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by Will Jones
21 November 2020 2:35 AM

If Lockdown Was a Drug, Would We Use It?

On Thursday I asked why lockdowns aren’t subject to the same rigorous safety and efficacy protocols as drugs and vaccines despite their huge collateral harms for questionable pay-offs. Today we’re publishing an original piece by three scientific researchers that looks at exactly this question.

The authors are Dr Kerry Nield, Dr Juergen Dobmeyer and Dr David Cook, who between them have over 60 years’ experience in the field of drug development and clinical research. So they know what they’re talking about when they say: if Lockdown was a drug, we would not use it. From the introduction:

One of the central tenets of healthcare provision is that all patients have the right to expect equal treatment. Unfortunately, much as we might wish to offer the best treatments to all, there are only finite resources available and so it is necessary to balance the needs of different patients to ensure their fairest distribution. This is a difficult balancing act, but over the years we have developed approaches to ensure such judgements are as objective and as equitable as possible. In the UK, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) is responsible for doing this, but the approaches taken by NICE are not unique and similar methods are used by healthcare systems around the world.

Non-pharmaceutical interventions such as the imposition of societal restrictions, ‘lockdowns’, aim to have clinical outcomes i.e., a reduction in COVID-19 cases and deaths. However, unlike almost all other medical inventions these have not been subjected to the normal assessments used to test their effectiveness and worth.

So, what if lockdowns were a new treatment, ‘Lockdown™’, would we use it?

Three important areas are considered by authorities before a new therapeutic is recommended for use:

1. Efficacy and cost effectiveness
2. Safety and the Benefit/Risk profile
3. Lost opportunity cost

This is a thorough, professional analysis of the question by specialists in the field and is not to be missed. We’ve given it a permanent home on the right-hand menu and you can read it in full here.

Covid Crazy: How One Man’s White Lie Locked Down a State

What follows is a guest post by Lockdown Sceptics regular Guy de la Bédoyère on the farce going on down-under.

I can’t be alone in feeling a mild sense of panic that we are being engulfed in a form of lockdown madness. It’s everywhere now. Northern Ireland gets out of one lockdown and throws itself straight back into another. SAGE ‘experts’ have even dreamed up a bizarre form of punitive transactional lockdowns for England: one day off, five days of flagellation back in the clink as retribution for “giving Granny Covid for Xmas”. Christ, it’s like some dystopian vision of public schools.

It seems a thousand years since Imperial College’s infamous 500,000-deaths report from March conceded that it was ‘not at all certain suppression will succeed long-term’ and that attempting measures with such disruptive consequences had never been tried before. Looking back now, Neil Ferguson and his Hole in the Wall Gang sound like lockdown sceptics. Almost.

But now lockdown has become a way of life and government policy. Indeed, in some places it’s the only government policy (apart from not accepting responsibility for anything). In an astonishing development, it turns out South Australia’s instant overnight lockdown was triggered by a lie. A pizza restaurant worker claimed to have caught the virus after a single visit to the pizzeria, not mentioning that he worked there. State officials knew that another employee had tested positive and assumed the strain in question must be incredibly virulent if this young man had become infected after one visit. In a moment of frantic overreaction, the government of South Australia ordered an instant shutdown, throwing businesses back into turmoil and ensuring the masses would immediately pile into their cars to buy life-saving toilet paper in industrial quantities. That’s how a nuclear war could get started.

It’s our version of the 1518 dancing mania that broke out in Strasbourg, a mass psychogenic illness, triggered by a young woman who started spontaneously dancing in public. Sounds familiar? With nerves frayed to the bare bone, people crippled with anxiety provoked by razor brains like Professor Andrew Hayward of SAGE the other day, and stress afflicting everyone from politicians to the residents suffering from dementia in care homes, the conditions are ripe for panic-stricken lockdowns ranging from state sponsored hysteria to individual self-imposed gibbering behind locked front doors.

Even though the vaccine has hoved into view on the horizon, I rather think we’d better grit our teeth and prepare for more of this mania in the last few weeks and months of Lockdown World. South Australia won’t be the last place to go bonkers.

To define true madness, what is’t but to be nothing else but mad? (Hamlet 2.2)

Stop Press: Guy has a piece in the Telegraph reflecting on how “our ancestors would be baffled by our hysterical response to this modern plague“.

Covid Infections Continue to Drop

The latest ONS infection survey published yesterday shows new infections in England continuing to fall. Matt Hancock predictably tried to claim it was the lockdown wot dunnit, despite the ONS concurring with ICL’s REACT study and KCL’s ZOE App that infections were falling before lockdown began on November 5th.

Professor Neil Ferguson was at large again yesterday warning that we now must keep lockdowns in place to avoid a third wave.

We now have clear evidence that Tier 3 measures were working to bring down infection rates in some areas. Tier 2 was also having an impact, but a smaller one. The decision is a political one, but if we don’t want to see infection levels rebound from December 3rd my assessment is that measures between Tier 2 and Tier 3 will be necessary in the great majority of locations.

Clear evidence Tier 3 works? Right, let’s have a look shall we. Here’s a non-exhaustive list of places where positive “cases” peaked and began to fall before Tier 3 (or in some cases Tier 2) was imposed:

  • Liverpool was placed in Tier 3 on October 14th but positive cases had been declining since October 8th, six days earlier.
  • West Lancashire was placed in Tier 3 on October 17th but positive cases had been declining since October 13th, four days earlier. 
  • Manchester was placed in Tier 3 on October 23rd but positive cases had been declining since October 1st, 22 days earlier.
  • Sheffield was placed in Tier 3 on October 24th but positive cases had been declining since October 8th, 16 days earlier. 
  • Warrington was placed in Tier 3 on October 29th but positive cases had been declining since October 27th, two days earlier. 
  • Nottingham was placed in Tier 3 on October 29th but positive cases had been declining since October 9th, 20 days earlier. 
  • Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire was placed in Tier 3 on October 30th but positive cases had been declining since October 20th, 10 days earlier.

It’s that pernicious myth again, put about by Ferguson and the SAGE modellers, that COVID-19 epidemics only peak and decline once restrictions they’ve recommended are introduced. Yet in Sweden infections declined in April without any new restrictions, and in Switzerland infections are currently declining despite no new restrictions being imposed.

WHO Europe director Hans Kluge has warned that Europe faces a “tough six months” waiting for a vaccine, noting that Switzerland in particular has intensive care units operating at 95% capacity. However, the “Swiss Doctor” Covid fact site has pointed out that this doesn’t take into account all Swiss intensive care beds, and that the high occupancy level is not unusual for winter.

Recently, a lot has been reported internationally about the utilization of Swiss intensive care units. The fact is: the certified intensive care beds are used to almost 100%, the currently available intensive care beds to 79% , and the maximum available intensive care beds to approx. 56%.

Occupancy rates between 85-100% are the norm in winter, and overloads in Swiss intensive care units, including postponing operations and moving patients, are also common during strong flu waves. In 2015, the price watchdog criticized the fact that Swiss hospitals were underutilised with an average of 80% occupancy.

Switzerland’s spring wave never produced above average mortality so the strength of this autumn surge is likely to be in part a delay of the first wave. And in any case, the epidemic appears already to be on the decline with no lockdown necessary.

In England we see from ONS data that regions have tended to go into decline before they reach 2.5% infection rate, sometimes well before. This appears to be independent of the varied restrictions imposed on them, and in many local areas (Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, etc.) occurred prior to new restrictions coming in.

These are not the patterns of a viral epidemic being kept under control primarily by lockdowns but rather by natural limitations such as the availability of susceptible hosts. The evidence is clear that local restrictions are no more necessary to cause a COVID-19 epidemic to peak and decline than national restrictions are, whatever Hancock and Ferguson may say.

Stop Press: Camilla Tominey has put together a great short video in the Telegraph rubbishing the government’s data for Lockdown II and showing all the ways it was wrong. Unfortunately, she then argues the tier system was working, but don’t let that put you off because the skewering of Witless and Unbalanced’s dodgy dossier is beautiful.

Bang Pots and Pans to Protest Lockdown

Two Lockdown Sceptics readers emailed us today independently with the same idea. Maybe there’s something in it.

The first reader pointed out that in Denmark during the nine-day protests that overturned the law mandating the vaccine for some groups they banged pots and pans. “If everyone came out of their front door, say, every Friday at 7pm and banged pots and pans to show we don’t consent might it catch on?”

The second reader wrote:

I am trying to get something off the ground for those like me disabled and not able to get to protests, plus everybody around the country. The plan would be on Sunday December 27th and Sunday January 3rd everyone should get out on their doorsteps with a saucepan and bang for an end to this Covid nonsense and freedom. The police could do nothing to stop it and if it was publicised by all those supporting getting out of what the Government is doing to us now it really could be big. Maybe I am dreaming but who knows.

Friday or Sunday, weekly or one off? Time to put it out there on social media and see if it flies: #PotsPansProtest.

Escape YouTube Censorship

An executive from odysee.com got in touch to say there is an alternative to the petty censors at Google.

With the Anna Brees situation I figured I’d check-in. All anyone needs to do is sign up at odysee.com and we can copy an entire YouTube channel over, on an ongoing basis. It takes just a minute.

What’s going on is absolutely awful and we’re extremely committed to keeping this content safe and available. Anything you can do to spread the word would be greatly appreciated. 

Stop Press: Maybe Unlocked – the anti-lockdown embryonic TV channel – should move its YouTube channel to odysee, following the social media company’s decision to censor its interview with Dr Mike Yeadon yesterday. Happily, Facebook hasn’t yet followed suit and you can watch the video here.

Devil’s Dictionary

More entries have come in for the Covid version of the Devil’s Dictionary. (You can see the first set here, the second set here and the third set here.)

Contrarian, n. Someone who disagrees with one’s opinion. (qv controversialist).

Libertarian, n. A selfish person who cares more about themselves than others (qv Granny killer)

Free speech, n. Hate speech; misinformation; fake news.

Civil liberties, n. Antiquated “freedoms” beloved of granny-killing libertarians, based on rose-tinted and historically illiterate misinterpretations of English historical events such as the signing of the Magna Carta, the glorious revolution of 1688, etc.

Protest, n. (1) Pejorative: The propagation of misinformation and conspiracy theories, sometimes accompanied by the defiance of social distancing by granny-killing libertarians and believers in the old normal. (2) Complimentary: The courageous and laudable advocacy of certain approved causes related to environmentalism and anti-racism.

Fact check, n. The replacement of an inconvenient set of contested statements and opinions with a convenient set of contested statements and opinions.

Expert, n. Credentialled scientist/researcher/academic whose opinion one agrees with. (qv “The science”).

Pseudo-expert, n. Credentialled scientist/researcher/academic whose opinion one does not agree with. (qv charlatan/outlier/controversialist).

Death with covid, n. Unacceptable, tragic, entirely avoidable cessation of life which must be be prevented at absolutely any cost whatsoever.

Death from other cause, n. The human condition.

Flatten the curve, v. Archaic. The original meaning of this phrase has been lost to history (qv squash the sombrero).

Herd immunity, n. (1) Scientific myth peddled by pseudo-experts and charlatans, based on the discredited notion that the human immune system can, without unprecedented societal transformation and the advent of a vaccine, cope with a virus without suffering a calamitous collapse. (2) Genocidal strategy proposed by granny-killing libertarians in order to kill as many grannies as possible.

Round-Up

  • “What they DON’T tell you about Covid: Fewer beds taken up than last year, deaths a fraction of the grim forecasts, 95% of fatalities had underlying causes… and how the facts can be twisted to strike fear in our hearts” – Fantastic up-to-date myth-buster by Ross Clark in the Daily Mail
  • “Anti-Lockdown Protests All Across Europe” – The OffGuardian offers a guided tour of Europe’s anti-lockdown direct action
  • “Irish police enforce ban on Mass, threaten priests with jail” – All is not well in not-so-Catholic Ireland, reports LifeSiteNews
  • “The Heneghan Jefferson Plan” – New episode of the Real Normal Podcast discussing the ideas coming out of CEBM, PCR cock-ups, vaccines and more
  • “People with antibodies ‘ARE protected against reinfection’” – The Mail reports on the PHE research that shows antibodies protect against SARS-CoV-2 infection (which we knew anyway, but it’s nice when the Government finally admits it)
  • “Public sector workers whingeing about a pay freeze may change their tune when reality kicks in” – Ross Clark in the Telegraph on public sector workers’ sudden discovery that maybe the economy does matter, observing while you “can print money, you can’t print resources”
  • “NI to face new lockdown measures from next Friday” – So much for Arlene Foster being a sceptic. She even blamed a “careless minority” for flouting public health guidance, according to the BBC. This is despite reported “cases” falling in NI for nearly a month – so much for a short sharp early circuit breaker
  • “GCHQ spies join Downing Street ‘cell’ to give Boris Johnson minute-by-minute intelligence on people’s movements to see if public is complying with lockdown” – Big Brother is most definitely watching you, in the Mail
  • “All adults could get Covid vaccine by Easter, NHS believes” – Times report that might have been encouraging (if you fancy the risk of a rushed vaccine for a mild virus) if we didn’t suspect that “could” should read “must”
  • “The Great Reset Is Not a Conspiracy Theory” – James Delingpole on Breitbart on how the globalists are gaslighting those who complain about the WEF’s publicly stated agenda
  • “The Great Reset is the latest conspiracy fantasy – it will not be the last” – For an alternative view, read Oliver Kamm in CapX
  • “Govt. lockdowns push educational standards further down the drain” – Michael Curzon in Bournbrook on the deleterious impact on university entry requirements
  • “Given new data we must downgrade the severity of this pandemic” – Good piece by Sanjeev Sabhlok in Times of India noting that Sweden will have around 2,400 extra deaths this year compared with 2018. But in 2019 it had 3,419 fewer deaths than in 2018 because of a mild flu season. “Most of these 3,419 were going to die in 2020 anyway”
  • Comedian Simon Evans Performs at the Free Speech Union’s comedy night – Very funny bit about how few celebrities have died of Covid from Simon Evans’s recent set. Warning: contains profanity

.@thesimonevans comparing the great cull of 2016 to 2020 at the Free Speech Union’s comedy special at @UnleashedComedy 🙊 pic.twitter.com/XRIWqLAK3T

— The Free Speech Union (@SpeechUnion) November 20, 2020

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Four today: “Freedom come freedom go” by the Fortunes, “C*nts are still running the world” by Jarvis Cocker, “We’re All Criminals” by Right Said Fred and “Can’t Stop Christmas” by Robbie Williams.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, the BBC’s diversity drive. From the Times.

The views of white men must not be allowed to dominate decisions about the BBC’s news coverage, according to a senior executive.

Jonathan Munro, head of newsgathering, said that the corporation’s diversity drive was necessary because too many senior editorial positions had been held by Caucasian males.

Mr Munro also admitted that the national broadcaster and other news organisations were blindsided by the failings that led to the Grenfell Tower fire in 2017 because so few journalists had grown up on housing estates.

Tim Davie, the new BBC director-general, has made diversity one of his priorities, promising to transform the corporation into a “50/20/12 organisation” – with a workforce that is 50% female, at least 20% black, Asian and minority ethnic, and 12% disabled. Recruitment policies are also being rewritten so that bosses hire fewer people with private-school educations and Oxbridge degrees to address perceptions that it is dominated by upper middle-class graduates.

Mr Munro said that when he joined from ITN in 2014 every editor in BBC newsgathering was a white man. The only woman at that level, Stephanie Flanders, the economics editor, had just left to join JP Morgan. “I don’t think anybody can possibly think that that’s right [or] justifiable,” said Mr Munro, who is white.

Creating a “pipeline” of diverse young staff who could be trained to take leadership roles had “changed the complexion of what we do on air for the better. We don’t want all our editorial meetings to be dominated by what white people think. We don’t want any single group in society to dominate our editorial thinking, because we are not being diverse in our thought process.”

Racial stereotypes and pigeon-holing, obsession with people having the right skin colour, patronising, anti-meritocratic recruitment policies, and an underlying hostility and delegitimising of one racial group because of their skin colour. What century is this again? And one thing the BBC can hardly be accused of is not going on about race enough.

You can listen to the Media Masters podcast in which Jonathan Munro made these remarks here. Funnily enough, he didn’t end his interview by announcing he would stand aside in favour of a woman of colour.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now approaching 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern and over 100 church leaders are JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger, House of Commons 18 November 1783

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21XMBdkqmgU&feature=youtu.be

Toby appeared on talkRADIO yesterday to talk about the extreme Covid censorship being perpetrated by technology companies online and now the Labour Party is joining in. Watch him here.

Stop Press: Professor Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson’s Spectator piece summarising the findings of the Danish mask study was censored by Facebook yesterday because it was supposedly “false information”. Carl tweeted: “Here’s what happened when I posted our latest @spectator article to Facebook – I’m aware this is happening to others – what has happened to academic freedom and freedom of speech? There is nothing in this article that is ‘false'”. This is extraordinary overreach on the part of Facebook, presuming to tell an Oxford professor writing in a mainstream magazine about a peer-reviewed study that he is wrong and may not write about it on their site. Who do they think they are?

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1329861848573861888
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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

I randomly check LS, and look at this, I’m first!

I am still completely stunned that the lockdown protests have not become widespread in the US. And that we are so happy to tolerate this insane censorship.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
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Not only first, but first on the 200th edition of LS.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
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The first edition on 15th April received one comment. Now we have a small community. This is my one-stop shop for all news updates.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
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I like the way although most people on here do not actually know each other they get support from the comments.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I feel I do know LD people. A lot better than the nappied ghouls that I encounter in my town – when I absolutely can’t avoid it.

Hail, People!

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runskippyrun/CJ
runskippyrun/CJ
5 years ago
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Hail Annie!
Fare thee well chook?

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
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“nappied ghouls”

Brilliant. Made me laugh!

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
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“Nappied ghouls” That’s an appropriate term to use for this observation. Last night I drove to a nearby village hall to get my fish & chips from an excellent mobile shop which stops there on Friday nights. When I first started visiting a couple of months ago there was usually only a couple of customers waiting, and I was on my way within minutes. Also, no masks being worn by customers or the proprietors (it appears to be a Husband/Wife/Daughter outfit). However, since Lockdown 2 there is now a large queue, and nearly all are muzzled. Worse, the Husband now wears a muzzle (must be great while fun standing over the range!), although the women use plastic shields. As I was waiting for them to open up – and bearing in mind that it was moderately windy and I suffer from tinnitus – I caught snippets of a conversation behind me. The most obvious female was telling someone else that her daughter worked in the local hospital Covid Ward ICU. I heard bits about how she thought the virus spreads (aerosol droplets were mentioned) and how she doesn’t get out of the car without a mask on!!! Then she inferred… Read more »

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Possibly a lot of these need to be laminated and stuck up wherever people queue

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

I’ve had the same thought – using the anecdote about Stalin and the plucked chicken. I think this sort of thing might be worthwhile.

At this point, I find it hard to walk past these people with out calling out something like “Idiot!” or “Serf!” or “Where’s your “I’m a happy serf” button?”

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  nightspore

i have actually been muttering’ idiot !’ sometiems ‘ moron ‘ for a change under my breath when out for my walk and there they are no one around but are wearing masks!

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  sam

I’ve printed out 50 this week.
2 per sheet of A4, cut down white margins, then laminate leaving a clear plastic border round the paper.
If the paper is near the holes you punch for cable ties the water gets in and delaminates it.
Then cable tie to the micromesh at bus stops handrails, lamp posts etc.
Even if it gets a few of the Karens laughed at, it’s having an effect of moving the window.

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Jane in France
Jane in France
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Not really the same situation, but my son delivers “Ubereats” in Montpellier where all the restaurants and bars are closed but can still provide takeaways. He sent us a photograph of about fifty guys on bicycles waiting outside a restaurant with Ubereat bags, all crowded together, no distancing at all. It might have been simpler (and “safer” if you believe in that sort of thing) just to let customers eat in the restaurant at separate tables rather than have their dinner delivered by people who had been breathing all over each other. Logic is not the French government’s strong suit at the moment.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane in France

Just proves it isn’t about a virus.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I feel like this too Annie – this thing we have in common transcends absolutely all else, and if we feel the same way about it, nothing else matters.

Dave – I like the support network too. I hope that we can all just keep each other going, and maybe all meet up one day for a massive knees-up.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Wouldn’t that be fantastic! If that day comes, I’ll definitely contribute to the champagne – and food!

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I am happy to pay for the rental of the bandstand in Saffron Walden.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I feel like I know some people on here now! I recognise usernames and we have our regular commenters 🙂

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Keen Cook
Keen Cook
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Me too. A lifeline in stormy seas.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I see this site and the people in it as my little community now. Plus one stop shop for all updates and facts.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Early bird

Dear …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWpP8wTkzk

Ermmm 😕 Man Falls Of Ladder & Dies 😢 Guess What He Was Written Off With 🏥 ..

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Like winning the lottery eh.

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goldhoarder
goldhoarder
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

In the USA just head out to a rural area. Nobody cares about this nonsense there. Avoid large cities

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leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  goldhoarder

Same in the UK.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Well, over 70 million Americans voted for Trump despite the massive demonisation and propaganda campaign against him. So you can’t fault at least that many for at least trying.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

We’re definitely trying. But it’s also pretty difficult to drop your jobs and lives to move to a free state (and have work when you get there). My family is in Montana and Idaho, and we are visiting often. Headed to Idaho this week for Thanksgiving.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It is likely to be more like 80 million. Possibly almost 20 million more than what Biden actually got.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

me too . i keep looking for signs of protests but haven’t found any .i’m happy there’s someone else here from the u.s..i love lockdown sceptics.i don’t know what i ‘d do with out it and everyone here .

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/11/gary-d-barnett/dr-igor-shepherds-talk-about-the-horrors-of-a-covid-vaccine/
Dr. Shepherd was born and raised in the Soviet Union, and became a Military Doctor in St. Petersburg, Russia, and studied under the Strategic Rocket Force. He is an expert today on bio-weapons, Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and high yield Explosives,(CBRNE) and Pandemic preparedness. His view is that these vaccines are very similar technology to the bio-weapon RND used to develop viral weapons. He fully understands that the plan of depopulation and mandatory vaccinations will be at our doorstep very soon, and is shocked that the American people are so passive concerning this enemy takeover.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago

Morning.
Excellent Devil’s Dictionary today.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

3rd! Im very very drunk

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

And I’m jealous. I’ll have my revenge tomorrow night. Muwahaha!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Ambrose Bierce wrote a Devil’s Dictionary.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

One of my favourites is: Love; n A temporary form of insanity cured by marriage.

Not in my case though I am smug enough to report.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Yes. I haven’t checked, is it included in the right column? So one can access it easily and does not have find it on individual days?

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago

This is the ‘fact check’ article that probably caused the removal of Michael Yeadon’s video from utube although it pertains to his Talk Radio interview with JHB, it is essentially the same as his video.  

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/a-rise-in-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-deaths-starting-in-september-2020-contradicts-the-claim-by-michael-yeadon-that-the-pandemic-is-fundamentally-over-in-the-u-k/

This is the UK Gov House of Commons Library article explaining the reliability of PCR tests (from September) https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/covid-19-how-reliable-are-test-results/

Apologies if already posted by someone

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/a-rise-in-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-deaths-starting-in-september-2020-contradicts-the-claim-by-michael-yeadon-that-the-pandemic-is-fundamentally-over-in-the-u-k/

I love how in one part she quotes other fact checkers as her proof

Hartley-Brewer reiterates the inaccurate claim, also made by U.S. President Donald Trump, that many people who died due to COVID-19 did not actually die from the disease, but from preexisting conditions like heart disease and cancer. This claim is false, as fact-checked by Health Feedback, PolitiFact, and Lead Stories, among others.

Part of Science Feedback.

Science Feedback is partnering with Facebook to verify the credibility of viral content as part of the third-party fact-checking initiative.

Enough said!

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Maybe I’m a bit slow to the party, but it suddenly hit me like a sledgehammer as I woke, that if a post has been removed by the fact-checkers, it means it must have contained irrefutable facts.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Yes, it is that simple.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Allow for deliberate fake mud in the water by which to smear by association – such as flat earth (a different kind of antiglobalist that identifies so strongly in hatred of being deceived that they allow questioning everything to be directed by the minds of others/ Likewise Covid and fyve gee are often blocked – but that doesn’t mean that respiratory flushing complications are solely caused by fyve gee. But that the tech is SO necessary to an Internment of Things (us) that none of the charge of the covid shock wave is to be officially allowed shaped by fyve gee fears. There is no proper cautions and open science of transparancy and accountability for ‘tech’ that is fasttracked to serve ‘control agenda’. However, the principle of recognising that the mind of ‘control agenda’ is the lie and the father of it, is the capacity to not be phished by reaction, and to learn to read what is being masked over or revealed beneath the lie. Fronting out the lie, is a tactic that maintains face no matter what, by generating enough doubt and division in the minds of others, as to run a circuit breaker against recognising and aligning… Read more »

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Why do you think they call them “fact checkers”?

(It’s like the Firemen in Fahrenheit 451.)

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Wow. This is reality management on steroids.

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Thomasina
Thomasina
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

But it is interesting that now PHE have said that up to 25% of the population could have T-Cell immunity due to previous exposure to the common cold and other coronaviruses it was all over the MSM yesterday. Well Dr Yeadon originally said that months ago and indeed did point it out in his letter to the PM but was of course ignored. This was about the time that he accused Sir Patrick Vallance of being a liar.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

I thought PHE was being culled following the
‘everyone who has had Covid dies of Covid farago’

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

PHE were only saying what the government wanted to hear.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

Others have suggested up to 50% – and I have seen a direct link between Vit D levels and the activation or not of T cells – and so with sunlight or supplementation, the % may be able to be higher still.
There are other factors to the undermining of the body’s functioning that come into play with regard to complications arising from any respiratory infection/clearout. Anti-biotic environment interferes with the balance of colonies to deal with the debris of dead cells resulting from viral infection/clearout,

To say we have ‘relative immunity’ is to say there is no real threat or call to intervene as a fear-triggerred intervention, and that what is happening is serving function. If the function is supported instead of a fear-defined intervention, health is nursed instead of sickness.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

The Healthfeedback link depends upon the assumption that most people going for tests are symptomatic. But this would not apply to mass-testing, nor when a significant number of people go for tests to satisfy employer demands.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Their point about positivity % is bizarre also. They state that nowhere have we seen positivity anywhere near 90%. That is not what is being claimed. The claim is that as many as 90% of positives could be false positives.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Having symptoms of a respiratory illness could mean that you have anyone of the 200 or so respiratory infections that are in circulation at this time of the year, so why Covid-19. The PCR test means nothing at all and is just another expensive part of the carve up, Now whatever happened to influenza? It seems that the flu has had a very expensive makeover and now wants to be known as Covid-19. This fiasco is chiefly aimed at bouncing us into accepting very dodgy and hardly tested vaccines. People should know that vaccines are never subjected to the same fairly rigorous, but still flawed, testing as drugs and this time around they have dropped all pretence of doing things properly. This outrageous scam is not just about making rich people richer and nor does it have anything to do with safeguarding public health. The real aims are far more sinister and only the very trusting would allow themselves to be injected with these dangerous and liability free concoctions.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

It can also result from an accumulation of pollution in the lungs as the body’s means to clear it. If the ongoing maintenance system is degraded, the log-jam piles up a situation in which ‘treatments’ that further degrade are applied, to render the ‘patient’ dependent on such ‘treatments’ as a replacement for the natural regenerative function.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

A rise in the number of ‘cases’ which are not cases and ‘deaths’ which are mostly attributable to something else.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

One diagnosis to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

Another superb update posted in the middle of the night. Toby and Will are making Herculean efforts here. A contribution of historical importance that will be remembered.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Not only remembered, but assiduously mined by the historians of the future when they are working on the Great Insanity.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Unless the future is controlled by those now doing the fact-checking.

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Yes, what an excellent editorial today. Have just been forwarding parts of it to family and friends.

Am feeling a tad more optimistic this morning as we are perhaps close to the point where the facts about the lack of benefits of lockdown become irrefutable

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Maybe some day, the fact checkers will stop suppressing articles written by astronomers who falsely claim that the earth goes round the sun, not vice versa.

But it may take a couple of centuries.

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TyRade
TyRade
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

we need the ‘Lockdown Sceptics Manual’ in time for Christmas, now more than ever. Chapters already set in the sidebar links. Appendix of Devil’s Dictionary. Plus ‘And finally…’ cartoons etc at start of every chapter. £9.99. Available in all , urm, remaining bookstores. All proceeds to the Free Speech warriors?

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zubin
zubin
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I don’t often post but I read ls every day and I am monumentally grateful to everyone. You have saved my sanity, made me laugh and rage and not feel alone. I will fight to my last breath and look forward to ultimate truth. Xx

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Kathryn
Kathryn
5 years ago
Reply to  zubin

I’m the same Zubin, I rarely post anything but I avidly read each daily update. It is where I learn the latest news on this insanity, since I can no longer stomach watching or listening to the news. Also to find new information with which the beat down the zealots! It has kept me sane and feeling part of a great community of clearly very intelligent people.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

Just who are these “independent fact checkers,” what “facts” are they using to check against, and from where exactly do they derive their authority to decide which facts are true and which are not. It seems more and more dystopian/banana-republic the more you think about it.

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Well this is the person responsible for the Mike Yeadon one https://healthfeedback.org/editor/flora-teoh/

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Doodle

Oh well – she obviously has way more experience than our Carl eh!

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

A very small minority of brainwashed assholes who think they are acting in alignment with truth and morality, when in fact they are the enforcers for a gang of murderous, lying, thieving thugs. Dr. Goebbels himself would have been proud of their efforts in support of the state. It will not end well for them.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Even the good Professor Carl Heneghan, who just happens to be Professor of Evidence Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, Director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford, Editor in Chief of the British Medical Journal for Evidence Based Medicine, and an NHS Urgent Care Doctor, has been dismissed by the Facebook ‘fact checkers’.

And he’s not too chuffed about it!

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1329861848573861888

All those titles and the guy obviously knows nothing (according to Facebook).

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Well put.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Don’t know whether they still do it, but the BBC went through a period where they would interview a Tory politician with a ‘fact checker’ listening, then afterwards turn to the ‘fact checker’ for their analysis! Or even mid-way through the interview.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

It’s so MiniTrue. Fact Checkers denounce, distort and discredit facts, then they counter with lies and propaganda.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

But they’re independent. So they must be believed.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I don’t think they’re “face checkers” more like censors working for the Covid Inquisition and their Index on banned articles, videos and interviews.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

good question! A friend of mine used one to counter an argument I made on FB. I asked on this forum what people thought about Fullfact.org. Within a couple of minutes I enough ammunition to take on my friend.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

https://fullfact.org/health/toby-young-ifr-tweet/
They did one on Toby!
I thought the IFR was on the WHO website, as stated by Ioannidis – that’s fact isn’t it?

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Thanks for this – I wasn’t aware of FullFact.org.
I’ve just sent them a correction to Rachael Krishna’s ‘fact check’ on Toby’s tweet, referring them to Ioannidis’ WHO paper. FullFact’s Corrections link is here
https://fullfact.org/about/feedback/
and I see no reason not to make them work for their living! Let’s see if they respond.
No reason for others not to go down the same route, except you need to give them name and email address – I am already on ‘The Naughty List’ as i’ve been writing to my MP, so what the hell!

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Independent fact checkers are usually young people fresh out of university desperate for a career in journalism or politics they are normally working as interns and paid occasionally.
Their main sources of information are the BBC and Wikipedia.

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alison
alison
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

Well, cannot knock Wikipedia, that’s where sage resort to for their research after all, probably articles compiled by a graduate who couldn’t get a job as a fact checker. All these unattributed fact check articles, quite probably written by people with no grasp of articles they are checking at all.

And as for social media censorship, that is an algorithm probably written by somebody with CCP censorship experience.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

2-pence posted a link to a company who carries out some of the fact-checking yesterday – https://www.poynter.org/major-funders/
Independent? Not!

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Poynter pretend that they are some sort of arbiter of truth, through their ‘International Fact-checking Network’. The International Fact-Checking Network has updated its system for verifying fact-checking organizations’ compliance with its “Code of Principles” in 2020. But in practice so far the new IFCN system seems no better than the one Zebra Fact Check tested in 2019. In 2019 the review of PolitiFact failed to mention complaints Zebra Fact Check submitted. The IFCN failed to deliver those complaints to the outside assessor. The IFCN belatedly sent the complaints to the assessor but published no evaluation of the complaints. The public would not know from the IFCN the complaints were ever submitted. Thankfully, the outside assessor, Michael Wagner, modeled appropriate transparency and shared with Zebra Fact Check the evaluation he sent to the IFCN. Here We Go Again?The Washington Post Fact Checker came due for its annual IFCN review on June 20, 2020. Zebra Fact Check submitted a complaint about the Fact Checker a few days later on June 29, 2020. We caught the Fact Checker offering a false version of a news report as part of a fact check on the alleged connection between “antifa” and violence at a “Black… Read more »

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ianric
ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

A good overview of so called fact checkers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx2zaoi2NZc

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Silly kids who can’t get a proper media job.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

There are some interesting videos about the fact checkers and who funds them, unsurprisingly it is is usually foundations of the rich and powerful and big multinationals.

Who Will Fact Check the Fact Checkers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtirKL_XmGg&feature=youtu.be
We’ve all come across online fact checkers that purport to warn us away from independent media sites under the guise of protecting us from fake news. But who is behind these fact check sites? How do they operate?

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

(also, I love being wished a good morning at 6:45 pm. My Friday night hasn’t even started yet!)

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Doodle
Doodle
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

It’s 3:25 in the morning here in the Kingdom of Wessex and I’ve got to go to bed. I’m pretty sure the insanity will be still out there when I get up.

Night all.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I’m in England but started drinking late so am on the nightshift.

You must be in Bidenland then (formerly known as the West Coast)?

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Washington State. Ruled by the soviet republic of Seattle, and the rest of us have no say in anything. I am so fuming mad at my idiot governor. He is an absolutely worthless sack of shit.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Oh, I am so sorry for you!
They are crazy again!
I listen to podcast presented by 2 guys in Seattle, and the end of the last episode they announced they will do the next one via virtually getting together, as new lockdown, and reminded everyone to wear a face covering. I put sth on their FB page (one reason why I am still on FB), that FC do more harm than good.
The vile comments I got were, well, vile.
And so stupid. SO accused me of potentially harming “hundreds of thousands people”.

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Allen
Allen
5 years ago

I’ve been looking over overall death totals from the US these past few days. While some of you know from my comments I have been chronicling the fraud of the entire Covid narrative from Day One I think it’s now time for me to recant, for all of us to recant. As the numbers below illustrate this thing is very real. Not only is it real but it has been with us for years- Covid you see is in our past, present and future. Not only do we need to lockdown but we need to do it in a way to make amends for not locking down in previous years- maybe think of it as atonement for enjoying walking around freely in past times when death was hittin’ us just as hard as it is now. Consider the following figures from the good old, albeit crumbling, US of A. US Total deaths by year per CDC: 2013: 2,596,993 2014: 2,626,418 2015: 2,712,630 2016: 2,744,248 2017: 2,813,503 2018: 2,839,205 2019: 2,855,000 2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880 At present the US is experiencing a 1.12% increase in overall mortality rates for 2020- not good- pandemicky numbers to be sure. However,… Read more »

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Masks are bad here in the UK but not embraced as universally and zealously as they have been in far too many states in the USA. I have visited your great country many times, but now it is absolutely off limits, in the bleakest scenario for decades to come.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I have been absolutely flabbergasted by our embrace of masks. Back in March, I said “just try mandating masks. This is the US, and we’ll never stand for it.” So they mandated masks and I ran out with a pitchfork, ready to tar and feather the power hungry governor… But when I looked back, everyone was back inside, being fitted for masks.

I have lost so much respect for so many people. I never could have predicted this.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Great post. There is an even more striking aspect to your figures, which you perhaps could have emphasised more. If you extrapolate this year’s figures (up to 14/11) for a full year, using the factor of 366/319 days, then according to my calculator, the projected figure for 2020 would be 2,883,116 deaths. This represents only a 0.98% year on year increase. Quite a striking reduction in the rate of change you observe….

Note: Comments relate to earlier post from Allen, but not sure how to change this!

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Allen
Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Gardner

You are correct in your overall assessment with one caveat- the current figures as of Nov. 14th most likely will have some lag in reportage so while it may end up as you suggest at .98% and will if those figures remain it is likely due to that lag that the figure will approach last years of 1.12%- slightly below when the decimal is drawn out one more point.

We are having rather low rates of overall monthly death totals in the back half of 2020 for the obvious reason that they killed so many of the elderly in March/April who would be passing away in a more evenly spread out manner rather than in that one spike.

In either case it really is just an academic exercise at this point as if we were truly in a “global pandemic of biblical proportion” we would not be having such a discussion to parse details.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I used to casually follow a couple in Instagram. They are from Portland, Oregon. A dentist and nurse. Both advocate wearing FCs. if educated people like this do it, what hope is there?

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I’ve also lost respect for people particularly long term friends who have enthusiastically embraced the ‘new religion’ and now regard me as untouchable.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

me too i have a few friends who are now devoted believers of the ‘new religion’ and we rarely talk now .

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Unlike the UK, the US has a history of mandatory mask wearing going back to the Spanish flu outbreak over 100 years. They also had a tradition of mandatory eugenics, forced sterilisation and so on. The Doctor Worship cult has always been worse over there.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yes, James Corbett has been doing a great jobs exposing the eugenics movement and its history, sadly it is still alive and well, just living in the shadows protected by the media. The US population would be well served to educate themselves about what the elite have planned for them. https://www.corbettreport.com/

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Great post!

I think it’s now time for me to recant, for all of us to recant

You had me going for a minute there. 😉

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Time for us to R(ec)ant – loudly and in public places

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Nicky
Nicky
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Lovely post Allen. Should go on the front page. Maybe email a copy to Toby/Will?

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

this post should be ‘fact checked’ by MiniTrue. We should “choose truth over facts”.
only joking
great post, Allen

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smileymiley
smileymiley
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Great post, & the figures here tell exactly the same story!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Excellent post, but don’t dismiss the dodgy vaccines. They are the key to massive population reduction and thence it’s on to sustainable development goals that have become realistic.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

That’s fantastic. I just stole that. Hope you don’t mind!

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Allen
Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

Not at all.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

i’m so happy some fellow americans here on this wonderful british lockdown sceptics . i felt bad and a littlel embarrassed that i was intruding on this best place on the internet that is a wonderful british group with such fantastic writers everyone thank you toby all the great guest posts all the great commenters here everyone writing . so enjoyable to read .

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Fabulous post!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Laura Perrins on Delingpod equated Modelling with Lies.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

For some time, I have been noting (and posting on a forum) the reported weekly cv deaths based on worldometer data from several countries (hard/soft lockdown, major European) to try and get some sort of context for what is happening. However, for some time I’ve felt that it would be good to have other stats to put along side it, particularly: total respiratory deaths and comparisons with previous years; total deaths and comparisons with previous years; the severity of flu seasons in recent years; comparisons in regions like the Oresund region of Sweden/Denmark to see what difference different rules have made either side of the border; and so on.

I was wondering if there is any website that has made a concerted effort to bring all the relevant information together in one place (if it is even available), and if not, if anyone might possibly be able to start one?

Thanks.

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user1234
user1234
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Hello Hugh, I’ve come across a couple of sites that do something like that, have a look:
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com
https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

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danny
danny
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

There is a group called Covid assembly that was linked on here this week who are attempting to put that together. They have asked for contributors, everything from researchers down to proof readers. Might be worth offering your help as I have done. For now though, try the worldometer site (or something like that). Has lots of handy stats.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

John Hopkins University also have a lot of data heavy resources on this stuff. Check their website

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

This is another interesting place to check out: https://www.pandata.org/

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Ivor Cummins makes comparisons of Covid death rates, in relation to previous flu seasons, for various countries on his fat emporor website. He uses the concept of “dry tinder” from previous mild flu seasons, to explain differences in Covid death rates between Sweden and other Scandinavian countries for example.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Gardner

Fantastic, thanks all, will check out these sites

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rational actor
rational actor
5 years ago

I need to have my story absolutely straight, so help me understand how a mask that does not protect me nevertheless protects other people. How is this even logically possible? The only thing I can come up with is that masks are one-way permeable: they stop/filter most or all of what I breathe out but do not filter anything I breathe in. Do such masks exist? Has anyone seen a persuasive explanation of this phenomenon, or is it just one of those officious pronouncements we are all supposed to take on trust?

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

The masks have magical and mystical properties. Including signifying that their wearers will be taking the vaccine and therefore terminating their bloodlines. Good.

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rational actor
rational actor
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

This is exactly the kind of thing I am trying to establish: that this is nothing more than the magical thinking of pseuds anxious to exert public influence. But seriously, I am looking for any explanation at all of how this supposedly works. Does anyone have any references for this phenomenon at all, either ‘scientific’ (ha) or just an article purporting to describe the mechanism by which masks work one way but not the other? I am getting into a mask fight and need to be prepared, but I also think this bullshit needs to be closely examined in the light because so many people seem to be suckered by it.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that masks reduce the transmission of respiratory viruses. Period.

For me the mask has three main purposes: 1) A compliance test; 2) A psychological transformation ritual; 3) A guarantor of oral and respiratory illness.

The psychopaths who have come up with these vicious mandates harbour a visceral hatred of humanity. So much so that they cannot stand the sight of our faces, especially when we express happiness and joy. It is a diabolical, yet completely brilliant, attack on everything it means to be human. Our enemy knows us better than we know ourselves.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

the mask has three main purposes: 1) A compliance test; 2) A psychological transformation ritual; 3) A guarantor of oral and respiratory illness.

Spot on Richard.

Last edited 5 years ago by Llamasaurus Rex
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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well said. If this virus has become a new religion then the mask signifies your adherence to that faith. It’s nothing to do with common sense or logic but blind faith.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well said, but they certainly don’t know me very well because I’m resisting that hatred with all my might.

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JudyMilne
JudyMilne
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Judging by the proliferation of shops selling beautifully designed muzzles, I think they’ve also become a must have fashion accessory.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

It’s all based on two studies. One is the masks and hamsters study.

https://fightcovid19.hku.hk/hku-hamster-research-shows-masks-effective-in-preventing-covid-19-transmission/

And another which I can’t be bothered looking for whch used a high resolution slow mo camera to capture the view of droplets exhaled during coughing with or without a masks. Powerful visually but of course proves absolutely nothing when it comes to infection prevention. It just plays on the common sense fallacy that viruses are transmitted in such obvious ways. The truth is we don’t really know very well hence the poor effect of NPIs in general.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

I think they base it on a study using hamster,s from Hong Kong, I think and the fact the clients of a mask wearing hairdresser in the USA didn’t catch it. I’ve since been looking if any statistics exist for clients of infected hairdressers who weren’t wearing masks.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Just thought of an alternative ‘Last Supper’ with Jesus and all his disciples
wearing masks. Except Judas. Or would the opposite be better? Nobody but Judas wearing a mask?

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

Nappies trap those pesky virus-laden droplets you keep expelling, so that your mouth and nose can wallow in them. Other people, likewise, wallow in their own virus-laden droplets. So you are protected from one another.

When the droplets dry, of course, the virus whangs its way through the nappy and another person gets your virus and you get theirs. Thus you are all given a double chance of getting a dose of virus.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

We need to exchange small numbers of viruses with each other so that our immune systems can be primed ready for all the infections that are present in the population.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

In lieu of a mask you can carry a rabbits foot or some other lucky charm like a rosary or a St Christopher. It has the same effect as a mask.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Wear a face nappy to protect rabbits.They need their feet.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

A St. Christopher is not going to harm your bronchial tract but might get you done for ‘hate speech’.

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l835
l835
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

My ancestors wore garlic round their necks to eep them safe from plague. It worked as I am here.

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rose
rose
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

When I was in junior school in the 60s a friend of mine used to come to school with half an onion in her pocket to ward off colds, flu etc

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  rose

Did she have many friends?

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rose
rose
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Only me!!

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watashi
watashi
5 years ago
Reply to  rose

I know a lot of people that swear by onions for colds/viruses..onion sliced on feet, onion chopped on chest, onion beside bed etc

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

I liberally spread garlic mayo on my face and on any surfaces upon which fomites may settle. I’m still alive and well.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

And vampires.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Or ‘a pocket full of posies’. Mediaeval superstition.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

The posies were made of medicinal herbs. Not as naive as they sound.
Unfortunately, as we now know, the plague was spread by fleas, not by an airborn pathogen.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Not quite; check out “Thieve’s Oil” on Duckduckgo.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

More hygienic too!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

You can vape through a cloth mask and expel cigarette smoke, says it all.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

https://videos.files.wordpress.com/4egEyh2b/masks-aerosols-dr-ted-noel_dvd.mp4
Swiss Policy Research – mask experiment

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Thank you

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Templeton
Templeton
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

any feedback on that clip from mask supporters that it has been sent to?
Ive said to a few people about this, that wear glasses and get steamed up….it still doesnt “click”.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Templeton

I have posted about every other topic but not masks – it seems to be the thing everyone gets most angry about. As you say – they should be able to suss it out the same way we have really. I’d love to hear what effect others have made though

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Suzyv
Suzyv
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

Masks that most are wearing do nothing at all other than reduce oxygen and increase carbon dioxide for the wearer. There are also studies somewhere to show that they actually increase your chances of respiratory infections. I cannot believe how stupid the vast majority are being.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

The masks don’t work so the Gov’t has resorted to guilt tripping. Ultimately, other people’s health is not your responsibility

They will try this nonsense with the vaccines. They’ll say it’s not to protect you – it’s to protect others

But if the vaccine protects the recipient, then that should be enough

If other people’s health is our responsibility then we should be taking cigarettes and junk food out of the mouths of strangers and shaming them to exercise and eat healthily

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Carlo
Carlo
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Had that on an FB group saying that if I don’t get the needle I am “Selfish”.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

I keep asking this question and get very few replies and the ones that attempt to explain it are completely nonsensical. The only logical partial explanation I can think of is that if someone coughs or sneezes without covering their mouth, then their mask would catch the droplets. Yuk! I prefer to cover my mouth with a tissue (or elbow) thank you. Of course, there is no logical response to the question. The question should be “why would the lie that masks protect the wearer but do protect others be perpetuated by governments and the MSM?” The reason is the same reason that the myth that “no immunity to the virus exists even if you have had it.” Of course, it is to ensure mass compliance to masks, other restrictions and vaccines with NO EXCEPTIONS.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

I can’t wait for those clean crisp cold frosty Scottish mornings when we can see our breath. Mornings like that make me glad to be alive.

What will the masked gimps think when they can still see their breath escaping from their covered up mouth…will the penny drop I wonder.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Nah, they’re too thick.They’ll assume the virus has been magically trapped by the muzzle.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

Follow the money, huge contracts have been awarded to supply PPE so the fat greedy maggots in power are making millions ££££ why let a good thing go to waste, fuck our health let’s make some money so I can finally put a new roof on the family estate and build a new summer house.

Even the packet say not to be used for PPE!!! And if there really was a human killing deadly virus on the loose the army would be on the streets giving out free PPE to save us we wouldn’t have to buy them from the supermarket or Poundland.

Bloody hell the masks have a better profit margin than heroin or cocaine. It’s the Pablo Escobar model.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

This whole farrago has SFA to do with health, but a lot to do with wealth.. theirs !

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Simon
Simon
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

The name PPE is a givaway. Personal protective equipment.

The mask nonsense is like saying; I wear steel toe capped boots to protect your feet…..

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

Do you know, I think insofar as it is productive to view the phenomenon of mask mandates as a purposeful component in public health policy rather than as a proto-facist measure deriving from hysteria, groupthink and compliance, it is actually this simple: it seeks to ensure that everyone uses a tissue when sneezing, by fixing the tissue in front of the face. The mask is a precautionary Kleenex. It would be quite reasonable to describe sneezing into a tissue as an act based on courtesy towards other people.
It is indeed very similar to the function of nappies: babies can’t control their bowels, so the lavatory (in the form of the nappy) has to be fixed in place all the time. The nappy is a precautionary loo. Probably babies don’t gain much, at least at first, from being nappied; the benefit is all for the people around them.
I won’t waste anyone’s time by pointing out the manifest errors – social, psychological, ethical, political, legal – involved in a society forcing its citizens to reconceive of themselves, and each other, as infantile leaking containers of waste.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Masks contain viruses in the same way that multiple layers of clothing contain fart smells.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

It’s more a wet fart argument I’m afraid.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

The alleged efficacy of masks is based on droplet theory ie if you haven’t got a mask on you could be spreading the disease via coughs and sneezes.

I doubt this could have anything but minimal impact. The government were telling us all to stay at home if we had symptoms in the first lockdown. Most people are either too embarassed or too socially responsible to circulate in public in such circumstances, I don’t recall encountering a single cougher or sneezer when out and and about in shops for several weeks during the first lockdown. Add to that the undoubted heightened risk of touch transmission from mask fiddling and I really can’t see masks having the claimed effects. Indeed all studies up until the WHO switcheroo have shown only v weak or zero evidence for masks preventing viral infection spread.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

Judy my blood boils when I hear cases such as this, our elders are being treated dreadfully, because of the actions of the state.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

This is nothing short of genocide against the elderly. The perpetrators must face a justice no less than that which was meted out at Nuremberg. Lengthy custodial sentences are the absolute minimum. To include not just the politicians and bureaucrats who ordered it but anyone in the medical establishment that followed their orders.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

A better punishment, in my opinion, would be to confiscate all their assets and then sell them into slavery. In the case of politicians this must include their families for three generations.

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nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Not exactly genocide. They’re just collateral damage. Along with so many others. Which suggests to me the desperation of the people perpetrating this fraud.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

I’m back and, as far as Test & Trace are concerned, I’m still not believing their numbers, as in “Look at those ‘positive’ percentages in Pillar 2! I don’t bloody believe it!” Image below shows my tidied up version of Table 1 from the T&T data spreadsheet here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/936616/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w24.ods Full details of their ‘findings’ can be found on this page: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-5-november-to-11-november/weekly-statistics-for-nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-5-november-to-11-november Between 5 November and 11 November, 1,742,654 people were tested for coronavirus (COVID-19) at least once in the reporting week, an increase of 12% on the previous week. Since Test and Trace launched 11,580,277 people have been tested at least once. 1.7 million? Pull the other one! Between 5 November and 11 November, 167,369 people tested positive in the latest reporting week. This is 9.6% of people tested during this week. 9.6%! Jesus! Notice that they don’t breakdown the numbers for the separate ‘Pillars’ on this page; you need to go to the data tables to see that. Pillar 1: 419,903 people, 5.5% positive Pillar 2: 1,322,751 people, 10.9% positive Definitions, in case of doubt: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-methodology/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-methodology pillar 1: swab testing for the virus in labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Jeremy Vine show yesterday: The Expert boasted that ‘we are now doing half a million tests daily and by March it will be a million every day’.
Mind you he also claimed that the tests were being carried out with greatest clinical rigour so had clearly not seen Despatches the previous evening.

Another expert declared that Track’n’Trace was designed not to work while a Track’n’Trace operative said the whole thing should be repurposed to target vulnerable contacts only and leave the rest of us alone.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

In Northern Ireland they claim T and T locates 95% of contacts.

https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/covid-19-coronavirus/testing-and-tracing-covid-19/contact-tracing-service-management-information

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago

I think Toby ought to focus on the fact that government does want to stop talk about the Covid vaccines and ask why, rather than assume the policy is just mistaken. He is also wrong that there is a mysterious British vaccine court that paid out substantial damages over Pandemrix and narcolepsy. The injured can whistle.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

It would appear that PP is using the domestic abusers defence ‘ Yes I did it and I’m very sorry, but you didn’t support me or point out to me that I was abusing you. Therefore it is your fault’

A dictatorship that says it ok to break the law as long as it’s only in a limited way

Executing only the dissidents whilst sparing the others is acting in a limited way

The person in charge of the internal security forces of the country is now primed and ready to act in any way the dictator demands

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annie
annie
5 years ago

I like the Devil’s Dictiinary. But if you want to indicate a cross-reference, the abbreviation to use is ‘cf.’, not ‘qv’, which stands for quod vide, ‘which see’.’.

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Graham
Graham
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Not sure I agree. I think q.v. is fine for a cross-reference; cf. stands for ‘confer’, Latin for ‘compare’, which is also fine but has a different nuance. For a fine musty academic flavour perhaps we should also have bibliographic references with ‘op. cit.’, ‘ibid.’ and so on. I am spending lockdown on honing and sharpening my pedantry.

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Not to out-pedant, but . . .
Not to out-pedant, but . . .
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

‘q.v.’ is used after a word to mean “look up the entry for the word I just used.” (See all the examples in the OED.) ‘cf.’ is “see, by way of comparison” or “compare.” If you just mean “see” or “see also,” you’re stuck with English.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago

People should not make the mistake of assuming things will go back to normal once the vaccines have been widely deployed.

If the government had wanted to restore normality, this could have been done by the early summer at the latest. Instead it has done everything possible to prolong the emergency, with masks, quarantine, testing and now more lockdown – all of them totally pointless in their own terms.

What is happening now is all about UN ‘sustainability’ goals,the WEF ‘Great Reset’ and establishing an inescapable electronic control grid based around health surveillance. Notice how former freedoms like celebrating Christmas with whom we want are now becoming privileges – that is the shape of things to come.

All this needs to be decisively rejected.

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John Smith
John Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It’ll be all over long before we get to the vaccine roll out stage. Mark my words.

They’re finished and all their many crimes against humanity are about to be exposed.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

I like your confidence! What do you know that we don’t?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

I do think this ends with Hancock in jail. Otherwise we won’t be living in a world I recognise as real

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I understand (my terminology may be incorrect) that Michael O’Bernicia has a warrant out for Hancock’s arrest and it is before a judge now. Unfortunately, the judge presided at the kangaroo trial of Julian Assange.

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JudyMilne
JudyMilne
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

I hope you’re right🙏

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

I can’t see it.We now live in a world where the it’s reported that the Prime Minister is mulling over how much time we can spend with our families at Christmas and no one stops and questions it.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

We should start mulling over how much longer he should stay at #10 Downing Street.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

New figures came out in France yesterday. There have been 35,335 excess deaths this year (compared to the average for 2018 and 2019) from 1/3 to 2/11, compared to 36,102 COVID deaths. Since 1/6, there have been 10,775 excess deaths compared to 7,523 deaths after a positive test within 28 days. But the trend has been that the excess deaths have been increasing by about 2 per day since 1st June. The recent spate of COVID deaths is noticeable but there are other spikes such as mid August where it peaked at over 250 per day. The worrying trend is that there are more excess deaths not from COVID (probably around 8-9,000) in this period compared to maybe 2-3,000 from COVID. Presumably from the governments’ fear campaigns stopping people going to hospital. Looking at the UK, we see a similar pattern, and it looks quite possible that we have lost nearly as many lives to the reaction to COVID than from COVID itself over the whole year – this will of course only get worse. Take another indicator, heart disease deaths were up by around 4,000 and ” Malignant neoplasm of colon sigmoid rectum and anus” by also around 4,000… Read more »

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

It’s in plain sight but never reported. Here is the Public Health Agency for Northern Ireland and their CV Bulletin. If you look at it there is a slightly above 5 year average level of deaths for most months. But look at June to September. A huge amount are non covid and continue to weigh heavily on the overall number of deaths.

https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/publications/coronavirus-bulletin

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

“We have thrown away the lives and freedoms of our young (and all) people, and destroyed hundreds of millions in the LEDCs, for the sake of a relatively small number of (mainly) very old people.”

The idea we did this to save old vulnerable people is itself a lie – in fact they were the first under the bus.

This was done to destroy our prosperity and enslave us. No one is being saved here.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

The young are being asked to cancel living their lives to protect those who’ve already lived their lives

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

The young are being lied to and if they cancel living their lives it will not protect those that have already lived their lives. Those who have already lived most their lives are being cancelled too and they are being killed through negligent care and medical treatment which anybody currently obeying this government is facilitating.

None of this was done for the sake of any people. If we accept this interpretation of our governments actions we are only helping to spread their propaganda.

There was never any good evidence to support the claims that these actions would save any lives.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

https://www.aier.org/article/cost-of-us-lockdowns-a-preliminary-report/

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Stop it then.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

I would agree the lockdowns have cost the lives of many who were not old, but this sacrifice was not made to save the lives of old people. All deaths welcome news to Boris and his gang of thugs. The old were were thrown out of hospital and placed into under resourced care/nursing homes and were then left without proper medical care for weeks on end. Those unlucky oldies who found themselves in hospital during the lockdown could also expect little or no treatment and were subject to arbitrary DNR notices. In general old people were treated appallingly and they will be again, if the criminal UK government thinks it can get away with it.

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

The lockdown is so effective that infection rates went down even before it started. The virus must be running scared !

How does anyone still believe in this nonsense – even Lewis Carrol couldn’t have dreamt it up.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Of course it is all total nonsense. But it has been good enough to keep the majority of people terrified of dying since March – and obedient to the regime.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Well, Laurence, given the same thing happened in March, there is now clear evidence that the virus knows what is coming and acts accordingly….

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Maybe they’re all on whatever he was – and more of it

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

Personally speaking Friday is a better day than Sunday for pots and pans. I was going to say because of church, but seeing as how so many Christians have gone along with the restrictions, that maybe a trifle academic.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I would be delighted to bang pots and pans outside my former church on Sundays. It might frighten away the Covid devil that the muzzled morons are worshipping inside.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Friday is the Muslim holy day but I’m sure they would join in given how they and their family-based lifestyle and religious festivals have been destroyed by the Covid response.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

From the LifeLine article:

The law banning public Mass appears to be in direct violation of Article 44 of the Irish Constitution, which states “The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion. Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.”

A priest has been threatened with six months’ imprisonment for allowing people to attend Mass. Plainly a colossal threat to public order and morality.

What price a written Constitution?

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

They will say that the public health crisis is covered under “public order and morality”, justifying the restrictions.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago

IMMUNE SYSTEM
HAS NO
SIDE EFFECTS

Small sticker for lampposts &c?

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Graham
Graham
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

It’s great but I’m sorry to say that most people won’t understand it. Needs expanding. How about ‘Vaccines sometimes have side effects. Your immune system never has side effects.’

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham

Too wordy. This sticker needs pictures to mean anything to zombies

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p02099003
p02099003
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Not strictly true, an overactive immune system can precipitate sepsis.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

Is the incidence of sepsis from over active immune system very common in the population at large?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

And seizures.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

So go for the hardly tested and free of all liability, DNA altering vaccine.

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

and is free! doesn’t boost the coffers of pharma companies!

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

Any illusion that Britain is a country of independent minded, freedom loving and feisty individualists has been completely blown out of the water over the last few months. The country that produced The Monster Raving Loony Party, The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, The Life of Brian and Haggis clearly no longer exists; Boaty McBoatface merely a recent aberration that proves the rule. We are all British Leyland Austin Allegros now, with mandatory square steering wheels……. Why? Poor state education, based on PISA scores, teaching to exam grades, not for breadth of knowledge, a questioning mind, the search for some objective truth, must have played some part. But the National Health Service must also take its share of the blame for Britain’s cultural shift. The NHS pill for everything, doctors prescription culture has bred a slavish adherence to ‘nurse knows best’. Blood pressure higher than newly reduced thresholds? There’s a pill for that: statins. Feeling a bit woolly headed (can be caused by statins): early onset dementia. There’s a pill for that, and so on……. As the veil of statistical tomfoolery is gradually lifted, nothing could be clearer, shouting from the rooftops, than the need for root and branch reform of… Read more »

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Rockefeller (big pharma) funding medical schools all over the world.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Agree. Mega foundations have played their part in this madness:

‘Once upon a time, the mega-foundations established a goal and sought experts to do independent research on how to achieve it. Today many donors and program officers have preconceived notions about social problems and solutions. They fund researchers who are likely to design studies that will support their ideas. Instead of reviewing proposals from outside the foundation, they hire existing nonprofits or set up new ones to implement projects they’ve designed themselves. The mode of operation is top-down; grantees serve their funders.’

‘Meanwhile, the public needs more critical, in-depth information. The mainstream media are, for the most part, failing miserably in their watchdog duties. They give big philanthropy excessive deference and little scrutiny. Public television and radio live on big philanthropy’s largess. Collaborative programming with mega-foundations has undermined the credibility of major for-profit news organizations as well as public media, especially on health and education issues.’

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/plutocrats-at-work-how-big-philanthropy-undermines-democracy (2013)

But we let them……..

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Unfortunately most people are now unaware of who the Rockefeller family are, how they make their fortune and why they developed an interest in medicine. There is some good information out there such as this – Rockefeller Medicine (video) https://youtu.be/X6J_7PvWoMw

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

R Wood Johnson, Michael Bloomberg, most likely the IMF, the World Bank, George Soros, the European Parliament, the British Government (PHE),
plus you, the taxpayers, are funding medical schools all over the world.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

For over a century!

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The chances of COVID-19 harm coming to these young, fit, soldiers must be very great – what puts them at so much risk? Apart from the wars and stuff? Wouldn’t it just be typical if some poor soldier lost his/her life in combat, spluttered at the end…and was registered as a CV death? No offence intended, genuinely; just pointing out the absurdity.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

And the belief in the ‘gender’ nonsense is all part of the same thing. Poorly educated young people told that mammals can change sex, that a desire to wear particular clothes and lipstick is somehow inherent in one mammalian species, and that banning men from female lavatories is ‘hate crime’; all acting as the useful idiots of pharmaceutical companies and the homophobic Christian Right in America, which would rather have a mutilated pseudo-daughter than a gay son.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Bollocks.

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Peter Tabord
Peter Tabord
5 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

But there are people who for one reason or another have to present as other than their biological sex. There aren’t very many of them, they almost all don’t want to draw attention to themselves, and they do not deserve to be lumped in with the lunatic extremists of the ‘trans lobby’.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Tabord

Nobody has to ‘present as’ the stereotyped behavioural norms that society apparently attributes to their biological sex. It doesn’t mean that they have to pretend to be the other one or that anyone will be taken in when they do.
Rejecting stereotypes is free. That’s why it is discouraged.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

There was an item somewhere about soldiers not being trained in rifle shooting properly because gunnery sergeants can’t put their arms around then to correct their stance.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

That will be a tactical kevlar face nappy.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

True, I am amazed how it is my previously lefty, protesting ex-student rebel friends, many of whom are in the arts, who are the most slavish adherents to the new mask and isolate cult. I have been ridiculed, called a Q fan and cancelled by so many on Facebook for my views. Their loss.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

But they’re doing it for ‘the vulnerable’!

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Do you think there might be some element of karmic repercussion due to some of the bad shit of colonialization and empire, when Britain ‘ waived the rules’? So much good stuff from all parts of our history have been assimilated into many countries and have made the UK redundant in many ways. Ironically the one permanent strength, our culture, arts and history that bring the world here is being ruined in this madness.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  David Grimbleby

In my view, we consistently underestimate the goodwill that exists towards this country all over the world because of all the good stuff.

Of course animosity also exists, but not, I think, to anything like the same degree.

Let us hope that some good will come of this madness. Maybe a younger generation will realise that the good things in life so long taken for granted can all too easily be taken away by ‘Big State’ incompetence and bureaucratic bigotry.

Another beneficial result may be much needed constitutional and institutional reform, even a renewed sense of national purpose to get out into the wider world and trade with all our many friends around the globe.

The extended reach, capability, with which our armed forces now offer our friends and allies, even once more as far afield as the Pacific Ocean, must be exploited, particularly by the trading advantage that a new Royal Yacht would bring in its wake.

Trade follows influence and influence follows from military capability…..always has, always will, the world as it is rather than, perhaps, as we would wish it to be……

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Albie
Albie
5 years ago

Regardless of what we think about vaccines, surely it will end lockdown, or so you’d think. I’m wondering what SAGE will think up to keep themselves relevant. They’ve loved every second of this year, the power they have had in inducing fear, the attention from the media with endless interviews. They aren’t going to give that up. Will it be another 6 month lockdown from March as “we don’t know if the vaccine will work, you see”. ?

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Vaccines dovetail with immunity passports and surveillance, cashless society, loss of autonomy, poverty. A dystopia gleefully described in the World Economic Forum’s websites. Vaccines will be regular and a condition for life. The start of human enslavement

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

And feed everyone digital Soma (aka SOcial Media Addiction). “I own nothing…AND I’M HAPPY”

Last edited 5 years ago by Llamasaurus Rex
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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

I don’t own much, but we did do lots of holidays and other stuff – and we were happy. I don’t want to own stuff – I just want to be free to do stuff.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Yes, I agree with the implication that “ownership”doesn’t make one happy. but I’d rather accumulate enough to afford to eat, shelter, enjoy life…now and when I retire…without dependence on an elite who may decide one day I’m no longer worth financing through their ‘largesse’. Plus I’d rather possess the stuff that I’ve chosen to buy, than ‘they’ take it from me. I challenge their divine right to own me and my stuff.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

The Old Guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vvDg8HYO4

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

The Expert on Jeremy Vines show on Thursday said “things would not start to get back to normal until late next year, even with a vaccine”.
Many think JV is a plonker but he does have a large audience.

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String
String
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Someone on one of these shows I flicked over recently – oh no, she said, things won’t indeed get back to normal even March, April, because you see, we might have a small seasonal flu outbreak…& we’ll need to control the virus, perhaps we will see incidents of TB, of course, maybe we will see ‘cases’ rising in that category, & we all know what happens when cases rise…!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Genuine question.

Do SAGE do anything else? Given CV-19 is such a nothing burger do they look at other issues of importance or do they just run Fergusons doom model over and over, equivalent to playing a computer game at this point

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Ferguson’s Model is more like Manic Miner. Written in BBC Basic.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Vaccines will lead to a new surveillance state with the introduction of a health/digital passport.On the subject of Sage,they will be relevant as long as the government need a scientific veneer to continue the oppression.It is a common misconception even on here that the government are following Sages advice rather than Sage making the science fit the Government agenda.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Let’s wait ten years.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Daily Mail: Is Boris Johnson running UK by WhatsApp, prompted by Carrie Symonds?.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971571/Is-Boris-Johnson-running-Britain-secret-WhatsApp.html

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

The pictures of Boris and Carrie look much like a Granddaughter taking Grandad out for a walk from his care home. Good to know the Country is in such safe hands.
Puts me in mind of the Eagles song ‘Lying eyes’.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

PD/PNN should be shown some love. The kind dispensed my MiniLove.

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danny
danny
5 years ago

Front page of the Daily Mail today online. Reads like a page from this website. At last a direct challenge to the narrative coming from a mainstream paper.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The Trouble is the Daily Mail seems to be a schizophrenic news paper sceptic one day, zealot the next.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It’s been more consistently sceptic recently, but then goes mental over things like the mink.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

they had an interview with Neil Ferguson yesterday-highly entertaining, making assertions he can’t back up. Then that’s published alongside a sceptical article. Slowly people will compare and contrast and realise that Ferguson is washed up. Can’t they give him an OBE?

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Exactly! Go further down the web site and there’s an article declaring 70,000 Covid deaths in the UK. Schizoid or what.

Just so long as the true sceptic headlines are given the prominence that they deserve, we can only hope.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago

On waking this morning I remembered chatting with a frail elderly pensioner a few weeks ago who was queuing outside a chemist to collect a prescription. He was forced to stand in the rain because of lockdown rules (customer limits) and was struggling to breathe through a face mask

The exchange broke my heart. I could see depression and loneliness in his eyes. He lived alone since the death of his wife and didn’t see a soul. Life was already a struggle and the things that made life worth living had been arbitrarily banned by politicians – no visitors allowed in his home. No friends. No family. No human contact

And that’s what makes me angry and sad. The benign rules designed to protect health which are in fact the essence of cruelty designed to break the human soul

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Yes, I see old people like that all the time. I even wrote to my MP describing one example. Heartbreaking, and the perpetrators of this crime couldn’t care less. More disturbingly, the great majority of everyone else don’t seem to care either – lobotomised zombies in their own little emotional and cerebral closets.

And even fewer people seem to care about the consequences of this shit-show for the Developing World.

What an evil thing moral rectitude is.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Where I work, during my walks and trips to the supermarket, I always feel sorry for elderly people clearly struggling with being muzzled but many of them are clearly afraid of challenging the prevailing orthodoxy. I remember urging a visitor to claim exemption after he admitted to me that he had trouble breathing and was constantly light headed but he said he won’t as he’s afraid of infecting other people.

Jesus wept.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Hopeless cases, you can only pray for them.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

These are the things that make all of us here weep – the small children in masks and the old people struggling along the road with their shopping trolleys etc, not able to breathe freely and hygienically. They can’t possibly understand how their government has deceived them – they have lived through times when the powers in charge were actually on their side – it is inconceivable to them that this could not be the case.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

You describe it perfectly. It is evil. And the media is complicit

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

It’s heartbreaking, and not getting any easier to tolerate this evil.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

They are not benign rules design to protect health. They are evil rules designed to terrorise the population into compliance with the states every dictate however harmful and absurd that may be.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Instead of promoting exercise, getting outside, breathing unhindered fresh air, eating a healthy diet, obtaining vitamin D, maintaining and creating nurturing social networks, receiving medical treatment, enjoying education and employment goals, the Government is forcing contrary measures

And it’s happening worldwide. So I’m forced to question if governments do indeed want us dead
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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Governments want what Bill Gates has bribed them to want and Bill really does want us dead. He has the technology and all we have to do is roll up our sleeves.

Last edited 5 years ago by Rowan
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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Yes. The Gov’t and the MSM presents them as benign, but they are far from it

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

The bastards doing this should be publicly shamed. But like that California governor they slime out of it …

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

Fairly soon Parliament will consider the replacement to the current English 4 week lock-down, most of these lock-down rules are imposed by statutory instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act 1984. At the start of these SIs there is a stated premise for making the rules, for example the Face-mask one states; The Secretary of State makes the following Regulations in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 45C(1), (3)(c), (4)(b), (4)(d), 45F(2) and 45P of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984(a). These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARSCoV-2) in England. The Secretary of State considers that the restrictions and requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to that threat.  So each MP must ask themselves; Is the Public Health act an appropriate Act under which to pass these SIs (in my view it is not) Is there a serious and imminent threat to Public Health sufficient to justify the passing of an SI, given that Public Health actions by SIs… Read more »

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Have you had anything at all out of Cox recently? I haven’t.

It’s as if none of this is any of his concern, still less that we his constituents are entitled to know anything of his views.

I’m thinking of lodging a formal complaint with the constituency Conservative Association. I’ve already written to them once, and had no reply.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

No, I get an automatic reply saying he is so busy he cannot read anything for about 3 weeks and then I hear no more. I have been firing off emails and tweets to other MPs on the basis that if you throw enough mud at a blanket eventually some if it will stick!

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

South Australian strain C-19.The only link is this so far. In usual tabloid style speaking of the deadly virus, but the last quotation below says it all. But if it is spreading faster it will have advantages over other strains around and will potentially cause enormous difficulties for any vaccine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962949/Covid-19-strain-outbreak-Australia-spreads-FIVE-TIMES-quicker-nor

“A strain of C-19 behind an outbreak inSouth Australia may be spreading up to five times quicker than normal, officials fear. 
Professor Nicola Spurrier, chief health officer for South Australia, claimed people are becoming contagious within 24 hours of catching the virus.  
In theory, this could make the virus spread five times faster than usual, considering research has shown people typically are their most infectious around five days after exposure.
Professor Spurrier added: ‘The other characteristic of the cases we have seen so far is they have had minimal symptoms and sometimes no symptoms but have been able to pass it to other people

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

In which case we should end restrictions, focus on boosting the immune system and live life. Life is meant to be lived

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

What a terrifying new strain this one is! It makes you even less ill than the last one..

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

PoshPanic, you’re sounding a little like a denier….next you’ll be denying the existence of llamacorns. We all know they exist. Be kind, save lives, stay safe.
😉

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Carausius
Carausius
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

If you look at the Mail story it’s dated 18 November, revised 19 November. The revelation that this assumption it was a super virulent strain was debunked in the BBC story dated 20 November cited in the post above (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55011790). The Mail story seems to be completely unaware of the pizza worker catalyst so it rather looks as if they weren’t keeping up with current events when they posted that story. The lockdown is to end three days early as a result of the revelation though officials in SA are of course trying to save face by insisting they did the right thing with their instant lockdown, while conceding that it’s up to the public if they want to see it as a ‘stuff-up’:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/21/south-australian-officials-say-coronavirus-lockdown-no-stuff-up-after-pizza-workers-lie

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alw
alw
5 years ago

Seen elsewhere. “ they are grooming you for a vaccination.” Never a truer phrase…

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Not just vaccination, but compliance to technology. We are to be branded by tech. Immunity passports, QR codes will be used to control our lives. No freedom or anonymity

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gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

I got sent a QR code to use along with a reminder to have a flu vaccine yesterday. I was asked to use it as it will save millions of trees and the millions the NHS currently has to spend on postage. I had no idea the NHS was worried about the cost of mail right now…

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Agreed, that conclusion is inescapable. Klaus Scwab’s also a big fan of nano-tech, isn’t he? Let’s shove some Luciferase into the vaccine, whilst we are at it. I know that Luciferase’s etymology links to Luciferin….interesting to deploy the name of the Lord of Darkness.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Correction:Schwab.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

compliance to technology

digital Soma (aka SOcial Media Addiction) is important in the mix. Getting the masses hooked psychologically; control the information conduit; destroy empathic traits and engender narcissistic ones; then, keep increasing the dependence. It’s been happening a long while now, and some digital Soma founders have recanted…and the guilt haunts them.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

The time to say “no” starts now.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I can’t be groomed. I have a nasty bite.

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alw
alw
5 years ago

Have just posted Carl Heneghen’s Speccie article on my Facebook timeline. Waiting to see what happens. Normally only use for Scrabble.

Last edited 5 years ago by alw
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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Nice one!

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Being censored.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

It’s still there.

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