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by Will Jones
21 January 2021 5:38 AM

Boris in No Rush to Lift Restrictions

The Telegraph reports that Government ministers are in no rush to lift restrictions, believing the public supports going slow and steady (it’s almost as though someone has scared the bejesus out of them). UnHerd in an editorial has had a shot at predicting how the long lockdown of 2021 will pan out.

Vaccination should mean an end to the lockdowns we’ve experienced so far. Step by step, life will return to normal. Households will be allowed to mix again. Schools, shops, pubs and restaurants will re-open. We might even stop wearing masks.

But there’s a catch: the threat of new variants. Even if vaccination stops the spread of Covid in a particular country, there’s the rest of the world to worry about. If the virus continues to spread and mutate elsewhere, there’s a danger that we’ll import a new variant against which our vaccines are less effective.

Therefore, expect massive public pressure for ongoing restrictions on cross-border travel. Australia doesn’t expect to fully reopen its borders this year – not even if most of its population is vaccinated. In the Republic of Ireland, a recent poll found 90% support for quarantining anyone entering the country.

It’s not that we don’t want things to go back to the way they were – in fact, we’re desperate for them to do so. But that’s precisely why we’ll be so protective of the progress that we do make. Hence, the likelihood of long lockdown aimed at locking out any resurgence of the disease.

For most people, the long lockdown will much easier to bear than the crisis lockdowns we’ve come to know and hate. However, there’s one thing that will be worse about the successor regime – it will be more divisive.

Despite Government statements to the contrary, they predict overt vaccination discrimination.

Another divide that the long lockdown might open up is between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated. The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t. Indeed, discrimination could be a deliberate instrument of policy if achieving herd immunity is deemed to be compromised by the refuseniks.

This is already happening, with travel operator Saga informing customers yesterday that only those who are “fully vaccinated” may travel.

Depressingly, much of this UnHerd piece rings true in terms of how things are likely to go. Having bet the farm on vaccines and winning (well, kind of), the prevailing sense now seems to be that the vaccines are simply not good enough to let us go back to normal – some people will still get ill and die, and new variants will come along that might get round them. The Government has never carried out a proper cost-benefit analysis to determine what the limits should be on lockdowns, so it’s just muddling along without any proper guide ropes. How effective do vaccines have to be – what level of deaths can we live with? There will be no end of new variants. Does this mean lockdown forever? Patrick Vallance has suggested that Covid jabs will become annual, like flu. The Mail reports:

Speaking to Sky News, Sir Patrick said: “I think it’s quite likely that we are going to need regular vaccination, at least for a few years. And I think it’s quite likely those vaccines may need to change a bit as they do for flu every year.”

But he added that it was not yet certain whether annual vaccinations would be taking place.

“We don’t know yet,” he said. “But that will be planned in the way it is planned for flu as well. This virus has taken us by surprise time and time again and we just don’t know. There are fears mutant strains of the virus could get around immunity triggered by vaccines, although a variant with this ability hasn’t been identified. 

Sir Patrick told Sky the Government’s scientists are now “increasingly of the view” that the Kent variant “will be susceptible to the vaccine and to previous immunity. The studies are all pointing in that direction so I think that’s good in terms of vaccine effect,” he said. “[But] for some of the others that are popping up around the world – and they will continue to pop up – we’ve still got some question marks as to how effective a vaccine will be.”

Boris Johnson imposed demands for everyone arriving in the UK from abroad to have tested negative for coronavirus and quarantine this week, in an attempt to lock out any new variants.

Sir Patrick said he was pushing ministers for a harder approach against the virus, because their experience since March showed that looser measures easily allowed the virus to resurge.

“I think there is a very simple series of recommendations which I’ve been pushing continuously and I’ll continue to do so, which is the lesson is: go earlier than you think you want to, go a bit harder than you think you want to, and go a bit broader than you think you want to, in terms of applying the restrictions. I’m afraid that’s a grim message but that is what the evidence says – you’ve got to go hard, early and broader if you’re going to get on top of this. Waiting and watching simply doesn’t work.”

Except of course every time we’ve locked down – in March, November and January – it can readily be seen from the data that new infections were falling before the restrictions came in. Why does this simple point never break through in the thinking of senior Government advisers like Vallance?

In this evidence-free atmosphere, the calls of those on the extremes of the debate demanding Zero Covid gain an increasingly sympathetic hearing. Professor Devi Sridhar, the social anthropologist, has redoubled her push for an elimination strategy in a series of tweets. The Herald reports:

[Prof Sridhar tweeted]: “Quite simply: as new variants emerge we don’t know whether our vaccines will protect against them or whether having Covid once means you can’t get it again. Not scaremongering but laying out facts and scientific uncertainty. Why wait and watch instead of getting ahead of this?”

She said the good news is that we know how to control Covid through measures including the “buy-in of population that there’s a plan”, robust test/trace/isolate, and very tight border restrictions.

Professor Sridhar, who is an adviser to the Scottish Government, warned that people will not keep complying if they don’t think there’s “light ahead on when life will get back to normal”.

And she said that eliminating the virus should be the goal where possible.

She tweeted: “Countries that have the resources and political will should clearly eliminate COVID-19.”

It’s a topsy-turvy world where this kind of fantasy of eliminating an endemic, highly infectious virus is regarded as a sensible suggestion while sceptics who suggest applying time-honoured public health principles of risk management, heeding the lessons of no-lockdown states like Sweden, are smeared as dangerous enemies of the people.

Stop Press: The Spectator‘s gossip columnist Steerpike quotes Prof Sridhar claiming that an independent Scotland would “definitely” have made different decisions on the pandemic, and that “in the summer, we got the numbers low”. This suggests a failure to understand that COVID-19 is a seasonal respiratory virus and a failure to recognise that most of Europe, including England, had low infections in the warmer months.

Sridhar continues to push Scotland towards a Zero Covid strategy:

So, yeah, I think it is really hard because we’re not getting the support that we require to be able to go the full way we want to go. It’s hard because, I think, you saw in the summer the talks about elimination and zero Covid, clear focus on getting numbers low – we never saw that clarity of vision from England and that’s really hard. We’re still not getting it, and I hope we will get it, but it might take a few more months.

She’s a big fan of Nic Sturge-On:

“I do feel much safer right now being in Scotland, knowing that there’s a leader in charge who takes the health of the public incredibly seriously and takes her job really seriously and is hard-working.”

She contended that “across the political spectrum… in daily life, anyone I speak to, regardless of what they believe or what party they support, has said that she has done a remarkable job”. Professor Sridhar insisted she wasn’t making “a political point” but said she would “take the heat” and “speak what I think is right”.

Worth reading in full.

WHO Updates Guidance on PCR Tests: Recommends Re-Testing to Confirm Positives

The World Health Organisation has updated its guidance on PCR tests to ensure they are used properly.

Target audience: laboratory professionals and users of IVDs.

Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued December 14th 2020.

Description of the problem: WHO requests users to follow the instructions for use (IFU) when interpreting results for specimens tested using PCR methodology.  

Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer.

WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed. The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases. This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

For months now, sceptics have been ridiculed for questioning the accuracy of the PCR test, referring to the risk of false positives when prevalence is low and urging the Government to carry out confirmatory second tests on those that test positive. This updated advice from the WHO is a vindication of our position. We look forward to Governments and health authorities bringing their practices into line with it.

Stop Press: George Michael writes that “False-Positives are Crushing the NHS“.

This analysis explores the very likely possibility that staff, patients, and the NHS as a whole are being mismanaged due to the significant proportion of positive COVID-19 cases in Pillar 1 that are false (where Pillar 1 represents the data from tests carried out in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospital settings).

Worth reading in full.

The Smearing of Sumption

Lord Sumption: the monstering of a lockdown sceptic
Lord Jonathan Sumption

Luke Gittos in spiked comes to the defence of Lord Sumption, whose comments about how lives are valued in public health policy has been wilfully misunderstood by people determined to demonise lockdown sceptics.

There is something really frightening about the unhinged mobbing of retired Supreme Court justice Lord Sumption that has unfolded over the past few days.

Over the weekend, Sumption appeared on BBC One’s The Big Questions to explore whether lockdown was “punishing too many for the greater good”. In the course of the debate, he entered into an exchange with Deborah James, who has stage-four metastatic bowel cancer.

Sumption said that the life of his grandchildren was worth far more than his own because they had “much more of it ahead”. James, who hosts the BBC’s You, Me and the Big C podcast, said Sumption was wrong to say that therefore her life was “not valuable” as she had less life ahead than many others. Sumption responded by saying, “I didn’t say it was not valuable. I said it was less valuable.”

You do not need a medical degree to know what Sumption was saying. In fact, you probably only need an ounce of common sense. Sumption was making a point about how we ascribe moral value to different lives according to their remaining length and quality. He subsequently explained to Good Morning Britain that he was not making any point about James herself. He said “every policymaker has to make difficult choices. Sometimes that involves putting a value on human life. It’s a standard concept in health economics.” He was making the point that healthcare necessarily involves deciding on what, or rather who, to prioritise. Doctors make such difficult judgment calls every day. This is not controversial.

This issue is central to questions related to lockdown. Those who die of Covid are likely to be very old. The difficult moral question posed by the virus, and our response to it, is how to balance the need to protect the vulnerable with the need to ensure that everyone else continues to receive healthcare when they need it. To pretend that this is a non-issue is to fail to engage with one of the central moral questions raised by the pandemic.

I do not think any of this is revelatory. In fact, I believe everyone knows that this is what Sumption was saying.

Yet this hasn’t stopped people twisting his views, calling them “abhorrent” and comparing him to a eugenicist.

Worth reading in full.

Triple Test Challenge

There’s an opportunity for Lockdown Sceptics readers to get involved in important research putting the different types of COVID-19 tests to the test. From the PhysioFunction website:

Testing in the community: would you like to help in the control of COVID-19 with a free same day test result and a free antibody test if you are positive?

PhysioFunction has been providing COVID-19 testing services since June 2020. We offer:

PCR tests that are processed by a UKAS accredited testing laboratory (No.4236), and

Point of Care Lateral Flow Tests (“rapid 30 minute tests”) adhering to ISO 15189 and ISO 22870 standards. 

PhysioFunction has been commissioned to provide supervised PCR sample collection and Lateral Flow Test processing to gather important data on test reliability and accuracy.

We need 1,000 volunteers as soon as possible to take part in the trial – with or without symptoms.

The trial will involve participants taking three coronavirus tests, one after the other:

1.    A PCR test which will be sent to a Government processing centre

2.    A PCR test which will be sent to a certificated private UKAS accredited laboratory

3.    A Lateral Flow test which will produce a result in 30 minutes at the testing site

There is no charge to participants. Participants who test positive will be offered a FREE antibody test after 28 days to confirm the presence or absence of antibodies to the coronavirus. 

There are two testing locations – one in Central London and one in the East Midlands, near junction 18 of the M1, at Spratton. 

The three tests will only take 15 minutes to complete under supervision by trained staff. The results of the Lateral Flow test, positive or negative, will be communicated to you by email after you have left the test site and the result is known. Additionally, the result of the private PCR test will be communicated to you by email as soon as the result is known – most likely within 24 hours.

In order to take part, you will need to have requested a Government PCR home test kit from www.gov.uk/get-coronavirus-test.

Please book an appointment when you have received your kit.

A confirmation email with the date, time and location will be sent to you to confirm your booking. Please bring the unused Government test kit with you, and be on site at the appointed time. This allows all three tests to be completed at the same time. 

We do hope you feel able to do this trial with us, and please do ask some of your friends to do the same. 

Please contact us with any queries at info@physiofunctiontrial.co.uk

Thank you for your consideration and assistance. 

Doctors Ask for National Breast Screening Service to be Paused

A doctor has written to us with some unwelcome news about the prospect of cancer screening being suspended once more.

We have just received notice from the Association of Breast Surgeons who has written to NHS CEO Simon Stevens asking that yet again the National Breast Screening Service is paused (i.e. stopped). You may know that this was stopped between March and July! Apparently in the interest of minimising risks from Covid.

I have absolutely no idea what the so called “risks” there are. I do not think we have had any nosocomial Covid from women attending either screening service or follow up mammograms.

Sure, for some women delaying screening is of little consequence, but for others it can make a big difference. Either way, even if there could be a demonstrable lack of effect of delaying diagnosis (which there is not) ,I would still find it very difficult to justify stopping screening.

I find the fact that we are prioritising Covid over breast cancer utterly disgusting and a failure of the profession to assess real Covid risks vs “presumed” Covid risks. It also takes away the concept of freedom, in that patients can choose whether or not to attend screening mammograms.

Ivermectin Inches Towards Approval

The awaited meta-analysis of trials involving the drug Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 by Andrew Hill at the University of Liverpool was published as a pre-print on Tuesday.

It concludes: “In six randomised trials of moderate or severe infection, there was a 75% reduction in mortality.”

However, “many studies included were not peer reviewed and meta-analyses are prone to confounding issues. Ivermectin should be validated in larger, appropriately controlled randomised trials before the results are sufficient for review by regulatory authorities.”

A video presentation by Dr Hill was leaked at the end of December. Arab News reported on it earlier this month.

Early-stage trials indicate that a cheap and readily available drug has the potential to make “transformative” changes to COVID-19 mortality rates, according to a leaked presentation by Liverpool University scientists.

Data revealed in the presentation suggested that the drug Ivermectin – normally used to treat lice – could cut deaths in hospitals by as much as 80%.

In 11 trials involving more than 1,000 patients, those who received the drug appeared to clear themselves of the virus in about half the usual time.

Trials of another 5,000 patients have yet to report their results, but Dr. Andrew Hill, the researcher at Liverpool University who gave the leaked presentation, said they are expected soon.

He emphasised that his data looked only at the so-called “gold-standard” randomised controlled trials, in which patients were randomly assigned the drug or a placebo.

“The combined data may be large enough to get to World Health Organization recommendations for treatment being used worldwide,” Hill said.

“If we see these same trends consistently across more studies, then this really is going to be a transformative treatment.”

He said the anti-parasitic drug could be a particularly important weapon against COVID-19 in the developing world because of its low cost. “It’s very attractive because it costs between $1 and $2 for a treatment course,” Hill added.

Dr Sebastian Rushworth has expressed a similarly positive opinion on ivermectin as the meta-analysis in a recent blog post. He goes into some detail about the studies and their shortcomings. He sums up:

Three of the four trials did produce some signal of benefit. However, all four trials had major flaws, and two of the trials that did find a benefit were also giving Doxycycline, which makes it impossible to disentangle whether the potential benefit was coming from Ivermectin or Doxycycline. But these trials were all small, so it’s perfectly possible that there is a benefit but that the trials were just too small to detect it. What we really need now is a big, high quality, double-blind, randomised controlled trial of Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid.

He is hopeful, though:

Do I think the huge reduction in mortality is real? I think it’s very possible. These were after all randomised controlled trials, so the risk of confounding factors is low (with the exception of Doxycycline, which could be responsible for some or even all of the beneficial effect seen). And, as mentioned, the risk of publication bias appears to be pretty low. And the outcome for which there is a big effect size is mortality, which is a hard outcome that is hard for researchers to manipulate.

It’s frustrating that these trials have not been done for a drug so promising. Dr Rushworth suggests a reason why.

If Ivermectin were shown to be effective against Covid, that would be great, because it’s generic, cheap, safe, and widely available, so it would be easy to start treating people quickly. Unfortunately, that also means western pharmaceutical companies have zero interest in doing research on Ivermectin, because there is no way to make a decent profit from it. Who does have an interest? Poorer countries that can’t afford expensive new drugs. That means the research on Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid has been pretty much entirely carried out outside the west.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Robert Clancy, Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School in Australia, has written a good piece in Quadrant looking at vaccines and treatments.

More Mask Study Problems

Lockdown Sceptics reader Thomas Verduyn has taken a closer look at the Lancet mask study I criticised yesterday – the one funded by Google claiming to find that a 10% increase in self-reported mask-wearing was associated with much lower R rate – and found more holes. Thomas has a degree in Engineering Science from the University of Toronto where his focus was aerospace engineering. He says he keeps his brain sharp by reading around 10 textbooks a year across a range of subjects. Over to him.

Unfortunately, there are multiple problems with this study.

1. The study did not include mask use at work as they operated on the assumption that most Americans were not going to work. This is a critical omission as lots of people still went to work and also ate lunch together in lunchrooms.

2. The study ends with a list of other factors they did not take into account. For example, they point out “it is difficult to disentangle individuals’ engagement in mask-wearing from their adoption of other preventive hygiene practices, and mask-wearing might be serving as a proxy for other risk avoidance behaviours not queried (e.g. avoiding crowded spaces…)” Any one of these factors might have shifted the results, especially given the observed change in transmission values was small, the averages varying only between 1.0 and 1.1.

3. The study involved so many variables that when I read the report I imagined someone sitting at his computer and adjusting the parameters until the perfect slope resulted. For example, they used a “smoothing parameter for political party identification”. Elsewhere they say: “The percentage of non-White individuals included in the study was included as a confounder because of the relationship of race with epidemiological indicators of SARS-CoV-2.”

4. The study hinges on R values provided from the web site Rt.live. However, according to that web site, the model used to calculate R was “changed significantly on June 19th”. As this date is right in the middle of the mask study, it calls its results into question.

5. Figure 3 (“Mask wearing, physical distancing, and the predicted probability of Rt being less than 1”) is based on a faulty model. According to the graph, if 70% of people wear masks and observe social distancing there is a 100% probability of community transmission control. Given what happened in the Covid second wave, this is nonsense. Here in Manitoba, for example, where nearly 100% of people wear masks and where social distancing is being rigidly enforced, the case numbers went up significantly in November and December.

6. Figure 4 (“Mask wearing in the 14 days before and after state wide mask mandates”) shows that mask use did not increase noticeably in any of the 12 states that made masks mandatory during the study. This raises questions about the validity of the responses by the participants. For example, in Manitoba mask use rose steadily all summer until about 60% of people were wearing masks. Masks were mandated by the provincial government in late September. Almost instantaneously 100% of Manitobans obeyed the order and started wearing masks. I am, in fact, one of only two people I know refusing to wear a mask. Although Americans are indeed quite different to Canadians, it stretches plausibility that a mandatory mask order in a state would not have had an observable effect on mask use. Worse, the report takes this to imply a need for Government to find means of enforcing mask use: “The absence of a statistically significant change in reported mask-wearing during the two weeks following statewide mandates highlights the point that regulation alone might not drive increased masking behaviour.”

7. The study reports that when mask use went up, transmission went down. This was true. However, a cardinal rule of statistics is that correlation is not causation, e.g. although winter always follows the harvest, harvest does not cause winter. The study does not offer any evidence of causation, which instead appears to be assumed throughout the report. One confounding factor is the seasonality of the virus. The virus was naturally declining in most areas just as mask use was on the rise. A second confounding factor was the summer surge in some southern states where mask use was less common, unrelated to masks but adding to the apparent correlation. It would be interesting to see a similar study that covers November and December, when case numbers were rising significantly.

Finally, is there any significance in the timing? The report was published the day before Biden became President. Biden has said he will make masks mandatory. The report concludes by saying: “Policy makers should consider innovative strategies for evaluating and increasing mask usage to help control the epidemic.” This seems very convenient. In any case, certainly it will be called upon as evidence when Biden pursues his nationwide mask mandates. It is therefore very bad news.

A Pharmacist Writes…

Arise, Sir Toby?

A Lockdown Sceptics reader and pharmacist who works for the NHS in a psychiatric hospital for a large mental health trust in the North has written in with an idea. Why not nominate some sceptic heroes for an honour for their “exceptional contribution to the response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) crisis in the UK”? She writes:

Firstly, I’d like to thank you all for keeping me sane throughout all this. I was a lockdown zealot at first, then in May, a friend showed me a clip of Lord Sumption’s interview by the BBC and I instantly began to question the Government’s course of action. I’d not considered any of the implications on our liberties and I wasn’t aware of any alternative viewpoints or science at this stage. I researched further and further, discovered the likes of Peter Hitchens and the rest of the journalists and scientists questioning the Government narrative. Needless to say I’ve been trying to spread “the word” ever since.

I’ve written to my MP three times, attended a protest and donated money to various crowdfunders. It has been difficult. Family members whom I consider to be highly intelligent with several degrees and MAs between them think I am mad. My mother thinks I need help and has offered the support of a family friend “who sympathises with me on how isolated I might feel right now…” My father thinks Lord Sumption is wrong (what?). My sister disapproves that I have refused the vaccine (it’s my body and it usually takes 10-15 years for a vaccine to be approved so no thank you!).

Anyway, I stumbled across this (see below) and I am contemplating nominating Toby Young or Peter Hitchens. Or perhaps Mike Yeadon or Ivor Cummins or maybe all of them for their continuing dedication to their coronavirus related work! After all it does say you can nominate anyone. Wouldn’t it be great if thousands upon thousands of us nominated Lord Sumption for example.

“Nominate someone for coronavirus-related work (GOV.UK): You can nominate someone who has made an exceptional contribution to the response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) crisis in the UK. Anyone can make a nomination and there is no deadline. Nominations will be considered by an independent honours committee.”

What I find utterly bewildering is, since when did our freedoms become contingent with the smooth running of the NHS? It really is insane all of this and we will look back and wonder what on earth we were doing and all the zealots will be sheepish and insist they questioned lockdowns all along and masks were never really compulsory. To all you at Lockdown Sceptics and those out there, stay strong and never give up.

Requiem for Universities

We’re publishing a new piece today by regular Lockdown Sceptics contributor Sinéad Murphy, a philosophy lecturer at Newcastle University. From the introduction:

Universities have been dying for some time. As their prospectuses have grown glossier, their gateway buildings more spectacular and their accommodation for students more stunningly luxurious, the Humanities subjects have been gradually hollowed out.

Academics’ intellectual work has been streamlined by the auditing procedures of the ‘Research Excellence Framework’ and by growing pressure to bid for outside funding, which is distributed to projects that address a narrow range of approved themes – Sustainability, Ageing, Energy, Inequality…

Student achievement has been dumbed down by the inculcation of a thoughtless relativism – Everybody’s different; That’s just my interpretation – and by the annual inflation of grades.

The curriculum has begun to be tamed by continual revision – never broad enough, never representative enough – and by the drive for ‘equality and diversity’.

And teaching has been marginalised by the heavy requirements that it represent itself on ever proliferating platforms and review itself in endless feedback loops.

Universities, in short, have been gradually transforming into what they proudly trumpet as a Safe Space, a space that has been cleared at greatest expense to Humanities subjects, a space in which the slightest risk – that a thought might lead nowhere, that a student might be uninterested, that an idea might offend or that a teacher might really persuade – has been mitigated by so many layers of bureaucratic procedure that most of everyone’s time is spent in wading through them.

Covid has brought these developments to a head, she says: “Safe Space universities have come to their culmination. No space is safer than an empty space. And universities are empty at last. The shell has cracked and fallen away. The university is no more.”

Worth reading in full.

Poetry Corner

Spotted by a Lockdown Sceptics reader below Allison Pearson’s column in the Telegraph. By David Jones.

Sorry, short of nurses,
And doctors rather few,
Short a bit of masks and kit
For beds there’s quite a queue!
We’ve Managers and Admin,
And Directors in their hordes,
We’ve nigh on half a million
On Agencies and Boards!
On Trusts and Panels nationwide
We take our pay and pension,
On Senates and Commissions
And Groups we couldn’t mention!
Our new Computer System
Ten billion spent in vain…
By some odd quirk it wouldn’t work,
We’ll have to buy again!
Our En-Aitch-Ess is in a mess
Your taxes keep us going;
Send forty billion every year
And keep that money flowing!

Round-up

  • “What Covid tests can we trust?” – Tom Chivers in UnHerd looks at the debate raging between scientists on whether PCR or LFT is better. We’re on Team Mina – the Harvard Professor of Epidemiology Michael Mina who favours the LFT
  • “It’s not just you: Why the current lockdown is having an extreme effect on mental health” – Sarah Manavis in the New Statesman on the mental health crisis that is only getting worse
  • “Living amongst the Possessed” – Hugh Willbourn suggests people have become possessed by fear and empathy is needed to win them over
  • “Piers Morgan steps in as Dr Hilary blasts ‘scaremongering’ guest over vaccine with viewers divided” – Covid vaccines have not been tested on pregnant women so there is no way to know if they’re safe and Government advice is that they should not routinely be given to them, yet GMB’s TV doctor told a fellow guest she was “scaremongering” for pointing this out
  • “Snowdon Quillette Response” – Ivor Cummins gives Christopher Snowdon’s recent pro-lockdown piece a full Fisking
  • “‘Dream on!’ Speaker Lindsay Hoyle slapped down for lockdown-style climate change rules” – Lindsay Hoyle causes a stir by suggesting Covid-style social restrictions might also work well for curbing climate change, the Express reports
  • “‘Sharp drop’ in heart-attack hospital admissions” – BBC report on some worrying statistics
  • “Ontario lockdown ‘not supported by strong science,’ says former Chief Medical Officer of Health” – A Canadian public health panjandrum speaks truth to power
  • “Rishi Sunak set to extend furlough scheme past April” – Ominous if true
  • “Our children’s lives matter, and for that reason we must #unlocktheschools” – Alexander McCarron tweets Unlocked UK’s new video
https://twitter.com/alexmaccaroon/status/1351981838265438212?s=19

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Ruins” by Cat Stevens, “Better off dead” by Elton John and “I’ll Stay Till the Beer Runs Out” by Ray Sanders.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the turn of the University of Leicester and its proposal to drop Chaucer and other medieval literature from the English syllabus in favour of a full panoply of wokery. The Telegraph has the story.

The University of Leicester will stop teaching Geoffrey Chaucer’s work and other medieval literature in favour of modules on race and sexuality, according to new proposals.

Management told the English department that courses on canonical works will be dropped for modules “students expect” as part of plans now under consultation.

Foundational texts like The Canterbury Tales and Anglo-Saxon epic Beowulf would no longer be taught under proposals to scrap medieval literature.  

Instead the English faculty will be refocused to drop centuries of the literary canon and deliver a “decolonised” curriculum devoted to diversity.

Academics now facing redundancy were told via email: “The aim of our proposals (is) to offer a suite of undergraduate degrees that provide modules which students expect of an English degree.”

New modules described as “excitingly innovative” would cover:  “A chronological literary history, a selection of modules on race, ethnicity, sexuality and diversity, a decolonised curriculum, and new employability modules.”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Listen to American academic John McWhorter talk about the ideological excesses of the social justice movement on the Quillette podcast.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

Stop Press: WalesOnline reports on a video of a woman without a mask being escorted from Sainsbury’s while telling police she doesn’t need to wear one. She can be heard arguing the officers had “no right to ask me what my disability is. It’s against the law”. Worth bearing in mind that in our Covid police state officers are empowered to enforce Covid regulations, including mask-wearing, and can issue fines as they see fit, including through determining whether in their view you have a “valid exemption“. Whether it would stand up in court is another matter, but there can be no doubt that police officers have indeed been given frightening powers to issue fines and enforce rules according to their own discretion.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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Liewe
Liewe
5 years ago

Got a podium position!

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YosN8rP8Q

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

The Empire Strikes Back

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va3ghOIC9bE

Behind the curtain of climate alarmism.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

It looks like it’s been taken down or something as I cannot get it to play.

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LMS2
LMS2
5 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I’ve just clicked onto it and it’s still there. Summary: ” The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed 23,016 views Sky News Australia 1.12M subscribers Published on 20 Jan 2021 People across the globe have finally got a glimpse into the tears and disaster Melbourne’s record-breaking lockdown caused thousands of its citizens. Sky News host Chris Smith said throughout the pandemic it has been easy to see the dire health damage suffered by hundreds-of-thousands throughout the globe. “What can’t be filmed so easily is the pain, suffering and deaths, attributed to the economic damage wrecked by lockdowns and border closures,” he said. On Wednesday, The Herald Sun released a list of 1384 businesses which collapsed during Victoria’s harsh lockdowns. “Today, you could actually see a glimpse of what that side of the pandemic is like, what disaster it has created,” Mr Smith said. “On and on it goes. Each and every one of these companies has a tragic, heartbreaking story to tell”. Despite the recently released data illustrating the severe effects of such policies, the Victorian premier still has his state’s borders up to parts of Sydney even as these zones only have “infinitesimal COVID… Read more »

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notmenotreally
notmenotreally
5 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

How many businesses in Victoria survived ?

How many that went under where heading that way anyway ?

How many businesses in Victoria collapse in the average year ?

Is this year radically different to last year ?

Is there an observable difference in ‘business death’ this year to last ?

That’s the questions you sceptics ask about human lives…..

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  notmenotreally

Go on you tell us. Obviously Melbourne like London is booming. When do you go off watch?

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  notmenotreally

Oh go away you Troll.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Both links worked fine for me just now.

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notmenotreally
notmenotreally
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

I guess you don’t actually watch the TV news ?

Do you think the ‘NHS overloaded’ story is fake ?

The real world situation has been driven by a nasty virus.

Not helped by the idiots on here.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  notmenotreally

Why would anyone with half a brain watch TV news, we leave that to you 77th Brigaders.

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Bertha
Bertha
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

If you have a point you can argue, go ahead.

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Bertha
Bertha
5 years ago
Reply to  Bertha

That wasn’t for lockdoensceptic

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

6 More Quotes From Orwell’s 1984 That Have Come True

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coswV93uYxc

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Great, thanks.
Here’s episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5-Ir0RT-o

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

Delete

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Cat Woman
Cat Woman
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hi Steve – Delete… I want to do my first proper post tomorrow, but wanted to check out my LDS name and how it comes out. I am a little confused. I have a nickname that I can change, but I cannot change my user name, which is what I want to do. If anyone can give me tips on this I would appreciate it.also, if I want to follow my post and the replies, how do I do this? Thanks!

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago

The Empire Strikes Back

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va3ghOIC9bE

Behind the curtain of climate alarmism.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago

Well we finally had the his Fraudulency the globalist puppet installed. Covid should be over pretty soon now. They’ll probably drag it out a few more months though to sell more vaccines.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

I think this may be naive. There are states who have resisted the lockdown measures. They need to be brought to heel.
This will never end. A new world is being created and the old one needs to have crumbled into dust to make way for it.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Ed Phillips

I don’t know you already have lockdown zealots like the don of New York talking about opening up and lessening lockdown. I am not an expert but I don’t think Sleepy Joe can do what the fat pig dictator has done in the UK. He can mandate but the governors can just ignore him. Why would people in Florida go back to wearing masks?

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

He was pictured soon after at Lincoln Memorial (Federal land) unmasked.

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BSK2
BSK2
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Xio Bai Den has mandated the wearing of masks on federal property across all states but he has no power to mandate that they be worn at all times by everyone as that infringes states’ rights.

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

You’re right about installing Beijing Biden, but Covid measures won’t end until human rights are a distant memory and all dissent has been ruthlessly crushed.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

oh, how I wish that were their endgame. I fear the opposite will happen: Beijing Biden (I use that term metonymically of course to refer to the real actors behind this senile old gangster) will now ramp up the scamdemic hoax and the USA will charge full speed ahead into complete ruin, dragging the whole of civilisation in its wake

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Peking Bidden

“When America sneezes, the world catches cold”

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

His Fraudulency II according to Robert Barnes.

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago

Morning all.

Slightly dumbfounded by this overnight DM story.

https://mol.im/a/9169697

I’ll choose to ignore the £350m testing contract dished out to another croney. What disillusioned me is that the contract is for TWO YEARS.

Whyb the fuck do they think we will still need testing in two years time?

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

Make that 20, there’s a hell of a lot of “important” jobs, sorry; careers on this particular “gravy train”; “experts, advisers, assistant experts, assistant advisors, et al”.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Richy_m_99

They intend to keep up this charade through testing.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Blimey, that was quick.(Sometimes there’s no posts in the first 20 minutes never mind the first 5 minutes) A bit of a rush today! (Probably because it was late). And I’ll tell you a story about “Faust”ing ( (or whatever you want to call it).ie the rush for the podium. It was the night of the 31st of December, a terrible year drawing to an end. I happened to be up late, and, perusing lockdownsceptics.org, I noticed that the main page had updated for another day, and a message was staring at me – “be first to comment!”. Well, I decided to take up the challenge, though my heart wasn’t really in it, being a bit tired and fed up. Now as I was writing, a message flashed up on the left that there was a “new” comment, by a certain Fred. The pressure of podium (top of) gone, I abandoned what I had been writing, and looked through Fred’s missive. As I read it, my eyes welling up, I thought, “thank goodness I didn’t take that off the top of btl”. Whatever point I was making (and it was some sort of reasonably serious one) just seemed to pale… Read more »

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Your analogy is a good one because Concorde crashed anyway, and that was the end of the whole supersonic passenger flight project.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That was the excuse for ending it. The real reason was the Americans taxing and regulating it out of the sky because it wasn’t theirs.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

An excuse was all that was needed. Covid is the excuse for everything.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The excuse for, among other things, frightening or lockdown regulating hoi polo out of the skies without having to use the law, tax or rationing air miles.
Greta must be so pleased.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

To be precise it was a counterfeit part falling off a Continental Airlines DC-10 that downed the Air France Concorde.

And to me the 737 MAX reminds me of the MD-11, in that both were modifications of an earlier design where attempting to improve fuel efficiency ended up introducing a dangerous handling deficiency.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Ah, a bit like Grenfell cladding introducing a dangerous fire risk.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Plus the frogs wanted her gone, snecma stopped manufacturing a lot of the engine spares.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Plus the facts that it was noisy, claustrophobic, loss making, dirty and expensive to use. Other than that not too bad for 1950s technology.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Well the globalist filth is back in power so expect to see more of this

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Actually it was 9/11 that killed Concorde, for two reasons:

  1. Many of Concorde’s most loyal passengers worked in the World Trade Center and were killed in 9/11, and
  2. The increased airport security measures following 9/11 largely destroyed Concorde’s speed advantage versus rented private jets (which weren’t subject to the same security requirements, were a lot more flexible, and cost about the same as flying on Concorde).
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RyanM
RyanM
5 years ago

… and probably all of those who are faking outrage over the “abhorrent” comments by Sumpton are perfectly willing to deny the value of human life in the womb.

The hypocrisy doesn’t get much more blatant than that.

Furthermore, lockdown zealots hold their views not out of concern for others, but out of fear. They are absolutely placing value on human life, with their own lives valued more highly than all others.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Lockdown sceptics are not Granny killers (see Sweden, Belarus, the Hasidic Jews etc.). However, one might reasonably suggest that lockdown zealots are child killers given that more children will die from lockdowns than if there had been no lockdowns worldwide.

How much cheaper, and better, would targeted protection have been?

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The globalist filth doesn’t give a rip who all they kill in the process. The more the merrier. They have a depopulation goal to fill

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

but they won’t start with themselves I presume…

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Puzzled by the reference to “value of human life in the womb” – and presume you are talking about the prospective mothers rights to, on the one hand, medical care and attention if she has decided to proceed with the pregnancy and, on the other hand, her rights to medical care and attention if she’s decided to terminate the pregnancy.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Clarifying that obviously a foetus has no rights that trump the womans rights or even come on a par with them.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Children, mothers, fathers, all have rights. A dangerous road to go down though, when one group has the right to act as judge, jury and executioner. Fear is one of the by products according to the science that the peer review medical journeys don’t like to print for political reasons. I suspect that this is one of the reasons why we are living in such a fearful society.

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mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Terminate the child, you mean.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

yeh, don’t get me started on that: the argument is that the foetus can not claim a right to life which involves a violation on someone else’s bodily autonomy – if you can not stand alone, then get fucked, is a pretty neat summary: whether you agree with it or not, at least it is a reasonable position to hold – but that position has been thrown to the winds now, where I am supposed to restrict my oxygen intake, take part in a satanic ritual, and inject poison into my body, so that some 100-year-old can spend a few more months in their semi vegetative state. unbelievable

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

‘Triage’

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Referencing foetus rights, as it’s simply about when we stop being allowed to curtail the life, may I suggest 16 years old so that we can do for those we consider a pain before that?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

People like nothing better than to enjoy a bit of indignation. That’s why the Daily Hatemail is so popular.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

From the main article
‘Another divide that long lockdown might open is that between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated.
The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t’.

The government have a handy template for the new regulations.

h/t Offguardian

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It will be a long walk to freedom.

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TheClone
TheClone
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It used to be called discrimination and used to be frowned upon. Now is for the greater good. If this is not double-speak I don’t know what it is.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

Absolutely true. Wonder who will react back most strongly on any such discrimination between those who’ve never had any discrimination – because they’re male/British/healthy and have stayed in the region of the country they were born in (and so I would imagine have never encountered any sort of discrimination), those on the halfway point (eg same – but a female body and moved to a different region of the country) and those who’ve had a lot of discrimination.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

the problem is ill-definition of the actual evil to be addressed: – rationalists target religion, when what they really mean is irrationality and dogma and superstition, in all of its forms, (and not necessarily always exemplified in religion) , anti-racists target racism, when what they really mean is bigotry and prejudice, which in its extreme forms leads to demonisation, scapegoating, and genocide, (and not necessarily exemplified in every instance of discrimination) – if you don’t define your enemy precisely enough, you will get distracted by red herrings, while it creeps up on you unawares

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That’s a cracker and should be shown to all of the zealots as a sign that they do not beliive in freedom.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago

From the excellent Willbourn piece:

“As for the authorities, we must learn to treat them like an occupying force, with caution and adequate courtesy on the surface and careful disregard underneath. 
Bon courage!”

He’s right. That’s the way people have always lived under tyranny and occupation. Actually it’s how a lot of people in this conquered and occupied country are living now.

Unfortunately, it also involves winking at the iniquities of the tyrant. ‘Mr Cohen. next door? Oh, he … went away … er. I don’t know what happened to him and his family. Really couldn’t tell you. Bye bye, got to go now.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Unless the Cohens are living in your loft.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Especially if the Cohens are living in your loft!

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago

“Sir Patrick said he was pushing ministers for a harder approach against the virus, because their experience since March showed that looser measures easily allowed the virus to resurge.”

So basically, we’ll stay in lockdown until the handsomely paid, unelected, narcissistic, monomaniacal government scientists who are now running this country tell our hopeless coward of a Prime Minister that we are allowed a crumb of freedom, and inevitably harsh restrictions will return towards the end of this year.

I want to see Vallance, Whitty, Van Tam, Ferguson and the rest of this racket hung, drawn and quartered for their crimes against humanity.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Is that the government scientists funded by Bill Gates and Big Pharma? Just to be clear.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

And Whitty has now been lined up for a plum job at Bill Gates’s WHO.

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

What a surprise. (Though I thought it was China’s WHO…)

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Some years ago I had a failed attempt to read a book called the Glass Bead Game by Hermann Hesse, I think it was that failed reading attempt that confirmed the limits of my intellectual capacity! Nonetheless from what I do recall of that book, the way the health tyrants are now approaching covid and health in general seems to have become something of a latter day Glass Bead Game, with the tyrants vying with each other to achieve the highest score of health tyranny in some academic exercise devoid of any sense of reality.
Meanwhile our politicians flounder around pushed back and forth by the tide not waving but drowning and seemingly incapable of doing their job of driving a realistic balanced public health policy.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Today, the health tyranny goes by the name of depopulation and the tyranny is headed up by the eugenicist and vaccinator in chief Bill Gates. Some politicians may be floundering, but not so in the UK, where the important members of the government are clearly enthusiastic depopulators. We need to remember that Boris hails from a family, that had and likely still has, strong eugenicist tendencies. Boris the buffoon and the floundering politician is all an act.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Makes sense of all the shagging, a one man crusade to repopulate the world with his superior stock.

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TheClone
TheClone
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Expect unending lockdowns and be happy!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

And own nothing.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Hanging, d and q is messy.
Just shut them up with one another, in a small cell, with no computer or tv, for life.

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Prof Feargoeson
Prof Feargoeson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They would need to wear N99 masks 24/7 to stop them spreading noscomial infections. Act like you have it.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’d add no heating, water or food. They’d have to eat each other to stay alive.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I think shooting them would be easier and quicker. Plus don’t forget that Mitchie woman, she also deserves to be shot.

Repurpose Tower Hill for such use.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Too kind to them!
Consider the suffering they’ve inflicted on the working poor and our children/young adults; the systematic destruction of people’s livelihoods; of our social structure; the effective abolition of the arts; plus what torture is yet to come for the rest of us.
I think their punishment should be prolonged indefinitely and be psychologically very painful.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Tower Hill should revert to its former use,

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Alci
Alci
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I tend towards turning them into a reality show: put them on an uninhabited Hebridean island – Mingulay? – with nothing but a few horses and sheep, and basic essentials. Perhaps a manual of how islanders used to live there. And a lot of cameras so we can tune in to watch them weave horsehair ropes and abseil down sheer cliffs to collect gulls’ eggs.

They might learn a bit about risk assessment.

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Alci

Fabulous idea. And let’s not give them fire.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
5 years ago
Reply to  Alci

I toyed with this idea last night but came to the conclusion that in order to accommodate such a large group of conspirators we’d probably need to find a rather large island that may very well end up displacing some decent law abiding folk.

I thus propose that as these tech folk and their steadfast political and scientific supporters are marvelled by the advances of the fruit of their own work, let’s put them on giant floating prisons, small cities if you like, powered by wind turbines, naturally, and set them on a course that takes them around every coastline so that everyone the world over can see what happens when one gets a little ahead of oneself and wishes to perform global medical experiments on the general populous.

With all the participants’ wealth and assets seized, it would be fully funded, good for the environment, and even better for mankind. We can call this The Great Reset Act.

To ensure this new policy remains inclusive, competitions will be launched to name each floating utopia.

As the entire BBC will be on one of them, Blue Peter will not be partaking in the competition.

I think it’s got legs.

Last edited 5 years ago by Jez Hewitt
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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

And the politicians.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Heard Neil Oliver on talk radio say this yesterday.

Can a man who’s warm understand one who’s freezing?

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I’m all for flinging that satanic globalist filth right into the nearest active volcano. Less messy and should get them used to the fires of hell

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Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Wow, the WHO has caught up at last on PCR. I suppose anyone who suggests anything different will now be a fake news, no platformed conspiracy theorist (well you never know).

Love the pussy btw

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

They’re slow on the uptake. Makes you wonder what’s the point of them.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Frankly I’ve been asking the same question about most of our organizations as well as our political class.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They’re the conductor of the dysfunctional orchestra.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Well they ignore the WHO recommended cycle rate for the PCR test. I think they say 30 as the limit. I think we are using 45. At that rate they are picking up the cold you had when you were 8. They are cherry picking the “science”. Like the pro mask study that appears just as Creepy Joe hits office. Or the new mutant variant when we need a stricter lockdown!

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Emperor Xi’s son must have lined up some LFT patents and shareholdings.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

Doesn’t the Breast Cancer Screening Programme cancellation request justify the point that Lord Sumption was trying to make?
I think it does. Covid only health service.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

The lives of women threatened with breast cancer are obviously less valuable.

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WasSteph
WasSteph
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Even if we weren’t due for a screening in the last 10 months we have now all had our next screening delayed by a total of approximately 4 months and counting. That will be the difference between detecting a treatable early stage cancer and it having progressed to a much more serious disease in some. How is that justifiable?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

Actually it means that the lives of all women are less valuable.
Have they also stopped screening for prostate cancer?
If so, the only conclusion is that your life is only valuable if you’ve got Covid. I suppose that gives a reason for acting as if you’ve got it.

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Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

There is no screening for prostate cancer in this country.
High psi numbers are sometimes normal, and it has been deemed to lead to unnecessary investigations.

My father in Germany goes for a check up at least once a year, where the doctor puts their finger inside.
The they might do a psi test.
When I asked my over 70y friend here in GB a few years ago if he ever had a rectal exam, he said no.

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mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

however the government do it metaphorically on a regular basis

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I don’t think they screened for prostate cancer. The argument, I believe, was that it was not accurate enough. Probably more reliable than pcr.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Doesn’t your GP have to get pretty up close and personal for that?
Definitely no ongoing prostate screening then!

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Its very sad when you have to defend a valid point and something that goes on all the time in care homes. The most idiotic argument comes from the woman with terminal cancer. If you had cancer right now you would be dead because there is a backlog and you would not be getting a diagnosis or treatment. That’s what should be making you angry you muppet not someone making a point about quality of life calculations.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Years ago when the NHS database was hacked they lost millions of patients records although this was never admitted. I decided to have a private breast screening as the NHS couldn’t deliver on time because of shortage of screening staff and closing down of many screening centres. The private hospital I attend for this procedure has never been able to recover my records from the NHS. When I go for my screening I am given a CD with images of my results. My results are always back within 48 hours having been reviewed by two consultants. The NHS breast screening service is not fit for purpose in the 21st-century.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

When my son had a serious climbing accident he was sent between the first hospital and the specialist eye hospital in an ambulance with a CD of all his records because the two NHS hospitals did not have compatible IT systems. When his firm’s medical insurance transferred him to private treatment the same consultants were there but the greatest benefit was that they hadn’t lost his records between treatments.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

And we have folks screaming for all that FREEEEEEE socialized medicine. A) I’m pretty sure it’s not free, and B) … they get to tell you what you can and can’t do and when you’ll get it. But only if it’s Covid.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

yeh, breast cancer victims’ lives are much less valuable than ‘covid’ victims’ lives (a disease that doesn’t even exist – if you untangle all the lies and clear away the obfuscation, you get to the real point, which is that nobody’s lives matter, and public health services no longer exist)

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Dear Pig Dictator and Mandy

We have now been under house arrest for the best part of a year

You have bankrupted the country

You have produced statistics for infections and deaths that are works of fiction

You have beaten us, locked us up and mentally tortured us

You are the guys with the bright ideas. What are you going to do now?

CBD

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TheClone
TheClone
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The country might have been bankrupted but a lot “good guys” made a fortune! And they will continue to tell you it is for your own good. For the greater good!

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

More of the same. It’s the on,ply idea they’ve got.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

This reminds me of a guy who worked at spittalfields Market when I worked there. He was having problems with his breathing and pain in his chest. Like all manly stupid men they did not go straight to the doctors he just carried on. When the pain got so bad eventually he went to the doctors. He was always a heavy smoker and the doctors told him he had terminal cancer and there was nothing that could be done for him and he had about four months to live. He then asked, should I give up smoking?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

Life is filled with ironies, as the story (in the Woke section) about Leicester University neatly illustrates. For the past year academics have been busily promoting the narrative that the coronavirus is an unprecedented threat that requires unprecedented measures. This narrative has justified terrible harm; harm that these carriers never envisioned would be visited upon themselves. Leicester’s funding problem is but the tip of a very large iceberg. The devastation inflicted on the economy will increasingly make itself felt in all sectors of society: the universities will find they have less and less funding, and more and more academics will find their assumed security was nothing more than a comfortable illusion. It is not only the universities that will struggle for funding as the results of the wilful decimation of the economy in the name of combating the virus make themselves felt. The NHS (to pick an organisation not entirely at random) will find that the public purse is simply not capacious enough to continue to provide the (roughly) two hundred billion pounds a year it thinks it needs. Indeed, there will be less money for public services across the board. When the costs of all these now inevitable reductions… Read more »

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Boris goes woke

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

He was being asked about Biden, the new president of the US. Do you expect him to publicly denounce Biden’s (professed) ideological position?

Last edited 5 years ago by Steve Hayes
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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Boris went woke long before Biden. Yes I realise its an unrealistic expectation, but i’d like politicians to stay to true to their proclaimed principles.

I know I see the absurdity of using principles & politicians in the same sentence. But the facts speak for themselves & boris hasn’t been speaking out over identity politics!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

What a hypocrite! Goes with the job I suppose.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“The NHS (to pick an organisation not entirely at random) will find that the public purse is simply not capacious enough to continue to provide the (roughly) two hundred billion pounds a year it thinks it needs.”

The public purse is bottomless, because the public purse is simple section 15(3) of the Exchequer and Audit departments act 1866, where the Treasury orders the Bank of England to make the payments authorised by Parliament.

It cannot and will not run out no matter how hard you believe, because that isn’t and never has been how public provision is funded. The Spending comes first and the tax is a consequence of that, not the other way around as commonly believed.

If there are people to be hired, then government can always hire them. Economically saving acts like taxation so there is plenty of space for them to hire. The less the private sector does, the more the public sector can do.

If you’re waiting for “the markets” to save you from this, you’ll be waiting a long time. That is a monetary illusion.

Last edited 5 years ago by Lucan Grey
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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

I am pleased to see that you have discovered the magic money forest. Mr Sunak is going to need it.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

He’s been living in it since last March, along with Winnie-the-Pooh, a Bear of Very Little Brain.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

It will be your children and grandchildren that will be paying it off, not mine as I don’t have any.
I repeat the advice offered to G. Brown “Spend Spend Spend !”

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

This is a fallacy that always gives me a chuckle. ‘The monetary system‘ isn’t regulated by natural process, “money” is a human construct, there are no hard fast rules, economics can be manipulated however unaccountable banks desire.

Human labour does not produce a single penny (technically)! Governments & banks proactively introduce money into the system at will. The monetary system is simply a method of control! Privately run unaccountable NGO’s can do as they please & governments by & large are at their mercy.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I’m very interested in what you say – can you recommend any books to me which have influenced your thinking and led you to your conclusions?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Look up the YouTube videos by Mike Maloney on the source of money.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Why not mandate a minimum wage of £100/hour then. For a 35 hour week, 52 weeks a year – £182k for everyone. All problems solved!

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Jinks
Jinks
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Or give every native child £250k trust fund from a sovereign fund

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Covidiot
Covidiot
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Spot on. Too many people have absolutely no idea how the monetary system works. Far too many have been sold the ‘household finances’ lie

Last edited 5 years ago by Covidiot
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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

A friend of my wife’s, a lecturer in Geography at a Russell Group university, recently announced that she’d been granted tenure. Whilst I’m very pleased for her personally, it seems a very bizarre time for universities to be deciding on such open-ended commitments. It’s almost as if they are deliberately inflating their overhead costs in advance of an impending crash, confident that the government will feel compelled to underwrite the eye-watering redundancy costs that will follow….

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s no surprise that English Language is taking hit at Leicester University the way johnson and co are mangling it; redefining ‘pandemic’, vaccine’, ‘safe’ among many other words.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Amongst all the words they are mis-using are all the key terms in the coronavirus narrative. Every single one. Equivocation has been the one constant of the discourse. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/12/coronavirus-equivocation.html

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bluemoon
bluemoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Agreed. It’s when I first became a sceptic, back in early May (yes a latecomer to the sceptic ball) when I noticed how the language was changing.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Well said. The universities for years have also heavily relied on international (non-EU) students for funds. I came here as one and the fees were eye watering made worse that we were not allowed to take out any loans and had to be fully self sufficient. What I perceived as the low value for money and lack of support from my university led me to resent home students simply partying and getting drunk while spending their student loan money on Topshop shopping spees and Xbox games while EU students were allowed to take out loans with many leaving the country not bothering to pay them back when they finish. And I was helping pay for this shower! Not only have they seen their foreign students as cash cows but the way they treat students in general is appalling – the lack of pastoral care, bullying and no real teaching. The virus has exposed cruelly that our universities have been weighed on the balances and found wanting. I can imagine that the universities will be heavily strapped for cash even more as less and less foreign students come and they’re taken to court by irate students and their parents for their… Read more »

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

HECK NO

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TC
TC
5 years ago

Robert Clancy’s article is a good read.
Promotes looking at HCQ and Ivermectin and doubys on vaccines.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  TC

It is a good article but a challenging read! I think I get the idea. In a way it sort of confirms why I have doubts about flu/cold and coronavirus vaccines but am OK with vaccines for polio and yellow fever. But more than that it does indicate to me that it is the health tyrants and the big business money vaccine promoters whio have ‘blood on their hands’ by pushing the treatment options to one side when increasing evidence is coming forward of the positive role they could and should play in a public health response to SARS-Cov2. They wanted total control big money vaccine solutions and people have suffered because they pigheadedly insisted that was the only solution.

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danny
danny
5 years ago

Awful story in the press today about a young man who went to hospital for chest pains. They forced him to take a Covid test and then Ben admitted to the Covid ward anyway. The man was so worried about them catching it, having a young baby at home, he discharged himself, before tragically dying of a heart attack back home in front of his children. And then the “test” came back negative anyway.
I am not somebody who believes in cherry picking stories to push an agenda, as that is exactly what the lockdown fanatics and the media do. Give them facts, they respond with anecdotal stories. But this is just criminal. The NHS is there to heal and protect, and they (plus the media) are entirely responsible for this sad tale. It is just such an avoidable death.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The administering of a medical/health procedure without prior informed voluntary consent is unethical. Yet the NHS will not admit patients unless they submit to a Covid test. This is institutionalised systematic violation of the basic ethics of the medical profession.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yes any medical procedure should be voluntary & only given with clear informed consent. It should be a criminal act for the NHS to deny medical treatment.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

The NHS is there to pay it’d employees and for no other reason

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Hospitals are a major source of infections (its why i am logically phobic of them) testing patients for infectious disease during a respiratory disease season, is a sensible precaution.

The people to blame for this tragic case are the domestic terrorists in government using phycology to create hysteria.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

LOL ‘phycology’ no nothing to do with algae, Psychology*

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

A friend of mine was shown the door by an NHS hospital for refusing the covid test – he was having an asthma attack, they had him on a nebuliser at the time.

He did not want to become another stat used by the government to lockdown his region and cause job losses, so refused several repeated requests to be tested.

He recovered at home.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

This violation of medical ethics would in previous times have resulted in disciplinary action. Ethics have been abandoned. When this has happened in the past, it has had terrible results.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Good piece from NHS doctor on this.

https://thecritic.co.uk/boiling-the-bioethical-frog/

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The Hippocratic Oath and compassion has gone out of the window.

Hippocrates is now rolling in his grave.

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Liewe
Liewe
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It is now the Hypocrite Oath

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago

“Yet this hasn’t stopped people twisting his views, calling them “abhorrent” and comparing him to a eugenicist.”

Lord Sumption’s mistakes was to engage with his interlocutor using ‘Logos’, which is what you would expect from a Judge and a rational individual.

That’s not how identity politics works, which uses ‘Pathos’, and any ‘ethos’ it has is entirely scaled to how good their ‘pathos’ is.

What he should have done is asked how many childhood leukaemia victims should die so she should live. How many premature baby incubators should be left unattended so she could be vaccinated.

Remember they don’t think. They feel.

It’s all about the fee-fees, and we now make policy based on those.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Difficult for a learned, intelligent, rational human being.

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SimonCook
SimonCook
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Good morning Lucan, You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s about the emotional, not rational argument. Literally last night, I retweeted Dr Clare Craig’s very important question about the origin of lockdown (as it seems according to the notes of meetings that Sage didn’t ever recommend them). I think that’s a pretty bloody big question that needs asking. Minutes afterwards I received my first twitter message from a Dad I like and know quite well via our boy’s football exploits over the years – to my knowledge we are both on the left politically and remainers. He asked me to see what “my anti-lockdown pals” think of Dr Rachel Clarke’s latest tweet and also how the latest deaths she refers to don’t include Christmas mixing. I won’t lie, I couldn’t sleep well last night and woke early this morning as it really really got to me. He has in the past retweeted Morgan, Sridhar and Monbiot – all 3 people I couldn’t fundamentally disagree with more, but I would never ever dream of having a go at him about it – on the basis that he’s fully entitled to his opinion as I am mine. I composed a strong… Read more »

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

It’s a cult, you are wasting your time

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SimonCook
SimonCook
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Cult is exactly it Cecil, no other way to put it.

It was the passive-aggressive nature of it got to me the most – very unseemly. As I say, I would never have done the same to him, as I believe in the right of others to hold views that I disagree with.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

it’s a shock to us all, probably until recently we had only heard of deranged cult members but didn’t think we had ever met any, they belonged to some other world far away from us, but now we find that we are living in one, and its most deranged proponents include people we trusted, loved, respected

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SimonCook
SimonCook
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Thank you Jane and yes your last line sums it up perfectly.

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Liewe
Liewe
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

It’s still important to get your well considered view out there. Even if you don’t make inroads with the friend, others might read and be influenced by your message.
It’s always a mistake to let the bullies get the last word in. We are also pissed off at the misinformation the Lockdowners are spreading.

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janejakobs
janejakobs
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

“I won’t lie, I couldn’t sleep well last night and woke early this morning as it really really got to me.” I’ve been reading here and on other lockdown critical forums (ie Reddit) since March and generally just lurk. Something that is very special about the community here — and you don’t see anywhere else — is that people are able to talk about normal human experiences like the pain of these passive aggressive interactions. You might not realize it, but internet culture has made people deny themselves basic human feelings. They believe it is not “logical” to be hurt, hence they tell themselves they are not hurt at all and pretend to laugh things off, to dismiss it with snark, to bully back… just nasty stuff. I’m convinced that this mindset gives us masks and lockdowns. Because people completely out of touch with their humanity and their social needs think that you can go around willy-nilly being rude or being isolated without it mattering. “I am LOGIC, I ain’t no fee-fee!” These idiots’ idea of a rational being is to completely lose touch with reality. So what I’m saying is that when commenters here can talk normally about normal… Read more »

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SimonCook
SimonCook
5 years ago
Reply to  janejakobs

I’m glad it helped Jane and pleased to make your acquaintance (albeit virtually).

What made it worse, is that I retweeted the message from Dr Clare Craig at about 9.30pm, wanted an early night, but went to check on the Fulham/United final score at 9.45pm on my phone. That was a fatal mistake, as I spotted the twitter message and then didn’t actually get to sleep till around midnight.

You live and learn as they say.

Best regards

Simon

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“What he should have done is asked how many childhood leukaemia victims should die so she should live. How many premature baby incubators should be left unattended so she could be vaccinated.”

The problem with that line of argument is that your opponent has dragged you down to their level with “feelz” and then they will beat you with experience.

Or to put it another way never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

Maybe our message is too complicated and we need to start using some simple facts. My first suggestion is:

Excess deaths for 4 weeks to 1 May 2020:      39401

Excess deaths for 4 weeks to 1 January:         8,179 (or about 6,700 after accounting for reporting delays due to bank holidays)

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

LOCKDOWN’s don’t work, Simple’s.

Short & sweet enough? Contains the same amount of science as the zero covid zealots assertions.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Ou est le Flu?

Simple. Deep. & French.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Reclassified?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Simple facts:

Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.

Do you think that is simple enough?

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

“Snowdon Quillette Response” – Ivor Cummins gives Christopher Snowdon’s recent pro-lockdown piece a full Fisking

Snowdon owned by Cummins, this was one of the funniest lockdown zealot demolitions Ive read. Cummins at his best (or at least the best ive seen).

On a serious note I look forward to see Ivor explain empirically what’s happened with the spike in deaths in January, it does seem to contradict Yeadon et-al’s 2nd wave assertions.

Don’t read this wrong, i don’t believe in waves or the official narrative either, but Jans stats need a science based explanation, when the data comes in.

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Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

If you look at the excess deaths in December / January per the ONS figures, there is no spike. The 8 Jan figure reflects under-reporting in the previous 2 weeks of around 4,000 deaths.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

this winter looks like a normal seasonal virus pattern – ‘excess’ deaths are within reasonable limits considering the NHS was essentially closed for a lot of the year

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Maybe I’m doing something stupid, but I’m getting nowhere with that link.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Help!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Its above in lockdownsceptics media roundup, i was just quoting.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Its a pdf link your OS may be the issue

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

OK thanks – I couldn’t link in the media roundup either. But if other people are having no problems the fault must be at my end. I’m looking forward to reading it!

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Got to it now – good on him.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I think when we get the all cause death numbers this will show the true picture. They only quote covid deaths not all deaths. And they should not be surprised if deaths increase for non covid issues as you have stopped treatment for anyone who does not have covid. Lockdown causes death this is provable and totally ignored. I am afraid this is all politics. Its the nhs with a once in a lifetime chance to get increased funding. Who cares about the increasing suicides, the cancer patients, my mate waiting for a heart operation since last November who is now having to go private as its been put back again, all the missed mammograms, the missed appointments. All so the nhs can get their fucking grubby hands on a bit more cash.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Data is PCR noise and lockdowns kill. So what exactly is your baseline? We’re through the looking glass now. We’ve invented a new language

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Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago

Vaccine discrimination? Well who’d have thought it? It’s only what various members of the public have been predicting for months, but now the Daily Telegraph has woken up to it, it becomes official. The truth is, this was planned from the beginning.

According to Unherd in November, vaccine refusal in the UK was running at 21%. In the US it was 36% and in France 46%. Expect these figures to reduce as people cave in; nevertheless, a significant minority of refusers remains our best hope of deflecting the government’s plans.

https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-is-france-full-of-anti-vaxxers/

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

How will they know you are vaccinated? By your digital/health passport.By Sunak pronouncements this week we can see furlough morphing into some sort of UBI.
We only need the digital currency and the takeover is complete.This will be instituted in the wake of the coming economic crash.
We will have a small window of opportunity when the weather breaks and before a critical mass of people have been ‘vaccinated’

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

A window to do what?

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

To stop this before it becomes too late.

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
5 years ago

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

Another cracking episode. The songs are great too specially the punk one. Nice guitar tone too.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago

‘Another divide that the long lockdown might open up is between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated. The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t. Indeed, discrimination could be a deliberate instrument of policy if achieving herd immunity is deemed to be compromised by the refuseniks.’  Good luck with this. We all know that the vaccine is not being offered to all age groups at the same time, with younger adults at the back of the queue. I’m not quite sure that young people, who have already had their lives and futures utterly trashed at the altar of the NHS to extend (not save) the lives of the elderly by a few months/years, will be very happy if they are still restricted from living a normal life and enjoying the rites of passage that young people do, while elderly boomers are jetting off to Spain and Portugal for their yearly tan. And anyway, discrimination on the basis of medical choices and conditions is illegal. It really is as simple as that. I know I keep saying it on here but this is what scares me the most out of this whole farce. It really is terrifying that other… Read more »

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I agree with you and I am very pessimistic about things.

But I do think that the idea that they will be able to force a medical intervention on us is being grossly overstated.

Discrimination of that sort is a big big step.

If it happens, I think we can call it the end of western civilisation right there. No exaggeration.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They forced masks on us.they forced us to stay in our homes.It is not a great leap.First you gain a critical mass of the population.Then you take one of 2 actions.Attack the refuseniks,blame them for for the fact that freedoms haven’t been restored or reward those who have had the jab.Both actions will slowly turn the screw and you will be left with a small remnant who can be transferred to the quarantine camps as they are a danger to public health.
These are not predictions just thinking out loud.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They managed it in the dog world and there has never been a law passed that vaccines in dogs in the UK are mandatory. However if your dog does not get vaccinated every year and show the proof, your dog is prevented from every public event, like dog shows, cannot stay in kennels, has to forgo dog training classes, dog walkers won’t and can’t take them. Councils give these companies organisations licences and that is part of the conditions, all dogs and cats must be up to date with relevant vaccines. What sticks in my throat with the push for humans to get a vaccine that’s not a vaccine in any way I understand vaccines is the administering to the elderly and the vulnerable at all, as this is the biggest reason dog owners are guilt tripped into vaccinating their dogs every year, it’s to protect the dogs that can’t have the vaccine because they are vulnerable and old. The governments around the world have started a vaccination program on the very same groups in humans that would NOT be vaccinated at all in dogs. The vaccines for dogs have been around for a lot longer than the vaccines made… Read more »

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Cumbriacracked
Cumbriacracked
5 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

That is incorrect about dogs. In the UK vaccines are not required to get insurance or to go to dog shows. Some kennels and dog walkers, training classes require vaccines but not all. The requirement for annual vaccinations, with the exception of lepto, is no longer an annual requirement, 3 year vaccines is detailed by the vaccine companies. Vets will say annually but if owners do their homework they will find it is not the case. Annual vaccinations are for profit not for the health of the animals. Titre level testing to check animals immunity is far more preferable than vaccination.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
5 years ago
Reply to  Cumbriacracked

It depends on councils. One may accept titres and another doesn’t. All of the kennels in my area require vaccines, as do the dog walkers and the training classes. Or at least pre covid. You are fortunate in your area if there is training classes that don’t require proof of vaccines.
I haven’t found one in my area that didn’t require them and my dogs are vaccinated and have been titred and proven to have antibodies but that doesn’t count in my area unfortunately.

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cumbriacracked

Yes, you’re absolutely right. I have my dogs vaccinated when they are puppies but don’t do it beyond the first booster, because it isn’t necessary. I have never put my dogs in kennels but advice came out about 4 years ago that titre testing would suffice.
Vets have been concerned for years about over-vaccination, hence open letter to RCVS about 16 years ago to reduce the vaccines. of course most vets hated that because 40% of their revenue is from vaccines. In the US they are more questioning and the drugs that were licenced yearly were licenced 3 yearly as stated above. People get bullied into annual vaccines.

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Liewe
Liewe
5 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Speaking as a veterinarian – I totally agree with you. Even with the release of vaccines that are valid for 3+ years, airlines and kennels have steadfastly refused to change their “thou shalt have an annual vaccine” garbage. For our patients we try and limit vaccination as much as possible as we see side effects on a regular basis.

This is the worry with human vaccine mandates, once they are in place it will be virtually impossible to reverse it.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
5 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

This is my worry also “This is the worry with human vaccine mandates, once they are in place it will be virtually impossible to reverse it.”

There has been a campaign with some to make it mandatory in the dog world for some time, fortunately these people seem to be in the minority but with humans it’s different as it involves all of us, not just dog owners. If the people I know are anything to go by, who are mainly not scared of this virus but they go along with what is happening without argument and if this lot say OK I’ll have the vaccine to keep my job, go on holiday or get into a restaurant we have lost.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Most of the shots for dogs are to prevent really awful diseases like rabies and distemper. Rabies is a once every 3 years shot. Our vet said once every 3 years is good enough for the other shots as well.

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I’m not sure about vaccine passports

either the vaccine works and its not necessary or it doesn’t work very well – even the vaccinated have to carry on locking down etc – which is the way it seems to be going

I think by the time the vulnerable have been vaccinated we will have data about efficacy and side effects and I suspect the government will pivot to it being an injection just for the vulnerable – like flu

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muzzle
muzzle
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

They will want to announce a victory this year so that they can take all the credit and Hancock can get knighted.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  muzzle

There are many dreaming of a future where there is a sword in close proximity to Hancock’s neck.

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zubin
zubin
5 years ago
Reply to  muzzle

My feelings exactly

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  muzzle

Sir jimmy savile.
Enough said.

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WasSteph
WasSteph
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

There is no way this government could organise a nationwide register of who has been vaccinated and who has not. It is simply beyond their capabilities. I’d bet they’d struggle to provide an accurate list of who has so far been offered it let alone who has had one or two doses and of what vaccine. There will even be instances of it not recorded correctly on an individual’s medical record, let alone joining all of that data up.

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muzzle
muzzle
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

I completely agree. No idea who has had it. They’d need to have been organised properly from the start.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

I agree practically it would be incredibly difficult, but for me it is a matter of principle. The fact that the government and MSM are making noises of mandation, even if it’s logistically impossible, is unethical and wrong.

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muzzle
muzzle
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

And illegal.

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rose
rose
5 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

I’m hoping to be marked as vaccinated after not turning up to the appointment like the people who were given positive tests after not turning up for their tests!

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  rose

I was wondering that – is it better just not to turn up and say lockdown has gone on so long you’ve lost track of time (true) or just to decline which puts you on another list somewhere?

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rose
rose
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

I’m just going to keep not turning up. Actually I don’t know why they think I still exist as I never turn up to any of their invites and haven’t been to see a doctor for more than 20 years. Unless to admit that I might not exist will mean that they won’t get the £1000/year or however much it is that they get for a person on their books

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Well my wife is in her early 40s and works for a local council and they are pressuring them to have the vaccine and soon it will probably be a requisite for her to keep her job. This has already put a huge strain on our family as her entire extended family are hard core pro vaccine, Covid zealots and some think (including my MIL ) that I should maybe be hospitalized for being so anti lockdown basically a covid denier witch person. I said o her that she should take i as then at least one of us will be able to go on holiday with my daughter going forward. Because lets not kid ourselves, this is where this whole thing is going. We are going to be second class citizens, apartheid is going to look like a bright future we want as we are not allowed entry into sports events, cinemas, museums, trains, planes…It’s coming and if they need to they will change the law, nothing matters but ZERo Covid policy.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

If the ‘vaccines’ turn out to have terrible side-effects (like the ones for H1N1) won’t they have to pull the plug on this? Could this be why they have started saying only one jab not two will be enough- not due to a shortage but a fear of the consequences seeing what’s happening in other countries.?

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

You allude to an important point. Those having the vaccine now might feel as if they’ve been ‘saved’, and as the jabs progress among the wider not-at-risk-from-covid population doubtless many will feel smugly virtuous.

Also, the type of under-70 who has the jab is more likely to be the ‘worrying’ type, rather than the sort of person who makes rational evidence-based assessments.

But it has to be odds on that some horrible side effects will become apparent, although they will probably take months and more likely years to do so.

Take narcolepsy, for example, as with the previous jab. Supposed it becomes apparent that one or more of the covid jabs causes this crippling disease, even only in small numbers. Every time one of those virtue-signallers feels a bit drowsey they’ll be worried they are coming down with it. Same with ADE – every time they get a cold they’ll be worried to death that the cytokine storm is going to kick in. And because they are the worrying type, they won’t think about it rationally, they will just dwell on it and let it fester. For years and years, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I think ADE is the ticking timebomb but of course much harder to prove than the short term effects coming to light right now.

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Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

Personally I think this is going to happen, although it’s a double-edged sword. It is terrible that innocent people are going to be harmed, but it does need to stop. What they will do when the vaccine isn’t the silver bullet – who knows?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo

They could save face by using saline!

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Agree to the vaccine on production of a signed liability letter (hint – they won’t)

https://freedomtaker.com/

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

What makes it worse, as many people have said before, is the fact that the jab is not a vaccine and is actually experimental gene therapy – if it was a ‘normal’ vaccine which has been properly tested with far fewer side effects than the illness itself, we wouldn’t have to be coerced- doesn’t the coercion suggest we are right to be concerned?

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

All you young people need to resist this. Much older than you, I am also refusing the GenTech, so I will not be jetting off anywhere (including back to UK).

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

‘It is a surprising statistic but over 11 million people in the UK have a criminal record. A third of men and nine per cent of women will have been convicted of an offence by the age of 53′

The Stasi have accidently deleted 400,000 of these records

I suspect the 400,000 is the tip of the iceberg and the number of deleted files is much larger

By my calculation that is one in 27 of records deleted

There is a 50,000 case backlog in the Crown Courts that will never be cleared

All the magistrates courts round here are closed because of covid

I wouldn’t be too worried about getting a covid fine

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That many! I’d never realised it was that big. Well that gives me grounds to shout all the more loudly if they ever do have a go at me with a Lockdown penalty of “You’re doing this to a person with a totally clear criminal record/never done a thing wrong in my life (at nearly 70) – so you’re obviously getting the wrong person. Go after criminals matey – not me!”

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Something like three-quarters of working-class men under the age of thirty, apparently. Mercifully the vast majority of them seem to leave it behind as they get older.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The other day in the roundup it was said that S.(?) Australia police had stopped prosecuting under lockdown laws and were instead ‘just issuing cautions’.
Do not under any circumstances accept such a caution. It is an admission of your guilt and becomes your criminal record.

The police love them because it goes toward their target for ‘sanctioned conviction’ ( or somesuch). They have identified a crime, identified the offender who has been successfully penalised.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Not accidental

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Data is never deleted. Unless it was all on a single server which exploded. They are lying to you.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago

re- the article ATL on universities: they are one area which actually could really benefit from a ‘great reset’ – ie, let’s just bulldoze them all to the ground and see what, if anything, arises anew. in fact, the whole of the education sector, from nursery upwrds, and the whole of the legacy media, the parliament and the government, and last but not least, the bloody NHS – all these things are so corrupt and rotten to the core that they have become nothing but a cancer on society, and all have been instrumental in bringing us to where we are today

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Fully agree. Have quackademic professors (professing their anti-white cultural Marxism) in the family, with Phds (pretty happy dudes with the bullshit piled on high and deep). Never worked. Never sweated. Wouldn’t know which end of a broom to use. Indoctrination is their game. Too many Unis, too many useless degrees, too many useless quacks teaching, too much public funding, too much private debt. The whole edifice needs to be burnt. Daycare and brainwashing for young adults is what it looks like to me.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Who’s paying you to write this crap? Clearly no university would let you in and it’s sour grapes.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Completely agree. A young relative of mine went off to a Russell Group uni a fairly politically balanced omnivore and graduated as a full on tofu munching, open toed sandal wearing, Guardian reader and politically far-left.

That’s the level of indoctrination that you get.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

For a start let’s the defund the following universities: Imperial, UCL, Soas then move on to the rest.

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jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Oh so it’s the teachers you’re blaming? This is what happens in every totalitarian state because the one thing they want to destroy is independent thought, isn’t it?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  jos

Well that’s two things that do not go together in modern universities, university teachers and independent free thought. Oh look a right wing viewpoint burn them!

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zubin
zubin
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Totally agree

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

I’ll get over the fact I can’t ever go on a Saga coach trip for the rest of my life. Eventually. Time is a great healer.

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Prof Feargoeson
Prof Feargoeson
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I believe Acceptance is the final stage of grief.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It’s blatantly illegal and I can’t wait for someone to test it out / be weighed in with a very large compensation payment.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Can you imagine the adverts when this is all over?

Have you been discriminated and harassed because you couldn’t wear a mask?

Were you forced to take a vaccine and suffered side effects as a result?

etc, etc….

The lawyers will be circling around companies like vultures because you can bet that we will be hearing loads of cases like this as the narrative starts to crumble.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Nevermind the claims for those who had to wear masks all day and suffered side effects. Risk assessments would clearly show that it was more deterimental to wear the masks than of the risk of catching a respiratory disease.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

That too. Here’s hoping companies have deep pockets because of the amount of compensation they will have to pay for all these.

Hence too why employees should start claiming exemptions.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Won’t be surprised if they’re getting people cancelling because of the announcement.

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

And this.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I hadn’t planned on going either but if they are descriminating I think I will send a letter to them.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I am in the Saga age group but why the fuck would I ever go on holiday with them? A load of old winging Karen’s reporting me for removing my mask to sunbathe. And a load of wrinkled old fat blokes in speedos wearing socks and sandals. I just wonder what they think the jab is giving them? You can still catch and pass on covid. So you might not die but you can still be a spreader. Anyone know what the male equivalent of a “Karen” should be? A Norman??

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Someone on Twitter months ago suggested “Kevin” as “Karen”‘s counterpart.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Mmmm I like it, and can see it on their Ford Capri windscreen

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zubin
zubin
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Dolores Cahill starting up freedom air – flying without vax, mask, test etc

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago

From the England NHS website – as it has always been:

COVID-19 daily announced deaths
The daily announced files below are available daily from 2 April 2020 and contains information on the deaths announced that day of patients who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19 or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate.

So a completely arbitrary attribution with no strict set of requirements. And you wonder why “Covid” deaths can be so large?

Because it was always engineered to be this way.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

These figures are as accurate as the 96% effective for the vaccine

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steve_w
steve_w
5 years ago

I feel we have lost the current battle We are in a lockdown until March/April/Summer

I feel different now. My freedoms were never real – they were a mirage – can be taken away at any time by an over-zealous health sector

If they opened up everything now I’d still feel despondent because I still wouldn’t be free – it would feel temporary until the next ‘crisis’

The only way we can get back to normal is to admit – as a society – lockdown was a tragic mistake, punish the perpetrators and say it will never happen again. I feel we are a long way from that

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

My freedoms were never real – they were a mirage

You have awoken to reality, commiserations.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Another way to look at this is to notice how many ordinary activities people are doing despite lockdown.Whilst so many things have been done which are destructive – deliberately – to small businesses in particular, the government control of ordinary folk is limited, and we see again and again that people are not complying.

We do need to see justice – we do need to see more than a public enquiry. We need to see SAGE disbanded, and we need to see a restoration of all freedoms. But in the meantime, just keep an eye on the ordinary people – applying the rules as and when it suits them.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

Totally agree, I have to walk my dog round Southend-on-Sea as my park is a flooded muddy mess and Southend-on-Sea is all paved. The roads are busy and the seafront packed. One or two mask wearing zealots, but mostly very old folk who I can understand. We live the life we are allowed. If they actually did allow us to “let it rip” this would be all over in a week and you would see how insignificant the numbers of lockdown zealots there were.

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Woden
Woden
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Its great going about saying fuck it, but you still can’t go to the pub, have a meal out, see a film, go to a gig , theatre etc, So the world diminishes due to the diktat of the maniacs.

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Good to see a piece above the line about universities

Unlike schools, they never really reopened in any meaningful sense

The govt got a free pass on that, as on so much

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John
John
5 years ago

With regards to the Saga saga, this is from the BBC article on the subject
”British-registered ship the Diamond Princess, owned by the company Carnival, was quarantined for nearly a month in February in the Port of Yokohama in Japan. 
More than 700 of its 3,711 passengers and crew were infected, and 14 died. “
The language used in the last sentence is revealing. “More than 700” instead of 20% of the total complement of whom 0.5% died, with no reference to the ages or comorbidities of those infected or deaths. This is an IFR of 0.5%.

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stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  John

2% IFR surely?

But under 0.4% of the population.

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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

You’re correct, ☹️

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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

What is needed is the demographics of those on board.
Applying the Feynman approach:
It would be interesting to see what predictions the Ferguson model makes using the data from the Diamond Princess.

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mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes but it highlights a fallacy in IFR when thinking about populations. The Exposure Fatality Rate is what we are talking about when we talk about the flu as the whole population is typically exposed. Even though it is called IFR because 60% of people develop it per season. So the fatality rate is related to those who catch it.

The Diamond Princess was a demonstration in saturation effects, something that often takes months to a year. It is an accelerated life test.

Another example is the supposed efficacy of the recent vaccines were relatively vaccinated groups faired better but the problem was the noise floor for this group was already within false positive rates for the tests they used.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  John

All the coronavirus experts knew this was a floating experimental study. It’s incredible how accurately they called it. Meanwhile, everyone called them deluded, or worse.

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Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I’m a nobody with a degree that people make fun of and can’t make a decent graph to save her life yet I figured it out back in March. I very accurately predicted the covid death rate for Australia. My figures were off by single digits.

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