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by Jonathan Barr
2 December 2020 4:33 AM

Victory in Spite of the Tiers

Boris looks sheepishly at Graham Brady, like a teenager who’s just got in from an all-night party being told off by his dad

The post-lockdown tier system comes into force today after the Government won the parliamentary vote. Not the result that readers of Lockdown Sceptics would have wanted in an ideal world, but the vote was a damaging blow to the new tier system nevertheless.

  • Only 291 of 650 MPs voted for the Tier system, which means the new restrictions are being brought in without the backing of a majority of MPs. In such circumstances it’s going to be difficult to enforce them
  • The Labour party abstained. Admittedly, a bit spineless of Keir Starmer, but better than voting with the Government
  • 55 Tory MPs rebelled, up from 34 on November 4th and Boris’s biggest back bench rebellion to date
  • 15 Labour MPs voted against the measures. Sixteen if you count Jeremy Corbyn (independent)

For more on the fall-out for the Government, see this analysis by Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

Here is the list of MPs who voted “No” yesterday:

Conservative:

Adam Afriyie, Imran Ahmad Khan, Steve Baker (teller), Sir Graham Brady, Andrew Bridgen, Paul Bristow, Sir Christopher Chope, Greg Clark, James Daly, Philip Davies, David Davis, Jonathan Djanogly, Jackie Doyle-Price, Richard Drax, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Mark Francois, Marcus Fysh, Dame Cheryl Gillian, Chris Green, Damian Green, Kate Griffiths, Mark Harper, Philip Hollobone, David Jones, Julian Knight, Robert Largan, Pauline Latham, Chris Loder, Tim Loughton, Craig Mackinlay, Anthony Mangnall, Karl McCartney, Stephen McPartland, Esther McVey, Huw Merriman, Robbie Moore, Anne Marie Morris, Sir Bob Neill, Mark Pawsey, Sir John Redwood, Mary Robinson, Andrew Rosindell, Henry Smith, Dr Ben Spencer, Sir Desmond Swayne, Sir Robert Syms (teller), Craig Tracey, Tom Tugendhat, Matt Vickers, Christian Wakeford, Sir Charles Walker, James Wallis, David Warburton, William Wragg, Jeremy Wright.

Labour:

Aspana Begum, Richard Burgon, Mary Kelly Foy, Andrew Gwynne, Mike Hill, Kevan Jones, Emma Lewell-Buck, Ian Mearns,
Grahame Morris, Kate Osborne, Bell Ribeiro-Addy, John Spellar, Graham Stringer, Zarah Sultana, Derek Twigg.

Democratic Unionist Party:

Gregory Campbell, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, Paul Girvan, Carla Lockhart, Ian Paisley Jr, Gavin Robinson, Jim Shannon, Sammy Wilson.

Independents:

Dr Julian Lewis, Jeremy Corbyn.

If you wrote to one of the above MPs, take a bow. And if you feel like thanking them, the standard Parliamentary email address format is firstname.secondname.mp@parliament.uk.

There were a number of note-worthy contributions to the debate in the lead up to the vote:

I very much want to support my Government and my Prime Minister in the lobby this evening, but I can’t and won’t inflict deliberate harm on my constituency unless I can see for myself that to do nothing would be worse.

Andrea Leadsom, Conservative (abstained)

Restrictions on much smaller areas work better, they are fairer, and they cause much less economic damage. The Government’s proposed tier system does not deliver this. I will therefore be voting against the government this evening.

David Davis, Conservative (No)

This is a dangerous moment in the life of our country. People feel they have been pushed too far and suffered too much. Government’s analysis should have compared its own approach with alternative approaches – to show the costs & benefits.

Steve Baker, Conservative (Teller for the Noes)

Tonight I am voting against new Coronavirus tier restrictions. In the absence of a cost benefit analysis of lockdown, clarity about Trafford’s allocation to – and exit from – Tier 3 and sufficient justification for removal of fundamental freedoms, I have no choice but to oppose.

Graham Brady, Conservative (No)

And a special shout-out to William Wragg MP, who made Guido’s Quote of the Day:

There’s no conspiracy. In my brief experience of it, the British state has never been competent enough to mount or organise such a conspiracy, and indeed if it were so in the present climate plans for that would have leaked already.

William Wragg, Conservative (No)

Stop Press: One of the best speeches in the House of Commons yesterday was by Sir Graham Brady.

https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1333801494701768706

How to Fight Back, the Gandhi Way

Wondering what we can do, now that we’re facing the prospect of being in lockdown in all but name until Easter? Professor Ramesh Thakur, a former Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations and a long-standing sceptic who’s written numerous articles attacking lockdowns, has a suggestion: take a leaf out of Gandhi’s book. As Professor Thakur points out, there is a considerable body of scholarship that shows nonviolent protest – civil disobedience – is more politically effective than violent protest, with the road to Indian independence being a case in point.

But Professor Thakur has a particular form of civil disobedience in mind, one perfected by Gandhi and still used in India to this day. Here’s the gist of it:

‘Jail Bharo Andolan’ is one technique of civil disobedience. It literally means ‘Fill the prisons movement/agitation’. It’s a deliberate, coordinated campaign to subvert a law or regime by courting arrest and imprisonment in numbers that physically clog the courts and overwhelm the prisons. The fact that those imprisoned are normally law-abiding citizens adds greatly to the authorities’ embarrassment…

So to those looking for what you can do: protest peacefully in large numbers, have several rungs of leaders to take the place of any who are arrested, be unfailingly polite and charmingly courteous to police officers and judges, refuse to pay fines in favour of court appearance and trial, and after the court has delivered its verdict go to prison rather than pay fines to overwhelm the prison system until the justice system breaks down.

It requires sacrifice, courage and steadfastness to refuse obedience to the dictates of a discredited and despised government. The dissenters must be prepared to accept the legal consequences, including imprisonment. But if you don’t fight for freedom, get ready to lose it.

We’ve given this one pride of place on the right-hand side, filed under “The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdowns”.

Worth reading in full.

Eggsactly!

From the Sun

There was another nearly-as-important debate yesterday on whether Scotch Eggs count as a “substantial meal”. The Sun has the details. Michael Gove, as they say, got himself “into a pickle”.

Michael Gove was asked about the status of the delicacy a day after his Cabinet colleague George Eustice told LBC that a Scotch egg “would count as a substantial meal if there were table service”. That means it could be be served with alcohol by pubs in tier two areas after lockdown ends.

Mr Gove told the radio station: “A couple of scotch eggs is a starter, as far as I’m concerned.”

Forty-five minutes later, he said on ITV’s Good Morning Britain: “As far as I’m concerned it’s probably a starter. My own preference when it comes to a substantial meal might be more than just a scotch egg but that’s because I’m a hearty trencherman. The Government is relying on people’s common sense.”

However, by the time he was interviewed by ITV News shortly afterwards, his position had evolved.

He said: “A Scotch egg is a substantial meal. I myself would definitely scoff a couple of Scotch eggs if I had the chance, but I do recognise that it is a substantial meal.”

A Day in the Life of a COVID-19 Physician

Getty images

The Critic magazine has another piece by the Covid Physician on the effect of lockdowns. It is an extensive and wide-ranging critique of how the virus has been handled, written by an NHS doctor. It starts with a tale of the effect on the treatment of a patient in need of specialised care:

Lockdown has dire, hidden consequences for unwell patients in general practice. Take for example the 34 year-old patient with motor neurone disease. English is a second language, she is an asylum seeker who thought she was escaping persecution and tyranny. In addition to the general muscular spasticity and weakness which will eventually lead to a slow death by respiratory failure she has a progressive bulbar palsy which means she can no longer speak nor swallow well. These will worsen. Each morning she risks a death by choking on her puréed breakfast. A feeding tube has been proposed, but she pretends to her specialist it hasn’t been. She is on medicines that sedate her. She can barely handle a mobile phone. Let us say life is already a multiple misery.

COVID-19 has brought her a special new hell. Carers avoid her due to the vulnerability her medical conditions bring to her. Speech and language therapists (SALTs) avoid her and make-believe care through Microsoft Teams. To make this virtual dystopia impressive and even better than the real thing they have given it an incredible name: The SALT proudly states: “Consultation done with AAC meeting”. What is that? I keep reading. My goodness, another Fourth Industrial revolution thing? Augmentative and Alternative Communication. To me, a simple video-call is demoralising doublespeak, for non-existent care by proxy.

My patient’s neurologist does the same: multi-conferencing the locked-down patient as she slowly rots in her asylum accommodation amidst a cold, bleak post-industrial pseudo-apocalypse. A pathetic dripping roast for everyone to make even easier money off. It occurs to me that the dehumanising, forced-impoverishment and restrictions of my refugee and asylum patient group is now upon us all, meagre social credits, not allowed to work, restricted movement, restricted access to healthcare. We are all in the same lockdown boat, now.

It concludes with an excoriation of Johnson, Whitty, Vallance et al, who worry the author far more than COVID-19:

The Prime Minister is fond of saying he is following the science. He is not. He is absolving himself of command, control and blame by saying so. He may also be too classically-educated to appreciate he is not following the science with lockdown, masks and social-distancing. He is ensconced in an echo-chamber following a narrow body of nominal rubber-stamping medics, scientists and mathematicians without the correct skill sets, incentive nor personality traits to think outside of the box. They are the ones who ruthlessly rise to the top and become the best government mandarins in Whitehall. Ambitious, ladder-climbing, back-stabbing Et tu Brute? sociopaths in the image of their Caesar.

While they do politics, we are suffering and dying in their Yes Minister tragifarce for real. They could lock us up forever based upon their over-reactive criteria. Johnson, Whitty, Vallance, Hancock, and SAGE worry me more than COVID-19 and are far more dangerous to the UK. They have infantilised medicine. What would they do to us if a truly awesome contagion were to turn up?

Professors Hancock and Whitty have erased another fundamental medical principle from medicine: Primum Non Nocere: first do no harm.

Worth reading in full.

Dr Wodarg and Dr Yeadon Call for Halt to COVID-19 Vaccine Studies

Credit: Oldschool3d/Shutterstock

Lockdown Sceptics contributor Mike Yeadon, and Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, a German physician and epidemiologist, have filed an application with the European Medicine Agency – the organisation responsible for EU drug approval – for the immediate suspension of COVID-19 vaccine studies and the BioNtech/Pfizer study in particular. More from 2020 News

Dr Wodarg and Dr Yeadon are demanding that the studies, for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers, should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.

The petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against COVID-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical.

They are also demanding that the risks already known from previous studies can be excluded. Their concerns are directed on four points in particular:

– The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. 

– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.

– The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance. This means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

– The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow.

EU citizens are encouraged to sign the petition by sending the email prepared here to the EMA.

The Call for Volunteer Vaccinators

Source: iStock

Meanwhile, a couple of readers have been in touch about the call for volunteer vaccinators. One had been sent a solicitation because he’d signed up as an NHS volunteer responder, the other a similar flyer by St John Ambulance. The St John Ambulance volunteers’ tasks include:

  • Administering the COVID-19 vaccine to patients
  • Recognising and responding as needed to any medical emergency. This may include helping a patient with their breathing if they have an allergic reaction to the vaccine
  • Working with other St John and NHS colleagues to deliver a vaccination service including escalating problems outside your scope of training to an appropriate person

In order to apply, volunteers must:

  • Have at least two A-levels or the equivalent during their education
  • Have experience of a paid or voluntary role caring for people, providing customer service or providing signposting and advice
  • Understand that they will need to handle needles and potentially deal with blood and other bodily fluids
  • Be able to follow instructions as given by clinical professionals and act on own initiative within the scope of training

You can sign up here. Our reader is signing up:

Out of interest, to see what happens, I’m signing up… (At the moment, as you can see, they’re requiring two A-levels as a minimum, but I assume that the orders from on high will be to have cats and monkeys stabbing the population if that’s what it takes to create some rungs down the ladder). 

We look forward to hearing all about it.

The advert does say that volunteers will undergo:

Extensive training with a pass/fail assessment, and be subject to assessments (observed vaccinations) and clinical supervision at each of the vaccination sites by a health care professional to ensure the safety of patients and that of the volunteers.  

A good, reliable, proven vaccine would be good news, but people are entitled to require evidence that a new vaccine is indeed reliable and unlikely to have any nasty side effects. See Desmond Swayne’s challenge to Ministers in the House of Commons Yesterday: “You have the Vaccine First”

Long Lockdown and Human Rights: A Call for Evidence

The House of Commons Joint Committee on Human Rights has issued an open call for evidence. It is considering “the impact of lockdown restrictions on human rights and whether those measures only interfere with human rights to the extent that is necessary and proportionate”. In particular, it’s seeking views on:

The impact of lockdown on university students. Have interferences with students’ right to liberty and right to private and family life been proportionate? Have the fixed penalty notices issued to students been proportionate?

The impact of lockdown on the freedom of religion and belief, and in particular on collective worship. Have interferences with the freedom of religion and belief been proportionate?

Care Home and Hospital Visits. Has current Government guidance struck the correct balance between the right to private and family life and the right to life? Is it being applied fairly and consistently in practice?

The human rights impacts of extended lockdown restrictions on those areas subjected to the most stringent, lasting, lockdown conditions. What have been the human rights impacts on family life and mental health for those communities? Are there ways that these rights might be better addressed?

Policing of Lockdown. Is the use of Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for lockdown offences proportionate, fair and non-discriminatory? Is it clear why FPNs have been issued and are there adequate ways to seek a review or appeal of an FPN? Are the amounts of FPN fines proportionate? Has there been a disproportionate impact on certain groups?

The right to protest and lockdown. How have lockdown restrictions affected the right to protest? Has the correct balance been struck?

Submit your evidence here by January 11th. It is open to anyone. All evidence is published and can be anonymised on request.

Julia Hartley Brewer Eviscerated Colonel Bob Stewart MP

Colonel Bob Stewart MP appeared on Julia Hartley Brewer’s talkRADIO show yesterday and told her he intended to vote “yes” later that day because he’d spoken to Boris and Boris told him he was following the science.

Light blue touch paper and stand well back…

Pageview Update

Lockdown Sceptics got 1,594,371 pageviews during the month of November. Not too shabby.

Round-up

  • “UK lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again – Boris scientist says” – Professor Mark Woolhouse, former member of SAGE, says locking the country down was a “panic measure”
  • “Michael Gove: ‘Tier restrictions before November were not enough’” – Watch Julia Hartley-Brewer try to wrestle the truth out of the Gover on talkRADIO
  • “Vulnerable children in lockdown a ‘national concern’” – Amanda Spielman, the Chief Inspector of Education, has issued an annual report saying that children at risk of harm slipped out of sight
  • “Matt Hancock under pressure to explain £30 million worth of test tube work for former neighbour” – The Guardian reports on what looks like another case of the chumocracy at work
  • “Cavan priest will not be ‘dictated to by pagan government’” – A priest in County Cavan, Ireland, reacts to Government restrictions on the number of people attending ceremonies at church. From the Irish Times
  • “Vaccine passports ruled out for pub trips after COVID-19 jab approved” – Michael Gove tells Sky News that there is no plan to mandate vaccine passports to go to the pub. Can we have that in writing, Minister?
  • “Damages sought for COVID-19 vaccine trial events” – From Telegraph India, A probe is on for a volunteer who developed a neurological illness 10 days after receiving the AstraZeneca-Oxford candidate vaccine. The Serum Institute have said there is no correlation between condition and trial
  • “Methodological issues in epidemiology” (pdf) – A very thorough summary by Mike Hearn, covering lack of cost/benefit analysis, misleading press statements and weaknesses in the data and the modelling
  • “From Rita Ora to Tom Hanks: how celebrities avoid the COVID-19 rules” – A great feature in the Telegraph on the privileged few who have circumvented the rules
  • “Wuhan leaks: Documents show China’s early costly mistakes in handling COVID-19” – Documents leaked to CNN show than an influenza epidemic 20 times the normal level was seen in the Hubei province at the time of the first recorded case. There is a possibility this may have been COVID-19 and the documents describe how China struggled to test accurately at pace. From the Week
  • “Hungarian MEP for Viktor Orban’s anti-LGBT party resigns” – A member of Viktor Orban’s Government has been caught breaking lockdown at a mostly male orgy. Puts our own tepid sex scandals to shame
  • “On this matter of principle, of ‘fundamental liberties’, the Government has no arguments” – Janet Daley’s take on yesterday’s rebellion in the Telegraph. “The lockdown loop is over”, she says
  • “This is no longer a health crisis, it’s a total economic catastrophe” – “Only the Government can’t see that the cost of lockdown outweighs the benefits”, says Liam Halligan in the Telegraph

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Five today: “Find the Cost of Freedom” by Gilmour, Crosby and Nash, “Kick Out The Tories” by Newtown Neurotics, “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party)” by Beastie Boys, “The Deceiver” by The Alarm, “Hurry up Harry” by Sham 69.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

Social Media Accounts

You can follow Lockdown Sceptics on our social media accounts which are updated throughout the day. To follow us on Facebook, click here; to follow us on Twitter, click here; to follow us on Instagram, click here; to follow us on Parler, click here; and to follow us on MeWe, click here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, Nasdaq’s push for diversity on the boards of its companies. From the Financial Times:

Companies listed on Nasdaq should have at least two “diverse” board directors under new rules proposed by the exchange on Tuesday, in a potentially significant expansion of a global movement to force companies to shed white, male leadership teams.

In a filing on Tuesday with the US stock market regulator, Nasdaq also proposed listing rules that would require companies to disclose consistent diversity statistics for board directors and set a standard for companies to have two diverse directors – including one who self-identifies as female and one who self-identifies as an under-represented minority or lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or queer…

Companies that do not comply will have to explain why not. There will also be some flexibility for foreign groups and small organisations which can satisfy the diversity standard with two female directors.

The proposed listing changes were driven in part by increasing demands from investors for board diversity data, said Nelson Griggs, President of the Nasdaq Stock. He also said that the global demonstrations for racial equality this year had played a role.

Additionally, Nasdaq said that its proposal was “designed to reduce the groupthink” that can occur with homogenous boards, and to prevent “fraudulent and manipulative acts and practices”.

Reduce the groupthink?!? You couldn’t make it up.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Coleman Hughes has written a piece for City Journal about White Fragility, the best-selling book by Robin DiAngelo. He isn’t impressed.

White Fragility spends considerable time telling white people that they’re racist, but with a crucial twist: it’s not their fault. “A racism-free upbringing is not possible,” she writes, “because racism is a social system embedded in the culture and its institutions. We are born into this system and have no say in whether we will be affected by it.” For author DiAngelo, white supremacy is like the English language. If you’re born in America, you learn it without trying. Racism, in her view, transforms from a shameful sin to be avoided into a guiltless birthmark to be acknowledged and accepted.

An unstated assumption in White Fragility, and this is where the book borders on actual racism, is that black people are emotionally immature and essentially child-like. Blacks, as portrayed in DiAngelo’s writing, can neither be expected to show maturity during disagreement nor to exercise emotional self-control of any kind. The hidden premise of the book is that blacks, not whites, are too fragile.

The piece is a splendid attack by a brilliant young African-American intellectual on a canonical text in the woke movement.

Worth reading in full.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Stop Press: The Netherlands has succumbed to mask-ism. The country has just made it compulsory, as of yesterday, to wear a face mask in indoor public spaces. The rule will apply to those over the age of 13 in public buildings, including shops, railway stations and hairdressers. It is one of the last countries in Europe to introduce such a measure. The BBC has the details.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Stop Press: The Court of Appeal handed down its judgement on Simon Dolan’s case yesterday, ruling that the Government should not face a Judicial Review into the first tranche of lockdown measures. Simon is now planning to take the case to the supreme court. He said:

The Lord Chief Justice, Lady Justice King and Lord Justice Singh have decided that the Government should not face a full Judicial Review of its actions in imposing the lockdown measures on us all between March 26th and July 2nd.

We did score one important victory. The three judges allowed an important ground of the appeal which concerned the legal powers of Ministers to make the lockdown regulations using the Public Health (Control of Infectious Disease) Act 1984. We argued that they had acted “ultra vires” by using this legislation and that, as a result, the lockdown restrictions imposed by the Government were illegal. The Court of Appeal accepted that it was in the public interest for the appeal to be allowed on this important legal point. In doing so, they overturned Mr Justice Lewis’s ruling back in July that this point was unarguable.

Unusually, having allowed the appeal on the ultra vires point, the Court decided to make a final, substantive ruling on the substance of the issue itself – rather than send it back to the High Court. Unfortunately, however, having considered it, the Court of Appeal held against us. It has ruled that on the wording of the 1984 statute, the Government does have the power to impose measures against the whole population as it has been doing.

We still disagree strongly and the fight will go on. We can and will seek permission to appeal the ultra vires point to the Supreme Court.

You can read the full update and make a contribution to Simon’s fundraiser here. MailOnline also has a good summary.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.

Alexander Solschenizyn

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

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Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago

The world has gone insane

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Aontaím.

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

THAT IT HAS! But here’s some sanity in a world of complete madness…and a laugh!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

Our latest podcast is all about the R number, an out of control police with some excellent songs included!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Nah… It’s just a little bit different from what it was a few months ago. But it is a good thing because now we can actually see on the street who are the real moron slaves, and fuckin’ hell, the size of the herd is mind boggling.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Weak-minded people, lost in a maze of their own creation, easily manipulated and controlled. A menace to a creative, free society and a disgrace to the human race. We desperately need an antidote to shake these people out of their dazed condition.
Cream ‘Blue Condition’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db0ttYFz4iY

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LS223
LS223
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Yes.

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Dale
Dale
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I can’t think of a single country that has wholly kept its wits. There are only dauntless individuals.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

A good example of British understatemnt.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago

First again!

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Call it a tie 😁

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Dear Lockdowns and co – Council officials trick a pub manager into serving him a drink and then close him down

Nigel Farage Investigates: Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uiozeMshyY

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

didn’t realise you had to pre order to obtain a take away pint?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Preparation for the social credit system, tracking your alcohol consumption!

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William Gruff
William Gruff
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Only direct action by the public against the petty fascists enforcing unconstitutional restrictions can stop them. A few beatings, perhaps an ‘unfortunate’ death or two, bricks through windows, burnt out cars &c are quite likely to encourage some self-restraint in our now over-mighty servants.

Impotent rage is useless, action is required.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Yep! You betcha!
Commandeer a few tanks and head for number 10.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Just beat the shit out of those scoundrels that soon they lose the desire to play with other slaves.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Mine’s a cravat.

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IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Better a tie than a tier!

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theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

I am happy to concede defeat.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago

Insomnia wins now where did I put that scotch egg??

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Ooh I could murder a scotch egg.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

A bad one? Try a Turdgeon.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Wow. I’m stunned. My Labour MP (who previously said she voted for lockdown in line with her party) has now voted against the tiers. Guess she was a bit miffed her constituency falls in tier 3.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

My Tory MP voted against the lockdown but voted for the Tier system ,I sent him a nice email 1st time looks like the 2nd won’t be the same , he’s the MP of that notorious Covid hotbed of Swale so maybe he was whipped into an aye vote

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

It’s all the fault of ‘those people’ on ‘The Island’ of course! Remind him what happened in the local elections (here in Faversham too, thrillingly!). That was just Brexit not the economic destruction of the whole country.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

I’m from “The Island” don’t live there now but my boys do and they’ve been naughty sceptics

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

I have a chalet on the Island.During the summer there was a distinct lack of social distancing and mask wearing.Now there is an outbreak;they must have ramped up the testing there?

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Yeah they did a couple of testing stations as far as I’m aware ,the boys told me people were flocking there so they could say I’ve got Covid ..it’s not called The Island of Sheep for nothing

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Isn’t there a prison on the island? Increased testing there perhaps

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

There’s 2 an open prison and high security prison apparently it’s rampant in there but who knows

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Rampant testing probably

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Well brought up boys. Congratulations.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Yes it’s the Isle of Sheppey Kent’s only Sunshine Isle haha
Sheppey is derived from Old English Sceapig, meaning “Sheep Island”.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Sheep Island. A new name for England. Whatever happened to the Lion?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

I blame the micropubs-fermenting revolution

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Guess she was a bit miffed her constituency falls in tier 3.

Quite possibly, but wouldn’t that, in fact, be a logical inconsistency? If you are genuinely scared of the virus, you would simply want your constituents to be ‘safe’ at the appropriate level of ‘tier’. And in such a case, wouldn’t you be implicitly declaring that you trust the government scientists?

If you are miffed at being placed in tier 3, doesn’t this mean you no longer trust SAGE and their ‘science’? Or maybe you think the government are, for some reason, insincere in what they are doing. In which case, why believe ANYTHING that these people say? If you are miffed at tier 3, shouldn’t the whole thing fall apart in front of your eyes?

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Two possibilities:

  1. She wants her area (and possibly other tier 3 areas) to get more money from the Treasury, or
  2. She’d rather that the full lockdown be extended.
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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Whoever wrote that title for the Sun… show yourself out.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

What exactly has Wanksock been up to in that pub for him to have to bung the landlord £30M??

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runskippyrun/CJ
runskippyrun/CJ
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

blowing a goat. pass it on. Wanksock prefers goaties.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  runskippyrun/CJ

Perhaps he should grow a goatee?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Julia Hartley-Brewer’s interview with Bob Stewart is absolutely infuriating to watch. What an idiot.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I wonder what the squaddies made of him when he was in command?

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

to be fair to squaddies they’re dumb as fuck that’s why they’re in the army so he probably appears like Einstein to them

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Horatio Tremoine
Horatio Tremoine
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

perchance you’ve been reading old copies of the Dandy – todays OR’s and NCO’s are anything but ‘dumb’ or intellectually challenged, you need a decent IQ and quick thinking for the military of today

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Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  Horatio Tremoine

Anyone who signs up to be a government thug is ipso facto a cretin or a psychopath. That applies to the police as well. See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgqfeea4qBw

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Cretin=Psychopath. Psychopath=Cretin.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Horatio Tremoine

The example of Mr Johnny Mercer MP, in a nearby Devon constituency, suggests otherwise.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I think I disagree. The phrase “lions led by donkeys” from World War 1 is applicable here, I think. And lots of the really high rankers are political animals as well. Besides, the squaddies have to obey their senior officer, however dumb he/she is.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I was in the U.S. Army in Georgia during the Vietnam Police Action. Most of our Drill Sergeants had a sixth grade education. Or less.

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CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

3 points about that apart from the ridiculous put down of anyone who is on the internet not having been to university-
1. Carl Heneghan would not be interested in the corruption and cronyism of anything involving politics or politicians I wouldnt think
2. He is only interested in evidence which is clearly at odds with SAGE
3. This idiot says the government is trying to get the evidence together – so what the hell are they basing the decisions they are already making on – the evidence should already be there to present.

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Jack62
Jack62
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

And we pay these public servants? He couldn’t get a job shovelling shit…

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Absolutely excruciating. So ignorant, intellectually lazy and shoddy, arrogant.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

So email him, telling him. I have. If you are not his constituent, he won’t reply, but sure as hell his SPAD/ secretary/ sidekick will tell him about the flak if we make enough. Same for Johnson, Hancock, Vallance, Whitty. Their emails are out there – give them hell. Gum up their in boxes. Call them liars etc. And all it takes is a few minutes of your time. Oh, and send the odd email to an anti-tier MP – praise them – they need to be bolstered.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Anne Passman

Quite right. I email these W⚓️s quite often. Never used to! I’ll make a point of doing so to this plonker.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Spouting the same old predictable and dreary lines, too.They’re getting so worn and thin there are holes appearing all over place(!) Julia was bloody great, though.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I have just listened to it and sent him an email as I was listening. maybe one of the things we need to do is to deluge anti-tier MPs with praise and those who voted for them with disgust, contempt, anger, detailed figures, telling them to read the GBD etc. How he can dismiss Gupta, Lee, Henegan etc as “not being on SAGE”. If you are not an MPs constituent they will generally not answer you, but I’m sure their SPADs report on the flak. So give them some. Do the same to Johnson, Hancock, Vallance and Whitty – their email addresses are out there. Call them liars. Call them inhuman. Hold them responsible for the deaths, bankruptcies, mental health problems, child abuse, that have taken place under their despotism. There is another way – until they take it, try to make their lives as much hell as they have for the thousands of businesses who are going bust.
Show no mercy. They deserve none

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago

Response to usual BS email from Helen Whately explaining why the whole of Kent must be incarcerated (unsurprisingly she’d like to remain a Minister of State).

Depressing ascientific gobbledegook unsurprisingly. There is no evidence (despite Prof. Ferguson’s laughable efforts) to show that the interventions have achieved anything. If anything the mask mandate seems to have coincided with a surprising (for summer) increase in fatal COVID-19 infections.

What you describe as ‘cases’ are positive PCR test results, most of which are false positives as the LFT work in Liverpool demonstrated (attached).

When you meet the Prime Minister in the lobby ask him what results the Carthaginians achieved by sacrificing even their own children to Baal Hammon.

(Attached was Craig, Engler, Yeadon and McNeill’s Briefing for MPs, inserted into the email was a screen shot of the final slide from Ivor Cummins podcast linked yesterday). The slide (showing coincidence with minimum fatal infections of the mask mandate) made me laugh at first but it seems there may be a genuine effect!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Carthage was destroyed and the ruins ploughed into the ground and salted. But you can still see, on the site, the remains of a ‘tophet’ in which children were burned alive.

The zombies are throwing Britain’s children into the metaphorical flames.
Delenda est haec administratio.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The detail that struck me (a mere engineer and not a classical scholar unlike the dPPE) was the Carthaginian aristos buying poor children to sacrifice but finally realising that Baal Hammon was displeased and sacrificing even more of their own children to placate him/ze/it.

Possibly all Roman black propaganda of course!

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’ll go with the Latin. Dulce et decorum est per patria scrivere. Email them. Their email addresses are out there. Tell them how you feel. Tell them to read the GBD. Call them liars. OK, so if you are not their constituent they will at best send you an automated response, but I’m sure their hired hands report back on the flak they’re getting. So give them plenty. Gum up their in boxes with facts, details, etc. and hassle them – they’ve made our lives unbearable for the past 8 months – give it back in spades.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Anne Passman

Plus ça change … Nothing new under the Sun.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

ad meliora!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

The word gobbledegook was banned recently. Gook was a name used to describe the Vietnamese people. And don’t forget this one, Shakespeare was a White Supremacist.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the article ‘A day in the life of a Covid19 Physician’
When Nortumbrian Nomad first posted that link two days ago ze 😉 included the attached quote about hancock.

One of my first posts on LS, in May I think, recalled how under a Blair government there was a bad flu year that some of the press were getting excited about.
Blair appointed a Flu Tzar ‘to crack some heads in the NHS and get it sorted’.

Two weeks later the Flu Tzar was all over the media claiming success in beating the virus.

I mentioned this to a senior medic who replied “That’s a load of nonsense, we got over the worst a month ago and the numbers were going down before he was appointed.”

I suggested at the time that they might repeat this sleight of hand but never did I believe they would spin it out for the best part of a year.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

If that were my mother i’d now be richer than i could dream. I’m not saying i’d want that to happen to her but she’s old and very rich and, well you know, i’m just saying.

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Matt The Cat
Matt The Cat
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Same here, Bikey. My mother was, up until recently, like me. No-nonsense and not fooled by anything/anyone. I don’t know what happened but she’s now a prize, “Grade A” bedwetter – as is “Pater”, in fact, and they’ve completely lost me.

I know it sounds like a terrible thing to say but I’ve said it here before – they’re living a living death thanks to swallowing the Branch Covidian’s propaganda hook, line and sinker – and I really couldn’t care less whether they live or die.

I only see them about 3 times a year. Me and Mrs Cat are visiting them at the weekend for what’s laughingly known as our “Family Christmas”.

I’ve already been told to keep my mouth shut whilst there. Everyone who knows me would know THAT ain’t gonna happen!

Should be “fun”, eh? 🙁

EDIT:
In response to the old newspaper picture, my reply would be “She wouldn’t give a monkey’s, she’d be dead” ;-D

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Watt
Watt
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

So…you’re deep sadness at the passing of the one who gifted you life itself, would be tempered. I get that.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Albert Camus, ‘The Rebel’.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Attached

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A medically qualified relative of my sister in law earned a significant amount of money that winter selling a prepaid queue-jumping service to get priority access to Tamiflu when the expected Bird Flu epidemic arrived in the UK. As we know, it never did, but he still pocketed the money, despite never having had to actually buy the medication. As always, there’s a lot of money to be made out of these scares.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Is he a friend of Ferguson’s by any chance?

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Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
5 years ago

Easy for Professor Ramesh Thakur to advocate voluntary arrest from his academic ivory tower. For those of us in the real world with proper jobs and actual mouths to feed, a criminal record could – and would, in this day and age – not only lead to swift dismissal but permanent unemployment. Exactly the reason why I have stayed away from the demos, much as they have my whole-hearted support.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Reminds me of John Knox, safe in Geneva during the Marian persecution, exhorting his English parishioners to resist even unto death.

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

I can certainly see the point and agree in principle with “fill the jails” and am personally free to do so if I choose (being retired – I don’t have to worry about doing a job for my income) but I admit to concern whether we’d be put in with/treated the same way as the criminals that are already in the jail. So I admit to personal qualms as to whether I’d be expected to mix with criminals or would be able to have a cell to myself etc/my sort of food at mealtimes (healthy vegetarian), etc. So not a problem re my income – but I admit to wimping out of the thought of mixing with prisoners/eating unhealthy food/etc. I’m struggling at being in the prison of “open prison in a small town – and no car to get out of it” as it is I admit.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

I agree, if a court appearance would affect your job, you shouldn’t risk it. But although I’m retired and therefore don’t have employment I still have email. So email Stewart, telling hi how stupid he sounded, how illogical, how biased. Email any MP you can- their email addresses are out there. Sure, if you are not a constituent they will send you an automatic response, but I’m sure they have a sidekick who tells them of the volume of emails they get, and if they’re negative ones It costs nothing but a few minutes -you can even have a template to use with relevant facts, details, insults etc. Call them liars – they can’t deny it. Call them inhuman, despotic etc – quote Graham Brady at them (his quote about “if this were a totalitarian state we would call these measures evil”.Deluge the pro – tierers with enough and they may get the mood of the country. And if they think enough of us will not vote to put them into their cushy jobs again they may take heed. Worth a try. And no police record, either

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Watt
Watt
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

‘For those of us in the real world with proper jobs’ WTF? Plenty of the resistance have jobs of all kinds, and more than a few actually have mouths to feed. But, sit it out for as long as you can. Good luck with those Covid apples!

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago

Dear Pub goer – Council officials trick a pub manager into serving him a drink and then close him down

Nigel Farage Investigates: Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uiozeMshyY

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

It’s clearly entrapment, council officers do that to private hire and black cab taxi drivers routinely and get away with it.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

It’s because the people who work for councils are pygmy intellects living off my tax dollars doing work that doesn’t need done for huge expense while pretending they are “helping the community” It don’t matter where you turn if a job is being done by a state employee it will be done badly at great expense and will almost without expansion it don’t actually need done.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

“Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?” Because they are parasitic arseholes.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Because that’s where sedition brews.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

There is in my opinion an upside to losing the Dolan case

I suspect that privately the pig dictator may have been harbouring hopes of a Dolan win

The pig dictator has been holding the highly infectious and distressed covid baby since March

The baby, as with all babies who are not well is getting fractious. The baby sleeps little and cries continuously

Starmer or anyone else will not take the baby. They say it’s your baby Mr pig dictator you brought it into the world, you deal with it

The pig dictator has responsibility for this very unhappy and demanding baby until at least March

The neighbours are starting to complain. The noise from the Christmas party goers in the street outside is also disturbing the pig dictator sleep

The pig dictator is already exhausted

Let’s see how he and baby are doing by March

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Under the fixed term Parliament Act what would happen if bozo threw in the towel ? Would it be entirely for the Tories to decide on a new PM if they could find anyone fool enough to take it on ?

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dpj
dpj
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m no expert but I think if he resigned there would be a Conservative leadership vote and winner would then become PM.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Yes, it’s the leader of the party who will be PM, however they go about sorting that out. The party at large may not even get a say in it if only one candidate emerges from the initial rounds in the parliamentary party. I’ve resigned my membership so would get no vote anyway. There are very few MPs with the experience and integrity who could steer us through the next few months. A dreadfully difficult job now so much damage has been done.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Yes, that’s it. That was how he got the job in the first place after May threw in the towel.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Anne Passman

And May got in when Cameron threw in the towel. A lot of towel throwing going on in the Conservative Party. That’s one way to keep your party in power.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

That’s what happened last time – it was a very well-choreographed dance.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They got rid of the Fixed Term Parliament Act

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

They just bypassed it last time. But they’ve just posted a draft bill to get rid of it:

Draft Fixed-term Parliaments Act (Repeal) Bill

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The court cases ignore a vital fact – that the UK Gov’t may be compromised by an outside source, or ‘occupied’ by the WEF as Robin Monotti Graziadei might say. Is the UK occupied by the WEF?

Because it seems every country is reading from the same script. The modus operandi is the same. Restrictions, destruction of the economy – all dictated by a single unspecified global entity

I don’t think I’ve heard Simon Dolan mention the World Economic Forum

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

It is not a single, unspecified global entity, it is the U.N., the IMF, the World Bank, the Gates Foundation, the W.E.F. , the Club de Rome, Rockefeller Foundation, Bilderberg, etc.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago

55 – just the number of letters Sir Graham Brady needs to instigate a leadership challenge. Come on you MPs, you know Boris is a disaster so hand the letter in if you haven’t already.

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John Smith
John Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I remain unimpressed by these so called “rebels”. All talk and no trousers.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

Baker especially is all mouth and trousers.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

In his speech to the house yesterday he specifically laid blame for the economic bad stuff on the Covid, not the lockdown.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Steve Baker is not to be trusted, especially after his history of obsequiousness to Matt Hancock. Depressingly, I fear the Recovery project is a scam designed to offer false hope whilst enabling the agenda

It’s why I shall never vote again

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

All talk and no trousers

Can hardly be applied to Sir Desmond Swayne!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

He makes pretty and impassioned speeches but I don’t know how much substance there is to back up his excellent powers of oratory.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

The Tories are still vastly pro lockdown, as is the rest of government. 34 Tory rebels are not going to change anything, even with one of them as PM. Britain, find yourself another government.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

It’s 55. And I suspect there are more who will flip once the tide turns. Boris is completely broken. He has nothing left and needs removing now. I will never vote Conservative again but for now we do need him removing. SAGE and the media have taken him captive. He doesn’t even know he’s doing the left’s work for them because he’s been so carefully steered into it. Add on the strings being pulled by his girlfriend towards a green agenda that none of us voted for and he is a dangerous fool.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

And I have to ask: where did ‘Build Back Better’ come from? For there not to be anything in the ‘conspiracy theories’, we have to believe that the government saw this weird, awkward slogan being used by Joe Biden and others, and thought to itself “That’s just what we need. A recognised globalist slogan because we can’t actually think up our own even though it would only take about 30 seconds. This is perfect: it says ‘We are not an independent country; we are copying, or taking orders, from people outside our own country’. The people will be so impressed by that”.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

How many more times !

It’s not a conspiracy. It’s a well prepared and coordinated AGENDA .

“Build back better” , “new normal” etc are all phrases from the WEF.
Please explore the WEF website to see the huge scope of the agenda.
Politicians , “leaders” business people have been beguiled into believing this is the only way forward for society.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but the speed with which the “new normal” became part of the vocabulary disturbed me too. There was and is nothing “normal” about this situation.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

1) Johnson is deliberately trolling the nation. In particular, he’s winding up the kinds of people who worry about anti-democratic globalism, the kinds of people routinely mocked in the Graun. It’s a cheap form of bullying.
2) The regime would much rather hint at being part of a global conspiracy than admit to having screwed up through a complete absence of balls and brains. Better be taken for an evil genius than a fool.

In truth they’re not very clever. Wreaking more destruction because they can’t see a way to stop without admitting fault. Their pathway to glorious victory over Covid closing down (the vaccine, as predicted here, is not shaping up as happy ever after). The British state, in its entirety, has revealed itself to be a prize twot. But for most of them, like the bureaucracy of Vichy, there is a future after this. For Johnson this is it. No wonder he looks like Hitler in Downfall.

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jb12
jb12
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Aye, sure thing. I suppose he’s trolling by following the UN’s Agenda 2030 too. Hell, even the government’s webmaster is in on the trolling; what a bunch of lads they are!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/agenda-2030-delivering-the-global-goals

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Looking through that document you link to, there’s nothing in it that says “We will destroy all small businesses, implement a form of UBI, and usher in a new form of eco-fascism”. It’s all fairly innocuous stuff, with deep ironies regarding increasing economic growth and strengthening of human rights, etc.

Is this the document we, as a country, are signed up to? Or is there another, more ‘Schwabbian’, radical, terrifying document that we have somehow agreed to, as well? Because if it’s only the former, then anything like Johnson seems to be suggesting (‘we cannot go back to the old normal’) is undemocratic and I would suggest, illegal.

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jb12
jb12
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I am not saying that ‘Build Back Better’ is Agenda 2030, I am saying that Boris Johnson and his ilk are fully signed up to other globalist policies. Is it then more likely that he is ‘trolling’ by quoting the slogan or signalling his allegiances?

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The UN agenda 21/2030 is just the extension of the UN sustainability agenda/millennium development goals which you may be aware of , every politician since the early ‘90s has been on about it. The import thing to realise is not what they do say but what are the implications of what is said . These are very sophisticated operators with huge power/finance/influence. The background of the UN is basically to creat a NWO and some kind of technocracy utopia. This is crazy sounding stuff which is why they are able to get away with developing their plans. UN is an intergovt organisation WEF is essentially an off shoot of the UN (schwab started there) under Robert Muller/ Maurice Strong) but it’s basically a structure to influence the private sector on a global scale. WHO is an offshoot of UN The main point is that behind the seemingly harmless facade of these main bodies the power plays and financial backing are able to create a tightly controlled agenda driven machine which now has influence at all levels of our and all societies. The scope of interference by the UN is huge , please research into the ngo’s the UN funded projects… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I said three months ago that bozo was like a naughty schoolboy outside the headmasters office refusing to admit his offence, the longer he prevaricates the worse his comeuppance.

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H K
H K
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The was a speech given by the digital culture & media secretary in 2018/19 (sorry I don’t have the exact details) what’s on the .gov website.
This speech was delivered on at Davos/WEF and was jumping on board with the ‘4th industrial revolution’.
That secretary was….. Matt Hancock! There are pics of hom with Klaus Schwab
There is a fantastic podcast on James Delingpole’s channel with Patrick Wood that describes the history of the ‘technocracy’ movement/idealogy that drives the WEF – well worth watching

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

See what the Brexit deal “delivers”.
If it’s perceived as bad by his party then he’ll be toast.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

He has destroyed the nation, made the people into prisoners and unleashed the army in information and soon to be biological warfare against the British people.

Whatever he ‘delivers’ for Brexit good or bad would be so insignificant at this point as to be entirely irrelevant.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

He was already a dangerous fool this time last year!

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Seamonster
Seamonster
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Trouble is who would replace him…some twat like gove most likely.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
5 years ago
Reply to  Seamonster

People need to understand this single fundamental point.

The UK is signatory to the IHR , as such we are at the whim of the WHO and this WILL NOT STOP until the WHO declares the “pandemic” is over.

It doesn’t matter who is in no. 10 . We have to continue following the national IPPP (influenza pandemic preparedness plan) until told to stop by the WHO.

The system has been developed over many years to create the appearance of a “science” based procedure to cover the main overarching agenda of massive societal change.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

It will stop if we ditch the IHR and/or leave the WHO, surely ?

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

If we’d been following our IPPP then we wouldn’t be in this mess. It doesn’t recommend lockdowns, track ‘n trace etc.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

It’s important to read the ippp along with knowing how it was drawn up and by who , the WHO direction on these matters is very illuminating.
As with all legislation in the UK , it gives the govt limitless scope to adapt to circumstances.
In theory a PM could try to water down the level of implementation of lockdowns etc, BUT, the legislature and civil service is basically determined to push the change agenda through.

This is a complete and total scam to drive through social change.
There is a mountain of evidence to support this position,not enough room here whole articles/books are required to tabulate the crime.

But for example :-
Please see the GPMB (global pandemic monitoring board) the head is Fauci. Report from Sept 2019 page 38/39 “a full system simulation will be undertaken by 09/2020….”

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Listen to Mark Windows on Spreaker: Covid-19 Babylon’s Business Plan beginning at around minute 29:50. Mark details the new health act addons. They were already being put into motion in February, 2020. Chilling.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Seamonster

This is the trouble – if you don’t like Johnson you get someone like Gove, if you don’t vote Tory you get Starmer . What a hell of a choice.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Seamonster

Nah they are priming dishy Rishi.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Spawn of Satan you mean?

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

That isn’t going to happen because they will end up with Wancock in charge because he is the only person delusional enough to want the job.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

BBC R4 The Long View yesterday explored the similarities between this year and when the Protestants under Cromwell last banned Christmas. I was working at the time so missed much of it.

One of the guests compared todays medical establishment to the uber protestants who insisted on fasting not only for their own good but for that of the whole community.

Fasting meant not only avoiding food and drink but also parties, singing, “bodily delights”, going to the theatre, bawdy houses or taverns and flippant pastimes such as playing football, dicing and carding.

The government of the day passed the law banning Xmas partly because it needed the support of the Scots in the ongoing Civil War (cf sturgeon).
It resulted in widespread unrest notably in Canterbury (tier 3) and until its repeal following the Restoration was marked by increasing non observation by the merrymaking population.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

You were working when Cromwell banned Christmas?

(Pedant alert and apology all in one)

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Exactly my thought!

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The difference being that in that case, it was clearly them against us. With Covid, the brilliance of the scheme is that it is us against us. We all know people who used to be the merrymaking kind but are now so feeble and pathetic that they are scared to leave their houses without a mask.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Indeed, I was thinking that the Taliban seem to have won, even radical Islamists have a hug if not a song, dance and a beer.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Jesus you must be old if you were working at the time of Oliver Cromwell

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

People who go without things, or make themselves uncomfortable ‘for others’, (always said in those stoned-sounding Momentum voices) make me so angry that I want to be extremely violent. I don’t give a damn about people that I don’t know. Neither do most people. Neither do they, actually (they certainly don’t care about destroying the jobs and businesses of those they call ‘gammons’); they just want to virtue signal their sanctimony.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Agree. All these people who pretend to care for others are the lowest of the low – they should stop lying because I’m not taken in by their fake altruism. If they did really care, they would be alarmed over the destruction of the economy, the needless deaths caused by illnesses that have gone untreated and mental health. But they don’t so they should stick their faux concern where the sun don’t shine.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

From the Express article:

“Mark Woolhouse said lockdown was a “panic measure” but admitted it was the only option at the time because “we couldn’t think of anything better to do”.”

Sums up the entire bollox. They couldn’t think of anything better to do. They still can’t. They never will.

But they can think of something equally stupid.

His new obsession? Mass testing of the asymptomatic.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Its like what Anne Widdecombe told Dan Wooton – “they need to be seen to be doing something”

And that’s at the cost of collateral damage due to a wrecked economy, redundancies, bankruptcies, deaths from untreated illnesses, suicides, increase in substance abuse and domestic violence.

This abomination should be banished from public discourse when this is all over. As is that other one – “if it saves one life its worth it.”

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I don’t remember it and neither do my parents. I was at primary school and the only reason that we might have worn masks (we didn’t) was to keep out the smell of the tannery downriver!
The difference was that, in those days, there was little obesity, self obsession and hypochondria. There were always housewives who were ‘bad with their nerves’ and had obsessions with ‘germs’ but no one took much notice of them. It was also accepted that people died; usually people in their 70s, which was old in those days, but sometimes children. Two children at my primary school died, of things that would be entirely curable these days. We had also recently had the completely random, though entirely preventable, tragedy of Aberfan.
People took whatever measures they could to protect themselves and their families and got on with their lives. It never occurred to them that anything else was an option. But, of course, they didn’t have social media or 24 hour news!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Whatever happened to lumbago ? Everyone’s Auntie had that and varicose veins.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

The days when children were just children and were cheeky or naughty, whereas now they suffer from ‘ADHD’ and are no doubt medicated up to the eyeballs.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

I remember that era as a child too and the Welsh disaster. The culture was so different in those days in a myriad of ways…not least children had the freedom to play out. Funny that as now the adults don’t have the freedom to play out either!

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Well, if you cannot think of anything good to do, then do nothing, at least You personally will not be actively doing harm.

unfortunately the shrills will demand that something, anything, must be done and that the government needs to be seen doing something , however ineffective and potentially harmful it may be

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Typical mindset in parts of the public sector (notably HMP) is to try and avoid making a decision by kicking it upstairs (escalate in newspeak), if a decision can’t be avoided make it ‘no’ is the safer option.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

So do something. Email as many MPs as you can, from both sides, either praising or condemning them. If you are not their constituent they will not reply, but their sidekicks will tot up the condemnation and tell them. Call them liars. Give them the real facts. Tell them to read the GBD.Blame them for the chaos, abuse, bankruptcies, mental health problems. Gum up their in boxes. Why? Because they’re worth it

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Why couldn’t they have done what has always been done during every previous pandemic, keep calm and carry on? 

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, because it’s not about a virus, it’s about a ‘great’ reset.

If we hope to oppose/resist/defeat it, it’s necessary to recognise what is being attempted !

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Tarfu
Tarfu
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I was 22 in 1968. 80,000 people out of a population of 55 million died as a result of this pandemic. I do not remember anything whatsoever of this. Life just carried on as normal.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Tarfu

Absolutely. I was at uni, missed no lectures, went to Gilbert and Sullivan rehearsals, shopped, – no masks, no “Hands,face space” (how sick I am of all the brainwashing) and led a normal (not a “new normal” life.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Of course they could think of something better. In 1967/8 during the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, over 80,000 died (extrapolating, over 96,000 today) yet there was no restriction of liberty, no economic chaos, no school/uni closure ( I was at uni, so I know).Boris fancied himself as a despot, so we had lockdown

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Correct. Over 80,000 died (extrapolating, over 96,000 today) I remember – I was a student at uni, and missed not a single lecture. And the next year, when it was still rampant, I was travelling back and forth to France. So no, there was no need for all this chaos. Oh, and in one week, over 2000 died – still no lockdown.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

MOs to debate the suspected lockdown murder of lung cancer patients in response to petition:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552734

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

We are all criminals now

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Fred
Fred
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Right !

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

You Said it

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

and received no upticks. 🙁

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John Ballard
John Ballard
5 years ago

Would be lovely to wake up one day and find that Boris had found his brain, not today it seems!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  John Ballard

It’s in the bin

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It was poured in i presume

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Underpants, I suspect.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  John Ballard

It reminds me of the courtroom story where a barrister asked a medical witness, ‘Are you sure the victim was dead?’.

‘Yes’, came the answer, ‘his brain was in a jar on my desk’.

‘But are you sure he was dead?’

‘Well now you mention it, he may be working as a barrister somewhere’.

On the other hand, maybe he became PM.

<gets coat>

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  John Ballard

Politicians around the world are taking orders from the same entity. The ‘Covid Cabal’ for want of a better description.

Perhaps it is the World Economic Forum after all that’s occupied the United Kingdom

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

The Schwaub mob.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago

I feel like this is my therapy group. Or a 12-step meeting. “Hello my name is X and I’m a lockdown sceptic.” We all come from different walks of life, may have different political views, live in various countries, range in age from old to young, and mostly want to remain anonymous. But we all have this one thing in common… an unshakeable belief that lockdowns (aka the removal of basic human rights, enforced isolation and life-threatening mandates inhibiting our most basic human functions like breathing and gaining community immunity against viruses) are wrong on every level. Lockdowns are unethical, unnecessary and inhumane. I felt this strongly on day one and I’ve never wavered. It was so perplexing, I’ve considered every possible theory out there. I’ve rejected most. But as more time passes, there are some undeniable contributing factors that have led to this nightmare: 1. Whether unintentional or intentional, China spooked the world with early hysteria about a novel coronavirus and demonstrated that harsh lockdowns were the only way to deal with it. 2. Rather than say, “Yes, but that’s the extreme way the Chinese Communist Party do things, we are a rational democracy,” Western governments panicked, caved to… Read more »

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

What a brilliant summary. ⭐️

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Best outline of the Great Deception to date.
Should be the foreword for the definitive history.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Agree, and perhaps a copy sent to all MPs?

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

This just about sums up my view.

Yesterday I thought the PM looked very strange indeed as he huddled on his front bench. Like a goblin, but also oddly feminine in his face. I don’t know what to make of this. From a psychoanalytic point of view I wonder if he is so disturbed by his own authoritarianism that he doesn’t recognise himself any more. Does he look in the mirror and see a woman? Whoever that is, it’s NOT ME…?

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Him ‘coming out as “transgender”’ is all we need. Then we really will have gone down the rabbit hole!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Maybe he got the first test vaccine back in March wintout knowing it?

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A Heretic
A Heretic
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Lack of testosterone after Princess Nut Nuts took his Nut Nuts.

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lurkingmeggie
lurkingmeggie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I tend to think China spooked the world on purpose. Remember the “leaked” videos from “dissidents” showing people falling dead in the streets? The video of a young man screaming and crying for help before he keeled over dead at his desk? The stories that the crematoriums were working 24 hours a day to burn all the bodies, and that black ash was falling on Japan from the burning. That the doors of apartment buildings were being welded shut with people left inside to die. All of course denied by the evil Chinese government who were trying to keep us from knowing how serious the virus was. We now know from our own experience of the virus that those videos were faked – it doesn’t work like that, nor kill that many people. We were played.

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Simon
Simon
5 years ago
Reply to  lurkingmeggie

I have a Chinese girlfriend, she’s been getting information from friends and family in the country. The bodies dropping dead in the street was faked. So was the massive amount of people going to hospital on satellite photos. It was a massive psy-op.

They have been wanting to destabilise the West for ages. But planned, maybe. Oportunistic, definitely.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon

They had plenty of help from the WHO and the MSM.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  lurkingmeggie

Our own press helped by publishing nonsense about Italians dying in corridors covered in lesions and boils, drowning with lungs full of septic puss. Straight out of a medieval plague manual.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  lurkingmeggie

I remember two Western expats in China on YouTube shilling hard for the WuFlu.

Their account names are laowhy86 and serpentza.

If you check their accounts now they are largely silent about WuFlu.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Actually, I have followed their videos for years because I have also worked in China as part of my university job. I have found most of their videos helpful and as I got to know China and Chinese people better, I would generally agree with what they say about most matters. They both, with their Chinese wives, had to leave China recently due to getting overly critical of the government and Communist Party. You could argue that they were both rather naive and perhaps foolish to think they could get away with it for as long as they did. Both now live in California. Regarding their coverage of developments in Wuhan, I followed them closely in January and afterwards. They do still have contacts in China and reported what they could gather, including how badly foreigners living in China have been treated (something that was starting to happen before the virus, actually). To be fair, I don’t think they intentionally exaggerated the severity of the virus. In the early days, there genuinely was a big problem with spread and with serious illness for older and unhealthy people (and possibly those getting mega doses, like the doctor who initially blew the… Read more »

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

Thank you for your balanced perspective. Fascinating to read!

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

Way to run cover for the CCP gaslighting op.

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Alexei
Alexei
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Wonderful summary, but you missed something out: this also happened in 95% of the world’s nations, simultaneously, in a near-uniform manner.

I call it the Globally Synchronised Cockup. I believe in it as much as I do the efficacy of the Astra Zeneca vaccine.

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I think you’re letting the media off the hook. IMO they were among the prime cause of the hysteria with their reporting of China and Italy. Their schizophrenic coverage played a large role in the self inflicted harms played by governments all around the globe.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Responsibility lies with governments to say, “You may be led to believe x by the media, but here are the facts.” Instead of the government finding and fudging figures to back up the hysterical media. You don’t let hysterical children dictate your decisions. That’s bad parenting. Ironically all the FACTS you need to refute this whole debacle are published for all to see, in plain sight. All over the internet, in public documents, on all the ONS, PHE, NHS websites you will find figures that categorically prove we are NOT in any kind of pandemic by ANY reasonable definition of the word. If MPs continue to use the popular rhetoric, mentioning “a deadly virus” and “this terrible disease” and “until we are all safe”, we will continue to go – collectively – to hell in a hand basket.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

The ONS have been very good to date. It was there that it was first shown that London had fewer deaths in early June than the five year average. Covid was downhill all the way from then on.

It was the statistitions that exposed Shipman and North (?) Staffs hospital.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Exactly! This is what I keep telling people. The facts are all there, often on official websites, but journalists are too caught up in the sensationalism they themselves have manufactured to stop now. Furthermore, members of the public are too lazy to look online, apart from their social media echo chambers. Ultimately, I blame (in democracies) the people (collectively). I think this is actually part of the problem with ‘waking up’ – some people are probably wondering if they’ve been taken in, but are too shocked or embarrassed to admit it to themselves and others. It will be interesting to see what happens when (and if) this finally ends. It’s possible there will be a huge anti-government reaction, and I think this is the main reason why so many governments have kept on with the charade.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

What, like giving the course of the world’s economy over to an autistic, stupid teenager who can’t be bothered to go to school?

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

A man who has not, and will never have, the balls to say, “I completely fucked up and I need to put it right.” 

Because he didn’t fuck up. He kicked off the ‘great’ reset.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Brilliant. Lockdown Sceptics is my therapy too. Without it I’d certainly be on anti depressants and going slowly mad. But fight back. You have a weapon – email. Use it to contact any and every MP you can -all their emails are out there. Praise the anti lockdowners and anti tierers. Condemn the others . Use words like despot, tyranny, etc. Quote Sir Graham Brady at the – the one about “if this was being done in a totalitarian state w would call it evil”. Call them evil. and don’t leave out Vallance and Whitty -their emails are out there too. Make their lives as much hell as you can. It costs nothing, relieves your stress and THEY’RE WORTH IT

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I don’t buy the panic and incompetence line. Johnson acts just as if he has taken the Gates’s shilling and he knows he shouldn’t have done that, but what can he do except keep digging the hole deeper. Bill’s got him and consequently the rest of us over over a barrel. It’s going to be very painful.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I’d say China is part of the monolithic Covid Cabal that’s waging war on the world.

President Xi’s plans to introduce QR code style vaccine passports to the West constitute an unprecedented attack on civil liberties. But of course Western governments are on board with it.

Intensely depressing. I don’t want to live in a ‘papers please!’ culture

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Why blame China, when it’s wholly the fault of our own sold-out government, there is really no one else to blame.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

You’re right. It’s both. But no nation has a right to impose cultural change on another

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Fantastic. Am thinking of copying this and sending it on to people. Would that be OK?

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I feel less alone reading the posts here. At times have felt I am going completely insane in a world of muzzled and compliant fools. I watched a programme about the Nuremberg trials last night and wept at the testimonies that recounted children being thrown into ovens alive as they ran out of gas. Jews slaughtered. The houses of Poles being set alight so they had to jump from windows and crawl away as their limbs were broken. The parallels with Nazi Germany of the 1930’s is so clear and I know who we are. I’m expecting some sort of marks on our houses to show we are ‘the enemy’. To set citizens against other citizens deliberately is the very worst part of this tyranny. The masketeers are not very far from attacking us. I’ve already had death threats.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

If I get any death threats they will be the ones dying lol. I am always ready for some Covid zealot to attack me for never wearing a mask….there will only be one winner in that contest.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Excellent analysis, could be the synopsis of a book on the whole thing.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Great piece, CNC. Deserves to be published as an article in its own right.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Wow my sentiments exactly!!! Brilliant.

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John Ballard
John Ballard
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Spot on

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Well said.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

And he’s quite prepared to drag the country down with him.

Just like Hitler.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

““I completely fucked up and I need to put it right.” He’d rather burn in hell than say that. And he’s quite prepared to drag the country down with him.”

Yes, I totally agree. I would quite happily supply him with the necessary ingredients to allow him to self-immolate as a gesture of contrition.

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago

It was very noticeable in the debate yesterday the large number of MPs who repeated the mantra about the vaccine(s) being an imminent saviour.

Today’s editorial throws more doubt over whether sufficient testing has been done to ensure a safe and effective vaccine can be rolled out in the near future.

So, what will the official and public responses be if the vaccines are delayed or need to be withdrawn?

Request – If replying please can you focus on the question above. Plenty of other places to discuss the pros and cons of vaccines

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I really hope they are delayed but I doubt the government will allow that if they can get away with it.
Official response if delayed? More and longer lockdown of course.
Public response? Mostly panic that the saviour is not with us but hopefully there will be some sensible questioning and pushback on keeping us locked in.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The longer the vaccines are delayed the better. We should focus on demanding ‘safety’ first & play them at their own game. Summer will arrive and by then the government will have become impotent. The media will also have become sceptical. The public will have tired of the spin. We will have managed to discredit PCR testing further, deaths will decrease …….. and by autumn Covid will not be headline news …… wishful thinking?

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

New slogan:

STAY SAFE. BE THE FIRST TO TAKE AN UNTESTED VACCINE.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Safety is Danger.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Or danger is safety.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Feeling lucky? Take the plunge(r).

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Pfizer vaccine has now been approved, the very one that Mike Yeadon and colleague think has serious problems. Good luck to the poor NHS staff who are made to have it.

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Overtaken by events! Let’s change the question to:
So, what will the official and public responses be if the vaccines being used are reported to have safety or efficacy shortcomings?

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I think the regime has lurched from one disaster to another by a complete failure to think. Before saying the vaccine would save us they must have known that vaccines take years to develop and their civil servants should have advised them to caveat their statements to this effect. They have now dug another hole for themselves by saying it’s almost here, when patently it is not, and might be years away. They now face another uncomfortable choice between attempting to force untested vaccines upon an unwilling population, or admitting that they were foolishly optimistic.

The biggest policy error in history aka lockdown was merely the first in a series of cock ups.

To answer the question there will be a public outcry and more of the media will be forced into taking a sceptical line. Cue removal of Prime Minister?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

But how proud handjob is that if we were in the EU this would have taken longer. That is supposed to be reassuring? But who is doing the testing? Er the company who produce the vaccine, erm

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The vaccines can keep encountering problems like the recent Oxford one. Delay will then prove that safety is a primary concern. Meanwhile we must stay locked down to control the virus and protect the NHS.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

That one’s easy. Official: “Lockdown until the next candidate comes along.” Public (except for us): “Can we not have it anyway? I don’t care about the side-effects.” Or maybe, “Never mind Matt, we know you want what’s best for us.”

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago

I no longer pay a subscription to the DT but, as we all know, there are still ways of reading it.
Today Allison Pearson is on fire with her hatred of the tier system and the lies perpetrated to justify it. She has an NHS insider who she calls “George”. Whenever she sees an unlikely statistic banded about by the government she gets the real data from George. None of us here will be surprised to know it is never true. The kindest thing you can say is it’s spin but I prefer to call it downright lies.
One of the worst things George has told her is that between 17.5% and 25% of Covid “infections” are acquired in hospital. She calls this’s the NHS’s Dirty Secret.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I would absolutely agree about the percentage of hospital acquired infections. I know of two people who were admitted to the new Queen Elizabeth hospital in Glasgow for ailments completely unrelated to covid. They were in their own rooms rather than open wards and visitors were not allowed (cruelty in itself). Low and behold despite this enforced isolation, they still managed to contract covid. One has since died and it’s not looking good for the other. I really hope their families kick up big time about how this was allowed to happen.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

My father, who is nearly 90, has a scan for suspected bowel cancer today. He is totally with it mentally (he is a retired journalist and a writer) but frail physically. He is terrified of having to have hospital treatment because he is convinced (rightly) that it will kill him. He wants to know whether he can be vaccinated first; I suspect the answer will be ‘no’. Whatever people might think of the vaccine, for him it is a lesser threat. I can think of nothing to say to help or reassure him. This is someone who started work on his local paper at 17, served in the RAF and has paid for the NHS since the day it began. I am so angry.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I’m in no way doubting you but are they covid infections, there must be some other virus the NHS are trying to hide.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

They tested negative for covid upon admission and later tested positive having displayed symptoms. We all know how accurate the PCR tests are though so there’s every possibility it’s something else. The fact remains though that they picked up a virus, covid or not, whilst completely isolated from the outside world.

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

If there is this level (say 20%) of Covid ‘infections’ acquired in hospital, this will presumably generate a much higher percentage of overall Covid deaths, because the patients were already suffering from something when they went into hospital. Now THAT would be a figure worth getting at – “xx% of Covid deaths were as a result of hospital-acquired infections.”

This is the current equivalent of the care homes scandal back in March when a high proportion of the deaths were caused by hospitals throwing patients with Covid back over the walls of their care homes.

How many of the eventual tally of, say, 60,000 ‘deaths with Covid’ will the NHS have been complicit in causing?

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Mel
Mel
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I know of 3 acquired in hospital, out of 5 positive tests. One an op for a knee injury. Patient tested negative as required before having operation. 6 days later his partner developed symptoms and they both tested positive. She’d been working at home, doesnt drive, gets supermarket deliveries ad it was during lockdown so not hospitality acquired.

Other an 80 year old friend who went into Barnsley Hospital in April with suspected heart attack. Tested negative on arrival. Was then (normal procedure) transferred to Northern General in Sheffield for stents, where after several days she tested positive. She seemed to have minimal ill effects from covid, despite being in a vulnerable group for age and co-morbidities, and was treated with aspirin for a mild temperature. She was however in hospital for an extended period of time as she kept testing positive for a whole month after symptoms disappeared and couldnt be discharged back to sheltered accommodation.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I’m surprised that the percentage is as low as that. How many covid positive people did the NHS shove out to care homes in March/April?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Filthy, in fact.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago

Another thing in today’s DT is the preparation to give NHS workers the vaccine starting next week, if it is approved. Imperial College trust are asking for volunteers to administer it to staff. Apparently, the logistical difficulties mean it’s much easier to manage in a hospital setting so NHS staff are going to be moved up from 2nd in the queue to first. I hope they will feel able to refuse.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I would not want to go anywhere near a person who had taken that vaccine so how do I get protection? Will the vaccinated carry a stamp on their heads so we can identify them? Or I could repurpose my mask-exempt lanyard and change the words to “VACCINATED”. But seriously… this is chilling. You know full well that no senior doctor is taking that shit. They will pump all the low grade nurses and porters (especially those with poor English who will be made to sign their consent without understanding it) with it so they can boast of the “numbers of NHS frontline workers vaccinated.” It’s a sick game.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Vaccinated against symptoms only = creation if asymptomatic Super carriers in an environment full of the vulnerable.

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

The Vaccines haven’t been licensed yet, so I doubt this is true. My wife is a prescribing pharmacist for the NHS and she has heard nothing of the sort. She won’t be taking it and neither will the nurses she works with.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Yes, the article did say “if approved”. I’m glad your wife and the nurses intend to refuse.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

No one should be taking a vaccine that hasn’t gone through several years of rigorous clinical trials. No one should be taking a vaccine for a virus that has dramatically lessened in severity (if it’s even still around at all) and is not deadly or even serious for the vast majority of people. The medical profession knows this. The whole thing is a PR exercise. They will do it even if they inject people with a placebo!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Indiscriminate prescription of tranquillisers has destroyed many, many lives. In the 1960s-1970s they turned my gran from a jolly little woman, with occasional bouts of needless worry, into a perpetual nervous wreck.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I think most of us who were children in the 60s Mums were on some form of Tranqs my Mum was on Valium (mother’s little helper)and sleeping tablets for years before she finally kicked them after meeting my step dad

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

And now they’re doing it with ‘puberty blockers’ and the rest of the enforced medicalisation of ‘gender’ non conforming children. Thank God for Keira Bell and the judgement yesterday.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Now licensed as of this morning.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Pfizers has now

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

It’ll be jab or job.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

For the Pfizer vaxx it needs 15-20 mins rest time after administering it to check after effects (doesn’t sound reassuring to me apart from the other issues). This, apart from the storage issues at -80 degrees is going to reduce the throughput and volumes of those vaccinated.
With NHS being first in the firing line will be interesting in their take up…we watch with interest.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

They used to tell me to wait 15 minutes at the Dr’s after an ordinary flu jab. That said I’ve no wish to have a rushed experimental vaccine. I’d want to know it was safe especially after what I know what happened when they tried to develop a vaccine for a cat coronavirus.

https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/article/vdt0010/

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

Can anyone take the US CDC seriously ?

A direct quote from the CDC website:”Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.”

Now, as at 30 September, only 5,469 had died within 28 days of a positive test in this age group according to their own numbers.

So something very odd is happening in the US death stats, but it sure as hell is nothing to do with COVID.

And, of course, Fauci continues to spout out this nonsense without sense checking it, as does more worryingly Biden.

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Adamb
Adamb
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

It does say largest “percentage” increase, so just from one rather small number to another I assume?

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claire
claire
5 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Well spotted! 0.000001% to 0.000002%is a 100% increase!

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

it’s actually about 30,000 people and considering the number of deaths with a positive test in the last 28 days for that age group was 5,469 there are a lot of excess deaths that have nothing to do with Covid – but could have something to do with lockdown !

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago

One last thing I read in today’s DT was a letter which shows what we are up against in this fight against lockdown. The writer didn’t mind that their sleepy hamlet was in tier 3 and the pub was closed. Apparently that means people won’t be visiting from high risk areas and anyway “it’s not forever”.
Firstly, I wonder how the pub landlord feels about that? Secondly, it was only for 3 bloody weeks in March and look where we are now. Dear Pat (letter writer), you and any other of your fellow residents who are scared stay indoors if you want to but let the rest of us enjoy some freedom and your local landlord rescue their business if it is still possible, We are not the selfish ones, your fear is making you unforgivably selfish.

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Salopian
Salopian
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

She needs a good jab

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Salopian

A left-right

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

ditto on facebook ski site about resorts being shut and workers at at french resort campaigning to open in dec. Some female shrill said “ohh it’s terribly sad and i will miss my ski in austria but i’m prepared to sacrifice ski holiday for the good of others” or words to that effect.
I responded that by the time she got out her bunker there probably won’t be a ski industry and individuals evaluate risks etc .
Didn’t go down well but these people just don’t get it and expect businesses to shut and then just pop back up as though nothing has happened – infuritating to say the least!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

A skiing holiday…haha.
I used to love skiing when I was young I was really good at it but since I was 18, I have never had enough money to go on a skiing holiday again..

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

It’s sad how many people have no clue what it takes to run a business.

They think a business can just flick operations on and off like a light switch.

The reality is the opposite, and ski resorts are one of the least agile businesses going.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

I think Sage and the Cabinet think the same way!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

I think the word “some” before “freedom” is surplus to requirement. Just give us our freedom! (You’re quite right that the scaredy-cats can cower at home, if they wish)

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Yes and Dear Pat, what about the poor minimum wage girl who worked in the pub and has not had a proper months money since March? As Sunita said, only the rich think lockdowns are good.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago

Mine too, but with a ministerial car to hang onto it’s not really surprising. I hope she’s not dumb enough to knock on my door during the next election campaign. She did last time but I was out and my husband was on a conference call so we couldn’t bandy words. It would have been quite friendly back then, although we weren’t 100% happy. Now she’d be best advised not to try.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Put a tripwire on the stairs. Legitimate self-defence.

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Piano wire ? Neck height ?

Obviously I ‘m not seriously proposing this but when I saw the previous post that was the image which came to mind and I just wanted to confirm the details 🙂

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago

Mahyar Tousi (@MahyarTousi) Tweeted: MPs spent hours telling us we should lock down, socially distance, and wear masks… then after the debate, they patted each other on the back with no social distancing or mask-wearing – including the Prime Minister breaking his own rules.

Rules for the many, not the few… https://t.co/wnJ1yXiKSc
https://twitter.com/MahyarTousi/status/1333856200941838337?s=20

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Local Live roundup
The College will be learning at home for the last week of term to avoid taking Covid home for Xmas because lots of University students will be travelling at this time.
(Oh really, 1. Students are supposed to be going home this first week of December. 2. University and College students don’t mix).

This school or that community college have pupils isolating ( about 6 articles daily).

Rise in Covid cases in county hospitals.
Cases in county halved from last week.

Total deaths in the county now at 330 ( out of 1.1 million over 8 months, yawn.)

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago

That Julia Hartley Brewer interview with Col Bob Stewart MP shows us exactly what we’re up against. He basically admitted on air that he would vote for the Tier system despite the complete lack of scientific evidence supporting it’s efficacy because “we need to support the government and listen to the experts.”

That’s it. That’s his entire justification for destroying hundreds of businesses in his constituency and plunging millions of families into a future of financial insecurity and hardship. These repugnant troughers only care about their spot on the gravy train.

I hope the likes of Stewart are forced to glance nervously over their shoulder for the rest of their miserable lives!

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PFD
PFD
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Bob Stewart also suggested they were experts because Mr Johnson had chosen them! That is a very interesting definition of an expert.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  PFD

And when he was asked about other expert opinions he kept saying about Professor’s Heneghen and Gupta “well if they are so good why aren’t they on sage then?” maybe he should be asking Johnson that

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

If SAGE is the pinnacle of “expert opinion” then this country is well and truly finished!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

As well as being totally fucked.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  PFD

Why look to the PM for any considered judgement or thinking? He’s a politician, for heaven’s sake! He does the immediate thing that doesn’t require ant thought.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  PFD

Did Johnson choose them? It seems to me that the committee was assembled pretty quickly, which suggests the civil service already had them on call.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Email him. I have. Tell him what you think. Tell him about the GBD. Say you heard him The more we email MPs of both sides letting them know what we think, the more we can encourage those who voted against the tiers and condemn the others. If you’re not their constituent they’ll not reply but someone will be counting the emails. Call them liars. Use words like despot, tyranny, quote Graham Brady at them “we would call it evil”. Call them evil if they support such measures. Tell them they are to blame for all the hardship, abuse, bankruptcies, breakdowns personally. Make them uncomfortable if possible. Why do we need to save the NHS?Is it not there to save us?

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Sceptic in Oxford
Sceptic in Oxford
5 years ago
Reply to  Anne Passman

I’ve been doing that whenever I hear one of them on the radion. We’ve got to chip away at them, even if they’re not our MP.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
5 years ago

Very much enjoyed the Ramesh Thakur article today, it certainly made me think.

I’m pretty reasonable on the science and data analysis side of things, but I’m clueless on what our best practical actions are to get us back to normal.

At the moment at least, I think that peaceful protest rather than violent protest is the way forward. It was noticeable from watching footage of the London protests how peaceful they were from the protesters side of things. I have nothing but admiration for the protesters who attended.

Angry as we are (and boy am I angry like most others here) as soon as you start using violence then it gets used against you by the media, politicians and all the others whose vested interests are to keep this charade going, and you then lose the potential support of others who don’t like what is going on but are currently sitting on the proverbial fence.

The voluntary arrest approach isn’t going to be practical in real life for many, but for those for whom it is, it’s something to consider I guess. We have to start thinking about these things though.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Medicines regulator has approved Pfizer vaccine for UK.
BBC R4 reporting with NHS staff first in line next week.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No! Just no. I hope they will refuse.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Let’s see how they like being guinea pigs.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Many of us have NHS staff in our families. Some of them even worked on the frontline in ICU when they were overflowing and did not make TikTok videos. Some of them caught the disease and some of them are clearly immune. Don’t punish them please.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Well said, Steph.
The NHS is a monstrous mess of an organisation, but let’s not lose sight of the people who work in it.

Those caring for the sick and dying last March/April showed courage. They did not know what they were facing in those early weeks, but they dug deep and found the courage to accept risk to themselves and to their families. And hats off too to their partners and families for their support.

(Maybe a few MPs could learn something from them.)

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  TheOriginalBlackPudding

I watched a little of the “great banquet” on BBC yesterday, (yes, I still have BBC).
The theme this year is Thank you to key workers (NHS only of course).
They did fancy canapees.
I am sure they would prefer Pizza, like they have been all year, apparently.
Although I believe some restaurants delivered more healthy food as well.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  TheOriginalBlackPudding

Absolutely.
I am hoping a very significant number refuse. If that happens, then the government’s whole ‘strategy’ will fall to pieces.

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