The Story Behind the Number 10 Bloodbath

The Sunday Times‘s Tim Shipman has written one of the best pieces about Dom’s departure from Downing Street for today’s papers, as you’d expect. Shipman has authored two books about the Brexit drama and is working on a third and it’s clear that Dom is one of his main sources. But to be fair to Tim, he’s clearly been briefed by both sides and his piece is fairly balanced.
In Tim’s telling, the conflict between Dominic Cummings and Lee Cain on the one hand, and Allegra Stratton and Carrie Symonds on the other, is a battle for Boris’s soul. What kind of Prime Minister is he going to be?
At its simplest, it was a division between the Vote Leave faction of Brexiteer buccaneers – led by Cummings and Cain – who guided Johnson to his victories in the 2016 EU referendum, the Tory leadership contest and last year’s election – and others, led by Symonds and Stratton, who remember more fondly the consensual figure who twice won the London mayoralty in a Labour city.
In the end, Johnson decided he quite liked that version of himself too. As one Cabinet minister put it: “Boris has finally decided that he wants to be the Prime Minister rather than a kidnap victim.”
The spin being put on events by those on Dom’s side is that Boris is a weak and indecisive Prime Minister who relied on Michael Gove to make decisions on his behalf. Boris initially asked Lee to become his Chief of Staff, but changed his mind when Lady Macbeth kicked up a stink, egged on by Allegra. Carrie wants the Prime Minister to be “pink Stetson Boris” – a reference to when he put on said headgear at a Pride parade. But that would be a mistake, according to the Brexiteers, because the people who elected him are provincial conservatives, not metropolitan luvvies. The two ladies claim not to like Dom and Lee because they’ve presided over a culture of machismo and heavy drinking at Number 10, but in reality it’s because the two women are snobs, according to friends of the Brexit duo.
Cain’s allies are incensed by what they see as a cabal of “posh southern women” who have ousted a working-class man from Ormskirk in Lancashire. “This bloke is a working-class outsider who went from dressing as a chicken to become the prime minister’s director of communications,” said a leading Tory strategist. “He got the job on merit without going to a fancy school or Oxford or being on the BBC. There’s something distasteful about the glee with which they have greeted his demise.”
The other side of the story is that Dom is a psychotic control freak and Lee in his “mini me”.
The row over the future of Cain exhumed long-standing ministerial hatred of Cummings and his culture of aggression. Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, was furious when Cain peremptorily sacked Neil Tweedie, a special adviser to the Transport Secretary, allegedly for leaking details of a meeting that Tweedie says he was not even in – a situation that is still the subject of HR negotiations.
Allies of Symonds refer to the duo as “the mad mullahs”. One senior cabinet minister calls Cummings David Koresh, after the cult leader who caused the tragic Waco siege in Texas in 1993. Symonds and Stratton, in close contact, both worked on Johnson. “Carrie was depressed,” another friend said. “She didn’t think this was who Boris is.”
Other ministers and donors had complained for months that Cummings would sit at the back of what were supposed to be one-on-one meetings with Johnson. One donor, irate at finding Cummings “huffing and puffing” in one encounter with Johnson asked him: “Are you on drugs?” When Cummings said, “No,” he added: “Surely you should be on some sort of medication.”
One ally said: “Dom has basically spent most of the last year telling people to f*** off. People who should have been his allies were not there for him this week.”
Worth reading in full.
Is Carrie Wearing the Trousers?

Glen Owen, Dan Hodges and Katie Hind also have some inside dope in the Mail on Sunday. According to them, Carrie threw a “victory party” after Dom’s departure.
Just hours after Dominic Cummings had left No 10 on Friday afternoon, his few allies who remained in the building claim that they heard the distinctive strains of a “victory party” from the Downing Street flat inhabited by Carrie Symonds.
Ms Symonds’ friends deny that there was a “boisterous celebration” – the latest in a vicious cycle of claim, denial and counter-claim by the warring factions – but there can be little doubt that Boris Johnson’s fiancee has emerged triumphant in the extraordinary power struggle she has waged with the adviser and Lee Cain, Mr Cummings’ Vote Leave ally.
It culminated with Mr Cummings carrying out his belongings in a cardboard box, following a final meeting in which Mr Johnson is said to have rebuked the two aides for describing Ms Symonds as “Princess Nut Nut” – something else which is denied by No 10.
Although the Mail on Sunday team try not to pick sides, they’ve clearly been well-briefed by Carrie’s allies.
Friends of Ms Symonds say that she has “no regrets” about opposing Mr Cain’s appointment and thinks that “a more diverse group of voices” should advise the Prime Minister. They say her professional experience mean she was well-qualified to share her views.
One told the Mail on Sunday: “Surely it is in the Prime Minister’s interest that he hears from a range of people. That’s the way to have a fairer and more successful operation.
“What man wouldn’t ask their informed partner for their opinion on something to do with work, particularly when it is a world they have known for many, many years.
“If you see something that needs altering why wouldn’t you say so? To think the Prime Minister can’t make his own mind up is silly.”
The friends describe the attacks on her as sexist.
“The idea that she is a woman and therefore shouldn’t have a voice is unfair,” said one. “The vitriol and bitterness towards her has been quite something, chances are they would not happen to a man.
“It is saddening to see that she is being attacked for having a view. Downing Street has been devoid of senior women and the more rounded opinions which they offer.”
Women offer “more rounded opinions” than men?
Sounds a bit desperate.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: One Conservative Party insider told me last night that Boris and Rishi spent the evening phoning close allies of the party in the business world claiming he was buffaloed into Lockdown 2.0 with bogus data and it wasn’t going to happen again. I don’t think that’s true – I think Boris made the decision knowing full well the data didn’t support it and wants to avoid being blamed for all the pain and misery it will cause. But if that’s the spin he wants to put on it that is quite helpful nevertheless.
Executive Editor of the BMJ Thunders Against Corruption of the Medical-Political Complex

This doesn’t happen every day. The Executive Editor of the BMJ, Kamran Abbasi, has written a blistering editorial taking aim at the “state corruption” that Covid has unleashed.
Politicians and governments are suppressing science. They do so in the public interest, they say, to accelerate availability of diagnostics and treatments. They do so to support innovation, to bring products to market at unprecedented speed. Both of these reasons are partly plausible; the greatest deceptions are founded in a grain of truth. But the underlying behaviour is troubling.
Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. COVID-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health. Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency – a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.
The UK’s pandemic response provides at least four examples of suppression of science or scientists. First, the membership, research, and deliberations of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) were initially secret until a press leak forced transparency. The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE, while exposing under-representation from public health, clinical care, women, and ethnic minorities. Indeed, the Government was also recently ordered to release a 2016 report on deficiencies in pandemic preparedness, Operation Cygnus, following a verdict from the Information Commissioner’s Office.
Next, a Public Health England report on COVID-19 and inequalities. The report’s publication was delayed by England’s Department of Health; a section on ethnic minorities was initially withheld and then, following a public outcry, was published as part of a follow-up report. Authors from Public Health England were instructed not to talk to the media. Third, on October 15th, the editor of the Lancet complained that an author of a research paper, a UK Government scientist, was blocked by the Government from speaking to media because of a “difficult political landscape”.
Now, a new example concerns the controversy over point-of-care antibody testing for COVID-19. The Prime Minister’s Operation Moonshot depends on immediate and wide availability of accurate rapid diagnostic tests. It also depends on the questionable logic of mass screening – currently being trialled in Liverpool with a suboptimal PCR test.
The incident relates to research published this week by the BMJ, which finds that the Government procured an antibody test that in real world tests falls well short of performance claims made by its manufacturers. Researchers from Public Health England and collaborating institutions sensibly pushed to publish their study findings before the government committed to buying a million of these tests but were blocked by the health department and the prime minister’s office. Why was it important to procure this product without due scrutiny? Prior publication of research on a preprint server or a government website is compatible with The BMJ’s publication policy. As if to prove a point, Public Health England then unsuccessfully attempted to block The BMJ’s press release about the research paper.
He then goes on to support Mike Yeadon’s hypothesis – not quite a conspiracy theory – that we’re witnessing a “convergence of opportunism” during this crisis.
The UK’s pandemic response relies too heavily on scientists and other Government appointees with worrying competing interests, including shareholdings in companies that manufacture COVID-19 diagnostic tests, treatments, and vaccines. Government appointees are able to ignore or cherry pick science – another form of misuse – and indulge in anti-competitive practices that favour their own products and those of friends and associates.
How might science be safeguarded in these exceptional times? The first step is full disclosure of competing interests from Government, politicians, scientific advisers, and appointees, such as the heads of Test and Trace, diagnostic test procurement, and vaccine delivery. The next step is full transparency about decision making systems, processes, and knowing who is accountable for what.
Once transparency and accountability are established as norms, individuals employed by government should ideally only work in areas unrelated to their competing interests. Expertise is possible without competing interests. If such a strict rule becomes impractical, minimum good practice is that people with competing interests must not be involved in decisions on products and policies in which they have a financial interest.
For an editorial like this to appear in a leading scientific journal is unprecedented. Worth reading in full.
Kamran Abbasi is mad as hell and he’s not going to take it anymore.
Stop Press: According to the Sunday Times, one of the Britain’s most influential lobbyists secretly served as an adviser to a health minister for six months – before sending sensitive information on lockdown policy to paying clients. This was the headline finding of a major investigation by the paper into privileged access for friendly lobbyists and £1.5 billion worth of contracts awarded to Tory-linked companies. This will be more grist to Kamran Abbasi’s mill.
How Stressed is the NHS?

My top doctor friend has been pouring over the NHS’s latest data. He’s not convinced the NHS is under nearly as much pressure as the Chief Scientific Officer and Chief Medical Officer suggested in the run-up to the second lockdown.
When is a Covid Patient not a Covid patient?
On November 12th the NHS released a monthly summary of COVID hospital data.
I was hoping it might answer my key questions:
- How many patients reported as admitted every day from the community actually have Covid symptoms?
- How many patients reported as Covid inpatients are in hospital because they are ill with Covid rather than simply testing positive as a consequence of routine testing and are asymptomatic?
- How many patients caught Covid while in hospital having been admitted for other reasons – i.e., the rate of hospital-acquired infection.
- What is the average length of stay of a Covid patient?
The first two questions address the possibility that we could have a ‘casedemic’ rather than a genuine second wave pandemic. The third question on hospital-acquired infection rates goes to the issue of whether admitting symptomatic Covid patients into general hospitals might be making the problem worse. The last question informs assessment of the burden of care on the NHS and whether predictions of the system becoming overwhelmed absent a lockdown were credible.
I’m going to work through a couple of examples to illustrate just how difficult it is to answer these questions using the figures presented by the NHS and reported on the TV. Apologies if this is a bit dense and difficult to understand, but it’s important.
Take November 4th.
The categories of figures presented by NHS Statistics are as follows
Number of patients admitted with Covid in last 24 hrs: 296
Of that number, 113 (38%) were under 65 years of age (lower risk). It isn’t clear whether these 296 patients were admitted with symptoms of Covid and a positive test result, but for the purposes of the exercise we will assume so.
Total number of inpatients diagnosed with Covid within previous 24 hrs: 1,001
It’s clear that the number of patients with positive tests on arrival to hospital is much lower than those who test positive while in hospital. We aren’t told when the patients diagnosed in hospital had their swabs taken – because patients are swabbed multiple times in hospital.
In the October monthly round up, there were different categories of swab dates, so it was easier to figure out which patients had become Covid positive while in hospital and when they became positive in relation to the date of admission. In November, these columns have disappeared. I don’t understand why we aren’t allowed to see that information this month, because it’s an important indicator of the rate of in-hospital infection.
NHS management argues that even an asymptomatic Covid patient imposes a greater burden on hospital staff because of the need to shield staff and other patients. There is justification for that view, but it does not explain why this information is kept from the public. Concealing such data just reinforces suspicion and fosters a lack of trust in the system – precisely the opposite of what’s needed.
Discharges total: 977
Whenever one hears Covid inpatients discussed on TV, there is never any reference to patients getting better and being discharged from hospital. In fact the overwhelming majority of patients in hospital for COVID are only in hospital for a few days and are then discharged home.
Further, in the slide deck leaked last week there is a reference to the NHS investigating the possibility of providing care at home to Covid patients rather than admitting them to hospital – I wonder why that is?
Could it be a clandestine acknowledgement that there is a serious problem with in-hospital cross-infection control? Graph 1 shows that the rate of discharges of COVID patients is much the same as the rate of in-hospital diagnoses. So, if the NHS could get on top of the estimated 20% of self-generated hospital-acquired infections by only admitting the seriously ill, it might relieve pressure.

Covid ICU patients: 986
On November 5th there were 986 patients in English ICUs suffering from Covid-related symptoms out of a total of 3,291 ICU patients – about 30%. That’s a significant percentage of the total. Numbers in ICU tend to mount up because patients often stay a long time – and the sicker they are, the longer they stay. The average length of ICU stay for survivors is five days and for non survivors eight days (ICNARC report).
What the new data does not say – but the leaked NHS slide deck reveals – is that there was substantial spare ICU capacity still available in the system as of November 1st, with bed occupancy running at an average of 78%. This has been flagged up by the helpful graphic from the Spectator Covid tracker (Chart 1). It is important to recognise that the NHS has expanded its critical care capacity since the spring and most trusts have put in place escalation plans where normal ward beds can be converted to higher intensity care to meet rising demand – prudent preparation. So, when the figures suggest spare capacity on a percentage basis it’s true to say that overall capacity has increased since last year. The fact that such plans have been put in place ought to mitigate exaggerated predictions of impending doom in favour of more measured and nuanced advice to policy makers.

The proportion of Covid patients admitted to ICU has fallen from 12-13 % to 8-9%. There are several possible reasons for this, all of which may play a part. Some hospital doctors have suggested that the disease is not as severe as it was in the spring. Treatments such as high dose steroids and anti-coagulants administered early in the course of the disease may reduce the proportion of patients needing ICU care and shorten hospital stays. In addition, there may be measurement artefact if substantial numbers of patients recorded as suffering from Covid do not in fact have the disease (false positives) or may be positive for Covid but are in hospital for other reasons and do not have Covid symptoms.
(Graph 2 – NB the spike in early September is a recording error in the data and can be ignored).

In the two weeks up to November 5th, the number of ICU patients in the worst affected English regions was essentially stable with the exception of the Midland region which had seen a significant increase, recently levelling off – note these figures were known to the NHS before the Parliamentary lockdown vote on November 4th but to my recollection not referenced in any of the alarming public briefings. The other English regions had negligible numbers of Covid ICU patients – not worth recording on Graph 3.

Chris Hopson (CEO of NHS Providers) has criticised using ICU occupancy as a measure of Covid pressure on the basis that acute ward pressures are a more representative measure of the stress. That’s a reasonable point, but he forgot to address the revelation from the leaked slide deck that oxygen utilisation by trusts is no higher than normal at this time of year, and although there undoubtedly is pressure on hospitals in the North of England, the NHS is managing it. Hopson’s extraordinary argument that the entire population should remain under indefinite house arrest so that the NHS can continue doing elective surgery surely tests the extreme limit of deformation professionelle.
Finally, where are the deaths? True, there’s a time lag between community infection, hospitalisations, ICU stays and deaths. But one would have expected to see a rise in deaths by now – and it hasn’t happened (Chart 2). The tiny increase in deaths to October 30th is all due to deaths at home – there are no excess deaths recorded by the ONS from respiratory disease.

For clarity, I should say that Covid is a nasty infection. It can make people very ill and sometimes die. I certainly hope I don’t get it. That said, I think I’m sufficiently informed about the risks to make up my own mind with respect to sensible and proportionate precautions – and my fellow citizens are, too.
I’m sure the answers to the questions posed in my opening paragraph are known to NHS executives. If they do not know the answers, they really ought to. When they do know, the information should be made available to Members of Parliament and the public without spin or exaggeration.
I have little doubt that senior NHS managers will take the view that I have no right to be shown all the information that informs their decisions or advice to Government. That the public should just obediently take instruction on trust and comply with Government recommendations indefinitely without asking impertinent questions. I don’t accept that, obviously. If it is necessary for my freedoms to be curtailed, I require a full explanation. I expect complete disclosure of the information behind such recommendations and it should be open to interrogation by experts not affiliated to the Government machine. I expect the restrictions to be publicly reviewed on a regular basis. I take great exception to the view expressed to the Parliamentary Science and Technology Committee by Sir John Bell, Regius Professor of Medicine at Oxford, that if the public “behave themselves” then some “freedoms may be restored”. On what basis does this man presume such authority over others?
All of this goes to the issue of whether Parliament was properly informed before the lockdown vote. For what it’s worth, I don’t think the data I’ve seen supports the conclusions drawn by decision makers and their advisors. I readily concede I am not an expert in infectious disease epidemiology, but I am a reasonably well informed medical professional with over 30 years clinical experience. If the experts can’t convince me of the need for a full lockdown, their argument is in trouble. Even the BMJ is pushing back against the concealment of information and repression of open debate (see above).
If Members of Parliament were not provided with adequately contextualised information before the lockdown vote – and that information was readily available in the NHS – that’s a scandal. We should be far more worried about that than we are about the virus.
Finally, I note the following from an article in the Financial Times dated November 13th:
NHS Providers said in a letter to Mr Sunak that if his review on November 25th failed to allocate the necessary money for 2021-22, “the health and wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of . . . patients is at risk”.
I’m sure I’ve heard that before somewhere.
Covid Recovery Group Continues to Grow

The new group of sceptical Tory MPs – the Covid Recovery Group – can now boast 70 members and it’s unlikely to stop there. The Telegraph has more.
Boris Johnson is facing a growing revolt against lockdown restrictions, as more than 30 MPs who voted for the current measures joined a Parliamentary group opposed to any extension of restrictions.
The Covid Recovery Group, which launched on Wednesday to fight the imposition of a third national lockdown at the beginning of next month, has grown substantially and now numbers around 70 MPs.
The Telegraph can disclose that recruits include more than 30 lawmakers who supported the current lockdown, among them Damian Green, the former Deputy Prime Minister, Tom Tugendhat, the senior backbencher, and many members of the Conservative Party’s 2019 intake of MPs.
The group will oppose any return to a national shutdown of the economy when lockdown is lifted on December 2nd.
Excellent news. But surely, merely opposing an extension of the second lockdown – or, God forbid, the imposition of a third one – isn’t enough? The group must make it clear to Boris that plunging us back into Tier 3 on December 3rd would be unacceptable too.
Worth reading in full.
More Evidence the Pfizer Announcement was Delayed Until After the US Election

A reader tells me about an interesting conversation he had with a friend who’s been working on the delivery of the new vaccine.
I’ve just had a long conversation with a friend I’ve not caught up with for a couple of months, who it turns out is working on efforts to get the new Pfizer vaccine to hospitals for December.
They have been busy for weeks working on the practicalities of getting the vaccine to a short list of hospitals.
They are worried about actually being able to meet the target in the timescales given and also the reaction from people who clamour for the vaccine when it’s only going to some hospitals initially.
They started the whole story off by telling me they had been working on it for a week and half before the announcement. That it was action stations and they were sworn to secrecy.
Our local hospital is on the list to get it first and yesterday in the school playground my interest was piqued when my wife heard someone who works at the hospital explain they were getting it in December when another parent asked them about the vaccine.
So it seems clear the announcement was delayed to damage Trump, and the UK was in on it, as the NHS has been preparing since before election day to roll it out before Christmas to a select list of NHS hospitals.
Something else needs looking into further as well. My friend mentioned that an obscure law was being used to get it through quickly.
Something to do with using an existing approved drug but for a different purpose. Ironic considering the furore surrounding Hydroxychloroquine.
But if this is an existing drug then it’s not a new vaccine is it?
We joked about NHS staff coming down with a wave of side effects over Christmas, and my friend agreed with me that really what most people want is to actually be infected with the virus before Christmas so they gain 99.9% immunity and not 90% with a vaccine.
Who wants to risk a 1 in 10 chance of harming a vulnerable loved one?
Anyway, the snake oil is coming, and it’s coming to an NHS hospital near me.
Stop Press: Zero Hedge reveals that Fauci shared the news of Pfizer/BioNTech’s successful trial with Biden before Trump.
Are Children Being Deprived of Real World, Physical Experiences?

Today I’m publishing another piece by Dr Sinead Murphy, a Philosophy Lecturer at Newcastle University. This one is about the downgrading of real-world experiences in favour of virtual experiences – a phenomenon that predates the coronavirus crisis, but which has been accelerated by it. Here’s an extract about the recent funeral of the English footballer Nobby Stiles.
The funeral took place on Thursday of the footballer Nobby Stiles, who died last week at the age of 78. He was part of the famous triumph of the English national team at the World Cup of 1966. Footage has been playing again, of Nobby celebrating this win, dancing on the muddy pitch of victory, cup in one hand, false teeth in the other, smiling from ear to ear.
Nobby is not ‘physical’ in the manner of current premier footballers. He does not have the sculpted body. He does not have the styled hair. He does not perform for the camera, fake-kissing his girlfriend, fake-rocking his baby, holding his ear to hush the media or the crowd. And yet, because of his non-studied physicality, Nobby presents as markedly more real, more part of the physical world, than today’s poster stars. Streaked with mud from the pocked grass pitch, hair askew in greasy, dirt-stiff spikes, and with more teeth in his clutching fist than in the gums at the front of his mouth, Nobby is nobody’s avatar. Nobby is a man of flesh and blood. Any ten-year-old might have aspired to Nobby: not to his kit, not to his boots, not to his hair, but to his game.
There were only a few at Nobby’s funeral, another event de-physicalized by Covid prevention measures. No crowds lining the streets. A handful of fans outside the stadium. This footballer from the physical world, sent home to a virtual grave.
Worth reading in full.
Jab Jingles
A reader has sent through five suggestions for some catch-phrases to encourage people to get vaccinated. Can you come up with any more?
ivApparently, members of the Psychology Dept at Yale University were asked to come up with nine psychological incentives/coercions to get Americans lining up for their COVID-19 vaccine. I’m sure something similar will be cooking here. To save time and probably a few million I’ve done a quick fry up. Or at least I’ve got to five but am stuck for the other four. Any ideas anyone?
1. A jab in your arm will do the trick
of saving your Nan from getting sick2. Inform on those who won’t comply,
aquired immunity is simply a lie3. Don’t be fooled by herd immunity
only a jab can save your community4. Think of others, don’t be mean
shareholders need feeding, book your vacc-ine.5. Keep Safe, Keep Distant and Cover Your Face
only this vaccine will save the human race.
Stop Press: The Telegraph reports that various trademarks have been filed by BioNTech for the Covid vaccine. Names include Rnaxcovi, Kovimerna and Comirnaty, but Covuity is looking like the strong favourite
How Prevalent is Long Covid?
Yesterday, we published something about the poll that Savanta ComRes had carried out for Conservative Woman that, among other things, found the public thinks one in three people who recover from COVID-19 suffer from Long Covid. The Telegraph, which reported this finding, claimed the real figure was one in 20.
But a reader has got in touch to point out that 1 in 20 is an over-estimate.
I was just reading your article on LDS “Public Think Average Age of Covid Deaths is 65, Among Other Misconceptions” and the comment from the Telegraph that Long Covid affects 1 in 20 Covid sufferers.
I would argue that that statement is wrong for two reasons:
Firstly it implies that the 1 in 20 figure for Long Covid relates to all Covid sufferers whereas the King’s College London research where this claim comes from (see below) only related to symptomatic cases; and
The KCL team were keen to publicise the 1 in 20 figure for people suffering Long Covid for over eight weeks. However, ‘chronic’ conditions usually relate to diseases lasting over 12 weeks.The effect of both of these assumptions is to greatly increase the perceived risk from Long Covid.
Symptomatic v. Asymptomatic figures
As mentioned above, I imagine that the 1 in 20 figure comes from the King’s College London paper of October 21st 2020:
“New research identifies those most at risk from ‘long COVID’
A new analysis by researchers at King’s, using data from the COVID Symptom Study app, shows that one in 20 people with COVID-19 are likely to suffer symptoms for 8 weeks or more (so-called ‘long COVID’), potentially adding up to many hundreds of thousands in the UK and millions worldwide” (my emphasis).
This finding was cited by Mr. Hancock in Parliament.However, what seems to have passed most commentators by is that in the body of the report the KCL team say, “Extrapolating out to the general UK population, which has a different age and gender makeup compared with the Covid Symptom Study app users, the team estimated that around one in seven (14.5%) of people with symptomatic COVID-19 would be ill for at least four weeks, one in 20 (5.1%) for eight weeks and one in 45 (2.2%) for 12 weeks or more” (my emphasis).
NERVTAG reviewed asymptomatic cases in their paper of September 9th and determined that 28% of all Covid infections are asymptomatic.
There is some dispute as to whether this figure should be much higher but to be conservative I’ll go with 28%.That means that the Long Covid prevalence stated by the KCL Team should be reduced proportionately to account for all (symptomatic and asymptomatic) Covid cases, i.e.:
4 weeks: 14.5% x 0.72 = 10.4% or 1 in 10
8 weeks: 5.1% x 0.72 = 3.7% or 1 in 27
12 weeks: 2.2% x 0.72 = 1.6% or 1 in 63Unfortunately, either through intent or ignorance the journalists are happy to imply that the 1 in 20 figure applies to all Covid cases which, according to the research, is not correct.
Definition of ‘chronic’
The second point is that the way Long Covid has been described by the researchers is akin to a chronic disease such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME. That oracle of truth, Wikipedia, defines a “chronic condition” as “a human health condition or disease that is persistent or otherwise long-lasting in its effects or a disease that comes with time. The term chronic is often applied when the course of the disease lasts for more than three months”.
Given that that appears to be a standard definition of a chronic condition, it’s odd that the KCL team focused on the 1 in 20, eight weeks figure. Maybe it bigged up its headline for PR purposes?
Conclusion
In summary, if we revise the Long Covid prevalence figures to cover all Covid sufferers, and focus on conditions lasting over 12 weeks, the result is 1.6% or 1 in 63 of all Covid sufferers at risk from Long Covid. Quite different from the publicised 5.1% and 1 in 20 figures. A highly unpleasant condition, no doubt, but hardly supporting the Government, SAGE and media hysteria.
Stop Press: You can read more detail about that Conservative Woman poll here. Some truly hair-raising misunderstandings on the part of the public. You’d think the BBC, instead of worrying about sceptics spreading “misinformation”, would examine why so many zealots are woefully misinformed.
Devil’s Dictionary Entries

Readers have been submitting their entries for the Devil’s Dictionary, after another reader kicked us off yesterday. The best so far are:
Social Distancing, n. An oxymoron
Second wave, n. A gesture of farewell as Boris exits 10 Downing street after only a year as Prime Minister.
CBA, abbrev. Essential aspect of Government policy: Can’t Be Arsed. Often mistaken for Cost Benefit Analysis.
Parliamentary scrutiny, n. Silently judging other MPs’ homes as seen on a Zoom call.
False positive, n. Optimism that lockdown will end; peaked in 2026 before dwindling in prevalence.
Covid-secure protocols, n. Torture method designed to suck any remaining life out of those who dare leave home.
Double-spacing, n. Socially responsible email formatting.
Lockdown, n. Flattening the curve by expanding yours.
Science, The, n. A set of arcane, immutable practices and protocols guaranteed to ensure safety and long life to those who follow them in a spirit of blind, unwavering faith. Not to be confused with science.
Herd immunity, n. [THIS ACCOUNT HAS BEEN REMOVED]
Incomprehensible PCR Test Instructions

A reader has let us know about his experience of trying to follow the instructions when taking a PCR test at a drive-through testing centre. Sounds predictably hopeless.
I am not an epidemiologist or a biologist. I am however a psychologist, and I have something of a specialism in consulting to and training with businesses needing to develop their skills and effectiveness in writing and publishing complex instructions.
A couple of days ago I was coughing and spluttering a bit, the result I thought of a slight cold that had hung around for a few days. I wouldn’t have bothered with a PCR test myself, but social pressure being what it is in these times meant pressure from those around me to head off to the nearest drive-through. So I booked a test and did so.
In my professional view the instructions and the process are too complex, and are given too quickly, for the samples collected to be reliable in the way that they are clearly intended to be.
1) Instructions are given too rapidly. There is a summary from a worker who speaks to you very quickly over the phone. Then written instructions are given in a little more detail. These come in a seven-page booklet.
2) You feel under pressure to get the job done quickly, because i) the staff are speaking and moving quickly, ii) you are aware there is a queue of people behind you and iii) you have been told to expect the whole thing to take only a few minutes.
3) I felt, myself, a little uncertain about what was required. I don’t want to blow my own trumpet, but I’m a speaker of English as a first language, I have three degrees, two professional qualifications and 20-odd letters after my name. If I was struggling to follow quickly, it stands to reason that those who are not fortunate enough to start from the same position as me in some respects would be likely not to understand what was being asked.
4) It is axiomatic in any kind of adult learning context that the only reliable way to gauge levels of understanding is to assess those levels in some active way – for example to ask your audience a question or ask them to conduct some part of the operation under supervision, so that you can check that there has been understanding of your instructions. There is nothing like this in the drive-through operation.
5) The operation of the swab itself is difficult. You are being asked to roll the swab around both tonsils for 15-20 seconds without letting it touch your tongue, lips or cheeks. Then you are asked to estimate how high up your nostril to insert the swab. You are told that this should be “2.5cm or 1 inch, until you feel a slight resistance”. In the first place, try asking 20 people to estimate 2.5cm or 1 inch with a gap between their fingers, and you’ll find yourself amused by the huge range of responses. Second, I no doubt have an unusually large nose, but 2.5cm is nowhere near enough for me to encounter resistance from my nostril. Mine’s more like 3.5cm, or 40% more than is being instructed.
I was very pleased to receive a negative result and would have been highly suspicious of a positive in these circumstances. But:
Either the precision of these instructions is important to the accuracy of the outcome – in which case, they are likely to be far too complex for most people.
Or it is not important to the accuracy of the outcome – in which case why is it stated repeatedly that it is?
Postcard From Tanzania

A reader has sent us a postcard from Tanzania. Sounds heavenly.
There is normal life out there beyond the Covid black hole known as the UK. We’re just back from a three-week safari in Tanzania where day-to-day interactions with other human beings are, well, normal.
Indeed, throughout most of Africa there are more important things to worry about than a corona virus.
Yes, simple practical common sense precautions are in place like hand sanitizer stations and masks on the small bush planes, but that’s about it.
The welcome we received without exception was tremendous but we were just so pleased to be there and were privileged to have magical wildlife encounters with no-one else around and see a couple of great migration river crossings with less than a handful of other people present.
All this added up to a very special adventure but this is tempered somewhat by the fact that many camps remain closed because of the lack of tourists with those that are open operating on reduced staff for obvious reasons.
Unlike the UK, the hard fact facing people in Tanzania is no work, no job, no pay. That would concentrate minds wonderfully here.
We can only hope that common sense prevails over hysteria with so many people’s lives in other parts of the world so drastically affected. Not just the humans but the wildlife too…
Round-Up
- “Our panicking Prime Minister is bankrupting Britain” – Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday believes the Government is being reckless it its handling of the country’s finances, relying overmuch on the Bank of England printing money
- “Boris Johnson fears revenge of Dominic Cummings and Lee Cain” – More from Tim Shipman, who’s been told by a leading Brexiteer that a campaign will soon be launched to expose Boris’s unfitness for office
- “Is the net closing in on the ‘Chatty Rat’ behind the COVID-19 leak?” – The Mail on Sunday says the ‘Chatty Rat’ is a member of Michael Gove’s team
- “Why Dominic Cummings had to go” – Robert Peston weighs in for the Spectator
- “The new Covid religion” – Andy Shaw in Spectator Life on the cults springing up around Covid
- “Fire kills ten in COVID-19 ward: Hospital blaze breaks out at intensive care unit in Romania” – Tragic fire in a Romanian hospital
- “Dame Sally Davies: obesity scourge led to 50,000 Covid death toll” – Former health chief claims failure to address the crisis of overeating and cheap junk food caused extra fatalities
- “Families rebel against punitive care home Covid rules” – More inhuman cruelty by care home manager trying to enforce absurd guidance
- “Alito warns coronavirus restrictions shouldn’t outlast the pandemic” – The Supreme Court Justice warns about the danger of restrictions on civil liberties becoming permanent
- “Police FORCED to withdraw first Covid fine today in Melbourne” – Good news out of Melbourne – a $1,652 police fine has been overturned by the courts
- “Oxford Students Start Anti-Lockdown Movement” – Encouraging development at Oxford University
- “Hector Drummond has joined Boxer at the glue factory” – Hector Drummond Magazine, a great source of high-level sceptical articles, is being shut down. RIP
- “In virus-gripped Europe there are signs the second wave may have passed its peak” – Across much of the Continent there are signs the so-called second wave is slowing and may have passed its peak
- “Paris hospitals begin to see signs of hope despite virus surge” – Mortality has dropped by nearly half if you compare the first wave with the second, according to a senior French doctor
- “It’s shameful how we have locked down our elderly” – Matthew Paris in the Spectator says we should never have locked down the over-75s
- “Don’t silence the anti-vaxxers” – Excellent piece by Dr Joanna Williams in the Spectator taking issue with the Royal Society and British Academy’s recommendation that anti-vaxxers spreading disinformation should be jailed
- “I won’t let the bleeding heart eco-woke ride roughshod over our countryside” – Beefy Botham says that when he takes his place in the House of Lords he’s going to campaign for the true conservationists – gamekeepers and the like – and against the eco-warriors led by the BBC’s Chris Packham
- “Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals” – The AIER’s Jeffrey A. Tucker reports on a study that found even a militarily-enforced extreme lockdown didn’t reduce infection
- “Bristol anti-lockdown protest” – 14 people were arrested at a protest in Bristol yesterday, including Piers Corbyn
- “Ivor Cummins on lockdowns, immunity, curves, mortality rates, and making sense of the world’s Covid” – Interview with Ivor Cummins on the Energy Blueprint
- “False-positive COVID-19 results: hidden problems and costs” – Paper in the Lancet discussing the potential disruption to health and social services, among other things, thanks to false positives
- “Professor Fuellmich Takes Government and WHO to Court Over COVID” – The German law professor has filed charges in his Crimes Against Humanity case against governments around the world and the WHO
- “Sir Rocco Forte: ‘there has been a huge overreaction to Covid, and now we’re down £100 million’” – Sir Rocco reveals he’s down about £100 million so far this year. Shocking
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Please Release Me” by Engelbert Humperdinck, “Won’t Get Fooled Again” by the Who and “For What It’s Worth” by Buffalo Springfield.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Stop Press: A 20 year-old Italian man has been fined 400 euros for kissing his girlfriend in public.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.
Stop Press: A reader in Devon has let us know about a terrible development at her favourite health food shop.
I have been a customer of Nature’s Larder, a Health Food Shop with therapy rooms in Ivybridge, Devon for around 20 years. Since the imposition of the face mask rules, they had, until today, still allowed me entry although I do not wear a mask. I simply explained that I claim exemption.
Today, armed with quite a list of items I wanted to buy, I was surprised to see several notices at the windows and on a billboard outside stating “No Mask No Entry”. In smaller letters underneath it said that those without masks would be served at the door. The shop owner was in the doorway so I expressed my disappointment at this harsh measure. His response was something to do with having to become very stringent due to cases rising so fast, but he was happy to serve me at the door.
Well actually I wouldn’t be happy to accept being stigmatised as a potential leper, so to his evident surprise I declined and walked away.
Words fail me at this point, but I hope this madness doesn’t spread any further.
Needless to say, cases are not rising in South Devon.
The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 650,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here and here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.
Sir Winston Churchill
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.
Richard Feynman
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An interesting point raised on another forum: will insurance companies give lower premiums for those who have had the vaccine? Or might it be the other way round?
Frankly, I think anyone who gets the vaccine will be in for a lifetime of potential problems like autoimmune disorders. I’d lower premiums from those not taking the vaccine since they have a 99.7% chance of surviving and will have natural immunity.
The Executive Editor of the BMJ clearly agrees with you.
Further to Toby’s quote from yesterdays editorial
‘. . .cherry picking favourable reports* or gagging scientists is a danger to public health causing deaths by exposing people to unsafe or ineffective interventions and preventing them from benefiting from better ones’
*by those with financial ulterior motives as previously mentioned in Toby’s quote.
Well I think it’s a great question, because although the drug companies can be pre-indemnified against the side effects their products cause, the problem is just pushed onto the insurance companies. They effectively have to insure the vaccine via their insurance of individuals.
Just as political anoraks often look at bookmakers’ odds to get an independent no-BS feel for a political question, it will be fascinating to see what the insurance companies do. Unless the government lets them off the hook, too, somehow…
I think this is where the new ‘anti-vax’ censorship laws may come in. Maybe deals will be done but reporting on them will be effectively banned.
And of course, the vaccine may, in the end, just be a placebo. With the censorship laws keeping the lid on it…
Now share this Toby
Emergency Laws to Stamp Out Free Speech 🤐 | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhZxH2SCXE
I hear you, but there is one country, New Zealand, that cannot make do with a placebo. They need a fully functioning, bells and whistles vaccine. Sweden was the control for lockdown, NZ is the control for the vaccine…
Brilliant posting, thank you!
You are so right, Lisa. Thank you for your sensible contribution!
Deak lockdown
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“R Rate 0.9” Say Official CSS 😳 WHY Are We In Lockdown Boris?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIBfzDy2PbU
Armies of actuaries bearing away on that one Barney. They don’t have to toe the government line so their conclusion will be interesting.
If the vaccination system is as slick as test and trace you will probably be able to book a jab, not go but receive a vaccination ticket anyway!
That’ll do me
Let’s see if anybody gets it, first. I anticipate a slew of nasty and quite possibly fatal side effects among the oldies who get it, even if it gets that far. And even if that doesn’t happen, NHS incompetence will ensure it doesn’t reach the population at large until after it’s proved not to be the magic bullet thst the zombies assume it to be.
The NHS works a lot harder when pushing vaccines then when people need treatment. Its virtually impossible to get through to my GP on the phone but I received 3 calls from them trying to get my 3 year old to take the flu vaccine – apparently its more important then ever to give my child the flu vaccine to protect the NHS. As a parent I am more interested in protecting my child.
I’ve had 5 texts reminding me to take the normal flu vaccine, which I never do, usually it is only one. They have stopped asking patients to go to a singularly inconvenient location to take it instead hiring a church hall over the road in an attempt to bump up the uptake.
To get me on their Covid vaccine database I suspect.
I’m so relieved my GPs surgery doesn’t have my mobile number and maybe if people don’t want bombarding with texts and calls. they should block the surgery number.
I can’t because they also send me texts about my normal medication.
The Tories have never wanted to protect the NHS ever since Thatcher they have wanted to see it off at rock bottom price to their cronies in the City or the upstart Country they continue to preach that We have a special relationship with which We know is bullshit
Oh god not that hoary old chestnut again…move on mate for gods sake!
We tried to up-vote this as we think you are absolutely correct. And, no, we don’t give a shite if you down-vote this, whoever you are! MW
Hear hear MW!
If we have to give up our rights and liberties, decimate the economy, undermine the rule of law, hollow out democracy, be ruled by ministerial decree and be denied access to health care, what is the point of protecting the NHS?
Judy Mikovits thinks it may well activate retro viruses.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-judy-mikovits-explains-why-50-million-americans-may-die-this-fall-about-17-of-the-entire-popu_qzC5t9Kkpj1dJ4v.html
WOW!!!!!
The effects you describe may be seen as a feature, rather than a bug by the people in charge.
What better way to ease the burden on under- and unfunded pension liabilities?
Interesting question. Insurance companies usually get it right, so perhaps it’d be a good idea to watch how they’re viewing the situation to get an idea of the risk factors.
Good point. Likewise the actuarial valuation of annuities and pension. If you DON’T have the vaccine, you should get a higher pension!
Not sure real economics count for jack any more. It’s the politics, stupid.
I don’t think it would have a significant impact on life insurance but may do for critical illness and to a lesser extent income protection.
Ramping up the fear.
The Uks chief vet has declared an Avian Influenza Prevention Zone (AIPZ) over the whole of England to reduce the risk of the disease spreading after birds in Devon were discovered to have been infected.
One adult swan and five cygnets were confirmed dead on Monday 9th (November) in Dawlish while others are reported to be unwell.
Other cases of the ‘highly pathogenic’ H5N8 strain have also been reported in Gloucestershire, Dorset and now Herefordshire.
All bird owners are instructed to prevent flocks mingling with wild birds. Good luck with that.
There were birds in the pub last night they seemed ok
‘ bird owner’s is sexist and offensive
This is not the 1970’s
Good, members of the public are requested to report sightings of dead birds but not to pick them up.
‘ don’t mingle with wild bird’s ‘
Just like my old mum told me
Of course cats like to ‘mingle with birds’, and even bring them into the house.
I tell you: at some point it won’t be the mink, but the cats they’re coming after…
That’s much more scary than any coronavirus!
Ah ‘mingling ‘ again, no good ever came from mingling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnYoUHZb4BI
Buddy Johnson Orchestra, Minglin’.
Shouldn’t the birds be fined if they congregate in groups of more than six?
Not if supporting Blackbirds Matter
I understand that AI outbreaks are common at this time of year, and AIPZs not uncommon.
But the press don’t warn us every year about this ‘highly pathogenic’ strain.
Funnily enough when animals migrate, be it to other countries or indeed to universities, they tend to bring bugs with them… it is a rather important feature of nature and has been happening for a while…
100s of million years at the minimum. Neurotic Hypochondriacs have a vivid imagination.
5G AI outbreaks?
One of my regular trips out into the countryside involves a stop in a very quiet lane, adjacent to a large pig rearing field. Not to imbibe the fragrant aroma, but to look for birds of prey, who find good pickings in the vicinity. I’ve always chuckled at the absurdity of a notice pinned to the fence which says (words to the effect of) “Disease Precautions – Keep Out”. Bearing in mind that large flocks of Crows, Rooks & Seagulls are always frequenting the site – and no doubt plenty of Rats also – I wonder what purpose this sign, and others like it, actually serve?
Crows are quite clever – maybe they can read now?
Scare off wimpy pig nickers?
Aha!
Cambridge town hall used to sport a notice saying ‘Nuclear Free Zone’.
And it worked. Cambridge never got nuked.
Soon we’ll be told we’re all going to die of Corvid 20 or Mad Crow Disease.
These people fear Nature. Hate it too.
I always preferred mingling with wild birds.
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“Lockdown protests: Jeremy Corbyn’s brother arrested in conspiracy theorist demonstration in Bristol.”
Happily the Mail has a much more substantial and wideranging report on both the Bristol demo and that in Liverpool with the commenters full on sceptic as usual.
Weren’t Carrie Symonds’s parents both working for the so called ‘Independent’? A strange back ground for a ‘conservative’…but maybe not these days!
Not at all ‘strange’ – the Independent was always with the mainstream (aka conservative) press.
Dear god.
PM Moron Johnson.
Another covid-nonsense induced sleepless night. Going to have to get out on the bike to get some energy and frustration burnt.
I’m sure I’m not the only one – probably another one they can add to the long list of symptoms they make up every week.
Try audiobooks, or soft music, or anything that makes you think pleasanter thoughts.
In my experience, when your body really needs sleep, it will take it, so don’t worry.
It did eventually between 6:30 and about 20 mins ago. Thanks for the advice I’m normally a sound sleeper but put it down to being in the house too much not enough fresh air
DB – I had been having the same problem. A couple of weeks ago I spent a whole week not looking at the news websites, LS or anything else COVID related. I felt a lot more positive and balanced after that. I now also have an evening cut off of about 8pm, after which I have no screen time, except sometimes for work. This has reduced the COVID thoughts at 3am.
As much as I wish to stand and fight I have to keep stepping back from it all, the damage to my mental and physical health these last 8 months not to mention my interpersonal relationships is awful. I feel more hopeful now that it’s not just a few as in March and am extremely grateful to this website. I hope we’ll be ok and eventually the public will have had enough. I’m not downloading any apps or taking any jabs so if that’s the hill I die on I’ve made my peace wit it, over to the masses…
‘ a battle for Boris’s soul’s
They would have to find it first
Probably up his ‘Rsoul’
Carrie wants find the ‘old consensual boris’s. Nothing good ever came out of consensual politics.
Both versions of dePiffle are dud. What a fool. Just go, Johnson. Give us your ‘second wave’.
Ruinous Cycle lanes came out of his time as Mayor of London.
The man is beyond pity. If all he wanted was to enjoy a young woman wouldn’t it have made more sense just to have an occasional visit to an escort? Also that way he would not have to satisfy a hungry young woman on a daily basis….no wonder he always looks fucked….as is the country under his ‘leadership’!
Ha ha, only a man could possibly write that! 9 months of pregnancy followed by birth and a baby at the breast is not conducive to nightly sex, I assure you.
Why is Johnson’s iffy girlfriend having a say on the workings of government resign Johnson take Hancock with you
Anyway, who would want it.
How can I have a good day now that I’m thinking about Johnson’s… errrr… johnson dancing at the end of a piece of string?
You’re assuming he’s got one.
she’s got his balls in her hands
I remember the moment in the “Spinal Tap” motion picture when the cricket bat-toting manager is replaced by the girlfriend, and the band’s situation nosedives.
Attacks on Symonds ‘ vicious and cowardly’……………………. says, yes you guessed it……. Symonds
Surely such an experienced political operator as Symmonds would not hide behind that old canard ?
Surely ANY experienced political operator would INSTANTLY hide behind that!
People hide behind canards when they run out of valid arguments
As usual we have the usual screeching from the feminanzis crying ‘victim’. If anyone is a victim it’s the People of this country who are governed by fools and egos.
The ousted spads were waged.
The altruistic manipulatrix of the Johnsonian joystick will run the country for free.
Think of the money we’ll save.
she’s a disgusting slut who sucks dick for money and power
Jab jingle #6
‘Don’t be a Prick,
Take the prick.’
Sexist I know, sorry.
Reminds me of Private Eye’s long-ago comment on artificial insemination:
‘Will it hurt, doctor?’
‘You won’t even feel a little prick.’
Excellent
it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 9:5 KJV
(Possible Viagra joke in there too).
Strictly not relevant. It refers to conscience. Boris hasn’t got one.
The Guardian: Sage expert:’flip-flopping’ on Covid restrictions unwise.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/15/sage-expertflip-flopping-on-covid-restrictions-unwise
Government expert Prof John Edmund should know that governments don’t run epidemics, epidemics run themselves.
Viruses gonna virus
Yes, don’t flip-flop, just lock everybody up until the magic potion arrives.
It makes me wonder about the miserable, stunted lives these Sages must always have led, insofar as they can terminate all normal human interaction without a qualm.
Committee Unifying the Nation’s Top Scientists.
Can I use that? It will go so well with our existing Customer Understanding Network Team.
It’s yours. Please deploy.
I’m coming to the conclusion that scientists in epidemiology simply weren’t good enough to get proper jobs in science.
Insulated from reality WFH on full salaries.
They’re sociopaths, they don’t do empathy.
At the beginning sage followed standard epidemiology.Edmunds ,Vallance etc are all on record advocating a policy akin to herd immunity.Why did they change and for what reason?
They bought/acquired shares in Pfizer ?
And GSK!!!
He’s a snake and she’s BS.
If I had a proper 9-5 office job could I skive off with asymptomatic Long Covid?
😏
😂 You’re on great form this morning.
Only in the public sector!
Reply to Richard
Richard, response to your question from yesterday:
The BBC, reference is https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54931723
This very much an upper bound as I have adjusted for false negatives but not false positives, so the infection rate is most likely better than this.
It is as if we were living in an episode of the Only Way is Essex meets Alice in Wonderland. It might be funny if it were not that this lot of petulant incompetent prima-donnas are in charge of our country. While lighting the wood-burner last night there was a programme on some TV channel about Churchill the contrast was stark. Despite drinking more alcohol per day than is currently recommended per week he knew what was going on; they talked about him sending a memo to the Home Secretary to stamp out pettifogging nitpicking nonsense about the way food rationing was being handled, he wanted people to support it through consensus not be annoyed by rules, I am not sure if Father Jack and Princess Nut nuts (Boris & Carrie) have a clue who the people are let alone what is going on. At the same time Churchill was a man on the move meeting and addressing the troops and the people all over the place. The contrast with our present ‘leader’ was vivid. But what strikes me overall is that we currently have time to reflect on these shenanigans at no 10. Today’s news-letter, as above, has to… Read more »
It’s a good one, isn’t it? I sent it to my sister-in-law and it converted her to the sceptics cause.
Very well done. Another one in the plus column
I posted it yesterday – no answer came the stern reply.
Not even looking at anything – think I’ve been unfollowed by them all.
They don’t want their Covid plague illusions shattered, that would hurt just too much.
Having previously read a fair bit about Churchill – including the eight-volume Gilbert biography – I’m forced to the conclusion that Johnson has read, or at least understood, nothing whatsoever about him, despite claiming to have written a biography (which I haven’t read btw).
I’ve read it it’s blustery but fair.
Johnson’s biography of Churchill? I remember reading somewhere ages ago that someone wrote it for him. No idea it that’s correct or not – but I do find it hard to imagine him having the metal discipline to sit down and write a book.
Well, Johnson has brought the British army to the streets of Britain, as Churchill did in Tonypandy.
Mankind lived for tens of thousands of years in smokey hovels, mind you they didn’t live long enough to get alzheimer’s.
Can you remember where your stove is?
What is a stove?
I’ve just watched this right through to the end. Amazing, thanks for posting.
In my opinion even back in March/April it there was little evidence of a deadly virus requiring such extreme measures – the good research(look at swiss doctors historical page) was already telling us this virus was not significantly more dangerous then the flu. Yes the media hysterics were impressive.
Remember that what was presented to us as they key evidence that we must lock down was not an analysis of the data describing what had happened – it was the now infamous Prof Furgeson model predicting what might happen and even at that time sufficient information was available to call in to question the inputs to this model.
Is there some ‘legislation’? Genuine question.
Thanks for this. I’m just listening to it.
Just watched it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. As more and more people put the thought out there that a/ this isn’t anything like as scary we first believed, and b/ if that is now known, why is it still being pushed as such, I truly hope and believe the whole ghastly mess will come tumbling down around their ears. They can’t shut us all down.
He is superb – the 2 minutes from 17.30 about homo sapiens warrants a clip on Toby’s main post. Wish I knew how to cut and paste this short clip to send to fellow humans.
watch from here for 2 minutes – his intensity brings tears to the eyes
https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE?t=1047
Devil’s Dictionary and Bonfire of the Liberties – very amusing!
Loved to poster! Best one yet I would say.
Anti lockdown demonstration in Wolverhampton as reported by BBC Midlands today: “Around 100 anti lockdown conspiracy theorists confronted by police”
That’s it then, no pictures or interviews with anyone who dares question this madness!!
MiniTrue in operation again.
So not biased then
It’s enough now.
The figures from Liverpool (336 of 90,000 people tested are infected) are the clearest indication yet, although we’ve known for months the ‘second wave’ is a small ripple.
We’ve known for months the PCR test gives huge numbers of false positives (see for example NYT 29/8).
The excess deaths are because people have been petrified by the government from going to hospital. 39% of the country think over 3 million people have died FROM COVID in the UK alone.
At least 1.2 million (in the UK) have lost their jobs.
Lockdowns have achieved virtually nothing (compare Sweden to UK/ France etc)
The worst thing is children and young people have had their lives, education and employment opportunities devastated because of the idiocy of the government.
This is a disgrace. We must act normally and older/ vulnerable people should be careful as they always should this time of year.
Let’s have a reality check.
Zombies don’t live in the real world.
Zombies don’t live.
Think bigger. We never had a serious problem in the first place. The death spike we had can’t be deconvoluted from bad practice. The issue is now people are brainwashed to believe that Covid is this big killer. Pneumonia is a big killer but we somehow just shrug that off.
This shit show isn’t about a virus, it’s about vaccines, saving dolphins, stopping the ice caps melting, stopping the sea levels rising, stopping the world heating up so its 38 degrees in December every year.
Like it is in Australia. Cos that’s global warming innit?
It’s about money, reputations,egos, power, control, coercion, lies, evil at play, universal ID, travel restrictions, cycle lanes, cutting carbon, working from home, shafting small business, killing pubs, mass brainwashing, psychological warfare, economic warfare, warfare against families, warfare against friendships, warfare against humanity.
Oh yer it might also be about a virus that’s in reality just a bit shit.
I know I may get it in the neck hereabouts but this constant vilifying of the green movement always suggesting it is the enemy of ‘real’ life and business is somewhat misplaced. Change has always occurred from hunter gatherer to settled agrarian societies, from these to heavy industry, to the digital economies of now. I reckon if you had asked a coal miner if he preferred his son to follow him down the pit, or work in an office he probably would say the latter. For years small charities and orgs. have campaigned against a variety of things ,such as de- forestation, species loss, trade in endangered species, etc.. Biodiversity is essential fir life, see E O Wilson the biologist on Biophilia. Yes there will be ‘ greenwash’ from big business but innovation and jobs will result in newer, sigh greener industries. Question to the hairy -arsed vegan bashers.. would they slit the throat of a lamb in front of their kids? or buy a nice pre. packed piece of ‘meat’ from a supermarket? also micro plastics can be found in every organ in the body, if your happy with this carry on, if not what are your suggestions to… Read more »
Why would you get it in the neck…you are entitled to your opinion and I would agree with some of it. He who hath no sin cast the first stone.
The only people who are incentivised to kill hen harriers are the followers of Packham who want shooting banned. Keepers aren’t killing hen harriers, followers of Packham are doing the killing and blaming it on the keepers.
Absolute bollox mate!
Prove it. Which, of course you can’t.
It’s morphed into a ‘Green Blob’ Those people and their concerns you speak of are cottage industries in the Green firmament. The movement has been highjacked by the self serving establishment hiding behind a chimera of concern. They’re the same elite, using people to further their own interests, rather than serving them.
I am all for using less energy, working less, buying less crap, growing your own food, de-centralised food production and supply, even UBI to some extent. Little hobbit homes in rural areas, real communities. Cycling, less air travel. Less driving of cars. Solar power, wind power, water power, tidal power.
Low energy life-styles, not eating meat, even eating a vegan diet. All Ok with me.
I like all of these things and if the plan to drive these things wasn’t powered by people who are 100% evil I would be happy with the green revolution and the great reset.
However all these goals have been forced upon us with no discussion or democratic process and no public engagement . It’s global, It’s clumsy, Its damaging and its brutish.
I concur. I’m very much on board with most of it, but what I thoroughly object to is the coercion, lying and bullying and the fact that they leave the less well off with no financially beneficial choices.
They have a solution for the poor and the workless.
Not unlike Communism which is presented as being for the benefit of the people but which always ends in brutal subjugation..
ED: if Communism worked I would be all for it but a Century of trials shows that it does not.
The killing of hen harriers disgusts and infuriates me but I’m no Green. Nowt to do with Greenism. The Duke of [insert bastard offspring location 700 years ago] as owner needs 6 months in the slammer to consider his ways, doubled and doubled again for each offence his gamekeeper hides from. Greenies just latch on to others’ causes. Total cynics. Stop killing hens you feckers! Shame on you. Right, back to virus casedemics…
I was always quite pleased that the industrial revolution had freed us from the tyranny of perpetual working on the land, always digging muddy trenches in the rain with a wooden spade.
Well said!
hear hear
There is no virus.
There is a virus. It’s just nowhere near as dangerous as “They” would have people believe.
There is no empirical evidence that the Sars-cov-2 exists and it appears to be nothing more than very expensively rebranded influenza. They must have a powerful motive for carrying out this almighty scam and I can come up with all sorts of nasty reasons why they might do all this, but nothing benign ever comes to mind or makes any sense.
The second wave was a stall tactic to prolong the farce just long enough to coincide with the beginning of the flu season..
As predicted here 6 months ago
From what I’ve read, PCR tests can’t detect infections.
I’m dizzy and exhausted from all the skulduggery. If Cristiano Ronaldo can test positive three separate times, then we know that something fishy is going on. He must be super healthy.
If the PCR test had never been invented life would be going on as normal. We’re witnessing a PCR casedemic.
Lies, lies and more lies. Every one of them a Pinocchio.
Look out for the Long Noses.
Interesting to compare chart 2 with the Worldometer Covid death rate for UK. Back in March/April, there were about 1000 deaths a day, so about 7000 deaths a week due to Covid. Chart 2 shows that the weekly death rate was about 10,000 a week up compared to the seasonal average. So I will be generous and say the increase in death rate seen in Chart 2 are substantially due to Covid. But Covid deaths are now running at around 3,500 a week according to Worldometer, so why is that not showing up as an increase in the weekly death rate up to around 14,000 deaths a week in Chart 2? The reason is that deaths due to other respiratory diseases is down and the apportionment of deaths due to other causes like strokes, heart attacks etc. is not what is usual for this time of year. My point is that Whitty et al. know this, but they choose to assume that these Covid deaths are on top of what the NHS would usually have to deal with – as they were in March/April – whereas now, they are not. The NHS is not under stress due to Covid (if… Read more »
“ Covid deaths are now running at around 3,500 a week”
Of course they’re not – in any meaningful sense.
Another example of misattribution.
That would mean ~1/3rd of all deaths are from SARS-CoV-2. (ONS base data)
… which is total bollocks.
Complete bollocks.
As in I agree with you!
https://www.aier.org/article/the-orwellian-pandemic/
Worth reading; the new speak now in use in polite circles.
Thanks for sharing the article Wendyk.
Be kind. Stay safe. Save lives. Unprecedented times.
makes me puke whenever I hear this bollox.
And me.
“[I]f vaccination works and if we’re confident it’s safe, and all indications so far are good, then I can certainly see the day when businesses say: ‘Look, you’ve got to return to the office and if you’re not vaccinated you’re not coming in,’” Mr Tugendhat told the HuffPost’s Commons People podcast.
…here it comes…the next level of pleb enslavement.
Tugendtwat is clearly only in the CRG as a mole.
FFS ! I didn’t realise TugEnd was in the CRG. Shills, many of them, I bet.
Sadly that probably true. It’s such an obvious redux that I’d be astonished if the party leadership DIDN’T try this.
Covid/Corona Research Group
Covid Recovery Group apparently😉
I sent the link to my MP yesterday so she knows we’re onto her
If they do this, I will resign.
I’m sorry boss, but my vaccination status is medical in confidence.
If you’ve carried out a risk assessment and the the assessemtn has identified a virus as a workplace hazard and you’ve decided that vaccination is the appropriate control to that workplace hazard, then it’s your duty under the various bits of HEALTH and safety legislation to provide the vaccination at your expense.
The battle for Boris’ soul is two bald men fighting over a comb.
A non- existent comb.
A coxcomb.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/coxcomb
Music and Lyrics by Lewis Papier The Scam When you’ve been the victim of THE SCAM You believe you’re lending helping hands Never close, your gaze has turned to stone You march apart, sadly all alone You believe you’re saving many lives Now it’s time to pull out all your knives You claim you’ve been surely heaven sent Ensuring that you will crush all dissent Now it’s time to grab your trusty mask Put it on so you fulfill your tasks Keep your six feet distance to the inch Isolate, no contact, it’s a cinch! You ignore the people that you hurt They’ve lost their jobs now they feel like dirt Never acting like you really should Claiming it’s for the greater good Insisting that you always must be thanked Science never wrong, it’s sacrosanct You decide for all of us what’s best While pinning medals on each other’s chest Everything must go without a hitch As long as you are certified a snitch Turn them in for that must be their fate They’re contagious—please don’t hesitate When you’ve been the victim of the scam You must believe in their holy plan Shout for joy-a mandate by the state All… Read more »
And it’s one two three what are we fighting for? Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn, next stop is Stasiland.
Whilst i
m sure, ultimately, it will mean a Starmer premiership and a second Scots ref, every day i can imagine the smile grow even more on Farages face as he looks at the so called “Blue Wall” and how much damage say, 20% off every northern Tory MP , he will inflict on the moron Johnson.Wtf have we done to deserve Starmer as Premier
We voted for Johnson lol.
May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Wilson …
According to a WH Smith’s member of staff at Charing X station yesterday, you can only touch the newspaper you intend to buy.
When I asked “why” and “can I catch CV from touching a newspaper” and “what’s the medical evidence” she adopted the Eichman defence:”I’m only saying what head office told me to say.”
I helpfully suggested that her head office should supply posters with this information. “Customers don’t read posters” and “there’s no room to put them up.”
“How about here”, I replied, “next to your other Covid posters”
Two other masked security staff listened to this exchange in case I kicked off and she needed help!
Customers don’t read posters?mThen why is every town, every street, every shop, every pub… plastered with them?
From my experience, customers do not read posters. Especially if you have a lot.
And after all these months, people who do read them are by now aware and won’t look to see a new one.
Most posters are to cover your arse.
Is reading a newspaper on a train still a Covid Crime in Wales?
Hopefully-can’t think of anything more likely to infect the entire train.Acts as a catalyst to bypass muzzles.
Leaving it on your seat when you get off the train might be..
My response to any “only obeying orders” functionary is “Warum mussem wir diese Juden erschiessen?”
The inevitable quizzical look, I answer with the English translation “Why must we shoot these Jews?” and tell the functionary over raised eyebrows “oh shut up and obey orders. It’s what head office wants”. If they still don’t get it, I have to tell them that their attitude is what helped kill 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.
Interesting paper ‘Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy’
Suggests SARS-CoV2 may have been circulating as far back as September 2019 in Italy
There are no robust data on the real onset of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and spread in the prepandemic period worldwide. We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD)–specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 to track the date of onset, frequency, and temporal and geographic variations across the Italian regions. SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300891620974755?journalCode=tmja&
Very interesting, there was already information from Spain for Covid in November. If we are back to September now, then it’s starting to lead back to those Whuan hospital pictures from that period and not January.
Saw multiple patients with mild fever and a persistent cough lasting up to 6 weeks.
This was October/November last year.
This was not just my observation but my colleagues including GPs in their own practices.
Coinciding with the arrival of students from China at the end of September beginning of October.
This was in one university city in the midlands. It would be interesting to see if other areas had similar experiences this time last year.
Just to add to this I had exactly that mild fever and cough last October, shortly after attending a weekend get-together at my old university, 50th anniversary of ‘going up’. There were people from all over Europe there, not sure if any from further afield though. I remember the cough very well, lasted a good month and at its worst was very like whooping cough (which i had as a child)
We had fever and persistent cough here last year in early Nov to mid December. 3 out of 7 close family members had fever and cough, the rest of us had few or no symptoms.(small town in warwickshire)
I am considering putting in FOI requests to local acute hospitals for information regarding admissions for respiratory conditions for August to December 2019.
FOI request made to my local acute hospital. I await their response.
Way before that, there were cold viruses generating nasty persistent coughs. Doh!
p02099003 Yes. I worked closely in a poorly ventilated room with a group of Chinese research students for 3 days in October who had just arrived in the UK and also met some of their parents who had come over for tours of the new science facility. (West Midlands).Several were from Wuhan, and 1 was coughing a lot, but had no other symptoms. A week later developed a dry cough in the throat and had a raised temperature. On day 2 felt 102 with severe lethargy but the latter had worn off by the 4th day. Took paracetamol and carried on. Temperature back to normal on day 3, but repetitive dry cough in the throat lasted over a week. Some of the other staff experienced the same health issues and the personal cleaner for one of those individuals went down with the infection shortly afterwards and was pretty poorly for 2 weeks.
2018, Bresica, Lombardy, Northern Italy,
“We would like however to report on the strange pneumonia epidemic that occurred in and around Brescia in Lombardy (Italy) between September and November 2018. As you may know, that is also the first epicenter of the current “Covid” epidemic in Europe. Only this one happened slightly more than a year before. It was extremely peculiar, and was extensively covered by the local press. Here were its main characteristics (references will be found below).
Local hospitals were overwhelmed: over 850 people were admitted in a short time span, among which at least 10 died. Astonishingly, the patients affected were 70% male (does that remind you of anything?). They were furthermore predominantly elderly, or with diseases that involve immunosuppression and/or other risk factors such as smoking. Children were barely affected (still nothing?). The patients that presented the most serious conditions suffered from respiratory distress and had to be put on ventilators.
Furthermore, health authorities at the time said this episode was unlike anything they had ever seen.
https://coronacircus.com/2020/04/23/coronacirus-revisionism-chapter-1-the-strange-case-of-brescia/
There were several journal articles published about a new viral infection that produced coughs, fevers and pneumonia like symptoms back in early December that were noted by doctors throughout China (not just the Wuhan province) and one of the USA states where a large group of people had returned from an event in Wuhan in October who were sick. They tested negative for flu, but retained samples were rechecked early in 2020 for SARS CoV-2 and were positive. There was also an article about some re-testing of swabs taken from people in France who had been admitted to hospital with an unknown flu type virus but which had originally tested negative for flu and the serum samples were positive for SARS-CoV-2 going back to the beginning of November 2019. Several epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists have reported that they believe this coronavirus was quietly circulating within and outside China since late summer 2019 or earlier. Unfortunately this pre-dates the time when I began noting links to sources of key information so I cannot provide them here for others to follow up. However, the New York Times and Washington Post apparently picked up on the information because if memory serves… Read more »
This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified …
Surely this is to try to provide evidence that asymptomatic people are spreaders? Bhakdi said there was only one very feeble piece of supporting evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&t=563s
Long time reader, first time poster. I’m traditionally a left leaning ‘do gooder’ but I’ve lost it completely with the craziness of supposedly intelligent people!
A local pub close to me threatened to open last week after having no response from the government over several concerns they had about the second lockdown (quelle surprise!). In the end they didn’t open.
Interestingly they posted an update for the first time in a week tonight which was a little ambiguous but mentioned something cryptic which I thought was interesting:
“We will keep this short;
our personal views on the situation have not changed, however, following the video on Thursday we were contacted by some very knowledgeable and inspirational people who gave us some invaluable advice. We are in this for the long game not the short and we want to ensure that anything we do from now on can be fully sustained.
There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes not just locally but by very influential people and next week very big things may come to fruition. ”
It was the suggestion that something is happening not just locally that heightened my interest. I wonder what that might be?
If businesses had any sense, they would get together and collectively reopen at the same time. I can’t see how the government could stop them.
Reopen. Prices less VAT. Outlaw business surely can’t be considered to be VAT applicable. Indeed if the annual revenue is so low does VAT apply ?
Welcome to the discussion. I like your name.
Welcome, Noel! Do keep us posted about your pub!
Just checked on Face-ache. Yes, it’s the same pub where I had a wonderful birthday meal a couple of weeks ago. We phoned up to see if they had re-opened, as we wanted to support them again.
Welcome, NGE-love the name! Glad to know that you don’t live too far away from me.
Welcome, what was the video on Thursday?
Hopefully a Revolution with pitchforks!
The battle for Johnson’s R soul.
In Princess NutNuts purse, along with Bojos balls
There is nothing so pitiful as a hen pecked man. Bozo needs to stand in our shoes to gauge the contempt we feel for him.
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1327880863695200256?s=20
Baker said he thinks the vaccine will save us. Be very wary!
Carrie Symonds is 32. How can she possibly have “years of experience” in anything?
Fair enough to chat things over with the other half as we all do but that should be where it stops. They had better not be secret matters that she has no more right to know than any other citizen.
Having said that I’m so glad Dom has gone if he was pushing for strict lockdowns. Maybe we will see things relax a little, although we need them to relax a lot.
Until SAGE is dismantled and/or Hancock goes, things remain the same.
reminds me of the BS kids put on their CVs these days. “Highly experienced rainmaker and change architect. Expertise in imagination engineering. Age 19, living at home. Interests: developing my influencer base”
i never read past the first intro summary…just press delete.
Education education education. Worked well didn’t it?
Almost masterful by Bliar. He was focused on lowering the unemployment figures but pushing as many students to University education. However they had to fiddle the exams to enable their plan to work which resulted in thousands of students with worthless degrees and saddled with debts.
It worked better than that because it gave them 3 years in which to complete the Marxist indoctrination.
Yawn
My secondary comprehensive schooling I received during the 1980s was shockingly bad , a combination of Thatcher and the Marxist teaching unions doing their very best to ruin working class children’s education .
I passed my 11 plus to get into the Grammar school but by the time I got there it had been turned into a second class modern by, as it happens, one Jeremy Corbyn.
For information : the teacher unions were never ‘Marxist’, and a majority of teachers voted conservative at that time.
Thats very true.
Well – it never happened. The actuality was ‘training, training, training’ for compliance.
That did work well.
Very good. The penny just dropped.
I have often wondered whether Carrie is part of a mid-life crisis for Boris. Did a 55 year old man really PLAN to have a new baby to add to his grown-up brood, after such a strenuous year: the battle over Brexit, a leadership contest, followed by a general election? Was an engagement announced to make the whole thing acceptable to elderly, grass roots tories? Is Carrie a high maintenance partner?
I’m just not convinced by this relationship and totally agree with what you say, Steph.
Exactly. That in itself evidences decision-making of the absolute piss poorest variety. You would have to be a loon to have another baby at his age and with his circumstances.
What makes you think he had any say?
He could’ve double bagged.
Exactly, I bet it came as a shock to him too.
I have wondered, rather mischievously, if the ban on weddings isn’t rather a convenience for him. Kicking the can down the road as it were.
I came to the same conclusion.
Mid-life crisis? Nah, it started round about Day 1 and will doubtless continue till he reaches his Final Destination!
We know why she chose him, he’s easily manipulated.
his brains (if he has any) are in his underpants!!
Like Clinton.
She’s independently something of a high flyer in Tory communications, she has got all the MPs phone numbers and they have hers to use as a back channel to bozo.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-fought-save-partners-17859061
This was from last year.
That’s appalling!
That’s how I feel about my fluffy young public-school – no clue about how the plebs lead their lives. No – Conservatives are irrelevant now.
fluffy young public-school MP btw – sorry
I’m 26 but have 8 years experience and a degree in my field, so it is possible to be young and experienced.
28 here with 10 years experience and various qualifications in my field. Once you reach a certain level of competence, the number of years spent doing something compared with somebody else becomes far less relevant. At this point your skill is what counts.
It is possible to have 40 years experience of doing something very badly, I have seen this far too often.
Still strongly dislike Ms Symonds though!
Yes – you’re right – it is certainly possible. I think it depends what job you are doing as to whether the learned knowledge from the academic qualifications, or the experience counts more, or in equal measure. My OH is a senior design engineer. I am pretty sure that he would value your experience equally to your qualification, provided that your work and work ethic were up to the same standard. He started on the drawing boards, before CAD days, way back when he was 16. He worked as an apprentice, and went to college in the evenings to get an HNC – no degree. He now has 35 years experience, and oversees 5 other design engineers. He doesn’t find many people who have the same amount of knowledge that he now has. I think he would far rather take someone on who has proven and good experience, either with or without a degree. He has come across many interviewees and co-workers who deem that their degree alone, means that they are worthy of a high position, or that they already know everything, and they rarely do. For a politician, I would think that life experience is much more important… Read more »
surely Boris discussing matters of state to his other half is contravening the official secrets act. It is unacceptable for a partner to be influencing matters of state!!
Peter Hitchens with a cracker today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8949379/PETER-HITCHENS-panicking-Prime-Minister-bankrupting-Britain.html
Nothing new, but his cogent style summarises the tsunami of Grieg hitting soon. Don’t read it unless you’re prepared to get angry(er).
Oops. I meant grief…
Yes, but his blog does it without all the irritating DM stuff!
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Good point.
That about says it all.
And btw here’s a gif that goes with the #Wobble thread from yesterday:-

Why the downtick? – nothing to do with the pic above. Maybe that wasn’t very clear.
Was in reply to Sarigan re something from yesterday about the #Wibble movement (our opposites, but not our equals) –
CGL
Our adversaries – https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=148413636993386&id=111076047393812
The sheeple flock here apparently. They think we’re the nuts ones
Cranmer
A 2-second reading of the comments on there suggest most can’t understand the difference between lockdown scepticism and covid ‘denial’. #Wibble indeed, that’s probably about the level of their argument.
BeBopRockSteady
I’ve been wibbeled on a close the schools Facebook group. Think I was pointing out that Sweden gave a message of hope and we should be rooting for their approach. I have left now, such people are lost.
Sarigan
Reply with #wobble (of the bottom lip variety)
It’s UNSTOPPABLE!
I have nightmares like this
It’s not easy to see oneself surrounded by millions of those and trying to navigate as far as possible!
The “CUVID” (CU=ASS) wave is too big!
I would make it smaller like this…
That’s excellent. Going to forward that everywhere.
Grieg’s March of the Trolls?
“Surely it is in the Prime Minister’s interest that he hears from a range of people.” Oh, the irony.
What they mean is ” A bunch of gobby wimmin like us.”
(I speak as a woman).
Vaccination anxiety is starting to creep in. I don’t know whether the best approach is to not engage in these discussions at all then call the govt’s bluff. I can’t see them setting up an apartheid two tier state personally but you never know. Alternatively fight it with every sinew.
Since I’m in the last-to-get-the-jab group I’m leaning towards the former. I reckon that by the time it comes round to me there’s a good chance something will have happened to put the skids under the while project.
I’m not quite last, but still playing for time – still anxious though
Same. As a white female in my early 40s with no health problems I’m glad to say that I’ll be at the back of the queue. By the time they get to me I’m hoping the hysteria will have calmed down and / or any problems with the vaccine will have been made apparent.
To msttghg, unfortunately i’m fairly near the top of the pile, but I’ll happily donate my jab to Gates
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54893437
Vaccine rumours debunked – today’s offering from the Beeb
this is going to be the latest mainstream media (and tech giants’) big thrust over the coming months. It covers: Bill Gates and microchip claims, Altered DNA claims, and Side effect claims.
Must be true then!
I am certain that vaccination is a rabbit hole. We have to maintain the focus on lockdown and let the vaccine scepticism grow organically. Focus on ending lockdown and let the vaccination issue look after itself. Personally I think we should be concentrating all our efforts on the weakness of the tests. Please can Toby or Will post a link able article by Dr Clare!!!
The better Feynman quote is when it comes to science (and life):
““The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”
But my favourite is Thomas Huxley:
“The great tragedy of science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact”
Facts don’t just come as data. They come as logic.