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by Jonathan Barr
7 December 2020 4:13 AM

The Vaccine Priority List

Pfizer has dispatched the first batch of the the 40 million vaccine doses ordered by the Government and hospitals around the country have started accepting deliveries. The Telegraph carries details of the plans for the roll-out and the order of priority advised by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation:

Chris Hopson, the chief executive of NHS Providers, said that an initial 800,000 doses “could be the only batch we receive for some time”. NHS England has told GP surgeries they must be ready to administer 975 doses to priority patients within three-and-a-half days of the vaccines being delivered on December 14th. Business Secretary Alok Sharma said the “bulk” of vaccine rollout would take place in 2021, with the Oxford/AstraZeneca version likely to considerably boost supply.

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which advises ministers, had recommended that the vaccine should be prioritised for the the elderly and health workers. The group have published their list of who they believe should get the vaccine first. Explaining the priorities for who will get the vaccine, chairman of the JCVI Professor Wei Shen Lim said: “Vaccines are offered to protect people who are most at risk from dying of COVID-19, as well as to protect health and social care services, because by doing so we also protect lives.”

Professor Lim said age was the single most important factor in the estimated risk of mortality, and everyone in the country older than 50 will be vaccinated by the end of phase one. The Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Van-Tam, suggested the priority list for vaccinations will cover 99% of COVID-19 related deaths, meaning restrictions may then begin to come to an end. 

The order of priority advised by the JCVI, for the first phase of the roll-out, is:

The Telegraph report is worth reading in full.

The second phase of the roll-out, in the JCVI view, should focus on preventing further hospitalisation, and could prioritise those who are at increased risk of exposure due to their occupation, such as “first responders, the military, those involved in the justice system, teachers and public service workers essential to the pandemic response”.

For comment, we turn to our own Dr Mike Yeadon, who yesterday tweeted:

Pleased to see Government policy does not include offering the vaccine to those younger than 50 years unless picked up in the category of severe, chronic illness. I’d be greatly relieved if that was the end of it. It’s calculable roughly how many doses needed and time to get this done. The nation, society, and sovereign currency might have collapsed by then but so long as we extend the life of an 84 year-old by three months (even though they’ve not been asked if that’s what they wanted and most regret having seen far less, if any at all, of their families for the last 10 months) that’s a result.

Meanwhile, the Mirror has news of the card that will be given to patients once they have had the jab.

The UK Government has offered the first glimpse at the vaccination card that will be given to patients who receive the jab. Britain is poised to lead the world in rolling out the first COVID-19 vaccine to the public within the next 48 hours. A picture of a card for people to keep as a record of their vaccination was also released. The card issued by the NHS and pictured for the first time on Sunday encourages users to carry it in their purse or wallet. The blue-hued card carries space for the date and batch number for the two jabs the Pfizer shot recipients will get. Vaccination records are commonly used in health-care as a way for medics and patient to track jabs, especially those that require boosters down the track. The NHS vaccine card is likely to spark interest in how it could be used as debate continues over how a vaccine could shape the world in the new post-pandemic era.

The card that is to be given to patients following vaccination (image PA)

We’re Still Nervous

A Christmas market opened in Nottingham on Saturday – and was soon forced to close because too many people went to it. The MailOnline has more.

An outdoor Christmas market in Nottingham has been forced to shut after just 24 hours due to overcrowding, as thousands of shoppers ignore social distancing rules on the first weekend after the second national lockdown. Shocking pictures showed hundreds of people rammed together in Old Market Square, in the centre of the city which is in Tier 3, for the first day of the Christmas markets on Saturday. It has now been shut after organisers were criticised for a lack of social distancing.

The Mellors Group, which runs the event in conjunction with Nottingham City Council, said: “In light of the unprecedented high footfall seen up and down the country for retail nationally, we have decided to temporarily close the Christmas market today. The pent-up demand for a city centre offer was far higher than normal and we feel this is the most appropriate way forward.”

Nottinghamshire Police said officers were at the market all day to provide visible presence and to break up large crowds in the area. The market was set to run from 10am to 9pm every day until Christmas Eve.

The original decision for the market to go ahead came as similar events in other cities were cancelled including in Birmingham and Manchester. It comes on what is the second non-working day since lockdown ended on December 2nd, where shoppers were out in force in the hope of snapping up Christmas deals. 

One visitor, aged 24, from The Meadows area of Nottingham, said there were at least a couple of hundred people at the market, describing it as “crazy”. He said: “I was on the outskirts of the market as there were so many people on the inside, many people were not wearing any masks at all and there was definitely no two-metre distancing. I was highly uncomfortable being there so we literally went home after five minutes.” 

To be clear, what we have here is the first day of a Christmas market on the first weekend after the lockdown was lifted. It was outdoors – thus reasonably safe, COVID-19-wise – and legal, even under the restrictions imposed by Tier 3. Far from shocking, it was entirely normal and predictable. The report continues:

With less than three weeks until Christmas, shoppers are being urged to shop locally in a push to save small businesses from financial ruin. But despite a festive flurry on the first Saturday since the second national lockdown was lifted, retail industry figures show around a third fewer people visited English high streets compared to this time last year. Data from retail analysts ShopperTrak shows footfall was down 29% year-on-year as many erred on the side of caution despite non-essential shops being allowed to reopen from Wednesday. 

Andy Sumpter, retail consultant at the consumer analytics firm, said retailers will be hoping “pent-up demand” will continue through until the last Saturday before Christmas – dubbed Super Saturday – on December 19th, if shops are to have any hope of a decent Christmas.

While Saturday did see shopper traffic increase by 193% nationally week-on-week, Mr Sumpter said “many are still keenly feeling the impact of lockdown. Instilling confidence in physical shopping journeys and reassuring consumers that stores are safe will be the cornerstone to ensuring shoppers keep returning, not just to support shops, but also their local communities that rely on the high street”.

Worth reading in full.

As if to underline the point, MailOnline has a poll which suggests that a great many Britons are still living in fear of contracting COVID-19 and think that December 2nd was too soon to end the lockdown.

Half of Britons say they will not be meeting relatives indoors over Christmas despite the “bubble” loosening.

A poll for MailOnline found just a third are planning to take advantage of the exemption from COVID-19 restrictions to mix indoors during the festive season.

The results of the survey by Redfield & Wilton Strategies underline the continuing nerves among the public about the pandemic. Some 45% say they are “actively scared” about contracting the disease every time they go outside – and half thought the England-wide lockdown ended too soon on December 2nd. 

The research for MailOnline, conducted last week, found that just 34% were planning to meet people from another household indoors during the period of loosening. Half said they definitely would not be doing so. Some 16% said they were not sure. A third would be less likely to vote for a political party at a future election if it advocated dropping lockdowns altogether – as some Tory MPs would prefer.

 Worth reading in full

Meanwhile the Telegraph has details of a similarly disturbing poll by Orb international

Mask wearing is here to stay, according to a poll, as half of Britons say they are likely to carry on wearing them after vaccination. Some 25% (512) of those surveyed will stop covering their face when they have had the vaccine, according to a poll of more than 2,000 people by ORB International. However, 50% (1,042) don’t want to throw away their masks immediately and think we could be wearing them for at least another year.

The ORB poll also revealed that only 17% of people (358) believe the spread of COVID-19 in the UK is under control, compared with 70% (1,460) who do not. Most Britons want to be vaccinated, with 69% (1,446) happy to sign up when possible, the data shows. Anxiety around travelling abroad persists, according to the poll, with only a third (27%, 571 people) saying going on a family holiday in 2021 is a priority.

Even making the usual allowances for the shortcomings of opinion polls, this makes for disturbing reading. A testament to how effective the Government’s propaganda has been.

Immunity Passports: An Idea Gaining Ground

As countries look to ease restrictions, the idea of an “immunity passport” is gaining ground. Travelpulse has more.

It might seem counterintuitive that, instead of needing a negative COVID-19 test to cross international borders, you could offer proof that you’d previously tested positive? Yet these so-called “immunity passport” policies already exist in certain countries, operating on the assumption that, having been infected and recovered, a person can’t contract or carry the virus again. It’s the premise for a new testing and quarantine exemption rule in Iceland that will go into effect on December 10the. Under standard requirements, international travellers entering Iceland must either complete 14 days of quarantine or take two COVID-19 tests, the second administered five days after arrival, and test negative both times to be released from isolation. Under the new provision, foreign visitors will be exempt from these requirements if they can provide proof that they’ve already had COVID-19 and recovered. According to CNN Travel, Iceland border authorities will accept documented evidence of a positive COVID-19 PCR test that’s at least 14 days old or an ELISA test (which measures antibody levels) that’s issued by an approved European lab.

CNN reports that Hungary had adopted a similar exemption back in September, although the country hasn’t released any information about the success or failure of the policy, what science its decision was based on, or the pros and cons it might’ve weighed before implementing it. Hungary also seems an unlikely candidate to have authorised such an unusual loophole, considering that its borders remain closed to nearly everyone, including its European neighbours, and its Government openly demonstrates hostility toward migrants. However, reports indicate that the “immunity passport” exemption doesn’t seem to be much utilized and hasn’t been widely talked about even within Hungary.

There is obvious potential for momentum to grow behind the idea, not least as the International Air Transport Association announced not so long ago that it is in the final development stages of its mobile app, the IATA travel pass, which is designed to enable flyers to display their COVID credentials when asked. It is good that the proposal accepts that people can be immune without having had the vaccine and any loosening of travel restrictions should be welcomed. But the idea has a few obvious drawbacks. For one, it’s a violation of our civil liberties – we shouldn’t have to show anything other than our actual passports in order to travel. Another is spelt out in the CNN report on Iceland’s scheme:

Experts in several leading medical journals have also warned that immunity passports could incentivize otherwise healthy people to wilfully seek out infection. It’s unclear if anyone has actually become infected on purpose in order to enter Hungary, but University of Oxford ethicist Rebecca Brown finds it hard to believe. “It would be quite an extreme thing to do. And I think, in all likelihood, the vast majority of people wouldn’t,” she says, explaining that COVID-19 can come with long-term effects even in some young, healthy people.

Yeah, we’re not so sure about that Rebecca. If this scheme takes off, we can imagine a black market sprinting up in which young, healthy people can purchase a dose of COVID-19 so in return for a couple of days of bed rest they can secure an immunity passport. Could be safer than getting vaccinated…

More Travel Madness

Just in from a reader: Avoid layovers in Doha

Having decided to escape the madness and support the failing travel industry, we found ourselves forced to fly via Doha to our fancy winter destination as the direct British Airways flight was cancelled.

Our destination required us to have a PCR test (taken in a disused church in Fulham by a man who clearly had zero clinical training (but that’s another issue) and then upload our ‘fit-to-fly’ certificate along with various other statements to a Government website 24 hours before departure. Knowing the inaccuracy of the test, it was hard to look forward to our holiday.

On the first leg of the flight we were forced to wear face masks with visors on top. Obviously, this led to lots of steamed-up bespectacled passengers tripping up all over the place.

Imagine our surprise when, following the other Brits to our connecting flight in Doha, we were told we had to have another thin swab shoved into our brains through the nasal passage and wait 15 minutes for the results of a lateral flow test before boarding. Apprehension became horror as we witnessed an airport employee march up to the young couple next to us and announce that one of them had tested positive and both of them would be required to isolate in a government hotel for two weeks before being sent back to Blighty.

So much for the dream holiday/honeymoon.

The Boris Menu

A substantial meal? (Gettty/istock)

Bureaucracies regulate and entrepreneurs make things happen: behold the Boris Menu! From the Independent.

A hot dog and chips for a mere £1.99 is the best-selling item on the Castle Inn pub’s “Boris Menu” – launched by owner Kerry Hills to stay in line with the government’s latest COVID-19 regulations. Pubs under Tier 2 restrictions in England that primarily sell drinks can only operate if they serve a “substantial meal” with orders of alcohol. But what constitutes a substantial meal remains murky, with Government ministers themselves seemingly unclear on whether or not a Scotch egg would constitute a starter or a main.

In order to get through the ongoing restrictions, “wet-led” establishments like the Castle Inn in Tring, Hertfordshire, have begun offering cheap food and snacks in a bid to stay open.

Ms Hills tells the Independent: “90% of my customers are tradesmen who come in after work for two or three pints on their way home. They do not want anything to eat bar a bag of peanuts as they have dinner at home with their families.”

The pub’s “Boris Menu” includes starters of garlic bread and soup for 99p, main courses or baked beans on toast, hot dog and chips, or tomato and mozzarella pizza bread for £1.99, and 99p desserts.

“I needed to make the menu as cheap as possible so as not to deter them from coming in at all. Due to the limited kitchen facilities at the pub, I also needed quick, simple dishes,” she says.

“The customers have responded really well and so far the hot dog and chips has been the winning dish by far.”

Full marks to that landlady. The story is worth reading in full, as it explains how a number of pubs have worked out their way around the regulations – from serving bottomless chicken wings and chips to providing handy visuals to show punters how many drinks they could get in in the time the dish takes to serve and eat – laying bare just how daft these rules are.

Round-up

  • “On the public health establishment’s dystopian logic, every flu season should bring another lockdown” – Madeline Grant in the Telegraph, tackling the prospect of lockdowns, mask-wearing and social-distancing in every flu season
  • “Toy shops struggle to fulfil Christmas orders because UK ports are blocked by mountains of PPE” – Toy shops report that Santa’s sleigh may be getting stuck behind vast quantities of personal protective equipment
  • “Worshippers at the altar of pseudo-science” – Andrew Mahon in the Conservative Woman on the mob religion of social distancing, masks, lockdowns, isolation and Government apps
  • “It’s only three weeks” – Good poem in the Conservative Woman about masks, protests, vaccines and lost freedom
  • “I gave them an open goal to some extent” – The Guardian interviews Professor Neil Ferguson about his lockdown rule-breaking among other things: “In some sense it was a risk-based judgement which is exactly the wrong thing to do.”
  • “Facts, not fear, will stop the pandemic” – A call for reason and rationality in talking about COVID-19 from Professor Jay Bhattacharya, founding signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration, and Christos A. Makridis
  • “COVID-19 Regulations in Loco Moco” – James Bovard on the COVID-19 regulations in Montgomery County, Maryland, which more than justify its nickname: Loco Moco. For the AIER blog
  • “If I die of Corona, here’s what I want you to remember” – Author John Hopkins was ill for three weeks with COVID-19 symptoms, but now he’s getting out and about, living and thriving as a lockdown sceptic
  • “North Korea publicly executes a citizen by firing squad for breaking COVID-19 rules” – According to MailOnline a man accused of smuggling across the border with China was shot dead in order to scare people into following the rules
  • “Delta will become first U.S. airline to launch COVID-19 contact tracing programme” – From Axios, Airlines are getting into the contact tracing business
  • “COVID-19 immunity ‘could last three months after infection or vaccination’” – Sky News report on a paper considered by SAGE. That doesn’t sound long
  • “For The First Time, A US State Will Require Disclosure Of PCR ‘Cycle Threshold’ Data In COVID-19 Tests” – Good news. Florida requires data on a the cycle threshold, key to judging the results of a PCR test. From Zerohedge
  • “Eton College’s ‘woke agenda’ is ‘promoting one political ideology over another’ and could jeopardise the school’s charitable status, Free Speech Union warns” – A warning that Eton’s embrace of woke dogma could put its charitable status in jeopardy. You can read the Free Speech Union’s letter to Eton’s Fellows here.

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one today: “What A Fool Believes” by The Doobie Brothers

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, from the Mail on Sunday, Bernado’s strays from its charitable objects:

Britain’s biggest children’s charity was at the centre of a storm last night after it suggested parents and grandparents should teach children about white privilege. Barnardo’s was reported to the official charity regulator after Tory MPs claimed that its political activism could be incompatible with its charitable status. The attack came from a dozen MPs, including ex-Tory Cabinet Minister Esther McVey who spent four years in a Barnardo’s home.

But the charity hit back yesterday, with vice-president Dr David Barnardo saying the organisation could not be “colour blind”, and that “black, Asian and minority ethnic children face additional challenges”.

The row centres on new guidance from Barnado’s entitled White privilege: A guide for parents. Posted online a few weeks ago, it says: “We believe educating children about white privilege is a part of [teaching them about the world], and so is talking to them about how to be actively anti-racist.”

It adds: “You might have heard the phrase white privilege before. It’s very common across the pond in the US. You might also think that it doesn’t exist in the UK. But racism is very real here too.”

More than a dozen Tory MPs, including Sir John Hayes, chairman of the Common Sense group at Westminster, wrote to Barnardo’s Chief Executive Javed Khan warning that they had asked Charity Commission chairman Baroness Stowell to investigate whether this departure into political activism is compatible with Barnardo’s noble purpose and charitable status.

Barnardo’s said in a statement last night that throughout its 154-year history it had “constantly raised awareness of the plight of the most vulnerable children in society” and that it “wasn’t political activism to remove barriers for the most vulnerable children”.

But it added: “We certainly don’t believe Britain is racist or that anyone should feel guilt about being from a particular background.”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: David Goodhart, himself an old Etonian, has written a good piece for Unherd on “The trouble with woke Etonians“, a pattern he has encountered across the independent school sector.

The schools no longer think of themselves as conservative institutions training a ruling class to preserve a national heritage. They are now academic forcing houses attracting and producing a global elite of the “brightest and best”. They think of themselves as academic meritocracies, albeit with a bias towards the affluent, and are often in the vanguard of the most fashionable pedagogical and social trends.

Contemporary race-and gender-based progressivism is therefore no threat at all to the people running the schools, indeed it is positively welcomed by them. One can observe this in the kerfuffle surrounding the Eton master who has been sacked for explaining, and at least partially defending, the concept of patriarchy – it was the Eton authorities who intervened, not an uprising of radical pupils, and some parents and pupils have actually been protesting against the sacking. But in my experience of speaking at London private day schools and knowing plenty of young people who have emerged from them in recent years, progressive groupthink is the norm.

Worth reading in full

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels (attributed)

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

H.L. Mencken

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Toby recently took part in a panel discussion on free speech for the Freedom Association, along with Claire Fox and Nick Buckley, among others. You can watch it here.

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Nick Rose
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1st time first!

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annie
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Rose early?

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:o))

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I wonder if the MSM will report this and what Moderna has to say about it??
https://celebritiesdeaths.com/father-john-fields-death-dead-philadelphia-priest-who-was-part-of-modernas-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trials-has-died/?feed_id=11920&_unique_id=5fcc1dc902d0e
Father John Fields Death -Dead : Philadelphia priest who was part of Moderna’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials has died.
Father John Fields has died , according to the following statements posted on social media on December 5. 2020.
“Melody on Twitter: “A Philadelphia priest who was part of Moderna’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials has died. Father John Fields was first to volunteer when the University of Pa requested for people middle age to early 70s to participate in trials, according to Dialog Catholic News Service.”

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
5 years ago
Reply to  sam

A 70-year-old man in the USA has about a 1% chance of dying in the period since the trial started, and the Moderna trials involved 30,000 volunteers. One would expect about 100 deaths in a randomly selected group that size over the period since the trial began.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

so what you’re saying is it couldn’t possibly be a result of the vaccine?!

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
5 years ago
Reply to  sam

so what you’re saying is it couldn’t possibly be a result of the vaccine?!

No, of course not: I’m saying that one reported death gives very little statistical evidence either way. If 10% of the volunteers in their 70s had died by now, I would say there was very strong reason to investigate. As it is, the way. to find out whether it’s connected with the vaccine is to carry out actual tests.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

What all the trials should do (but won’t) is report the total number of people who have died of all causes having been in the control arm vs how many have died of all causes in the vaccine arm.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

That would be far too revealing.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

But the control group in the UK is receiving the meningitis vaccine! Not a placebo!!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

There are no details of any symptoms (or lack of) leading up to his death. Just to declare that he died is totally meaningless.

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Dale
Dale
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

Looks like healthy 70 year olds have approximately the same odds of being felled by the vaccine than by Covid.

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
5 years ago
Reply to  Dale

Funnily enough, that’s more or less the case in the UK. In most adult age groups, the additional risk of death from Covid per day was roughly 60% of normal mortality.

That’s leads to a, very much back-of-envelope calculations that the additional of death risk from 5 days social mixing at Christmas is equal to about 3 days normal risk.

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J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

Statistics aside, will they and the MSM disclose the cause of death?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Why would they?

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

we stil hvaen’t had the cause confirmed in the BRazilian death either. THe media said he was in the control group (meningitis vaccine?) but it was not conirmed as the study was ongoing. We need to know

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

Not sure about that. Firstly, the trial was for people from middle age to early 70s, not hustlers people in their seventies, so that should lower the expectation. Secondly, surely most people who die at age 70 will have been seriously ill with a variety of conditions eg cancer, heart disease, diabetes,Parkinson’s etc for several weeks or months. I think it highly unlikely that seriously ill people would have been chosen for a vaccine trial. So the real measure here would be how many people aged 70 who have not been seriously ill previously would be likely to die in the relevant period of however many weeks. I would suggest the figure would be a lot lower than 1%, maybe more like 0.1 % .

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

hustlers! Lol fat finger syndrome – should be “just”!

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

What was the age range and distribution of the volunteers, and how many others have died?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  sam

He may have done the world a service by being killed by the vaccine, but I can’t help feeling that he was just a silly old fool.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

and here’s a video from a group of doctors
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/ask-the-experts-covid-19-vaccine-now-banned-on-youtube-and-facebook_qIsNohSIeSgfz2J.html

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Professor Lim said age was the single most important factor in the estimated risk of mortality, and everyone in the country older than 50 will be vaccinated by the end of phase one.

Whether they like it or not?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I’ll take my chances without (am 54).

Right-o, off to work!

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Not for long your not you will soon need your vaccine passport to leave the house

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

I have still got a scrappy bit of paper issued to me by the NHS listing the various inoculation I had received in the 1960s, never had to show it to anyone as I recall.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

With all this talk of vaccine certificates and testing certificates, if I find I need one? I am pinning my hopes on some enterprising young IT wizz kids in Lagos or Mumbai coming up with a range of fake certificates and scam documentation. There is already a big black market in Africa for fake Yellow Fever vaccination cards and you can buy a Covid test result in Bangladesh. Surely somebody, somewhere is already working on this?

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

A fake vax card is already jokingly being talked about. By absolute sheer coincidence, of course, I published the photo of the governments vax card on an anti-Lockdown Facebook group I am an admin. of – just out of interest you unnerstand.

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Quernus
Quernus
5 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

Which group is that, Eliza? I’d like to join if I’m not already a member 🙂

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Can they extract fluids or otherwise examine people to see if they have actually been vaccinated?

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Just Stop it Now
Just Stop it Now
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

‘Extract fluids’? That’s what the government have been doing to all of us since March 2020! I prefer to call it ‘taking the p***’!

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Andrew K
Andrew K
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Unfortunately it will all be based on blockchain technology making it almost impossible to use a fake pass. Remember this will all be digital ID. It will be scanned at airports or even train ticket barriers. Blockchain will ensure each and every pass will be unique.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

That assumes everyone has a smart phone young enough to carry the pass. Many sceptics will either say they haven’t got such a phone or will genuinely not own one, don’t you think?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

They’ve already said there’d be paper ones. Can’t expect 80 year old pensioners choosing between food and heating to cough up for a smartphone so they can prove they’ve been given the mark of the beast.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

My daughter at age 15 used to have a fake Irish driving licence indicating she was 19…it was replete with misspelling of licence as in American English.

The cards will be easily forgeable I suspect but a digital passport linked to your phone could be a lot more secure.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The east european organised criminals will be all over it. Relax.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

me too, was remembering reading about all the forged papers used by the french resistance .

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

That may come, but it will need some big changes to make it legal, but give it a year or so and those who have been vaccinated will not be going anywhere, either.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I’m also happy to take my chances and am absolutely fuming that because I’m 60 will probably going be hounded and hunted by the NHS to have this damn vaccine. This is despite not being overweight or having any health problems whatsoever and in fact I’m a lot fitter then some people half my age.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

My first thought also but as the full roll out keeps getting pushed back at least there might be a chance of short term side effects emerging before compulsion becomes reality.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I don’t think anyone who isn’t considered clinically vulnerable will ever get this jab and only a small number of them will get this before it is withdrawn because it kills people. Whether they will be able to get people to then take the Astra Zeneca jab will be interesting.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Phase 1 will probably last up to next Christmas.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

The Telegraph are reporting that immunity as a result of the vaccine might only last three months, so if it takes that long they’ll have to just keep vaccinating the same people over and over again.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Forth Road bridge vaccinations.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Such a system seems unworkable to me and likely to collapse if they attempt it.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Totally agree, but it means the idea of vaccinating the whole country is a non-starter. Julia Hartley-Brewer was interviewing a doctor the other day and he reckoned it would take 23 months to do that. Even if the Telegraph claims are incorrect, we couldn’t afford nearly two years more of repression.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

My MP assured me that Richi Satan’s furlough scheme will save the economy.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Another Boris bridge? Makes the Scotland-to-Ireland one sound quite feasible.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

No, it’s authorised as an ’emergency’.

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CarrieAH
CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Well I won’t be, so that’s not “everyone” . And I know I’m not alone. A risky vaccine containing god knows what – or a tiny chance of catching a virus with a 99.96% chance of survival? Easy choice.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

They can do one!! My body My freakin choice!

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Yes, I noticed that. What happened to ‘offer’.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I have no intention of becoming a crash test dummy for this bunch of Dr Frankenstein’s…. I am 67 and I am 95% sure I contracted this virus back in early January. Flu like symptoms and a persistent cough that wouldn’t shift for a few weeks. We thought it was just another bug that was going around after Christmas. Many of my friends both younger and older had similar symptoms and our immune systems successfully fought it off. I consider that I have got a fairly good natural immunity for my age, and I am probably an early contributor to heard immunity. I am a survivor of the great cholesterol & statins con six years ago. So I am very wary when these so called “experts”* say that everyone over the age of 60 should be mass medicated or vaccinated. I have no intention of accepting an experimental vaccination. The benefits of which are dubious to say the least and far outweighed by the unknown risks of an incompletely tested vaccine. My immune system works well enough for me with a daily supplement of 4000 iu vitamin D3. *expert – Noun – X the unknown quantity spurt a drip under… Read more »

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Worried me too!

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PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The only people who won’t have a choice are the people who have been abandoned in care homes by their children.

It looks like the UK Government backed out of sticking the needle to NHS staff first because of the size of the refusal.

Forget Dangerous Infertility Causing Vaccines, Covid-19 Is Prevented By The Humble Pineapple (Say Researchers)

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Message to Professor Lim: fuck off, we won’t all be vaccinated, you presumptive little twat. I haven’t had and won’t have the flu vaccine. I won’t have this one either, thanks. I’ll trust to my natural immunity and once that packs up I’ll know it’s time to die.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

The immunity passport bit made my laugh. Not a “funny haha” laugh, but a “these people are insane haha” laugh. Think about it: They caught on to the idea that people will not accept restrictions based on vaccination. It will not happen (at least, for now). So, ok, let’s settle for less. If we can’t impose this on all people, what the next largest population that we can target amidst a pandemic that barely affects anyone? I know! People that have not had the virus! So in a world where getting the virus is pretty rare, your only other option is to get a vaccine. These people… i swear. They could give lessons on evil machinations to Machiavelli himself.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

We are just being treated like livestock now.

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Cheshire Andy
Cheshire Andy
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Correct, that’s exactly the way the (real) perpetrators of this scam view us.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Doesn’t help that many people are behaving like sheep.

Actually, sheep are quite intelligent, so that’s an insult to the real sheep.

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Klaus does what he is told.
The Emperor of China does what he likes

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Machiavelli was also clear that a prince was not his preferred form of government. He wanted a republican system.

Yes, he would be much better than the twots we’ve got in the current situation.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Very interesting and exactly on spot comment. More nations are bound to go into that road. Eastern European nations(first those outside EU) would be highest on the list among the developed nations outside the third world. There are many precedents incl. in Ethiopia where a certain Dr Teodoros, health minister at the time, covered up cholera outbreaks stamping them childhood diarrhoea.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Are they still building a coal power plant every week in China?

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Is that Santa Klaus?

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago

Some of us aren’t going to the shops because of the ridiculous rules and restrictions.
I’m not scared of the virus or other people but I don’t want to be harangued for not wearing a mask, I don’t want to do a stupid dance with people trying to distance from them and I don’t want to be cattle herded round a one way system or whatever other nonsense is put in place.

Lift all restrictions and declare the virus ‘defeated’ and you’ll begin to see the retail sector revive much quicker.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Same for me – I go to our local Co-op where they’re not anal about masks. I wear a lanyard downloaded from the gov. site. It is specifically non-medical as I won’t lie. Very occasionally we go to a garden centre/farm shop nearby. I try to be smiley to the zombie maskoids just to make the point that masks are abnormal, etc. Mostly, I just want to take a baseball bat to their masks. (Did I say that out loud?)
Our shopping is all bare minimum stuff now. I will not go shopping for any non-essentials or to a pub or restaurant or cafe or hairdresser until masks are voluntary. I think you’re right, to be honest, and we aren’t alone in our dislike (for me, hatred) of the ridiculous shenanigans one is expected to employ in shops. If it stops you and me shopping, it stops others, too.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Hatred, yes. I never go near a shop unless I have to, and then it will be a shop that I know is run by humans, even if forcibly nappied. But I can’t get away from the nauseating nappyzombies.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I never knew I could loathe something so much! Just one glimpse of a mask and I can feel my BP rising. My long-suffering husband tries various ways to calm me down so that now, he’s more of a handler than a husband. Poor thing…

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Yes, me too. It’s odd isn’t it. I just can’t stand them. If I was overtly religious I’d think Satan had won. 

Masks stand for everything we shouldn’t be as human beings: blind compliance; virtue signalling; cowardice (especially cowardice); herd mentality; scientific ignorance; gullibility … the list goes on. 

I HATE MASKS. And I can’t even bring myself to look at anyone who’s wearing one, or at least to take them seriously.  

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Agree , blind compliance in a Labrador, great – in human beings?? Shudder.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I think the ones I hate most of all are the ‘pretty’ patterned ones because the wearers have validated masks by actually choosing a pattern. At least the hideous blue things look like they’ve been bought as a ‘oh well, if I have to I’ll buy this cheap pack’ type of thing. A curse on the all!

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

No, the pretty patterned ones are easier to make slits and holes in so you can breathe😊.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Why don’t you just not wear one?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Agreed and I have never worn a mask or been challenged. I guess it helps to be seventy something, even if I don’t think I look that decrepit.

The main problem with masks, is that other people still wear them, clearly showing a level of stupidity and a lack of awareness that has to be seen to be believed.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Hehe.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

That’s true. ‘Look at me in my pretty patterned mask. Aren’t I a good person with good fashion taste …’.

Actually the ones I hate the most are the big black things – I guess the latent perverts wear those.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Yep, I hate those pervert black ones as well. Mind you, I watched a big chap lumber out of his car, head for the shop and fish out the filthiest ‘white’ rag from his pocket. Honestly don’t know which was worse – black pervert or filthy white.

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Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

My husband was issued with them in the Tesco warehouse where he works about 3 weeks ago. He has to wear one in corridors etc. but not in general. He got given 4 I think. He has yet to give me one to wash!!! And as for the one he keeps in the car….

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Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

I sew a lot but I refused to make them from the beginning. I hate seeing the adverts on Facebook etc. for these oh-so-pretty masks. I’ve always thought that if the government wants us to wear them then they should provide them, free of charge, and just the blue ones. I look round the shops where virtually everyone is wearing one and think – do all these people really think they are doing some good? Or are they just wearing them because they’ve been told to? I think the latter in many cases. In which case all they have to do is stop wearing them! I have never worn one and the only shops where I have had trouble were charity shops. Never in the supermarkets.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Same

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Feel every bit as strongly myself…..and what I am increasingly noticing is how they are becoming normalised in the media. You cant switch on a computer and go to your e mail page without seeing some masked politician or celebrity and they are increasingly used in adverts on TV. Many TV adverts use cartoon characters now as they are cheaper than people and I even saw a cartoon character with a mask on on one.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I was horrified to get a Christmas card from an American blog buddy showing a masked cat!

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Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The other day I saw a photo of a smiling pleasant faced unmasked woman and I found myself thinking that there was something odd about her, and then I realized that she wasn’t wearing a mask and that I had become so conditioned to seeing people in masks that I instinctively thought it was odd that she wasn’t….

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

i’m so glad im not alone in my insane hatred of the masks , i keep getting presents of mask s but thye go right in the bag to give away or maybe fabric recycle is better use

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I HATE MASKS TOO. Many excellent comments here, and I agree totally with so many of them.
i also can’t stand the Gessler’s hat rejoinder, “stay safe”. Why don’t they just say Heil Hitler? Brainwashed idiots.

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Music girl
Music girl
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

I feel like this about seeing people rubbing sanitiser over their hands, I don’t know why but it gives me chronic stresses, makes me feel really queezy. I’ve always felt odd about rubbing of hands (I work at shows where people try hand cream at a neighbouring stand and that gives me the heeby jeebies!) so I’m often found in the street with my eyes shut until the offending hand rubber gets on their bike or on the bus and out of vision. Perhaps I’m just odd like that…

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Music girl

Echoes of Lady Macbeth and the guilt I posted about on here a couple of days ago.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Music girl

Observing other people in the grip of a trauma-induced OCD can indeed be very unsettling.

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Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
5 years ago
Reply to  Music girl

I hate that too, and the smell, and the feel of it on supermarket trolleys that have been done.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

I too experienced “The Rage” while out with the family shopping on Saturday. It started off well enough with a a stop at a small chain coffee house. But The Rage soon built up as I watched the supine gullibility of the British public go through the parody, the pantomime and pretence of mask wearing. Watching people come and go, pulling the rancid thing out of their pockets and wear it just to get served then taking it off again. I noticed that one woman’s mask was missing an ear loop and she felt that it was acceptable to just clamp the thing to her mouth with her gloved hand. Of the four staff behind the counter only one was unmasked but I did have a very pleasant conversation about masks with the young girl that made my coffee. I asked her to pull her mask down so that I could here her properly, which she did. Then admitted that she hated the thing and that she had severe asthma. I told her to claim an exemption as I do for asthma but she just replied that it was easier to comply. My wife, a quasi-sceptic doesn’t like the mask… Read more »

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Great,I’m doing research into why people want to wear them and you’ve helped! Cheers

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Mrs Two-Six literally won’t let me go out alone. Seriously.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

The red mist descends, does it? 😉

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Reading your comments is just like listening to myself!

In my case it’s my wife who has to act as the handler….

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Oh yes, 3.5 seconds……perhaps 4

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

They always look so bloody miserable too……and boy do they give you a dirty look for never wearing one lol.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The dirty look behind a mask isn’t too intimidating, whereas the unmasked can return that dirty look with added interest.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

How can you tell ?

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Yet note the guy in the article was still under this illusion that shops need to make people feel safe to make them return. When will they wake up that, for most, it is the restrictions that are putting people off. So they add more…

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I think, if I hear the word ‘safe’ once more, I’ll scream! Double grrrrrr!

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

People signing off emails ‘stay safe’. Oh crikey, I was actually going to jump out of a plane without a parachute until you told me to stay safe.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Always makes me want to do something mad like hurling myself in front of a lorry or throw myself off a cliff, just to do the opposite of staying safe! I hate those ads that include the phrase ‘to help you shop safely’. I say ‘hate’ a lot these days. Not good. There’s a lot to hate at the moment.

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Ed Turnbull
Ed Turnbull
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Yes, that grinds my gums too. Some months ago I received an advertising email from a local car dealer (I’d visited them before the coronabollocks began to enquire about a new car) informing me of all the measures they had in place to ensure my ‘safety’. I responded by pointing out that as long as they could warrant their showroom was free of snipers, IEDs and armed insurgents I’d hold their duty toward my safety to be discharged. I also pointed out that so long as they continued to perform their ridiculous pantomime in fealty to The Narrative they’d not be seeing a single pound of my hard-earned. I never received a reply. Funny that.

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Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Or when you’re in a shop and you hear, yet again, “We’re doing all we can to keep you safe”.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Proudtobeapeasant

It makes me want to carry either a machete or an AK-47. If I here that phrase or a variation thereof, I either want to stab or shoot them.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

There are signs in my city centre saying amongst other things “Avoid touching your face”. You can guess what I do when I see them.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

I’ve replaced “safe” with “sane” and I make sure I let people know it’s not a typo.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Back in July, I think it was July, when mortality rates were at their lowest, it seemed inexplicable to me that the P.M went on a photo opportunity shoot round various shops in his constituency wearing a mask. This was softening the public up for the great mask wearing mandate.

Then I perceived a justification for it. Not enough people were shopping. They’d be become too fearful. Masks would give them courage to enter. Yea, I believe it was one of the justifications given to the preamble to the required legislation.

What a malevolent gene has been let out the bottle.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

I also only go food shopping – maskless and usually give the zombies a fixed stare followed by either a shake of my head or eye ball roll. I’ve only been to a few pubs since March largely because I don’t want to leave my name and phone number. Fortunately my phone is so ancient I can’t download the app.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Mmm, me too. That’s what I do on my unsmiley baseball bat days. Do they get it, though? Probably not.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

That’s me too! Muzzle free and able to issue a Paddington Stare at the faceless zombies! I’m thinking I will start going to the pub again; if asked for my details I will say no and ask them if they want my business or not… will be an interesting experiment.

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Keen Cook
Keen Cook
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

I agree. Other than to the big retailer (in the UK) who happily gave me the sunflower lanyard on July 23rd I haven’t been to another -out of the village -shop – my butcher in the village is a sceptic and Talk radio fan so we have lots of good rants when he’s quiet; fish man that delivers my fresh fish from Grimsby market (still open – just) in a van and my hairdresser (when she’s allowed to open) respects my non-mask exemption. Until I can walk around freely I can’t be bothered with all the hostility and gloom.

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Andrew K
Andrew K
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Perhaps this is exactly what the behavior therapist at sage had predicted and planned for. Win/Win for them and their great reset plan. Either you’re faceless, dehumanised gormless arsehole or like you and me you avaoid the shops because of these restrictions. Isn’t that what they want. Destroy all small business.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

That’s been my take on it.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

I did a YouGov poll the other day where one question was, ‘When I see people wearing masks outside, I feel…….’ The options were Anxious, Comforted and Other. There was no Incandescent Rage option!
Clearly trying to normalise the ridiculous things outside.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

I go shopping unmasked every day and apart from the odd jealous glance there is no hostility.
Exterior queues and observation of one way systems have disappeared.
The more of us out there the quicker this nonsense will end completely.

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Alcina Ward
Alcina Ward
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Same. Mind you, I no longer make eye contact – can’t be bothered. My husband tells me I get glared at. I’m usually looking after my one & three year olds anyway. One thing I loved about moving north was the friendliness – no more. None of those impromptu chats in the supermarket.

I’ve been challenged twice: both times by a certain type of middle-aged man. Fortunately I’m hard to intimidate; smile benignly and ignore.

I see fewer and fewer people without masks, even outside. The more middle class the shop, the more masks: my local Aldi better than the market town.

Please go out without masks.

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Sylvia Priest
Sylvia Priest
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

Yes, never wear a mask. Usually try to encourage removal when people in fresh air. Half the time they keep them on as they are on way to another shop. There is no fun in shopping anymore as mentioned but we have to keep trying so that normality can return and to try to help local shops. Small things like removing huge signs saying wear a masked might help.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

I received an email from a garden centre I have a loyalty card with. Hurray! Our cafe is now open again, they trilled, then followed that with a list of rules to be adhered to, one of which was that masks must be worn except when seated at the table. I emailed them and said they had no mention of mask exemptions, and did that mean I wouldn’t be welcome? No, I was very welcome, it seems. So why don’t they state that? My husband thinks it’s because it’s easier to say masks rather than get into discussions about who is exempt, etc.. He could have a point. He’s usually pretty sensible about stuff. I am amazed by the number of people who are in ignorance of the mask exemption rules ie you do not necessarily need to be medically exempt, just freaked out by them.

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Lili
Lili
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

All they have to say is ‘masks must be worn unless you are exempt’ and then provide the link to the government web page. So many businesses are going to go under because of their own stupidity.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Lili

Yes, it’s amazing the lack of nous from some businesses. The big stores sussed it pretty quick though.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Exemptions should be posted in all retail, surely more business for them.

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Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
5 years ago
Reply to  Suze Burtenshaw

Yes agree. I don’t think many people have bothered to read the government guidelines, which provide anyone with an excuse not to wear one if they don’t want to.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

We should not wear masks. We should not wear lanyards (nor yellow stars, pink triangles or any other emblem with which nazis would want to stigmatise us). We should not say “stay safe”. We should not say Heil Hitler.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

i’ve been snarling going by those signs but now you gave me a better idea [ and arnie did too weeks ago ] i ‘m going to try my best to cut the plastic things holding up a sign i saw in a park , i hope no one will see me !

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

“I’ve been challenged twice: both times by a certain type of middle-aged man.”

Me too, it’s bizarre!

“Please go out without masks.” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Me too. My only challenge was on the first day of mandatory masks in shops when some self-righteous middle-aged man at the checkout said sarcastically, “You’ve forgotten your mask!”, to which I replied, “No I haven’t. I’m not wearing one as a political protest.” Poor fella almost had a stroke at the idea of somebody exercising their rights.

Since then, absolutely nothing. Not a single challenge, barely a glance in fact.

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Music girl
Music girl
5 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

I’m on the bus now maskless ✊

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Coronabonus
Coronabonus
5 years ago
Reply to  Music girl

You go, Music Girl!

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

I never wear one and have almost got to the stage where I look forward to any confrontation. I have been challenged twice….funnily enough both times by a middle aged gentleman in a very disapproving voice. Both times I just calmly asked him if he was an on duty police officer. They have to say no of course….then I just smile sweetly and say in that case I am sorry but I am not answerable to you and walk away leaving them fuming.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Nice one. Wear your barefaced smile with pride!

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

Virtue-signallers are the enemy of humanity. The good Nazis

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This is true in my experience too. It’s annoying seeing all the masked up faces but aside from one idiot on day one of the mask rules, nobody has ever really batted an eyelid at my lack of mask or observance of stupid systems.

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Jane G
Jane G
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Approve wholeheartedly but haven’t yet summoned the nerve to try going barefaced in shops. How do you handle the inevitable ‘selfish’ comment?
(Had a blissful visit to hairdressers the other day where most sat unmasked)

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Just do it. No one cares, and even if anyone does say anything they’ve abrogated what it is to be a human being, and therefore don’t count.

Seriously, just do it. You’ll feel two feet taller – go on, try it, and you’ll see what I mean.

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Jane G
Jane G
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Ok – here goes; post office first!

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

I look forward to the report!

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Jane G
Jane G
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

There was a huge queue outside the P.O with plenty all pre-masked and ready; the doorway had about 3 notices requiring masks on before entry. I was feeling v nervous and churned up but I was listening to Hitchens on iromg thro’ my headphones which stiffened my resolve, and LS comrades on my phone in pocket. Gawd! I was scared – but I cheerfully asked for my stamps and to post some airmail cards and the assistant didn’t bat an eyelid, and was nice. Was looked at by the queue as I left and stood outside sticking on the stamps as my heart rate stabilised. Will try supermarket maskless in evening when they will be less likely to give a stuff.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

See, it’s easy. No one bothers. Absolutely no need to feel nervous at all. You’re a human being, and the rest of them are I don’t-know-what, but that’s up to them, their choice.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Good luck…honestly jane its no big deal and boy it feels better and you can look in pity at the others who wear them!

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Andrew K
Andrew K
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Just tell them that 2 million years of human evolution is all you need to trust.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Just tell anyone who challenges you that you are (exempt and that, as such, you are) following the law and the science.

You can add an ‘I am not sure what you do’ or ‘contrary to you’, if you want to sow confusion or provoke a further confrontation….

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

I’ve never had a comment – that I’ve been aware of.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

It really does start to feel a lot easier once you’ve been in a few shops unmasked. I do make eye contact with people as you look much more of a victim if you avert your gaze and go around with your head cowed. People will use the bully mentality and are more likely to pick on someone who looks unassertive.

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Arkansas
Arkansas
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

I do make eye contact with people as you look much more of a victim if you avert your gaze and go around with your head cowed. People will use the bully mentality and are more likely to pick on someone who looks unassertive. Right. You wanna “radiate”, as per Michael Chekhov’s acting technique. Although intended for actors, the technique is very much applicable to everyday life rather than just to “acting” (as is Andre Bernard’s work which makes a good companion). Worth a look. It’s essentially about “directing” yourself using imagination rather than muscular manipulation, which sounds unconvincing as a concept but the exercises clarify things if you actually do them (chapter four in Lenard Petit’s book). It’s actually what you do anyway, but generally unwittingly and inefficiently. In the case of “radiating”, you kinda “expand yourself” mentally out in all directions, expand your “presence”, and have that movement sort of be continuous. You may be surprised at how others respond. It’s intended for theatre performances, to “radiate out” your performance into the audience, opening up your attention and your movements out to them, but it has a similar effect in normal circumstances too. Well, I say “normal” circumstances.… Read more »

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

same with me but it doesn’t mean anything. Just because you now feel comfortable mask-less while shopping that this is going away any time soon. They expected a number of people not too that’s why the exemptions are so easy. They did that for us because they know we will not wear the mask but we’ll still have to do what they want anyway. That way we remain calm and not a threat. I don’t think it’s going away for many many years. A world wide change is coming and it’s not gonna be nice.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

There’s much in what you say, and it’s often occurred to me. The exemptions are so easy muzzles are in effect voluntary. That leaves me quite complacent about the whole thing – I just go about my business maskless without bothering anyone. So I’m not a threat to them.

If we we in somewhere like France or Aus or one of those countries where they actually enforce it, it would give me a kick and ensure I was much more active and calculated and devious in subverting this garbage.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Have to agree with you there Mr Biker. The medical tyrants think they have us by the short and curlies now and they aint going to want to let go any time soon.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

They have been building up their power base for many years and the majority of the population approved their every move.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

You’re right.

However, signalling your confidence in your immune system and showing you aren’t afraid to be non-compliant is at least a start in getting some people to look elsewhere for what might really be going on.
Naturally, I don’t refer to the lost causes!

I think reminding people of normalcy is crucial.

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EllGee
EllGee
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Haven’t worn a mask (except for once and that was for my husband’s cancer appointment) and as the weeks have gone by have discovered I miss shopping less and less. Go to the supermarket but this time of the year serious shopping would normally be happening. Done it all online. Shan’t go general shopping again until the mask signs have gone

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

I’ve never worn a face covering in the shops, but I’ve changed my shopping habits, not to the retailers’ benefit. I used to dip into the supermarket every other day, buying the essentials of bread, milk etc. as and when needed. Now I just do a couple of larger food shoppings per week, so fewer impulse buys (not that I’m much prone to that anyway). And very occasional shopping for clothes. Today I bought some Christmas presents at various shops in the indoor centre. Some half-hearted attempts at one-way systems at entry and exit to the larger shops. I’ve never been challenged for not having a mask – I do have the blue & yellow exemption card from the government website, printed on paper and attached by me to a plastic card from elsewhere. I maintain a friendly demeanour towards the maskies in shops, though sometimes I aim a dirty look at outside wearers.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Well said. Ditto those that have dystopian rules such as no touching or no trying on of clothes. How the heck are you supposed to know if it fits you or not? Hence why John Lewis lost out on a big sale from me – I needed a coat but couldn’t try any so in the end I went to eBay & bought a vintage one for less than my set budget. Even the alterations meant that I still spent far less than I intended to.

Most of my Christmas shopping is being done online and I’m sticking to a few tried and tested shops to keep myself sane. I’ve avoided my local M&S since that run in with that harridian and boycott those that have signs that say “No Mask, No Service.”

I don’t understand why retailers don’t fight back. Especially the big ones – they have the clout and legal muscle to be able to do so. Instead its left to the likes of small businesses doing the push back while the likes of John Lewis and M&S do nothing. They will eventually pay for their cowardice.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Agree. I’ve been seeing more and more staff now not wearing masks even before the second lockdown and during my last shopping trip it seems to have increased.

Social media shaming has also played a part. The likes of Asda having gotten into trouble for harassing a man with dementia along with the threat of boycott and litigation would have very likely too put the fear of God into head office and this has been communicated to managers and staff.

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AfterAll
AfterAll
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Asda treats its staff appallingly, there was that case last year of the disabled cashier who was fired for posting a Billy Connolley video lampooning religion on his personal Facebook account. Boycott.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Exactly. Only the likes of Luke Johnson, Rocco Forte and that Weatherspoons bloke has spoken out. The fact that many stores are empty despite the Christmas rush demonstrates people voting with their feet against all these nonsense.

Even the major museums and venues as well have been conspicuous by their silence that’s why Brendan Cole’s comments were very much welcome. He seems to be the only one from the performing arts sector that’s not popular music that has broken ranks.

And your last sentence reminds me of that exchange I had with a visitor the other day:

Me: Would you like a free multi-media guide?

Visitor: Yes please. Is it clean?

Me (shrugs): Yeah, can’t see any dust. Can you?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

He looked rather surprised. The fact that I had a cloth in my hand should have been a dead giveaway.

It would depress me if a regular customer did that because of the insinuation. I can see why you were annoyed.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It will be decided that we’re scared of the virus rather than refusal to obey the stupid rules.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I need some formal shirts and trousers this week. Any attitude from staff at Next I’ll be straight next door to TKMax, after that ? Well there’s always Primark.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think the large stores wont fight back because its taking small businesses out of the market, which they are happy with.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

True but that’s not necessarily working in their favour. Look at all the major retailers that have gone bust or are in danger.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes in the gym I go to, everyone sprays down the equipment after use. And then you still get people wiping it down before they use it!! Christo how clean do you want it?

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Silke david
Silke david
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

At my local supermarket there is a person offering “clean” trolleys during busy times. I always decline and I want a “dirty” one, as I react allergic. I make a point of telling them!

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes its a few brave small trader heroes. Maybe big business just thinks it will gain from less competition but even their big stores will be destroyed by the switch to online shopping. I feel very sorry for the workers at these stores but have total contempt for the top managers who have zealously enforced the rules.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

She’s obviously heard lots of people (well, us) using the phrase “stick your virus up your arse”, except she only heard the “up your arse” bit, and thinks that’s how you catch it. 😉

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AfterAll
AfterAll
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

There is no evidence that it cannot be caught that way.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I have written back to one of those hotels that whined about being forced to close, stating that they only have to blame themselves and their trade body bosses, if and as they didn’t storm the barricades, but preferred to get bought abd corrupt instead.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Boycott Amazaon!

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Bugger stores! sound intriguing.. I think…

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Here, here. I haven’t been in a shop for months. Not because I’m scared, it is because, if somebody said something to me about not wearing a mask they would be looking for thier head. So for the sake of joe public and i dont want a criminal record, i avoid shops.

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Same here, I’ve never been a violent person but I do feel such disgust for pathetic masked up dupes. Particularly putting the stupid thing on as they get out of the car well before the shop entrance! I don’t get it how are so many quite so stupid and unquestioning?

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CarrieAH
CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  KBuchanan

I haven’t been into a shop since forced muzzling became a thing. I had to wear one on a plane in the summer and felt so ill with a raging sore throat by the time I landed, that I vowed never again. I won’t shop in person until they are thrown in the dustbin of history. I feel sad for places which have to
impose this nonsense but I’m not taking part. It’s the only way to make sure this stops as soon as possible.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Yes I had to wear one on a aeroplane, over your nose sir!! It was then I discovered I was a shallow mouth breather and I really struggled to get enough air in. Then they bought food around and I managed to make that last till we landed. I used to love shopping but now only go to outside based shops rather than mall’s. They seem more accepting of the I am exempt line.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  KBuchanan

Theyre brain dead. 😷

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

Same. I HAVE to stay away from maskers otherwise things are going to go badly for me and the maskers. Guaranteed.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Every nappied face is a reminder of the power of evil of this despicable facist regime.

Our blood boils at the sight of it because we haven’t been brainwashed like the masked moron masses.

Every day the government lies to us and the Covidians lap it up. I didn’t know I could hate so many people so much. The well of anger inside me is beginning to manifest as a huge weight in my chest. Trying to keep it at bay 24/7 but it’s not easy.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I was angry as fuck for most of the day yesterday. Kept at bay but as you say like a tight knot in my chest….I totally agree about how face nappies are such an outward signal of compliance with this vile fascist covidian agenda.
Bastards

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Latest crap from a SAGE member “January could see a “severe peak” of coronavirus infections if we “take our foot off the pedal”, a Sage scientist has warned, as he called crowded Christmas shopping scenes “concerning”.
The pandemic is “certainly not all over”, Professor Andrew Hayward, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at University College London (UCL) and a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said. 
Prof Hayward said he is “concerned” about scenes of crowded shopping streets and malls, adding: “We still have the winter to get through, which is likely to be the time that is most favourable for Covid transmission”.
“We could still see very severe peak, particularly in January, is when I predict that would be most likely if we take our foot off the pedal on this.
“And that would be so sad considering we’re going to be in a stage where we can protect the most vulnerable during December, January, February and start to get back to normal in late Spring, early summer,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.”

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Pure unadulterated evil.

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Did it never occur to these idiots that if they shut everything for a month up to December, then when it came to December and the literally non-movable feast of Christmas, everybody was going to be crammed into the shops together (which doesn’t bother me by the way but their logic is useless). Same as when during first lockdown they shut all the open spaces and tried to stop us going into parks, so that everybody was jostling together on the pavements when they dared to leave the house to stretch their legs. If they’d kept everything open, we’d actually have found it easier to keep away from each other.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Here are the rules! You can go out and shop. Oh wait, not all of you!! What you have forgot its Christmas and people have been under house arrest for a month. Them poor bastards who have set up that Christmas market, to have it cancelled after one day because!!! People turned up. These sage arseholes and local councils have no idea how much work and cost is involved in doing this sort of thing and you can just end it because of photos taken to make it look like people are closer together than they are. Oooh people are not social distancing. Well stay at home you twat and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Nothing else matters to myopic medical scientists…the economy, freedom etc. Thats why they should never be handed carte blanch power.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

What a prat. You have been warning of this since the beginning of September, 4000 deaths, remember. And still fuck all happens. Why don’t these journalists do their job and challenge this bullshit.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Wasn’t it 4000 deaths a day?

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

They’re not scientists. They’re psycho, sadistic fascism enablers.

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Just Stop it Now
Just Stop it Now
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Ed, you simply won’t be ‘harangued for not wearing a mask’. Very,very unlikely in my experience. At the very most you might be politely asked at the door. Simply smile and breeze through, or tell them, politely, that you are exempt. Its the fact that shoppers rarely see anyone unmasked that is reinforcing the message.

Get out there bare-faced and proud folks!

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Just Stop it Now

You could simply say you have a rabbit’s foot in your pocket.

No member of the public has challenged me, only staff at the entrance and not recently. A chat with an ex-prison officer doorman at one supermarket revealed that he hated wearing one and seemed to know the problems associated with them. He said he also hated to see old people so scared as they approached the entrance.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Just Stop it Now

My experience also.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

On the question of challenges https://fullfact.org/online/equality-act-face-mask-discrimination/ says that it is myth that anyione challlenging can get fined .So it says that
“The government advice is not to challenge people to wear a face covering. This is for GOOD REASON. If you do so, you and your employees may be PERSONALLY LIABLE for AN OFFENCE liable on a summary conviction to pay a fine of up £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010. 
“AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010” is NOT correct.
So that green lights challenges but it then says “Correction 3 November 2020
This story has been updated to clarify that members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing face coverings.” I can’t see that update reflected in what it says.
I’m sure that there has been a site called “facts not fiction” that laid out the position ( I may be misrembering the name) -can anyone recall it please?

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Cbird
Cbird
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Someone asked about this blog. Link attached
https://www.laworfiction.com/

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

That’s it . Thanks

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

If someone gets in your way verbally just say clearly “I have exempted myself” cos that’s what the gov.uk says you can do.You don’t need a card. If they ask twice, they are breaching the 1997 Harassment Act, a criminal offence.

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nootnoot
nootnoot
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

I’m taking steps to going maskless now. Have bought a thin scarf which i can use as a face covering should i need to rather than wrap something round my ears.
At the weekend i filled up with fuel and tried using the scarf. Unfortunately i need a bit of practice as it slid down when i walked in the shop. However i was greated by two cashiers both maskless and no one said a thing. On my way out a lady came in also maskless. It felt amazing!
I’m confident i can go maskless there but the next step is supermarkets. I’m going to try it in a coop perhaps this week so i shall report how that goes.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  nootnoot

Well done for having a go!
It gets easier every time.
Hold your head high and be confident. You’ll be fine.
Wear your smile with pride.

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Staincliffe
Staincliffe
5 years ago
Reply to  nootnoot

Supermarkets are not a problem, honestly. The staff know not to challenge anyone. I go several times a week to a large Sainsbury’s. At the start of mask mandate I was asked a few times if I needed a mask in case I’d forgotten mine. A smile and a shake of the head was enough to stop it there. Only on one occasion were they a bit more insistent (but not at all in an aggressive way) and I just told them quietly that I had ‘a condition’. Not had a word since in dozens of visits. When I encounter other shoppers that I know, they look a bit surprised as I don’t think they had ever thought of me previously as a subversive rebel.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  nootnoot

A buff is useful, as a half hearted gesture..

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  nootnoot

Just exempt yourself

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Yes same with me…not remotely concerned about the virus. Just find the whole shopping experience utterly depressing with all the masks and nonsense. When I do go out I head for the woods or the countryside…at least you tend not to see any out there other than the odd loony masked cyclist.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Yep, there is a sane zone at the coast. From the sea to the front things are pretty much normal. That’s been our outing of choice.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

All you have to do to beat the virus is stop testing for it. Hey presto its gone and seasonal flu makes a not so grand re-entrance. They’ve been taking the piss for nearly a year now, but next it gets serious, as they are coming for our lives with their crooked vaccines.

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sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

me too.im not scared of the virus it ‘s the rules- the masks, being treated like docile sheep , sorry sheep are smarter than people , haven’t been to the dentist either , never go to the dr anyway!

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Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Me too – I hate them, and refuse to wear one. I’ve given up shopping in person entirely as I just can’t stand masks and all the stupid pointless restrictions.

I hate that I can’t take my wife out for a meal, as even if we weren’t in teir 3, I’d be unable to go anywhere that enforces mask wearing.

Remember, masks were brought in as a political gesture to try to get people back to shops and back to work. They have no effect on stopping covid transmission, and were no thought necessary during the first lockdown. If masks work then why social distance and vice-versa?

They’ve become almost a religious symbol now, a sign of government compliance.

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Marina Peerman
Marina Peerman
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

I work in the community and I’d lose my job if I was caught without a mask. I loathe everything they represent. I loathe wearing them. Both of my manky masks bear the Swedish flag – thanks to one of the many LS suggestions a few of months ago. I don’t think anyone in any of the few shops I’ve frequented has looked twice but, for me, it makes it almost bearable!

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

I suspect the Government’s motive is to put people off shopping in order to destroy the economy for the Great Reset, and to promote online shopping which gets rid of cash on the process

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helen
helen
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Yes Ed, all communal places are grausam..cruel to experience and to behold and

deliberate policy to coerce into vaccination.

Most Important Covid Vaccine video Ever
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/most-important-covid-vaccine-video-ever_QHWDNtfv7MSEbVk.html

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago

If we ever do get beyond lockdowns and masks, I wonder how the economic damage will play out. One slightly optimistic way of looking at it might be this: If you went to a restaurant and spent £50 on a meal, much of the money would go into the pockets of the staff. But with the Covid fiasco, we haven’t gone out to the restaurant for the meal, but a similar amount of money will be paid, ultimately by us, into the pockets of the staff anyway (furlough). The day after the restaurant meal, you would have been £50 lighter and would have a memory of a meal in a restaurant. In Covid world, you are effectively £50 lighter (we all pay the furlough eventually) but only have a memory of a meal at home instead. For now the money accumulates in your bank account because there’s bugger all else to spend it on. But it will eventually be taken from you. So not much difference. It seems to me that an economy in suspended animation isn’t quite as bad as it looks – as long as it can be revived. The danger will be that people will have got… Read more »

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Well I am now self-employed having been made redundant in the summer. I know we’re all going to have to pay for this.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Same here.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Not true.

  1. Furlough will not pay your full salary, which means everyone gets a pay cut. So the staff loses. What’s worse, some of those people might have been struggling to make it to next month on their full paycheck. What happens to them now?
  2. Governments are incredibly inefficient. Those £50 will pass through a lot of hands before they make it to furloughed employees, and each hand needs to be paid. I’m only guessing here, but it wouldn’t surprise me if out of those £50 only £20 make it to where you were hoping they would.

Make no mistake. The only people winning here in the long run are the government and the banks. Even the people who were having a laugh for half a year on furlough will be crying by the end of this.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I always find it kinda weird how people are so shocked when they heard how much a country borrowed and how deep in debt it is, but they never ask: “Indebted to whom?” Answer that question and all will be made clear.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Sounds as though you are advocating some sort of ‘reset’ then! 🙂

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Its taking a while for the penny to drop because education has been dumbed down and social media has done the rest, resulting in people unable to think for themselves.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Let’s just suppose that someone was taking home £2000 but are furloughed and are now taking home £1600. At first glance £400 down, But no commuting costs, no caffe nero on the way in, no lunchtime pret , no pint after work etc. So unless you usually walked/cycled to work and took your own food, you might not be dwon. BUT no employment for caffe nero, pret and pub staff , no car park, fuel, train /bus companies. Everyone loses.

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p02099003
p02099003
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

income tax? National insurance? Pension?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

That’s normal interdependence, not the Communitarian ideal of interdependence.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Somebody has stuffed chewing gum in the coin slot.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The 1-2 million people who have been made redundant because of lockdown will largely be younger people who spent much of their spare income in the hospitality trade which has itself been wrecked.
A self sustaining cycle of gloom.

Nice one bozo.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Before this whole thing started, young people were upset that unlike their parents, they cannot afford to buy a house straight away, and can only pay mortgage. Now they might struggle even with paying the mortgage.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

BLIMEY, how many people could have ever bought their house outright?
Our first house that we bought on a mortgage in 1972 was £5,585.00.
I was on £40.00. a week and back then, the woman’s wages were not taken into consideration.

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I managed worse than that – because I never met a man that was right for me to marry and so I had to buy a house on my own salary only. I got caught right at the black spot of still being paid “womans” wages and married couples had just had it agreed that the womans wages were to be taken into consideration. Starter houses shot up in price – as I was competing with couples – and single me was left without a house for years waiting for a stroke of Good Luck to come along and rescue me from rented accommodation. Not one single married couple commiserated with me.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

I would have commiserated with you!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

They are angling for a removal of home ownership and a complete rental-only market, the same way that homes are rented in Germany, by big corporations. Except that in Germany, you save through a lifetime and then buy a house mortgage-free when you retire. That will be stopped. The elites make far more money from a rental or lease system; there’s a good reason why the Duke of Westminster is one of the wealthiest people in the UK. Computer software is going the safe way, you rent MS Office now, not buy it.

It’s micro-flats (already designed, Google them) for all except the elite. Everyone is to be concentrated into MegaCities and you won’t have a car, just a bike. If you need to travel any distance, it will be like a Hunger Games train system (WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE PUSHING SO ABSURDLY FOR HS2?).

The majority of the planet will be depopulated and returned to wildlife for the elites to experience (useful idiots like Packham come in handy here). It’s already planned. They just need to remove the useless eaters (Google “useless eaters Henry Kissinger”)

It’s not as if they are hiding the facts from us.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

I see what youre getting at but its a world I want no part of.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Oh yes, HS2!!!
Destroy great swathes of countryside and ruin countless lives to build a totally unnecessary railway, so the “elite” ( hang on, I thought that they were all WFH) can get to London 20 minutes sooner.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Another anomaly!

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Someone has to smash it up, Bella …

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

All spelt out in UN agenda 21/30.
Government policies are being made to fit this.Cycle lanes,ban of petrol and diesel cars.Gas boilers in homesFarmers paid to take care of land not grow food.Its all out in the open.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Absolutely, the country village where I grew up (Claverley in Shropshire) has an ex council house estate where on a regular basis, houses sell for £250,000 plus.
That’s why myself and virtually every one of my contemporaries have had to leave.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Was that where Mary Whitehouse lived?

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

A slightly serious point: one of the justifications for the ‘reset’ is what you are describing. An economy that has become dangerously unstable and unbalanced. I am sure that in some people’s minds, the logical way to deal with it is ‘controlled demolition’ – and on the back of it to introduce socialism so it can’t happen again (they would argue).

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The Great Reset might include destruction of the 60 year ponzi scheme that constitutes the housing market.
Interesting times ahead.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Quite likely true. But they didn’t inform us, consult with us, or obtain prior agreement.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

They won’t have a mortgage, they’ll be living in State owned ticky tacks.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And those millenials who still have a job, if they think that if they’re made redundant and that mummy & daddy can ride to their rescue, they need to think again as :

  1. mummy & daddy could be made redundant too. Or bankrupt if they have a business and it goes bust
  2. their pensions and savings either subject to tax raids and/or lose their value

So to those especially who still think we should lockdown and follow the silly rules, think again as you’re a massive part of the problem we’re having now.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Neil Oliver made the point that it’s worse than that. After all, there’s the danger that this year has set a precedent. Who wants to set up a business thinking that in a year or two, the Government can simply close it down or make it impossible to run profitably? Wherever the money has gone – and a lot of people have diverted those restaurant and holiday savings into other areas like home improvements or debt reduction – the economy is not simply going to bounce back.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Absolutely. If the government is serious about reviving the economy (I can dream), it needs to send out signals that this won’t happen again.

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

SARS1 2002
Swine flu 2009
MERS 2012
SARS2 2020
it will happen every few years at least

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

That is worrying. One of the things that convinces me the Lockdown is a load of old nonsense is that 6 of these virus things have come along in my lifetime and we didnt get a darn Lockdown imposed on us for any of them – so why did we on this one? It doesnt make sense. It is worrying that “Lockdown for Virus No. 7 of recent times” might set a precedent though for Virus No. 8 getting the Lockdown treatment – rather than the “Ignore it – it’ll go away” treatment we had for viruses no. 1-6.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

That is an extremely important point who would want to start up a business knowing someone like Bozo’s government could come along and literally close you down? I think we will be getting a taste of what the Depression was like, but until the political class starts to suffer the same as we are, nothing will stop this wanton destruction of our lives.

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ianric
ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

This is a good point about people not wanting to set up businesses for fear that their businesses could be closed down in the future. Under lockdowns vast sections of the economy were closed down including restaurants, so called non essential shops, hotels and gyms, hairdressers. People would be reluctant to start businesses up even if their business would be allowed to operate. For instance, I would not want to start a taxi business because if another lockdown was introduced I would loose trade from shoppers if shops had to close, pub and nightclub goers if pubs and nightclubs closed and from visitors if hotels had to close. This applies to small businesses and big businesses. For instance a hotel chain may not want to build more hotels if they could be closed.

If people won’t set up businesses, this could lead to a loss of potential. For instance, someone wants to set up a restaurant and decides against it. If the person had set up a restaurant the restaurant may have been succesful, created jobs and gave work to suppliers which will not happen.

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dhpaul
dhpaul
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Its small comfort I know, but we can help by supporting businesses like yours, and we know from this site that you are in a small N Essex town not a million miles from Cambridge area where I lived until I retired a few years ago. I don’t get back that way often, even less now of course, but will make a point of calling in when I can. We should all do the same.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

“As the owner of a business, I don’t see it like that! We have lost money we will never get back and which can never be earned back. “

“And I think “just wait till they come after your savings and pensions, you won’t be untouched by this.”

Ditto for me as a self-employed contractor.

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Staincliffe
Staincliffe
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Yes, insisting that a proportion of your savings/pension has to be invested in COVID government bonds paying zero (or negative) interest rates and with no guaranteed redemption date.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

At least 3 million unemployed.£360 billion of debt for starters.We are in Great Depression territory.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The Quebec government has been taxing staff tips for approximately 30 years.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

After two weeks of the gunk being injected into people the mass testing will stop

Mass testing stops and as a result the killer flu disappears

In the new year victory will be declared

The injecting will stop soon after over ‘concerns ‘

The pig dictator will be crowned the new Churchill

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The. ew. i rade. apo,eon, more like.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

PS. That one was sabotaged!
‘Comrade Napoleon’, more like.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

was the saboteur knee-high and furry, with winsome eyes?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

No Napoleon had a plan. More Baron Munchausen (that’s probably spelt wrong sorry) or Walter Mitty?

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cBa
cBa
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I spent several minutes trying to decipher that before scrolling down and seeing your update 😉

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Margaret
Margaret
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I do hope that you are right, Cecil B (apart from your last sentence) We’ve seen this happen so often over the last eight months from test and trace to mass testing to the vaccine. Each one has been the factor that is going to save us all. When it doesn’t, we move on quietly to the next big idea.

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Sodastream
Sodastream
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I hope so !

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

I think this is one of the most depressing editions of LS I have ever read. I think Mike Yeadon’s comment on the possibility of the nation having collapsed by the time of the end of the vaccine rollout is very much to the point. I also think that we need to give these opinion polls a bit of a wide berth (they were deliberately manipulated during the US election run up). There’s a lot of irrational fear around but there’s also a lot of scepticism. And as for continual mask wearing, where are your priorities going to lie if you have to choose between a useless cloth rag and and actual food to eat? Because that is what it may come down to if the economy continues its collapse and joblessness mounts.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Can it be true that 45% of Brits wet themselves at the idea of coming out of their burrows?
We all know that some do. But nearly half?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I doubt it. I think the polls are manipulated. Yes, there still are a lot of very scared and very mislead people out there, but not that many. I think the biggest portion of the population is just conforming because that’s what British people do.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Very few masks in London now and people speaking openly about their contempt for this farrago.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Really? That is good news.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Do you mean in shops and public transport or outdoors (where not required anyway)

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I went to a restaurant yesterday in London.Mask wearing pretty much Ubiquitos.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Let them hide, more retail discounts for us as shops try to attract what little custom there is.

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Alcina Ward
Alcina Ward
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Utterly depressing. The surveys ring true to me. People fall into three categories; in my little experience, majority are in categories a and b, thanks to government propaganda:

Category a: the genuinely fearful “better safe than sorry” (includes assorted aunts and uncles in their 70s, currently in hiding for the vaccine)
Category b: the fashion-followers and virtue-signallers. Too busy/lazy to research, happy to take government broadly at face value, so long as they get to watch Netflix, browse Instagram for trendy home decor ideas and work from home (includes all my middle class, well educated, well travelled friends, and parents’ friends)
Category c: lockdown sceptics (my immediate family, and a handful of tradesmen)

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

Agree with this broadly. The vast majority in my workplace belong to both A and B. One of my colleagues was trilling about the vaccine and how we’re all going to be inoculated with it. I simply let her prattle on because I’ve given up on trying to wake them with up with facts and logic. Better let them learn the hard way.

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stefarm
stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Indeed and what a rude awakening it will be.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  stefarm

And it will be too late for them to do anything.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The pro Lockdowners and Sceptics are once again divided into opposite camps similar to Brexit.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Yep and the vast majority of remainers I know are pro-lockdown.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I ain’t.

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Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Neither am I

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music girl
music girl
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Nor i. My remainer friends here in Brighton are 95% anti lockdown, but strangely my Portsmouth remainer friends are 95% pro lockdown. I think a lot of it is social media ‘peer pressure’ – they desperately want their lives back and see following rules as the only solution. I have mostly avoided my Portsmouth friends (which is a shame as it’s my first home town) but lucky for me have a really awesome bunch of like minded friends here in Brighton.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’m a remainer and fiercely anti lockdown.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

Yes, I’m finding quite a lot of B(C)s among my colleagues now.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

I think the majority are just too lazy to think for themselves and rely on the BBC.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I shall include a list of alternative media (UKColumn, &c) suggestions for entertainment with my Christmas cards.

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judymilne
judymilne
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

I agree. I’m adhere to category c, although by age I should be in category a😷

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina Ward

Mark Twain
“If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”.  

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

From Mike Yeadon:

“But what do we know about how the immunity from a prior infection compares with the protection given by the new vaccines? And what if you have already had Covid — is it safe to be vaccinated? (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1335513040402444288)

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Does Yeadon know about the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset etc?

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

He steers clear of anything but science where he is in his area of expertise.He has alluded to a conspiracy as he knows Vallance is lying.

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Sylvia Priest
Sylvia Priest
5 years ago

ORB are constantly releasing so called polls which always seem to be dire. Who are they and what is their agenda? Where are the independent polls from Ipso Mori for instance? I hope to God that people don’t believe this rubbish. Masks are bad and always will be along with unproven vaccines.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

Opinion polls were weaponised in the US in order to try to suppress support for Donald J Trump. We have to admit of the possibility that they are being weaponised here in order to over-emphasise support for the mask wearing idiocy and other elements of this attempted transformation of society.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They have no problem faking easily verifiable data on national television. Why would they not fake hard to check polls? They’re taking advantage of the fact that most British people just follow the rules and avoid rocking the boat.

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Join yougov and you will get one set of political questions if you give the wrong answers you only ever get brand awareness surveys. Try it out for yourself if you don’t believe me

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Cbird
Cbird
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

That’s true. Same thing happened to me

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

Me too!

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They’ve been ‘weaponised’ here for decades.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

I’ve always been suspicious of them especially Ipsos MORI and definitely YouGov – the questions are always rigged to get the answer that they want.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

You Gov is Blair-Remain central. I checked out some of their leading pesonnel once and soon found out where they were coming from via their twitter accounts.

There’s no doubt billionaires buy influence. The allegedly “respected” and “independent” Institute for Government (much loved by the BBC and Sky) was set up after the Brexit Referendum by fanatical Remainer Lord Sainsbury and is stuffed full of fanatical Remainers who pose as disinterested observers of the scene. Lord Malloch Brown, GS’s mate, just happened to head up the company that owned Smartmatics which supplied the software for the Dominion voting machines in the USA.

I am sure that we will find political billionaires or Chinese-Russian-Saudi-Qatari interests behind a lot of these polling companies and then there’s the question of who’s commissioning the polls. I’ve seem how tbis works in practice and there’s no doubt pollsters try and please those stumping up the money – because that’s how you get repeat business.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

That Nadhim Zahawi was a co-founder of yougov.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

It’s also how you word the question. There was a YouTube vid on this. Things like do you think it’s safe to come out of lockdown or do you want to kill granny!!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Watch the yes minister episode about polls.Sir Humphrey Appleby sums up opinion polls succinctly.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago

BBC headline:

Weekend shopping returns but numbers down on 2019
Well, duh! And the BBC will be first to criticise those shoppers, anyway.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The BBC wins hands down for their stupid headline. Who writes these things?

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annie
annie
5 years ago

And your chief executive us a pebble-eyed thug who prates about freedom while loading chains on the employees and stabbing thrm with poisoned needles.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

Did anyone else besides me notice that Scouse lockdown enthusiast Joe Andersen got nabbed by the Plod for alleged bribery and witness intimidation? If he is found guilty he might well get locked up?

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

A link to the story was included in yesterday’s roundup.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Several times. Good news should be widely shared. 🙂

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I hope that he enjoys his stay. Send him Get Well Soon greeting cards.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

If he is found guilty, he will virtually certainly get locked up. These is serious offences.

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diego22
diego22
5 years ago

Can the authors, whom the gods bless, do something about the width of the page transmitted. Quite often, including today, it about 50% wider than the screen available.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  diego22

Look for the “view” setting on your browser. Go down to the “zoom” setting and adjust accordingly.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago

The expression:”Testing, testing, testing ” has taken on a new meaning now,ain’t it?

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

More like EXTER-MIN-ATE, EXTER-MIN-ATE!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the main text, our Christmas Market was cancelled a while back, like Nottingham this city was noticeably quiet for a Saturday coming up to Christmas but that was partly down to dark skies, strong winds and cold rain.

Up to about 10 years ago the city centre and approach roads on the weekends up to Xmas were at a constant standstill. This area never had an austerity fueled depression and with virtually no unemployment people had money to burn.
Over the next few years those streets became less over-busy but most put that down to increased internet shopping.

But for the last 2 to 3 years real life crowded Chistmas Shopping was becoming a thing again as people found they actually enjoyed it especially with ever more eateries being opened.

Lockdown has killed that stone dead.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

We used to have a wonderful Christmas market every year here in Suffolk but they cancelled it back in March! No one can tell me this attack on our Christmas was not pre planned!

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

No Jo Churchill is my MP and her constituency is next to his, not that she is much better than Wankok.!

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Aldous is ours in east Suffolk, but just supports the party line.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Exactly the same as mine! If they disappeared tomorrow would we notice?

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Hmmm, would their families and/or the police notice, that’s the point. 🙂

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

The same has happened here about the Christmas Market and all the locals say it was renowned as being one of the best. And this is Wancock’s constituency.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago

Mrs & I went to an underground church yesterday. Handshakes, hugs, no muzzles, no anti-social distancing, and SINGING!

What a thing to experience, to be in a congregation of about a hundred, the way the churches must have been in Soviet Russia. We never thought it would happen here, in this country.

During the refreshments afterwards, I looked around at the extraordinary (!) sight and realised how low we have sunk; but to be in that congregation was to experience hope and defy the satanic absurdities of our times. I thought of you all as we sang our hearts out.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Praise God.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Great post. Little acts of defiance such as this gives one hope.

KBO

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Sylvia Priest
Sylvia Priest
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

I wrote to all the churches locally and even bell ringing is not on their list and standard gov procedure replies. Wish I knew of underground church but glad there are some.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

Im not a regular churchgoer but I have enjoyed Christmas services with Carols and would have liked to attend a service, but not if masks and social distancing were enforced.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I will not enter a church which enforces masks or SD, and any church which forbids singing is satanic or craven or both.

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gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

But all acts of love and pleasure most definately are…

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

I see a very dark future……….

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

That sounds wonderful. The above story about Christmas market and people complaining that others werent social distancing or wearing masks should be the first ones to be jabbed then perhaps the rest of us can live our lives without interference from the bedwetters.

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Um..you did say jabbed, not stabbed?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

😁

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I think the comment about only hanging around for five minutes, was made by a 24-year-old. Poor idiotic snowflake. My scorn knows no bounds.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Sounds great!

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annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Glory be to God. How I wish I could have been there.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Excellent, me too. There is a very good talk here by Joe Boot of the Ezra Institute which deals with the proper bounds of government authority from a Christian world view perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W14_7CUYSok&feature=emb_rel_end

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Schrodinger
Schrodinger
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Not going to win me any friends I reckon.

Congratulations on standing up for your beliefs but isn’t accepting the cult like truths of religion without any evidence to back it up exactly the same as accepting the cult of Covid?

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

Well I’d say there’s a key distinction.

Even if you don’t believe in God, the Christian religion at least has some useful principles by which you can live your life. The basic tenets of it have shaped our society over the years.

The Covid cult has nothing constructive to offer.

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guy153
guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

No. The traditional religions like Islam and Christianity have a lot more going for them. Art, philosophy, being nice to each other (well trying to be anyway), that sort of thing. Most people know better than to pretend to believe in them literally anyway. The Covid religion is infinitely more miserable and depressing. It is essentially nihilism and very well symbolised by the face mask.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

I rejoice to hear this. Are you doing a Nine Lessons and Carols? Our church is ticket only, which is insane.
If you do a Nine Lessons and Carols please use the Authorised Version; not totally accurate I know, but the language is magnificent.
I would be delighted to read the passage from Isaiah.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

\\yes, carol service later this month.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Can I ask some follow up questions?

Was this a church that existed before and is now ignoring the nonsense? Or a brand new grouping?

Has there been division in the church if the former?

Do you meet in a church building or another location?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

Yes, same church said (in more Christian language) “nuts, we’ll open anyway”.

No division. Everyone was wanting it to happen, but just didn’t want to be on their un-nappied lonesome in a pew, or singing by themselves.

Same church, same minister, same building, pentecostal evangelicals (so not at the soft edge of the Christian community). Most of this rubbish is guidance, not law, so people would just get up and walk out in silence if some loathsome satanist official managed to enter. There is a crypt, so things could be done more securely if necessary, but remember that pre-recorded music is allowed, so you can’t tell from outside the building.

Once everybody is inside, the doors are locked and there is no right of entry without a warrant. Hee, hee.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Sounds great. My church has some true covidians in it so everyone else has to adapt.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

I’m glad for youl. I wish I knew of one in my area, but for obvious reasons it’s difficult to find out!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

The Christian community is pretty close-knit; just ask around. Even the pro-maskers will know, and will tell you “We don’t go to that one because they don’t wear masks.” There are very few Quislings in the Church because of the WWII history of Corrie ten Boom and other Dutch resisters, and the persecution of the Early Church; it is burned deep in Christian consciousness.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

As a Christian, I love you anyway, for the sake of your LS courage.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Where do you find these underground churches?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

Go in person to one of the Elim Pentecostal churches or ask at one of the smaller but more fundamentalist churches if they know of anywhere that still sings/doesn’t mask. If they know you or have a mutual friend in one of the churches nearby, then I am sure they will tell you.

It’s direct word of mouth between Christians who are known to each other or who are friends of mutual friends. Best wishes.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

How does word of these proceedings get spread, please, Richard ?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

[Reposted from above] Go in person to one of the Elim Pentecostal churches or ask at one of the smaller but more fundamentalist churches if they know of anywhere that still sings/doesn’t mask. If they know you or have a mutual friend in one of the churches nearby, then I am sure they will tell you.

It’s direct word of mouth between Christians who are known to each other or who are friends of mutual friends. Best wishes.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Thanks Richard.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

The country isn’t bankrupt the government is

Maybe the government should go into administration, arrest the dodgy accountants, write off the debt.

I don’t see why I should have to pay for someone else’s mistakes

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

You think they were mistakes?

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Ferd III
Ferd III
5 years ago

The anti-science of the Covid religion is breath-taking.
99.7% survival rate, 96% for the over 80s, yet we need to inject poison and aborted fetal cells into 80 yr olds with 3 existing conditions. Where is the test data for the ‘thousands’ of such use cases in Pfizer’s supposed tests proving mRNA is safe? Won’t injecting them with CV19 and mercury make them sick and won’t that cause injury? Never saw any test data from Pfizer on this use case. But as a good cult member, you blindly accept the authority of the CV priests.

The environment kills unstable virus molecules, so they shut down open air markets?
Masks do nothing except denote your submission and wreck your immune system, yet the idiots are now saying post the magic vaxx, you will still have to one wear one? Why? And what than is the point of the vaxx? etc etc. Endless list of CV non-science.

Maybe the sheeple need to wake up and stop this totalitarian fluism from becoming permanent.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  Ferd III

Hi Ferd. Where did you get the info you mention about mercury being in the injection? And foetal cells?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Most vaccines come in two types of bottle. The mass injection ones have Thiomersal as a “preservative”. This contains mercury. I con’t know if the latest vaccines have it, but it will be on the data sheet (which you should demand to see).

All vaccines of the traditional type use foetal cells derived from an abortion.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Traditional vaccines (and many other treatments like cancer therapies and anti-virals) are developed using human cells in the testing process that were derived from foetal tissue originally. That is not the same as the vaccines themselves containing foetal cells.

The Pfizer vaccine does not list thiomersal as far as I can see. That’s why I am asking where Ferd’s info comes from. I am not dismissing the assertions made but I find it helpful to know what they are based on.

There are plenty of questions to ask and concerns about vaccines but I think we need to be rigorous about information sources so we cannot be accused of knee jerk reactions based on rumour or supposition.

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

…using human cells in the testing process that were derived from foetal tissue originally. That is not the same as the vaccines themselves containing foetal cells.

It’s the same for some people, but not for others, maybe, Charlie ?

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Many now use aluminium. I think mercury has been phased out (I wonder why, if it was so “safe”)? But I am not sure if the new mRNA vaccines use toxic adjuvants. Does anyone know?

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine composition, including the nanoparticle composition, has been released by the MHRA but it does not include concentrations of ingredients making it impossible to assess toxicology. 

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine/

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JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

UK phased out thiomersal sometime in the last few years. USA still use it.

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guy153
guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I just looked it up and apparently they don’t use adjuvants. But you do need them for the protein vaccines like novavax or you don’t get any T-cell response.

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LondonStatto
LondonStatto
5 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Thiomersal “contains Mercury” in the same way that water “contains hydrogen”.

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janis pennance
janis pennance
5 years ago
Reply to  LondonStatto

Remember when the stopped pregnant women eating Tuna because the mercury content exceeded safety regs. ? Wasnt the mercury higher in the Flu vaccine ?

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Ferd III

I am 100% against mass vaccination unless after decades of testing and planning (ie smallpox)

But if I was 80+ I might consider any of these – what have I got to lose?

And we get the data on efficacy and side effects. Its basically stage 3 testing. Of course shouldn’t be mandatory but very little should be.

Then they move onto 70+ year olds – but this is going to take months

Of course shouldn’t be for anyone under 50 (unless they are desperate). And not to women who might in the future want children etc.

By the time they get through the first batch, people will be bored, side effects start showing, virus naturally drops to endemic levels and we’ll all move on

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Just been on another forum and I would guess about 50% are wait and see types,30% take it now types and the rest no takers like me.
Can’t see the point where there is no guarantee of long term immunity or lack of transmission.
That other forum is for sports (albeit with a lot of geriatrics like me there) and no political discussion will be allowed.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  Ferd III

A sad state of affairs. Even people who I considered to be highly intelligent are not thinking outside the box and questionning everything.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ferd III

Arm the elderly. They need to defend themselves.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago

“Do you have a mask?”

“No, I carry a rabbit’s foot”

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

‘Do you wear a mask?’
‘Only when engaging in consensual hardcore S&M roleplay’

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

😂😂

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

We need to meet. 😉

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

“Why don’t you wear a mask?”

“Because I’m not a f***ing moron!”

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

only when fighting outlaws .. “Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!”

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

“Do you have a mask”?

“No, I carry a rabbit’s foot”

“Why”?

It’s safer.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Today’s update is rather depressing and shows how many people are so far gone that they want to carry on muzzling ad infinitum and aren’t even bothering to question the semantics of the vaccine.

The bit about the travelling is rather worrying. My family live overseas in SE Asia and I’ve not been back there since I left 16 years ago. We were planning to visit 2 years down the line but given our finances after buying out flat last year and doing some works with it, it was questionable. But now with all these insane measures, its becoming less likely that we’re going. Especially as their Covid regulations are insane – muzzles and visors everywhere with no exemptions among others. Plus my family I suspect are Branch Covidians as well so it will be likely be more like a visit to Dante’s Inferno than a family reunion.

Regardless this could mean that I will be like those immigrants in the late 19th to early 20th centuries – it will be a goodbye forever save for letters and photos. In my case the odd WhatsApp messages & photo sharing on Arsebook.

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They are the selfish ones if they feel entitled to impose their fear on the rest of society – As someone else said in a comments section to lockdown zealot: ‘My rights don’t end where your fear begins’

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

I’m 60. There’s no f ing way I’m taking a Covid vaccine before any health professionals, or MPs!
You first. I’ll wait for five years and see how you’re doing.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

I’m 63, see you on the train transport to the vax refuseniks camp.

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bluemoon
bluemoon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m over 70 – I’ll be at the gate to welcome you.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  bluemoon

I’ll be at the gate to welcome you

I’d prefer if you “met” me. It’s those who will be doing the ‘welcoming‘ that would worry me.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’ll be the one reading 1984.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

reading 1984

Smuggled copy, I presume. Books will be burned.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

I’ll bring “The Gulag Archipelago”.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

See you there!

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Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

There’s no f ing way I’m taking a Covid vaccine before any health professionals, or MPs!

…. or ever

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richmond
richmond
5 years ago

Maybe it’s just me, but I think if you can afford to fly to Doha, then you’ve not been too badly affected. ONS have estimated 200,000 deaths, and Bristol University over 500,000, from all of this. And that’s just deaths. It doesn’t measure sheer human misery. So if you’ve just had your holiday spoiled then I think you should maybe keep that to yourself.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

I thought so too. What about a postcard where there is a family with one parent made redundant and the other furloughed, struggling to make ends meet for their kids, never mind having a holiday ruined.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

Those figures are for non-covid excess deaths.
ie caused by reckless lockdown policies.

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richmond
richmond
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I know they’re non-covid excess deaths. That’s what I was referring to.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

…which is why I just upticked you as I think you may have been misunderstood.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

The take home message for me from this postcard is that travel is still being made a misery and people following all the ridiculous rules can still be effectively kidnapped and held for 2 weeks in another country. I couldn’t ever have budgeted for a trip like that before all this madness but I don’t resent this couple spending their money on a honeymoon. I find it interesting to know what people’s experiences are even if they are far removed from my own.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

I don’t agree. These policies are causing misery in many ways, and the removal of enjoyment from life is one of them. The destruction of the travel industry is another, which these types of incidents exacerbate.

No point in getting bogged down in some sort of grief league. This crap is ruining life for many people in many different ways, it’s all rubbish.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

I agree with this when you say that these policies are causing misery in many different ways. My life has been wrecked, not due to a loss of employment (I am semi-retired) but because the things I like to do have been made difficult or even impossible. But I also know that my difficulties are as nothing compared to the misery experienced by others.
It is worthwhile to know the full extent of these disastrous policies even if some experiences are nowhere near as serious as others.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Yes indeed. My life has been pretty crap over the last 9 months as my wife and I are both in aviation. She’s avoided 1 round of redundancy already and I’ve had a long time on furlough at 50% pay. I managed to get a temporary job to top up my pay so I know it could be much worse.

Incidents like this make it really hard for people to travel so end up hitting families like mine in the pocket. Everything is interconnected. The misery experienced by individuals just trying to go about their business and being prevented from doing so is also important, so I try to avoid ranking it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

I let my passport lapse some years ago but I have no problem with other people enjoying their money any way they choose.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

I just cannot understand why anybody would put themselves through this mask/visor/testing bullshit, especially to go to Doha.

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Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
5 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j-dbpcVSm0
I reckon the section between 3mins22 and 5mins01 is a pretty goood summary of what many business owners and employees in the hospitality sector want to say to Boris, Gove etc. about the new tier system.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago

In spite of all of the ‘Covid safe’ measures, my daughter and I were able to help ourselves to pick n mix from a large supermarket the other day. There were only 2 reusable scoops and most of the sweets were unwrapped… somebody tell SAGE, this dangerous activity needs to be accounted for in the modelling!

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

That will increase the R number by, I don’t know, 2.35!

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Probably. Adding 2 additional scoops might reduce it by 0.82 but only if they close the deli counter at the same time…

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

When you read the kind of tinkering they think they can get away with in terms of the R number, you wouldn’t be surprised if that was their line of thinking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55192732

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

But by eating it all you become a bit more overweight which puts you in a higher risk category, nom! nom! nom!.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

The last time I went to Wilco they had removed all the pick n mix for safety reasons, idiots. It was the only thing worth going in there for. Interesting to hear that pick n mix has now seemingly been deemed to be safe.
Bastards

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago

The law of unintended consequences – cafes and restaurants allowed to reopen in Ireland are finding it hard to get staff as the Pandemic Unemployment Payment is worth more than working. Compounded by the fact that Ireland has a Christmas bonus for those on social welfare (including those on PUP), anyone going back to work now will forfeit that.

For clarification, I fully support the payment being made to those who were told that they were not allowed to work “to save granny”. The fundamental issue is that there should not have been a lockdown to start with.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/hospitality-sector-struggled-to-find-staff-for-re-opening-as-coming-off-pup-not-worth-it-for-many-workers-39833641.html

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Ben
Ben
5 years ago

Why does this feel like an attack?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

It’s just a card, just a page on your passport. It’s over.

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paologrigio
paologrigio
5 years ago

The Guardian interviews Professor Neil Ferguson about his lockdown rule-breaking among other things: “In some sense it was a risk-based judgement which is exactly the wrong thing to do.”.
Erm….so we shouldn’t be making risk-based judgements?? Says everything we need to know about why things are so wrong with lockdown strategy.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  paologrigio

No you must sit quietly in the corner facing the wall until the professor tells you it’s safe to move. And if you need to use the loo DON’T RUN! Yes miss!

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  paologrigio

Which was the greater risk, Neil, catching the flu, someone grassing you up for breaking your own rules or her husband finding out? Answers on a postcard to:

Po Box 606060
CLINT

A long prosperous life you will live not, methinks.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago

The fact the Christmas Market was rammed with people shows how many people just want to get back to normal. This shows me that once the pathetic, the mentally ill, the hypochondriacs and scared have had their vaccination no one else will bother. This idea they’re gonna get any more than about 1% of the population to take this is insane. No one wants it and no one is gonna take it. if they try and make me i will fight to the death. If they try and stop me shopping or going to the pub without a vaccine card i will fight them. I am not alone, in fact i am the majority. We don’t need the government any more. I refuse to accept them or anything they do.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I thought the same thing. The photos of the busy shopping and markets over the weekend, completely contradicts the polls. Most people seem to just be complying with the rules and the bedwetters are becoming out numbered. I think these polls are WAY out.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

My feeling is a lot of people engage in minimum compliance to avoid trouble with police or neighbours, but the real bedwetters are a minority, perhaps as small a minority as the resisters.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

I agree. Whenever someone reveals to me that they had a friend or a relative over they often add ‘but we’re in a bubble’. When I indicate that I don’t care about ‘bubbles’, they are usually relieved to drop the pretence.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I really hope so.

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Janice21
Janice21
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Exactly, whilst there are many who see the vaccine as their ultimate saviour, on the other side of the coin, I am pleasantly surprised how many won’t have it. I think it’s backfired somewhat for the government.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I hope you are right. But I also think many are engaged in this warped dance where in front of certain people they will declare their concern and fear of the rona, then without any real strain, walk out to the Christmas Market. Not a thought given to that contrast. Every thought is outsourced.

“Surely if its open then its OK, better bring my mask just in case. The man on the TV said they are life savers”

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Mrs 2-6 went out yesterday to meet up with some salt-of-the-earth type local ladies, six indoors for xmass drinkies and cake. All of them were very well informed sceptics! Much to my surprise, apparently one or two of them has actually taken notes from their sceptical online friends so they could better push out their sceptic facts. Excellent!

There is hope

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

There’s definitely hope!

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

It’s getting to the point we need to remind them we are the government. This is fucking me right off.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Let me guess who the recipients will be – those slebs who were featured on Meghan’s so-callled “Forces for Change” Vogue cover.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Could the solution be as simple as calling your GP to tell them that you’ve had a private Rona test which has come back positive and you want it adding to your records? 👀

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Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago

Wish LS would stop being taken in by these so called polls. Besides being open to abuse by those pushing the propoganda, the polls are likely to be aimed at a certain demographic, think the 24 year old bed wetter ( I am afraid there is no other word for such a pathetic person) at the Nottingham Christmas fair mentioned in this article.
Regarding Doha – maybe the traveller should have done their research before travelling. Qatar only accepts tests done from St Bartholomew’s private hospital in London. If you have a test cert from there, 72 hours prior to travel, you will not require a test in Doha.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

100% and the decision to shut an outdoor market utterly idiotic. These shoppers are at far more risk collecting virus inside shops, even more so air conditioned arenas, that this wretched government so favour.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

I do wish that the bedwetters would just stay locked up at home and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

No, seems the bedwetters like to go to places that are likely to be busy and then complain online/call the Daily Mail about it.

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