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by Will Jones
30 December 2020 4:01 AM

“If The New COVID-19 Strain is More Transmissible, Why Isn’t It Taking Over in Every Region?”

Joshua Loftus, Assistant Professor of Statistics at New York University (and definitely not a lockdown sceptic), poses this question in the Spectator.

Let’s look at these estimates of the percent of the UK population testing positive, broken down based on whether the test result “is consistent with” the new strain or otherwise. We can download data with estimates of COVID-19 infection rates from the Office of National Statistics. First let’s see the rates in two regions, the one where the new strain grew most rapidly and another region where it hasn’t.

Next, here are all the regions sorted (top left to bottom right) in the order of the maximum estimated prevalence of the new strain.

If the new strain has a biological advantage that makes it more transmissible why isn’t it taking over in every region? 

Loftus stresses this is not a rhetorical question. However it is a real question that needs answering, and one that’s also being asked by Professor Francois Balloux on Twitter:

The new 'UK #SARSCoV2 variant' (lineage B 1.1.7) which has recently gone up in frequency in the UK has been identified in numerous countries including in Denmark, where its frequency remained at ~1% in mid-December.
1/ https://t.co/ElOC2zqTAW

— Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois) December 29, 2020

A number of media outlets have reported on the new technical briefing from Public Health England that shows considerably more being infected by carriers of the new variant than carriers of other variants. Here’s the report in the Times.

Contacts of people with the new coronavirus variant are 54% more likely to develop the disease, according to new analysis from Public Health England.

They found, however, that it did not appear likely to cause more severe disease or higher death rates.

Researchers found the “secondary attack rate”, or proportion of contacts of confirmed cases that develop the disease themselves, was 15.1% for people with a confirmed case of the new variant and 9.8% for people confirmed to have another variant.

The figures were published yesterday in a technical report on the variant, now named VOC (variant of concern) 202012/01.

Ministers pointed to the variant’s increased infectiousness when announcing higher Tier 4 restrictions for much of England earlier this month.

However, the PHE briefing does not draw any conclusions about transmissibility from the data it presents (it doesn’t mention transmissibility at all). Is this because the authors are aware that this may be just coincidence? In other words, that it appears to be more transmissible just because most of the infections with it happen to be in the areas that are currently surging? This by itself would explain why the secondary attack rate (the proportion of contacts who become infected) for the new variant in England is higher in recent weeks – because it happens to be the variant most prevalent in the areas of the country where more people are currently being infected. To know whether it is the new variant itself that is responsible for the higher secondary attack rate, or something else, we would need to see it higher in other regions, not just the one currently surging. And as Loftus and Prof Balloux observe, there is not currently evidence of that.

Stop Press: Nic Lewis has done a thorough analysis of the claims of greater transmissibility for the new variant and shown that despite the growing panic evidence is so far lacking.

Fact Check Fail

“Full Fact” is one of those over-confident websites that claims, unlike all those other websites which peddle mere opinion, to be supplying readers with the pure, unfiltered Facts. It has now brought the weight of its authoritative wisdom to bear on lockdown sceptics, with one Leo Benedictus penning a “fact check” entitled “Can we believe the lockdown sceptics?“. The London Economic claims this piece “definitively discredits lockdown sceptics“.

Unusually, it actually makes some effort to be kind to sceptics and says “we must not dismiss the lockdown sceptics’ claims out of hand… Mr Hitchens, Mr Cummins and Dr Yeadon all say that we should base our views on evidence, and on that we agree with them. However, on the overwhelming balance of the evidence, their claims are wrong”.

Benedictus claims there is much published evidence lockdowns work.

A research paper published in June in Nature, one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world, concludes: “Our results show that major non-pharmaceutical interventions – and lockdowns in particular – have had a large effect on reducing transmission.”

Another in Science in July said: “Focusing on COVID-19 spread in Germany, we detected change points in the effective growth rate that correlate well with the times of publicly announced interventions.”

Another in the BMJ said: “Earlier implementation of lockdown was associated with a larger reduction in the incidence of COVID-19.”

Mr Cummins may have been referring to a research paper in one of the Lancet’s online journals in July, which said that “full lockdowns… were not associated with COVID-19 mortality per million people”. But so much research is published, especially on Covid, that it is often possible to find at least some evidence in support of almost any view.

For instance, he might instead have referred to a different paper in the same journal eight days earlier, which said: “With a tighter lockdown, mobility decreased enough to bring down transmission promptly below the level needed to sustain the epidemic.”

Some science supports Mr Cummins on some points, in other words, but a great deal – which he does not mention – contradicts him.

Let’s take a closer look at these.

The June Nature paper is by Flaxman et al and is a model-based paper by the same team from Imperial College whose modelling inspired the lockdowns in the first place, so they are not exactly an impartial team. The June paper is notorious for making many dubious assumptions, as documented here by Nicholas Lewis. In fact, so troubling is the paper that last week Nature itself published a “matters arising” paper by Soltesz et al pointing out many of its flaws. It says:

We conclude that the model is in effect too flexible, and therefore allows the data to be explained in various ways. This has led the authors to go beyond the data in reporting that particular interventions are especially effective. This kind of error – mistaking assumptions for conclusions – is easy to make, and not especially easy to catch, in Bayesian analysis.

You can read our own critique of the Flaxman paper here.

The July Science paper, by Dehning et al , focuses only on one country, Germany, so cannot be used to counter international comparison data. In addition, Germany had an atypical spring as it did not experience any excess deaths.

The July BMJ paper is by Islam et al and is also model-based. It suffers from only using “case” data (which is unreliable as it depends on who is being tested and how many tests are being carried out) and does not look at deaths. To measure lockdown strictness it relies on the Oxford COVID-19 Government Response Tracker rather than using mobility data, and only considers five broad types of intervention rather than any finer measure of severity. This means it counts Sweden as implementing as many restrictions as many of the other countries because it did something in four out of five categories, despite Sweden’s restrictions being much lighter than others. Then the results are not actually very favourable to lockdowns at all. They show huge variation between countries, with all those with fewer restrictions seeing a reduction in cases over the period at a rate greater than many of those with more restrictions. Overall the study finds restrictions reducing “cases” by just 13% on average, a paltry impact for the immense cost.

On the other hand, the July Lancet paper by Chaudhry et al that Benedictus dismisses as an example of it being “often possible to find at least some evidence in support of almost any view” is in fact the main peer-reviewed article which carries out an international comparison of Covid mortality. It is notable that Benedictus doesn’t even attempt to counter the point that Covid mortality was not associated with lockdown strictness and timing, because he can’t. It is a fact, as Chaudhry et al show.

The Lancet paper by Vinceti et al that he then cites by way of riposte only looks at Italy and only at case numbers, not deaths. It concludes that one lockdown was ineffective while the second one worked, which it attributes to strictness. However, the context to keep in mind is that Italy had one of the worst Covid mortality rates in the world during the spring, and the later lockdown may have “worked” only because it coincided with the change of the season, a possibility the study does not consider. The conclusion that the first lockdown did not work supports the sceptics’ position.

The lack of consideration of “organic” alternatives as explanations for epidemic decline such as warmer weather and rising population immunity is a general failing of many of the coronavirus studies, made more obvious by the fact that the epidemics declined across all contexts regardless of how many or few restrictions were in place. In each region, the lifecycle of the epidemic followed a Gompertz curve.

To back-up his “fact check”, Benedictus claims that the epidemic in all regions in England declined at the same time, suggesting it was a result of lockdown. However, this is not actually true. As the Government dashboard shows, London deaths peaked around April 5th, North West deaths peaked around April 13th, and Yorkshire and Humber deaths peaked almost two weeks after London on April 18th; London’s decline was also steeper. The seasonal effect of course provides an alternative explanation as to why the epidemic declined across the country at around the same time during the warm April weather.

Benedictus makes the mistake of assuming that everyone who’s been infected will test positive for antibodies in order to “prove” the Covid Infection Fatality Rate is higher than many sceptics claim. However, numerous studies have shown that not all people who are infected develop or retain antibodies. For instance, a large Spanish study found that less than 20% of symptomatic cases later had (IgG) antibodies, and a large Italian study similarly found only 25% of symptomatic cases later had (IgG) antibodies. (See here for more on this.) The role of T-cells and pre-existing immunity in the immune response has also been shown by a number of studies. (See this in the BMJ and this pre-print.)

Benedictus says it is “hard to see how banning human contact could fail to reduce the spread”, not recognising that lots of contact isn’t banned – many workplaces continue, supermarkets and other shops remain open, often schools are open, and there are hospitals and care homes. Furthermore, confining people to homes can increase spread within homes.

Benedictus disputes Peter Hitchens’s claim that it was “not possible” for the lockdown announced on March 23rd to have caused the subsequent decline in daily infections and deaths, saying it is not “generally accepted”. But Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty himself stated to MPs in July that new infections were falling before lockdown. Oxford’s Professor Carl Heneghan has pointed out that GP data shows suspected Covid referrals dropped off before lockdown. The standard estimate for the average lag between infection and death is 23-26 days, which is the figure used for example by the Imperial College team in Flaxman et al, which puts peak infection around March 15th, 23 days prior to peak deaths on April 8th and nine days before the lockdown came into effect. London death peak was three days earlier, putting its infection peak on March 12th.

Benedictus claims that the second waves in the autumn disprove sceptics’ claims about herd immunity. However, it’s worth bearing in mind that some of the worst “second waves” have been in countries not badly affected in spring, such as Switzerland, Germany, Slovenia and Czechia.

It’s true that the UK did experience excess mortality in November and December, but only peaking around 20% and declining during December. Other causes of death are running below average, suggesting there is some misattribution going on; the other obvious cause of extra deaths this year is lockdown. It’s not true to say that lockdown sceptics necessarily expected an easy ride for hospitals in the autumn, with many anticipating further Covid deaths during the colder months, particularly in areas not strongly affected in spring. The point about there being no second wave is that this autumn/winter Covid epidemic is much more like an ordinary seasonal viral epidemic than something similar to the spring when the disease was new, and this time round infections seem to be caused by local outbreaks rather than a national tsunami. The point about false positives and pseudo-epidemics is not that there is no Covid around anymore but that problems with the testing regime turn something eminently manageable and basically normal into a crisis that appears much bigger and more disastrous than it really is.

Benedictus claims that lifting the lockdowns explains the resurgence of the virus, but this is untrue as lockdowns were lifted much earlier in the year yet there was no new surge until the autumn. The resurgences, insofar as they are real and not an artefact of increased testing, are much better explained by the onset of colder weather.

A more general criticism of the “fact check” is that it fails to look at the countries and states like Sweden, Belarus, Tanzania, North and South Dakota and others in the autumn such as Switzerland and Spain which did not impose strong restrictions but did not experience higher rates of Covid mortality than those that did. This means it neglects to consider the key question: what would happen without lockdown? Benedictus claims “we will never know the effects of things we did not try”, but of course we can look at other places that didn’t lock down. He quotes a Government report claiming lockdowns saved thousands of lives by preventing hospitals being overwhelmed, but fails to spot that hospitals were not overwhelmed in those regions that forewent lockdowns. Worth remembering that hospital services in the UK and other countries are routinely stretched in the winter, with people often being treated on trolleys in corridors.

In sum, Leo Benedictus’s attempt to “fact check” the lockdown sceptics falls short. He fails to engage our most important points about the countries which show epidemics declining without interventions, dismisses the significance of the main international study comparing different rates of Covid mortality, and makes factually dubious claims himself, such as that the epidemic in England began to decline in all regions simultaneously.

Must try harder.

Five Reasons Not to Close Schools

There follows a guest post by Toby Young.

Can we expect an announcement later today about whether the Government is intending to close schools? Health Secretary Matt Hancock is due to deliver the news about which other areas in England are being placed in Tier 4 after the Brexit vote and today is a good day to bury bad news, given that the headlines will be dominated by Brexit. Michael Gove said on Monday that the Government’s intention was to reopen primaries next week and make sure children in Years 11 and 13 returned, but was non-committal about other year groups. The Telegraph seems to think the announcement will be today and will include, among other things, a one-week delay in the return for Years 11 and 13.

In any event, just in case a decision hasn’t yet been made I thought I’d briefly remind the Government why closing schools is a bad idea.

1. Closing schools is regressive in that children from disadvantaged backgrounds pay a higher price than their peers. As Brendan O’Neill pointed out in the Spectator yesterday, this fact seems to have been forgotten by all those well-educated, comfortably-off “experts” recommending the closure of schools in the media this week: “There have been many shocking sights in this cursed year. For me, one of the most shocking has been the sight of comfortably off, Oxbridge-educated experts and journalists agitating for the closure of schools even though they know this will hit poor kids hardest.” He then cites the overwhelming evidence that it’s the poorest children that suffer the most from school closures.

Research by University College London, published in June, following the closure of schools during the first lockdown, found that 71% of state-school pupils had between none and one online lessons a day, while many private schools were providing four or more online lessons a day.

The National Foundation for Educational Research found that 42% of state-school children were not completing their work, and that “pupils in the most disadvantaged schools were the least likely to be engaged with remote learning”.

There were big divides even among comprehensively educated students. The Sutton Trust found that kids in middle-class homes were twice as likely to take part in online lessons as kids in working-class homes. Forty-four per cent of middle-class children had spent four hours or more on schoolwork each day when schools were closed, compared with just 33% of working-class children.

It isn’t hard to see why. The less well-off a child’s family is, the less likely that child is to have a computer, a quiet room to learn in, parents who have the time to assist with learning. When you push education out of the classroom and into the home, it is inevitable that social inequality will rear its ugly head.

And, of course, school closures result in ‘learning loss’ for all children, not just the disadvantaged. From a BBC News report in September:

The National Foundation for Educational Research’s survey questioned a weighted sample of almost 3,000 heads and teachers in about 2,200 primary and secondary schools across England.

The research was carried out just before the end of term in July – and showed how much children had fallen behind by the end of the last school year.

Almost all the teachers questioned (98%) said their pupils were behind the place in the curriculum they would normally expect for the time of year.

Overall, teachers said they had covered just 66% of their usual curriculum by July, putting pupils three months behind in their learning.

2. Paediatricians believe the harm caused by school closures outweighs the harm supposedly prevented by closing them. Dr Danielle Dooley, a Medical Director at the Children’s National Hospital in Washington, D.C., told NPR in October: “As a paediatrician, I am really seeing the negative impacts of these school closures on children. Going to school is really vital for children. They get their meals in school, their physical activity, their health care, their education, of course.” A survey published by NHS Digital in October found that one in six children aged five to 16 were likely to have a mental disorder, thanks, in part, to the impact of the first lockdown.

3. The evidence that closing schools reduces virus transmission is threadbare, at best. Research carried out by the World Health Organisation and the Royal College of Paediatricians didn’t turn up a single case of a child under 10 transmitting the virus. Last May, 22 EU member states reopened schools and found no evidence that it posed an increased risk to pupils, teachers or families. Indeed, the Prime Minister of Norway appeared on television to apologise for over-reacting to the crisis and said she regretted closing schools.

4. A large part of the rationale for closing schools again, in spite of the harm caused by closing them in the first lockdown, is that children are more susceptible to the new variant – including primary school children. But there’s little empirical evidence to support this claim. On the contrary, if we look at the ZOE app data showing symptomatic cases in the three regions said to be worst affected by the new variant – London, the South East and the East of England – infections appear to be relatively flat among those aged 0 – 19.

5. We’re often told by the teaching unions that teachers don’t want schools to reopen, but the data suggests otherwise. A Teacher Tap survey of 6,000 teachers in November found that just 39% of teachers thought schools should close during the November lockdown, while 46% believed they should remain open. Among headteachers, 69% were in favour of keeping schools open.

If the NHS is so Overwhelmed, Why is it Dismantling the Nightingales?

The London Nightingale hospital, when it still had something in it

There follows a guest post by regular Lockdown Sceptics contributor David Livermore, Professor in Medical Microbiology at the Norwich Medical School.

I read, fascinated, that the Government is dismantling Nightingale Hospitals.

This is despite rising cases, admissions and, above all, SAGE’s assertions about the hazard posed by the increased transmissibility of the VUI202012/01 variant. Support for the view that the variant really is more transmissible came yesterday from PHE’s finding that it infected 15% of a case’s contacts, as against 9.8% for the classical virus.

We know that, even without VUI202012/01, around 10-20% of reported hospital ‘cases’ with COVID-19 caught it there, whether consequentially or not. Some hospitals have seen much larger outbreaks. The NHS adds these ‘nosocomial’ cases to daily totals as ‘admissions’ even though the patients weren’t admitted with COVID-19.

If this variant is able to spread 50-70% more efficiently, you’d expect it do so in hospitals, even with the best of infection control efforts by front-line staff. Add increased transmissibility to rising Covid admissions and general winter pressures and you’d expect a sharp increase in hospital-acquired SARS-CoV-2 infection.

I posed the question of whether this was happening in the Daily Mail a week ago along with the now-answered one about household contacts.

Since which answer came there none. Perhaps it has been delayed by Christmas?

Except that, if the Government is dismantling the surge capacity provided by the Nightingales, one can only conclude that they are nothing like as worried about the mutant’s alleged transmissibility as they’ve made out.

This point applies all the more strongly in view of the fact that the NHS has apparently cut many beds in its own hospitals to aid social distancing and to reduce nosocomial transmission. This point, not widely flagged, is made in Sarah Newey’s Telegraph article of December 21st. She quotes Dr Adrian Boyle, Vice President of the Royal College for Emergency Medicine, as saying that the numbers of beds per bay have been cut from six to four, and estimates a total loss of 10,000 beds.

The notion that dismantling the Nightingales is just a staffing issue doesn’t really hold water. In the face of a strain that really is more transmissible you’d want – even more strongly – to ‘cohort’ infected patients on separate sites so far as possible, along with dedicated staff to look after them. This is the principle of classical fever hospitals, and should be practicable if there are fewer beds available at NHS sites. Preferably, you’d choose staff with a history of COVID infection and some anticipated immunity. The aim would be thereby to protect non-Covid patients, and staff, at the main NHS sites.

Since this isn’t being done, one can only conclude either that the Government isn’t really so worried about VUI202012/01, that it’s hopelessly confused, or that the cabal of modellers and behaviourists who dominate SAGE don’t have a grasp of basic hospital infection control.

Why Winter is Not Spring

There follows a guest post by the senior doctor – ex-NHS – who writes regularly for Lockdown Sceptics.

Yesterday we are told that hospitals are treating more Covid patients than at the “peak of the spring”. Professor Andrew Hayward, an official adviser to the Government and a member of NERVTAG, has helpfully shared his advice with the general public that a “national catastrophe” will soon be upon us unless more stringent population control measures are enacted indefinitely.

Toby kindly invited me to analyse the available data and assess to what extent these conclusions are justified. The usual caveats apply – one can only comment on what the NHS permits the public to see, and the granularity of the information, especially around the accuracy of diagnostic recording, is far from satisfactory.

Firstly, a look at the headline figures for inpatients across English regions (Graph 1). I have expressed these figures as paired data comparing March – April with Nov – December 28th. There are clearly possible errors here in the sense that we know when the spring peak happened and we don’t yet know when the winter peak will occur, or if it has already in some areas. Further, the date selections are arbitrary choices based on the available data, so they may not be directly comparable time series. Nevertheless, observing trends is instructive and does allow us to comment on whether we are in a worse situation now.

The immediately obvious observation is that there has been a recent rapid rise in admissions, particularly in London and the South East. The South East and East of England are currently treating significantly more Covid inpatients than in the spring, while most other areas are on a par with the spring as of the end of December.

The London inpatient figures, which show the most dramatic rise in the last week, are shown in Graph 2. While on a rising trend, the spring peak has not been exceeded as of December 28th. It is still debatable what has caused the sudden acceleration in cases. Circumstantial evidence suggests that the new variant is spreading faster in London, the South East and the East of England than in other areas, but there is insufficient evidence as yet to show causation. A paper published today by NERVTAG contains interesting data suggesting that the “new strain” VOC 202012/01 may be more contagious than the previously established variant. Luckily, the data so far also suggest there is a lower hospitalisation rate with the new variant (0.9% vs 1.5%), but this difference did not achieve statistical significance in view of the limited sample size. We await further analysis with interest.

The London ICU figures show a marked reduction on the spring figures (Graph 3), with current Covid ICU bed occupancy about 50% of the spring peak. Notably, the total available number of ICU beds in the capital is also considerably higher than in the spring, so expressed as a percentage of currently available beds, Covid patients probably account for 30% of the total. Finally, the ratio of Covid inpatients to Covid ICU patients has also changed from the spring. In April, approximately 20% of patients admitted to hospital with acute Covid ended up in ICU. So far this winter, that percentage has fallen to around 13%. So, there may be more patients ending up in hospital, but it appears that either they are proportionately less sick than in the spring, or that the early use of high dose steroids and anticoagulants has a significant beneficial effect on disease progression. Discharge data is not available until the monthly summary on January 14th, which is a shame as this is a useful marker of overall disease stress. Comparison with the recent past suggests that ICU bed occupancy as of December 20th was lower than the average of the previous three years across all English regions and this does not take into account expanded surge capacity in 2020.

Looking at more detailed comparisons from individual hospitals in London, the difference between the spring and the winter so far is clear (Graph 4). Again, it must be borne in mind that we don’t know when the winter peak will arrive, so these are not direct comparisons and the data on Graph 4 only goes up to December 22nd. That said, it is obvious that with the exception of two District General Hospitals (Lewisham in the South East and Barking in the North East sector), London hospitals are nowhere near the spring peak – and these selected units are currently the most hard pressed in the capital. There is no question that things are difficult in some London hospitals right now and things may very well get more difficult before they improve. Nevertheless, the published figures do not support the assertion that the overall situation is as bad as the spring to date.

Graph 5 shows the ONS Death registration data for this year up to Week 50 (w/e December 11th) for deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate. The difference between the spring and the winter is starkly apparent. Readers should bear in mind that there is a lag between the time of a death and its appearance in the statistics, so it is very possible that the numbers for weeks 51, 52 and the initial weeks of 2021 may yet rise, but it’s hard to see how the spring death peak of 2020 will be exceeded in the immediate future. I also observe that the Vallance/Whitty prediction of 4,000 deaths per day (28,000 per week), has not so far materialised.

I should also draw attention to the fact that Covid deaths in patients younger than 65 are too insignificant to be visible on the graph. The vast majority of Covid deaths are in the over-75 age group, and the vast majority of this section of the population have significant pre-existing comorbidities. Readers may wish to remember that the next time Hancock or Gove pronounce on the media that the virus is equally dangerous to all citizens – it clearly isn’t.

So, to what extent is the winter comparable to the spring?

The data above show that the total number of patients in hospital with Covid as the principle diagnosis is approaching the spring peak in some areas, but not all. The percentage of very sick patients needing ICU care is significantly lower than in the spring, so the overall burden of disease in terms of medical and nursing intensity is also lower. This situation may of course deteriorate in the coming weeks, but most hospitals are still managing to provide elective care despite the winter pressures, which is a good indicator that overall stress in the system is still substantially lower than in the spring. On the other hand, although the intensity of care per patient is lower, the organisational friction is substantially higher due to restrictions on cohorting of patients and moving patients around. This adds to the stress on staff who are already tired and demoralised by the constant demands of managers to hit ever more onerous targets.

Apart from the numerical differences visible in the above graphs, there are many organisational disparities between April and December. In the spring, the Covid pandemic hit a completely unprepared health system. Despite a ‘global pandemic’ being at the top of Public Health England’s risk register, there was no warning, no preparation, no effective testing system and no PPE for healthcare workers. Little was known about the disease or how best to treat it. High dose steroids, anti-coagulants and non-invasive ventilation were all unproven and used sporadically. It’s difficult to imagine a worse possible alignment of events such as happened in the spring. Despite that the system did not fail, nor was it ever overwhelmed. There was no “national catastrophe”.

The winter is significantly different to the spring. Most obviously, a winter surge cannot be regarded as a surprise. A casual review of newspaper headlines from any winter in the last 20 years will show the effect of seasonal respiratory disorders on the NHS – a ‘winter beds crisis’ is as much a traditional annual fixture as Christmas Day itself.

So quite clearly, a winter resurgence has been a known risk since May. Many preparations have been made – adequate PPE is available. We have many more ventilators, monitors and CPAP capacity than we did earlier in the year. However, the critical capacity gap in the spring was not equipment – it was suitably trained and experienced staff.

There have been six months to train extra ICU nurses to treat a known disease process. Six months to upskill already trained staff to enhance their capabilities and confidence. Six months to plan redeployment of staff from other duties to Covid wards. Six months to run tabletop exercises, to practice organisational and logistics drills, to stress test contingency plans in the event of predictable problems such as rising staff sickness rates. Six months to expand overall surge capacity. Six months to plan rest and support for our most exposed people, so they are psychologically ready for the winter upsurge.

Surely, our NHS cannot be as poorly prepared for winter Covid as it was in the spring? Surely, with six months to prepare, our experienced NHS managers must be confident in their ability to cope with a predictable risk without the system being ‘overwhelmed’?

Surely, after six months of preparation, the British public has a right to expect that our healthcare system should be in a position to manage winter pressures without constant advocacy of intensified national lockdowns and catastrophic shroud waving in the press from senior Government advisers.

Or maybe not.

Round-up

  • “What Tier 5 restrictions could include, and who it might affect” – The Telegraph speculates on what the next level of restrictions might entail
  • “2020: The year we sold our liberties for a medical tyranny” – Rob Slane in the Conservative Woman on the birth of a new religion: Covidianity
  • “More under 60s died on roads last year than those with no underlying conditions from coronavirus” – The Telegraph tries to put Covid in context
  • “Why the Twitter pitchforks came for me over an NHS statistic” – Paul Embery in UnHerd on the death threats and other bile he has had to put up with for presenting a simple statistical fact not dissimilar to the one above
  • “Vitamin D and Viral Special with Dr. David Grimes” – Latest edition of Ivor Cummins’s Fat Emperor podcast
  • “Covid-19 in Scotland – what does the data really tell us?” – Christine Padgham in Think Scotland finds tell-tale incongruities and concludes Covid is not the cause of the current excess deaths
  • “Wuhan Covid citizen journalist jailed for four years in China crackdown” – Guardian report on the appalling treatment of coronavirus dissent in the communist country. Back in November the Royal Society disgraced itself by calling for anti-vaxxers to be jailed and cited China as a role model when it comes to dealing with “disinformation”. Would the society like to clarify whether it approves of this four-year jail sentence?
  • “Why the EU’s vaccine strategy is failing” – Ross Clark in the Spectator on Brussels’s woeful failings on securing sufficient vaccines for timely use
  • “What really happened in Verbier?” – Abi Butcher in Where to Ski And Snowboard says don’t believe what you read in the newspapers: the Swiss authorities gave Brits the option to return home rather than quarantine
  • “Not so fast, Japan experts say, as COVID-19 vaccines raise hopes“– Masayuki Miyasaka, Professor Emeritus of Immunology at Osaka University, tells the Japanese Parliament that “safety has not been guaranteed” for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and “we have to treat them with extreme caution”
  • “New Zealand scientists critical of anti-lockdown letter in top medical journal” – One-sided report in the NZHerald about the nasty response to this article by the group of sceptical scientists known as Plan B. They even published a mean cartoon
  • “Are schools really driving up coronavirus infections?” – There’s little evidence they do, says Rhys Blakely in the Times
  • “All over-50s can get Covid vaccine by end of spring, NHS chief pledges” – But will they deliver? In the Times
  • “The unstoppable spread of Tier Four restrictions” – Luke Perry in Bournbrook bemoans our new authoritarian existence
  • “For the middle-aged, by the middle-aged: how the responses to COVID have ignored the preferences of those most affected” – Paul Dolan, Professor of Behavioural Science at the London School of Economics, writes on the university blog that the Government should have sought a consensus along “focused protection” lines
  • “Woman to appear in court charged with Covid breach” – Report from Nottinghamshire police of a woman who appears to have been grassed up by a neighbour for being at a friend’s house late at night on December 23rd. Bah, humbug
  • “Why I changed my mind on lockdown” – Rod Liddle talks to Brendan O’Neill on the latest spiked podcast about how he became a lockdown sceptic

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Five today: “Eyes Without a Face” by Billy Idol, “Dear Lord and Father of Mankind, Forgive Our Foolish Ways” sung by The Choir of King’s College Cambridge, “Wake Me Up When It’s All Over” by Aay Zee, “Tyranny 20” by Kit Sebastian and “Let my People Go-Go” by The Rainmakers.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

Social Media Accounts

You can follow Lockdown Sceptics on our social media accounts which are updated throughout the day. To follow us on Facebook, click here; to follow us on Twitter, click here; to follow us on Instagram, click here; to follow us on Parler, click here; and to follow us on MeWe, click here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the Taking the Initiative Party and their plans to socially ostracise all who fall foul of the PC thought police. Report from MailOnline.

A leader of a new political party inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement has called for a “race offenders’ register” that would see people barred from jobs based on having been accused of “micro-aggressions” in the workplace.

Sasha Johnson, the self-styled “Black Panther of Oxford”, came to prominence as an organiser of the BLM protests earlier this year, where she was seen addressing crowds while wearing camouflage trousers, a black beret and a stab-proof-style vest.

The 26 year-old, from the Taking the Initiative Party (TTIP) said the racial offenders list would be “similar” to the sex offenders’ register – which is used to bar paedophiles from professions like teaching.

Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, she also called for “Holocaust-style” reparations for black people on the basis that capitalism racially discriminates against them, and called for the “defunding” of Britain’s police forces.

The Oxford Brookes graduate also attacked ethnic minority politicians such as Labour MPs David Lammy and Diane Abbott, saying “as black people… they have been tokenistic”.

Ms Johnson, who is a TTIP executive committee member in charge of activism, said TTIP was “not just a party for black people” and would also represent the working class.

The party operates a system of “coalition leadership” so there is no one specific person in charge and different spokesmen sometimes air views that contradict the official party line. 

Outlining the party’s manifesto in her first interview with a national publication, she called for a national register of alleged racists that would ban them from living near people from ethnic minorities.

This would include people guilty of “micro-aggressions”, which the Oxford Dictionary defines as “indirect, subtle, or unintentional discrimination against members of a marginalised group”.

“It’s similar to the sex offenders register,” she told MailOnline. “If you were to be racially abusive to someone, [the register] would question whether someone is fit enough to hold a particular job where their bias could influence another person’s life.

“A lot of racism happens at work and places of education in a micro-aggressive way. If you exhibit an element of bias at work, you should probably receive a warning first [before later being added to the register] so people know in future that you hold these views.”

Ms Johnson said inclusion on the list would mean you could be excluded from “certain fields” of employment – or even banned from living near people from ethnic minorities.

“If you live in a majority-coloured neighbourhood you shouldn’t reside there because you’re a risk to those people – just like if a sex offender lived next to a school he would be a risk to those children,” she said.

Ms Johnson acknowledged that the idea came as a contribution from Black Lives Matter, and it was presented to TTIP at a party conference where BLM representatives were present.

While the party does not provide a list of specific offences which would warrant inclusion on the register, its manifesto does state that anyone merely “accused” of an offence would be added, as well as anyone “charged” with a race crime.

The Taking the Initiative Party was formed in summer in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests.

Worth reading in full.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p, and he’s even said he’ll donate half the money to Lockdown Sceptics, so everyone wins.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Subscribe to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road.

The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

This ad for Alaskan Airlines, promoting draconian lockdown policies with happy, smiley faces, feels like a parody – what authoritarian propaganda would look like if America was a Communist country. But it’s real (we think). Breathtakingly awful.

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Fred
Fred
5 years ago

Anyone else here to try and wrench their minds away from sweet, recurring thoughts of what you’d get up to if you had five minutes alone in a room with Neil Ferguson? He’s at it again today, quacking out the fear… an ‘infectious disease expert,’ apparently, or at least, according to the bbc… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55475240. The man is impossible. God, even two minutes would do it…

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

I actually read some of this on “teletext”.

Can’t their NHS protect itself? For example by ending mass pcr testing of healthy staff. And acting in ways that those of us not in the public sector would take for granted.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Want to return to Normal? PCR vs Rapid Antigen Animation
Ivor Cummins
163K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u6fbHGWYuc
Short and sweet, please share – and start asking questions, before they destroy your society!

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Sounds much better than pcr. Does Matt Hancock know? (And if not, why not?)

And do we all have to take RAA now?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Of course he knows, but it wouldn’t fit in with the globalist agenda the government is always pushing.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

We have to remember that he’s a useful idiot. He has no scientific or medical qualification or experience, or a job in the Real World. He spouts as if it’s all originating from his personal wisdom.

He’s got a PPE though.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Excellent, I don’t do social media but even a screenshot from towards the end could come in handy.
£10.00 RAA test, result in 20 mins against £150.00 3 days, no brainer (like hancock).

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m beginning to wonder if the PCR testing regime is just being set up to create a massive amount of state dependent jobs, presumably to employ some of the huge number soon to be unemployed. Over 300 posts on this council eventually:
https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/working-for-us/jobs/coronavirus/coronavirus-recruitment.aspx

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

The wholly inappropriate PCR testing regime was set up to create enough fear so as to push the public towards accepting a dangerous and unnecessary vaccine.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

That’s why anything to do with information on the effectiveness of Vitamin D has been suppressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_96ybTMNE

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kpaulsmith1463
kpaulsmith1463
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

I just mentioned the RA test to my step- daughter, who works in the elder care industry and has a swab pushed into her brain on a weekly basis.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Is the Rapid Antigen the same as the Lateral flow test?

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J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Fantastic – if only this tyranny had something to do with a virus, we’d surely persuade our ‘incompetent’ psychological captors to free us if we use the RAA!

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Ivermectin and COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u21N8Vu4kOk
Christy Risinger, MD

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

Could not find much from ferguson in that link except where he says
“The variant had undoubtedly made the situation more difficult and given the government less wriggle room . . .to keep some semblance of reality”

Immediately above someone else

‘preliminary research suggests the new variant virus is no more harmful in terms of causing hospitalizations and deaths’.

I would place him in a cold room at an undersized desk and tell him to write in long longhand a ten thousand word essay explaining why he is always wrong by a factor of ten.

Then I would send him to the High Court.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

You really want him to write 100,000 words?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

No, just hang the bastard.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

It is indeed hard to wrench one’s mind away, especially when one is reluctant to try.
Oh, to see the smirk wiped off that odious face, strong sceptic hands twisting that scrawny neck…
Bad Annie. Naughty, naughty Annie.

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Skippy
Skippy
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Not nearly enough Annie! Old chicken giblets requires more than a mere strangulation! You forgot to disembowel, and also you should tell him you’re going to delete his name from the history books and the science journals and universities will pay reparations for his misdeeds

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

Damnatio memoriae.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

I did consider Crucifixion. But then i realised with Easter coming up the feker might rise again!

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chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Nailed upside down to a church door might do it

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  chris c

Skin nailed to a church door.
It’s been done before.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes, his face is indeed ‘odious’. I’ve said it many times before, but there is something very ‘wrong’ about him.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Bill Gates likes him, is that not enough?

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I watched an interview of him at the start of this fiasco where he sort of admitted he was “wedded” to the outcome of his model. In other words tweak the parameters to get the result you want. There is something unnerving about him and prefer to avoid watching his interviews.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Good Annie.

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Thomasina
Thomasina
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

And the man doesnt even have an O level in Biology!! He is purely a mathematical modeler. So much influence getting so many things wrong over the years, yet the Gov continue to employ him. Shocking.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

Not even a one year degree qualification in Public Health, not that that is at all helpful.
Should be called Public Health Studies.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

One full year at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg (Michael) School of Public Health, memorizing a handpicked series of books on medicine and health will give you a Masters Degree of Public Health. They crank them out like that sausage making scene in The Wall. A very effective Scam.
Go to their website and check their book reading list. If you have time, investigate who wrote these books and who sponsored them (Bloomberg, Gates, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation).
https://www.rwjf.org/

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

He’s their Ace Fearmonger. Irreplaceable.

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Banjones
Banjones
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

A tad more qualified than Madge H, who is the Health Secretary yet has no scientific or medical experience or qualification whatsoever. What a pair of strange-looking, empty-eyed thralls.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

Unlike the HOP and the PM Imperial College and Wife-fucker Ferguson has virtually no security.. just saying…

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

Forgive me for harbouring such dark thoughts, but it would amuse me no end if his exotic private life led to Prof Lockdown presenting himself at hospital with an infection entirely unconnected with Covid-19.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

Ah Clap for Mr Ferguson…..

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

I honestly dont think I would be able to control myself with him and I am a peaceful man!

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

I would send him to Xinjiang ( home of the Uyghur) to experience technocracy at it’s fullest.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The bat cave near Wuhan.

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Carlo Emilian
Carlo Emilian
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Oh yeah go and meet Bat Lady herself who I hear knows Bill Gates personally!!

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

I think you are too tired in with British Death. Hung, drawn etc. Who cares you were dead after the hanging. I can see good ideas from the confession methods, like thumbscrews the rack, anybody who has seen our mate Guy Fawkes signature before and after will see the effectiveness of that. Prof pantsdown demise should be slow and painful, death of a thousand cuts, growing bamboo through you seems a bit more lingering. How the fuck is he an infectious disease expert? And again why is he not challenged on anything he says?

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

Well, whatever is done to Ferguson, it must mean he gets to live a long and despairing life with the consequences of an irreparable maiming.

A paring knife to take his eyes. A rusty snare to take his tackle. Secateurs to take his tongue.

Be sure to have someone from ‘our NHS’ on hand to make sure he doesn’t make his escape into death’s sanctimonious embrace.

In the event that he does, in fact, die from his maiming be sure to have a fully charged mobile to hand, so you can record a TikTok of yourself dancing on his foetid carcass, to the tune of Happy by Pharell Williams.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

And 5 minutes with Tomas Pueyo and his godawful Hammer and Dance article that was based on Ferguson’s models.

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redbirdpete
redbirdpete
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

He knows nowt about infectious disease – he is a statistician with a poor grasp of both probability theory and computer programming. And also a steaming hypocrite. Good company for Our Leader in the last.

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Novidnineteen
Novidnineteen
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

With apologies to the Rt Hon. Alan B’Stard

“How was it for you?”

“Unprecedented…”

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J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred

I factored Neil Ferguson into my last email to my local MP, Ian Levy. He never responded to this one, so I’m assuming he either has no answers or can’t be bothered to respond: Mr Levy, following the devastating and completely predictable U-turn made by your party’s government to effectively prevent people from celebrating Christmas and New Year together, I must again write to you and express my anger.The public have been routinely lied to, deliberately terrified into obedience and pushed from pillar-to-post with constant snap-changes to ‘rules.’ This has been a cruel game of cat and mouse with no end in sight.Correct me if I’m wrong; you have voted in favour of this at every opportunity.Why is Neil Ferguson still advising the government? To quote your colleagues over on the Time for Recovery group: ‘His vastly inflated projections were central to billions being wasted on useless vaccines after the H1N1 virus emerged. He forecast up to 200 million deaths from Bird Flu. There were less than 300. He predicted that 50,000 people would die from BSE. The figure was 177. His ‘severely flawed’ modelling over foot and mouth disease in 2001 led to the slaughter of over 6 million healthy animals.’This… Read more »

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

I’m fed up of hearing the NHS moaning

I’m fed up of getting locked up and losing every normal aspect of my life because the NHS doesn’t function properly

How many staff do they have? What is their budget? Yet it’s never enough, and it never will be enough

This year vast swathes of the NHS has closed down freeing up huge resources, yet they still say they can’t cope

If every person in the land became an NHS employee it still wouldn’t perform

Enough is enough

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Even without the current bollox – nectar and ambrosia to feed the NHS monster – it would still have been unable to cope. It’s chronically unable to cope, and with a fast-growing, ageing population it will always be unable to cope. This is because health ‘needs’ are infinite, snd resources are finite. You can print money (or so Fishyrishi thinks), but you can’t print beds, or doctors, or nurses.
I curse the monster that, in the name if preserving life, has sucked the meaning out of living.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Francis Fukuyama has made an interesting observation that while humanity has succeeded in extending the lifespan (quantity), it hasn’t figured out how to extend the quality of life. Hence why we have so much problems with provision of care for old people especially when they become frail or develop conditions such as dementia or Alzheimer’s

And well said, in the name of preserving life, this has sucked the meaning out of living. The insane policies that this government have enacted with regards this virus has shown that they don’t care about the quality of life but its about the quantity at all costs.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’ve had this conversation with a few medics over the years. Most agree that they should stop pointlessly keep extending life but concentrate on quality .
They make it clear that to express this view publicly would not help their careers.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That’s sad and unfortunately their silence is part of the reason why we’re having these issues.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The business of extending life to keep care homes in business is disgusting. My Mum was a hollow shell who had no idea who I was because of dementia and was just kept alive by all the pills they poured into her daily. Took all her savings to pay for it, and would have taken the value of her house too if she hadn’t succumbed to having to go to hospital where they missed her treatments and she passed away.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Absolutely. This is an issue that must be faced, including the financial interests of pharma/others in promoting this system. A couple of MPs (cross-party) did raise the matter in summer.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

A husk of a man pays as much tax as a fully realised man.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The government isn’t remotely interested in extending anyone’s life, except its own. Everything it has done, in the name of granny, has been to push the country towards Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset world, which paradoxically will have no place for nearly all of us. The Covid-19 event is about a massive population reduction. The unnecessary Covid vaccines are the means by which the depopulation will be brought about.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I think that both you and Bart S are correct. This is a good example of where two ways of looking at something can be both right: one at the societal level (Bart S) and one at the level where various interests are taking advantage of this situation in society.

So, I disagree that gov’t doesn’t care about extending lives, but that does not mean that the situation that has arisen (or been created/manipulated) is not being ruthlessly exploited by the diabolical Great Reset people.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

There’s no evidence that the UK government cares about elderly people including the 40,000 it ruthlessly culled in care homes, last spring. Lockdowns are unscientific blunt instruments and do far more harm than good and while we’re aware of this, the government clearly can’t grasp this blindingly obvious fact. Johnson’s government is in the pockets of Bill Gates and his pal Klaus Schwab, who both want us dead.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Government sponsored murder.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

That sums it up briefly, but correctly.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yet they still don’t seem to understand why so many deaths occurred in care homes during the early part of this year.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Exactly.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Local Live are reporting 10% staff shortages at my main regional hospital but they had previously said 1,100 individuals were off for Covid and none Covid reasons.
It seems unlikely that one hospital employs 11,000 people.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

You may be surprised. I just checked on my local hospital trust (Mid-Yorkshire) and they emply 8,000 staff, so a figure of 11,000 doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Well the NHS employs well over a million people. One of the biggest employers in Europe I believe. Not sure how many hospitals there are, but those numbers seem reasonable to me…

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Gardner

That’s 10% of the population in my city !

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

People as opposed to doctors and nurses. Many of that number will be admin.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Same with public and private companies throughout the land.
This started many, many years ago when practical experience was ditched in favour of theoretical qualifications.
The amount of people with years of practical knowledge who were sidelined in favour of graduates resulted in the former to leave or take early retirement.
I’ve said it time and time again: BULLS××T BAFFLES BRAINS.
The events of the last 9 months prove that point

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

That’s a very common problem now infecting workplaces. Feminists like to bleat about glass ceilings where women are held back from certain positions but there’s another glass ceiling they fail to mention – the tyranny of paper qualifications. It’s fairly bad in heritage where its hard to progress or even move on if you don’t have an art history or museum studies degree. Yet they’re so many unemployed art history and museum studies graduates. Why is that?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I have a colleague who also used to be in banking and some of his experiences tallied with yours above.

He’s always said that working your way up was invaluable for a bank because the employee would get to know all the procedures, processes and protocols from the bottom up. Hence why you wouldn’t get the problems you have now then because someone would know where the problem was. Now people wouldn’t have the awareness of someone below them or in another department was doing because they had no exposure of what was done there.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Exactly and we see that now even with basic banking where the call centres can sometimes make things worse.

And the gloating over the bankers losing their jobs in 2008 was repugnant. I’ve always had a more nuanced view of banking as I saw first hand how if its done properly can be of mutual benefit. However what you’ve described has gone in the way of the Dodo and that’s why we’re in this mess.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Thank you kh, I always appreciate your informative comments.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

The same thing has happened with the police recruiting direct entry graduates. Once upon a time a copper had to do the time and earn his stripes. That was when you could ask a copper for directions without legal representation. Now it just proves that one out of three coppers is just as stupid as the other two!

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chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Yes I saw that in spades in industry. Clueless fuckwits with “qualifications” replacing the knowledgeable. As a colleague said of one of the, “he gives good meeting”. They crash a company and just move on to the next one. Now there are hardly any businesses left they end up in the NHS.

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redbirdpete
redbirdpete
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

The cult of the professional manager who knows nowt about what he/she/it is managing. They are sadly a curse in private industry too.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

It is the government’s own policies which have caused the problem. The use of PCR tests and the rules on self-isolation for non-symptomatic ‘cases’ have made staff shortages inevitable.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

In the U.S.A., People’s Rights.org held severaly community gatherings during the summer, with barbecues and mask burning.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

The staff shortages are also intentional.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I can’t make my mind up whether Matt Hancock is responding to this letter from January 2020 by trying to solve the problem (by reducing patient using the services) or by giving the NHS leaders enough rope to hang themselves: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/matt-hancock-nhs-funding-hospitals-accident-emergency-targets-a9309956.html

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Probably both.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Simon Dolan has put out a fantastic tweet responding to complaints that the NHS is short staffed. He points out that the NHS is the world’s 4th biggest employer with 1.3m employees and asks – how many people do they need?

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I don’t think they will ever have enough resources, if they had too many staff they would just expand their remit or give people reduced hours or extra holiday. We know Johnson will promise to spend hundreds of billions more on the NHS justified by the crisis he has largely caused.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Promises mean nothing.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

NHS suffers from Bloat, like the latest Microsoft Operating System.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Oh, it’s foot in mouth, I think. That was Professor pantsdown as well, wasn’t it?
Wasn’t popular with farmers and was a colossal and tragic waste, but then again, it would be, wouldn’t it with him involved.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It was foul.
It was sadistic.
It was beastly.
It was pointless.
It was Ferguson.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hang on, if it saved just one cows life

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chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Anyone else suspect he is a vegan?

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chrissie3
chrissie3
5 years ago

Thank you for the excellent destruction of Benedictus.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  chrissie3

Fullfact factpwned 😀

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago

Why is LS talking about ‘second waves’? Stop using their language please and stop dragging in your hatred of Socialism when you’re supposed to be about so-called ‘lockdowns’.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Yes, we need to concentrate on building the broadest possible coalition to bring our human lives back.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Agreed. We need a broad-based humanity vs. technocracy/corporatism alliance. No longer a leftist myself, but I have a lot of respect for those on the ‘left’ who are speaking out on this issue.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

Tragic that so few do despite the huge left wing case about lockdown.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Dread Covid, scourge of humankind,
Forgive our sceptic ways!
Divest us of our thinking mind,
In causeless fear Thy service find,
In abject grovelling, praise!

In simple trust like theirs who heard
From holy BBC
The gibbering of the panicked horde,
Let us, without a thought or word,
Fall flat and worship Thee!

Drop poison dews of beastliness
Till our resistance cease.
Destroy our souls with strain and stress
And let our coward lives confess
There can be no release.

Breathe through the calm that we desire
Thy panic and Thy harm,
Let sense be dumb, let brain retire,
Speak through Thy lies, each time more dire,
Oh shrieking voice of harm.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

An apposite choice for your re-wording, I understand the original was written as a counter to the histrionics and wild mania of revivalist religion – like covid cult?

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Harry hopkins
Harry hopkins
5 years ago

“If The New COVID-19 Strain is More Transmissible, Why Isn’t It Taking Over in Every Region?”
Because Sars cov 2 (the virus) has never been isolated or purified making Covid-19 (the disease) total fiction which makes ‘a new Covid-19 strain a complete pile of Sh*te.

Asking questions like ‘why isn’t it taking over in every region?’ is falling into the trap of discussing more unadulterated rubbish—-which is, of course, just what the perpetrators of this nonsense so desire.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry hopkins

Yes, disputing their details, while accepting their general argment.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry hopkins

I very much wonder how the overworked labs can take time and which tests they use to determine the difference between the samples.
I am quite bad a natural sciences, but as far as I can understand the PCR test, would it be that easy for a technician to specify which variant/strain it is?

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

“full fact” – full of shit more like

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

foolfuct

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

Much discussion in todays LS news about the details of hospital data which is fair enough but yet for me after all these months, the hospital data does not matter, the death rate only matters if it vears alarmingly and unexpectedly which is not the case at present. To me what matters is our human rights, our civil liberties and our freedom of movement and I feel that with these continuing restrictions we have sold our birthright for a ‘mess of pottage’. Back in the days of the Manor House system you had to ask permission from the Lord of the Manor to leave your parish, the freedom of movement we used to enjoy in this country was hard won and was a hugely valuable freedom but we have given it away for next to nothing. My wife tells me that many in society would regard me as having an extreme position and that the majority of people in the UK are happy to give up their rights, liberties and freedoms to save the ‘blessed NHS’ and protect themselves from death. But to me the loss of rights, liberties and freedoms is in itself a worse type of illness and… Read more »

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Definitely not.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

We didn’t give them away they were taken by a fascist government acting under the pretext of protecting the NHS.
Most people are under the impression that when the crisis is over we will all go back to normal,this is wrong.
No one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it
The latest manifestation of this power is plunging the rest of England into Tier 4,which is lockdown by another name,in readiness for the rollout of the experimental vaccine.
It they succeed then our relationship with the state is changed forever.We will no longer be freeborn men and women but cattle to be branded,tracked and traced.
It this sounds extreme think back to February 2019,and remember what you were allowed to do,and now what is permitted,all for a virus which is no more danger than seasonal flu.

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danny
danny
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Exactly. Imagine December 2019. The PM turns up on TV and blithely announces that xmas is cancelled for millions, that he has decided to ban you seeing your loved ones, but that some lucky parts of the country can do so, but only in their gardens. That all shops and businesses must close or face arrest. That schools will be locked. That hospitals will be locked for most.
That not wearing a muzzle at all times will be punishable and that people should work to pressure others into consent for all this….
What really makes me the angriest is how most of this has happened without even a whisper.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Boiling frog tactics.The government have always proceeded slowly.They leak a new restriction.Test the reaction then decide whether to proceed.The Nazis did the same.Bit by bit people were stripped of their rights.
I also think the first lockdown has caused mass psychosis in the population.The effect of separating people from family friends and work colleagues and then beaming death porn propaganda directly at them has changed people.This is the tactics of a cult.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Well now, Bill’s Broadcasting Corporation and the rest of the paid-off media were always going to do all they could to stifle any opposition. The brain-dead zombies in the street have bought the nonsense hook line and sinker, so now it’s really up to ourselves as individuals. Ignore all lockdown and tier restrictions, do not get tested and avoid the vaccines as if your life depended on it, because it literally does.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

A very popular local pub closed down on Xmas Eve despite us being in tier 2.
They released this statement yesterday.

“We look forward to better times on the horizon. Easter, sunshine and tier 1, with the vaccine in wide circulation”.

They might as well sell up now because that ain’t going to happen.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That sums it up, really. They are anticipating the “sunlit Uplands” of Tier 1, which still implies and acceptance of ongoing restrictions to our freedom. On a more practical level, we’ve already seen plenty of evidence of government arbitrarily altering the Tier definitions, so they’ll probably celebrate their eventual emergence into Tier 1, only find that the pubs are still shut!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

I doubt the vaccines will be that experimental. Big Pharma, Bill Gates and our corrupt government know that the vaccines will do exactly what they are supposed to do.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It was the black death, a proper epidemic from hell, that freed the serfs from feudalism.
There were so few survivors amongst the peasants that if they thought they might get a better deal elsewhere then off they went and there was nobody to stop them. The introduction of the Market Economy to labour no less.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

One historian called the B. D. ‘a salutary blood-letting’.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

No you aren’t. We’re subjected to a living death and I feel sorry especially for children because at the bare minimum they have 60-odd years left on this earth.

That’s why I’ve unfollowed my sister and brother-in-law on their anti-social media accounts, seeing my nieces masked and wearing visors as well as attending school in front of an iPad was just too much. They might look outwardly A-OK but of course we won’t know what damage all this would have caused until 10-20 years down the line.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

You are not alone Steve. Without our rights and liberty there will be no normal to return to.
I fear this Government far more than I fear this virus.
My MP assures me that these restrictions are only temporary. After ten months of creeping totalitarianism thing don’t look very temporary to me.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Your MP is full of baloney.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I fear that you are, as are we all on LS. It is really difficult to tell how many people have lost their minds. I certainly don’t believe the polls on support for lockdown, but we all know there are more than enough of them. Here in CH, which many people seem to think of as sceptical, our public health body (BAG), health minister and the hysterical media are ‘gravely concerned’ about the ‘mutant variant’. One thing which strikes me about the NHS discussion. Yes, NHS is bad in comparison with other countries, for instance Germany and CZRep. But Germany is locked down anyway. And even though Germany and CR are experiencing bigger ‘waves’ now, neither seem to be relying on ‘hospitals overrun’ narrative, because this would not wash. So, the narrative is slightly different (minimizing deaths until vaccine arrives), but achieves the same aim as NHS narrative: lockdown. It is as though lockdown is the aim everywhere, and you look for criteria to impose it. CR has a complicated system called PES, which looks very scientific with lots of factors fed in to give a different number every day, but critics say the underlying logic of the model lacks… Read more »

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Thanks, Steve. The surrender of our fundamental freedoms has been the worst part of this shitshow, in my opinion. Even after all these months, I still cannot believe that people in liberal democracies (not just the UK) have gone along with this for so long. I was against it from the beginning because I did the research and saw that the lockdown was a huge overreaction that pandered to, and exacerbated, public hysteria. Having lived and worked in China, I was also able to see how dangerous it was to believe anything coming out of that country; democracies should not emulate its policies. To be fair (why?) to the UK government, I don’t think the PM wanted to do this at first, and even his advisers were sceptical of lockdowns – remember what they said in public? Once they went down this dark path, however, it became very difficult to return without admitting a very grave and costly error. Still, the Norwegian government did do this, but was one of very few. By May, it should have been very clear that the epidemic in Europe was over, yet most governments continued on with feeding the mass psychosis, and here we… Read more »

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microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

Liberal democracy cannot function without fundamental freedoms and to see so many people who fail to understand, let alone appreciate, this basic fact is actually soul-destroying to me I’ve not spoken to my neighbour for some time – he’s an ex copper, and both his offspring work in the NHS, so you can imagine his take on the current situation. But he just collared me as I was unloading the shopping (Aldi, unmasked with exemption, should you ask), and his “How are you?” was met with a decidedly frosty reply, about the insanity we presently live in. He readily admits that there are far too many mangers & administrators in the Health Service, yet clearly is in thrall to the official narrative as regards the virus, and what his son reports from our local hospital. I pointed out that the NHS statistics show a lower overall occupancy than the running average, but he said this was because routine admissions have been virtually stopped, claiming that this was being kept quiet, which of course isn’t true. I mentioned the Great Barrington Declaration, The Great Reset & Build Back Better, but he’d not heard of any of them! I asked him if… Read more »

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Not from me you ain’t.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago

Many people have commented on the ‘intelligence’ of Covid-19. It seems to know where it is, who it’s with and what they’re doing. May I suggest that it is also ‘vote’ sensitive. Whenever there is a parliamentary vote in the offing, the virus goes on the rampage causing a wave of new ‘infections’ and threatens the collapse of the NHS. In fact, it makes the destruction of our country seem justified. So clever.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

How many MPs have been infected so far?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago

I posted this late last evening. It highlights the fact that C-19 is being used as distraction.

EVIDENCE OF UK GOVERNMENT PROPERTY AND LAND GRAB
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VErboJxgGKr9/?fbclid=IwAR02gjmI52CoscBzVa62WnaILbrGEiVz8wcuQ4NpBUcdJEtHNv4jcz2zg8w
Apparently authentic correspondence from government shown in video

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Seen this before. Think this is just the closure of a dormant company with no assets and a silly name.

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danny
danny
5 years ago

Main headline of the DM today “doctors will have to make horrendous choice as to who will live and who will die.”
Firstly, rubbish.
Secondly, isn’t that what they’ve been doing since lockdown began, in cancelling operations, GPs refusing to see patients etc?
Also, ever since the start of this shameful dereliction of duty, doctors and care homes have been pushing DNR “consent” on thousands, from the very elderly to (I’m sure I read this in the summer but it has been somehow dismissed) disabled kids showing signs of Covid too?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Doctors have been making those choices since medicine began. When resources are limited, some get them and some don’t. End of.
They’ve already decided that Covvies should live and cancer patients should die. And that is horrendous.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

My very fit best friend has discovered he has a heart condition that needs surgery. The Op itself is not dangerous but it needs doing. Not doing it will mean his heart will burn itself out and he will die. Not a problem, it was discovered because he kept getting out of breath doing things that he would normally do with no problem. It’s no problem it would take two years to become serious so we will book you in. GREAT thanks NHS. Ah only problem this was discovered last October, he was meant to have the op in March. Bet you can’t guess what happened, been rescheduled four times was supposed to happen last week! And….. because of the pressure of covid…… my mate is now getting out of breath walking up the fucking stairs. He gets helpful advice like, if you feel a heart attack please come in, WHAT!! So someone like my mate who never goes to the doctor and will probably live for another 25 years is left to possibly die while some fat fuck is treated for respiratory problems, or a 90 yo gets treatment to keep them alive for another six months. DO NO… Read more »

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Bullsit headline..I was a combat medic and and in combat triage means that you mark your patient on the probability of them surviving..You usually put a mark on their forehead with a marker..So if this is very low you basically keep them comfortable with morphine (if there is any) or sometimes just hold their hand..This is every day so do not give me a sob story about these overpaid fuckers.You are a doctor,it is a part of your daily job FFS !!!

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago

Rona Lisa

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Decanter

Brilliant!

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Is that Greta?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Zoom University.

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_96ybTMNE
Ep104 – Vitamin D and Viral Special with Dr. David Grimes et al – Vital Viewing!
I take between 1000IU and 100,000IU per day.. usually with K2…

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago

What annoys me about the sheep is that they don’t asks difficult questions or engage in critical thinking. These are questions I would like to ask those who clap for and worship the NHS. The NHS has become a covid only service and treatment has stopped for other illnesses. As a result of this huge numbers are suffering and dying. Why do you worship an organization which has stopped providing health care? How would you feel if another public service did the same thing? For instance, the fire brigade decides to only respond to vehicle accidents and will not respond to other calls. If this policy was adopted the fire brigade would not come if your house caught fire. Would you clap for and praise the fire service? How would you feel if the private sector adapted a policy of only providing limited goods and services? For instance, all the supermarket chains adapt a policy of only selling apples in their fruit and veg section, only selling corn flakes in their cereal section and only salad cream in their condiments section.  Why should our taxes pay for the NHS when we don’t have access to it? The justification for draconian lockdowns which has prevented people seeing family and friends,… Read more »

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Good point well made. Thing is about this new virus, you were struggling at first. But then you have had six months to plan for winter with something you now are totally familiar with. So what did you change? You took out some beds!! Oh yes and we test everybody all the time? So your actions mean we have LESS capacity and 80,000 of your staff are having to self isolate at home!! Shut up and clap FFS.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Well Tiers have been well and truly debunked (even though they are lockdown by another name). There is nothing to fear from another national lockdown. Who knows, it might be #thirdtimelucky

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chaos
chaos
5 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-tier-4-announcement-covid-restrictions-oxford/#comments

See if you can spot the ‘Israel’ trend in the comments.. good old CCHQ/77th brigade.. flag them all as spam….

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

Our leaders in 20-30 years time will come from the children whose education is now being trashed. That’s a happy thought.

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danny
danny
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Can they be any worse?

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

If they keep the current trend of safety-ism going, the next generation will be putting in measures to put an end to the intolerable threat of paper cuts.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

‘Our leaders’

How do you know that there will be a ‘we’ in 30 years time?

..and if there is, what will ‘we’ look like?

What will society look like?

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Not only that but they will become our Scientists, Surgeons and Doctors …..

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chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Idiocracy comes true

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Children of the Damned.

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Bill Hickling
Bill Hickling
5 years ago

Did I read above that the papers claiming to validate lockdowns were based on modelling again? That says it all really.

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danny
danny
5 years ago

How many people are willing to forego their principles and see the laws of the land destroyed, simply because they happen to agree with the end result?
I am constantly astonished by this hypocrisy amongst friends and colleagues regarding lockdown.
Passionate advocates of free speech, happy to now ban protest.
People that would never have voted for Boris, now carefully adhering to bubble rules etc.
Even on the issue of the environment. People that would berate you for using a plastic bag, now decked out in plastic “to be safe”.
The veneer of integrity is vanishingly thin.
I have always believed in the rule of law. I would fight to let the KKK march down my road as long as they were legal, just as i would fight to hold a counter rally condemning them.
So fed up with people basically not minding those authoritarian regime, simply because they like the outcome.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

THey like the outcome- so far.

Let’s see if they like what’s coming down the pike.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

In some ways this virus hoo-haa has given the ruling junta the opportunity to test out the public with regard to the huge changes, restrictions and reduction in living standards that will come when they roll out the changes that will be needed to implement their climate change policies. Before long they will be turning off the gas supply to whole areas of housing, they now know they can browbeat the public into accepting this. The move to electric cars will see many lower income people unable to have their own car any more, again they now know they can get away with doing this.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The trouble is that most of the people that believe in climate change have already adapted to those oppressive measures and probably have their own heat pumps installed so turning the gas off won’t bother them (they think). They also cycle everywhere or already own a Prius so electric cars won’t bother them either.

There is only one way to frighten them into the real world and that is to tell them there won’t be enough electricity left to charge their mobile phones.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

Or their computers, cooking appliances, homes, etc.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Don’t let them get away with it. Ask Boris how many electric power stations and renewables will be needed to power all the projected electric cars. I bet he doesn’t know. And doesn’t care as well. Why? Because it’s just a cover for other, more insidious, plans.

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chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Not only that, the entire power grid right down to the cables in your street will need to be upgraded. Which will use masses of petrol and diesel

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Agree. Been seeing that for months now, its disheartening to see how people have become because of this virus and the response to it. The worst are family and friends.

It’s like the Picture of Dorian Gray – now what we’re seeing is the ugliness underneath but these people still think they’re being “good” and “caring.”

That said, it will be interesting to see how they will behave when the shit finally hits the fan and they realise that they’ve been played all along.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The problem is that the bulk of objections against lockdowns are based on the argument that they don’t work, or they do more harm than good.

The only argument that should ever have been made from the outset is that they are immoral because they violate our basic freedom, which should stand above everything as a principle.

We used to think freedom was worth risking one’s life for. Many of our ancestors did.

What political leader today is standing up for freedom, reminding us that freedom is worth risking life for?

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Agree entirely. People just don’t value freedom. I would have said that they will come to value it once it’s been taken away, but that doesn’t seem to have happened yet. I despair.

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james007
james007
5 years ago

I dont understand why the Nightingales are closing. How many staff does a 500 bed Covid hospital need? 80? Not all of them have to be doctors and consultants, all the patients will have similar illnesses.

If the army helped build them, why can’t they help staff them? The army has around 4000 medical reservists. There are more army doctors on active duty who could be made available
https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/defence-medical-services

And what about all the undergrads studying medicine? I am sure many of the cleaver ones would be willing to volunteer to help.
A boot camp training programme could be designed to get a few hundred talented workers in a short space of time.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Thousands of newly retired doctors and nurses volunteered to be reactivated for the Covid, hardly any were utilized.
The government have never really been as worried as they pretend to be.

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james007
james007
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Plus all the hundreds of people in high vis jackets, standing around in car parks shivering, passing test kits through car windows. I’d rather work as a cleaner or porter in a hospital that do that.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

As evidenced by the duping delight grins from Matt Hancock every time he talked about vaccinating the whole population- practically rubbing his hands with glee

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

Duping Delight! Now there’s a blast from the past! Yes. It appears the only skill Hancock has.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Spot on, as evidenced by their approach to the increasing numbers of Channel hopping refugees from the Macron regime – even as British citizens were under house arrest.

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Ganjan21
Ganjan21
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Good point, if we are in such a deadly pandemic, why not use the Army medics? Hhmmmm yes like kh1485 says, too sensible!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ganjan21

Good point. Wasn’t that the whole point of the MASH units in the old days?

To easy and sensible I think.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

The Nightingales are chocolate teapots because they can only treat people who only have Covid and hardly anyone admitted to hospital with Covid only has covid. I suspect that the majority of them don’t actually have covid they have just tested positive for covid.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

In fairness,I think you would need a lot of qualified/trained staff but as mentioned in the newsletter etc, they’ve had 6 months to plan train etc and they still bleat that they risk being overrun.
I suspect the Nightingales were built because the PRC built them just like lockdown was inspired by Italy and maybe overuse (and certainly huge expensive purchases) of ventilators was based on Spanish & Italian experience as the epidemic appeared to move westwards.
In short, HMG had no real idea or plan and straightaway went to SAGE & Ferguson reliance mode.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Was the ExCel Centre Nightingale ever useable? Take a look at yesterday’s picture: I see no drainage in that spacious concrete floor. If there were toilets and washing facilities, they must have been miles away.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

My mate who worked there told me there was only staff toilets which were already at the exhibition centre no toilets near the patients wards

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Just theatre, then.

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Are there loads of army medics just sat around though? I live near a large army base and some of my friends are army medics. They are working as GPs or physios or surgeons or whatever when they are not on training exercises or on deployment. Just like regular doctors.

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djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

You won’t be going to a nightingale hospital to recover.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

The problem is not the staffing levels or the lack of toilets etc. The problem is that there are hardly any suitable pure Covid patients. They are all seriously ill with something else and happened to be PCR positive or infected in hospitals. A field hospital cannot cope with people who have need for specific medical equipment and expertise beyond bedside ventilation/intubation.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Sorry, didn’t see that Will had posted pretty much the same thing.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Ah but then they couldn’t claim the NHS is overwhelmed to justify the fears for tiers.

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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Given that the nightingales were so poorly designed that they couldn’t accept conscious patients due to the lack of toilet facilities and hence could only accept ventilated patients, a 500 bed facility would require a minimum of 250 nursing staff per shift, and if the RCN hadn’t reduced their nurse patient ratio for such settings it would be 500 nurses per shift. As ventilated patients are by necessity unconscious they are ITU patients.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Just spotted from HMG

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Is this the one with new technology? – I forget / struggle to care.

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l835
l835
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Traditional dead virus I believe

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

Thanks. Hope I survive long enough to refuse it. Looking forward to being a second class citizen who can’t sit at the front of the bus whoop whoop

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It’s new technology in humans. It uses a chimpanzee adenovirus (ie a chimp cold) as a vector to get the gene to create the antigen (the protein on the surface of the virus that the body will hopefully create antibodies to) into your cells.

The idea is that humans have no antibodies to chimp colds, so the chimp virus acts as a Trojan horse to get the coronavirus dna into your body and produces the antigens, which then creates an immune response and confers immunity on the host.

I think an animal vaccine has been developed with this approach. No human ones.

My main issues with it are (1) the trial protocols are a sodding mess (2) there have been 2 instances of transverse myelitis reported that I am not comfortable about (3) the U.K. regulators are under phenomenal political pressure to approve this

I’d want to see what the FDA has to say about it before I would even consider letting anyone I love touch it with a barge pole.

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Chimp virus, eh ?

Simian Flu anyone ?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Planet of the Apes Revisited.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

The F.D.A. has been taken over by Robert Wood Johnson Foundation alumnis.

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Ganjan21
Ganjan21
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Another day, another strain, another vaccine

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ganjan21

Is this the Mutant Hero Vaccine?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

That’s certainly taking the biscuit.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Using the semi-dead London Underground, Mr Bart and I have sometimes entertained ourselves with looking at the adverts and one of them was from that toiletries company Baylis and Harding who have also jumped on the sanitiser bandwagon and have started creating their own version.

The blurb was infuriating for two reasons:

  1. using the misleading “kills 99.9% of bacteria” – why would you want to do that? Do they not know that the human body consists of bacteria and viruses? If you eliminate 99.9% then we should all be dead.
  2. “perfect for on the go and around the house” – fair enough to the former as you might find yourself somewhere with no handwashing facilities so the sanitiser is a back up but at home???? To which I would reply, WASH YOUR HANDS WITH SOAP AND WATER YOU MORONS!!!!

No doubt the sheep/zombies will rush to buy some.

Here endeth my rant.

Last edited 5 years ago by Bart Simpson
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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Does not need saying, as I did in my office, killing 99% of bacteria is beside the point. Covid is not a bacteria, it might as well kill flies.

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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Recent purchase of kitchen cleaner spray was labelled as anti-viral, no changes to the formulation but no longer antibacterial.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Generations from now people will look back on our times as a period when we were profoundly ignorant about the microbial world and how essential it is to life. They will see our approach to elimination of bacteria and viruses a bit like we see medieval bloodletting.

Someone like Bill Gates and who has devoted the latter part of his life almost religiously to the elimination of viruses through vaccination, if remembered at all, will stand as an example the ignorance of the early 21st century and of how the harmful misguided actions of our time came to pass.

Another possibility is that generations from now we won’t be human anymore but cyborgs and the tech moguls of today will be remembered like Greek gods sitting on Mount Olympus.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I remember the day when my friend dropped her liquorice into the public playground sandpit, enjoyed the sand on it and continued to do eat it. Any bacteria would have been minimal, but some people would have had a heart a

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Guardian reporting only 40% of French will accept a vaccine. I believe our numbers will be similar, despite the wall-to-wall propaganda making us feel like pariahs.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It’s in the Guardian so is it true?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

Fair point.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I had the same jaundiced view of the Telegraph when I gave up on it in late March.

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Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

Anything in the MSM is propaganda / or fake news until proven otherwise. Perhaps this was always the case but we only realised it this year. I would be amazed if the figure wasn’t 90% + looking at the unquestioning levels of compliance in France (or is it just fear of the Police and government not fear of the Virus?)

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Can’t imagine the Gilet Jaunes taking it
The Arabs are pretty wary too

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

I quite agree with your sceptisicm toward corporate media, but in this case the figure is probably believable, because the 90% figure would be the one that the official narrative wants.

Specifically, in France several leading medical figures have expressed doubts about the new-tech RNA ‘vaccines’. So, the figure may relate only to these specific vaccines. France is developing its own vaccine of a more traditional nature. And it may be that the French national interest lies in promoting this vaccine at a later date.

In general, I think there is a good deal of hesitancy or downright scepticism toward vaccines in a number of countries. That is why they are trying to keep everyone shut up now…

Last edited 5 years ago by JanMasarykMunich
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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

And they can’t give it away here. Many over 80’s refusing. Open to others but not many takers.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

It’s turning out as I predicted months ago (thanks to my unique genius). The vaccine is not working as the end point of the Hollywood narrative, if only because too few people will voluntarily accept it. So the regime does not get the get-out-of-jail-free card it has been holding out for all these months.

They have a choice: fold now, or double down with added pressure ending in mandatory vaccination. The problem is that mandatory vaccination is not a Hollywood ending either. It will just be a deeper bloody mess.

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Hattie
Hattie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

If uptake is low, I think they will use more psychological methods, that is peer pressure, blame game by making high uptake a requirement to end lockdowns, so if you refuse the vaccine it is your fault we are still in lockdown. Could be one read on stricter lockdowns are running parallel to rolling out the vaccines.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

They will double down, of that you can be sure.
Political leaders are now fighting for their public lives.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes. But I for one will not accept an invasive medical procedure for the purpose of saving political face for the regime.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Same with me, and I suspect many others feel the same way. I actually think (perhaps too optimistically) that the game is nearly up and the government will declare victory soon.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

I hope you are right.

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TC
TC
5 years ago

If it’s 70% alcohol,maybe she thought you could drink it as an alternative.
The young baffle me:where is their sense of rebellion,of wanting to be different – is it just confined to their choice of TV and internet videos?
Ahhhhrrrrgggg!

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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

Those patients who were alcohol dependent did take bottles of alcohol based hand sanitiser from wards, mixed it with orange juice and imbibed it.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  John

Ought to have injected it. Killing two birds with one stone.

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Ganjan21
Ganjan21
5 years ago

What is annoying me a bit lately is that people like to be seen to be adhering to restrictions and may be mildly skeptical, but in the face of it they still comply with mask wearing etc.
Hubbys best friend saying he wants the vaccine, he is afraid of getting Covid because he is still suffering long term fatigue effects of glandular fever, yet last week has a small party at his house.
My sister is skeptical and breaks ‘rules ‘ on may occasions (still wears a mask in shops though)but has been in close contact with someone who tested positive and said she might self isolate and get a test anyway because she wants to stay at home on full pay for 10 days…..she works for NHS (non medical)
My friend often has her 5 year old wearing a mask and used to give off stink about people breaking rules and now she said she extends her bubble when she likes and now tweaks things to suit herself.

The hypocricy of people stinks.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Next year send her a bar of carbolic soap

Last edited 5 years ago by Cecil B
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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Don’t be too harsh. When this kicked off I discovered one morning when I was showering before work (I am apparently a particularly high risk person viz. Covid but have worked throughout lockdown) and noticed a strange smell: my wife had bought Wright’s coal tar soap which I had never used since I was a child long ago and thought had been discontinued.
I have tried to educate her in scepticism but a few days ago she mentioned that she felt “sorry” for Hancock in his Andrew Marr interview (Yes, I know. There is a way to go yet.)

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Noumenon
Noumenon
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

A way to go? That’s an understatement.

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l835
l835
5 years ago

Re NHS bashing. They deserve it. A recent fb conversation I read implored the staff of a local coffee shop to open at 7am and close at 9pm so the “hardworking” “angels” could buy a drink on their way to their 12 hour shifts. So happy for others to work 14+ hours (or employ extra staff for a second shift) while their own shift is largely composed of gossiping about colleagues or playing on their phone. Perhaps if they used some of this time to clean wards, respond to patients, answer the phone, they might be able to get on top of the transmission of the virus within hospitals? The 86 year old in the bed next to me last week was told that due to multiple cancers, if his heart stopped during his operation they would not resuscitate him. He was left with a DNR form to think about. Wisely he discharged himself. Caring profession my arse.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

The morons will no doubt start clapping like trained seals again on Thursday’s. Save the NHS they moan. Well, how many thousands have died at home due to no-access? And, what about people like me, who paid £12K quid in taxes to the NHS, raped from my account, by a gov’t which takes 45% of my income in taxes. I saved the NHS. Do I have access? No. Are they busy? Not really. Is there a pandemic? No. If under 75, your chance of dying in a car accident is higher than from CV 19. So ergo, lockdown schools? The stupid called ‘science’ is pathetic. But the seals and sheep clap and bleat and threaten ‘sceptics’ with violence and death. For what? 0.03% death rate?

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Well said.

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l835
l835
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

Apparently not. More importantly the coffee shop also sells cake which is their staple diet.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

The staff in the hospital across the Tesco I semi-regularly use seem to constantly buy nothing but fizzy drinks, chocolate bars, cakes, biscuits and Krispy Kreme donuts!!!

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Hattie
Hattie
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

Or free pizzas from Dominos

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

They choose to work 12 hour shifts on a fortnight basis rather than earlies/lates so they can join them and work one week on, one week off. They don’t deserve sympathy for their chosen shift pattern.

Last edited 5 years ago by Dorian_Hawkmoon
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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Not necessarily true, a lot of trusts have 12 hour shifts with no alternatives. Certainly when I worked on the wards it was. When I started in A&E it was earlies and lates for the day, but that was because I was a Newby and hadn’t earned the right for long days. It did mean on the run up to our 7 nights I had 10 days of continuous shifts with the weekend immediately before the nights started as days off. Nowadays the rota is computerised.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

Re the 86 year old, I recallan 11 year old some years ago with terminal illness where the community nurse team would not treat her at home for her illness due to her bad temper but would offer palliative care in her last days.
I summarised it to a local authority solicitor as: “So, they won’t help her to live but they’ll help her to die?”.
The elderly receive at best a mixed attitude from NHS staff to them.
It does not surprise me that the 86 year old discharged himself as he might prefer to die at home than being attended by uncaring strangers.

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l835
l835
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

I couldn’t believe they’d tell someone they might be sad within the hour, then leave them alone. Two nurses and a sister were chatting about their holiday arrangements at their desk, so not busy.

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chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  l835

YES!!!

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Will
Will
5 years ago

Excellent update. The analysis of Spring V winter is quite brilliant especially the graph showing relative numbers in hospitals which reinforces the sense that those areas of London hit harder in the Spring are being hit less hard in the autumn: herd immunity in action.

I am not sure we should be getting our knickers in a twist about the efficacy of the spring lockdown. The spring lockdown did not “stop” infections, infections had naturally peaked a long time before the 23rd. The lockdown was “effective” in steepening the decent of the Gompertz curve and, in so doing it, “protected” millions of people from being infected. But all that served to do, exactly as Whitty warned would be the case, was to kick the can down the road and increase the rate of infections in the autumn/ winter when the health system would be under greater pressure and the natural immunity of the population would be significantly lower than in the the late spring/ early summer sunshine. The length and impeccable observance of the spring lockdown has led to a worse “second” wave at the very worst time of year.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

“The lockdown was “effective” in steepening the decent of the Gompertz curve and, in so doing it, “protected” millions of people from being infected.”

Disagree.

I would say that the lockdown killed thousands of people as hospitals were cleared.

The shape of the mortality curve is more consistent with ‘human intervention’ than with the natural progress of an epidemic.

Lots of evidence now that lockdowns achieve precisely nothing, since the main route of infection in respiratory diseases is aerosols not human to human transmission.

Since aerosols accumulate in the air indoors in badly ventilated buildings, lockdowns may not only have killed people by clearing them out of hospitals, but also by forcing them to remain longer in indoor spaces.

See Denis Rancourt publications on Researchgate.

Last edited 5 years ago by rockoman
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PFD
PFD
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

It can easily be demonstrated that the lockdown did not steepen the descent of the Gompertz curve. The curve is characterised by the same time constants during the rise and fall stages of the spring peak and thus lockdown did not ‘protect’ millions from being infected.
What we see now is a virus that is endemic amongst the population with a typical seasonal response.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  PFD

So why do the Gompertz curves vary from country to country and, indeed, Region to region. As I made clear, the lockdown didn’t “protect” millions, it simply kicked the can down the road. Those countries that locked down earlier and harder, Germany, Czech Republic etc just saw more of the infections they were going to get in the autumn/ winter which is the wrong time to be having them.

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PFD
PFD
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

The Gompertz curve didn’t vary very much for different European countries. Back in March to June I analysed the data for Germany, Sweden, Norway, UK, Ireland, and Spain amongst others and the characteristic time constants were all very similar with small differences in the timing of the peak. All analyses, mine and others show that by the time of lockdown R had already dropped to less than 1. Yes there were differences in reported deaths per 100,000 of the population but this could be an artefact of the different definitions and reporting regimes of the different countries.

It is an interesting observation that countries such as Germany and the Czech Republic are seeing a winter surge following much smaller spring time peaks and it is tempting to suggest that lockdown simply prevented a significant portion of the population from being infected in the spring leading to higher rates now. I wouldn’t want to speculate on this without doing my own data analysis.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Just a thought- when seasonal flu statistics are compared, it is never done by comparing one entire year with another – the March / April figures would be seen as 2019/2020 and the December 2020 figures would be 2020/2021 – by aggregating the figures and looking at the total for 2020 they are skewing the data and making it much harder to make comparisons

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes, a similar process was at work in Greece. They had a rather harsh spring lockdown, hardly any deaths over the summer but a sharp uptick in the autumn.

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