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by Will Jones
27 November 2020 3:08 AM

Lockdown Rebellion Returns

Bob’s cartoon in today’s Telegraph

Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph reports that the Covid Recovery Group of Conservative MPs is now as many as 100 strong and enjoying increasing clout with Number 10. The return to tiers was, he claims, a concession to the rebels, but that doesn’t mean they’re happy with the result.

It all sounds a bit ungrateful, given that it’s not even a year since Boris Johnson personally won an 80-strong majority for his otherwise-doomed party. But many Tories feel that a national collapse is underway, because the Government cannot think its way out of lockdown. Last week, the Chief Whip finally persuaded the Prime Minister of the seriousness of the situation: there are now about 100 MPs in the “Covid group” of rebels. They wanted a local lockdown system, judged on clear criteria and answerable to parliamentary scrutiny.

What they got yesterday was intended to quell the mutiny. No more Vallance and Whitty horror shows, with blood-curdling slides drawn from data which falls apart on further scrutiny. No more “illustrations” or “scenarios” showing 50,000 cases a day or 4,000 daily deaths. In its place, new criteria for judging local lockdowns: virus infection levels, especially among the elderly. The rate of virus growth (or decline). Pressure on the NHS.

In theory, it’s just what lockdown sceptics asked for: a transparent, evidence-based way of judging the new system. But the way the map has been drawn has led even pro-lockdown MPs into revolt as many find their constituency under tougher restrictions than before lockdown. They ask why their constituency has been lumped with others – and how they can justify voting it through. “This is like one of these old colonial maps where they draw a marker pen through territory they don’t recognise,” says one MP.

The new system is riddled with maddening inconsistencies.

Kent is regarded as one homogeneous lump and been placed into Tier 3, having had no special restrictions before lockdown. All of Buckinghamshire has ended up in Tier 2, in spite of places like the Chilterns being almost as Covid-light as Cornwall and the Isle of Wight. York, too, is back in Tier 2 – in spite of having less Covid than before lockdown. In the Commons yesterday, MPs queued up to ask: where is the logic?

It’s looking like MPs will get a cost-benefit analysis, but not the one they’ve been pressing for.

No 10 has made one final offering: to publish assessments of what local lockdowns do to the economy, society and wider public health. This is intended to persuade MPs that the Prime Minister will now look at things in the round and judge local lockdowns by more than simply the virus levels. This would do much to assuage those who argue that officials should talk about risk to cancer treatment, or the chances of furloughed small businesses making it to Easter. But those who have seen the ideas for the report predict that it will be underwhelming, and unlikely to win over any wavering MPs.

In a press release put out by the Covid Recovery Group, Harriett Baldwin MP, a former minister, said:

I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate. 

Over 23 million of us were living under Tier 1 restrictions before the lockdown – that figure will be under 1 million in December.  There is no logic whatsoever in having a month of lockdown only for people to have to live under an even more severe set of restrictions afterwards.

That’s why we must see the evidence, the data and the cost benefit analysis – published in full and on time – so that we can assess whether or not the current strategy is working, and make sure we know if we are being asked to vote for something with an end date and which will explicitly save more lives than it costs.

While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered. And what if Keir Starmer sniffs an opportunity and switches to opposing the measures? The new tier system, in which the majority of English citizens have been placed in a higher tier than they were before the four-week lockdown, looks to be a massive own-goal by Boris and is bound to poll badly. Starmer may conclude that opposing the measures – and calling for a continuing national lockdown instead – is a way to ingratiate himself with Labour’s traditional voters in the Midlands and the North who’ve been placed in Tier 3, particularly those that deserted the party for the Conservatives last December.

If Starmer does decide to abandon Boris the CRG will find itself in a strong position in the run-up to next week’s vote. Some realistic demands would be:

  • More granular differentiation between tiers, so, for instance, the whole of Kent doesn’t have to be plunged into Tier 3 because there are over 500 cases per 100,000 people in Swale, even though there are only 120/100,000 in Ashford. (See MailOnline for the fury this has unleashed.)
  • Meaningful reviews of the tiered restrictions every fortnight, followed by a Parliamentary vote, instead of asking MPs to approve the current arrangements until March of next year and place their faith in Matt Hancock to decide which areas to move in and out of different tiers.
  • A proper cost-benefit analysis of the impact of the tiered restrictions so MPs can make an informed choice about whether to support them every two weeks.
  • The replacement of Sir Patrick Vallance as Chief Scientific Officer with Prof Sunetra Gupta and Chris Whitty as Chief Medical Officer with Prof Carl Heneghan. Okay, maybe that would be too great a humiliation for the PM, but at the very least Gupta and Heneghan should be invited to join SAGE, alongside Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Clare Craig, Prof Karol Sikora, Dr John Lee, Prof Ellen Townsend, Prof Allyson Pollock and Prof David Livermore.

If the stars align, we might just be looking at a turning point.

Stop Press: According to today’s Times, Boris faces a growing rebellion on his back benches and won’t be able to count on enough support to get his proposed measures through without Starmer’s help.

Tell Your MP How PCR Testing is Fooling the World

Today, Lockdown Sceptics is publishing a brilliant new briefing document for MPs that explains very clearly (with oodles of illuminating graphs) how the fatally flawed PCR test, which was never designed to be used on an industrial scale, has given the false appearance of a deadly autumn epidemic when in fact the underlying signals, such as GP respiratory consultations, hospital admissions and overall deaths, are normal.

It is authored by Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Clare Craig, Jonathan Engler and Christian McNeill, and comes with all their expertise and experience as they set out in clear terms the issues and the evidence.

From the introduction:

Across Europe, including in the UK, we see the following:

1. Daily ‘cases’ sky-rocketed in Europe as Autumn arrived.

2. Daily deaths labelled as ‘Covid deaths’ rose in line with ‘cases’ – to levels apparently higher than at the Spring peak.

3. BUT: Total all-cause mortality does not reflect the above.

What is behind this conundrum?

The central thesis of this paper is that we have a major problem with PCR-testing.

This is distorting policy and creating the illusion that we are in a serious pandemic when in fact we are not.

This is causing:

– Excess deaths due to restricted access to the NHS.

– An NHS staffing crisis which is exacerbating matters.

– Unprecedented assaults on civil liberties and the economy.

What we need to do about this:

– Stop mass-testing using PCR in the UK and replace with Lateral Flow Tests where required.

– Other recommendations as detailed later in this document.

We’ve given it a permanent home on the right-hand side. Find it here.

There is also a PDF version which you can download and this is the best one to use for attaching to an email and sending to your MP. Or you can use a website like Write To Them and include a link to the PDF.

Definitely worth reading in full.

Oxford Vaccine To Undergo Extra Trial

In what appears to be an admission of serious problems that need addressing, AstraZeneca has announced that it will run another trial for the Oxford vaccine. The Telegraph has more.

The drug company behind one of the UK’s leading coronavirus vaccines is set to run an extra trial amid growing questions about the jab’s performance.

On Monday, scientists from Oxford University and AstraZeneca revealed that their vaccine had achieved an overall efficacy rate of 70%  in Phase Three trials. However, this rose to 90% in a sub-group, a finding researchers said was “intriguing“.

It was then revealed that this had stemmed from an error when some of those in the study were given just half a dose for the first jab when a full dose had been intended. Those given the intended dose saw efficacy rates of just 62%.

The company has said it will run extra trials to satisfy regulators after US health officials revealed that nobody in the group with 90% efficacy rates was above the age of 55.

Lockdown Sceptics contributor Barry Norris is not impressed by the spin coming out of AstraZeneca as they manage the PR of their disappointing (and botched) trial results.

There’s been no proper scientific release of the data; it’s all just been leaked out selectively and they breached trial protocol over the doses and switching to give the placebo group saline rather than meningitis vaccine, which was the original plan. I also suspect – and this is also true of the mRNA trials – that the antibody response fades from the data presented as we develop antibodies against the vaccine.

Things will start to get very interesting when and if the Astra vaccine is rolled out. People will realise that the vaccine hurts and comes with side effects which in most people will be worse than getting COVID. When people who have taken the vaccine still get COVID (as the response fades) there will be complaints and what if it heightens the risk for otherwise healthy adults through inhibiting the natural response? If it wasn’t for COVID the trial would already have been called a failure.

Astra now saying they will do more trials. Normally this is an admission that the first trial failed and isn’t enough to get the vaccine approved. Coincidentally, this was announced at 4.30pm on Thursday, just after the UK market shuts and with US markets shut for Thanksgiving – and not even a proper press release, again.

They are claiming that this will not affect UK authorisation but I think it will. If they haven’t done enough for the American FDA – of which this is a tacit admission – then are we saying in the UK we have lower safety standards?

Stop Press: A poll has found that almost half of doctors would not take a rushed Covid vaccine. A poll of readers of Medscape UK found that of 308 UK doctors, 4 in 10 would not get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA. Medscape has the details.

Online polling took place 18th-23rd November after the positive Pfizer/BioNTech results but with most responses received before the positive news about the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.

Of those who wouldn’t have the jab at this stage:

– 56% cited safety concerns
– 27% would rather wait
– 7% mentioned personal health reasons
– 14% had other reasons

Overall, 59% said vaccination for healthcare staff should not be compulsory. Among those who wouldn’t have the jab at this stage, nine out of 10 were against compulsory staff vaccination.

Are We Over-Counting Excess Deaths?

How many more have died in England and Wales in 2020 than in a normal year? To calculate the number of “excess” deaths, most of us follow the ONS in comparing this year’s figure with the average of the previous five years. But is this a fair representation of how many deaths are above what would be expected? Not when the population is ageing, explains Ross Clark in the Spectator.

Not only is the population of England and Wales growing; it is also ageing. The population of over-70s, for example, has grown over the past decade by an average of 2% a year. Therefore, year on year, we should expect deaths to rise – simply comparing this year’s mortality rate with the five-year average does not give us a like for like picture. A more enlightening view is provided by the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries, which publishes a weekly ‘mortality monitor’ in which it compares this year’s mortality rate with last year’s, adjusting for the change in population profile over the past 12 months. 

Its analysis shows that deaths in week 46 were 1,442 — or 13% — higher than they would have been had 2020 had the same mortality rate as last year. Compare it with the standardised mortality rate for the years 2015 to 2019, on the other hand, and excess deaths for week 46 of 2020 fall to 1,388.

By this way of counting 2020 was only running at 6% above average mortality by mid-November (see graph above). Many of those extra deaths are the result of lockdown, not the virus, of course.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: An article in the Johns Hopkins Newsletter published on November 22nd summarised the findings of Genevieve Briand, Assistant Program Director of the Applied Economics Master’s Degree Program at Hopkins. She analysed all-cause mortality in the US in 2020, comparing the data to deaths in previous years, and found, to her surprise, that 2020 was less exceptional than it seemed at first blush.

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

But how is this possible? After all, hasn’t COVID-19 killed over 250,000 Americans this year?

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.

Needless to say, the article no longer appears on the website of the Johns Hopkins Newsletter – far too heretical. But you can read an archived version here. We’ve made a copy in case the enforcers of Covid orthodoxy remove that too. If it’s gone by the time you read this, email us and we’ll send it to you.

Update: AIER have published an analysis of the article here.

Hospitals That Kill

After yesterday’s story about Covid spreading around hospitals, a reader writes to tell us how this happened to people he knew.

How your story yesterday about hospitals not protecting people from Covid rang true. Two days ago our neighbour died at home after coming out of hospital from 15 months’ unsuccessful treatment for leukaemia. Half that time was spent recovering from the stroke caused by the first bout of chemo. The second bout of treatment ended recently when he gave up on it all and was discharged to come home to die. Guess what? He’d also just caught Covid in hospital, having spent months and months in virtual isolation to protect him, after an infected person was brought into the ward so naturally he’ll go down as a Covid statistic. He was 60.

Last week a close friend’s father-in-law died too. He was in his 90s and had acute renal failure. He was whipped into hospital where he tested negative for Covid twice. By the third test he’d caught Covid too after another infected person was brought in and successfully infected everyone in the ward. Of course, he’s gone down as a Covid statistic too.

Now, both these men had terminal conditions and would have died anyway, probably at the time they did. But nothing can alter the fact that we have been suffocated by precautions to protect people like them from Covid only for the health service we are supposed to be protecting actually to allow them and the people in adjacent beds to catch the wretched disease. In this incredible bizarro world we are being exhorted to save the NHS from being crushed by a disease it’s actively spreading.

Covid spreading in hospitals both increases the true Covid death toll and inflates the number of those who die “with Covid”. We need to get much better at separating those with highly infectious disease in the healthcare system.

Dear Deirdre…

A reader has decided to write to Deirdre, the Sun‘s agony aunt, about a relationship that’s gone south.

Dear Deirdre,

I’m starting to suspect that there might be a problem with my relationship. Please tell me I’m not going crazy.

At the start of this year I started going out with a new man, Boris. He was charming and seemed very clever – he’d been to Oxford and could read Latin. He’d “been around the block” a bit, if you know what I mean, and he was a bit overweight. But he was good fun and very decisive. He liked to “get things done”, which was a big appeal.

Anyway, in March he started to change. He went down the pub one evening with his friend, Neil, who’s a bit of a weirdo to be honest, and Neil told him all about this “Chinese bat flu” that was going to wipe out the human race. Neil showed him all this stuff on his phone that he’d got off Wikipedia and he did some calculations on the back of a beer mat showing that the population of the UK would basically be wiped out in six month’s time unless we completely changed our way of life.

When Boris told me about Neil’s predictions I thought he was having a laugh. Sadly not. The next morning he went to the corner shop and bought all the loo roll and Pot Noodles then he insisted that we stay at home completely, no going to work or socialising, and only going out to buy absolute essentials.

He’s a clever guy, so although I had my doubts I assumed he knew what he was talking about, and creepy Neil was good at maths and had once been on Countdown. Anyway, Boris said it only needed to be for three weeks – to “flatten the sombrero” or something (don’t ask me!) so I thought I’d play along, maybe it was a mid-life crisis or something.

Anyway, three weeks came and went, and still Boris wouldn’t let me go out and see anyone or go back to work. I didn’t complain though. It’s hard to explain – he’d spooked me so much I kind of stopped thinking critically about what he was saying. And it wasn’t too bad at first. I was a bit worried about the financial impact of not working, but Boris said he had lots of money in the bank. And it was quite nice to have a bit of time off. We watched Tiger King on Netflix and I bought a lot of stuff off Amazon to take my mind off things.

After several months things got ever so slightly more normal. Boris said that we could go out again and go to the shops and talk to people, but we still had to “stay safe” at all times and stay two metres apart from other people. I could even go back to work for a bit. I kind of played along with it, thinking he was about to lose enthusiasm for the whole bat flu situation. Then, in the middle of summer, out of nowhere he suddenly announced that we had to wear masks whenever we went to the shops! This was when things started to get really weird. He even wanted to wear a mask when we made love, but I drew the line there.

Then he got angry with me one day and said I hadn’t been taking the rules seriously enough. I should say at this point that Neil and these other creepy blokes from the quiz team down the pub, Chris and Pat, were obsessed with this thing called the “R number”. This had something to do with how much bat flu there was going around. Every day they would call Boris up and tell him that the “R number” wasn’t coming down enough and there was too much bat flu, and Boris would go white and say how sorry he was. Then he would take it out on me and give me these long lectures. One day Chris and Pat sent him this really scary chart, showing how we were all going to die again unless we acted straight away. I remember Boris asking if this was a prediction, and for some reason this made them furious, and they kept screaming over and over “it’s a projection!”, which really confused him.

Boris sat me down and said the “R number” was still too high, and it was all my fault for not following “the rules”. I must have been forgetting about the two metres, or not wearing the mask, or not singing Happy Birthday while I washed my hands or something. He said that he had no choice but to introduce a “Three Tier” system. Tier 1 meant things were bad, Tier 2 meant that they were very bad, and Tier 3 meant that they were catastrophic. We were only allowed to do certain things depending on what Tier we were in. This was the only way we could “save Christmas”. I asked if there could ever be anything lower than Tier 1 and he just shook his head and said that was obviously impossible. He called up Chris and Pat and they said that we could start off in Tier 2. This meant I had to wear a mask even when I was driving in my car and no-one else was around.

We went on like this for a while, until one day Chris and Pat called Boris and gave him a stern talking to. Another “projection” – the R number was going to get high again! Boris then started shouting at me, and accused me of having taken my mask off in Lidl. It was back to “lockdown”. This meant no meeting anyone at all, no going to work, nothing. This went on for a month. I started getting very anxious and worried about everything. Plus I had a really nasty shock one day when I happened to see Boris’s credit card statement. He was tens of thousands of pounds in debt! I started crying and shaking and having some very dark thoughts.

I think Boris realised how upset I was and he sat me down and said he knew that it was tough but it was all for my own good. He didn’t like locking me up like this but I had given him no choice. Then his tone changed and he said that there was some good news – the “lockdown” would end in December! I was overjoyed, until he revealed that the “lockdown” would be replaced by the return of the “Tiers”. Only this time it was even more serious. I could forget about Tier 1. It was just Tier 2 or 3 from now on. To be honest, I couldn’t even understand what the difference between these Tiers was. It was something to do with eating a “substantial meal” and “the rule of 6” – total gibberish, really. Boris did say that we could have five days off “the rules” at Christmas so that I could see my mum, but we would have to sit two metres apart with the windows open and not use the same serving spoons.

I asked him if the more serious “Tier system” meant that the bat flu had got worse. And here’s the weird thing – he said that there was actually less bat flu than before. This made no sense, and I tried to get him to explain, but he started muttering “hands face space” over and over again and talking about the toot of the distant bugle. I used to find that stuff quite charming but to be honest it’s got really annoying and I’m not convinced that he’s in his right mind.

I just don’t know when all of this is going to end. It’s unbearable – the bizarre rules that change every second of the day, the uncertainty, the endless control over my every action, the lack of freedom, the fear and anxiety. I think the mask is starting to make me ill. I just can’t see any hope for the future.

And here’s the thing. I’ve got a friend who works in a hospital. She says that the bat flu was actually real, and it was quite nasty, but it wasn’t anything particularly out of the ordinary. They coped with it without much difficulty and it seems to be going away now. They are having a pretty normal winter in her hospital – certainly no busier than usual. So why the Tiers and the masks and the rwo metres and the massive credit card bill? It doesn’t make any sense to me any more.

I’m at the end of my tether. What should I do?

Yous sincerely,

Anonymous

He hasn’t yet received a reply, but he imagines it might go something like this.

Dear Anonymous,

You asked me what you should do. I’ll tell you. Pack your bags and leave this man, right now. This is not normal behaviour.

The constant control, the limiting of your freedoms, the psychological manipulation, the false hope, the small rewards for good behaviour, the forced financial dependency – these are all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship.

Perhaps he can’t help himself. He seems to be a deeply deluded man. He probably wants this to end as much as you do.

This is not your fault. But it needs to stop – now.

Round-Up

  • “Majority of public sector workers to be given pay rise, Rishi Sunak announces” – So much for a public sector pay freeze, in the Telegraph
  • “We need a dose of vaccine realism” – Characteristically witty piece from Lionel Shriver in the Spectator
  • “The Government is throwing the hospitality sector under the bus on the strength of a back-of-an-envelope calculation” – Ross Clark in the Telegraph wonders why the hospitality sector has become the whipping boy
  • “Manufacturing error clouds Oxford’s COVID-19 vaccine study results” – More on the woes of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the Telegraph
  • “We don’t have to listen to the BBC any more” – Jeremy Paxman in the Telegraph lays into his old employer while promoting his new podcast, “The Lock In”. He’s already done great interviews with Lord Sumption and Professor Sunetra Gupta (clearly a sceptic)
  • “Ofcom is right – the BBC’s shameful ‘yoof’ obsession is repelling viewers with brains” – Simon Heffer in the Telegraph joins in the Auntie-bashing
  • “Eton College dismisses teacher amid free speech row prompted by lecture on masculinity” – Appalling story of a teacher sacked from the elite boys’ school for daring to challenge the radical feminist view that there’s something fundamentally toxic about masculinity. Eton has gone woke
  • “North East Covid cases continue to fall as expert says tougher tiers ‘hard to justify’” – Chronicle Live go to Prof Carl Heneghan for some sense amid the chaotic tyranny
  • “The Lasting Consequences of Lockdowns” – Ethan Yang on the AIER blog on the long-term dangers of 2020’s lockdown obsession
  • “Has lockdown affected your mental health?” – King’s College London seeks volunteers for an online study of personality and mental health in the COVID-19 pandemic. “Personality profile for all and £10 expenses if you complete the follow-up.” Study code: 57894876
  • “It makes sense. Warmer winter, less flu deaths. More of the most susceptible people living so next epidemic worse.” – Insightful tweet from Michael Levitt on the “dry tinder” idea, responding to “IFI44L”: “Across the globe as a whole, winter 2019 was the second hottest on record for the planet’s surface… ‘analysis of US influenza between 1997-98 to present indicates that warm winters tend to be followed by severe epidemics…'”

A very interesting direction. It makes sense. Warmer winter less flue deaths. More of the most susceptible people living so next epidemic worse. https://t.co/OJ4zT0uH77

— Michael Levitt (@MLevitt_NP2013) November 26, 2020

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “I wasn’t born to follow” by The Byrds, “Living in hope” by The Rutles and “I Think I’m Gonna Kill Myself” by Elton John.

Stop Press: “Safetyland“, the latest tune from lockdown sceptic rockers MediaBear, is out now.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, McDonald’s has been accused of the weird woke crime of “cultural appropriation” because it introduced a sandwich based on a Jamaican recipe. The Mail has the story.

Fast food giant McDonald’s has been accused of “cultural appropriation at its finest” over one of its new Christmas menu items.

The chain announced a new Jerk Chicken Sandwich for its festive menu, which also features a double Big Mac and a Celebrations McFlurry. But it is the Jerk Chicken Sandwich which has caused the biggest stir – and not all for the right reasons. While some have taken to social media to praise the burger, others have hit out at McDonald’s accusing them of “cultural appropriation”.

Cultural appropriation is the adoption of an element or elements of one culture or identity by members of another culture or identity. It is particularly controversial when members of a dominant culture appropriate from disadvantaged minority cultures.

Jerk chicken originates from Jamaica and is believed by historians to come from indigenous Taino people and Maroons – descendants of Africans who were enslaved in the Caribbean islands.

One person tweeted: “The more I think about it the more I’m bothered by the McDonald’s ‘jerk chicken’ attempt. It shows me one of two things: 1) They don’t care to respect the culture or 2) They have zero diversity on their team.”

Another said: “Jerk Chicken Sandwich, yet there is not one McDonald’s in Jamaica.”

One person tweeted: “Who approved McDonald’s Jerk Chicken Sandwich?”

Another added: “Disrespect to the fullest. McDonald’s slapped a dead sauce on top of a crispy chicken and called it Jerk Chicken Sandwich, unreal.”

By this twisted logic there should surely be a ban on the sale of all Jamaican jerk products to non-Jamaicans, and on all non-Jamaicans enjoying them.

Stop Press: FSU Legal Advisory Council member Andrew Tettenborn has written in CapX on the Universities UK Critical Race Theory capitulation that we flagged up in yesterday’s Woke G.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

In his Spectator column this week, Toby lets on about the unusual sleeping arrangements that writing Lockdown Sceptics – and having the house rewired – have created in his home.

I’ve moved out of my home. No, Caroline and I haven’t broken up. It’s just that we’re having the house rewired, which means we have to be out of our bedroom by 8am Ordinarily, that wouldn’t matter but about eight months ago I started a blog about lockdown and I’m usually up until 4am working on it. We have almost 7,000 subscribers to our daily newsletter and I want it to be waiting for them when they wake up. And superhuman though I am, I can’t survive on four hours’ sleep a night.

I haven’t gone very far. I’ve stuck a blow-up mattress in the garden shed that doubles as my office. But, weirdly, the children seem to think this is a prelude to divorce. Given how many of their friends’ parents have separated — the divorce rate in England and Wales is 42% — they’ve become experts in the telltale signs, and apparently Mum and Dad sleeping in different bedrooms is one of them. My efforts to reassure them have been in vain. Earlier this week, I explained to 13-year-old Freddie that it was only a temporary measure, but he just stared at me anxiously. “Don’t you and Mum love each other any more?” he asked.

And it’s not just the kids.

Even my mother-in-law has become a bit suspicious. She came to lunch last Saturday – she’s in our support bubble – and because she’s an expert on everything to do with home improvement I asked her if she thought it would be possible to add an extension to my shed and get a lavatory plumbed in. The idea would be to create a separate bedroom with an en suite bathroom. “That way, we could Airbnb it,” I said, rather unconvincingly. She arched her eyebrows and adopted an ironic tone: “I thought it was supposed to be a man cave, not a self-contained flat?”

Needless to say, Caroline has no objections to my sleeping in the shed – she says she sleeps better because I don’t disturb her when I come to bed in the middle of the night – but is slightly irritated that after supper, when the children are refusing to do their homework or are fighting with each other, I just slip out of the back door clutching a bottle of wine and a bowl of nuts. In the past, Caroline has complained that I’m more like a fifth child than a parent, but at least I would occasionally play the role of a more experienced older sibling – helping the others with their ties, walking them to the bus stop, telling them what to do if they got into a fight: “Hit first, hit hard and hit often.” But now I’ve been transformed into a kind of lodger. I smile at the children across the kitchen table, flirt with their mother a little and then retire to my room for the evening.

So now we know the secret of how Lockdown Sceptics gets published at 4am each morning.

Worth reading in full – very funny.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

1st

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I struggle during the dark nights of November and this year is worse than usual. However, the Dear Deirdre” piece has really given me a good laugh. Well done the writer and many thanks to Toby and the team for the latest edition of this invaluable resource.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Dear Anonymous.
You are clearly a victim of Coercive Control, sadly our Criminal Court system is more or less at a standstill so my best advice is that you take out a Civi Action against this ‘Boris’. Threaten him where it hurts, in his wallet.

All the best
Deirdre.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Unfortunately the civil courts are at a standstill as well.

When are we getting the Dolan judgment?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

First article above:

In theory, it’s just what lockdown sceptics asked for: a transparent, evidence-based way of judging the new system.

Lockdown sceptics (well, me anyway) want the whole damn scam stopped! They don’t want more fake government figures!

Fraser Nelson is a total knob!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Steve Baker sort of on the case.

Agreed, we don’t want fiddling around with tiers to tackle phoney corony. We want lockdown stopped now and its perpetrators arrested.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Phoney corony – another good one!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Definitely; me too.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Thanks Annie, feel free to use 😀
and anyone else

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I don’t trust Steve Baker. I smell a rat with the Covid Recovery Group too. It exists to offer false hope to a population that’s being unjustly crushed by tyranny. Very cruel

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Yes I agree. Basically they all know if they shout too loud they could lose their jobs. Mind you still a million times better than that buttwipe starmer.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Used buttwipe.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

It’s amazing what counts as self-protection, though. Sure, by limiting their protest they get to keep their pathetic jobs and expense fiddles, but what use is a job as an MP in the context of a Mad Max landscape and a population that’s as mad as hell? Boris and his family may have been promised a place in the secure compound, but the weedy back benchers? I don’t think so.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

If there are actually 100 of them, then Johnson no longer has a majority. If so, the boot is on the other foot now. And hopefully on BJ’s neck soon.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’ll be using “phoney corony”, thanks for the smile.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Feel free 👍

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

He is part of the elite that we need to get rid of

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

We all want that but you don’t cure someone of OCD by covering them in pig shit. Baby steps….

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Baby steps will lead to them killing us all. We need giant steps if we are to save mankind.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Huge strategic error from Will Jones to be suggesting that MPs positively call for what amount to tweaks of the present system. It sets up exactly the same trap that is highlighted above: Bojo can tweak a bit and claim to be doing exactly what Lockdown Sceptics want.

I know ‘compromise’ looks reasonable, but in this case it is contrary to reason. All it would achieve would be to weaken the the sceptic position politically, such that Bojo could spin lockdown out indefinitely while claiming to be ‘listening,’ and destroy the clarity of our message. Lockdown is a disaster that has no justification on any grounds – we should not assist in distracting people from our own clear message.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

The imposition of tiers 2 and 3 is simply so that bozo can slowly release parts of the country bit by bit so allowing himself to appear benevolent.

Wont work bozo since it’s transparently obvious.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

“Lockdown is a disaster that has no justification on any grounds.” ABSOLUTELY. I have to go one step further. Lockdowns are FATAL to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. Lockdowns are promoted by the most disgusting elitist attitude – “what’s so hard about staying home” – for children, it is an abuse of their fundamental human rights to play and receive an education – for the elderly it means isolation and loneliness – for the sick it means no access to health care – for the working classes, especially casual “zero hours contract” workers it means NO INCOME. For the undocumented it further means abject poverty as they have no support at all – for those prone to anxiety and depression it means a good hard shove towards suicide. Lockdowns are fine for wealthy happy families with big houses and big gardens and Netflix accounts and Ocado accounts. For the rest of the population Lockdowns are CRIMINALLY ABUSIVE. You need no statistics, no data, no reports to know this… just a little compassion, a conscience and common sense! I’m so upset today.

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Motke
Motke
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Totally agree. Poverty kills, it’s just harder to quantify and much easier for the government to shove (questionable) daily death figures for covid down our throats.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Just saw an interview on talk radio where a publican is talking about getting closed down. So sad, don’t know why all shops and pubs dont just defy this order. We are now a police state.

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Cody
Cody
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Agreed.I think all pubs,be they part of a big chain or a small independent,need to get together in their own towns and cities and make a pact to open up.Defy any fines imposed and take the fight to the government.As things stand most are going under before long anyway so what’s to lose?

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

I’ve been saying that for months. JUST DON’T COMPLY, ALL OF YOU, AND THIS WILL GO AWAY QUICKLY! No masks, no distancing, no arrows on the floor, no visitor restrictions, no pub closures. DO IT

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

i’m meeting more fellow sceptics . tiny fraction of the population but so far about 15. and some go to store wihtout a mask .ive been braving that too more and more the rare times go to a store today the post office was only one not weairnga mask was just to go in put letters in the mailbox chute but i did it . we must !

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

For all of the above I simply cannot understand why the Labour Party is so tamely nodding this through Parliament with just a few Tories threatening to rebel plus some others out of trying to appease their constituents.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Because they’re All In This Together!

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

See my latest comment. It’s in a Labour constituency. If they don’t end this we must go after the PLP for sanctioning child abuse.

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Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Yesterday I came closer to suicide than ever before. I left a a toxic home because I was suicidal and 6 months later the government started to treat me as I’d been treated at home. Individual people and their personal struggles are not seen. It reminds me of Scrooge’s suggestion that reducing the ‘surplus population’ was a commendable objective. Does Boris even care about the suicide figures?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Tracy, this shit-show will be over soon. Boris is insane, the government are totally corrupt to the core, all they have is lies and fear and coercion.
This horror show has been going on for 8 months too long. It should never have started. We all know this.
The sheeple are starting to realise this. It has taken them long enough but then they have been driven a special kind of crazy due to the above lies, fear and coercion.
People are really really hurting now and yes it will might well get worse but hopefully not for very much longer.

The cracks in the dam from 3 months ago are now gushing holes. They are opening the flood gates to relieve the pressure here and there at the top of the dam but they know the foundations are getting rapidly washed away.
They just can’t keep this clown-show up for very much longer.

Hopefully.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

No he does not, but we do. Please hang in there. It will pass

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Boris only cares about Boris.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Tracy, I watched a dear friend lose her battle against depression and take her own life. Please don’t do it! Humanity needs people like you, people who care, people like us who have SURVIVED abuse, who have refused to submit to the horrors of a toxic environment. Wow, you are SO brave for leaving it. Keep writing on this forum. You are supported and cared for here. Keep validating your feelings. Your life matters. You are loved.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

What a wonderful response! Thank God for this website and the people who post here.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Boris cares about no one but himself. He’s a sociopathic moron.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Boris doesn’t care about anything except Boris.
Tracy, you escaped one toxic situation with your reason intact. Stand in your strong place and don’t give way to the Fascist bullies.We are for Life here. Life always has something good to offer, even when you can’t see it. Believe me, it’s there.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

None of TPTB care but many of us do and that’s why we’re lockdown sceptics. I know how you feel and can sympathise. Please stay strong.

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Carlo
Carlo
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

TPTB??

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Montag Smith
Montag Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Does Boris, or any other minister, care about anything other than their political career?!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

What a lovely response! One that is fully seconded in this household.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Tracy, do not let these no marks get you into this state, all things must pass, even this madness..

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Twig
Twig
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Tracey, so sorry you feel awful. So do I. Thank you for your comment – it helped me. I’m waking up with heavy depression and thoughts about my upbringing – then I beat myself up about it. But now I see why: there are so many parallels.

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Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Twig

Hi Twig and Tracy. Same here but by the sound of it I’m older than you. I’ve made it through all these years and so I’m going to make it through this. We recognise exactly what they are doing. Abusing the entire population. I’ve had too much of that already. You’ve come to the right place here and please carry on talking. You’ll find new friends and realise just how strong you actually are.

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Well said

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Agree. Lockdowns were justified on the rstionsl this was an unknown virus and could kill hundreds of thousands. We now know the nature of the beast, and it is far from the picture of devastation predicted, therefore there is no basis, even under the health act to justify any imposition of restrictions. All should be cancelled, testing stopped on asymptomatic, and people advised, not coerced, just to take sensible precautions.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

By misusing the 1984 Public Health Act the claque of four have been acting unlawfully throughout and must be brought to justice.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Like the Gang of Four in China 40 years ago.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

They were executed, if I remember correctly… Come to think of it, that option has much to commend it.

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William Purle
William Purle
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

They weren’t executed, just life sentences. 2 of them were even released after a couple of decades. Which would clearly be too lenient for this current lot.

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David McCluskey
David McCluskey
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Forgive me, but LDs were never, ever justified! This is only about governments hanging on to power. I am ugly enough and old enough (69) to have learned that governments do not do and never ever have done saving lives, hence save the NHS was their primary aim because its failure would spell oblivion for any political party.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Yes, but it was a GREAT BIG LIE from the very beginning. Justifying lies is what governments do best.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Yes! I’ve been worried about the fact that they’re all nitpicking about details and missing the point completely.
I’m concerned that when the vote comes it will be “Do you want lockdown, or more lockdown?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

The only sensible approach is for the total end of all lockdowns, tiers and all other Covid nonsense. Johnson Hancock and Gove will have to go and straight to jail, in short order. These vicious and corrupt morons have been lured into a glaringly obvious global scam over something that has all the severity of a seasonal flu. Their ill considered actions have led directly to the loss of tens of thousands of lives of our fellow citizens, with many thousands more deaths still to come. This unholy trio have blighted the lives of millions of others and retribution should be swift and harsh.

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George L
George L
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Agreed re Will Jones. He needs to remember he’s going up against a thug armed with a Glock 9mm. Piddling with your water pistol just won’t cut it!

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Yes and why is no journo saying, hang on we have just spent a month in lockdown, what were the results. If it has done basically nothing and we are having to put cities into tier 3, why do we think this is working?

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Yup, Bristol was tier 1 when went into lockdown, tier3 now. So that worked then . . .

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago
Reply to  ChrisDinBristol

. . . when we went (bloody prdactif toxt). . .

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  ChrisDinBristol

No point in looking for logic, or worrying about what tier should apply to particular areas. Covid is an out and out fraud and all restrictions are for nasty political reasons. Resist by never wearing masks, refusing tests and shunning the vaccines as if your life depended on it, which of course it will.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I completely agree with you!

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Absolutely right! I couldn’t believe what I was reading and thought I’d strayed onto the wrong site for a moment. Why is Will Jones buying in to the idea that tinkering with the ‘tiers’ would be any improvement? The ‘rebellion’ will be nothing but a damp squib. Will is probably right, though, that since Sir Trilateral Knee-Taker wants to criminalise people like us, it’s a knocking bet that, if Labour opposed ‘tiers’ it would only be by calling for a national lockdown. ‘Tiers’ are lockdown – in fact we have never really come out of it. The whole thing must be scrapped now while there is still a faint chance of salvaging something out of the wreckage. Please make no mistake, the government really has declared war on us. This is not ‘Boris’ appeasing parts of the country. There is a plan, believe it or not, and these puppets are following it. Non-compliance is the only answer, If there are cracks appearing, lets get them widened! MW p.s. A deluded old idiot has just walked past (in the distance) in a face-nappy. He is nowhere near anything or anybody and this is in the countryside. ‘A relatively rare sight here… Read more »

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

Haven’t read it yet, but the headline is promising!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Whatever you do you will be punished further

If you follow all the rules more punishments will be heaped upon you

This time next year they will be dragging you, your children, and your grandchildren into the street and executing them

You may not have many chances to fight back left

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yes, as Dave Cullen (Computing Forever on Youtube, for now) says, appeasing narcissists never works – they just demand more. I would add, ditto bullies. MW

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

So true!

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

My Statistics lecturer at uni used to say that you don’t always need to look at the data behind a graph to see what’s going on; sometimes just the shape of the graph says enough and, often, so much more.

Here’s an image showing ‘side by side’ (as it were) the graphs of “Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death” for all 9 NHS regions in England. The image is made from actual snapshots of the graph from each region’s page. They’ve been shrunk in size to fit the image and only the axes labels have been removed.
All of the graphs cover the full period of the ‘Pandemic’.
None of the axes in each graph is labelled, because the raw data does not matter, only the shape of the graph does. The idea is to compare each region with others without numbers getting in the way.

Other than one thing, I’m not going to make any comments on what I think the graphs say; I’ll let you guys decide what they tell you.

The one comment I will make is: Look at London Region!

Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Clearly the streets of London must be paved with grannies in a post-life situation.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

A graphic illustration of Herd Immunity.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Possibly, though as I said yesterday

“Herd immunity is something of a red herring in my view, if people interpret it to mean that the disease disappears. From what I understand most respiratory viruses come and go seasonally; their impact is mitigated by prior exposure, but they never go away completely.
The problem with betting on herd immunity is twofold I think:
1) People think you mean “cases” and deaths will go to zero
2) Talking about it implies that it is necessary to achieve it, which it isn’t really. It simply isn’t dangerous enough to warrant the pursuit of elimination at all costs, by whatever means.”

I think it best to look at all-cause mortality. The covid deaths numbers are not very useful in themselves. The graphs show there is less covid circulating in London, or that more people susceptible in London died in the summer.

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

“. The graphs show there is less covid circulating in London,”

I would say:

“The graphs show that there are fewer people in London producing a positive PCR test”

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Good point!

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I agree with you Julian and take great care to avoid talking about Herd Immunity away from this forum because it just closes off the discussion. That said, between people who understand that Herd immunity is seasonal and NPI dependent, I think it is fair to call a spade a spade: London has achieved herd immunity and many other parts of urban Britain are close to herd immunity.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes, that’s quite possible and a good summary

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Good little discussion; thanks, Julian and Will. 🙂

One of the things that made me want to do this graphic was to really see if I could figure where the upsurge due to come to London was; I can’t.

When ‘cases’ started to rise in the North at the beginning of September, ‘experts’, including the Gruesome Twosome and the doomsters from Imperial, said it would hit London and the South East in 2 weeks.

Twelve weeks on, I’m still waiting. They never tell us why it’s not happened.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

The Expert on Jeremy Vines show yesterday said the reason for Londons low figures was ‘because frontline workers had achieved Herd Immunity’.

First time I’ve heard them use the phrase positively since March.

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago

Have we turned the first corner?

Time to mix some metaphors!

Today’s editorial indicates that the green shoots of realism may be emerging from behind the curtain.

Can we dare to hope that the lights may soon be going on all over the UK and we will be getting the ship back on the road?

There is still a long road to travel before we reach the light at the end of the tunnel under whose beam the fat lady will be singing.

Seriously, I think that today’s editorial provides some limited optimism to believe that there may be change in the air.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Dunno, could be a white kipper

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Definitely something Rishi.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Ishy, wishy, lets get Rishi

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Nay, we must spare Rishi. He’s worth his weight in gold. At least I hope so. He’ll damn well need to be.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

They were saying that about the Pig Dictator a year ago

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I didn’t mean I really admire Fishi Rishi. I just hope he’s got lots and lots of gold.

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Research Thélème Partners. Thelema (its motto: “Do What You Will” is also that of the hedge fund) is a satanic philosophy developed by Aleister Crowley, one of the most evil and depraved men ever to have drawn breath.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

He got the slogan from Rabelais. But Rabelais said it applied only to people who were so naturally virtuous that they would never want to do anything bad.
But Rabelais had his tongue firmly in his cheek.

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gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

lol!

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Irony obviously.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

He only has fools’ gold.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

He’s a snake, Don’t ever doubt it.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Well there’s definitely something fishy cooking the goose

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Dear Deidre

You are right I should leave him

I feel so foolish, all the life and confidence has been sucked out of me. I know I must leave

He has now changed all the locks, locked me in and I can’t get out of the house

He sends over a guy called Mandy to watch over me when he’s out. Mandy is really, really weird

I rang the police. Someone called Mrs Watercress rang back and said I should be ashamed of myself and I deserved everything I had coming.

I wrote to my MP but I never get a reply

I contacted the Courts, but they are on holiday until 2025

I feel I might snap and do something foolish

Yours in hope

Niatirb Taerg

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago

Every politician and organisation in Aus are congratulating us in Victoria for ‘zero covid’. Feel a burning fury whenever I see those posts.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

You have been zero covid for a year

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Zero lots of things, actually.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

They would congratulate a corpse for having achieved Zero Life.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

I’ve had to stop looking at any media related to Australia. It’s too depressing. I’ve faced officious authorities in Australia and they are terrifying. To think of those poor people locked up in tower blocks, unable to get a breath of fresh air because they were surrounded by police was horrifying. I’ve also witnessed the ignorance of racist Australians. I’ve had those arguments and have seen, first hand, how susceptible to brain washing they are. And how cruel they can be. I love Australia. I’ve had so many wonderful experiences there are met good people. The insane and barbaric way in which the authorities have abused the entire population is unforgivable. Australian hubris is the worst. Even worse than British. They will NEVER back down from this grotesque position of “We beat the virus by having the toughest lockdown.” My heart is broken. I know I’ll never go there again. They will be the first country to impose vaccination as a condition of entry. They don’t care if it’s an unsafe vaccine for a virus that no longer exists (because it’s mutated into the next cold virus). They just LOVE power. Condolences to you. Keep up the good fight. Watch… Read more »

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I shall never go there either. It would be like spending a holiday in Auschwitz.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The problem with Oz is not so much that we sent our criminals there but that we also sent prison officers…

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Ironically, we sent political dissidents there.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Their gene pool must have died out.

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Matt The Cat
Matt The Cat
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

We spent about a month in Australia back in late 2006/early 2007. Can’t remember exactly, but I know it was shortly after Steve Irwin died because we had planned to spend a couple of days at his zoo in Queensland – one of the primary reasons for our visit, along with meeting up with Brit immigrant mates (I refuse to call them ex-pats) who had emigrated a few years previously, and “doing” Sydney (a horrendous dump by the way – AVOID!). I was under no illusions about the PC-poofery which Oz had been bewitched by in the preceding 20 years, and when the immigration officer at Sydney did the usual bullshit “small talk” routine with me he said I “didn’t look that happy to be here, mate”, to which I replied I wasn’t here by choice and considered the place to be a sterile, Nanny-state bore-fest which I didn’t really like much, and couldn’t wait to get home. His attitude changed a bit then. Not so friendly. Still, at least he didn’t send me for a cavity search. A sarcastic “Try and enjoy yourself anyway, mate” as he waved me on was all I got …. he got a mega… Read more »

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

The Mad Max/Crocodile dundee Australia of the 80’s looked cool.
Then Neighbours and Home and Away came along.
Australia re-imagined it’s self into a horrible authoritarian dictatorship and all the citizens were transformed into soap opera characters, who lived in a world that was like being perpetually in school and a generation grew up under the guidance of organised social engineering. All of them carbon cut-outs of Charlene and Scott and Alf Stewart.

Australia have been at the helm of repressive law making for a long time. Plain packaging on cigarettes, compulsory cycle helmets, strict border controls and bio-security paranoia.

Australia is also a mammoth flight away and 18 hours on a plane makes me cringe.
I am not too bothered about going unless things radically change there.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I quite agree. 20 years ago now and three years into the first Blair government I find it hard to believe that we considered emigrating to Oz or NZ because at that time they still looked like bastions of freedom and liberty.

Then as you say they started bringing in anti-smoking laws and other repressive public health measures and suddenly those countries didn’t look as attractive.

I am so glad that we never finalised the decision to emigrate.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I live here and I’ve been trying to avoid Aus media for months.

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Carlo
Carlo
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Sky is pretty good.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Could they form a bubble with New Zealand?

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dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Oooh I don’t think NZ would want that!

Someone might end up actually “going” there again!

What then?

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

As a fellow Australian I share your rage – in spades.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Nope. Just wait for the vaccine. ‘Covid safe’ procedures everywhere of course. After the Danish mask study came out, we no longer have to wear masks outdoors.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

What?! Is that real? Australia stopped the mask mandate on base of the Danish study?! That’s fantastic. It’s been all but buried in the UK.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I’ve barely been following Aus news so I don’t know the Danish study was covered much. I read one Aus scientist who referenced the study. We still have to wear the wretched things indoors.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

One of endless vaccines tied to immunity passports. The end of freedom

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

A winter cold that goes away in summer.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

The seasonality was obvious from day dot but they ‘just don’t know’.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

It was said here at LS numerous times as far back as May that covid would make a normal seasonal return this autumn or winter and that it would be labelled Second wave.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Yes. It will decline in March/April although perhaps not entirely disappear. Politicians will probably take credit, when in reality it is just the nature of the beast.

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Dale
Dale
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Mike Yeadon maintains that viruses never “second wave.” He further maintains that the so-called second wave of Spanish Flu was likely another agent. Adds that there is a growing consensus on the matter.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

It’s a huge lie

Zero Covid = loss of liberty, depression, anxiety, poverty, suicide

It seems like most politicians are corrupt

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annie
annie
5 years ago

Sacked? Jailed.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

No (half) measures! However, mild and moderate sceptics may wish to refrain from reading further than the end of your original comment.

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Pablo
Pablo
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

You’re right – sacking / jailing is not enough. The people who advocated this outrageous and deeply damaging ‘cure’ for a relatively mild disease are guilty of horrendous crimes against humanity. Thousands have died needlessly in the UK and many more will follow due to people not being able to get needed medical treatment during lockdowns. Many innocents have had their lives ruined by these insane diktats by the lunatics in charge, and there needs to be a reckoning. The politicians and ‘scientists’ making these decisions, in full knowledge of the devastating effects, are guilty of murder. Let’s call it what it is.
https://www.corbettreport.com/lockdowns/

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Pablo

The mainstream media too, has been appalling

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Dale
Dale
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Arguably, this above else. If politicians ought to be jailed, the media ought to be horse-whipped, then jailed.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Dale

The ultimate blame rests with our corrupt government who have colluded with a globalist cabal, headed up by the depopulation by vaccination supremo, Bill Gates.

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Carlo
Carlo
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Don’t forget Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum and his Great Reset!!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

How about our traditional punishment of hung,drawn and quartered.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Messy, but effective.

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Arkansas
Arkansas
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Messy? Well, there will be lots of unused PPE lying around. No good for a virus perhaps, but surely good enough for splashback.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Messy and appropriate.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

…and truly excellent for the purpose of “encouraging the others”.

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Heads! Spikes! Walls! It’s the only way

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Hanging is too good for them. As is Madame Guillotine.
A modern method is required.
Death by vaccine. Or better yet, a slow lingering crippling death from transverse myelitis

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anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris John

death by a thousand vaccines

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

Just do everything that they have been doing to us. See how they like it. In the Tower, self-isolating, no visits, no drinking, smoking, exercise, daily briefings from the Guardian and the BBC on 24 hours a day, etc. Drive them mad.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

One dose will probably do it.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris John

Yes indeed, that is exactly what they’ve been planning for the rest of us.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

We should reopen Tower Hill for that.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Or Tyburn?

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Can’t real reopen Tyburn as there is Marble Arch there now…but it could work..A quick hanging and some shopping on Oxford street.The golden 16 hundreds!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Government bodies hanging from marble Arch, sounds good.

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stevie119
stevie119
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Maybe a severe beating with a roll of barbed wire then drowning in a bucket of battery acid?

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I’m all for throwing those criminals into the nearest active volcano

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

And all their assets seized.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Northumberland Nomad has been pulled up before for going soft on those who are carrying what is probably the biggest fraud in world history. Clearly some of the people “in authority” are guilty of mass murder and treason. The punishments must reflect the extreme nature of their crimes.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

You will of course remember that the foul and disgusting Blair removed the last remaining death penalty (for treason) just before leaving office.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

In days to be, there will be a blue plaque on that lonely shed, to commemorate the devoted self-sacrifice of a champion Sceptic.
We will all gather in a closely packed, bare-faced crowd to witness the unveiling, and give three loud cheers before adjourning to the nearest (surviving) pub.

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rose
rose
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

A composting toilet? I recommend the book Humanure!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Let’s all donate sheets of bog paper until Toby is on a roll.

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Single? Twin? Chuck Norris? What type? Embossed with puppies?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Groan!

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I posted this here back in about May:

Apparently he writes it all in the shed at the bottom of his garden, rarely stepping out into the sunlight. In a few decades’ time someone will put one of those plaques on the decaying timbers, saying something along the lines of: ‘From this humble shed, in 2020, Toby Young, ran his anti-lockdown website, and kept the flames of liberty and free-thinking alive when all seemed lost.’ 

People will come from around the world to visit, as a sort of pilgrimage. Appeals will be set up to maintain and to restore the hallowed structure to its former glory – sort of mini Chartwell, as it were. Books containing each day’s postings will be on sale outside, and probably there’ll be a cafe selling teas and coffees in replica Lockdown Sceptics mugs. 

And people will like to think that had they been lockdown, back in 2020, they too would have had the wit and gumption to see through the fraud for what it was, and that they too would have made their stand. The vast majority wouldn’t, of course: they would have followed the herd, like almost everyone else. 

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

One of the adverts above is saying ‘Grab a tissue before you see Petula Clark a almost 90’

Titter ye not

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dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

phwooaaar! i’m talkin’ “downtown”!!!

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Moomin
Moomin
5 years ago

Not sure I can take much more of this madness.

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paul brunner
paul brunner
5 years ago

If the story about Genevieve Briand’s findings about the US Covid death rate is correct, this will be one of the biggest cons ever perpetrated by government/medical sources.
It needs to be followed up urgently by someone with stats/mats litercy

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  paul brunner

What’s the story?

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I mean, it’s already obvious to me. The gig was up for me when I watched the press conference given by the Bakersfield doctors in April questioning the lethality of the virus, warning against the destruction to our immune systems by isolation of people, questioning why small stores were forced to close and big corporations allowed to stay open, exposing the fact that doctors and hospitals received additional public funds if they wrote “covid” on the death certificate (which they were allowed to do even if they “suspected” it). After a million views with tens of thousands of upticks, YouTube pulled it. That’s when I got really, really scared. Started digging around in the “Coronavirus Act” and found same things going on here. Criminally lax rules for who could sign a death certificate, encouragement to write “covid” if they suspected it, total indemnity from any medical malpractice. And the most chilling thing, I found, was NOT ONCE in public messaging were people advised to do anything to boost their immunity. Normal things: go outside, mix with others when you are well, have contact with children and domestic pets, take zinc and VitD, eat lots of fresh veg. To say that… Read more »

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Graham Strouts
Graham Strouts
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I agree. This is the Great Reset in practice. We can analyse the inconsistencies in the policies and foibles of the politicians all we like, none of this is relevant. It is a staged pandemic to introduce technocracy. All this talk about the government making “own goals” is nonsense- it’s all planned. There won’t be elections worthy of the name in the future, unless they too are staged. There will be staged economic collapse and currency reset next year, the government is already warning of systemic collapse including food shortages- this is all being engineered.
It may already be too late, and certainly looks bleak, but all this hand-wringing about “the data” will achieve nothing in itself unless we wake up to what is really happening to the world.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham Strouts

The fake allies depress me the most. The politicians and the blue ticks who’ve been anti-lockdown for months but who are suddenly promoting the vaccine make me despair. There traitors to humanity

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Omg that is the MOST depressing thing! Even more selfish that lockdowners are the “I don’t care about the safety issues, just roll out any vaccine if it means I can go to the Maldives.” Or “Fine, I’ll vaccinate my children if it means we can cross the Scottish border to go to our castle for the summer.” Selfish, abusive and ignorant. Why not just let your children smoke a cigarette each day? They probably stand a better statistical chance of escaping any major health issues than giving them a dubious vaccine. The worst are the ones that go, “but yellow fever”… argh! What is wrong with people?! NOT ALL VACCINES ARE EQUAL! We are talking here about a totally experimental (mRNA) vaccine that has never been approved before, for a virus that was only “discovered” a year ago and is VERY likely gone – in any particularly strong strain – from most populations. There is a REASON that no one has ever discovered an effective coronavirus vaccine before – it’s because they are too short lived. They mutate too quickly. There is no more SARS. There is no more MERS. There will soon be no more SARS-Cov-2. They just… Read more »

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Big Pharma is a criminal organisation

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-2.3-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Anti-lockdown crusader Anna Brees seems to be controlled opposition

https://twitter.com/LaraCrabb/status/1331893875099754497?s=20

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Anna Brees. I don’t love everything she says. But she’s a journalist, she’s trying to be balanced. She asks questions. She’s trying not to be biased like most of the MSM. I took the post she “liked” to be sarcastic. I’m seeing a lot of sarcasm on line at the moment. I think it might be a campaign to trick the algorithms so people don’t get shadow banned. If it is, it’s genius. Some bright spark has figured out that AI can’t tell the difference between genuine and sarcastic. Let’s play along, I say.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I don’t trust her. She once tweeted that she didn’t understand why people were leaving negative comments on WEF sites. Lol

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

She’s a Borg.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Reverse engineer/hack the algorithms.

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Sceptic in SA
Sceptic in SA
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

This is a good example to come back with vs the “Yellow fever” answer. The H1N1 vaccine is probably a good comparison, and look how that ended. even the heavily censored and at time untrhful Wikipedia admits it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Adverse_outcomes

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in SA

Woah!! Reading all that information on Pandemrix is horrific. Doesn’t feel real!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Absolutely right. Never, never, never give up. If we soldier on, THEY. can’t win. They are attempting a war of attrition. We will not be attritted!

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

It is WW3

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Yep, WW3 started as soon as WW2 was over, a slow drip of transforming society and making the 1% even richer

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

I’d say it started well before WW2 with IG Farben, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, among others.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

What else do they want to buy?? There won’t be anything left worth having?

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

The thing is i genuinely dont want any part of world they are creating so to stay in it seems like unnecessary torture.
This is a purely pragmatic feeling not a dramatic one. I am not brave enough to do anything to bring it on, but death will be welcome.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Don’t give up yet! We need you for numbers!!!

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DeepBlueYonder
DeepBlueYonder
5 years ago
Reply to  paul brunner

The Briand article has been withdrawn:

https://twitter.com/JHUNewsLetter/status/1332100155986882562?s=20

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

See also:

https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/

Last edited 5 years ago by DeepBlueYonder
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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  DeepBlueYonder

This seems to be the webinar that the article was based on…
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3TKJN61aflI

The twitter feed under that pathetic retraction by John Hopkins is blowing up!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  DeepBlueYonder

More censorship!!!!!!

Though making clear the need for further research, the article was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic. We regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.

https://twitter.com/JHUNewsLetter/status/1332100155986882562

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  paul brunner

Beforeit was censored interesting tu see the comments ofthe article which were very much sceptic about pndemic,rather astonishing if they were John Hpkins alumni below is one comment which I find interesting,a fuly marxist person very much lockdonsceptic “I would suggest simply looking at the data and making one’s case. It’s pretty odd for someone like myself, a Marxist, to witness how it is that on “all things Covid” the conservative right-wingers are pretty much accurate with their analysis while the US liberal right-wingers have devolved into outright proto-fascists on “all things Covid.” I would also avoid using ratemyprofessors as a measure of anything- not quite as sinister as today’s supposedly neutral “fact checking” orgs who receive funding from vested interests- but still utterly useless. What you are going to find if you look is that year’s overall mortality rate in the US (and in Europe as it is well-documented) will be no different than last years. Both years will show increases right in the same percentile. I track this weekly BTW and have the data on overall US mortality trends since 1950. There was and is no pandemic. There was a roughly 6 week period in March/April where death… Read more »

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Definitely exhibits the characteristic tunnel vision of the old left die-hards – thinking that politics is defined entirely by narrow economic issues. That’s how they come up with this delusional fantasy stuff about everyone in power being “right-wing”. They define right-wing as “not agreeing with Marxism about how economics should be run”, and then find that – amazingly – everyone sensible since Marxism-based economics was utterly discredited in the 1970s seems to be “right-wing” – even the zealots seeking to radically change society to build it back better, to conform with some collectivist, internationalist, politically correct ideological fantasy.

The reality is that politics, and the right/left divide that approximates one major spectrum within it, is about everything affecting how life is run in a society. It’s far, far broader than the absurd narrowness of the economics-only vision maniacally gripped by the usually Thatcher-obsessed, Marx-inspired old left.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

One way Marxist?

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Wayne Keogh
Wayne Keogh
5 years ago

Flatten the cure, protect the NHS, social distance, don you’re masks!! This is going nowhere, this country is now a dictatorial state. The people conformed to the regulations whether they believe or not but yesterday the screw was tightened – the totalitarian tiptoe is now starting to run, only people power will end this tyranny.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Keogh

No it isn’t, even with a massive majority Johnson cannot piss off over 100 of his MPs. Plus, I have confidence in the judiciary.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I have faith in the judiciary, too, but this government is going to try and push through changes that will change the judiciary’s reach. They also plan to abolish the House of Lords. I feel really frightened by what’s looming down the road.

I highly recommend watching the House of Lords Constitutional Committee hearings. Some of the most powerful people in the country going on record in total condemnation of the government’s actions. Listening to them is reassuring – even if temporary. And at least what they say will be on record forever.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Agreed. I really think they’ve over reached. And Boris’ slip yesterday that suggested Whitty is really in charge won’t have helped the blood pressure of Baker, Swayne et al.
I am hopeful that even if this passes with opposition help, Boris will be shown the door. He can’t command authority over his party and only getting measures through with opposition help is a very bad look.

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Bill h
Bill h
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Yes, that slip of BoJos wa telling.

Watch it here are just after 52min.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000qn92/bbc-news-special-coronavirus-daily-update-26112020

‘We will have a vaccine, Chris has talked me into it’.

Astonishing.

(Perhaps so,done technically more savvy could snip this piece out and send it around as a sound bite ?)

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill h

Don’t believe it, it’s almost certainly bullshit to reinforce the ‘following the science’ lie (and we think that the famous photo of Whitty apparently threatening Johnson may have been a fake, too): The perception, therefore, created and disseminated by the UK media, that there is tension and disagreement between SAGE and the Government — which is depicted as a struggle between the responsible, communitarian, pro-lockdown scientists and the irresponsible, libertarian, anti-lockdown Government — is a pure fiction. This has been carefully constructed to make the public believe that if this group of intellectually independent academics think we should obey Government lockdown restrictions on our freedoms and rights, then we’d better listen to them. Wikipedia’s claim that members ‘are not generally employed by government’ is an easily-proved lie; and calls by the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition for the Government to ‘listen to SAGE’ is like telling the Treasury to listen to the Department of Health and Social Care. In practice, SAGE is and always has been an arm of the UK Government whose members are paid and instructed to say precisely what they are saying. The delayed publication of its meetings and reports is a public relations stunt intended to… Read more »

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Wayne Keogh
Wayne Keogh
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

Excellent!! Totally agree & thank you for posting

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

But even if the majority of the country realises that something is amiss, it is probably too late. The economic implosion has already been triggered and we are in the Wile E Coyote treading air phase. Martial law and a form of communism are probably the only options now; the only way to avoid a Mad Max scenario being for the state to run everything. Even those ideologically opposed to such a policy are already ensnared in it and will ‘need’ it to happen for their very survival.

Last edited 5 years ago by Barney McGrew
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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I’m not sure I agree. This can be turned around with the right policies but the question is does any existing party have the political will to do so? They have to avoid their unimaginative tendencies to tax their way out of it and to implement crippling green agendas. They must support enterprise and encourage growth.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

This is so true. The problem is our side has no visibility. Talk radio get about 20,000 views per programme stuff on youtube by Ivor Cummings gets about 10,000. Even a shitshow like question time on the BBC gets a million. The horror that is GMB with chunky Morgan and that f*cking quack hilary get over a million views. We really need Nigel to start taking Yeardon and Craig and Lee onto prime time tv with his new party. And we really need the uni kids party to take off. It’s their future we are butchering after all.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

QT was down to 600,000 last week, its lowest ever.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

WOT=Waste Of Time.

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

According to RT, Portuguese High Court has pissed on PCR test.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Keogh

The brainwashing is massive. Yesterday I was walking back from town, the pavement on a particular stretch along a main road is narrow, an older woman is walking towards me and as we get closer I see that she is frantically and I mean frantically digging in her pocket to get her mask to put on and then without looking she steps into the carriageway to avoid me. It’s just unbelievable that she thought she was safer to step into a busy main road to avoid me than pass me directly.

Yet again today, to pick up a prescription from the docs, the pharmacy nurse opens the window, I’m stood 3m away and the first she asks is, “Where’s your mask?”. I politely told her, “I don’t have one and besides I’m stood 3m from you”. All the time my inner voice is screaming, “You complete fucking idiot get a fucking grip and stop pissing your pants over a relatively small risk”.

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dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

….All the time my inner voice is screaming, “You complete fucking idiot get a fucking grip and stop pissing your pants over a relatively small risk”…..

Oh! How I know how you feel!

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Wayne Keogh
Wayne Keogh
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

LOL!! it really is quite frightening how these muppets behave, I’ve stopped trying to enlighten people now, this far into the scamdemic the brainwashed are too far gone, the majority of them actually deserve what’s coming.

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Will
Will
5 years ago

Brilliant update this morning. Thank you.

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago

If you use write to them they note copy paste text will be blocked. A pity we can’t expect the same from them tossers grifting in Westminster

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Will
Will
5 years ago

But you won’t win people around by telling them they are stupid, as we saw with Brexit. Encourage people to begin questioning the illogicality of the situation and they might start digging and then they will take ownership of their opinion, which is when they start influencing others. My stupid step sister gave away her wobble yesterday by reacting in the way she always does, when she knows she is in dodgy territory, attacking people. She is sticking her fingers in her ears and stamping her feet because she knows what she is hearing is true.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes so true and those circular arguments they throw at you, like killing granny, its young people’s fault, it’s our fault for not obeying the rules. You can just see Boris sitting there rubbing his hands together, yes, yes, let go of your feelings, feed the dark side, love the lockdown.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

it’s our fault for not obeying the rules

That’s the one I hear the most; drives me nuts.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Because it’s abusive.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Exactly; the classic line of the abuser blaming the abused for “forcing me to do it”.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

As he beats his clenched fists on the table. What a tosser.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

A very important point – we will not win by telling people they are stupid. These people are frightened and believe what they are told because of their conformist nature, because of that they will act illogically and panic. We need to try to calm them down and then they will begin to question the situation themselves

Note that the arguments used against us are almost always based on emotion and stocking guilt – kill grandpa etc. or demonising those that speak out against the orthodoxy – not the logic and facts that sensible people use.

The one ad hominem argument which I feel may be effective is one of hypocrisy – e,g, professor pantsdown – this type of behaviour makes people ask questions

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

All Brexit voters are Far Right worked very well.

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MsStroppster
MsStroppster
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I’ve got a (former) friend who does the same. Told me in no uncertain terms to stop emailing her links to various documents, links etc that might cause her to question the codi hysterical rhetoric. That friendship has more or less been destroyed. Fingers in ears as you say.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  MsStroppster

By their remarks shall ye know them (sadly). We need some politicians to sadlidie; even sadlidying of COVID would be fully acceptable.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago

“While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered.”

Not a good look for the opposition either, keeping Johnson from losing a vote and by extension in power. It weakens Starmer, who is a man of straw anyway.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

He has facilitated and legitimised this shit show. From the care home deaths, closed businesses, cancelled cancer treatment and empty schools. We need to turn the heat up on these cretins.

#Labouriscomplicit

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Complicit of crimes against humanity

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Yes and a human rights lawyer too. Perhaps the poor working class don’t count as humans?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Accomplices to murder and manslaughter.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

I will never vote Labour again. Voted Labour all my life, but never again

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Snap

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago

So deaths may have been mislabelled? That was policy and it wasn’t a secret.

What’s worrying is that it took this person over 6 months to figure that out.

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Josephine K
Josephine K
5 years ago

There are glimmers of hope- out on the Norfolk Broads yesterday- people ignoring the nonsense- amongst them three couples and their pre school kids all mingled together all laughing as their little ones splashed in the puddles and got covered in mud….so normal…so lovely

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

Reading todays LS, I suspect between now and the start of 2021 is the time to push back hard, each of us around the world doing our bit to wake up others, so as many people as possible can push the 1%.

If 100 conservative MPs are having doubts, how many members of the public are also thinking something is not right?

We know many people have been completely brain washed, and they are hopelessly lost, but many people have gone along with this farce as they do not want to rock the boat, these are the people we need to work on.

As the red wall wrecks small & medium sized independent businesses, in the north, this is the time of year people are going to feel the financial pain.

Pull together people, lets do this for future generations.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

looking forward to the demo in London tomorrow

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Liverpool seems to be having regular freedom walks.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I have a Romanian friend who was 16 when they had their revolution. He so much wanted to join in but his Mum made him stay at home. He bitterly regrets it.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

People from the former soviet block countries are the ones amongst who who know what we are all going to lose if we do nothing.

Not necessarily marching or protesting, but doing everything we can to inform and educate others, give confidence to them that we all need to act.

The simple act of going about our days doing what we want, when we want, unmasked and breathing good air in a simple act of defiance, imagine if many many people did this.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I agree. Not wearing a mask and having who you want when you want round your house are acts of defiance that can encourage others (never thought I would write something like this)

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Well said. My workplace is reopening next week and I shall be ready maskless with a smile on my face.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Yes it’s the reason Peter Hitchins is against open revolt as he has seen the consequences.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

He shouldn’t feel bad. I’d have kept my 16 year old at home too. That’s what Mums do. He was too young to join in but that’s not his fault.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

16 too young? I used to go up to London for gigs at 14 and even went to Glastonbury festival on my own and at 16 I had a moped and I was offski….I did all kinds of “interesting” things….

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Hey Steve, what demo is happening?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

,

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

There are certain elements of this scamdemic that cut right across the political and Covid divide; the most obvious being the blatant financial corruption and cronyism. Another, care home deaths and people still being infected in hospitals. These are the areas where Labour should be pressed. ‘Oppose these measures or you are complicit’. Very simple.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Keep fighting the good fight, kh

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The ignorance is staggering. I guess that’s what we get for years of education with no real learning and allowing the state to nanny us in so many ways. As an over 60 I avoid my GP as much as possible as I don’t want to start being pushed down the over medicated route. I saw my mother’s medications rise year on year and basically it was a spider to swallow a fly. That’s the medical ignorance and dependence. The financial and economic ignorance is just as damaging. People don’t know the difference between the national debt and the deficit and they actually believe “government money” exists. No, it’s your money they’re spending!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Tell me about that….. It is amazing how many elderly people could have had a great and healthy life if they were not on a handful of prescription drugs that contraindicate with each other.

Let’s End the Prescription Drug Death Epidemic

Deaths from prescription drug overdoses have been called the “silent epidemic” for years, and now, with one American dying every 19 minutes from an accidental prescription drug overdose it’s being described as “the biggest man-made epidemic in the United States.”

75 Percent of Patients Taking Popular Blood Thinners Are Given Wrong Dose

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/28/prescription-drug-death.aspx

People are not deficient in drugs, they are deficient in nutrients

Last edited 5 years ago by Victoria
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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

There is a firm called First Data Bank that GPs are supposed to refer to when combining different medicines for people with multiple conditions.

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Twig
Twig
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Well well said!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Watch CNN. Lots of adverts for Drugs. Millions/Billions are being spent on these ads every year.

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JulieR
JulieR
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

My ex-friend GP has said that everyone over 50 should take statins. I said to her Why should I take any drug if I am healthy?
Do they get brainwashed at medical school or later?
I then did my research and found out statins have lots of side effects.

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Do I take it you will have to serve a substantial meal with your cuppas KH? Sadly so many people are taken in by the nonsense, the sillier it gets the more they believe. My friend Mike I mentioned the other day said, while we were discussing a piece of electronic kit, ‘we can’t get together and do that at the moment but once we have all had our jabs we can’. So without a jab I will be forbidden to enter his house, seriously…

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  davews

Two things: 1. Uttlesford DC has a palatial HQ. 2. The condition of the roads gets progressively worse as you get near to SW. Tells you all you need to know.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

it is same with the big charities . Huge new offices and huge salaries and administrations . if you ever feel charitable go local and small

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Actually it is your grandchildrens money being spent, partly on spivs and chances.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I think January, traditionally the most hopeless month of the year, is our best opportunity.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

As always kh, you are so right. Too many of my parents’ generation (I am 39) don’t think that the government will come after their money. They are deluded.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

They are deluded.

So true. Most pensioners with a savings investment will not get any return for years. They will have to live off their capital.

State pensions will not increase. Private pensions might be affected (the stock-market is doing quite well at this stage but only if invested in the right stocks – many big players under stress and /or possible closures).

Taxes will increase – yes many pay tax on their pensions

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Well said kh. As we’ve said here before the financial and economic illiteracy among people is staggering. Ditto the faux sympathy and virtue signalling especially if they’re living it up and thinking that all those redundancies, bankruptcies, untreated illnesses and mental health issues won’t affect them.

I’ve told certain people I know that Economic Armageddon is just around the corner and even those living in large homes with gardens and lovely jobs won’t be able to escape that.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

That’s what depresses me the most: The fact that any pension and savings that I have built up over 40 years will be decimated by inflation and tax raids to pay for this.

I don’t claim to be any financial or economic wizard but even amongst my peers (largely degree qualified professional people) I find the level of financial ignorance staggering.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

I have a friend who is a fellow LS and we have both discussed how inflation, tax raids and fall in value can have bad effects on savings and pensions.

What really annoyed me were former colleagues who had the “I’m alright Jack attitude” and had the nerve to belittle people who were finding it hard to cope with lockdown, couldn’t wear masks and generally had different opinions to theirs. I’m sorry to say this but I won’t be shedding any tears for them if and when inflation and tax raids hit their wealth which means that they can’t go abroad 5-6 times a year now or live the high life. They will have to suck it up and put up with this crap like the rest of us.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I think it’s time to stop pussyfooting around and call a spade a spade in simple direct terms as these people will not understand anything else.
All they worry about is whether can have chocolate sprinkles on their drink – pathetic!

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

Swedish all cause mortality still below 5 year average

https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/

table 1

But their stress free population, having spent all summer enjoying the sun rather than miserably locked up in flats will have exceptional immune systems. Stress and not being outside enough will cause more deaths than covid in the UK

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Sweden’s fallen though. Looks like it’s also under the thumb of the WEF

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Dale
Dale
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Yes, there are no hero nations. Only heroic individuals.

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Albie
Albie
5 years ago

Starmer would be foolish to call for a national lockdown. It would be a misjudgement of public mood so I don’t think he will. It’s like asking the arsonist who burned your house down if he will burn the neighbours down too, to make things even.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Starmer is a coward and failed human rights lawyer amongst other things. One cannot expect him to do the right thing….he lacks ability.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

We need to turn the heat up on this chump

#Labouriscomplicit

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Well, he did, didn’t he? And he eventually got it!

Doubt he will do it again, though.

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Since when has Starmer cared about the public mood? He couldn’t read it if it was printed out on paper for him.

All he had to do when this started was to get another side of the story from people like Gupta, Yeadon, Hennigan et al. Build up the evidence against lockdowns and block the government at every turn. He would have sailed in to no 10 at the next election. He would have been seen as the Hero that defeated the Totalitarian Tory government and he’d have gone down in History as a great leader. Unfortunately for us, he’s as thick and spineless as the rest of them and has climbed in to bed with Boris. Another piss weak politician who is just in it for the money and power.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Right on! Another Phony Corona enabler.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Politicians are exempt from lockdown as well testing, face masks etc..

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

this morning on Talk Radio JHB interviews a guy called Paul Emburey (a trade unionist) about his new book “why the Modern Left hates the working class”. Starmer is just the front for the modern left.

note aswell as an interview with the ridiculous Robert Jenrick she also interviews a doctor who is part of the national screening exercise who takes apart the whole test and trace process

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fosterc
fosterc
5 years ago

The briefing document for MP’s regarding the PCR tests is really useful but it still contains a lot of words over seven letters long. Redraft anybody

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  fosterc

Agree. Also, a lot of these discussions around PCR etc go straight over most people’s heads. Most switch off immediately.

I suggest a simple slogan to get trending #Labouriscomplicit

It can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean.

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fosterc
fosterc
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Thanks for your reply’s. The realisation that MP’s aren’t all that bright has come as a bit of surprise. We could perhaps fall back to simple diagrams using primary colours. Good luck everyone.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  fosterc

I doubt I can be bothered to send that to my MP. I explained the false positives to her in words of one syllable some weeks ago. She didn’t even address the point in her reply. They just are not listening and why should we waste time telling them the same thing over and over? She’s lost my vote forever but she doesn’t care because she thinks there are plenty more. I hope she’s wrong.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Mine the same. I’ve tried the PCR stuff on him; totally tin-eared. “Getting the numbers down” is all that matters. Unfortunately it doesn’t help that my local authority is a so-called “hotspot”.

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I’ve sent numerous letters with piles of evidence to my (Labour stooge) MP. Never addresses any of the points, I’ve given up. Thick as shite he is, another career MP. He purports to care about the people of the region of the North East I live in. However, he happily votes for lockdowns every time, helping to destroy his constituents businesses and lives. As long as he get his huge wage packet though, I’m sure that’s all he cares about.

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Jane G
Jane G
5 years ago
Reply to  fosterc

Did it last night (well, about 1 a.m) as the article was here then, under a different title. I am beyond certain it will fly past the target and MP will neither read the message pleading for an end to PCR, nor open the link.
My MP is more interested in car parking and banning sky lanterns – that and side effects caused by micro-chipping cats. I despair; wish I could get to the King’s X demo.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  fosterc

Try this beginning:

As the DHSC cannot give a definitive answer to the questions:

1 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test 

2 – how can positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

I contacted a manufacturer of RT-PCR tests that the UK Government use at present.

In their technical documentation they sent me it states:

“The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

“Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.”

“This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen”

“This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.”

“Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.”

Please explain why the RT-PCR test is being used to justify any restrictions.

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Marion Woodville
Marion Woodville
5 years ago

If you feel impotent and want to DO SOMETHING to stop this madness, why not check out “Back to Normal” We are a rapidly growing grassroots group delivering leaflets to the public outlining an alternative approach to Covid-19.  
 
We have produced a free leaflet which can double as a window or car sticker and is easy to post door to door or hand out in the street (when not in lockdown). This is something every lockdown sceptic can do.  Leaflets produced to date number 60,000 already and demand is growing.

It all works through a nationwide network, consisting essentially of ordinary citizens, alone or in groups of friends. We are gaining numbers daily.  It’s one that we can do something to roll back the tide of lies and manipulation. Also you have the opportunity to meet likeminded sceptics and find someone sane to talk to!

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Marion Woodville

I am starting to distribute my leaflets today in The Range which is bustling with Christmas shoppers. I’m going to tuck them into the goods on sale, customers can pull them out if curious.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Marion Woodville

There is also ‘The Light’ newspaper which is looking for distributors.

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

I’ve put my name forward for both. Awaiting instructions

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Marion Woodville

Like your website. However, it is a pity that you have a yahoo email – yahoo scans all your emails and will then also have a log of everyone that contacted you.

protonmail.com is an encrypted email (protecting both your details and that of those that contact you). Free accounts available

Last edited 5 years ago by Victoria
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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

I was shocked that the government even had the power to implement lockdown. Maybe when this is over and everyone (apart from Ferguson) realises it was a massive mistake – we can limit government power constitutionally and permanently. It would be a mini revolution and some good can come out of this. If we don’t, the next lockdown is just a matter of time – if we have a repeat of 2017/18 flu season or mink virus or whatever comes next.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

According to Lord Sumption, and the thrust of the Dolan case, they indeed did not have the power to do this under the 1984 Act. They should have used the Civil Contingencies Act which requires much more parliamentary scrutiny and regular review and renewal.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We were writing something similar at the same time I think. Totally agree

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Too true. How on earth have they been able to do this in the UK? I guess we got complacent and took our eye off the ball. We really must make sure this cannot happen again. I’m fairly sure it isn’t unlawful and the Act used only allows them to restrict the movement of the infected, not the healthy but the wheels of judicial review turn far too slowly Andy need the very wealthy to be prepared to set them going. We need something much more decisive in future and possibly a written constitution which states that the government can never vote itself more powers.
I’m not a lawyer so I may just be ranting irrationally but something must be done.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Bloody spellchecker- *is* unlawful not isn’t

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I think autocorrect works for the other side. It so often says the opposite of what we mean.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

It constantly does that to me. It just changed that does to doesn’t for instance!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

How about turning it off?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

The real stupidity Steph is that during Brexit 50% of the population thought the government was lying and was prepared to go on demos to prove their case. They joined websites and argued on twitter shouting their known facts about these lies. They investigated the facts before forming an opinion. But now 70% think the government cannot be lying and is protecting us from this killer disease. And is prepared to take everything the government says as the truth! How do we get these muggles to question the party line?

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

I don’t know. I can see how we got here, I think, which was Project Fear on steroids and the general scientific illiteracy of the populace.
I’ve seen many an intelligent person glaze over when asked to consider statistics or science. They just don’t want to try.
I hope that the backbench rebellion will gather pace because as they say how can they tell their constituents that lockdowns are the answer when we are in a higher tier now than before the last one? Hopefully fighting for their political future, so long as they are not hoping for a government job from Boris, will have them see the light.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

If they think there’s a chance Boris will be ousted or resign then they’re less likely to believe there’s a government job in prospect for them. The bigger the rebellion looks, the more it looks like time is running out for the leadership and the more will be inclined to join the rebellion. Similarly, if Labour think it’ll look like they’re responsible for the vote going through, more of them will want to disassociate with it and could thus prevent it going through.

Last edited 5 years ago by Andrew Fish
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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

When Will Jones says:

While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed.

he is mistaken. The Covid Recovery Group could lead a successful rebellion by the simple expedient of having its members write letters to Graham Brady (1922 Committee), or even just telling Number Ten that they intend to do so unless there is complete change of approach to the virus.

The mere threat of a leadership contest is likely to be sufficient to persuade Boris Johnson to make the necessary changes. But if it were insufficient, triggering an election contest would inevitably place the government’s responses to the virus centre stage and facilitate a consideration of a variety of approaches, in which sceptical voices, calling for a proportionate response to the virus could at last be heard.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

‘Centre stage’, is there anything else apart from lockdown on the stage ?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

There would be for Tories who aspire to be the leader of their party and the prime minister of the country.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I have begged my MP to write to the 1922 committee. I agree this is one way out. We all know the virus will have gone by Spring through a combination of herd immunity and seasonal suppression. I just don’t want to wait that long

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

You’ll still have to accept the vaccine if you want to do anything

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Stop begging and demand/insist that your MP write to the 1922 Committee.

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fosterc
fosterc
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Virus will be gone… but at that point the bombshell will be dropped. It will go something like this,

“The virus has devastated the economy and caused many deaths, It cannot be allowed to happen again therefore we implementing measures to protect you this Winter… etc etc . “

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I think we all know – or at least hope we do by now – that this ‘rebellion’ is nothing of the sort. We need to turn our guns on the Opposition.

#Labouriscomplicit

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Censored Dog
Censored Dog
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Labour are not the ones in power. If we focus on them, the real dictators can run around and do what they like.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Censored Dog

They are already! Think pragmatically!

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Censored Dog
Censored Dog
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

But isn’t this the reason why most people voted Tory in the last election? Because Labour was worse? This sort of tactical voting is very detrimental and another solution has to be found.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Or if one of the other majors like Germany, Spain or France puts the kibosh on testing the sheepies will all follow. Place your best on who will blink first. My money is on macron

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alw
alw
5 years ago

Boris is the author of his own demise. The dam wall has sprung a leak which grows larger by the day.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

He should pull his finger out.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

god where are the dam busters when you need them!? Need to blast the useless dictator and his cronies out of downing street!

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

If the return to these hellish Tiers was a ‘concession’, then what the hell did Johnson really have planned for us?! An extended full lockdown?

Plus these new Tiers are a pretty poor concession. I know we say it a lot on here but the tide is really turning, again – my impression is that more people are very angry about being put under worse restrictions after lockdown than before it. Plus all the true-blue Tory home county constituencies haven’t been spared this time round so fingers crossed that some of Johnson’s key voter base, on which he thought he could rely, will now be turning against him. His political career is absolutely in tatters, it’s just a question of when he goes. My bf reckons he’ll hang on for another couple of years (because that’s probably how long this crisis has to run) and then quietly duck away once the inevitable enquiry begins.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Very well said but I do hope your bf is wrong. I really can’t bear another 2 years of the clown destroying us and I can’t bear watching what it does to my family either.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Agree but I hope we don’t have to wait that long to get rid of Johnson. I reckon he will be out by the New Year.

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I’m from the North East and would never vote for the Tories again. They have ruined the country and they ain’t finished yet. I wouldn’t vote Labour either, a bunch of lefty champagne socialists, woke, virtue signalling psychopaths. Oh, and Labour would have had us in permanent lockdown, they have said as such on many occasions. Doesn’t really leave anybody to vote for that has a realistic chance of getting in to power. We are fooked.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

I hope for some of the new parties to be genuine or it’s a lifetime of spoilt ballots for me.

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Agree. Never conservative, never labour agains as they both culpable for decimating the economy, killing people and aspirations.

Spoiling a ballot appear is meaningless – it just helps the strongest of the two parties.

In the end we will need to vote for another party even if you do not fully agree what they stand for

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

SDP party look like they share our values etc. I have seen their leader on TalkRadio many times and he is a Lockdown Sceptic. Talks a lot of sense. Hates the woke generation, green shite, etc, etc. They could worth a shout. However I can see most of the people in this country voting for the two parties that have locked them up for better part of a year for a flu virus!

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Agree with SDP – heard their leader and he was excellent. To be honest i hadn’t heard of them before

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Censored Dog
Censored Dog
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The LibDems has been pretty much radio silence from the very beginning, but what we do have to remember is that they voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus (Enabling) Act in September. If enough of us join their party and vote for them, we can influence them to take a stronger stance, which will win them votes.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Censored Dog

Our Lib Dem “leader” is a devout Covidian, she is insane. She loves the face nappies.

I had a run in with her before face-nappy day in a shop, I was giving the cashier lady the sceptical canon and she was ear-wigging, then she jumped into the conversation, wearing her face nappy, “Oh!” she said haughtily, “I suppose you are one of those CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!”

She really is a twatt, she was asking for face-nappies to be mandated in all sheltered accommodation in their public areas on the last council Covid panel meeting.

A horrible woman, arrogant as fuck and really really ignorant.

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Censored Dog
Censored Dog
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Jo Swinson isn’t the leader anymore (She lost her seat at the last election), Ed Davey is the new leader now and as far as I can tell, he is more sceptical (but he doens’t really say his opinion on things to avoid controversy)

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Same here. Will never vote Conservative again ever.

If Labour think they’ll get my vote, they should think again. Ditto the Lib Dems, Greens.

They’re all complicit it this.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yep, me too. I no longer have a vote as there is nobody who is not supporting this rank stupidity.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

https://heritageparty.org/

https://reclaimparty.co.uk/

The leaders of both these parties have been outspoken against the coronapanic nonsense. So (latterly) has Nigel Farage, whose party is apparently going to be rebranded as Reform.

Any or all of these parties might well be standing next time you vote.

If your preferences run rather to the political left, who knows eventually perhaps a party of the left might arise that actually stands up on the most vital issue of the moment.

There is also the SDP which has been outspokenly any-panic. Not sure where they belong on the right/left spectrum – probably centre or centre-left.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

There is growing fed-up-ness – anger in places. We’re not at a tipping point yet, though.

I hope it’s not two years. I think, realistically, we’ll probably go on like this till about May. If they still try to keep the tiers in place once the weather is on the up, the miracle snake-oil is being rolled out to the masses, and business is trying to get going again, I think we’ll see epic-scale protests and mass non-compliance.

I hope.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

This should be true but then again I thought it would be all over by Summer/September/Christmas and now March. They are in a hole if their own making. If they don’t stop the testing the figures will always keep us closed down.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Mock the PCR tests. Surely there must be many irregularities in the test results over the past 8 months?

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Don’t think he will ever be safe in the UK again – lots of ‘bounty hunters’ that will want to do a citizens arrest

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I’m more of a ‘inhumane dispatch’ mood today.
I’d cut his balls off but I think PNN did this already, and his exes would be before me in that queue.
I do want Hancock for myself. Skinned alive and his worthless pelt sent to a taxidermist.
Then keep him alive, skinless, to be rolled in salt.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris John

Nooooo please can I share Handcock with you. You know force feed him sweets then pinata his ass with baseball bats!

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

…all the true-blue Tory home county constituencies haven’t been spared this time round so fingers crossed that some of Johnson’s key voter base, on which he thought he could rely, will now be turning against
him.

A subject Mrs C and I have have discussed often, Poppy. Yes, it’s never a good idea for the Tories to go after their own. Most political commentators say this, just as they say a Tory PM’s days are numbered when he/she loses his backbenchers. No, Boris won’t survive another two years.

Like others have mentioned, I can’t see Johnson lasting too far into the new year; he’s now a busted flush. The Tory backbenchers might let him see Brexit out and then go for a leadership contest.

They won’t do it at the moment though, the cowards; all we will hear from them will be the old ” it would be a distraction for the country in a time of crisis”, “last thing the country needs right now”, etc, etc.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Steal his bicycle.

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Mars-in-Aries
Mars-in-Aries
5 years ago

What the “cumulative standardised mortality rate” chart shows is that we had a lot of excess deaths in April, and since then the average death rate has actually been less compared to other years. In other words, yet more proof that the pandemic was in fact over by May and the rest is artifacts one sort or another.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

And misdiagnosed deaths.

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