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by Jonathan Barr
16 January 2021 5:17 AM

New Travel Ban

Reuters

Another day, another press conference. This time the Prime Minister announced the closure of all travel corridors in order to shut out new Covid strains. The BBC has the details.

The UK is to close all travel corridors from Monday morning to “protect against the risk of as yet unidentified new strains” of Covid, the PM has said.

Anyone flying into the country from overseas will have to show proof of a negative Covid test before setting off.

It comes as a ban on travellers from South America and Portugal came into force on Friday over concerns about a new variant identified in Brazil.

Boris Johnson said the new rules would be in place until at least February 15th.

A further 1,280 people with coronavirus have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive test, taking the total to 87,291.

Speaking at a Downing Street press conference, the Prime Minister said it was “vital” to take extra measures now “when day by day we are making such strides in protecting the population”.

“It’s precisely because we have the hope of that vaccine and the risk of new strains coming from overseas that we must take additional steps now to stop those strains from entering the country.”

All travel corridors will close from 04:00 GMT on Monday. After that, arrivals to the UK will need to quarantine for up to 10 days, unless they test negative after five days.

Mr Johnson, who said the rules would apply across the UK after talks with the devolved administrations, added that the Government would be stepping up enforcement at the border and in the country.

Travel corridors were introduced in the summer to allow people travelling from some countries with low numbers of Covid cases to come to the UK without having to quarantine on arrival.

Trade body Airlines UK said it supported the latest restrictions “on the assumption” that the Government would remove them “when it is safe to do so”.

Chief executive Tim Alderslade said travel corridors were “a lifeline for the industry” last summer but “things change and there’s no doubting this is a serious health emergency”.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said it was the “right step” but called the timing of the decision “slow again”, adding that the public would be thinking “why on earth didn’t this happen before”.

Aside from the inevitable chaos to come as Brits abroad rush home, one might be forgiven for wondering what substantive difference the rules will make. The UK is in lockdown for who knows how long, a key element of which is a moratorium on international travel, except for “work purposes”. The vast majority are not travelling, and won’t be affected by the imposition of a travel ban, and it comes weeks after numerous countries closed their border to us in any case.

The Telegraph points out:

More than 50 countries deemed to have a low Covid risk are currently on the travel corridor list. However, all but nine (seven islands in the Caribbean, plus the Maldives and Bahrain) are not welcoming British holidaymakers, and most have closed their borders to all UK arrivals. 

Since last month those returning from non-corridor countries have had the option of cutting their quarantine period if they take a Covid test five days after they return. From Monday, all arrivals will need to carry evidence of a negative test taken no more than 72 hours before departure, or face a £500 fine.  

The Guardian has more.

Travel corridors will be axed in effect from Monday morning. The corridors, which exempted inbound travellers from the requirement to quarantine for 10 days, may make little practical difference to the airline and travel industry in the current context.

Schedules have been slashed and comparatively few people are likely to have travelled to or from the majority of the few dozen destinations remaining on the corridor list: some obscure, some no longer linked by flights to the UK, others barring British travellers. Holidays are banned; a few Caribbean destinations with longer-staying visitors are the most likely to have affected travellers, with the likes of Dubai already recently removed from the list…

While the Government will point to the emergence of new variants, questions will again be asked on the timing, coherence and implementation of the rules. Boris Johnson imposed a ban on flights from Brazil this week, almost three weeks after UK flights were barred by Brazil.

Needless to say, the travel ban isn’t sufficient for Independent Sage, which recently wrote a report calling for internal travel to be restricted.

Each part of the UK should develop regional or local zones which can be used to restrict travel if required. In some parts of the UK, this can be instituted, in most cases, by using existing county boundaries.

Meanwhile, prepare for the announcement that the unwanted strains are already here.

Stop Press: The Independent reports France is outlawing the use of rapid COVID-19 tests, raising the prospect of a return of border problems in Kent. Grant Shapps said he believed there would be an exemption for lorry drivers, but only “for the time being”.

Stop Press 2: Guy de la Bédoyère, a regular contributor to Lockdown Sceptics, is gloomy, fearing that we may be stuck with travel restrictions for years.

Stop Press 3: The Spectator’s Steerpike points out that it might just be possible to get a two-day break without needing to get a test overseas:

Has Shapps missed a trick when it comes to the new testing regime? According to the rules, travellers will have to present a negative Covid test which has been taken three days before they arrive at the border.

But what happens if you go on a three- or two-day break? From Mr Steerpike’s reading of the guidance, there is nothing to stop a traveller being tested in the UK, travelling for a weekend break, and then returning to the country using the negative result they obtained in England less than three days earlier. Which means anyone on a short break doesn’t really need to provide a negative Covid test abroad at all. Anyone travelling to Belgium, for example, could pick up a test on Friday morning, travel to Brussels, and return by Monday morning without a need for another test.

While this may cut down on some of the bureaucracy currently involved with travelling, Mr S suspects that this isn’t exactly what those pushing for tougher border controls had in mind. Could it possibly be that Mr Shapps’ new travel rules weren’t properly thought through?

That is, of course, assuming you can find a country to let you in without the need to quarantine.

Do You Know How Covid Spreads?

Writing for Unherd, King’s College London lecturer Stuart Richie says that Government messaging has been too slow to squash a popular misconception on the transmission of COVID-19. According to a recent poll, 16% of the population think the main way the virus spreads is by “fomite” transmission – the technical term for touching objects or surfaces with the virus on them. But this is wrong, says Ritchie.

Dangerously wrong because, amid much uncertainty, and despite the relentless messaging on handwashing, one thing that’s become very clear about the coronavirus is that it doesn’t spread much by fomites. Researchers have been hard-pressed to find many examples of outbreaks that can be traced to a contaminated surface (there are only a couple of possible exceptions). The Centres for Disease Control in the US have relegated this type of transmission to near the bottom of the list on their “How Covid Spreads” page – just above “catching it from your pet”.

At the beginning of the pandemic, the UK Government took up handwashing in a big way (you’ll recall all the exhortations to sing Happy Birthday twice while scrubbing away). Back then, it was understandable: we were completely in the dark on how the virus spreads, and were modelling our response on diseases we knew better, like the flu. But nearly a year later, handwashing and hand sanitiser are still at the forefront of the advice, and “hands” is still the first item on Government broadcasts on posters and elsewhere. Science has downgraded the importance of fomites, so why does our messaging still feature them so prominently?…

There’s still debate over the proportion of Covid cases that are due to larger droplets versus smaller, floating airborne particles (also known as “aerosols”). But the scientific consensus, and it’s really been quite clear since early 2020, is that the majority of Covid cases are spread in these two ways, not by touching things. If the virus is airborne, it could defeat the strategy of staying two metres apart, since it can waft through the air to infect people much further away. Keeping rooms well-ventilated seems, in theory and in practice, to be a way to reduce risk; but the polling, as well as lots of anecdotal evidence about office workers still sitting in closed rooms with their colleagues all day, suggests that much more work is needed to get this message across.

Worth reading in full.

Lockdown sceptics won’t like his comments on masks, but they’ll be able to refer people to this piece who still insist on spraying their weekly shop with disinfectant.

Another Cancer Story

Responding to the cancer story we published yesterday, a reader has written in with another sad story:

The story about the woman whose cancer treatment was halted and now cannot be resumed is desperate. But sometimes the madness comes from the patients themselves, thanks to the impossible dilemma created by their condition weighed up against the risk in hospitals and the Government propaganda that has informed everyone the only risk they face is Covid. I learned yesterday that one of my daughters-in-law, a GP, spent a day earlier this week desperately trying to persuade a middle-aged female patient to agree to go to hospital to have an operation without which she will certainly die from a fatal, but currently still treatable, condition. 

The patient was refusing, terrified that if she goes to hospital she will catch Covid and die from it. This epitomized to me the extent of the lunacy which has consumed us. It illustrated how the fear of Covid as the only meaningful hazard we face has become so great that it can push a person to the point where it has become impossible for them to contextualize that risk, even when their life is at stake from a more serious hazard. That patient has a legitimate concern about catching Covid in hospital, because that’s a obviously a real and serious threat, but it’s a bit like being on the point of drowning in the sea and refusing to get in a lifeboat in case it sinks. I feel sorry for the patient. Barracked night and day to be terrified of Covid, and egged on to avoid hospital by her equally terrified family, is it any wonder she and they have gone beyond the point of being able to deal with her crisis? Tragic. The situation remains unresolved.

Can You Sue GPs Who Refuse to Treat Patients

Dominic Ford, an experienced litigator, with a degree from the UCL Faculty of Law, has written in with an alternative view to the legal answer we published a few days ago in response to the question about the liability of GPs who aren’t providing adequate care to their patients. Not legal advice, he stresses, but interesting nonetheless

On the question, “If basic care is to be curtailed to promote vaccination programmes, can I sue the GP practice if my elderly mum doesn’t get the care she needs and then goes on to be hospitalised unnecessarily?“

I respectfully, but strongly disagree with the two previous responses posted so far.

From the outset I must state that people should never be dissuaded from bringing valid claims against the NHS. This is often the only way to achieve truth, justice and accountability – all of which are essential now more than ever. Your readers ought to be aware that evidential burdens aside, the law of negligence is decidedly pro-claimant. The objective is to compensate those who have suffered an avoidable loss. Potential claimants should also be aware that it is insurance companies, not the NHS itself, which pay the costs of such claims therefore the alleged ‘hero’ status should not be a deterrent. Against that background, I would like to add the following:

1. Unfortunately, Dr Fanning appears to overlook a fundamental tenet of the law of negligence: that a duty of care is owed to a particular claimant rather than to a class of individuals at large. A doctor does not owe a duty of care to her ‘patients’ as a collective; she owes a separate duty of care to each of her patients as individuals. It would be nonsense to say: “I treated most of my patients just not Alex, therefore I could not have been negligent towards Alex.”

2. The scope of a doctor’s duty of care will vary patient-to-patient, but only to the extent that her duty is more demanding, not less (cf Paris v Stepney). If Alex is having a heart attack and Beth has a bad cough, Alex will require more intensive care than Beth. However, if Beth is ignored and later dies, the doctor (or more appropriately, the hospital) will still be liable for Beth’s death. My right to receive adequate medical treatment is entirely different in substance to, and is not conditional upon, yours or anyone else’s. (“Stay home, protect the NHS… [from liability]”)

3. The standard to which a defendant is held is notoriously strict. In Roberts v Ramsbottom, a driver who suffered a random stroke at the wheel and had injured a pedestrian was still liable to compensate the pedestrian. The distinction between ‘ordinary,’ ‘professional’ and ‘clinical’ negligence is merely the standard of care expected from the defendant. This standard will depend on the particular profession at hand, eg doctor, accountant, solicitor etc. We certainly do not make allowances for defendants who are inexperienced or ‘busy.’

4. The two previous answers point to the so-called ‘Bolam test.’ This states that a doctor is not liable in negligence if she “acted in accordance with a practice accepted as proper by a responsible body of medical men skilled in that particular art” provided that her actions were ‘logically defensible.’

This ‘test’ is widely misapplied in practice. Strictly speaking, it should only be used in situations which involve medical uncertainty, i.e., where a doctor had to make a difficult decision about how best to treat a patient. (For example: if Treatment 1 is recommended by Journal A, but Treatment 2 is recommended by Journal B, a doctor will not be liable just because she chose Treatment 2 over Treatment 1, even though it might have been the incorrect decision in hindsight.) More fundamentally though, given that a doctor is already under a duty to act in the manner described above, the Bolam test arguably amounts to little more than a tautology. It does not operate as a defence.

Applying these principles to our current scenario, if the Surgery’s failure to provide basic care has caused the Claimant’s (i.e., the mother’s) injury, then it is highly likely that the Surgery has been negligent. The administration of a vaccine is not a medical emergency – at best, it inoculates a particular recipient against a risk of harm which may occur to that individual in future – nor is this even capable of overriding the duty of care owed to the Claimant. Inasmuch as an official policy prioritises the treatment of some patients over others irrespective of circumstance, adherence to that policy is likely negligent. I would even go as far to contend that the GP Surgery and the policy’s original proponent could be additionally liable for breach of the Human Rights Act 1998.

On the broader implications

On a separate note, Dr Fanning makes an interesting point about the relationship between risk and the cost of precautions which we are all now expected to take. Contrary to popular belief, judges have always been cognizant of the need to constrain the scope of liability in order to forestall the development of ‘compensation culture’ (the ‘floodgates’ or public policy argument). In Latimer v AEC, it was disproportionate to expect a factory to shut down completely just because the floor was wet. In Tomlinson v Congleton BC, a young man who ignored the signs and dived head-first into a shallow lake was denied a claim against the council landowner.

Now imagine the following scenario: a person (A), who is an asymptomatic carrier of a virus, passes that virus onto another person (X); X then passes the virus onto someone in their ‘bubble’ (B); B, who is an immunocompromised centenarian, later dies or becomes ill. If at the time of transmission to X, A had been outside ‘without reasonable excuse’, had not been wearing a mask in a shop or on public transport, or had not been following the ever-changing guidance to the letter; then A may well be liable in negligence for B’s illness or death, and possibly for X’s losses too.

It is impossible that the courts would have allowed such a claim to succeed pre-2020. I fear that now there is a very real possibility that such a precedent might be set which would fundamentally alter our sensible legal system forever. Regardless of the particular virus in question.

Of course, this artificial expansion of responsibility may well backfire on the Government and public authorities catastrophically. It is basic law that if X harms B, A is not liable to compensate B for X’s actions – except where A has assumed a responsibility to protect B from the very harm X has inflicted. This Government has taken it upon itself to ‘protect’ us from this virus with extreme zeal, via interventions that are unprecedented. (Indeed, the message to those who do not submit to the decrees has been that these deviants “have blood on their hands.”) The implication is clear: infection from a respiratory virus is a harm to the citizen which the Government can and should readily prevent and control.

If by not wearing a mask in Tesco I may now owe a duty of care to a pensioner in the Hebrides, then surely it is only fair that my Government should also be liable for failing to protect me from any and all viruses now or in the future? After all, its interference with my constitutional freedoms is supposedly justified by the pursuit of this particular aim, so why should I not have the right to hold my interferer to account when it fails to achieve that aim?Traditionally, the courts have been slow to impose a duty of care in negligence upon public authorities. Fortunately there exists a similar alternative: ‘positive duties’ in human rights law (cf Metropolitan Police v DSD). The irony of being able to sue the Government for breach of human rights upon receiving a positive test result because lockdown had not been ‘hard enough,’ or because masks were not made mandatory outside and at home, or because police did not use enough force to ensure compliance; would be resounding.

I shall sign off with the prescient words of the late, great Lord Hobhouse in Congleton:

“The pursuit of an unrestrained culture of blame and compensation has many evil consequences and one is certainly the interference with the liberty of the citizen. Of course there is some risk of accidents arising out of the joie de vivre of the young, but that is no reason for imposing a grey and dull safety regime on everyone.”

Israel: The Canary in the Vaccine Mine

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu receives his second dose of the coronavirus vaccine on January 9th. Miriam Alster/AFP/Getty Images

With Israel steaming ahead in the race to vaccinate its citizens against COVID-19, it has become the country to watch. To date, ~25% of the population has had at least one dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. It is early days, but a Lockdown Sceptics reader and former scientist has written in with some observations.

A chart showing the percentage of vaccinations completed (light green two doses, dark green one) shows a high level of coverage, especially across the elderly age groups in Israel, and a large proportion of those over 60 received their first and second doses before the end of 2020, well over two weeks ago. 

Percentage of different age cohorts who’ve had either a single dose or both doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine

And yet a chart of the daily death statistics (Worldometer) and a chart showing daily hospital data of patients severely ill with COVID-19 show levels at an all time high and still growing. Which begs the question: at what point should we start seeing some benefit of this comprehensive vaccination programme on the actual numbers of sick or dying elderly people.

Number of patients severely ill with COVID-19

Stop Press: The Wall Street Journal reports that there is a 33% fall in infection rates among those who have been vaccinated compared with those who haven’t.

Stop Press 2: The Times of Israel reports that the first Pfizer shot curbs infections by 50% after 14 days

Stop Press 3: Politico reveals that the secret behind their success in procuring the vaccine lies in the Israeli Government agreeing to hand over citizens’ data to Pfizer.

Switzerland Holding Referendum on Lockdown

Giving the world an example of its famous tradition of direct democracy, Switzerland is to hold a referendum next month on stripping the Government of its legal powers to impose lockdowns. The Financial Times has the details.

Campaign group Friends of the Constitution on Wednesday handed in a petition of 86,000 signatures collected over the past three months, well in excess of the 50,000 required, to formally initiate a nationwide vote to repeal the 2020 COVID-19 Act under Switzerland’s highly devolved democratic system. 

The outcome will be legally binding, with a vote scheduled for as early as June. 

While the pandemic has exposed social and political fractures across Europe over the rights of citizens, in Switzerland, where individuals’ rights are often treated as culturally sacrosanct and Government powers are sharply proscribed by law, the strains have become particularly evident.

“In our opinion, the [Government] is taking advantage of the pandemic to introduce more control and less democracy,” Christoph Pfluger, a board member of Friends of the Constitution, told the Financial Times.

He added: “The long-term problems that will arise from this kind of approach will be grave. We are a movement that says crisis management cannot be done without the will of the sovereign, the people. You cannot govern without the people.” 

Mr Pfluger said Switzerland would be the first and perhaps the only country to give its citizens a direct vote on coronavirus restrictions.

Until late December, Bern’s governing Federal Council had been reluctant to impose restrictions during the second wave of the pandemic. 

Staunch opposition from many Swiss to further curbs and dire warnings from several of the country’s most powerful and influential lobbying groups about the economic consequences of another shutdown forestalled action in the run-up to Christmas, even as case numbers rocketed. 

A poll conducted by Switzerland’s Sotomo Research Institute for state broadcaster SRF in November found that 55% of Swiss were concerned about their individual freedoms being restricted by Government measures. The same survey found that even an 11pm curfew for bars and restaurants was considered too restrictive by a third of Swiss respondents. 

Worth reading in full.

A statement on the Friends of the Constitution’s website reads:

The sovereign people will be able to decide whether to legitimise the Government’s management of the pandemic. Their decision will be decisive for dangerous viruses will continue to spread in Switzerland in the future. Shall we, by accepting the COVID-19 law, signal to the Government that it should react to future pandemics by destroying our livelihoods? Or shall we, by rejecting this bad law, show the Government that the sovereign people reject disproportionate and reckless management of the pandemic?

We hope that a successful referendum will enable an evidence-based debate which takes account of the devastating damage caused by measures taken by the Government. For a truly united and free Switzerland worth living in.

Bravo Friends of the Constitution.

Stop Press: Off Guardian reports on the #IOAPRO (I Am Open) campaign, which is set to see 50,000 Italian restaurant owners defy restrictions and open their restaurants in an act of civil disobedience. The #IOAPRO movement is already spreading into Poland and parts of Switzerland. Come on, England. What are you waiting for?

His Covid Materials

A reader has an interesting observation about the similarity between the current state of the United Kingdom and the universe of a well-known children’s book.

I’ve just binge watched Season 2 of His Dark Materials and couldn’t help noticing the similarities with living in the UK in 2021. We are being governed by The Magisterium, a quasi-religious cult with a strictly defined belief system dissent from which is severely dealt with. It also appears that SAGE are using an alethiometer to predict the future.

The War On Covid

Illustration by Nathalie Lees

Today we are publishing a piece by a reader who has adopted the pseudonym Michael Antony about the Prime Minister’s attempt to invoke the Second World War to rally the people behind his war on the virus.

All the way through the first weeks of the Covid pandemic, in March 2020, seeing himself perhaps as a Winston Churchill figure, the Prime Minister referred to – and conducted business on the basis of – Wartime. He talked about the pandemic in terms of a war that we would win, and I think saw the NHS – doctors, nurses and health workers of all kinds – as soldiers in that war.

The metaphor of the pandemic as a war has certainly been one which has struck a chord with many. A work colleague said ruefully to me in March “this is our War” – and his meaning, that we are the baby boom generation who have never had to go through deprivation as our parents did, seemed fair. For the first time in our lives we experienced deprivation in a national effort, as schools and shops closed and we all stood together.

And just as in the Second and indeed First World war, the sun shone brightly during the ‘phoney war’ period. Alan Bennett remarks in Forty Years On how the sun always shines at the start of a war, and so it was.

The similarities keep coming: sobering reports of casualties and the ebb and flow of success, of course. And the data! Just as schools and families are said to have listened intently to radio broadcasts in the 1940s and stuck pins on maps, so the daily data on the Government dashboard is greedily consumed, or has been until recently.

But I’d like to suggest a different angle to the metaphor, one that draws more on World War 1. Alan Clark’s infamous The Donkeys was the first historical analysis to seriously criticise British war tactics. Bluntly put, our Generals only had one idea: trench warfare, inch-by-inch defence and offence, built on the premise of manpower. Men – young men – were piled to the Front, sent over the top, lost in ghastly numbers for no or little gain, then the process repeated. Just keep on doing this one thing – the only thing we know how to do – and it will work eventually.

Which it did. Eventually.  As logically it must: pile enough men over the top and in the end numbers win.

In this war we have, too, made sacrifices. I believe the biggest of these has been our young people’s lives. School children and students, not to mention young workers, largely unconsulted, largely willingly, but to their huge detriment, have been deprived of schooling, education and work. Each lockdown has been like another Somme: throw more livelihoods at Covid and we will eventually win.

Which I imagine we will.

No, noble though they are, the doctors and nurses are not the army: our young are. Our politicians and medical leaders, like the “gentlemen of England now a-bed” (or rather happily Working From Home) are sending the young to damage, injury and sacrifice in pursuit of victory. It may come in some form, but (to quote Bennett again) will we really know what we were fighting for?

And will we, like WW1 generals, face future criticism for bone-headed obstinacy? I fear we will. 

Toby Reprimanded by Ipso

Toby debating the lockdown policy on Kevin O’Sullivan’s show on talkRADIO last night

The BBC reported yesterday that a complaint to Ipso, the press regulator, about an article Toby wrote in the Telegraph in July, was upheld.

The Daily Telegraph must publish a correction over a “significantly misleading” column written by Toby Young, press regulator Ipso has ruled.

The July 2020 article claimed the common cold could provide “natural immunity” to Covid-19 and London was “probably approaching herd immunity”.

But on Thursday Ipso found the paper had “failed to take care not to publish inaccurate and misleading information”.

Ipso said the paper “did not accept it has breached the [Editors] Code”.

It said the newspaper said that Young’s comments on immunity referred to “cross-reactive T-cells” that work to combat the virus.

Immunity ‘misrepresented’

However, the media watchdog sided with the complainant, James Whitehead, in its decision, who said that while these cells “may lessen the impact of COVID-19” after infection, they “would not confer ‘natural immunity'”

The ruling added Young’s statement “misrepresented the nature of immunity”.

Ipso also found Young’s suggestion that “London is probably approaching herd immunity, even though only 17% tested positive [for antibodies] in the most recent seroprevalence survey” could be misleading.

The Telegraph referred to surveys listed in an article on Young’s own Lockdown Sceptics website in its defence, but the Ipso committee judged these did not accurately reflect “how herd immunity is reached and whether it exists in London”.

The ruling concluded that the paper had breached accuracy standards on a topic of “public importance”, but deemed a correction an appropriate sanction, given the level of “significant scientific uncertainty” at the time of publication.

Young told the BBC: “I think Ipso has been put in a difficult position because our scientific understanding of the virus is constantly evolving and there is a great deal about it that scientists still disagree about.

‘Over-emphatic’

“While some of the things I wrote in that article would be contested by some scientists, they would be confirmed by others… Have we achieved herd immunity in London? I think that’s an open question and the ‘case’ data is unreliable because of the well-documented shortcomings of the PCR test.

“I may have been over-emphatic in putting the anti-lockdown case, but it’s not as if the advocates of a pro-lockdown position are any less emphatic.

“Don’t forget the WHO initially estimated the global IFR [infection fatality rate] of Covid-19 at 3.4%. The consensus now is that it’s less than 1% and almost certainly a lot less. Lots of journalists faithfully reported that alarmist figure. Why hasn’t Ipso reprimanded them?”

Last week Young told BBC Newsnight that some of his claims from an article he wrote in June had been “wrong”, where he had said a second spike of COVID-19 had “refused to materialise” and that one-metre rule is “unnecessary”.

Tweets deleted ‘not related to ruling’

At the start of the year, Young, an associate editor at the Spectator and general secretary of the Free Speech Union, installed an app that auto-deletes tweets more than a week old.

He said he did so to protect against “politically-motivated offence archaeologists” – a move unrelated to the Ipso ruling.

Reacting to criticism of his past comments on coronavirus from Neil O’Brien, Conservative MP for Harborough, Oadby and Wigston, after the deletion, Young then tweeted a defence of his stance against lockdowns.

“This is an important public debate to have,” he wrote, “both because it helps us assess the present government’s management of the pandemic and because it will help us prepare better for the next one.”

The UK entered a second national lockdown last week in a bid to control spiralling virus infection rates. On Wednesday, the UK saw its biggest daily death figure since the start of the pandemic, with 1,564 deaths.

Toby says: “I think IPSO has got this one wrong. I didn’t misrepresent the nature of immunity. Viruses are killed by T cells – antibodies are just markers. Some varieties of the common cold are caused by coronaviruses and having had these may provide people with some protection from SARS-CoV-2. There might not be a scientific consensus about that, but that doesn’t make my article ‘inaccurate’ or ‘misleading’.”

Tomorrow we’ll be publishing some defences of Toby’s article by a few of the scientists who contribute regularly to Lockdown Sceptics – and if any readers with a scientific backgrounds would like to contribute their own defences, please email us here, indicating whether we can name you or you’d like your comment to be anonymous. The Telegraph has taken down the original piece, but it was summarised in Lockdown Sceptics here.

Round-up

  • “COVID Lockdowns May Have No Clear Benefit vs Other Voluntary Measures, International Study Shows” – Good write-up in Newsweek of the recent paper by Prof John Ioannidis, Prof Jay Bhattacharya et al.
  • Mike Yeadon Secures Correction and Apology From Women’s Hour – Lockdown Sceptics regular Dr Mike Yeadon was slandered on Women’s Hour earlier this week and has secured a swift apology
  • “The world needs a real investigation into the origins of COVID-19” –  Alina Chan and Matt Ridley in the Wall Street Journal argue that the WHO’s current investigation into Covid is inadequate
  • “Assistant Editor, Gates Foundation Project” – The BBC is advertising for an Assistant Editor for a partnership between the World service and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
  • “Covid policies will kill more than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined” –  Jon Dobinson examines the shocking excess death figures released by the Office for National Statistics last Tuesday
  • “Lockdown home School, day four” –  Latest update from the Micawberist, an amusing new blog about the horror of home-schooling
  • “Do you know the Scientific History of Lockdowns?” – Another must-watch video from Ivor Cummins
  • “How powerful is big business in Britain? The answer may surprise you” – Writing for CapX, Tal Tyagi says that Brexit and the lockdown show that business lobbyists are not so powerful after all
  • Scotch eggs for all – Latest edition of the Planet Normal podcast with Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan features some NHS intel from their source ‘George’ and an interview with Lockdown Spartan and chair of the 1922 committee, Sir Graham Brady
  • “Chinese pupils are forced to wear full-body protective suits to stop the spread of coronavirus amid new outbreak” – MailOnline reports that pupils at a school in China have been forced to wear full-body suits to prevent the spread of Covid amid a new outbreak. How long before we follow suit?
  • “‘Lockdown isn’t working’: Ford caucus member speaks out” – The Toronto Sun reports on the comments of Conservative MPP Roman Baber, a supporter of Ontario Premier Doug Ford. He says lockdown isn’t working and is causing “an avalanche of suicides, overdoses, bankruptcies and divorces”
  • “The devastating human and industry cost of COVID-19” – South African winemaker Bruce Jack in THEBUYER says that COVID-19, lockdown, and the country’s alcohol ban has badly affected his business
  • “First goes law, then goes democracy” – Stacey Rudin on how the social conditioning engendered by the response to Covid subverts democratic norms and creates an environment in which other agendas can be pushed
  • “The Petition To Stop Forced Experimental Vaccines” –  A Global petition set up by America’s Frontline Doctors looking for support to prevent people from being intimidated or pressured into taking Covid vaccines
  • Attorney Successfully Challenges Covid Restrictions – Tom Woods speaks with Chris Ferrara, a special counsel with the Thomas More Society, who successfully challenged Covid restrictions on religious liberty grounds
  • Dr John Lee speaks out on COVID-19 polarisation on the Julia Hartley-Brewer Breakfast Show on talkRADIO

"There are thousands of professionals who have severe reservations [about lockdown]. We can't all be nutcases!"

Dr John Lee, former professor of pathology, is concerned about the "polarisation caused" by Covid-19: "We're all on the same side on this."@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/NWDU8kdHrP

— TalkTV (@TalkTV) January 15, 2021

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Seven today: “Yer Blues” by John Lennon & Plastic Ono Band, “Get Me Out” by the New Model Army, “The Coffee Song” by Frank Sinatra, “Ain’t Misbehavin’” by Louis Armstrong, “My Ever Changing Moods” by the Style Council, “No Escape from the Blues” by Muddy Waters, and “Could It Be Forever” by David Cassidy.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

Social Media Accounts

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you Sciences Po University in Paris where a student has spoken out against the woke ideologies that are taking hold. Breitbart has the story which they picked up from Le Figaro.

Students at France’s prestigious Sciences Po University have expressed concern over the growth of radical, woke, anti-white ideologies largely imported from the United States.

Romain, a student at Sciences Po Paris, said that he and others have noticed a surge of people at the university backing… ideologies which oppose both “white supremacy” and criticise “white fragility”.

“There is such a clamour on the subject that one even wonders if it is not dangerous to talk about it, to alert people to what is going on,” he told French newspaper Le Figaro.

The university has also caused controversy on the issue after releasing a suggested list of 10 books that included How to Become Anti-Racist, by Ibrahim X. Kendi, an American author who claimed that white people who adopt black children might be “racist”.

“Some White colonisers ‘adopted” Black children. They ‘civilised’ these ‘savage’ children in the ‘superior’ ways of White people, while using them as props in their lifelong pictures of denial, while cutting the biological parents of these children out of the picture of humanity,” he said.

Another book suggested by Sciences Po was White Fragility, by white American author Robin DiAngelo. Last month it was revealed that DiAngelo was paid nearly double that of a black keynote speaker when she delivered her keynote speech at a diversity event hosted by the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

A group of students at Sciences Po called Beingblackatsciencespo made several demands last month, including mandatory courses for all students on “racial intersectionality, critical race theory, and decolonial thinking”.

According to Antonin Ferreira, a finance student and member of the University’s council, more and more teachers and students have recently promoted and defended woke ideologies.

Thomas Le Corre, the president of the Unef (National Union of Students of France) at Sciences Po, went even further, saying: “How can you want to work with people who tell you that because you are white, you do not have the right to participate in the discussion? That you cannot understand what black people are going through or those who have immigrant parents?”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Pub Group Greene King has announced that it is changing the names of four of its pubs, three called ‘The Black Boy’, in Bury St Edmunds, Sudbury and Shinfield, as well as the ‘Black’s Head’ in Wirksworth. The CEO said:

We have looked at pub deeds, consulted with colleagues and while the origins of these pub names are obscure what is clear is that there is a perception that they are linked with racism today and we want to make this positive change for the better.

“We know this is a decision that will attract a range of views and we’re conscious of the history and heritage of pub names. We’ve thought long and hard and feel this is the right thing to do as it is incredibly important to us that our pubs are warm and welcoming places for everyone as we continue on our journey to become a truly anti-racist organisation.

Stop Press 2: Writing in UnHerd, Douglas Murray has criticised Antifa and their efforts to get Andy NGO cancelled.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

Stop Press: Believe it or not, people are now wondering if two masks should be worn rather than one. Witness this recent story in the New York Times:

Football coaches do it. Presidents-elect do it. Even science-savvy senators do it. As cases of the coronavirus continue to surge on a global scale, some of the nation’s most prominent people have begun to double up on masks, a move that researchers say is increasingly being backed up by data.

Double-masking isn’t necessary for everyone. But for people with thin or flimsy face coverings, “if you combine multiple layers, you start achieving pretty high efficiencies” of blocking viruses from exiting and entering the airway, said Linsey Marr, an expert in virus transmission at Virginia Tech and an author on a recent commentary laying out the science behind mask-wearing.

Stop Press 2: The first case of face mask discrimination was resolved with £7,000 being paid to the claimant. Kester Disability Rights has the details.

A disabled woman assisted by Kester Disability Rights has been paid £7,000 in compensation by a service provider who refused her access to a service because she was unable to wear a face mask.

The pay-out was achieved through negotiation as there was no dispute that access had been denied, or that the Claimant had a disability exemption. The only thing to be agreed was the amount of compensation, not whether it was due or not. 

Refusing access to people unable to wear face coverings due to disability is direct discrimination – no different to denying access to a black or gay person for example.

Disabled people are now routinely harassed in public for not wearing face coverings – frequently given the impression that confidential medical information must be publicly disclosed to justify exemption. The fact that shops and hospitality businesses routinely display “no mask no entry” signs shows how deeply disablist attitudes are embedded in society. If premises displayed “no blacks” or “no gays” notices there would be outrage.

Fortunately the official Government position does not endorse any of this as nobody exempt from wearing a mask is expected to go around justifying themselves. Saying “I’m exempt” is enough. If the response to that can be proved to be discriminatory then compensation is due. 

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

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In Toby’s latest column in the Spectator he talks about his culinary problems. When schools closed last year, wife Caroline made sure the children were given lunch as well as supper, but she told Toby that in Lockdown 3 things would have to be different. Toby and his three sons have turned to meal kits from Gousto.

Caroline was pretty heroic during the first lockdown. She’s used to having no children to deal with between the hours of 8am and 4pm, into which she crams her part-time job, food shopping, exercise classes, tennis lessons, dog walks and a hundred other things. But during our children’s three-month break from school they would appear in the kitchen at 1pm and ask what was for lunch and, in spite of her other commitments, Caroline would always do her best to rustle something up. “I’m like Nigella Lawson on steroids,” she said at the time.

But she has drawn the line at repeating this Stakhanovite labour during the third lockdown. “I can handle everything, but not the cooking,” she said on the day that Boris announced it, with an air of finality. So the kids have been instructed to fend for themselves at lunchtime, with packets of bagels, ham, salami, lettuce and cheese left on the kitchen table, and we’re all mucking in when it comes to supper.

Not that we’re actually cooking anything from scratch. Rather, my three sons and I have become customers of Gousto, a company that delivers the raw ingredients for several meals in a box, complete with detailed instructions. It’s like a halfway house between a recipe book and a ready meal. You still have to cook everything, but there’s no weighing of ingredients and the fiddly bits for each meal are bundled together in a brown paper bag. It costs about £50 for four meals, which is pretty reasonable given that they can stretch to six people.

The instructions are supposed to be idiot-proof, but the company clearly didn’t envisage that anyone could be quite as incompetent as me. I have yet to cook a single Gousto meal correctly. One difficulty is that the recipes aren’t always in chronological order and you start off meticulously following the first instruction, only to discover when you get to the second that you should have begun with that one. So the chicken is already frying in the pan before you realise you should have marinated it first. The solution is to read the recipe in its entirety before you start – and to be fair, it tells you to do that at the top of the instructions. But obviously the Galloping Gourmet here imagines he’s above having to do that, hence the culinary car crashes.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

First

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

gab.com – free speech social media
https://gab.com/

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

I have used Gab for at least a year, but it is very slow now. Unfortunately their technical reputation is poor. But use it by all means.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

It was fast enough a month or so ago.
AFAIK the speed issues are down to millions of extra subscribers in less than a week.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Actually, to be fair, it is fine this morning.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

I cannot access Gab any more. It just hangs!

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Wikipedia says Gab is favoured by the far right and “widely described as a haven for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists.” Discuss.

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zacaway
zacaway
5 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

Great, sounds like I’ll fit right in there 😉

I think Wikipedia has become a haven of woke/lockdown zealotry fake news, so I no longer donate to them (used to regularly).

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  zacaway

I never have donated even though they keep telling me I should. Not likely to now. I recall they were pretty damning about the ERG during the Brexit wars. Not really striving too hard for intellectual objectivity, are they?

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Thanks for that link, rockoman. Pretty damning. Never really trusted their impartiality or factual accuracy. Certainly don’t now.

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Gtec
Gtec
5 years ago
Reply to  zacaway

Me too, I shall no longer donate either.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

Wikipedia is a haven for Far Left extremists, election fraudsters, corrupt Democrats and the CCP.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

The sort of people who were described as ‘subversive elements’ in the Soviet Union.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Get gabbing.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Congrats!

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago

COMING TO A LOCAL CINEMA NEAR YOU.

PANDEMIC IV. THE BRAZILIAN.

Of course, you won’t be able to see it, because all the cinemas are closed. You’ll just have to rely on the critics reactions to tell you how scary it is in the press.

Hancock, Whitty and Johnson will be appearing nightly with their thoughts and reviews. Furgusson reckons it will be a huge hit, reaching out to millions.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

bozo “do you think they’ll fall for ‘Mutant Covid From Outer Space’ ?”

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Delivered daily to a desert near you, by meteorite.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I saw several shooting stars last night. At least I thought they were shooting stars but I now reckon they must have been pods being scattered across the globe by evil aliens intent on the destruction of civilisation. Or perhaps to help world governments to do the job for them.

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

It’s beginning to sound like a series of Alistair Maclean thrillers…The Brazilian Variant, The South African Mutant, The Madagascan Strain, The Antarctic Conundrum…and so on. I mean there’s no end to how many mutant strains there could be and so no end to this nonsense as long as we have politicians who are scared of headlines, can’t think beyond the box they’re in and who only listen to a narrow band of opinion.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

The politicians aren’t scared, they knowing they are lying.

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John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I think they are both. But that’s just my opinion.

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Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

Good comment but I can’t give two votes of approval so this thumbs-up is mostly for your username.

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Skippy
Skippy
5 years ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

When we get to the playoffs between the Sussex Pangolin Superstars and the Berkshire ‘Rona Royals we’ll know the naming thing has gone too far!

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

I’ve read elsewhere that over 4000 variants have been identified in the UK alone ( I think it was Mike Yeadon?)

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

Covid 19, Mutant Ninja, South African, Brazilian (one of two). Am I up to speed?

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

You need to keep it real Boris. How about one that has been unleashed by the melting Antarctic ice?

Ooh, I like that one Patrick,. Fits in nicely with the climate change series. We can do a full cross over episode.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

And the one carried by the melting Arctic ice and helped on its way by El Niño and the Jetstream.

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Jinks
Jinks
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

Please don’t give them any more ideas! Though I’m sure this one is also in the pipeline to terrify the masses.

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

He is now abut to save the whales from the Japanese. You can see he has been full on brainwashed by nut Nuts. Hes worse than the other idiot Camoron now

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Woden
Woden
5 years ago
Reply to  iansn

What is wrong with saving whales?, Sea Shepherd have been heroically doing this for years

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago
Reply to  Woden

I wish somebody would save Wales. We’re all dying under Drakeford.

Ooops sorry, wrong whales.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Are we still with Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus 3 or 4?

The government has spun so many lies its hard to keep up.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I don’t keep up. I switched off about this time last year.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I have as well but with people still falling for the lies, one is forced to keep up.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

someone mentioned on here yesterday that all these new ‘variant’s UK, South Africa and Brazil are all countries where the Phizer trials were conducted.
Coincidence or causation we will never know, not one to be a conspiracy theorist or anything 🙂 but i found it rather interesting…

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dhpaul
dhpaul
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

Its an interesting point, it plants a suspicion in my mind certainly. But I don’t know how it could be proved or disproved.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

That’s where science begins. Asking questions and refining the questions. How might we prove vaccines help more than hinder? That’s where the science is aborted. Such studies are not funded, allowed or published. A belief in anything can be so forcefully cherished as to be protected from question, and fear of negative consequence provides the force, and the funding of allegiance and support. Our self-invested identities are a complex of such ‘beliefs’ and operate as invisible structures of presumed and defended ‘reality’. Those who question their ‘reality-experience’ are those whose masking persona has failed to hide or cover what lies beneath. The suppression and inhibition of fear and hate results from perceiving it as threat, and defends against ‘threat’ by masking over and projecting or diverting away from self-responsibility. Blame as redistribution of psychic energy, along with penalty of pain or exclusion. Maintaining defences must needs hold such hate as righteous or justified by grievance, and to this end, all that is of love is likewise perceived as threat to the capacity to protect a broken, wounded or betrayed ‘love’. The feelings and insights of love are thus equally perceived as threatening, treacherous, fickle and deceitful and thus demonised and… Read more »

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

Consider that IF such a malice was intended there are no checks or defences against it being carried out and assigned to wild mutations, and blamed on a lack of public zeal for self-destruction.

One can identify poliovirus in children that is a vaccination strain as distinct from ‘wild’. But under a Cartel Pharmasorcery – where is the means or the will to independent accountability and transparency?

The population is being normalised to constant threat as the basis for total control. Alex Thompson at UK Column started a series on the mind control process called disinformation by the then KGB. It will illuminate some sense of the mind as a targeted proxy for a destructive and coercive intent.

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J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

Careful now, we don’t want people thinking you’re a crazy ‘tin-hat conspiracy theorist!’ Get your mask back on. I want you on your doorstep banging pots every Thursday at 8pm!

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kpaulsmith1463
kpaulsmith1463
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

The distinguishing symptom of the Brazilian strain is that it makes all your pubic hair fall out.

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Templeton
Templeton
5 years ago
Reply to  kpaulsmith1463

Nice, I can stop manscaping now.

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  kpaulsmith1463

but with a landing strip in the middle.

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Skippy
Skippy
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

The Mexican Hairless is so definitely one to watch

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

There were over 77,000 variants worldwide in March 2020. There were over 300 in the UK. It is probably double that now.

http://preearth.net/pdfs/ids-cdate-sdate-name-country-mutations-77827.txt

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the main text about enhanced international travel restrictions and quarantines.

If the Government really thought Covid was an existential threat and that quarantine was an effective tool with which to fight it they would have commandeered the numerous large hotels around Heathrow and turned them into quarantine holding centres last March rather than allowing returnees to travel home on public transport, via Sainsbury’s, and then voluntarily self isolate.

This is all just more showing that something is being done.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Back in early January, when the government was first aware of the potential pandemic, it decided “on the scientific advice” not to secure the borders, This was stated publicly by a member of the Cabinet. Unfortunately, I cannot now recall which one.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Because Trump announced something similar it made it ‘racist’ to suggest such things.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Without the ‘bad cop’ the scam doesn’t operate.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Always easier to do something than nothing. Viruses like germs, diseases and bacteria are no respecters of borders.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

The idea that choosing to not act, is an absence of the presence of conscious communication is the reaction of a driven and coercive compulsion to DO SOMETHING. The latter is the means by which we choose to give up choice to a private and protected identity set in fear and attack. Most everything said about viruses represents a projection of such a human psycho-pathological set of conflicted ‘meanings’ (sic). The underlying psychic NEED to assign demonic or malign intent onto Life – and normalise it, is the unwillingness and perhaps unreadiness to own, face and live through fear as a transformative desire to heal. Instead, fear is fed with sacrifice of life and lives as if the power of protection in distancing, locking down and masking narrative by which to raise a parody of life from fear of death under blind ‘controls’ that can never have enough ‘control’. Once it passed its tipping point, the mask of virtue could no longer be maintained. It’s a death cult under mind control. Hence I listen in the heart for the movement of being that knows life by sharing it. The modelling mind can serve practical function. But to invest identity there… Read more »

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Just shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, this government are now out of ideas and running scared.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

The government isn’t scared. The government’s job is to make you scared, working on behalf of Bill Gates, the depopulator-in-chief. Now roll up your sleeve!

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

No one who walks the world in form but has fear striking at his breast. But the expression of fear called ‘control’ is mistaken for Power. Worshipping control is a death cult seeking power over feared Life. Making entertainment from fear is another way to limit and dissociate or distance from what we choose not to look on. That our choices can become conditioned reactions or normalised behaviourally set ‘thinking’ is a programming by the past upon the present so as to escape reliving a past trauma. The word trauma here is used for the psychic split and not any physical associations. Nor is it used to elicit sympathies of emotional reactions that play out private conflicts on others as if to use them for one’s own agenda as a paramount concern. If as would seem reasonable to assume, fear, is recognised as a tool of manipulation underlying a global collapse or power grab, then why are we not addressing fear in all its deceits? For the most part because fear runs the mind we think is ours alone, and that we protect as a private sense of control, by seeking social and perceptual reinforcements by which to seem to… Read more »

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Well they haven’t scared me! I’m just fed up with hearing about covid now. The whole thing is just looking like mass incompetence/bungling and politicians the world over are looking increasingly desperate. They fear the public rebelling. I believe they are scared of the public now as none of the measures like lockdowns, muzzles and social distancing have worked and now its glaringly obvious, hence the more ridiculous fear propaganda. Even those vaccines are useless (no one has ever successfully produced a vaccine for a coronavirus). Once people wake up and the dominoes fall they will have nowhere to hide. Even if Gates is behind covid (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t mean his plans would work, remember mother nature is above even him. Megalomaniacs never account for human nature, diversity in humanity, unintended consequences or chaos theory, that’s why they often lose in the end. For all his billions Gates isn’t immortal and has far more to lose then I have, given his age I’m sure he’ll be dead before me.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

I hope you’re right.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Not sure they’re scared. Playing for time, certainly.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Bolted, met a pretty mare, settled down, mated and had a foal.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Oh but did I really just read above the line the simpletons of sage say let’s use county borders to stop the spread. Build the wall, build the wall. I know arsehats like Pantsdown and Mitchie don’t leave London very often but we don’t exactly have marked Borders and checkpoints. One side of my street is one town the other side is another, we get different bin days. Would I now be shot crossing the road to put out the rubbish for the old lady opposite? What makes a good business? One where there is no one division that’s all powerful. If accounts gets too strong all brilliant innovation gets stymied as they can’t see the big picture. If engineers are in charge you go down rabbit holes to push the design to its limit and can’t see the cost. Our Firm Mother Britain is run currently by the health and safety’s supposed scientific dogma. They care nothing about cost because lives need to be saved. They think if one mask is good, two must be better. All deaths like accidents are preventable because we can learn to control the virus. But the most critical thing is all deaths MUST… Read more »

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

We could build a wall around the inside of the M25. Wall off those Londoners .

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the main text, Steerpike thinks you might get away with a two or three day break without a test or quarantine.
Nah, plod will arrest you for breaking the ‘spirit of the law’ which is their way of saying the law is what we say it is.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Laws, rules, guidance and now the even vaguer, “spirit” of lockdown. Simples to understand!

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Working towards the Führer.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

As you said yesterday Annie, you can go out to exercise but stay home?

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kpaulsmith1463
kpaulsmith1463
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

The Spirit of Lockdown ~ there’s one Ebeneezer would have APPROVED of!

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Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I can’t see the point in this- how much fun would it be tearing to another country just to see more masks, closed shops etc?

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nickbowes
nickbowes
5 years ago

Apparently restaurants /shops are opening up in Italy in defiance of these fascistic “rules” – time for massive public middle finger to the clown boris and his “two ronnies of doom”.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

They could have done it any time. They’ve preferred to dig their own graves.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Kh, I don’t know where you get your boundless stores of energy and courage. When all this is over they should put up a statue to you. Maybe not in zombie SW, but in some sort of sceptics’ Garden of Honour.

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

And I bet none of your regulars have croaked it either due to COVID in all this time? What a fucking joke of a Pandemic this is?

Like Annie I don’t know how you do it, an inspiration!

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  JHUNTZ

Yes, I’m sure you contributed to that century.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

You’re my hero!

As I’ve written here before, I am sure you are going to come out of this ok, bumpy though it might be at the moment. In time it will be known that you and your cafe stood out against this, and you will get the credit for it – your cafe will have a kudos and credibility that people naturally want to be associated with.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Very few of us if any, will come out of this okay, that’s not in their script. All that now matters is making sure that we do the right thing until the very end. Conforming with the pig dictator’s restrictions will not work as they really do want rid of all of us.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I remain confident that all will come all right in the end, although we’ll all have been disadvantaged to some degree by these events. As you say, the most important thing – win or lose- is to do the right thing to the end.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I would be happy to support any business that opened in defiance of this crap. I would also be happy to get physical with any covid marshalls who tried to man handle me too.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

If any rebel restaurants open in our town in defiance of the lockdown I’d be having a meal out tonight!

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Postman’s Park perhaps? The Watts Memorial to Heroic Self-Sacrifice, worth a visit. Metaphorical self-sacrifice in this case of course!

http://www.wattsmemorial.org.uk/

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Please open a crowdfunding page in case of legal action. I will contribute.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

ditto

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Me too

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  Janette

And me.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

And me.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

KBO, kh!!! You’ve been an inspiration and you have more balls than the major businesses put together.

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Marg
Marg
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I think the timing had to be right for customers to have the confidence to use the restaurants. I think if Wetherspoons and other multi National outlets get a plan it would encourage the independent ones to follow suit. In numbers not a lot could be done to stop them.

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Marg

I don’t see Tim risking losing his license. He already has financial backing to survive the lockdown due to this size. They will operate a risk averse policy.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

If it even goes as far as court. Too many of our “public servants” are behaving like power crazed gauleiters.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Go for it.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Good for them – ie that they’ve managed to get up a “head of steam” sufficient that there’s enough of them to do this. It is difficult to decide to do something, have a lot of people say they are in agreement with you and, when push comes to shove and you turn round and look for the supporting troups = there they were gone, because they’d wimped out. So it’s good that there’s a large enough group of them to account for the wimps.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

The Nuremberg Code (1947) Permissible Medical Experiments 1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. 4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury. 6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved… Read more »

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Yep i’d say they’ve breached those ethics.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Ah, but it’s not an experiment, it’s The Only Way To Save Mankind And Bozo’s Arse.
Well worth the trifling collateral damage.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It’s never been done before, so the results are an unknown, in my book that’s an experiment ; -)

Of course if Boris suggests he knows the outcome then i’ve several other human rights violations to throw at him.

You know why they’ve been coy about cost/risk analysis don’t ya?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

An experiment is a scientific procedure. It is not just doing stuff without knowing.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

That’s not making Boris’s defence any stronger.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

You know why they’ve been coy about cost/risk analysis don’t ya?

Either:

a) They’ve not done it

b) They’ve done it, but the result doesn’t fit the fascists’ narrative.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

c) They’ve done it and daren’t tell us about the results!

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The only reason the government are so keen on these vaccines is because they see it as the only way to get themselves out of the massive pile of poo they themselves created. They know they are up the creak without a paddle.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

The vaccines and the especially the “health passport” back to “freedom” are the sweeties to coax the masses into accepting them. I just wish that all those I’ve spoken to, who think in that way, would think another way and realise that the joys of our previous life they think will be waiting for them, will be unable survive the economic slaughter, that the vaccine itself offers little immunity or protection from transmission, and all these restriction are going nowhere (as stated by the Two Ronnies of Doom) There is talk that they’ll continually want pump the thing into us twice yearly. This is all in the MSM but most people haven’t even absorbed any of this info, they don’t hear it, they have such cognitive dissonance now they only hear what they want to hear.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I wouldn’t worry about a “health passport”, this lot can’t even get a test and trace app to work, wasting £12 billion in the process. I doubt much will come of it. Politicians in general are actually quite thick. All of the covid strategy (including the vaccines) have been an epic fail.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Would that mean obese people would not be allowed to fly too? High risk and all that?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

That idea would never get off the ground.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Fat chance.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

I agree. As each day goes by I see it all falling apart, bit by tiny bit. I actually believe many have just switched off, lockdownista’s and sceptics alike. They’re following the rules as they see fit, interpreting them their way, fighting with those who disagree, doing the government’s dirty work for them. But generally the government’s threats have become so numerous, so hysterical, so desperate it seems that most people just don’t want to hear any more. It all becoming boring and old. Look at how many have revoked their TV licence in the last year.

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Nottheonly1
Nottheonly1
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

There are means to stop the biggest machines with the smallest grains of sand – provided one knows where to add them. A sort of Dave’s sand versus Goliath’s fascist machine. However, looking into the sky here, it is obvious that the same people that gave the world the plandemic are also fumigating us from above. It is insane, because nobody here looks up into the sky. Too busy doing what’s upping on their smarter than them phones.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

A 0.1% commission on £12 billion is £12 million. Cascade that through layers of middlemen and lots of people can do quite well out of this.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Or as Peter Hitchins says constantly, the other option is to say, sorry! we fucked up, its not as severe as we were told and you most likely won’t die. Protect the vulnerable and all go back to normal. The Chuckle brothers have resigned and I have fired the communist party formerly known as SAGE. We have formed a new group called GUOTM (get us out this mess)
That would work. It would not placate the lockdown Karen’s but who cares about them, its your party wear a mask if you want to.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

If our government had any honour they would do just that, apologise, admit mistakes and lift all the measures as they have all failed but they are so far in the shit they won’t as they are facing economic ruin and massive social problems of their own making.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

They control the official numbers, so no apologies would be necessary.
Just spend a couple of weeks telling us it’s ending spectacularly quickly and declare triumphant victory for “The Science”

Instead, they’re discrediting the LFT in favour of the +ve -generating PCR. Go figure.

They haven’t f*cked up.
This was never about a virus and it has SFA to do with saving the NHS’ arse.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

The real target is NERVTAG. They provide ‘the science’ ©®(Pat Pnd) to SAGE. Remember Ferguson being caught trousers down (metaphorically) and being kicked off SAGE as a punishment? Well he is, and always has been, on NERVTAG, and is busy modelling away as normal. NERVTAG minutes show it is anticipating a Public Inquiry so members have been supplied with a ducoment regarding documentary evidence. The actual document isn’t public (as far as I am aware).

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

They could even say the virus is now not as virulent so we can ease restrictions. Which us probably true, but it doesn’t need to be true for the government to use it as a ploy to get out of their mess.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago

This is heartbreaking. Sad too her family didn’t seem to realise there is a higher moral law when it came to helping the poor woman.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/tributes-paid-loving-loyal-mum-23328818

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

And whose hands is this poor, poor girl’s blood on?

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Jinks
Jinks
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Apart from the poor little lad, all of them!

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago

Wonderful to see videos emerging from Italy following the #IoApro (#IOpen) movement which saw 50,000 restaurants open despite government restrictions. For those with Twitter, @robinmonotti has been providing the updates. My favourite clip was of police being heckled in a restaurant by customers, the translation of their fury along the lines of “GET OUT! We pay your wages! You work for us! GET OUT!!”

This is a truly fantastic development by all accounts, a number of the restaurants looked very well attended, showing that this kind of mass civil disobedience is winning hearts and minds across the continent. Clearly our disgraceful mainstream media would never dare to cover such a dangerous movement, but I feel that they may have no choice as this unique dissent sweeps across Europe.

The virus of non-compliance is more terrifying to the government than any strain of Covid-19. Its spread cannot be modelled. It can engulf whole cities in days. It can only be suppressed by brutal authoritarianism, which will light the touch paper for civil unrest.

There will be many sleepless nights in Westminster over the coming weeks.

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Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Italy led Europe into this lock down mess. Our fault that we followed though.

Italy leads us out.

I love Italians.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

Let’s all toast them in a large glass of Italian wine, or grappa, or a plate of pasta, or whatever.
Wales has loads of families of Italian origin, many of them working in catering etc. It would be wonderful if they could follow the example of their original home country, where I think most of them still have close ties.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Ironically the parents and grandparents of most Italian-British people I know came here in the 1920’s, fleeing fascism.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I lived in Scotland and come across loads of people of Italian ancestry. They tend to be represented in hospitality and catering too.

Many of them ironically were descended from those whose final destination was America but they ran out of funds to continue their journey so instead they settled in the UK.

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Colin
Colin
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Valvona. Crolla. Contini. Codona….They made their mark!

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Nottheonly1
Nottheonly1
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Espresso with a shot Amaretto will do nicely, too.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

The Italians et al just copied the original lockdown gangstas – the CCP. Chilling.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

a Xi op?

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Interesting too, that Cuomo is finally beginning to u turn. Have the mob been flexing their muscles?

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

And in California I believe. Hopefully the virus of opening up everything again will spread fast.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

The ‘rona will magically disappear after 20th January. All massively hyped with crazy lockdowns by Democrat governors hoping to gain favour with hierarchy in order to remove Bad Orange Man.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

In your dreams.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Nope, its standard SJW stuff, remember when Drumpf was wascist for stopping flights from China and Cuomo was hugging Chinese?
Now they think Drumpf is gone, they can change their tune.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I think its because all New York businesses are moving to Florid. Same in Cali everyone is leaving. Unfortunately not an option for us. The Governor of Florida has been awesome. Took the GBD advice and just opened up. HERO!

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

No. This whole virus insanity was purely to get any head of state out that wasn’t on board with the NWO. Like Trump for instance. Now that we’re a few days away from having globalist puppet Biden installed through the massive election fraud, the virus is no longer relevant it’s accomplished what it was intended for 😶

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Italian restaurant in full swing here:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1350245872920047617

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

I’ve been tweeting the Federation of Small Businesses and British Chambers of Commerce for weeks concerning something similar. Silence from them.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

That’s disappointing

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I’ll retweet the posting of the Italian restaurant to them. Let’s all do it and shame them.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

So true, like all bodies like this when things are going great we go along happily. When you are needed to represent all businesses and make a stand you are pathetic. If there was a yearly amount I had to pay to keep in thus confederation, I would be cancelling this right now.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Thanks for posting that. It gives me great hope. We need to do this in England.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

great to see people having a good night out with food and friends!!
Go Italy!!!!

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dhpaul
dhpaul
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

What exactly is the basis of the local council’s threatened action?

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dhpaul
dhpaul
5 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

I’m not a lawyer but can’t see how you have any responsibility for where your customers consume items bought on your premises for takeaway.

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

I don’t see how an assumption of ‘encouraging’ has any basis in law, its like they are reading the guidance and in their heads that’s law. You’d best ask for everything in writing from them any time they accuse you of something. I had them call my shop during first lockdown and accuse me of being open. There evidence was I answered the phone! They made many silent calls from mobile numbers. I have an IP phone which forwards to my mobile . I told her (I was incandescent by this point) I was at home and there are modern telecoms that permit such things. I properly informed her that everything is on CCTV and anyone making accusations better have some proper evidence as I had all the evidence I need. She asked my if I could forward her the video by email! When I told her it was several hundred gigabytes, she didnt really seem to understand that email is not the way to do this. I asked her who had informed on us, it seems it might have been the physio around the corner(who was permitted to open they offer the same treatments as us but there are… Read more »

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Keep doing what you are doing, if you are in any breach of routine restaurant stuff be careful, but if its just covid shit tell them to fuck off. Record it so you can show it is bs from jobsworths. They wont be happy if you record it and hopefully they’ll see you are not taking it and then fuck right off.
Keep the faith KH you are doing a great job.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

I have been walking into town (permitted exercise), buying a coffee and bun, then sitting on benches in the cathedral gounds (permitted open space) then continuing the walk.. So have many others. There were about 12 large benches. This week, they all been been removed by cathedral jobsworths. Everyone I spoke to caught out by the removal regarded it as a totally pathetic action.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Garoo

Disgraceful! Thinking of disabled, infirm, pregnant, etc, is that discriminatory?

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Should we all contact Wetherspoons and ask them to lead the charge in the UK?

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Good idea. I’m making another pot of coffee then I’ll contact everyone i can on twitter.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Anyone who has an alcohol license would lose it so not worth it.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

This one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm8_RvQdBIs

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Westminster is probably hoping that our hospitality industry – bankrupt, beaten and cowed would not fight back.

I wouldn’t bet on that if I were them.

Bullied, beaten and cowed people will break at some point and when they do they will realise they have nothing to lose by fighting back.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Go Italy! Let rebellion commence.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

“The virus of non-compliance…”

I like that! The Italian restaurant movement is the most encouraging news I’ve seen recently…

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

👏👍✅✅

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

The whole lockdown etc is just one big bluff. All it needs to blow the pack of cardsd away if for people to get together and say enough is enough.

We don’t kill grannies, vaccines do.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Garoo

Absolutely, just reopen everything and break the lockdown with force of numbers. That looks like what is starting to happen on the continent. If everyone did it there is nothing the government can do.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

We know that even Prof Pantsdown was taken aback by the craven compliance that characterised the first lockdown. They knew then, and they know now, that if there is mass resistance there will be nothing they can do about it. Hence the current reliance on the Mutant Terror Virus(es). Gotta keep the zombies scared.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
5 years ago

Really guys?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/15/deputy-chief-medical-officer-predicts-regular-vaccines-brits-choosing-mask-forever/

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

I do think there are a lot of people who are now wedded to the idea of wearing a mask and will not feel safe without one. But I also notice that many, men especially are very conscious that masks are a bit effete and not macho and if one person takes their mask off they all will. If we ever get to that stage it will be interesting to see how it goes.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I have a nasty feeling that churchgoers, for a start, will be welded, rather than wedded, to their masks, meaning that I shall never be able to go to church ever again.
And how many zombies have been so imbued with the idea that Other People Are Death that they will never again attend any sort of collective event?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Two headlines in todays Local Live

1. Covid cases reducing in all areas of the Region
2. Cathedral closes its doors to worshippers.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Most clergy are essentially civil servants – genuine religious believers are more likely to think even a more deadly virus than Covid is nothing as compared to eternity.
Cowardice is generally accounted a sin, even if they attempt to dress it up as concern not to spread the virus to others.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Things are not always as they seem.

A friend told me he was frustrated at the platitudes being repeatedly voiced at his church prayer meeting. He decided to read out a poem which told about the suffering caused by lockdown. Some people were in tears.

The vicar subsequently contacted him to thank him, but he also explained that his son had made two recent suicide attempts.

Sometimes the vicar is the loneliest man in the parish.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Very sorry to hear about that vicar and his son. That’s the sort of incident that makes me angry.

The CoE hierarchy has betrayed its flock and surely those on the ground (vicars, vergers) know this.

If they do they should fight back. If they don’t then they’re complicit in this betrayal.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Our vicar remarked last week it saddened her not to see her congregation’s faces. She is fine with me and another lady having exemptions.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

You would have thought that if their god wanted them to wear masks, it would have been mandated in their religious book.

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Fig leaves represent covering over a sense of self-lack conflict and shame. God can be represented to those who don’t think in such terms as nakedness to an intimacy of being. Nothing added, nothing taken away. But to a masking mind God is distanced, locked down and masked. There is no truth in the masking mind of fig-leaf thinking – but what we choose to give. The adage of ‘Give unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar and give unto God what is due unto God’ is applicable to a fundamental choice that did not exist until the choice for masking or hiding from God, remade all things in our own image. What is not apparent in mythic representation is the terror that arose from self-hatred and shame. If God mandated coercively, there would be no free will. Hence under a false god of tyranny under fear and deceit free will is denied and replaced by ‘granted freedoms’ for compliance to arbitrary and shifting ‘rules’ or ‘moral guidances’. Fear inherently misinterprets everything, including Scriptures of true teachings, insights and inspired thought and endeavour. Fear cannot be separated from self-doubt and division. The attempt to become certain by acting as if to… Read more »

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Binra
Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Masking in virtue is a theme for self-awareness.
The faking of love in love’s name has run its course.
Jesus speaks to our condition – not to the ‘mask’ of a self and world seeking to save itself from fear.
Though is seems to be a Satanic or blind persecution, it – as with Job or Jesus – serves a higher purpose unknowing.
Instead of ‘zombies’ try, the poor who are dispossessed even by the little they have.

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I am sorry masks will come off the moment they retreat and those left will be slagged rotten. They are a fucking joke and people will be reminded as much if the government boot is ever relinuished.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  JHUNTZ

I agree. The moment they loosen up, most people will stop wearing those things.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

And those who carry on wearing them will be ridiculed and taken the piss of.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I take the piss out of people wearing them anyway. They look utterly stupid, especially in the cold rainy weather!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Especially those men wearing muzzles with “ditsy” and “cute” fabrics. They look like a maroon.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  JHUNTZ

Not everyone objects to muzzles

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Apologies for ridiculous url.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I think it won’t be long before people realise that mask-wearing is actually doing potential damage to their health. Many are being told by their doctors to not wear them because they’ve caused bacterial infections, thrush, skin and dental problems, not to mention aggravating conditions like Asthma and COPD. I see people in filthy, wet face naps, in the pouring rain, breathing in constantly all the mould spores, bacteria, pollution and also, the minute particles from their mask fabric. Nearly all the mask wearers I know have been getting colds (and sending off or going for tests, and surprise, surprise, testing positive!)

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Totally agree, those masks are dangerous.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  FarBeyondDrivenDevil

Masks are perfectly harmless

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except when they are not.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Garoo

The camera doesn’t lie

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ken Garoo

You are being disingenuous here. Medics wear masks that are much more tightly fitted and for longer durations than someone just doing their shopping. These sorts of injuries are to be expected but they are not injuries that you will see amongst non-medics.

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Nottheonly1
Nottheonly1
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

One should not discount that this is absolutely intentional. Mandatory masks to ruin the health of those wearing it. My problem here is that there are no exemptions here. Just like there are no disabled people. As a foreigner, I am treated with contempt in the first place. The largest supermarket has armed guards enforcing masks at the entrance. Observing elderly people wearing their face diapers at 30°C while riding their bike is an image to endure.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Many may well choose to continue to wear a mask, and that is their choice. But any who try to moralise to the rest of us, will need regular reminders that slaves can only speak to the free after being granted permission.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Anyone who still tries to lecture me after this shit show is over will feel the force of my tongue or heaven forbid my fist.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think once this is over the country will just go into a covid mass denial just like in post war Germany over the Nazis.

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Crimson Avenger
Crimson Avenger
5 years ago

This has gone on long enough and it’s just getting more and more absurd.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Crimson Avenger

It is also getting more nasty. It has now gone on so long and many have invested so much of their credibility in this hoo-haa that they now have too much to loose to give up now and so they are doing all they can to keep the show on the road.
The news this morning was wittering on about hospital ICU units being full of young people in their 30s and 40s seriously ill with covid and fighting for their lives. No mention of numbers, details, data, just yet more anecdotal stuff to keep the scare stories moving along.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yes, it’s nastier. But the essential dynamic of the regime digging deeper in its hole in the hope of getting to Australia, saving face at all costs, has not changed in nine months. It’s quite boring, and I don’t see the force that will move it on.

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I wonder how many of those young people are in ICUs with stuff like bronchial pneumonia through non stop mask wearing?

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Jinks
Jinks
5 years ago
Reply to  Crimson Avenger

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9153427/Boy-12-took-life-bedroom-hours-telling-mother-loved-her.html#article-9153427

People who support these measures, should be shown stories if the victims like this poor boy, who’ve been murdered, by this tyranny

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Yesterday Jeremy Vine was worrying about a reported significant decline in the population of London which is apparently a bit of a mystery.

Al Jazeera has the answer.

So on top of the millions now on the dole we can add another million people who have lost their jobs and returned home abroad.
Some may think this a good thing, I do not since I recall a Sidmouth hotel manager telling me twenty years ago that the hospitality industry would be f*cked without foreign workers.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

What hospitality industry?

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A possible by-product of Brexit?

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nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago

Interesting the Unherd article, apart from the nonsense about wearing face muzzles of course. Clearly this information hasn’t reached Billy Whitty, who I believe was back to warning of the danger of collecting the CCP Virus off surfaces last night. It was Billy’s lies in his attempts to prolong the misery and damage of the first lockdown that made me a sceptic. In my office persuading the staff this surface spread was bogus and regular getting windows open was far more important took a bit of work but seemed obvious. The clear failings of people trained in the NHS to see and promote this must be one of the main reasons the UK CCP Virus performance is so dire and spread in NHS settings is so rife. Does everybody there slavishly follow the words of Billy Whitty, if so we are doomed, even to the layman the guy is full of deception. What I would like to see is more emphasis on how little the risk is of virus contagion outside, even possibly in crowds (BLM protests). I feel maybe such study would show the folly of Billy’s stay indoors message. That we haven’t a single senior politician who has… Read more »

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

You must open your windows to let in the life-saving fresh air, but you mustn’t go outside because it’s dangerous.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

I saw some weird posts on Twitter, one claiming they caught covid on a woodland walk, another during a 45-minute chat in a field 6 foot apart on a windy day! Personally, I trust fresh air for keeping bugs at bay as my parents were told that when I was a sickly child. I believe good ventilation in shops and hospitals and workplaces would do way more good than the current measures.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Amazing, you have been indoors all day and you can identify the exact moment you caught it. Does it come up on your fitbit as you were outside? Jesus people are fucking stupid just to get a few clicks on twitter!

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

“Regularly getting the windows open” would be a problem to a lot of us. I know I’ve missed out on quite a lot of social events I would have otherwise attended since Lockdown first started – because I was worried that some rule-abider/fearful would open the windows even if it was too cold to do so. Hence I’d land up being cold because of that person – so I avoided going altogether because “there’s always one…..” and I would have certainly fallen out with them because of them not caring about me freezing. That “one” has been responsible for a lot of my missing social life (and I live on my own…so I need it).

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

I don’t follow your logic here, or is this satirical?
Do you have Reynaud’s syndrome?
If not, is there a good reason why you can’t just take an extra layer, just in case? I think it unreasonable to blame the fresh-air freaks for your potential discomfort.
Rather precious!

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danny
danny
5 years ago

The UK seems to mixed their traditional “mustn’t grumble” stoicism (what can you do? Just accept all this) with abject terror and self interest (no matter how small the risk or the cost to lives, nobody is coming near me).
Hard to see an Italian style collective pushback or French style mass protest here. Even the US are more motivated in terms of civil liberties than the UK.
I think we will be locking down, banning family visits and crippling the economy, in masks, long after the rest of the world has called it quits.

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Puddleglum
Puddleglum
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Are the mask wearers out for a walk in the countryside showing super scientific recognition that the virus is spread on the air and can travel for miles?

If this is the case, how come they haven’t done the maths and worked out that their mask is about as much as a deterrant to a virus as chicken wire to a mosquito?

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Andrew K
Andrew K
5 years ago
Reply to  Puddleglum

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/pdf/jhyg00082-0026.pdf 
An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

17 weeks of isolation and processed food would make the most robust immune system wobble. The bugs are always there, it’s just whether you’re fit enough to deal with them, or not.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The pain is working its way up. It’ll get there.
Just hard to predict when, but it’ll get there.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The lockdown restrictions specifically do not apply to the sky or the UK’s territorial waters. So if one has one’s own boat or plane, one can ignore all the restrictions.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

If it is any consolation, I share your despise of the sanctimonious, self-righteous lockdown freaks who lecture about people not following the rules and calling for everyone to just comply so “we can get past this”.

They are so spectacularly up their own well covered arses they don’t for minute consider the possibility that the virus is unsuppressable.

They are mental midgets who think that the solution to the problem is obedience.

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Marg
Marg
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Worse are the ones that berate the public, yet believe the rules don’t apply to them, Piers Morgan, Dr Shilary to name but 2.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Agree. And when this is over, they will try to gloss over their complicity in this shit show and try to pretend nothing happened. Like school bullies who try to reach out on anti-social media or during school reunions.

It will be our scared duty to remind them forever of their part in this. They should never be allowed to get away in their part of inflicting misery on other people in the name of “safety”

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Watch mass deleting of pro lockdown and mask passages on social media followed by mass denial.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

We all have to make sure that we keep calling out those who think they are in positions of power etc every time we spot hypocrisy on their part. It’s not one rule for them and another for us.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The well cushioned will follow suit at some point. There’s no way they can escape the looming economic Armageddon.

And there’s also the wake up call when they or hubby/wifey get sick like with cancer, they’re put back at number 800,000 in the queue and their beloved NHS won’t see to them until 2023!

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

I think economic factors will soon kick them out of their slumber.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

I think its because there is nowhere where I can join the cause to show my disagreement. In brexit you had two sides with clearly defined views. Marches were arranged, t-shirts sold, views expressed and debated in the msm. But what do we have. None of my friends/family believe this government bullshit. I only know of one couple who are believers. BUT! I don’t see any debate. The rallying points have all been shut down, there is only one point of view expressed on msm. Doctors and nurses are silenced. The news can say hospital full of young people and nobody can challenge this. Covid Karen’s rule the put your fucking mask on debate. There are no two opinion debates on the bbc or gmb only finger wagging lectures on following the government narrative. You cannot push back against the tide, you can build a wall to stop the tide but you cannot do this alone. If it wasn’t for this site allowing me to air my views I don’t know where I would be. So thanks to all of you for helping me stay sane. I wrote a song about depression called the Dark a few years ago, the… Read more »

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

The Rapists Dad and Sadist in Chief of Wales has introduced new shopping laws

The old and sick will now be required to stand in lines outside shops for hours on end before they can collect their rations

Good thing it’s not January

The numbers for respiratory illness must be kept up at all costs if the May elections are to be cancelled

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago

Go Switzerland! Vote down this lockdown nonsense!

i am interviewing for a job there this week. If I get it, I ain’t never coming back to this shit show.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Is it a fair election though if one side of the argument has been free access to use psyops on the electorate for the past year? Maybe hasn’t happened in Switzerland but I know it has in some countries.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

lucky you. anyone who has any chance to get out should definitely take it. trouble is, there aren’t that many places to go

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Old Bill
Old Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

+1

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

What’s the job if you don’t mind me asking? I’m already looking for any avenues out of here.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Good luck with the job interview!!!

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Good luck. Hope it goes G R E A T!

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danny
danny
5 years ago

What I read from the latest news conference last night is that they know the public is not with them this time. Compare demand for school places in April then now, traffic, shops deeming themselves “essential”, just general footfall in parks etc. The MSM is full everyday of abuses by the police and overreach. No clapping for the NHS, no heartwarming stories of taking up hobbies and “all in it together”. Even Joe Wicks has started farting on screen during his feel good chinese state style daily exercises.
Point is, no matter how exasperated we feel, we must recognise the difference this time around. And like a teacher with no power over an increasingly rowdy class, Boris has seen everyone getting out of their chairs and grandly declared “ok kids, I’ve decided that you can get out of your chairs now, so up you get.”

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

I agree. Regimes becoming more abusive, draconian and unreasonable are a sign of revolt, not of compliance.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Yes, and the unrest will only grow stronger as we move into spring, better weather, the over 70s jabbed, and still people are not allowed to see grandma or go to the pub. However, I fear that what will become a deafening plea to open up will be ignored, barring some minor concessions. Tier 2 all year for most of us from April onwards.

You’re right, though. Many people I know at work who have been ultra-compliant or unquestioning are reaching the limits of endurance. For all that Johnson has erred in so many ways, I do sense that even though SAGE (plus Hancock and Gove) will have been begging him to go further (curfews, outdoor masking and cutting the “rule of two” for exercise would have been the obvious things) he recognises that going further is going to cut no ice with the weary public.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

I have a feeling this will all break down in the next month or two. For example, now there is a £7000 quid fine for enforcing mask wearing on those who deem themselves exempt. It may not be a case in law, but it can quickly become one in the public conscious.

This sets the flood gates for compensation claims for other things such as PCR testing and mask wearing ailments.

I feel sorry for medical staff in that wearing a mask in a hospital can be seen to be within the bounds of infection control. Even though I disagree with its efficacy and think its virtue signalling by management. In shops and other places though, it’s plain daft.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000

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FarBeyondDrivenDevil
FarBeyondDrivenDevil
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Good, the coming lawsuits are going to cripple the government.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Agree. The fact that supermarkets after being challenged by fellow sceptics here and those of Twitter have been backpedalling shows they haven’t got a leg to stand on and have been thrown under the bus by the government.

As that Disability Rights press release has stated “no mask no entry” is akin to displaying a sign saying “no blacks” or “no gays.” Imagine the outcry if that was the case.

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

From our local paper (happened even before Morrisons tightened their rules):
https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/19011694.morrisons-bracknell-disabled-man-exempt-wearing-face-mask-kicked-store/

“However the guard reportedly dismissed this and said the gov.uk website was ‘fake news’.”

Article fairly neutral but the solitary comment shows the mentality of the herd.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The cracks are becoming bigger and people are getting fed up.

Whilst I was lucky to have survived hanging on to my job, I realise that others are not so fortunate and the longer this goes on, we’ll hear more about job losses and bankruptcies. Of course keeping my job is a Pyrrhic victory as we’re still shut, the best way is to open up without restrictions but my workplace can’t afford to break ranks.

The likes of Mexico, Italy, Poland and now Switzerland are showing what happens when the public has had enough. As I said here on New Year’s Day, things are going to get ugly and will get even uglier as the weeks go by. I do foresee either mass civil disobedience or rioting at some point.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Congrats on retaining your job. You mentioned before that your colleagues were all for the lockdowns etc – do you know if this opinion/mood has changed now that reality has hit some and will be redundant?

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago

On Toby’s spat with Ipso: saying that the science changes every day on viruses is horseshit. It changes extremely slowly. What you are seeing are hypotheses being thrown out and the media latching onto these. No random controlled tests, or even good empirical studies.. Just models and correlations, what-ifs and the Precautionary Principle. Toby was correct about T-cell immunity as this has been basic understanding for decades at least. He’s still correct today. They are the ones who have to provide evidence for their claims not the other way round. What we are seeing is reporting and measurement being fiddled to suit an agenda. The dumb thing is that it’s obvious to anyone who cares to look. And it’s glaring obvious that any of these stupid measures have any effect whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. Another thing is the section about liabilty is spot on. Everytime you brake in a car it has the potential to cause an accident somewhere in the traffic chain. Do we make people liable for this now? Also saying A can transfer asymptomatically is again horseshit. This has never been the case nor has it been what the models use either. This is… Read more »

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

I really don’t get it: so Toby Young got some science wrong, well so what? he’s not a scientist, if people choose to take him as an authority on science that’s their problem. In the free market place of ideas, anyone should be able to pontificate on whatever subject they choose, and the principle of ‘caveat emptor’ should govern who you choose to listen to. It seems like just an excuse to censor and censure any resistance to the relentless propaganda which is holding up this monumental hoax

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

I agree fully with @mhcp’s first sentence. I still fail to see what science Toby did get wrong. Toby put forward the longstanding scientific arguments about the characteristics of (all) viruses which were accepted by most mainstream scientists in that field, within the parameters of normal scientific research and debate.

It is the scientists leading the recent change of interpretation of viral ‘behaviour’ with regard to SARS CoV2, and who are thereby challenging mainstream science, who should be regarded as being outside the box and asked to explain the radical scientific interpretations that they are applying.

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Martin Sewell
Martin Sewell
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Technically, the herd immunity threshold is reached when, if the population had zero infections and a small number of infections were introduced, zero infections is a stable equilibrium. By definition, at the peak of the epidemic curve, the effective reproduction number passed through 1.0, implying that the number of infections was shrinking. One could argue that it is possible that the herd immunity threshold was reached at the peak of the epidemic curve, but was not sufficient to prevent COVID-19 from transitioning into an endemic seasonal virus.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago

The Chinese are just trolling us with their hazmat suited students.

They’ve set it up and released the footage to see if the crazy Europeans and Americans will copy this stunt too.

Expect Chinese companies offering mass production of hazmat suits for schools…

And the way the general population are acting, in a state of fevered panic, they might just go for it.

Anything is possible at this point.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

My local fish and chip shop will be only too willing to dtich the “No mask ? No food” for “No hazmat suit? No Food”.
The nearby sandwich shop will have a sanctimonious poster with “Why I wear a hazmat suit”,
Both on the boycott forever list.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yep, all the nonsense originates from the CCP …

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago

EYEWITNESS REPORT – NURSE EXPLAINS THE CORRUPTION TAKING PLACE IN HER HOSPITAL
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CcFNETlslAyW/

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

‘As logically it must: pile enough men over the top and in the end numbers win.’

That was the German method and their offensive of 1918 very nearly succeeded.

But they were held and then, at the Battle of Amiens, the new wonder weapon, the Tank, finally deployed, as it should always have been, ‘en masse’, achieved a significant breakthrough on a narrow front at a propitious area of weakness (perfected during the Second World War as ‘Blitzkrieg’ by the German Army, all arms battlegroups combined with close air support, Divisional Commanders well forward).

And the rest is history. The Tank was one of Churchill’s most brilliant interventions, created, as it was, by Admiralty funding signed off by Churchill as First Lord of the Admiralty.

The mass procurement of vaccines could be construed as the present Prime Minister’s ‘Tank’ moment but Churchill’s First World War record is better remembered for Gallipoli, the disaster of the Dardanelles. The thousands of care home deaths April/May 2020 should most certainly cast a similar pall on the reputations of the key government protagonists when the history books are written.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Nah, the vaccines are going to be a gigantic bust as far as stopping PCR detected infections. (Fantastic for the big pharma as corona vaccines are set to become a second seasonal flu jab).

The WWI analogies are spot on as far as the madness of the strategists goes. But that’s as far as the analogy will hold, I think. There are no closely matched rivals here. Every country is Germany on this one and will eventually drop from economic, mental and moral exhaustion.

Impossible to predict when though. Could be a while.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The Germans were exhausted, no question: ‘Many were Wurtembergers, and these for the most part appeared to be quite fit and sturdy, but if you looked at them closely you could see the effects of long, systematic underfeeding.’ But they still had to be beaten on the ground, so nearly having struck the victorious final blow themselves in their well planned offensive of 21 March 1918. And beaten in battle they were, by the Tank: ‘When the horsemen and their rivals in armour swept across the Santerre plateau, driving terror-stricken Germans in front of them, they did the most amazing things. The headquarters of the 11th German Corps in huts at Framerville was charged by tanks and the Corps Staff pursued down roads and across fields, one general escaping capture by running like a hare.’ ‘The British flag was hoisted on the headquarters of the 11th Corps (commanded by General Kuhne) by noon, and the tanks carried their own flag to victory as well.’ ‘Despite the unorganised attempts at destruction, an enormous amount of stores and a large number of guns of all kinds had to be left to us, and the tank crew, who came back looking like sweeps,… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Lockdown 3 has previously been compared to the Third Battle of Ypres here, more insanity with the same result.

Johnson clearly wants to be compared to Churchillwhich is why he likens fighting Covid to a world war. Apart from the damage wrought by lockdown it is nothing of the kind.

Churchill is wrongly traduced over Gallipoli, he envisaged a Naval assault only; the War Office turned it into a landing then gave Churchill a second rate fleet and a Flag Admiral who had a nervous breakdown the day before action commenced.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

But it was undoubtedly his strategy and, as the Second World War demonstrated again, this time in Greece, quite probably not one ever likely to succeed; many bridges to far…..

Once he had Alanbrooke at his side, the idea of drawing the German Army into the quagmire of Italy took hold, with results for all to see, despite the brilliance of that talented airman turned General, Kesselring….

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Having read Churchill’s defence of the Gallipoli strategy, I’m not convinced it was a bad idea. But it was not pursued properly at the start (not Churchill’s fault), which led to the subsequent failure as the defences had been prepared. Surely an attempt to outflank the enemy, which was almost certainly going to be far less costly than yet another offensive on the Western Front, was worth a try.

I’m tempted to draw comparisons with the Great Barrington Declaration, but the parallels can’t be pushed too far – that concept remains valid.

Churchill was fearless of responsibility – yet another characteristic Johnson lacks compared with his hero.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

It was certainly a bold strategy. Could Britain have maintained and supported an army in the field of sufficient size to cause the collapse of Turkey? Probably not: ‘The effectiveness of the Turkish coastal defences and minefields should have come as no surprise, to the British at least.   Robert O’Neill, one of Australia’s most respected historians, notes that the British built a significant part of the Turkish defences that destroyed several massive allied warships.’ ‘…there’s a risk of overlooking the very effective and courageous resistance of the Turkish army. They were very capable. They had many tricks up their sleeves that the Australians had to learn and they were experienced and hardened soldiers” – more so than most of the Australians. “They had very experienced officers who knew how to command in combat.’ ‘“How strange it is that Winston Churchill, a voracious student of military history, thought that a force of some 60,000 men, backed by the Royal Navy, would rapidly induce a Turkish collapse leading to the seizure and occupation of Constantinople,” O’Neill says. “He saw the Ottoman Empire as moribund. Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire in 1914 had plenty of fight left in it.” But I do agree… Read more »

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Interesting view – although I guess this one will always be mired in counterfactuals.

But surely any alternative to sending 18-yr-olds against barbed wire and machine guns was worth a go, as Churchill argues.

Churchill worshipped the Blenheim campaign. But had that not happened, or Marlborough had been forced to call it off early on, what chances would later historians given for its hypothetical success? Pretty close to zero I am sure, and yet it worked.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Indeed….and most of his Generals tried to dissuade the German leader from an assault through the Ardennes but it worked……the first time……..

Blenheim needed Marlborough and the Ardennes attack needed Manstein, Rommel and the rest, just as the successful British withdrawal to Dunkirk needed a stellar cast of Alanbrooke, Alexander and Monty…..

Undoubtedly, to have any success, Gallipoli would have required a General of calibre…..maybe a cavalryman like Allenby could have done something……..or maybe Churchill needed an Alanbrooke in the Admiralty at the time. He had Fisher but they were too close.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

In one of his books Churchill remarked that in war al repetitions are dangerous – with the implication that a one-off audacious move stood to gain a great deal, and was usually worth a go – that seems to be his guiding principle.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

But as a war this is entirely one-sided. The rona isn’t fighting. Nor is she taking any hits.

The Western world has boiled its own head, without any impact on Rona.

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

It is a bit of a ‘Don Quixote’ moment, isn’t it.

Every single national political leader in the developed world will be regarded by history as a capering clown…..

Forthcoming elections, and they will be forthcoming, everywhere will be interesting.

If Trump, with the biggest Republican voter turn out in history, could not survive then I doubt many other incumbents will manage it.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago

… such is the absurdity of typical seventeenth-century witchcraft cases it is tempting to condemn the perpetrators and witnesses out of hand. But we must judge them against the prevailing standards of their own time. The many parallels with our own age should break any complacency we may hold about our own better natures. The days of the judicial or mob murder of old women (and less commonly men) for witchcraft have, in Western societies at least, passed. But mankind’s penchant for the persecution of his fellow man lives on. Witch hunts – ancient or modern, and whether aimed at ‘witches’ or other minorities or individuals – draw life from characteristics latent and enduring in the human psyche: a need to blame another for one’s own misfortunes or fears; the herd instinct, and a willingness to disdain or fear individuals who lie outside the herd – that is classical group-think; a need to indulge self-righteousness, and the inherent moral superiority it gives over lesser beings; that same self-righteousness in the persecutor that allows of no self-doubts and no admission of his own fallibility; a willingness to accuse and then to condemn without reasonable evidence or even logic; the conceit that… Read more »

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

The opening Einstein quote from my forthcoming book is “the mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the one who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices.”

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Great quote! What’s your book about?

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Title: ‘Dealing with the next pandemic – how Einstein can help’.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Good luck against the censors!

The second bit could just as easily read ‘how any proper scientist can help’, but it isn’t so catchy …

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
5 years ago

So out of interest I wondered how much my local council had ‘suffered’ since March, how much of our money it was looking save and preparation for the downturn in money it receives and how it had looked around at the services it was no longer providing and cut costs there.

Given it seems to have been rolling out new cycle lanes, an entirely new bin collection ‘regime’ and endless propaganda posters I wasnt hopeful.

After an FOI request I received

Since 26th March 2020.

1. How many employees of LBHF have been or are currently on furlough?

0

2. How many employees of LBHF have been made redundant?

29

3. Which council departments have been affected by staff redundancy or furloughed staff?

Environment 10
Economy 5
Resources 13
Finance 0
Social Care 1
Children’s 0

So it pretty much looks like my council regards this as business as usual/we have an open cheque book!

No librarians furloughed? No bulk waste collection staff furloughed? All the other services that were suspended?

I wonder if this is the same across the country – I suspect it is……

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

How many people does your council employ in total?

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

1757 according to their website

And I suspect that most of the redundancies were ‘normal’ ones rather than ‘we cant afford you anymore – sorry’ ones.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

I guess the local councils are getting plenty of supplies from the magic money-printing machine.

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court
court
5 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

There’s 2 things my council loves, bossing people around and of course spending their money. This last year they’ve been in their element!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

I got asked to comment on a recent council led initiative seeking funding to build up communities and a lot of the criteria was around sustainability of local small businesses. Economy, social impact, environmental impact etc. That sort of thing.

I declined the offer but did respond to say that the council, by approving these lockdowns, have down as much damage as could ever be done to destroy small businesses and the ambition of their owners. Once we agree on that baseline understanding, we can talk.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago

Following on from the great Northumbrian Nomad, I feel LS editorial policy is completely wrong. I log in with my coffee every morning, the first thing I do but increasingly find a) the government narrative with a “ooh isn’t this bad” comment. This is followed by b) graphs including data about ‘Covid cases’ – there is no such thing as a Covid case because there is no reliable test. Later on, c) every day, I am insulted as I am a Socialist (for the many, not the few) and now we’ve got Toby telling us about his kids “lunch & supper”. I suppose he means ‘dinner’ and ‘tea’ but what would I know?

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Socialism destroys everything…….

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t’ shoebox in t’ middle o’ road

Born at Military Hospital, Catterick Camp, me, aye Yorkshire as F___.

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Woden
Woden
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Yes, but socialism is a good idea, shame it has never worked, The North shall Rise again.. apologies to the Fall.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

Considering that the UK and the rest of the world have followed the Chinese invention of LD do you think they will follow this advice also?

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/norway-sounds-alarm-over-vaccine-risks-elderly-frail-after-23-deaths

“A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.
Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.”
 
 

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

It’s going to be mighty interesting, isn’t it.

The question nobody seems to want to contemplate is: if the vaccines don’t work out, what next?

  • Accept the GBD approach?
  • Keep muddling forward with lockdown, release, lockdown, release?
  • Zero-covid strategy – brutal lockdown to achieve total suppression in UK and isolation from the rest of the world?

None of those options look very appealing from Boris Johnson’s perspective.

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Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Spot on. The vaccine is the only way out for government that does not force them to say that what we did was a mistake. It’s the only way to declare victory. That’s my fear. The vaccine is too convenient an answer. But years of science has suggested that finding truly effective vaccines against Corona and all respiratory viruses has been super tricky owing to the mutating. Flu vaccines are not that effective either in the face of different variants, I understand. The bland assertions that the vaccines will still work anyway are based on dogma not science. The control studies then did not include many (or even any) old people, who are affected by this. They are also more vulnerable to side effects of the vaccine and their immune systems are less likely to benefit from it anyway. In the end this will end up becoming a strategy of forcing the young to get vaccinated so as to protect the old. But the young are so little at risk that they will get zero personal benefit but incur risk from the vaccine. The ethics then start to get highly questionable. Ultimately, this will be another disaster. I can feel… Read more »

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

They have placed all eggs in one basket, vaccines. They have not even been smart enough to have a safety valve at least as in the US with regular updating of suspected side effects. They have relied on censorship or OFSTED rules having none of the tabloids reporting these events in Norway. We have had 50 times more vaccines in Norway and miraculously no side effects? Is this Albania under Enhver Hodha with 120 % uptake of measles vaccine?
They have no control of anything and the house of cards is soon collapsing. They can’t even gag SAGE members. If BJ was trying to have an optimistic message he would surely sack the Deputy Medical Officer quoted of his view having vaccines every 6th months and masks forever.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Great posts – but is the house of cards soon collapsing? The Great British Public seem only to want more restrictions.

If by house of cards you mean their strategy I think you are correct. I hope – and suspect – you are also correct in a wider context. Time will tell.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

TheSun and the Express both report the deaths in Norway.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Thanks for reporting this.At least a crack in their black out.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

And the Daily Mail

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Perhaps that’s the exit.

Vaccines fail, BJ sets all the blame on the scientific mullahs (Vallance, Whitty and VT), sacks them and puts a GBDer in charge.

That would take a spectacular amount of political skill to survive, though. With Labour calling for a zero-covid strategy and the Labour friendly press stiring the country up with daily death count, it would require a fair amount. of skill and courage to go that way.

Not sure where the courage would come from given they didn’t have it when this all kicked off.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I think most British people would pick your second option. Zero Covid is an unachievable fantasy. Love it how GBD continues to quietly offer a solution long after it has been disregarded.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I fear you are right.
The interesting thing is that seems to me the least tenable position politically speaking.

There would be pressure from Labour for zero-covid and there would be pressure within the Conservative party for GBD.

Actually, the most likely is that when PCR infections come down naturally, they will claim victory for the vaccine, kick the can down the road and the panic will kick off again with the next spike in infections. – new variant, vaccine not effective, new round of vaccinations.

Eventually it will all blow up. Just hard to predict when. Could be ages.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Forget about it being a vaccine, it isn’t. Covid19 hasn’t been isolated so there is no vaccine, how can there be? Astra Zeneca is the only vaccine but that is made from a monkey virus, because, yes, they have not isolated the COV19 virus, geddit? Pfizer / Moderna is not a vaccine it is an experimental genetic modifier they have called it a vaccine to fast track it by cutting corners and we are their lab rats.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Indeed. I think they are rapidly approaching the point where the second option becomes unfeasible, certainly if the vaccines fail to stop the case-demic. Unfortunately the first option includes the risk of ministers going to prison, so will never be considered seriously. Authoritarianism is all that remains to protect their incompetent, corrupt arses.

However, there is still the option of winding down PCR and replacing with LFT. Unfortunately, France is torpedoing that idea at the monent and our morons will be forced by the meeja to copy them.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Further in the article. This is important news.They have done autopsies which confirms that the vaccines have contributed to deaths.Norway has one of the best heath system in the world. Iceland,Israel and Swedn has reported reaction in a transparent manner you would expect of a modern health system.What about UK any reports from MHRA like the ones from US CDC? Or is the UK system a third world system?

“Thus far Norway says it has administered doses to up to 33,000 people, including the elderly, but are already finding it “too risky” for the terminally ill and people over 80 that are in frail condition. Given only 33,000 injected so far, the reported death count is already staggering and is causing officials to sound the alarm:

Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have so far been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.”

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

So much for things being “safe” and that a rapid development of a vaccine can work. There aren’t any shortcuts I’m afraid. Because the last time with Swine Flu we had narcolepsy.

The governments are in the thrall of the Theorists. They’ll only change when they feel a real threat.

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Adamb
Adamb
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Are reports of similar cases in the UK being suppressed then I wonder? Taking the Norwegian report at its word, there must be many more here given the number of vaccines done already.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

As our numbers have sky-rocketed since the vaccine came in, I’d describe it as ineffective at best. At worst, the cause. But I am a mere non-scientist. What do I know?

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

In my limited understanding of it, treatments are developed by medical teams, with boots on the ground. The success or failure of these are then communicated to the wider medical science community. Big pharma aren’t very keen on this and would rather dictate to the professionals, which treatments or vaccines should be used.
This has been debated for years with little widespread concern and here we are now, in the biggest cluster fuck of all time.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Its Genocide folks! All done in the name of the new god Covid and keeping us safe!

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago

“The devastating human and industry cost of COVID-19” 

Yet we who oppose lockdown as a policy are the selfish ones…..

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago

Stop Press: Off Guardian reports on the #IOAPRO (I Am Open) campaign, which is set to see 50,000 Italian restaurant owners defy restrictions and open their restaurants in an act of civil disobedience. The #IOAPRO movement is already spreading into Poland and parts of Switzerland. Come on, England. What are you waiting for?

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alw
alw
5 years ago

“Health is about living. A healthy person can achieve a range of potentials, physical and mental. A healthy society is one that enables its people to flourish. Disease is but one obstacle to health, and not necessarily the biggest. Obsession with disease, when it becomes so unbalanced, can be detrimental to public health, damaging whole lives, not just the parts you can measure. Poverty, anxiety, desperation, anger, sleeplessness, depression – all of this can affect our lives just as much or more than a clinical condition.”

”The government is not above the law. Sooner or later it will be held accountable for the dreadful, avoidable damage it has done to so many of us.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-and-the-unforgivable-negligence-of-johnson-co/

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

This gives me hope and reinforces the fact we are not alone.

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TC
TC
5 years ago

Any scientist/statistician doing work on collating and assessing deaths caused by lockdown?
The government published some figures in the summer which lead me to ask my wife if the difference between published Death by Covid and Death by Lockdown had really been worth all the restrictions (it was a rhetorical question to her).
I suspect HMG decided not to publish any more on those lines but it maybe some in msm are now raising questions on some of the less desirable products of LD eg. child abuse,domestic abuse,lack of education etc.
I would like a reloable source to produce to LD supporters – the work done countering the government and Ministry of Truth line viz deaths being astronomically high in 2020 has been very helpful but seems to fall on deaf ears. People chose what they want to hear,I suppose but I want to keep on trying to put the sceptic case.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

People aren’t interested in facts (unfortunately). As you say, it falls on deaf ears.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

They come back with the counterfactual: “If we didn’t have lockdowns many more would have died.”

Impossible to prove, impossible to disprove.

The perfect refuge for someone who has no intention of climbing down.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The excess deaths at home is interesting though. Double the normal amount apparently which suggests people were more scared of over-burdening the NHS than getting treatment.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I would have thought the answer to that is “Prove it.” After all, businesses going down are visible on nearly every high street, people dying from Covid is not (reported on the MSM is not the same thing).

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Except Sweden and Florida say otherwise. The real question is what are people actually dying off during a lockdown and are collateral effects being missed

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PeeDubbya
PeeDubbya
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

I believe that the University of Bristol have been carrying out a study on this matter. You should be able to find it with a quick google search

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  PeeDubbya

Thank you. I’ll try that.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

UK Actuaries Institute did calc 45K dead from LDs at one point. OffGuardian as well was assessing the same.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Thank you.
I’ll see what I can find.
Couldn’t see anything on University of Bristol’s research part of it’s website.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

A search for NPI’s, might be better than lockdowns.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

A well written article, which is easy to understand

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Thank you.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Thank you.

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maggie may
maggie may
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

Here’s another piece by the Time for Recovery (Lord Sumption et al) group

Excess deaths scandal – why did you ignore our warnings? – Time For Recovery

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Thank you.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

All I could find of recent vintage is this American link:https://www.aier.org/article/death-by-lockdown/

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TheBigman
TheBigman
5 years ago

I see more people are waking up across the world to the fact these restrictions are being utilised for ulterior motives.
Everywhere except Scotland ofcourse, we’re daft.

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TC
TC
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

Yes,I have a friend in Stasiland.
He seems to spend his days in retirement posting video clips and jokes on Whatsapp.
But he’s pretty compliant and not bolshy over things; he doesn’t like NicholaS though – what a surprise.

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

Yes, a lot of people spend there life sending memes it’s a life well spent full of value and meaning.

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

I’m glad you agree what a thick bunch we are and yet claim to be freedom fighters you could not make it up. If it weren’t for family ties I would be off. Depending the fall out of this I am considering moving to the North of England.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

I see that and at the same time more people becoming aggressively hostile to lockdown skepticism, which is natural as the cognitive dissonance mounts.

When lockdowns, masks, distancing and handwashing have failed miserably the only place left for them to go is lack of compliance. They cling on to New Zealand as a last shred of evidence that lockdowns work.

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JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Which is a fucking nonsense because the ship has sailed to ever become New Zealand and who the fuck wants to lock themself away from the world.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

I’m back on Facebook and have joined a few Scottish groups who are against lockdowns. We are not all daft, although in 10 months I’m coming to the conclusion the daftest are the most educated and have the most degrees but then, that could be because lockdown doesn’t affect their bank accounts in a negative way.

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