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by Jonathan Barr
22 November 2020 3:28 AM

Lockdown 2.0 to End in Tiers

Boris is expected to announce his post-lockdown Covid plans on Monday. The Telegraph has the details.

England’s national lockdown will end on Dec 2nd but be replaced by a new harsher three-tier system, Boris Johnson will announce on Monday.

More areas will be placed into the higher tiers than before the lockdown after warnings from SAGE scientists that the previous levels of restrictions were not strong enough and a tougher regional approach was needed.

The Telegraph can also reveal that everywhere from factories and offices to towns and cities will be blitzed with mass testing if cases start to rise, under plans to be set out this week.

The Prime Minister’s “Covid winter plan” is expected to place more areas into the higher tiers to ensure further restrictions are not needed.

While some local measures will be similar to those in the previous system, some tiers will be strengthened to safeguard the gains made during the national lockdown.

Last night it emerged that the 10pm curfew for restaurants and pubs – which has been severely criticised by Tory MPs – is likely to be extended to 11pm when the tiers are published on Monday.   

Final details will be signed off at a meeting of the Cabinet today. Details of the new tougher tiers system, which comes into force on Dec 3rd, will be announced on Monday, with the final decision on which areas are in which tiers on Thursday. The plan will set out how people will be able to spend their Christmas, but ministers have made clear that the ­festive season will be different to ­normal, with some restrictions expected to remain in place.

This is sad news indeed, not least as it suggests the lockdown logic of the likes of Professor Ferguson is still dominating Downing Street thinking, with small relief to be taken from the curfew on bars being moved to 11pm. Happily it looks like Boris can expect stiff resistance from the Conservative back benches.

Boris Johnson’s plans for a new toughened three-tiered system to replace the national lockdown next week is under threat after 70 Conservative MPs threatened to veto the plans in Parliament. The Tory MPs on Saturday wrote to the Prime Minister saying they could not support further new restrictions if the Government does not publish an economic analysis of the impact of the restrictions… The number of signatories to the letter is more than enough than the 43 Tory MPs to defeat the Government’s 85-strong working majority in the Commons if Labour votes against the plans when they are put to MPs next week.

Referring to the previous tiered system of restrictions, which were not as onerous as the ones set to be proposed this week, the Conservative MPs told Mr Johnson: “The tiered restrictions approach in principle attempts to link virus prevalence with measures to tackle it, but it’s vital we remember always that even the tiered system of restrictions infringes deeply upon people’s lives with huge health and economic costs.”

It is also worth listening to the Planet Normal podcast interview with Steve Baker, Vice-Char of the Covid Recovery group, on the prospects of a back bench rebellion.

Stop Press: A Telegraph survey has found that one in four will break the rules at Christmas.

There is No Asymptomatic Spread

A new paper in Nature has struck a blow against the Covid orthodoxy of asymptomatic spread. Following the lockdown, the city government of Wuhan conducted a city-wide nucleic acid screening for SARS-CoV-2. It was carried out on an impressive scale:

There were 10,652,513 eligible people aged ≥6 years in Wuhan (94.1% of the total population). The nucleic acid screening was completed in 19 days (from May 14th, 2020 to Jun 1st, 2020), and tested a total of 9,899,828 persons from the 10,652,513 eligible people (participation rate, 92.9%). Of the 9899,828 participants, 9,865,404 had no previous diagnosis of COVID-19, and 34,424 were recovered COVID-19 patients.

The results make good reading for lockdown sceptics.

The detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases was very low, and there was no evidence of transmission from asymptomatic positive persons to traced close contacts. There were no asymptomatic positive cases in 96.4% of the residential communities.

Previous studies have shown that asymptomatic individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus were infectious, and might subsequently become symptomatic. Compared with symptomatic patients, asymptomatic infected persons generally have low quantity of viral loads and a short duration of viral shedding, which decrease the transmission risk of SARS-CoV-2. In the present study, virus culture was carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.

The report in Nature is a bit technical, but very much worth reading in full.

Lockdown Sceptics readers will recall that Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at the World Health Organisation, said the same thing about asymptomatic transmission at a WHO press conference on June 8th:

Question: It’s a question about asymptomatic transmission, if I may. I know the WHO’s previously said there are no documented cases of this. We had a story out of Singapore saying that at least half of the new cases they are seeing have no symptoms and I’m wondering whether its possible this has a bigger role than the WHO initially thought in propagating the pandemic.

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove: We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.

The comment drew sharp criticism at the time, and the WHO swiftly explained that there had been a “misunderstanding”. We will look out for a further update.

Stop Press: The Centre for Disease Control might also want to take a look at these results. They have just released new guidance saying that “Most SARS-CoV-2 infections are spread by people without symptoms“. Not in Wuhan they weren’t.

Covid Immunity is for the Long Haul

Another good news study. This time on the long-term immune responses to Covid. Details in Nature:

The immune system’s memory of the new coronavirus lingers for at least six months in most people. Sporadic accounts of coronavirus reinfection and reports of rapidly declining antibody levels have raised concerns that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 could dwindle within weeks of recovery from infection. Shane Crotty at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California and his colleagues analysed markers of the immune response in blood samples from 185 people who had a range of COVID-19 symptoms; 41 study participants were followed for at least 6 months. The team found that participants’ immune responses varied widely. But several components of immune memory of SARS-CoV-2 tended to persist for at least 6 months. 

The study has not been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal but it is the most comprehensive long-range study on immune memory to the coronavirus to date. The New York Times has further details.

Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.

“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease, for many years,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology who co-led the new study.

The research squares with findings from elsewhere.

The findings are consistent with encouraging evidence emerging from other labs. Researchers at the University of Washington, led by the immunologist Marion Pepper, had earlier shown that certain “memory” cells that were produced following infection with the coronavirus persist for at least three months in the body.

A study published last week also found that people who have recovered from COVID-19 have powerful and protective killer immune cells even when antibodies are not detectable.

This is happy news, but it came as no surprise to Dr Yeadon, commenting on the NYT article:

Genuinely good news, but not a surprise. Per the article, those recovered from SARS still have vigorous T-cell responses 17y later. Humans are good at becoming immune to this virus. That’s great. That’s why vaccines work yet will be needed by so few.

Twitter, @MichaelYeadon3 17 Nov 8.47 pm

The NYT article is worth reading in full.

You can read the study here.

Protests Spreading Faster than the Virus

A protestor holds aloft a quote from Dr Mike Yeadon at a rally in Bournemouth

Hundreds came out to march against the lockdown yesterday in Bournemouth, Liverpool, Basildon and Hyde Park. The Daily Mail has a full report.

At least 22 people have today been arrested after anti-lockdown protesters clashed with police when hundreds took to the streets in an ongoing fight against coronavirus restrictions.   

Rallies were held in Bournemouth, London and Liverpool, where a growing crowd chanted “freedom” as they marched through the city centre in the rain this afternoon.

The group in Merseyside were shepherded by police, who later moved in to make arrests, with some demonstrators seen being pepper sprayed as they grappled with officers on the ground. It is thought that the protest began at 1pm and started with around 100 people gathered on Church Street before the group grew significantly in size.

At least 13 people were arrested during the demonstration in Liverpool, Merseyside Police confirmed. Among those detained was a 36 year-old man from Kirkby, who was arrested on suspicion of assault of an emergency worker after an officer was pushed to the chest on Church Street.   

Rallies were also held in London, where the Metropolitan Police confirmed four were arrested for breach of COVID-19 regulations after gathering at Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park.

Officers confirmed those detained remained in custody this afternoon while the “remainder of the crowd have been dispersed”.     

Michael Walsh, of the Central West Command Unit, said: “We take reports of breaches of COVID-19 restrictions seriously. We are still in a pandemic and it is extremely selfish of a small minority of people to carry on without regard for the regulations.”

There were similar scenes on the south coast, with social distancing nowhere to be seen as activists marched through the seaside town of Bournemouth, holding placards reading “freedom” and “the pandemic is over”.

As street protests are repeatedly being met with arrests and dispersal orders, here’s an idea from a reader, previously posted in the comments, but worth flagging here following yesterday’s item.

Shall we set in motion “unarrestable” protests?

Say, on 1/12/20, i.e. before they renew lockdown from December 2nd, an en masse sit in in cars outside of parliament hooting horns.

Or in the queues caused by extra London cycle lanes.

Or on motorways (a go-slow, like when they tried to increase fuel duty).

Or even everyone, everywhere in the country wherever they are but at a given time (will have to be co-ordinated) all hooting their horns.

A bit like the gilets jaune protests but no-one is breaking the law

On the subject of protests, another reader has asked an interesting question.

Just curious in light of all the news about retailers going into administration. Why do you think they are not taking out full-page adverts in the major newspapers to complain about the lockdown?

Locally, various retail-park retailers including the Range, Poundland and B&M are still open and crammed to the gunwales with COVID-19-transmitting (ahem) people bringing their kids for a trip out, while TK Maxx, Debenhams and Ikea are closed.

Why have clothes and shoes shops been closed? Are they not selling essential items? All it’s done is force people who need ‘essential’ coats and shoes into the food retailers. It feels like the major non-food retailers are somehow benefitting from the enforced lockdown. How? Why? And why are the other retailers not complaining loudly?

Your comments welcomed! Sending this to my MP who will ignore it.

If anyone has thoughts on this, and feels like stepping in for the MP, do please get in touch here.

Round-Up

  • “The infantilising of the population over Covid is both medieval and immoral” – Janet Daley, in the Telegraph, tackling the infantilism lurking beneath the suggestion of a lockdown trade-off for family gatherings at Christmas
  • “Our lives belong to us, not the state. It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what can do at Christmas” – The reliably brilliant Lord Sumption in the Mail on Sunday
  • “Ellen Townsend – how lockdown harms children” – Laura Dodsworth talks to Professor Ellen Townsend of the Self-Harm Research Group at the University of Nottingham on the impact of lockdown on children and young people. Latest edition of her excellent podcast Freethinking
  • “The real coronavirus scandal is not corruption. It’s shocking state failure” – The Telegraph’s Juliet Samuel in fine form on the saga of PPE procurement
  • “Almost 200,000 COVID-19 tests are going unused every day” – New update from the Daily Mail on the ongoing palaver that is “test, test, test”
  • “The blizzard of bogus journalism on Covid” – Blistering piece on the blog of the AIER. Includes recent reporting on the Covid cases in supermarkets in its sights
  • “Covid updates with Dr Tim Spector” – Excellent interview with Dr Tim Spector of King’s College, London, covering the data collected from his ZOE App and how the actual data differs from Government Reporting. A Must Watch on The Energy Blueprint podcast. Transcript available here
  • “Talk of ‘beating Covid’ was always nonsense” – Matthew Parris in The Times calling for humility in the debate about Covid
  • “Not wearing a mask in New York – even on a jog – is akin to sporting a MAGA cap” – Dispiriting story from Rosie Hopegood in the Telegraph on the state of maskism and other Covid restrictions in the Big Apple
  • “Rishi Sunak plans raid on tax relief for higher earners” – A hint of things to come, reported in The Times
  • “Most Covid curbs should stay after national shutdown ends or infections will ‘rebound’, Professor Lockdown Neil Ferguson warns” – Our favourite epidemiologist carries on banging his drum
  • “The Covid Cult” – Watch Tom Woods attack “the greatest public health fiasco in the history of the world”. Includes an entertaining analysis of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of wearing masks
  • “More than a QUARTER of students ‘self-censor’ their opinions because they fear their university’s woke cancel culture ” – A Mail on Sunday poll that’s a sad indictment of the state of free speech in our universities
  • “Ministers need a winter care plan for mental health that’s more than just hot air” – Bryony Gordon in the Telegraph on the need for more action to protect mental health
  • “Nationwide vaccination could end social distancing in April” – Analysis in the Spectator from James Forsyth. We can only hope that old fashioned common sense will do the job first
  • “It doesn’t matter how you vote… the Greens always win – as Britain looks more and more like the old East Germany” – Latest from the formidable Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday
  • “The ridiculous cost of Britain’s cycle lane mayhem: Just one new biker is attracted for every £5,000 spent on empty bikeways” – A cost benefit analysis of the Government’s bike-centred transport policy
  • “Big Brother fury as the government uses Twitter as a propaganda tool to attack the Mail’s coronavirus analysis” – The Department of Health and Social care attacks Ross Clark’s excellent Covid myth-buster on Twitter and sparks a ferocious backlash
  • Watch a clip from Toby on Maajid Nawaz’s show on LBC yesterday explaining why censoring anti-vaxxers is a bad idea

Associate editor of The Spectator Toby Young attacks Facebook's 'incompetent' censorship policy, after an independent fact checker classified an Oxford Professor's research on face masks as 'misleading.'@MaajidNawaz |@toadmeister pic.twitter.com/NfzdewXQHQ

— LBC (@LBC) November 21, 2020

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one song today: “Don’t fence me in” by Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today we’re flagging up an item from the Society books section of the Guardian: “How ‘woke’ became the word of our era.”

But what is ‘woke’? Most online dictionaries define it as a perceived awareness of inequality and other forms of injustice that are normally racial in nature. A few describe the term as characterising people who are merely ‘with it’– as in, every cool kid you knew at uni. And increasingly, these days, many use it as a pejorative term to describe someone who is a slave to identity politics. How can all three possibly be the same? It’s a sensibility, a quality, a state of being, a feeling backed up by a set of actions, sometimes all these things at once.

I can’t think of a word that reflects the era as well as ‘woke’ does. There is its relative newness (it was born and grew up alongside social media), its popularity as a hashtag and its political implications and activist leanings. There’s also its journey from black culture to the internet and mainstream news. All theses qualities are extremely particular to this moment.

Confession: I dislike the word (especially since 2016, when MTV declared the term the new “on fleek”.) Ironic, considering I am textbook woke. I identified with what it was but cringe at what it has come to mean, and bristle at the way the word is now weaponised. The disparity compels me to interrogate the term and its evolution. As Susan Sontag writes in Notes on ‘Camp’, which inspired this essay, “no one who wholeheartedly shares in a given sensibility can analyse it; he can only, whatever his intention, exhibit it. To name a sensibility, to draw its contours and to recount its history, requires a deep sympathy modified by revulsion.” So let’s consider what woke is, and what it isn’t…

If woke gobbledegook is the sort of thing you enjoy, this article is most definitely worth reading in full.

Alternatively, read John Redwood’s latest post on his blog: “Politically correct speaking.”

Stop Press: Another literary giant has fallen foul of woke standards. This time its Ted Hughes. The British Library has flagged the poet as implicated in the slave trade thanks to the actions of a distant ancestor.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now approaching 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern and over 100 church leaders are JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger, House of Commons 18 November 1783

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Check out this bit from Simon Evans’s set at Comedy Unleashed. He performed the same set at the Free Speech Union’s comedy night, but this was the following day – on November 4th, our last day of freedom. Should raise a smile.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

‘ everywhere from factories and offices to towns and cities will be blitzed with mass testing if cases start to rise, under plans to be set out this week.’

Isn’t that self serving? Given ‘cases’ are just positive ( and mostly false) test results……to ramp up the testing will result in more positive results or ‘cases’ as they like to call it, to perpetuate the fraud.

Isn’t it ludicrous that we are now being continually punished for basically catching a cold (or not in many instances)?

Lord help us.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Indeed, we are being punished for our own biology. It smacks of arrogance, like we can transcend nature and its biological laws and processes.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Bozo would know it as hubris.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

He would – except he doesn’t. I can’t wait for nemesis.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Boris is Hubris personified.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

We Russians had two rulers named Boris in our history
– both turned out to be disasters
– should have been a warning to my adopted country

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

We just have Boris Notgudenov.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Bolshoi? Niet.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

2020 was the year the common cold and flu was weaponised

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

It smacks of ignorance

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Catching colds is a natural part of life, its our body’s way of getting rid of bad viruses and bacteria as well as the body’s way of telling us that we need to rest.

The government’s Don Quixote like ways of tackling this virus smacks of arrogance, narcissism and attempts at playing God with people’s health.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

last time I looked stepsils, lemsip and nurofen were on special offer. I haven’t had even the slightest symptoms of a cold the last six months. I fear that in the future when you do catch a cold/flu it really be serious due to the immune system being unchallenged for such a long time.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Despite not really doing anything, certainly not anything that you would think of as high risk, ie a crowded pub or gig since the start of this SHIT-SHOW, I think I have had 3 or 4 potential attacks of the sniffles. I have fought them off within hours. I am sure this is the case.
I have good faith in my ‘moon system, Vitamin C+zinc and echinacea and first defence nose spray.
I don’t need no poxy franken vaccine.
Bastards

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

likewise i haven’t had any colds etc and more concerned that my immune system is not being challenged with the everyday bugs to stay effective.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

If these people really knew what they were doing this scamdemic would have ended months ago.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Not too sure about that. I’m pretty sure that the idea is to piss us all off so much, that we will be clamouring for one of the many Bill Gates’s special depopulating vaccine brews. Eugenicist Bill is obsessed with vaccines as he sees them as the perfect tool for depopulation and massive depopulation at that.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

I haven’t had a cold in 2020, and in line with what you’re saying I don’t know whether that’s a good or bad thing. When I went out this morning I coughed a couple of times which is probably just a reaction to cold air rather than any bacteria or viruses. No sniffles for ages, I rarely need to wash my handkerchiefs!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Same here. The last time I had a cold was back in November and January but it was more because I had been tired since early last year when I moved house then had a busy summer.

I have been taking immunity defence multi-vitamins and find that they’ve been good.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Don’t worry. Your immune system is always at work – you just don’t notice. By the time your temp goes up the usual lines of defence have been breached and the system has decided to kill the bug that way. If you wear a fitness band, like Fitbit with a heart function, you can watch your immune system doing its thing on the app graph for resting heart rate. Long before you feel ill the RHR goes up and stays up until the invader is dead. Mine goes up every couple of weeks. It averages 65. When I had pneumonia it was at 81. When I had Covid (I think), it was at 75. Normal bugs never breach 70.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They’re not tackling the virus they are implementing a Global Action Plan set out by the United Nations and all their co-conspirators. Agenda 21, 2030, ad nauseum. They are all in cahoots. That’s why the lockdowns continue. They say that all diesel, gas-powered vehicles must be banned by 2035 but they really don’t know how they are going to make it happen. A waste of thought and a waste of money. Your money. Our money. Our cities and towns, devastated by the fantasies of low intelligent thinkers.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

They’ll meet their sustainable development goals through depopulation, which is an essential part of the plan. The main weapon of depopulation will be the unnecessary and toxic vaccines, which they intend foisting upon the unsuspecting masses.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Sales of ICE vehicles, not the vehicles themselves. And there’s precious little chance of replacing boats and planes with electric alternatives, not to mention the railways of most countries are still majority diesel, so oil will still be quite a lucrative commodity. I don’t understand the opposition to EVs – electric cars (and ebikes) are bloody quick – the torque is astonishing and is at maximum from all speeds, coupled with (usually) all-wheel drive so the driving experience is hardly going to be less fun. If you miss the soundtrack then easy enough to install engine noise in the audio system. Cars aren’t going away any time soon.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

The Statistics Guy Jon  https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f913.svg
@Jon_statistics
· 10h
So do people understand positive cases as reported by the government…?

Cases are people who have a postive result.

If they are tested in two separate weeks, the government counts them twice!

A positive result does not mean they are ill!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I asked a test centre Security guard whether they were busy. He avoided the question but said “it’s mostly regulars like care home nurses”.

I said so if someone gets tested for 10 weeks that would count as 10 tests in the government total ?

“Well, technically yes”

No mate, actually yes.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

If a person is tested 10 times on different days than they should count as separate tests – no problem here

But my main concerns is if the a person is tested positive and then the same person has confirmation positive tests in the following week which are counted as separate cases – rather than a single case as they should be

Somebody reported this as happening and that is concerning

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miahoneybee
miahoneybee
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

The numbers will be fiddled that’s a given.. the government openly threatens the population on a daily basis its abuse of power but they dont care. I hope the numbers rise even more those ignoring these ridiculous lockdowns. It does not matter how low the deaths or “cases” go they will press on regardless unless stopped.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  miahoneybee

Yes indeed, our corrupt government is not amenable to reason and common sense and it clearly prefers the bought in fake science, that fits in with their depopulation vaccination plans.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

The whole testing agenda should be alarming. The test results are totally meaningless and testing is only there is to keep the Covid pot boiling. The aim of which is to push people towards accepting injection with one of Bill Gates’s depopulating vaccines. Whatever vaccine you end up with, eugenicist Bill will be behind it.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

The PCR tests are the virus

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Their cronies are profiting from testing, so there’s every incentive to increase it and spread the impression that it’s vital.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

a) It is well established now that the spread of this virus is not driven by asymptomatic carriers. This fact has been confirmed WHO amongst others. b) Test and trace systems do not work once a disease is widespread throughout the population, again confirmed by WHO. c) PCR tests should not be used as a diagnostic tool according to the creator of the test amongst others. In addition, we are told that a number of efficient vaccines are just around the corner. Where is the justification for mass testing? This is a serious question because I must missing something that the majority of MP’s are seeing.

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John Mirra
John Mirra
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

The justification is simple, it transfers public budget into private businesses. Private businesses we can be certain are connected to certain politicians and other wealthy people, be it directly or indirectly. This happened all the time even before COVID; governments contracting huge consultancies to do lacklustre work then increasing funding when they do a poor job (sunk cost fallacy). So it should be no surprise it is happening now. Anyway, an increase in testing will ALWAYS lead to more positive “cases”, it’s a law of statistics/reality that the more you look the more you find. In fact this has happened time and time again throughout history. In the book “How to lie with Statistics” there’s even mention of this phenomenon (and that books is now considered quite old): A year came when encephalitis cases reported in the central valley of California were triple the figure for the worst previous year. Many alarmed residents shipped their children away. But when the reckoning was in, there had been no great increase in deaths from sleeping sickness. What had happened was that state and federal health people had come in in great numbers to tackle a long-time problem; as a result of their… Read more »

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Mass testing is producing false positives at the rate of 97%. The other 3% may carry some viral load but do not mean that a person is either ill or infectious. Governments know all this only too well and are using these flawed testing programs as a way of pushing people towards accepting dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. The real aim of the vaccines is to help achieve the massive reduction of global population, which is the unwritten essential part of UN Agenda 2030.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

We are being punished for our compliance. The regime did not believe compliance would be so complete. They know they have messed up very badly and Johnson is basically just taking the piss now. This will go on for as long as people take it, and the more they comply the worse it will get.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Yet the irony is so many naive zealots believe if they cravenly follow the rules the govt will forgive them and lessen the restrictions. At the same time they admonish us for being ‘rule breakers’ who are to blame for the restrictions. It reminds me of cowed people in abusive relationships who think if they are nice to their partner they will not be bullied and battered.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

This is very insightful and IMO spot on.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I shut my business first time around and was a good little boy this time I’ve remained open and to my surprise I’ve had customers I see my 81 year old Mum every day, I will dance a jig when these bastards are executed or lynched.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Jaguarpig

Good for you, on both counts.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Do the factories that are producing and selling these PCR tests realise just how much they’re complicit in the destruction of the economy and civil liberties?

They are creating destruction

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

As are the people who keep being tested when they are not ill. Is it just people who want 2 weeks off work fully paid?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

For many it is compulsory, care home workers for instance.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

And making money while doing it.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Kerrrrchinggg!

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I shall lock me in for those testing blitzes.
At least as long as thetests aren’t standardized down to a meaningful CT number and have become less invasive.
For these past, current and likely upcoming testing results, one might as well roll a dice.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Testing, refuse it.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Daily Mail: LORD SUMPTION: It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at Christmas.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8973529/LORD-SUMPTION-morally-wrong-government-control-freaks-tell-Christmas.html

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

And I, of course.
Not wishing to be snobbish, and I’m no fan of the Times in its current Covviegrovel mode, but isn’t it rather strange that a man of Lord Gumption’s stature should be published in a tabloid rather than our (at least formerly) most prestigious broadsheet?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The Times has always been the mouthpiece of the government of the day and is no longer a broadsheet, except perhaps on Sunday.

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Toby Pierides
Toby Pierides
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

There is the government and then there is the deep state whose motives SAGE and Johnson and Hancock are there to promote under the guise of a “pandemic”. The bible for that group is of course the Guardian which is truly astonishing for those of us who come from a leftish world view…

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  Toby Pierides

As a similar ‘rational left’ individual I’ve long doubted the Graun really believes anything it claims to stand for. They need to sell copy and pay dividends same as the rest. Certainly the opinion content veers between stabs in the dark at what they think their readers want to hear and a not particularly clever parody of a woke Twitter account. Some of it hardly makes the effort to avoid directly jabbing a finger and ‘this is what you should think!’

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

I have a similarly jaded view of my former daily, the Telegraph, which has been boycotted since March because of its fear fearmongering.

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

All explained in a wonderful “Yes Prime Minister” sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrnmya0xFw

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Brilliant!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

😅On my YouTube feed
Yes Minister ‘How To Run A Hospital’
ie fully staffed but with no patients, how very apposite.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The Daily Mail ironically has attracted lots of good writers despite its reputation and has been willing to attract both sides of the story. A trait that is missing in our so-called broadsheets.

And karenovirus is right – the Times has always been the mouthpiece of the government of the day. Always has been, always will be.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

No, because it has a wide circulation and if someone of Lord Sumption’s stature writes articles, it might make more of the hitherto gullible think again,or so we hope.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Apparently it is one of the most widely read, online news sites in the world. And it doesn’t have a paywall so stuff gets out there. Not that I’m a fan of DM but it seems to be one of only a very few MSM outlets that is allowing debate on the whole CV/lockdown issue.

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wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Exactly, which is the point I hoped to make. I’m no fan either, but as you rightly say, the DM is providing space for the challengers of the Covid psychosis.

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Ndovu
Ndovu
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

It gets a wider readership and there is no paywall on the Mail.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

It’s good because the Times is behind a paywall and the DM is freely available – and infinitely more widely read.
So it’s a less snobby but much more far-reaching platform.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

i’m pretty sure the daily mail is how i found out about lockdown sceptics maybe through the comments which are really great like here !

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

The best quote from Lord Gumption – sums up what I believe

“The risks posed by Covid-19 and the impact of social isolation vary enormously from one person to the next. 

The risks posed by the disease vary according to age, health, gender and perhaps ethnicity. 

The impact of isolation varies with employment status, income, accommodation, family relations and way of life.

In all of these respects, only we know enough about our own circumstances to judge what is right for us and those around us. 

Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate.”

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Absofeckingloutely

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at all – it’s a nonsense. Tell the truth, tell the risks and let us decide the necessary actions according to our circumstances!

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Of course, but they’ve got the bit “of power” between their teeth now, and they ain’t letting that go!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Some of the comments are frightening.One poor soul said they won’t see their family at Christmas and will pop by and see them in December and can only risk a hour in the garden.The government are criminally liable for the fear and brainwashing of the public.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Agree, but when somebody is as easily brainwashed as that moron, they have a large share in the guilt.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Slightly tangential to the subject in hand, but has anyone tried rejecting cookies on the DM? It’s very, very difficult and long-winded. And, they circumvent your adblocker.

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Harry Herts
Harry Herts
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Brave browser helps a lot

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I’m running Firefox with Privacy Possum and UBlock and it seems to clear the cookies when I close the browser – which is frequently.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I must have succeeded because I don’t get ads in the articles. I think you olnly need to go through the rigmarole once and it saves your preferences, unlike the infamous Reach group that makes you reject them every time.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

LORD SUMPTION SAID:
“Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate.”
Not just the government, but better than the zealots of Public Health and other Global Health organizations can. If fact, these groups have probably killed more people than they have saved. Death Squads masquerading as dogooders.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago

FFS…Dr. Mengele Fauci and WHO reps have publicly stated that asymptomatic spread is a myth on several occasions.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

The government aren’t listening, at least not to the sensible knowledgeable experts. They are determined on one goal from which they refuse to deviate. The destruction of our lifestyles and in many cases lives, Covid as I was once told is short for Certificate Of Vaccination ID.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

“England’s national lockdown will end on Dec 2nd but will be replaced by a harsher three-tier system”

Frankly I will barely notice. Lockdown 2. just stopped me eating out for breakfast and if the new Tieraucracy is inconvenient it will be ignored.

Theme tune for bozo and dreary Matt

Tiers Of A Clown.
The Stranglers (grown up edition).

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Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Wet pubs in Tier 3 should just open up on 3rd Dec and try to salvage something of the year. Carrots are cheap, just put a bowl of chopped up carrots on every table and have a carrot-only menu ready in case any snoops visit. Wet pubs in my Tier 3 area should’ve opened up last time. Honestly, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid as it would’ve just been assumed by a passerby that they sold food.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Or you could have a Rats Only menu, borrowed from the Monty Python team. With bowls of ratnuts on every table.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’ll go further- a spam only menu

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Usque ad nausespam.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Swish a bit of brown sauce artistically on the plate a la master chef with a single carrot and a pea and claim it is fine dining rather than snacks. (I do love a bit of fine but it’s mores can be used to our advantage).

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Tiers of a clown. I like it.

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Stuart
Stuart
5 years ago

So why were the Bournemouth lockdown protestors not kettled and pepper-sprayed, as happened elewhere in the country?

Does MULE* have a discriminatory, class-based policy and how long will it be before this melds into systemic covidism?

*MULE: Masked & Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement, prev. the Constabulary.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

I do not understand how people are being arrested at all , the lock down regs are mostly made under the Public Health Act which confers no powers of arrest. This Act is set up as to summons people who offend, e.g. have Rats in a Hotel Kitchen. If you give your name and address so that a summons can be issued then as far as I can see there are no grounds to arrest people under the Public Health Act.
Does anyone here know some more about the law and can explain what is going on?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

They turn it into Affray or Assault on an Emergency Worker.

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Repeatedly trying to bite the police officers fists seemed to be theme in Liverpool

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anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

similar to the continual head butting of police truncheons that seems widespread

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

Daily Mail report
‘Officer pushed to the chest’ ?

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Isn’t that called self defence in normal times?
And isn’t it an instinctive reaction, rather than a deliberate calculated act?

Last edited 5 years ago by CGL
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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Assault on an Emergency Worker is a BRAND NEW OFFENCE.
Designed specially for the new authority loving fascist psy-op UK.
It goes hand in hand with priority worker hero worshipping, workers “on the front line “risking their lives” in this “unprecedented” “pandemic” and thanking people in the military for their service at every opportunity.

This new offence carries very very heavy penalties like a terrorism charge.

Last edited 5 years ago by Two-Six
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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Johnson’s a dictator and must be deposed.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Report on R2 6am news of agitation in Cardiff last night with 6 people in hospital, some with stab wounds.
Nothing said about the cause other than random violence.
Anyone know different?

Last edited 5 years ago by karenovirus
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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

The hidden but real class warfare in Britain? You are probably less likely to “accidentally” fall down the stairs in a cop shop in a place like Bournemouth than in say Liverpool or Manchester or inner-city London.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

MULE: brilliant.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

No mention on this website, however, it is now enshrined in law in Scotland that travel between different tiers is illegal. Yes ILLEGAL!
Funny how they can just pass laws on a whim? Will people wake up or adapt? I fear the latter.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Needs to be tested in Court.
Internal travel bans were inherited by the Soviet Union from the Tzarist Regime.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Scotland, rather the SNP, are trying their hardest to become as communist as possible by the back door.
Well as it is in law now, testing it in court will only result in the fine being paid. I haven’t been fined, if I ever do I will challenge it in court.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

This is in direct contravention of human rights;
Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

If governments make laws that go against the Declaration of human rights it should be obligatory for them to clarify that is what they are doing. After 9 months of this nonsense and with current figures so normal it is not an emergency and therefore if Governments pass such laws they should also move to formally rescind the Human Rights Act.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

That may be right, however, as we have seen lately – that doesn’t matter to a totalitarian state.

As to which law would be violated I am unsure. This is the official site of the announcement. Bizarre that foreign travel is still allowed but not travel out of the high tiers.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-travel-and-transport/#travelbetween

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

That’s not from the Human Rights Act, Steve. The Article 13 you quote is from the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is criminal proceedings in The Hague stuff.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I thought the UN Declaration of Human Rights was enshrined in the UK Human Rights Act?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Long before that. We’ve been a signatory to that piece of international law since 1947. Human Rights Act is an imposter dating from 1998.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

So why aren’t we holding ours to accou t?

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Their argument is that the Right to Life supersedes all the other rights. That is the question that needs a strong legal challenge from someone like Lord Sumption.

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kf99
kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It’s also against the rules of the common travel area. Which has been clarified by the UK and Sturgeons’s beloved EU regarding brexit just before the pandemic. She has no leg to stand on

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I’ve put this to the test. While the roads are quieter than normal, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this new law is being policed/enforced. Sturgeon stand at her little pulpit every day and says stuff, and most people in Scotland take her at her word and do as they’re told. Therefore, there zero need for the police to attempt to enforce anything she says is law.

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NemziP
NemziP
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Yes, this means my mum, who lives in a very remote area, can’t go 10 mins down the road to the nearest town to shop because they are in a different tier, but instead has to travel over half an hour to a town in her tier to get her groceries. And the town 10 mins away from her is an hours drive from the part of the area that moved it up a tier. But that definitely makes sense!?!

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John Smith
John Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

They’re full of shit. The polis here have stated they won’t be stopping anyone.

I must state here, Police Scotland have handled a very difficult situation magnificently. Havent heard any stories of police harassment where I am.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

The police have had a pretty raw deal under the SNP so I would imagine that most of them aren’t fans of the dear leader and are somewhat disinclined to enforce this nonsense.

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Guirme
Guirme
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

We crossed the county line twice yesterday; no problems, no sign of the polis and plenty of other cars doing the same. It would require a vast number of roadblocks to even begin to attempt to enforce thus ludicrous “law”. I do feel sorry for the people of Clackmannan who can travel from Alloa to Tullibody and that’s about it!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Tale of the vaccinated

” I proceeded on down the hall getting all kind of injections inspections detections neglections and all kinds of groovy stuff that they were doin’ to me at the thing there.

And I was there for 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 hours I was there for a long time going through all kind of mean nasty ugly things and I was just having a tough time there and they were inspecting, injecting every single part of me and they didn’t leave no part untouched”

(Arlo Guthrie. Alice’s Restaurant Massacree)

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

An old favourite.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

The CDC is a national disgrace and should be disbanded completely. I’d also try the various heads for crimes against humanity… But maybe that’s just my anger speaking.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

Want to protest?
Everyone just go out and be in large separate crowds.
Also, don’t pay your council tax. At least keep the money aside but pay it in dribs and drabs. Perhaps when the bloated public sector feels the pinch things will change.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Council tax boycott, yes, why fund our own imprisonment?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Council Tax protests are best done as a large group and the tax is paid to a solicitor, who will hold it on behalf of the council. You are technically within the Law, because you have paid your Council Tax.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Unless the solicitor then runs off with the money! Years ago when we were buying our first house our solicitor ran off with our deposit as well as many others. When the law caught up with him the first people to be repaid were the Banks, people like us lost our money and were never reimbursed.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

What you say sounds a lot like something Mark Windows would suggest. You should run this strategy to the limits.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Yep. Apart from refusing to pay the council tax, boycott the census next year. If the government knows best then why the feck do they need loads of stupid questions about your religion, what sort of house you live, what gender you are, etc?

It’s madness.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

Just holding my nose and looking at Matt Hancocks twitter feed and he is now clearly vaccine obsessed, nothing else matters just vaccination, whatever argument you put up at the moment the lockdown enthusiasts just put their fingers in their ears and go ‘vaccination, vaccination vaccination’.
My wife was saying how people she knows are simply terrified of Covid, they just listen to the lurid figures of 200, 300 deaths and go into a blue funk and plead for more lockdowns before they all die. No attempt to look into the figures put them into context or look at the overall picture. This seems to be the sort of reaction that is driving our politicians actions, these people in dire panic are their voters and they cannot afford to upset them.
They see Matt Hancock as some sort of latter day Moses coming down the mountain to save us all with his magic vaccine.
Bob Dylan once sang ‘i can’t think for you, you’ve got to decide’ but too many of our fellow citizens are not thinking just panicking.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It might be useful to focus some attention towards the supposed upcoming cabinet reshuffle. MH needs to be moved from this post for all of the reasons you state (and more).

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

No one’s asking what cases are. If only they did

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Suzyv
Suzyv
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The sad thing is it’s the vaccine that they should be terrified of not Covid. Don’t be suprised if there are increased cases in Sepsis (which is a real killer) during the next Coronavirus season (cold season) according to one Scientist. Of course it will be denied as being linked to the vaccine.

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Chloe
Chloe
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I have a few friends like this. Start every conversation with the daily death toll. But as soon as you start to question the figures, i.e. but did they die of or with COVID? They stare at me blankly and change topic. Not only are they ignorant, but they are WILFULLY ignorant. I can’t understand it.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Chloe

They are happy in their oppression and fear. I suppose they have to be left to revel in it. I used to feel sorry for them but now they disgust me. They are the ones allowing this tyranny to continue indefinitely.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Chloe

It can be very frustrating. I often experience/enact a few knee jerk responses:

  1. “I thought you had a brain, how can you fall for this crap?”
  2. “but what about?” (analysis and links to sources of facts follow)?
  3. smile, then find a way to move onto another topic
  4. block ‘em.
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Rick
Rick
5 years ago
Reply to  Chloe

I call these people past friends. They are now complicit in my sentencing without trial. They are collaborators who I hold in contempt. I will never forgive them.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Nice one Rick and spot on.

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

“Think for yourself “ the Beatles (George Harrison) off the album Rubber Soul.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

“Boris can expect stiff resistance from the Conservative back benches”

I’ll believe it when I see it!

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Yep. Stiff as in wet lettuce leaf.

I don’t think we can expect any help from politicians at all.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think that applies to every other political issue too!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Did I miss something? When were SAGE granted powers to imprison people?

Even in the dark days of Soviet Russia people were granted the courtesy of an individual show trial

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago

I know we think we have certain rights enshrined in law here in the UK, rights informed by the UN Declaration of Human rights.

However, the UK version of these rights has some nice little caveats in them. For example:

– Right to respect for private and family life

There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right ***except *** such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
_________________

Notice the word “except”. That tells you everything. You can have a family and private life. The state won’t interfere with this. EXCEPT…if your private or family life isn’t in accordance with the law and they’ll butt into your right to have a family and private life if its in the interests of “public safety” or to protect “health”.

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John Smith
John Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

No one has “rights”. What we do have is privledges which can be abused at the whim of any sitting government.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

We have common law rights that are being abused by this disreputable government.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Listen to what Mark Windows has to say about Common Law Rights. They are not as inviolable as you might think.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

They are not inviolable at all but they remain mine and not the governments.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

Public Safety, Committee of, French Revolution.

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Arkansas
Arkansas
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

It’s the phrase “well-being of the country” that’s the problem one; it can correspond to vague things like “the economy” or “national stability” or “to maintain British Values” as defined ad-hoc by the government, euphemisms in the Chinese style.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

If nothing else, this lunacy will have shown many what an alternative system of government feels like.

And many will also have noticed how popular totalitarianism has been in this country over the last few months.

It is also surprisingly popular elsewhere:

‘Three out of four Russians think the Soviet era was the best time in their country’s history.’

‘“The Soviet era may not be seen as a time of high living standards, but as a time of justice. Today’s state capitalism is viewed as unfair: the injustice is in distribution, access to goods and infrastructure. And this feeling is growing stronger,”

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/24/75-of-russians-say-soviet-era-was-greatest-time-in-countrys-history-poll-a69735

No-one can believe any longer that it couldn’t happen here. It already has, with the consent, even approval, of a majority.

A return to freedom will now feel really good, if and when it comes…..and those vindictive votes for the monster raving loony party will feel even better…and completely rational.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The ancient world had a system for people who thought like that. It was called slavery.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

And the post Soviet Russian state is trying, clearly successfully, to erase memories of their own system of ‘forced labour’, aided by the chaos of the ‘pandemic’. Hmmm……

‘In the midst of this, the state-funded Russian Military History Society was allowed to send army soldiers to excavate the mass graves of Sandormokh and exhume some bodies. This sought to prove that the dead were not Gulag victims, but Red Army soldiers murdered by the Finnish army – a theory deemed historically inaccurate by dozens of researchers.’

‘Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, a memory war has been raging in Russia. NGOs, researchers and activists keep working indefatigably to preserve an independent memory of the Gulag. Meanwhile, the state wants to control it. In the middle of the coronavirus pandemic, plaques memorialising the victims of the Katyn massacre of Polish prisoners of war in 1940 have been removed from Tver.’

https://theconversation.com/russia-and-the-gulag-putin-is-fighting-for-state-control-over-how-soviet-horrors-are-remembered-142438

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

That last item is probably part of a monuments war with Poland. The Polish authorities have removed statues and monuments to Soviet soldiers killed driving the Germans from Poland in 1944-5, and this has provoked outrage in Russia.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

The Red Army liberated Auschwitz

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

The Soviets repurposed nazi concentration camps to their own uses, including incarceration of liberated Russian soldiers who were considered traitors for surrendering in the first place (and their families back home including Stalins own daughter in law).

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Finns murdering Russian prisoners ? Might have occurred in desperation after the Soviet Union invaded them with 10 times more soldiers than landed in Normandy.
Finland, population the same as Belgium, while losing territory morally won the Winter War.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

It’s true. My Latvian friend says that here family back home are loving the lockdown as it reminds them of the Soviet years. Ironically, she came here to be free.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Is it because they feel ‘safe’? That someone else is ‘looking after’ them? I have heard this before. I don’t understand why you would want someone else in control of your life, but I suppose if it is all you have known, being in control of your own life might be scarier. If I can’t control my own life, I would rather not live it.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Spot on.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I’m told that if you liberate a hen from its cage in some hellish hen battery, it will do its best to get back in.
And hens are mental giants compared to zombies.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

God preserve us….why did they leave then? I have always had a suspicion that most people do not really value freedom…..after all why do millions stay in what are clearly awful relationships. Now I know for sure that people dont value it.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

It is hard to work up the courage to step into the unknown. I’ve done it several times (yes, fool me, for being in abusive relationships), but it is hard to have the courage to do it. The last time was the easiest, but it was also definitely the last.

Then I found myself in an abusive relationship with the government…

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

‘In an abusive relationship with the government’
Thank you, that sums it up nicely.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago

The Covid merry go round: “We’re here because we’re here because we’re here because we’re here, ad infinitum”

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

“if you know a better ‘ole you go to it”

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annie
annie
5 years ago

Off topic, but DM headlines often brighten my morning, like this one:

Has Moscow been secretly microwaving our spies for years?

If in doubt, fry your spy.

Actually I suspect it isn’t our spies they’ve been microwaving, but the brains of our politicians and SAGES. That would explain a lot.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Amusing vaccine video spoof from Twitter
https://twitter.com/WilkesClub/status/1325098203742658560#7s8d6f87

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago

From the DT regarding the proposal for twice weekly testing and freedom passes. These people are power mad, control freaks, with a bit of evil thrown in for good measure. This is what happens when weak-minded people kowtow to draconian rules with claims of ‘it’s just a mask’. The language is quite sinister in its abuse of lexical content. ‘Offering’, real meaning compelling, ‘incentive’, meaning coercion. The passes will allow us to wander down the street, how nice of them, and show our pass if anyone challenges us for not wearing a mask – didnt know you had to wear a mask in the street. Overall, you will be under house arrest unless you accept our offer of regular testing. This is getting beyond madness. The excerpt: The source said: “They will allow someone to wander down the streets, and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.” The source added that the passes would allow people “to see their family, and normal social distancing rules will not apply”. The plan has already received the backing of Jeremy Hunt, the former Health Secretary, who last week said he… Read more »

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I’m a good person. Law abiding. Honest. But the Government has convicted me without trial. Life has been made unlivable and emotionally painful to endure

It goes beyond tears now

There is no meaningful opposition from unions or anyone with clout who cares about human rights

It is not hyperbole to say these laws are crimes against humanity

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

I quite agree regarding crimes against humanity and lack of opposition. I wish we could get crowds the size of those in Berlin to protest.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

I feel just the same, Jamie. I can’t understand why so many people find this an acceptable way of life.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Listen to Prof Dolores Cahill on the Richie Allen Show this week. So uplifting. Her Gloabl Alliance is intent on creating new institutions at tbe global level to replace the WHO, or at least shadow them, and be a permanent critical voice against these people. All the while pursuing leaders for malfeasance and jail time.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I have little hope in the Global Alliance, acu2020.org and Reiner Fuellmich and the court system. The perpetrators of the scamdemic know it’s not about a virus – they know that we know. The science is a distraction and using it to appeal to governments to do the right thing is appealing to a sense of decency in our political class that is simply not there – it’s wishful thinking.

The Corona Scandal is a global, orchestrated class war on behalf the banks, Pharma, Gates, the WEF and god knows who else. The world’s billionaires are planning to enslave and profit off us. I do not think the scientists can save us unfortunately. I don’t know what the answer is to a global coup

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

A team of German lawyers are bringing charges of crimes against humanity to the WHO. And coincidentally Nabbaro of the WHO comes out against lockdowns.

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John Smith
John Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

None of that will happen.

These fuckers are finished. Only a matter of time.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

They will be laughed out of court if they attempt to bring in such a measure.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

I want them buried.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

I so hope that you, and all who think this, are right.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I see a black market for forgeries, after all this scandemic has given rise to so many frauds and scams.

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Does anyone doubt that any kind of ‘health passport’ or ‘proof of vaccine’ controls won’t be run with the same level of utter incompetence that the government and the public sector that do their bidding have displayed not just during this but certainly in my lifetime.

The governments and their lackeys are not fit for purpose and these kinds of restrictions will be the same laughable shit-show as everything else they do and so will be ripe for abuse.

Bring on the fake documents, the forgeries and the open displays of non-compliance.

it will be enforced with the same ineptitude that everything else is.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

I think this has to be our hope doesn’t it – that they are so shit at everything they do, that we just adapt and use their systems against them. Just a bloody faff when it’s all so unnecessary and if 67m of us got angry we could chase them off the planet – isn’t there a Mars mission we could put them on?

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Why stop at Mars?What about one if those space probes that leaves the Solar System and just keeps going?

… but imagine some distant alien discovering a shipful of Wancocks and Witlesses and thinking they were a representative sample of humanity…

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I see a black market for forgeries

My thoughts as well.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Just ignore it and do as you please.
no man* shall be fined, imprisoned or have his lands or property forfeit except by the judgement of his peers**

* inc women
** people of theys social standing.

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I can’t put into words how angry this makes me – my freedom belongs to me, it is not something the government can choose to give me or not give me. This would be the line in the sand where my direct action would become very direct.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

The term FREEDOM PASS is peak insanity. If we get to the point that those who are fee have a pass and those who are not free are masked, we are dead.

How do people just casually accept such language. Very scary to me.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

This is evil. I think they are doing what they do best, trolling us. They crank out some authoritarian shit like this and see what happens. It’s hard-line covid bullshit for the covid crazy masses. How can they possible manage to do this using the current tests available. It’s such a mental proposal that it just cannot work. They might give it a go in schools where they can force people to do it and some companies like Amazon will take up the baton and run with it but everybody else.

Humm, many will but then again only 10 million downloaded the stupid track n track app and even fewer used it or kept it on their phones. Look where this facet of covid bullshit has gone, down the pan as far as I can see. Useless.

Mass tyesting will hopefully go the same way, its theater, another scenery change in the global covid cult screen play.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

In other words, Hunt is as big an idiot as the PM.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

“The pass allows people to see their family and social distancing does not apply”
Why family? I do not have a family! There are lots of people out there who for some reason do not have contact with their family, do not have family or live far away from family. Just because we share some DNA, does not mean I value their companionship more than that of my friends.
The emphasis on family makes me mad every year around xmas.
I am happy for people who like their relatives, but there are plenty of us who do not, so please do not make it even more difficult by drumming the family = happy beat.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago

A wave of depression swept over me after reading this:

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330287230473166849?s=20

The depression is compounded by jokes in the comment section and niggling doubts about anti-lockdown commentators on social media

People like Emma Kenny have given me hope, but she retweets James Melville who’s been anti-lockdown for months but who’s suddenly started promoting the vaccine. Then Simon Dolan who defended Priti Patel. I wonder about ex Big Pharma boss Mike Yeadon. Is he a trust figure, and should a new flu or virus come along he’ll endorse lockdowns and vaccines?

The feeling of loss of hope for the future is soul destroying. No freedom, no ability to live life, is worsened by doubts about allies revealing themselves as traitors

Does the Government want to create an epidemic of depression, anxiety and suicide? If the Government is going to push people to suicide, it might as well offer assisted suicide

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Its funny you say that about Yeadon, as when I was listening to his latest video, I can’t remember his exact words, but his brief reference to the potentisl vaccine was very positive. I remember thinking this seemed strange.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I noticed that as well. But I am kind of in his camp. It’s very encouraging that a vaccine might work, in my view.

By no means does everybody need a vaccine. And if the government were acting rationally then they would not be suggesting it, and their normal parsimonious behaviour would limit it to at risk people.But if a vaccine is shown to be safe and effective in the 75+ age group (or whatever), why wouldn’t you offer it? It’s not cost effective in the broader population and personally I would want to be VERY sure there were no risk of ADE, which seems to be a potential concern for this group of viruses.

And then specifically to the Oxford vaccine, there are signals of transverse myelitis so I would be especially wary there.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

I am with you Sophie123, I am not anti vaccine, per se, but I know, to my daughter’s considerable cost, the dangers of vaccination and the, consequent, necessity that any vaccine should undergo years of testing to ensure it is safe.

My biggest issue with this vaccine is that it simply isn’t needed; the reason cases have been dropping in much of the country, since before the tiering came in, leave alone the lockdowns, is because effective community immunity, under current social distancing and seasonal conditions, has been achieved in most of the country.

A vaccine makes some sense for those without a robust immune system, but for healthy people, it makes a lot more sense to get the bug, get over the bug and get on with your lives.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

That’s far too rational. We have never had a flu jab, never, yet we have received two letters from our GP asking us to phone for an appointment at the same time asking us to save the NHS money by going digital. I expect our GP get a bonus for every vaccination.

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Mike C
Mike C
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Bella, do you think your GP does it for the love of healthcare? They are paid for everything, or they do nothing. They’ve been paid a fee to look after you for the last year, despite closing their doors to you.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

We have decided that it wasn’t worth my wife, my son and I having the dead flu jab this year but thought it was sensible for our daughter to have it as she was undergoing chemotherapy and blood cell therapy. Also, such is her vulnerability to a live vaccine, that she would have had to miss two weeks of school, after all the other kids had had their snort unless she had had her dead flu jab. But the point is it is all down to personal choice facilitated by full access to ALL the information, not just the propaganda the liars at PHE feed us.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

£10.00 per flu jab, £12.50 for vaccine × 2 = £25.00 a head.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

What are these vaccines for? Nothing to do with the virus that is already under control.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Do you think this is about health?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

No way is it to do with health.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

You mention a vaccine that might work. I guess I would have concerns over something that has taken a such a short time to develop compared to the usual years of tests and trials that is the norm. Fair enough, possibly, if this virus was set to kill 30% of the population, it might be a fair trade off, but with 99.6% of the population not being severely compromised by the virus, I don’t feel mass vaccination is required – I personally will stick with my immune system. The other concern is the type of vaccine, ie using RNA, which is a novel method – long term implications unknown.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Once you YES to one of their demands you have given them the incentive to continue making even more demands.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

I think they should try it themselves first.

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Brian D
Brian D
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

It’s not a bad thing to be discerning of everyone we follow either voluntarily or through no choice and often they will have differing views to us in some areas. Having trust in them arguably makes it more important to be discerning of the information they give us and this is healthy for our own critical thinking.

I know the Irreverend podcast has been advertised on this site and having started to listen to it I would recommend it because their heart behind what they say on various matters comes across very clearly and their heart is for God and for loving people which contrasts considerably with the state and msm rejection of God and true empathy.

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Brian D
Brian D
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

My other take on this is that I believe there is divergence of motive/fear where some pro-lockdowners are fearful of a vaccine and see lockdown as the lesser of the two evils. This unfortunately means they reject sceptical views as being dangerous to them – in their view our lack of co-operation is leading to them having to be vaccinated.

On the other hand some are so trusting of the overarching reach and power of the pharmaceuticals and political/legal authority that they’re prepared to believe a rushed vaccine can be stamped as safe and effective as surely ‘they’ wouldn’t lie to us.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago

I need to swim regularly to manage my arthritis. Will the leisure centres open up now I wonder? It’s so cruel for many people and children who love and need swimming.

The stiffness and pain is getting me down. It’s not just about me. I need to stay mobile as I care for my disabled grandson who cannot stand independently or walk.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

The closing of swimming pools was crazy, many smaller pools never managed to re-open after the first lock-down and may well never re-open now.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

Its bonkers that swimming pools together with gyms and other sports facilities have been shut.

Do they want people to stay healthy or not?

Just like with many other things, this doesn’t make sense.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It’s not intended to make sense. See earlier postings about harsh implementation of pointless rules being in the totalitarian handbook.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I was in the U.S. Army. Our Sergeants and Officers were always coming up with nasty surprises to keep us on our toes. One day we came back from training and the bathroom was covered with toilet paper, shaving cream and all kinds of crap. There was a message written on one of the mirrors that said ‘this place is a pig sty’.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

No but as has already been said, this is nothing to do with our health.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

For the sake of argument, say you had an agenda to reduce the headcount of society, in particular the elderly and the ill, how would you go about it whilst making it look like you aren’t? A “deadly” virus appears and you order social behaviours that will, if complied with, reduce the health of the population – something you cover up by means of fake studies and a compliant MSM. This health reduction will achieve your aims of reducing the lifespan of the elderly and the ill whilst allowing you to claim that the social changes you have ordered are there solely to protect that category of people. The social changes that you have ordered will also bring about an economic collapse – something that the 1% of society will know about in advance, allowing them to position cash in Switzerland/Cayman Islands etc such that when the bottom is reached, they can swoop in and buy the assets of failed businesses at rock bottom prices, allowing them a headstart for the next economic cycle. The future reduction in headcount coming from making your population ill will reduce future social costs and benefit the 1% of the future (the present 1%’s… Read more »

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago

Good follow up to the DHSC tweeting about the DM’s article being misleading
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973737/Fury-government-uses-Twitter-propaganda-tool-attack-Mails-covid-analysis.html

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Bill H
Bill H
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Looks like they have shut down comments though….. ?

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Comments are open and working now.

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Prsjm3qf
Prsjm3qf
5 years ago

The purpose of lockdown is to prevent us achieving herd immunity (or prevent us from seeing that we’ve achieved it) and to keep the covid scam running until the Great Reset is delivered.

The new normal is not gonna be good for normal people.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Prsjm3qf

To prevent us from discussing what is going on.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Shutting down pubs, clubs and organised social activities does just that.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Reopen them. Organize a coordinated rollout in the countryside, nationwide, worldwide. Link up with others around the world.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Go underground

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago

Important though technical articles are – and of course we should know the facts – this has now gone way beyond arguments about t-cells and mask performance.

What is at stake is a very simple question: do we want to live in a free country or a biofascist dictatorship?

If the answer is yes, then all we have to do is sit back and let it happen. Today’s Telegraph was trailing a ‘Freedom Pass’ conditional on twice weekly tests and a ‘Health Passport’ – it’s pretty obvious that it will be used to exclude non-conformists from normal life in the globalists’ New Order.

If the answer is no, then we need to say so and mean it.

Unfortunately, there is no middle ground now.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yes, looks like that digital surveillance machinery the ‘conspiracy’ crowd warned about is going full steam ahead with Health passports. Lucrative contracts with government for suppliers of innovative surveillance systems. Bezos will be in on it with the latest gizmos. All the powerful players are singing off the same hymn sheet, our ‘old school’ daily lives are gone.

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Mike C
Mike C
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

How are they going to issue/manage health passports? Their test and trace programme failed because it was based on an Excel spreadsheet and people don’t answer ‘unknown’ numbers on their mobile. Companies have already come out and said that it would be economical suicide to limit their customer base so severely. Plus I’ll guarantee that your local corner shop will be selling ‘examples’ of the said documents within days, £20 and fill in your info. Fit to fly documents are already available in Blackburn.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike C

https://www.ibm.com/products/digital-health-pass

‘supporting the exchange of an individual’s health status’

’As individuals may need to present their health status to return to public places, organisations are looking for solutions that can help calculate the risk of COVID -19 while protecting privacy.’

Powered by blockchain, IBM Digital Health Pass uses a smartphone.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

So we will have a two-tier society. One tier with smartphones and one without.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You’re absolutely right. The facts have never supported this. But as far as the government is concerned, the facts are irrelevant.

Last edited 5 years ago by Sophie123
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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Change your name to “Mark-The Original And Best”?

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Thought about it, but why should I have to change just because this person barges in so rudely (I tried polite engagement at first, but was just ignored – he seems generally not to reply to any comments addressed to him).

So I’ll just flag up any of his posts that I would prefer not be falsely associated with by pasting the above saved comment below it.

Just the kind of petty irritant created by people who act inconsiderately.

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Sceptic down south
Sceptic down south
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Unfortunately happens all over the internet with those using plain names? Works OK on less visited sites, but less well on those that get masses of comments. I’ve seen Two-six’s suggestion work fine on a smaller community site, where it was obvious to everyone that the imposter was a fake.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic down south

First time I’ve encountered it, probably because in the past I’ve been on proper forum software that simply doesn’t allow duplicate logged in posting ids. The WordPress stuff is, I think, probably designed for light traffic blogs without many sustained commenters (though I was rather amazed to hear there is no option in the software to bar duplicates – seems pretty basic, and presumably trivial to implement, to me).

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic down south

Again though, there’s a perfectly simple workaround when decent folk are involved – just choose an id that isn’t a duplicate of one already in regular use. Sadly this commenter seems incapable of doing so and has been too rude even to engage on the issue to explain why he or she is incapable of doing that.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yes I agree…I do tire of the technical arguments about models and T cells etc.I am an academic but i honestly think all this is about deeper moral and philosophical issues.

Do our freedoms belong to us and are they inalienable?

Is it acceptable for government to take over every aspect of our lives?

Is it morally right for people’s jobs and businesses to be destroyed completely to achieve some alleged greater good?

etc

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Where did being decent hard working law abiding citizens get us?

Is it better that I sacrifice myself in the cause of freedom (as many have before) in the hope that my children and grandchildren will have this abomination lifted from them?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

They will be paying for their servitude their entire lives while Bill Gates laughs into his Bitcoins.

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

The ONS figure of deaths up to week 45 is 517,614 (England and Wales), compared to an average of 459,095 for the prior 5 years, giving excess deaths of 58,519.

However, the population has increased and aged over the last 5 years. When you adjust for that, the death rate assuming 2020 were a normal year should have been 484,482, so excess deaths are 33,132.

At a very conservative estimate 15,000 are due to non-direct effects, i.e. people not seeking medical attention etc.

Anybody with an iota of sense can see lockdowns have achieved virtually nothing if that.

So we have destroyed our country and our economy for the sake of 18,000 people, of whom around 1,800 are under 65.

Well done, Boris, keep on destroying lives and livelihoods, creating mass unemployment, suicide and mental health nightmares to protect a few very old people !

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

‘But… but every other country in the world has done it!’

Doesn’t mean it’s right. The social media age has massively fostered groupthink, allowing world leaders to both copy each other and compete to be the most virtuous in their ‘response to the pandemic’.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Very few people look objectively at the figures, they hear the word death and go into a panic as if the Grim Reaper was chasing them down the Street. Many people have no ideas how many people normally die in the UK but just get hysterical when they hear the word.
Flu can be a major killer 28,330 flu deaths in 2014/15 but somehow flu never had the PR agent that Covid seems to have.
The current total registered deaths in the UK are not out of line with the norm and are no reason for emergency action but that will not stop them. Hancock and Johnson look terrifying, deranged , demented and completely unhinged, I’m not terrified of covid i am terrified of these monsters running our country. 

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I agree with the description of Johnson, but Hancock deranged yes, but terrified, unfortunately not. He seems to be enjoying every second on his podium of power, dictating how the little people should conduct themselves. He doesnt even remotely look as though he has lost a single hour of sleep, unlike many of us.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I said to three people yesterday that come mid January it will be clear that overall mortality for 2020 will be much the same as usual* and then you’ll have to ask what lockdown was for.

*with caveat for suicides and NHS neglect deaths.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Take it back to September 2019 and mortality will be below average.

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AfterAll
AfterAll
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes, like other countries that were hit hard by COVID, we had a year of significantly below-trend mortality before the pandemic.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Look at Bozo’s eyes top of page, they look dead to me.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Absolutely – been saying this since May, but no-one i know has listened to me. My brother has been saying these things for 13 years or more and we all thought he was a nutter til March.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boris+johnson+bill+gates&ia=web
BJ and BG sitting in a tree k i s s i n g.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Boris can stick his new stricter tiers where the sun don’t shine. Nobody I know was complying fully with Lockdown2 and nobody will comply fully with tiers.
As for the totalitarian freedom pass.? No way. I’ll avoid all testing unless I’m really ill and the vaccination because I don’t need it and don’t trust that it’s safe I will go about my business however as much as I am able with no reference to anybody else’s permission. This has all gone too far.
I regret that our Christmas plans this year were always going to be modest and will therefore likely comply with what we are “allowed” to do.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Great post Laurence. Would you be able to provide a link to the excess deaths adjusted figure so I can use the figures to do some “tutoring in the ways of righteousness” on Facebook? Thank you.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Well said. I’m not complying with this second lockdown and the government can take a hike with their new tier systems.

Those who are still asleep and swallowing the propaganda whole are complicit in the destruction of lives & livelihoods, unemployment, bankruptcies, deaths from untreated illnesses and suicides, mental health issues, domestic violence, substance abuse and retardation of children & young people’s development.

They have blood on their hands.

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Censored Dog
Censored Dog
5 years ago

This extreme use of authoritarianism is going to result in an anarchist backlash later down the line, like how Marxism-Leninism was a backlash to Tzarist tyranny.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Censored Dog

somewhere in yesterday’s Roundup it was reported that Antifa XR groups had turned up at the Berlin Sceptic protests to help police hose them down with water cannons*
Do they not understand that Scepticism is cross party ?

(*They arrived too late apparently).

Last edited 5 years ago by karenovirus
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Censored Dog
Censored Dog
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They are not actual anarchists, they are only called that as an insult, as many XR principles are incompatible with anarchism

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Censored Dog

They are part of the Global Action Plan. Who pays for all their transport and accommodations?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Censored Dog

Lockdown the government. Masked 24 hours a day. How many will survive?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago

Lord Malloch Brown Revealed: The British Hand Behind The US Election Coup Attempt Shows Its Scales Again — Puppet Masters — Sott.net

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

I heard him mentioned in the press briefing by Sydney whats-er-name a couple of days ago – it stood out because someone said the other day to keep an ear out for that name.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Sidney Powell.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago

That Nature paper is super important. Not only does it rubbish asymptomatic transmission, and hence make the whole mask wearing thing a nonsense, but it shows what good mass screening looks like.

Samples handled consistently, nothing positive with a Ct count above 37, classed at no risk of being positive over 40 (double checked in between)….and viral cultures done as well (all of which were negative).

Makes you wonder why our results from testing show so many “cases“? Could it be that our testing is chaotic and completely shit? I wonder….

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CaptainG
CaptainG
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

From Dr Claire Craig on Twitter- China is trolling us with this study and Nature should be ashamed to publish it. She thinks none of the data is plausible and points out that all the previous studies claiming there was asymptomatic transmission were also from China (and fake)

https://twitter.com/clarecraigpath/status/1330390117576531971?s=21

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  CaptainG

Really?! what’s their agenda saying there is, then there isn’t?
very strange

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

i have read her criticism now. First the volume of tests they have done. Agree it is a lot, but it is not implausible. The Chinese can achieve a lot when they put their resources behind it.

Second the low levels of infection. I agree it’s startlingly low, relative to what we see elsewhere in the world. But could it also be that our high figures are utter bullshit and an artefact of chaotic laboratories, no standardised approach and general incompetence? given that few people are actually sick with COVID here, I am inclined to think it’s more likely the high numbers in the U.K. are bollocks than the low ones in China are.

Could it be that the Chinese have realised that if the rest of the world is in an economic spiral forever because of the reaction to the virus, that they might get to rule the world, but it’ll be a poor world to rule over if nobody is doing anything, buying anything or going anywhere? So time for a bit of reality?

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Sceptic down south
Sceptic down south
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Only just spotting this now. I wrote something above, about the IFR being too low – 3K dead from 35K infections. Ie, the infections are too low, which intuitively makes sense, and hence can one in fact rely on anything they say relating to asymptomatic etc?

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Rick
Rick
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic down south

Almost the entire globe have taken the strategy of lockdown from the Chinese and used it without question. Yet they will question this paper because it does not fit their warped narrative. Would I trust it, no, but that also applies to lockdowns, masks and all the other shit.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Ivor Cummins called them “the China guidelines” in a video I saw today.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Interesting. The “people falling over dead in the street” Chinese video made me wonder if this was some sort of experiment by the Chinese to see how the West would react. They might not have expected the dire consequences that have resulted. Could have surprised them that our countries would all voluntarily self-implode their economies. It’s certainly shocked us.

But you’re right, China is still a huge exporting nation even if they’re putting more emphasis on their internal markets. They are killing the goose that laid the golden egg if they allow our economies to fail completely. So why not give us evidence so that our governments can back down.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

.

Last edited 5 years ago by Stefarm
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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  CaptainG

I don’t trust her, or anyone anymore

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

That is why China are completely finished with the virus.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Now watch the fact-checkers ban Nature.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

I agree with Captain G that Claire Craig’s comment on this new Nature article is very relevant and I cannot understand one of the commentator here dismissing everything she says.This is a paradox. Most of the previous publications stating asymptomatic transmission came form China and we were sceptical then of those claims. Then this new article from China saying the contrary is suddenly accepted. Anything from China must be viewed with utmost suspicion. Their mask studies have all been appalling. Another commentator apart from Claire Craig has also come out against the article, Kevin McKernan a world leading expert in PCR and also a lockdown sceptic. He has serious criticism in this study as regards the technical details (and he is a leading expert on PCR) and also questions the ridiculous low false positivity rate. The twitter thread link from him is below. Nevertheless, Fauci was right in January, never in the history of respiratory virus epidemics has the transmission been driven by asymptomatic. People forget that many with C-19 have so mild symptoms, which they never would have stayed home from in normal times.
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1330349914140921861

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Not dismissing. Questioning. There is a difference.

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alw
alw
5 years ago

The Coronovirus Act is Null and Void.

http://r.mail.crowdjustice.co.uk/mk/mr/NyMHXV9C_w-dM1kzqxuU92JwoYlVesfGMCwvKRc18_adMjgmeg5J6ZqURNjUtYDhzlOtqbQ2PZI5LplvjgkmtBURxt7qiisM7LRADBmnkAN1F9ZfQsv_Gg

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Thanks for that – I wasn’t aware of this case.

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l835
l835
5 years ago

Where are the punks, anarchists and bikers of our youth? All I see now is fat middle aged people who say “I’m not allowed to…” game over.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

And the bad thing is many of them the propaganda wholesale.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

Yes, what has changed? In a Telegraph column of 12 January 2006 by Our Dear Leader, Liar Johnson, lamented the lack of spirit in contemporary rock stars, comparing the weak Kaiser Chief’s song ‘I predict a riot’ with The Clash’s ‘White Riot’, a far more direct and robust piece of work. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3622260/Blair-is-not-going-to-get-yobs-off-the-streets-youll-have-to.html Here’s an extract: … James Blunt seems drippy next to the rock stars of the good old days, he is positively macho by comparison with the Kaiser Chiefs. These are the weeds from Leeds whose hit single was I predict a riot, a tale about the bourgeois apprehension of a chap who tries to get a taxi on a Saturday night in the centre of town. “Watching the people get lairy/It’s not very pretty I tell thee./ Walking through town is quite scary/And not very sensible either,” sing these epic softies. Then the chap meets another chap in a tracksuit, who looks as though he might offer violence, but doesn’t, and that’s about it. It’s pathetic!  When I was a nipper it was standard practice for a rock star to start the evening by biting the head off a pigeon and throwing the television out of the window… Read more »

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

I’ve said it before, it seems to be the anarcho-SWP window smashing, “Stop the City” lately Occupy rebels of my youth who are the keenest to meekly do what Boris tells them. Weird!

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

I agree. I used to follow the Grateful Dead (American hippie jam band from San Francisco in the 60s). Their followers were rebellious hippie types who talked about the last American adventure. Now some of my Deadhead friends take pictures of themselves wearing GD-themed masks.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Georgia had all of the 100 listed long covid symptoms

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ive-nearly-every-long-covid-19314010?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Yeah right, course you did Georgia

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l835
l835
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Slap her.

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