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by Will Jones
20 November 2020 3:27 AM

Health and Safety Breaches at a Lighthouse Lab

What follows is a guest post by Toby.

Those of us who are dubious about the number of daily cases being announced by the Government each day tend to focus on the false positive rate, as well as the low professional standards at testing centres, leading to cross-contamination before the samples make it to the labs. But focus has now begun to shift to the labs themselves, with Channel 4 broadcasting a Dispatches on Monday night that revealed various lapses at the superlab run by Randox in Northern Ireland that analyses COVID-19 tests from across Britain.

An undercover reporter discovered serious failings, including cross-contamination of test samples. One expert told Dispatches that the lab’s “cavalier approach to safety” could lead to cross-contamination and potentially wrong test results. And by “wrong” they mean a person could be wrongfully diagnosed as positive. After all, if two swabs contaminate each other – one negative, the other positive – they both end up as positive. If cross-contamination is happening at these superlabs – and we have every reason to believe it is – the number of positives is being inflated.

Today, Lockdown Sceptics is publishing an original piece by Dr Julian Harris, a veteran scientist. He got a job in July at the Lighthouse lab in Milton Keynes, one of three superlabs in England run by a company – UK Biocentre – that has received billions in Government contracts. An experienced virologist with a background in biosafety, Dr Harris was horrified by what he witnessed during his first few days on the job. There was no proper induction for new employees familiarising them with how to handle biohazardous material, little awareness of the correct biosafety protocols to follow in the labs and little awareness of the risk of cross-contamination. After his superiors showed insufficient interest in his complaints – treating him as an “irritant”, in his words – he decided to tip off the Health and Safety Executive (HSE). He then worked with the HSE, providing them with real-time information when he encountered a health and safety breach. Before long, the HSE decided it needed to mount a proper, on-site investigation.

After he stopped working at the lab, Dr Harris got in touch with a BBC reporter and an Independent journalist and, when the HSE confirmed to them that it had written to UK Biocentre and notified them of numerous contraventions of health and safety law, they both ran stories last month. But those stories lacked granular detail because the HSE wouldn’t share the letters it had written to the lab operator, either with Dr Harris or the journalists.

Not to be fobbed off, Dr Harris submitted an FOI request to the HSE and yesterday he hit pay dirt: a copy of the correspondence the HSE had sent to UK Biocentre, including two letters containing long lists of health and safety breaches. We’re publishing both of these letters today – you can find them at the foot of Dr Harris’s article here.

Here’s an extract from Dr Harris’s piece:

I’ll give you some examples of the kind of breaches I discovered.

There were >20 Class II Biosafety cabinets (BSCs) for the initial processing of the swab samples. The cabinets are designed to protect the sterility of the samples and protect the operator from any potential contagion in the samples. Unfortunately, overloading cabinets with swab sample bags and unnecessary equipment was a common occurrence. This put the operator at risk of exposure to aerosols containing pathogens escaping from the cabinets into the lab environment, as well as endangering the integrity of the swab samples in the cabinet and risking them becoming contaminated by virus and virus components circulating in the lab.

A build-up of dirt in the cabinets can also compromise the integrity of the swab samples. But there was no schedule at appropriate intervals to fully clean all interior surfaces of the cabinets. Fumigation of the cabinets to inactivate any contaminants before servicing – which is supposed to happen regularly – only happened annually at this lab. The UK Biocentre, which operated the lab, felt it was acceptable to clean an unfumigated cabinet by sticking half your body into the apparatus in an attempt to clean the interior. Another high risk practice was technicians regularly doubling up to process the biohazardous swab samples, interrupting the protective air flows generated by the cabinets and further increasing the risk to the integrity of the cabinet environment.

The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under positive pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay. But cross-contamination issues started at the beginning of the process before the samples were taken to the PCR lab. The main causes of cross-contamination are the way members of the public use the swab kits; contamination of the insides of the tubes and cap by the operator; and the contamination of the thread of sample tubes with sample medium as shown below. These issues are exacerbated by the poor quality of most sample tubes/caps and suppliers’ mix-and-matching tubes to caps, so some of them don’t fit properly.

A dangerous practice I observed in the lab was the passing of leaky tubes to the liquid handling personnel, unknowingly putting them at risk, as well as contributing to the risk of cross-contamination.

There’s more in this vein, and if you read Dr Harris’s piece, as well as the two letters, the picture that emerges of one of the UK’s largest Covid laboratories is shocking. The UK Government is basing its decisions to impose draconian restrictions on people’s movements, causing catastrophic harm to the economy as well as public health, on testing data that simply cannot be relied upon, thanks to numerous health and safety breaches and the concomitant risk of cross-contamination.

When asked about the myriad ways in which it was contravening health and safety law, the Milton Keynes lab told the BBC that no improvement notice had been issued by the HSE. That’s true, but the lab operator was forced to pay a hefty fee to cover the inspectors’ time, which Dr Harris estimates was between £15,000 and £20,000. UK Biocentre was also told to get its house in order by October 23rd.

This is an important story. Let’s hope other, better-resourced media outfits than Lockdown Sceptics follow it up.

Read it in full here.

Stop Press: The BBC continue to hammer home the failings of Test and Trace with a new exposé “Inside test-and-trace – how the ‘world beater’ went wrong“.

WIKILOCKS SCANDAL: SAGE Used Wikipedia Data For Lockdown Models

Wikipedia: Not a peer-reviewed scientific journal

The documentary “Lockdown 1.0 – Following the Science?” on BBC Two last night exposed that SAGE had admitted to using data from Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, in its modelling. The Mail has the details.

No 10’s scientific advisers relied on dubious data from Wikipedia to help steer Britain through the spring’s coronavirus crisis and wrongly predicted the peak of the first wave by two months, an explosive new documentary has claimed.   

Members of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) admitted early virus modelling was based on unverified figures from the online encyclopedia, which can be edited and managed by members of the public. 

Tory MP Steve Baker, who has refused to support the Prime Minister’s second lockdown, told MailOnline: “Some of those claiming to be ‘following the science’ seem not to understand the meaning of the word. SAGE has been put on a pedestal as if they are able to produce a single version of the truth. It’s not possible.”

Professor Ian Hall, deputy chair of the SAGE subgroup SPI-M, defended the approach, saying: “The public may be surprised that we were using Wikipedia to get data very early on in the pandemic, but that was really the only data that was publicly available that we could access.”

The BBC programme also revealed:

  • Britain’s SAGE group advising the Prime Minister on fighting the pandemic contained no specialist on human coronaviruses
  • Before a national lockdown was imposed in March, scientists also predicted the peak of the virus in the UK would be June – when in fact it was April
  • Scientists failed to consider the impact agency workers would have on spreading Covid in care homes by moving between several different sites to work. There were more than 30,000 excess deaths in care homes because of Covid in 2020

Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, told MailOnline:

The fact they used Wikipedia for their models is just completely unacceptable. You’ve got to use verified data. I cannot imagine a scenario where any scientist should be turning to Wikipedia – the thing about models is it’s extremely important the evidence they’re based on is as robust as it can be. It reflects our lack of preparedness, there were outbreaks happening in Europe that could’ve been used to inform. If they [SAGE] didn’t understand the data or couldn’t access it they should’ve been in touch with public health officials abroad to understand them.

The charge sheet against Chief Medical Officer Prof Chris Whitty, who appoints SAGE, and Chief Scientist Sir Patrick Vallance, is growing by the day. Surely, it’s time Boris showed them the door and got some fresh heads in to bring in some new ideas. That’s one Great Reset we could all get behind.

“Don’t Kill Gran” Guilt-tripping Returns to Spoil Christmas

Newest member of SAGE

The Scrooges of SAGE and Independent SAGE have joined forces to try to destroy Christmas. The Sun has more.

Professor Gabriel Scally told Good Morning Britain: “There is no point in having a very merry Christmas and then burying friends and relations in January and February.”

He said Christmas would be a “dangerous time” and would allow the “virus to spread”.

Prof Scally, who is a member of Independent Sage – a rival group to the Government’s own advisers – added: “We need to think very seriously about Christmas and how we’re going to spend it.

“It’s too dangerous a time and opportunity for the virus to spread.”

He highlighted that people could face 25 days of lockdown in January to make up for the “jollity” over the festive period.

But he said the lockdown would pale into insignificance compared with the number of people who could get Covid and spread it over Christmas.

After appearing on the show he tweeted: “We have not made nine months of sacrifices to throw it all away at Christmas.”

Professor Scally is a former Labour donor who has previously contributed £20,000 to Andy Burnham’s bid to become party leader.

Meanwhile, another expert echoed Prof Scally’s warnings.

SAGE expert, Prof Andrew Hayward from University College London, said mixing at Christmas could “fuel the Covid fire”.

He warned that at the exact moment we are on the “cusp of protecting the elderly”, we risk undoing all the good work by focusing “too much” on Christmas.

Speaking in a personal capacity, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Mixing at Christmas does pose substantial risks, particularly in terms of bringing together generations with high incidence of infection with the older generations who currently have much lower levels of infection and are at most risk of dying if they catch Covid.

“My personal view is we’re putting far too much emphasis on having a near-normal Christmas.

“We know respiratory infections peak in January so throwing fuel on the fire over Christmas can only contribute to this.”

What seems to pass them by is that this guilt-tripping could equally be done any year there’s a bad flu going round, as this winter is little different to many others in terms of ICU occupancy and winter mortality. Yet somehow we’ve always managed to celebrate Christmas.

Europe’s “Second Wave” in Decline

Source: Spanish Ministry of Health

Positive “cases” are now in decline in France and have flatlined in Germany.

“It is a fact that the measures are working,” claimed Lothar Wieler, head of the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases (RKI), referring to Germany’s partial lockdown, in place since November 2nd. According to Reuters: “Bars and restaurants are closed, while schools and shops remain open. Private gatherings are limited to a maximum of 10 people from two households. After an exponential increase in the number of infections over the past weeks, Wieler said a plateau had now been reached. ‘We do not see the number of cases falling yet, but I am optimistic that they will.'”

Positive “cases” and, more importantly, hospital occupancy is also falling in Spain, as the above graphs show. It’s not so long ago, on September 28th, that Madrid was being reported as the “capital of Europe’s second wave”. But the international media quickly lost interest when the deluge never came. In fact, as the above graph shows, by September 28th hospital occupancy in the city had already begun to decline.

Lockdown zealots will claim the declines are due to the interventions. Some of them might be, but that doesn’t mean the interventions were necessary to achieve them. In fact, infections by date of symptom onset in Madrid had already peaked around September 1st, well ahead of the first set of restrictions on September 7th when restaurants, churches, sports centres, theme parks, guided tours, etc. had limits placed on them. Similarly, hospital occupancy had already been in decline for well over a week when the stricter lockdown came in on October 3rd, and schools and universities were not closed even then.

The myth that infections only peak and fall once restrictions are imposed needs to be busted. Time and time again the data tell a different story, but it seems many people don’t want to know. Until they accept this evidence, we are doomed to live in on-off lockdowns, unable to leave them lest the threatened great catastrophe finally arrive.

PHE Finally Recognises T-Cell Immunity

Is PHE at last catching up? In a collaboration between Public Health England and several UK testing bodies, the results of the Edsab-Home trial have confirmed that many people have pre-existing immunity to coronavirus. The Telegraph has more.

A quarter of people may already be immune to coronavirus even though many of them have never been infected, a new study by Public Health England (PHE) suggests.

Over the past few months, researchers have followed nearly 2,850 key workers from the police, fire and health services to gauge levels of immunity to the virus.

They discovered that, by June, one in four had high levels of T-cells which recognised Covid, suggesting they had some level of protection against the virus – but nearly half had never been infected.

Researchers believe they probably picked up immunity from similar coronaviruses such as those that cause the common cold. In the four months of follow-up, nobody with a high T-cell count became infected with Covid, suggesting they were protected against it.

Dr Peter Wrighton-Smith, the CEO of Oxford Immunotec, the company that developed the T-cell test for trial, said it showed antibody testing alone may underestimate the number of people already immune to the virus.

There are now a number of studies that confirm this.

At least six studies have now reported T-cell activity against coronavirus in 20 to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus.

In blood donor samples taken in the US between 2015 and 2018, around half showed some kind of immune resistance to Covid, even though they were taken years before the virus emerged. Likewise, in the Netherlands coronavirus-fighting T-cells were found in two of 10 people who had not been exposed to the virus. 

During the Swine Flu outbreak, scientists also discovered that people had prior immunity to the H1N1 strain, probably through earlier exposure to flu.

Read the full Telegraph report here.

The Government document, “Evaluating detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies“, can be found here.

New Lockdown-Sceptic Student Campaign Launched

A new student-led group has been started out of Oxford to raise awareness of why lockdowns are such a terrible idea. From their manifesto:

We are Unlock, a student-led campaign that aims to highlight the irrationality and inherent unfairness of lockdown policies. 

Unlock believes that lockdowns are highly damaging, based on overzealous science, and contrary to the very foundations of our traditional British liberty. Our mission is to raise awareness about the unforeseen, true costs of lockdown – the shocking excess deaths, the mental health struggles, and the decades worth of damage to our small businesses. This campaign seeks to give a real voice to people who can testify to the impact of lockdown on their lives.

Our duty as citizens is to support the communities around us. Our aim is to increase public awareness of lockdown’s limitations, ultimately to push the government to rethink the cost of their actions.

The campaign has five goals:

  1. Unlock business. We want to unlock the voices of small business owners who have borne the financial cost of lockdown.
  2. Unlock healthcare. We want to unlock the voices of patients who have missed appointments, treatments and screenings, and what this means for them. 
  3. Unlock education. We want to unlock the voices of students who have had a demoralising university experience like none other.
  4. Unlock sport. We want to unlock the voices of gym-goers, sports teams, and individuals who have been stopped from keeping fit and healthy. 
  5. Unlock life. We want to unlock the voices of people who want to regain their liberty and community, and are frustrated because they aren’t being listened to. 

Read the full manifesto here and, if you’re a student, why not get involved?

Visit the group’s website here, follow them on Twitter here and on Facebook here.

Stop Press: On the unlocking theme, Dr Mike Yeadon has done a new interview with Unlocked on “Why Lockdown was a mistake” that is well worth a watch.

Update: YouTube has already deleted the video for “violating YouTube’s terms of service”. Find it on BitChute here.

Round-Up

  • “Students to be told in advance which topics will appear on 2021 exams, under Ofqual plans” – Telegraph report on how exams might be saved, though it sounds a bit like cheating…
  • “MP rebellion could be ‘enormous’ if lockdown doesn’t end in December, says Steve Baker” – But with Labour a lockdown party, what difference will it make? Apart from to completely humiliate Boris and make it unlikely he’d survive a leadership challenge? In the Telegraph
  • “Travel to Edinburgh Airport for holidays is not allowed under new rules, minister confirms” – EdinburghLive report on the strict new rules in Scotland that, conveniently enough, also involve closing the border with England
  • “Let’s Open Up Debate about Lockdowns” – Matthew Ratcliffe and Ian James Kidd’s latest in the Critic
  • “Nurse, 45, is suspended for spreading Covid conspiracy theories including that face masks help spread the virus and likening vaccines to ‘genocide’ – as NHS ‘anti-vaxxer’ Facebook group doubles in size overnight” – Mail report on the Blob’s clamping down on dissent
  • “Are Indians more immune to COVID-19?” – BBC continues catching up with cross-immunity
  • “Operation Moonshot: We’re suing” – The Good Law Project announces they’re taking the Government to court over “the way in which they chose some rather odd counterparties” and “their failure to consult their own expert body, the National Screen Committee”. Go for it, Jolyon – bash that fox…
  • “How irrational fear of Covid was stoked by ministers and media” – Kathy Gyngell in Conservative Woman on the state propaganda that has driven the hysteria
  • “Cost of Lockdowns: A Preliminary Report” – Excellent rundown of lockdown collateral damage from AIER
  • “Irish Scientists and Doctors Inveigh Against Lockdowns” – Amelia Janaskie on the AIER blog on an impressive new report from a team of Irish medical and public health professionals called “COVID-19 Alternative Strategy: A Case for Health and Socioeconomic Wellbeing”
  • “Why won’t Public Health England explain the science behind its Christmas lockdown threat?” – The latest dose of calm sanity from Ross Clark in the Telegraph
  • “We need a Hippocratic oath for public health officials” – Thorough analysis of the (in)effectiveness of lockdowns from Emily Burns at the Pragmatist
  • “Royal Society of Medicine In Conversation Live with Lord Jonathan Sumption” – Watch the latest from the arch-sceptic legal eagle
  • “Peacocks and Jaeger collapse, with 4,700 jobs and 500 stores at risk” – More high street names bite the dust
  • “Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect” – CEBM’s Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson in the Spectator explain the important results
  • “A Failure of Spiritual Leadership” – The latest in the Christian Institute’s autumn lectures delivered by Dr Richard Turnbull, which this year have a strong lockdown sceptic flavour
  • “There will be no Boris reset until he breaks the endless lockdown cycle” – Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph backpedals on his claim last week that Sweden’s strategy has undergone a drastic shift (though let’s be honest, they are clamping down), and argues Swedish-style ideas are gaining traction in Downing Street. We’ll believe it when we see it
  • “We must take into account the full costs of future Covid restrictions and enter a new phase of recovery” – Adam Afriyie MP’s excellent speech in the Commons Covid debate on Wednesday

We must take into account the full costs of future COVID restrictions and enter a new phase of recovery.

My full speech from the COVID debate yesterday through the link below 👇🏾https://t.co/s1TrDmDBku pic.twitter.com/k7FHLh1g4r

— Adam Afriyie (@AdamAfriyie) November 19, 2020

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Two today: “Masquerade” by Andrew Lloyd Webber and “Take that look off your face” by Marti Webb.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the turn of the University of Liverpool, where a Lockdown Sceptics reader’s son who works in the Chemistry Department has just been sent a document for “tackling race equality” entitled “Black Lives Matter – a starting point for addressing racial inequity in your department”.

Twelve pages long, its appetising headings include: “Race, Racism, intersectionality and White Privilege”, “Are Black voices heard and boosted?”, “Decolonising the curriculum”, “Educate yourself”, and the ludicrously patronising “Support for your Black staff and students”.

The reading list includes the classics: Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni-Eddo Lodge, How to Argue with a Racist by Adam Rutherford, White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, and Biased – Uncovering the Hidden Prejudices that Shape Our Lives by Jennifer L. Eberhardt.

Here it is on systemic racism:

An important part of understanding systemic racism are the concepts of White Privilege and White Supremacy.

White Supremacy can refer to a social system in which White people experience structural advantages over other ethnic groups, on both a collective and individual level, despite formal legal equality.  Academic, Frances Lee Ansley, describes White Supremacy as “a political, economic and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power and material resources, conscious and unconscious ideas of white superiority and entitlement are widespread, and relations of white dominance and non-white subordination are daily re-enacted across a broad array of institutions and social settings.”

White Privilege is the privilege experienced by White people when they benefit from unearned advantages, experience an absence of suspicion or negative responses to their presence or actions and have their experiences and culture centred as ‘normal’.

Which is all just lovely, except the claim that British society systematically advantages “white” people is a myth not borne out by the facts. “White” children (and especially boys) do not do best at school, “white” people are not the best paid racial group, and “white” people are the least likely to go to university. So the entire empirical premise is false. But facts don’t seem to come into it.

Of course, there is also the small matter that encouraging people to identify themselves and others primarily by their race and categorise one race as supremacist oppressors and another as a oppressed victims is deeply divisive and harmful to people’s self-understanding. But that, too, features nowhere in the nihilistic woke-fest that is Critical Race Theory.

The reader asks for suggestions as to how his son might resist this nonsense. The Free Speech Union has some suggestions here and here which may be helpful. He should also join in case his woke colleagues turn on him for failing to toe the line.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now approaching 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern and over 100 church leaders are JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

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Bob’s cartoon in today’s Telegraph
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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

I really should go to bed, it is 03:30

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Dear dobuting

Prof Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson
Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-
There was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

I posted this on Facebook and got a Fact check thing that said that the ‘test was inconclusive as the test was underpowered’. The absolute fuckers.

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mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

what the f does underpowered mean?

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djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

It means that the study was two small to declare that the effect seen could have been by chance (about 1/3 times). Normally significance is declared if the chance was 1/20 or less. There is no magic in 1/20, it is a convention.

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Moomin
Moomin
5 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

This just happened to me!

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Evelyn
Evelyn
5 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

Me too.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

I posted this on Facebook and it was banned by their ‘fact checkers’. An article by an Oxford professor, for God’s sake!!

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Dear dobule doubting

The great lockdown hypocrites

California’s hardline governor has not been practising what he preaches. Maybe politicians should stop preaching
BY DOUGLAS MURRAY
https://unherd.com/2020/11/the-great-lockdown-hypocrites/

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/frankzappa/hungryfreaksdaddy.html
Lyrics of Frank Zappa on LBJ’s ‘Great Society’.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

We’re Only In It For The Money, sums up this period brilliantly, what would FZ made of America today?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  David Grimbleby

Here is an amusing interview with FZ in 1976:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTL8l_CO5Ac

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andrew webb
andrew webb
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Will the government allow you to do that?

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

co-editor of Conservative Woman interviewed by Delingpole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cABqG-BO9k8

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

Just put this on Thursdays page, thought it was worth posting here:

This is the best interview I have seen or heard from Dr. Mike Yeadon.

I have sent it to some people who I believe are borderline sceptics & I think this video is done in a way which may help them to understand.

Maybe it will you you persuade people.

Dr Mike Yeadon

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Thanks DD, my only knowledge of epidemics is of historical plagues and being educated here at LS but, being out and about as a key worker from day one, I agree with Mike that it was obvious that the worst was over in late May and that worst was nowhere near as bad as we were still being told.
They were lying from the out and have lied throughout.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I remember clearly stating to a work colleague in April, who was asking what would happen to xmas parties (we work in catering), oh , it will be over in may!!
I never expected to be still in this s…. show.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Still in it until at least late next year even with a vaccine according to the Expert on Jeremy Vines show yesterday.

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PAM
PAM
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

It appears the video has been removed.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  PAM

It has, for violating the terms of service, i.e. telling the truth.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  PAM

They are really going for Mike Yeadon, his interview for Manchesters students has also been removed.

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Suzyv
Suzyv
5 years ago
Reply to  PAM

It has. If you go to his twitter there is something on there (still) that is).

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  PAM

We really should start use bitchute and brandnewtube more try and avoid the censors

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kpaulsmith1463
kpaulsmith1463
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

Unfortunately, despite Styxhexenhammer’s best efforts, bitchute is still a David to YouTube’s Goliath, and Brandnewtube is even more marginal.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

“has been removed”

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

It has been removed for violating You Tubes system of truth detection

They need to be sued. This is outrageous. How dare they tell us what we are allowed to see.

If this isn’t 1984 I dont know what is.

Last edited 5 years ago by CGL
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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Have just seen it on FB from the Unlocked people. So it is around on various outlets just need to search.

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Also on bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/
This link is above the line.

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robert hales
robert hales
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric the dragon

Great video – Well found Cedric. Hard hitting finish.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric the dragon

Thank you!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Unfortunately nearly all of the infrastructure to analyse in real time and censor across all social media platforms has been built and paid for using “stopping terrorism” as a driver. Also the whole censorial behemoth has been sold to the public as a way of stopping paedophilia, the sharing of child-porn, and wanting to keep children and others safe online from online harms.

So with the full support of almost all the brainwashed masses we have
Global Ai driven “lockstep” censorship across all media platforms.

Stay safe.

Last edited 5 years ago by Two-Six
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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Your point is correct in what it says but incomplete. In fact it’s suppression of “hate speech” as a whole – including all the political correctness speech- and thought-crimes, that has been the justification for establishing and operating these kinds of control mechanisms, which were easily turned to policing coronapanic dissent.

Thus demonstrating the fundamental truth that the lefty pc hypocrites all claimed to believe at one time or another but demonstrably either did not understand or chose to ignore when it proved inconvenient for them – that free speech is for everyone, or in the end it is for nobody but the powerful.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Stop calling YouTube Youtube. Google bought them out. Therefore it should now be called GoogleTube.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Touchy! 🙂

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Is this the one: https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/ ?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Yes it is, well done.

Flag it up to Toby please.
Link in Shameful Begging paragraph.

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Frank
Frank
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

youtube removed the video, so must have been excellent

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Removed for violating terms of service. What a brave new world we live in.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Should have finished it last night when it was still up on YouTube!

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Bill h
Bill h
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

So.

The video on bitchute is about half an hour long, and features Mike Y in a garage in front of a part disassembled motor bike.

Is this the same video ?

It is absolutely excellent BTW.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill h

Yes, I saw it 04.30 this morning on YouTube

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill h

Aparently Mike Yeadon likes those old two-stroke Japanese tripples. The Kasasaki GT 550 I think he said is his favourite motorbike.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7cWqKUoNJ8
KAWASAKI let the good times roll …

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Advance Britannia
Advance Britannia
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Removed by UselessTube but available here – https://lbry.tv/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0 – Excellent video.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Advance Britannia

Could some forward that yo the student Unlock site

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

That’s why they have banned it .

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Masqueless
Masqueless
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Yes, excellent. I would love to see a debate between Mike Yeadon and one of the Sage “specialists” to help get to the truth. Isn’t that what happens in free societies? Oh, I forgot!

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Masqueless

Yes, you’ve hit it right on the nail. This hasn’t been a free society for years, and covid19 has only made it worse. It’s not just mental censorship we’re under – it’s physical, mental social and economic censorship. For example, I’m a grandmother. How DARE any one bit politician or so-called “expert” dare to tell me that if I kiss my grandchildren in December I’ll die in January. I can manage my own life, thanks, and better than them. At least I still have some humanity

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Video now removed by no view Youtube.

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

When I clicked on the link in a Twatter post I got the following warning: Linky

(I tried posting a screen capture, but this site wouldn’t accept it)

Suffice to say, there was nothing “Unsafe” about it – the Bitchute link works fine. And for what it’s worth, if you want to download (and keep) the video, try using the following – it is the actual video source:

https://seed163.bitchute.com/DLkykZZDVNZp/J0JWur5LNePt.mp4

Once the miniplayer loads in your browser page you can right click and select “Save Video As”

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Screenshot

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

This is another excellent interview with Mike Yeadon. I assume it is the one on bitchute linked to above the line for the new student “Unlocked” organisation. He has really helped me fill in the gaps in my biology knowledge.
DD’s link doesn’t work now, YT have removed it but it is here https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

Last edited 5 years ago by Cedric the dragon
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Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Where can we see the Dr Mike Yeadon video – YouTube has, of course, removed it!!

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Paul M
Paul M
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Been taken down by youtube and others in the same censorious group. But it is here on bitchute. Well worth a watch.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

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Wilf79
Wilf79
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

video has been removed by Youtube – surprise surprise

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Why am I not surprised so see that Dr Yeadon clearly possesses the skills and patience to maintain a bike? That sort of character goes hand in hand with the quietly noble demeanour, and calm, clear delivery even though he must know he’s putting pearls before swine.

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Old Mum
Old Mum
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Been removed!

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

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Last edited 5 years ago by Cristi.Neagu
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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Does that make us the 300 ?

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Aidan
Aidan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think that makes us the Persians being deleted en masse :-O

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Go tell the zombies, ye who pass us by,
That as the BBC, we always lie.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I hope so!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Agents for global change=unelected simian overlords.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The 600 more like “Charge for the guns!” he said …’

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

This, too, is Madness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOJSM46nWwo&list=RDSOJSM46nWwo&start_radio=1

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

The Madness are pretty good. Absolute legends.

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richmond
richmond
5 years ago

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richmond
richmond
5 years ago

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

If it were as good as claimed, they would hardly need to ban any discussion and smear anyone who asked questions.

And they certainly would not need to grant indemnity to the drug companies.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I just watched the Yeadon video I want to hear him on the vaccination next.

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

If you listen to Dr Bhakdi on the Trigonometry film, he talks a lot about the vaccine in later stages of the interview. (wrote Corona: False Alarm?)

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

So you’re back, but still too lazy and inconsiderate to pick yourself an ID that isn’t already in use I see. Unless you are a new “new Mark”, in which case, mistaken identity.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

Great poster

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

And our freedoms to live will be tied to regular updates of these vaccines. Microsoft updates or patches for humans – for life, guaranteed to keep pharma rich

Proof of updates will be required to travel, work, and to simply be allowed to live via immunity passports. Tech companies will make a killing from human surveillance

We are to be branded by the plantation owner

Last edited 5 years ago by Jamie
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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Security patches from Microsoft? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

“Microsoft” ring me most weeks and I usually tell them to fuck off.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Further to Toby’s Health & Safety breaches at Lighthouse Lab.

During the latter decades of the Soviet Union citizens and the media were permitted to criticize specific policies, programmes and individuals, especially if they had spectacularly failed.
This had the purpose of distracting the population from the failings of the regime itself which was still beyond criticism.

The failures of those policies could be blamed on those criticised individuals who would be sacked, imprisoned or executed.

Is it possible that the failures exposed by Despatches and the previous scandal of PPE procurement serve the same purpose? Not that anything has been closed down or people sacked or imprisoned.

The CCP still do the same thing today but by rolling up webs of ‘corruption’ and executing the ringleaders to the delight of the citizenry.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And if a superlab can cock things on this scale, what price the ability of ordinary medical practices to handle the Pfizer vaccine?

Last edited 5 years ago by Annie
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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

It’ll be ok, squaddies get field First Aid training these days.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The can all deal with a sucking chest wound and do an emergency tracheotomy using a biro.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The organisation is run by WanCock. I would trust him to deliver a pizza.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Is there a way to find out who the shareholders are?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Companies House ?

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Having been a child in the Soviet Union I can confirm this, criticism of specific incompetents acting as a safety valve when the lies cannot be sustained and the use of approved court jesters to tell some truths that cannot be hidden.

however as the communists found out eventually the public get wise to this and revolt

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Let’s hope we don’t have to wait decades for the revolt to come this time!

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Classic distraction by means of scapegoating acceptable targets: economical with the truth.

Tried and tested here.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It distracts attention from the bigger crime: the wholesale suppression of civil liberties based on lies and misinformation.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’ll give you five- Johnson, Hancock, Vallance, Whitty and Ferguson

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Anne Passman

The Gang of Five. One better than China’s Gang of Four.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

CCP mostly eliminating the competition after yet another power struggle amongst the kleptocracy.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From Toby’s ‘guilt tripping returns to spoil Christmas’
In a similar vein to GMB and R4 Today, I posted yesterday about Jeremy Vine hosting bad Doctor Sarah Jarvis who used more inflammatory language to make the same point.

‘Family gatherings for Xmas lunch will cause Covid Carnage’

The cost will not be more lockdown, it will be Death.
‘If Aunt Betty and grandma come over you might be saying goodbye to them in February’.

Her colleague Dr. Colin something spoke of ‘Disease Churn’.

Both agreed that for each day of merriment we must expect 5 additional days confinement (as per Toby’s report).

Clearly a centrally planned media circus, expect more of the same in todays newspapers.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Talk about Scrooge on steroids!
But we can borrow one of his favourite phrases: ‘Bah! Humbug!”

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’ve always liked Scrooge because he wasn’t a hypocrite.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Me too. He’s had a bad press. He couldn’t have become such a free-spending benefactor if he hadn’t made that money in the first place. Tiny Tim would have died if it weren’t for Scrooge’s initial thriftiness..

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My MP is part of the Covid Recovery group. This is part of a message I sent to him yesterday:

“One particular quick win that your group may be able to influence is the suggestion of there being a very brief Christmas ceasefire and that itself being followed by a further lockdown. I suggest that such draconian measures will be the final straw for many people who have so far been supportive of the government or at least have been prepared, however reluctantly, to follow the guidelines”

If the group do make a stand on this it will only make a difference if the group has substantial numbers AND if some opposition MPs come out against the lockdown approach.
I am not aware of any opposition MPs breaking ranks to date. There must be many who harbour concerns. How can they be persuaded to out themselves?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

What about New Year’s Eve?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

There have been similar comments on Twitter, someone said is saving Christmas Dinner worth sacrificing Granny & Grandad to which I replied This Grandad says yes it most certainly is, I’m happy to take my chances, – to which I got 15 likes and no adverse comments.
Others made the obvious point that most elderly people can still think for themselves and if they wish to avoid any chance of infection they can isolate themselves.
But this also brings out this weird approach to death we have these days, surely elderly relatives dying in January & February is what they have always done? On the West Country news they announce the terrifying new that one person has died here or two people have died there as if dying was as newsworthy as being abducted by aliens.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The entirely natural deaths of the very old ,frail and sick have been weaponised to keep us all in line.

This is classic mass manipulation, predicated upon an unreasonable and frankly silly refusal to acknowledge that death will come to us all, sooner or later.

Our society needs to rid itself of the unhealthy consumerist attitude to health, life span expectations and appropriate treatment.

I’m retired, I have no wish to be marked down as vulnerable, I have a Living Will and a DNR card.

What could be worse than being kept alive in a home, demented, incontinent, dependent and lacking any sense of self?

The media need to stop with the hyperbole.

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Lyndsay
Lyndsay
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Wendyk Yes, but neither should death come sooner due to government policy to seed care homes by deliberately filling with elderly ‘bedblockers’ and failing to protect the vulnerable early on when they should have done. Also having dementia is not one thing as you seem to think. People with dementia can still live worthwhile and enjoyable lives in many ways; certainly my mum, who had years to go, would not have wanted to have a DNAR forced upon her as she arrived in hospital only to pass away unnoticed and alone in a hospital bed.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Lyndsay

I would also strongly resist being defined as vulnerable and have become fearful of being my life being prolonged with flu vaccines and other medical treatments if I’m unlucky another to develop Alzheimer’s or any other kind of condition where I’m completely dependant on others.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I always tell the story of the death spike in January 2000. The spirit is willing…

Last edited 5 years ago by Will
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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

There is a theory that some elderly pull themselves together for christmas, and then die in January and February.
What the f.. is so special about christmas? It is just an excuse to spend money people do not have and eat too much.
Nothing to do with “family”, definitely not the original purpose. Remember we are supposed to celebrate Jesus’ birthday?

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

To be honest, for quite a lot of people it means steeling yourself to spend dreary hours or days in the company of relatives that you can’t stand.
But it is still not the bloody government’s job to decide who you do or do not have to put up with.

Last edited 5 years ago by Annie
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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And if it’s their last for some other reason anyway it should still be stolen from them? What about someone who is now unknowingly going to die of some as yet undiagnosed terminal condition – this could be any one of us’s last xmas – who knows. These people need locking away. I wonder how far up the money tree Ms Jarvis is? What a witch.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m sick to the back teeth of the meme that the entire world has to stop so that somebody who is going to die soon anyway can spend a few more years living in abject loneliness.

Perhaps I should create a poster with the tagline: “Goodbye granny, you’ve had your life. I want mine.”

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Please do Mabel

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This is nothing but emotional blackmail and the likes of that Jarvis woman and that scientist mentioned above should hang their heads in shame. Of course they don’t care as they have a guaranteed income and in the case of that scientist wealthy (who knew that he can afford to splash £20K to give to the Labour party) enough to absorb any financial aftershocks. The rest of us aren’t so fortunate. My father-in-law turned 80 this year. He lives in the Democratic People’s Republic of Scotland and is very, very fed up with the whole thing. He’s unable to go to concerts, can’t do his research (the National Library of Scotland has been closed throughout), unable to go to London & France for holidays & research trips and can’t even do day trips as the public transport where he lives is abysmal. If these clowns think that they’re saving the likes of my father-in-law then they’re sorely mistaken. If they asked him, he would have told them that he would rather live his life and let the chips come what may. And going back to that Jarvis woman, she and that other daytime TV doctor whose name I can’t remember… Read more »

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Doctor Killory Jones. The Orange Doctor.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

That’s the one.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Agent Orange.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The Today Programme mentioned that 1 day of freedom must result in 5 days lockdown came from SAGE but the Expert could not say how they had arrived at it.

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claire
claire
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Does it work the opposite way? Christmas day alone = five days of freedom?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Neurotic hypochondriacs on steroids.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Studen Unlock campaign. Mike Yeadons interview for them has already been deleted for breaching terms of service.
Means someone is paying them attention, GCHQ ?

I’m impressed with the 5 aims of their campaign, only one of which concerns themselves directly.

Students are generally a self serving lot, the last time they did anything noisy was when the Coalition supposedly raised their tuition fees and before that it was the ‘Revolting Students’ of the 1970s.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I was a student in the 1970s and boy! were we revolting.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

And we made a lot of fuss at Surrey when the poll tax was imposed.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I cannot access their page. Can anyone confirm if the interview is up on a pro free speech platform such as BitChute?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I don’t know but I’ve sent an email to LS to let them know about Mike’s videos

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wat tyler
wat tyler
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It’s Mike Yeadon they want to silence .The powers that be don’t like the news about the P C R tests not working getting into the mainstream .

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  wat tyler

Care home manager I was talking to about vaccines was already well aware that PCR tests are more or less useless.

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Kevin_Sceptic
Kevin_Sceptic
5 years ago

ew interview with Unlocked on “Why Lockdown was a mistake” that is well worth a watch.

They didn’t lose any time taking that off YouTube. Maybe getting a bit near the truth?

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago

Lockdown 1 – programme on BBC2 last night

Although Toby has highlighted the use ofWikipedia in his editorial I came away from the programme feeling very uncomfortable about its message.

Although it was critical of the science used in Lockdown 1, those interviewed seemed to all be saying that the lockdown should have started earlier i.e. giving the subliminal message that the overall approach to lockdowns should be tougher.

There was no consideration given to whether Lockdown 1 had provided any net benefit.

Whatever the merits and demerits of Lockdown 1, we are now in a very different position and what may or may not have been appropriate then may not be appropriate now.

What was with the eerie music throughout the entire programme?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Susan Michie showed herself up

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The lag between infection and death is now reasoned to be 28 days. The peak of deaths in the spring was the 9th April so the peak of infections was the 12th March. On the 12th March 2 deaths were reported, both of people in their late eighties. A lockdown on the 12th March would have made no difference and would have been completely unenforceable, but, to have radically altered the course of the virus (temporarily)the lockdown would have had to come even earlier which would have been even more untenable.

It is becoming clearer by the day that the “second” wave (actually the remnants of the original wave) has been more pronounced in countries that locked down earlier and harder, whilst the UK is seeing a much smaller curve because it locked down later. If it had lifted restrictions after three weeks, in April, we would have seen even less of an autumnal bump, imho, and probably fewer deaths with covid as immune systems would have been more robust to handle an encounter with the virus in the spring sunshine, especially if we weren’t locked up in our houses!?!?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Just trying to remain critically reflective here… Could a lockdown have a concertina effect on the date between peak infection and peak death numbers?

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Possibly, if it is respected and enforced. The suggestion that the country would have consented to a lockdown efficient enough to compromise the course of a virus, of which there was evidence of 1300 separate genomes (iirc), when the cumulative death toll was ten is beyond fanciful, imho.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

How would that work? If the peak number of infections has already passed when lockdown is introduced, then the most the lockdown can do is increase the rate at which the dropoff occurs from the peak that is already baked in however many days later, surely? Unless other mechanisms intervene to change the mean time to death, obviously.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

IDK, just testing our own theories out. Maybe in the first few days of LD some people stay at home/care home and die rather than seeking treatment

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Fair enough. Good general policy.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Mark Windows suggested ridicule as one of the best ways to criticize this BS. Satire can also be very effective. Don’t attempt to reason with these people, lay them to waste!

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Important to challenge each other to strengthen our arguments.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Your last point about the spring sunshine is very pertinent, I remember scenes of policemen remonstrating with people sunbathing in the parks when in fact that it was everybody should have been doing. All that sunny weather in April May was nature’s cure for covid and perversely we were told to stay at home. Having a virus lockdown in all that hot sunny weather was crazy.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Particularly for the poor stuck in blocks of flats with kiddie play park outside bolted shut.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I think sunshine, stress, vit D will prove to have played a part in the large second waves of countries that had large first waves and strict lockdowns

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

No ”second waves” but a lot to do with ”dry tinder”. Mike Yeadon pointed out (in his excellent video) that many countries with a lower number of deaths had had a light flu season previously.

Last edited 5 years ago by Banjones
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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

And all the studies now on immunity, pre existing and infection acquired, supports everything that. 55m known ‘cases’, no reinfections that aren’t just noise.

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

The ‘second wave’ is nonsense. There is a normal autumn rise (if varying between countries) of respiratory tract infections. Some of these may be a result of SARS-CoV-2, which, if it behaves like any other virus, is now part of the background of infectious agents.

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djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

The lag between infection and death is now reasoned to be 28 days.

Reasoned by whom?

There is a consistent lag of five seven days between hospital admissions and deaths. I find it hard to believe that people are admitted to hospital three weeks after infection. One week, ten days, bur certainly not three weeks.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

Anyone figured it out yet? Look at Thursday’s posts and look at todays.

This has always been about greater control of the population.

This is the start of the takeover. Shock and awe with lockdowns, enough of them and people will accept anything. Communism is coming and all the effects of it.

They will go after meat production/consumption soon, cars are already getting it, next will be greater censorship and logging of all of your activities off and online.

Think it cannot happen, please think again and act as though it could.

First they will come for so called “anti-vaxxers” and little furore will happen. Then they close in another group and no one helps, then they come for you…and no one is left to help.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Yep, next will be to take the internet down under the guise of a cyber security attack whereby it will be purged of every site not following or questioning the narrative. As well as certain people ‘disappearing’.

This cannot be allowed to happen, the brainwashed need to wake up as their and their children’s lives will be ruined.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Insurectionists always went for the radio stations and later the TV studios.
Where do we go to liberate our internet?

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

You don’t. (EVIL LAUGH!)

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

Brilliant name 😉

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

WEF already talking up that threat.Despite the internet facilitating this takeover it is the only place where you can find content that is questioning the official narrative.They are watching and learning.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Oh yes, ice age farmer done a good bit about future plans also nicely reported by Max igan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/IceAgeFarmer

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Already going for meat production with avian flu outbreaks and now more covid outbreaks in meat factories.

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TyRade
TyRade
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I am reading Robert Conquest’s ‘The Great Terror’, tracing the purges and show trials and mass executions of Jolly Joe Stalin, as he dealt with ‘dissidence’ in his own cuddly way. Peasants are there to be collectivised, always and easily, sadly. But the elites can often be left to turn on themselves, or not know which is the right knee to take on any given day so end up the wrong side of policy whims. There’s some hope in the latter, in today’s COVID collectivisation. But Stalin’s trick – keep raising the bar on terror, much as Boris sets out the central planning to force us down the road to Green Hell, making us almost nostalgic for COVID gulags – can be repeated almost ad infinitum. Happy Friday, then.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  TyRade

Great book and would highly recommend it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  TyRade

Stalin’s last purge was against his own doctors which is why he died alone on the floor in a pool of his own piss.
bozo take note

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Why “Communism”? That is a paraphrase of a famous statement by Pastor Niemoeller, who was persecuted by the Nazis.

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Oh – the use of ‘Communism’ here is just inaccurate knee-jerkery – a sort of ideological comfort-blanket – not serious political analysis.

I think it comes from a reluctance to recognise that the current authoritarianism has been born from the great Moving Right show of free marketry, whilst Stalinism came from the opposite direction.

The results may have things in common, but the genesis is not the same.

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

“ Communism is coming”

No. The apotheosis of unregulated global capital, and the next stage of upward wealth transfer is HERE.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

At the moment it costs nearly twice as much to manufacture an electric car as opposed to a gas-powered one. What the hell are they thinking? The plan to ban all gas/diesel powered vehicles by 2030 is pie in the sky thinking. Unachievable. Deride and laugh mercilessly at their stupidity every chance you get.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I don’t remember it being in their manifesto back in December, that they were going to ruin the country with this ”green” madness. If it had been, I definitely wouldn’t have voted for them, even with the promise of Brexit being dangled like a carrot.
So can we expect a debate about it?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the roundup
‘Nurse suspended for spreading conspiracy theories’.
Streisand Effect on steroids with the Mail commenters

Own goal for the censors.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This very brave woman works-or did work-at my local hospital.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

She was on Richie Allen last night, a really lovely caring woman who has had enough of the lies. She is actually off sick with stress and hasn’t been suspended

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Will
Will
5 years ago

Interesting that Will has highlighted cases falling in Europe. I asked yesterday, has anyone seen a graph that compares the remnants of the virus wave in different European countries? It was on the BBC a couple of weeks ago, for about twenty minutes, before the Reich ministry of propaganda and public enlightenment had it taken down.

Last edited 5 years ago by Will
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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Worldometers has individual graphs for each European countries. The ECDC has a combined graph here once you scroll down
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/public-justice-offences-incorporating-charging-standard

Knowing nothing about legal matters and having just read Dr Harris’s account, I’m wondering whether the charge of conspiracy to pervert etc would be applicable.

Our liberties have been removed steadily ,seemingly on an ad hoc basis, while politicians and their advisors claim to be following ‘the science’, much of which now seems to have originated in wikipedia, the latter known to be not entirely impartial.

Private biolabs claim that the withholding of material vital to the public interest is covered by commercial confidentiality agreements.

I hope that Dr Harris will be allowed to give evidence to the Commons Committee on Health, and that this will be filmed in open session.

Meanwhile, I’ll send his article to Sir Desmond Swayne.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago

The Times is up to its old scaremongering tricks again with that article about South Africa. The true figure for CV-19 deaths (previously healthy people who fell ill and died) is much more likely to be around 2,000 than 20,000.

Why do I say this? Because just like in the UK, the health authorities were very lax about diagnoses, with large numbers of people who had died of other ailments being chalked up to CV-19. I personally know of cases where families were angered to see CV-19 on the death certificate when a poor relative had actually died of cancer.

Additionally, local health authorities reported that amazingly there was no 2020 winter flu season in South Africa, despite unusually cold weather. Really? Does any sane person really believe this? You do not have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what happened to the flu cases this year – yes, all rebranded as CV-19.

So please take the Times with a large pinch of salt. Or better still don’t read it at all – at least if you want to see news rather than Covid Cult propaganda.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

They are seeding the system for next winter’s lockdown.

‘There were few flu deaths in 2020 – there is a massive increase in flu deaths in 2021, we must lockdown to save granny from the flu.’

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

I’ve just watched UK Column video on Youtube (as suggested by a commenter here) and there’s an interesting graph at the very end showing how (according to WHO’s figures) flu has almost completely disappeared throughout the world. It seems to have morphed into covid.
Amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGizkol1njo&feature=youtu.be&t=1748

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Again, rather frustratingly, an intelligent and informed post that I really can’t find anything to nitpick with. A little presumptive on the suppose explanation regarding flu, but it’s one of the possible explanations. You clearly are intelligent and informed. So how is it that you are seemingly incapable of creating a recognisable identity for yourself here? It ain’t rocket science after all – most of the commenters here have managed to do so, including several other Marks. (Again, if you aren’t the Mark who appeared here a couple of months ago and has been posting occasionally since then, mistaken identity. Just take it as me pointing out that the software here does not restrict public IDs to those not already in use.)

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I believe that, once you have chosen a username on LS, you are not allowed to change it. Does anyone know better? I would llike to revert to my real name but I’m stuck with this humorous Wodehouse character because I chose it in a time when there was still something to smile about.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

I was advised that you can just type in a new one at any time. I think it might change all your past posts as well, if you are logged in, though I’m not sure about that.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

South African https://pandata.org/about/ group is an excellent resource. They are at the coal face and very aware of the damage from poverty caused to people living day to day. Michael Levitt ‘of the party’.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

Sooo. We have T-Cell immunity. We have had several months of the ‘virus’ spreading. We’ve had two lockdowns and multiple months in a ‘tier’ system.

Yet somehow Scotland once again manages to out-do the rUK in the draconian war on the people.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scotland-travel-ban-exemptions-reasons-19306808

So for me to leave my area is now illegal and can result in jail time?

Yet flying abroad to areas with unknown ‘cases’ (ha) is OK if you are in a ‘tier 1 or 2` because that must make you immune, despite the govt not realising that immunity already exists and is probably greater in the upper tiers.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

And here on the West Coast, we’re just about to do a stretch in Tier 4, probably without parole for good behaviour.

If the Dominatrix has her way, we’ll soon be put under the ‘guidance’ of Covid Probation Officers.

I never expected that so many of us would become virtual Category A prisoners.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

So much for the supposed Scottish tenacity, I’m appalled every time I leave my house.

The spectator has it that the majority of Scots back Stasi-Sturgeon and her aims… I haven’t met one!

Well seeing as she is wanting a named person for each child I wouldn’t put Covid Officers off the table for her and her incestuous party.

Time for her and her party to go. Who would step up to the plate I dunno, hopefully the Reform party stand MPs/MSPs in Scotland.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I truly wish that broadcaster Andrew Neil would become an MSP,since I believe that he is one of the few public figures with the clout and verbal and intellectual firepower to take on the Sturgeonauts.

Last edited 5 years ago by wendyk
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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

My bf is Scottish and he has family there, one of whom runs her own small business. They all absolutely loathe Sturgeon and the SNP’s loon policies, be it on lockdown, hate speech, or independence.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Problem is is that I’m not seeing much push back, just dumb compliance

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Same here; low grade grumbling but no resistance.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

The wonders of behavioural science, shrink people’s world to 6 people and fuck everyone else.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Yes, who thought that selfishness masquerading as ‘stopping the spread’ plus facial virtue signalling would be quite so successful?

What a sorry state to be in.

Last edited 5 years ago by wendyk
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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Good point. As I’ve wondered earlier, what are the odds that many people are using the virus and the excuse of “keeping you safe” as a way to get rid of people they don’t like or don’t want to be friends any more?

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think you’re right Bart

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Yep. I’m reaching the point of doing a quid pro quo – do without certain people.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

My Christmas card list will be shorter this year.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Unfortunately any dissent is drowned out by SNP cultists and those who don’t like the rest of the UK. Mike Graham and Neil Oliver noticed as much during their Wednesday chat on Talk Radio.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

https://themajority.scot/2020/11/19/an-alliance-for-unity/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-majority-latest-posts-newsletter

Worth reading

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kf99
kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Very good. Wish them well but attention from MSM is close to zero at the moment.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I contacted Nigel Farage a week or so ago to ask if Reform would be standing candidates in Scotland. I got a reply from him personally saying it’s under discussion and a lot depends on fundraising.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

I guess it is that spirit of Calvin and Knox that was lurking in the hllls waiting its opportunity.
Mind you it was Knox who wrote ‘ The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women’As far as Strurgeon is concerned he may have had a point!

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Monstrous is as monstrous does. Mind you, I’m not monstrous just very very angry and disgusted.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Lunacy, she needs sectioning, how any person with any morals can put their name to this shit is beyond me.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she scribbles this shit on an old shopping receipt she finds in her handbag. No discussion or debate, end of. Very scary.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

”Despite the govt not realising…” OOooh, yes, they ”realise” all right. But it’s just sn inconvenient truth. Nothing to see here, move along.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
5 years ago

Keeping up the scaremongering narrative.
Good old “long covid” & as an added bonus,
She is an NHS worker.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/i-blur-nhs-worker-opens-23038833

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Tommo
Tommo
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Where do they find these people?! She helps people with eating disorders, but spent the last few months getting into debt eating takeaways. Would have thought she would know a thing or two about nutrition and that too many takeaways probably not that good for your health!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Tommo

The mind boggles as well. And it might just be me but it seems like doctors and nurses seem to be the unhealthiest people round, case in point, I was once doing a shop at Tesco near Warren Street station and in front of me in the queue was a doctor whose shopping cart consisted of donuts, two cans of fizzy drinks, huge packet of crisps and biscuits.

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

The symptoms sound very much like anxiety, which fits with a lot of her comments.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago

Dear Lockdowners

Prof Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson
Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-
There was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

CHECK OUT THE BIDERMAN REPORT!
Specifically how it relates to communist coercion and its mirroring of the covid restrictions.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago

Dear Lockdowners

The great lockdown hypocrites
California’s hardline governor has not been practising what he preaches. Maybe politicians should stop preaching
BY DOUGLAS MURRAY
https://unherd.com/2020/11/the-great-lockdown-hypocrites/

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Politicians can never stop preaching, preaching is in their DNA as is hypocrisy, which is why the non muggles take limited notice of them

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Great article. It’s not only politicians but also slebs – too fond of preaching to us and tries too hard to disguise their contempt for us. Unfortunately the mask always slips.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Do as I say, not as I do.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Let’s make sure that California Gov Nuisance and his entourage self-isolate for 14 days when they return from Maui. In a padded cell.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Spiked: ‘This is an abusive government’.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/20/this-is-an-abusive-government/

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago

As I have always said on here, if you don’t measure stuff properly with sufficient precision then you don’t actually know what you have.

Not like I’ve seen this for over 20 odd years.

The way this whole charade goes is that the government and advisors make claims as fact which then turn out to be bollocks. But the “fact” has been accepted so now you look stupid for questioning it.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

If a lie is told often enough it becomes the truth. The apotheosis of this being the “earlier/ harder lockdown” fallacy.

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kpaulsmith1463
kpaulsmith1463
5 years ago

Re: Cross contamination/shoddy safety protocols at UK testing labs – isn’t this how ’28 Days Later’ started?

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Arkansas
Arkansas
5 years ago
Reply to  kpaulsmith1463

‘28 Days Later Or Less Following A Supposedly Positive PCR Result’ (Danny Boyle d’Frogs, 2020)

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

infections still coming down. peaked on 1st Nov before lockdown

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

and we are heading further into winter

only explainable by herd immunity

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago

This is the most encouraging summary I have read for a long time. Nurses mobilising, students mobilising, and even MPs almost mobilising. ‘I smell blood in the water’.

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Bella donna
Bella donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

🤞. It’s the nurses that will be given the vaccine first so they probably know more than we do what a scam this is.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

In 1 month, the govt had to borrow £36.1 billion to pay for lockdown

That would have saved 1.8 million life years if spent on the NHS instead

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Just think as to what good use that money might have been put if it had been simply divided out amongst the population of this country.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Yes some months back someone here worked out that all older ‘at risk’ people could have been given a holiday in the Caribbean instead, all expenses paid.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

they made a start by dividing it out amongst the testing companies

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Mars-in-Aries
Mars-in-Aries
5 years ago

Mike Yeadon comments several times in his article that SAGE must be reconstituted “properly”. But he is notebly silent on how that should be done.
Any ideas…?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

Drain the swamp

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

I don’t know how individuals should be selected but surely ensuring there are virologists included would be a start, plus redressing the balance between various flavours of modellers and other specialisms.

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Bella donna
Bella donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

But if they did that their scam would be over!

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Why modellers? I haven’t come across any that do as well as any competent data analyst and a pencil. (When we get to late December, I’ll own up to my accuracy of projection compared with the Chuckle Brothers’ ‘exponential’ prediction in terms of deaths.)

Last edited 5 years ago by RickH
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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

Sack the lot and hire some people who know what they are talking about (not ‘modelers’) and are not compromised by links to big pharma basically.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Good luck with that.

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Salopian
Salopian
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

Cage
SAGE

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
5 years ago

Yet more scaremongering. This time…Supermarkets!!!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/supermarkets-most-common-place-catch-23038786

Now, I personally know someone who works in a major supermarket, she has worked throughout all this nonsense from the beginning & she has said that nobody from her work has caught it (& this has been from March onwards) .

the MSM are getting desperate now & peddling out any old shite to keep up the scaremongering & fear.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Same here, the staff at my Tesco Metro and large Co-Op are exactly the same as in March. None have succumbed to Covid and most shoppers will know similarly.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

FFS! The figures reported were only about where people said they had visited in the week before getting a positive test result. Of course lots of people are going to have been to the chuffing supermarket – I’m just amazed so many had managed to avoid it!

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Ellis Bell
Ellis Bell
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Hardly surprising. It’s currently about the only place we can go!

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

It’s pavements that are spreading it. People who get covid have been shown to have walked on pavements. It turned me into a newt…

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Pondlife is the way forward in the New Normal; gills for the virtuous

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

With Gussie Fink – Nottle as the owner..

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

It’s the pavements wot dunnit!

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Did you get better?

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

i bet you that there’s an incredibly high correlation between pcr positives and people who brush their teeth. It’s the toothpaste wot dunnit! Even higher correlation with numbers of people who’ve been to the toilet within 24 hours. It’s the bog wot dunnit!

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

The problem is glaring now. If supermarkets were the most common place to catch the Covid, then how come the rates were going down in the first lockdown when all we could basically do was go to the supermarket?

And when we did, we didn’t wear masks, have track and trace or do mass testing?

Logic is a bastard.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Agreed.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Those masks are really working, aren’t they?!!

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Bella donna
Bella donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Only to those mask wearers who think they are protecting themselves.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

The Expert on the Today Programme this morning claimed that masks and social distancing were the reason for flu almost entirely disappearing this year.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

So the flu virus is “killed” by face coverings and SD, but C virus is even cleverer and finds a way through a fc and can travel longer distances?

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

its a genius, that virus.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

You can’t cure stupid. FFS

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

I think this study is a bit like saying that everyone who was tested +ve had been to the toilet and so therefore going to the toilet gives you covid.
This is a ‘will of the wisp’ virus that drifts around, behaves randomly and seasonally and defies all attempts to pin it down. Here in the West Country the Health authorities talk about stopping the virus in its tracks as if it were a Panzer Tank division when in fact it operates more like the viet-cong and our efforts to ‘defeat’ it look to be doing as well as the USA did in that conflict.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Indeed, it’s a very clever virus, it can even tell the time. I say this because where I am, my area goes into el Presidente Sturgeon’s tier 4…at 6pm tonight.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Yet another stretch in the Covid close Confinement Facility, courtesy of the Dominatrix, who knows what’s best.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

We must outwit the virus! Just like the PD dePiffle implores …..

Last edited 5 years ago by Llamasaurus Rex
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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

A good parallel – the US lived to ever getting into a conflict that it couldn’t win and where it dramatically misunderstood its ‘enemy’.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

If asked where they have been to catch it, the infected are clearly only going to admit to ‘permitted’ places and activities. They are not going to admit to the Saturday night house party with the neighbours. What a load of bollocks.

There is also a complete failure to distinguish between statistical correlation and causation.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

They’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel aren’t they?

Having chatted to workers in my local supermarket, they’ve been pretty much unanimous in saying that no-one has been off sick since this shit show started and that no-one has caught the virus. Plus they’re unhappy with the mandatory muzzling and after a month of it, many have been claiming exemption.

Yet again more fake news from the desperate MSM.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Ditto, my younger son’s place of work: Wilco’s.

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mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

just been to Aldi. all the zombie customers are masked Chatted to usual staff who have been there all the way through. No one has been ill. except for the lad who had a bad mask rash.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

I think that’s why many workers have been claiming exemption if they’ve had to be off due to developing rashes, headaches from wearing muzzles.

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think that has been the experience across the country – supermarket workers have not been particularly vulnerable to infection.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Same as our local Morrison’s, no one…

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

still no second wave in sweden! deaths running below 5 year average. must have a) herd immunity b) good immune systems from not being locked down

https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/

table 1

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RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

“second waves” were never based on any factual analysis of the general feature of the course of infections – as the CEBM showed in an early article.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago

Excellent update today. There’s a dark comedy twist in here, with the HSE stepping in to shame the government. You couldn’t write it.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

But it looks as if the laboratory only received a small fine……..

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