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by Conor Chaplin
25 January 2021 3:46 AM

Government Extends Coronavirus Laws Without Telling Anyone

Christopher Hope reports in the Telegraph on the latest sneaky move by the Government.

The Government has quietly extended lockdown laws to give councils the power to close pubs, restaurants, shops and public spaces until July 17th this year.

The news will be a major setback for those hoping that life might have returned to normal by early summer once more people are vaccinated against coronavirus.

It comes after Boris Johnson admitted late last week that “it’s too early to say when we’ll be able to lift some of the restrictions”.

The Government had pledged to review the lockdown measures in the middle of next month.

The changes to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No.3) Regulations 2020 were made as part of a review of the third lockdown by Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, earlier this month.

This law (originally introduced on July 18th last year) allows a local authority to close or limit access to premises or outdoor spaces in its area to prevent the spread of coronavirus, including stopping events.

The regulation, which applies to England only, was due to expire last week but has now been extended until July 17th, around the date when school summer holidays begin, as part of a slew of other measures.

Mark Harper, the chairman of the Coronavirus Recovery Group of Tory MPs which is campaigning against unnecessary restrictions, said: “The extension of councils’ Covid powers until July will be of great concern to those worried about their jobs and businesses.

“Given the limited time allowed for debate this change in the law was little noticed.” 

It comes as Health Secretary Matt Hancock said in an interview on Sky News that we are a “long, long, long way off lifting lockdown restrictions”. Three “long”s in a row will not give much reassurance to beleaguered businesses and an increasingly depressed public and will be confusing to those who heard him point out in his recent Downing Street briefing that the high-priority groups the Government is hoping to have vaccinated by mid-February account for 88% of all Covid deaths to date. This latest interview also contradicts what the Health Secretary said in an interview in the Spectator two weeks ago:

The goal is not to ensure that we vaccinate the whole population before that point, it is to vaccinate those who are vulnerable. Then that’s the moment at which we can carefully start to lift the restrictions.

The Express has reported on some of the fighting talk of those in Parliament opposed to the restrictions:

The Prime Minister will be asking MPs to agree to the six month renewal of the Government’s so-called Henry VIII emergency powers to be able to impose restrictions at will to tackle the pandemic. But already senior MPs in his own party have warned that significant numbers could vote against unless there are moves to end lockdown and revitalise the economy. Former cabinet minister Esther McVey, the founder of the powerful Blue Collar Conservatism Movement, said: “It is absolutely essential that once the most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated the Government start easing the lockdowns. 

“These restrictions are doing huge damage to people’s livelihoods and mental health in particular, and the Government must start to stand up to those siren voices who want lockdowns and restriction to become a near permanent feature of our lives. 

“If the Government don’t start making rapid headway in doing that it will be the duty of Parliament to remove these swingeing powers from them.”

She also raised concerns over the way seemingly exaggerated estimates are being used to push public policy.

Previously there have been question marks over Professor Neil Ferguson’s claims that 500,000 would die of COVID-19 which initiated the first lockdown and then the claims by Professor Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance in the late autumn of 5,000 infections a day which preceded the second lockdown. 

Ms McVey argued that the concerns are highlighted in a written answer on prisoner deaths.

At the start of the pandemic the Government was pushed to have a mass early release of prisoners because thousands would be killed by coronavirus.

Ministers eventually resisted the calls and a written answer has revealed that just 47 died of the disease.

Ms McVey said: “There is no better example of the scaremongering to drive Government policy they wanted to see from the so-called experts than the predictions on prisoner deaths. 

“I appreciate that these estimates aren’t an exact science but the difference between a prediction of 2700 to the reality of 47 is embarrassing to say the least, and shows why the Government must not hand over total policy control to the scientists who are clearly not infallible with their predictions.”

Sir Desmond Swayne MP also weighed in:

He said: “It seems to me that Boris has been completely taken over. He’s completely given over to these people and as a consequence there’s a complete lack of any sense of urgency on the need to lift restrictions.”

Sir Desmond is gravely concerned by speculation the hospitality industry could still be shuttered in June.

He said: “The notion there will be any industry left in June is barking. What we’ve seen is the most extraordinary mission creep.

“Remember, the issue was to protect the NHS, stop the NHS being overwhelmed by hospital admissions. Clearly, as we vaccinate that proportion of the population most likely to be hospitalised were they to be infected, that risk of the NHS being overwhelmed diminishes.

“They should be planning now at what stage they will lift the restrictions. At what proportion of the most vulnerable being vaccinated will the risk be acceptable?

“That’s the sort of thing they ought to be taking us into their confidence [about] and debating in public now. But what we’re getting is this mission creep.”

Stop Press: The Spectator has commissioned a poll that has returned alarming results:

A new poll for Coffee House by Redfield and Wilton – with a sample size of 2,000 – saw the public quizzed on the current lockdown, restrictions and vaccines. For now, there appears to be majority support for the current Government restrictions with 62% saying the restrictions are more helpful than harmful to society, compared to 24% who think they are more harmful than helpful.

Although Boris Johnson insisted again this week that lockdown measures will be looked at in mid-February to see whether they can be eased, few expect them to be. Only 25% think the current level of restrictions will be relaxed within a month from now. Overall, 70% think the current level of restrictions will be relaxed within three months from now. As for how many people need to be vaccinated before there can be a substantial easing, both the Prime Minister and Matt Hancock have suggested that decision is a matter for debate – one the country should have before making any firm decisions. The poll suggests there is as of yet no clear consensus. When surveyed on when the lockdown should end, 21% say it should end as soon as those over the age of 70 have been vaccinated, 32% think it should end when those over the age of 50 have been vaccinated, while 38% said the current lockdown should only end when the vast majority of the entire population has been vaccinated. On the question of when all non-travel related restrictions should go, a majority – 61% – agreed they should end only once enough vaccinations have been given to the general population. However, 39% think they should end sooner – once enough vaccinations have been given to the vulnerable population.

Pretty depressing, although it’s good to know 24% of those polled agreed with the main contention of lockdown sceptics, namely, that the restrictions cause more harm than good.

Stop Press 2: The Daily Mail reports, Boris Johnson will soon be announcing a draconian new Australia-style quarantine system for all arrivals to the country.

British holidaymakers returning home won’t escape an order to quarantine in airport hotels – signalling the death knell for summer getaways.

Ministers are finalising plans to force travellers to isolate for 10 days as soon as they enter Britain, with details to be decided tomorrow.

Boris Johnson had wanted to exempt British residents and only target those arriving from places where new strains of the virus have been detected.

But Cabinet sources last night said they expect the Prime Minister to sign off on a comprehensive proposal – modelled on Australia – that will see all arrivals sent to airport hotels, regardless of their nationality and where they have come from.

It means people who live in Britain will face having to pay extra, on top of the cost of their trip, to spend their quarantine period in a hotel patrolled by security guards. 

Any new restrictions would be a further blow to the beleaguered travel industry – and could spark chaos at airports already battling through new arrivals checks. 

Children’s Mental Health Continues to Deteriorate

There are recent reports from both sides of the pond that young people are starting to suffer badly from the suspension of their normal lives. In the UK, Camilla Turner, Education Editor at the Telegraph, reports:

The number of children admitted to hospital for mental health reasons now outstrips those with medical conditions, a leading paediatrician has said.

Professor Russell Viner, President of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, said this is a phenomenon that paediatricians have seen across the UK since the start of the pandemic. 

He was addressing MPs at the Education Select Committee which was hearing evidence on the science behind school closures.   

It comes after a survey by the Prince’s Trust found that one in four young people feels unable to cope with life and that crisis has taken a “devastating toll” on teenagers and young adults.

Prof Viner was asked by Dr Caroline Johnson, a Tory MP and practising consultant paediatrician, whether more children were now being admitted to hospital for mental health reasons than physical ailments.

She said: “On a recent shift that I did at hospital, there were more acutely unwell children admitted for mental health presentations than there were acutely medically unwell children. Is that an unusual pattern or is that a pattern that you are seeing in other parts of the country too?”

Prof Viner, who is a Professor of Adolescent Health at University College London’s Institute of Child Health, replied: “Yes, that is absolutely a pattern that our paediatricians around the country have told us about  since the beginning of the pandemic.”

Worth reading in full.

Meanwhile in the USA, Erica L. Green reports in the New York Times that growing fears for the wellbeing of youngsters in Las Vegas is forcing a change of tack on school closures.

The reminders of pandemic-driven suffering among students in Clark County, NV, have come in droves.

Since schools shut their doors in March, an early-warning system that monitors students’ mental health episodes has sent more than 3,100 alerts to district officials, raising alarms about suicidal thoughts, possible self-harm or cries for care. By December, 18 students had taken their own lives.

The spate of student suicides in and around Las Vegas has pushed the Clark County district, the nation’s fifth largest, toward bringing students back as quickly as possible. This month, the school board gave the green light to phase in the return of some elementary school grades and groups of struggling students even as greater Las Vegas continues to post huge numbers of coronavirus cases and deaths.

Superintendents across the nation are weighing the benefit of in-person education against the cost of public health, watching teachers and staff become sick and, in some cases, die, but also seeing the psychological and academic toll that school closings are having on children nearly a year in. The risk of student suicides has quietly stirred many district leaders, leading some, like the State Superintendent in Arizona, to cite that fear in public pleas to help mitigate the virus’ spread.

In Clark County, it forced the Superintendent’s hand.

“When we started to see the uptick in children taking their lives, we knew it wasn’t just the Covid numbers we need to look at anymore,” said Jesus Jara, the Clark County Superintendent. “We have to find a way to put our hands on our kids, to see them, to look at them. They’ve got to start seeing some movement, some hope.”

Adolescent suicide during the pandemic cannot conclusively be linked to school closures; national data on suicides in 2020 have yet to be compiled. One study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed that the percentage of youth emergency room visits that were for mental health reasons had risen during the pandemic. The actual number of those visits fell, though researchers noted that many people were avoiding hospitals that were dealing with the crush of coronavirus patients. And a compilation of emergency calls in more than 40 states among all age groups showed increased numbers related to mental health.

Even in normal circumstances, suicides are impulsive, unpredictable and difficult to ascribe to specific causes. The pandemic has created conditions unlike anything mental health professionals have seen before, making causation that much more difficult to determine.

But Greta Massetti, who studies the effects of violence and trauma on children at the CDC, said there was “definitely reason to be concerned because it makes conceptual sense”. Millions of children had relied on schools for mental health services that have now been restricted, she noted.

In Clark County, 18 suicides over nine months of closure is double the nine the district had the entire previous year, Dr. Jara said. Six students died by suicide between March 16th and June 30th; 12 students died by suicide between July 1st and December 31st, the district said.

One student left a note saying he had nothing to look forward to. The youngest student Dr. Jara has lost to suicide was nine.

“I feel responsible,” Dr. Jara said. “They’re all my kids.”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: The Guardian reports that the Government won’t even commit to opening schools after the Easter holidays – maddening news for families with children of school age.

The Government has refused to commit to schools being open even after the Easter holidays, raising the prospect that parents will have many more weeks of homeschooling before even a phased return of most pupils to the classroom in England.

A senior Government source cautioned that although the data was starting to show signs of a slowing of infections, rates were not falling nearly as sharply as had been expected. The source said the picture had become “more pessimistic” over the past week about the Government’s ability to ease any measures in the short term.

Discussions are under way in the Department for Education to decide which pupils could be prioritised, with early years and those facing exams in the summer among those who could be brought back first. Attendance rotas could also be introduced to keep numbers down in schools, but allow for more face-to-face teaching.

The chair of the education select committee expressed dismay at the delay, urging ministers to put “the whole engine of the state” behind paving the way for schools to reopen.

Stop Press 2: The UK Government has ‘sponsored’ this piece in the Daily Mail attempting to reassure parents that “thanks to tireless teachers, the youngsters will be fine”. Oh really? Worth remembering that Ofsted found the closure of schools during the first lockdown had a negative effect on many children’s learning.

Stop Press 3: Historian Neil Oliver spoke in his regular interview slot with Mike Graham on talkRADIO about the worrying things he is beginning to hear from his children’s peer group.

Neil Oliver tells Mike how his teenage daughter's generation are asking "what's the point" as a result of the coronavirus lockdown: "They've internalised the idea that none of this is going away."

Watch the show ► https://t.co/M1lF3XxXts@Iromg | @thecoastguy pic.twitter.com/JxdwgwEnSd

— TalkTV (@TalkTV) January 20, 2021

A Response to Christopher Snowdon

As promised in yesterday’s Lockdown Sceptics, we are today publishing an excellent article by Nigel Alphonso, a business consultant, entitled “To Move The Lockdown Debate Forward We Need More Honesty“. The article is a response to Christopher Snowdon’s “Rise of the Coronavirus Cranks” piece in Quillette. Here is an extract:

On January 16th, an article appeared in the online magazine Quillette by Christopher Snowdon from the IEA, a right of centre think tank. The article purported to demolish the claims of a particular variant of ‘lockdown sceptics’ and as a result has garnered widespread praise including from Toby Young who tweeted that it was a thoughtful piece which sceptics needed to address. I respectfully disagree. The article was disingenuous – not in respect of what it said but in respect of its omissions and its failure to frame the argument within a judicious lockdown/anti-lockdown framework. This is not intended as an attack on Mr Snowdon per se but the criticism I make touches on the wider failure of the libertarian, left of centre and conservative movements to counter the lockdown arguments and the failure of the lockdown sceptics’ movement to achieve any penetration with the wider public. This essay is not primarily about the merits of lockdown or the technicalities of the data but about the intellectual honesty of some of the main protagonists on both sides of the argument.

First to the article itself entitled “Rise of the Coronavirus Cranks.” Mr Snowdon is at liberty to write whichever article he chooses. However, his article might more appropriately have been entitled “My problem with Ivor Cummins and Mike Yeadon” or “My problem with social media Covid deniers” as it seems the bulk of his article focused on a detailed rebuttal of claims made by these two individuals and by extension those he categorises as “Covid deniers”. While he states from the outset that he wishes to focus on “the most extreme variant of lockdown scepticism”, he proceeds to argue on the basis that this “extreme variant” as he puts it is paradoxically the dominant form of scepticism as exemplified by the twitter/social media world he inhabits. If that was not Mr Snowdon’s intention then I accept any inadvertent omission on his part. Unfortunately his article will have been seized upon by all lockdown advocates as being evidence of the general ‘crankiness’ and eccentricity of the lockdown sceptics’ cause. Nor sadly am I convinced that the subtle and nuanced conflating of multiple variants of lockdown-scepticism was entirely innocent – not just on the part of Mr Snowdon, but by multiple other commentators who have sought to attack lockdown sceptics.

Conveniently Snowdon (like Alistair Haimes – another manqué sceptic) positions himself as a “centrist” and spends the opening paragraph reinforcing his credentials in direct contradistinction to the lockdown “junkies” such as (in his estimation) Piers Morgan or the members of Independent Sage. Therein lies the issue with both the lockdown converts such as Snowdon as well as some lockdowns sceptics. Up until the early autumn, one could have been forgiven for thinking that Snowdon was an arch lockdown-sceptic. His myriad articles, podcasts, twitter pronouncements and attacks on the likes of Morgan, Sam Bowman et al, often in the most mocking and vitriolic terms, established him firmly in that camp. If he has changed his mind – so be it. I would fully respect that position as I do those who are clear and unambiguous supporters of lockdown. However, it is mistaken to think that a form of exalted centrism exists in this debate. On one side are those who believe that lockdowns save lives and that the moral imperative is to curtail liberty in the most draconian way in order to achieve that objective. On the other is the belief that lockdown itself is a grotesque invasion of individual liberty which does far greater harm than good and does not meet any public health test of efficacy.

Snowdon, despite his sceptical foundations, is it seems clearly in the former camp. He states explicitly that lockdown “will prevent tens of thousands of people dying this winter”. Leaving aside the veracity of this claim, Snowdon in that one sentence accepts the central argument of the lockdown advocates. The roll-out of the vaccine does not alter that argument although it acts as a useful pretext for those who have moved to the lockdown side. No amount of “centrist” plea bargaining can void the fact that Snowdon has switched sides. In that sense (and to the extent that he has supported two out of the three lockdowns) he is far closer to Piers Morgan than he is to any lockdown sceptic. Moreover, if one is in the lockdown camp, Snowdon’s frequent acerbic critiques against the mainstream media for constantly demanding more lockdowns, deeper lockdowns and sooner lockdowns seem misplaced and ill-judged. If one believes that lockdowns save lives then the logical critique of the UK Government must be that we failed to lockdown expeditiously, that when we locked down the rules were not stringent enough, that the messaging was unclear and that we emerged from it too quickly. Despite the increasing evidence (see the recent study by John Ioannidis et al of Stanford) of the futility of lockdowns in respect of pandemic control, one cannot doubt that if one believes in the central argument about saving lives and protecting the health service, then the mainstream media and academic critique of the Government has an ineluctable logic.

Worth reading in full.

Nothing So Permanent…

Economist Milton Friedman: “Nothing so permanent as a temporary government programme.”

We are publishing another original piece today by Angus McIntosh entitled “Temporary Government Programmes” which raises the alarm about the eagerness with which the authorities have leapt on the pandemic as an reason to curtail our liberty. He is concerned that some of the rights that have been “temporarily” suspended may never be restored to us. Here is an excerpt:

Let us take a moment to look beyond the current turmoil of the pandemic and the ensuing policy chaos and to consider its possible legacy.

At this point we are struggling to cope with the tide of misery which Covid and the lockdowns have created. But eventually, through a combination of spring weather, natural immunity and the vaccine, the virus will subside to the point where we could start to live with it as a normal part of the disease landscape.

It may then take a decade or more to recover from its terrible toll of death, depression and poverty and this is tragedy enough. But potentially even more damaging for our long-term future are the lasting shifts in attitudes which the virus may leave behind.

These will be many and complex, but there are three which are particularly likely:

1. Permanently lowered public tolerance for life’s normal risks and challenges.

2. Increased popular willingness to sacrifice freedoms in pursuit of safety.

3. Greater tendency for authorities of all kinds to exploit the above.

The first two of these malign legacies represent acceleration of existing trends, rather than completely new phenomena. But the third is undergoing more of a revolution.

Anyone who doubts that we have taught certain policymakers an unexpected but welcome lesson need only look at Professor Neil Ferguson’s now-infamous Times interview in which he said, referring to China: “It’s a communist one-party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought…and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.”

This insight has allowed Ferguson and other advisors to promote control of the virus above every other consideration and to keep it there.

When governments take control of a new aspect of our lives, they assume permanent accountability for it in the public and media mind. They know that they are far more likely to be called to account for any negative consequences of later relaxation than they are to be praised for its benefits. That’s why new interventions are very rarely eased, even by those who opposed them in the first place.

Worth reading in full.

Sobering Briefing From a Senior Doctor

A reader has drawn our attention to this video of a briefing by Dr Alasdair Emslie, a senior doctor at at a private healthcare provider. It’s long and detailed, and although Emslie comes across as no lockdown sceptic, it contains plenty of interesting information. Our contributor comments:

It’s fantastically sober, blunt, clear, and makes some key points. I believe Lockdown Sceptics’ future has to be the balanced voice of reason and to push party apparatchiks like Neil O’Brien to the side rather than bother with attacking back directly. This video has no bullshit politics or bullshit data or SAGE panic-stricken scientists, or idiotic BBC journalists. I found it fascinating and for the first time I understand where we are. Key moments in the video:

– Starts out by not pulling any punches about how badly Britain has done mortality-wise.

– 2m 08s – Points out that when he started as a doctor there were 300,000 beds in the NHS. Now there are 130,000. 

– 13m 00s – The elderly are not being admitted to ICU because they are being judged as not likely to survive

– 34m 25s – Key slide where he shows that the reason for current high deaths is that 85+ victims are being triaged not to go into ICU; they are just being given palliative care and left to die (one up for Lord Sumption and ‘nul points‘ for those who think everyone gets the same deal on admission). That’s why despite so relatively few confirmed cases in that group, they are dominating deaths. Hence ICU is full of 45-64s and until that group is vaccinated the hospital crises will remain and therefore all the lockdown and other precautions are going to have to stay in place essentially until the autumn. The trade-off the Government has made has been to vaccinate those aged 65 and over first, in the hope of reducing overall Covid mortality, but at the cost of not doing as much as they could to relieve the pressure on the NHS. This really clarifies how deaths and ICUs are not in fact directly related. Elsewhere he talks about the necessity of vaccinating workers who have been hugely disproportionately affected – no use in crying over spilt milk, but that’s where we are.

– 40m 00s – He really lays it on thick about the mental health fallout: “this is going to be a major problem” for several years “particularly affecting the young”.

– 44m 5s – Summarises his key points which starts with the totally unsentimental assertion that Covid is here forever, we will never get rid of it. That tells me, as we all already knew, that anyone foolish enough to be promoting the idea that we can have zero Covid is genuinely irresponsible or stupid.

Worth watching in full.

Labour’s Loony ‘Zero Covid Now’ Group Addressed by Jeremy Corbyn

Jeremy Corbyn addresses the event from his car

Following neatly on from the comments above, a campaign entitled Zero Covid Now, which describes itself as “jointly convened by Diane Abbot MP and the Morning Star” has held a video meeting which was hosted by Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP and included addresses by Richard Burgon MP, Professor Robert West from Independent Sage, Richard Horton of the Lancet, various other figures from trade unions and Jeremy Corbyn MP.

Unsurprisingly, there were a number of highly debatable remarks made, of which the first was only seconds in, when Rebeiro-Addy declared that the UK was headed for the “worst death toll in the world” (deaths in the US currently stand at 417,000) and that the virus could be “stopped in its tracks” while simultaneously protecting lives and livelihoods.

Noticeably absent from the line-up of people apparently seriously suggesting that a seasonal respiratory virus which is now endemic can be completely eradicated was anyone who did not have a safe public sector job.

Ben Chacko, editor of the hard-left Morning Star, was the only contributor to say anything sensible: “Our Government has shown no inclination to learn from other countries that have dealt more successfully with Covid than we have and unfortunately most of the media give them a free pass.”

Hear hear, Ben!

The meeting can be viewed in full here, if you can bear it.

“After My Mum Was Taken Away in an Ambulance, She Disappeared into the System.”

A reader has sent in this distressing account of an ongoing situation involving communication problems with the hospital where his seriously ill mother is being treated:

Over a week ago my mother, in her mid 60s, was taken to hospital in Norfolk with a mystery affliction. Something similar to stroke or another neurological disorder. The situation looked extremely serious with her unable to eat or speak. As I do not live anywhere near her I have been relying on updates from my much younger sister and brother, who live up there with their dad. My grandad, who is 89, is obviously very worried and as he is down south with me he is reliant on updates from my sister, or me.

Initially things seemed to be being dealt with well. As usual the paramedics were excellent and they did not hesitate to take her in. This is where the problems started. The hospital (which I will not name) has a total ban on any visitors, which on the surface sounds reasonable and inevitable. They offered updates by telephone, and numbers for the main switchboard and her ward were given so that we could call in for updates.

However, last week the wheels seemed to come off. For an entire three day period the hospital would not answer the phone. When we called the main switchboard they would transfer the call, only for it to be cut off, and the ward number wasn’t answered at all. Bearing in mind this was near the beginning of the investigation, with tests being apparently carried out on on a regular basis, you can imagine the intolerable worry this total blackout caused to my family, particularly her other children and my grandad. Eventually they did respond, and the diagnosis was still inconclusive, but pretty much no reason was given for not answering the phone to worried family. Things returned to some sense of normality for a few days, but two days ago we were told she had been moved to a different ward as she had contracted Covid (in hospital – sigh) but no further details were given. That was the last we have heard for two days now despite repeated calls. We don’t even know what ward she is actually on. I gather that she has no Covid symptoms (she could have been pre-symptomatic) but her status remains very serious with respect to her other condition.

Without getting into the whys and wherefores of whether any of the current Government measures are proportionate to the virus, the total ban on visitors even for the most seriously ill patients, or the fact that she caught Covid in hospital, I am absolutely furious and shocked that a hospital would not think it crucially important to keep the family informed, especially in a case this serious. Can your readers imagine the absolute horror of relatives who have seen someone into an ambulance, only for them to effectively disappear into the system and have no way to find out if they are okay? I’m certain this cannot be an isolated incident. I understand the NHS is busy, and even if they are much busier than usual for this time of year, there has not been a natural disaster or a war causing mass casualties, and so I do not think it unreasonable for us to expect updates to be given. This pandemic has done nothing to improve my view of the state of the NHS as a whole and this particular incident has shown a lack of basic humanity that has really shocked me.

Magna Carta-Quoting Hairdresser to Reopen Salon

Sinead Quinn invoked Magna Carta when refusing to close down the first time

The Daily Mail reports that Sinead Quinn, the owner of Quinn Blakey, a West Yorkshire hair salon which clocked up eye-watering fines for defying orders to close last year, as we reported at the time, is planning to flout the regulations again:

A salon owner who racked up £17,000 in fines by staying open during last year’s second national lockdown has indicated she plans to reopen next week.

Sinead Quinn, owner of Quinn Blakey Hairdressing, Oakenshaw, near Bradford, has suggested the salon will reopen for on January 30th on a day dubbed ‘The Great Reopening’.

Ms Quinn hit headlines in November after she repeatedly cited the Magna Carta when police officers insisted she close her business during the second national lockdown. 

The salon wracked up £17,000 worth of fixed penalty fines and magistrates ordered its closure for the final two days of the lockdown “to prevent nuisance to members of the public and to safeguard public health”.

Earlier this month, Kirklees Council confirmed none of the fixed penalties had been paid and it had started a prosecution process.

One Instagram comment from the salon said: “We’re all opening regardless of lockdown. They can’t control us all when we stand up to them.”

In a separate post shared two days ago, the comment stated: “When is lockdown meant to end? Feb?

“In February you can bet your life savings that COVID-21 will be here and so will your lockdown.

“I’d like you to sit back and watch it all play out but we’re running out of time.”

Quinn’s GoFundMe page is still active and she has indicated that in the event of winning her case, the funds will be donated to support her brother who is battling cancer.

New Petition to End Restrictions

A petition with an ambitious goal has been started on the Government’s online portal by David Tyler.

The Department of Health and Social Care has already issued a response to the petition, since it has passed 20,000 signatures, but it makes for predictable reading, regurgitating the Government’s standard line on the matter.

View and sign the petition here.

Look These People in the Eyes

Yesterday we included a reader’s disappointed response to the Government’s latest fear-mongering PR campaign, featuring a series of emotive images bearing the words “look them in the eyes”. Predictably, these have inspired a slew of new versions which have been doing the rounds on social media, taking the opposing view. We thought we’d include a few:

Alternative versions of the Government’s images

Stop Press: The Express has reported that a group of psychologist have written to the their professional body objecting to the Government’s use of fear tactics. We flagged up this letter in Lockdown Sceptics on December 15th, asking for psychologists to contact the organiser if they wanted to sign. Looks like many did.

The Government has been accused of using covert strategies to keep people in a perpetual state of heightened fear to make them obey COVID-19 restrictions.

A group of 47 psychologists has claimed this amounts to a strategic decision “to inflate the fear levels of the British public”, which it states is “ethically murky” and has left people too afraid to leave their homes for medical appointments. Led by former NHS consultant psychologist Dr Gary Sidley, the experts have written to the British Psychological Society (BPS) claiming the strategy is “morally questionable”.

In response the Government has vehemently denied using covert techniques, saying its public information campaigns have been “transparent” and necessary to set out “clear instructions” on how the spread of the virus can be delayed.

It has admitted to communicating public information campaigns 17 per week on average during the peak of the pandemic in order to reach an estimated 95% of adults.

The criticism follows evidence from minutes of the Government advisory group SAGE of March 22nd 2020 which stated: “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent” by “using hard hitting emotional messaging”.

Dr Sidley said: “It is clear from the methods that are now being used that the Government has taken on this advice. Just because the Government is explicit in its messaging, however, it does not mean this is not having an impact covertly. It is the way this is communicated that we are concerned about. Psychologists know that while the content of messaging might be factual, the way in which it is delivered will determine its impact and we believe the biggest impact is at a subconscious level which we do not think is ethical or healthy for people. We believe inflating fear levels to achieve compliance may be doing more harm than good.”

Stop Press 2: A reader has spotted a particularly misleading Government ad.

I doubt I’m the first to send you this ad, which makes the ludicrous assertion that a THIRD of people are spreading COVID-19 asymptomatically. Attached is a photo of the ad that appeared on page 16 of the i newspaper on January 20th and on the back cover of the following day’s edition.

Obviously the wording should read “Around 1 in 3 people who have the virus have no COVID-19 symptoms….etc.” Missing out those words can hardly be a silly mistake, given the presumed oversight of 40-plus professors on the SPI-B nudge group.

Thanks for the link to the Advertising Standards Agency coronavirus reporting form on Lockdown Sceptics. I’ve submitted this one.

Perhaps significantly, Google turns up only a single example of this version of the ad if one does an online search – a nearly illegible 250x300px image of it on the site of the Orkney Islands weekly paper. Drive-by scaremongering that leaves no trace behind…

Sceptics Under Fire

Arrowing in on the sceptics

Following on from our report yesterday about the new website “Antivirus: The COVID-19 FAQ” set up by Neil O’Brien MP amongst others, which attempts to refute sceptics’ arguments as well as compiling a list of those they consider the most egregious purveyors of wrongthink, we have received a good number of responses from readers.

One argued that since prominent lockdown sceptics are being taken to task over relatively minor errors, perhaps the same standard could be applied to the WHO:

Just a reminder of when this mess started: WHO Director General’s briefing on March 3rd 2020.

Four things they got catastrophically wrong:

1. “First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.”

2. “While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease. Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.”

3. “Third, we have vaccines and therapeutics for seasonal flu, but at the moment there is no vaccine and no specific treatment for COVID-19. However, clinical trials of therapeutics are now being done, and more than 20 vaccines are in development.”

4. “And fourth, we don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu – it’s just not possible. But it is possible for COVID-19. We don’t do contact tracing for seasonal flu – but countries should do it for COVID-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible. To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained – which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. That’s why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.”

I’m sure we’ve all got things wrong, but each of these points are amongst the biggest errors of the century so far.

Another points out the strange misapprehension by the authors of the website of the amount of influence sceptics have had:

I’ve been perusing the site and a couple of things are striking. Firstly, the currently popular charge that dissent is “dangerous” gets an outing as early as the fourth paragraph. Apparently, such ideas could lead to individuals “or entire countries” deciding to take fewer precautions. As several nations actually have taken less rigid measures (with not noticeably worse outcomes) this raises the hitherto unexplored possibility that Alexander Lukashenko wakes up every morning listening to Julia Hartley-Brewer or that Anders Tegnell developed his ideas on epidemiology at the American Institute For Economic Research. 

The idea that the people the site seeks to “expose” have been “very prominent and influential during the pandemic” is exactly the kind of misinformation the authors claims it exists to counter. Tragically, lockdown scepticism has barely encroached on our Government’s thinking since the Prime Minister first read Neil Ferguson’s prophecies of doom in March. It may make a tiny amount of sense to say broadcasters in Malmö or Minsk have created a relaxed attitude to the pandemic, but to survey Britain’s landscape of closed pubs, darkened restaurants and broken people and conclude that Whitehall mandarins listen to too much talkRADIO borders on madness. 

In reality, the site is little more than an elongated tweet. A primal scream from the entitled “expert” who spends most of their time in quiet fury at the fact that somebody, somewhere does not agree with them. It’s not so much information for the readers as therapy for the writers. One wonders why it even needs to exist given the grip lockdown fanaticism seems to hold on both Government and the alleged opposition. It may be interesting to see how the site’s authors assign blame if figures deteriorate in the coming weeks. You can guarantee they won’t be finding anything wrong with the policy itself. 

Finally, one thing did amuse me. The FAQ kindly explains that they have received no funding for the website and it was paid for “out of our own pockets”. Given how cheap it looks, it had never occurred to me that anyone with a PR budget might be behind this. But now that they brought it up, I can’t stop wondering who is really paying the bills! They’d probably say I’m a “funding sceptic”. Or is it “altruism denier”?

Another reader points out accusing the sceptics of getting the Infection Fatality Rate wrong is a little hypocritical:

My comment relates to the IFR of COVID-19 and the difficulty of putting an exact figure on it. Imperial College produced this report back in October to which Obersturmbannführer Ferguson was a contributor, which demonstrates the dilemma.

It seems pretty pointless to make an issue about something so vague and mercurial when not even the great man himself can find a definite number. Whichever way you cut the cards, it has an extremely low fatality rate which gets lower all the time as treatments improve.

I’m sure Neil O’Brien et al are avid members of the Ferguson cult so you’d think they’d know this.

This reader points to double standards with peer-reviewed studies:

Looking at the website of Neil O’Brien and co, my first thought was “where to start?” There is so much choice. 

I thought I’d begin by having a look at the dying “with Covid” not “of Covid” section:

I looked at point 3: “Covid isn’t just killing people who were otherwise close to death.” I clicked on this link to the University of Glasgow study which O’Brien and his cohorts present as suggesting that people who died of Covid typically had over a decade to live.

The Glasgow study was funded by grants from the Wellcome Trust and Medical Research Council. The study is old, having been published ​on April 23rd 2020 and it has not been revised since then. The study involves modelling based on standard World Health Organisation life tables. The report was made available for open peer review and has received three reviews. One peer reviewer, based in the US, approved it. The other two reviewers, based in the UK, did not approve it. 

One of the UK peer reviewers nails one of the study’s key problems with this comment:

“The YLL (years of life lost) figure just doesn’t seem to sit with observed reality. I realise this is a modelling study, but it would be nice to compare your findings to what we have actually observed. For example, what is the average age of death expected from your model compared to observed COVID age of death?”

And lastly for today (although keep emailing us your criticisms, putting “Antivirus” in the subject line):

The Anti-Virus website is a treasure trove of selective quotations and misdirection, but one quote neatly illustrated the fact that with lockdown believers it is “heads I win, tails you lose”. On the page for Cases Were Falling Anyway they include the following final point:

A published paper seeks to argue that restrictions have not worked, but contains a glaring flaw. A paper that appeared in January 2021, co-authored by John Ioannidis, looked at the correlation between restrictive measures introduced by government and the number of cases. Ioannidis and his colleagues found that some lockdown restrictions were even correlated with higher growth in coronavirus cases. This should have been a warning of an obvious flaw – which is that case growth and restrictions are endogenous – in other words, governments have brought in tighter restrictions when cases are higher. The argument of the paper is like arguing that “people in hospital are more likely to have heart disease; therefore hospitals cause heart disease”.

A translation into English? “Our contention is that when lockdowns are imposed and cases fall then the fall is entirely down to lockdowns and no other factors. However, in documented cases where lockdowns are imposed and cases rise then.. mumble, mumble… not strict enough… mumble”.

They are saying in effect that if there was a perfect positive correlation between infection rates and lockdown severity it would be proof of an ideal government response, rather than a policy that had no effect.

I have to concede however that the same page included the knockout argument (point 5) that scientists from Imperial College have posted a report on their website that lockdowns work exactly as intended. They neglected to mention who the lead author was…

Stop Press: Toby had a letter published in the Sunday Times yesterday responding to Dominic Lawson’s attack the previous week.

Stop Press 2: We’ve decided to regularly include some of the best pieces endorsing the Government’s lockdown strategy, inspired by J.S. Mill’s famous line: “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.”

Today, we’re kicking off with Sam Bowman’s piece in the New Statesman: “The eight biggest Covid-sceptic myths – and why they’re wrong.”

If readers encounter any particularly good arguments from the other side, please do send them to us and we’ll flag them up.

Round-up

  • “NY Times writer shaken by what he saw during 1,600-mile drive through middle America” – Amusing summary of journalist David Leonhardt’s shocked Twitter thread after he ventured out of the city and into “flyover country”. Apparently, very few people wore masks!
  • “Piers Morgan’s idiotic rants reduce subtle arguments to soundbites” – Matthew Syed in the Sunday Times takes aim at Morgan’s bloviating in the aftermath of the Sumption affair
  • “Covid Odyssey” – Philosopher John Lord Griffin’s satirical piece in OffGuardian re-imagining Covid as an ancient Greek epic
  • “Anti-Lockdown Protesters Clash With Officers in the Netherlands” – the New York Times has some disturbing footage from the Low Countries
  • “Czech restaurants & pubs open in defiance of COVID-19 rules, owners to launch ‘political movement’ to circumvent restrictions” – The movement that started in Italy has continued to spread further, as RT reports
  • “The Mortality Reality of our Viral Challenge” – Short video by Ivor Cummins visualising the impact on overall mortality between lockdown and non-lockdown countries
  • “Lockdowns and border closures have repeatedly failed – it’s time we let them go” – Strong sceptical piece in the Telegraph by Annabel Fenwick Elliott
  • “Autumn COVID-19 surge dates in Europe correlated to latitudes, not to temperature-humidity, pointing to vitamin D as contributing factor” – An interesting new study in Nature
  • “British tourists unlikely to be allowed into Spain ‘until end of summer‘” – LBC reports the Spanish PM’s comments to the World Tourism Organisation
  • “Putting the Cost of COVID-19 in Perspective” – Avery Koop at Visual Capitalist, a site devoted to visualising economic data in an easy-to-understand way, looks at the economic fallout, and it makes for grim reading
  • “‘London is burning in lockdown – and if it falls, so will the rest of the UK” – Former MEP Ben Habib has taken aim at the London Mayor Sadiq Khan in the Telegraph for mismanaging the city throughout the pandemic period
  • “Health passports ‘could allow vaccinated Brits back into pubs and restaurants’” – The Department of Health is already in talks about the dystopian scheme with a tech guru, reports the Mirror
  • “Epitope-resolved profiling of the SARS-CoV-2 antibody response identifies cross-reactivity with endemic human coronaviruses” – A technical paper in Cell Press looking at the ever-contentious topic of pre-existing immunity and suggesting that having had some varieties of the Common Cold could give rise to T-Cell cross-immunity
  • “Lockdowns will leave an almighty hangover” – Luke Johnson surveys the tally on businesses and their workers in the Sunday Times
  • “Even with vaccines, we’ll still have to learn to live with Covid” – Tim Stanley in the Telegraph doesn’t think we’ll be out of the woods soon
  • “Danish study suggests local lockdown had no effect on SARS-CoV-2 infection rate” – News Medical reports on another study from Jutland in Denmark, finding no congruence between lockdowns and death rates
  • “MPs working from home during lockdown charge taxpayers for the extra gas and electricity they use – while most workers are forced to pay their own way” – One rule for thee…
  • A new translation of the Weimar court judgement we reported on a couple of days ago – The Judge said: “Based on what has been said, there can be no doubt that the number of deaths attributable to the lockdown policy measures alone exceeds the number of deaths prevented by the lockdown many times over.”
  • Toby responded on Twitter to a column by Nick Cohen in yesterday’s Observer accusing him and Julia Hartley-Brewer of being murderers, thanks to their scepticism. Click on the Tweet to read the entire thread
https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1353334651406979078

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Six today: “Strange Days” by The Doors, “I Shall Be Released” by the Flying Burrito Brothers, “The Last Time” by the Rolling Stones, “Hard Time Killin’ Floor Blues” by Skip James, “A Change is Gonna Come” by Sam Cooke, and “If You’re Looking for a Way Out” by Odyssey.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

Social Media Accounts

You can follow Lockdown Sceptics on our social media accounts which are updated throughout the day. To follow us on Facebook, click here; to follow us on Twitter, click here; to follow us on Instagram, click here; to follow us on Parler, click here; and to follow us on MeWe, click here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, the shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy MP has become embroiled in a row over her endorsement of a pamphlet that called for the Army to be replaced with a “gender balanced and ethnically diverse” peace force. Sort of like Star Fleet. The Sun has more:

The shadow Foreign Secretary denied she backed a left-wing policy pamphlet – that the Sun can reveal also called for Britain’s nuclear subs to be “reconsidered”.

She told the BBC it was “complete and utter rubbish” that she had “applauded” the loony left wish list.

But she was left red-faced when a recording of a Zoom call emerged where she said: “One of the things that I found really inspirational about this pamphlet is that I think it’s based on the belief that I also share that while we learn from the past we are never bound to it and we have to build a foreign policy fit for this century.”

The introduction to Open Labour’s policy document “A Progressive Foreign Policy for New Times” said it was time to “reconsider” Trident.

It also says Britain should: “Consider a real shift in the nature of our services from classic armed forces to what one might call human security services which would include the military but would also include police, engineers, aid workers, or health workers and would be gender balanced and ethnically diverse.”

“Their central task would be to protect human security and in cases of war to dampen down violence rather than intervene on one side or the other.”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Lawrence Fox was unimpressed by Lisa Nandy’s plans for a new peace force.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1353376009463222273

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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And Finally…

A reader has drown out attention to this 2016 YouTube video by psychologist Kati Morton explaining what “Stockholm Syndrome” is. As he points out, it’s as though the entire country is suffering from this peculiar affliction.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

The Persecution of the Uyghurs in China – a window into our future?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP4JmvU7hEU&list=WL&index=2&t=8s
Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen
380K subscribers

The Uyghurs in East Turkistan are being persecuted by the Chinese government. Mass surveillance, concentration camps, labour camps, forced sterilization. We need to speak up against this.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

The only reason the US is concerend about Uighers is that they were intended to be used as terrorist forces to destabilise China, after being trained and operating in ISIS/FSA/etc groups in Syria.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – I am not saying anyone should break the law.

Aren’t all businesses essential – contact them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/
https://t.me/thegreatreopening
30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing 
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

Last edited 4 years ago by Lockdown Sceptic
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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

My wife and I have heard about this and we are planning our first meal out for 10 months on Saturday. Where? We don’t know.
No face-nappy, no anti-social distancing, no QR code.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Mr Bart and I are trying to find if there are any pubs, restaurants and cafes that are open on 30 January. We would be happy to support them.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Me too I would go and support any cafe, pub or restaurant on Saturday even if even I did not like the food! The question is where will these businesses be. I will be in south shropshire on Saturday and free all day if anyone has any ideas of where to go?

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

I would too but if they identify themselves to us they are also identifying themselves to the police and lockdown lovers and given the current propaganda blitzkrieg things could get messy. I propose Valentines Day as an alternative date, daily deaths and cases should be well down by then.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

I think that’s the whole point – its the Gandhi school of Civil Disobedience.

Open up and when the police come and issue fines, cry foul and demand your day in court.

If more than enough cafes, pubs, restaurants even shops, venues and museums do this the police and courts will be swamped especially as there is a backlog of more than 50,000 cases.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Pub full of 80 people each carrying a pitchfork. What’s the car full of cops gonna do?

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

Call in the army?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

I live in London and it would be interesting to see what parts of the city where these cafes, pubs and restaurants will be open. We’re happy to go to any part of London where they’re open.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Surely the people we should look to are the more independent ‘communities’ – Asian and so forth. Surely they have more than enough supporters to face up to this. Everyone else of any persuasion, with anti-lockdown sympathy, would help.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Possibly Chinatown?

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ElizaP
ElizaP
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Is this happening throughout the country? I’ve only heard England mentioned. What about Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

I have no idea sadly. We’ll presumably hear more closer to the time.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

It’s been posted on a few anti lockdown Facebook groups in Scotland. Compliance here is high though so whether or not it takes off is debatable. I’ll be taking a walk along my local high St on Saturday though and will certainly go into anywhere that’s open.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

Me too will try Shrewsbury probably. Will go in anywhere open.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/01/latest-icnarc-graphs-amongst-general-reattribution-of-other-illness-to-covid-19-pneumonia-from-flu-is-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-2247

Should keep this one circulating – very damning evidence.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

This really is looking quite important now. To gauge the level of resistance and willingness to display it.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

I had started to give the name and address of people I don’t particularly like when doing the track/trace thing.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago

Lockdowns, distancing, face nappies, and vaccines.

Forever.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Wankok, Boris, Psntsdown, Dungford and Turdgeon burning in hell.
Forever.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well I wouldn’t want to be them doing their Life Review just after they’ve died LOL.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Yup, Interview without coffee one hopes.

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WasSteph
WasSteph
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

This is all so depressing. They won’t let go now because when they do the reckoning starts. I really hope hospitality and “non-essential” businesses do open up on 30th and stick two fingers up to them. I doubt there is enough bravery in the land though.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

If there is no fight back that will be the end for EVERYBODY!

People have to start realising this has bugger all to do with any virus!

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

I really hope they do and that they have maximum support. It was great to see the Italians reminding the filth who pays their wages and jeering at them and making them back off. I cant wait to see this happen in this country.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

Is there a website we could check to see what pubs are actually going to open.

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

LOL yeah… the authorities would never find and use that list for anything authoritarian…

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

Christmas was the big milestone for them. The public let them shut down our biggest celebration without a whimper of dissent and gave the green flag to go ahead and lock down permanently (July is another carrot on a stick).

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

But I also think Christmas was a big turning point for a lot of those hitherto compliant. The screeching hyperbole of the current propaganda suggests that many worms turned at the end of December.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I’d like to think you’re right. Unfortunately for me, everyone I know have since become totally obedient and openly scared of Corona.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

It will be unless a sufficient number of people rise up and throw off the masks and ignore social distancing and go back to gatherings and meeting up. If even 5% of people did this the filth and the scumbag marshalls would be powerless to enforce it.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Boris Bullshit

Sadly I know pretty much nobody apart from me who would do it! So nobody to meet or gather with.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

I have been saying this since May..

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

 Meanwhile https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f3a5.svg In Brazil https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f92c.svg …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_z5BfDSxvs

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

£60 Fine for Visiting Mum 96 In Care Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S8Pc6tgeIs

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

There is a special place in hell for this level of jobsworth.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

White Supremacy

Tony Heller – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKFelwmbRI8

Joe Biden says supporters of President Trump are “white supremacists” and “terrorists.” I live in Cheyenne, Wyoming – the most Republican state. Cheyenne is a military town with a very diverse population, and people get along great. I’ve never met a “white supremacist” – but if Joe Biden says so, it must be true.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

The Truth About PCR Tests

Dr. Sam Bailey
168K subscribers
The truth about Covid 19 PCR Tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNkJUDctdk&list=WL&index=16

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

O’Brien was a May lackey

He has been about his anti LS propaganda for about three weeks now

One Tuesday G4S will start converting hotels into prisons

Wonder what will happen next?

(There is no connection between O’Brien, May, and G4S and don’t let anyone tell you any different)

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Declaring a personal interest! O’Brien is the MP for Harborough ward (Con) which covers the relatively tiny territory of Oadby & Wigston (Lib Dem), a grim overcrowded suburb tacked onto the edge of an otherwise sprawling (and in places very nice) green space. Anyone think his being so vocal about lockdowns is linked? Sold Oadby & Wigston down the river for his own purposes maybe? The extended lockdown didn’t actually work here, as is clear from the Gov.uk dashboard.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Guardian News: Anti-lockdown rioters clash with Dutch police in the Netherlands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evmo5aG377Q

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Tunisia… The revolt is spreading.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Israel. Students protesting about school closures too.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

People have had enough. I think its spreading.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’m not expecting any real revolt from the UK we’ve become a nation of bedwetters.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Sadly I have to agree with you but one never knows. There is a point where enough people won’t take the crap anymore.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

We need a police strike, like in 1918.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

I am sceptical about these constant polls that apparently show the majority of the public are in favour of lockdowns, social distancing and face masks policies. The people I know who are in favour of these policies and condemn others for breaking the rules, have themselves routinely broken the rules from the outset. They are in favour of the rules for others. Besides my personal experience of the hypocrisy of the lockdownistas, I am also aware that many people when asked a question will provide what they think it is the correct, socially approved answer, rather than assert their own opinion. The way polls are conducted is likely to exacerbate this tendency. This tendency to elicit misleading responses is also reinforced by the way pollsters frame issues. Questions are often written in a manner that implies an obviously correct answer; or a range of possible answers is provided which exclude a particular, yet relevant, position. My scepticism of the polling is reinforced by what I see of people’s behaviour. If the majority of the people are in favour of the draconian responses to the virus, why do they behave as if they are not? The government’s headline message is: Stay… Read more »

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TheClone
TheClone
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Trust the science, govern through polls! What can go wrong?

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james007
james007
4 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

Polls remind me of Boris Johnson’s entire approach to leadership. Work out which way a crowd is generally going, and nip out in front to lead.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

Je suis leur chef, il faut que je les suive.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I would agree that many people have programmed themselves with the ‘correct view’, much as they would under facist or communist totalitarian regimes.
This is why, once you hint at your own lockdown scepticism, they often quickly and sometimes forthrightly express sceptical views themselves.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A friend of mine who once spent a term in communist Poland told me that was exactly what happened. Fellow students cagily expressed the correct opinions until they were sure he wan’t a snitch, then the mask (sorry) came off, and their real opinions were wholly sceptical.
Most people automatically adopt the safe option under a brutal dictatorship. But it follows automatically that when the dictatorship collapses, the safe people will not lift a finger in its defence.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

A frightened man went to the KGB. “My talking parrot has disappeared.”

“That’s not the kind of case we handle. Go to the criminal police.”

“Excuse me, of course I know that I must go to them. I am here just to tell you officially that I disagree with the parrot.”

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

George Orwell wrote something similar about when he was a policeman in India in the 1920s. Any opposition to the Raj by whites was taboo and one had to be very careful when discussing such things with strangers.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Polls are a means to influence public opinion not measure it.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

As I’ve always said the polls are rigged and one should never trust them.

Well said about those lockdowinstas who break the rules themselves. I have asked those who whine about people not socially distancing or wearing masks, “so why are you not at home then?”

I never get an answer. It’s always tumbleweed.

Says a lot about these people.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

YouGov is owned by Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi & Stephan Shakespeare also founder of ConservativeHome .

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

And your government is owned by Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Covidiot = Someone who breaks the rules slightly more than you do.

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

It’s the old speeding thing isn’t it…

Anyone going faster than me is a maniac, anyone going slower is a moron.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I am sceptical about these constant polls that apparently show the majority of the public are in favour of lockdowns, social distancing and face masks policies.

Agreed. Plus sadly I do not trust The Spectator in the slightest these days. In my view, they became a department of The Ministry of Truth late last year when Allegra Stratton, the wife of their political editor James Forsyth, became Al Johnson’s press secretary after Cummins and mate left. Evidence? They had ‘exclusive’ front page interviews with Sunak and Hancock soon after. Plus, they editorial messaging has increasing been fully signed up to and pushing the government narrative ‘the only way out is the amazing vaccine’. Finally, their editor Fraser Nelson wrote some great thoughtful and sceptical pieces over last summer. Not recently to my knowledge. I’m sure these are all just coincidences ….

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Late last year? lol

The minute Fraser Nelson got his pale blue arse in the editors chair it was all over for the Spec.

When Isabel Hardmann (whiny feminazi, and mistress of disgraced former Labour MP) was made asistant editor, it all went decidedly woke… Did you not notice paleolithic misandrist dumper-truck Julie Bindel getting repeated column inches in which to declare that all men are rapists and all domestic violence is committed by men?

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Yep, the rot has been setting in for some time for sure. There have been the odd piece in there over recent years thats prompted me to subscribe (and then cancel!).

Didn’t know about the Hardmann link, makes sense now. I still think Fraser Nelson wrote some thoughtful lockdown sceptical pieces. Mind you, his and the magazines fully signed up position to ecoloonery has been nauseating for a long time.

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Fraser Nelson writes as controlled opposition.

Never forget that he and Boris sip from the same cup.

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

And James Forsyth of that parish……married to one Allegra Stratton… he knows Rishi from school (Winchester) and university….Sunak and his wife are godparents to their children…..what a happy series of coincidences.

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james007
james007
4 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Agreed. I cancelled my spectator subscription last year. So many friendly links to the Johnson Government, no where near critical enough of the government. Mary Wakefield, Cumming’s wife was commisioning editor.
Interesting move dropping Delingpole last year.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

I had a month’s free subscription late last year. That was enough. No way would I pay for such drivel.

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

I don’t know whether Delingpole got red-pilled about Boris before or after his defenestration from the Spectator, but I’m sure the two are connected.

Until far too recently, he was over the moon about Boris’ ascendancy, predicting all manner of unicorns and rainbows.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Absolutely spot on! The Speccie has been a very serious disappointment for a mag with a supposedly “conservative” outlook. They should be raging at the loss of our freedoms and the damage done by lockdowns but there has hardly been a peep. I’ve cancelled my subscription.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

But the btl comments are generally scathing of any of these woke types. There are exceptions of course (usually nutters like Kolya and Nick Harman).

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Those two are a right pair. Harman blocked me, happily.

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Strangely enough, I always got on okay with Nick Harman! I don’t particularly miss him, I hasten to add- I do miss Ianess, Lola, Steph, Peta J, but not enough to resubscribe to the appalling New Establishment rag.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Kolya is indisputably a troll.

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Boris Bullshit
Boris Bullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

I have never paid for it ……only ever read it in W H Smiths in the railway station. I would not bother even doing that now. Mind you of course that would be spreading a deadly disease lol.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Forsyth is godfather to Sunak’s kids and vice versa.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Agreed. The polls are largely meaningless.

If you set out to terrorise the population, and then ask them if they are scared, they are probably going to say “Yes”.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

I cannot but read the quote without thinking the word prone (meaning to lie face down) was a part of the language they had never come across, and so they decided to construe it as medical jargon, rather than plain, everyday English.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Presumably its opposite is ‘supining’: to assume an attitude of grovelling, cowardly passivity in the face of whatever terror tactics the Fascist bullies choose to adopt.

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Caramel
Caramel
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I like this comment. It’s going in my Word document that I made in August of LS comments.

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Not only are the British people supine, they’re supine and having their noses rubbed in the dirt. And that takes some doing!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Dermot McClatchey

Even the heavenly choirs need some gymnastic ability, as in the infamous verse:

Let high-born Seraphs tune the lyre,
And, as they tune it, fall
Before his face who tunes their choir,
And crown Him Lord of All.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Be careful, internment is coming. Converting hotels into prisons. 100,000 capacity

They want you to stay at home because they want to know where to find you when it’s your turn

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Happening in Canada already if you refuse PCR test at airport on return home from abroad. (Rebel News)

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
4 years ago

I can’t believe why so many Tory MPs are letting Boris get away with this madness. Are they truly insane? Boris is beyond reprieve and Steve Baker deserves more support in his bid ask MPs to pressure him. I have come to the conclusion that no amount of evidence or rational discussion will have any effect on Boris as he’s been fully swallowed up by a dangerous death cult of ever more extreme lockdown.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

Conservative MPs have a route out of this by threatening to trigger a leadership contest. The Covid Recovery Group has more than enough MPs.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

yes, I think CRG is one hope. They were quite vocal in the summer but go very quiet when infections rise.

they had Heneghan and Sridhar give them presentations recently. I hope they took what Sridhar said with a mountain of salt considering she has no background in the subject

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TheClone
TheClone
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

What they are waiting for?

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The mechanism to oust Boris and his lightweight chums might be offered to them by the recent intervention of Ms Sturgeon. If the Tory party senses that BoJo is becoming irredeemably toxic to political opinion north of the border (which he probably is already), then fear for the future of the Union would do the trick.

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

I agree. I think the Establishment will do whatever it thinks necessary to stop Scottish independence.

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TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

I fear Mr Baker is not the man for the job.
You need a person of principle who can garner some significant support within the party.
Who could that be?
Most of the MP’s are lobby fodder and now presumably physically absent from Westminster so would find it difficult to gather in conspiratorial cabals even if they wanted to.
Boris knows he has a large majority and self interest in MP’s would probably mean perhaps at least 80 would need to ally themselves against him before he took it seriously.
The opposition parties are worse.
Thet’re all fiddling whist the UK burns.
With the school closures the Prime Muppet,his henchmen et al are complicit in institutionalised child abuse.
Not too troubled by a poll in the Spectator – who reads it – but the attitude of MP’s across the board is disgraceful.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

Baker is all mouth and trousers. Brady is far more dangerous.

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

100%

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

Because they are all cowards and would prefer to be “inside the tent pi$$ing out than outside pi$$ing in!”

Don’t expect any rebellion from them you’ll be disappointed.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

I wonder if there is a tipping point with the opposition. Before there was a vaccine, it was easy for Starmer to claim that government inaction was costing lives and that stricter measures enacted earlier would have prevented deaths (untrue, but easy to claim). If the public as a whole believe that the vaccine is the way out of this (and I genuinely doubt that many people believe this should go on forever) then as the vaccine rolls out the opposition will make more political capital first by attacking the speed of the rollout and any mistakes made during it and then by turning the argument onto the economy and the inevitable austerity. Whether the public will respond to this by switching to Labour is debatable, but certainly the Conservative vote will fall and that might be enough to win Starmer the next election.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

God help us.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I’m not saying it’s a desirable outcome, but if we’re looking for a way out of this mess then understanding the politics being played by the opposition is part of the picture. Starmer doesn’t care about ordinary people, but he does care about how to manipulate them into voting for his party. This means he will disassociate himself from lockdown policy when he can gain more political capital by attacking it than turning it up to eleven.

Personally, I’m not voting for either party next time round – I just hope there’s an electorally credible alternative so we can get them out and launch criminal proceedings against them.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Billionaires fund the Conservative Party.
Billionaires fund the Labour Party.

And that is why both parties care so deeply about the common man.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Left, right; bollocks or shite.

Looking at this predicament we’re currently treading water in, I’d say our only hope of advancement is to tear it up and start again. We’re at where we’re at because Parliament and Her Majesty have not only failed us, they’ve instigated, aided and abetted it.

Oh we’re gonna build back better alright – maybe just not the way they have in mind.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

Bozo is a hollowed-out shell, a puppet to be manipulated by sociopathic academics on a power trip.

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

LOL… really? Most Tory (and mostly all the other) MPs are in it for their seat, their career and their money, They couldn’t give a shit about their constituents.

And many of them will get in again in 2024, because people have awfully short memories and would rather eat razor blades than vote for ‘the other lot’. Not to mention the fact that an awful lot of people think MPs are ‘doing their best’ and ‘we need to save our NHS’ and such like.

As for Baker.. he has a long and inglorious track record of not walking the walk that dates back all the way through Brexit.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
4 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Tribalism is a problem to an extent, but it manifests more as resistance for people shifting their vote directly between Labour and Conservative than shifting to some other party. That’s why the threat from UKIP and subsequently the Brexit Party worried them so much. With regard to the next election, I don’t know to what extent people will forgive and forget. This isn’t the Iraq War – we’re not talking about people’s righteous indigation about a policy which has very little impact on them personally. People have lost businesses or jobs; many will have children whose career prospects have been damaged; some will know people who have died from missed treatments or even suicide. These are not things people readily forget, although Labour at least is counting on their part in this being overlooked. The NHS issue is an interesting one. I have a theory – and it is only a theory – that much of the adoration of the institution comes from the manner in which most people deal with it. Young couples mostly experience it through childbirth and problems with their children – the positive feelings that new parents experience is, in part, reflected onto the NHS. And… Read more »

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AidanR
AidanR
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Your theory about how we got to where we are seems sound…. I wish I could be as optimistic as you about where it’ll lead.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

‘Clicking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter away the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for something or someone to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine, staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then ten years have got behind you
No-one told you when yo run, you missed the starting gun.

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it’s sinking
Racing behind to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that seem to come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines

Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way.

The time is gone, the song is over, thought I’d something more to say.’

Time, Pink Floyd; accompanied my teenage years.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Great song. One correction: verse two line three: “and then one day *you find* ten years have got behind you”.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

😪

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Clicking is an interesting slip on ticking.
Time is a parameter of the human condition or rather the human conditioning.
The timeless is denied awareness by a narrative continuity dictate.
A lead role in a cage? to quote ‘wish you were here’.
Welcome to the Machine. There’s a trove of good lines in their work because they have in our own milieu explored and reflected something of what it is to be human – as both consciousness and world.

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
4 years ago

We will indeed be bankrupted. Perhaps we already are. The idol on the altar of lockdown, by which I mean the NHS, will not survive it.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

“You will own nothing and you will be happy” – the Great Reset.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

“You will be brainwashed and you will be happy.”

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kpaulsmith1463
kpaulsmith1463
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

You will BE nothing, and you will be happy

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

The NHS will survive just as long as we are able to provision the people who we ask to work within it. It’s never a matter of money. It’s only ever a matter of stuff.

And since the workers are still working while the Professional Middle Class hide, that will continue to happen.

The farmers are still in their fields and the lambs will still be born on schedule. Nothing that actually matters has stopped.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Except the economy and social interaction?

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

We already are. The (private) Bank of England has graciously allowed the UK to extend their borrowing from ~2% of GDP to 25% of GDP – about £250 billion. The interest alone is likely to be £250 million a year at current interest rates. That is essentially pure profit for the Bank of England. I imagine there are asset transfer conditions that would come into effect If the loans are defaulted on.

This explains why the government is handing out money to cronies as though there is no tomorow. The taxpayer is on the hook, not them.

Save the NHS – for private sector looting when loans cannot be met.

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franktr
franktr
4 years ago

I might have missed any comment regarding the changes by the WHO on PCR Tests> this on the day Biden was sworn into office:
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

when the German Fauci, Drosten was asked he replied that the WHO was giving out guidance for the 3rd world countries who had insufficient testing and needed help….

However this is an important change as numbers are now (with US back firmly a WHO paying member) drop fast (a lockdown and measures taken success)
Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

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Sceptic Nurse
Sceptic Nurse
4 years ago

Ive just uploaded a 4min highlights video of Professor Russell Viner’s evidence to the select committee about lockdown effects on children’s mental health (see Telegraph article above “More children admitted to hospital for mental health than medical reasons”) here – https://youtu.be/MwN8CUBL86I

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago

I hope this isn’t the shape of things to come for children’s education.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/23/after-covid-will-digital-learning-be-the-new-normal

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Teachers – well, the apparent majority who hate children and work – would love it:

“Others too believe the shift will be permanent. “Covid has given an impetus to schools to adopt, roll out and use more of the functionality of edtech tools,” says Hannah Owen, of the Nesta innovation foundation. “It’s likely, and optimal, that we’ll move to blended models, where remote and digital platforms support in-person classroom teaching, and contribute to minimising teacher workload.”’

Minimising teacher workload.Yeah.The ultimate goal of all education.

It’s amusing to see the Grauniad trying to square the circle. Lockdown tyranny is good by definition, but electronic pseudo-education hits the poor harder than the rich, oh dear, we have to pretend to worry about that.

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rockoman
rockoman
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Will there be any children to teach?

Who wants to bring children into such a world?

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Genetic Control?

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I suppose these ‘teachers’ are too stupid to work out that nobody is going to pay them forever to sunbathe in their gardens. most of them will soon be on the scrapheap – where they belong

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Perhaps the stupid is a narrative identity that can interpret events as moving society in the right direction – as a result of the greenwashing and cancel agendas.
Narrative identities are nurtured, profiled and targeted as data inputs to an almost real time modelling system of control.
Systemic suppression of threat so as to save the system that interprets Life as threat, so as to make us safe.

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houdini
houdini
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Really no need for schools or teachers at all as it can all be run centrally online from wherever

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

There are so many gaps in this online learning concept and the biggest one is, to learn something, someone or something has to teach it. Who is going to teach the child how to add, multiply or read? Without a teacher there is no learning. I speak from experience in the lack of education my 12 year grandson has at this moment. I’m not a teacher and I have no way in contacting his teachers, he has been sent work via emails once in three weeks and I don’t understand some of the maths, nor does my grandson, with no access to his maths teacher, who teaches him? Answer no one.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

If there is a survival need, the kids will develop their own ways of learning.
That a mass of skilled workers are largely no longer required is part of robotic developments. Workers can be imported or indeed workplaces re locate to anywhere. What to do with all of Kissinger’s ‘useless eaters’?

I am more concerned with the core learning of relational integrity.
If love is not modelled (taught) and learned (inducted), then an arrested development may be trained to perform tasks but will know not what they do because they know not who they are.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago

The Government blaming everyone campaign (the eyes one) is truly evil. Most covid transmission takes place in hospitals, workplaces, supermarkets on public transport and between members of the same household who most likely caught it at work.

If people don’t go out mental illness soars as well as a decline in strength and mobility. A sure way to totally overwhelm the NHS and store up problems for years ahead.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

I highly doubt that anyone is catching it at the supermarket. Unless they’re having a secret orgy in the gluten free aisle.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

it’s not about a virus, public health, or even saving the bloody NHS. as soon as you get that, a lot of stuff which made no sense before just falls into place

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

What do you really mean by covid transmission??? Whats with this idea of NHS as susceptibility to ‘overwhelm’? It’s the same idea that was fed to us as lacking immunity to a novel ‘something’. WHO told you you were naked? – said the Lord. (This is your invitation to actually ask your OWN question and receive an answer that meets You). Instead of responding to the propaganda, why not choose NOT to run a virus on your own operating system? From the VERY FIRST – guilt and fear has grabbed the minds of the many to set off an ant’s ness in chaos. ANSWER: Do not let anything run in your mind (or as if your mind) from a guilt fear or hate reaction. IF the process in play is of releasing all that truly has no belonging in your mind as recognised and accepted in your heart, then you are refining and compressing to an essence or seed from which a new period of growth in creative expansion can unfold. The old invested identity shall not stand because it is inherently conflicted and no matter how close to 100% a collectivised fear can temporarily reach, it remains a control,… Read more »

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

As if they’d care. No doubt there is a good medical support network for the apparatchiks. Why would they worry about the great unwashed if they’re comfortable and cared for, with the promise of security and wealth in the future.
That’s how it seems, anyway.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
4 years ago

So Matt Hancock surreptitiously signs the death warrants of thousands of small businesses, with no parliamentary scrutiny and barely a squeak from the opposition benches. This is the same man who just a week ago was pictured smiling in a public park, playing rugby with his son as if he didn’t have a care in the world.

Wake the f**k up, people. These are your oppressors, not your saviours. There is no cavalry coming in the form of vaccines or warmer weather. This is totalitarianism. Your continued conformity is ENDING LIVES, not saving them. You can wash your hands as many times as you want – the bloodstains will never come out.

I hope every hospitality venue from Carlisle to Canterbury opens up this weekend. We need to end this farce once and for all.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

The problem is that the more time people spent locked up, the more propaganda they hear – because what else is there to do? – the more fearful they become because they don’t experience the real physical world.

It’s a self-reinforcing loop. More lockdowns more fear more lockdowns more fear until the country ends up being North Korea with everyone thoroughly dehumanised, demoralised and brainwashed.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

It wouldn’t surprise me if the lunatic QAnon right was able to build sufficient support to storm the Capitol earlier this month, precisely because lockdowns were causing people to spend almost all their free time online.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Jeez, that is one terrible take.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

My point is that without lockdowns they’d probably have things like jobs, family and friends to keep them from getting overly radicalized.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

You don’t see the gov-media as radicalising the population at large?
They call it ‘normalise’ its out of the kgb disinfo playbook.

Radical can mean from the root.
But often is used to mean fundamentally at variance, with social norms.
If society is normed to insane premise maybe sanity calls from the root, but this means walking out of a social ‘identity’.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

While Q can be seen as a way to repackage all and any doubt in Trump as saviour, the antifa were let in to the Capital.
You are being played and while you enjoy the ride you will sign up for more.
Nothing personal – for this applies to everyone who wants to believe their own ‘narrative identity’.
That we are free to give attention to what we accept and choose to value is our inalienable right. That we can give this freedom to ‘idols’ or ‘ideals’ is the nature of mind-control or mind-capture.

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sunny66
sunny66
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Well said! The current situation is an utter shambles. I cannot believe that people refuse to acknowledge the damage being caused by this fiasco. It needs to end RIGHT NOW!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  sunny66

But they do refuse to acknowledge it. Came across a couple on a walk yesterday. Although they ‘know how hard it is’ for some people, this is a ‘great opportunity’ to change the way things are done, and good for opportunities for environmental change blah blah blah. Completely taken in by the greens. What a crock.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

useful idiots

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago

The slow motion coup rumbles on.Lockdown to the middle of summer.Travellers quarantined for 2 weeks which amounts to closing the borders.
When will the majority wake up,this is never going to end unless enough of us say so.

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

I left the UK legally in December now I am threatened with being detained at my expense upon return. I shall need a negetative test before flight. Is this not imprisonment without trial?
No doubt the ‘hoteliers’ will be rubbing their sticky hands.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

Hotels have been some of the worst hit sectors in all of this.The only ones still open and functioning are the ones housing asylum seekers.
This measure may have had some merit if you were trying to keep out a virus but it’s already endemic.
This measure is to finish off the aviation and tourism industry

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R G
R G
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

The ones housing asylum seekers and the homeless are not only functioning, but thriving; the hotel my father works at has never made more money than it has since March. Only the beneficiaries of council largesse are going to survive.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

This measure is to finish off the aviation and tourism industry

Why? Climate change?

Incidentally I have noticed that some who criticize the Government for not locking down or closing the borders earlier accuse them of being “in the pocket of the aviation industry”…

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

In the pocket of the aviation industry? Please.

Have these people seen any recent quarterly financial results from the industry?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

I’ve long said this. If the greens have their way, there will be a return to the bad old days where travel was only the preserve of the super-rich, politicians, celebrities and royals. While the rest of us have to make do with Blackpool and Bognor Regis.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The green captured don’t have a way of any real choice but are being had by corporate stakeholders. A love of life and nature has been subverted and weaponised as an anti life agenda.
I see some signs of this recognition growing but the core beliefs in AGW – and human guilt agenda remain the backdrop to ‘justice warrior’. Nothing like fear, hate and evil to bolster a shaky identity.

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Not the Greens. Those who pull their strings.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Obeying Greta, Klaus, Owen Jones&co….

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JulieR
JulieR
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

I have written to my MP and questioned quarantine hotels idea. It is insane and against human rights. I told my MP that if I am forced into one I would go on hunger strike and get Talkradio to report it. Awaiting his reply.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

A negative result is really only valid at the moment of testing. It’s like saying ” I’m driving on a car trip at the weekend, so I’ll take a breathalyser test on Friday to make sure I’m fit to drive.”

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

The manipulation of language is disgusting.

Hotel quarantine.

I know a few people who have experienced this going to Asia. It is incarceration in solitary confinement. They literally saw no one for the two weeks. Food would be left outside their door and only when they received a ring on the phone could they open their door to collect the food. Armed guards on every floor.

What are we becoming.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Notably even Australia and New Zealand didn’t introduce hotel quarantine for returning residents (no-one else was allowed in at all of course) until April, because they had to wait for the hotels to empty out before they could be repurposed.

(Fortunately for them, their isolated location and ban on non-resident arrivals had kept imported cases down up to that point.)

The need to empty out hotels before hotel quarantine can properly be implemented is probably why Taiwan and South Korea resorted to the smartphone surveillance app approach to quarantining incomers.

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ituex
ituex
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Didn’t see your post before. I have written another below. My daughter, and hundreds like her are students in the US on sports scholarships. I am terrified for her. She won’t cope with this. I can’t cope with it. It means she can’t come home for spring break or Christmas at all. I have written to my MP but he is a zealot. I don’t know who to turn to.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  ituex

You turn to yourself. What should you do? What’s right, I would either go out and see them. Get a pay as you go mobile registered to a fake name and address and use this to go and when I get home I would just escape from the hotel and disobey the rules and they would be calling a phone I don’t own. Or I would let them come home and find a way to get them out the hotel. If this was my daughter NOTHING would stop me from seeing them. You KNOW the rules are wrong and fraudulent so don’t follow them.

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ituex
ituex
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

They will have armed guards. I am a retired woman. I can’t break her out of prison.

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nootnoot
nootnoot
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

The money needs to run out first giving way to mass job losses and poverty.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  nootnoot

The ‘money’ is generated by fraud.
While lubrication is required it will be applied.
As the new system is in place it mutates.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

Another early start. 3 hours work before homeschooling. At least I have a job.

On the above

“A senior Government source cautioned that although the data was starting to show signs of a slowing of infections, rates were not falling nearly as sharply as had been expected. The source said the picture had become “more pessimistic” over the past week about the Government’s ability to ease any measures in the short term.”

infections are dropping faster than they did after March/April spike. They are only looking at Imperial discredited REACT-1 study I expect

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I despaired when I heard this quote, it was as if King Canute’s people were still not convinced that he could not hold back the tide and so they all stood with him and glared at the tide until it swept over and drowned them all.
It seems to me that every year one or more coronaviruses roam about the damp chilly UK in the winter time and cause things like cold and flu. This year we have the SARS-Cov2 virus causing the covid cold. For years the UK had a Common Cold unit but we never controlled the common cold, we have been trying flu vaccines for a few years with limited success. Why do we now think that infection rates should go down because of our actions? They will go down when they are ready most likely with the weather, lockdowns, facemasks and hand wringing are not going to do it.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yes, I think Imperial has taken over – at least in philosophy. SAGE seem to not look at data that doesn’t agree with Imperials modelling.

All the evidence seems to show that R is unaffected by lockdown

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I wouldn’t say that, given that Sweden is above the other countries for much of that graph (and that Spain — the country with the harshest lockdown in Europe — got its R numbers very low by the summer), but it does show suggest that seasonality was the main thing bringing down cases in the spring.

Incidentally does anyone here think that Spain’s especially harsh lockdown may have been driven by an attempt to save at least some of the summer tourist season?

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

1 – The numbers are all coming down similarly. I would swap our graph on the above for Sweden’s. The removal of human rights and destruction of society gave us something that is indistinguishable from Sweden (given the error bars aren’t on the graph). Our lockdown should have given a step change on 23rd. It didn’t and lockdown had no noticeable effect

2 – I don’t believe it was driven by seasonality. The season does not change in that way across those countries. All countries R hitting 1.0 within days of each other, from Sweden to Italy. I think it was an effect of partial herd immunity

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PFD
PFD
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Agree with everything you say here. In particular the assertion that seasonality led to the fall off in April is wrong. The plot of R is classic Gompertz and the result of partial herd immunity.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

The issues around Sweden are known and have been mentioned on this site already. Does the 77th not teach its members to research?

For your benefit:

  • Sweden has larger care homes and a higher proportion of elderly in such care homes
  • Sweden has taken in a significant number of Somali migrants and their death rates were higher – likely due to Vitamin D deficiency
  • Sweden had a lighter death rate in the 2018/19 flu season, leaving more eldery alive than its neighbours.

Taking these factors into account, Sweden is on a par with Norway/Denmark. Therefore the question is why is Finland better than Sweden/Norway/Denmark?

In 2003, the Finnish Government mandated the fortification of certain foods for human consumption with Vitamin D. They have had 17 years of this to build up protection.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

I already knew about those reasons why Sweden did worse than the rest of Scandinavia. I’d also suggest though that Scandinavian cultures are quite socially-distanced even in normal times, and that’s another reason why Somali immigrants (who didn’t share that culture) were disproportionately hit.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Sadly sage = big pharma.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yes, you’ve nailed it there. We are dealing with King Canute logic here.

The biggest failure by the decision makers (politicians and the science industry) is this ridiculous medieval belief (amplified and reinforced by conflicts of interest and hysteria and group think) that viral transmission can be stopped by these interventions you mention.

This is a seasonal virus and it goes away as the seasons change in exactly the same way that the tide goes out through natural forces.

Of course you need to look at the real science based on proper analysis using the scientific method (not to be confused with the conflicted science industry), but as soon as you do you realise that the interventions don’t work.

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Bungle
Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Cnut, please get the spelling of the king’s name right! Imagine if someone wrote Ctun or Ctnu???

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

I guess people started spelling it “Canute” because they were trying to replicate how it’s pronounced.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

I imagine Zippy’s version of those four letters would make George blush.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

So what your saying is; lockdowns don’t fucking work? Well who would have thunk? Despite terrifying the population, closing down schools, shutting all social meeting places and locking the healthy under house arrest the infections did not fall. So there can only be two reasons.

1. Lockdowns do nothing to prevent the spread.

2. The PCR test is giving out false positives and cannot be relied upon.

Which one do ya wanna choose? Oh you want to make up your own reason which is non compliance of your laws? Well I can show scientifically proven papers to back up my two reasons. What have you got? Oh Karen has seen people down the supermarket not wearing a mask and Sadiq has seen people over the park walking their dogs, the bastards!

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

‘……the difference between a prediction of 2700 to the reality of 47 is embarrassing to say the least, and shows why the Government must not hand over total policy control to the scientists who are clearly not infallible with their predictions.” Esther McVey

The entire weird out in a nutshell

Just like:

‘Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results’ Grant Shapps

I’ll have another look at the amazingly dull, lightweight ‘Antivirus’ website but my immediate reaction still stands:

Exactly how dumb are these people?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

“Exactly how dumb are these people?”

How dumb would most people be with £millions at stake?

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

‘….the failure of the lockdown sceptics’ movement to achieve any penetration with the wider public.’ (Reference above)

Personal observation divides the adult population broadly into two main categories:

Small business self employed: overwhelmingly sceptical….roughly 16 million…you don’t see them in supermarkets and they don’t engage in surveys because they are too busy making ends meet

Public sector employees and retired public sector employees: overwhelmingly lockdown zealots…..roughly 16.5 million……

I don’t see that as a failure.

The question for the government: which of the above voted you into power?

No wonder the May elections are going to be delayed…..again…….

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

you don’t see them in supermarkets

Wouldn’t the real lockdown zealots not be found in supermarkets either, because they’d be getting all their shopping delivered to their homes?

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

You haven’t got the hang of this at all.

The real lockdown zealot want others locked down but not themselves so they can get out and about correcting people on their mask wearing, social distancing, informing the Police of the activities of their neighbours and so on……

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Caramel
Caramel
4 years ago

When Hancockupthecountry made his statements, I thought that it was likely that restrictions would be eased in around June/July. So my unfortunate bet will be that they will be eased in July and then more in September.

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TheClone
TheClone
4 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Which year? 2021? The lockdowns are forever! Wake up!

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

My MP is in the CRG. I’ve been asking him for the metrics of when restrictions will be lifted. He has been trying to get it out of the government – but the fact is they don’t have one. They are winging it.

Infections are falling rapidly – faster than April 2020

Pressure on NHS will be lifting over the next few weeks – admissions been dropping for a few days

CRG need to threaten Boris with a leadership election if we don’t at least have a plan

In Churchill’s war diaries he says that up to a point we had only had defeats and then after that point only victories. He was close to being removed at that point and if he had have been then the victories would have been someone else’s and he’d go down as a terrible prime minister. We need the same pressure applied to Johnson

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I am confident that a credible threat of triggering a leadership contest could force Boris Johnson into a U-turn. The Covid Recovery Group have far more MPs than necessary. If Harper or Baker or Brady were to inform Number Ten that the letters are pouring in and the threshold is about to be met, I sure Johnson would be prepared to bow to any demands. Boris might like to compare himself to Churchill, but that’s mere fantasy.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Apart from public sentiment shifting away from lockdown – which I don’t really see happening (lets see what Spring brings), I think the 1922 committee is the main hope.

I think we should apply pressure to our MPs. Demand they demand a get out timetable with ‘actionable metrics’. If Johnson can’t supply it then someone else will. This is more important than his career.

This summer will be the time the govt needs to outline its cost benefit and come up with a pandemic plan (or just retrieve the last one from the bin). We can’t let them say they don’t have time or we’ll be in lockdown by autumn

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

It’s a very rational comment, Steve. But you could have written it word for word last Spring. It’s rinse and repeat.

We know the regime can spin out hope and piss away a year easily.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

yes, I think I did write it last spring! This is the problem. I expect I also wrote ‘with the coming of summer, the infection in retreat, people will demand an end to the restrictions and a promise it wont happen again’ etc. and yet here we are

but still, the same solutions apply then as now. have a proper, rational pandemic plan – the one they binned was fine

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

That depends on level of support for axing Bojo. If he’s feeling confident then he faces them down, and the eventual vote to remove him collapses below the number who sent letters. Bojo triumphant, and safe for a full year.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I commented above that I see the most likely mechanism for BoJo’s downfall will be unrelated to Covid. The end will come once the Tory party acknowledges just how toxic he has become north of the border. (Now that the Brexit arguments are over, I expect Ruth Davidson to make a comeback into front line politics, but Johnson would have to go first.)

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I foresee Johnson’s reign being commemorated with novelty toilets in his deserving image. Nightclubs and bars may go one further and dedicate their urinals etc to the whole cabinet and SAGE.

I’ve yet to figure out where POTUS will put the one we send him/her/they.

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Jez Hewitt

the very idea of shitting on that man’s face, is disturbing and satisfying in equal measure.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

They are one set of clowns and muppets to love to hate.
The course will be held by hook and by crook, to bring the herd ‘safely’ under control. Churchill practiced his vanity for mirrors before working the crowd. Boris is no less groomed but to work todays crowd. The projection of image required for political manipulation in our times is profiled and targeted to the psychological manipulations of the times.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Amazing how wars can be made to serve so many world and mind shaping functions.

This is also a war but along lines that most cannot recognise – but then nor were the conventional wars what was mainstreamed to the fodder.

All wars are bankers wars.
You can also say that with financial backing no war can sustain itself.
This covid or climate or cancel war is backed by huge financial interests.
It doesn’t destroy their ‘economy’ but consolidates more to their possession and control.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Binra

The advantage of war for the banksters is that it allows them some control over the timing of the destruction, sufficient for them to preserve theirs at the expense of everyone else. Then it is simply a matter of selling to both sides.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Ken Garoo

And to shape the post war world….
War bankrupts nations. Not Banks and their invested tentacles of influence.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

“They are winging it”.

Of course they are. That is one of the reasons for the use of the 1984 Health Act. Providing the situation is assessed every 3-4 weeks, they can go on forever as long as the come up with some bs that satisfies ‘significant and imminent threat’ part of the legislation.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

With project management there is view that you need a range of personality types, operating in balance to develop and complete a project. One theory puts forward 9 key personality types that you need on a complex project, like UK coronavirus response. Management theory is both annoying and useful in equal measure but please bear with me!

I looked at the Remit for the SAGE group who are a major player in this hoo-haa;
The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) provides scientific and technical advice to support government decision makers during emergencies.

So SAGE might make up 1 or 2 of the personality types you need on this project but where are the rest? who are the Government Decision makers? who is the completer/finisher? who is the free thinker? who is the people oriented coordinator? To my mind this whole pantomime now looks like a classic case study in failed project management with no apparent ability or idea of how to bring the project to a satisfactory conclusion.

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WasSteph
WasSteph
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

And they missed what we all, in project management, know is an option that should always be considered – do nothing. Save your blood and treasure and consider would you be any worse off at the end? This government was severely infected by the must-be-seen-to-be-doing-something bug and has catastrophically failed. They won’t ever let go now though as their arses are truly on the line. Much worse than wasting a few billion on a failed IT project, they have actually killed people.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

Their arses ARE on the line. And their necks.

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TheClone
TheClone
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I don’t think so – they are untouchable!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

Not for long.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

yes. they should have done nothing until the cost/benefit had been made

I accept the case they didn’t have time in March because they panicked and needed to flatten the curve or whatever. But straight after that they should have put every effort into the cost benefit analysis. I suspect (eat out to help out) they thought it was done and dusted

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I accept the case they didn’t have time in March

They were informed about the virus at the beginning of January 2020 by the World Health Organisation. They decided not to secure the borders, ie, to import the virus.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

They are just good little puppets.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

Seeing as the core ‘nudge’ is to ACT NOW OR ELSE! I don’t think they were ever managing any other other project. But there will be useful idiots who are used as fronts and puppets, who only need to know what their ‘profiled personality’ wants to know.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It’s interesting that you do see a mix of personality types on lockdown skeptics, and that is what makes the discussions useful.

There are the free thinkers, who don’t want to look at the data analyses at all but can see past the Government propaganda and official explanations, and engage readily with different ideas.

And they get helped out by those doing the data analyses who can show that alternate ideas are in fact the reality on proper analysis.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

who is this fucking sage anyway? I don’t remember anyone voting for them. they can all fuck off

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Bungle
Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

You are probably referring to Belbin’s Team Role Theory which recognises 9 separate roles, 3 Cerebral, 3 Action and 3 People. These roles relate to behaviours, not personality.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Well the gist is that different people offer different perspectives that grow a consciousness greater than the sum of its parts.
I’m sure there are innumerable theories to invoke for anything. If it serves you well why not use it.

I see a reintegrative or healing process to a fragmentation and incoherence that has become ‘normalised’ as behavioural response to its own self-conditioning action and reaction. Willingness to see the same situation with new eyes, is the release of the persistence of what is recognised to not only not work, and never work, but actively undermine or prevent anything truly working – except as a persistence of the habit to its logical conclusion.

In the sense I am using workability, it is unarguable, that is to say one can choose not to accept or see destruction, but the fact operates regardless.
The capacity to see destruction as a means of creation as a private agenda set over reality, is the dissociating or fragmenting lure of power to a sense of self-lack running a hole in place of wholeness.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The prime requirement for getting to the top in Western governments is amenablitity to being bought and committment to staying bought. Epitomised by Tory Bliar.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Thanks for raising this – I have been thinking this myself because IIRC the British in WW2 had a sort of ‘devil’s advocate’ group which pointed out all the flaws in British planning and tactics. Germany by contrast did not have one because it was taboo for Germans to admit their plans might be wrong or flawed. I wonder if the British government has such a group for the Great War on Covid? I highly doubt it.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

Dolores Cahill on vaccines (15 mins)

Interview with Prof. Dolores Cahill – YouTube

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago

Message for the reader with a mother in hospital…. GO to the hospital and INSIST on seeing your mother. Do not take no for an answer. No matter what they say, keep saying, “I want to see my mother!” Just keep saying it. Don’t argue with them. Just plead. I had to do this when a loved one was in hospital. Just do it. It is inhumane, a breach of human rights and unspeakably cruel not to let you see your mother. She has a right to have someone advocate for her. You may need to get her discharged and taken to a different hospital. I had to do that, too. It was very dramatic but – potentially – life saving. Don’t back down. My heart is breaking for you!

Last edited 4 years ago by CivilianNotCovidian
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Paulus
Paulus
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Having worked closely with elderly people in hospital I have seen more than enough poor care and the devaluing of our most vulnerable. The fact these issues have occurred when families were involved and visiting caused me to consider what it was like for people with no one to advocate for them. Fully concur with civilians post.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

OF COURSE they don’t want relatives in there poking around. If you’re not there, their work is far less scrutinised.

I hate the NHS and I hate the spineless self-serving people working in there.

The NHS workers coming out are minute in number. The majority are happy with the reduced workload (for most of them), the reduced scrutiny. The ones that aren’t and are quiet are just spineless. I don’t see too many of them coming out complaining about the horrific ads.

1.5 million employees. 200 billion pound budget. Can’t deal with a few thousand extra patients.

Screw them all.

Last edited 4 years ago by stewart
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ElizaP
ElizaP
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Well the thought has certainly crossed my mind that there would be advantages to the NHS going down the swanee – given there are so many Lockdown Zealots/wimps working for them. Then we have a much bigger private sector/cheaper private health care insurance – and they remember that “He/she that pays the piper calls the tune”. Of course we are all paying for the NHS anyway – but because it’s not coming directly from us personally – many NHS employees forget that “we pay – so we say”. But if we were paying directly – they would have to darn well remember that they are OUR employees and do as we require.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
4 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

The intent is to convert to NHS to a (highly profitable) US-style system, which costs nearly 3 times the OECD average per person for a worse outcome (extremely wealthy excluded). It is a bureaucratic nightmare that makes the NHS seem quite rational.

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We already have the £54,000 a year diversity manager and the £41,000 a year doctor.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

My brother got taken in last night with a bleed on the brain and had surgery. No visitors allowed. He’s all alone.

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Hellonearth
Hellonearth
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

This is simply heartless and cruel. I hope your brother recovers soon and can leave his prison and get home.

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fiery
fiery
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Sorry to hear about your brother and hope he recovers soon.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Disregard for the elderly and their families is nothing new. My mother was taken to hospital with sepsis six years ago when she was 89 and wasn’t expected to survive. The doctor who dealt with her told us to disregard visiting hours and visit whenever, and for as long as, we wanted. The visiting time bell went at the first visit and the nurses told my brother and me that we had to leave. We explained what the doctor had said and received tuts and frowns in response, completely uncaring about our mother’s precarious state of health. Thereafter they used to scowl at us at every visit … as we could well see how little they contributed to the wellbeing of their patients. In spite of the hospital’s very concerted efforts to finish her off, mother lived for another five years. My 88 year old FIL was taken to hospital in central London about 15 months ago for a precautionary check up following a fall at home. His wife couldn’t accompany him to hospital as it was the middle of the night and she has her own mobility problems. The paramedics promised that the hospital would keep her informed of… Read more »

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

Winter of Discontent: Brits Face Power Rationing as Wind Power Output Collapses (again and again)
by stopthesethings  
https://stopthesethings.com/2021/01/25/winter-of-discontent-brits-face-power-rationing-as-wind-power-output-collapses-again-and-again/

Brits expecting their thousands of wind turbines to deliver the goods this winter have been disappointed, yet again. While Boris Johnson peddles his delusional plan to run the UK entirely on breezes and bluster, the typical (and wholly expected) collapse in wind power output across Britain this winter provides a taste of things to come. […]

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

If you don’t have your own solar panels, buy a diesel generator. If everybody did this, the government would crap it.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I already did, last April
I have no confidence in anything anymore

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Dear children,

(Those of you who managed to learn how to read and write)

Goodbye to the happiest days of your lives.

School’s out for summer. School’s out for ever. School’s been blown to pieces.

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TheClone
TheClone
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Dear children, granny screwed up your life for her’s!

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

Dear children, those purporting to represent granny, screwed up your life and hers in the pretence it was protecting hers

Last edited 4 years ago by Freecumbria
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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Quite – I don’t recall Granny being asked if she wanted this

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

more like it

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  TheClone

don’t scapegoat the grannies, they had nothing to do with this atrocity

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Didn’t they though?

Are we sure there isn’t a strong correlation between the mean age of a population and lockdown savagery?

Young populations are just getting on with life because thats what those constituencies want.

The places with more late middle aged and older people want to be protected from the killer virus from Wuhan.

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bluemoon
bluemoon
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Enough with these generalisations!
I’m so fed up with boomers this, all old people that – just STOP IT.
Stewart – this is not a dig at you personally, don’t be offended.
I’m just another thoroughly pissed off old person.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

In my area there are many young people and teens wearing muzzles. I am retired and refuse to wear one and abhor this tyranny. Many older people agree. The very old with dementia are being used as scapegoats. I certainly don’t want protecting from a flu no worse than many I’ve lived through. The elderly are being murdered.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Maybe you can incorporate the last sentence into a song?

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

It could be a hit! 😉

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