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by Conor Chaplin
12 January 2021 4:42 AM

Hancock Sets Out Vaccination Plan

Health Secretary Matt Hancock

The Government has published its ‘UK COVID-19 Vaccines Delivery Plan‘ and the Health Secretary gave a press conference alongside Professor Stephen Powis on Monday stating that 2.3 million people have been given at least one dose of a vaccine so far and explaining his plan to continue rolling out the biggest mass vaccination programme in history. The BBC reports:

The vaccine delivery plan says it is expected to take until spring to give a first dose to all 32 million people in the UK’s priority groups, including everyone over 55 and those who are clinically vulnerable.

Under the plan, the government has pledged to carry out at least two million vaccinations in England per week by the end of January, which it says will be made possible by rolling out jabs at 206 hospital sites, 50 vaccination centres and around 1,200 local vaccination sites. 

It also reiterates the government’s aim of offering vaccinations to around 15 million people in the UK – the over-70s, older care home residents and staff, frontline healthcare workers and the clinically extremely vulnerable – by mid-February.

According to Mr Hancock, two fifths of over-80s have now received their first dose, and almost a quarter of care home residents have received theirs.

Ministers have stopped short so far of introducing yet stricter measures, and Hancock ruled out scrapping support ‘bubbles’, though several newspapers have run fairly hysterical finger-wagging front pages:

A glaring Chris Whitty is pictured next to an instruction not to “stop for a chat” despite his having repeated yesterday on Radio 4 that fleeting outdoor contact was not a risk.

The Metropolitan Police commissioner Cressida Dick, meanwhile, has written in The Times:

It is preposterous to me that anyone could be unaware of our duty to do all we can to stop the spread of the virus. We have been clear that those who breach COVID-19 legislation are increasingly likely to face fines.

The article continues:

Officers are now stopping people on the street and requiring them to explain why they are outside. They will also routinely hand out fines to anyone at illegal gatherings. Enforcement was previously limited to the organisers.

Another force is using surveillance cameras to track down motorists breaching lockdown rules. Devon and Cornwall is deploying automatic number-plate recognition technology, which identifies vehicles on the roads, to monitor vehicle movements.

Despite the doom-laden tone from Number 10, the ZOE Covid Symptom Study App calculated that the R rate in London was 0.9 as recently as January 7th, with infections falling:

The R rate was calculated just barely higher at 1 for the rest of the UK:

On Yer Bike! Did PM’s Journey Contravene His Own Guidance?

Boris Johnson cycles past an aptly-positioned truck

The Prime Minister was accused of making a journey which wasn’t in the spirit of the Government’s guidance after being spotted cycling seven miles from Downing Street. The Evening Standard reports:

The Prime Minister was wearing his TfL hat and a face mask when he was seen cycling with his security detail in Stratford, east London, at around 2pm.

Official Government guidance on exercise says it should be limited to once a day and “you should not travel outside your local area”.

The park has been noticeably busy with families exercising and the PM is said to have been concerned by what he saw in the area.  

Lockdown sceptics will be less concerned by the length of his journey than the existence of such absurd guidance in the first place, although it did give the Health Secretary Matt Hancock an opportunity to clarify that:

“It is OK to go, if you went for a long walk, and ended up seven miles away from home – that is OK but you should stay local. You should not go from one side of the country to another potentially taking the virus with you.

“Remember one in three people who have the virus don’t know they have it because they have no symptoms and yet still pass it on.”

He added: “It is OK to go for a long walk or a cycle ride or exercise – but stay local.”

Steerpike commented in The Spectator:

The guidance on exercise says “you should not travel outside your local area”. So, what does the Prime Minister say? While there’s no official response, a Downing Street source confirmed that the Prime Minister was exercising — but failed to say whether he was driven there to exercise or had cycled the whole way. The former would likely be classed as a rule breach.

They did, however, voice the PM’s concern at the other people using the park at that time: “He did note how busy the park was and he commented on it at the meeting last night. He was concerned about if people were following the rules and was concerned after his cycle ride around the park.”

While going somewhere and then complaining about how many other people have done the same is an unwelcome trend of the pandemic, Mr S had hoped Johnson would know better. After all, if someone should have refrained from showing up there, surely it’s the person who lives seven miles away? 

The Daily Star’s front cover today

Covid, Hyper-Medicalisation, and Viral Interference

We are publishing a guest piece today by Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS, medical historian and former lecturer at the University of Swansea, as well as a Wellcome Trust University Award Fellow. Here is a short extract:

One of the puzzles in the Covid story is how different the effect of SARS-CoV-2 can be from person to person. If we accept the notion of ‘asymptomatic transmission’, then Covid is inconsequential for such a large number of apparently infected people that they notice no symptoms whatsoever, while others have symptoms so mild they are comparable to the common cold, yet a minority of infected people suffer very severe reactions and unfortunately sometimes lethal outcomes. This very wide variance in how individuals’ bodies react to the virus makes COVID-19 a most unusual illness. What follows are some speculative musings on potential factors influencing individual variance, in other words, asking the question: Have we missed something that could explain why some people fall very ill and even die, yet others don’t even know they’ve got it?

Besides individual disparity in reactions to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, there is of course the disparity in how regional variation affects mortality and severe illness. Contrary to most beliefs in an efficient health care system (including preventative care, hygiene, nutrition, immunisation programmes), whereby there should be less illness in those nations that have better and more accessible healthcare provisions, Covid actually seems to be less of a threat to poorer, economically weaker nations which had a lower case fatality rate (meaning fewer deaths per number of infected individuals) than economically stronger countries.
Demographics certainly play a role in this disparity, since older people are more likely to fall victim to Covid than younger, and economically wealthier countries have larger numbers of the old than poorer countries. But other factors, such as the former ‘hygiene hypothesis’, now refined as the ’Old Friends’ hypothesis, and the incidence of autoimmune disorders in higher-income countries have also been advanced. The hygiene hypothesis is well known and argues that the more ‘clean’ we have become, the less chance our immune systems have had to be ‘trained’ in how to ward off pathogens. Hyper-hygienic conditions, which have been advocated in most high-income countries, through things as basic as using anti-bacterial products for everything from chopping boards for food preparation to the now ubiquitous hand sanitisers, have in fact contributed to the lack of training in childhood for most Westerners’ immune systems. Lack of exposure to parasites and other pathogens, which would train the immune system, has been linked to impaired Type 1 interferon activity, which in turn has been linked with susceptibility to the SARS-CoV-2 virus (see Impaired type I interferon activity and inflammatory responses in severe COVID-19 patients). Paradoxically, then, the inhabitants of higher income countries are, despite enjoying overall better health outcomes, at greater risk of developing severe COVID-19 than those in lower-income nations.

Worth reading in full.

MP Explains His Vote Against Lockdown Restrictions – Faces Backlash

David Warburton, Member of Parliament for Somerton and Frome, whose email to one of his constituents explaining his refusal to vote for the tier system we published last month, has written an explanation on his website of his reasons for voting against lockdown again last Wednesday. Warburton has done his homework, and it’s a comprehensive argument. Here is an extract:

…I have concerns in several areas:

First, the numbers and how they are being reported. Yes, there is no doubt that the new evolving strains of the virus – though thankfully no more virulent – are more easily transmitted between individuals. But our increased rates of infection are more interesting. The mass scale of our PCR testing and self-reporting through the NHS app means that, for example, our case rate appears to be far higher than many European neighbours. And testing also creates some revealing anomalies: the virus seems to understand the soft border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, for example, crediting those to the north with a far higher rate of infection. Our mortality rate — dreadful though it is — remains much the same as others’. So either the false-positive incidence of our testing is giving us a bleak picture, or we appear more resilient to the worst effects of the virus, which is obviously unlikely.

Everyone who attends hospital is now tested – itself, of course, a terrifically important step. Those who test positive are reported statistically as hospital Covid patients, whether they were asymptomatic or not; whether they attended hospital for a broken ankle or regular cancer treatment. Naturally, when we then hear of hospitals managing thousands of Covid patients, such reporting will concern us all and lead the Government to seek to act.

Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking. Even to write about it — and especially to do so in terms of data and numbers — belittles and minimises the personal loss which we all feel. It is important to see, I think though, that excess deaths over the past year have not been statistically higher than the average for previous years. And the ONS reveals that, in terms of deaths per 100,000 of population, since 1993 ten previous years have had higher rates than 2020. But I also understand that, given the infection rates and the new strains, it is the predictions of future mortality which concerns the Government. They do not know what may come.

I will not dwell on the historic predictions of SAGE, but I must draw attention to the missing component in this thought process. At the end of the regulations before us yesterday was the bald admission that “No impact assessment has been prepared for these Regulations.”

That means that we were asked to vote, again, on restrictions which will have unknown effects, both positive and negative. We are not provided with evidence for the efficacy of the lockdown, other than our experience of the mixed results of previous lockdowns, and — crucially — we do not know what is the nature or the extent of the detrimental effects.

As I’ve said before, the ONS have estimated that the restrictions across 2020 will have resulted in 200,000 non-Covid excess deaths. Bristol University put the figure far higher. Whether or not these predictions have any more accuracy than SAGE’s own Covid predictions, these numbers are many times higher than those who tragically will have been lost to the virus.

Many of us have repeatedly asked for the data – a cost benefit analysis – which can allow us to make an informed decision. The crucial question we have to ask ourselves is what is the cost to lives, to livelihoods, to businesses, to mental health, suicides, to all non-Covid related heath. It’s imperative that these factors are weighed in the balance against the likely lives saved from those same restrictions.

Definitely worth reading in full.

Stop Press: A Twitter poll has been started by a local Labour Party activist asking whether people support David’s stance. If you use Twitter, you can make your voice heard here.

Stop Press 2: The Swedish physiologist Johan Hellström has published a historic mortality graph for no-lockdown Sweden up to and including 2020, and as you may expect, there isn’t much to see:

This study provides more detail on the comparison between Norway and Sweden, and also concludes that lockdowns do not explain the differences.


Stop Press 3: Yesterday, we reported on a lockdown enthusiast who has repented and joined the ranks of the lockdown sceptics. Today, we bring you another – New York Governor Andrew Cuomo!

We simply cannot stay closed until the vaccine hits critical mass. The cost is too high. We will have nothing left to open. We must reopen the economy, but we must do it smartly and safely.#SOTS2021

— Archive: Governor Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) January 11, 2021

What is Law and What is Guidance? Clarification from a QC

Chris Daw QC, author of Justice on Trial, spoke to Ian Collins at talkRADIO to give his legal expertise on the matter of what exactly police are and aren’t entitled to fine people for, after a few well-publicised instances of members of the public being questioned and even fined by over-zealous police officers.

Stop Press: The two women fined by Derbyshire Police for driving five miles to a local reservoir, whose cups of peppermint tea were described as a ‘picnic’ by the issuing officer, have received an apology and had their fines withdrawn.

A Reader’s Cancer Treatment

Barts Hospital

A Lockdown Sceptics reader has sent us her recent experience being treated for cancer in a private hospital through the NHS, as well as her bafflement at reports in the press about cancelled surgery.

You may be interested in my own recent experience of cancer treatment during this Covid crisis. I was diagnosed with cancer on December 30th following a biopsy on December 16th and advised to have a lumpectomy as initial treatment. This was at Barts NHS Trust. The operation took place on January 4th at a well-known London private hospital, which my surgeon explained was being used by Barts for such surgery during the pandemic. I won’t name the hospital, but as it is known for treating members of the Royal Family I doubt if its facilities usually come cheaply. I was shocked to be given such an early date for surgery, but my surgeon further explained that after January 5th Barts feared being ordered to suspend all such surgery. If this has indeed happened, I was very fortunate with the timing of my diagnosis and feel enormous sympathy for anyone whose surgery has now been delayed.

I was puzzled to see it reported today (the Times: “NHS attacks private hospitals for not cancelling operations”) that the NHS stopped using private hospitals for such surgery some months ago and that “NHS chiefs” were strongly critical of private hospitals for carrying out elective surgery during the present crisis (according to a “leaked” letter from senior NHS figures, including, supposedly, the head of Barts Health Trust!) The Times article states as fact that although the NHS is negotiating to use private hospitals again, this does not include any of the main London private hospitals, since the NHS reportedly balked at their high costs. This is clearly wrong from my own experience and makes me wonder if such “leaks” are inspired by political motives.

The Guardian reports that Barts NHS Trust has suspended all such surgery since December 23rd:

People with advanced cancer have had their urgent surgery cancelled at a leading London hospital trust that is treating the largest number of Covid patients in the NHS.

Patients who were due to undergo an operation to treat their disease at Barts Health NHS trust have been told the pressures the resurgent COVID-19 is putting hospitals under was to blame.

The procedures involved are known in the NHS as “red flag” cancer cases and are classed by the NHS as “priority two” surgery, which means they should be done within 28 days of the decision to operate. Any delay risks the patient’s disease spreading or becoming inoperable.

Barts is the second big hospital trust in London known to have cancelled operations as a result of the strain on the NHS, which led to the UK’s four Chief Medical Officers issuing an unprecedented warning last week that parts of the service were close to collapse.

Staff in Barts’ surgical division approached the Guardian to disclose that cancellations had been happening there since before Christmas after reading a statement in the Observer by Sir David Sloman, the NHS’s Regional Director for the capital, that “urgent cancer surgery is not being cancelled in London”.

One member of staff said last week: “This [statement] is not true. At the Royal London Hospital we have not been able to do any non-emergency surgery since December 23rd. We have not done any cancer surgery, except emergency procedures, since then. [There is] no clarity yet on when or where we can restart our elective surgery.”

Furthermore, The Times reports:

NHS chiefs have criticised private hospitals and doctors in London for performing non-urgent operations despite the “unthinkable pressures” of the pandemic.

A letter leaked to HSJ, the health service journal, asked trusts in the capital “not to support” private work for at least a month.

London’s NHS hospitals have cancelled almost all planned care. At least two have postponed urgent cancer surgery as figures show that treatment levels are failing to keep pace with demand. The NHS has been trying to negotiate use of the capital’s private hospitals for cancer patients.

Our reader is right to be confused.

Was I Just Witness to a Covid Death?

We are reproducing in full this account kindly contributed by Thomas Harrington, Professor of Iberian Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT, USA of a tragic occurrence last week, which he firmly attributes to the Covid restrictions.

Friday night at 4:45 in the morning my partner, K and I awoke to the flashing lights of police and medical teams outside the house where we are currently staying. It was accompanied by murmured conversations between the uniformed people and one of the men who stays with our landlord, who lives in an adjacent part of the same building. 

Tired and not wanting to intrude on the lives of people we knew, but not intimately, we went back to sleep, hoping that nothing really transcendent had occurred. 

By mid-morning those hopes were thoroughly dashed when K returned to our place ashen-faced to tell me that Pete, our 60 year-old weight-lifting landlord, who could have passed for a robust 45, was dead, quite probably by suicide. We just sat there numb for a very, very long time. 

Over the last few months while living in the in-law apartment of his house, K, a woman who naturally invites emotional openness in others, had come to know Pete fairly well. And on my more or less extended visits to the little apartment, I had engaged with him as well. He was extremely bright and gentle, a yacht captain by trade and a romantic adventurer by predilection, who talked longingly and wistfully of lost loves and of business deals gone bad. Speaking to his best friend, Dave, yesterday after the tragedy, we were both confirmed in our suspicion that he was, in many ways, his own worst enemy. 

But a message that came across just as strongly, if not stronger, was that Pete was deeply loved and supported by a network of friends who had remained true to him, and they to him, over a half a century. As Dave explained they had all seen each other through difficult moments, ratifying their support for each other, at times,  through, among other things,  the lending of not insignificant sums of money. 

Indeed, as we spoke, just around the corner in the gorgeous, if decadently unkempt, tropical back yard of the house with its irregularly-shaped pool, the members of that support-crew were sitting together drinking beer while crying and laughing about their friend. This once grand property had, in effect, been their clubhouse, the place was where they had reaffirmed their friendship over and again during 50 years (Pete grew up in the house and had inherited it from his parents) with what he and they, and the women in their lives, liked to call Funday Sundays. 

But over the last several months, that vital social lifeline, along with the possibilities of work in the boating industry, had been, if not wholly severed, severely weakened by the social restrictions imposed by the “fight against Covid”.  

Pete had fallen into a very deep depression,  about which he had spoken pretty openly about with K. Last week, he told her he had finally gone to a mental health professional for  help. 

But last Friday, night, it seems, he decided to end things. As a tragedy, this story requires no adornment. 

But I nonetheless less feel compelled to ask all those out there currently justifying draconian reductions of basic human liberties, and worse yet, human customs of love and caring, on the basis of inflated ‘case’ numbers spawned by a deeply flawed PCR test, as well as a 0.23% IFR, if they might be willing to admit that Pete was also a real Covid fatality? 

And more fundamentally, I’d like to ask all those that constantly tell us about the grave threat posed by Covid — with its 99.77% survival rate and victim cohort tilted overwhelmingly to those at or beyond their normal level of life expectancy — if, after playing profligately and abusively with the threat of death, they have any empathy left for the very real and concrete terminations of life, catalyzed, if not caused, by their serial exaggerations. 

Or do they simply consider such thoughts to be another thing to be mentally “deplatformed”, along with all of those other things that don’t neatly affirm the media’s dominant narrative?

Does Pheasant Shooting Count as Exercise?

A reader got in touch after receiving the following email from Abel & Cole, the organic food delivery company:

Hello there, I’m just getting in touch about the Wild Pheasant on your order. I’m afraid we aren’t able to include the pack in the box as planned this week. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, our supplier can’t go out to shoot the game and we don’t have any stock left in at the moment. As the lockdown is due to last roughly until the end of shooting season this year, we might not be able to bring it back again until next season. I’m really sorry for the disappointment.

In fact, there’s nothing to stop Abel & Cole’s supplier from shooting pheasant. You are still allowed to shoot in England, provided you only do it once a day and it’s part of your daily exercise. The British Association for Shooting and Conservation has the details:

In light of the government providing greater clarity on its COVID-19 guidance and regulations, BASC is advising that outdoor shooting activities as a form of exercise are permissible once per day in England during the national lockdown, subject to two conditions.

1. You should only travel locally to shoot which is to “stay local in the village, town, or part of the city where you live” as defined in government guidance.

2. When shooting you should only meet with people you live with, your support bubble; or when on your own, with one person from another household.

If any shooting readers can supply Abel & Cole with a brace or two, please contact us here. We’ll put you in touch.

Round-up

  • “In Defence of Lockdown Sceptics” – Toby’s article, which appeared on this website on Friday, has been reprinted in the Critic
  • “Lockdown sceptics are society’s gadflies” — Laura Dodsworth has also written a defence of lockdown scepticism for the Critic
  • “Gym lockdown costing NHS £31m a month” — Tom Walker in exerciseprofessionals points out the folly of short-termism in the shutting down of gyms, creating future burdens on the health service
  • “We’ve lost sight of how much a life is worth” — Ed Conway in The Times on the well-established concept of Quality-Adjusted Life Years (QALYS) and how it has gone out the window during the COVID-19 crisis
  • “COVID Hypocrisy: Policymakers breaking their own rules” — A useful compendium of reports, mapped geographically, of American lawmakers failing to adhere to their own edicts
  • Ivor Cummins on the Delingpod — James Delingpole and Ivor have a deep-dive conversation into many aspects of the Covid issue
  • “Joe Biden’s pork-barrel identity politics” — Fraser Myers in spiked taking the President Elect to task for his plans to woke-ify his ‘build back better’ programme
  • “A New Year’s Nightmare: COVID-19 Litigation Piling Up” — Ashley Cullins in The Hollywood Reporter on the backlog of insurance claims by businesses, and other legal headaches
  • “When we put faith in science we turn science into religion” — Andrew Mahon in the Post Millennial on the religious undertones of the unswerving faith in the scientific priestly class
  • “NHS is ‘over-prioritising’ the virus” — NHS Consultant Dr Clare Turnbull speaks out about the effect on cancer treatment while the health service concentrates solely on Covid patients, the Daily Mail reports
  • “With no lockdown or mask mandate, Florida has roughly same hospitalization level as 2018 flu season” — David Horowitz in the Blaze on the Sunshine State’s bucking of the trend
  • “Our analysis of lockdown and Covid-fascism” — A site called Left Lockdown Sceptics has been launched, with the organisers describing themselves as a group of socialists who oppose lockdown. This is their inaugural piece
  • “Enough of this governmental scapegoating of the public for Covid transmission” — Ross Clark in the Telegraph giving the Government both barrels
  • “The Abuse of Science in the Corona Crisis” — Swiss Professor of Philosophy of Science Michael Esfeld’s piece for the AIER blog
  • “Effects of mask-wearing on the inhalability and deposition of airborne SARS-CoV-2 aerosols in human upper airway” — Another detailed study, in Physics of Fluids, about the relative ineffectiveness of even surgical mask-wearing
  • “Eight Gorillas test positive for coronavirus at San Diego Zoo” — The list of flora and fauna to apparently contract the virus grows
  • “Rise in the incidence of abusive head trauma during the COVID-19 pandemic” — a whopping 1493% increase, reports the British Medical Journal
  • “Does Vitamin D combat Covid?” — Mattha Busby in The Guardian reviews the evidence on Vitamin D
  • Peter Hitchens’ conversation with Mike Graham — talkRADIO’s weekly slot with the arch-sceptic

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Drinking in the Day” by Elise LeGrow, “Happenin’ All Over Again” by Lonnie Gordon and “Boris Johnson a Big Bumbahole” by Machyo.

Boris Johnson a BIG BUMBAHOLE 🤣 pic.twitter.com/IyZoZt2re4

— itsmachyo 🇯🇲 (@mxchyo) January 3, 2021

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you Christopher F. Rufo’s report “Radicals in the Classroom” in City Journal about the hardcore Critical Race Theory indoctrination occurring in the San Diego Unified School District’s new mandatory training sessions for teachers.

The San Diego Unified School District has been radicalized. In recent months, the district has announced mandatory diversity training for teachers, added a new “ethnic studies” curriculum focused on racial grievance, and even abolished the requirement to turn in homework on time – all in the name of becoming, in the words of school board member Richard Barrera, “an anti-racist school district.”

Last month, I reported on one of these training sessions, focused on “white privilege,” in which white teachers were accused of being colonisers on stolen Native American land and told “you are racist” and “you are upholding racist ideas, structures, and policies”. The trainers demanded that the teachers “confront and examine [their] white privilege”, “acknowledge when [they] feel white fragility”, and “teach others to see their privilege”. After the story caused an uproar, school officials defended the training as a form of “racial healing”.

Phrases such as “white privilege” and “white fragility” will be familiar to anyone who has paid attention to the crazier fringes of the woke cult recently, although one of the guest speakers hired by San Diego Unified took the hyperbole to a whole new level.

According to new whistleblower documents, San Diego Unified held an even more radical training program featuring a speaker who believes American schools are guilty of the “spirit murdering of Black children”. The school district hired Bettina Love, a critical race theorist who believes that children learn better from teachers of the same race, for the keynote address at the August Principal Institute and for an additional district-wide training on how to “challenge the oppressive practices that live within the systems and structures of school organizations”.

Though the school district explicitly forbade attendees from recording the session, one whistleblower took detailed notes of the speech and captured screenshots of the presentation. According to these notes, Love began her presentation by claiming that “racism runs deep” in the United States and that blacks alone “know who America really is”. She argued that public schools in particular “don’t see [blacks] as human”, are guilty of systemic “anti-Blackness”, and “spirit murder babies” in the education system.

Ms Love is associated with the Abolitionist Teaching Network, whose website makes for an interesting browse.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Twitter’s stock has plunged after the social media platform banned Donald Trump.

Twitter’s stock price tumbled Monday as investors appeared to balk at the social network’s decision to ban President Trump from posting.

Shares in the San Francisco-based company tumbled as much as 12% to $45.17 in the first trading session after it booted Trump from the platform on Friday, saying his account posed a “risk of further incitement of violence” after his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday.

The stock pared the losses through the morning and fell 6.4% to close at $48.18.

Twitter’s move against the outgoing president – whose account had more than 88 million followers – was the first permanent suspension for a head of state, and it’s likely to spark furious debate about the role tech companies play in regulating speech.

It may also hurt Twitter’s user base as Trump supporters and right-wing activists pledge to boycott the company’s blockbuster decision.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

Stop Press: A reader has sent us this article in the Sydney Morning Herald from 17 years ago, written during the SARS epidemic.

Health authorities have warned that surgical masks may not be an effective protection against the virus.

“Those masks are only effective so long as they are dry,” said Professor Yvonne Cossart of the Department of Infectious Diseases at the University of Sydney. 

“As soon as they become saturated with the moisture in your breath they stop doing their job and pass on the droplets.”

Professor Cossart said that could take as little as 15 or 20 minutes, after which the mask would need to be changed. But those warnings haven’t stopped people snapping up the masks, with retailers reporting they are having trouble keeping up with demand.

The article continues:

John Bell from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, who owns a pharmacy in Woollahra, Sydney, said mask supplies were running low.

“At the moment we don’t have any because we haven’t been able to get any in the last few days,” Mr Bell said. “In the early stages it was unbelievable; we’d get people coming in all the time.”

Mr Bell agreed with Professor Cossart’s assessment regarding the effectiveness of the masks.

“I think they’re of marginal benefit,” he said. “In a way they give some comfort to people who think they’re doing as much as they can do to prevent the infection.”

The reader who drew our attention to the piece commented:

The first line sums it up – “Retailers who cash in on community fears about SARS by exaggerating the health benefits of surgical masks could face fines of up to $110,000.”

Fast forward 17 years, and currently three Australian states have mask mandates in place, with fines of $200 for non-compliance. Last time I checked (and I do look out for these things) there has been no new significant evidence brought to light since 2003 that general public mask wearing has any effect whatsoever on community transmission of the sort of virus which causes COVID. The absurdity of Australia’s mask mandates is of course compounded by the almost complete absence of COVID in the general community at this time.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press 2: Both Morrisons and Sainsbury’s have announced that they will ban anyone who does not wear a mask from entering their shops, reports the BBC. The Government has stated that it is not the responsibility of retailers to enforce the rules, but that of the police, who have also said they don’t intend to enforce mask-wearing in supermarkets.

Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.

From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.

Sainsbury’s also said it would challenge those not wearing a mask or who were shopping in groups.

The announcements come amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.

Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said the Government is “concerned” shops are not enforcing rules strictly enough.

“Ultimately, the most important thing to do now is to make sure that actually enforcement – and of course the compliance with the rules – when people are going into supermarkets are being adhered to,” Mr Zahawi told Sky News.

“We need to make sure people actually wear masks and follow the one-way system,” he said.

The Union of Shop, Distributive, and Allied Workers (USDAW) tweeted the following hand-wringing statement:

Key retail workers deal with hundreds of customers every day as they perform their essential duties. With the #Covid situation developing rapidly, we’re calling for retail workers and delivery drivers to get priority access to vaccinations and mass testing.

We also expect retailers to work with us, urgently, to produce new risk assessments. The new strain of Covid puts our members at increased risk of catching the virus. They need every possible protection, including the following steps:

Limits on customer numbers – back to the earlier levels if necessary – with trained security staff to manage queues. Once inside the store, customers should follow clearly highlighted one-way systems and 2m social distancing markers.

As Ivor Cummins has pointed out on numerous occasions though, and does so again in his recent conversation with James Delingpole on the Delingpod, shop workers worked for four months at the beginning of the pandemic with no masks and experienced no great wave of deaths over and above the rest of the population, even though they encountered the general public every day.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

On this week’s episode of London Calling, Toby’s weekly podcast with James Delingpole, they try to avoid getting into an argument about the Great Reset (he’s a believer, Toby’s not) and stick to books and TV shows. But they cannot avoid talking about Trump’s Twitter ban and Big Tech censorship more generally.

Listen to the podcast here and subscribe to it on iTunes here.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago

Wooo hooo!!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

Hmm Hope you don’t stay up all night just to do that

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Not 11 pm here yet still early!

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago

Australia is forcing masks and lockdowns on everyone for the few cases they have. Germany has stores closed, everyone is getting rushed vaccines foisted off on them for what is basically a severe cold, what you guys in the UK are experiencing is nothing short of insanity, and Big Tech is censoring everyone that questions the biggest election fraud in history. I feel like I’m in some dystopian nightmare.
Someone please wake me!!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

You are in a dystopian nightmare unfortunately looks like you’re fully AWAKE!

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

😩😫😭

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

There’s no comfort in a lie sorry. 😀

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Agreed, I have always lived by this and therefore was always a mixed bag amongst my friends. One of them once said to a fame ale friend of mine who had boyfriend issues ( many,many years ago) and she asked him if she should ask me for advice: Talk to him if you want to hear the truth, but you might not want to hear what he will tell you !

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

It’s a daymare and a nightmare.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

I’m afraid I sleep like a log every night.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

a “dusk ’til dawn” mare horror show. Bedauerlicherweise.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

That would be interesting. If we had no msm, no twitter and especially no poxy bbc, how would you know anything was wrong. As someone was saying on YouTube if this was a pandemic you could see it for yourself. You would all know of people who had died, you would see people out and about ill. Loads of your friends would be off work ill. A&E would be overflowing and every ward would be full up. Sorry Mr handjob you are a lying prick.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

Carrington Event of 1859.
Not mythical and a tad more inconvenient these days.

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Hoppy Uniatz
Hoppy Uniatz
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

“It’s a special kind of nightmare.. the kind that happens when you’re awake.”

http://viz.co.uk/015_bottom_inspectors/

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago

A reckoning, you say?

The Reckoning – YouTube

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

Hopefully their view of the police has changed too, Police no longer represent Law & Order but Control & Domination & that was before covid. When police conduct is worse than the criminals questions need to be asked. Like the unnecessary man handling, use of handcuffs, escalation of violence at slightest none compliance to unlawful commands & then there’s the theft (FPN’s) extortion with menace & provocation of innocent citizens into dubious arrests & charges. Respect for the law. There needs to be reform starting with training, training in de-escalation not brute force. The politicisation of police is another paragraph.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

There is certainly a sea change going on re police it seems and whether they (and our opinion of them) will ever go back to normal is open for debate. I freely admit that I’m someone who has gone through life confidently – knowing the police are there for me (albeit opinion duly revised noticeably considering their low hit rate for catching criminals). But to have to revise it yet further – and know the fact that I’m obviously female/obviously British/obviously middle-class and therefore they are obviously there for my benefit – and they seem to have forgotten that fact – is proving rather of a surprise to me. In fact, if anything, to know they seem to be more likely to pick on women than men and definitely more likely to pick on an obviously normal/obviously law-abiding person like myself than to head for the criminals they are supposed to be there for dealing with is taking some getting my head round.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

I agree with you – the indigenous middle classes are easier to pick on knowing they would submit easily to ridiculous diktats by low intelligence plods. They don’t dare approach the more challenging parts of the city and society. They are nothing but feeble cowards on the whole.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I mentioned here a few days’ ago that I thought that the UK police was an improvement from the police in my home country who aren’t trusted by the public and are seen as crooks in uniform. How wrong I was!

2020-2021 have exposed the ugly face of the police and their protestations of “cuts”, “poverty” and “racism” as their excuse for inability to solve crimes such as grooming gangs, assault, theft, knife crime, anti-social behaviour, domestic violence, crimes against BAME women has been exposed as lies given how quick they are to harass old people and women for the “sin” on going out and having a coffee or sitting on a park bench.

The line has been crossed and the police should not be surprised if the public stop treating them with respect and stop engaging with them. Not to mention being told to take a hike if they’re raising funds for their charities.

Never Again.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The police have always been obnoxious if your the wrong age, wrong class, wrong colour, wrong sex, poor & any combination of the above.

I grew up on a poor working class council estate & they would persecute any young working class male walking minding his own business.

But now they’ve taken that attitude to a whole new level, intimidation simply to provoke a response & make spurious charges, its all about control now & their training has become excessively violent.

I’ve never been in trouble with the law, don;t think i’ve even seen the inside of court in my 55 years on this planet. But I don’t trust police, they’re dishonest, violent & corrupt. Say nothing to them.

You can’t even say they do a difficult job, trolling twitter & Facebook for pronoun crimes isn’t hardwork.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Exactly. My distrust of the police was honed by growing up and living in a Third World country. Doesn’t matter wherever you are in the world, the police are not your friend and not to be trusted.

You can’t even say they do a difficult job, trolling twitter & Facebook for pronoun crimes isn’t hardwork.

They would rather go after “pretend” crimes to show that they’re still working. But the public ain’t stupid, they know this isn’t work.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I was born & grew up in a country not far from Thailand and yep, the police there are never trusted and are always avoided like the plague.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Mark Steyn summed up the UK police:

“ ‘In Britain, everything is policed except crime’”

“It has become very apparent that British policemen are very aggressive when dealing with the passive, and very passive when dealing with the aggressive.”

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Nymeria
Nymeria
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Another anti-police here too. Worked for the with/for them for 22 years and was previously very pro-police. No more.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Brits have become very German.
Not good.
A German.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

You may recall my worrying post yesterday of mortality in the local NHS Region rocketing 50% overnight ?
I am pleased to report that mortality has since plummeted with none of the 1.8m people in the region sadlidying of the Covid yesterday. Are we saved yet ?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

One of the follies of this virus hoo-haa has been the rush to supply instant statistics and the day to day variables that then ensue. There is a reason the ONS take 10 – 14 days to issue the total registered death figures, because they are correct and properly compiled.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Local Live (mirror group news) provide these daily reports usually with an alarming headline followed by a boring list of places with cases. Only at the very end do they give the normally very low mortality.

Indeed the ONS has been excellent throughout although I gather they are now suppressing some of the stats that they used to produce.
Has overall mortality for 2020 been provided yet ?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

YES! Great news I have just burnt my face mask.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Surely, if the very idea of wearing a face nappy makes your blood boil, you must be medically exempt?

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sam club
sam club
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

i told the store manager it distresses me. he still said have to wear a mask.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Hancock has no shame, just hours after being humiliated by the withdrawal by Derbyshire police of the fine on two women for having a coffee ‘picnic’ he defies joint cabinet responsibility by backing supermarkets who take it upon themselves to bar unmasked shoppers.

20210112_045738.jpg
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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

If there’s any justice in this world – Hancock catches something/anything Very Nasty and that’s the last we see of him #prettyplease.

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dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

I keep hoping…

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They’re trying to get #BoycottMorrisons trending on Twitter. Makes you wonder if these supermarkets have not learned especially after Asda was nearly taken to court over harassing a man with dementia because he wasn’t wearing a mask.

My only wish now is that Hancock gets his just desserts and Morrisons gets sued for discrimination and harassment.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Are they operating under coercion?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Its easy really Mr Handjob just give me the evidence that masks have stopped transmission. Show me conclusive proof of how an old t-shirt made into a face covering prevents the spread of a micro virus. Show me the evidence of why after two months of strict lockdown your cases are still increasing. These are your metrics and they keep failing. So your policies have done what, the NHS is two weeks away from being overwhelmed according to twatty, we have one of the worse death rates in Europe, cases are rising out of control (again using your published figure’s) and all of this with the whole country locked under house arrest. So explain to me in what way any of this can be called a successful strategy? And why you still have a job? After 10 months of this shit, at what point does someone with average intelligence say, do you know what, this might not be working, do we have another plan?

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Hattie
Hattie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

How can he say that when the government guidelines clearly state exemptions and that no documentation of proof is necessary.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

Quick review of zero evidence for mask efficacy:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/06/coronavirus-fact-check-6-does-wearing-a-mask-do-anything/

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

The Health and Safety Executive proved masks totally ineffective against viruses in 2008. The government know masks are useless. http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Dear Aunt Sally.

I am worried that I might be in an abusive relationship that might amount to Coercive Control.
I am only allowed out of the house once a day, I am not allowed to socialise with my friends or even see relatives. Recently I have been told not to stop and chat to people on the street.
I am forced to work from home but this is impossible because I have three children to care for which my partner refuses to allow to go to school.
I tried to voice my concerns to the local PCSO but he just yelled at me to get back in the house.
I have e-mailed my MP but he does not reply, my GP is only responding to requests for flu and Covid vaccinations.
My partner has recently relented somewhat in allowing the kids to use the local playground but I feel it likely that he will spitefully stop that again.

Desperate
Tunbridge Wells.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Least your MP replied. When I emailed Ian Blackford MP, subject header ‘SOS’, regarding my abusive relationship with Chairman Nicola Sturg-un, he ignored me.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Dear Desperate

The situation you describe is perfectly normal and you are a criminal for daring to complain about it. You are guilty of crimethink for even daring to think it isn’t normal.

Go carefully. You are on the List.

Aunt Sally

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Blame ConstantBees, they started it.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

PM’s concern at the other people using the park

That’s the point these comfortably entitled liberals with nice big gardens fancy pads in the city & 2nd homes in the country who have ignored the housing crisis in this country for decades.

Have no concept of how many people live in cramped accommodation, maybe a pokey little flat, perhaps a bedsit or even B&B. imagine being trapped in that for months wouldn’t you want some fresh air? Where would you go to get it, the local park? & if people aren’t at work no wonder you see people in the park!

Not everyone lives in a roomy detached house in the country with a large garden & few neighbours, i’m one of the lucky ones, one of my biggest nightmares is living in a cramped ex council flat, these people have my greatest sympathy.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

PMs concern at OTHER PEOPLE
using the park.
Something similar occured on BBC R4 news yesterday morning. A reporter was interviewing people on a London street about whether they thought lockdown was being policed rigorously enough.

A woman said disapprovingly
‘Well just look around you, all these people out and about as though there was no lockdown’

The irony escaped both her and the interviewer.

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danny
danny
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I hear that all the time.
“I went to the park yesterday and it was heaving. Honestly, no wonder the R rate is up”.
Same goes for that London official this week who demanded we all stay home, tweeted from her holiday in the Caribbean, or Piers Morgan over Xmas.
Boris riding his bike (complete with security detail by the way) through a park while commenting disparagingly on people being in the park is just part of a modern phenomenon of cognitive dissonance that seems very specific to Covid.
Even the very notion of “don’t be selfish, stay home” is predicated on thousands of people from rubbish collectors, to Netflix technicians to supermarket workers, going out to work so that you can angrily demand we all stay home.
Lockdown, presenting itself as a selfless act, is the most self centred time imaginable.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The last copy of the Telegraph that I bought in late March had an excellent cartoon.
Two metropolitan types are lounging by the pool in their spacious garden while their children play tennis.
In the background are three tower blocks with manyhued persons craning out of windows and on crowded balconies.

Mr M reads from his paper ‘I say Lucinda there is a terrible story about thousands of people invading Brockwell Park over the weekend’.

Mrs M ‘some people can be so selfish dahling’.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

We do need to call them on it – re any time one of those Covid hypocrites says it directly to us.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Drives me mad when I’m stuck in a traffic jam. I always wonder why the other drivers are on the road and why they can’t take public transport/walk or just not travel at all .

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I agree, all those other dreadful drivers are just so selfish.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

especially on Sunday

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Our local fb grumbled site is full of people complaining that there were too many people in the supermarket- not including them obviously!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This is a war against inalienable rights and basic intelligence.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

yes and imagine being there with CHILDREN, that must be one of the lower circles of hell; domestic violence and child abuse can be the only possible result, encompassing people who love their chlldren deeply and in normal circumstances would have managed to be good parents

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

That ties in nicely with Priti Patel’s “Stay local, save lives” tweet. Which went down like a lead balloon and was hammered mercilessly including yours truly who wrote this:

This stay local, save lives is wearing thin now.

It’s OK if you live in a beautiful area with a lovely house, garden & green space. Not OK for those in bad areas, small flat, no garden, no green space.

RESIGN NOW!!!

And its not just tone deaf politicians, journalists, academics and slebs who don’t get this but the hordes of lockdownistas who think that lockdown is lovely and allows them to save money commuting not realising that not everyone has their good fortune of lovely homes in lovely areas, green spaces, well stocked high streets with chi-chi cafes and butchers. I live in one of those not so good areas where the lack of green spaces, decent shops and anti-social behaviour rampant has led to my mental health taking a hammering during the first lockdown.

That’s why I’ve snubbed “well meaning” family and friends who still continue to shed crocodile tears. Now that push has come to shove, I’ve seen them for who they truly are.

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The poison pygmy

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The other thing I notice is that all these Covidians are not just comfortable financially and practically but socially too. They are almost always married with kids. They have no concept of what it might be like to be stuck inside 24/7 alone or with landlord/relatives/housemates that you don’t like.
These people have also been forced to put their social lives on hold so there’s been no hope for people who want to make new friends/relationships.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Lockdown certainly hasn’t been good for my mental health, which was poor even before the pandemic!

Doesn’t help that I’m a 40-year old stuck living with overprotective parents: my poor mother (frazzled by caring for an autistic 32-year old daughter with the mental ability of a 6-year old, and whose husband suffered a major stroke 9 years ago) threatened (back in 2014) to commit suicide if I ever moved out! (And then who would care for my sister?)

The fact that (since my dad’s stroke) I’m the only driver in the house, and perhaps the only person in the household capable of giving my mother a half-decent conversation, may also be part of it.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Correction you do not live with an overprotective parent , you live with an abuser. Lets call a spade a spade shall we. As somebody who suffered emotional and psychical abuse in my childhood ( one which my parents still expalin by the fact my mother had a mental health issue) this is emotional blackmail to a 100th degree. My mother did that repeatedly (still try’s) and the consequences of this were that I left a very ,very prestigious university in year 3 to join the Army and escaped to Afghanistan. Even a war zone felt more liberating than being around her! You are in a bad place , I understand that and in a very distressing situation but let me tell you something, this will NEVER STOP!! There will always be a reason and she is stopping you from living your life. Do what you will but you are wasting your life and her well being is not your responsibility , neither is the well being of your sister . It might be if she tops herself, but what will that change plus you can than cross that bridge? She is a bully, a coward and a selfish bitch… Read more »

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Exactly….they are all smug bastards more or less without exception in my experience. They are mostly left wing too and claim to care about the poor and under privileged. They have been found out.

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Carlo Emilian
Carlo Emilian
5 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

Of the champagne socialist type who probably live in nice houses. James O’ Brien of LBC sums them up.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Until early last year you had educational experts decrying the practice of shoving an iPad or mobile phone in front of a child. Now where are they?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

In kindergarten surfing the web.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

In my day we played with building blocks.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

On furlough.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I agree with you. The unselfconscious arrogance of Bojo and his followers is worthy of an Eisenstein film.

You can imagine the scene: Prince Boris rides his bicycle into the park. He stops, stares disapprovingly at the lower orders socialising in what he clearly believes should be open space for his own exclusive use.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

More like Boris Godunov and if he isn’t careful he’s about to unleash a Time of Troubles.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Boris Godunov has some redeeming features. Even a capacity for sincere repentance. There is a genuine greatness to him.

Johnson is more like some fat fatuous spoilt princess.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Agree. And Boris Godunov did manage to rule decently but the same can’t be said for Johnson.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

You forgot Princess N N.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

“what he clearly believes should be open space for his own exclusive use”

Isn’t that what Bill Gates wants as well. The vaccines should do the trick.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Ah if they weren’t at home just think of all that propaganda they would miss.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

Latoya Lewis – It’s My Time(to be free)

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Sorry, it’s got to be one from todays suggestions

Boris Johnson is a BIG BUMBAHOLE

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Is that a rule or just guidance, coz i’m not to good with rules.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Bumbling Boris.

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jos
jos
5 years ago

At the BBC briefing yesterday (yes I watched it – having studied statement analysis I find it interesting to spot the areas of stress in the speeches) Hancock said the vaccines will prevent people getting covid – isn’t that a contradiction of what was previously said – that they only reduce the symptoms? Shouldn’t the Health Secretary know this as it is a significant difference and, if true, might encourage some sceptics to roll up their sleeves (not this one) – surely we need to know..

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

As per the Solzhenitsyn quote, he lies, we know he lies, he knows we know he lies yet still he lies.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

Porton Down should be reporting this week on whether vaccines can stop transmission. Not unless Hancock has got an advance report?

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago

Whitty gets ever crazier claiming people chatting outside are spreading the disease. I’ve only heard one single anecdotal report of anyone catching the virus by chatting outside and that was in China. I’ve a friend who is a GP who said they loved chatting to folk on their daily walks so even medical people think it a safe thing to do.

Doesn’t stupid Whitty realise people go crazy with no social contact at all? Then if people are banned from doing something reasonable and safe, they will mix more in indoor settings, maybe a tiny poorly ventilated flat where infections spread easily.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Plenty of people, especially young men, are passing the time visiting each other
in their homes.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A few people I know who use Tinder, are still very busy, even if it’s a bit clandestine, guess it adds to the fun. Good for them.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Talking banned.
Next: Breathing.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

As Tom Lehrer once sang;

If you visit American City
You will find it very pretty
Just two things of which you must beware
Don’t drink the water and don’t breathe the air

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Pollution, pollution …

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Wear a gas mask and a veil
Then you can breathe
S’long as you don’t inhale!

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Hence, masks! Just amend the ‘rules’ to stipulate a specification, such as an inch thick and/or made of cling film. Cue polling to show 98percent support.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

The health tyrants remind me of a teenager so obsessed with their computer game that they cannot be dragged away from the key board to eat or sleep or wash. The Covid thing has become a big game obsession with them and nothing matters except hitting the maximum score and they are deaf and blind to anything that distracts them from their megalomaniac obsession. This has come at a time when our political leaders are so appallingly bad that there is no management of these tyrants who now rule our lives.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

They treat us as if we are just pixels in a video sim game where you can remove anything you like without consequences.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Oh so true. They are truly drunk on the power now.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

The collaborators and sheep handed this power to em.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

40 Proof KoolAid. Goes down easily, packa a punch. Incapacitates feeble brain cells.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Mediocrity.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

“Doesn’t stupid Whitty realise people go crazy with no social contact at all? “

Of course he does. It will part of the plan.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

I don’t think Whitty is very qualified to talk about social contact. He doesn’t look as though he’s ever entertained the idea.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

I wouldn’t take Whitty seriously and I read somewhere that the vast majority in the scientific community don’t really rate him either.

He seems to have a very “autistic” (sorry for the lack of a better term) view of people and fails to account that humans are social creatures. Much like the vast majority of the animal kingdom.

This is Psychology 101 and Basic Zoology that even science morons like myself know. How he could not know this is baffling.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I have a contact with someone in the profession who knows Whitty. He has told me his view ……………

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Let me guess, it wasn’t very complimentary…….

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Well …..

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think it was Yeadon that said doctors that are good go into practice or become surgeons. Crap doctors go work for the government. Its his season in the sun. Look at me! You do realise when the shit hits the fan the politicians will dump you and wipe their hands of knowledge of any blame in this. Hope you are keeping copies of all these meetings son!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Twit Whitty.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

I think its simply so people Don’t exchange views and have that “so what do you think of this lockdown” conversation?

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Sceptic Nurse
Sceptic Nurse
5 years ago

From time to time I like to look up official NHS England mortality data to offer some perspective to balance the “case numbers” we see on the news. This is data of deaths in hospitals in England, so it does not include nursing home deaths or deaths at home (but since covid deaths are due to slowly progressing shortness of breath, then I do not expect many young people died at home from covid, it would be in hospital).

Since the start of the pandemic, until 31st Dec 2020, out of a population of 56 million people, there has been only –
394 deaths of people under 60 without pre-existing conditions
3338 deaths of people under 60 with pre-existing conditions
So that’s a TOTAL of 3732 deaths of all people under 60 (both with and without pre-existing conditions)
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/weekly-total-archive/
You don’t hear those kind of statistics on the news!

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Sceptic Nurse
Sceptic Nurse
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Nurse

To access the data – the link will take you to the NHS England website and then click on the most recent “Covid 19 total announced deaths” – its a downloadable file – once downloaded click on “Tab 3 Deaths by condition” and it shows deaths broken down by different age groups.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Nurse

At what point do we recognise covid is seasonal & stop adding all its victims up as a grand total.

Either Aprils stats were 2019/20 season or as we are now in 2021 so its a new years total.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

But then they wouldn’t look so scary.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

They know perfectly well that the grand total reflects two seasons that occured in one calendar year.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That’s why they kept stringing out their narrative. Result? Long Covid.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Nurse

You may not hear that on the news but most people do know about it.
They still comply not because they are scared of the Covid but either because they are scared of the consequences of not complying or still think that more they do comply the sooner they will be allowed back to normal.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic Nurse

Thank you. Posts like this are so helpful. Saved for a later day.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago

A glimmer of good news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/11/police-in-england-say-they-wont-enforce-masks-in-supermarkets

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

That’s good, but what about the baying maskoid mib?
We’ll have to remember that though they look vicious, they are cowards by definition.
Also that any ban on people by reason of disability is illegal. I suppose, if somebody comes in in a wheelchair, the door goons will turf him/her out of it on to the floor, on the assumption he/she is faking?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I have yet to be challenged by any supermarket shop worker or security although I have heard mutterings from jealous fellow shoppers.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The same, and I haven’t heard muttering either (the only negative experience was one chap who literally did an about turn when he saw my bare-faced visage coming towards him down the aisle). Perhaps I’ve just been fortunate. I make a point of smiling a lot and allowing people to pass before walking in front of them.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They would have been shitting on themselves had they refused entry to a person in a wheelchair and said person takes them to court for discrimination. This shouldn’t be any different. It’s discrimination pure and simple.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x64m0ss

Monty Python NHS sketch

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I just ignore the maskoids, or growl/laugh at them depending on my mood. If one of them calls me a covidiot I ask them how they are enjoying their mouldy unhealthy rag?

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

‘…the question: Have we missed something that could explain why some people fall very ill and even die, yet others don’t even know they’ve got it?’ (Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS)

Answer: Yes, the government has, but LS hasn’t

It’s another (now endemic) common cold coronavirus. A distinguished Coronavirus expert in China at the time of the outbreak told us that it was like a severe cold on 06 February.

And we did 5 minutes of online research for ourselves:

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

‘More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362#:~:text=Highlights,and%20death%20in%20healthy%20adults.

Plus T Cell immunity

Plus BCG vaccination immunity

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I think the other element is ACE2 receptors. The more you have, the more like you are to experience severe symptoms as I understand it. Hence children with few will catch it and have no symptoms, and develop immunity.

Older people are more likely express high levels, and thus risk the virus being able to enter cells more readily and infection having a greater effect. Some people will express it more highly for genetic reasons, and I am sure there must be some lifestyle factors. So for some, once its overcome the immune system, it can really gain traction

That is my thinking anyway.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Thanks. Very interesting. ACE2 receptors are key for at least one other endemic common cold coronavirus (as well as SARS):

‘The cellular receptors mediating binding and entry have been identified for some coronaviruses associated with human disease. HCoV-229E uses CD13 as a receptor. The cellular receptors for HCoV-OC43 and HKU1 are currently unknown. Recently, angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) was identified as a receptor for both SARS-CoV and NL63′

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1287568/

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Puddleglum
Puddleglum
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

ACE2 receptors appear on the cell membrane in response to insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is caused by high levels of blood sugar and is at the root of chronic lifestyle diseases. High levels of blood sugar are promoted by hyper processed foods.

(I’m a bit of a broken record about hyper processed foods!)

Eat real food. Get some sunshine. Save lives.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Puddleglum

Could this explain why Japan has far lower case and death numbers than Western countries?

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Puddleglum
Puddleglum
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Japan has something called a metabo law (not related to the Kung Flu). Basically employers are responsible for making sure that employees who have poor metabolic health are persuaded to lose the weight and get active.

I made a post on it last year on my blog. Thought little more about it but last Tuesday 100’s of visitors to the website to read that post. Normally I have a small handful of visitors daily. The visitors were from all over the world – not just Japan. I have no idea what that was about!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Puddleglum

Obese people tend to be insulin resistant.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

It took the Government about three months to announce that they were going to sponsor an academic inquiry into the wide variation in peoples level of illnes.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

This is v interesting Tim thanks. I think a big part of the problem is that people think that there’s just cold virus (not v serious and you can avoid it by not getting cold), flu (only kills birds or people in Asia) and now covid (kills everyone).
People need educating that humans are affected by lots of different respiratory viruses (that the NHS would unlikely have ever tested you for unless perhaps you were hospitalised for pneumonia?) And that they are already often the “cause” of death for many elderly and vulnerable people.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Completely agree. If more people had a better diet, more exercise in the fresh air and took fewer pills generally, they would be less inclined, less likely, to burden the NHS in the first place.

Personal health etc (PSHE) is, apparently, a non statutory subject.

That cannot be right if the taxpayer then has to foot eyewatering tax bills to prop up an incompetently managed, inappropriately funded, health care system based on minimal learning, information, regarding personal health.

The lack of knowledge, interest in acquiring knowledge, is a huge indictment of this country’s state education system.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I won’t pretend I understand a lot of what you said and I apologise if this is what you are saying. I know Ivor Cummings has looked at Japan and Europe death rates and found the levels of vitamin D in old folk were shockingly low in Europe.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Vitamin D does seem to be key, doesn’t it; eating better, fresh air, and slimmer.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Although in Sweden almost all the excess deaths amongst old folks were amongst those who either lived in care homes or were dependent on home visits from care workers.

The main reason in fact why Sweden did so much worse than the rest of Scandinavia was a poorly-organized elderly care system (big care homes, no consistency into which care worker gets sent to which home).

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

The Left Lockdown Sceptics referred to in the Round Up section is a welcome addition to the voices of dissent. Its creation is another sign that we (those of us who have been opposed to the lockdowns from the outset) are making progress. It is another sign that the lockdown propaganda is nothing like as effective as its carriers would wish. The website’s opening article provides an informed critique, which is well worth reading. It covers the history of the pandemic response in this country in analytical manner, focusing on how disproportionate, unscientific and harmful the response to the virus has been. It is a website that should be encouraged.

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Steeve
Steeve
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Have you got the link?

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/our-analysis-of-lockdown-and-covid-fascism

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

A new expression: Covid fascism. That about sums it up

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TimeIsNow
TimeIsNow
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“ Therefore, our main priority at this time is to popularise and extend our analysis among socialists and the wider public, and to convince people that lockdown is wrong and that opposition to this sociopathic policy is the correct course of action.”
Hear hear. It’s very well reasoned and the terms like “sociopathic” and “covid fascism” set the right tone I think. If this circulates in left circles we could see traction. I would suggest a comments section ASAP to start the conversation. Welcome.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Have not read it all yet, but seems pretty impressive. And it is very important to have people who identify as leftist speaking out. (So far, pretty much only OffG and a few individuals.)

Very very welcome indeed.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Has anyone here read Arthur Bough’s blog?

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danny
danny
5 years ago

3 metre rule and no talking in the street?
Yep. The supply teachers “running” this show are getting angrier and angrier each day and the more bizarre the law the more they lose the public.
Keep it coming. Within a few days Whitty will just appear on TV screaming and blowing a whistle, to an indifferent national shrug.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

How are they going to enforce social distancing, tazer anyone less than 3m apart? its fffing stupid, if people aren’t respecting 2m what makes these desperate pseudoscientists think people will respect 3.

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danny
danny
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

In the voice of John Cleese….

“Stop challenging me! I mean it. Fine. That’s it. 10 metre rule. No. 1 mile rule. Yes you. Standing there outside tesco. Turn around and go back 1 mile. Stop walking when you Herat me blow the whistle. What? No I don’t care if you’re on crutches, you can’t sit down to rest on that bench on the way. Selfish bastard. Move. That’s it. I warned you. Go home. You can try again to buy food next week. Starving? Well you should have thought of that before you chose to be class clown and challenge me shouldn’t you.”

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Love it

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Sgt Major, barking out orders.

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Stevey
Stevey
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

This one is particularly bizarre as most people are still loosely following the 2m rule in shops from what I’ve seen. Not so much outside though.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Stevey

In my part of the woods, I would say it’s the exact opposite.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Stevey

If you watched streamed concerts here and abroad, you’ll see the difference.

UK orchestras – slavishly follow the 2m rule hence less instruments and less musicians

(Based from what I’ve watched) German and Italian orchestras – 1m rule, some orchestras not even social distancing and that’s why they still have late 19th and 20th century composers in their repertoire.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Of course Germans and Italians have had a much more recent history with totalitarianism and hence why have been much more inclined to fight back. That said, with Germany its actually more those in the old east, its not for nothing that most of the anti-lockdown protests have been in Berlin, Leipzig and Dresden – all in the old DDR.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Bart, you are right there is certainly more awareness in the old DDR, though whether overall there is much more fightback in Germany than UK I am not sure.

Several officials in Berlin city government are former pre-1989 DDR officials, and police in the city are very bad. Following anti-lockdown (Querdenker) protest in Berlin police blamed violence on Querdenkers. MSM dutifully reported. Then, after questions posed by independent member of city council, police had to admit that police were actually injured in clashes with Antifa counter-protest (‘Vaccination Is Love’). The police must have well known this all along, as must the MSM, who of course did make any effort to correct their initial reports.

The whole level of media manipulation is quite extraordinary. German MSM reporting was even ‘managed’ to ensure the public were not informed about how much corona financial aid was going to large corporations. It’s that bad, I’m afraid.

https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/coronademo-berlin-gewalt-gegen-polizisten/

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

Well said. Unfortunately a lot of things don’t get reported and I won’t be surprised if the police and MSM there are also using the same tricks applied here.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

another ref

https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/80-verletzte-polizisten-bei-corona-demo-aber-durch-linke-taeter/

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Spot on, as usual.

I was pretty ambivalent about Brexit, but one thing I thought: once out, the British would then no longer be able to blame the EU for all the ‘rules and regs’, because it was clear to me that the Brits are much more obsessed with health and safetyism than rest of Europe. And hopefully, now Brits will have to face up to this.

Interesting take on Brexit here. (If you had told me a year ago, I would flagging articles from ConWoman — which I had never heard of, of course — I would have given you a very funny look.)

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/despite-brexit-britain-is-an-occupied-country/

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

Laura Perrins is excellent, in my opinion. She is a barrister and knows her shit. No time for BS with her. You can see her in action in the Delingpod, where she has a regular ‘chinwag’ with James Delingpole (easy to find online). It’s part of my therapy in these dystopian times. Yes, the Conservative Woman website is good, too.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

Laura Perrins vs Kay Burley (sp?).

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

That’s the consequence of trying to maintain the falsehood of a deadly pandemic.They have shut pretty much everything so how can they explain the still rising numbers.
Either the numbers are false or your measures are not working.
Cue the 2 pronged attack on the public.Police filmed smashing down doors and fining people for the heinous crime of socialising and loads of ICU footage showing nurses who are so busy but have always got time to talk to the media.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

I left home at 06.50 this morning, at that time there are usually no vacant parking places. Today there were six or seven within a short distance of my quit quiet residential street.
Surely people are not staying away overnight ! ?
bozo & chums will be miffed.

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cloud6
cloud6
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Remainer’s revenge, they still cannot stomach the 2016 defeat.

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Surely extending the social distance rule to 3m, is only so that they can call more outdoor spaces “busy” if the masks outdoor rule gets brought in.

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ituex
ituex
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Our road isn’t 3m wide.

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stevie
stevie
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Ah so we can have longer queues outside supermarkets and fewer people inside.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  stevie

Only until Grandad catches cold queuing outside in the rain

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

He’ll just be added to the cull.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

They’re only worried about granny. Grandpa is irrelevant 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The end is clearly not too far away when they start going bonkers like this. They know the game is nearly up and many are totally in the shit.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago

the gorilla thing triggers another of my fears of things to come: next they’ll be coming for our pets, a cull of the nation’s cats and dogs

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Something like a quarter of the population have dogs as members of their households/families; and a similar proportion of the population have cats as members of their households/families. Whilst I am well aware of how easily the government has been able to impose a fascist dictatorship, I nonetheless do not see the people of this country willingly allowing their loved ones to be sacrificed to the madness. Any such move by the government would inevitably trigger serious resistance, and the last thing the government needs is anything that makes compliance less likely. However, mass killing of this kind is not unprecedented. During the Great Plague (1665) dogs and cats were slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands on the ground that they were a vector for the disease.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Its a fact my wife loves the dog more than me & anyone who tried to harm him would meet their maker, i’m fine with it he is lovable.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

and it made the plague worse because only the cats and dogs were keeping down the rats!

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

The Great Plague had nothing to do with rats – it was not an outbreak of bubonic plague.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

my info is out of date 🙂

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

The bubonic plague nonsense was always obvious nonsense. It was invented at the turn of the nineteenth/twentieth century and repeated as fact for a century – a hundred years of the elite pushing of falsehood takes a long time and a lot of effort to undo.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Panspermia? Comet shower? Dirty Asteroid? Aliens?

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

What was it then?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

I do not know. No one knows. From reading the contemporary accounts, it was probably a viral disease, but there is no longer any physical evidence to examine, as it disappeared in the seventeenth century.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It hasn’t disappeared in Madagascar

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Parts of India, according to some sources.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

What hasn’t disappeared in Madagascar?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Bubonic plague

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Most happily sacrificed their friends to suicide….sorry to say I hate this country now. Born and bred British but totally beaten by the supine idiotic nation we’ve become.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

I certainly think some people will – sacrifice their “friends” to suicide. Couples and families probably don’t notice – as it’s off their radar. But a lot of us single people will know that we come last/if anywhere at all on the radar of other people (even other single people!). I know I thought “Well – even if They cancel all my social life events – I’ll still have people round to visit in my home/go to their home. They can’t cancel that – we’ll just have to be a bit careful about Covid-snoops” – but have realised that even much of that isn’t happening – because we’re put last and because many other single people are Covid-scared. It was all I could do to persuade a nearby single Covid-scared friend not to let me down re coming round for a Boxing Day meal (ie this is Wales here) – when she rang to cancel on Christmas Eve. Otherwise – I’d have had nothing at all of any description re Christmas socialising – after organised social events being cancelled and married friends putting us singles last.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

I think you’re right about “I certainly think some people will – sacrifice their “friends” to suicide. Couples and families probably don’t notice – as it’s off their radar.”

I think your friends have to be full on skeptics as I am married and have single friends and married friends. The married friends are skeptical to a degree but not enough to ‘risk’ visiting us or inviting us or me to their homes, they stick to ‘breaking the law/rules’ with their own family.

Me being a full on skeptic have the single friends round for coffee and the married ones won’t come.

I really despair at the lack of empathy most people have now. The same people that share mental health day etc on social media are the same people who are now condemning the people that are struggling to deal with the lockdown, their reply when it is mentioned is we’re all in the same boat, eh no we’re not.

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Melangell
Melangell
5 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

I share your despair at the lack of empathy from the smugly married And the supreme irony of the lipservice they pay to mental health.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Lack of empathy. I experienced that yesterday with a bug exterminator and two Montreal police officers. I might file a complaint, although it probably won’t do any good.

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Melangell
Melangell
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

As a single person (widowed) living in a fairly isolated valley in Wales, this has been my experience too. When my husband died, four years ago, I dragged myself up from the pit of grief and loneliness by creating a life filled with interesting weekly community events, which for me involved dancing and meditation as well as walks with friends who are all married around here. (I work from home and always have done which is isolating in itself.) The Christmas holidays loomed like a dark abyss until one friend invited me over for “Christmas breakfast” because a mutual friend had urged her to after I had mentioned how I was feeling. No fun to be invited because someone felt sorry for you though! One couple I will never speak to again after their callously cheerful text telling me to drop my Christmas card outside the gate. Hopefully the Hindus are right about karma …

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

hello, Eliza and Melangell

Me too. I live alone and depend, enthusiastically, on the rich resources that are outside my own home: friends, my workplace, cafes, concerts, museums, public transport, shops, galleries, city space, my community choir, etc etc etc… Without these things, my life is desperately miserable and impoverished.
My friends who are married have no conception of the meaning of the prohibition of these activities and places for me.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

I’m married and believe me, Mr Bart and I also rely on the things you mentioned above as part of cultivating common interests and keeping our marriage strong. We’ve had rough patches over the past few months and have been trying to find ways to keep doing what we’ve done. I can only assume that lockdownistas who are married aren’t having any marital problems and mental health issues.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The opposite. Those of us singles who are ok with our own company are faring much better than some couples I know who are suffering from mockdown claustrophobia.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

No. You are the Best of British. Hang on, Sloopy.

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Nymeria
Nymeria
5 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

I feel the same way.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

There was certainly a thing up on an anti-Lockdown Facebook page where someone was saying how their pet-owning neighbour had come to them wanting them to take on their pet – and the reason being that the vet had (quite rightly) declined to kill it when they’d taken it in to be put down in case they contracted Covid from it!! Cue, obviously, for lots of people offering to take on the care of the poor innocent pet concerned.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Chimpanzee vaccine for them ?

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

ZiL lanes would save a great deal of embarrassment for our state apparatchiks when exercising with security details.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/world/europe/russia-moscow-highway.html

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Who can forget the ZiL lanes at London Olympics where we worshipped NHS and booed evil stove pipe hatted ecocider engineers.

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cloud6
cloud6
5 years ago

Well the madness and lunacy gets even crazier. A neighbour turned up yesterday for a (mistaken) hospital appointment at a large Plymouth hospital (he does have a serious medical condition) and was amazed to find he was the only one there, As he was there they did carry out some checks.

His comment to me that evening was that the place was spotless, I nearly choked and said it should be all the time not just in a pandemic, silence ensued.

So the lies continue? Is the NHS overwhelmed or just certain parts of it?

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Are you down in this part of Devon too? I was in Plymouth city centre yesterday and it was dead – a police car driving around the pedestrian bits. Hard to see those businesses sustaining this.

No police out and about – shame, as after I’d done my mask-free shopping I was all up for having a ‘word’ with them, and letting them know what I think of the bollox laws.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Reminds me of that Yes Minister episode. The hospital in question had won awards for its impeccable hygiene. The hospital had no patients.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The hospital had one: one of the (many) administrators had hurt their ankle.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

That’s why they are going to ship in patients from the East of England, expect a spike in deaths for the S/W but it won’t mostly be locals.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Hi, this is the first I have herd of this plan, do you have any further details/info?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I was told by someone on the NHS frontline and another LS reader yesterday confirmed it was already happening at his local hospital, Somerset I think.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/our-analysis-of-lockdown-and-covid-fascism

from the round up is an excellent summary of where we are and what has gone wrong from a left-wing perspective

excellent for sending to friends who may be more open to persuasion from that quarter

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SallyM
SallyM
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Although how anyone can remain committed to socialism after this hideous experience of collectivist overreach is completely beyond me.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

I’d call it Fascism actually.

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BJJ
BJJ
5 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

There are a lot of things beyond me in this madness. Isn´t this show run by a supposedly liberal Government?

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BJJ
BJJ
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Already done that. Besides, it is a quite good analysis.

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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

If you think Cuomo is on your side, I have a bridge you might be interested in.

I do think Liberals here are positioning themselves to declare victory for Biden, though. In my state, however, the (Democrat) governor just established new “phases” with impossible benchmarks, and will likely never voluntarily give back any of the freedoms he has eliminated. Maybe periodically lent back, but it is now established that he can and will shut everything down at random.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Surely not even a Democrat would introduce draconian lockdowns randomly?

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Especially a Democratic Governor.
Just watch NY and California; Cuomo and Newsome.
Though not randomly, but in a calculated way.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Cuomo has been shown the empty cash box, hence the change of heart.

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ituex
ituex
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Hoping you aren’t in Va, daughter going back to university (from UK) tomorrow!

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

we have been barraged with doom and gloom numbers (manipulated at worst, not telling the full story at best) for a year

well from about now, those numbers are going to start going down. people will lose interest in them.

we should make sure we barrage people with numbers of deaths and sufferings from the lockdown – we have many years ahead of this

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

On a lighter note, my sister-in-law is a bit of a drama queen. She had covid back in the Spring – terrible it was, 9 days in bed. Well apparently she’s gone and got it again – just as bad.

I suggested to my mother that maybe she inform us when she hasn’t got covid just for the sake of efficiency 😉

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Asymptomatic death is it this time?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Must have got the ‘wild’ original and now mutant.1, still mutant.2 to go.

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eptwll
eptwll
5 years ago

Representative Pramila Jayapal just a little over an hour ago tweeted that she tested positive, and without any scientific evidence places the blame squarely on being sequestered with Republican colleagues who refused masks during the Capitol imbroglio. This is ridiculous on so many counts. Does she have genetic sequencing to prove that her positive test result is genetically aligned with any positive cases in said Republican colleagues? Have any of said colleagues tested positive? Does she even have any symptoms? What is the CT value of the test she received? Does she have gene sequencing evidence that her positive test did not result from the coffee-shop, newsstand, grocery store she frequented in the last week? Also, interesting to note that she got her positive test result between midnight and 1am – that is some service! And yes, I know that she is a rep for Washington state, but she references following capitol physician’s advice to self-isolate, so I’m assuming she is still in DC. The lack of critical thought in her denunciation is stunning.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  eptwll

It would make an interesting psychological study as to why people have such a touching and fervent belief in face masks. Anyone who has worked on dusts in industry will know how difficult it is to prevent dust and how what you really need to do is put the dust control on the system and not on the person.
If a dust mask is not really the answer to industrial dust why is a scrotty piece of cloth the answer to a virus? In fact as has been found in industry a dust mask can give a false sense of security as people think they are safe when they are not. In the UK we have had face-masks in shops since July 2020, most people wear one, has it made any difference? no it has not.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It is far easier to persuade someone to believe in pseudoscientific nonsense than to get them to accept actual scientific knowledge.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Both my son and husband use the work masks as examples. My sons qoute being the simplest.
” Builders and welders pay hundreds of pounds for the correct mask for the job, so who in their right mind would believe that a pack of 5 paper masks bought at asda for a fiver are going to stop a fkn virus you can’t see”

He drives a bin lorry and is working with more bacteria and germs you could shake a stick at. The most disgusting thing about it, is some people put their USED paper masks in the RECYCLING bin and then get abusive at the binmen for refusing to lift it.

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Our bin men have just come down the road – they were supposed to collect last Friday but couldn’t because some idiot had parked on the pavement blocking the road. Of the four handling the bins only one of them had a mask, half hearted fitted just about over his nose. Mind you, with the stink from their trucks I can fully see why they need to wear them.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

That is gross!

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  eptwll

This goes back to the bizarre claim that masks work 1 way. When a non mask wearer gets the virus it is claimed he caught it because he didn’t wear a mask. When an ardent mask wearer is infected she claims her mask was never supposed to protect her! Do these people really believe their own words?

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago

The general panic and hysteria is a direct result of the ‘hard hitting emotional messaging’ that the government engaged in back in March.
The effect on people cut off from all social networks has been horrendous,as this went on for months with the daily death count with no qualifying statistics.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

A Policeman stopped me in the street, to ask why I wasn’t wearing a mask.
“Sorry Officer” , I replied. “I’m not allowed to engage in conversation, and neither are you, in case we pass the virus.”
That didn’t happen, but it might, and I’m ready.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Chris Whitty said that any unnecessary social interaction would cause a chain of transmission that would lead to a vulnerable person. He said we should all avoid all unnecessary social contacts. I was waiting for him to tell the police to stay at home, save lives: but he didn’t.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Its true and its been true for ever and it will be true in future. We have all, in the past, been links in chains of transmission that kill old people. But what’s the alternative? Its just life.

The only way to avoid it is to commit suicide as soon as you get a sniffle and have arrangements in place for your corpse to be burned by people in hazmat suits.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Whitty explicitly said “unnecessary” – the implication being that necessary social contacts do not cause chains of transmission.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

true. I suppose Whitty might have a different definition of necessary and unnecessary to me. Necessary to keep my basic life functions going? Necessary to live a rewarding life?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

When you look at Chris Witty, there is something disturbing about him and you do wonder what is his idea of unnecessary social contact. It is almost as if he finds people disturbing!
But on a wider issue why are we getting all this guff from unelected health tyrants, they should have been put back in their box by the politicians months ago. But our politicians could not run an inebriated celebration in a place of alcohol production and so the tail (health tyrants) are very much wagging the dog.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

But our politicians could not run an inebriated celebration in a place of alcohol production

A wonderful reformulation!

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Chris Whitty looks like a psycho, those eyes just seem evil.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

I think he tends to look very uncomfortable delivering what he knows is utter bollox. Not that I have any sympathy for his plight.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

They all know its bollocks. I saw through it from day one

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This shows how incompetent he is or an accomplished liar. Is he trying to say the plague is out there?

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BJJ
BJJ
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Should the Police work from home then?

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Chris Whitty has never had any social interaction to know what it is.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

This is what i’ve been wondering, does the right to remain silent still remain?

As far as i’m aware corona/health legislation doesn’t cancel out existing legal rights.

According to Chris Daw QC (above) police have no power to ask why you’re out, so you don’t have to engage with them.

Don’t ever talk or engage with police, say nothing, other than am i under arrest? am i being detained? if the answers no walk away. if they ask your details ask if you’re obliged to give them & under what grounds. Don’t engage, Walk away!

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

If the police believe you have committed an offence under the coronavirus regs you are obliged to stop and give them your name and address and take the fixed Penalty Notice if they issue one. You can be arrested for refusing to give your details if a police officer is trying to issue you with a Fixed Penalty Notice under the coronavirus regs. If you feel you have a reasonable explanation i guess you would want to give that in the hope that would be the end of the matter. I feel this fixed Penalty Notice business has been used way beyond anything that was envisaged when the system started for the purpose of motoring offences. We now have the Police using fixed penalty notices a bit like the money they try and extort from you when you are stopped at a Nigerian road block. I have twice written to the Attorney General about this but have received no reply, there needs to be a full Parliamentary review and discussion on the use of fixed Penalty Notices. On a practical note; a Fixed Penalty Notice is not a fine, it is an offer to do a deal, it should have… Read more »

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

i guess you would want to give that in the hope that would be the end of the matter.

Nooooooooooo, Police only ever ask questions to determine if you are guilty! Say nothing. if they ask for your details ask if you are obligated to & under which law to give them. Its not about winding them up or avoidance its a matter of law! I’m not interested what police think or proving my innocence, its for them to prove guilt under the powers they’ve been given under the law, volunteer nothing.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

In South Africa the police just lament the shortage of beer for the party they are having after work. Quite endearing really.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

“The UK’s most senior police officer says it is “preposterous” that anyone could be unaware of the need to follow the coronavirus lockdown rules.”

I’m unaware of the need for it. I know the government wants me to do it but it is a) morally wrong b) counterproductive

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

oops – just found out Cressida Dick has a BA in Agriculture & Forest Sciences.

I defer to her authority on tackling a ‘pandemic’

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

In which case she should know that Extrinsic allergic alveolitis (farmers lung) is very hard to control with a face mask and what you need to do is put dust controls on the combine and the handling and grading machinery.
She should know that face masks give a false sense of security and should be directing her officers to tell the public to remove them for the sake of their health.

P.S. Extrinsic allergic alveolitis is one of the reasons listed on my face-mask exemption slip which I will present if ever challenged, and I will decline to explain it in layman’s terms, if they ask for medical reasons then they should be capable of understanding a medical answer.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

We all knew that Steve.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Face muzzles are a criminals paradise. In her crime ridden shithole she certainly shouldn’t have her officers sporting them. Like much of the Public Sector the CCP Virus is used as an excuse, or deflection for poor performance.

If she really went after proper criminals, rather than easy target innocents, then she would have the added bonus of real CCP Virus law ignorers. Too tough for most of the goons in the Met. So many selected these days not up to the job, don’t even look the part. Shorties and fatties, never used to get in the Police.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

So she is an expert on bullshit and planks.

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Cressida has a BA Hons in scissoring

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

She can’t see the wood for the trees.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago

Calling Richard O.

You made a perceptive comment yesterday evening about Hancock’s susceptibility to flattery, and I replied saying that Churchill in his book Great Contemporaries had made similar remarks about the German Kaiser. 

Well I’ve dug it out – it’s the paragraph spanning pp. 23-4 here:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.13535/page/n41/mode/2up

As I re-read it today, it strikes me how applicable this must be to the likes of Bill Gates and the rest of the bubble-living zoo. 

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Kay Burley used to tongue his backside something rotten. It was blatant to everyone apart from Wanksock that she was playing at being the anti-Piers Morgan.

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optocarol
optocarol
5 years ago

“Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking.”

No, I don’t think so. My husband was diagnosed with dementia 10 years ago, he’s been in care for 5. He does not know me or his children and makes no sense when talking. Last year he broke his femur and is no longer mobile. He is in his 90th year. I will not find his death shocking or tragic.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

yes, deaths of old age can certainly not be described as either tragic or shocking.

Perhaps ‘beneficial and expected’

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

My mum was starting to find living independently in her seaview apartment difficult when she went into the local community hospital and passed away at 84 years peacefully within a few days.
She would not have wanted to go into a care home and the whole family agreed it was for the best.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

As my 91 year old step father, a farmer, has always observed about someone being kept alive, after all their faculties have gone, “if I kept an animal like that I would be up in court”.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

Agreed -my mother died after nearly three years of dementia. In a moment of lucidity she said that she wished she had died before the onset.

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sunny66
sunny66
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

Similar situation to my mother, aged 94, who has recently passed away. Dementia for the last 5 years, recognised no family members, and during visits she spent the entire time crying. Not pleasant for any of us, and rather than saddened at her death at 94, I am glad she has finally departed.

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Felice
Felice
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

Agreed. I was relieved by my mother’s death last July at the age of 96. She had been in a care home for only 4 weeks, absolutely hated it, and spent all her time ranting about why it was like being punished and in solitary confinement. She was in poor health but of sound mind. As I could see this fiasco lasting longer than she would, death sooner rather than later was the kindest thing. She died of a heart attack, brought about by the stress caused by lockdown.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

My mother has a phrase, “you never regret having a dog put down”. I expect, given the choice, with dearly loved relatives, whose spirits have long since departed this world, the same sentiment would apply.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

A friend of mines wife had dementia. He said it was like having the body but not having the funeral.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

A neighbours mother who’s in her 90s has dementia and hasn’t recognised her daughter for 3 years, has had several mini strokes, is doubly incontinent and is only capable of lying looking at the ceiling. She got C19 and recovered. Her daughter said she should of died. Her mother was a nurse and would hate what she has become.

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

My 96 year old nan, who had severe mobility issues, and who told me a couple of years back “don’t ever get old” died at the end of January last year. She had been in hospital a few times in the previous month (a day or two each time) and died, somewhat unexpectedly, during the night on her last stay, having been visited by many family members including myself that day. It was very sad for all concerned but the whole family agreed she died at the right time given what happened just a few weeks later.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

My Mum aged 80 was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s 12 months ago and is already a caricature of her former self. I hope the decent into this dreadful disease won’t be long and drawn out but I fear it will due to this fervent desire to vaccinate everybody against anything that might otherwise give them a merciful release from chronic and debilitating conditions.

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Will
Will
5 years ago

The whole country is on the verge of herd immunity. If we had opened up the country in the middle of April we would have been spared most of this “second wave”. Indeed, because people would have had much more robust immune systems in that extraordinary spring sunshine, we may well have been spared the small number of excess deaths we are currently seeing. And maybe, the virus would have mutated, if it was spread by healthy immune systems, into a much less contagious strain…

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

The second wave is largely propaganda and it is still without the bodybags.

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