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by Will Jones
6 December 2020 1:41 AM

NHS Pressuring People to Sign “Do Not Attempt to Resuscitate” Orders

Lucy, 93, had a surprise visit from a frailty nursing practitioner with an unwelcome follow-up in the post

In a further sign of how “protect the NHS” gets things precisely backwards (the NHS is supposed to protect us) and puts the vested interests of the organisation ahead of the medical needs of the public, NHS medical staff have been caught pressuring older people to sign “Do Not Attempt to Resuscitate” orders and even imposing them without consent. The Mail has the details, telling the story of 93 year-old Lucy.

All in all, Lucy enjoys a good quality of life and apart from some age-related ailments she had been rated as ‘three’ on the NHS Clinical Frailty Scale (one is ‘very fit’ and nine is ‘terminally ill’).

Despite all this, the morning after the nurse’s unannounced visit to conduct a ‘frailty review’, an envelope was delivered to Lucy’s flat containing an A4-size notice with a stark red border.

Designed to be displayed in her home, it was a “Do Not Attempt To Resuscitate Order” — known as a DNAR or DNR — and it stated that Lucy should not be resuscitated by doctors, nurses, or emergency paramedics if her heart stopped. It was signed by the frailty nursing practitioner.

“I was shocked the NHS won’t save me. If I collapse, they are refusing to put me together again,” Lucy told the Mail.

Lucy is one of millions of people who have been caught up in a new – and, no doubt, well-intentioned – NHS initiative to help those over 65 live at home and not burden hospitals. 

As part of this, individuals are encouraged to make early decisions about ‘advanced care’ and sign a DNAR.

However, concern is growing about the pressure put on older people to accept DNARs. An urgent review has condemned their “blanket use” in care homes at the peak of the COVID-19 crisis earlier this year.

Health watchdog the Care Quality Commission says many were put on medical records without the consent of the person concerned and their families.

Lucy Jeal’s horrified family say Lucy never agreed to the DNAR order, which was also sent to her GP. The family now want the order removed from her medical records.

Lucy’s experience struck a chord with readers up and down the country, and we have received hundreds of letters and emails from people sharing their distress at receiving, or seeing their loved ones receive, DNARs without discussion or their permission.

Read Lucy’s story and many more here.

“Queues of Patients Nursed on Trolleys in Corridors – The NHS Was Overwhelmed”

The 2017-18 winter crisis in the NHS, back when it was expected to cope without imprisoning the population and shuttering the economy

An NHS frontline nurse of some 17 years clinical experience has got in touch with some observations about how ludicrous it is to be locking down to “protect the NHS” when the NHS is often in crisis during the winter.

The NHS’s “most serious winter crisis for many years”. A “lack of staff and beds”. 75% of acute medicine doctors say their “hospitals are not properly prepared”. An “inability to cope with the number of patients arriving”. The NHS “not well-equipped to deal with it”. Over 64,000 all-cause deaths in January alone.

Are these predictions for this winter?

No. It is what happened three years ago in the winter of 2017-18. There were more than 50,000 excess winter deaths in England and Wales during that period – the highest recorded excess winter deaths since the winter of 1975-76.

Was there a daily death toll on the BBC news? Do you even remember hearing it in the news?

I remember it actually as I was working in the NHS throughout. Influenza was rife, hospitals were full, ambulances frequently diverted, queues of patients nursed on hospital trolleys in corridors, bed managers scoured the wards for potential discharges. The NHS was overwhelmed.

But I didn’t hear anyone calling for lockdown back then.

This year, on the other hand, critical care bed occupancy was below average as it peaked in mid-November, as these graphs from the Spectator‘s excellent data tracker show.

The problem, of course, is that the political leaders who should have been providing this kind of perspective instead joined in the panic. We have also been severely let down by our public health advisers and scientists.

It’s The Covid Panto, But The Children Aren’t Laughing

The coronavirus crisis increasingly seems to resemble a pantomime, with the ludicrous actors playing their parts and delivering their lines, and pretending not to hear when the audience spots the off-message data poking out of the cupboard at their rear and shouts “it’s behind you!” That’s certainly the feeling Sinead Murphy, a philosophy lecturer at Newcastle University and Lockdown Sceptics contributor, has been getting. Today we’re publishing a new article from her setting out the challenges she has faced navigating lockdown with her autistic son, Joseph, and her epiphany that reasoning with people doesn’t work when they are just playing their parts and delivering their lines.

As I stood across from the acting Head in the vestibule of his school – looking, with his visor, like a poorly-costumed afterthought in the school play – it occurred to me how degraded we have become. That one who ought to be a leader in the community – the Head of a primary school of 630 children – should openly admit that the rationality or otherwise of his decisions on behalf of the children in his school was irrelevant when confronted with recently invented and constantly changing guidelines from the state. That the welfare of all the children – not to mention Joseph, with his additional challenges – was not even to be considered, let alone fought for.

What struck me too was the difference in our demeanour. Notwithstanding his ludicrous visor, his comportment was one of (slightly ruffled) calm; he listened and said little. My comportment, by contrast, was one of heated conviction. And yet, it was he who was selling lunacy that defies all facts, and I who was arguing for reason based on evidence. These are times when lunacy is so deeply institutionalised that it can appear calm, and reason so embattled that it has to act crazy.

When I repeated my question to the acting Head, asking him to respond to the negligible risk to children and the zero cases of child-to-teacher transmission, his response was “I am not a scientist”. Well, I am not a scientist either. But Mike Yeadon is. And Sunetra Gupta is. And John Lee is. And Carl Heneghan is. And those who generate statistics at the ONS and the WHO are. Not only this, these scientists produce comprehensible sentences, which can be read and understood. What is the good of being able to read and understand them if their contents are deemed not for me because I am not a scientist? What a truncation, of the Head of a school, that he cannot form a judgement on the basis of reading analyses written for non-experts by experts, but can only play the role assigned to him by the policy. An acting Head reduced to reading from the script.

And that is when the light dawned on my darkest hour.

Well worth reading in full.

Support Sinead Quinn

Sinead Quinn is the brave hairdresser from Quinn Blakey Hairdressing in Oakenshaw near Bradford who has been fined £27,000 by Kirklees council for refusing to close during the lockdown and quoting the Magna Carta whenever the martinet officials appear outside her salon. She has now started a crowdfunding page to help pay the fines if her legal challenge fails – though if she wins, as she expects, the money will go to her brother who is fighting cancer.

I’m confident in the fact we will win this fight, so in that case the money will go to my amazing brother who is fighting against stage four bowel cancer. He was diagnosed in August 2020 and he’s 36 year old with a wife and two children. He is an amazing soul and he gives me the confidence to fight every single day. He is my best friend and I wouldn’t be able to do this without him.

Here’s to 2021 – my brother cancer-free and standing up for our rights and taking our freedoms back. 

A deserving cause – do give as you are able and spread the word by sharing the crowdfunder.

Vaccination Must Not be Compulsory – Tell Your MP

Following our appeal yesterday to readers to write to their MP to call for no restrictions on those who refuse to have a Covid vaccination ahead of the Parliamentary debate on December 14th, a reader has sent us a copy of the letter he sent to his MP, Anthony Browne. It’s a good letter, and we’re publishing it below in case it inspires others to write similarly.

I voted for you at the last election.

I am writing in connection with the upcoming debate on coronavirus vaccines. I wish to stress that I am not anti-vax, but like many I do have reservations about the vaccine and any thoughts the government might have about making it compulsory or imposing restrictions upon those that refuse to take it.

We live in a free society (or used to anyway) and the very thought that a vaccine might be compulsory makes my blood boil. The government’s handling of this pandemic has been utterly shambolic – we have ended up in the worst of all worlds by having a high death rate and a shattered economy and all for a virus that has an infection fatality rate of under 0.5% (and it may be significantly lower than that).

I’ve never bought into the argument that it was a good idea to quarantine the healthy in order to suppress the virus, and nor do I buy into the argument that we should now vaccinate everyone who is healthy to achieve the same goal. Trying to suppress the virus is like trying to put the genie back in the bottle. We should be shielding the vulnerable and allowing the virus to circulate amongst the healthy, lower risk, population – that is the way we have conquered respiratory viruses in the past and vaccines should be available to the vulnerable and those that want them (and should never be mandatory).

I lived through the Hong Kong flu pandemic in the late 1960s – one in which this country lost c80,000 lives. More than in the current crisis and at a time when the U.K. population was c55m. We did not destroy our economy because of that pandemic and public debt fell during the period in contrast to the mind boggling mountain of debt that has been incurred on your watch.

Do not go down the route of making the vaccine mandatory or imposing restrictions on those that prefer not to take it. If you do, then I for one will certainly never put a cross against your name again.

The link to the Write To Them site, which makes it easier to write to your MP, is here.

Round-up

  • “Do not implement COVID-19 Freedom Passes” – Petition on the Parliament website calling on the Government not to proceed with any plans for “Freedom Passes” (requiring weekly tests to stay free)
  • “What does the different Covid data tell us?” – Ross Clark in the Spectator looks at the different Covid surveys (ICL, KCL, ONS and PHE) and finds, reassuringly, they mostly speak in unison
  • “It is time to call out the Scottish Government’s Voodoo Data” – Linda Holt in Think Scotland tries to bring some perspective north of the border
  • “Public Order Under City of Los Angeles Emergency Authority” – Lockdown LA, no leaving home (with a few exceptions)
  • “US Panic Paper surfaced” – 2020 News reports on a disturbing guide written in 2010 by Glen Nowak for the US CDC and National Immunisation Program on how to create public panic to encourage people to get vaccinated against flu
  • “Dr Malcolm Kendrick: First Hand Experience – the Lowdown on Lockdown!” – Listen to Ivor Cummins talking to lockdown legend Dr Malcolm Kendrick
  • “Like Brexit and Scottish independence, lockdown has turned into a culture war” – Daniel Hannan in the Telegraph says once everyone in high risk categories have been offered vaccination all restrictions should end entirely and immediately
  • “North Korea publicly executes a citizen by firing squad for breaking Covid restriction rules” – Kim Jong-Un reminding us he’s still the craziest dictator in an increasingly crowded field. In the Mail
  • “Switzerland in the Corona winter” – New article from the Swiss doctor giving an update on lockdown-free Switzerland, putting its autumn surge and 2020 deaths in context
  • “I’m a freedom-loving Conservative… I can’t wait to get us back to living by personal responsibility” – Matt Hancock making more implausible claims in the Telegraph, though perhaps giving small reason for hope
  • “If the backlash builds, head and provost could fall from grace together” – Some insight into the Eton mess by former head of English at the college Joseph Francis writing in the Telegraph

Hey @BorisJohnson let us out please ! Thanks 😊 https://t.co/GHUGcFOTDe

— Gary Neville (@GNev2) December 4, 2020

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Two today: “Helplessly hoping” by Crosby, Stills & Nash and “Down Down” by Status Quo.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

Social Media Accounts

You can follow Lockdown Sceptics on our social media accounts which are updated throughout the day. To follow us on Facebook, click here; to follow us on Twitter, click here; to follow us on Instagram, click here; to follow us on Parler, click here; and to follow us on MeWe, click here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the news that Millwall fans celebrated being back in the stands by taking the first opportunity given them to show how they felt about their players taking the knee in support of BLM. They booed. The Mail has the story.

Millwall supporters booed their own players while they took the knee in support of the fight against racism at The Den this afternoon.

The scenes have prompted reactions from pundits and former players including Trevor Sinclair, Gregg Halford and Gary Lineker, who told his Twitter followers the Millwall fans not booing were in the “minority”.

The day marked the first time that fans were able to attend a game in person since lockdown began in March.

As 2,000 supporters were permitted to attend the Millwall versus Derby County game, it also marked the first time fans have been present since footballers started to take the knee before games.

The gesture has been carried out by players and staff across the country originally in support of Black Lives Matter, before the Premier League distanced itself from the movement.

Not all teams continue to take the knee before games, with Queens Park Rangers’ director of football Les Ferdinand saying the impact of the stance had been “diluted”. 

As their match against Derby County was about to begin, video footage taken from the ground shows that there were a large number of aggressive boos from the stands as the players knelt down.

Millwall boss Gary Rowett said he was “disappointed” by the fans’ behaviour, while opposition manager Wayne Rooney said it was “surprising”.

In response, the FA said in a statement: “The FA supports all players and staff that wish to take a stand against discrimination in a respectful manner, which includes taking of the knee, and strongly condemns the behaviours of any spectators that actively voice their opposition to such activities.”

The scenes sparked shockwaves through the game, and have divided social media users.

Some players, pundits and fans have condemned the fans’ actions while others say the gesture is no longer appropriate.

Stop Press: Not to be outdone, it’s been reported that the Vicar of Dibley will take the knee for BLM in her Christmas sermon.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.

Stop Press: The US CDC has stepped up its mask guidance and now advises “universal use of face masks” which it claims is supported by “compelling evidence”.

Universal use of face masks. Consistent and correct use of face masks is a public health strategy critical to reducing respiratory transmission of SARS-CoV-2, particularly in light of estimates that approximately one half of new infections are transmitted by persons who have no symptoms. Compelling evidence now supports the benefits of cloth face masks for both source control (to protect others) and, to a lesser extent, protection of the wearer. To preserve the supply of N95 respirators for health care workers and other medical first responders, CDC recommends nonvalved, multilayer cloth masks or nonmedical disposable masks for community use. Face mask use is most important in indoor spaces and outdoors when physical distance of ≥6 feet cannot be maintained. Within households, face masks should be used when a member of the household is infected or has had recent potential COVID-19 exposure (e.g. known close contact or potential exposure related to occupation, crowded public settings, travel, or non-household members in your house). 

Hard to believe these are supposed to be the authoritative experts given how much in that paragraph is inaccurate or misleading. Have they not noticed, for instance, that mask mandates appear to have done nothing to avert autumn surges in France, Italy, California, etc.?

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels (attributed)

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

H.L. Mencken

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And Finally…

The Ulster Fry has done a brilliant mock Christmas album ad. Not to be missed.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

In before Judy Watson. 😉

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sam
sam
5 years ago
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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/merry-covid-xmas/
a covid xmas

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Bailie
Bailie
5 years ago

And me

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Bailie
Bailie
5 years ago

Wouldn’t it be great to get a truth drug into Boris and co,s, then sit back and listen.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
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Morning all (or night, going to bed shortly – in theory)
I’m jumping the gun again!
Apparently politicians are expert at telling “the truth” – not telling a direct and verifiable lie, but skillfully picking out those non-lies that fit their agenda. So yes, it would be interesting to sit back and listen. I most admire those politicians who don’t try and evade the question so that, like ’em or loath ’em, at least you’re getting an honest answer. Maybe they’ll use that drug at Nuremberg mark II.

Just seen the headline about dnr orders. That’s jolly well diabolical!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
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You are now paying for Murderers Inc.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
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Their brains don’t encompass the concept of truth.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
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They see ‘others’ only in terms of mental judgements that operate as ‘reality’!

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
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We will have a long wait I would like to see what it would do to the likes of Blair or the Clinton’s

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
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Whereas with Jesus you can simply ask…

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
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Do you think he is anywhere near to the insiders who set outer narratives ofr the outer rings that set outer narratives for the outer rings?
One way or another he is bought and has sold out to an offer he cant refuse.
In my view he has been long groomed for the job. Who would expect such a buffoonery to deliver such a sinister systemic mind trap?

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Good morning to you. And how are things on the other side?
(You’re North American right?)

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Stephanos
Stephanos
5 years ago
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Actually, Judy lives in Thailand and is a British ex-pat,

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

The thing is, the customer is always right. Lucy pays for this service. Shr should be the one in charge of this process, her family should be kept informed unless she directs otherwise. “Do no harm” – if someone’s heart stops and you do not attempt to resuscitate them, what is that? And for whom is it done? Reminds me of the coastguard who was reprimanded for going up a cliff to save a girl and later reprimanded for breaking safety rules (and later quit). Who makes these rules? What checks and balances are there? And what happened in our care homes earlier this year was evil.

I think of the Pole in a coma since the 1980]s who woke up many years later and was kept alive by his wife (wasn’t he surprised that the USSR was gone!). The people who’d have just “let him die” or not resuscitated him – ugh!

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
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So once and for all: asymptomatic transmission; presymptomatic transmission – what difference, and how many people actually die?

And if the answer is a negligible number, is this whole omnishambles a sham? Cui bono indeed!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
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Cui bono indeed!

Bill Gates and all those he bribes. There’s an awful lot to go at there.

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Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
5 years ago

Much as I despise the lockdown, I deem public defiance of it having finally gained a head of steam.
It is time for this website to be renamed as ‘vaccine sceptics’ and to redirect its focus on what will be THE pressing issue for 2021.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
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Not sure I can agree. We are still in lockdowns and still more are threatened so this battle is far from over. ‘Vaccine sceptics’ isn’t necessarily the right banner, the concern is freedom of choice without coercion or threat to liberty which does encompass scepticism of this vaccine but not necessarily the concept of vaccines. Also a website called ‘Vaccine Sceptics’ probably wouldn’t get past the censors.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
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As Doctor Vernon Coleman discovered, every video he posted that included the word vaccine in the title or content got deleted by YouTube, he had to resort to saying ‘stuff’ as a code word.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That’s an irony that would be lost on many people, I think. As Eleanor Roosevelt said: Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people It’s my honest belief that the readers of LS are effectively outing themselves as the first category. In many cases, they don’t even know they are in that category. Their jobs and status in society might not give any indication of it. Because society is very much run by the second and third categories. These people are actually blind to ideas, and the things that the people in the first category understand. Ideas people aren’t always huge successes in life because the people in charge simply don’t notice them. Ideas people cannot understand how the people who occupy the top positions in society, often with educational qualifications to match, cannot understand what they are saying about the C19 disaster. And so the second rate minds at Google or wherever think that if they censor words (a.k.a. reporting of ‘facts’ or ‘events’ or gossip about people), they are doing the job of suppressing ‘misinformation’ about vaccines or whatever else they think should be suppressed. They probably really think that if a Youtuber substitutes… Read more »

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

What do government ministers and back benchers discuss?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Parliamentary pay rises and perks

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I prefer to leave out the ‘personal greatness’ judgement and simply see that one can stop short as reaction within masking personae; look past that – in recognition of events as contexts or conditions in which such personal patterns of reaction are triggered or set into motion, and beneath all symptoms to the underlying structure of beliefs, narrative definitions and ideas that are actively given investment of identity, allegiance and support.

The invested idea of vaccination is of the same archetype as sacrifice to gods or limiting, mitigating or escaping, feared outcome or consequences by pre-empting in part or onto scapegoats or surrogates.

There are endless examples of this attitude that effectively mean we do unto ourself some part of what we fear, expect or believe Other does to us.

It also operates as doing the very thing we accuse in the Other – while claiming self-exceptional moral justification or necessity.

That the ‘power in the world’ is investing unlimited resources to reset the mind and install a new operating system suggests to me that idea is being used as weapon, leverage and control. In other words a masking manipulation over the truly Current.

post continues on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/12/doing-very-thing-we-accuse-in-other.html

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes, but they still kicked him off Youtube.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

He migrated to the STILL free videoland

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/oIqNJgc4Q7Ry/

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

And he can be seen on “Brand New Tube” where he gets star billing.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

No, his channel is still there. He pops back now and again with short highly circumspect clips reminding us where to find him

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Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

We do need an alternative to youtube twitter facebook etc

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

They already exist.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Well said. The issue with lockdowns and vaccines is with regards to our freedoms and that’s what we’re fighting for.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The huge level of compliance with lockdown and anti-social distancing encouraged them to bring the vaccine forward before that habit of compliance began to collapse.

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Sodastream
Sodastream
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Good point

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

What censors?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I don’t even know what “censors” means?!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Better as we are.
Like many here, I suspect, I’m not against vaccines in general. I’m against THIS vaccine.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I am not even against THIS vaccine. I am just against it being seen as some kind of requirement for participating in society.

Vaccination should be a choice, based on individual risk of both the disease concerned and the vaccine for it.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

Why anyone would choose to be injected with these barely tested and unnecessary vaccines is worrying. I am certainly wary of the vaccine itself, as it clearly has had no medium or long term trials. The lack of proper trials should be enough reason just by itself to steer well clear of these potentially harmful and highly experimental concoctions. It isn’t going to stop at one shot and it seems very likely that they are planning vaccination twice yearly, every year, perhaps until the last man or woman is still standing.

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Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

My view on the vaccine is that even with immunity from prosecution no major company would risk the amount of reputational damage that could result from large numbers of serious side effects no matter how much money they could make in the short term. Therefore they are pretty certain that it’s safe, although nothing in life is absolutely 100% safe. If I was in a high risk group I’d have it. However as I’m in a very low risk group I won’t be having it when eventually offered as I think to do so would mean that I agree with the government’s narrative that Covid is an order of magnitude worse than seasonal flu and lockdown etc. has been justified. Regardless of what I think the most important thing is that there is no compulsion, or penalties for not having it, and people know that they have a choice. Next time I hear a news reporter talk about people refusing to have the vaccine I’m going to make a complaint. I think that use of the word refuse implies an order, or that there is no choice, whereas the correct term would be choose not to be vaccinated as this… Read more »

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Matt Dalby

I like the way you think

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Please don’t leave us, NN. There are legitimate concerns about this vaccine, and it is utterly bound up with the rest of the tyranny, because we are now being told that the magic jab won’t delivers us from muzzles, isolation, or any of the other curreent miseries.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I reminded a vaccine fan yesterday that Wan Tan has said taking the vaccine won’t stop lockdown for years.
They looked terribly disappointed.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

I’ve had vaccines in the past.What I won’t be taking is a rushed one for a virus that is not that dangerous.
It’s not a distraction, the vaccine is the key to the whole new world of totalitarianism.It will lead to the health passport and the end of freedom.The current restrictions are temporary.This will make them permanent.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I agree, there are new facets to this vaccination programme surfacing all the time so we have to try to keep one step ahead and look at the whole picture. For example there is now the worrying issue of how the data on our vaccination status is being stored and shared.
Now we have seen proof of the compliance possible in society, private firms and influential people will jump on the bandwagon and fuel the invention of bio technology to market at general public.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

that is excatly why i didn’t trust this vaccine thing from the beginning is gates hes behind ‘ golden rice ‘ GM, GMO ‘ food’ which i won’t touch now that i know about it . and we got called anti science all the time

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Lyndsay
Lyndsay
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Maybe, but there are issues with this vaccine even for those who are very much pro-vaccine ordinarily. At the very least imo we should have freedom to choose or not. From a more utilitarian pov (the one keen pro-vaxxers like to use), there could be implications eg fact we do not know yet if it reduces transmission could tthe sensitizing issue make things worse beyond the individual concerned?

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Really?

For me there is a world of difference between good, honourable people coming up with a weapon to battle a scourge of society (smallpox, say), and a political stunt such as the Covid vaccine.

As today’s article about the ‘Covid pantomime’ implies, the people pushing the vaccine are just as much unthinking ‘pro-vaxxers’ as the ‘anti-vaxxers’ you despise. And this should worry you.

On the other hand, the more people who take it, the bigger the resistance to future lockdowns is likely to be, even among the bovine masses.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

This is nothing to do with a vaccine. Vaccines were meant to protect you from a deadly disease and prevent the spread of it. Covid-19 is not a deadly disease. It kills less than 1% and at an average age of 82. The vaccine doesn’t mean the end of muzzles, the end of isolation if you’ve been in contact and doesn’t stop you actually getting Cvid-19 (ie flu) We had a worse flu 2 years ago. No restrictions at all. This is the aim all along. Mandatory vaccination and for what? None, whatsoever. Giving a vaccine to the elderly is pointless as their immune systems are too weak. Once this bill is passed we might as well wear armbands and ring a bell and shout ‘Unclean’. We won’t be allowed in shops and may even be refused deliveries. What next? Baskets of donated food we have to haul up from windows? In future, they will be able to target specific groups with specific vaccines and this IS the intent. Control. Vaccination is now nothing to do with healthcare and just about profits and control. Welcome to North Korea or China. If this passes we will have bricks through our windows… Read more »

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JustMe
JustMe
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

I think we need to be careful of the words we see and hear and of those words we use, because the powers that be have been busy changing the meanings of some words.
For eaxample, 12 months ago a ‘case’ was a person who displayed symptoms and needed treatment. Not any more. A ‘pandemic’ was a dangerous disease. Not any more. And 12 months ago a vaccine was an injection of a tiny amount of a live virus intented to trigger antibodies in the immune system. Not any more, with the four front runners being suppressants, which have more in common with cough medicine than a traditional vaccine.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

The Covid-19 “pandemic” since day one, has been all about pumping vaccines into our bodies as soon as was practically possible. The lockdowns and all the other half-arsed restrictions are simply there as a way to piss people off and have them clamouring for the “new normality” bringing vaccines. Those that can’t or won’t see that liability free and hardly tested Covid vaccines are an essential part of the new totalitarianism seem to have been wasting their time for the past ten months and more importantly they are wasting ours as well.

Scepticism in regard to the plethora of highly experimental mRNA vaccines, about to be unleashed upon an unsuspecting public, is not only sensible, it should be obligatory for right thinking people.

You seem to be using the “fact checkers” ploy of dismissing vaccine scepticism as something that is beyond the pale and can be waved away like a bad smell. This is both arrogant and smacks of controlled opposition tactically. If you feel you have to go elsewhere, then just go.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

i was too mild ,i agree rowan, thank you for writing this .i think your own immune system is the best defense rather than vaccines ive never had a flu vaccine and i never will and the idea of enforced vaccines is horrifying to me. will have to read 1984 now !

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Maybe he’s a Change Agent.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

i hope you will not leave too , i think i am a vaccine sceptic in general actually , but especially this one because i read it is RNA ,DNA altering or something unlike im supposing the small pox and polio vaccines i had as a child . i do believe our own immune system is the best defense and a healthy immune system needs a healthy diet exercise fresh air sunlight , getting colds to strenthen your immune system and seeing our friends and family which we are being denied by this takeover of our freedom .so glad for lockdown scpetics and everyone here the articles the comments and a t the lockdown protests

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  sam

Our own organism has assimilated “viral” RNA since animals with DNA exist on this Planet!

When needed the organism translates “viral” endogenous RNA (making this simple!) into “viral” proteins to stimulate its Immune System.

Supplying your own organism with the TOOLS it needs to FUNCTION properly is the ONLY way to live. Clearly the vast majority hasn’t got a clue!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

On the part of distraction… I agree with you.
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The Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires have all this WELL PREPARED and TRAINED…

They are probably even feeling a little bit of surprise in relation to the ABSOLUTE SUCCESS that OPERATION COVID achieved, since Their last attempts to use “pandemics” to RESHAPE Their Civilization FAILED MISERABLY!

So on that part, indeed we are distracting ourselves since the start of the Year 2020.

And has I’ve been saying:

At this point reality is very SIMPLE: It’s either KILL or be culled.

Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

“I am a lockdown sceptic, but I am not a vaccine sceptic. “

Same here, if by “vaccine sceptic” you mean either of two positions: first, a general opposition to vaccines per se, or second, a belief that this vaccine is something more intentionally harmful than an insufficiently tested medication. I am a vaccine sceptic in the sense that I regard vaccination as a medical treatment like any other – to be justified or not on a case by case basis, with a general presumption against medication unless the case is made.

That said, I have no problem personally with sharing the comment section here with lots of people who believe either of those first two positions.

Above the line , I don’t think you need have any cause for concern. Fundamentally this is Toby Young’s blog, and I think his positions are pretty conventional on these issues, outside obviously of the basic lockdown scepticism that the site is titled for.

As for stay or go you must clearly make your own choice, as we all do. The site either suits you or it doesn’t.

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

As a separate point, I don’t see resistance to this vaccine as at all incompatible with lockdown scepticism. Leaving aside the fact that the vaccine has been rushed through without the usual precautions base on a spurious supposed emergency, the reality is that this vaccine will be used to justify lockdown retroactively. They will claim that “the lockdowns saved us until the vaccines came along”. That was always their promise and the counter argument to the basic point that locking down only postpones infections.

So, politically, these vaccines are a disaster and they will if “successful” ensure that lockdown becomes a standard tool in the governmental policy set for responding to new infections.

That is the future we face at the moment..

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Very well expressed I think.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Dominic Lawson in The Sunday Times today says exactly that – the lockdowns were necessary and now the vaccine.
FFS. The man is a pea brain.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

I most likely will get it eventually if the virus hasn’t died out by then,but I do not wish to be a guinea pig for an untried technology.I shall endeavour to find out how enthusiastic friends who want it quickly fare. I usually do get vaccines on offer. I’ve also no desire to go to a “centre” and vaccinated by some hastily trained person. If I have it, I want the nurse at my local GP practice to administer it. I’m concerned about a friend who believes as a care worker she’ll be forced to have it. I strongly oppose any form of compulsion.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

The Covid-19 pandemic no longer exists, if indeed it ever did, so why on earth would anyone choose to be injected with a concoction, the purpose of which is not to prevent an infection.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

If we believe that the virus scare was overhyped then we cannot accept to be cured by a rushed, untested vaccine.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Exactly. It seems to me that many of the most fervent lockdown and mask supporters have become vaccine sceptics, presumably because they don’t want it to be over. They will no longer have an excuse to lock up the working class, avoid work themselves, implement cycle lanes, undermine the government and blame Brexit. The main issue for me is about freedom of choice and privacy of data. If I have the vaccine, it will be a choice made by balancing the risks to me against the benefits to my own life, to my very old parents and older friends. I don’t care about people I don’t know. If I had serious health problems, which I don’t, I would want to make that decision in consultation with a doctor, as I would any other medical treatment. I would then expect the record that I had had it to be kept by the NHS, in accordance with data protection laws, and released only to other parts of the NHS on a need to know basis; if I needed hospital treatment, for example. It should not be made available for commercial companies for commercial purposes and no one should be excluded from a… Read more »

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AshesThanDust
AshesThanDust
5 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

“Pregnant women and those wanting to be pregnant are advised not to have it. Excluding women of childbearing age from jobs, businesses and services would take us back to the nineteenth century.”

Very good point. Thanks.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Bill Gates’s wet dream to vaccinate 7 plus billion people with an untested vaccine over and over again is not a pernicious distraction.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Glad to see some people can see the bigger picture. Gates has been pushing his “depopulation by vaccine” line for more than a decade. Not only does greedy Gates want to kill us off (for the sake of the planet you understand), he wants to make another mega fortune in the process. Gates’s little helpers in the guise of Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson, BBC, Guardian and etc. are now there just to make sure that Bill gets as much of our money as is humanly possible. No doubt old Bill will make sure that this unholy bunch will get the rewards that they so deserve.

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AshesThanDust
AshesThanDust
5 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

Please don’t go! You have a strong voice – use it to argue! Bloody useful things, arguments.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago

Not sure why the letter to an MP opposing enforced vaccines was used as a good example. It’s ok, but doesn’t really focus on the argument, that is, why compulsory vaccinations are an abomination on the human rights of individuals. This needs to be drummed home and balanced with the non lethality of this virus to 99.6% of the population. In addition this vaccine is not a vaccine by definition, as it has already been revealed is not expected to reduce transmission but limit symptoms. Then with acknowledged potential side effects including unknown effects on fertility, how on earth can the vaccine be justified, as an unlicensed (temporary approval) medicine, let alone made compulsory. How can it possibly be made lawful, that a medication that could be potentially harmful be forced upon a population. These points need to be emphasised. Plus the letter quoted, endorsed the myth of the number of excess deaths – have we forgotten the dodgy method of certifying deaths? Please let’s not validate the government mantra to our MPs, we should be undermining it at every opportunity.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

As an additional thought, making this vaccine mandatory sets a precedent. If one drug can be enforced under the guise for the benefit of the community why not others. For example, TB is a prolongued treatment and essential that tablets are taken on a daily basis, why not then incarcerate those individuals to ensure compliance. What next, statins, flu vaccines …
Basically this is a red line and once crossed there is no going back – your body is now no longer yours, but for the state to decide what it should be subjected to. Any muppet using the save lives or the greater good mantra, try this analogy. We can all exist with one kidney, therefore if we all donated one of our kidneys we could save lives … doesn’t make it acceptable.
To think I used to sleep like a log.

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

That much at least we can deal with – ie harvesting our organs after death. Being in Wales – I got in there already and have one of those things done stating I am not an organ donor. Made sure of that quick sharp after spotting the evidence that they don’t make 101% sure and certain you’re dead first before taking them!!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

I was surprised, originally, that Wales was the first country to take possession of its citizens’ bodies. But after nine months of Stalin Dungford, I now know what Dungvolution meant from the start.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

I Did the same. Totally agree.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

There have been reports for years of the CCP executing prisoners to cull their organs for use by well connected members or for sale.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Spot on.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

The “vaccine” isn’t a vaccine, it is a glorified prophylactic.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Lemsip on steroids.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Black Currant Lemsip, no less

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Damn right.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago

Good morning peeps. The family was contacted about DNR, mother in law is 97. We were told it was to avoid putting her on a ventilator but who knows what will really happen. I’m very cynical about the government and NHS motives after the deliberate care home culling earlier this year. There is more going on than we are being told. The truth will out eventually, Mad Wankok must go. He is a dangerous nincompoop and shouldn’t hold the office he does.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Hasn’t hancock been arrested yet ?

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Stuart
Stuart
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Speak no ill of Nochance and Shitty.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Don’t even bother to call them by their names, they don’t deserve it.

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Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

If they wanted to avoid having very elderly or infirm people put on ventilators they could issue the appropriate clinical guidelines to staff and departments. This doesn’t sound like an efficient or logical way of doing it, and I’m not sure I believe their story. It sounds more like a way of keeping such patients out of intensive care units or hospitals altogether.

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

When I was a social worker ‘Staying out of hospital’ was what the majority of my frail elderly clients wanted. The fear of hospital is ingrained in many of the older generation.

My own mother begged me to go against staff and on one crazy occasion I wheeled her off the ward and into the lift with her egging me on!

In the end she died in front of me at home of a pulmonary embolism gasping ‘don’t call the doctor!’ In fact after 10 minutes I did dial 999 against her wishes as she seemed in too much distress. When the paramedics arrived it was too late but they pulled her off the bed and started pumping her but I knew she must have already been unconscious. It was very violent and upsetting. Those paramedics were following procedure. it would have been good if she had had a DNR in place.

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TJS123
TJS123
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

As someone who has participated in cardiac arrests, I personally after the age of 80 would not want my ribs broken, a tube down my fragile throat, ventilation which could burst my aged lungs, or to lose 10% of my muscle mass each week while unconscious and immobile, with sedating drugs which my body would be hypersensitive to, IV drips in my battered veins, if I was lucky enough to have veins strong enough to cope, and with a minuscule chance to returning to my previous state of health. DNR’s have been called TEP’s (Treatment escalation plans) for some while now and should be discussed by patient and family, and levels of intervention from, say, giving antibiotics for infections or not, right up to CPR and ventilation agreed, and the pros and cons discussed. A blanket “DNR” is never the right thing. Also the heart does not randomly stop in an elderly person with no underlying, likely irreversible, reason. “Allow a peaceful death” is written on the form, and Marietta’s experience is very valid.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

The very elderly see hospitals as places where you go to die, as they were for their parents’ generation before the NHS. Because the NHS is now so badly run, with disease spreading out of control in dirty hospitals, that would appear to be the case again. My mother’s generation of nurses are appalled.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

In that case, they are taking responsibility for the decision. By getting a person to a sign a DNR notice, the person is responsible. It is public sector cowardice at its best.

Reminder that I am a former public servant.

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Absolutely correct. The medics have a respected algorithm that the probability of someone surviving mechanical ventilation. (I remember Sarah Jarvis acknowldged this on the radio, recently.) A patient’s percentage probability of survival is estimated by subtracting their age in years from 100, i.e. a 90 year old patient has only a 10% probability of survival. Without a DNR order, it’s surely not difficult for clinicians to see that mechanical ventilation of very old patients is inappropriate,.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

For the old and frail, and especially for the demented, it’s a barbaric treatment.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Hancock is only a bit player, just too thick to be anything else, the real villains are Johnson and Gove.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago

Great quote Toby, and so relevant today

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

Albert Camus

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

“But again and again there comes a time in history when the man who dares to say that two and two make four is punished with death”.

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Nicky
Nicky
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I also like the Benjamin Franklin quote ‘they who would give up essential freedoms for personal safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety’ . Think I will make this into a car sticker for my car 😉

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

That is Global Public Health in a nutshell. Nanny State Tyrants.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

I’ve looked up the English Oxford Dictionary definition of ‘ vaccine rollout ‘

It says

‘Taxpayer funded fuck up’

Syn: Lockdown, Track and trace, Mass testing, Matt Handcock

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Cheshire Andy
Cheshire Andy
5 years ago

New lockdown, this time strictly for the birds….captive ones. No joking, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55201167. All to be kept indorrs from Dec 14th due to bird flu. Sounds like this is the end of healthy eggs (all feed will now be manufactured) and after 12 weeks indoors, Chickens and their eggs will no longer be allowed to be labelled free range. So now we have an assault on one of the few remaining sources of healthful (good fats and Vitamin D) animal derived food left open to us. Another piece in the jigsaw falls into place. Expect mass culls as the bird flu proceeds to decimate the enclosed poultry and spreads more fear in the population (cross infection having been led up the zoonotic garden path already) )leading to a massive decreases in both supply and demand (on a permanent basis). As a “private” citizen, if you keep your own chickens expect the local gestapo to call to enforce the rules or proceed to cull your little flock. Turkey for Christmas, get it now and put it in your freezer. 2020 is The Last Christmas. Apologies for the BBC link.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshire Andy

and then they come for the pets. I will kill the b****rds first before I let them take my pets.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshire Andy

BBC is well behind on this one. Local Live (mirror group news) SW reported it early last month after breakouts in Dorset, Herefordshire and Devon.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshire Andy

Didn’t all this insanity happen before in 2009? Thanks to Neil Ferguson’a inaccurate modelling?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

yep

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Yes. It bankrupted a lot of small farmers who were swllowed up by Big Ag.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

Institutionalised lunacy is an apt description.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

Ah, the old commie tactic, get rid of the old as those are the ones who remember pre-commie ways.

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I was shocked to realise this DNR tactic has been extended down as low as 65 years old (being late 60’s myself) and so it’s not just the elderly they’re doing this to. Now I personally wouldnt want to be resuscitated if I keeled over with the family heart attack – but it is MY decision and not theirs. So I’m not old yet – but I do remember Normal Times and won’t stop arguing for them to return until they do (yep…that would be all the way back to “Finish one job Friday and start another one on Monday – and it’s secure”).

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

I shouldn’t be a bit surprised if they quietly revised the criteria for the state in which a person ought not to be resuscitated. In a coma? Suffering from concussion? Fainted?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Head butting a riot cops baton ?

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Asymptomatic narcolepsy

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Falling asleep with the wrong opinions

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Desuscitation.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

We had got back to ‘left my job Friday I’ll get another on Monday’ around here 6 or 7 years ago. Unemployment was around 1.5% and job vacancies advertising all over the place. Not any more.

Last edited 5 years ago by karenovirus
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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I was delighted and relieved to leave my soul crushing NHS job 14 months ago. It was relatively easy to get a job in a housing project which admittedly pays less but is a lot more satisfying and I feel valued and supported. I doubt if I’d get another job so easily now in view of the unemployment rate and an ageist culture.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

As when Stalin took out the entire Bolshevik Old Guard en route to his dictatorship.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

It’s like the purges isn’t it it? Robert Conquest’s The Great Terror is a worth a read.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

What was the Liverpool Care Pathway? ‘Commie’ or capitalist?

It feels like our rulers want rid of those who aren’t working or who are ‘economically inactive’ as Priti Patel described. The rich live to a ripe old age, especially the Royals

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

“Useless eaters” was the official Nazi term.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Ugly Patel.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

At this rate I’m beginning to see what folk are getting at with the whole “there is no covid19 virus” as everywhere is focusing on cases of a flu like virus and we’re measuring it with two tests that are quite flawed.

If it does exist perhaps it’s now naturally mutated itself out of existence like past viruses or indeed the majority of us have had it without knowing it, either way there’s really nothing to worry about except the now the lefty lunatics in power (I include Boris).

What to do now is the question.

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The Bigman
The Bigman
5 years ago

LET US TALK ABOUT CHINA! – Poll

If anyone has caught Douglas Murray’s piece in the Spectator or listened to his interview on Talk Radio you will have heard a coherent argument for ‘reparations’ from China to the rest of the world as a result of their inaction.

Two things:

Should China pay anything?

As this is the third major virus from China in 20 years, should we consider this is potentially deliberate destabilising act, after all Chinese officials have openly stated about taking over the west.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I think you should go back and read the comment you posted five minutes earlier, which casts doubt on the threat posed by the virus and properly locates the problem with the government of this country.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Spectator too left wing for me

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

We had the conversation a couple of days back, the main gist was that all the damage has been done by world governments locking. There was no need to lockdown the same as 2009 when we had swine flu, but all Govs followed suit as they saw the potential for a massive power grab.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

Talking about reparations from China is just a distraction from exposing the lies and tyranny of our own government, and is in a way a tacit acceptance that it’s the virus that has done the damage and not the reaction to it.

The Chinese are “guilty” of doing what most governments do most of the time – exploiting the situation to gain an advantage over others.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

China should stop pushing QR code immunity passports on the rest of the world if it doesn’t want a world resentful of it. I would bet that China is up to its neck in the Corona Scandal. Its Wuhan lab is supposedly part funded by Pharma and the Americans, who attended the military games in Wuhan. Bill Gates and China enjoy a productive relationship.. ad nauseam

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Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
5 years ago
Reply to  The Bigman

I don’t often read the comments section so apologies if this has been said many times before, but to me this a new take on the China did it theory so I thought I’d share it. With an IFR of 0.5% or less and 30% or more of the population having pre-existing immunity Covid would appear to be a pretty crap biological weapon. However this is only true if it was meant to do what other biological weapons were designed for, i.e kill a large percentage of the enemy’s soldiers/population so you can achieve dominence by invading a country. In a world where there are nuclear weapons I don’t think any country would be foolish enough to try and dominate the West by direct military means. Another way to achieve dominance would be to economically dominate your rivals and the quickest way to achieve this would be to decimate your rival’s economies while leaving yours largely intact. If this was China’s intention and they believed in advance that most countries would respond to a pandemic by locking down then from their point of view Covid has been an almost perfect weapon. This theory could help to explain a couple of… Read more »

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Stuart
Stuart
5 years ago

“So, the NHS cleared out the old bed-blockers in last March’s coup de main. You think we want them back again? DNAR the lot of them on arrival or better still go-slow the ambulances. We got TikTok dance routines to work on for Christmas panto”.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Included in my phone contacts

ICE-DNR, my body, my choice.

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Nicky
Nicky
5 years ago

This is what happens after you lock people up, deprive them of human contact and the ability to socialise rationally and then exhort them to abide by nonsensical rules. No doubt fuel though for a 3rd lockdown being threatened, with thousands of lives being put at risk. Already seeing adverse comments from the pro lockdown’ers. Although I heard a glimmer of hope this morning listening to the news headlines on the radio that at last a poll may be showing a turn in the tide of public opinion with a majority now thinking the govt is handling the crisis badly?

https://twitter.com/Iromg/status/1335389893749596164?s=20

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

People are realising that they’ve been had and long may it continue.

Now we need to push back more plus retailers, pubs, restaurants, museums, churches, venues, etc to grow a backbone and refuse to kowtow to the government any longer.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Pedant alert

This is a dictatorship not a government

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I stand corrected! 😉 👍

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I wish, oh how I wish, that the Welsh hospitalitarians would fight back before Dungford kills them all stone dead. They are like rabbits hypnotised by a dancing weasel.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

What has happened to the people of Wales? I won’t be surprised if there’s a campaign to abolish the Welsh assembly next year if it hasn’t begun already.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’d support it. There isn’t a brain, heart or backbone anywhere in that assemblage of witless wankers.

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Bill H
Bill H
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

What an amazing image that conjures Annie !

You are a magician .

Wonderful.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Only wish I could draw cartoons,,,

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

You draw excellent verbal ones!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

If they comply they will die

Better to die fighting back

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Fantastic. Possibly the start of peaceful mass civil disobedience

Well done to all the young people who took part. You are heroes

They are few. We are many

Up with this we will not put

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Trouble is polls like that mix sceptics and those who want bigger, harder, longer.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

That was a meeting of Young travellers.This tine of year they would be at Winer Wonderland in the park.As that is closed they decided to meet in the Square outside Harrods.It caused chaos on Brompton Road.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Aaah so that’s what was happening. My daughter was in harrods and could not understand why all these young people holding wads of £50 notes and buying all the designer gear.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

That was the only large gathering yesterday that gained any official press coverage.

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

that’s a bizarre scene of young people trying to enter harrods – i wouldn’t have thought it was their natural habitat/choice of store and is more frequented by people in limousines and burkas. Maybe they’ve gone down market to getin with the young crowd!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

Hummmm….militant “shopping” this has some potential……
We need to re-imagine our future (protests)

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Josephine K
Josephine K
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

When is a demo not a demo? Surely militant shopping is a idea whose time has come? Those young people were not wearing masks therefore it was a defacto statement if not an outright protest. I think it’s a great idea and I can’t see any downside.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Nicky

And there was never actually a ‘crisis’ – just a natural wave of a coronavirus like influenza that happens every year. The crisis that’s destroyed human rights, mental health, the economy, civil liberties, cancelled medical treatment, draconian policing is a man made crisis

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago

So what is the current agenda on testing?

I am not sure what message we are currently being given. Are we just meant to be confused with the contradictory information so that we will accept whatever is mandated?

The widespread use of PCR testing looks like it was largely responsible for the casedemic.

The lateral flow testing appears to produce less false positives and is being criticized for the number of false negatives.

I believe that the gazillion pound project Moonshot was meant to be using the lateral flow test.

Official ‘case’ numbers are coming down rapidly – all hail Lockdown 2 and the good people of Liverpool.

I think most of us here have clear views on the realities of this. What I am not so clear on are the current unrealities i.e. what we are being asked to believe about testing and what next steps will be put forward.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Testing, by whatever method, is their infallible way of turning ‘case’ numbers up and down like a dimmer switch, according to which lie they currently want to tell.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The chocolate ration is going up, I mean down, sorry up, no down

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I saw a video claiming that the test swabs deposit nanoparticles up by your brain and who knows what’s in them and what they’re intended to do in your body. But that’s probably just a crazy conspiracy theory. Right?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

Might explain some otherwise inexplicable behaviour …..

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

As far as I can make out, the lateral flow tests are deemed to produce too many false negatives based on…you guessed it, the high FPR RT-PCR test! There isn’t any other basis available. They simply refused to believe that the Liverpool numbers were so low. You couldn’t make it up. Oh, hang on; they are doing.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

It has gone very quiet on testing since last week when the numbers were going down really fast. They tried to claim this was due to lockdown until they noticed it had been going down for weeks. Is this their plan? Stop talking about it, like they did with Priti’s bullying claim?

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

All the pieces of the scam fit together in order for the scam to have legs

The masks perpetuate the idea of a deadly virus

The testing does the same. More crucially the tech and pharma industries who are poised to make big cash profits from vaccines and immunity passports are what is driving this. The end goal is indefinite profits for shareholders and for governments to realise their dream of tighter control of citizens

It’s a no win situation for 99% of the population. The rich and the powerful will be exempt

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I thought that Lockdown 2 had now been refined in Liverpool, so it’s now just chums of the mayor who are involved?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10036/3246/WiggamM.pdf%3Fsequence%3D2&ved=2ahUKEwi75MTF37jtAhVPQMAKHcJpBkYQFjABegQIMRAB&usg=AOvVaw0od0YCVohuC9dSVR2wjA-M

ore.exeter.ac.uk › WiggamMPDF
Blackout in Britain and Germany during the Second World War

Interesting parallels in the conclusion

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Actual effectiveness of blackouts discussed on p26.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

Wankok says he is a freedom-loving conservative. (DT. article in Toby’s list above.)

Wankok says that.
Wankok says that.
Wankok says that.
WANKOK SAYS THAT.

Must go take my blood-pressure pill before I perish by spontaneous combustion.

I take some comfort from the comments.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

. . . Pants on fire🖕

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Steve Baker’s reply was priceless. Goes to show how even many of his fellow Conservatives despise him.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

In this post-modernist world he may well believe he’s a freedom loving conservative as he holds a gun to your head threatening to kill you if you don’t do what he says. Like all these racists who claim black lives matter that hate white people. Words have lost their meaning.

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dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

surely he’s going to have to emigrate?

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  dommo

North Korea would reject him as being too tyrannical.

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Danny
Danny
5 years ago

News this morning full of the “chaos” in London yesterday as swarms of selfish young people condemn us to perpetual lockdown by daring to go out together at Christmas time.
We must be punished.
We must be punished.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Danny

My daughter was in London, was just like normal. These are the people who will drive this lockdown away. The young can organise very quickly and do proper protests. Just look at the BLM protest.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

BLM actions were tightly controlled Soros events.

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Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Danny

good for them! Stick 2 fingers up to the establishment! the other night a group of kids were partying in the park in the rain – how low have we dropped that they have to do this and not be inside. Their choice of music was bizarre as i heard James’ “All sit down” tune and thought a bizarre choice for youngsters but hey maybe the best ones are timeless. Just looking at the lyrics they could be quite apt for us – i’ll leave them here for you. Have a nice day all – off to liaise with nature! I’ll sing myself to sleep A song from the darkest hour Secrets I can’t keep Inside of a day Swing from high to deep Extremes of sweet and sour Hope that God exists I hope I pray Drawn by the undertow My life is out of control I believe this wave will bear my weight So let it flow Oh sit down Oh sit down Oh sit down Sit down next to me Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, down In sympathy Now I’m relieved to hear That you’ve been to some far out places It’s hard to… Read more »

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Oh how we laughed, what a giggle. Derbyshire police used a drone to track dog walkers, what a jolly jape we thought

A man who should know said this is what a police state looks like

They called him a fool, a silly old duffer. They told him to shut up, and he should know better than to say such stupid things

Nine months later innocent women are beaten up and kidnapped on the streets of London by Mrs Dicks private army of thugs

The women’s crime had been to shout ‘freedom’ in a public place

The police now have the power to kick in your front door on Christmas Day and cart off your children and grand children

If it’s any consolation it breaks the pig dictators heart to have to do this to you

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

What heart?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Heart of Stone.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

And come into a pub to tell you to eat your substantial meal more speedily.
Like Dining Monitors in junior school.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And this.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

It’s less than £1 a pint in our bus stop

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

And surprise surprise

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

What about Cressida Dick telling people to harass the disabled because they’re not wearing masks? She never apologised or backtracked on this.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Of course the disabilities charities and woke Muppets were up in arms about this…oh wait… no, that’s right. They didn’t bat an eyelid

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

And now the TV ad slots are filled with these charities saying “we’ve had a hard year and need your money more than ever”. They have not spoken out at all against this lockdown and the hardship it has caused, and you can damn well guarantee that the fat cats heading these charities have still been paid their £200k-300k a year salary whilst funding has been removed to be spent on helping the people and animals these charities are meant to be helping.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Charity bosses are worried about their mortgages for their second home. The same charities that used ‘Covid’ as an opportunity to virtue-signal and to perpetuate the Covid lie

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Andy
Andy
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Disability Rights UK is always expanding its training and job roles. Didn’t you know? They are very busy increasing the size of their organisation, just like all the other charities. If they solved problems they would be unemployed.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Don’t knock them. They are our no-nappy alibi.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

It comes across as completely devoid of any personality

The eyes are dead

Grey like John Major’s spitting image puppet

Beyond bland

It looks like it knows it shouldn’t be in that position, but the money comes in handy

It was pretty certain that Patel (evil bitch) was going to do for it, but her hands are tied now

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

She never did despite the likes of Simon Dolan calling her out on it. Shame on the disabled charities as well being silent and not fighting back.

That said they will get their comeuppance when the day of reckoning comes.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Common Purpose will have infiltrated them all.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Disable Cressida.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

It was the ‘shaming’ next stop the stocks ..

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mikewaite
mikewaite
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Does Boris realise the dead end he has driven himself into?
As soon as Brexit is done, he will no longer be needed and much of the country, probably most, will want to see him gone from Downing St.
To do what ? He has already stated that a PM’s slary is inadequate for his needs. His temporary job as an ordinary MP will not be any better, so will he return to journalism?.
But given his lies, deceit and hypocrisy over the last year would anyone read what he writes , would any publisher/editor, with any sense of decency, commission him to write for them.
I suppose the only option is to become a paid shill for the renewables industry, like some other ill- principled and failed politicians that one could mention.

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Christopher
Christopher
5 years ago
Reply to  mikewaite

He will get his 30 pieces of silver as reward for destroying Albion don’t you worry , just as Blair got his for setting the middle east ablaze .

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  mikewaite

I am formulating an anology about the only job Evil Old Borris is going to be able to get after this shit-show is a “cleaner” in the exclusive club that shows COVID Fear Porn 24/7.

I have refrained from using more crude metaphors which would use the word the Boris uses to describe what people who like to spend billions of pounds of our money do when in a small room and having a “special” party.

I am looking forward to reading about the adventures of Boris in his new role.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  mikewaite

The odious Christine Hamilton was popular as an after-ladies’-luncheon speaker.

And Tony Bliar used after-dinner speaking to elevate himself to influential heights.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  mikewaite

What kind of Brexit deal would PM Johnson give you now? I wouldn’t allow him anywhere near a Brexit deal now.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago

Goodbye to the NHS. Welcome to the National Covid Service. PCRs, DNARs, mRNA jabs R Us.. No vax? Security, escort this murderer of the premises.

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annie
annie
5 years ago

Certainly one of them contains foetal tissue. Catholics have been told that this is fine, no worries, gulp it down, but don’t forget that abortion is still very wicked.

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/13411/catholic-bishops-issue-new-guidance-on-covid-vaccine

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Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

LATROGENIC reactions and MRC-5.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Sounds like a Witches brew to me.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Abortion is a medical term. Can refer to spontaneous, ie miscarriage, or to a elective termination.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Whatever happened to individual conscience and what if said vaccine is harmful or doesn’t work? “This statement follows a previous document from the Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales, which argued in July that Catholics “have a prima facie duty to be vaccinated”. Although that statement emphasised the ethical issues of vaccination, it did not link those to a right to conscientiously object to use of a vaccine. “

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Jesus wept. I really, really despair at what this virus has done to people’s brains and reasoning.

Apart from “bubble(s)” another word and even image that I hate now is “rainbow.” Everytime I see one, I want to stab myself.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It’s times like these when you stop to consider whether that whopper who goes on about moron slaves might be onto something.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yeah, would have given up by that point as well if I were you.

An inverted one sounds great. I always found it amusing that its in the wealthy areas where you find these rainbows and “Thank you NHS” art works from the kiddies but nothing in the poor areas.

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bluemoon
bluemoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Plenty in my poor-ish area. They’re still up! And the large banners tied to fences.
I mentally spit on the ground as I go by.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  bluemoon

Local ones all vanished weeks ago.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  bluemoon

The ones here disappeared ages ago.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Same yesterday. Went to support some small, local independent shops selling ‘nice things’ for Christmas. In a tiny, ‘pop up ‘ shop, whilst sorting out payment with the seller, we were standing relatively close to the door. The woman trying to enter, in fear of our presence, would put one foot in the doorway, then retreat, then try again, all the time looking at me wide eyed. Honestly, I felt like singing the hokey cokey out loud, and then yelling at the stupid woman, if you think this virus is so deadly, why on earth are you risking your life entering a shop that 8 people would fill, all for the sake of a Christmas bauble!

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes! I saw three impressive rainbow lines in the Welsh sky last week. As I was admiring them I immediately caught myself thinking how the word ‘rainbow’ now signifies a caring sharing NHS within a discourse of public health.

If Roland Barthes and Jean Baudrillard were alive today they’d be having a semiology field day !!!!

We now have a mask, a bubble and a rainbow – ( 2 of them loved by children?) now gaining new meaning within a healthcare structural system that organises the meanings and gives them symbolic power. It’s really interesting that by screaming the word ‘bubble’ that customer was supposed to be signalling empathy and moral superiority.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

I saw Welsh rainbows too. And thought ‘NHS, ugh.’
I need rainbow thought therapy.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

I still love rainbows in nature, nothing political can take that beauty from me as drawings are nothing like the majesty of the real thing.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

You wouldn’t be the first.
I saw one with National Covid-Only Service in the arch.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Watching the Ruptly coverage of the Paris protest yesterday it would a appear a protester had their hand blown off by something fired by the police

Can’t be certain that’s what I saw but I do have experience of dealing with casualties

If you want to look yourself its near the end of the protest when the protesters are gathered around a monument/fountain. The police are firing some kind of stun grenades at the protesters

The casualty is being treated by a volunteer medical team

Needless to say nothing in the MSM

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I saw a photo montage last year of Yellow Vests casualties. People maimed, missing body parts, eyes, because of Macron’s thugs. There needs to be a criminal trial

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String
String
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Definitely right. I remember that too. Typically of course the MSM dismissed them “all” as far-right thugs, I’m sure one even used a phrase like ‘Russian agitators!’

Not unlike the laptop repair guy in Delaware who had Hunter Biden’s laptop. He too was Putin’s puppet putting out Russian disinformation. who knew?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

“The GLI-F4’s tear gas consists of 10 grams of CS gas. The explosive charge consists of 26 grams of TNT and 4 grams of hexocire (a mixture of RDX and wax)”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLI-F4_grenade
This is what they do to a boot, warning there are other images of the injuries they cause and you really don’t want to look.

comment image

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Sounds like lies to me. Who is going through aborted foetuses picking out lungs?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I understand that the tissue came from a baby boy in 1968(?) and has been grown on in the lab (I am sure there is a proper term).

Check out Judy Mikovits

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skipper
skipper
5 years ago

Pfizer’s official line is that it doesn’t contain cell tissue but that the virus it contains was derived from the cell tissue of an aborted foetus from the 1970’s. Derived mean’s it was “obtained from” so how can they say it doesn’t contain anything, the virus has still interacted with that cell tissue.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

I understand that cells from foetal tissue from elective abortions way back were genetically modified so that they could be divided an infinite number of times and used in research. This allows research into all sorts of treatments including cancer and anti-virals and safety testing before the stage they are trialled on living people. Tissue is not in the vaccines themselves. This might still be ethically unacceptable to many people but in that case there will be many drug therapies that they ought to reject oñ these grounds.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Also biologic drugs are grown in Modified cell lines. Often Chinese hamster ovary cells. But it doesn’t mean they are made from hamsters.

there was a synthetic skin substitute (not sure if it is still available) that was grown from a piece of baby’s foreskin from a circumcision years and years ago. You just keep growing the cells. It’s hard to say they contain that person’s skin though. They’ve been derived from it. Not sure if that helps explain it or not.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Sophie123

On talk radio someone actually asked if vegans can take the virus because of the meat content! K Sakora tried his best not to laugh. I always wondered do vegans do oral?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Sssshh it’s a secret.
pulsetoday.co.uk appeared on my newsfeed. It tells of the vaccine roll out advice being sent out to GP practises on ‘Monday’, (tomorrow 7th Dec ?) for starting a programme starting on the 14th.

Such a lot to do in a week, what can possibly go wrong?
I went back for another peak only to be told I had to register as a G.P. because ‘this site is intended for health professionals only’.

Happily I already had the attached screenshot

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Last edited 5 years ago by karenovirus
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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They love their acronyms, don’t they?

Some busy bees at some government departments assisted by the collaborators in medicine have put a lot of effort into this. It will cost huge sums of money and be about as successful as a Sixth Form group project.
I expect they’ll all get stickers.

As the philosopher says, it’s all pantomime.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

If GPs don’t make their concerns known right now, they never will

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stevie
stevie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

All the roll out details are here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccination-programme/ (with lots of acronyms) Our advice for clinicians on the coronavirus is here.
If you are a member of the public looking for health advice, go to the NHS website. And if you are looking for the latest travel information, and advice about the government response to the outbreak, go to the gov.uk website.

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