
All those logical calculations are being totally discarded by NICE in pursuit of a mass vaccination programme. Why?
Did not Mr. Pinch predict similar?
Projections are based on no change. Prior to Tier 2 and subsequently lockdown2, admissions were doubling (from a low level) at the same pace as elsewhere. With the intervention, that will now slow and turnover. My six-week projections have been accurate since early September and continue to be so, thank you.There is still no strong evidence of an effect of immunity on the trajectory of the epidemic.
You’re not seriously crediting the lockdown with reducing the infection rate ! Why did it peak (per the King’s College figures) on 3/11 before the lockdown started ?
If there is no effect of immunity:
Would you please (for about the fifth time I have asked you) explain why Sweden’s death rate reduced at around the same time as the UK, France etc (note: if it’s just the season then the lockdown was an even bigger disgrace)
Why is London suffering less than the rest of the country now ?
Why is New York doing so well now ?
On another note, why are the excess death figures about half the supposed COVID deaths.
And finally, please let me know whether you agree the vaccine is a ridiculous idea for young people (a complete waste of time and money) as the chance of anything bad happening to them from the virus is so small. And they’re going to reduce the NHS GP service so they can vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a virus that’s nearly run it’s course.
Are they having a laugh ?
You ask good questions but I doubt you will get good answers
Tier 2 was introduced in London on Oct15 and the rate of hospital admissions has turned over and fallen since then. Sweden has seen a doubling in COVID19 ITU admissions every 10 days since September, odd for a country with widespread immunity. It is false to state that Sweden did not social distance, it’s just that the Government left more of the responsibility to the population. But once restraints are relaxed cases, hospitalizations have risen. Data here: https://www.icuregswe.org/en/data–results/covid-19-in-swedish-intensive-care/ London is suffering less because it has started from a much lower nadir, not because everyone has had it and there is widespread immunity. There is likely to be <20%, and this will cause a 20% reduction in growth rate relative to no immunity. Excess deaths figures yesterday were 700 above the previous 10-year high and about 15% above the 10-year mean. Deaths will grow to about 20-25% above mean by Christmas. I have never predicted doom and gloom, but without Tiers there was strong evidence that we would head up to April levels of admissions and deaths before Christmas. Tier restrictions will stabilise and possibly shrink the epidemic. Lockdown definitely shrinks the epidemic. As for the vaccine. Early days, but protecting… Read more »
Just to follow up, Sweden’s immunity policy fails to protect the population as cases and hospitalistions grow faster than neighbours – “Immunity is a mystery” according to Anders Tegnel. Policy an abject failure according to their leading virologist.
https://www.ft.com/content/1e0ac31d-5abf-4a18-ab3e-eec9744a4d31
There is no place for exceptionalism. But there is very limited evidence of immunity either.
Disgraceful
This site should be monitored by GCHQ and the contributors thrown in jail
Ooop!!! Failed to come up with an original idea once again
Why am I always behind the curve?
What makes you think that it isn’t?
Maybe it will be like after the restoration of Charles 2nd when all members and supporters of the commonwealth/republic were executed, exiled or removed from important positions in society, surely not,will it?
One to watch, folks. Email just received from the Fascist zJunta:
Dear Annie
You recently signed the petition “Ensure access to treatment and screening for all cancer patients during Covid-19”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552734
MPs will debate the effect of the covid-19 outbreak on breast cancer diagnosis and the future of breast cancer services this Thursday 12 November in Westminster Hall. The subject of the debate has been determined by the Backbench Business Committee.
This will be a general debate. General debates allow MPs to debate important issues, however they do not end in a vote nor can they change the law.
The debate will start at 1.30pm and last for 90 minutes.
Watch here this Thursday: https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/9c994129-192c-4239-9a1f-8e4724d4d71b
Debate to be held on breast cancer: screening
MPs will debate the effect of the covid-19 outbreak on breast cancer diagnosis and the future of breast cancer services this Thursday 12 November in Westminster Hall. The subject of the debate has been determined by the Backbench Business Committee.
Full comment with links awaiting approval.
I had a letter at the weekend inviting me to book an appointment with my GP for cervical screening. I phoned first thing on Monday. Firstly I had to listen do to a very long message about what to do if I had Covid symptoms and that I was not under any circumstances to come to the surgery (with or without symptoms) unless told to do so by a member of staff. Then it moved onto the selection choices “ press 1 for appointments” etc. So I pressed 1 to be greeted with “did you know you can register online to make appointments, just come into the surgery with your ID”. Clearly nobody in their admin team has listened through the full set of nonsense we have to listen to before we even join the queue. 10 minutes in I was, thankfully, able to make an appointment but not for this month “because we are locked down”. Hopefully my appointment for early next month will go ahead. Does anybody know what backlog has built up for the various screening programmes? This is the first one I have been due since the madness started but I am hearing of friends’ breast… Read more »
Don’t know about a backlog but in E. Yorks I got a cervical screening appt and bowel cancer poo- stick kit in the space of a month so can’t personally complain. I did have to go through the surgery square- dance though, with face covered while lady- bits presented for attention.
If you’re a medic, you need to know that Covid & flu are different, so that you can treat accordingly. As members of the public, we have also been encouraged to believe they are very different but why?
Both can kill, mainly but not exclusively very elderly & those with underlying health conditions.
Both can cause lingering after effects.
Both can be spread in the same ways, & the risks minimised in the same ways.
Both could cause the hospital system to be overwhelmed .
Both pose very little risk to the vast majority.
Great post.
Both are respiratory illnesses and close to impossible to distinguish between them
You cut to the heart of the matter.
Why are we all pretending that something is very dangerous when it isn’t?
I think the bottom line is that believing things that aren’t true is a feature of our species. And this feature gets exploited all the time by people to exert power on others. Sometimes it happens on a massive scale, like now.
This was a good article today:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-nine-worst-covid-19-biases
I’ve just been messaging a friend who’s daughter turned 18 at the weekend.
They spent some of the day with my friend’s parents – socially distanced. No hugs for a granddaughter on such a milestone day.
The nan has COPD and various other issues. Friend won’t take any chances with her health.
Would she have behaved the same last year during the normal winter flu epidemic killing roughly the same people with the same vulnerabilities, and no-one visiting had any symptoms? I very much doubt it.
So many happy occasions stolen this year, for nothing really.
Gaoling of people sceptical of the vaccine is exactly what happened to Galileo and Copernicus. I know CoViD19 is being seen as the plague, but have we, as a society, also travelled back in time?
There have been calls for climate change sceptics to be penalised as well.
Critical thought is dead.
Those who state openly that mammals cannot change sex, and that women don’t have penises or men periods, are already being subjected to visits and threats by the police. They have also been sacked from jobs and removed from positions in the Girl Guides.
“Those who can make you beelive absurdities can make you commit atrcities”
Voltaire
Woman (def)- adult human female
End of discussion…Next topic please
Humans, as well as some other organisms, can have a rare chromosomal arrangement that is contrary to their phenotypic sex; for example, XX males or XY females (androgen insensitivity syndrome).
Real life is not always that simple.
Feminists are now up in arms about this issue, but I don’t recall many of them objecting when the speechcrime and thoughtcrime guns were turned against “racists” and “homophobes”.
Free speech is for all, or it’s just a matter of “free speech for opinions I don’t dislike enough to want banned”..
One for all and all for one, eh? Haven’t noticed too many Klansmen objecting to the ‘speechcrime guns turned against ‘ the feminists?
Can’t say I’ve the first clue what any “Klansman” thinks about anything, tbh. Rather surprised you’re that familiar with their opinions.
But if you are correct (and assuming “Klansmen” was just your standard smear for anyone who does not fully comply with modern antiracist dogma), why would they? Having been consigned to the demonised criminal bin, the response when the mob then turns on some of its own most enthusiastic members is rather more likely to be schadenfreude at best, surely?
But regardless such frivolities, the point remains. Free speech is for all opinions (with any line drawn at the end very close to direct and immediate incitement), or it is just for opinions you don’t dislike enough to want banned.
Masking, distancing, quarantines of the healthy, penalizing dissident thought.
A Neo-Feudal Great Reset.
Welcome to the Middle Ages 2,0
Medievalism with microchips.
Speech and opinion have been criminalised in this country for years now on political correctness issues. Once you breach a principle it becomes easier and easier to find other cases where it shouldn’t apply.
On the topic of vaccines I am not ” anti vaxxer ” but I am cautious about a new vaccine which has been rushed through by the politicians , the safety and effectiveness of which is still not clear. . I have asked about twenty of my medical colleagues whose opinions range from masked covid disciples to more ” moderate ” viewpoints.
Not one will have the vaccine this coming year.
I am not anti vaxxer either but I won’t be a test subject either.
That’s interesting. So the “disciples” are even more afraid of the vaccine than the virus? Or they really believe their masks and social distancing will be enough to prevent them getting it in the first place? Or are they just afraid of everything?
I’m going to guess they are afraid of everything,
Its a shame they are not afraid of the government and its handlers, that would be the useful type of fear that aids their self preservation.
In today’s newsletter it says that the over 65’s are keen on vaccination. Being in this group myself i think one reason for this is Polio, at my school there were children who had suffered a Polio infection, they were crippled for life we still know adults who had Polio as a child and have spent a lifetime with crippling disability. To those of us who saw the horrors of Polio at their school, the protection of the Polio vaccine was indeed a miracle.
I think it is Polio and the Polio vaccine that made me a fairly enthusiastic vaccine user, I did not think twice about getting Yellow Fever jabs etc. before trips to Africa. I expect many in my generation would take a similar line.
It is only in recent years with concerns over the flu vaccine and now a SARS-Cov2 vaccine that my vaccine faith has been undermined. It takes some reading and understanding and some big shifts of attitude for people to put aside their Polio memories and challenge this new vaccine .
I think those of us who were children in the 60s also grew up with the perception of the NHS and the Welfare State generally as benevolent forces for good, and could see the benefits of free contraception, dental treatment for children, school eye tests, the visits of nit nurses etc.
We need to go back to the days of the sort of NHS portrayed in Call the Midwife; run by doctors and matrons and putting over the message that children are a responsibility not a right and responsible family planning a duty.
Yes long gone those days of the old NHS.
I am now in my mid seventies, but I never personally knew anyone who was disabled from polio or who even had the illness. Of course, we were all subjected to the propaganda of those pictures of warehouses stuffed full of people and children in iron lungs. These left a lasting impression, but that was as close as it got for me. There are very many oddities about polio itself and the illness definition was changed substantially, thus reducing the number of cases, around the same time as vaccines were introduced. The vaccines themselves have been suspect right from their beginnings and they still are, right up to the present day.
My aunt got polio from the polio jab in the 1940/50s – had one leg shorter than the other
One of my cousins had polio in his youth. He has now had more years on this planet than me, although the effects still show it was not a life stopper.
My husband had polio in the late sixties and it was completely covered up. Apparently this happened a lot
I did read once that the symptoms of arsenic poisoning are identical to polio symptoms. As the use of arsenic for crop spraying sugar ended the incidence of polio reduced. Obviously the credit for this went to the polio vaccine??
Your thoughts on SV40, Steve ?
But the government wouldn’t be giving something to us that wasn’t known to be safe would they?
Would they?????
Fluoride?
The scare when I was in primary school was diphtheria and I had an inoculation for that. Over the past few years I have become increasingly concerned about the overall efficacy of some vaccines. Now the vast majority of people who don’t need it are being goaded into having a useless vaccine.
Yes, back in the day polio, diptheria and smallpox were pretty bad news and a vaccine was probably a good idea.
I believe US children now have in the region of 80 vaccines. Don’t know the current figures in the UK but probably not dissimilar. Can there be a connection to the increasing numbers of autoimmune diseases?
My mother is a healthy active 85 year old. She has already had this year’s flu vaccine. She will not be having the new vaccine. In her words ‘I don’t believe it has been tested enough, vaccines take many years to safely develop & I don’t trust it to be safe’. She initially shielded & followed all the rules. No longer – she’s become a lot more sceptic & her latest stance is ‘I’ll just be sensible & take my chances’. I fervently hope she is representative of her generation.
I don’t think she is representative I’m afraid – I had a look yesterday on Gransnet to see what the oldies were thinking about the vaccine. The majority are all eager to take it, because then ‘we can get back to normal’.
That’s disappointing. Maybe my mum caught scepticism from me? I have been gently nudging her for some time.
Are the majority even on Gransnet? Most mums I know are not on Mumsnet. They are non representative groups but do like to shout in their echo chambers. Much as we do here!
Not sure how we find out what the majority really think. Most polls are also skewed with leading questions.
I’m 71. Certainly not on gransnet – ‘gran’ used like this is insulting. But If it helps the discussion I can say that most of my friends are terrified of catching and dying of covid. The daily briefings and messasges of doom have sunk into their psyche and there is nothing I can say to reassure them.
“Get back to normal” Oh deary deary me.
As Prof. Livermore argued in his article on the mink related problems, for them, the risk reward ratio of that vaccine is OK. The problem is, for anyone below the age of 65 it is very negative, and a disaster for people still wanting to reproduce and for all children.
And that is only a problem for commercial reasons and because we swallowed the ‘herd immunity exists’ myth pill instead of questioning it, see Gatti, Montanari and RKjrs CHD on that.
My experience too. Have asked many. Church congregations seem especially compliant. Not got much time to get them asking questions, and this is a huge number of people who could instead be quietly resisting.
Suggest anyone with contacts or membership stop being polite and start educating them
And the government will say: No problem, you can remain locked up, sorry, shielded. Just let us now when you’re ready to come out to take the vaccine. It’s here waiting for you.
I’ve an 81 year old friend who doesn’t want it.
That generation isn’t the problem anyway.
It’s the self-righteous ‘know it all and accept no other opinion’ millennials and GenZ, who also brainwashed quite a few of their boomer and Xer parents, who are.
Straw poll of my medical colleagues reveals the same result!
That is very encouraging to hear.
They will be threatened with their jobs. Tell them to speak up now and join groups promoting freedom of choice.
I’m not an “anti-vaxxer” either. I’ve been vaccinated multiple times. My children were all vaccinated according to the advised schedule.
BUT, ironically, this entire episode has made me become more informed about vaccines and as a result I am more sceptical about them than ever.
And the fact that they will try to shove this new vaccine down our throats will make me even more sceptical.
Ironic really.
The fact that criticism in this and all other Covid related areas has only been diffamated, censored or ignored, rather than engaged with, built up a huge basis of scepticism and reluctance in that personal matter of life and death already.
Everyone also knows that the vaccine development was rushed and that manufa turners have offloaded their liabilities.
That created further scepticism and reluctance.
Threatening and discriminating against people to make them take it now, is increasing that scepticism and reluctance only further.
And that is before one engages with their novelty and for decades unknowable longterm risks, resulting in their poor risk/reward ratio for children, anyone who still wants to reproduce and that potential offspring.
Logic, responsibility in case of parents and self-preservation simply dictate a pass for most people under the age of 65 for many more years.
Good but somewhat depressing article by Philip Johnston in the Telegraph this morning
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/10/vaccines-siren-song-threatens-trap-us-even-longer-lockdown/
He writes: Normal seasonal flu kills around 5,000 people in the UK,
That’s bollox! More like at least 20,000 and it was 50,000 in 2017/18
as the clock ticks down and the infection rate remains high,
More bollox!
To be clear Boris has been planning to get the “antivaxxers” off the web since August 2019. The issue not really is actually ridding the web of any vaccine criticism at all, and it has nothing to do with the Russians. Plainly the man is a vile despot, but almost no one would have understood in 2019 how critical the vaccine issue could become.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/uk-law-commissioner-threatens-criminal-action-against-vaccine-critics.html
Please stop using the term anti-vaxxer. It is a catch all term that includes the mildly sceptical. It polarises the topic in favour of those pushing vaccines for corporate profits.
Well done, DM. Now ask the public if they fancy a Covipass and ID before they can go shopping maskless.
My letter BMJ on-line 27 August 2020 https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5 Regarding the Use of the Term “Anti-Vaxxer” Dear Editor Thank you Karyse Day [1] for drawing attention to the problem of the bias and intimidation inherent in the term “anti-vaxxer”. The term has been around perhaps since the 19th century but has evolved a new context. Three years ago I drew attention to the remarks of Seth Berkley, director of the vaccine lobby organisation GAVI, in the Spectator proposing that “anti-vaxxers” be excluded from social media, which meant in effect not only that certain people should not be allowed on social media but that criticism of vaccines should not be allowed on a generic basis – an extremely serious matter[2]. Unfortunately, this has also been a hobby-horse of the present Prime Minister. In August last year Reuter’s recorded Boris Johnson as saying [3]: “I’m afraid people have just been listening to that superstitious mumbo-jumbo on the internet, all that anti-vax stuff…” On 24 September 2020 he told the UN [4]: “There are today people who are still actually anti-science, a whole movement called ‘the anti-vaxxers’ who refuse to acknowledge the evidence that vaccinations have eradicated smallpox and who by their prejudices are… Read more »
Excellent letter
I’m in favour of the vaccine
In March Professor Ferguson predicted that 700 people in my village would die of covid
Thanks to the actions of the government not one single person has died of covid in my village, yet!
Two periods of house arrest, 400 statutory instruments, shutting the pubs etc have saved 700 lives
I know it’s been hard, it breaks my heart too
We need a final big push, one final huge effort to get us over the line to victory
If we all pull together this will be over by Christmas
The lives of 700 people in my village are in your hands
Thank you
They should hold a special “thank you” event in your village and honour Prof Ferguson with the privilege of being the first to take the vaccine in a public ceremony. Anything less would just be being ungrateful
Great idea, we will get in early as I can see him getting snowed under with invitations
It’s only a small prick…
And the hope of millions it will be the shot in the arm for society to wake up
Ferguson ?
At least when they start dropping like flies from a toxic vaccine, the plebs will finally realize what a real pandemic looks and feels like.
Then drop him in an unmarked grave.
In my town (150,000+) we were told by the local self appointed community leader that we needed to lock down or 4,000 people would die. 60 have died with 92% over 70 years old.
We just can’t take you seriously can we Cecil?
only if you believe the prediction
Whilst reading the long list of collateral damage etc.(25 million GP appointments lost etc.)
I am struck by the fact that even if you accept the current figure of around 50,000 Covid deaths (remember this is people who died with a positive text – not who died because of the virus) this is still less than the number of annual deaths in the UK from air pollution (Source European Heart Journal).
The latter being considered a perfectly acceptable collateral risk for our society to function.
https://academic.oup.com/eurhe…/article/40/20/1590/5372326
Oops correct link to the air pollution source
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/40/20/1590/5372326
It did not, and does not require a positive test to put covid as a cause of death on a death certificate
Ready for Bait and Switch no.2? Remember how back in March we were all told to stay at home not to overwhelm the NHS? And remember how it was going to be just a few weeks to flatten the curve? A few weeks in, without a hint of debate the goal suddenly became to eliminate to virus. And 8 months in, we are still locked up and trying to eliminate the virus. That was bait and switch no.1. Well, get ready for bait and switch no.2. For 8 months we’ve supposedly been trying to suppress this virus until a vaccine is produced. And when a vaccine comes, it will take time to roll out but eventually we can get back to normal. That has been the story. Except once the vaccine is out life will not get back to normal. The reason will be somewhere along the lines that the vaccine will not be the silver bullet we were misled to believe. Prepare for some of the following excuses/arguments: The vaccine doesn’t stop infections, it just alleviates the symptoms, so we still need to keep virus suppression measures in place (social distancing, masks) The vaccine has only a temporary effect,… Read more »
Excellent summary that reflects my expectations completely, Stewart.
They might try this but I don’t think they’ll get away with it. Public anger will be far too great. A lot of people see the vaccine as their way out of this hell. People are so worn down now and will take any scrap of good news which may suggest normality is returning – hence why the vaccine was met with such enthusiasm the other day. If governments try to keep these restrictions in place AFTER the endgame, i.e. the vaccine, the public won’t stand for it and it’ll be curtains for leaders around the world.
Lockdown no.1 was also embraced with massive enthusiasm – of the panicked, frightened sort, but enthusiasm all the same. Let me tell you why I think I’m not wrong. The entire shit show we are currently living is based on two fundamental premises which have been widely accepted and are now very very difficult to overturn. This virus is especially dangerous and needs to be eliminated. This was the initial premise and remains the premise even after a mountain of facts prove otherwise. There is hard any political leaders in the world prepared to state the obvious – that the virus isn’t that dangerous. Anyone who claims it’s not that big a deal is written off as heartless, stupid or a conspiracist. Note how even those against all the measures don’t dare state the simple fact that this virus is not a big deal. The government has the right to dictate extreme healthcare measures on us to protect society. This was not the case before March. In March we gave away the responsibility for our health to the government and with it our freedom. For as long as those two premises remain in place, we are never ever getting our… Read more »
I definitely think (1) doesn’t hold as much water anymore. There is still a section of the public who genuinely believe that this is the most dangerous plague to ever blight humanity, but that section grows smaller by the day. Before Lockdown 2, the streets, bars, restaurants and shops were I live were almost as full as they were in normal times, especially at a weekend. The streets were pretty busy as well. It’s funny, because before Lockdown 1, shops and restaurants emptied themselves out as the public stopped attending of their own accord, but everyone knew that Lockdown 2 was coming and the difference this time was that venues were rammed the day/night before November 5th as people wanted to get their last dose of freedom before being locked up again, because the public now know that the virus isn’t as dangerous as previously thought and that going out to these venues is perfectly ‘safe’ anyway. Even now, in Lockdown 2, town is relatively busy given that most things are closed. If the majority of the public genuinely believed that this was an especially dangerous virus, do you think so many of them would be out and about? I… Read more »
Agreed..
My impression is that there is much more covid scepticism than we generally think on this forum.
This vaccine announcement is there, because that has been realized, and they need to keep stringing us along.
I agree. I think the polls have been skewed to try to create the impression that many people support this madness. But I don’t think common sense has abandoned us all yet.
Well said Poppy. Apart from the die hard lockdownsitas and the brainwashed, more and more people are waking up especially if their jobs and livelihood are hanging by the balance.
Attitudes are definitely shifting as well. Once you had loads of people saying how much they enjoy working from home and that they’re saving money by not commuting. Fast forward now and more and more people are admitting that their physical and mental health is going down the toilet as a result of working from home.
Excellent to read such an intelligent, well argued and civilised exchange between Stewart and Poppy. I incline more to Poppy’s slightly more optimistic view, but I do think that we’ll need to keep up the pressure to get back to normal, otherwise the restrictions will stay in place.
after having only 2 friends and my brother agree with me for many months i just met a wonderful whole family of sceptics yesterday and today another wonderful sceptic, no way will any of them get the vaccine , are all against masks and lockdowns . i’m feeling so much better .
I was out and about from the start of lockdown 1 having self isolated the previous week and was apprehensive for the first three for four weeks.
However I was coming into contact with hospital and healthcare workers so knew after less than aa month that the worst was over and had not been as bad as feared.
If frontline workers were telling me this why weren’t they telling the government? Partly because all the management had buffered off WFH leaving them to it.
Lockdown 2. I believe most people think it socially necessary to appear worried and concerned. If you counter ‘oh dear so many people are dying’
with, for example
” no they are not, far more people are dying from normal flu, the government and newspapers are lying to you especially the BBC”
They are likely to come back with something like
‘Yes I know they are and I never watch the BBC it’s so full of rubbish do you think we’ll be in lockdown at Xmas’
Not a single person has yet asked what I think about the vaccine probably because they think themselves guilty of wrongthink.
I think the problem is that the regime will never feel comfortable giving people space to think and reflect on what’s happened. Panic and control for ever.
This is my fear also.
Then we must take our reedom back ourselves.
Not wait for it to be given back,
What’s the ‘endgame’? Waiting five to ten years until the vaccine is approved?
The vaccine has been portrayed as being the ‘endgame’ and a ‘miracle’ of science and only a month away. Literally. Headline in the Telegraph this morning says that NHS being told to prepare for mass vaccination on 1 Dec this year. This is why the public think the vaccine is an acceptable ‘endgame’, because it has been produced so quickly, far quicker than an ordinary vaccine timeline, and can therefore end restrictions after only (!) 8 months of them. However, the end of the Pfizer trial isn’t until December 2022 – as it should be, these things should take several years. If the vaccine is going to be developed and tested properly, then I would expect it to take 5-10 years as you say. In that scenario, a vaccine cannot be an endgame because we cannot lockdown for 5-10 years, no matter what anyone says, it’s just unsustainable and even the patience of the zealots will not stretch that long. A vaccine should never be an endgame in my personal opinion because introducing restrictions and lifting them only based on the vaccine contingency creates massive uncertainty. A vaccine may take years (and should take years). It is just a bonus,… Read more »
We have been told to accept an unlicensed hardly tested experimental vaccine, that they admit doesn’t work that well, in respect of an illness which needs, an unfit for purpose, test to let you know that you have it, when almost certainly you don’t at all.
People who haven’t yet smelled a great big stinking dead rodent will be complicit in their own downfall, when they voluntarily bare their arms for these dodgy vaccines. Of course, the biggest villains will still be the corrupt UK government and the vaccine overlord himself, Bill Gates.
Yes Poppy!
It is up to us.
Public anger may increase but the government are taking down any sites of opposition/dissent.
> Social media Facebook/twitter sites (group and personal) are being taken down.
> The protests are are met with extraordinary police presence and brutish behaviour and arrests by the police.
> Threatening any discussion on vaccine and suggestion of legal action of people who express an alternative opinion on the vaccine
So the ‘establishment’ are blocking any resistance or alternative discussion on their narrative. This is the most frightening aspect of all this and is what you might expect in north korea/china etc but UK??!!
It’s not just the UK, the same thing is happening all over the world.
I think the resistance in all countries does and urgently needs to react to these threats.
They need to establish their own, independent TV channels where possible (Trump), they need to migrate in droves away from Twitter, FB, youtube&co to Telegram, Parker, Bitchute&co and they need to establish uncontrollable, old-fashioned means of disseminating their Viewpoints.
In Germany, the resistance is quite successfully distributing millions of leaflets to households through a network of 40.000
Freedom Couriers.
this is a great idea . talking to people one by one . the more we talk to people the more we ‘ll find out there are many more of us than we thought .
i like the trump tv idea too
This kind of totalitarian reaction usually comes when the public starts to see through the lies. So we are doing something right.
I wish New Zealand well but it will be interesting to see if their first wave finally arrives after the vaccine is available.
From NZ, agree it will be intersting to see what happens when covid-19 finally gets here and establishes for the ‘frist wave’ (viruses only do one wave when it is actually novel). If after the vaccine this is a very good contrlol to see if wave behaves any differnetly to rest of the world this march/april.
Have to say living here in NZ now is great, and perhaps we have been saved, not from the virus but from worst maddenss of governments over reacting.
Agree I was at the manchester demo on sunday . People are getting seriously pissed off
There will certainly be many more mass demonstrations – of course news of those will be suppressed, so we may or may not hear of them.
Exactly!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/globalist-klaus-schwab-world-will-never-return-normal-after-covid
I fear exactly this scenario too! The vaccine will be another layer of crap to the existing crap they’ve inflicted on us. Government/parliament have no intention of ending this shitshow – they are enjoying it too much. People are too hood winked into believing the government are doing this for our benefit – yeah right!
I am a bit more optimistic.
As they will run out of money soon, and as more and more people are running out of patience already, they will have to find a way to end all restrictions.
That way is already well known, of course:
Standardize the PCR test down to a CT of 24+/-.
Thereby, Zero-Covid is achieved within a week, the vaccine can be credited for that (even if it administered as a placebo only, as it should be), the lockdowns, masks et. all can also be credited and justified, and people can begin to start of dying of the flu and old age again.
reading your piece on testing in Liverpool. if the numbers are close to reality, it does pose the question if we do need a vaccine, which is useless as soon as there is a mutation (like stated in Danmark
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/11/coronavirus-antibody-dependent-enhancement.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201111Z2&mid=DM706728&rid=1008313029
Great link How COVID-19 Vaccine Can Destroy Your Immune System According to a study that examined how informed consent is given to COVID-19 vaccine trial participants, disclosure forms fail to inform volunteers that the vaccine might make them susceptible to more severe disease if they’re exposed to the virus Previous coronavirus vaccine efforts — including those for SARS, MERS and RSV — have revealed a serious concern: The vaccines have a tendency to trigger antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) ADE means that rather than enhance your immunity against the infection, the vaccine actually enhances the virus’ ability to enter and infect your cells, resulting in more severe disease than had you not been vaccinated Lethal Th2 immunopathology is another potential risk. A faulty T cell response can trigger allergic inflammation, and poorly functional antibodies that form immune complexes can activate the complement system, resulting in airway damage There’s evidence showing the elderly — who are most vulnerable to severe COVID-19 and would need the vaccine the most — are also the most vulnerable to ADE and Th2 immunopathology Participants in current COVID-19 vaccine trials are not being told of this risk — that by getting the vaccine they may end up with… Read more »
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Has anyone mentioned that link to the procurement site Simon Dolan put up?
‘The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.”
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
Very bizarre.
Crikey !
interesting .. this dates back a few months as tender date was september and the contract already awarded to Genpact a US company with $3.6billion t/o. Worryingly, the justification for this contract was as below – note my highlights …. what volume do they expect above what their systems already handle Explanation: For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool. Strictly necessary — it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health. Reasons of extreme urgency — the MHRA recognises that its planned procurement process for the SafetyConnect programme, including the AI tool, would not have concluded by vaccine launch. Leading to a inability to effectively monitor adverse reactions to a Covid-19 vaccine. Events unforeseeable — the Covid-19… Read more »
Oh just bung it in an Excel spreadsheet, it’ll be good
Thank you, Rose.
Emailed it to my doctors surgery.
Used this link:
https://www.editorials360.com/2020/11/11/how-covid-19-vaccine-can-destroy-your-immune-system/
None of my medic friends will have the vaccine or recommend it. Spoke to someone I know who worked for Pfizer they won’t either. All say the development of vaccine takes 5+years and needs evaluation.
The trouble is before long you will need proof of vaccination to do things, it would not surprise me if they made it a condition of travel on main line trains that you had been vaccinated, they may in future only renew your passport or driving licence if you have been vaccinated, you may need to have been vaccinated to get hospital treatment. So the vaccination will be voluntary just as long as you are OK living as a hermit in a cave.
I think we need to call their bluff on this type of talk. I can’t see us being locked in gulags or denied services. It would be an expensive logistical nightmare and the country is potless.
Yet here we are under house arrest and being denied services and they have not started trying to force the vaccine on us yet. When it comes to implementing our totalitarian future clearly cost is not a factor.
Prom memory, does the Nuremberg Code not prohibit endorcement or coercing to accept medical interventions. Amazing how silent all the human rights lawyers are,
Off to press apples for cider – at least some distraction from all this.
yes i think this is the end-game to have your “proof” to engage in society.
It will be interesting how the ‘conscientious objectors’ whose personal choice is not to have the vaccine, and those groups who may be exempt from taking the vaccine for medical reasons maybe, or as someone here mentioned security services and others will be treated.
The propoganda will be endless that you have to have the jab for the greater good, “to save your granny” and other emotional bullshit.
We may need to have been vaccinated to stop the sky falling on our heads !
Surely doom and gloom is for the brainwashed ? We are the resistance, and need to focus on what we want, rather than the wet dreams of impotent psychopaths.
It’s going to be hard to do post approval evaluation of safety as well, if you are reserving use for the 85 years and above. You can pretty much guarantee that a large chunk of your vaccinated patients are going to be dead of something or other within the following few years. So much for long term follow up.
Like is said yesterday…Some of my friends still work for the various security services and they have ALL been told NOT to take the vaccine. What the fuck does that tell you!!?? People need to wake the fuck up!
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How did you get 4 upticks? 🙂
My letter in on-line BMJ yesterday – Biden’s science and the freedom to be able to discuss vaccination: But what about the swamp?Re: A US election victory for science and public health Robert Steinbrook. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4325 Dear Editor I am grateful to Robert Steinbrook [1]. Sixty years ago President Eisenhower famously wrapped up the problem in his farewell address [2]: “Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity…. “The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific/ technological elite…” The language is different from our own time, the scale of the problem [now] incomparably worse. While Donald… Read more »
It’s worth noting that the current campaign with grass-roots Republicans in the US to recount votes in certain states, confirming legal votes and exposing irregularities (and if there, fraud) is way more important than people think.
This is full-on narrative push back. A push for accountabilty. You may not like Trump, but I suspect you like truth and common sense more.
The media is running with Biden as President Elect and are basically calling Trump supporters bad losers. Yet analysis has been done on voting patterns and vote swapping showing clear algorithmic effects. And this is not even touching on voting processes being broken or ignored.
In the end if Biden won it will come out. Truth will come out. But it’s looking like a very different picture. The truth is being suppresed and as Scott Adams has been saying, there is brain washing event going on where the media is trying to tell you black is white and you shouldn’t look. The fact that the media is NOT pushing for transparency in itself is a red flag.
Precisely what we are seeing here in the UK.
The best disinfectant is sunlight
Hmm, yes, ‘bad losers’ – after 4 years of that from the demorats, they really are experts on that!
Biden standing on that podium proclaiming “Office of the President-Elect” was bizarre. Reminds me of Sturgeon grandly calling her underlings “Scottish Health Secretary” or whatever. But you would think the US constitution would be a lot “tighter” on these things
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728?term=BNT162b2&draw=2&rank=3
tells us that the Pfizer study is placebo-controlled.
It would be nice to know exactly what placebo means in this instance as it can differ. It could be a saline solution, or it could be the full vaccine formulation minus the active ingredient. The former is better if you are looking primarily for safety signals (that might be due to non-active ingredients, the latter marginally preferable if you are looking primarily at efficacy.
The logic behind using a different vaccine as control would be to intentionally induce a comparable incidence of side effects in both groups, because this gives you better blinding. This is really important when the outcome is self-reported, as the patient suspecting they did or did not get the vaccine could influence whether they report Covid symptoms or not. There are many drugs that produce classic side effects for which blinded trials are never done, because it isn’t possible to blind them.
The Astra Zeneca trial does appear to be using a saline placebo at least in the US and some countries other than Brazil: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746?term=azd1222&draw=2&rank=1
Having both type of control group will be useful.
Assuming volunteers are self-selecting “believers” presumably the slightest symptoms would make you subconciously distance more, go out less, etc, therefore skewing the results (if this is side effects of the real vaccine). I imagine all this is allowed for?
As long as the believers are equally distributed in the active and placebo groups they should have the same impact on the results in both groups. Over- (or under-) reporting could potentially influence the final relative risk calculation, but is unlikely to change the conclusion as to whether there is an effect of the vaccine or not.
Anecdotal reports are that it is relatively easy to be unblinded by absence of an immune response, especially after a second dose. I think an active vaccine control was a more sensible idea. Or an adjuvent for adjuvented vaccines (which stimulate a response and is standard placebo). I’m also wary of the first in class. It’s an impressive result for sure, and proves than mRNA can induce antigen production that then produces antibody production and protection (from disease at least). How long that protection lasts will be crucial. For reference, Lipitor was the fourth statin to market 🙂 Seldom is the first the winner, but we shall see.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108295/
Agree. Vaccines are not my thing but I do wonder if adjuvants, and excipients in general are studied adequately. It’s not as if we don’t care if these have any important safety effects, we should rather care about that.
Placebo design can be a nightmare with oral forms and none of it is ideal. At least you don’t taste a vaccine, and presumably wouldn’t have to bulk an excipient/adjuvant placebo for a few missing mRNA strands.
We could be taking weekly or fortnightly swabs for PCR from participants instead. Get rid of the patient-reported outcome and blinding participants is less relevant, though you could get differential drop-out and other second-order effects. Given the huge difference in groups, even the specificity issue with PCR won’t matter much.
As mRNA makes distribution substantially harder, I do wonder why they are going that route. Ooops, just answered my own question…
Adjuvants are typically tested alongside the vaccine candidate for efficacy with arms including adjuvant and also unadjuvanted arm(s). But also tested separately for safety.
Like the monoclonal antibodies, I suspect that the mRNA vaccines will be the “Proof of Concept” that morbidity, and perhaps SARS-CoV2 infection can be prevented. Then along will come conventional normal distribution chain spike protein plus adjuvent vaccines, tested against placebo/adjuvent. I’d hope they were looking at regular swabs to PREVENT infection – symptoms are a pretty blunt tool. Hospitalisations will be even rarer (about 2%), deaths rarer still (0.4%). And of course it might all wear off in three months. Drug development has a habit of coming back to bite you!
Oral placebos and blinding can be a challenge. The “concrete” over-capsule of a comparator that changes its absorption has not been unknown either.