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by Jonathan Barr
3 December 2020 4:43 AM

That Was Quick!

REUTERS/Dado Ruvic/Illustration

News broke yesterday that the UK has approved the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for widespread use, becoming the first country in the world to do so. The regulator, Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), has said the the jab offers 95% protection against COVID-19 and is safe. The NHS plans to begin the rollout as soon as next week. Indeed, initial batches are on the way and the army stands ready to assist. The speed surprised many, not least as the timing of the decision, on the day on which the tier system came into force, was politically convenient. Ross Clark, in the Spectator, explains how the vaccine could be approved so quickly and details some of the testing:

Today’s decision has been possible thanks to the Human Medicines Regulations 2012, which allow Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency to grant temporary emergency use authorisation in circumstances such as this.

Even so, eyebrows have been raised at the speed of the MHRA’s decision. In a briefing this lunchtime, Berkeley Phillips, medical director of Pfizer, suggested that regulatory bodies had all the data they needed, but that the MHRA had been prepared to “read the individual chapters of a book” rather than wait for the whole book to be written. The full, published results are still in preparation. As Britain will be the first country to administer the vaccine, Phillips said, it will work on any problems associated with the rollout. We will have to hope we don’t suffer the curse of the early adopter.

What we do now know is that of the 41,135 participants in the study, 170 went on to catch COVID-19. Of these, 162 were in the control group given the placebo and just eight had been given the vaccine. Pfizer says that the study deliberately recruited people who were especially vulnerable to the disease, and 45% were over the age of 56. The overall efficacy rates of 95% was observed across the range of ages and ethnic groups – it was judged to be over 94% among the over-65s

This is a medical breakthrough and, on the face of it, good news. Nonetheless, many Briton’s are not yet convinced that the vaccine is safe. MailOnline has more:

One fifth of Britons are still unsure the Pfizer vaccine is safe while two thirds said Health Secretary Hancock should be given the jab live on air, according to a new survey by YouGov. Researchers asked more than 5,000 adults in Britain how confident they were that the new Pfizer vaccine is safe. In response, 20% of those asked said they were either not confident at all or not very confident that the vaccine would be safe. Just over a quarter, 27% of people said they are “very confident” it will be safe while 43% said they are “somewhat confident”.

Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here. Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so. It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here. Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.

Nonetheless, there are some important concerns that need to be addressed. Not least those in the petition by Dr Yeadon and Dr Wodarg which we reported on yesterday:

– The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. 

– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.

– The mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance. This means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

– The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow.

There are also the practical issues raised by Ross Clark in his Spectator article:

While the trials have proved that the vaccine can provide immunity against COVID-19 for the person who has been vaccinated, they were not designed to show whether the vaccine stops someone transmitting the virus to others. Nor do we know how long immunity might last. 

There’s another consideration: If you’ve already had COVID-19, what’s the point of getting vaccinated? At present, the Government recommends everyone getting the jab, including those who’ve had the virus. But why? Matt Hancock was asked this by Susanna Reid on Good Morning Britain yesterday (at about the 8 minute mark). The health secretary says that it’s because you can’t be sure, having had the disease, that you won’t get it again. The obvious question – if having antibodies doesn’t prevent you from getting re-infected, what’s the point of getting vaccinated? – was left unasked.

Finally, and the point most obvious for lockdown sceptics: For the majority of the population, COVID-19 presents little or no risk. Far from being a death sentence, there is ~99.75% chance of surviving it. More, if you believe the data emerging from Norway, where the infection fatality rate is just 0.12%. It’s partly because the IFR of the disease is so low that the cure has been so much worse. We hope that the vaccine isn’t rolled out in such a way that it adds to these costs, particularly when it comes to the further erosion of our liberties.

Any hint of coercion must be completely ruled out.

Is the Infection Fatality Rate for COVID-19 Really Worse than Influenza?

Research recently published in the British Medical Journal analysed the first wave of COVID-19 cases in community settings in Spain, looking to estimate the country’s IFR. Its finding, a rate of 0.8%, has been robustly challenged in the BMJ by Peter C. Gøtzsche, Professor and Director of the Institute for Scientific Freedom, Copenhagen, in a letter that’s worth reproducing in full.

Pastor-Barriuso et al. found an infection fatality rate for COVID-19 of 0.8% in Spain. They quote an unpublished review that found 0.68%, with estimates ranging from 0.16% to 1.60%. In their discussion, they mention this review again: “Our overall estimate of infection fatality risk was similar to that found in seroepidemiological surveys with a low risk of bias.”

But what about other reviews? They quote in the introduction a 2020 review by John Ioannidis, which is in press in the Bulletin of the World Health Organization but do not say what he found, only that the magnitude of the infection fatality risk is being debated. Sure, but that is not informative. Ioannidis included 61 studies (74 estimates) and eight preliminary national estimates. He reported that the infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63% and that the median rate was 0.27%.

Pastor-Barriuso et al. concluded that the infection fatality rate they found was about 10 times larger than those for seasonal influenza. They quoted the US Centres for Disease Control, but this agency may be a highly unreliable source when it comes to influenza.

Infection fatality rates for virus infections depend on the infectious dose, which is higher in settings with overcrowding. We can therefore only estimate death rates approximately. In outbreaks of measles, a commonly used estimate is 0.2%, but it can be many times higher. When measles hit a non-immune population in the Faroe Islands in 1846, 78% were attacked and the case fatality rate was 2.8%, over 10 times higher than the usual rate of 0.2%.

It is therefore not surprising that for influenza, as for all viral diseases, there are huge variations in reported case-fatality rates. In a systematic review, the median was about 1% for laboratory confirmed influenza during the mild influenza pandemic in 2009 and the following years.

These data contradict the assertion by Pastor-Barriuso et al. that the infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is about 10 times larger than that for influenza. It seems to be about the same. In Denmark, when blood donors were tested for coronavirus antibodies, the death rate for COVID-19 was only 0.16%.

Pastor-Barriuso et al. concluded that their result supports existing measures, “e.g. social distancing, face masks, and educational campaigns”.

I disagree. The infection fatality rate seems to be about the same as for influenza, but we have never introduced these drastic measures before, when we had influenza pandemics. And we cannot live with them for years to come. The World Bank has just estimated that the corona pandemic has caused an increase of about 100 million people living in extreme poverty. This is not because of COVID-19. It is because of the draconian measures we have introduced. We need a better strategy.

Find the original here, together with references.

Professor David Livermore: (In)accuracy of Lateral Flow Testing

David Livermore, Professor of Medical Microbiology at the University of East Anglia, has been in touch with Lockdown Sceptics to point out a couple of issues with rapid antigen lateral flow testing, which has been trialled recently for use in mass-testing. Seems these tests might not be terribly accurate.

Rapid lateral flow tests for COVID-19 were used extensively in Liverpool a few weeks ago and are now being touted for wider use to “free populations”. But how accurate are they? In Liverpool, 700 positives were found among 140,000 people tested, which had to be set against a prediction of 560 false positives in 140,000 tests, based on the DHSC estimate of 99.6% specificity.

Others have their doubts too, including the American Society for Microbiology (ASM) and the Nevada State Health Department (NSHD). I don’t think these will surprise many reading here. They certainly don’t surprise me. We agree, I think, that there is a fundamental problem with using diagnostic tests in mass fishing trips among the asymptomatic well, in whom the ‘Pre-test probability’ (forgive me, horrible jargon for population prevalence) is low. False positives inevitably become a curse, addressed only (as with the NSHD) if one then does a second confirmatory test on every positive.

What does impress me is that these statements have come from such pukka sources rather than the usual heretics. The ASM (American Society for Microbiology) is very much the premier professional microbiology society in the United States and its statement is endorsed inter alia by the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology in America – again a highly respected professional society – and by the US Association of Public Health Laboratories. Neither is the NSHD to be sneezed at – the fact that it asserts problems with two different tests from different reputable diagnostic companies suggests that the issue is generic, not just one bad test type.

I did like that the ASM piece said: “The cost of frequent, rapid testing would be tremendous. For example, at $5 per test, testing everyone in the US three times per week would cost $4.9 billion per week. When considering an approach of 30 million tests weekly (~10% of the U.S. population), the Rockefeller Foundation estimates a cost of $75 billion in the next year. Even if a $1 test existed, it could cost up to $40 billion in increased spending. Limiting testing to school-aged children, college and university students, full- or part-time employees and other groups who could have frequent contact with multiple people, as well as continuing with medical pre-procedural testing, could still be expected to cost billions per week.  It is unclear where funding would come from.“

Actually, this looks almost cheap compared with the wildest fantasies of ‘Operation Moonshot’, which comes in at £100 billion (US$133 billion) for a population of around one fifth that of the USA. That’s about 70% of the UK NHS annual budget… SAGE and the Office for Budget Responsibility might benefit from reading these. Boris and Hancock too.

Stop press: Sheffield City Council has issued an instruction to care homes “not to use lateral flow test kits… until we can gain assurances of their effectiveness” dealing a blow to plans to allow visiting. It told operators that “when used in practice, the performance… appears to show an unacceptably high risk of not correctly detecting infected individuals”. Too many false negatives, in other words. The Guardian has the details.

Postcard from New Zealand

The view from Joe’s quarantine room, to offices where people still wear masks

We’ve had another postcard come in, this time from Joe Meyer, an Olympic level three day event rider who is currently cooped up quarantining in New Zealand before he can visit his family. The experience is not too bad, he says. The staff are friendly and the food is okay, but his quarantine is pricey, and he is counting down the days. His comments on Florida, where he lives, will be of interest too.

I am currently enjoying a 14-day quarantine after entering New Zealand. I’m traveling to visit my children that I have not seen since last Christmas due to Covid.

First some background. I live in central Florida. Florida is 100% open at present. We have had lockdowns at the beginning of the year and the state has opened up in stages. Yes there have been spikes in Covid which have been primarily due to large gatherings, concentration of population and irresponsibility. Lockdown was a bit like growing up in New Zealand in a rural area. Shopping was done once a week. We didn’t see a lot of people. My neighbour’s 96 year-old father is not allowed to leave the farm. I wear a gator style mask everyday where I am required to, so it is not a complete shock, encountering restrictions. Florida has pockets of some very concentrated population where there is more concern. The rest is no problem. Businesses in Florida are opening, business seems to be booming. 

Flying to New Zealand, I checked in at Air New Zealand in Los Angeles. The agent at the check-in desk asked me for my Golden Ticket. The penny dropped. She was referring to my MIQ entry voucher. I laughed as I took my boarding pass. The plane was unnervingly full. I was in the very back seat and was relieved to find a space between myself and the gentleman next to me. Masks were worn at all times unless eating or drinking. The flight was uneventful and 13 hours later we landed in Auckland. Getting off the plane took some time. A long boarded up corridor has been built through the duty free shops area. We all waited patiently until we got a temperature check and a quick interview. No symptoms, go left to bus to hotel. Symptoms turn right and straight to Jet Park hotel. This is the managed isolation hotel. 

The bus ride to Novotel Ellerslie took approximately 30 minutes. Our driver cheerfully told us that people behind were going to Rotorua. A short three-hour drive. On arrival at Novotel, we were briefed by a Navy Lieutenant. Long story short: Deliveries and online shopping allowed, approved masks to be worn at all times in communal areas, stay in your room as much as possible.

As we checked in there was another temperature check, an interview, and we were sent to out rooms with a breakfast bag. The room itself is nice. I was lucky enough to get the car view. I have never said that before! It has a lovely row of palm trees that reminds me of home. I can see the Auckland rush-hour traffic and everyday I am reminded why I don’t  live here. In the room there is a king bed, a chaise lounge, a desk with a swivel chair, a 48-inch TV with 90 channels, an en-suite bathroom with a tub and a small bar area with a fridge! Also coffee (instant sachets), tea and a kettle. 

We were given the menu to fill out and hand in. There are three choices of breakfast: Hot cooked, pancakes or muesli. There is also yogurt and bread, an anti-oxidant fruit drink and coconut water. For Lunch and Dinner there is a choice of two different meals. The chef here clearly has some Indian/Asian influences. Pad Thai, Butter Chicken, Moroccan Lamb and Poached Salmon to name a few. My wife would not cope but for me it’s great. The portions are more than adequate but I’m not a huge person. There is also plenty of fresh fruit. A fairly limited room service is available for food. This costs extra. A fairly extensive wine list is also available. The evening meal is at 6pm which is a little early for me and the food can go cold quickly. I have remedied this by placing the iron upside down and putting my meal in its brown paper on top. I have found medium high is the best setting. I haven’t started any fires yet.

Next was an online shop at Countdown for items I had forgotten and a supply of adult beverages. Countdown is a local supermarket chain. There was a slot that afternoon and the goods were delivered that night. 

I received  two complimentary clothes washing vouchers. Items to be marked off on a list. Ten items only. Two day turnaround. No problem for me but I feel for the families of four. There is an option to purchase extra washing. 

As for exercise, we are lucky to have the aforementioned car park. Some other hotels take guests on buses to an exercise area. 6am till 7am is the designated slot for  heavy exercise like Running. Masks are optional. There is a shuttle run area marked off where we can have a good work out. This  must be booked. Only 10 runners allowed at a time, and 20 in the static area on the grass next to it. Guests must have a towel and cool off properly before entering hotel with their mask back on. I have missed out on the heavy exercise three days in row now due to overbooking which is frustrating as some people are taking advantage of this privilege. 7am till 9pm is open for light exercise; walking and light jogging. Masks mandatory. No sweating. 

The exercise regime is not too bad except on certain days. Today like other days was a transition day with more guests arriving. There was an opportunity for heavy exercise as usual, from 6am till 7am if booked in. Otherwise we were confined to our rooms till 3pm. The plane was late so we were confined until 4pm. A positive Covid test and we were in confinement for the rest of the day. So if you didn’t get out at 6am you were stuck inside all day. 

After the first couple of days, I needed further supplies. By my good fortune, I have a very good friend who lives less than a mile away and a care package of wine, fruit, crackers, pate and New Zealand treats soon arrived. The real game changers, though, were the French coffee press and coffee and a sharp knife, fork and plate! It had taken me 20 min to eat my Moroccan Lamb with a plastic knife out of plastic tub the night before. Guests dropping off packages can park close to the perimeter. There is an area where we can talk across the fence.

Some people on the other side of the fence wear masks. Most don’t. There are offices across the road and people wear masks there sometimes. I can’t quiet understand this. All the Covid cases in New Zealand are in controlled isolation.  

The cost of the Quarantine is NZD $ 3,100. (£1,600). New Zealanders staying longer than 90 days are exempt from this charge. There are also some waivers on compassionate grounds. The rest of us that cannot be away from our businesses for 90 days have to pay. This can’t be cheated either. Immigration is watching the airport exit. I am deeply frustrated that people are planning to stay 92 days and leave. I believe that everyone should pay with a refund given after 12 months in New Zealand 

The hotel staff and nurses have been nothing short of fantastic. They are super friendly and accommodating. There are some caveats but once you know them you are ok. For example, I called room service to ask for an ice bucket. “Sorry Sir we don’t serve ice buckets but we can put  ice in a bag for you.” Then housekeeping called me. I asked if they would like to clean my room. “I’m sorry Sir. We don’t  do that but we can supply all you need.”  So I had towels and sheets and some cleaning supplies delivered. 

It’s day nine and I’m having to think up a few new ways to ease the boredom. I was told this may happen. Day 13 and 14 will be exciting I’m sure! Overall, its not so bad. I know we are getting let out eventually!

Interview: A Lifelong Nurse on her COVID-19 Experience

Lifelong Nurse, Nicky Millen. Watch her full interview on COVID-19 NHS experiences

There is a new interview over at unmasked-doco, Robert Bowles’s film in progress. Nicky Millen, a registered nurse with 40 years experience, just didn’t feel she could do it any more after her experiences of COVID-19 in the NHS. Listen to her describe her experiences eloquently and powerfully.

Unmasked-doco is a documentary project aiming to shine a light on the hidden impact of the COVID-19 scare. It relies entirely on crowdfunding, and the final film will be free to view. Roger would appreciate any donations.

Just How High Are Excess Deaths in 2020?

Today, we’re revisiting a hardy perennial and comparing excess deaths in 2020 to excess deaths in previous years. Or, rather, Lockdown Sceptics and statistical whizz Guy de la Bédoyère is. Guy is always worth reading. Here’s an extract:

Let’s look at the beginning of 2018. For the first eight weeks of 2018, thanks to a flu epidemic, the weekly registered deaths exceeded 12,000 every week. In Week 2 of 2018 registered deaths exceeded 15,000 (15,050 actually). Indeed, for those weeks the registered deaths exceeded the five-year average by a considerable margin (as much as 14.8% in one week). The average weekly death rate for the first eight weeks of 2018 was 13,266 (1,895 per day). The tenth and eleventh weeks of 2018 were also over 12,000. The average weekly death rate for the first 11 weeks of 2018, when 142,771 people died, was 12,979 and that’s only because Week 9 came in at 10,854. In the first eight weeks of 2017 the average weekly death rate was 12,548.

Both 2017 and 2018 were considerably worse than the same couple of months in 2019 when only Week 2 exceeded 12,000, so you can’t attribute early 2018’s or early 2017’s high figures to post-Xmas delayed registration. Week 51 of December 2019 incidentally showed a total of 11,926 registered deaths, a tad under 12,000 and that’s from two months before the pandemic.

In short – the first two months of 2018 were worse than the last couple of months this year.

Worth reading in full.

The Growing Community Below the Line

It is always good to see healthy debate below the line and it never seems to stop. Lockdown Sceptics is now averaging over 1,500 comments a day. A heartfelt thanks to our team of moderators, who work tirelessly (and entirely for free) to keep the porn spammers out.

Round-up

  • “Real Normal Podcast, Episode 14: We’re no strangers to ‘R’” – In their latest episode, the boys get together on Zoom to talk about the R number, anti-lockdown protests in London, the Danish mask study, censorship, plus their favourite biscuit. There are also some marvellous songs
  • “‘COVID-19 got me’: The heart-breaking suicide note financial adviser left his family” – From MailOnline, the sad story of Nick Gunnell who drowned himself in the River Ouse after lockdown destroyed his business. Not an isolated case
  • “‘Do Not Resuscitate’ orders are being illegally put on files of adult patients with learning difficulties” – Learning disability charity Dimensions UK has told the the Commons Health and Social Care Committee that they have seen the orders placed on people they support without any consultation. This was flagged for us by a reader who saw it happen to her sister
  • “COVID-19 Liberation Day is coming, and Britain should be the first to declare it” – Allister Heath’s take on the arrival of a vaccine for the Telegraph. Boris must accelerate the rollout, he says, and end the lockdown and all restrictions
  • “Could we be asked to self-isolate if we catch flu?” – Isabel Hardman ponders a horrid thought in the Spectator
  • “Europe will pay a high price for vaccine bureaucracy while nimble Britain breaks free” – Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says that it is Britain’s freedom from the EU policy orbit that is to be thanked for our first place in the vaccine rollout race
  • “Donald Trump ‘livid’ with US regulator as UK approves COVID-19 vaccine first” – The outgoing President is angry that the UK approved a vaccine before the US
  • “GCSE and A-level exams will be made easier in 2021 after ‘unprecedented disruption’ to learning caused by coronavirus pandemic” – The ongoing fall out from the lockdowns on the education of the young
  • “Poverty is soaring under lockdown” – A massive 690,000 people have fallen into poverty, despite Government assistance, according to Spiked
  • “India coronavirus cases stay below 50,000 for 25th straight day” – COVID-19 cases have been falling in India since September, defying the expected rise in Diwali
  • “On Her Majesty’s Secret Furlough! 007 producers’ got £100k from the taxpayer during lockdown” – Sebastian Shakespeare in the Daily Mail on the healthy bonus for the producers behind the James Bond movies
  • “Austin Mayor Who Told Citizens To ‘Stay Home’ Was Vacationing in Mexico with Extended Family” – A bold new entry in the COVID-19 hypocrisy stakes
  • “Piers Corbyn avoids fine after being found GUILTY of breaking coronavirus restrictions at anti-lockdown protest in Hyde Park in May” – Another penalty which didn’t stick when tested in court. From Mailonline
  • “Boris Johnson could be given COVID-19 vaccine on live TV” – The PM says he’ll be happy to take the vaccine on telly provided it doesn’t involve queue crashing
  • “Viruses, Lockdowns, and Biomic Learning” – Out of a population of 24 million, Taiwan registers only 573 cases and seven deaths. George Gilder wonders why on the AIER blog
  • “EU criticises ‘hasty’ UK approval of COVID-19 vaccine” – The European Union criticised Britain’s rapid approval of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine yesterday, saying its own procedure was more thorough
  • “Boris’s clash over masks” – Jonathan Van-Tam suggests masks might continue to be needed and Boris appears to differ. Kate Andrews in the Spectator has the details
  • The doughty Desmond Swayne tells the Commons that vaccines cannot be made mandatory

The Government would set the seal on its reputation as the most authoritarian since the Commonwealth of the 1650s should they use coercion to ensure vaccination. But it is as nothing as the enthusiasm of Labour for even more coercive and restrictive measures. pic.twitter.com/xMfxVFoAuH

— rt hon Sir Desmond Swayne TD MP (@DesmondSwayne) December 1, 2020

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one today: “Don’t Take Me For A Fool” by Captain Crimson.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, from Spiked, the news that Nike, Coca-Cola and Apple, who have all been keen to prove their woke-ness in the past, have reportedly been lobbying against a US ban on imports from the Xinjiang region of China, where Uyghur Muslims face severe repression and are used for forced labour.

The Uyghur Forced Labour Prevention Act has already passed the House of Representatives, and is expected to pass the Senate. It demands that companies exporting to the United States analyse their supply chains and possibly ditch Chinese suppliers. In cases where companies cannot prove goods produced in Xinjiang were not made by forced labour, the act bans those goods. But it seems not everyone is happy with this attempt to combat modern slavery. Many firms are worried about potential threats the act poses to their supply chains.

In the recent past, Nike, Coca-Cola and Apple have been keen to parade their wokeness. In the aftermath of the death of George Floyd, Nike released an Instagram video featuring a perverted form of its slogan, which read, “For once, Don’t Do It.” This was followed by statements such as “Don’t turn your back on racism” and “Don’t make any more excuses”.

And yet, for all their performative moralising, these companies are now trying to water down action against the extreme oppression of Uyghur Muslims in China. The New York Times reports that lobbyists seek changes such as the “easing [of] disclosure requirements” that would be put in place by the act. Apple, it says, has proposed extended compliance deadlines, and is not keen on the idea of giving supply-chain information to the public, preferring to release this information to Congress instead.

Nike claims it has not lobbied against the act, but merely had ‘constructive discussions’. It also said it does not source products from Xinjiang, though reports contradict this. Coca-Cola says it does not permit forced labour in its supply chain and that one of its sugar suppliers which was linked to forced labour has since been audited. And Apple says it has found “no evidence of forced labour” on its production lines.

But disclosure documents are revealing. Though not explicit about the ultimate aims of the expenditure, they show both Nike and Coca-Cola have paid for lobbying in relation to the Forced Labour Act, while Apple has also paid for lobbying on what the New York Times describes as “Xinjiang-related legislation”.

Worth reading in full.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Stop Press: The World Health Organisation (WHO) has updated – and tightened – its guidance on wearing masks. In areas where there is high transmission of COVID-19, people over the age of 12 should wear masks in health care facilities and for all indoor interactions in buildings with poor ventilation, including schools and office. Reuters has the details:

In June, the WHO urged governments to ask everyone to wear fabric masks in indoor and outdoor public areas where there was a risk of transmission of the virus. In more detailed advice published on Wednesday, the WHO said that, where places with high transmission, including children and students aged 12 or over, should always wear masks in shops, workplaces and schools that lack adequate ventilation, and when receiving visitors at home in poorly ventilated rooms. Masks should also be worn outdoors and in well-ventilated indoor spaces where physical distancing of at least one metre cannot be maintained. In all scenarios, masks, which protect against transmission of the virus rather than infection, need to be accompanied by other precautions, the WHO said. In areas of COVID-19 spread, it also advised “universal” wearing of medical masks in health care facilities, including when caring for other patients.

For more information on the (in)effectiveness of masks, see our round-up here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

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Moomin
Moomin
5 years ago

Second!

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Moomin
Moomin
5 years ago

Morning! Another day of herd insanity awaits!

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

Dear .tooo quick

‘No 10 Is Running A BRAINWASHING PR Campaign’ Says Ex WHO Professor #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYKXDnVBJA

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

Dear Early bird
Risk Assessment On The New COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmU758F0BAA

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Don’t you know that in the last meeting of BoJo with Bill Gates & Friends (early November), Billy G told BoJo

“This jab is wonderful, safe and I already instructed the MHRA to just repeat the text of my Pharma Corporations Friends.”

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
5 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

The true Axis of Evil.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Easy peasy.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

Dear Early Morning

Dr Mike Yeadon: ‘Strong evidence’ of Covid herd immunity in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLnM8DsLLM

Dr Mike Yeadon, a former chief scientific adviser with Pfizer, has claimed there is “strong evidence” that the UK has developed some herd immunity against coronavirus.

Speaking with talkRADIO’s Julia Hartley-Brewer, the lockdown sceptic said it was shown by the “lack” of Covid deaths happening in London.

“It was about 200-250 a day seven months ago. I checked three days ago, it was nine – so about 90-95% lower”.

Dr Yeadon also voiced concerns over the mass roll out of the newly approved Pfizer and BioNTech jab, because it was “too early” to know its the long term safety or effectiveness.

However, he did say that he was “pro-vaccine” and “not an anti-vaxxer”.

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Ferd III
Ferd III
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

‘pro-vaccine’ what does that even mean? most vaccines don’t work. flu vaccines have failed for 60 years. is 60 years of failure not enough evidence that the vaxx could be not only useless but injurious, especially to older people with weak immune systems, bodies and co-morbidities. society really is close to being clinically brain dead. ask critical questions, get branded ‘anti-xxxx’. whatever.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

I have two A levels so therefore am perfectly qualified to destroy your future in seconds.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Would not surprise me if the government recruit veterinary practices to give out the jab.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Vets have much longer training than people doctors.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I know I have a friend who is a veterinary surgeon, and he has more compassion than any human doctor I have ever met.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

But don’t kid yourself. Probably most veterinary practices can be mercinary and even without scruples. Looking for the big coin that loving owners might willingly spend. Unnecessary MRI’s etc.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Until quite recently vets were allowed to treat and operate on humans.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The CEO of Pfizer is a veterinary doctor, so he knows exactly how to handle animals.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I bet he has a photo of bill gates looking smug and pleased with himself

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

That wouldn’t worry me one little bit.
But first, I’d ask the vet if he would be happy to give a similarly untested vaccine to my dog.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Interesting question.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Would rather a vet did it than somebody educated to A level standard without medical expertise. (Would rather nobody did it of course)

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The local vets appear to be the ones most worried about Covid. The other Sunday, on the way to church, I walked past them and witnessed a woman sitting outside in the cold underneath a tarpaulin, sheltering from the rain, waiting for pet owners to queue up on the pavement behind a sign. Too dangerous to go inside! Absolute insanity.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Mrs Gruff is a veterinary nurse and a dyed in the wool sceptic, however, she wears a mask at work because she would not be allowed to work if she didn’t.

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Billy No Mates
Billy No Mates
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

And surprised you won’t be as they are doing exactly that! They are also recruiting cabin crew and lifeguards to administer the jab. It’s all there in black and white, just have a look on their jobs website and search immunisations

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Have you got a Scouts First Aider badge?

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Wait I will get my Crayola set out, sure I can get me self certificated.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No but I once had a virtuous thought, which indefinitely qualifies me to inject.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

No doubt our government favourite sub-contractors are recruiting as we speak.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Vicious thoughts might be a better qualification under this government…

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No I have got cycling proficiency, does that count?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I’ve got that too, gissa job !

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Ha, I have a bronze and silver swimming certificate!!

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Robin
Robin
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Does my Bronze Medal – Commended in Ballroom Dancing beat that??!!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Operation ‘Save the Pig Dictator’ moves to the next phase

Historians will probably refer to it as the ‘Naff vaccine phase’

Meanwhile the ‘ get rid of this feckin idiot before he causes any more damage’ groups are organising their Christmas Parties confident that the new year will bring forth an abundance of gifts

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

A pig would be more competent than Johnson and more intelligent

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago

I read the NZ postcard.
It seems to read like a prison journal from a man who is very happy to be in prison.
As for his comments about the plane being worryingly full…

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

To me it read like a fake-grassroots review, something a PR firm would employ, with just enough “4-out-of-5-stars-could-do-better caveats to somehow make it more believable. Are all out-bound internet communications monitored in NZ?

Perhaps ask him to write another review and deliberately mis-spell “mask” if he’s being forced to write under duress.

Overall, it found it a very disturbing thing to read.

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

When I first visited NZ, circa 1970 the 6 o’clock swill was just ending, the pubs were shut on Sunday and there were no cars newer than 1960.

Last edited 5 years ago by Graham3
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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

I agree.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Florida was wasted on that bloke.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Wasn’t it just?

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stefarm
stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

It is like saying – prison was pretty bad but on the bright side at least the warders were helpful and smiled a bit.

All for a mild flu with a 99.95% survival rate (sorry I keep saying that, I need to just to convince myself that I’m not going mad).

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  stefarm

Yes it’s that old joke of the bloke who fell out the window at the 60th floor of a building. As he passed every floor you could hear him say “so far so good!”

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Not the version I heard.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

That was a joke in the film ‘The Magnficient Seven’, recited by Steve McQueen. In his version, the guy jumped out of the eighth floor. That was before skyscrapers.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

I assumed it was satire.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Yeah, I was going into it thinking that too.

My humour’s pretty dry but this was taking it to another level if it was satire.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

In isolation but you’re allowed to talk to your friends through a fence?
I know risks of outdoor transmission are low but they’re not zero are they?

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

I’ve seen people wear masks on the beach. They obviously think they aren’t zero. They are. Your body is also covered with bacteria and not a few viruses already. So is everyone’s. Don’t get me started on what’s inside your body.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

We are supposed to believe that in the space of a few months a vaccine for a novel coronavirus has been developed and tested and has been proved to be both safe and effective. In all the hysterical fear-mongering around the virus, the word unprecedented has been constantly used. But this is one occasion where the word can perfectly properly be used. The development of a safe and effective vaccine for a previously unknown viral infection in a matter of months is not only unprecedented, it is unbelievable.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

In a way I am glad we are the first recipients. This is the ultimate test for all of us. The stakes could not be higher. I have never felt more oppressed, yet simultaneously more alive, than in 2020.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well put, Richard. Every particle of life in me is on the go just now, fighting to survive and relishing every tiny victory.
Interesting times, indeed.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

It is exhilarating. Our choices now determine all our futures for a thousand years. And in the beyond, eternity.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

When I appear before my Maker and Judge I will face many charges, but enthusiastic collaboration with totalitarian evil will not be one of them.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Yes, we cannot help but fall prey to the wondrous temptations of this place. Anyone who claims they have not is lying. That’s the beauty and elegance of the test.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Well said. We can say that we had the guts to stand up and resist however small our efforts.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

We just said: This is wrong. Stop doing it.

History is on our side.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Agree. As the dissident Roy Medvedev titled his book exposing Soviet totalitarianism – “let history judge”

And history’s judgement of the players and collaborators of this crisis won’t be kind.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Yes all those notices ripped down! For which you should be fully rewarded!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Annie, you are a wonderful person. I am sure that the phrase “Thou good and faithful servant” will come to His mind.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

The Thousand Year Reich, W.E.F. style.

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s not even a vaccine in the way that I understand it – I thought a vaccine stopped you getting the illness, full stop. From what I’ve read, this one doesn’t do that, it just alleviates the symptoms.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

As with everything in this madness, they just pretend that words can mean whatever they want them to mean – and they constantly switch between what the words really mean and what they want to pretend.

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Exactly. They don’t even know whether or not it stops transmission. Also, it’s likely to be least effective with people with weaker immune system, exactly the people who might actually need it.

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Blueboy 47
Blueboy 47
5 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

Our masters are obviously following the advice of Humpty Dumpty!

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Frankly I don’t care as long as it stops the hysteria and the bloody ‘masks’. No doubt the sanctimonious middle class Left will continue wearing them indefinitely. At least it will be an outward indication of who to avoid!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

With the additional superlative bonus that those enthusiastic early-vaccine-adopters will provide the “canary test” for those of us who are sensibly more wary.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

given I haven’t been to a doctor in 25 years I guess it will be a bureaucratic nightmare to get registered again

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leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Well said. Many things are unprecedented this year, but the one thing that certainly isn’t is that humans catch viruses. It’s been going on for eons.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

So do animals, insects …

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

and plants!

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

Why isn’t Northern Ireland coloured in blue on that map in the first image?

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Maybe JOHNSON has forgotten to tell anyone that he has handed the six counties back to The Irish Republic?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

They filched it from an EU 2021 Calender.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Ulster has presumably returned to Ireland because science.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

There is a border on that map between Ulster and Ireland, must be under direct rule from Brussels.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes the line is still there, but it is weak. Johnson has sold out his Unionist/Loyalist allies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about them or anything else. A minor local conflict to be erased as we 6uild 6ack 6etter.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Would you rather see it coloured orange? Thank you and goodnight. I get my coat and call a taxi 😉

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Do you mean orrrnge?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

On ye of little faith

The chance to inject the gullible with gunk of dubious origin is a win win

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the lead article, is the ‘vaccine’ safe.

On the same day that Pfizers ‘vaccine’ was approved the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said in a briefing document on a government website that pregnant women or women planning to get pregnant should not take the ‘vaccine’ due to a lack of data to test its safety fro them.
Via Brietbart UK.

‘Vaccine’ “any preparation used to confer immunity to a disease by inoculation”
Chambers 20 Century Dictionary.

Pfizers ‘vaccine’ is said only to reduce the symptoms of those who become infected. If it was really a vaccine they would not get infected.
It is a Palliative at best, it will not reduce infectivity and Pfizer do not claim that it will.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

So the equivalent of a couple of frozen paracetamol then

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

or a lemsip lollypop

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Phew. Hopefully all woman aged 50ish and under will get a free ticket from this potential awful new vaccine passport. Would be pretty sexist to keep them all excluded from society.
This really might trigger the trans activists though who think that any man can just self identity into being a biological woman 😂

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Got it. I’m self-identifying as a pregnant woman.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

# Me too

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CapLlam
CapLlam
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

As someone who is currently pregnant, they can shove their vaccine where the sun don’t shine!

I’m not putting anything in my body that could harm my baby.

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GorbalsGirl
GorbalsGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yeah, as a childless woman in her late 30s who had aspirations of motherhood in the near future (before the world turned to shit and the future started looking like an Orwellian dystopia) – they can shove their fraudulently-termed “vaccine” where the sun don’t shine.

What sane person would ever think any woman is going to run the risk of lifelong infertility to avoid a bad bout of the common cold??

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

oooooh i suddenly feel broody – delayed onset of maternal instincts at 50 something years ….

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I wouldn’t have anything injected in my body that comes from America now I know what it feels like to be a chlorinated chicken

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

it is a prophylactic treatment, like anti-biotics given to farm animals

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

and look at the problems that’s caused!

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

Taking one for the team, I thank you. Let us know how it goes, in ten years time 😉

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago

Feel free to use and edit this segment I’ve prepared in response to any pro-Covid vaccine articles you come across over the next few days… These vaccines will NOT, I repeat NOT stop people from contracting Covid-19. Any sensible dissection of the protocols will tell you this, and any suggestion otherwise is fatuous nonsense. These vaccines have been rigged to succeed by lessening severe symptoms only. They are essentially a glorified Lemsip drink, likely to be administered by hordes of under-trained and under-resourced volunteers who have the potential to cause untold damage to the vaccinated. What’s more, there is absolutely NO medium to long term data available on the negative health effects of these experimental “RNA” vaccines which have never been given a mass rollout before, so it seems strange to test them on a disease that 99.95% of healthy under 70s will survive anyway. Dr Mike Yeadon and a leading German physician and epidemiologist have sought to halt the studies of these vaccines over fears that they could trigger catastrophic adverse reactions and potentially cause infertility in women. These vaccines are not needed given that the only people who will likely “benefit” from them are the comorbid elderly; many… Read more »

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Thanks for such a clear explanation and i will do some judicious cutting and pasting!

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

No problem. I should have clarified that the influenza mortality I quoted was global rather than just the UK, but I think people get the picture 🙂

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Thank you for that explanation. I understand one problem with the previous SARS vaccines occurred when the trial animals caught a different type of Coronavirus. When I say problem I mean serious problem as in 100% mortality rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMbRBTZhCY
Have the human trials even included this scenario – ie infection with a different type of Coronavirus?

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Isn’t that one of the things that the doctors who wrote the open letter to the MRHA (in LS round up last Thursday) were concerned about?

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

read the article/petition from Dr Yeadon. This seems to be one of the four major concerns of subsequently being infected with the ‘wild’ virus the response of the immune system

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Great explanation. I will be using this as a counter to people who think that the vaccine will be our salvation.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

The propaganda campaign is already in full spin. “Restrictions can be brought down more quickly if vaccine prevents asymptomatic transmission” says Jonathan Van-Tam; well this is just an egregious lie, the mass testing of 10 million people in China produced only 300 asymptomatic cases, none of whom went on to infect any of their contacts. The vaccine will also not confer any immunity from Covid-19 on the recipient, so the whole premise of what is being argued here is deeply flawed.

I’ve also seen that there’s plans for Boris Johnson to be “vaccinated” on live TV – even if you were to believe that he’s actually been given the proper stuff, surely this would show that antibodies don’t provide long term protection from the virus and would render these costly jabs totally useless?

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Tarfu
Tarfu
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

“These vaccines have been rigged to succeed by lessening severe symptoms only.”
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure I’ve read elsewhere that vaccines will only lessen mild symptoms.

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Bartleby
Bartleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I don’t have any specific disagreement with what you write here, but will make the following point. If the arrival of a vaccine is what it takes to ease the restrictions placed on normal human life, then so be it.

In some ways, it’s not important that it actually is a ‘salvation’. It’s important that the people who have closed down our lives think it is so that their excuse for doing so no longer exists.

I will caveat what I’ve said with a point about whether we’re compelled to take the vaccine and the likelihood of being forced to prove that in order to travel, partake in society, eat in a restaurant and so on.

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Neil Hartley
Neil Hartley
5 years ago
Reply to  Bartleby

Well said, my thoughts exactly.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago
Reply to  Bartleby

You make a very valid point, I think my scepticism comes from the fact that historically, governments are very slow to return freedoms once they’ve taken them (if they in fact actually seek to return them at all), and we are dealing with one of the most dishonest, ruthless governments in living memory here.

I also think that Johnson is completely in thrall to the WEF Great Reset agenda as evidenced by his Green New Deal, which is not unlike an Extinction Rebellion manifesto. I don’t think it’s impossible that some kind of lockdowns could be used in a near dystopian future to control CO2 emissions for example.

Put this this way – until this lot are completely swept out of office, I won’t be relaxing for one minute.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bartleby

Those who have closed down much of our life, have also killed many tens of thousands and they didn’t do so because there wasn’t a vaccine. We are even now, being primed up to accept that Covid style restrictions will exist long after the vaccination programs are as over, as they ever will be. Covid-19 may or may not exist as a real illness, but either way it is still a monumental and long planned scam. The scam is about control and depopulation, in line with UN Agenda 2030 and the WEF’s Great Reset. The vaccines might just be fairly innocuous at the outset and if so they will become increasingly malevolent as time goes by.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Beautifully written and very clear. I had the misfortune today at the gym to be on a cross trainer warming up and the two TVs right in my eye line were on GMB with the subtitles on. My God some bloke called Jonathan van twat or something was talking about how great this news is. The poncy presenter then started talking about anti Vaxers and conspiracy theories which he then shot down. They then switched to some blonde bint who was euphoric and ecstatic and orgasmic about this news. Not once did the phillip scrotum say, hey some people might be nervous about the speed of this vaccine. What about long term effects? Do these people think this is now the end and we will be maskless and snogging again?

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Do these people think this is now the end and we will be maskless and snogging again?

Sadly, they probably do and of course they won’t! Given how easy it has been to brainwash the majority of the population all along, why should this scam, which we knew would happen, be any different?

Scotty87’s post is brilliant – we’ve nicked it, thanks. MW

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Rosalind Werner
Rosalind Werner
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

SRW

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Rosalind Werner
Rosalind Werner
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Thanks for your excellent comment, Scott.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

All the muppets down my way are convinced that the Magic Snake Oil Jab will bring about an instant return to normal.
Oh my.
Will they revolt when they realise they’ve been conned?
Probably not.
And then?

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Sadly, they’ve now demonstrated repeatedly over a period of at least 9 months that they’ll believe any glimmer of hope that the government throws their way. Even in November, support for the lockdown was reported to be overwhelming, precisely because people had been led to believe that it would allow us all to have a “normal Christmas”.

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Opinion polls have always been untrustworthy I believe that they should be made illegal

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Good morning and welcome to Infertile Vaxxland, the new gameshow where idiotic compliance can seriously fuck up your future. And here’s your host….[insert bought and paid for demonic celebrity].

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I don’t think many are still worried about the covid, they are more concerned about continuing lockdown. Many will be trying to weigh up the possible danger of what they know is an untested ‘vaccine’ against being released from government restrictions.

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Tommy K
Tommy K
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Correct. The only way we can escape the bullying control freaks is for the government to save face. They will not release us unless they claim to have defeated the virus. The only way that can happen is for them to roll out mass vaccination before the virus fizzles out of its own accord.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Tommy K

Knock out all the refrigerators.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Imposing a vaccine on unwilling people is an integral part of the government’s restrictions.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

They might revolt, annie. Fingers crossed that they do.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

They should hav realized that they have been conned seven months ago.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Well they didn’t! So let’s work with what’s actually happened shall we?

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago

My wife, who is a secretary at a local hospita trust, told me on Tuesday that some room bookings she had made for w/c 7 December had been cancelled on their booking system, with the explanation that the rooms were required for Covid vaccinations. On Tuesday, I told her that this was unlikely, because no vaccines had yet been approved for use in the UK. You could have knocked me down with a feather when I heard the uplifting (and politically vital) news that the Pfizer vaccine had been given its emergency approval. How entirely unexpected! (It doesn’t diminish my belief that the whole nonsense is being stage managed, and this week’s extension to the restrictions is just a mechanism to “encourage” the public to use the vaccines that have now been ordered at such enormous expense.)

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

So the first result of the Great Snake Oil Drive is to deprive more sick people of treatment.
Surprise surprise.

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

In truth, this is the NHS that we’re talking about. I don’t sense that there was ever any danger of them allowing patients into those rooms!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Last minute Parliamentary vote on tier system, Mike Dolans Court case and approval of Pfizer vaccine all within 24 hours definitely smacks of news management.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I know for a fact that organisations were being sounded out about being vaccination host centres, ready to operate before Christmas, back in September. This is going to be an absolute disaster.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the roundup
Good news to read in the Mail that Piers Corbyn avoided getting fined following two arrests in May.
The Guardian puts it slightly differently ‘Piers Corbyn convicted. . . Corbyn, a weather forecaster and Climate Change denier. . .’

I know that Magistrates cannot set precedence but hopefully others will follow this example and bring such arrests into disrepute.

This is probably why we are now ‘allowed’ to gather outside for the purpose of protest.
Bozo might have remembered that in the 18th Century juries became increasingly unwilling to convict defendants who were clearly guilty if that would have meant the death penalty for stealing a loaf of bread. The law was subsequently changed so that capital punishment was reserved for the most serious crimes such as murder and treason.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Your last point, about eighteenth-century justice, is a good one. However, I don’t think juries at that time were composed of zombies.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Juries then were composed of the big knobs who could vote, they were aquiting street urchins and washerwomen, drove the State nuts until they conceded.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The death penalty was imposed if the stolen item was valued at a certain level or above it. Juries started arbitrarily ruling that stolen items were worth less than this level as a way of not making a death sentence compulsory (or perhaps it was the judge who did that). It mitigated the harshness of the code.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Juries were composed of men who were, for the reasons you give, sure of themselves and willing to defy guidance. A key benefit of the jury system was that it made the law in effect consistent with what the community considered to be justice.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The jurors used their common sense. The Law sees the Law in terms of black and white only – either a thing is legal, or it is not. There are, or should be, no grey areas as far as the Law is concerned.

This is why the jury system is so important.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Capital punishment for Treason. Send a copy of this law to PM BJ and everybody else.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

A great comment in response to the DT article. on snake oil jabs:

“Britain has a proud history of jeopardy game shows. 
In this case, I would like to see a member of the public, selected at random (or just me), go to the lab in Belgium. 
Then be filmed selecting a random box of vaccine (DONT DROP IT!!!) transporting it back to Television House and parading it onto stage…
Where we find the entire Cabinet, and immediate family, arrayed with sleeves rolled-up….
Nick Knowles then empties the contents of said box into the Lotto tombola, does the usual and a random member of the studio audience is invited on stage to administer the jabs. 
Regardless of medical training, or indeed any training. 
Think of the ratings!!!!”

Too right! I’ll be watching!

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I am waiting for their excuses not to even stage it. Since the vaccine needs storing at -80 degrees, I expect that will be good enough reason. Or they could go up the virtuous route if not wanting to deprive a vulnerable person of their vaccine🙄.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Yesterday we were told that the entire crate needs to be delivered to the vaccination destination and not opened and split. I can imagine this logistical issue being used as a reason why they can’t send just 2 to GMB for Piers Morgan and Matt Hancock. They’ll get out of their show vaccine easily enough.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
5 years ago

Dear Lockdown
‘No 10 Is Running A BRAINWASHING PR Campaign’ Says Ex WHO Professor #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYKXDnVBJA

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

What Toby and others have been saying for a while, hopefully those 5k views will bring a few more onside.

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rms
rms
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think Toby was referring to the number of people subscribed to the mailing list version of each daily post. My understanding is that views on the web site are considerably higher.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  rms

I was referring to the number of views of the video posted by Sir Patrick Vaccine which confirms what has been posted here about hospitals not being under pressure the way we are told.

Thanks to you all for your hard work and congratulations on the viewing numbers. When I first started reading it was something like 700 per edition which were not always daily.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Butterfly wings flapping in the Amazon can cause tsunami in Japan.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago

Yesterday I put a note on here about a live stream from Staten Island, NY showing the protest at Macs Public House.

The attached YT channel has four videos which lead up to that gathering:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MattoosEntertainment/videos

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

A heartfelt thanks to our team of moderators, who work tirelessly (and entirely for free) to keep the porn spammers out.

Do we really have to keep the porn out…? Can’t we at least have a porn section on the side, to cheer up our daily visit after being depressed by the latest insanities coming from Boris and co?

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I was not aware that there are moderators (shame on me for my innocence I guess). This is the finest place on the internet bar none, at one of the most critical turning points in human history rivalling any other in the last 6,000 years. If I needed porn, I would not be searching here.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

You do realise i was joking, right?

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I always take everything far too seriously. Except my physical health, which increasingly is irrelevant. If Covid-19 was a real thing, it would finish me off. But it isn’t, so it won’t.

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Julian S
Julian S
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

many a true word spoken in jest…

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Still waiting for Joe Cocker’s new adaptation titled “You can leave your mask on”.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6waXtxosJ4A

Joe Cocker delivering one of the best Beatles cover versions, and a reminder of freedom. Far superior to the insipid and pedestrian original sung by Ringo on Sergeant Pepper (and I am a solid Beatles fan).

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I bought the double album when it came out in 1969. Have it on a flashdrive to play in my car and never tire of it!

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

…to reveal their maskne, fungal infections and hacking coughs…

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

In the Book of Genesis it is pretty clear that a face covering was the mark of a harlot (NOT a sign of ‘modesty’). The story of Judah and Tamar hangs on that fact.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Maybe we should have this in leaflets and adverts. I don’t think people will like being implied that either they’re a) harlots or b) up to no good.

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Graham3
Graham3
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I got as far as Genesis 38:8 and gave up – no hope for me.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Graham3

🙂

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Oh my God! They’ve got noses! And mouths!!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Isn’t the fear porn enough for your insatiable appetites?

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago

Words never fail me, but today I have no words. Other than: this is clearly “The Hunger Games” and must be stopped immediately.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

The Hunger Games led to a revolution in the third book of the series.And not before time.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Whatever it takes, annie!

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago

What we do now know is that of the 41,135 participants in the study, 170 went on to catch COVID-19. Of these, 162 were in the control group given the placebo and just eight had been given the vaccine. (in Spectator article)

Is there anyone who understands these trials who can explain what that actually means? i understand the bit about the placebo group but having been given the vaccine/placebo, are the 41,000 then somehow given the virus or exposed to the virus to see what happens? And how is that done? If only 8 people out of the 41,000 ended up with Covid, i would have thought the efficacy was a lot higher than 95% or whatever number they are saying.

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

There also doesn’t appear to be any factoring in of T-cell immunity.

40,000 people stuffed a banana in their ear, and went on to not being trampled by elephants. Therefore we can conclude that the banana-in-the-ear method prevents elephant trampling. Let’s ignore the fact that there are no elephants wandering around the UK’s towns and cities.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

Even if elephants were wandering about, face masks would keep them away.
Wear the mask to beat the tusk.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

No, they’re not deliberately exposed to the virus, they just carry on as (new) normal and the study measures how many people get covid anyway. Allocation to the placebo or vaccine group is done at random, so any difference in incidence of covid between the two groups is taken to be due to the vaccine. If you were in the vaccine group then your chance of getting covid turned out to be 8/(41,135/2) = 0.03%, whereas if you were in the control group then your chance of getting covid turned out to be 162/(41,135/2) = 0.8%. Vaccine efficacy = (0.8-0.03)/0.8 = 96%.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Maybe I’m just skeptical about everything now but am I right to be skeptical about the numbers? I’d like to see whether they were testing just people with symptoms or everyone, whether it was a PCR test, what conditions these were performed under, how many cycles and whether they repeated them if the viral load was border line.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

i agree about the numbers, i would have wanted to see a lot more than this.

I expect the testing conditions for a trial like this are a lot more rigorous than the drive-in style testing that is clearly flawed.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

That’s great, thank you very much. So the vast majority, whether they had had the vaccine or the placebo still didn’t get Covid. What’s all the fuss about??!! I wish some journalist would put that to Hancock.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Exactly. It’s so difficult to get Covid in the wild these days that the trial numbers are statistically insignificant.
As you say, if that is the case what is all the fuss about?

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Remember, this is the German led Biotech/Pfizer.
I believe they tested in Brazil and probably Germany.

I guess when they develop other vaccines they do not put their test person into a room full of ill people for 2 weeks to see who “catches” it, but they are “in the wild”. But for a rushed “vaccine” I would have liked them to do it like this.
My simple mind just does not get it, how you can prove it works, if you do not know if the test person was even exposed.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Very good question. And its gets better: getting covid badly enough to require hospitalization is so rare that no clinical trial so far has recruited enough participants to even be able to tell if a vaccine prevents it:

Severe illness requiring hospital admission, which happens in only a small fraction of symptomatic covid-19 cases, would be unlikely to occur in significant numbers in trials. Data published by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in late April reported a symptomatic case hospitalisation ratio of 3.4% overall, varying from 1.7% in 0-49 year olds and 4.5% in 50-64 year olds to 7.4% in those 65 and over. Because most people with symptomatic covid-19 experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30 000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.

Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

What I think Hancock would have to say is that these trials are being carried out under conditions of social distancing, and that the numbers would be higher if they weren’t. I’m not sure to what extent that’s really true, though, as the study locations for the Pfizer trial were spread out all over the USA.

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djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

The test of antibodies after onset of symptoms have shown a dramatic effect on hospitalizations (75% reduction for Lilly). It’s a reasonable expectation that having pre-existing (vaccine-generated) antibodies would afford similar levels of protection.

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

This is what I don’t understand Maggie May and Matt. A while back, weren’t we told that you’d got to meet over 200 people before finding one with enough of a viral load to infect you? What are the chances of everyone in either group being exposed to the virus if they live in a rural area for example or in a densely populated community or if they have a job where they are working from home or are in a customer facing role? I suppose what I’m saying is that all the 41,000 have various “normals”. Is this taken into account in the trails?
I’m puzzled.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Lol, I’ve been in enclosed spaces with about 10,000 people since lockdown, not counting shopping.

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes K, I suppose what I’m really saying is that did everyone in the trials have an equal chance of being infected or not?
I also wonder whether they were tested for the virus, antibodies, T-cells or whatever, before they were vaccinated. Could many of them already have been immune?

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Error bars?

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Don’t ask me!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

But chances of getting covid are pretty slim anyway!
I only know two people who have officially had it – and one of them might “only” have had ordinary flu.

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Lili
Lili
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

I read a week or two ago that 40,000 people were involved in the trial, with half given the vaccine and half given the placebo, so this has only been tested on 20,000 people!

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stefarm
stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

How do we know the 170 caught covid? PCR test or is there another 100% accurate we know nothing about

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  stefarm

Just as interesting is the fact that 99.6% of the people involved didn’t get it at all! Even if you assume that every one of those given the vaccine didn’t get it because they’d been given the vaccine, it’s still only 0.8% that got it.

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DeepBlueYonder
DeepBlueYonder
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

The ONS Infection Survey gives an estimate of how many people are infected in a given week. For the week ending 21 November, it was 1 in 85 people in England (so 1.18 per cent of the community population). But in week ending 21 August, it was as low as 1 in 2,200 people in England (so 0.045 per cent of the community population).

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

……and how many of those had any symtoms?

…and how many of those who had symptoms died?

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Exactly, I was just about to pose the same questions. And how many required medical intervention or hospitalisation… In other words, how many were true cases?

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Skipper
Skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Isn’t there a problem with the number of COVID positives observed and that is that everywhere in the world is locked down in some way. So, getting infected doesn’t represent getting infected if these controls weren’t in place. It may be that only a very low proportion of the 20k given the Vaccine we’re socially active, whereas a much higher proportion of the 20k in the control group we’re socially active or maybe worked in a meat processing plant where infections have been high which could explain more infection in this group.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  Skipper

You have to assume that they conduct the trials in a way that prevents any skewing of the data like this. Which then means they know who has the vaccine and who has the placebo and i thought i read somewhere that that isn’t the case? Oh dear, it’s all very complicated but the journalists, even the TalkRadio people, who were so gung-ho yesterday and getting on my nerves as a result, aren’t asking any of these questions.

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Skipper
Skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

You’d like to hope so, but how much of this due diligence can you do in a couple of months.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

I would like to hope that the double blind aspect of the trial was well managed. I.e. neither the trial subjects nor the operators knew who had which vaccine. I’m sure they did that’s correctly. It’s the tiny numbers and the minuscule timescale that bothers me.
Sure, with 20,000 subjects receiving the vaccine we would know if there were extreme adverse reactions either immediately or shortly after but ONLY for the types of subject selected. Presumably none in the over 80 age group, none with other significant health issues? I don’t know, I haven’t read the study. Also we don’t know the long term effects of course

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Skipper

Lockdown have had no observable effect (on health at least, catastrophic otherwise of course).

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago

The Daily Record’s (a Glasgow-based tabloid) featured a post on its Facebook Page yesterday asking its readers how they felt about the vaccine. A scan through the comments revealed post after post stating pretty much the same two things: “Great news, without it lockdowns will never end.” Or: “Well, we don’t have a choice, it’s either get vaccinated or die of COVID-19.” Even cautiously sceptical comments about its safety were rounded upon with the replies reflecting the substance of the main 2 comments above. One or two sceptical comments reference thalidomide and these were met with scornful “eh, I think medical science has come a long way in the last 60 years”. So, it seems the fabled general public sees a binary decision in front of them, which has surely been the government and behavioural psychologists’ plan from the very start; accept whatever solution we put in front of you, or the lockdowns continue. And it appears that the vaccine is being viewed as the panacea, the only way to return to “normal”, a normal that still featured social distancing and masks, “just in case”. I wonder, though, given the published concerns about the safety of the vaccine, whether the… Read more »

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

“Well, we don’t have a choice, it’s either get vaccinated or die of COVID-19.”

The stupid! It burns!!

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

I am grateful that you have trawled the depths of the abyss to expose these errors to the light of scrutiny.

This level of simplistic reasoning is, quite frankly, an affront to all our ancestors who fought to build multiple civilisations. What use is the mathematical and aesthetic perfection of an Athenian temple – which we were able to achieve 3,000 years ago – when confronted with such asinine attitudes as this?

We comfort ourselves with the idea that we are always evolving and improving. In some respects we have, but 2020 has exposed that in many ways we are lesser than most of our predecessors.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

They are not “reasoning” – they are repeating received opinion. They believe holding such opinion proves their superiority. This is why they do not need evidence and reason: they “know” they are right.

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Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Agreed. Responses to even mildly sceptical comments always included a reference to the borderline sceptic’s education/intellect.

The superior intellect of the one going along with the BBC’s narrative is abundantly clear because they go along with the BBC’s narrative. The BBC had a guy from SAGE on. He wears glasses on the end of his nose and sits in a room cluttered with books. He said this thing that I now parrot on social media. I have been imbued with his intellect by mere osmosis.

Therefore, when I see someone express an opinion that’s the opposite of the BBC’s, who had hat guy from SAGE on, it’s clear that this person’s intellect is deficient. And I should point that out to them.

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Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

You are correct, I ascribed states of mind which cannot be reached to some of our fellow citizens.

Knowledge versus opinion has been a hot topic of philosophical debate for millennia.

Last edited 5 years ago by Richard O
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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Great post, thanks.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

My heart sinks

Sheeple simpletons are dragging the whole of humanity into the abyss. It’s not just the vaccines but a life tied to immunity passports, QR codes. Total control of our movement. No freedom. Constant State surveillance..

Is that a future these commentators want?

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AshesThanDust
AshesThanDust
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Sadly, yes, in many cases. They would rather turn every life decision over to “the experts”.

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Roadrash
Roadrash
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

What we don’t know is how active the 77th is in the comments sections of various news articles and social media. I suspect they have ramped up the anti vaccine attacks significantly in recent weeks. But I also believe that the majority of the population will just go with it anyway. The few people on sites like this who bother to do their own research ad look behind the MSM headlines are in the minority.

Here’s a snapshot of the anti vaccine bots active on Twitter. Multiply this by a large factor for all forms of media and it probably still doesn’t come close to the propaganda war being waged. What concerns me even more is both Labour and the Tories now pushing for further censorship of “misinformation” as they deem it which Johnson admitted in PMQs was in the pipeline. Who decides what constitutes “misinformation”?

https://twitter.com/BareReality/status/1330920102942957573?s=20

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark H

First a placebo that does nothing, Not effective enough. The second one will contain the real goods.

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
5 years ago

Can the Professor at UEA confirm or deny that the test he has such doubts about is the same one that his own university is offering to students so that they can return home for Christmas? If it is, it’s not very joined up thinking is it?

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Honestly the mass testing at universities is a joke. Many students in my class aren’t getting one, mainly because they are worried it will be positive and then they and their household will have to isolate and delay their departure. I won’t be getting one because I am living off campus at home this year but even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t touch a test with a bargepole.

As my bf says, the testing programme mainly exists ‘to keep someone in an office somewhere happy’. Which could describe the entire reason for lockdown too.

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Precisely. My daughter’s not having a test, the prospect of having to spend another 10 days isolating in the same room in which she has just spent the last 10 weeks watching online lectures, studying and sleeping, is really not doing it for her.

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Steph
Steph
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Give her many many hugs at Christmas. Also may I respectfully suggest she can do distance learning from home next term? Why would she put herself through a second term of imprisonment?

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
5 years ago
Reply to  Steph

This looks like an increasing possibility. University isn’t much of an experience for them at the moment.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

yes it certainly does not keep the self employed happy lol…its just an excuse for 2 weeks off fully paid.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Do we know what happens if a person tests positive and their family comes and gets them?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

Corona The Simple Truth in Under 6 Minutes 

http://newtube.app/user/PPS/teS5ujK

A very simple presentation, which would have probably been censored if it were on YouTube.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Newtube and Bitchute and others at least provide a site for free expression. Fuck youtube and all the commie faggot soy boys and fat blue haired ugly bitches that work there

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Skipper
Skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Problem we’ve got is that Governments are going to put in place fines for all these sites that have dissenting views on the vaccine. The won’t be financially able to run, and thus all the sites will have to be moderated, so discussions like on here where we argue against the the lockdowns and vaccines will be removed otherwise the sites like Newtube and Bitchute will go bump.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Skipper

Websites can be hosted overseas, Skip.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Decentralized servers.

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Ed Turnbull
Ed Turnbull
5 years ago
Reply to  Skipper

No, Bitchute and the other alt-media outlets will simply migrate to the darkweb. Heck, even this esteemed site may one day be forced to follow suit. Okay, it’ll mean we’re rubbing shoulders with paedos and drug dealers, but right now I’m find that thought preferable to sharing an online ecosystem with the millions of brainwashed / braindead sheeple I seen on normie social media.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

There is another new one. Rumble. Have not checked it yet.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Spreaker too.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Did you find out what ‘ Johnson ‘ means in The Big Lebowski?

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calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Excellent !

THis is a very good video for sending to the waverers.

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John Stone
John Stone
5 years ago

How to do post-marketing surveillance. My letter in BMJ on-line yesterday:

Covid vaccination: due diligence over adverse eventsRe: Vaccinating the UK against covid-19  Azeem Majeed, Mariam Molokhia. 371:doi  10.1136/bmj.m4654
Dear Editor
Raj Bhopal, Bayanne Olabi, Sunil Bhopal write in their enthusiasm [1]:
“Primary care will need to be ready to respond to coincidental adverse events associated in time (but not causally) with vaccination, as well as ensuring that patients return for a second booster vaccine dose.”
But I do not understand in advance how we can be assured that any events are coincidental. On the other hand, I hope we can be assured that all such events will be recorded, analysed and investigated with due care, and not just written off?
[1] Raj Bhopal, Bayanne Olabi, Sunil Bhopal, ‘ Vaccinating the UK against covid-19 and the role of primary care: some insights for practitioners and public health doctors from 10 phase II covid-19 vaccine trials’, 2 December 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4654/rr-0

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago

The interview with the nurse is devastating.

Our society is breaking down and we are losing our humanity. In its place will come cruelty and authoritarianism.

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TT
TT
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I’d replace “is breaking down” by “has broken down”, “we are losing” by “we have lost” and “will come” by “has come”.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

Sorry about this, but sometimes I can be annoying (ask my wife!) and so to repeat myself; The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020 Run from July 24 2020 to July 23 2021 with a 6 month review required which will be mid January 2021. I suspect that unless something is done this review will simply be a nod through and the mandatory wearing of face-masks will continue through to the end of July. So despite the vaccine and the fact that it will be summer time and it is a seasonal virus the wretched snot rags will continue. Can we/should we do anything to try and stop this review just going through on the nod? Possible actions might be; Set up a petition calling for the Face-mask regs to be rescinded, I know nothing about petitions and do not have a clue how you would go about doing this? Mass letter writing to MP,s? Campaign to encourage as many as possible to go exempt and thus make the whole thing look untenable? or any other suggestions? After this weeks Parliamentary antics I am not hugely hopeful but on the other hand… Read more »

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I feel that parliament are a bunch of sheep who are career chancers angling for a ministerial car. They don’t care about us or our freedoms. Besides, most of them are seriously thick where science is concerned. Give them an X and Y axis and their gonads shrivel.
Obviously there are exceptions but they are a minority. I suppose we could voice our support to the CRG MPs, cc our own lockdown MPs justice fill up their mailbox.
Suggestion 3 is good, organised mask exemption information campaigns. The only other thing is mass civil disobedience, just individually not complying.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Suggestion 3 !

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CGMH
CGMH
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Here’s an idea that might get rid of the mask mandate in shops etc. Critical mass shopping (Stay with me!). This is borrowed from an idea cyclists have used as a non violent protest to change car drivers behaviour in cities in the USA.Google critical mass cycling if interested in how it worked. The idea is to start local groups coordinated by social media of choice to do weekly food shops on a mutually convenient day. Anything from 6 people to maybe a few dozen. Let’s face it a lot of us have got time to fill! Some may want to enter a store masked up to avoid issues but all members take them off as soon as possible once inside. Note, no shouting or protesting. Just quiet browsing and shopping in pairs or individuals. The idea being not to emulate that video a while back where people without masks were shouting their heads off in a supermarket . A lot of people know masks are no good but just need others to lead by example. Members would smile and greet each in the store frequently to restore some semblance of normalcy, This way people will hopefully think “Well if its… Read more »

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago

Now, now, Mr NN,you know that it’s only going to be a little prick! ( Wankcock, that is).

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

The only good think if its makes him infertile we will never see his like again

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago

If we were meant to be wearing face nappies, we would have been born with em.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

You could say the same about clothes…

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

i was born with my boots on and i’ll die with them on

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I will not go down under the ground
’Cause somebody tells me that death’s comin’ ’round
An’ I will not carry myself down to die
When I go to my grave my head will be high
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I saw Steppenwolf at the Whisky A Go Go on Sunset Blvd around 1966. They were the warmup band for John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers with a young Mick Taylor.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

2 million years of human evolution and we don’t have natural face masks.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

We do; it’s called an immune system.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Actually we do.

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mr ben
mr ben
5 years ago

“– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.”

I’ve never gone for the mass sterilisation conspiracy theory (it just sounded nuts), so this is rather alarming!!

Last edited 5 years ago by mr ben
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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

But Bill Gates has expressed an interest in population control to limit consumption and carbon output.. and Agenda 2030 (WEF UN Great Reset) has similar goals..

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I’ve never entertained a single conspiracy theory prior to this nonsense – in fairness, with twin 5 year old boys, I haven’t had the time or energy to entertain much else other than work, eat, sleep (yeah right), repeat. But I recall being sent the theory about the World Economic Forum back in April, giving it a glance and dismissing it as nonsense (specifically thinking, “As if our country would go along with that claptrap?”) Then, beginning of October, my relatively logical brain could no longer handle the data being fed by MSM, and I was pointed in the direction of LS, finally a refuge for sanity and common sense. Once I’d read back and seen the input of Yeadon, Heneghan etc, and how they were being ignored by officialdom, my spidey senses started twitching beyond control. I can’t exactly recall where I saw a link to The Mirror Project, but having the benefit of watching their videos in hindsight, the fog started clearing – actions taken were starting to make sense. I couldn’t be less trusting nor more sceptical than at present. I would not be surprised in the least if the coronavirus has specifically been used because of… Read more »

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2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

“result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.”

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/

Last edited 5 years ago by 2 pence
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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

Dumbfounded!

I’ve just read it. My eyes popped out of my head. All the Bill Gates sterilisation conspiracy noise that’s been buzzing around on the Internet for months suddenly has flashing lights around it

Am I dreaming this?

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

The “wanted” side effect of sterilizing women through this vaccine does not make sense, as it is mainly the rich, educated Western people asking for the vaccine.
Bill Gates et al want to reduce birth rates amongst the poor on the Asian and African continents. Birth rates in Europe are down, and we do not like immigration of the poor to Europe and USA. Which we need to support our economy.

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Stuart
Stuart
5 years ago

One has to hand it to Johnners:

– wrecking the economy and society with lockdowns for a bad case of flu.

– poisoning the population with experimental vaccines of unknown composition the deleterious effects of which might not be known for many years.

– and the Brexit crashout still to come, with further economic wreckage and the country turned into a non-agreement capable isolated basket case.

A real card.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

After the last year do you think we are going to notice any effects of Brexit.The economy is finished,the Government will be paying its bills with the Bank of England’s credit card for years.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Yes its all old hat now that Brexit stuff and I voted leave.

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