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by Will Jones
8 January 2021 4:37 AM

A Defence of Lockdown Sceptics

Into the valley of death rode the 600

What follows is a guest post by Toby.

I was disappointed to read the Spectator article by Lockdown Sceptics contributor Alistair Haimes about his departure from our ranks. The brilliant data analyst has been a valuable ally and I hope he will return to the fold in due course. 

His argument boils down to this: “When the facts change, I change my mind.” But what facts have changed? He cites three. First, the health service is under severe stress and unless we can reduce virus transmission over the next few weeks it’s at serious risk of being overwhelmed. That wasn’t true when the second national lockdown was imposed in November, he says, but it is today. Second, we now have two approved Covid vaccines, with more to follow, so any new restrictions will be short-lived. Third, there is a new variant of SARS-CoV-2 which is around 50% more transmissible than the pre-existing variants.

I’ll take each of these in turn – although I may digress a bit.

First, I’m sceptical of the claim that we have X number of days to save the NHS – a familiar trope that I thought the Labour Party had flogged to death. Let’s not forget that a winter bed crisis in the NHS is an annual event, as you can see from this collection of Guardian headlines. According to PHE, there was no statistically significant excess all-cause mortality in England in the final week of 2020 and while excess winter deaths this season are above the five-year average, they are currently below the peaks reached in 2016/17 and 2017/18. We published a piece on Wednesday in Lockdown Sceptics by Dr Clare Craig on Emergency Department Syndromic Indicators that looked at various indexes of ill-health, such as hospital admissions for Acute Respiratory Infection, Influenza-like illness and Pneumonia, and those are all below the baseline for an English winter – or were until a week ago. These data suggest that some of the people currently in English hospitals with COVID-19 have either been misdiagnosed or would have been hospitalised with something else if they hadn’t been laid low with Covid. In some NHS regions, Critical care bed occupancy numbers are currently above what they were in December 2019 – an unusually mild flu season – but there was still some headroom on December 27th, as you can see from this bar chart.

PHE Graph showing excess mortality in the winter of 2020 is above baseline, but the peak was lower than in 16/17 and 17/18

But let’s allow that things have got worse by an order of magnitude in the past week or so and some NHS trusts really are on the cusp of being overwhelmed, which they may well be. (See today’s report from the senior doctor.) Will the lockdown Boris announced on Monday do anything to avert this catastrophe, as Alistair seems to think? The only difference between the new national lockdown and the Tier 4 restrictions that were already in place in 80% of England on January 1st is that restaurants and pubs can no longer serve alcohol to take away and schools will be closed. But schools had already closed when London went into Tier 4 on December 20th and there isn’t much evidence that those restrictions reduced the R number in the capital. As SAGE member Professor Andrew Hayward pointed out on Tuesday, nearly 10 million key workers are still travelling to and from work. In addition, people are still going to supermarkets, chemists and corner shops. The statistician William M. Briggs, co-author of The Price of Panic, argues that it’s misleading to think of lockdowns as quarantines. Rather, they just create a number of ‘concentration points’, herding people into a limited number of spaces, and in that way increase the rate of transmission. If masks worked this mobility might not matter, but the recent mask study in Denmark suggests they don’t.

Some lockdown enthusiasts pick out a handful of examples where lockdowns have coincided with a fall in Covid deaths but that’s not a scientific approach. Numerous research studies, published in reputable, peer-reviewed journals, have concluded that there’s no association between Covid mortality and the standard suite of non-pharmacuetical interventions, such as mandating masks in indoor settings, closing schools and universities, shutting non-essential shops, imposing curfews and banning domestic travel. You can adjust the lockdown variables all you like – timing, severity, etc. – but there’s no signal in the noise. The American Institute for Economic Research has collected some of the best of these studies here and we’ve created a compendium of the evidence that non-pharmaceutical interventions don’t work at Lockdown Sceptics. The epidemiological models that SAGE uses to persuade the Government to ratchet up the restrictions rely on counterfactuals – if you don’t do y, x number of people will die – that cannot be falsified because the Government always end up doing SAGE’s bidding, as Alistair Haimes has pointed out.

Professor Lockdown, as imagined by Miriam Elia, author of We Do Lockdown

On the other hand, it is incontestable that lockdowns cause harm. Lockdown sceptics are sometimes accused of putting profit before people, but I’m not just talking about economic harm – increased borrowing, businesses going bankrupt, growing unemployment. The negative impact of school closures on children has been flagged up by numerous educational organisations, including Ofsted, with the most disadvantaged paying the highest price. The Centre for Mental Health estimated in October that that up to 10 million people will need either new or additional mental health support, thanks to the trauma of enforced isolation, and reports of domestic abuse to the Metropolitan Police increased by 11% during the first lockdown compared to the same period last year. Drug overdoses in San Francisco killed more than three times the number of people last year than COVID-19. 

It’s also nonsense to imagine the economic damage caused by the lockdowns won’t have ruinous public health consequences – anything that hurts profits, hurts people. Professor Sunetra Gupta estimates that the global economic recession caused by the lockdowns will result in 130 million people starving to death and the United Nations predicts it will plunge as many as 420 million residents of the developing world into extreme poverty, with low-income countries seeing average incomes falling for the first time in 60 years. 

Even in the absence of the detailed cost-benefit analysis the Covid Recovery Group of MPs has repeatedly asked for, it seems overwhelmingly likely that the harms caused by lockdowns in the UK alone are greater than the harms they prevent. According to one study out of Bristol University, the ongoing restrictions will cause 560,000 deaths, 310,000 more than Professor Neil Ferguson and his team predicted would die absent a lockdown but with voluntary ‘mitigation’ measures in place. As the now disgraced President of the United States said, the cure is worse than the disease. That essential point hasn’t changed, so I see no reason why sceptics should change their minds about lockdowns now. Yes, the NHS may be in genuine peril, but that doesn’t mean we should set aside our well-founded doubts about the effectiveness of heavy-handed interventions. On the contrary, trying to quarantine people for a third time, given that the policy clearly hasn’t worked, seems like Einstein’s definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

What about the vaccines? True, some sceptics did argue that shutting people in their homes until a vaccine became available was impractical because it might take years to develop one. But that was never the central plank of our case (see above). On the contrary, our preferred alternative to locking down is ‘focused protection’, as set out in the Great Barrington Declaration, and vaccines make that strategy more attractive, not less.

Our starting point is that the number of people who died from COVID-19 in English hospitals in 2020 who were under 60 with no underlying health conditions was 388 and the virus is less deadly than seasonal flu for healthy people under 70. Note, we’re not claiming that SARS-CoV-2 is less deadly than the average bout of seasonal flu for the entire population – although that’s true of some flu seasons – only that it’s likely to kill fewer healthy people under-70, including children. Whenever we cite that 388 statistic, critics accuse us of being callous, as though we’re saying older people and those with chronic conditions don’t matter. Far from it. We think the Government should pull out all the stops to protect those who are vulnerable to this disease, including care home residents, who made up about 40% of those who died from COVID-19 in the first wave (and 50% of those who died in Scotland). Shielding for people in these groups should not be compulsory – we believe in trusting people to make their own risk assessments and adjust their behaviour accordingly. But it should be a viable option, with all the necessary support. Meanwhile, the rest of us should be permitted to go about our lives, taking the same precautions we would in a normal flu season.

The arguments for and against ‘focused protection’ have been well-rehearsed, but the vaccines deal with one of the best objections – that it would be inhumane to expect the vulnerable to shut themselves away until the rest of the population develops natural herd immunity. That would create a two-tier society. But now that we have a vaccine, those groups only need shield until they’ve been immunised, at which point they can re-enter society (something they can’t do at present, even after they’ve had the jab, because there’s no ‘society’ to re-enter). The Government is planning to vaccinate 13.9 million people by mid-February – although that number includes everyone who works in health and social care settings – and there are about 16 million who fall into the above vulnerable categories.

So, yes, the vaccines do make a difference – they strengthen the sceptics’ case by making ‘focused protection’ more palatable.

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya, authors of the Great Barrington Declaration

What about the new variant? I’m reserving judgment on whether it’s more transmissible. As Mike Hearn pointed out yesterday, ONS infection survey data released on December 23rd show that the percentage of the UK population testing positive for the new variant began to fall in November before taking off again, and in some areas it has already started to dip, as was clear from the plot presented by Chris Whitty on Tuesday. If it’s 50% more transmissible than pre-existing variants, why isn’t the percentage just constantly rising in all parts of England? 

But suppose the new variant is more infectious. What evidence is there that the new lockdown measures will interrupt transmission? If the first two lockdowns didn’t stop the original virus in its tracks, why will a third stop a turbo-charged version? 

I sympathise with Alistair Haimes. He believes the NHS is at risk of falling over and wants us to do something – anything – to protect it. Lockdown sceptics also don’t want to see the NHS fall over, but where I part company with Alistair is in believing that a third national lockdown is the right mitigation strategy. Wouldn’t it be better to offer robust protection to the vulnerable and make vaccinating them an absolute priority? Not only would that be more likely to ‘save the NHS’, it would save the rest of us from the harms caused by yet another lockdown. ‘Focused protection’ is sometimes dismissed as not scientifically credible, but the 700,000+ signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration include over 13,000 medical and public health scientists and nearly 40,000 medical practitioners.

Alistair thinks this lockdown is more palatable than the others because there’s light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the vaccine. Within 100 days, he estimates, it can be dismantled, hopefully never to be seen again. I wish I shared his optimism. At Tuesday’s Downing Street briefing, Chris Whitty said restrictions might well be back next winter and some people have called for masks to remain mandatory indefinitely. 

The problem with allowing the state to suspend your civil liberties is that you may never get them back. I treat the Government’s claims that it will relinquish the powers it has arrogated to itself when the crisis is over with extreme scepticism, just as I do every official announcement about the virus. 

One final point. Over the past week or so, some of the most prominent lockdown sceptics have been vilified in the media, accused of encouraging members of the public to ignore social distancing guidelines and thereby causing people to die. These attacks may ratchet up over the next few days as the NHS comes under more and more pressure, although it’s hard to imagine them becoming even more hysterical. Paul Mason wrote a column in the New Statesman on Wednesday saying that Allison Pearson, Laurence Fox, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Peter Hitchens and me should be consigned to the seventh circle of hell. But the assumption underlying these criticisms is that lockdowns work, which is precisely the point under dispute. Is it reasonable to expect us to just take that on faith and keep any doubts we have to ourselves? After all, we don’t ask the Paul Masons of this world to take it on faith that lockdowns cause more harm than good and accuse them of killing people by advocating for tougher restrictions. We think history will prove us right, but we’re not so full of righteous certitude that we want to silence our opponents. 

One of the most unpleasant aspects of this crisis is that it has brought out an ugly, authoritarian streak in so many people, particularly those in positions of authority. Before March of last year, I believed that totalitarianism could never take root in British soil because we are such a Rabelaisian, freedom-loving people, fiercely proud of our independence. Now, I’m not so sure.

Stop Press: Claire Fox defended lockdown sceptics in a House of Lords debate yesterday.

I managed two questions today.

First, I was somewhat a lone voice in the House of Lords opposing 'There Is No Alternative' lockdowns. I pointed out that, historically, sceptical enquiry has often been a driver of progressive change and scientific breakthrough… (1/3) pic.twitter.com/06MC5BRaX9

— Claire Fox (@Fox_Claire) January 7, 2021

London Hospitals Really Are in Crisis

What follows is the regular weekly update by our in-house senior doctor, based on the just-released NHS data. It makes for grim reading this week.

Toby has kindly asked me to have a look at the weekly data packet from the NHS hospital statistics website and draw some observations from what we can see in this information and from other data sources. Clearly it has been a busy week on the Covid front, with the closing of schools and a parliamentary vote on a further National lockdown. The media coverage of the issue becomes ever more shrill and disappointingly antagonistic. The usual caveats apply to the data – we can only see what the Government release and we take what is presented at face value.

The first thing I wish to look at is Covid inpatients in the English regions (Graph 1).

The steep rise of cases within London (the orange line) over the last two weeks is obvious, with increases in the South East, East of England and the Midlands. At the risk of sounding metro-centric, I am going to focus on the figures from the capital because I think London is going to be at a very critical point in the coming days. Since December 15th, cases have been rising remorselessly in London hospitals. Prior to mid-December, the numbers of patients did not look out of the normal range for the time of year, but they are well in excess of normal now. I commented last week that London hospitals were in for an extremely uncomfortable time over the next two to three weeks – that now looks like an understatement.

It is not entirely clear what has triggered the rise in cases, but applying Occam’s razor it is probable that the new more transmissible strain is responsible for the rapid increase. There is certainly something radically different between the beginning of December and the end of the month. In one major London hospital, the new variant accounted for 15% of cases admitted at the beginning of December. This week it accounted for 90% of cases. Graph 2 shows the Covid inpatients in London hospitals (orange bars) compared to the spring (blue bars). London hospitals now have substantially more Covid patients than at the spring peak and the trend is still upwards. (I’ve updated the figures below to Jan 5th, but wasn’t able to change the legend.)

Graph 3 shows the number of Covid patients in ICU in the English regions complete to January 7th. Again, the rise in cases in London is much faster than in the other regions and, with 961 cases as of January 7th, this is fast approaching the ICU spring peak with no sign of levelling off. This is an important graph because these are the sickest patients and use up a large number of resources. Further, ICU patients require the attention of the resource that is in critically short supply – intensive care trained nurses. I will return to this point later. Interestingly, the ICNARC data (intensive care audit) to December 31st shows that patients admitted since September 1st still have a survival advantage compared to the cohort to August 31st, but that this advantage has narrowed compared to earlier in 2020. There are multiple possible reasons for this – one of which is that as the volume of patients increases, the level of care may drop, particularly if nursing:patient ratios rise. The normal nursing ratio in ICU is one nurse per patient. This is now stretched to one to two in most hospitals and to as many as one to four in some places, which is really hard to sustain for long periods.

Graph 4 shows the comparison in London between the ICU occupancy in spring (blue) and in winter (orange) showing numbers in ICU approaching the spring peak and again the trend is still rising. (I’ve updated the figures below to Jan 5th, but wasn’t able to change the legend.)

Graph 5 shows the number of Covid positive patients admitted from the community every day. There is just a suggestion that the London admissions may be starting to level off, but there is still a significant upward trend which is higher than all the other regions.

So far the numbers look worrying. Is there any good news this week?

Possibly, from the ZOE app. For those that don’t know, this is a symptom tracker app run by Professor Tim Spector from King’s College Hospital. The data is uploaded by members of the public who have either tested positive for Covid or who have symptoms. Some people think it is a more reliable measure of the level of community infections than the officially released PCR test numbers – it has certainly proved useful so far in the pandemic. Graph 6 shows the data for London to December 31st. A rapid rise from mid-December followed by a slight tailing off, but the numbers remain much higher than in the earlier part of December, suggesting that there are substantial numbers of patients in the community who will present to London hospitals with symptoms in the coming days.

Analysing numbers can only get one so far. Talking to people on the ground is also necessary to get a better idea of what is going on. I have referred to the differences between the winter and the spring in previous posts – the critical problem now is staff absence due to illness or positive contacts. This can make interpretation of bed occupancy levels in comparison to previous years a bit misleading. For example, there has been a massive expansion of ICU beds in all hospitals and especially in London since the spring, but if there are not enough nurses to service those beds, they are of limited use. So even if bed occupancy on at 85%, a hospital may be at capacity because it can only staff 85% of the available beds. A few weeks ago, when we had sufficient nurses to staff the beds, bed occupancy rates were comparable with previous years. Now the nursing resource is so stretched, I’m not sure how much comfort we can take from those comparisons.

In previous posts I have noted the reduction in ward beds due to increased spacing requirements and the organisational friction caused by patient cohorting and constant use of fatiguing PPE. What is less measurable but more important is staff morale. Morale is difficult to quantify. It’s a bit like an elephant – hard to describe, but you know it when you see it. Low morale leads to increased absence with illness and stress. At a time of crisis, medical and nursing staff are often required to go the extra mile and encouraging a demoralised and tired workforce to do that is phenomenally difficult and subject to the law of diminishing returns. You get a harder ‘squeeze for juice’ ratio, until eventually there is no juice left. In that sense, the situation is worse than the spring when morale was very high. The responsibility for this rests squarely with senior NHS management for failing to prepare, train and rest critical workers for an anticipated winter surge which was a predictable and indeed predicted risk.

Further signs of stress in the system have become evident this week. Most London hospitals have now ceased all routine activity and several have ceased urgent work as well, particularly in the SE and NE sectors which are the most stressed. Graph 7 shows paired data for selected London trusts. This graphic can be a bit tricky to read, but one can see that Barts and Guys and St Thomas’s have had rapid rises in ICU patients to spring levels in the last week because they are increasing their bed numbers to offload peripheral hospitals. Their feeder hospitals of Lewisham and Barking are at capacity, the same as in the spring. There is still some spare capacity in the West of London at Imperial and St George’s, but numbers are rising there too.

Problems have arisen with oxygen supply at some hospitals – this is not due to lack of oxygen per se, but an engineering problem with the pipe pressure. Non-invasive ventilation with CPAP which most patients require needs a lot of oxygen and the requirement is more than the pipework can supply in some places. Some hospitals are unable to operate on surgical patients because all the operating theatres have been converted into temporary ICUs. Paediatric ICUs now have adult patients in them. Some outpatient facilities are being converted into temporary acute wards. Staff are being re-allocated from normal duties to support critical care and acute Covid wards. All these observations are as useful an indication of the stress in the system as the raw numbers.

So, what does all this mean?

Earlier this week, NHS England issued an Alert Level 5 – the definition of which is that there is a material risk of the NHS being overwhelmed and unable to cope with demand in several areas in the following 21 days.

Since September, NHSE has regularly been issuing exaggerated and hyperbolic statements about the risk of the service being overwhelmed that were not supported by the published data or the ‘ground truth’ – this has diminished trust and confidence with the public.

Unfortunately, they are not exaggerating now. The situation in London is the most serious I have seen in over 30 years as a doctor and it will probably get worse before it gets better. The deterioration in the last week has been incredibly fast and has taken people by surprise. The service is incredibly resilient but it is a finite resource and can be exceeded by demand in extreme circumstances.

The final question of course is will lockdown make any difference? I’m not convinced of the efficacy of lockdowns from experiences in 2020. It’s likely that community cases were already falling before the spring lockdown started. The multiple harms of lockdown have been well documented and many of these such as delayed treatment for cancer or heart disease will not become apparent for many months or years. On the other hand, faced with the current situation, there is literally no other intervention available. The current lockdown on this occasion fits the WHO definition of an intervention of last resort, which was not the case in the autumn. If the Prime Minister did not act, he would be subject to serious criticism should the London NHS be unable to cope in the coming weeks. Of course, that might happen anyway, but the Government have to be seen to act – so I don’t think there was any choice politically. Whether lockdown makes any practical difference to the number of cases presenting to hospital will not be known for several weeks and probably be the subject of intense debate.

The observation that the new variant was spreading rapidly even during the severe restrictions in December is worrying and suggests that there may be an ‘illusion of control’. One must hope that the ZOE app proves to be correct again and that cases have actually been falling in the community since the end of December. But even if that is true, hospital admissions will continue to rise at least for the next few days.

Eventually, we will get to the other side of this problem, but it will be a bumpy ride for the next few weeks with many difficult decisions to be taken.

Hancock: Freedom Will Be Restored Once Vulnerable Are Vaccinated

Health Secretary Matt Hancock

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has ruled out a “zero Covid” strategy and said restrictions will be lifted as soon as the vaccination of the vulnerable makes Covid a “manageable risk” – a target pencilled in for mid-February. Fraser Nelson and James Forsyth interviewed him for the Spectator.

It’s not yet clear what counts as a win in the game of Vaccine Monopoly. Hancock rules out eradication. “It is impossible for any country to deliver a zero-Covid strategy. No country in the world has delivered that, including the ones that have aimed at it,” he says. “Covid is going to be here, but it is going to be a manageable risk.” His focus is on fatalities and, he says, abolishing restrictions as soon as it is feasible.

When Covid hospital cases fall and pressure on the NHS is lifted, he says, “That is the point at which we can look to lift the restrictions.” So what about herd immunity, vaccinating so many people that the virus dies out? “The goal is not to ensure that we vaccinate the whole population before that point, it is to vaccinate those who are vulnerable. Then that’s the moment at which we can carefully start to lift the restrictions.” But at that point the majority would remain unprotected. Would he – as Health Secretary – still say it’s time to abolish the restrictions? “Cry freedom,” he replies. “Covid is going to be here, but it is going to be a manageable risk.”

Freedom, we say, is not a word that many would associate with him. People associate him with lockdown. “No,” he replies, “they associate me with the vaccine.” Do they really? “Yes.” Even when the rules go, Hancock thinks that some changes to behaviour will remain. “The social norm may well become wearing a mask on public transport, for instance, in the same way that after SARS the social norm in many Asian countries became to wear masks in public. Essentially out of politeness.” But he stresses that these decisions will be a matter of “personal responsibility”, not government diktat. Nor does he see immunisation certificates being brought in. “It’s not an area that we’re looking at.”

It’s clear he’s a true believer in the Ferguson-Imperial modelling complete with its dubious assumptions of no pre-existing immunity, high death rate, and lockdowns saving lives.

The moment he most looks forward to? “When I have the duty to declare that the Coronavirus Act is no longer required, upon medical advice. That will be a great moment: when we repeal these draconian laws.” He says he’s mindful of the side effects: people dying who would otherwise have been treated by the NHS. The economic devastation and business closures. But without lockdown, he says, both the Covid deaths and the side effects would be far greater. “I think that’s one of the things we’ve learned all the way through this. The public have totally got that: I mean, they are more strongly supportive of lockdown now than they were at the start.”

Politically, he feels events have justified the decisions he made. “I hope that one of the consequences of this crisis is that it emboldens politicians to do the right thing even if it isn’t the immediately popular thing. Because that is what earns you respect.”

That’s what we’re worried about, Matt: politicians emboldened to impose lockdowns every winter regardless of the cries of protest.

Worth reading in full.

Vaccination Priority List Ignored As NHS Administrators Use Up Expiring Stock

An NHS administrator at work

A reader has emailed with an anecdote about how the vaccine priority list is getting skewed by who happens to be available at the time.

My wife logged on to her village club meeting this week, now on Zoom of course. One of the regulars, who lives across the road from us, announced to general incredulity that she has had two Pfizer jabs already. What? She’s about 60 and works as a part-time NHS administrator in a department in a Midlands hospital – and she’s been working from home throughout! How can this be? It transpires that since the Pfizer jabs have to be used up in double-quick time, the hospital staff are bombarded with emails to come and make the most of the day’s slack because the oldsters can’t be wheeled in fast enough. Needless to say, the frontline staff are too busy in an “I-haven’t-got-time-to-check-my-emails-or-be-vaccinated” sort of way, so they are frequently being missed out. How much more of this has been going on? Since their biggest beef is the risks they are taking, why aren’t they being frog-marched down to be vaccinated with the leftovers? Still, I suppose at least it means the NHS can make sure its pen-pushers keep the outfit going.

Another reader tells us that at a hospital where a friend works, “all staff were contacted yesterday to come and get vaccinated as their stock of the Pfizer vaccine was about to expire”.

This is a known problem. Yesterday the Telegraph reported on the concerns of the BMA.

The BMA criticised the way hospitals are distributing jabs – especially doses left over at the end of the day – amid concern that frontline staff have been losing out to administrative workers. It follows fears that some hospitals are inviting any staff, including non-clinicians, to use up doses after vaccine clinics close rather than prioritising those in patient-facing roles.

Under rules set by the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation, frontline healthcare workers come in the second category of priority, behind care home residents and staff, but a number of trusts have allowed staff from all groups to come forward when stocks are at risk of going unused.

Dr Simon Walsh, the Deputy Chairman of the BMA Consultants Committee, said hospitals should ensure that the highest-risk staff come first.

“The BMA is very concerned about why, when there was quite a long run-up, the Government has not ensured that the NHS delivers the vaccine in a way that prioritises healthcare staff most at risk from Covid,” he said. “It would seem obvious that you should use systems the trusts already have to see which staff are at the highest risk – by virtue of their role, or age, for example – and prioritise them.

“We are astonished that this is not in place. The problem with calling anyone for a jab is that those most in need are those least likely to be able drop everything to come and get one.”

One unmentioned problem might be a reticence among healthcare professionals to get the experimental vaccine.

What Does Endemic Covid Look Like?

We’re publishing a new piece today by Dr Clare Craig, Jonathan Engler and Joel Smalley that explains what is going on this winter and how it relates to the pandemic in the spring.

Viruses do not disappear. When a novel virus is introduced to a naive population there will be an epidemic. Spread will be exponential, some susceptible people will die but eventually we will reach a point where there is sufficient population immunity that spread is slowed and the virus stops spreading in an epidemic fashion. Thereafter, localised outbreaks can still occur and susceptible people can still die but there is no longer a risk of epidemic spread because every outbreak is contained by population immunity.

Coronaviruses are seasonal, so it is only now that we have had some winter weather that we can assess what endemic Covid will be like.

Figure 1 shows the sharp spike in excess deaths seen with epidemic Covid in spring. These deaths were in excess of the usual winter hump. Compared with previous years, this year’s winter excess deaths started earlier but the shape of the curve is consistent with previous years. However, we have now reached the bizarre situation where so many deaths are being labelled as caused by Covid that, for the first time ever, this winter there are fewer non-Covid deaths in winter weeks than there were in summer.

They look at what might be causing the current pressures on the NHS.

Normally, hospitals work very close to or at capacity in winter. The only way this can be sustained is by a carefully choreographed flow of patients from admission to the wards and then back out. This flow has broken:

1. Bed managers, who organise the flow, used to only be concerned with whether a patient was male or female or needed a side room to avoid spread of other infectious diseases. They now have to try and keep patients with a Covid diagnosis separate from those with a suspicion of Covid and those without. This is no small feat in a full hospital.

2. In some hospitals patients are not being discharged until their Covid test returns as negative. Clearly returning patients to care homes during the window of infectivity would be a bad idea. Beyond that this policy is not justifiable. Some patients continue to test PCR positive for 90 days after infection.

3. PCR testing has led to a staffing crisis as even asymptomatic staff are made to self-isolate for two weeks, with 12% of staff absent when it would normally be 4%.

4. Staff are having to work in PPE and change it between patients, adding a significant additional burden to an already heavy workload.

If patients are no longer moving smoothly from the Emergency Department to the wards, then the former will quickly fill up giving the impression that the hospital has been overwhelmed. It is easy to see how this could cause a backlog of ambulances unable to drop off their patients.

Worth reading in full.

How Sweden Confounds the World

Stockholm’s ICU Covid admissions in 2020. Source: Government of Sweden

Kathy Gyngell in Conservative Woman has written a handy summary of Ivor Cummins’ latest “Crucial Viral Update” where Cummins shows how despite not locking down Sweden’s death toll from the virus is neither catastrophic nor unexpected.

Taking a look back over the last 10 decades, he shows that Sweden’s COVID-19 outbreak is of a very similar order to many of the flu epidemics that the country has experienced, and is hundreds of times lower than the Spanish flu of 1918 which, unlike Covid, had a median mortality age possibly as low as 40 (certainly less than 60) and included many infants in its grim toll. Which is not the case with Covid, with an average mortality rate of over 80.

Nor, he shows, is Sweden’s mortality rate materially different from ours, a ‘result’ if you want to call it that which has been achieved without crashing the economy or closing schools or putting the population under house arrest. The slight resurgence this autumn that many zealots have gleefully latched on to to say the Swedish model doesn’t work has a different explanation, he explains. Seasons must be compared with like seasons. Winters with winters, summers with summers. A low mortality winter season one year is likely to be followed by higher mortality one the next year. Deaths invariably catch up, for the elderly especially. Sweden had just experienced two “soft” autumn/winter seasons. This late 2020 spike and outcome was inevitable.

Cummins reminds us, too, that at the start of the pandemic the World Health Organisation did not recommend quarantine and that since then 25 published papers have continued to support their initial advice. These studies show that lockdown has no efficacy; and for those zealots who think the reason is because we are not obeying them diligently enough and we should crack down harder, he has this message: comparison of the stringency of lockdown across 50 countries shows that more stringency has no more impact than less draconian lockdowns. That is it makes no more difference than lockdown itself.

Cummins, Kathy writes, suggests the Japanese success story can be put down to the “far higher rate of metabolic health of the Japanese elderly (Vitamin D levels in particular, which by contrast are strikingly low in Italy)” and “prior SARS immunity and the quick accretion of COVID-19 antibodies in the population”. The US, by contrast, is suffering because “good metabolic health is low overall”.

Florida also confounds the lockdowners since early on it followed “the advice of Professor Michael Levitt of Stanford University, a scientist who’s argued that restrictions would have no impacts”. Thus, “the State Governor dropped them all and has proved Professor Levitt quite right. It has had no negative impact on Florida’s mortality at all.”

Cummins draws attention to the latest pre-print study from Stockholm’s Karolinska Institute, which shows “how futile the interventions of countries have been. Each country’s mortality rate could have been predicted before the Covid pandemic and no lockdown could ever have done anything about it.”

Worth reading (and watching) in full.

Stop Press: Photo-Journalist Sean Spencer and Claudia Adela Nye have released the fourth and final trailer for their lockdown film. It’s called “Schools Closures in the UK Again, while Sweden keeps their primary schools open…” and is worth a watch.

The Glitch that Stole Christmas

We’re publishing today a piece by James Ferguson, founding partner of research company MacroStrategy, which looks in-depth at the evidence around the new “super-contagious” Covid variant that was used as the justification for cancelling Christmas.

On December 20th the UK Government put 44% of the English population into Tier 4 lockdown, cancelling Christmas get-togethers for 24m people, following a recommendation from the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG).

NERVTAG had identified a new variant of the novel coronavirus in the South East of the country, which was 70% more transmissible than its predecessor, carried a viral load up to 10,000x higher and which the primer on the widely used Thermo Fisher TaqPath PCR machines failed to pick up.

However, these conclusions are highly dependent on the interpretation of the data and logically (Occam’s Razor) none of the claims made at that time about the new variant’s increased transmissibility, higher viral load or ability to escape detection appear justified.

This is a thorough examination of the scientific data and evidence and is worth a read.

A Frontline GP Writes…

A GP consultation

A GP has written a fantastic post on one of our forums entitled: “Why Lockdown Cannot be the Preferred Response to Coronavirus – The View of a Frontline GP.” He wonders how it is that lockdowns have suddenly become standard policy in response to a virus very similar to the ones that circulate each year.

It is true, that COVID-19 seems to be more transmissible than seasonal flu and, initially, there was no effective vaccine, meaning that peaks of infection and, therefore, peaks in admissions and deaths had the potential to be higher, though it is still not clear why ‘lockdown’ was considered to be the most appropriate response to these factors. Bearing in mind that the main risk factors for a poor outcome from COVID-19 infection can be reasonably easily identified (advancing age, chronic lung conditions, diabetes, obesity to name a few), surely it would make more sense for these people to stay at home with appropriate physical and financial support, whilst the rest of the fit and healthy population live their lives, go about their business and keep the economy afloat. Bearing in mind that a very large proportion of the at-risk group are already beyond retirement age, the removal of the remainder from the standing workforce could be anticipated to have a minimal effect on the overall economy.

Looking at a specific area of society, schools, raises even more questions about the appropriateness of ‘lockdown’. It is widely accepted that children and young adults are extremely unlikely to suffer significant morbidity or mortality from COVID-19 without significant underlying medical conditions, in fact, recent statements by the Chief Medical Officer (CMO) suggest that children are not affected by the new variant of Covid at all – schools are full of children and, on the whole young adult teachers, the parents of these pupils will generally also be young adults – so how can we justify closing all the schools and cancelling all exams? This makes no sense whatsoever.

Whilst we consider the subject of ‘saving lives’, the current ‘lockdown’ response to the COVID-19 threat is entirely at odds with the government’s usual response to circumstances and conditions which are known to cause significant morbidity and mortality amongst the UK population. Data published by the NHS tells us that in 2019, 78,000 deaths and 490,000 hospital admissions were related to smoking, the ONS have published data which identifies alcohol consumption as the cause of 7,500 deaths in 2018 and the Diabetes UK website informs us that diabetes (the major cause of type 2 diabetes in the UK being obesity) treatment uses 10% of the annual NHS budget and is responsible for 24,000 early deaths every year. This being the case, why are the government not banning smoking, excessive alcohol consumption and over-eating? I imagine that to do so would be considered an infringement of human rights and an attack on personal freedom (which it would). This being the case, how can we now justify effective house-arrest for the entire population of the UK with no right of appeal, fines for those who disobey, no right to protest and no clear end-point in sight?

Far from saving lives, it is reasonable to believe that the significant curtailments to ‘normal life’ in the UK is storing up a great deal of trouble for the future. We already know that patients with signs and symptoms of cancer are not presenting to their GP surgeries at anything like the predicted rates, often due to fear of exposure to COVID-19 or the belief that normal GP services are not available – these patients still have cancer and will, eventually, present to the NHS but probably too late to be effectively treated resulting in early and potentially preventable deaths. Poverty is on the increase due to growing unemployment – poverty leads to poorer health and poor health outcomes – in brief, a poorer society is more unhealthy than a rich society, with more chronically unwell citizens and more early deaths – a greater burden on the NHS. Every week I meet patients with known mental health problems who are declining due to lack of contact with their usual social supports, lack of access to mental health services and anxiety caused by scare-mongering reports in the media – eventually these patients will present to mental health services and threaten to overwhelm them due to the sheer number of cases. Every week I meet elderly people who were previously active and independent, now too scared to leave their homes, many of whom will never join mainstream society ever again – these people will need care at home, a further unnecessary burden on their families and the social care budget.

What of the NHS which we are trying to protect? It seems to me that we would not need to be going to the extraordinary lengths discussed above to ‘protect’ our health service, if the health service had been properly managed and properly funded prior to COVID-19 arriving in the UK. Every year whilst I have worked for the NHS, I have received emails in October warning me of upcoming ‘winter-pressures’ and how we must all take care with referrals to hospitals and how services may be negatively impacted in the coming six months. These so-called ‘winter-pressures’ are entirely predictable well in advance, so why do they occur at all? The obvious answer is that the NHS does not, and in recent history has never had, enough clinical capacity to deal with predictable peaks in infection rates. If we recognise this fact, it was obvious that the NHS was always going to struggle with a new virus which blind-sided us as COVID-19 appears to have done. Surely, when designing a health service, we should plan for the peaks and not the troughs, we should build in flexibility, we should stock more of every medicine and piece of equipment than we will need in the next few days. If we had had an NHS which was already equipped to deal with ‘winter-pressures’, we would have been very well placed, strategically, to take COVID-19 in our stride. This may sound like wishful thinking but actually there are a few simple steps which I have been keen to see implemented in the NHS for many years which, I believe, would transform our ability to respond to threats such as that posed by COVID-19.

He offers some ways the NHS could improve its preparedness for pandemics, before going on to consider the use of state scaremongering and the importance of personal freedom.

Worth reading in full.

Call For Evidence on Lockdowns

The deadline for the call for evidence on the Government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic from the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights is fast approaching on January 11th. The committee explains:

In order to seek to control the impact of COVID-19, the Government has introduced successive restrictive measures, with varying degrees of severity, both nationally and locally. The impact of these measures has been widely felt, and some groups have been more affected than others.

As part of the ongoing work into the Government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Joint Committee on Human Rights is examining the impact of lockdown restrictions on human rights and whether those measures only interfere with human rights to the extent that is necessary and proportionate.

More details here.

Question For The Legal Eagles

A reader asks:

If basic care is to be curtailed to promote vaccination programmes, can I sue the GP practice if my elderly mum doesn’t get the care she needs and then goes on to be hospitalised unnecessarily?

Answers to the Lockdown Sceptics email address.

Suggestion For the Researchers

Could research into teams like this answer key questions about COVID-19?

A Lockdown Sceptics reader had a brainwave about how some hard data on the impact of Covid could be gleaned.

Having worked in business intelligence and data analysis for some years, I wanted to draw Lockdown Sceptics’ attention to a potential aspect of Covid analysis which – to my knowledge – I have not seen suggested or discussed elsewhere.

The idea crystallised after having seen Brendan O’Neill, Editor of Spiked, interviewed recently on the New Culture Forum’s YouTube channel (other video sharing platforms are available…) During Mr O’Neill’s very perceptive commentary around the Coronavirus pandemic he made the point that, irrespective of any epidemiological arguments, this has only ever really been “half a lockdown”, cleft largely along legacy social class lines. Although knowledge workers and laptop users, mostly middle-class, have been dutifully locked down at home, substantial sections of the workforce, predominantly working-class, have had to continue to work in the “meat-world” very much as usual: supermarket workers, delivery drivers, water and sewage workers, electricity grid workers, refuse collectors, care and support service providers, transport staff and so on.

In these workers, we have, therefore, a massive statistical sample (n=potential +/- ten million). Since many will be working for large organisations with concomitantly large and efficient HR departments / modern electronic data record systems, it would be entirely possible to collate and examine their data in order to see who developed coronavirus, for what length of time they became ill, and what any medical and health outcomes of all this were. 

Supermarket workers in particular have been in close proximity to the general public day-in day-out throughout the entire duration of the crisis. The chains for which they work are both extensive geographically, and are visited by tens if not hundreds of thousands of people every day. All of these large supermarket chains, for example Tescos, will have staff data showing [1] who their staff are [2] where they are [3] their demographic information and [4] their sickness information. What better way might there be to assess the actual dangers of proximity, transmissibility and severity than to study this data?

Given how flexible and adaptable these organisations have proved themselves to be over the past 10 months – and given the gravity of our current situation – it would surely not be impossible for these data sets to be anonymised and made available for analysis. Rather than relying exclusively on the highly questionable, if not downright inaccurate, ‘predictive models’ used by Imperial College and their ilk, we could perform additional analysis on this real-world operational data. What percentage of staff were falling ill due to the coronavirus? How long did their illnesses last? Were they fatal? How many employees suffered from “long Covid” symptoms?

Few organisations or businesses would rely on predictive analytics alone to draw-up or support their business plans, they would almost always analyse past data in order to show baseline figures and patterns around performance, sales, failure demand, customer numbers, complaints and so on.

It seems that in this case, however, when parts of our very society are hanging by a thread, we are relying solely on predictive analytics, and neglecting almost 10 months of actual, real-world data which might potentially yield some hugely important insights.

Round-up

  • “The EU has botched its vaccination programme” – Matthew Lynn in the Spectator on the chronic maladministration that threatens to delay the recovery on the continent and aggravate divisions between nations
  • “Angela Merkel mulls Russian answer to EU coronavirus vaccine bottleneck” – The situation is so desperate the German leader is considering talking to Vladimir Putin about using the Sputnik V vaccine, the Times reports
  • “NHS staff sickness rates caused by coronavirus are FOUR TIMES higher than in September as nearly 10% of frontline medics are now off work with half of absences linked to Covid” – Mail report on one of the key sources of pressure in the NHS this winter
  • “Are we about to risk another disaster in care homes? Fury as NHS bosses are considering using their empty beds as overflow for busy hospitals as sector warns it would be a ‘grave mistake’” – History might be about to repeat itself with tragic consequences, reports the Mail
  • “I Now Better Understand the ‘Good German’” – Dennis Prager in the Epoch Times says apathy in the face of tyranny turns out not to be a German or Russian characteristic, and is dismayed to find it so prevalent in America
  • “Angry Phillip Schofield slams Chris Whitty for predicting 2021 winter lockdown” – Mirror report on comments from the This Morning presenter that are not as sceptical as they first sound – he was just saying he didn’t want to have the bad news quite yet
  • “The ethics of using covert strategies – a letter to the British Psychological Society” – Dr Gary Sidley’s letter, featured in Lockdown Sceptics last month, has now been sent, complete with 47 expert co-signatories
  • “Where the mesh inquiry leaves us regarding a register of doctors’ interests” – Clare Dyer writes in the BMJ about the murky influence of commercial interests in medicine
  • “The inconvenient truth about remote learning in lockdown” – Molly Kingsley from UsForThem writes in the Telegraph on the misguided notion that remote learning is an acceptable substitute for going to school
  • “YouTube censorship is a symptom of a corrosive philosophy” – Lord Sumption in the Telegraph on the importance of not censoring alternative views if understanding and scientific debate are to advance
  • “1 in 100,000 Had Severe Allergic Reaction to COVID Shot: CDC” – Insurance Journal brings the new data from the latest phase of the vaccine trial in the United States, the one where the whole public takes part…
  • “Year of extraordinary popular delusion” – Financial Historian Edward Chancellor in Reuters on 2020s terrible illustration of the madness of crowds
  • “What’s Up with the Great Reset?” – Stacey Rudin in AIER takes a closer look at the UN’s longstanding “Sustainable Development” agenda, now repackaged as the “Great Reset”
  • “How busy are hospitals in England?” – Surprisingly balanced BBC explanation of the situation in hospitals by Ben Butcher
  • “Demand for ‘key worker’ school places soars as heads accused of twisting rules to turn children away” – Telegraph report on the unsurprising wish of many parents for their children to go to school
  • Julia Hartley-Brewer clashes with an NHS panjandrum who compares lockdown sceptics to people who think Elvis is alive and well on the moon

"Most of what you've just said was basically comparing someone questioning lockdown policy as the equivalent that Elvis is living on the moon. I find that offensive."

Julia clashes with Chris Hopson from NHS Providers after he accuses her of "peddling disinformation."@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/lMn5VoU6NA

— TalkTV (@TalkTV) January 7, 2021

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Misery and Gin” by Merle Haggard, “No Face, No Name, No Number” by Traffic and “Virus is Over (If You Want It)” by Unknown Rebel.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, Will Knowland in the Spectator describes the Eton kangaroo court that sealed his summary dismissal for transgressing the sacred precepts of wokery.

It was the boys themselves who suggested and named the YouTube channel Knowland Knows, which has since got me summarily dismissed. The axe fell swiftly after I asked why a video entitled “The Patriarchy Paradox” (originally intended as half of a debate on the new gender orthodoxies at the College, which never saw the light of day) should be deleted from this public platform. The reason given was the presence of an Eton disclaimer on the channel, originally added at the College’s own request.

I’ve since been called everything from a free-speech martyr to a misogynist. While the video has received views equivalent to more than 100 times the size of the Eton student body, it was the boys themselves who first came to my defence, with a compelling open letter saying they felt “morally bound not to be bystanders in what appears to be an instance of institutional bullying”. They boldly claimed that “young men and their views are formed in the meeting and conflict of ideas”, and correctly pinpointed free speech as the principle at stake – otherwise why was it so essential the video should come down? My disciplinary process was only the latest in a series of lustrations turning Eton into a monoculture

They had already sensed the need to resist a drastic narrowing of debate in the schoolroom, which has reportedly led them to set up private debating groups to test viewpoints forbidden in class. Their wit seems to have inoculated them against being wholly ventriloquised by the new regime blighting the school. “But sir” – deadpan again – “I thought the College was meant to be diverse?”

The charges kept changing, but in the end it was the college’s “approach to equality and diversity” that was deemed to have been transgressed.

At my hearing, two of the three “senior teachers” specified as disciplinary panellists by the College’s constitution were the headmaster’s new appointments to his inner circle, and the third was his own deputy. The College had lawyers present (at one point attempting to replace a Fellow with an external QC) while I did not. A colleague’s character witness statement was significantly altered, being restored to its original only after she protested in writing. Only in response to pressure did the school provide an external note-taker.

“A lie,” as James Callaghan said, “can be halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on.” And so it was that the Provost – once described as “apt to mislead” in the pages of the Scott Inquiry – tried to quell the public outpouring of disquiet around my case by suggesting the video had breached the Equality Act. But neither the College’s initial legal advice nor my dismissal letter claimed anything of the sort.

It was not new legislation I’d transgressed, just a new religion with an old-time zeal to suppress dissent and punish heresy. The College’s “approach to equality and diversity” – which it finally claimed I had breached – has never been explained to staff, making it impossible to follow. 

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Ofcom is trying to “no platform” trans-sceptics, writes Neil Davenport in Spiked.

Speaking before Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media and Sports committee in December, Melanie Dawes, chief executive of broadcast regulator Ofcom, said it was “extremely inappropriate” for broadcasters to seek to “balance” the views of transgender people by also giving airtime to the views of “anti-trans pressure groups”. Ofcom has now followed through on Dawes’ comments by expanding its definition of hate speech to include intolerance of transgender issues and “political or any other opinion”. As a result we can now expect many critics of trans ideas, from feminists to gay-rights campaigners, to be denied airtime.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p, and he’s even said he’ll donate half the money to Lockdown Sceptics, so everyone wins.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. But the cause has been taken up by PCR Claims. Check out their website here.

The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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And Finally…

Watch Dr Clare Craig talk to Julia Hartley-Brewer about the significance of the data from her recent Lockdown Sceptics piece on the strange alternative reality that appears when PCR tests aren’t involved.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Can the government and “our” NHS please start taking advice from the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service and the Campaign for Truth in Medicine, rather than Bill Gates and his big pharma mates (and their proxies)? Then we might get somewhere! If not, why not?

Yes, money talks doesn’t it??

Ps Sir Graham Brady for PM (well who else have we got? realistically?)

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
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Beat me to it, you sod!

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
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Wasn’t even close this time! The competition has been quite hot recently though.

PS Someone I knew from near Sheffield, we used to call Bungle. I preferred Rainbow though (not THAT rainbow, the proper one)

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

High Hugh – I was originally called the Headingley Bugle but started putting it like this Bu(n)gle. Somehow the brackets got dropped, probably a mistake, always dropping things and bungling up!

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
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Or Esther McVey, who I have seen in action pre-lockdown and consider her the real deal.

But Sir Graham is the one to get things done imo

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
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Here here I totally agree Hugh

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
5 years ago
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I second that.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
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I don’t really care who they have as PM. LibLabCon, SNP, PC, Green, DUP or whoever is sat in that place are beyond the Pale as far as I’m concerned, with apparently sixteen honourable exceptions. Until the remainder are gone, and the existing party system is replaced by one of Direct Democracy, I refuse to consent to or co-operate with, whatever vile government exists, of whatever political colour.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
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He seems to have the heart but I’m not sure he has the weight.

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
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Charles Walker?

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JASA
JASA
5 years ago
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Indeed. He has the most empathy. He is clearly very pained by the restrictions that are being imposed. His latest speech a couple of days ago was really good.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

The 8pm Ceaucescu silence was inspiring

I could touch it, feel it, smell it, a whispering death

‘ We woke up one morning and the guards had gone ‘ Concentration Camp survivor

10% and rising of the Met not turning up for work anymore

It’s starting to unravel and the pig dictator will not be able to ravel it again

I smell freedom

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
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Hancock clearly in retreat saying that restrictions can be lifted once X% are vaccinated with no reference to cases or even deaths (from the main article).

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WasSteph
WasSteph
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Oh please let it be so. Has he realised he’s pushed it too far and is now backing off? The ideas quoted above are really quite mild and almost could be lived with. I don’t mind a social norm of mask wearing “like the Far East” because we know that really isn’t the case there and the Great British public will drop it like a hot potato as soon as possible. Not his usual psychopathic dictatorial stance at all.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

I am no expert on psychology but if they were smart they would row back on the stuff from time to time, merely for tactical reasons. The constant “doom, doom, doom” frightens people but eventually starts to exhaust them and creates potential scepticism – it isn’t like corpses are piling up in the street, even as the high street goes bust.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
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They may be rowing back. However, the Push/pull seesaw is a psychological manipulation tactic to keep the victim weak. I believe that’s what’s going on here, and reckon narcopath Wankok is playing us.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
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Hancock may be playing the weak-kneed Alistair Haimes, but he’s not playing me. Those who are now apparently falling for the propaganda concerning the second wave and for the worse than dodgy vaccines were never real sceptics to begin with and I have to wonder about their real motives. Perhaps calling them bedwetters, would be a fair description.

The engineered “pandemic” has been about vaccines from day one and it seems that these conjured up products will have very little do with protecting the people from any form of a respiratory illness. Their real purpose is ‘highly likely’ to be something much more sinister.

Somehow those running this “pandemic” event knew all along that there would be a second and perhaps even a third wave of Covid-19, though even a second wave would have defied all what was previously known about about wild coronavirus infections.

If thinking people aren’t yet suspicious about what’s going on, then it seems that they have been sleeping through the past nine months. These same people have effectively abdicated responsibility for the welfare of both themselves and their families and are highly complicit in the utter shit, that’s now coming for all of us.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

How did these experts know that there would be a second and third wave? Did a little birdie tell them?

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Ferguson’s computer said so.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Giving small short term concessions is part of the N. Korea brainwashing game, it leads people to think greater concessions might be made if only they cooperated a bit more.
That’s probably a bit too subtle for hancock though.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Trouble is that soon after they row back they turn round and become more vengeful and spout more screwy demands.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

They wear masks in the Far East because of pollution.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

And they’re causing social issues as well.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

When he was doing the press rounds yesterday, there was one revealing exchange in which Hancock seemed shocked to hear that his legacy would be to be remembered as one of the key proponents of the repeated lockdowns. He’d obviously laboured under the misapprehension that he would be forever revered for his role as the “the man who had delivered vaccines to the nation”. The fact that he’s so obviously and completely out of touch tells you all you need to know about our political leaders and their advisors.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

Have you got a link to that?

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Staincliffe
Staincliffe
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

Yes, I always think of him as Boris’s tethered goat. He’s only kept in post to be a target and take the flak.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

He lives in a bubble. Like most of us.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes I detected a climbdown too, perhaps he has experienced a lot of hate mail OR he knows he will be the fall guy when the truth comes out.

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I actually want to kill him. And I am not a psychotic murderer.
I actually knows someone who knows him (their kids go to the same school). I dont know how he hasnt stabbed him to death yet.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

You could look at him for long enough to kill him? You’re one up on me there then – as I am a visual person and so couldn’t look at him for long enough to do so (ie because he’s ugly and I hate anything/anyone that is ugly and literally can’t look at them if I can help it) LOL.

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number 6
number 6
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Careful there. You’re dealing with a Gorgon. Need special PPE, not available from China, perhaps Greese has som old stock? Check eBay.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I get the feeling he knows his days are numbered.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

By Election in West Suffolk soon hopefully, as one of his constituents it would give me great pleasure to get him kicked out.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

And before that, removed from the cabinet and consigned to the back benches.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Better still. Taken to the International criminal court for crimes against humanity.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

The Hague is going to be a very busy place in the coming years.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’m actually sick of Matt Hancock, he is a slimy little creep and useless as health secretary.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Oh sweet sweet smell of roasting pork.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The police statistic is interesting – they are relatively well-paid, have more powers than nearly everyone else in lockdowns and a proportion of them, the worst ones, get a kick out of all this. If nonetheless the Covid circus is starting to get to them there is hope yet.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

The police are in the main utterly imbecilic. it’s part of the entrance exam. Plus you have to take pleasure in hurting people. I despise everyone who works for the state no matter what job they do. These people are fascists who take the money i earn and spend it themselves claiming they need to force me to pay for services they are supplying. They are just the Mafia

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

This is plainer to see than ever

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

In London during the 70s and 80s hardly any coppers were local, they were always asking people the way.
High flyers came in from the provinces for the enhanced career opportunities working for The Met and provincial failures were taken on to provide the street muscle.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Did you ever watch Heartbeat? That was how one of the characters exited the programme – a visiting DCI from the Met was very impressed with one of the local policeman’s work that he engineered to have him transferred the Met as a DI which he quickly accepted following the death of the doctor he was planning to propose to.

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A factor as to why so many met officers were not from London was that provincial forces didn’t recruit very often whilst the met was always recruiting. A friend of mine applied for the met.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Didn’t you post once that you’d worked on mine-hunters in Rosyth?

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Beowa
Beowa
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Ever since the College of Policing was set up and the oath changed

My late father in law was a force trainer and he would be utterly appalled at the way modern policing has gone – they’re scruffy.arrogant and far to handy
Very few know how to talk to people or how to de escalate confrontations
This is the perfect example

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9123839/Coronavirus-Scotland-Three-people-charged-assaulting-police.html

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  Beowa

A good mate of mine, one of the most decent, gentle, human beings I’ve known (he fuckin detested bullying of any kind), is an ex-armed copper who was part of a personal protection detail to a very high profile diplomat.

This diplomat used to frequent one of those central London old boys clubs and on one occasion he witnessed a recent ex PM getting his arse chewed out by one of the members (metaphorically, although they may very well indulge literally but he didn’t say). He was aghast that someone would speak so disrespectfully to him like that in front of everyone.

Being the professional that he was, he never disclosed what was said throughout the evening but he was certain of one thing:

“Buddy, if you think the Prime Minister and the government are running the country, you are sorely mistaken.”

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I remember a case in the USA where either a serving policeman or a potential police recruit was penalised because he did too well on an intelligence test. While plainclothes detectives might have something going on upstairs many uniformed cops in my experience are not bright and might feel threatened by people who are.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

LOL – as I recall looking up the respective IQs of myself and my younger brother one time. Up came our chances re getting into the American armed forces (courtesy of Google). He is only 80 IQ and came up as = they wouldn’t take him on because they would wonder if he would literally understand orders. I then looked up my own IQ (ie 130 IQ) and they wouldnt have taken me on either (as, in my own case, = I’d understand the orders alright – and be questioning them LOL). So I guess they want the average IQ – of 100.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Probably swinging the lead and “on the sick”. A bit like a lot of NHS staff atm.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I feel retrenchment coming up, followed by retreat and capitulation dressed up as victory, bozo the classisist will know some examples.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Crassus being torn a new arse by the Parthians?

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

I like that historical example.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Sic semper tyranis

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Perillos and the Brazen Bull.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

The bed of Procrustes for Boris.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Does it do too fat, as well as too short and too long?

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

archive.today
Keep a record of the collaborators whenever you can
They will swear blind they were on the right side

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Jason and the Argonauts?

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Pyrrhus most obviously. Quietly pushed off home after the battle of Beneventum. “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined.”

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I’m reposting this from late night just for you kh, hope it brings some cheer.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The promotion of informer culture has been one of the most dispiriting aspects of this.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Agreed

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Quintessential totalitarianism.Oppression works best when the victims oppress themselves – and one another.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

In German-occupied France, poison pen letters were extremely frequent. Of course there were people who denounced their neighbours to the Germans or to the French police (almost the same thing). Then the Liberation happened and people sent in denunciations of others for collaborating. It may well have been the same people writing both types of letters at different times.

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Keep a note of the lockdown zealots because they will flip when the worm turns
They must not be allowed to get a way with it
Use
Archive.today for any posts/profiles to keep a record forever

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Andrew K
Andrew K
5 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Decanter

If this thing ever finishes and we win, I advocate we shave all the hair off the lockdown zealots

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Plus scalp?

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

I believe that the generally adopted name for these people in WW2 was quisling. after  Vidkun Quisling who founded a fascist pro Nazi party in Norway.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

So true. That “friend” who posted about his disgust at the “covidiots” not wearing masks couldn’t even say it in my face and instead just posted his rant on Facebook.

People who virtue signal on their social media platforms and grass others to the police should be careful. They will get their comeuppance at some point especially when the day of reckoning comes.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

This is the trouble, people will spill their bile online but are too cowardly to say anything to your face. I know a few like that. I now just ignore most social media. Facebook & twitter are now like poison.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Exactly. Facebook especially is the worst – loads of virtue signalling and enables people to say things that they wouldn’t say in person.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I doubt the whole lockdown charade would have happened if it wasn’t for the internet. If there were no zoom calls, ordering shopping online, working at home online, social media etc then I think the covid edifice would have fully crumbled by now. The internet has allowed this rubbish to carry on for this long.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

What about the thousands of people who embraced working at home and shopping online?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

They’re all right Jack, thank you very much.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

I wasn’t having a poke at anyone who works from home/shops online. The point I was making was that the internet has allowed the whole “stay at home” thing to go on. If we didn’t have the net I doubt they’d have been able to keep people locked down for that long if they had to leave home for work, shopping etc and people didn’t have the ability to do everything online.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

I’ve been saying that for some time – with the last Big Virus event being 2016 (and, even in that few years to 2020, the Internet has become yet more prevalent) and that is the difference imo as to why Lockdown happened this time – but not for previous ones.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Its mass media in general as well as the net, the last big pandemic we had in the UK, Hong Kong flu in 1968 in which around 80k people died, my parents remember it. We only had 3 tv channels, daily newspapers and the radio. The papers usually just stated the facts and that was that. Thus it wasn’t known about that much or heavily publicized. Now with 24/7 news coverage and the media running fear porn it has sent the general public into a frenzy.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

A couple of years ago I was falsely accused of sexual harassment in a Facebook post by a (then) friend. I wasn’t named in the post but it included the phrase “he knows who he is”. But the accusation was so out of line with what had actually happened (nothing different from previous interactions we’d had), that I didn’t realise at all that it referred to me, until an exchange of personal messages a few days later. “Unfriending” on both sides duly followed, but I also knew her mobile number and sent a message suggesting that it was worth checking the law on defamation of character. From other sources I think she deleted the FB post but there is at least one person (an associate of the accuser) who pointedly ignores me now (in real life). However there are others who I have reason to believe know of the original accusation but are still fine with me, so I’ve limited the damage. It illustrates exactly your point about people spewing bile on social media rather than having a word in private.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Edward

You shouldn’t have to put up with people like that.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

A brick through the window would be good for openers.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

And what will follow will make them wish that they’ve never grassed on their neighbours or virtue signalled on social media.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Oh you really don’t want to be on some Facebook pages. I pity the poor admins, for instance, of the I Love Pembrokeshire Facebook page – given the number of times recently someone puts up stuff appropriate to the page (eg photos of nice countryside etc) and …bang…..up comes a Covidian (or two) wanting to know if they’ve taken those photos since Lockdown started or before…..grrrr.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I had a friend like that we’d text a few times discussing the situation so he knew my stance then last week did a full on rant on FB saying those that disagree with the government and scientists and don’t follow the rules are ignorant selfish bastards and finished it with just wear a mask you dumb f**KS
So I immediately text him and gave him a piece and told him I will be replying on his post and lo and behold he deleted it ,he text me back to apologise but I haven’t replied and won’t be either

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

My”friend” did apologise too and I replied but I don’t really talk to him all that much anymore.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

It looks like many people on here (me included) now have fewer friends than was the case before the battle lines were drawn. Very strong feelings have been expressed that make resumption of old friendships just about impossible. I’m certainly not about to be very forgiving towards those who I regard as collaborators. So, if the tyranny ever ends, I would like to think it would be possible to organise a bit of a Sceptical ‘do.’ for all the faithful freedom lovers and determined dissenters. It would be good to meet some of the fine LS people who’ve kept the flag flying, provided rationality/data/stats/humour/hope and generally made the isolation considerably more bearable than it would otherwise have been.
Anybody got a big field?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

I have eight acres of grass and a very large shed. And a sea view. Everybody will be welcome.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Terrific! What a party it could be! I know lots of musicians who would appreciate an audience and, if your large shed isn’t quite large enough, I have a barn; I’ll bring it with me.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Early in lockdown Toby had a permanent and ever growing list of businesses that had reopened
I discovered two outdoor cafes from that and frequent them still.

Perhaps he could create a similar list of businesses that refused to bow to the nonsense, displayed notice of contempt for it or only adhered to the strict requirements of the law.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I had an interesting facebook exchange with the landlady of my favourite pub/microbrewery yesterday. I was ordering some takeaway food for Friday evening, and bemoaned the fact that I couldn’t add any beer to the order. She told me that she’s challenging the ruling, on the basis that she’s operating a brewery and should be able to sell her wares. We’ll have to see how that story develops…

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I have been wondering why the Federation of Small Businesses has not been more prominently active defending their members’ interests. Their small businesses have been bearing the brunt of the ‘government’ misconceived actions.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Let’s hope so

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Psychologically mistimed. Now is not last year and people are tired of this thing. They call it “war” but by 1915 the patriotic enthusiasm of 1914 had died down though mutinies had not yet started.
I wonder if it was promoted again as a trial balloon to see if they could get the performing seals act again? If so, the response was disappointing for them.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Hence hancocks sudden backtracking.

Grant Shapps was on the Today Programme this morning, all about people having to test before coming into the country. A nice little earner at £150 a pop and with calls to make it the same internationally that will price a large proportion of people from foreign travel so they will want it firmly in place before they cave.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

heard him on talk.. JHB seemed a little too chummy and gave him an easy ride

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Not literally I hope lol.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Will devastate airline industry. That is certainly what the Greta fanatics want. But is it really what the public wants?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

Public wants cheap flights to cheap resorts with lots of booze and sun.
When not zombified, that is.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Was dead quiet last night, plus parents told me their village & street was silent at 8pm. I’ve noticed ITV showed a report this morning about a street clapping (some in masks) but it looks staged to me. I think people are fed up and the mood is now turning.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The silence of the lambs

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Like I’ve said here and elsewhere, it may be sluggish, but the tide turned some time ago. We are catching the waverers, who will always be waverers of course, but we can now expect the tide to run faster and stronger as time passes.

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Viv
Viv
5 years ago

No no no no no! No!
Sorry to nitpick first thing in the morning – but the marvellous painting gracing this Newsletter isn’t depicting the Charge of the Light Brigade riding into the ‘Valley of Death’ – this is the Union Brigade with their “terrible white horses” (Napoleon) who charged the French columns of D’Erlon at Waterloo and destroyed them utterly.
Sorry – it had to be said. After all, honour to whom honour is due!

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

Easy mistake to make though.

You know, the Guardian once mistakenly showed a picture of one of those steamy volcanic springs in Iceland in an article about some of the more polluted areas of the planet(as I remember it). The person (or should that be “peroffspring?”) later wrote a penitential piece about how wonderful Iceland is (genocide against Down’s Syndrome babies notwithstanding).

Well, goodnight!

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Viv
Viv
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

G’Night, Hugh!

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Iceland is wonderful.

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LaurenceEyton
LaurenceEyton
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The misattribution of the painting was the first thing I saw about the column today and after almost having stroke (I know we live in the twilight of Western culture but really!), was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it. (Sorry, this was actually a reply to Viv but I don’t know how to delete it and put it in the right place).

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

Heck, I didn’t know that! I love a corrective statement with my morning tea! Thank you!

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Viv
Viv
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well, the Waterloo Bicentennial was only five-and-a-bit years ago and we were given en articles galore then. Since my memory is still working better than that of the common-or-garden snowflake which only goes back to Tuesday, of course I remembered. ‘Tis one of the seminal paintings, after all.
Not that I’m accusing the owner and editors of these august pages of, ahem, suffering from memory-deficit.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

I went on a tour of the Waterloo battlefield in August 2019, which seems like an eternity ago but is not even 18 months past.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

It’s BC. Before Covid.
Or WN. When Normal.
Takes an effort now to remember it.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

This tale seems relevant now.

At last after he had left the town, he found in a little meadow on the right a small bivouac fire made by some soldiers. He stopped by it to warm himself and said to General Corbineau,
“Et bien Monsieur, we have done a fine thing.”
General Corbineau saluted him and replied,
“Sire, it is the utter ruin of France.”

Jardin Ainé; Equerry to the Emperor Napoleon

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

And then there was the TOTP episode that had Jocky Wilson (Darts player) as a backdrop for a song about Jackie Wilson (soul singer) by Dexys midnight runners.
Think it was called Jackie Wilson says.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Last year the early morning radio 2 presenter was doing a culture slot
‘Ooh look, a fab new lifestyle about the brilliant Denis Nielson, isn’t he fantastic! Yes it says here Dennis Nilson one of the country’s wors t . . ser..ial um kill..ers. . .’
Cut to music.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“Next up – John Wayne Gacy, and how some Americans fill up the empty spaces under their apartments.”

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

had to look him up .. Next week an episode of Brookside about how to level off your patio .

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Jackie Wilson said

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Jackie Wilson…. sympathy for the BBC.. So difficult to tell Jackie and Jockie apart. Imagine the woke complaints from BLM if that happened today

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Thanks.

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Hamilton
Hamilton
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

The painting is “Scotland Forever!” by Elizabeth Thompson. It’s in Leeds Art Gallery:
‘”Scotland Forever!” is an 1881 painting by Lady Butler [Elizabeth Thompson] depicting the start of the cavalry charge of the Royal Scots Greys who charged alongside the British heavy cavalry at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 during the Napoleonic wars.’

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

Yes. They won, crushing an arrogant enemy who had wasted Europe.

Why does the LS movement keep painting itself into this corner of heroic defeat? We do have a powerful ally: the truth. The regime is losing support because people do have memories, they know the story does not add up.

I know people who have been shitting themselves for a full year, who have realised that they can’t keep living like that. They’re still scared and disorientated, but their faith in the official narrative is gone. It must feel a little like being on the losing side in a war. They have made huge sacrifices and know it has all been a waste, but at least they are ready to start living normally again. The regime is no longer a saviour in many people’s eyes, it’s just an obstacle to moving on.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Its often hard to be someone who knows the truth when the whole world seems to be wrapped up in the lies and disbelieves you but it does seem people are starting to have the blinkers removed.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Hmm, well, much of Europe was despotic and he did liberate and introduce significant constitutional improvements (although clearly at high cost). Of course, he was the enemy but post his fall British and other Govts (e.g notably Russia, with long term consequences) were able to roll back and double down on repression of dissenters through early 19C. Just saying, it’s complicated…

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

The Napoleonic regime in Spain was certainly far better than the awful dead hand of the Spanish Bourbons, which returned after Napoleon’s fall.
Napoleon was by no means all bad.
Unlike some I could mention.

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Monty Greene
Monty Greene
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Despite his arrogance and egotism.he was vastly better than the ancien regime and he did curb the excesses of the Revolution. He badly miscalculated in Spain though. No matter how poorly the Bourbons ruled, the French were seen as foreign invaders and the people rallied against them. Spain was a quagmire for the French armies, who were embroiled in a tenacious guerrilla war whose atrocities were preserved in Goya’s etchings.

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Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Viv

Not white horses but grey. The 2nd Royal North British dragoon’s aka the Scots greys. They formed part of the union brigade alongside the 1st Royal Dragoon’s and the 6th Inniskillen dragoon’s under general Ponsonby.

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goldensacks
goldensacks
5 years ago

Really appreciate the article “London Hospitals Really Are in Crisis”. This is the only source I trust for news like this. I still believe Lockdowns are the wrong answer but the problem is obviously serious. It’s also an indicator of the high quality of news presented here.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  goldensacks

It’s also a warning. If you get ill in London, for God’s sake make sure you’ve (also) got Covid, or you’re doomed.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Just insist on a PCR test at 40 cycles… you’ll have covid alright.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago

Your “in-house senior doctor” supplies 7 graphs relating to ‘Covid’ with one from Zoe in the middle. Since reference to ‘Covid’ depends on nonsensical RT-PCR test, those 7 are not worth putting in this blog. The Zoe one, while more interesting, is still merely about symptoms which could be flu. Your doctor finishes with their opinion on whether lockdowns work or not. ‘Expert opinion’ is the lowest form of medical evidence and your doctor is no expert. Ivor Cummins points to 25 papers showing lockdowns do not work – this is what we should be looking at, not the opinion of some no-doubt hard pressed, stressed front line worker.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

On the subject of using up Pfizer stocks before their sell by date (main article).
They should put Weatherspoons in charge since Tim Martin’s Business Plan is buying up soon-to-be out of date beer in large quantities and shifting it, cheap, to the punters who want it.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m afraid that is an urban myth -see https://protzonbeer.co.uk/features/2012/09/16/beer-taxes-stop-crippling-pubs-says-w-spoon-boss-in-plea-to-government and “On his pricing policy he laughed again and, before I could pose the question, said: “You’re going to ask me about ‘short dated beer’ – well, we don’t do it.” This is the persistent rumour that Wetherspoon buy beer that’s close to its sell-by date from brewers. “The beer we sell is the freshest you can get. We buy 90 to 95% per cent of Greene King’s production of Ruddles. Beers from micros sell faster than anyone else’s and we take beer from 50% of the country’s micros.”

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Even Tim Martin couldn’t get me jabbed although I shall be back at The Leading Light drinking his beer and eating his food as soon as possible.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

I’ll only be back once the muzzles have gone and I can sit at the bar if I so choose .

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago

Good writing by Toby but, Toby, comrade, don’t give them a crumb. You told Emily Maitlis you were wrong when you were not and now you’re saying what a good thing the vaccine is. We don’t need a vaccine since the kids are generating herd immunity and we certainly don’t need dodgy ones – is David Cameron involved? Keep up the good work. LS is the first thing I do in the morning!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Toby needs a slap around the chops. This new found defeatism stinks right when end is in sight. Whether it is fatigue or not, I don’t know but I don’t like it right when we are on the cusp of victory.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I do think the other side is starting to feel the pressure.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Solidarity to you mate/comrade/friend – choose the one you prefer.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Nothing except a battle lost can be half as melancholy as a battle won.

Wellington

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

“What is best in life?”

“To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”

OK that’s fiction, but a lot better than Wellington’s twaddle.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

His most memorable comment for me was describing his own troops as “the scum of the earth”. Nelson was never so crass about RN sailors, as far as I am aware.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Wellington also said that the ‘scum’ ‘made fine fellows’ in the end.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Yes let’s crush our foul zombie enemy. But if you read the descriptions of the field of Waterloo next day, you can certainly see Wellington’s point. And he had seen many, many battlefields. And he never lost a battle.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

That’s Conan innit?

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

When I saw the interview by Emily Maitlis I could not believe what I was seeing when Toby apologised for something which he could so easily have defended and justified with expert evidence he has been publishing on here for months. Was it a rabbit in headlights moment? That’s the problem we are up against. Just when you think lockdown sceptics have taken two steps forward in their battle something like that happens and we go back at least two steps.

I confess I didn’t read every ATL article in detail today but glanced through trying to identify the salient points being made. In some places I wondered if I’d mistakenly ventured onto a pro-lockdown site: pro-vaccine sentiments; meaningless statistics; promulgation of the idea that all the hospital admissions are directly caused by covid; no acknowledgment that any surge in hospitalisations could be, at least partially, lockdown collateral; failure to make the important distinction between cases and infections. I’m sure there are other examples but it’s very odd and doing ‘our cause’ no good whatsoever.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

Mr Young should have listened to dozens of Maitlis interviews to properly prepare himself for her attacks. And how to parry them.

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Kam
Kam
5 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

If the surge in hospital admissions can be caused (partially or otherwise) by the lockdown itself, why are admissions dramatically increasing in recent weeks when we have just entered lockdown a few days ago? Why were hospital admissions significantly declining the longer the first lockdown endured – shouldn’t it have been the other way around?

You seem very entrenched in your views and tribal. All about the “cause” as opposed to actually getting to the truth.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It’s certainly no time to wobble.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Yes, I was alarmed by his enthusiastic vaccine stuff.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

I am not sure if this is allowed to be mentioned these days but at one time there was discussion about the vulnerability of Black and Asian origin people to Covid. Is this still the case or is this not discussed anymore? Living in Devon I note that many of the local authority areas with low ‘case’ rates are areas that are probably lower in average for BAME people, although they are also more rural which may have an impact.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Shock horror devastation.
Remember that the ultra-lefties simply adore Covid, their key to world domination. Darling Covvie just couldn’t be racist. It just isn’t possible for this splendid totalitarian virus to be racially selective, no sirree.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I have just managed with some difficulty to pick through some Public Health England data, looking at total registered deaths since March 2020, the % of deaths with Covid mentioned on the death certificate;
People of Asian origin 29%
People of White origin 18.5%

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I don’t have statistics but I know Turks and Kurds in London and they have been hit quite hard by Covid.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Vitamin D deficiency is higher the darker the skin

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

bloody racist vitamins

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

but you know ‘mentioning covid’ means nothing

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Bill H
Bill H
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hi Annie, honoured to address you. : )

On the Worldometers site, looking in the USA, there is data for at least some states which shows demographic breakdowns.

Black ethnic people around 50% more likely to suffer serious effects than white.

Economically disadvantaged about 50% more likely to be affected than rich.

And of course, older people, and those suffering other significant ailments, also more in the firing line. And obese players…..

Keep up your good work. Exemplary.

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frankfrankly
frankfrankly
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Asian diabetes rate is 2x White folks.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Annie, so-called lefties and righties come together on Covid. Could I please ask you to stop slandering Socialists (for the many not the few) like myself? Thanks.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Sorry. It’s true that extreme left and extreme right ‘ come together in situations such as this. Both are equally loathsome. But it’s generally the lefties who play the race card.
Early on in the bollox, a Grauniad journalist was heard to say ‘If Britain isn’t racist, how is it that so many Black and Asian people are dying of Covid?’

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Right at the start there were assumptions in some quarters that Covid was mainly dangerous only to Chinese and not much of a danger to others (this was also accompanied by speculation that it was biological warfare directed at China). Then it hit Italy even though it is possible that was another strain.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

100s of thousands of Chinese guest workers in northern Italy but that probably accounts more for Transmission rather than ethnic bias from the virus.

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frankfrankly
frankfrankly
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes, in this country Chinese are close to WB; Indians next with lowest Covid rates-they have smaller families and more professional jobs (more than WB) but all Asian communities have many more community contacts-ie giving away food and eating together is very important so unsurprising all Brit. Asian rates are higher.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I saw the remark about Italian VitD levels being extremely low in hit area. That’s surprising unless it is an ethnic difference in immigrants. Is that the case?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Somebody mentioned very high levels of atmospheric pollution.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I think they steered it towards obesity which is apparently more prevalent in some BAME communities.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Not however accompanied by any campaign to make people lose weight, and lockdowns make keeping the pounds off harder.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

If this was all about health; the government would have encouraged us all to eat healthily & sensibly, go out & excercise, get Vitamin D, socialise as well as resurrecting the good “catch it, bin it, kill it” adverts.

With regards to obesity being more prevalent in some BAME communities, I had a colleague who was of Pakistani origin and she admitted that she preferred East Asian & SE Asian food than Indian/Pakistani because it was healthier and much more balanced especially with the mix of meat and vegetables.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The powers that be have essentially been trying to f**k us up healthwise while pretending to do the opposite – cops harassing people who go on long walks and encouraging people to shop neighbours who take a walk twice a day rather than once, lockdowns, closing gyms, educational establishments, turning us into a nation of depressed couch potatoes with weight problems. Even more than before, at any rate.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

That’s what doesn’t make sense – why are tennis courts, swimming pools, gyms shut? Gym particularly are very useful at this time of the year when its cold, damp and gets dark early.

As for cops harassing people who go on long walks I can only speculate that they have managed to solve all the crime in this country. As I’ve said on Twitter, its odd that with Covid rule breakers they’re as quick as a flash but take 10,000 years when it comes to knife crime, grooming gangs, theft, assault, etc.

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frankfrankly
frankfrankly
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

PHE had millions, a lot of which it delegated to local authorities but health campaigns have been ineffective. We have the second highest obesity rate (after Malta) in Europe. A country like Japan with few deaths has very few people who are obese.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I think the ethnic minorities are more likely to be vitamin D deficient which many believe is a factor in bad outcomes with covid

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

They have much lower levels of vitamin D likewise the elderly in care homes who spend all their lives indoors. It is so startlingly evident to me why these two groups have been hit the hardest, I find it outrageous that it hasn’t been properly addressed.

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Obese and diabetics also more likely to be Vitamin D deficient than the general population.

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Indjack
Indjack
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Hi all, I think one over looked factor is the consumption of vegetable seed oils in culinary traditions of various groups. See here…

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/09/sars-cov-2-loves-linoleic-acid.html?m=1

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Indjack

Ivor Cummins book Eat Rich and Live Long is worth a read especially with regard to vegetable seed oils. Olive oil is the way to go with oils!

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Steve, Ivor Cummins had 3 doctors on and one attested to 25 BAME doctors dying in 5 weeks. A message went out to have vitamin D supplements and there has not been 1 death since. Good old Ivor, eh?

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Jane G
Jane G
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I think Ivor Cummins’ recent podcast interview with retired scientists/doctors on the subject of vitamin D probably nailed this phenomenon; it seemed to satisfactorily explain how a deficiency in this vitamin/hormone was an indicator for susceptibility, and darker-skinned demographics in cold northern climes were almost inevitably unable to synthesize it naturally in our often gloomy climate. No hint of racism, but some would jump on the bandwagon.

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frankfrankly
frankfrankly
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

No secret that multigenerational households spread the virus more easily plus Asian elders’ health is poor compared to those born in this country, who mirror everyone else. Older folk who migrated unfortunately often had TB in their youth and have scarred lungs.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

You have to recognise the work exposure profile for ethnic minorities, inner city dense population distribution which coincides with higher infection rates and the comorbidity profile such as diabetes and CHD, lower VitD. All skew the stats.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I read that the initial impression of BAME vulnerability was a byproduct of population demographics within the M25. As cases rose in the regions and more demographic data came in, the effect disappeared.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

The bit about using up Pfizer vaccine reminds me of the anecdote about (I think it was) Blenheim Palace. Apparently, each day’s uneaten food always used to be put outside the gates in huge bins for the benefit of the poor. It was not until the 1920s that a low-born but wealthy Duchess suggested that the savoury matter might be put in a different container from the sweet.

Likewise, end of day. Jabbing centre opens door and bins full of expired vaccine are put out for the benefit of the Great Unjabbed And one day, a lowborn jabber suggests that at least the Pfizer should be put in a different container from the AstraZeneca.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That was Consuelo Vanderbilt. When she moved in following her marriage in 1895, she was horrified at the food all mixed together and put a stop to the practice instead requiring that everything should be separated and let the poor help themselves.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

Alasdair Haimes has abandoned his scepticism and his common sense and embraced fear and propoganda.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Typo: Alistair, not Alasdair.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

More properly should be Alas-dear.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

To be honest he was never a real sceptic. I heard him on a podcast with James Delingpole ages ago. He is not even political in the most general sense. He is just a numbers man…all maths and no trousers. Hs scepticism was not borne out of the principle that it is wrong to lock up healthy people to save ill people…which for me is what it is ultimately about. Ironically I teach maths but this is not really about numbers at all its about moral principles.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

For me it’s about not robbing people of their rights. These cannot be removed for any reason. Criminals temporarily lose their freedoms while paying their debt to society, but not even they lose their rights.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I agree absolutely….in some ways we are treated worse than criminals and our crime is…..to want to work and live a normal life. Thats why I could never vote for any of these existing parties again. For me they have abused and violated my rights in a way that can never ever be forgiven.

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

Same. I don’t trust the numbers but, ultimately, they make no difference to my opinion. You simply don’t remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control, in free societies. This was accepted right up until last year when most of the world decided that following the lead of a ruthless, totalitarian regime was a great idea.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

Exactly and that was why I was opposed to this crap not just from day 1 but from second 1 on the 23rd March 2020. All those who accepted the first lockdown on the basis that ‘we did not know much about it’ (a position I got sick of hearing Talk Radio presenters come out with) are fully complicit in this deadlock situation where they will be very reluctant to ever allow us to come out of this and also it will be their immediate response to any new virus or ‘mutant variation’ of it.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

The movement from being opposed to lockdown restrictions to being in favour of them strikes me as so strange that I find it difficult to believe it is the result of an impartial evaluation of evidence. Rather, attention to the evidence would be likely to move someone in the opposite direction (Julia Hartley Brewer, for example). Whatever the difficulties the NHS may have, lockdowns are clearly not the solution. At best such measures may push the problem into the future, but even then at the cost of creating many more health problems, resulting in an NHS that is even less fit for purpose. The NHS problem is not the virus. It is a lack of capacity. This problem did not suddenly happen last year. It has been a deliberate policy choice that goes back decades. However, to stay with recent history, back in 2016 Exercise Cygnus concluded that in the event of a pandemic the NHS would be overwhelmed. The obvious policy response to that conclusion would have been to have increased NHS capacity. The government decided not to do so. Even last year, when Boris Johnson was introducing the lockdown to flatten the sombrero, the government did not use… Read more »

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

So so true, these problems manifest every year. Here’s the NHS Providers briefing: The real story of winter 2018/19

https://nhsproviders.org/media/644175/the-real-story-of-winter-2018_19.pdf

They highlight that last year Brexit fighting and the General Election kept them off the front page, but the usual winter overload/crises occurred. All the warnings are there yet nothing has been done. Instead their NHS bureaucratic incompetence is to be solved by locking us up!!!

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Timidity. There has been an increasing barrage of hostility to people who question the BS, and some people will cave.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

At Boris Johnson’s press briefing yesterday, Simon Stevens was particularly vicious in his attack on people taking pictures of empty hospital corridors. He made no attempt to dispute the authenticity of the pictures. He just attacked people who have put them on the Internet as dangerous and he made a point of painting an emotive picture of a nurse who has bravely struggled through a twelve hour shift battling the dreaded virus. Posting such pictures was an insult to her.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

As sceptics we naturally prefer fact over fiction and emotional hyperbole. Unfortunately we have to swallow our disgust and use the same approach to get our message across – it’s not as if we need to invent or exaggerate the examples of lockdown suffering. Not that we have a MSM platform to use sadly.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Especially those like Hames who have no serious political philosophy whether of Left or Right.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Is it not also due to the testing regime that dictates everyone within a “ten mile” radius of a positive test case must lock themselves away for ten days? Thus heavily depleting the availability of front-line staff. They have shot themselves in the foot and are now wondering why the foot hurts so badly.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

The CEO of the NHS hospital trust where my wife works recently outlined a change in the rules for staff self-isolation. From mid-December (presumably as the NHS finally recognised that it was going to be up shit creek in January), staff have been told that, in order to go for their proscribed period of self-isolation at home, they have to provide evidence of contact with a confirmed Covid-19 infected person, at a time when they have not been protected by the approved PPE.(Obviously, there could be competence/disciplinary implications if they admit this.) It seems to be a belated attempt to end a very popular scam for the staff…

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

No excuses for lockdown. Not ever. Under any circumstances.

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danny
danny
5 years ago

A little disappointing to see the choice of articles on this site today. Both basically suggesting a major problem. We have enough of that with every single newspaper and TV channel in then country with the possible exception of talk radio thanks.
Yes Covid can kill the vulnerable, yes into can add to the strains on a winter NHS, but the whole point is, the response is utterly disproportionate and most importantly, taking more lives than it saves whilst at the same time terrorising a nation with unnecessary and cruel measures such as masks, banning families and closing schools.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Exactly. Prepare for the NHS to be overwhelmed by the greater demands of dealing with the lockdown victims

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

It won’t be given the same attention by the MSM. So Sceptics need to.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

I always thought that the NHS was stupid to go along with this. Did no one ever raised the point that if they were to be overwhelmed, it would be from those who had untreated illnesses, mental health issues, victims of domestic violence and substance abuse?

And don’t forget mask wearing that can lead to a whole host of problems – chest infections, bacterial pneumonia, dermatitis, impetigo and a raft of psychological problems.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Being constantly on the edge of collapse is how the apparatchiks of NHS/Moloch maintain their funding and power.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

And my own cynical view is also that, because of the fear propaganda, many people are phoning the emergency services if they have the slightest hint of a cough or shortness of breath or panic and it suits the government’s agenda to take as many of these people to hospital as possible. They are then checked over and ‘kept in for observation’ (adding to the hospitalisation numbers) just in case it is the ‘dreaded’ covid whereas a year ago, if they had even been seen in hospital, they would have been sent home and told to take a paracetamol.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

Exactly. Whatever happened to the old days when the doctor simply says: “I can’t do anything for you. Go home, rest, take plenty of liquids, take nourishing meals and paracetamol every 4 hours?”

All sense of proportion and common sense has gone out of the window.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think those masks are already causing dire health problems, gauging from how listless many of the local shop staff are, they have a real sicky look about them. The masks have also caused absolute foul breath in some.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Hence why I’m seeing more and more supermarket staff claiming exemption.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I wish more would on both sides, its horrible to watch people suffer in the damn things.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Agree entirely Danny.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The inhumanity of lockdown. Not only a stupid policy, not only a failed policy, but also a crime against humanity. No excuse for it and no forgiveness for it, ever.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Agree Nick, totally inhumane.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The article from the doctor is enough to tell me this is extremely serious. I was in hospital on Wednesday, for half a day and the panic was palpable. Lockdown, test and trace, face nappies has caused this shit but shit it is. We do ourselves no favours in terms of making that point, down the line, by denying that this shit, unlike anything we have actually seen so far, is real. They have cried wolf and cried wolf but now the wolf is at the door. Lockdown won’t make the situation better, only nature will do that, but I don’t think lockdown can make it any worse as long as people are going to take the snake oil, which I think they are.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

It is, of course, The Scots Greys, pictured at Waterloo charging in a brilliant action by The Union Brigade.

The Brigade took 50% casualties throughout that day in capturing two Eagles.

The gallant 600, at Balaclava, in the Crimea, took 40% casualties in one charge, seven Victoria Crosses, and then back home for tea on his steam yacht, Dryad, moored in Balaklava harbour, for their commander, Lord Cardigan.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

There was some probably unfounded speculation that Cardigan did not take part in the Charge at all. He certainly did not bother to look after his surviving troops after it ended.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

‘“I’ve been in a serious affair, and my brigade is almost destroyed. My opinion is that Lt General (Lord Lucan) ought to have had the moral courage to disobey the order…I led the attack…the shower of grape shot and round shot for ¾ of a mile was awful…almost every officer, but myself was either killed, or wounded, and how I escaped, being in front, and more exposed than anyone is a fearful miracle and I am most grateful to the Almighty for such an intervention of Divine Providence. I considered it certain death, but led straight and no man flinched…” Letter to his brother-in-law, Lord Howe, three days after the battle In his defence, he was 56 years old and a sick man at the time; had remonstrated with Lucan at the idiocy of the orders. Neither he, nor Lucan or, certainly, Raglan, should have been in command of anything at that stage. The Cardwell reforms eventually followed on from The Crimean War. Let us hope for something similar for the NHS after this far greater debacle Cardigan’s splendid charger, Ronald, also survived the action. His head may still, today, gaze quizzically out at the world from its position in… Read more »

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The purchase of officers’ commissions was gradually ended after the war. It had been seen as conducive to social stability but could result in well-heeled fools commanding troops.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

The Crimean War is an interesting parallel of command incompetence similar to this present medical weird out

In this context, interesting to speculate on how membership of SAGE is obtained; not by money, certainly, but, just as certainly, by some other currency; the results a great deal more damaging than any nineteenth century military action.

Reform of the NHS is required, forthwith:

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Supposedly, these people are experts – science-led etc. If there is corruption it is of a different kind from the sale of officers’ commissions.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

The Cardigan phenomenon might well be endemic in the NHS. A well heeled middle class person has a rather middlingly- thick child. Said child goes to university to get a “Something Studies” degree then becomes an NHS “manager”. Not quite the same as buying a commission but similarly well heeled opportunism. The NHS is stuffed with admin people whose main strength is walking around with a lanyard.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

or they become a politician.
one thing about crimea. Out of that came the best medical statistician this country has ever seen .
Here’s question for you.. in this context who was Athena? . Answers on a postcard to Neil Ferguson, Imperial College.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

The entire public sector management is suspect. Like I said, it hasn’t changed much since Crimea.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

The sale of Officers commissions was not in fact corrupt, supported by the Duke of Wellington

‘The late illustrious Duke of Wellington had left a memorandum upon the subject, in which he seemed to look upon the system of purchase somewhat in the light of a political institution, and defended it on the ground that it brought into the army men of the higher classes who had a stake in the country, and were not likely to take part against its authorities or its institutions.’

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1856/mar/04/sale-of-commissions-in-the-army

Appointments to SAGE are not financially corrupt either but certainly seem to suffer from that other unhealthy corruption: ‘cronyism’

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Wellington defended it as conducive to social stability. He was a member of the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland and that moulded his attitudes. I think Cromwell also cast a long shadow. Wellington died in 1852 – had he lived to witness the Crimean War perhaps it would have changed his attitudes.
Politics certainly played a part. I believe it was impossible to purchase naval officer rank in the same way in the Royal Navy, but naval officers had to know how to operate a ship and were not allowed to be moneyed incompetents. Moreover the RN was unlikely to march on Whitehall but the army might.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Influence and career peddling by a back scratching in-gang

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

So much of the traditional discipline of scientific thought has been undermined by political or commercial pressures. As Toby mentions in his article today, so much of the evidence presented to SAGE, NERVTAG etc. has never even been subject to peer review. Even if it had, it’s obvious that the authors would ensure that the peer reviewers would all be selected from the same “Band of Brothers” which is, essentially, a good description of SAGE itself.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

True, but the best parallel to lockdown strategy is the war in the trenches 1914-17.Big offensive after big offensive turned out a bloody failure. The reaction: the last offensive wasn’t big enough, let’s have a bigger one, the next one will be so big it will work. But it doesn’t, and men bleed, but not the men who planned the offensive.

C. S. Forester likened this to a bunch of ignorant savages trying to get a screw out of a piece of wood. They hit it harder and harder and harder, to no effect. It occurs to none of them to try unscrewing it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

As somebody posted here the other day, third lockdown is like the third Battle of Ypres.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes the phrase “Lions led by donkeys” springs to mind.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Except it’s now sheep led by donkeys.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Not much has changed, tbh

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

It was a convenient place to dump your younger sons who weren’t going to inherit your estate.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

Are GP’s surgeries being paid a flate rate per vaccine jab?
Will that incentivise them to work at weekends?

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Probably and
Did I see something about not working Sundays? Or was that just for before Christmas after Boris had promised 7 days a week for the rollout?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Yes, £10.00 more than for the annual flu jab X2 = nearly £50.00 per vaccinee.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And it seems they don’t want to share it with pharmacists. Nooooo that would be too logical.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

I think it’s 15 pounds for every shot.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

They won’t need to work weekends because once the couple of million cowards and hypochondriacs are injected no one in their right mind is gonna take the vaseline. Then what will these cunts do i wonder?

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Probably not, but it will certainly encourage them to vaccinate people from lower risk groups at the expense of the vulnerable, hence the stories today about the Pfizer vaccine being given to random NHS administrative staff to avoid it going to waste.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago

So Toby, “Disgraced” President of the United States is it? Buying into the propaganda then without actually delving into the details. The illegality is still there. Maybe take some time and realise that the crowds who were in DC were there because they can see the steal. 4 states by default have enabled voter laws outside their consitutional remit. And that’s not even accounting for the other fraud practices As he for Alastair Haines he is weak. When the facts change I change my mind. Well Alastair facts in science are something you can audit and they still come up the same. It all depends on how you measure stuff. The problem is that nothing has changed, the data upon which this whole edifice is built is like sand. As John Lee pointed out, you don’t know if anyone labelled as Covid has Covid or if that is the major factor in their illness of death. There’s a simple test: looking at mortality if you did not know or have heard about Covid what would you think about the deaths this winter as different? Of course you wouldn’t. In fact if there was no response to the panic of “Covid-19”… Read more »

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

In all probability he was got at. It seems to happen quite a lot. The Establishment send out the attack dogs and some people buckle under aggression. Such a shame.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

There was that prick Hopson yesterday on Talk Radio. He was seen off appropriately.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Yes, JHB gave him every encouragement to complain to Ofcom if he felt that Talk Radio’s coverage was biased or factually incorrect, but he was far too intesterest in trying to belittle her. The man is a turd.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

He unfortunately isn’t a Man from Missouri. You simply ask how was that measured? Show me.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Its happened in every conflict in history…some people are just weaker than others. I was subject to verbal attack the other day by 2 maskoids at the same time who did not even know each other. I know some people would have buckled under that but I did not. Its everyone’s choice.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago

Excellent post by Toby today (happy new year, everyone), missing one vital point: that the very practices of isolation (including lockdown), distancing and mask wearing severely DAMAGE the human immune system, thereby making it MORE likely that people cannot fight off seasonal viruses, the SARS-Cov-2 one in all its strains included. The human body has an excellent immune system. To function well, even in elderly and vulnerable people (in all but the medically immunosuppressed), it needs a regular work out. In other words it needs to be continually exposed to bacteria and viruses to keep it flexing its muscles, otherwise it will atrophy. When you stop people mixing – especially when you keep the young away from the old (the young expose the old to mild viruses in little loads) – you damage a normal function in their body. Maybe you even make them vaccine dependent (though I’m not a conspiracist so I’m not suggesting this is being done deliberately). I’ve never worn a mask, when lockdowns happen I go out every day and handle everything I can in supermarkets, I hug whomever will let me hug them, and I even licked the grass in Hyde Park once to prove… Read more »

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I agree. If I’m healthy, I don’t need to bother the NHS. I did need to bother them in April 2020 when I spent a day in hospital after a series of violent panic attacks, caused by Lockdown anxieties.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Very good point! The mental health crisis caused by the barbaric practice of isolating people is far more catastrophic. It’s taking perfectly healthy people out of action. I’m emotionally supporting many people suffering from severe panic attacks, some having suicidal thoughts. These were mental strong, healthy people before this war on humanity. I’ve had a lot of experience in trauma release (from a practical and academic perspective). I feel very fortunate that I understand how to deal with trauma (release it!) But most people don’t, are not being given help, and are suffering extraordinary stress. STRESS KILLS PEOPLE. Stay strong. Your community here supports you!

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Again you’ve hit the nail on the head.

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Underrated post

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CaptainG
CaptainG
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Lol why have lockdowns when you could just have everyone go and lick the grass 😉 great comment-
but I strongly suspect that Xi Jinping’s lockdowns are indeed carefully calibrated to inflict maximum damage to the immune systems, ensuring the pandemic is never recovered from. All measures currently favoured -lockdowns, distancing, masks- fly in the face of all accepted good medical practice and general life advice prior to March 2020. And the monomaniacal focus on lockdowns and vaccines is to the exclusion of everything that might boost the immune system, as you say. This has been refined through experiments with the Uighur I’m afraid.
keeping everyone isolated will have catastrophic and tragic health impacts even more than we have now down the line.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  CaptainG

Nope. “Our” governments did this to us and chose to. Whatever the disputed origins of this thing are, governments outside of China could have behaved differently. It is also noticeable that if they imitate the Chinese it is only the draconian stuff they imitate. When the Chinese loosen up, they do not follow suit.

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Excellent point. I am also convinced lockdowns harm the immune system and the longer they go on, the worse the damage becomes. I have tried to find evidence to support this, but most of it is vague, probably because it would take years of research post lockdown to analyse.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

There’s no evidence they save lives (even that mythical ‘one’) but plenty of evidence that they; increase relative mobility of the vulnerable, slow onset of herd immunity, slow the evolution of less harmful strains, increase spread by concentrating people.

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Liewe
Liewe
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Hear hear! Another point is that keeping people isolated will FORCE a virus to evolve to become more infectious – it has to do this to keep on spreading.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

Yes, this is exactly what Patrick Vallance said in March when I held out hope that the UK would stand alone in doing the sensible thing and accepting “herd immunity” (the original kind led by the human immune system) would ensure the virus eventually diminished in severity, as it has with all other coronaviruses. Sadly herd stupidity took hold, driven by online hysteria (“you can’t just LET PEOPLE DIE”), and we ended up ruled by mob mentality… MANY MORE will die as a result. But hindsight is 2020, right?!

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Terror of Piers Morgan screeching at them on telly played a major part I think. The hapless Whately was repeatedly thrown against him like the 1/5th North Staffordshire Regiment against the Hohenzollern Redoubt at Loos (with similar results).

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

Exactly – they are forcing all the viruses to find new ways to get at us.
Coupled with the rusty immune systems of the work from home crowd and we are looking at a cataclysm

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Decanter

People need to mingle and exchange germs to actually charge their immune systems. Social distancing is actually counter productive.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Completely agree, we are not biologically attuned to this way of life. We have immune systems for a reason. I’m much the same as you; never wear a mask, am not over hygienic (e.g. incessant hand sanitizing) and have a job working outdoors in a dirty yard where we all mingle. My immune system is in top form and its staying that way regardless of what those twats in parliament say/do or try to push on me.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

The new normal: New virus, lockdown, vaccine, repeat.

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JustMe
JustMe
5 years ago

The most powerful figure is that the number of people who died from COVID-19 in English hospitals in 2020 who were under 60 with no underlying health conditions was 388.

Tell this to most people and their eyes go wide.

This should be on the top of the page, every day, updated for 2021.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago

When people are being arrested in their own homes for uploading pictures of empty hospitals, if the Establishment are willing to destroy people’s credibility and livelihoods they are capable of anything.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Well the “establishment” are all bought with money or child abuse, both probably. These people are child murderers wither they do it for pleasure or sell weapons they know will be dropped on innocent people they don’t give a fuck. Why would they care about the British people? Now we are one planet Britain can go fuck itself and bought and paid for child abusers in Parliament are just doing the bidding of the evil shadow government.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Disgusting what has happened in Scotland. Just seen it on Mahyer Tousi’s channel. Police actually turning up to a woman’s home to investigate a gathering after a neighbour snitched that they’d seen someone going in. Turns out it was the woman’s daughter who’d just been released from a hospital operation (or something along those lines) and I think she was living there but the police just came in, caused a scene and arrested the woman and I presume her partner. Horrible Nazi behaviour.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

I think we should spend less time talking about whether the NHS is overwhelmed or not and spend more time talking about whether lockdown should even be in the toolkit of options for dealing with this.

I don’t see lockdowns are ever justified – surely we would need a higher burden of proof than the NHS is having a wobble at least. Locking people in their homes is just not an appropriate way to manage demand in the NHS.

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SallyM
SallyM
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Exactly. This site has become way too bogged down in details about hospital admissions, cases and testing. We should be opposing lockdowns on basic principles of public health and human rights and the disruptive effects of lockdowns on societal functioning, which should be preserved to the maximum possible extent in an epidemic.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

There are lots of improvements that could probably be made to the NHS and the democratically elected government can enact them. Just because it hasn’t doesn’t mean we should all be locked in our homes. It doesn’t work on a fundamental rights basis (my rights are not contingent on the current pressure on a government service) and certainly doesn’t on a cost/benefit analysis as you allude to.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I’m not disagreeing with you – more trying to reinforce the point!

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

🙂 I have to get up at 5am to work before homeschooling then go back to work. But I am one of the lucky ones in that my job is safe til summer. I really have no complaints.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

EXACTLY!! if we were to send the entire population to the gas chambers on their 60th or 50th birthday, along with everyone who has a chronic or terminal condition, it would do wonders for relieving the pressure on the NHS. the ends do not justify the means. if the NHS can not cope when people get sick then this means the NHS is useless and not fit for purpose, and it’s the NHS that needs to go, not the people. this deification of the sacred NHS has to stop

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Also, it faces unlimited demand. Its very successes ensure its ultimate failure.The more people it keeps alive long after Nature has called time on them, the more expensive their care becomes. And the more sophisticated drugs become, the more they cost. The NHS will NEVER be able to ‘cope’.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Having seen how NHS/Moloch keeps the elderly alive I shall be taking the Laphroaig/Swale option when the time comes. Timing and courage critical of course, let’s hope they don’t fail me.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Good points!

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

This is the point…I am sick of hearing about the bloody NHS as if its god. When I was a young adult you hardly ever heard about it…now its a national obsession…thats partly why we are in this mess.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

Exactly, the NHS has been Deified. The clapping, symbolic mask wearing and reciting “stay at home” diktats are just like religious rituals. Covid 19 is now a cult.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

The plan is working – how to destroy the NHS as a symbol, so it can be piratised for US-style operations?

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Garoo

I think the NHS needs to be scrapped completely and replaced by a more continental style medical service which is more fair, more efficient and better run. The NHS has become the medical equivalent of British Leyland.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Yes for decades we have been told that the way to help the NHS was ever increasing sums of taxpayers money. Now thats no longer enough. Now the taxpayers have to be put under house arrest too!

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

At a very early point in the pandemic, Rishi Sunak wrote off the historic debts of the various NHS trusts, thereby throwing away any hope that they could be used in the future as a lever to encourage reform. As a mechanism, it was hopelessly naive – any new money should surely have been ring-fenced to improve current performance?

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

‘As the now disgraced President of the United States said, the cure is worse than the disease’

Tut tut Toby, wait until Delingpole sees that.

Also not necessary or appropriate. You insult the millions of Americans that voted for him thus falling into the Maitless approach.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Trump is a hero. America has been stolen from the people by the same people that brought the world the middle east wars, 9/11 and all these fake muslim terrorists. I predict a rise in war, terrorism and more lockdowns from these clowns. It’s a crazy world when Trump stood alone as the saviour of the West. I say this without any irony nor am i kidding. Anyone denying the election wasn’t stolen is either lying and being paid to say that or so fucking stupid they’re probably a socialist. We are in for a dark night of the soul under these people

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Socialism distancing, as one wit – JP Sears – recently put it.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Indeed, warp speed to restart all the profitable worldwide conflicts increasing when Proconsul Harris kowtows to Emperor Xi. The peace agreements in Middle East would be enough to secure anyone else’s legacy let alone a Peace Prize or two.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

It wont be Proconsul Harris for very long. Biden will be deemed to be unable to fulfil the office of President on medical grounds possibly dementia or he will trip over his dog and break his neck. then it will be President Harris!
This whole presidential election farce has been pre-planned, pre-arranged and pre-paid. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America.

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ladynorwood
ladynorwood
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

With Hilary as VP…. She finally gets what she wants (almost) and the leftards celebrate

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Trump was robbed

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

You dont even have to be a Trump supporter to see that election as corruption on a giant scale. Toby will never see that though …he is terrified of losing his modest foot in the door of the mainstream media. James does not call him a cuck for nothing.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

Toby should just have left the ‘disgraced’ out. He has enough work on his hands with Free Speech and Lockdown.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I agree. It jarred with me to see him include that ‘disgraced’ and why use it when the statement he is referencing is 100% what this site stands for?

What has happened in USA now is terrifying, many feel as we do about Trump and the massive election fraud but you’ll never see it in the bent MSM. How do we make our voices heard?

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Agree, it was a stolen election.

Unless something happens in the next 2 weeks to overturn what went on yesterday then we’re all doomed.

Is this a cunning plan to get all the enemies in the open including his allies who were stabbing Trump in the back the whole time he was President so they can be arrested as they have shown themselves openly to be enemies of the people or is this the end for good and we’re all screwed?

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I was reading a piece the day of the Georgia reruns, with one Dem canvasser claiming that their office had signed up 125,000 new supporter, most of whom would be using absentee votes, becuase they don’t have to produce ID at polling stations. They took a lesson from Labour about postal votes and how the minority community leaders love them.for the ability to influence block voting.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Disgraced only in the eyes of the mass media – the legacy mass media. If I was disgraced in their eyes, I would consider it an honour.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I’m a Socialist (for the many, not the few) and agree totally.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I think its going to be an even more bitter London Calling next tuesday…cant wait!

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
5 years ago

How close to Herd immunity?

Looking at the governments ‘cases’ map, zoomed in to local level, you can see pockets of blue in inner London, as well as some in Birmingham. These appear to be more cosmopolitan areas, perhaps areas which had experienced more cases early on and might now be close to Herd.

I have also read that around 60% of school children may have already developed immunity. This suggests they are very close to herd and closing schools a completely useless strategy.

However, apparently we don’t do any measurements about herd, T cells etc these days, so we’ve no idea. I could be wrong. If anyone has any data on this please share your.
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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

I think we are at herd immunity. The progression of the virus is as you would expect for a normal seasonal winter virus that is endemic. Zoe shows 70,000 new infections per day and we would expect 400,000 infections per day of all cold/flu variants. It is just one (a major one) of the 200 or so respiratory illnesses that go round in winter and kill 40,000 extra (comparing Dec-Feb to other months) every year.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

Lockdowns are an emergency measure for a deadly pandemic. Not a tool for propping up the NHS. This isn’t a deadly pandemic or national emergency therefore lockdowns are being imposed illegally by our government.

End of.

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SallyM
SallyM
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Prior to this year there was a scientific consensus that lockdowns should never be used as a pandemic control measure. The deadliness of a pathogen is not really relevant. In fact, the more deadly the pathogen the more likely an epidemic is to die out quickly without intervention.

Lockdowns should go back into the textbook as something never to be done.

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ChrisW
ChrisW
5 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

This is what worries me the most. If we don’t win the argument against lockdowns then they’ll be used again in the future.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

The truth is our braindead politicians have simply no idea on how to run things, they are like headless chickens. None of these measures make any sense whatsoever.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

They only make sense in the narrative of ‘The Great Reset’ and if they don’t want us to believe in that ‘crazy tin-foil hat conspiracy’ theory then they need to stop this shit show down and fast.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I wouldn’t worry about any “great reset”. What appears to be happening is incapable & incompetent governments around the world are acting in groupthink with covid-19 (probably inspired by the lockdown tactics used in China) and a few nefarious chancers like those in the WEF are hoping to use the ongoing fiasco to push their own agenda. Much of it will eventually fail because of human nature and the fact humanity is too diverse be be run as a technocracy. I’m not a conspiracy theorist anyhow, just a realist.

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Lockdowns are not needed. Ever. In a truly deadly pandemic, there would be absolutely no need for the government to mandate people staying at home as people would do this anyway.

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

This is so true.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

SAGE minutes ceased referring to a pandemic probably May/June time. It has been called an epidemic consistently since then.

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

Let’s put some reality back in this. Firstly, I have gone through the NHS stats produced yesterday morning and, as at 3 January 2021, there were 1,074 patients in critical care in London. That compares to 741 on the same day 3 years ago, and if you adjust for the population of over 70s (who represent around 80% of deaths every year) that is equivalent to around 800 in terms of today’s population. The national figures show 3,981 this year and an equivalent 3,528 on Jan 3 2018.That’s without even looking at Jan 2015 where the equivalent national figure was 3840. And as I’m sure you’re all aware, G&A occupancy is well below its level for previous years. So coming back to the London figures, the NHS crisis is about 274 people out of a population of 9 million, of whom an estimate of 20% (55) are under 75, and that is the reason our children can’t go to schools, we are under house arrest and normal life has been cancelled. Not to mention the horrendous toll in unemployment, mental illness, poverty and death from other causes. Taking into account the growth rate in critical care patients over the last two… Read more »

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Adamb
Adamb
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Superb post.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Yes, thank you, time for the ‘managers’ at NHS/Moloch to fall on their swords like the chap on the doors at US Capitol.

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Alci
Alci
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Now that’s the sort of crisp summary I’d like to see on lockdown sceptics every morning. Thank you for digging out those stats & presenting so clearly. I’m also viscerally anti-imprisoning healthy people because I think it goes beyond where a state can and should properly act. I agree with Jonathan Sumption that it’s illegitimate in a democracy to apply criminal law to who I meet with, what I wear, and where I go. That’s why I had panic attacks for the first time since I was a child when the first lockdown was announced (thank goodness for a supportive husband), despite us not being financially affected. The horror of all those affected – domestic violence, small business owners, loneliness… Almost unbearable, but at least I have young children to distract me. But I felt totally alone. Comfortable middle class people, relieved to be able to watch Netflix in place of their commute, just didn’t think like that. *I* was the immoral one. The penny’s dropping with more people now, but still with far, far too few. It’s still weirdly acceptable to say “I approved of the first lockdown but not the later ones”. But that set the percent for… Read more »

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Alci

Yes, the idea that it’s somehow OK for 130 million people to starve to death highlights the immorality. As with thermageddon the world’s poor must suffer so we can feel safe and virtuous.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

What’s even more immoral are the comfortable middle classes in the developing world who support lockdown even at the cost of their poor counterparts and are tone deaf to the mental health impacts of lockdowns, social distancing and enforced mask wearing. That’s the reason why I’m done with my family for awhile now – their inappropriate responses and remarks to my perfectly harmless gestures such as thanking them for Christmas presents and asking them how they’re getting hints at their having swallowed the propaganda whole and allowing for no dissent. The final insult was my brother-in-law telling me to stay at home because a friend died of Covid. While I wouldn’t take lightly someone dying at a young age, I would query whether it was actually Covid or something else.

At the risk of sounding callous, I wouldn’t shed tears for my family if they run into financial difficulties and my nieces develop psychological problems as a result of all this. They made their bed and they can lie in it.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Lockdown is a comfortable middle class policy, for those of us who actually have to go out and work (my job can’t be done at home) and live in flats with no garden etc its no fun and a violation of human rights.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

If all stats are confirmed, this should appear as a permanent piece on the right-hand side and (with all due respect and gratitude) Laurence should be Toby’s spin doctor the next time MSM want to humble him on telly. This government is a fucking disgrace and is treating us like thick subservient cunts. My greatest fear is they, along with Starmer’s cluster-fucks, know we’ll never vote for these spineless pricks again thus under Klaus’ direction they’ll never give us the chance.

Stacey Rudin’s piece in today’s extras should be an international heads up to anyone supporting or condoning any type of lockdown. How can any of this bullshit be remotely acceptable.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

I still think lockdowns are wrong and always have been wrong. They don’t work in any material way and they cause more harm than good. It really is that simple. In any other year, if the NHS was at material risk of being overwhelmed by a combination of a virulent strain of flu, cold weather, and the usual winter ailments, any calls to shut down the entire country just to stop it from being overwhelmed would have been met with understandable derision. There is absolutely no excuse. This disease has been circulating for a year now and scientists have known for months that it is seasonal. Sir Patrick Vallance himself admitted back in March that a long spring lockdown would just delay the proper peak of the disease until winter, when everyone is already weaker and there are fewer healthcare resources – and yet that’s exactly what we did, and had summer restrictions to boot as well. The government have had ample time to prepare the NHS for what they knew was going to happen, but instead of doing that, they have just used the information to spread fear and panic. If this really is a ‘wartime’ situation, then why… Read more »

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nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Not really a full shutdown though what we have. Production, Construction, Haulage and big retail all fully firing. All I might add include big Conservative donors. The cynical might conclude that might be a factor in the government’s shutdown selection, or shutting them down so close to tax year end would hugely dip the tax take after April. Remember 29% is due back on last years grants. Choke of 3 months income in construction and HMRC would potentially lose much of that.

I did hear the rapist’s dad this morning indicating he would love a hit at some of the sectors the government has so kindly allowed to trade.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I am appalled at this ‘Protected the NHS’ mantra, like it was some frail elderly relative of whom not much can be expected. As I have mentioned before, if I pay a plumber £5000 to fit a new bathroom and end up having to defecate in the garden because the toilet does not work I do not say ‘oh well never mind we must protect the poor plumber, no, I will give the plumber merry hell until they get back and do the job for which they were paid! With this current crisis why are the NHS top brass not all on the carpet, being dressed down and getting final warnings for failing to do the job for which they are paid very highly?

The current NHS model is fatally flawed we cannot carry on like this, being made to suffer for a bloated organisation that seems incapable of organising an inebriated celebration in a place of alcohol production.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Me too. If this (NHS) isn’t sorted out over the summer heads should do more than roll, they should be on spikes. No more lockdowns after this one.

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houdini
houdini
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Be careful criticism of the NHS may soon lead to the police breaking your door down

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

“Protecting the NHS” is one of the biggest albatross around the British public’s neck. I always thought that the NHS was there to serve us not the other way round.

Trouble is the NHS is stuck in the late 1940s-early 1950s and has never kept us hence why we’re in this mess. Meanwhile we’re spoon fed propaganda about how wonderful it is and any dissent or suggestions of reform is always shut down by cries of “we will end up like America” as is the USA is the only other comparable health system (same argument is used against suggestions of reform in the BBC). If the NHS is so wonderful why haven’t other countries especially those in the Commonwealth have copied it?

When this is over, there really needs to be a root and branch reform of the NHS or perhaps put it out of its misery and let us move to a system similar to France or Germany. Let’s face it, the NHS to me seems to be practically begging to be euthanised at this point.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Absolutely right…I am sick to death of the bloody NHS.

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John001
John001
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I get sick of insurance companies in other fields ripping me off and refusing to pay claims. Charlatans.

Half the world uses a variant on a government-run medical system because no-one’s found anything better (or less bad) that can cover a country’s healthcare needs on about 10-12% of GDP. One reason the UK NHS is pathetic is that it only pays 8-9% of GDP.

The German system will deny people treatment for serious conditions if they don’t have an adequate insurance record. Happened to a friend’s brother. They’ll be means-tested until their savings have mostly gone. A slightly less cruel version of the US system.

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ladynorwood
ladynorwood
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Indeed – people seem to forget that the S in NHS stands for Service, just like the Civil Service – they work for US, WE pay THEIR wages… It is almost punishable by death (well actually it is punishable by death) to criticise the NHS, akin to saying you eat live babies. The mismanagement and abuse of the system by staff is eyewatering – I know of a nurse who books two weeks’ holiday, then does her job as “bank” staff (on three times the money), goes back to work for a couple of days, gets signed off sick for two weeks and goes on holiday…. I also have a mate who offered to supply his local NHS trust with surgical gloves at £5 a box (whilst still making a profit), the response was “no thanks, we’ll stick with our supplier at £9 a box”…

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Good post. Mrs TJN and I have been having that exact conversation over breakfast.

There’s all that they could have been doing to prepare for what is happening now. But we find that the NHS has some 5k to 10k fewer beds than this time last year. Isn’t that literally criminal?

There’s loads they could be doing right now to try to get on top of this, but there’s no sign they’re doing it.

Fundamentally, once we’d got to about mid-April last year covid wasn’t a difficult problem to understand. Enough information was in. What was needed was clarity of thought and the moral courage to see it through. Both have been woefully lacking.

One difference between Mrs TJN and I is that I get very worked up about it, I chew it over constantly, whereas she can compartmentalise it.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

It seems to be acknowledged now that the key reason reason that they’ve reduced the number of available beds is because they never planned for the hospitals to be full of sick patients. If this was line from “Yes Minister”, that would have had the audience rolling in the aisles!

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

A true sceptic might suggest they’ve reduced the beds knowing full well what they’re doing.

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Biker
Biker
5 years ago

My right to do what i want is more important than not overwhelming the NHS. I could give two fucks about the NHS. Anyone supporting the destruction of society, our rights and all the rest of it is a direct threat to me and will be treated as such if the need be. Just saying all you fuckers supporting the tyranny might face those who’s live’s they’ve destroyed

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes this is the real nub of it…utterly sick of the NHS being put before people’s jobs and businesses and general ability to enjoy their lives. It is now a form of ‘health fascism’. Every stupid Tory feels obliged to worship the NHS just in case they are pilloried by the Labour Party. They might as well just join forces,,,they really are no different.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

No one should be willing to surrender their rights, liberties and freedoms which grandad’s generation fought so hard in WW2 to protect.

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Hoppy Uniatz
Hoppy Uniatz
5 years ago

Waiting at the bus station yesterday. The bus came in, empty except for the driver and a small girl sitting on the bucket seat behind the driver, intent on an ipad. I got on, nobody else did, the small girl stayed in place. As the bus wended through miles of suburbia I gradually twigged.

As I got off:
Me (indicating small girl, to the bus driver):”Is that your childcare?!”
Bus driver (ruefully): “yeah.”

Evidently bus drivers don’t count as key workers.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Hoppy Uniatz

Interesting also that some teachers are complaining that the number of key worker children in schools has rocketed compared to spring, a good sign I think as the novelty of furlough wears off and the reality of redundancy hits home; it may also show that parental fear of the virus is dropping like a stone.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Dog walking yesterday I met 3 neighbours on my block. Had long chats with them all. One said she and her husband had gone back to work they are so bored. On previous lockdowns they did WFH.
While working they use a dog walker who visits their home, a tiny boost to the local economy , so 3 people usefully working.
No masks at all and the only pavement dancing was us trying to stop our dogs on leads doing the maypole dance around us.
Also no clapping. We are all fed up.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Hoppy Uniatz

that has serious implications from an insurance point of view. The child was not a fare paying passenger etc . I admire the drivers initiative but i hope he does not have an accident

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Alci
Alci
5 years ago

I suspect Alastair Haimes was “got” at, perhaps by those he works with or whose funds he manages. And perhaps he couldn’t resist the kudos of writing for the Spectator. From Twitter exchanges in the spring, he did not believe – based on robust data – that lockdowns worked. That said, he was always more centrist and circumspect than his promoters would have you believe – I remember being surprised by the wetness of some of his comments on the Delingpod last summer.

Speaking of the Spectator, what a hopeless disappointment that’s been. A combination of getting too close to their sources, logical data analysis not being their strong point, and a desire by management to massively grow readership by becoming more “mainstream”, has hollowed out the quality of their journalism.

In short, thank goodness for lockdown sceptics!

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Alci

He may have been “got at” but I suspect it’s more likely he was suffering from the pressure of being vilified by all and sundry, and with the vaccine sees an end in sight, and is justifying his change in position to himself as the data having changed.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

yep, he just had a wobble

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

You are being kind.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Well he should have his wobbles in private!

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Alci
Alci
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yep, perhaps “got at” sounded too conspiracy theory. I meant something similar: your friends shrinking from you; perhaps your wife disagreeing with you; your fund management colleagues & major clients implying your views were unacceptable…
But on top of all that, to have such a high profile article in the Speccy implies someone senior/influential involved.
Anyway, wholly disappointing either way.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Alci

he’ll kick himself. he should have stuck to his guns.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  Alci

I doubt if Hames was got at….he was never really there…I thought he was politically clueless on the Delingpod. This is not about numbers anyway..its about moral choices.

As for the Spectator its gone…I never bought it anyway…I think I always suspected what it was really like underneath….its just pure Establishment. Look at the way Liddle caved in when things got tough.

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Stonecircle
Stonecircle
5 years ago

Re: Suggestions For Researchers I live close to a major shopping area in Newcastle upon Tyne. I frequently use the large Tesco store. It probably employs 200 to 300 people aged 18 to 70. Until well into the summer the checkouts did not have plastic screens nor wear masks generally worn. Every Tesco employee would have been exposed to the virus either from colleagues or from the public between early March and say July. Their working lives were unaffected by Lockdown rules. I am on chatty terms with several of the people on the check outs. I know them well enough to ask if they have had Covid and how many of their Tesco colleagues have had it. I have been doing this since mid March. By September I gathered that less than 10 had reported in sick with Covid. Some had been quite ill but none that I heard of had needed hospital treatment. One or two had reported long Covid problems. One lady said that she was surprised that so few of her colleagues had caught Covid. Allowing for inaccuracy in my figure one thing is quite clear. Of a hundred or more people who were repeatedly exposed… Read more »

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Crimson Avenger
Crimson Avenger
5 years ago
Reply to  Stonecircle

I don’t know about you but I don’t buy this “asymptomatic” business. They didn’t catch it. The test they have been using is flawed and not fit for purpose. Our politicians have been led up the garden.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  Crimson Avenger

I agree, i don’t buy it either. Are there any other diseases that are known that you can have and pass on to others but never show any signs or have symptoms of? Perhaps there are, does anyone know?

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Covid is strangely media-driven. The other great plagues in history were killing people very obviously in large numbers. Plagues, the “Spanish Flu” of 1918-20 etc. Although even reports of the latter were widely censored until WW1 was safely over.
If the MSM weren’t devoting most of their coverage to it most people would hardly know it was there.

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Crimson Avenger
Crimson Avenger
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

I think the term “Hysteria” was coined for situations like this.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

I can’t think of any. I’ve never heard of colds and flu being spread asymptomatically, and most common cold bugs are coronaviruses.

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Stonecircle
Stonecircle
5 years ago
Reply to  Crimson Avenger

It is accepted that it is possible to have a viral infection asymptomatically. It was estimated that about 72% of the passengers on the cruise ship Diamond Princess had covid but had not displayed symptoms.

CT scans showed that some of these asymptomatic people had marks on their lungs called ground-glass opacity. This means, apparently, that the corona virus had caused internal damage but produced no symptoms.

I accept, of course, that the PCR test gives a significant percentage of false positive results.

The issue is how infectious are asymptomatic people? In some cases I think they must be shedding enough corona virus to transmit the disease.

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Will
Will
5 years ago

Fair play to Toby for publishing the piece by the London Doctor. Unfortunately, we are in a perfect storm because of the stupid decision to maintain the lockdown in the late spring/ summer. We are seeing exactly the scenario that Vallance predicted, allied to the scenario that Whitty predicted whereby any (negligible imho) suppressive effect of lockdown would be completely negated by demoralisation/ fatigue/ understandable non compliance. Neither of them factored in that a third of NHS staff would be absent because of the ridiculous test and trace system and the side effects of the vaccine. And they certainly won’t have factored in that crying wolf, with dodgy data, for months on end would exacerbate the non compliance. The lockdown has caused this dire situation, of that there is no doubt, and any lockdown now is not going to stop the spread of the virus, although it might suppress the virus on its downward trajectory as it did, pointlessly, in the summer, thereby kicking the problem down the road, into the winter. But, whether or not this lockdown is going to work, and I very much doubt it will, I support it out of solidarity with those decent NHS staff… Read more »

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I agree with you Will. Right from the very beginning it was made clear that the initial lockdown was to allow the NHS to gear up because lockdown would inevitably push the peak further down the road. Instead of taking the summer lull as an opportunity to build capacity, increase herd immunity and prepare people for the the inevitable winter uptick (vitamin D etc) the government created false hope then launched into an insane suppression strategy. Test and trace and false positives has resulted in huge numbers of NHS staff having to isolate unnecessarily and often repeatedly. People think we are experiencing a second or third wave but what this is now is the first wave with bells on. To mix metaphors, it’s the can the government kicked repeatedly down the road in the forlorn hope that the vaccine would ride to the rescue before the chickens came home to roost!!

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number 6
number 6
5 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

Yes the NHS is very sick, as is our world. They were infected by an insidious Virus that works by exploiting one of our basic Sins, that of Sloth. And where did this Virus come from? From a certain William Henry Gates III, the same one that is now playing Doctors and Nurses.   Remember the days of DOS, Windows 3, Windows 5, Microsoft Word and then Microsoft Office, well such well intentioned tools fell into the hands of Bureaucrats, and all of a sudden Management could retreat from the “Coal Face”, “Front Line”, “The Shop Floor”, – call it what you like – to behind a wall in a comfy office divorced from reality, beavering away producing impressive Power Point Presentations, Spread Sheets with detailed data base generated predictions, all whilst the unfortunate foot soldiers have to meet deadlines both financial and production based on purely theoretical outcomes. This is bad enough in manufacturing, but in a Behemoth like a government agency or the NHS it resembles a pathogen such as Rabies. Our NHS has been managed to meltdown while governments have squandered billions that should have been invested in Hospitals, Medical staff and equipment (think pipes that can carry… Read more »

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

“But, whether or not this lockdown is going to work, and I very much doubt it will, I support it out of solidarity with those decent NHS staff who are flogging their guts out”

I am confused. Elsewhere you’ve said trying to stop the virus is futile and makes matters worse, but you also say you support the lockdown. Doesn’t make sense to me.

You talk about non-compliance but from what I have seen that’s not the case – mask compliance is high, most people who can are working from home, almost all businesses that are forced to close have done so, and private socialising is down hugely – sure some are doing it but not many. I don’t think it is credible to say that non-compliance has made a significant difference.

The fact is that short of a complete shutdown, lockdowns are futile so supporting them is unhelpful.

Those NHS staff flogging their guts out hve signed up for that, and any difficulty they face is down to govt stupidity, incompetence, lack of planning, evil etc etc. I don’t see how supporting a lockdown helps them at all.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I can’t agree with you on the part about supporting it out of solidarity with some good people working hard given the damage it is causing and the futility of the policy.

Why make so many suffer for an empty gesture?

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

‘But, whether or not this lockdown is going to work, and I very much doubt it will, I support it out of solidarity with those decent NHS staff who are flogging their guts out………but right now, if it helps those people on the front line to know that the country is making a massive sacrifice to support them then that is what I will do.’

NO NO NO NO NO NO….

Sentimental hog wash! What sort of person under stress in their job would be helped by knowing the rest of the country suffering the misery of lockdown, businesses bankrupted, children denied education, suicides. Who is this selfish narcissist of whom you speak? Most NHS workers I know are sick of the lockdown effects themselves.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Spot on. I’ve never come home after a hard day at work and thought, ‘ah, if only everybody else was having a hard time, that would make me feel so much more energised’.

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