Danish Mask Study: Masks Do Not Protect From Coronavirus
The suppressed Danish mask study – the largest randomised controlled trial to date that had been rejected by three top journals, apparently on political grounds (read the interview with the authors here) – was finally published yesterday.
The headline result is that in the study masks do little or nothing to lower the infection rate. It found a 2.1% vs 1.8% infection rate for unmasked vs masked groups (with around 3,000 participants in each group initially). However, due to low virus prevalence these figures correspond to only 53 and 42 participants respectively so the authors had to state that the result is not statistically significant (too few infections to be confident it’s not random).
The most striking finding is that when you look at participants who report wearing face masks “exactly as instructed” as opposed to just “predominantly as instructed” the proportion infected rises from 1.8% to 2.0% (22 participants). This is the wrong way round – if masks are helping, using them better should reduce infections – and 2.0% is almost identical to the 2.1% infected without masks. This suggests the lower figure for all mask wearers was probably just noise.
A few more observations:
- Reported symptoms did not differ between those who wore masks and those who didn’t, giving no support to the masker theory that masks make the disease milder (or provide immunity) by reducing viral load.
- For other respiratory viruses the study found 0.5% vs 0.6% infection rate (9 vs 11 participants) for masks vs non-masks, so again almost the same, supporting the primary finding.
- Although 91 participants reported someone else in their household contracting COVID-19 during the study (52 masked and 39 non-masked), only three reported then catching it themselves – two with masks and one without. Strange, because the home is usually found to be a primary source of transmission.
- The study looks at protecting the wearer not others (i.e., source control, the usual justification for masks). It couldn’t look at source control as the study took place in April and May before masks were mandated or in widespread use.
With insufficient infections to achieve statistical significance, despite involving over 6,000 participants, the study leaves a need for further studies that are large enough and in areas of high enough prevalence to achieve statistical significance.
We can’t draw firm conclusions about precise differences in infection rates from this study. However, we can say that wearing a surgical mask even “exactly as instructed” does not appear to prevent infection completely – does not appear to prevent it much at all. And if that’s the case for surgical masks, how much more for cloth masks?
Also worth noting that mask mandates have not prevented the autumn surges in many countries around the world, and that maskless Sweden’s autumn rise in infections came somewhat later than elsewhere. None of this is supportive of masks.
The lead author of the study, Dr Henning Bundgaard, a cardiologist at the University of Copenhagen, tersely said: “Our study gives an indication of how much you gain from wearing a mask: Not a lot.”
Reading between the lines it seems the authors had to tone down their scepticism to get it past the editors and reviewers. They are at pains to stress that “this trial did not address the effects of masks as source control or as protection in settings where social distancing and other public health measures are not in effect.” The strongest they are allowed to get in their discussion is: “While we await additional data to inform mask recommendations, communities must balance the seriousness of COVID-19, uncertainty about the degree of source control and protective effect, and the absence of data suggesting serious adverse effects of masks.”
Absence of (scientific) evidence is not, of course, evidence of absence, and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of the harm wearing masks does, as Professor Sucharit Bhakdi explains here regarding the impact of reducing oxygen supply on people with high blood pressure. One Lockdown Sceptics reader got in touch yesterday with a powerful personal illustration of this.
I thought you might be interested in this account of my trip to A&E the other night, after a suspected heart attack – false alarm, thanks for asking, I’m fine…
On arrival in A&E I was handed a face mask to put on – which I did, feeling a sort of civic duty as it was a set of special circumstances – and my underlying medical condition was at least in the right place to be resolved if I had any problems (I have had a heart attack previously, so have to ensure I do not suffer from cardiac ischaemia). Up to this point, when I had had my readings taken, both by the paramedics immediately after the incident at home, in the ambulance, and on my arrival in the hospital, my blood oxygen levels had been fine (97 – in case you are unaware, the normal range is 95 to 100 and hypoxia begins at 90).
After half an hour or so, I was moved into a side room – at which point, I took the mask off of one ear, as I was having trouble breathing properly through it, only putting it back on when a member of staff came in to check on me.
After I had been there for an hour, a nurse came to take my readings again and I had put the mask back on whilst she set things up and, after a couple of minutes of wearing the mask, my readings were taken and my blood oxygen had dropped to 93 – a drop of four points (there are only five between normal and hypoxia).
The first reaction of the nurse was to say that they were concerned because of the drop in oxygen, but that “it was probably just because of the mask”. I took it off one ear again so I could breathe normally and literally with each breath the reading went up by one, so after four breaths, I was back to where I had been without the mask.
From that point on, I left the mask off and, each time my hourly readings were taken, it remained at 97, so clearly the drop in oxygen levels was down to the mask. During this time – and I was there for six hours – not a single member of staff told me to put the mask back on and indeed I saw several staff sitting behind desks or in corridors with their masks removed.
There is a certain irony that before being taken to A&E, I had self-medicated with a spray to open my blood vessels to increase blood flow to the heart, but on admission to hospital I was given a piece of what can only be described as window dressing (or perhaps set dressing would be a more apt analogy) which actually counteracted the medication I had taken to ensure I did not suffer from ischaemia.
What I’d like to know is why extreme interventions with serious collateral harm like coercive mask-wearing and other restrictions on liberty don’t have to meet the same rigorous safety and efficacy criteria as vaccines and drugs. So-called “public health” needs a serious overhaul.
Stop Press: The Swiss Doctor has written about the Danish mask study, as well as other mask studies, here.
“We Can Now Bring About the Economic and Financial Union that We Have So Far Failed to Achieve by Political Means”
Sebastian Friebel, a former parliamentary adviser to the German Bundestag, has written a magisterial account of the supranational undemocratic forces using the public health crisis as a pivot for far-reaching change and the often sinister secrecy being used to achieve it. More of the convergent opportunism we have been highlighting on Lockdown Sceptics. Here’s the opening to whet your appetite.
Dear fellow citizens, I am addressing you as a non-partisan former employee of the German Bundestag with the function of a parliamentary adviser. As a result of my work in parliament and in a parliamentary group, I have become aware that the people in our country are being deliberately deprived of information on the corona crisis which is of crucial importance for assessing the situation. In view of the enormous significance of recent events, I consider it my duty to my fellow citizens to raise these issues publicly. So as to be able to express myself as freely as possible on these issues, I have resigned from my position in the Bundestag.
I suppose many will lay this text aside after just a few lines because they feel sufficiently informed about all aspects of the crisis. I understand this, because I too used to assumed that, when major events occur, we citizens would always be apprised of the background facts. But in the meantime, not least because of my experiences in parliament, I have been obliged to recognise the methods used worldwide by governments, the media and major players in the global economy to the detriment of us all, and to see that often the population is regrettably too uncritical in its response. I hope that despite this widespread lack of concern about political developments, some of you will at least check out the information provided here.
Some of what I report in the following will be considered by many readers as impossible and will be firmly rejected. I would like to say to these people that in publishing this report I am taking on considerable personal risk, and I would not dare to take this step if I were unsure of my statements. I do not want to say much about myself at this point. You, dear reader, only need to know the following about me: I am writing this report in sincere concern for the security, freedom and prosperity of us all. These fundamental pillars of our democracy are acutely endangered because the Corona crisis is being instrumentalised, and our legitimate concerns about the virus being exploited for third-party objectives.
Previously available only in German, now translated exclusively for Lockdown Sceptics. Find it on the right hand menu here. Well worth reading in full over a cup of coffee.
GP Consultations For Respiratory Infections Declining Before Lockdown II
The CEBM team have updated their graph on GP consultations for respiratory infections in England and Wales. It shows consultations peaking in the week of October 19th-26th, well before lockdown began.
The RCGP surveillance data reports trends for Influenza-Like Illness (ILI), upper respiratory tract infections (URTIs) and lower respiratory tract infections (LRTI), along with weekly data on COVID-19 case investigations. The data comes from over four million patients in a network of general practices across England and Wales.
The figure shows that rates of confirmed COVID-19, URTIs and LRTIs rose in September. Rates of consultations for respiratory tract infections, however, are significantly lower than they were a year ago.
In the week commencing the November 11th 2019, LRTI’s consults were 9.4 per 10,000 and URTI rates were 19.3 per 10,000 about four-fold higher than current consultation rates.
Last year, rates of URTI consultations peaked in the week of December 16th at 30 per 100,000 population and with LRTI rates of 14.7 per 10,000.
The current data suggest that COVID-19 consultations peaked in the week commencing October 19th in primary care and are currently waning (there can be a delay in data though coming through that might change some of the estimates, particularly in the last two weeks).
Remind me again why the Government is proposing to tighten restrictions after December 2nd when clearly whatever we were doing in October was ample, and probably more than enough?
Why is Lockdown Always the Answer?
In light of the maddening news yesterday of the perma-lockdown that awaits us after December 2nd, Ross Clark in the Telegraph bemoans the Catch-22 we now live in where every piece of evidence is taken as justification for tightening the screws.
The Government’s fetish for incarcerating its own citizens is growing stronger by the day. Britain has become a giant Guantanamo Bay of Covid control, maintained by invisible fences of call centres and fines. Worse, the creeping nature of it has meant that we never get any proper debate as to what price we really want to pay to suppress the virus.
We are fed daily with graphs and charts showing the numbers of new infections, hospitalisations and deaths. But we never get the other side of the ledger (not from the Government or its scientists anyway): the impact on our mental health, on other medical conditions and deaths caused by seriously ill people failing to seek timely medical attention, or the price we are going to pay through deprivation caused by economic decline.
We get dribs and drabs – such as the figures put out by the ONS this morning, revealing a huge rise in people admitting to feeling lonely – but they never make it to Downing Street briefings, and still less do ministers allow them to be used in a public debate as to what lockdown is actually achieving. All public policy has been reduced to this one, narrow aim of reducing Covid numbers.
But whatever happens, it seems to mean more lockdown. Like the poor wretches dragged off to medieval ducking stools – who were judged innocent if they drowned, found guilty of witchcraft and burned alive if they survived the ducking – we can’t win. If Covid numbers fall it is taken as a sign that lockdown is working, and must therefore be prolonged. If Covid numbers rise, it is taken as a sign we must have even tougher lockdown. Never mind that Covid numbers were already levelling off before the second lockdown was called, very sharply so in Tier 3 areas such as Liverpool and Nottingham.
Worth reading in full.
Postcard From Zanzibar
Lockdown Sceptics reader Matthew Sample has discovered one of Africa’s havens from the Covid insanity. Sounds amazing.
Following a pleasant ‘Covid-lite’ holiday in Sweden in September I set about investigating other countries which do not impose serious Covid restrictions. My eyes alighted on a Daily Telegraph article written by a lady who had recently spent an idyllic holiday in Zanzibar, free of such rules and restrictions. I booked a flight.
I have now been in Zanzibar for over two weeks. Bliss. Lovely warm sunny weather (with the occasional heavy shower), incredibly beautiful beaches with crystal clear turquoise sea, some excellent bars, cafés and restaurants, comfortable accommodation, cheerful welcoming locals and plenty of sights and activities to interest a holiday-maker. All relatively inexpensive. But most significantly, NO Covid rules or restrictions.
On arrival in Zanzibar via Nairobi (where staff and some passengers sported masks and PPE as if in a biological war zone) we were welcomed at Zanzibar airport where no staff, or locals, were wearing face-masks and no requirement for an expensive ‘Covid negative’ certificate (someone is making a mint from these ‘Profits of Doom’!). After a visa and passport check with a welcoming smile we were wished a happy stay.
Now I have no idea how much ‘Covid’ is prevalent in Zanzibar or Tanzania in general, all I do know is that nobody is in the least bit fussed about it. There are no gloomy statistics or graphs published daily (or at all) to alarm and terrify people. After all, this part of Africa is subject to many more serious endemic illnesses and diseases and nobody has ever wet themselves over these, not even tourists. Malaria? Prophylactic anti-malaria pills always come with the proviso that they are not 100% effective. All I do know is that both locals and tourists (yes, there are quite a few, although not as many as they would like) are happily free of any sense of the fear or paranoia over Covid that so afflicts the West. No silly face-masks anywhere and no anti-social distancing. People even shake each other’s hands without a second thought. Heaven forbid in UK! Life is absolutely normal and, as far as I have observed, people are not keeling over in droves due to Covid. It is an enlightening and pleasant experience which is favourably remarked upon by tourists in the places I have visited.
From my point of view, I would much rather live like this, even with the risk of getting a ‘bug’, than exist with my freedom and social life grossly curtailed under draconian, and probably ineffective, anti-social ‘lockdown’ restrictions cowed behind a de-humanising, fear inducing and probably useless face-mask. How have so many people in UK become so risk-averse that they will tolerate (indeed often encourage) any ‘rules’, however illogical and restrictive, to make them feel ‘safe’? Nothing in life is totally safe and our freedom to take risks should be sacrosanct.
I was due to return after two weeks. I have cancelled my return ticket.
Read Matthew’s blog, with more from his lockdown-free travels, here.
Postcard From China
A reader writes to tell us of life back to normal in China.
I’ve just had a fascinating video chat with a friend in China. I had a virtual tour of her, largely student, locality – shops, food-halls etc. It was a busy and bustling place with no social distancing and hardly anyone wearing masks. Life is entirely back to normal. The Government line is that the only ‘cases’ of the virus are coming from people who travel in from abroad – hence why they have mandatory quarantine hotels where inbound travellers are taken, by Government officials, for two weeks upon arrival (at your own expense). I find it somewhat difficult to believe that a country with such large and dense population centres has managed to eradicate a virus not dissimilar in terms of ease of transition to the common cold. So one is forced to ask – where are the overflowing hospitals and morgues? If there were overflowing hospitals and morgues which the government propaganda machine were hiding, the people would still know and you would see changed behaviour rather than people carrying on as normal. How ironic that the place where SARS-CoV-2 originated has simply moved on from the issue while much of the rest of the world flounders.
The floated reasons that China (and other East Asian countries like Taiwan) have not been so badly affected by Covid range from conspiracy theories and exaggerated claims of the efficacy of their responses to the much more likely proposals of greater pre-existing immunity and the simple realisation that a country can cope without extreme measures.
The Great Escape – to a Welsh Pub!
A Lockdown Sceptics reader has sent us a delightful account of how he achieved a fleeting moment of freedom over the border.
It was a trivial bid for freedom, but important to me.
I live in England where pubs and restaurants are currently closed, without public consultation or consent. I find this fundamentally offensive. I believe it should be up to individual citizens to choose what risks to accept, but apparently we can’t be trusted, so I am not allowed to have a traditional pint in the presence of other consenting adults, under a Conservative government with a large majority.
I live an hour or so from the Welsh border. After a fanatical two week ‘firebreak’, Wales now has less restrictions than England. So I took a train from England to Wales, with the one intent of having a pint in a pub, as a free man.
This was a predictably surreal experience. All the trains are running as normal, despite having few if any passengers. They are plastered with labels, as are the platforms: SIT HERE, DON’T SIT HERE, DON’T SIT HERE, though this is not the case with the seats on the train, where you can sit as close to another passenger as you and they choose. Clearly the virus is more potent on the platform.
I didn’t know what to expect. I had a ‘reasonable excuse’ prepared were I to be challenged, but the guard stayed in his office and there was no-one else around in any case. In my imagination I had anticipated feeling like an escaped prisoner of war on the run. In reality I had an entire train to myself.
The people in the Welsh town I visited are obviously depressed and fearful, as much about what the next random Government decision may be as about the virus. The talk in Costa Coffee was subdued, but this was nothing compared to the pub, in which the staff (of one) was as well protected as he would be in an infectious disease unit. All that was missing was the airlock.
I was asked for my name and number, and then my postcode: “We’re not allowed to serve people from over the border.” This called for quick thinking. “Well,” I said, “I don’t have a Welsh postcode or an English one. But I do have a New Zealand postcode, would you like that?” Happily, this response seemed to transcend the known rules and I was able to take a table in the otherwise empty pub.
My lunchtime pint was delivered and, though the environment was cold, miserable, and uninviting, I savoured my drink.
I don’t think having an illicit pint is particularly noble, and I can understand that some people may think me irresponsible for breaking the rules, even though the rules were quite different a few days ago. But for me it was an expression of my rights, and I am prepared to defend my actions in front of anyone and any court.
My need to be free is more deep-seated than the apparent haven of conformity. I think that sooner or later this will be so for more and more people. If we are prevented from making choices then there is no reason for us to exist. Repressing personal judgement is an existential insult. I believe we must resist in whatever ways we can.
“You’re Being Led Down the Garden Path by the Chief Medical Officer of Hell”
The following is a transcript of the talk delivered by Dr Roger Hodkinson to a private meeting of Alberta government officials that we linked to yesterday, kindly provided by a number of Lockdown Sceptics readers – thank you!
Thank you very much and I do appreciate the opportunity to address you on this very important matter. And what I’m going to say is lay language and blunt. It’s counter-narrative and so you don’t immediately think I’m a quack, I’m going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I’m coming from in terms of knowledge base in all of this.
I’m a medical specialist in pathology which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge University in the UK. I’m the ex-president of the pathology section of the medical association. I was previously an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine doing a lot of teaching. I was the chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa. But more to the point I’m currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling a COVID-19 test and you might say I know a little bit about all this.
The bottom line is simply this: there is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. It’s outrageous. This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus other than protecting older, more vulnerable people. It should be thought of nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not Ebola, it’s not SARS. It’s politics playing medicine and that’s a very dangerous game.
There is no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year when we felt unwell. We stayed home, we took chicken noodle soup, we didn’t visit granny. And we decided when we would return to work, we didn’t need anyone to tell us.
Masks are utterly useless, there is no evidence based for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling, they’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people and, not saying that in a pejorative sense, seeing these people walking around like lemmings, obeying without any knowledge base, to put the mask on their face.
Social distancing is also useless because Covid is spread by aerosols which travel 30 metres or so before landing. Enclosures have had such terrible unintended consequences. They should everywhere be open tomorrow as was stated in the Great Barrington Declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.
And a word on testing. I do want to emphasise that I’m in the business of testing for Covid. I do want to emphasise that positive test results do not – underlined in neon – mean a clinical infection. It’s simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop unless you’re presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem.
All that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all in the nursing homes that are under your control, give them all three to five thousand international units of Vitamin D every day, which has been shown to radically reduce the likelihood of infection.
And I would remind you all that using the province’s own statistics the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in 300,000, one in three hundred thousand, you’ve got to get a grip on this. The scale of the response that you’re undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous.
Given the consequences of acting in a way that you’re proposing, all kinds of suicides, business closures, funerals, weddings, etc. etc., it’s simply outrageous. It’s just another bad flu and you’ve got to get your minds around that. Let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine. You’re being led down the garden path by the chief medical officer of hell for this province. I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow. Thank you very much.
Round-Up
- “A ban on exercise, crazy fines and only 22 Covid cases – welcome to Australia’s latest lockdown” – The extraordinary tyranny of Zero Covid strikes again, from the Telegraph. And this is summer in Oz
- “Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint” – The rest of the world gradually catching up with T-cell immunity, in the New York Times
- “UK Met Police call on citizens to snitch on lockdown breachers using online reporting tool” – Another step towards the totalitarian state, from Reclaim the Net
- “Dispatches uncovers serious failings at one of UK’s largest COVID-Testing Labs” – The Channel 4 exposé is now available to view
- “How Finland and Norway Proved Sweden’s Approach to COVID-19 Works” – Jon Miltimore on the Foundation for Economic Education blog on the countries that wisely learned from Sweden
- “Number of Covid patients in hospital is still rising but ICU admissions are FALLING” – The Sun keeps up with the strange Covid stats
- “Christine Lagarde Says Covid Vaccine ‘No Game Changer’ for ECB Stimulus Plans” – Even a vaccine isn’t expected to end the crisis now it seems, from Bloomberg
- “Inside the longest lockdown in the world” – Luke Taylor in UnHerd on the devastating, ineffective lockdowns in South America. Good time to recap our excellent “Postcard from Argentina” here
- “German police turn water cannon on coronavirus protesters in Berlin” – More heavy-handed tactics reported in the Telegraph
- “Britons vaccinated against Covid ‘may get QR codes on their mobile phones to allow them into football matches’” – Further hints about the not-so-voluntary vaccine in the Mail
- “Christmas should not be cancelled” – Watch Sir Desmond Swayne MP on talkRADIO yesterday
- “Suicide claimed more Japanese lives in October than 10 months of COVID” – Shocking story from CBS that October’s 2,153 suicides outnumber the less than 2,000 total Covid deaths in the country, 600 up on last October and including many more women
- “Metropolitan Police counter-terror chief Neil Basu calls for action on coronavirus anti-vaxxers” – More policing of speech for “public health” reasons in the Evening Standard
- “We need to protect the free speech of dissident doctors” – The Covid Physician in the Critic on the importance of letting medical professionals speak freely into public health debates
- “New York City will close schools for in-person learning to curb Covid outbreak, Mayor de Blasio says” – The return of school closures, in CNBC
- “The case for mandatory vaccination” – Interesting pre-Covid article by Liam Drew in Nature published last November which shows that Matt Hancock had already at that point announced that the government had taken legal advice on how it might make vaccinations compulsory
- “Keep windows open this winter to stop Covid spread, government says” – A plan with no drawbacks, from the Times
- “One day of Christmas freedom will mean five days of tighter Covid restrictions, health chiefs warn” – If only infections had been falling before lockdown. Oh wait… From the Telegraph
- “Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests As Unreliable and Unlawful To Quarantine People” – The first English language report of this landmark decision in the Portuguese Court of Appeal, apart from the one in Lockdown Sceptics three days ago
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Two today: “Zoom” by Fat Larry’s Band and “Wake Up Everybody” by Teddy Pendergrass, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we’re bringing you some interesting historical data about the origins of “taking the knee”, the supplicant gesture favoured by British police officers when faced with Black Lives Matter protestors.
At one stage, it was widely believed to have originated on Game of Thrones, in which various conquered leaders had to “take the knee” before their conqueror to show fealty to their new master. Not so fast, said the professors of woke-logy (or should that be woke professors?). It was not an act of genuflection, but a way of protesting about the unfair treatment of black people, particularly in America, as devised by the NFL player Colin Kaepernick in 2016.
But an enterprising Lockdown Sceptics reader has found an instance of “taking the knee” that predates both of these – a photograph of a group of white businessmen professing their loyalty to the Ugandan leader Idi Amin. Their willingness to “take the knee” before the tyrant was not surprising, given that he boasted of keeping the decapitated heads of his enemies in his freezer.
History doesn’t record when this photograph was taken, but it accompanies this article by Tatenda Gwaambuka in the African Exponent that’s well worth a read. He reckons Amin was responsible for the deaths of anything between 100,000 to half a million people.
Next time someone tells you that “taking the knee” is a sign of just how compassionate and progressive they are, you might point them towards this picture. Unless they’re your boss, in which case you probably shouldn’t.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Stop Press: Good riposte from Laura Perrins on Conservative Woman to the topsy-turvy idea that it is the uncovered human face that is scary.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 650,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern and over 100 church leaders are JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.
Sir Winston Churchill
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.
Richard Feynman
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.
Albert Camus
We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
Carl Sagan
Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
Marcus Aurelius
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Extract from The Independent report on police water cannons in Berlin yesterday.
“Anti lockdown protests have galvanised those with a mixture of political and ideological allegiances opposed to the infringement of individual liberties that many governments have turned to in a bed* (sic) to slow the spread of the virus.”
* bld ?
Bid.
Indeed, I was too busy to edit in time.
My point was to compare the Indy coverage with that of the Telegraph (roundup) which labelled them all as Far Right.
The Indy also reported thousands attending ” in scenes replicated throughout the Continent and around the world”
No worries, I wasn’t trying to be a smart arse. Interesting contrast and shows how awful the Telegraph is now.
I didn’t think you were but should have quoted from the Telegraph in my opening post to emphasise the different approach.
I think it important that Lockdown Sceptics span the usual political divide.
Definitely. I’m very much to the right on most issues but I welcome all lovers of freedom here with open arms whether left or right.
The DT article was absolutely awful – more suited to the Graun!
The Guardian labelled them ‘far right’ FFS!
As did the Telegraph, see my response to Liam above.
The grauniad will label anybody to the right of Corbyn far right
An improvement from being labelled a conspiracy nut
Ooooh
Tweet from governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota – an impressive politician –
Unfortunately, the spread of #COVID19 is rising in nearly every state, regardless of if they have mask mandates in place. Here in South Dakota, we’re focusing on solutions that DO good, not on responses that FEEL good.
https://twitter.com/govkristinoem/status/1329216568778080256
Unfortunately the bozos that run our country only care about what looks good to their supporters and what sounds good to their media cheerleaders – not what is actually effective – evidence, what evidence
Unfortunately you’re right. It’s part of that abomination that they have “to be seen to be doing something” even if its bonkers, doesn’t work and worse of all have shown to be far worse than the initial problem.
They never learn and we’re paying the price.
I don’t know. The regime seems pretty committed to ‘masks for all.’ There is more behind that than the desire to be seen to be doing something.
I’ve long had the suspicion that the mandatory masks was one way to inflate the figures as people succumb to chest infections, colds, bacterial pneumonia while wearing them.
Masks enhance the atmosphere of crisis and danger.Fear has been used to control the population all along the way.Their diseased rag has become a comfort blanket for many who wear one unthinkingly.
That’s a more realistic explanation than a plot to spread infection.
How so ? Both sound pretty likely to me.
yup it’s a win win for the psychopaths. Lose lose for the sheeple.
Both are plausible agree.
I agree. Mask mandates are part of a psyop.
Exactly. They have to keep us down and terrified in case we realise how we’ve been conned and controlled by lies, misinformation and the overwhelming desire of SAGE, the PM and Hancock to exert totalitarian control over the tiniest details of our lives. Even Middle Age serfs weren’t so micromanaged. But do what I’m doing -email all the brave MPs who opposed the lockdown encouraging them and telling them how you feel. Then email Johnson and Hancock and write to Whitless and Valium telling them how they have fxxxcked the entire country with their lies. Hassle them. If thousands of us did it, maybe they might listen with their cloth ears.
Nor forgetting of course that especially whilst damp they are great germ catchers!
Masks are a symbol of fear and submission. That’s why they’re being imposed upon us.
Actually masks are a method of minimising particulate spreadc from coughing and sneezing, which they do. Only a moron would try and argue they don’t. How about I spit in your face with and without a mask on – which do you think will be less unpleasant?
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Just had some interesting exchanges on FB with mostly Americans re face coverings. SO asked me if I would let a surgeon operate on me with out a FC, I said yes, so they replied would I accept not sterilised instruments from the previous operation. Totally different situation, like comparing aerosols dispersed through breath to spitting.
That’s strange….I thought handkerchiefs were the thing to use for coughing and sneezing. The germs were then binned not breathed in. Or maybe ‘the science’ on hankies has changed…
only a complete moron would cough or sneeze in someone’s face. Coughing and sneezing otherwise really is not that big an issue but if you cough or sneeze whilst wearing a mask and are infected with a low viral load then well done, you have just made your infection much worse
You sound like the sort of
persontroll who goes around spitting.Do you always spit in people’s faces when you are not wearing your muzzle?
Surely if you are coughing and sneezing you should be isolating, not out and about with only a mask to “protect” others.
Last person who spat at me got a punch in the face.Its not acceptable behaviour nor is sneezing over somebody.What a ridiculous straw man argument.
Suspicion bordering on certainty.
It makes people think that they are ‘safe’, thereby encouraging them to go to work and out to spend money. In fact, it is an illusory ‘safety’ which is actually spreading the virus and establishing herd immunity.
I hope so. Anything that spreads it at this point must be a good thing. But I don’t think that’s done deliberately by ”our dear leaders” – it’s just a happy accident, since the point of muzzles is the display of subservience.
You don’t need a mask to spend money online which is where most people are having to shop because so many businesses are closed. People are currently advised to work from home again. MW
The question is whether it is deliberate, I very much doubt if it is.
Rather like yourself it seems, I don’t buy the need “to be seen to be doing something” line, which is simply a way of making excuses for corrupt governments the world over. Those that don’t believe that something extremely sinister is afoot, probably still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Father Christmas and the basic goodness of western governments. When the f**k are these people going to come to their senses, far too late after vaccination.
They’re not in the game ”to learn”. The agenda is being followed – facts must fit the agenda. ”Learning” anything that might be of benefit to the people is simply unimportant.
I hope Noem ends up on the national scene as a presidential or VP candidate. She has absolutely nailed this “crisis.”
I was pretty impressed by her, Kristi Noem talks a good game
Noem 2024
Make Americans (and the Row) Free (and sane) Again!
The most liked replies to that tweet make for depressing reading.
Does it help to recall that the Twitter audience is self-selecting and Twitter mobs are a thing?
Plus they are infiltrated by 77th Brigade bots and their equivalents in other countries. MW
A good place to post the truth and the SS (77th) brigade poorly-aimed blunt darts can be shown to be pathetic.
Stop calling Youtube Youtube. It’s Googletube. They own it, they run it and they censure anything that they don’t like. Unlike the original Youtube.
We’re at the beginning of flu season. Or LongCovid, depending on which side of the fence you are. Is it covid19 or is it a strain of flu? How precise are their analyzes?
More phony news?
But have you read the comments?!
Re Toby’s A&E witness report on the wearing of masks.
“On arrival at hospital my blood levels were checked, mine were 97, the usual range is 95-100, hypoxia begins at 90”.
That chimes well with a post I made three weeks ago about my neighbour ‘Terry’ who attends a renal clinic for diabetes.
He also has COPD and at that clinic after his blood oxygen had been maximized to 90 (not good, see end of quote above) he was told to put on a mask for ten minutes.
After that his reading was 85.
Terry wears a mask exempt lanyard.
If and when my workplace reopens this December, it will be interesting to see how my colleagues will get on given they will have to mask up for 7-8 hours.
Even before this I was already noticing that some of them were developing acne and dodgy looking rashes. I won’t be surprised if we’re going to get people phoning off sick for bacterial pneumonia, dermatitis, impetigo, etc. And me being asked about claiming exemption and where I got my lanyard.
I say to people: “see that rash on your face? Look at all those spots. That’s bacteria collecting and not being released. See what’s happening in your face. Now imagine what is happening in your lungs! And in your children’s lungs!” Masks are a HEALTH RISK!
Soon we will see hundreds and thousands of people walking the streets of our cities with faces uglier than The Picture of Dorian Gray.
Acne’s not funny.
Made my life hell well into my 30s…first the face, then the back – stuff of nightmares!!
I was told over yesterday’s Zoom call that my workplace won’t be reopening until March at the earliest…
Whatever happened to logic?
The COPD clinician was demonstrating the danger of masks without actually saying so.
It is absolutely criminal that the negative side effects of masks have not been taken into account before mandating them.
The research that existed was ignored and, even worse, many willful helpers from the medical profession could be found that went on to pervert it’s findings.
That alone makes it a medical experiment in breach of the Nuremberg code.
And the worst crime is the mask mandate for children and in schools.
That is child abuse, nothing else.
And the worst criminals, in order, are those that mandated the policy, the medics and scientists arguing for it and not opposing it, the headmasters and teachers demanding and enforcing it, the children that embraced it and bully others, and the parents not resisting and fighting against it.
History, and hopefully one day also the courts, won’t judge them lightly.
Couldn’t agree more. Hugely important…and a crime
Both my parents have heart problems & have been told by their GP & practice nurses not to wear masks under any circumstances, due to the almost instant breathlessness having a mask on causes them.
Have recently been to the local A&E & out of hours with my Dad for other reasons and his exemption has been accepted without question.
I guess it depends on where in the country you are & how ‘relaxed’ or how sensible the doctors and nurses are towards the virus.
I nearly lost my shit with my mum’s cardiologist today. We live in Spain my mum is Spanish. She has a heart and kidney problem. She’s been complaining about the mask she feels breathless and anxious and her glasses fog up, she had a bad fall in the street last year and is nervous about not seeing properly with the mask. I said I would raise it with the doctor. Now previously I cannot fault the Spanish healthcare they’ve been brilliant with my mum who is 85 and very active even with her conditions. She was very sick last year and they brought her back to life. I normally get on very well with her cardiologist but I raised the issue of the mask and whether we could get an assessment done on her as to whether wearing a mask is safe for her. He was wearing two masks. Now I understand the nervousness of healthcare workers in relation to the virus especially considering all the fear that has been pumped out – they are no less prone to it than the general public. He immediately told me that hospitalisations were rising and that it was often those not wearing… Read more »
It’s interesting that this site has published the piece by Sebastian Friebel. Surely it puts to rest any notion that both the UK’s governments and those across the Western world have all participated in the destruction of the economy and the terrorisation of the population due to “bumbling incompetence”, or the undue influence of Dominic Cummings on the Cabinet.
Having had time to read the entire article every single point he so succinctly makes has been put here on LS, sometimes repeatedly.
Until now I have been wary of anti-5G protests thinking they were “5G will fry my brain” nutters but having become aware of the CCP Social Credit abomination some weeks ago it is clear that this technology is being rolled out to implement it across the western world with the collusion of almost all our politicians, media, business and academic elites and not in our interests.
I’m referring almost entirely to Toby’s avoidance of being read as a “conspiracy theorist”, and playing off what is clearly a conspiracy on a global scale as localised incompetence. I agree that virtually everything in Friebel’s piece has been expounded and discussed in the comments section frequently.
Conspiracy theorising is unhelpful to our cause because it encourages our enemies to dismiss us as ‘deniers’ and nutters.
It can hardly be classed as theorising if the evidence that it’s actually happening is in plain sight.
A vaccine QR code required to access football, stadiums, etc, would have been classed as a conspiracy theory. Except it isn’t a theory.
Our enemies already dismiss us as deniers and nutters; do you have any evidence that we are being taken seriously right now? The cloaking ourselves in the “it’s just a massive cock-up/bumbling incompetence” ideology hasn’t, and doesn’t, give our lockdown scepticism any credence either, and ignores the bigger, longterm implications for our freedoms.
I definitely believe there are more convergent interests at play than we can shake a stick at and I think it is patently obvious that green and technocratic agendas (and even those of the WEF) are being driven forward at alarming rates under cover of covid.
For me it is a question of what the terms of engagement can be as we fight back. There is a very slim chance that sticking with debunking the useless and devastating measures that blight our lives could shift things eventually. I see no possibility at all that Bozo or any othe world leader is going to throw their hands up, shout “you got me!” and admit that they are puppets of Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab intent on relieving us of all personal property, followed by a contrite apology and an immediate resumption of life as we once knew it. So even if that were true (which is not my belief) what is the benefit of detracting attention from the immutable truth – that the imposed cure is far worse than the claimed disease and the data justifying it is a morass of junk and lies?
Not my belief either. I’m finding it difficult to understand the alleged strategy. The largest corporations depend on consumerism. Enslaving or depowering people through enforced lockdown or wage decrease makes no sense. It is also in direct opposition to what Schwab says in “Covid 19: The Great Reset.” There, he predicts INCREASES in wages and an end to the “gig economy.” Not adding up…
I suspect somebody is pulling our collective leg.
You don’t have to understand the strategy to realise it’s happening.
The destruction of wages is going to happen anyway.The power of AI has reached a level where instead of destroying manufacturing jobs it will replace many well paid white collar workers.These big corporations are also taking market share from SME who are being forced out of business through lockdowns.Add to the fact they banks and financial institutions can buy the distressed assets very cheaply.
If you think of this as a controlled detonation of the economy then it makes sense.The elites for want of a better word,keep control over something that was due to happen anyway and increase their power into the bargain.
The Jews didn’t understand why the Nazis would kill their workforce but it happened.
The proximate cause of the Holocaust was that continental Europe couldn’t feed itself (in peace time it depended on imports from the Americas, for animal feed at least if not for direct human consumption).
It was also why the Nazis worked millions of non-Jewish Europeans to death on starvation rations: to exploit the scarce calories trapped within their bodies.
I disagree.No one starved to death in Europe unless it was a deliberate act.The root cause of World War 2 was German ambitions in Russia which predates the Nazi regime.The aim was to create a World Power that would be strong enough to resist America.The Holocaust was a side issue brought about by Hitlers promise that if the Jews brought about another world war then they would be wiped from the face of the earth.Another reason was the Germans viewed them as less than human.The Slavs came under this too but their future was to be a slave caste in the east.Thats why millions of Russian prisoners of war were starved to death in camps in a deliberate act
The Germans suffered malnourishment during World War I as a result of the Royal Navy’s blockade, and the Nazi policy was “we won’t starve in the next war because we’ll starve the rest of Europe instead”.
And yes, the Germans did occupy Ukraine in 1918 but were disappointed by how little food production was left over once the local population was fed, which is why the Germans in WWI sought merely to conquer Eastern Europe but in WWII sought to depopulate it.
Except it isn’t controlled! It makes no sense whatsoever. The corporations with the biggest financial clout are companies such as VW and Coca Cola, utterly reliant on consumers. The other big hitters are oil and gas companies. AND most big hitters are rivals. This makes no sense politically, industrially, or economically. With reluctance, because something is going on, I’m calling this one false.
Corporations that actually make stuff are less and less powerful:
“‘The tech giants now account for nearly 40 per cent of the value of the Standard and Poor index, a level of concentration unprecedented in modern history.’ The big five ‘FAANG’ tech firms (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google) account for 15 per cent of the market. Apple alone counts for seven per cent of the S&P – its market capitalisation is worth more than the annual GDP of most countries.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/17/the-new-few/
Companies that deal in information (which is protected from competition by intellectual property laws) are able to make far larger profits than those which sell commoditized goods in highly competitive markets.
Nick, I too have wondered what the end game could possibly be by nigh on wiping out a consumer base? I’ve come to the conclusion that they’re merely looking to reduce it to a more manageable (sustainable?) level. As an aside, VW are worth a mention. My moral compass says the board should be in prison over the whole emissions scandal (I know, other makes of cars are available too). A few quid lighter in the dividends wallet maybe but otherwise unscathed. Maybe there are already big companies looking to sell less and rent more? Deliveries straight to your door of all the things you no longer own but rent instead? It all sounds a bit far fetched to me too until I look at the path our government has taken and, more worryingly, continues to take. I don’t know if this WEF nonsense is achievable and wonder at the mere audacity of the suggestion of the cause justifying the means. One thing I do know is, if you want to hide something from someone, there is nothing more audacious, cunning or brilliant, than putting it right under our noses. For my children’s future, I’m gagging at the stench under… Read more »
For a start, it’s not the wef that will implement any agenda. They are a thinktank, they seem to work by making predictions on the likely future course. Some of the “stakeholders” have some extremely strange ideas, but they are the individual’s ideas. Any and all implementation will be done by national politicians, and not all will implement the same things.
The “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it” line comes from a Danish politician, and while Schwab believes that the “ostentatious display of wealth will no longer be possible”, nowhere does he say “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it.”
My own view is that if something fits the tropes of a particular method, then that something belongs to that method. If it sounds like a mad theory, looks like a mad theory and smells like a mad theory, then it IS a mad theory.
Things will change once this nonsense is over. No ifs, no buts. But that change will be driven by US, not politicians, not elderly Germans playing dressup, not thinktanks. It won’t even be driven by the WHO or UN, SAGE or any government. But by us.
Investigate what Maurice Strong is saying. No I don’t think the Chinese want their customer base destroyed, but the Green Agenda has a different origin.
Maurice Strong actually died in 2015, but killing air travel (through border closures) and commuting (through forcing as many people as possible to work from home) certainly fit the green agenda.
Green agenda I get, Rosie, but not that companies, corporations and politicians who like spending taxes will do more than pay it lip service. You know I’m reading Schwabs books and what’s said in those is not tallying with this “they’re out to get us” distraction that keeps popping up ad nauseam.
The only way I’d see to keep someone loyal to an evil cause that they don’t fully believe in, is through blackmail. Bribery isn’t enough because bribees can always refuse to co-operate (either out of conscience or out of greed).
Threats should also be considered, GC. Either directly to an individual or to people he/she cares about.
And such threats can only plausibly come from powerful criminal organizations or authoritarian states.
If this was to the occasional world leader here and there, yes I can see that. But against ALL of them? Come off it, it would be game over for the “powerful criminal organizations”. If world leaders are talking to said organisation, then they’re talking to each other.
Putin and Xi Jinping are the only authoritarian states who can possibly have this power. I doubt very much they are threatening ALL other world leaders and getting away with it either.
Yes, if one considers intelligence agencies as powerful and criminal.
Yes ,agreed. Basically the Jeffrey Epstein playbook. Entice, entrap, personally compromise, and then control.
Yes, but you can blackmail back. It takes more than one to conspire. If the wef is blackmailing world leaders, they only need get together and blow the thing wide open. Game over. It really isn’t difficult. This whole “planned global event” plot/theory is built on very shaky foundations. No strategic reason as explained above, various plans being used the the many different leaders, and too many people on the ground aware of it.
Not looking good from their point of view. It’s nonsense and I’m a little surprised to find it atl if I’m honest.
It appears that Sweden has been blackmailed back.
If they are being successfully blackmailed, then surely, in denouncing the blackmailers they would have to provide proof by revealing the reason for their being blackmailed…..
DNR
I suspect the WEF is lying. The destruction of the economy is a clean slate for the Great Reset
No it isn’t, it’s a clean slate for anarchy. That means the military will win, not the WEF. The whole thing makes NO sense. I’m calling it out as BS. It’s not just the WEF and Greens with an agenda.
Since there’s no globalist military don’t you mean in practice “the nationalists will win, not the WEF”?
Yes, and if you read any of Schwab’s books, he has a horror of “nationalists”. Given he grew up in Germany in the immediate aftermath of WW2, I’m not surprised.
When you have anarchy, those with the biggest and most guns win. For much of the world, that’s the military.
Trashing the world economy for a “reset” is total idiocy.
The world economy is being trashed every minute, every hour, every day. And we are all responsible.
If Biden wins we are doomed. If trump wins maybe not.
I think you’ll find it tends to be the Rothschilds who win.
Does anyone here know how Herr Schwab accumulated all his billions? His enablers, links, contacts, dirty deals, government handouts with your money, etc.
Not to get distracted or upset by the fact there are many ‘immutable truths’ ?
Georgia Guidestones
A vaccine passport to watch a football match hasn’t happened yet. If/ when someone tries to do it let’s see what the courts make of such a decision…
What if the FA decide to do that?
Football grounds are private property and not being vaccinated will not be made a ‘protected characteristic’.
Only a boycott or being taken to court would prevent them from doing it. I think many of them would be wary especially the backlash that accompanied that report about Ticketmaster. They might have issued a denial but they still have to be wary as many people have already said that they will still boycott them.
A point was made that if Ticketmaster insist on a vax passort of sorts then they admist liability in the event anybody gets sick at their event. Because what they are saying is “we only let in people who cannot pass on infections”
That’s a very high bar.
Let’s see what the courts say should such a scenario arise. There is no way my family will be having this vaccine before 2025, at the earliest. Indeed, I don’t think we will be allowed to have it as my daughter has a serious autoimmune condition which went acute after her preschool MMR. If I or my family are denied access to anything I will be looking for a friendly lawyer.
So far it would appear that the courts are going to be as helpful protecting our liberties as German courts were at protecting the liberties of the Germans in the 1930s.
It can hardly be classed as theorising if the evidence that it’s actually happening is in plain sight.
But not everyone agrees with this interpretation. I don’t and I’m not stupid. I am tired of this sort of arrogance from people like you.
I feel we have to separate the 2 aspects. Discussions on the global political, power and financial moves on this are perfectly valid. But we then need to think about what we can do on a practical level to change anything on all this.
I have just looked on Twitter and one of my tweets about the need to write to MPs to vote against any further Covid legislation has been liked and re-tweeted by 2 people. Hardly a revolution but from small acorns……
It’s an interesting point.
However, let’s imagine that suddenly the mass media accurately points to how inaccurate the “positive cases” narrative is. So, the government decides to suspend PCR tests. Slowly we return to normal.
I think that happening is a more outrageous possibility than the government sticking to its guns, rolling out the vaccine, creating immunity apps with QR codes and mandating masks forever than them slowly or quickly backing away from their current course.
Reiner Fuellmich covers this issue well.
First he looks at the facts. The facts are that many individuals lied and caused huge harm. So we sue them to recover the losses.
Next, what level of reimbursement, for this the courts look at ‘intent’. What was their intention when they lied? Was it knowingly to cause harm, or was it general incompetence? To find out look at what they have said in various forums, such as in words in Davos or in writing. If they set out with the intention of causing harm then courts award aggravated damages, much higher.
So, we’ll need to see how Simon Dolan’s legal challenge is handled. History shows, though, that the judicial system will bend whatever rules are required to enable the power brokers to do their thing.
I know that. It’s why I am telling everyone to get out there and talk to people, one at a time.
The issue of what they intend to do is important for us.
As soon as we take seriously what they say they will do, then we will quit expecting reason and truth to have any impact, we will quit hope, and start to get our fightback properly organised.
Once we know their game plan we can devise a counter strategy.
Exactly, rather than throwing our hands in the air, shouting “bumbling incompetence, Boris must go”, and hoping that the system, revealed as corrupt, will somehow listen and change.
Precisely. I’m working out a fresh post. We need a campaign plan and then instead of sitting around expecting other people to solve this problem for us, we need to action it ourselves.
Please join me.
I would love to help, what do you have in mind?
Right on, Rosie!
Awards it to whom and it will be from our money anyway ?
No, Fuellmich intends to bankrupt individuals, starting on the medium level people, and then move onto the bigger boys.
What’s needed is for British lawyers to step up and go after Neil Ferugson and his ilk.
As for award it to whom, anyone who joins in the class action. This is a legal mechanism in Canada and USA and anyone who wants can add in their claim, including people here such as Arnie who can easily show that his business was destroyed because of lockdown
Thank you, that sounds much more interesting. Pity bozo hasn’t got a penny to his name.
No, but witless and unbalanced have.
It seems to me to be the most important route to victory, even though the obstacles are huge – and Reiner isn’t stopping there. He’s intending to carry on and defeat the climate change scam as well. We’ll be no further forward if we can’t demolish that one as well.
Starter listening Reiner Fuellmich:
https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.
https://youtu.be/XQYzb5_kax8 from 10 days ago, Dutch interviewer
Knowing about this happening gives me the strength and determination to continue to fight the good fight
They may well throw such labels at you anyway even if we all studiously avoided anything that might be construed as a conspiracy theory.
Theorising is actually an essential part of investigating. We should be open to consider every theory that tries to explain what is happening and evaluate it against the evidence available. If we limit our thinking based on what labels some crazy and evil people might try and apply to us that’s not going to help either.
Maybe, and certainly debate should be encouraged. But zombies will buy the official line – that we are nutters – unless we maintain one firm, simple argument: that totalitarian bullying, feeding mass hysteria, is not the best way out of this pseudo-crisis.
And people spend too much time concerning themselves how we got in to this and not enough time finding ways to get us out. The problem with saying everything is planned is that it saps the will to overcome all this and leaves people feeling helpless. That’s why everyday we have to remove the cloud of doom mongering and pessimism on the site before we can get moving .
Dead right.
I have the same problem when forwarding posts from Ickes site some of which are very informative and yes, inspiring.
Anything D Icke says is like krytonite to normies. It’s causes instant mental shut-down.
Like the benefits of masks ? Like a totalitarian police state ?
They shut down mentally when the weather looks a bit iffy.
That’s a step up from ‘cattle’, though, surely Annie ?
Meuh.
Have you considered that those you deem to be unhelpful to your ’cause’ do not think of themselves as following any cause and are simply exercising their right to free speech as individuals?
Would you like them to desist from expressing their opinions?
Unfortunately they won’t stop doing it though.
To be honest I sometimes wonder if some of them are being paid to do it.
The intention being to give the site a bad name.
If that’s the case then they will never stop it no matter what you say to them.
Wow. A bit of self awareness seeping through at last!
For the umpteenth time , this is not a conspiracy – it’s an agenda.
Groups of powerful and influential people do meet and develop schemes, that isn’t conspiracy it’s fact.
We are happy to believe that the political tussling going on at number 10 is small factions getting together for their own ends and yet wilfully refuse to see that the same “conspiratorial” mechanisms are at play elsewhere.
Didn’t 1984 describe describe this as “double think” ?
Agenda 21/30 The WEF,Bill Gates are all quite open in their aims.
The government are coming into the open with policies that complement and support these aims.
These groups and leaders across the world are telling us that coronavirus is the window of opportunity to implement these aims and people still feel afraid of the slur conspiracy theorist.It is being used as the slur racist was used,in stopping debate and opposition.
It’s the “revelation of the method”. It is all there to be seen and yet the bewildered herd mill around waiting for direction from a wilfully duplicitous govt.
The herd doesn’t think but acts as a mass. The people in charge are using these well know and simple psychological methodologies to create the illusion of mass acceptability of their dictats . For free thinkers and non-herd people it’s absolutely sickening.
Good name Bill.
Because – true or not – the general public is entirely turned off by anything that looks like a conspiracy theory and we need the general public onside to win this thing.
Even if I was 100% convinced it was all true, I’d still never mention it when trying to convince Joe Public to turn against lockdown because a) they will think I’m bonkers and b) they don’t care anyway, even if its true.
We are in a propaganda war – like it or not – and currently we are Polish Hussars against Hitler’s tanks, so it’s hard enough anyway.
It is far, far, better to be persuasive than to be right. I don’t care, at the moment, whether it is a conspiracy or incompetence – I just want it to stop and so will push the line that is most likely to win.
I agree. Sod the means if we can get the end we want before we all go mad. my end is “normal”. Not the “new normal” which is a lie, but proper normal.
The reality is there never was a crisis to exploit. Had certain individuals, institutions and the media not created such hysteria this virus would barely have been noticed.
Your analysis is right. For want of better terminology, I reckon that ‘convergent opportunism’ provides the most accurate description. I don’t class the role of global capital as a ‘conspiracy’ – it’s what big money does if unchecked. The power of Tobacco has never been a ‘conspiracy’ – it’s simply, up-front, making money out of a drug; essentially a licensed drug cartel. So – never underestimate the force of ‘follow the money’ as an analytical tool in politics. The latest analysis has shown the network of links regarding PPE – and you’d have to be a new born not to see the financial network behind the frantic efforts to validate an under-tested vaccine, where we now have the establishment trying to class counter-information as ‘terrorism’. (It’s like having a shoal of piranhas keeping you ‘safe’). Then there’s the related impulse of power and influence – the oldest flattering aphrodisiac as a further enhancement of the ‘Cui bono?’ question. I’ll stick at that sort of analysis rather than get wrapped up in the convolutions of trying to relate every hobby-horse to a master-mind plot – which, as you say, is just counter-productive and diffuses the focus of attack, which should be… Read more »
Even using a term like ‘cui bono’ is enough to get you branded as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ by some zealots! https://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2020/09/coronavirus-and-conspiracy-theories-an-essential-read-for-rebutting-social-media-madness/ (there are lots of these!) In an otherwise interesting discussion, I am disappointed to see posters on here who have hitherto shown themselves to be intelligent and thinking people, now actually using the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ apparently to keep other LSs in line with the ‘cock-up’ theory. What – for fear of ‘frightening the horses’? Surely we can do better than that! ‘Conspiracy theorist’ along with all the ‘anti’ and ‘denier’ insults are potent terms which are being used as weapons to shut down debate. Let’s, please, use them with discretion and caution among ourselves, whatever you believe is behind what is going on. In terms of talking to ‘normies’ – and let’s beware of seeming arrogant here – it may surprise some people to learn that I have been told by ‘ordinary’ people, even some frightened ones wearing masks, that there is an agenda behind all this so it’s not as clear-cut as we might expect. Labels are dangerous. Let people call me a ‘conspiracy theorist’ if they want – I’ve survived worse! AG and have rebranded our… Read more »
Spot on, with you 100% Rick.
You may not know what is going on, NN. Fair enough.
To dismiss all those who are pretty clear there’s a coup taken place, and that the ‘great’ reset is the goal, is a tad adolescent.
Which “coup” is this? The Carrie Symonds coup? The UN coup? The WHO coup? The WEF coup? Bill Gates coup? Pharma coup? SAGE coup? It’s getting increasingly difficult to work out who has couped whom here.
Even better, it’s a “coup” that leaves everybody already in place still in place? Marvellous. The first revolutionary coup in history that leaves l’ancien regime alone. Hmm.
All seem to be players, yep. Not sure the name is important.
No change of personnel, no.
I’m guessing you’re not a fan of the ‘recruited in advance via black masses’ school of thought ? 🙂
You’ll need to explain why you see it as revolutionary. It’s pretty clearly from the ‘top’ down, against we the people.
Fascism 101: politicians and civil servants team up with the oligarchs and go on to spend recklessly on completely idiotic and unproductive stuff to keep the masses from rebelling.
“Conspiracy theorist “ is a term coined by Allen Dulles CIA the director in the 1960’s to undermine those who questioned the verdict of the Warren Commission on the murder of President Kennedy.
Check out UKColumn, Common Purpose “Charity”, Agenda 21, Klaus Schwab …
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=WORLD+BANK+200+BILLION&ia=web
Probably explains why Sweden has done an about face. First they bring you to your knees economically, then they offer you a solution: total surrender. How sweet.
That will be 500 BILLION of little people’s taxes
I think the story that 5g caused coronavirus was put out to discredit opposition to it.The reason it is so important is that it makes the control grid possible and brings to life the internet of things.
Yes, that’s right. What the protesters were saying is that 5G disturbs the natural nature of the atmosphere and which irritates the airways which makes the virus more potent. It’s entirely plausible, but was deliberately twisted to make them sound foolish.
David Icke was allowed to spout all sorts of things.The moment he mentioned 5G in Connection with Covid he was gone from You tube.
Ah, I don’t track this aspect, but that’s interesting. The psyops and manipulation of public opinion. They know exactly what they are doing, I can see that much.
UK Column have been very good on this.How the behavioural Insights team have been plotting policy.
I’m aware that they are but aren’t following them directly, there aren’t enough hours in the day. I’ve taken to relying on comments from people such as yourself
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Behavioural Insights is all over most of the policy agenda of recent years , it’s their job to make the sustainability goals palatable to the masses.
Another outfit to keep an eye on is Deep Mind – also part of the SAGE group .
It’s all about making us accept the virtual prison they are constructing for us.
“It’s entirely plausible”
Hardly, Rosie. I can remember the same sort of stuff about 2G ‘phone masts rotting the brain – often propounded by protestors who spent half their lives with a mobile ‘phone glued to their ear, right next to the brain. They could never see the disconnect.
The case against the Covid-19 myths needs to be solidly based in data and scientific analysis. Everything else is a distraction.
Well said Rick; I fully agree and wish the wilder assertions could be put into perspective.
It will be hard enough to counter the establishment’s virtual covid-coup as it is.
One person’s ‘wilder assertions’ are another persons’s ‘everyone knows that’.
What is virtual about the coup, exactly ?
Virtual in the sense that it hasn’t yet reached its end stage.
Wouldn’t that be ‘ongoing ‘ ? Virtual suggests it has had no real-world impact.
Developing then.
Cool. 🙂
Think I’ve requested a refutation of 60Ghz radiation interfering with oxygen uptake by haemoglobin before, Rick. Any advance ?
re 5G the networks have paid billions for the spectrum licenses and need to deploy asap in order to get return on their investment. I think there may be some nervousness in the markets reflected in share price that the investment will not make the anticipated return, but it’s a long term game i guess.
The auction for the very high frequency bands 24Ghz+ still has not been done has it?
Currently the 5G systems are still using the sub 3.4Ghz band.
This isn’t the new “scary” radio waves YET. 5G is more like “line bonding”, like the old ISDN technology where two separate telephone lines were “bonded” together. With a mobile phone, more data channels can be used between the transmitter and the phone for data transmission.
Ta for the info.That’s a massive change. in frequency. All I’ve been aware of is that the occasional serious-sounding health warning that made its way onto the Daily Telegraph in recent years disappeared immediately. That’s plenty in itself to raise suspicions.
I try not to use mine and I never hold it next to my head when I make a call. In my opinion using a phone next to your head WILL cause brain ,face, neck, ear,or oral cancer
5G’s increased speeds allow for machines to interact with each other, which for some reason excites governments. I’m on the fence about health issues. Nothing would surprise me. I don’t believe it’s part of the Corona Scandal
It excites Schwab too – he is a big fan of transhumanism.
The 5g thing is to construct a surveillance blanket particularly in urban areas. The first use will be the “enhanced” track&trace bs .
Soon after the implanted tech and nano particles will be relaying personal data without interruption. Or so they hope .
It was a pity the anti lockdown movement couldn’t get serious politicos/big personalities to front up . Relying on Icke and Corben was unfortunate because it allowed the movement to be ridiculed as nutters from the start . That NO serious Conserv politicians would speak out , and essentially still don’t is absolutely scandalous and exposes the deep seated corruption of the state.
Its a sorry job when only one senior judge, Sumption, is prepared to stand up .
You need to get/make a Faraday bag for the phone.
I’m still wary of people thinking I’m a nutter, Karen. It’s not a sensible response to people who maybe just heard about CCP Social Credit a tad earlier.
Pleased to hear you’re less likely to do so anymore though. 🙂
Is there no way out of this other than mass protests and mass rebellion? Surely, they can’t throw everyone in prison.
Compliance is trained into 21st Century policing.
They have certainly been trained how to gang wrestle women and elderly men to the ground.
There was a video posted here late 2 days ago when they dared not do that when harassing two muscled up young Veterans in London recently.
Of course mass protest and rebellion would end this. The thing is, how do you get the masses to protest?
Those who have power have it because they have the ability to conjure popular support (or submission). We the masses don’t have that ability and are unable to organise ourselves into a big enough mass protest. At least, so far.
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Masked madness: 2 days ago, I passed a woman walking slowly and unsteadily with the aid of two sticks.
She was obviously struggling to maintain her balance on the pavement; however, a mask which reached to just below her eyes was adding to her difficulties.
This in the open air. If or when seasonal frost and black ice appear, the number of accidents will doubtless increase, if the gullible persist in gagging themselves in this way.
Did you speak to her?
We need to overcome normal reticence and speak out
No Rosie, I attempted a smile, but she refused to look my way.
She looked so disgruntled and unsteady that I feared that I might cause a loss of balance.
Cowardly perhaps but she really was in a pickle.
Hmmm, practice makes perfect. I just go for it and say – you can take that thing off then you can breath properly. Even if they don’t, you are feeding them counter-propaganda, and if other people are around they can overhear.
A poster here the other day said it took just a few breaths to bring his oxygen level back to normal after wearing a mask on a visIt to hospital.
To put this context Rosie: since this began,I’ve made one convert-I gave a young bare faced man waiting in our local chemist an exemption badge;
I’ve recommended lanyards to library assistants and a couple of people waiting in the Post Office queue; all refused;
asked a neighbour to remove her mask while speaking to me;
seen off a decidedly officious bloke who told me that I was breeching the 2 metre rule-he backed down when I engaged him in conversation;
challenged a friend who insisted that all folk claiming exemption should have letters from GPs;not going to happen;
worn my lanyard at dental surgery, GP surgery and opticians;
Since I’m more or less the only rebel in these parts, there’s a limit to what I can do.
I know it’s hard, and I think the place to start is to find a few local friends. Ask around more here and where you are, and ask.
Then get a box of leaflets printed up. They really do make a huge difference.
And always look for opportunities.
I’ve never had to wear a lanyard. AFAIK you don’t need one, I just say I’m exempt. It’s a personal thing, but to me wearing a lanyard is as bad as wearing a mask – still being told to wear something to be allowed to live
I don’t agree ; up here the adherence is so slavish that I find it more effective to wear it.
I chose to do this without any pressure and I also feel that because so many of the unfortunates who have to abide by these stupid rules are, in the main, in insecure,poorly paid jobs, that I don’t want to antagonise them.
Finally, I still seem to be in a minority of one and there is a lot of resentment here,as I’ve written previously, directed towards bare faced folk who don’t wear lanyards.
Circumstances differ obviously, but I’ve got to negotiate daily life in this very small town where Sturgeon’s rules go unchallenged.
Many people are quietly angry and fed up, bout they won’t speak out,worried as they are about losing their jobs.
I’m the same. Just shake my head and smile when challenged.
What is your experience in dental surgeries? Finally got an appointment at my dentist (private) for next month, not sure whether to put a mask on and be good or use my lanyard as normal.
Good actually; I’ve had 2 appointments-first one paid for as NHS still not functional-and second on normal NHS terms small charge.
Wear your lanyard; most dentists are sick and tired of the New Normal, since it’s decimated practice incomes, generated lengthy waiting lists and incurred significant additional expenses.
I should think private practices would be more accommodating in any case.
I went to a private dentist around 3 weeks ago after I’d cracked a tooth and part of the filling had come out. NHS dentist wasn’t interested in seeing me and said they were only doing extractions anyway. Had no wish to loose an otherwise fairly healthy tooth. Got the appointment with the private dentist on the same day. Had to fill in a general health questionnaire and a few basic questions about not having Covid 19 symptoms. No test needed thankfully. Asked to wear a mask in the waiting room but said I was exempt and no further questions asked. Dentist seemed a bit of a lockdown sceptic. Tooth repaired and other work done at the same time. Really good job done but cost a lot. Worth it though not to have an unnecessary extraction and luckily I’m not a big spender so had the money available.
I went to my private dentist for a routine checkup on Tuesday. For some reason I was asked to leave my coat and bag in a plastic box in reception. Didn’t wear a mask or my lanyard (that was in my coat pocket stuck in the box) but wasn’t asked about it whilst sat in reception or when I went through to the see the dentist. Bizarrely though, when I got up to leave, the dental nurse offered me a mask for my (very short) walk back to reception! I just said I was exempt and that was it.
I’ve had two appointments this week. Temperature taken, but nothing else insisted on and no mask worn nor offered nor mentioned at all. The same as many businesses, they will have to jump through hoops in order to be ‘allowed’ to practice: so all manner of screens, leaving your coat here, and one patient out, clean down the place, another patient in sort of thing. NHS dentists round here still doing nothing other than ‘triaging’ which in practice I think means handing out painkillers and/or antibiotics and sending you to a town ten miles away to have teeth pulled.
I think, in these instances, courtesy is the way forward. I was prepared to put on a mask as I wanted to get my teeth done, though I wasn’t asked to as it turned out. I suggest a non-confrontational telephone call to ask about their procedures.
Incidentally, they are unhappy about not being in the front line for ‘the vaccine’ as NHS dentists are, even though those NHS dentists aren’t even dealing with patients.
2 trips this far. They never ask took my temp and offered hand sanitizer. Given that they will be staring in my open maw guess they didn’t care. Had did have and interesting conversation with them and occupational health assessments for mask wearing. The dentist is based inside a Sainsbury’s and the question came up with whether super markets etc have done an oha for making their staff wear masks all day…..I bet not.
I too am having difficulty in persuading people to ditch the mask. When I suggest that they exempt themselves the general response is, “But I have nothing to be exempt for”. To which I reply, “Everyone and anyone can exempt themselves for any reason or no reason at all, it’s all clearly published on the gov.uk website”.
When I push the point the broad response is, “I wear one because I’ve been told I must wear one”. This really suggests to me an unquestioning acceptance of the dogma and zero interest on their part in finding out more.
All of this just backs up my own personal observations both pre-mask and the current situation on peoples attitudes to personal hygiene, infection control and how they wear and carry their masks.
There really is no hope with people sometimes.
The report from the reader visiting A&E (above), and the dramatic measured effect on blood oxygen levels, is ample proof that anyone could use the “Risk of Harm” get out clause in the regulations.
Remind them that people with respiratory problems are given OXYGEN to helpthem. The stuff that’s out there in the fresh air, that anyone can breath – so long as they ditch the filthy bit of contaminated Chinese paper/plastic.
I spoke to an elderly woman sitting on a low wall outside Tesco clearly in distress.
” I got to wear it I got breathing difficulties”
I replied that is precisely why you are exempt.
“I had double pneumonia”
Gave up at that point.
You can but try ….
I posted on here 2 days ago a similar experience with an old lady in Morrisons. We got her a lanyard but I bet she perseveres with the mask ‘because she’s been told to’. Very depressing! MW
I heard that from a person as well, she was hospitalised after a respiratory infection last year, so she is wearing a FC “to protect her from breathing anything in”.
I have to say it, because it’s causing so much distress – but the rules that compel people to wear face masks, even healthy people, are truly sinister and evil
I suspect the paper trail to the originators of these rules leads back to some clever psychopaths who understand exactly the insidious psychological harm (and physiological harm) that masks do
I’ve seen commentary that warns against prolonged wearing of face masks for children as it may harm their brain development, and a video on YouTube of an American woman whose son collapsed at school after wearing a face mask. She plans to sue the school
I notice how politicians are exempt from wearing them in Parliament
It’s a valid question that we’re allowed to ask.. Are they safe?
https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1324290670564122624?s=20
Agree. It reeks of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy – why are healthy people being forced to act as if they’re sick?
And what’s sinister is how many people have brought into this.
Because it isn’t expensive or difficult to do but exhibits slavish loyalty to the new normal with mild discomfort as a sacrifice*
Very clever indeed.
* sacrifice. See Jordan Peterson
Exactly and they’re convinced that they’re doing good and for others its an opportunity to virtue signal.
Think North Korean brainwashing . Think of the incessant repetition of the slogans “Stay alert” “Save the NHS” on and on , on TV, radio and in the papers. I’m not sick – but I AM sick of the state that the majority seem to be happy to be in. Shows that if you tell a lie often enough eventually it will be believed.
Quite agree; I’ve just visited local supermarket, everyone gagged bar me and the till operators ,who work behind perspex screens.
They all look like zombies-blank stares, expressions impossible to read,with a few exceptions who do try and smile.
Nearly all the drivers here are now gagged as well.
Just got back from Sainsbury’s, and two of them were wearing masks as well!
No, of course they’re not safe. Think what you’re breathing in = all that stale air and germs. I’m trying to get people to email MPs who are against lockdown to bolster them and to Johnson, and Hancock to hassle them, together with Vallance and Whitty. Emails don’t cost, so I’ve been using them. Tell them masks are not safe. Tell them of the Danish report. If thousands of us did it, maybe their cloth ears would open. They don’t want to lose votes, after all..
Sorry, I just have no sympathy for anyone who wears a mask without compulsion.
The lady is free to do what she likes and take the risks she choses. If her calculation is that she is at greater risk from catching coronavirus out on the street than from slipping and falling as a result of impaired vision or less brain oxygen, well that’s completely her choice.
I’m inclined to agree with you; one cannot save people from their own daft decisions and one cannot take responsibility for all.
However, as you will note from previous comments, I have at least tried to penetrate the compliance carapace, without much success.
I honestly don’t know what the likely outcome of all this will be.
After months of avoiding shops wherever possible I have finally started going to the local Sainsbury’s, wearing an exemption lanyard. So far no problems, although I don’t look at people if I can avoid it. Yesterday I made a 30 mile round trip to a couple of hardware & engineering suppliers get some workshop items (got to keep busy during lockdown!). The first place had the usual “Masks Required” notice, but a further one saying “If you have an exemption we will serve you at the door”. That’s pretty worrying – more physiological blackmail, and the second shop had a “Masks Compulsory” sign, but with no mention of exemptions. In each case I was only there for 5 minutes, so I put one on, but noted that the staff took theirs off as soon as they moved outside from one building to the next.
I posted a photo yesterday of a sign saying to pay at the window if not wearing a mask. This was at s supermarket petrol station
I ignored it and so did the staff.
I always ignore those rude ‘NO MASK NO ENTRY’ signs and I no longer wear an exemption badge. No problem so far. (I did encounter a woman haz-matted up at the door of a hardware shop on Tuesday who clearly had no idea what the word ‘exempt’ meant but her colleague waved me in with a smile!) MW
Walking through town today it was really depressing all the shops notices basically saying masks are compulsory. I spoke to a librarian if they could change their sign, and she was understanding. I just find these signs intimidating, and I believe myself to be a confident person. How does someone feel who already has social anxiety?
though taken off the £10 note, the genius of Darwin is conformed almost daily.
Too true! What would he make of all this? And TH Huxley?
Why,oh,why, is anyone wearing an unhealthy mask outside in the open air? It’s the equivalent of “mission creep” – one day, in the bus, next day everywhere. They don’t help, so it’s just another sign of totalitarian state control. My husband expects me to wear one, so I do – saves even more arguments – but, left to myself, I’d make a bonfire of the buggers.
Mr Passman might be open to a charge of ‘coersive control’.
I am sickened by Mayor de Blasio shutting the New York public school system due to an increase in test positivity to 3.0%. Has he not read the New York Times (29/8) – around 90% of these test results are false positives. Another article in the NYT estimated 2.8 life days per head of population had been lost to COVID in the whole period of the virus (or as they put it 2.5 million life years for 330 million people), before adjusting for false positives. The rise in poverty will cause 100’s of times more loss of life years (see the Marmot review ten years on). That’s before the increase in cancer deaths, heart disease, suicide etc etc. Not to mention unemployment, wrecked childhoods and mental health issues. Or for that matter 100s of millions thrown into starvation in the LEDCs. We have built up huge immunity in large population centres like for example London, NY state and the whole of Sweden, why else do the death rates remain stubbornly low (even before adjusting for the ridiculous effects of false positives) ? The hysterical reactions of the likes of Hancock, Johnson, Starmer, Whitty, Vallance, Fauci, de Blasio must be stopped.… Read more »
de Blasio is simply an archetypal Dem lockdown zealot, who won’t let evidence get in the way of draconian policies. The monied folk will simply continue to exit the city.
What will NY look like in a year’s time, one wonders?
Needless to say these policies will disproportionately punish the disadvantaged, particularly the minority communities.
His brother is also particularly odious.
I agree. Tell me how. I’ve been asking John Lee, Rocco Forte, Jonathan Sumption, etc since May how to organise a revolt against this North Korean style mess Johnson has got us into, but no one replies. What I’ve been doing is using email for any politician like Johnson, and sending emails tying to bolster the honourable ones who voted against this last lockdown. Then I write to Vallance and Whitty. Hassle them. Gum up their in boxes. We need a mass movement to put so much pressure on the that they’ll get us back to a real normal. It worked for Rashford.
I wish I knew how. We have lost nearly a year for no reason. If all these ridiculous restrictions stopped tomorrow it would almost certainly make very little difference.
It sounds like you’re doing good work – and just encourage people to be as normal as possible.
EDF Energy yesterday announced the closure of its offices in Plymouth because the success of WFH means it has become redundant.
I’ve not been able to find out how many people work for EDF in Plymouth but the main building looks as though it could be a couple of hundred.
All very nice for them but any collective bargaining will whither away and what chance natural wastage will be replaced locally, elsewhere in the UK or overseas ?
And a new report, discussed by the BBC, claims that WFH increases racism. It’s a Catch 22; get people working from home because of corona and the climate catastrophe, create more racists.
Everything increases racism according to the BBC.
Its not catch 22 its just bullshit.
Working from home is bad news for young people and people looking to change jobs. I remember the first place we lived when i had my first job, you could barely live in the place at all let alone work there, if it had been work from home I could not have done the job. As with everything else in all this hoo-haa nobody seems to be capable of looking beyond the end of their nose.
I met a chap who ‘had to go back to the office’ because his brother had moved in following a breakup with his partner so he no longer had a spare room to use as his WFH space.
The first few weeks and months into a new job is always the learning stage, which mostly means learning by doing & copying. How can you do that working from home?
That said I think there is also a small sea change happening. Back in summer, you had people crowing about how great working from home is and how you get to save money. Fast forward to now, you’re getting many people admitting that their physical and mental health is shot due to working from home!
Very valid point. I often think that I could manage to WFH these days – now I am living on my own with a 2 bedroom house and the smaller bedroom is my study anyway. But – when I was younger I had years of having to live in grotty bedsits barely big enough to live in myself/never mind use as my workplace too. Add the fact that those bedsits were (barely) heated by electric fires (no central heating – albeit it was the 1970s then – so that wasnt as common as now). Obviously, in this day and age, I’m aware there are groups of young people that are strangers to each other living in houseshares and very often the sitting room is also being used as a bedsit for one of them too and so there’s literally nowhere for any of them to WFH (bar taking turns on the kitchen worksurfaces – and then the others wondering how they would prepare their food).
Aren’t young people supposed to WFH sitting in Starbucks or in a trendy cereal bar?
If they open up these “new” workplaces again. It Fine.
And what will happen to them when it becomes possible to hire people overseas to do the same job for the fraction of the price?
They’re signing their own death warrant.
My next door neighbours are Turkish. She works from home, has done since March. He works from home, has done since march. They can work from home anywhere. They went back to Turkey in August to work from home and have just come back, probably to sell their house and work from home in their UK jobs back in Turkey.
What’s not to like for them? They get piles of cash from the house, their UK salaries in Turkey (for now) and will be super rich by in comparison to other Turks.
I am sure they will buy a small castle soon with their own private beach and goat herd.
My wife recently completed her MBA thesis asking whether working from home was a good thing or not. In short, it isn’t. Amongst other things, problem solving via teams is a lot less effective and overall productivity drops.
I used to work from home a lot in a past life. The novelty wears off after a while.
Exactly my experience. I worked from home for a period an a research project. It suited the job and it suited me for a period. It did allow me to take over looking after the children for a while – and that was a plus, and there was a definite plus in the flexibility.
But that was assisted by regular face-to-face meetings that prevented isolation. It was a balanced situation.
After a while, however, the flexibility gave way to a problem in work-time extending and being ill-defined – and by the end of the period, I was happy to go back to a more regular work/home situation.
The next step in the project is mass vaccination. In 2009, in the alleged Swine Flu pandemic whipped up by the WHO, the uptake was only about 10% of the population – my response in BMJ to Heidi Larson of the vaccine confidence project last year: Fear of the disease is not a reason for confidence in the product…The World Health Organization has nominated “vaccine hesitancy” [1] one of the ten threat to global health in 2019. So perhaps a pertinent question for Heidi Larson [2], director of the Vaccine Confidence Project, is from what body of evidence does she draw her confidence? As an example Larson wrote last year in the Financial Times: “In 2009, during the swine flu pandemic of the H1N1 influenza virus, poor public co-operation and low acceptance of the vaccine was a wake-up call. The public might fall for faulty science, but the more worrying trend in 2009 was the lack of civic responsibility and co-operation. Governments should see in this an urgent need for a new social contract.” But there were many disturbing aspects to this episode and it is far from clear that public scepticism regarding the WHO and its decision making were… Read more »
This is an example. Take their documents seriously because what they mean what they say.
by comparison, Hitler published in the 1920s what he wanted to do. Few people believed him. So then he gained power, as he said he would do, killed a lot of people, just as he said he would do ……and then people were surprised.
Too bad they dismissed it as ‘conspiracy theory’
Crikey. I didnt know that. Do you have a link to that (in English)?
They didn’t use the exact term ‘conspiracy theory’
but my older friends in their 70s tell me this, including one who lived in Germany for a long time, and it’s the reason Churchill was excluded from public life for a decade. He kept on warning and warning and warning people, and the military was run down, and it was almost too late by the time people woke up.
My friend knows one family who stayed on for their child’s education, and practically the entire family ended up in the death camps.
There is a theory amongst the “evil ones” that they must tell the victims what they are going to do. Then, if there is no (violent) pushback, the victim is deemed to have consented – in the literal sense – to the action, no matter how evil.
This is where the legend comes from, that you “have to invite a vampire into your home” before it can attack you. I know that this will be laughed-at by most people (even on here), but I absolutely assure you that this is taken absolutely seriously by those who do this sort of thing. You have no idea how prevalent this is in covert society.
Almost every evil thing Hitler did he said he would do in Mein Kampf but you have dig it out from lots of othe nonsense.
He did not have chapter headings.
Euthanize the sickly
Kill the Jews.
Invade Russia.
Should not the fact that the MHRA has tendered for AI to track quote ‘ The expected high volume of adverse reactions to the vaccination ‘ be enough to dissuade people.. if of course , it was made public..?
There are, of course, lots of things which are “public” which are somehow prevented from becoming widely known. The MHRA request is unhinged. They propose to license products for which they anticipate generating adverse event data which it is beyond human capacity to process (the agency has btw 1200 employees). It may be mentioned than when the agency was criticised two years ago for failing to detect narcolepsy as a side effect of Pandemrix in 2009 they were quite unapologetic:
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11
After this one person without using AI, lawyer Clifford G Miller, dredged through the available data and found 178 possibly related events for the first 67 days – about 3 a day. Perhaps, if they had succeeded in vaccinating the entire population it would have been 30 cases a day. How long does it take one person to spot 30 cases.
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-23
So, how many events could they possibly be anticipating for the Covid vaccines? And of course, the hard work would not be collating cases but following them up, which could not possibly be done with AI. But, of course, they have little record of following up cases.
If my memory serves me correctly £60m was paid in compensation for vaccine injury (brain damage) for this vaccine. I recall an article in The Times about it
Unfortunately, that is incorrect. It was an early estimate of the liability of GSK (although under-written by the British government) based on the number of cases accumulated at approx £1m a head. Unfortunately, access to the courts is controlled by the Legal Aid Agency, which is part of the Department of Justice ie the government. Everyone in the UK must consider that in accepting a vaccine they are doing it entirely at their own risk: the government has it stitched up. The government also sought to avoid making payments to Pandemrix/narcolepsy sufferers under the separate Vaccine Damage Payment scheme using a Catch 22 method of assessment and were hauled over the coals by the Appeal Court in 2017. Subsequently cases in low single figures probably got awards with 90 or so refused or still pending. Maximum payment under the scheme is £120k. But also bear in mind if anyone is injured they are going to become non-persons: the “antivaxxers” who vaccinated.
Fundamentally, what we have is conspiracy of the British government to defraud the British public. The government has been pumping our money into GAVI since 2011:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4078904/amp/The-fattest-charity-fat-cat-Foreign-aid-boss-MILLIONS-1-5billion-handed-charity-British-taxpayers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S0LAbObZV0&feature=emb_title
If and when there are harms they will be paid for by the British public through hospital and social care costs, and the damage. In the remote possibility of anyone suing the companies or the government as the result of indemnities the damages will wind up being paid by the British public again. These are in no sense balanced deals or recognise the interest the British public. They are made by the industry on behalf the industry for the industry. When the government were causing immense hardship to the sick and disabled in 2011 they were giving our money to GAVI with David Cameron and Bill Gates presiding. Whatever it is I really don’t think it is philanthropy in any meaningful sense.
I stand corrected. This is the article I remember (linked below)
I’ve seen the Government’s vaccine injury compensation scheme.. So I’m guessing that’s been stopped now
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/victims-of-swine-flu-jab-to-get-pound60m-payout-02ptvlnlzqk
No, the Vaccine Damage Payment Act has not officially been stopped but the government claim that vaccines are so safe that it is redundant. Since 1990 the US Vaccine Injury Compensation scheme has paid out on 7,666 cases.
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf
It is not easy to win against them – you need medical and legal expertise and you need to process the claim in a timely manner which may be hard for a family nursing an injury. Over, the same period the British government have made 91 awards
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/541683/response/1302605/attach/3/FOI%201161672%20attachment%20v2.xls?cookie_passthrough=1
Allowing that the US has roughly 5 times the population that is about 17 times the number of cases receiving recognition. As to myself I am not at all litigious but I would like to have the protection of the law, which has been utterly removed.
Thanks for the very useful summary.
The HPV vaccine still shows zero sign of reducing cervical cancer in the vaccinated generation, which I believe was its original ‘rationale’. Meanwhile, in all the older unvaccinated age groups, cervical cancer rates continue to fall…
One consolation for most of our population: they won’t need to worry when the Borg are seen coming, because they’ve turned themselves into drones already.
From the Blomberg article:
“New lockdowns have put the euro zone on the verge of another contraction as winter starts.”
Note that it doesn’t say ‘Coronavirus has…”
My charming community Radio station had a stand in presenter yesterday because as she explained
‘Mike hasn’t been able to get in because of the lockdown’.
Quite refreshing.
Baby steps…
Just thinking about all the Remain voters who demonised Leave voters citing a damaged UK economy. How many of them are endorsing lockdowns?
If you get a chance see what is currently happening in South Australia
Any links/clues?
https://youtu.be/gvmC4hXkveo
Hmmm ‘circuit breaker’
A quick search reveals that, due to 36 new “cases”, South Australia is going into an absolute, complete lockdown.
https://www.rt.com/news/506779-australia-coronavirus-cluster-quarantine/
You are normally optimistic and encouraging – has this changed?
I thought we were turning the corner in July – hence I stopped posting online but I did carry on emailing Toby
CCL “You are normally optimistic and encouraging – has this changed?”
The government won’t reduce the lockdown, I can’t see this changing for a while. I walk past my pub (I don’t drink) but I use to love going for a nice breakfast. I am missing it. I am a strong person, not very sociable but this is even getting to me now.
Every day is the same, groundhog day.
Agreed, I don’t miss pubs as such but I do miss having breakfast while out and about.
You are not alone. I think a lot of us who were on here from the beginning probably thought we were turning a corner in the summer. The fact that not one bit of scientific evidence makes a difference is genuinely depressing in the true sense of that word.
Interesting section on China, my girlfriend recently returned home there and after the two weeks quarantine she observed pretty much the same after leaving Shanghai (where face masks on public transport and the use of the health passport app are required and is consistent with the COVID-19 comes only from abroad message), i.e. back to normal. For those of you that think that back to normal in China is something to be feared, the way China is portrayed in the media here is more lies/propoganda. Having been there many times over the last 4 years, and having travelled extensively within the PRC, I liken it to 1960’s Britain (the swinging 60’s that is), life for most is very good and getting better. Could it be, referencing the Off-Guardian post yesterday………SARS-COV2 is a fiction? Personall, that’s been my view all along.
That differs to what I was told by a former frequent visitor to China with his Chinese wife. It was he who first alerted me to Social Credit there.
It’s real. Small in scope for now but growing. But it is just one element of the total control the government exerts. There are many others.
Electronic money which has now almost entirely replaced cash. They know every single little thing you do.
Cameras are everywhere. Literally everywhere. If the government wanted to track you down, it would take them no. time at all.
Those are the main new ones, to add to the old ones – IDs for everything, police registration when you move to a new city, etc..
What about the China’s social credit system? That looks nightmarish to me
For all intents and purposes, China has blocked out the rest of the world.
Travel into the country is minimal because of the long, draconian quarantine measures.
Chinese people returning get special treatment (shorter quarantine and at home).
This is exactly the way China wants it. Keep foreigners out. Sell goods to anyone who wants them.
They will be just fine with their 1.3billion person internal market and they know it.
Once the government has totally destroyed this country with its seemingly communist revolution there will become a point after we have been thoroughly impoverished where life appears to be good and getting better for those who obey the rules.
Its interesting how communists always have to save the worker by first impoverishing, terrorising and murdering them.
This is fascism not communism;because of the unrelenting propaganda that smeared anyone who spoke out on immigration and racial issues as a fascist,we see Fascism as an ideology of the right.In practice it is very close in its outcomes to communism,for the normal person.When you read accounts of ordinary life in Nazi Germany many compared it to Bolshevism.Also fascism in practice involves the of combination of state and private enterprises.In Communist societies the state owns everything.
I agree that this looks like fascism and I think people that support this are therefore fascists. I think though that ultimately the same dark forces are behind both fascism and communism and it is they who are now fully in control. They will use both systems as it suits them. I fear that once these dark forces are through with their plans that it will then look a lot more like communism. At the end of the day for the victim they are both evil tyranny and the difference barely matters.
“Also fascism in practice involves the of combination of state and private enterprises.In Communist societies the state owns everything“
Important to remember that in the end, once law becomes a plaything of a ruler or ruling elite, ownership means almost nothing, control is what matters. That’s one reason why this distinction between state ownership and big business ownership is relatively unimportant in a state where law becomes arbitrary.
It matters relatively little whether an operation is run as a business “owned” by a crony or member of the ruling elite, or as a political fiefdom administered by a crony or member of the ruling elite.
It’s Stalinism in Wales, with Dungford as a sordid, gibbering, wrinkly mini-Stalin.
China is State capitalist. Billionaires and suicide nets around factories. If there are any Communists in China they’ve probably been thrown in jail
If the Chinese Communist Party that rules over china wants to brand their form of tyranny as communist then who am I to argue. Ultimately I just see it as another type of tyrant claiming to save people while actually harming them.
Perhaps they see this as transitory, part of a greater plan. Its certainly working out well for the CCP so far.
Above its stated ‘In Communist societies the state owns everything’. I thought communism was meant to lead to the dissolution of the state so presumably if the state owns everything that cannot be communism either.
In addition to my other post to put it another way perhaps the communist state can be whatever is necessary to bring about global communism.
As Stalin did to the Bolshevik Old Guard.
Good morning everyone.
I want to know how we can agitate around getting the PCR cycles lowered. As I see it Sage is wedded to this test and it is the cause of the ‘casedemic’. Has anyone got information on what cycles which countries are using? Surely if it was lowered this also might give the government a ‘way down’ from their mess? (Many people have commented that they can’t back down).
I struggle to think of any mechanisms apart from increasing awareness among those we know (if they will listen) and writing to our MPs. As other LSers have posted many times, numerous MPs have asked MH about this issue in writing and in the Commons and there is just no response. Government are completely aware of the concerns and if we are all wrong and it’s a ‘good enough’ system they would have no problem sharing the data and explanation for this. I can only think that introducing a standard for cycles of any sort, especially a lower one, is too risky for them because all those many thousands of tests since March would rightly fall under suspicion.
The case in Portugal is promising and if similar challenges are successful elsewhere, then I hope it might have an impact but the media are utterly disinterested so it won’t reach the consciousness of most people. I’m willing to bet that most of the UK population would still not have even heard of the idea of an FPR or FDR and worse still they don’t want to hear about it.
Thanks. On a different tack I was going to share the Hodkinson video with compliant family & friends but when I looked at his company it specialises in medical negligence cases in Canada. I’m not sure if citing him actually helps our cause or not.
Marialta, I really like this CEBM article https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/
It stops short of trashing PCR completely, but it highlights most, if not all, of the questions we should be asking. I would ask folks whether, if these questions remain unanswered, should we be trashing human life as we know it based on PCR? It’s a bit long for a casual read, but there are bits that we could highlight….
Thanks CB will take a look.
Of course it was CEBM who got UK deaths from 46k down to 41k wasn’t it? They could do that again on PCR cycles, and we could look a lot better on worldwide comparisons.
From an article published back in June by a nappy lover:
“With low-cost, low-risk measures like mask-wearing, the obvious thing to do is try them on the basis that they might work — because what have we got to lose?”
The author answers his own question:
“Face masks impede communication. Indeed that is one of the things that makes them effective — given what we know about how loud talking spreads the virus. The easing of lockdown will remobilise the economy, but with masks-for-all how we look and sound to one another will be transformed. Public spaces will fill with people again, but they will be weirdly silent, their smiles (and scowls) hidden away. It will, in its way, be more disconcerting than the deserted streets of deep lockdown — a cityscape of crowds without hubbub, faces without expression.”
And that’s a really, really good thing. Particularly as it makes dissenters really, really easy to spot and eliminate. Nappy wearing will stop the virus, bingo, job done.
https://unherd.com/2020/06/why-heroes-should-wear-masks/?=refinnar
‘Decapitation impedes being alive. Indeed that is one of the things that makes it effective – given what we know about how breathing spreads the virus. The easing of lockdown will remobilise the economy, but with decapitation-for-all how we look and sound to one another will be transformed. Public spaces will fill with people again, but they will be weirdly mutilated, their smiles (and scowls) destroyed for ever. It will, in its way, be more disconcerting than the deserted streets of deep lockdown – a cityscape of crowds without hubbub, bodies without heads.’
The Final Solution!
Another perspective of the C-19 pandemic (rather bizarre many would say)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.20232009v1
The total number and mass of SARS-CoV-2 virions in an infected person “We estimate that each infected person carries 109-1011 virions during peak infection, with a total mass of about 1 µg-0.1 mg, which curiously implies that all SARS-CoV-2 virions currently in the world have a mass of only 0.1-1 kg”
I hear the faint celestial drumming of angels dancing on the head of a pin
Which helps explain why it blows around in the air in confined spaces so easily.
On 2020-11-06, in Ivor Cummin’s update with Nick Hudson, they talk about the possibility of SARS-CoV-2 having been spread between countries on the trade winds (29m58s).
Viral transmission by wind (in relation to foot and mouth) was mentioned in this article in the Telegraph from 2001-02-22.
Yes, I remember both IC’s hypothesis and the F&M hypothesis. Which makes trying to prevent a ubiquitous virus spreading is a nonsense.
Advice as we enter the Tier 4th Dimension:
close your business for the 2nd/3rd/4th time;
file for bankruptcy;
seek urgent advice on debt relief-(none to be had);
file for divorce;
watch your children disappear from home and school and college;
ignore the pains in your chest and the breathlessness;
ignore the strange lump and the bleeding and the pain;
visit this site:
https://clearyourhead.scot/
make the most of house arrest by joining a zoom hobby group-if you can afford it;
turn the heating down and wear more layers-you’ll be helping to stop climate change;
visit the local food bank;
listen to the Dear Leader’s daily broadcasts as she knows what’s best;
when all else has failed and you’re eyeing the pills in the bathroom cabinet, remember, you’re helping to stop the spread and save the NHS;
finally, the FM hopes that Christmas will be a time of celebration and joy-as we continue on our difficult journey to 2021.
Exactly, kh: they’re all earning silly money,compared to the rest of the struggling plebs in the private sector: they’ll have no worries about fuel poverty-heat or eat-loss of income, indebtedness, deteriorating physical and mental health, family breakdown.
I cannot get this through to people here; I think the masks and the propaganda are causing cognitive impairment-partly physiological and partly from slavish compliance.
My feeling after many months, is that England will see the most concerted resistance and challenge to the dystopia,while up here the masses continue to abide by the FM’s diktats.
What the likely outcome will be, I cannot imagine.
You, Awkward Git and Rosie are my heroes.
And loads of others on here who do far more than me.
What hold you back? Too many different possibilities, or what? Can I help you find a role or niche for yourself?
Do you know how to delete posts on here? I thought you had been mentioning your business because other people know it.
I’ll go back and delete the entry if someone tells me how.
Go to the begining of the days responses, man with cogwheel icon below total posts. This takes you to all your previous posts which you can delete individually
I’m only getting the option of delete them all
Where are the individual posts please
I think ‘delete all’ is just the first time. Try again and each comment should have a dustbin icon alongside.
not got that. Only an email that I can delete 100% of all my comments.
Log out and back in all I can suggest Rosie
Go to the bottom right-hand corner and find the “Edit” button by hovering over the bottom RHS of you post. Click on “Edit” where it says “Manage Comment” and delete the entire post, just leaving a full-stop or something similar.
Go to the bottom right-hand corner and find the “Edit” button by hovering over the bottom RHS of you post. Click on “Edit” where it says “Manage Comment” and delete the entire post, just leaving a full-stop or something similar.
Hope that helps.
Well said kh, and I’ve just made a very similar point in the previous thread.
Most of us are doing what we can, given the constraints of our differing locations, circunstances and personalities.
Similar thoughts here. I am naturally introvert and hesitant to publicise my sceptical view to all and sundry. Over time I have found a few of my friends where I can have semi sceptical discussions but making my views public with posters in the window and handing same out to random people in the street is not my thing. Strongly support the views on here but try and keep myself semi anonymous (though I suspect some know a little more about me than they would admit…).
Thing is Rosie, there’s practically no material to work with down here in SW Devon. It’s nigh on 100% mask compliance, and if anything seems to be getting worse. Even shops that were lax on it a few weeks ago are tightening down now. And the people just seem to love it. As I’m writing this, the posty has just called and refused to hand me the mail because of social distancing, so I said to leave it on the ground. How can you work against this? I’m absolutely not the campaigning type, more the sort unnoticed in the background causing mischief and discord. So I write regularly to my MP – fat lot of good that appears to do, but at least I can later hold him responsible for being complicit in all this. And I make a point of going out unmuzzled, and sound out as many people as I can. But even those who are moderately sceptical just want to go along with it all for a quiet life. How can you help people who won’t stand up for their most basic liberties? Who don’t seem interested anymore? Who are quite happy to be told whether or… Read more »
Yes, KH, I hate sitting by and doing almost nothing. As I’ve explained to Rosie above, there’s seems to be close to zero traction on lockdown scepticism around us down here. Went in the supermarket this morning and when I got there I was the only customer among the scores there who was unmuzzled. And it’s been nearly four months of this, so far. Then to my surprise I saw a woman – slightly shorter than me, a little younger than me – and she was also unmuzzled. Thing is, it was Mrs TJN, and by chance our paths had crossed as we were buggering on through the day. She’s the only person I know to talk to who is anywhere near as sceptical about this as me, and the same goes for her. It’s a lonely life being a sceptic down here in Deepest Devon. And to think that for centuries sailors and explorers set out from here to discover the world, and spread the English language and culture around the globe. Strange to think that we’re the descendants of all those Elizabethan sea-dogs who faced down everthing, and that we’ve come to this. I absolutely fully concur with… Read more »
Very much so! And Biker, wherever he is at the moment.
When I told the GP yesterday about avoiding the waiting room on my way out,as I might upset the gagged majority, he said-‘go ahead, you’re not a plague carrier’.
Methinks that many doctors know this is all nonsense but are hidebound by political pressure and the GMC’s strictures.
One reason I told my boss when I quit my job in a cafe was that I could not put up with the stupid comments and “jokes” anymore.
Putting some stats on your blackboard is a good idea.
Well put wendyk.
I’ve always had a cynical view of politics and politicians but now its hardened into outright anger and disgust. From my point of view, today’s politicians are even more remote than the politicians of the past.
Apart from politicians, I’m also fed up with the people who have bought wholesale into this and still oblivious to the destruction and havoc that the lockdowns are causing. We are being led by the blind and surrounded by the blind and I suspect that it will now take a cataclysmic Armageddon to wake them up. By that time it will be too late.
Agreed as always Bart; I always find your comments succinct, and exemplary in their clarity and their conclusions.
Thanks!!!
Very welcome!
Well I couldn’t find the individual posts button, so I pressed the delete all my posts button – but while I can’t see most of the posts here, it seems to have deleted 3/4 of everyone else’s posts, and seems to have caused chaos on my computer, as far as I can tell the posts you don’t like are still up.
Sorry.
I’m stressed out like everyone else, and in this case I wouldn’t mind at all as it happens. The comments have all magically reappeared so it must have just been taking its time.
It’s driving us all crazy and I obviously got the wrong end of various sticks so all I can say is sorry again.
Ideally, but let’s get some perspective on this before you get too much of a hump with me.
You have posted umpteen times on here about how the police are an enemy and you hate them all, and I never pointed you up personally. I simply kept repeating that these are mostly decent people caught up in it like we are. And that they have people who love them. and that castigating ‘the police’ instead of distinguishing between the commissioners and the ordinary police officer puts them and us into further breakdown. and then I started to say that actually some of these people are known and loved by me personally. So every time someone says something like this they add to the ‘enemy’ mindset and encourage others. What you were saying was not far away from incitement. In the end I had to go on a total rant before you stopped.
Probably had to reload all the comments onto your LS account from day one so some 100,000s.
Have you got to the dustbin icons yet ?
The last few months has been a living nightmare. A close friend has been suicidal. I cannot describe the emotional pain I feel
Lockdowns and restrictions are crimes against humanity. Those who call for them are complicit. Maybe one day there will be criminal trials, but I’m not hopeful. The human race is stupid and more fascistic than I realised
It’s been my experience as well Jamie, and, like you, I’m a rather quiet solitary type ,not really given to approaching strangers with posters etc.
I’ve tried and tried to tell people whom I know about the suicides, the sectioning by overburdened psychiatrists trying to hold the chaos at bay, the shocking deaths of young cancer sufferers denied treatment and the hapless children,forced to wear masks and denied access to drinking water by some school zealots.
As we now know about the chumocracy, its connections, the snouts in the government procurement trough and the unseemly spectacle of legislation and control creep imposed by very well paid politicians, I think that some kind of class action must be brought against these criminals.
The buck stops with them; they must be held to account, whether nationally or internationally, I’m not sure, but it must be done.
I wish Lord Sumption would take it on for us.
I wish Lord Sumption would take it on for us.
I do so agree. I emailed him at Brick Chambers and got no reply. Maybe others email too and also write by post. He said the British people need to wake up, and here we are awake, and we need some formal legal guidance and some leadership.
Most definitely; how I wish he would walk the walk, now that he’s talked the talk.
Written to him twice with no reply. Also to Rocco Forte, John Lee, Angus Dalgleish et al. We need a recognisable leader to head a mass revolt. Any ideas?
Regarding the vaccine. I go along with what many others here have said; it won’t be mandatory but life will be very difficult without you being able to prove you have had it. The way many jobs advertised state ” driving licence essential ” read ” Covid19 vaccination essential “. Same with holidays abroad, tickets for music/sports events etc. But hopefully there will be a flourishing and competitive market in forged and fake vaccine certificates. To paraphrase an old Beatles classic; there’s nothing you can forge that can’t be forged….
Don’t worry. This Davos plan will fail. It is unworkable.
Tell that to the Chinese.
And it’s not as if they have only one plan. They are destroying us by multiple means simultaneously.
The Davos plan is working very well, by all accounts. Quite why this move to make public life unachievable without a vaccine certificate is seen as a bridge too far puzzles me.
I think we are in the midst of a medieval hysteria. I think it will turn and we will all look back on it as being a load of bollocks.
That will not happen in our lifetimes unless we act now. It won’t be you who looks back, neither will it be your children.
of course I don’t know the future, but I am a natural optimist. I am excited at the prospect of calling my lockdown-loving in-laws a pair of mass murdering hysterical retards. That will go on until the end of time
Nobody will make that happen other than we ourselves.
School kids reading about this in History in 2120 will be laughing in disbelief at how the public swallowed the nonsense churned out by the quaint scientists of 2020. And particularly how the Government advised its public that wearing a piece of fabric over their faces would prevent a virus spreading. They’ll be laughing their heads off at that one.
You just reminded me of the “satanic abuse” hysteria of the 1980s where loads of children were taken into care because social workers got it into their heads that a group of devil worshipping parents in the NE were sacrificing and abusing them. Mass insanity among trained professionals, hundreds of ordinary lives ruined.
Totally agree. Brainwashing North Korean style. Get so sick of the constant repetition of the meaningless slogans “Hands,face, space” “Stay alert” etc. Any ideas as to how to pressurise the idiots mismanaging the show would be welcome. In the meanwhile, email Johnson and Hancock, write to Vallance and Whitty telling them how evil they are, and how culpable of all the suicides, bankruptcies, mental health problems etc they have caused, and email the 39 MPs who opposed this evil lockdown bolstering them. I’m open to any other suggestions. Honest (and this year it’s hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives ruined)
I really hope so. Can anyone remind me what brought an end to the Swine-flu pseudo-epidemic? The thought that there is a precedent gives me hope.
Ferguson’s predicted deaths didn’t happen. The Wikipedia entry is illuminating
It just petered (?) out all by itself, all over the world I believe.
Pandemrix vaccine damage.
What I have been saying for ages but the husband laughed at me. This whole scamdemic has proved to be fertile ground for forgeries and it will continue as long as this nonsense persists.
If they’re just certificates then, yes, they’ll be forged. If they’re QR codes, however, they’ll be encoded URLs to a database. You can’t forge the database (the app would likely reject any URLs with the wrong domain name) so the only way you could get round it would be to copy the URL for an existing entry. Whether that would work would depend on whether the database also tracked the person – I suspect even a government as stupid as ours might get suspicious if the same person turned up at hundreds of places across the country in one day.
Seems like you’d just have to attend a suitably private vaccine session, grease the vaccinator’s palm with the going rate of silver, and they give you the blue pill instead of the red pill. And afterwards, your new pal enters your details into the database as normal. Et voilà. The technology might be tamper proof but humans certainly aren’t – I bet corruption like this is rife even in China.
Oh, there’ll be a way round it, certainly. And I imagine officials will turn a blind eye to it as they’ll be using it themselves. It just won’t be something in the hands of the masses, which a simply forged document would be.
They have thought of this.Widespread fraud over QR codes or lack of smartphones in the population will end in us all being given a embedded tattoo which shows our vaccine history.
Dr Gates is heavily involved in this too.
They would have to buy me a very expensive smart phone and pay the contract in that case because I won’t be.
It would be fairly easy to use cryptography to produce a certificate that cannot be forged.
Zanzibar – yes please.
Danish mink farmers have until midnight tonight to cull the last of their stocks.
This is despite Mink Mutant Covid having been detected in The Netherlands, South Africa, Switzerland, Russia and the USA reports the Guardian.
Oops, that’s another stable door not shut in time.
This is the meeting that Dr Roger Hodkinson was at. His bit is a 8:26. Worth listening to the whole meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1W0FHuR-Rc
Thanks. The following speaker is excellent as well, about the interpersonal harms of masks.
Thanks for that. I’ve updated the transcript with a link to the official video, rather than the excerpt.
At first I thought you meant 8 minutes 26 seconds, but then I saw that the video is 9 hours long! Hodkinson’s piece is at 8h26m00s.
Widespread working from home could lead to an increase in racism and prejudice, a new report warns.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54937713
Yer man there should have a facemask on, like all good virtue signallers. Guardian readers even wear them in the shower, I believe.
I know guardian readers that wear them in the house because their child was told to go home due to a teacher at school testing positive. This is what we are up against. Utter madness
Its nice to hear Guardian readers are having a shit time!
I don’t think mandatory vaccination with a barely tested vaccine will happen.
But then I didn’t think the country would be put under house arrest for 4 months either.
8 months house arrest. March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and on into infinity….
To be fair we did have respite of sorts. If you recall it saw most of us buggering off down to the West Country in August and September and killing them all off there. Not.
I saw a lot of Covid theatre when we were in Cornwall in September but a lot of normality too. As far as I recall the streets didn’t end up piled with dead bodies after we all left.
we spent the summer camping with friends, going to the pub and restaurants etc. I work from home anyway, so from 4th July til now I hardly noticed it. My poor mum on the other hand is so panicked she hasn’t left the house since February
Must be the Radon gas protecting the southwesters in wave one and no wave two.
I still don’t know anyone who’s had the f***ing thing. I sometimes wonder if I’m dreaming all of this
You didn’t kill us off . we were glad to see you!. And we still have some of the lowest rates in the country. Please come again
I believe it’s something called “Hotel California”? You can check in but you can never leave. They’ve got the majority just where they want them – totally terrified and subservient. Graham Brady said it “-if this situation existed in a totalitarian state, we would call it evil. It IS evil and those who have caused this are evil. Write or email them -MPs emails are easily found. Write to Vallance and Whitty. Harass them Tell them how you feel.
I didn’t think it would be illegal to visit your sister on her birthday and give her a hug. Or that it would be illegal to drive to another council district to visit a friend.
It is morally legal. Ignore it.
Yesterday linked an investigation that Eco Health alliance Chief Dazsak instructed Lancet that his organisation should not be mentioned in the Lancet letter in February signed by many scientists saying that there was no indication of lab leak as origin of the C-19 virus.Who is Peter Dazsak? He is the Chief of Eco Health Alliance who sponsored the lab work in Wuhan.
Posted below a picture of a tweet by him responding to a scientist. Please read the date of the tweet. You don’t need to be conspirator minded to have due concerns what was going on in Wuhan Lab in full co-operation with Eco Health Alliance and US researchers.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
“The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins.”“We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin”“We declare no competing interests.”
Remarkable letter in Lancet Feb .Look at the names.Peter Daszak,EcoHealth Alliance sponsor of the work in Wuhan lab.No competing interest? Christian Dorsten’s name there also.
Out in the open. That’s what Reiner Fullmich (I think that’s his name) has said about these people. But he suggests more are in the shadows.
By the way what is a humanised mouse?!
Fox. Henhouse.
Arch conspirator. This is what he was up to in 2017:- “Our previous studies demonstrated the capacity of both WIV1 and WIV16 to use ACE2 orthologs for cell entry and to efficiently replicate in human cells. In this study, we confirmed the use of human ACE2 as receptor of two novel SARSr-CoVs by using chimeric viruses with the WIV1 backbone replaced with the S gene of the newly identified SARSr-CoVs. Rs7327’s S protein varied from that of WIV1 and WIV16 at three aa residues in the receptor-binding motif, including one contact residue (aa 484) with human ACE2. This difference did not seem to affect its entry and replication efficiency in human ACE2-expressing cells. A previous study using the SARS-CoV infectious clone showed that the RsSHC014 S protein could efficiently utilize human ACE2, despite being distinct from SARS-CoV and WIV1 in the RBD.. We examined the infectivity of Rs4231, which shared similar RBD sequence with RsSHC014 but had a distinct NTD sequence, and found the chimeric virus WIV1-Rs4231S also readily replicated in HeLa cells expressing human ACE2 molecule. The novel live SARSr-CoV we isolated in the current study (Rs4874) has an S gene almost identical to that of WIV16. As expected,… Read more »
“On 29 April the Department of Health and Social Care signed the £252m contract with Ayanda Capital Limited to supply two types of face masks,” according to the BBC, see:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841
Ayanda Capital “specialise in currency trading, offshore property, private equity and trade financing.” There is no email address or telephone number on their website.
Does anyone know whether the Coronavirus Act 2020 (or any other legislation) prohibits excess profiteering during a ‘public health emergency’?
For a simple answer to that question, create an eBay account and try to list face masks for sale. In all likelihood you’ll have your listing removed and warned not to try to list it again for fear of having your account shut down (yes lots of masks are for sale on eBay, but that doesn’t mean what I’ve just described doesn’t happen. It does).
Or, try to create an ad or boosted post on Facebook that promotes the sale of masks. You’ll have your ad rejected almost immediately and if you persist, you’ll have your Facebook ad account suspended.
Both true stories.
According to R4 yesterday HMG bought 5 times as much PPE as has been used in the 8 months since the start at sky high prices, I seem to remember them saying £34 billion but that sounds implausible.
In July, the Telegraph reported that HMG had spent £15bn on PPE.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949275/Shops-warn-Christmas-shortages-container-port-Felixstowe-clogged.html
“Shops could see stock shortages this Christmas as 11,000 shipping containers full of PPE bought by the Government are stuck in Britain’s busiest container port”.
I guess they will just blame brexit stockpiling…
Info on Ayanda Capital:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11014884
A sweet company in Ballymena got £10m. Clandeboyne Confectionery or something. I shit you not.
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Steve Carrel, wasn’t he in The US version of The Office? Send British rockers into space?
Places that got a big first wave (London) have a small second wave and vice versa. This is only explainable through herd immunity.
The infection rates started falling at the beginning of November – well before the lockdown would be presumed to take effect. Only explainable through herd immunity – especially as we are heading further into winter.
The ‘predictions’ have been way out and are based on the false idea that 90% are still susceptible and we are nowhere near herd immunity.
What will it take for them to throw Ferguson under the bus to save their own skins?
Feeguson is uncrushable. The more spectacularly wrong he is, the more these imbeciles like him. So long as the wrongness can be used to spread terror.
He will almost certainly be on I’m a Celebrity 2021. He whores him self on everything he can. Probably end up as a same sex dance partner on strictly the year after.
His disastrous predictions about BSE/ vCJD and Foot and Mouth were wrong but they were wrong in the right way. After all, no one who works for the BBC or the Guardian cares about a few hundred farmers blowing their own brains out.
Ferguson is a calamity prostitute used by the Government to enact their policies. How else could public money be spent and draconian laws brought in? I’m sure Pharma loves him
Unbalanced and Whitless are the ones who are asking SAGE the questions. They are the principles to blame I feel. These groups always act like the team of experts from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy who when asked to answer the ultimate question. Replied 42. Because the question was flawed.
Not much of a first wave in the Southwest and not much second. More people in hospital than in March April but deaths bumping along at 0-1-2 daily as they have been for several months.
Population density, fresh air and higher natural vitamin D would be my explanation. And I think it was circulating in the South West last autumn after it came back with UK officials at the world military games in Wuhan.
Here in the sticks, in the South Hams, we’ve had 13 deaths. Since March. Just 13! And here we are in November with our shopping centres, pubs and cafes devastated. To say nothing of the shops, theatres and concert venues. And all because an idiot PM believed some deceitful “experts”. I can’t wait for the eventual reckoning.
All corrrect but the peak of infections this time around was in the middle of October before even the tiers could have had an influence.
Yes, some of the ‘scenarios’ that have emerged over the last several months could best be described as ‘Not even wrong’.
Peter Woit, Senior Lecturer in the Mathematics department at Columbia University who coined this term said: “I use ‘not even wrong’ to refer to things that are so speculative that there would be no way ever to know whether they’re right or wrong.”
I do like that.
“Not even wrong” is originally attributed to physicist Wolfgang Pauli, and I tend to think it’s maybe best interpreted as meaning that the underlying basis for an assertion is so off that the statement being made is orthogonal to the actual situation or topic. It is “besides the point” conceptually; it’s not just a case of lacking falsifiability.
In our context, I suppose assertions about the meaning and policy implications of “cases”, and the utility of masks and lockdowns, would fit the category. If there is no actual public health emergency, then all suggested measurements and measures relating to a public health emergency are “not even wrong”.
https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=271
Places that got a big first wave (London) have a small second wave and vice versa. This is only explainable through herd immunity.
Spectacularly true across Europe at the moment too, with Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Germany all escaping it in the spring but now with relatively large second waves.
Get more bacteria and germs by wearing a masks people/ doctors said in March masks don’t protect you then all of a sudden they do(strange) perhaps because people making millions