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by Will Jones
5 February 2021 4:27 AM

Hotel Quarantine to Open on February 15th

The UK is set to follow Australia and New Zealand within the next two weeks in requiring all UK residents to put themselves up in guarded quarantine hotels when returning from abroad. The BBC has the details.

UK residents returning from coronavirus hotspots abroad will have to quarantine in hotels from February 15th, Government sources have told the BBC.

Owners will be asked to provide accommodation for more than 1,000 new people every day, documents suggest. Passengers will have to stay in their rooms for 10 nights, with security guards accompanying them outside.

Labour called the measures “too little, too late” to deal properly with new overseas strains of Covid. “It is beyond comprehension that these measures won’t even start until February 15th,” said Shadow Home Secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds.

Speaking on BBC’s Question Time, Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden said the Government was “aiming to see” February 15th as the date new hotel quarantine plans for arrivals into the UK will be introduced.

Asked why it had taken so long to implement he said: “We want to make sure that we get this right so that when people go to those hotels, the hotels are in place, the transport is in place.”

The airports thought to be under consideration as locations for quarantine hotels are Heathrow, Gatwick, London City, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen.

The rules are expected to apply to UK nationals and residents returning to the country from 30 “red list” COVID-19 hotspots, including several South American and African countries where new Covid variants have been detected in large numbers of people.

Travellers will have to foot the bill themselves, and they will be forcibly prevented from leaving by security personnel, who will accompany them on any periods outside of the room.

According to documents seen by the BBC, the Government wants quarantine hotels to be made “available on an exclusive basis”.

Guests will have three meals a day – hot or cold – in their rooms, with tea, coffee, fruit and water being available. Security will “accompany any of the arrived individuals to access outside space should they need to smoke or get fresh air”, one document says.

One hospitality industry source said the Government estimated the cost at about £80 per night per person. “If they are taking rooms for 1,425 passengers per night until March 31st, that is a bill of £55m,” they added.

Government sources confirmed to the BBC that travellers coming home will be expected to pay for the costs of their accommodation in quarantine hotels. Ministers are also likely to increase the fines for people who break the rules around quarantine.

No indication of an end point to these extraordinary measures, or what criteria will be used to decide when to lift them, has been given. If the Government has thought this through, they’re not letting on.

The Case Against Lockdown: A Reply to Christopher Snowdon

Bob Moran’s cartoon in the Telegraph on September 10th 2020

Toby has replied to Christopher Snowdon’s attack on lockdown sceptics. Like Snowdon’s piece, Toby’s article appears in Quillette, where Toby is employed as an Associate Editor. He doesn’t bother rebutting Snowdon’s detailed criticisms of Ivor Cummins and Dr Mike Yeadon because he doesn’t think the case against the lockdown policy stands or falls on whether their analysis is correct. I’ll let him explain.

We can quibble about the reliability of industrial-scale PCR testing, whether the “second wave” in Europe and America has been ameliorated by naturally acquired immunity and whether deaths due to other diseases have being wrongly classified as deaths due to novel coronavirus. But that is largely beside the point. Sceptics could concede all of Snowdon’s points—acknowledge that the threat posed by SARS-CoV-2 is every bit as grave as the most hard-line lockdowners say it is—without endangering the central limb of our argument. Our contention is that the whole panoply of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) that governments around the world have used to try and control the pandemic—closing schools and gyms, shutting non-essential shops, banning household mixing, restricting travel, telling people they can’t leave their homes without a reasonable excuse, etc.—have been largely ineffective.

Sure, there are some peer-reviewed studies published in reputable journals seeming to show that these measures reduce COVID-19 infections, hospital admissions, and deaths. (See here, for instance.) But most of these rely on epidemiological models that make unfalsifiable claims about how many people would have died if governments had just sat on their hands—and some of these models have been widely criticised. The evidence that lockdowns don’t work, by contrast, is not based on conjecture but on observing the effects of lockdowns in different countries. (You can review 30 of these studies here.) What these data seem to show is that the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in each country rises and falls—and then rises and falls again, although less steeply as the virus moves towards endemic equilibrium—according to a similar pattern regardless of what NPIs governments impose.

The factors that affect a population’s vulnerability to the disease are things like distance from the equator, previous exposure to other coronaviruses, and genetics, not how nimble or smart their political leaders are. (Although the timely introduction of port-of-entry controls for visitors from China may have contributed to the low COVID mortality in some Asian and Oceanic countries.) If lockdowns work, you’d expect to see an inverse correlation between the severity of the NPIs a country puts in place and the number of COVID deaths per capita, but you don’t. On the contrary, deaths per million were actually lower in those US states that didn’t shut down than in those that did—at least in the first seven-and-a-half months of last year. Trying to explain away these inconvenient facts by factoring in any number of variables—average age, hours of sunlight, population density—doesn’t seem to help. There’s no signal in that noise.

Incidentally, Snowdon’s claim that the first British lockdown reduced COVID infections is easy to debunk. You just look at when deaths peaked in England and Wales—April 8th—go back three weeks, which is the estimated time from infection to death among the roughly one in 400 infected people who succumb to the disease, and you get to March 19th, indicating infections peaked five days before the lockdown was imposed. Even Chris Whitty, England’s Chief Medical Officer, acknowledged that the reproduction rate was falling before the first hammer came down.

By contrast, the evidence that the policy responses to the pandemic have caused—and will cause—catastrophic harm is pretty strong. Shutting schools causes significant harm to all children, but particularly to the least well-off. Telling people they’re not allowed to socialise—no restaurants, bars, or café, no festivals or sporting events—has contributed to a mental health crisis that has seen “deaths of despair” spike up. Closing non-essential businesses and ordering everyone to stay at home has caused jaw-dropping economic contractions—the UK economy shrunk by 20.8 percent in Q2 of 2020—that have sent unemployment soaring and triggered a global economic recession that the World Bank estimates pushed between 88–115 million people into extreme poverty last year, with the total expected to rise as high as 150 million in 2021. Governments across the world have mothballed huge swathes of their economies in a largely futile attempt to mitigate the impact of the virus, burdening future generations with unmanageable national debts.

Worth reading in full.

Inside the Zero Covid Cult

Piers Morgan, Devi Sridhar and Nicola Sturgeon

UnHerd‘s Freddie Sayers reports on the worrying growth in popularity and gathering strength of the Zero Covid cause.

As I discovered last week, the first rule of ZeroCovid Club is: do not talk about ZeroCovid Club. “ZeroCovid” is, after all, a term that elicits confusion and, sometimes, outright hostility. Perhaps that’s why, when leading members of the global ZeroCovid movement met for a three-day international conference last Wednesday, it had a far more innocuous title: the “Covid Community Action Summit”.

But even though this increasingly popular school of thought – which holds that we must not return to normal until the virus is completely eliminated within a country – wasn’t explicitly on the billing, its presence was made clear from the outset. In her introductory remarks, the moderator confirmed to the more than 600 registrants and speakers from across the world that “we are here to end Covid through ZeroCovid and CovidZero policies”. More often at the event, held over Zoom and organised by American scientist Yaneer Bar-Yam, speakers preferred to refer to ZeroCovid as an “elimination strategy”.

Yet the purpose of the event was clear: to share evidence and political advice to help campaigners lobby Western governments to abandon any notion of living alongside the virus, and instead to follow the lead of Asia-Pacific nations in aiming to eliminate the disease entirely within their borders. This group is crucially distinct from people who support ongoing lockdown measures to suppress the virus to a level where it is safe to reopen – for ZeroCovid believers, we cannot rest until that level is zero.

Extreme it may be, but it is no fringe movement.

Their advocates are among the most regular faces in broadcast media; Professor Devi Sridhar, one of its most outspoken advocates, has appeared on Channel 4 News 21 times during the pandemic – more than any other expert.

There’s a UK ZeroCovid chapter, which last month hosted its own well-attended online conference; the Scottish Government is committed to their campaign, alongside Independent SAGE, British trade unions and Labour MPs such as Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. Meanwhile, influential Tory MPs like Jeremy Hunt advocate a strategy of “zero infections and elimination of the disease” and routinely refer to the Asian model. Google search results in the UK and US for “ZeroCovid” are at an all-time high. The campaign has momentum.

Sayers spies the fatal flaw for any country that values its freedom.

ZeroCovid is a totalitarian aim, best delivered by a totalitarian state. Even in Australia, last weekend there was panic buying in Perth as the city re-entered lockdown in response to a single positive test result. So far at least, British voters have not chosen to reject liberal democracy, no matter what the epidemiological allure of a ZeroCovid regime.

For now, the British Government has resisted the campaign’s logic, and the Prime Minister continues to make encouraging signals about easing restrictions and even summer holidays. But as the impact of the vaccine is felt and the number of cases continues to fall, the politically difficult question of what constitutes an acceptable level of infection will have to be addressed.

Whatever that level is, expect well-spoken ZeroCovid campaigners to say it is too high. At each hesitant step towards opening up society, expect it to be called irresponsible and short-termist. No doubt ZeroCoviders sincerely believe their campaign for a Covid-free world is a noble one. But how successful they are at influencing policy will affect the shape of our society for years to come.

Worth reading in full.

Does a Single Dose of the Oxford Vaccine Really Cut Transmission by Two-Thirds?

Earlier this week there were excited reports that a single dose of the Oxford vaccine had been shown in trials to prevent “two-thirds of Covid transmissions”. In itself, this result would not be surprising, once you remember that asymptomatic infection is not a major driver of transmission, and the vaccine has been shown to reduce symptomatic infection. However, the study drew this conclusion, not because it accepted that premise, but because it maintained the opposite, namely, that asymptomatic infection is a major driver of transmission, and thus it claims to have shown that the vaccine reduces the incidence of asymptomatic infections.

We asked pathologist and regular contributor Dr Clare Craig to take a closer look at this study and have published her findings on the right-hand side. She was not impressed.

On February 1st the Oxford Vaccine Group published their latest findings on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. While the findings are encouraging, the way they have been interpreted is questionable. The study is underpowered for the conclusions that are being drawn from it and there has been extensive data mining undertaken retrospectively in an attempt to draw more powerful conclusions.

They concluded that in the vaccinated group two thirds fewer people were infected. Despite admitting that they did not study transmission, they still commented on it. The conclusions reached were the overall percentage testing positive was 54% lower “indicating the potential for a reduction of transmission”. The 54% figure was deduced from positivity including asymptomatic positives. This is not a reasonable conclusion to draw on two counts. They have assumed that asymptomatic positives are a major source of transmission and there is minimal evidence to support that assertion; and they failed to account for false positive test results.

Asymptomatic positives were looked for only in the UK participants. They have not stated how often these people were tested, but it can be inferred that they were tested 10 times each on a weekly basis for follow up from day 22 to day 90. That is 82,070 tests. A remarkably low false positive rate of 0.16% would be enough to account for the asymptomatic positives that they found. Repeat testing will only exclude false positives if a negative result is used to overrule a previous positive result. The criteria for calling a positive were not disclosed in the paper and it is assumed that a single PCR positive test was considered significant.

Instead of realising this there has been over-interpretation of the results.

The problem is that the results are all over the place, leaving no confidence in the research group’s conclusions.

Note that the difference between the two control groups in the symptomatic positives is significant – 2.7% infected vs 3.6% infected. If there is potential for that much difference between the control arms, then the impact of the difference between the control and vaccine arm has to be called into question. There does appear to be an effect of vaccination in the symptomatic group, but the effect is not as dramatic when considering that one control arm had a 25% reduction in symptomatic positives by chance alone.

For the asymptomatic positives, again, the difference between the two control arms – 2.2% vs 1.5% – is of the same order of magnitude as the difference it is claimed was due to the vaccine in the low dose arm – 1.2% vs 2.2%. Furthermore, when two standard doses were given, no difference was observed at all – 1.5% were asymptomatic positives in both control and vaccine arms.

How can the vaccine be having an impact if it is possible to find the same impact by randomly assigning people to two different control groups?

Worth reading in full.

Is the UK Complying With WHO Guidance on PCR Testing?

A Lockdown Sceptics reader wrote to his MP to ask whether the UK was complying with new WHO guidance, published in January, about how to use PCR tests correctly for COVID-19.

The MP put his questions to the House of Commons Library. The answer that came back was basically no, or rather, we leave it up to the labs to decide what to do. Here it is in full.

An article in the journal Science explains the cycle threshold in the following way:

“Standard tests identify SARS-CoV-2 infections by isolating and amplifying viral RNA using a procedure known as the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), which relies on multiple cycles of amplification to produce a detectable amount of RNA. The CT value is the number of cycles necessary to spot the virus; PCR machines stop running at that point. If a positive signal isn’t seen after 37 to 40 cycles, the test is negative (see “One number could help reveal how infectious a COVID-19 patient is. Should test results include it?“, Science, September 29th 2020)“

The cycle threshold (Ct) value can broadly tell you the concentration of “viral genetic material” in a patient sample following testing by RT-PCR. The Public Health England (PHE) publication on Understanding cycle threshold (Ct)  in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR (October 2020) explains that:

“A low Ct indicates a high concentration of viral genetic material, which is typically associated with high risk of infectivity.

“A high Ct indicates a low concentration of viral genetic material which is typically associated with a lower risk of infectivity. In the context of an upper respiratory tract sample a high Ct may also represent scenarios where a higher risk of infection remains – for example, early infection, inadequately collected or degraded sample.

“A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.“

The Library is not in a position to know if the laboratories across the UK that are processing COVID-19 tests are providing information on Ct values to a central point (such as Departments of Health across the devolved administrations, Test and Trace in England); I cannot see that there is information publicly available detailing how each laboratory runs its PCR machines.

There is, however, more general information about Cycle Thresholds published by PHE. Its publication on Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR explains that there are “many different SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR assays/platforms in use across the UK” and that “each assay will have a slightly different limit of detection (LoD) – the lowest concentration of virus that can be reliably and consistently detected by the assay”.

The document goes on to caution against directly comparing cycle threshold values:

“Ct [cycle threshold] values cannot be directly compared between assays of different types due to variation in the sensitivity (limit of detection), chemistry of reagents, gene targets, cycle parameters, analytical interpretive methods, sample preparation and extraction techniques (p7). The same document states that ‘a typical RT-PCR assay will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles’ (see p6). Further background on cycle threshold values can be found on pages 3 & 6 of the PHE document.“

Separate guidance published by PHE states that “All laboratories should determine the threshold for a positive result at the limit of detection based on the in-use assay” (PHE, “Research and analysis: Assurance of SARS-CoV-2 RNA positive results during periods of low prevalence“, Updated October 16th 2020).

Wales

Regarding the situation in Wales, the Welsh Parliament Research Service has produced a briefing on PCR testing in response to a petition considered by the Petitions Committee on “Abandon the rt-PCR test for covid-19 testing as its unfit for purpose” (see Welsh Parliament Research Service “Testing for COVID-19 using the rt-PCR test“, December 15th 2020). This notes that:

“The TAC report on the RT-PCR test confirmed (p.10) that multiple platforms (representing equipment from different manufacturers) were being used by Public Health Wales (PHW) to support the testing regime. In terms of the number of amplification cycles involved in RT-PCR, PHW responses to Freedom of Information requests (FOI 451 and FOI 461) indicate that: The real-time PCR assays in use in Wales for COVID-19 diagnostics all run for 45 cycles however, the cycle number where the sample is defined as RNA NOT DETECTED varies by platform and target gene detected by the system. This is defined by the manufacturer.“

Asymptomatic testing

The constituent also asked if those who are asymptomatic and receive a positive COVID-19 result are retested. I cannot see anything suggesting that those who are asymptomatic, and are tested using the RT-PCR test, would be retested on receipt of a positive result. There is guidance, however, that those who are asymptomatic and receive a positive result after using a lateral flow test would be required/offered to have a PCR test to confirm the result (see, for example, Birmingham City Council, “Covid-19 lateral flow device (LFD) testing information“, not dated).

Tribute to a Father

Lockdown Sceptics reader Andy Smith has written to tell us the sad story of his dad’s death on Wednesday.

I gave these low grade politicians the benefit of the doubt with their initial three week lock down, in the face of “a new virus”, to “flatten the sombrero and save the NHS from being overrun”. In my mind, a stated incubation period of up to 14 days should have seen seen the methodology of a three week lockdown vindicated. As soon as Johnson and his henchmen continued the lockdown, without evidence to substantiate it, it became obvious to me that we were being governed by the equivalent of a bunch of double glazing salesmen, dating back to the 1970s (apologies to those guys) who refused to leave your home without a pressurised sale.

My dad: Herbert Bruce Smith –“Bruce” to everyone – was taken by ambulance from his home just outside Norwich to the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital on January 11th with a suspected water infection (diagnosed by the ambulance crew). Upon being admitted to hospital we (my mum Janet, my sister Wendy and I) were horrified that he had been put in a Covid ward being suspected of having the virus. Two days later his test came back negative and he was moved out of the Covid ward into his own room.

He was expected to return home on January 21st but was refused as he had now tested positive for Covid – obviously caught in hospital. I would stress here that I do not blame the hospital. I blame Johnson and Hancock for the way they are governing the NHS and I hope I live long enough to see their day of reckoning when the world regains its common sense.

Bruce was subsequently transferred to Dereham hospital. I am in Costa Rica, Wendy is currently self-isolating in Norwich having tested positive for the virus and my mum was allowed access to my dad’s bedside. We had a family video conference call on the morning of February 2nd. It was harrowing because it is a memory of my dad that is not consistent with his life and it is one that my mum, Wendy and I will replace in our minds with much better ones over time.

Today, February 3rd, Bruce (husband of my mum for 68 years and our dad) died. What world are we living in where travel and quarantine restrictions do not allow me to return home and be together with my my mum and my sister to say goodbye to a wonderful man?

My initial observation is that my dad will have contributed to Hancock’s statistics twice, firstly testing positive in hospital and secondly his death certificate will, I am sure, record the virus as the cause of death.

Like many families, I do not want my father to become another Government statistic, so I hope you publish this as a tribute not only to “Bruce” but to all the other expendable casualties.

Spot the Pandemic Year

Source: FOI request supplied by a Lockdown Sceptics reader

Can the Government Force You to Be Tested?

There follows a guest post by Dr John Fanning, Senior Lecturer in Tort law at the University of Liverpool, addressing the worrying prospect of forced testing for COVID-19.

The Department of Health announced this week that it will deploy door-to-door “surge testing” in parts of England to “monitor and suppress” the spread of the South African variant of COVID-19. This “testing blitz” will apply in Bristol and Liverpool and in specified postcode areas in the East of England (EN10), London (W7, N17, CR4), the North West (PR9), the South East (ME15 and GU21) and the West Midlands (WS2). Residents over the age of 16 in these target areas will be asked to take a COVID test, regardless of whether they have symptoms. Liverpool’s return to the naughty step is particularly irksome: it is the second time in three months that the city has hosted a mass asymptomatic testing programme. Last time, the results cast doubt on claims that the city had a serious problem: of the 108,304 asymptomatic people tested in Liverpool between November 6th and 26th 2020, 703 tested positive for COVID-19 – or 0.6%. This time, health officials in Liverpool and in other “surge” areas will ask residents to take a test, perhaps even on their doorstep, to “come down hard” on the new variant.

All this raises an interesting question: if a health official knocks on your door, do you have to be tested? As things stand, it doesn’t appear so. In general, anyone who “inflicts” unlawful force on another person commits the tort of battery (Collins v Wilcock [1984] 1 WLR 1172), sometimes also known as a “trespass”. Any form of bodily contact exceeding the jostling of (normal) everyday life will qualify as a trespass; e.g. a punch in the face, an unwanted kiss, a swab forced up the nose, and so on. What makes the “infliction” of force lawful is the presence of the other person’s consent. This is why a doctor must be sure that she/he has a patient’s consent before beginning a medical examination or administering treatment – without it, she/he will be acting unlawfully. In spite of the Health Secretary’s gung-ho rhetoric and the impression cultivated by the media, the mass testing programme seems ultimately to rely on the consent of its participants: the Department of Health “strongly encourages” people in the target areas to participate and talks of tests being “offered” to those who must leave their homes for essential reasons. The Government evidently prefers the ‘carrot’ approach, perhaps fearing the optics of a scheme buttressed by compulsion. Mercifully, the prospect of being wrestled to the ground as a local authority functionary forces a swab down your throat remains – at least for now – the stuff of libertarian nightmares.

The problem is that the Government does have a “big stick” at its disposal in the form of the Coronavirus Act 2020. Schedule 21 to that Act contains powers that the state can deploy against “potentially infectious persons”; i.e., those who are, or may be, infected or contaminated with coronavirus and who might therefore infect or contaminate others – which, during a global pandemic, could be just about anyone. Where a public health officer or a police constable considers it “necessary and proportionate” in the interests of the person, for the protection of others, or for the maintenance of public health, she/he can deploy the powers under Schedule 21. These include the power to remove a potentially infectious person to a place for “suitable screening and assessment” (para.6), to hold that person at that place for up to 48 hours (if held by a public health officer) (para.9) or for renewable 24-hour periods (if held by a police constable) (para.13), to require that person to provide a biological sample (para.10), and, in the event of a positive test result, to detain that person for up to 14 days (paras. 14 and 15). A failure to comply without reasonable excuse with these requirements will constitute a criminal offence (para. 23).

As far as I can tell, none of these Schedule 21 powers has been invoked in England – they are, if you like, “plugged in” but the Health Secretary is yet to switch them on. If they were engaged, however, a person who refused to submit to a doorstep test could potentially be arrested, taken to a suitable facility, and required by law to undergo COVID-19 testing. The imagery this evokes is utterly chilling; the Coronavirus Act is like a dystopian fantasy in statutory form. There are few laws on the books that can rival it. I suspect only the Mental Health Act 1983 – which allows doctors to detain persons with mental disorders and forcibly treat them in hospital – could be said, pound for pound, to be more coercive. This raises an interesting question about why the Government believed that such a high degree of coercion was necessary in the first place. The Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, enacted with outbreaks of “notifiable” diseases like anthrax, plague and smallpox in mind, makes its powers to remove, isolate and detain infectious people contingent upon a magistrate’s warrant. What is it about COVID-19 that justified a more robust legislative response than that afforded to smallpox? Why are the liberties of a person suffering from a disease with a 30% mortality rate afforded greater protection by the law than those of a person with an illness that kills only around 1% of the people it infects? Schedule 21 reveals much about the government’s bizarre calculus as it butted the Coronavirus Bill through Parliament in those mad March days.

Sceptics Under Fire

Spectator Editor Fraser Nelson – himself a lockdown supporter – has come to the defence of sceptics in their struggle against Witch-Finder General Neil O’Brien MP in his Telegraph column this week.

Covid is distinguished by how little we still know about it, how even the greatest experts can be confounded. This time last year, experts on the SAGE committee were unanimous in advising against a Wuhan-style lockdown. China had been foolish, said its memo: it was “a near certainty” that a second peak would strike once it unlocked. This did not happen. Jonathan Van-Tam and others rubbished the need for face masks, which are now mandatory. This is not to question any of their credentials: it was a new and fast-moving situation that wrong-footed everyone. Myself very much included.

But rather than emphasise the need to be open-minded, and consider all new angles, we somehow reached a situation where faith in lockdown is complete – and those who question its efficacy are disparaged. This shift is embodied by the behaviour of Neil O’Brien, a think tank chief turned Tory MP, who over the summer started using social media to highlight claims made by critics of lockdown. He applied his forensic mind to the pursuit of errors, and started to acquire quite a following.

But this all mutated into a targeting of academics who had been effectively – and accurately – criticising aspects of lockdown. With some like-minded others, O’Brien created a website listing the offenders and their wrongthink. A new label was applied to the bloggers, journalists and professors: “Covid sceptics”.

One is Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, who balances his academic work with weekend work as an urgent care NHS doctor. When Heneghan spotted flaws in calculating Covid deaths, it led to a change in Government policy. Yet this world-class academic, who in his spare time sees elderly patients suffering from Covid, has found himself denounced.

A few months ago, Heneghan was being consulted by the Prime Minister – who wanted him to test the arguments of the (many) lockdown advocates in Government. Also invited was Sunetra Gupta, a Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Oxford and an energetic critic of lockdown. She now joins Prof Heneghan on the official list of heretics, pilloried on a website whose various sponsors include a well-regarded Tory MP tipped for promotion. It’s all very odd.

Ministers don’t appear to mind the heretic-hunting one bit. When O’Brien’s efforts were hailed as “fantastic” by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the Commons, it started to look like a semi-authorised campaign against Government critics. It can even claim to be an effective campaign, insofar as the academics in its sights do seem to have taken a lower profile.

The professors might be talking the most appalling rot – or they might come to be completely vindicated. But what matters, and what we’re losing, is the upholding of rigorous debate. The point of Parliament is to talk, hence the name. But when parliamentarians seek to close down discussion (O’Brien has said he won’t debate Heneghan so as not to give him “the publicity”), then it marks a deeply worrying turn.

Worth reading in full.

Round-up

  • “Boris Johnson ‘over-cautious’ in keeping schools shut until March 8th” – SAGE member Professor Robert Dingwall breaks ranks to tell the Telegraph: “It’s very hard to resist the conclusion that the English are being a little over-cautious this time. If you have the first three years of primary coming back immediately after half term that is not now going to create an explosive third wave.”
  • “Households should be allowed to mix again NEXT MONTH, expert says” – Another pro-reopening scientist, Professor Paul Hunter, as reported in the Sun
  • “Tomorrow will be a good day” – In the latest episode of the Telegraph‘s Planet Normal podcast Allison and Liam speak to Rod Grant, Headteacher of Clifton Hall School, who says he’s more concerned now than he’s ever been in his 30 years in the classroom about the effect the pandemic is having on children’s mental health
  • “Can we boost immunity with the vaccines we have now?” – Ross Clark in the Spectator on the new Oxford University study that is recruiting 820 volunteers to receive mixed doses of different vaccines to see if this will improve the efficacy. Question is, how can a study of 820 people achieve statistically significant results? Why are the doses only being spaced by two weeks when studies have suggested longer is better? Does the Government care?
  • “Proof the peak HAS passed: Daily deaths drop to 915 and cases to 20,634 – down 30% from last week – as all but THREE local authorities in England see Covid infections fall and pressure on NHS intensive care units finally eases” – More good news in the Mail
  • “Even with vaccines, an unreformed NHS may force us back into lockdown” – Sherelle Jacobs in the Telegraph with more cracking analysis: “The bottom line is that the NHS has broken under the weight of our expectations. Thus, further winter lockdowns remain a serious possibility”
  • “Covid and Kids: The Evidence” – The Swiss Doctor with a characteristically comprehensive and concise rundown of the facts and studies
  • “Seven indicators that show infections were falling before Lockdown 3.0” – HART member Professor David Paton in the Critic with a thorough summary of the evidence
  • “Sweden to develop ‘vaccination passports’ that allow you to travel and meet friends” – Depressing report in the Telegraph of the country that prized liberty in 2020 apparently turning its back on it in 2021
  • “Weaknesses in the Covid data” – In the latest episode of the Pandemic Podcast, Andy is joined by Emily Barley, co-founder of the Covid Data Dashboard
  • “A good citizen or a badass. How to choose” – Antonia Rolls ponders what really makes a good citizen in Covid land
  • “Why schools must open – and stay open” – Tim Black in spiked says we need to treat schools as we do hospitals and supermarkets – too important to do without
  • “Flawed democracy” – Strong leader article in Spectator Australia coming to the defence of Liberal backbencher Craig Kelly and his opposition to masks and support for Covid treatments such as HCQ and ivermectin
  • “WHO team in Wuhan sees data ‘no one has seen before’ – and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab” – Sky News update on the investigations into the virus’s origin
  • “Macron’s Lockdown Conundrum Will Decide France’s Recession Fate” – To lock down or not to lock down, that is the question, says William Horobin in Bloomberg
  • “The Cost of Lockdown” – New site cataloguing the collateral damage
  • “Israel’s rapid rollout provides the first real-world proof that COVID vaccination works as well as promised” – Despite current high infection levels, a large-scale investigation of 163,000 people finds that those not vaccinated were 11 times more likely to test positive than those vaccinated, Yahoo! News reports
  • “The impact of national non-pharmaceutical interventions (‘lockdowns’) on the presentation of cancer patients” – New peer-reviewed study in ecancer that finds an 18.2% reduction in new cancer diagnoses (987 cancers) in 2020 compared with 2019, particularly prostate (51.4%), gynaecological (29.7%), breast (29.5%) and lung (23.4%) cancers
  • “Why I refused to clap for Captain Tom” – Beverley Turner in the Mail says she finds it it impossible to view the events surrounding the centenarian’s latter days “without looking through the prism of COVID-19, the Government’s response to it and the various ways in which our country has been manipulated and controlled with no clear metrics to escaping lockdowns”
  • “The nonsense of ‘unessential work’” – Michael Curzon in Bournbrook on a very dubious distinction
  • Life has returned to normal in the Isle of Man, save for the fact that visitors from the mainland aren’t allowed

Lunchtime in the Isle of Man. pic.twitter.com/O2mZtyHyh2

— Joshua Stokes (@JoshuaStokesITV) February 3, 2021

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Boy in a bubble” by Paul Simon, “Let Us Out” by Marble Statues and “What the world is waiting for” by the Stone Roses.

Love in the Time of Covid

Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell in The Americans

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email Lockdown Sceptics here.

Sharing Stories

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you the story of Jess Krug, the white professor who posed as black for years, until she came clean last autumn. The Washingtonian has the story.

“I am a coward.” Jessica Krug’s confession started ricocheting across screens one brutally muggy afternoon in late-summer Washington. “For the better part of my adult life,” it began, “every move I’ve made, every relationship I’ve formed, has been rooted in the napalm toxic soil of lies.” Krug, a faculty member at George Washington University, had taken to Medium, the online forum, to reveal a stunning fabrication. Throughout her entire career in academia, the professor of African history – a white woman – had been posing as Black and Latina.

“I have thought about ending these lies many times over many years, but my cowardice was always more powerful than my ethics. I know right from wrong. I know history. I know power. I am a coward,” she wrote. “You should absolutely cancel me, and I absolutely cancel myself.”

The statement, posted September 3rd, 2020, went viral immediately, unleashing a tidal wave of Oh, my Gods across the text chains of Krug’s GW colleagues and other academics. “We were all blindsided,” says GW history-department chair Daniel Schwartz. Distraught emails from Krug’s students – less than a week into a virtual semester already upended by the coronavirus pandemic – began piling up in faculty in-boxes. Meanwhile, an online mob went to work churning up old photos of Krug and tanking the Amazon ratings of her book. By the end of the day, a now-infamous video of Krug calling herself “Jess La Bombalera” and speaking in a D-list imitation Bronx accent was all over the internet.

The next morning, Schwartz convened an emergency staff meeting on Zoom. The initial shock of their colleague’s revelation had quickly given way to anger, and now the GW professors who logged on were unanimous: The department should demand Krug’s resignation right away. If she refused, they’d call for the university to rescind her tenure and fire her. That afternoon, they issued their ultimatum in a public statement. Five days later, Krug quit.

It was a dizzyingly fast fall for a woman who’d been among the most promising young scholars in her field. The 38-year-old had a PhD from one of the nation’s most prestigious African-history programs. She’d been a fellow at New York’s famed Schomburg Center, done research on three continents, and garnered wide praise for her book. She’d achieved all of it, as far as her GW colleagues knew, despite an upbringing that was nothing short of tragic. As Krug told it, she’d been raised in the Bronx, in “the hood.” Her Puerto Rican mother was a drug addict and abusive.

The tale was just the latest version of one Krug had been evolving for more than 15 years, swapping varied, gruesome particulars into the made-up backstory (a rape, a paternal abandonment) for different audiences. It was a heart-tugger – and, it turns out, incredibly flimsy. Minimal online sleuthing would have unravelled any of the lies in minutes—something Krug, who was still an undergrad when Facebook debuted, surely knew. But she’d also learned that the harrowing history she’d crafted was a useful line of defence against the kind of probing that could have easily exposed her. After all, who wanted to pry into such a delicate situation?

“To everyone who trusted me, who fought for me, who vouched for me, who loved me, who is feeling shock and betrayal and rage and bone marrow deep hurt and confusion, violation in this world and beyond: I beg you, please, do not question your own judgment or doubt yourself,” Krug wrote in her confession. “You were not naive. I was audaciously deceptive.”

Worth reading in full.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland  for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.”  Further information available here.

There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who have also submitted a retraction request. UPDATE: The retraction request was rejected yesterday.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

In his Spectator column this week, Toby suspects he might not be first in line for a peerage from Boris, despite a promising start.

Watching Lord Hannan of Kingsclere being introduced in the House of Lords on Monday was a bittersweet moment. On the one hand, I’m delighted for Dan. He is one of the heroes of Brexit, and his impromptu speech about Margaret Thatcher in the pub following her memorial service brought a tear to my eye (you can find his speech on YouTube). But on the other, I can’t help thinking: where’s my bloody peerage? I’ve edited this and that, co-founded four free schools, served on the boards of numerous charities and set up the Free Speech Union. I was the chief exec of a high-profile charity, for Christ’s sake, and my immediate predecessor got a CBE. I haven’t even got a lousy MBE. All the more surprising given that I must be one of the few potential recipients who wouldn’t denounce the British Empire as soon as he pocketed the gong.

I thought my elevation to the Lords might happen when Boris became Prime Minister. Up until that point, I’d given him more tobacco enemas than any other journalist in Fleet Street. (Blown smoke up his arse.) I even wrote a 5,000-word hagiography for an Australian magazine entitled “Cometh the hour, cometh the man“. Indeed, I laid on the oil so thick in that piece I’m now worried that when I’m standing in front of St Peter at the Pearly Gates he’s going to bring it up: “You did plenty of good works, you’ve been a decent husband and father and you always gave money to beggars. But on the other hand, you did write that 5,000-word piece about Boris in which you compared him to Nietzsche’s Übermensch. Sorry mate, it’s down you go.”

It was Boris who got my hopes up. In September of 2011, when he was Mayor of London, he opened the first free school I helped set up. He made quite a good joke as he cut the ribbon. ‘The Secretary of State for Education has given a new word to the English language,’ he said, referring to our mutual friend. “We give, they gave, he Gove – he Gove us this school.”

Afterwards, as he was getting into his chauffeur-driven car, he asked me if I’d like to be in the House of Lords. “We need more people like you,” he said.

“Don’t I have to give a million quid to the Tory party first?”

“Leave it with me,” he said, touching his nose.

Problem is, then came Covid.

Given how critical I’ve been of Boris since the outbreak of the coronavirus crisis, I’ve now abandoned all hope. Bloody typical of me. I’ve been a massive Boris backer since I campaigned for him to become president of the Oxford Union in 1985; then, 35 years later, when he’s finally in a position to reward his loyal supporters, I start attacking him in the press.

It was the same story with David Cameron. We were at Brasenose together and when he was still prime minister I told him about the shock I’d received when I returned for a college reunion and Dave Ramsden – a contemporary of ours and now deputy governor of the Bank of England – let slip he’d been given a knighthood. “Come on, Prime Minister,” I said. “You’ve got to stick me in the Lords so I can one-up him at the next Brase-nose gaudy.” He laughed, but I told him I was in deadly earnest. I thought there might be a sliver of a chance until we ended up on different sides during the EU referendum. Another bridge burnt.

Worth reading in full.

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Skippy
Skippy
5 years ago

Fizzies

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

The Hydroxychloroquine coverup
https://rumble.com/vdibv5-the-hydroxychloroquine-coverup.html

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iane
iane
5 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

What, champagne at this hour?

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  iane

Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party – has been accepted by the Electoral Commission
@LozzaFox
We did it!!!!! #champagneincoming

https://electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-02/2021%20Party%20registration%20decisions-english%20version_0.pdf

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

DUP Petition SURGES With Brexiteer Support
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1yiRXoQh9A
Michael Heaver
51.2K subscribers

Petition – ‘Trigger Article 16. We want unfettered GB-NI Trade’: https://petition.parliament.uk/petiti…

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itommo
itommo
5 years ago

Mandatory Hotel quarantine for inbound travellers from red zones is another beginning that has no end. Much like lockdown, the founding logic is flawed, so there is no exit. That going on holiday from the U.K. is now illegal is astonishing; that healthy British citizens are to be incarcerated for the crime of being abroad is mind-boggling. Once again, incremental small steps, nudges and political infighting have led the U.K. to a position of apparently broad acceptance of a police state. The root of the authoritarian instincts of the British people appears to be a distrust and dislike of ‘other people’. Quarantine affects ‘other people’, especially ‘social media influencers’ who have had the audacity to go on holiday when everyone else is supposed to be suffering. Easy to identify, easy to scorn, pictures and bio readily available – perfect for Covid hysteria lazy journalism. When hotel quarantine doesn’t bring down the fallacious PCR result numbers, the list of countries will broaden, the list of dangerous mutations engorged, freedom to travel even more restricted. As before, the individual decisions all make sense if you accept the founding fallacy of a single PCR test without clinical diagnosis being the gold standard of… Read more »

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

It has earlier been reported that it is against ‘human rights’ to charge a fee for involuntary incarceration (as the CCP are said to charge the family of executed prisoners the cost of the bullet).
But the only plaintiffs allowed to bring a case into court are Sovereign States that have signed the various conventions, not the incarcerated citizen themselves.

The fine for not isolating was originally set at £500.00, about one hours fee for a top lawyer.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I thought about this. I wondered whether Portugal could be bothered. They are going to miss out massively on UK tourism; perhaps a court case might be worth something to them? I read somewhere that Portgual was only included on this list because of ‘its close links with Brazil’.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Close links. Across three thousand miles of ocean.
They speak the same language, though.Is it a particularly good one for spreading the bug?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

Doesn’t matter what facilities you provide. A jail with golden walls is still a jail. You are imprisoning innocent people without trial.That is an axe laid to the tree of justice that had been growing in this country for well over a thousand years.
The worst British government in history just got inconceivably worse. The fact that other governments are equally bad is no excuse.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Exactly. WTF is wrong with people. Gleefully orgasming that the stay in a prison was better than expected. No doubt some criminals felt the same. And this is a trial run. They can do the same in the future, again and again. And the sheeple will thank these arselings. Applaud them. Give thanks for safety etc etc. Just frigging pathetic.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The American government is just as bad.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

I think one of the most disheartening things about this piece is that the only feasible opposition in the current Two Party politics system called it “too little too late”. How can this madness ever end?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Given that Labour wanted harsher lockdowns like Spain & Belguim, its clear they couldn’t give a toss about ordinary working people so the only way this will end is with us the people.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It looking like a straight choice between an early death at the hands of the depopulators or a revolution. Neither is a pleasant prospect, though revolution at least gives the people a fighting chance.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Agree. Fight for our freedom & rights or die trying.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Providing we can get the reopening done before too many people are jabbed.

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Ovis
Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

I don’t think the appearance of consent is rooted in dislike of ‘other people.’ It is rooted in the ancien regime deference that Britain never shook, and has been cultivated over recent decades (at least since 1997) through the great vulnerability-infantilisation move: you are vulnerable; we will protect and look after you in exchange for your dependence and obedience. Add to that a well coordinated propaganda campaign and a good dollop of demonisation directed at us, and you have a total explanation. This is not divine punishment for the naughtiness in our souls. We are the victims here.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

And the victimisation has only just started.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

I see one of the zero-Covid websites is openly arguing that hotel quarantine for international travellers should be permanent.

Perhaps the real motivation isn’t actually anything to do with pandemics though: “Growing numbers of people are already choosing to limit their airplane or car travel due to these activities’ environmental effects.”

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Until the day they themselves want to get on a plane that is. You can bet your bottom dollar they’ll be checking in business or first class. It’s always the same with these types of schmucks. Rule for thee, not for me.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

Is there are term similar to “champagne socialist” for those who push elitist policies in the name of environmentalism?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Carrot juice environmentalist?

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Learjet Gretas?

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GCarty80
GCarty80
5 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

When I think of elitist environmentalism I think of some far older than Greta: Prince Charles!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Restricting travel won’t be anywhere near enough, they want us gone and the vaccines are designed to bring that about.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

It’s bonkers. I’d like to see the law that is giving authority to these security guards to forcibly detain you. What happens if a family just walks out? Do they beat people? Handcuff them? Then what…if they’ve committed a crime do they have the police called on them?
The legislation that gives authority to certain people to essentially keep you captive (Police, prison, immigration etc) is really “tight”. Its nothing like these wishy washy laws they’ve brought in so far. It has to be because otherwise they’re kidnapping you. I believe the going rate of compensation for one night of false imprisonment is around £40k.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Exactly! This is scare tactics. It is voluntary!!

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

Certainly cheaper than the offers on the table in Korea – £1000 to £1200 for 14 nights. Complete with guards in hazmat suits escorted all the way to the hotel. To me it was utterly ridiculous almost a year ago because I saw no evidence it was justified. I can’t believe it’s still going on today and being rolled out everywhere else.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

spot on – this lunacy knows no boundaries!
pretty obvious to see they bring in a policy and then extend it unilaterally – they will not lift these restrictions/preconditions for travel so we are basically imprisoned.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

And all to keep the stupidity of asymptomatic transmission going. If I arrive at the airport and get a negative LFT test I should be free to go. I have no symptoms. But because they have to keep the yes you feel okay, you tested negative but you could still spread the disease in a asymptomatic fashion going I am put into prison for two weeks. What if I catch covid in prison are you liable for this. Do I have to start again?

Why, when we are in an endemic phase are you shutting down airports? The whole world has it. We all have the same Sars virus. Any mutation wont change that, just add a few more barbs to different variants, if your immune to one the mutation won’t cause you any more grief. So why lock the stable door after the horse has not only bolted, its had its way with the two horses in the next field and won the 3:40 at Kempton. Was a good idea in December, unfortunately that was December 2019.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

The virus is the pretext for the police state they want to usher in

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

You must have been listening to David Icke.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

It wasn’t a good idea in Dec 2019 either. The long planned Covid event isn’t about fighting a virus and never has been. It is about war by governments on their own peoples. The UK government is a particularly egregious example and it has played an essential part in fathering the worldwide Covid scam.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Hear hear

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TheBigman
TheBigman
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

It’s only the beginning. In the end people will beg for their own enslavement.

Food production (particularly meat) and cars are next.

All the covid zealots are just using it to push their agendas. UN Agenda 2030 etc

Unfortunately only blood being spilled is the last resort for liberty to return as it has done historically.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

As all our institutions are complicit in this coup it is looking like only a revolution can end it.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Down downvote debate with me

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Can’t argue with thoughts on revolution. It’s become hard to see any other way out of this epic mess.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

Yes there was an article recently that meat, cheese and diary products would have higher taxes because they contribute to the carbon. You can see where this is all leading! No travel, no meat/diary, no cars – slaves to the system with no leisure and pleasure and you will be happy!

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

………and own nothing!

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

The Canadian story about UBI and debt cancellation against the confiscation of all your property looks more and more credible.
Its other forecasts have already come true, next up is another, surprise, lockdown after the reopening due to further mutations.
I am now hesitantly coming around to believing in the lizard or cockroach story as well….

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

We all know that the unpublicised small print of all these regulations will exempt politicians, senior civil servants, and that anyone else in receipt of the necessary dispensation from a properly authorised body will not be expected to quarantine. (It was about 4 months ago that this double standard came to light when Tony Blair found himself trying to claim that a trip to a junket in the US constituted a suitable reason for not having to self-isolate for 2 weeks on his return. Until then, the public had been led to believe that the rules would be applied universally.).https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/18/tony-blair-asked-health-secretary-covid-rules-us-visit/

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
5 years ago
Reply to  itommo

Completely unenforceable. Do not be gaslit!

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

The government has announced that it has provided vaccinations to all care homes. Yet the number of care home deaths has dramatically increased and so has the number attributed to Covid 19. Care home deaths are now at the highest since May 2020, when a policy of making space in hospitals had had lethal consequences. Doubtless, the lockdownistas will dismiss the obvious correlation as mere coincidence and condemn anyone who suggests otherwise as being guilty of dangerous disinformation. Yet the authorities in country after country have decided against vaccinating those who are sixty-five and over: the category most at risk from the virus. Are those authorities also guilty of dangerous disinformation?

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s convenient for ‘those authorities’ to be able to observe the experiment being conducted in a fourth-world hell-hole where old people can be isolated,bullied, tortured and killed ad lib because they are on a par with lab rats.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

My Mum who is 80 has refuse do the vaccine twice. The problem is she’s in the early stages of Alzheimer’s so the GPs surgery won’t take no for an answer although in my opinion she still has capacity. Her reasons for refusing are because of the experimental nature of the vaccine and possible side effects. The surgery has now contacted my Dad and are sending a nurse to their home to try and coerce her. My Mum is unaware of this and I feel it’s all very underhand. It will hardly be informed consent if she does agree as she’s profoundly deaf so communication with anyone she doesn’t know is extremely difficult.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Tricky. They are sending round a nurse….sinister.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Yes it’s only one small step from the mental health act being used to enforce compliance.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Nurse Ratchet.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Get the name, job title and RCN number of any nurse they send round. Point out coerced vaccination is not consent.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Good advice.
Get it all in writing.

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hilarynw
hilarynw
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

This appears to be abuse. The fact that your Mum can give valid reasons for refusing the vaccine would appear to me enough evidence that she is quite mentally alert enough to be able to refuse. This seems about as far as caring and protecting our elderly as I can imagine.

I sometimes wonder what my parents who both gave many years in the army during World War II would think of all this. They might well have wondered if it was all worth it.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

It is more than underhand, it’s illegal.

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optocarol
optocarol
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

You don’t have to let the nurse in.
Not in UK, so this may not be quite the same there, but here if a person has an activated Power of Attorney for health, they make the decision. e.g. I make it for husband in care with dementia. Otherwise, the person concerned still has this capacity and he/she makes it.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

The problem is my Dad will let the nurse in as he thinks my Mum should have the vaccine. I live over three hours drive away and although I have POA alongside with my Dad we can make decisions jointly and independently.

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optocarol
optocarol
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Yes, I realised afterwards you might not be nearby, so not practical.

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optocarol
optocarol
5 years ago
Reply to  optocarol

PS So, is there a process if holders of PoA disagree? I suspect it could be long and tedious if there is.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

All true, but it’s not just the oldies.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The authorities are guilty of murder.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The question is though…is this unusual or is just a normal winter? I need to see other lines on the graph with how many people normally die in care homes each season. None of them are ever coming out of there alive are they? They’ve reached a stage in life where they can no longer live at home or with family so life expectancy is only a couple of years anyway.
I fear we’re just as bad as the covidians trying to attribute all the expected deaths of elderly/vulnerable people to covid if we just start doing the same to “deaths within 28 days of the vaccine are vaccine deaths”.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

We need to see data from care homes across Europe to make this determination. Particularly Northern Europe. If their rates are also high, despite not vaccinating, then you have a stronger case for seasonal mortality being the culprit. It HAS been cold these past weeks.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

It has been cold…but then they’re not allowed out are they? That’d defo be a useful comparison to make.
I would imagine that the deaths attributable to actual vaccination are fewer than the deaths actually FROM covid and we know thats actually a small fraction of the phoney 100k claim.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

I think the point is should we not be discussing this? If this was pure just winter deaths why did it not start in December? 22 old people in the same care home die after the jab, ahh shame, nothing to see here. There is no discussion about this and its being hidden. You cannot get the data, does that not make you suspicious?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

It’s fishier than Captain Birdseye.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Of course we should be. But shouldn’t we be treating it with the same level of skepticism as we treat other data? We know only too well from the select stats that the Gov and media produce that it’s not the whole picture.
There’s tonnes of data on care home deaths in previous years from the ONS so it is available to compare: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinthecaresectorenglandandwales/2019
Show me that 2020-1 is an anomaly and then I’ll believe it.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Delete

care-home-deaths.jpg
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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

You have to look at the shape of the curve. Steady trend then inflection point and sudden very steep gradient rise. That just doesn’t happen in the normal run of seasonal viral diseases. Either it’s an artifact or some event caused a radical change or both. Vaccination seems the obvious one. Others (e.g. Xmas) would be unlikely to cause such a sharp uptick. Delayed reporting might cause it but still looks like vax to me.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Interesting and very telling!

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unintended_consequences
unintended_consequences
5 years ago

While I don’t agree with the plans to bring in mandatory hotel quarantine in the UK, I did an even harsher one on arrival in Singapore for my work: 15 days, no guards required as you cannot leave the room.. your keycard only works once & as a non-resident you can be deported for breaking rules.

Bizarrely, I actually found it quite freeing! Granted it was made easier because there was always an end in sight, unlike the UK’s restrictions. Welcome to have a look here if you want a slightly different take on freedom in quarantine. https://africantime.medium.com/how-i-found-freedom-in-two-weeks-of-singapores-mandatory-quarantine-2db5de17638c

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  unintended_consequences

WTF would anyone be pleased about being locked in a closet?

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  unintended_consequences

“changing approaches to freedom” has to be one of the weaseliest phrases!

Hotel quarantine is solitary confinement. It’s damaging even after only a few days. It’s immoral and unconstitutional.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  unintended_consequences

You weren’t in Room 101 were you? Do you love Big Brother now?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  unintended_consequences

Great, I definitely feel better now

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  unintended_consequences

Singapore has been an authoritarian dystopia for decades.

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago

Am I reading this correctly?

Nearly all the newspaper headlines this morning are suggesting there will be an earlier than expected lifting of restrictions, with a move to something like the old normal in May.

This is clearly the message they have been asked to distribute, so I am expecting there will be a formal announcement shortly.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Sure you aren’t dreaming?
Even if you’re not, May is a bloody long way off. I want my freedom now.
Still, if the zombies even begin to dream of regaining a smidgeon of humanity, it’s all to the good.

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Teddy Edward
Teddy Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

When I think about it freedoms were never granted mostly fought for.I don’t recall a lot of fighting over the years for mine.It’s all a grand illusion I only ever had permissions lulled and beguiled by the idiot box in the corner.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

A bit of inducement for numbskulls to stay the course and nearer the time new variants will again become legion.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Need some sort of carrot to keep the donkey moving.Meanwhile another block in the totalitarian structure the government are building gets slotted in,the hotel quarantine system.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

it’s obvious what’s going to happen, isn’t it: all those hotels left empty after the collapse of the hospitality industry will be requisitioned as permanent gulags to house people like us: dissidents and those who the massive brainwashing campaign left untouched. – if you have any opportunity to get out of this country – GO!!

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Teddy Edward
Teddy Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Well hope they have plenty of capacity.Not everyone has succumbed to the child like propoganda.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Where are you going to go.This is worldwide.You may as well make your stand in familiar territory

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

I want the bridal suite.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Exactly. This is the push/pull manipulation (staple tactic of sociopath abusers) at play. North Korea does this a lot too. It helps break down many resistors’ will (not all, though). Meanwhile, another brick in that totalitarian structure gets laid: ‘sure, we can incarcerate you, assault you (tests), silence you, fine you, cancel you….’

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

But if we all come together there is nothing the authorities can do.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

But they will lose in the end.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

“something like the old normal in May”

They have moved the goalposts so many times that this is just a nice carrot which will turn out to be a stick in time…

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

Indeed. We’re dealing with Wile E Coyote logic here, the ‘old normal’ is merely a mirage on the wall for us to slam our faces into.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

Correct! The light at the end of the tunnel is not the end of the tunnel, but a great big express train coming down the tracks.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

Meep! Meep!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

A stick in time saves nine.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

The problem will turn out be those selfish people who refuse to be vaccinated, so the return to normal cannot proceed. Their way of turning up the heat on those who haven’t bought their Covid nonsense.

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stevie
stevie
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Local elections in early May bring your own pen and wear a mask so not quite the old normal then.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  stevie

Oooh let’s all go out and buy one of those huge person sized pens. Be so funny standing outside the booth drawing your X.

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J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  stevie

It is certain the lifting of restrictions are connected to the local elections. They need the elections to go ahead to validate themselves as democratic. Doesn’t matter who wins, we still lose.

Best thing to do is spoil your paper with a well-written rebuke of the opposition-free political stranglehold which describes itself as ‘free’.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

There does seem to be a bit of a narrative shift. However once bitten…. Three weeks to flatten the sombrero, all done by spring, just two more weeks, firebreaks, just another month, eat out to help out, mutant strain, a month to break the virus, all over by Christmas, five days for Christmas, lockdown for Christmas, one day for Christmas, a month to break the virus, lockdown to Feb, lockdown to Summer!!!
I trust everything this government says, so reliable. Especially zero covid! Mmmm that’s new.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Biden has cured the virus. We can all rejoice now that the incompetent Trump, responsible for the virus rampage, has been cleansed, and now Biden has everything in hand. Ct to Zero! Then the pseudo epidemic disappears.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

If everyone has to quarantine then how does that square with G7 shindig in Cornwall. People will see the hypocrisy. All to quarantine in solitary or at least self isolate except for Macron, Merkel Biden etc and their entourages who can swan in and swan out.

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Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Well let’s see what happens when we get to May after all how many times have we been through this scenario in the last year!

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stevie119
stevie119
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I did notice on the tellybox news last night there was an absence of death-porn and a generally more up beat, positive tone.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  stevie119

All part of the plan.

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SilentP
SilentP
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Some somewhat sceptical replies! The reason I posted this is the point that SpikeDee1 picked up:

“There does seem to be a bit of a narrative shift”

That is of interest. The fact that so many of the newspapers had a similar message means that it has been leaked to them.

The one thing that you can consistently trust with the messaging is that when a new angle is emerging, it will be broadcast across then the MSM prior to an official announcement

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

It’s like that in the free Metro rag, which I pick up on Fridays mainly for the football preview. Some SAGE character, Prof Andrew Hayward, is sounding the optimistic note. Actually I still think all SAGE members should keep their mouths shut – their job is to advise the government, not to cajole the public one way or another. As you say, the message seems to be that things will get back to normal, but it’s all being attributed to the “success” of vaccination, even though actual evidence of that success is questionable. Could it just be a bit of nudging to encourage take-up of the “vaccine”?

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Edward

Perhaps SAGE members are encouraged to make the noises that the government actually wants to hear. The evidence for the success of the vaccination programme isn’t just questionable though, it’s non-existent, as of course is the the reporting of vaccine adverse events, which the MHRA doesn’t think is in the public interest. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

This is one for the science bods, its heavy reading, so I can’t offer a concise summary.

Molecular recognition in the infection, replication, and transmission of COVID-19-causing SARS-CoV-2: an emerging interface of infectious disease, biological chemistry, and nanoscience

What caught my attention to this was the term “nano science” the naturalist in me instinctively recoils from such technology, the reluctant conspiracy theorist in me finds it alarming.

“In such studies, fluorescence probes and energy donors can be selected from among organic dyes, fluorescent proteins, or brilliantly luminescent semiconductor quantum dots.”

The libertarian in me asserts I don’t want nano technology in me! I’m sure a ‘scientist’ reading this can offer a corporate reassuring interpretation for this paper.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Rare ‘COVID arm’ side-effect leaves people with huge, itchy, red ‘bullseye’ and hives after getting Moderna shot – but doctors say ‘annoying’ splotch leaves you armless is harmless

I wonder if they will do any research on the carcinogenic side benefits effects in 10-20 years? Not to worry i’m sure big pharma will develop new cancer fighting chemicals drugs to cure treat them if there are any.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

The dictatorship is organising parties in hotels . Don’t be too surprised if nobody turns up

They would have been better off hiring telephone boxes

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Louis IX of France bunged opponents in cells in which they could neither stand, sit or lie down.
They stayed really, really safe. Or rather, he did.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

You don’t have to go back that far for examples. The SS installed similar”standing cells” in the Punishment Block at Auschwitz.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I wonder if people will be able to sneak out. In Canada there was a case where someone booked themselves an Uber, and was able to just walk out. Because the staff do not have the authority to actually physically detain them, they couldn’t do anything. I suspect this is not the case in the UK or most countries though, where physical detainment (despite a deadly disease that kills on instant contact don’t you know) is not only possible but encouraged. Those valiant guards will be sacrificing themselves in droves to prevent escapees. Brave, brave souls. I expect many obituaries.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

Quarantine? It’s prison.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

A trial run. Great Green Fascist reset is coming. ‘Guilt free’ energy usage according to Doris and Princess Nut Nut.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

A windmill in every home.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

A prison you have to pay to stay in.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Anyone know what happens if you refuse to pay? I’m guessing you just get the bill anyway and threat of imprisonment if you don’t pay it?

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

I’d not be surprised if they just whack the cost on your tax code. They have the tech to do it in a heartbeat.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

The “fines” are not legal.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago

Whilst browsing through the comments section yesterday, I stumbled upon an astute observation by one poster who highlighted that wealthy Western nations such as the UK have the “luxury” of being able to lock down. They rightly pointed out that developing nations have more or less been forced to scale back their restrictions, because governments quickly found that going without food is a greater risk to public health than that posed by Covid-19. In this country we currently have millions of comfortable retirees, professionals paid to work from home and many more in suspended unemployment being propped up by the eye-watering monthly sums doled out by the furlough scheme. These people have no real fear of lockdowns aside from the inconvenience of not being able to go to the pub or book a four-star getaway in the Med. A considerable number of them even bark for longer, tougher restrictions, knowing that they will have to sacrifice little from their places on the lifeboats whilst the less fortunate thrash around in the chilly waters beneath them. Little do they know, every boat is taking on water, some more quickly than others – it’s just not enough of a concern until they… Read more »

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

So well said. Your posts are always so articulate and engaging.

Lockdown is a luxury for the wealthy middle-class. As I noted on here a while ago, Johnson once said that ‘One person’s cough is another person’s death knell’.

Well, one person’s champagne lockdown with Amazon and Deliveroo, Zoom meetings, WFH, home workouts is another person’s ruined business, destroyed education, deteriorating mental/physical health, devastating suicide.

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

You are an extremely astute woman poppy. I really hope that you manage to make it through this mess and enjoy the university life and subsequent success you deserve.

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Poppy
Poppy
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

Thank you for your nice comment 🙂 A lot of people my age whom I know are sliding into hopeless depression and thinking ‘What’s the point’ because they can’t do any of the things that young people should be able to do.

It is bitterly unfair and deeply saddening but ‘the point’ is that our generation is the future – we will soon be running the institutions (if they still remain in any recognisable form after this) and we have to draw upon the privations we suffer now to ensure that this never, ever happens again and that those responsible for this get their reckoning. It is impossible to say now when this will be, but I am sure that opportunities will arise in the future and it is our job to seize them when they do.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Interesting that Toby et al. won the Cambridge Uni debate.

If your generation can learn the lessons of this shitshow, then some good at least will have come of it. Then you can hold the fort of reason for the next generation coming along after – the small children of today.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I hope, Poppy, that when you and yours are running things, you will remember and say “never again”. All power to you.

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davews
davews
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Many of us think the same Poppy because they can’t do any of the things OLD people should be able to do.

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AshesThanDust
AshesThanDust
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I do hope you will consider going into politics eventually. You have an independent and clear mind, can express yourself clearly, and are brave enough to stand up for what you deem to be right. People like you are desperately needed in our politics.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

It terrible what these evil psychopaths have done to the lives of young people. However I find this hard to say but given the total dystopia we are in now, I think, in a pretty cynical way that this is almost a good thing.

Something has to happen to counter the situation we are in now which is largely driven by people’s very misplaced blind faith in the state, in Government. Only the very brainwashed and blinkered will be able to carry on thinking that corona bollocks was a good idea.

All this has been allowed to happen by the sleeping sheeple but now everybody is getting a huge kick up the botty, a punch in the face, a knock to the ground and a boot on their faces. Courtesy of our benevolent Government.

Soon hopefully the masses will literally WAKE UP from their soma coma and take back control.

Young people of yesteryear are now the bastards running this shit show and they were seduced into blind faith in the system as they had never been affected by it’s intrinsic EVIL before.

Things are 180 degrees different now, across the board. People have been universally royally crapped on.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

that’s the spirit, rise up and wrench your future back from this evil cabal of geriatric bastards who are trying to steal it from you.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Lockdown also has little economic burden on the retired and those who live their lives on benefits (recent claimants due to lockdown excepted).

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John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My retired neighbours may not be affected financially and are comfortable. However, they rarely leave their house and are getting bored. I fear for their mental health.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  John

Precisely. I’m retired and so “safe” financially etc thankfully. I leave the house whenever I decide I will personally – but right now (in severe level of Lockdown and not having a car) what that means is 2 shopping trips a week and that’s it basically until the weather gets good enough to go for walks again (yep – Southern English person living in West Wales – so I wait for decent weather to go for walks LOL). That is not my definition of A Life – so yep….bored out of my mind and wanting some company.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Where us West Wakes?I could show you lots of walks down my way that aren’t muddy.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Cardigan – I have the feeling you’re in/near Tenby – so a bit away from me.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  John

The remedy is in their own poor stupid brains.

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SimonCook
SimonCook
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Scott, Poppy

Thank you both for your thoughtful and eloquent posts this morning.

Living & working in the affluent home counties, I would also say that the people I and my wife have personally come into contact with who seem the most oblivious to the carnage either have no children, children at private school or those within the academic circles of Oxford (with whom my job sometimes brings me into contact with).

https://collateralglobal.org/about – are doing a good job of collating stories that are in the MSM (one would like to think the evidence for a future trial!)

https://twitter.com/collateralglbl

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

Being retired doesn’t make us immune from the pain of others. I’m so angry not only for the crushing of our own dreams but for those who have to try and make a living and to bring up their families in this fkin hell hole. Having ones life put on hold when you haven’t got much time left frankly fills me with murderous rage.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I’m actually getting sick of suggestions that older people are not as affected by the lockdown restrictions. At the moment I’m just about hanging onto a job and if I lose that I will be forced into poverty. Most of my dreams for this year such as furthering my art career and climbing Snowden and Ben Nevis have been crushed. I’ve had art exhibitions cancelled or postponed and my life is now unrecognisable to what it was 12 months ago. Unlike many people in my age group I have no interest in Saga cruises or similar holidays. Camping and staying in remote mountain bothies is my idea of an adventure but clearly the government wants me to be so unfit and unhealthy that I can no longer do this.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Me too!

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Woden
Woden
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

The term pensioner, applied to every older person however active, creative and energetic drives me nuts. a while ago a round the world yachtsman of 80 plus years was described in the press as a … bloody pensioner!

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Woden

I find the term pensioner offensive and ‘senior’ is just as bad. When I left my job in the NHS I had another job to go to but because I’d reached a certain age people kept insisting I was retiring. Funny how I now work more hours than n my new job than in my previous one.

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Hi Fiery, I honestly don’t think that people (including me) are lumping all the elderly in together. I have posted on this subject but I hope I’ve been clear that the people I’m talking about are the comfortably pensioned. Unfortunately people in this category form a majority of ‘middle England’ opinion and a lot of them are very vocal. I am very aware that there are many other elderly people living in poverty, trying to exist on a state pension and little else or even working well into older age.

We noticed a new food bank has just opened in the High Peak.

Although old, we share your tastes in activities. We were meant to do the Coast-to-Coast walk last year, camping. We deferred it to this year but do not expect it to happen. We are now planning a cycle-wild-camping trip when the weather improves, staying away from official campsites and getting away as far as possible from the shite. Good luck to you. MW

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Woden
Woden
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

This age specific comfortably of sod everyone else more restrictions please annoys me. We are comfortably off , good pensions etc, nice house n garden etc, but we are both v. working class and have been on board with the sceptical since early 2020. One size does not fit all and we are livid at what is going on and do our best to transgress..

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

of course everyone alive today is affected, and even for the 99 year old in the care home it is an outrageous cruelty that they should be left to die in solitary confinement, but you have to feel more sorry for the younger people, in the same way as you feel more sorry for younger people who die. at least we had some life before this happened to us – they never will now. I look at my 15 month old great nephew (on fucking zoom of course) who is so full of joy, such a picture of light and innocence and purity, and who does not yet have an inkling of the shithole he had the misfortune to be born into, and my heart breaks for him

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Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

“Lockdown is a luxury for the wealthy middle-class. ” It is certainly made easier for them, for sure. I am one of those fortunate people. But aside from my own personal feelings about lockdown, it is wrecking the lives of my wife and daughters – as long as that is true I cannot be happy. What baffles me about those who support lockdown is do they not have children, parents, brothers, sisters, grandchildren who are affected badly by lockdown, even if they are not? They pretend to be virtuous but they are actually selfish.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Thank you Poppy. That’s high praise indeed from somebody who has illuminated these boards with wonderfully passionate and emotive posts for a good while now! I hope you and your dear boyfriend are managing to cope in this truly dreadful climate, I’m thinking of you both.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Well put Poppy. Unless people wake up and realise that this shit show won’t be over.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

This.
It’s Bertolt Brecht’s poem becoming reality again.
‘Only the most stupid calves chose (and cheer on) their own butcher.’

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

absolutely, and not everyone lives in a comfortable, spacious home with a lovely garden, and a loving family. Far too many live in complete ratholes, dirty, unsanitary, unlovely, no garden, with appalling neighbours and a dysfunctional family, that’s if they’re not in solitary confinement

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

When I told my mother, wealthy and retired, that the road was shut because of flooding and it made the traffic a nightmare, she asked how this could be, in lockdown. I had to tell her that people can’t afford lockdown because they need to eat. Whether it struck home god only knows but my mother is not someone who lives in an ivory tower and has worked bloody hard all her life so, hopefully, the penny dropped.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

my mother, who I live with, is 80 and gets her information from me and the msm. on the whole, she seems pretty based, considering, but occasionally she will say something that reveals just how much she still doesn’t get it. so when I told her my daughter, 200 miles away was almost in tears because there’s no way she can get here for a visit (neither she nor I can drive – I last saw her in August 2019) she kindly offered herself: ‘she could just say her grandma’s on her death bed’ – I had to point out that it’s actually illegal to travel 200 miles for a final visit to a dying loved one, that’s not considered an ‘essential journey’ and nowadays, unless you are a member of some privileged class who the rules don’t apply to, that could get you banged up.

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primesinister
primesinister
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

My mums 84 and i used to visit once a week ive seen her twice since march 2020, its only 120miles round trip ,i broke lockdown 3 weeks ago early sunday morning attempting to go see her but hit a dead dear on the A35 wrote off my car and fractured my spine and chest bone .Maybe i will not see her alive again but I pray i will.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  primesinister

Wishing you a speedy recovery from you’re injuries and I hope you get to see your Mum in the near future.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Soon the whole grisly crime scene will be exposed. It will be impossible to avoid it. Well put. My hunch is that once the restrictions (or at least a good deal of them) are lifted (and they will have to be) and the damage is apparent out in the open, then the pendulum of opinion will swing violently in the other direction – helped along by the dying MSM which is no longer being paid to promote government propaganda, and is therefore all the more dependent on sales and clicks just to prolong their existence. Sure, a lot of the zombies will never accept how they have been duped; but a lot of people will, and will be feeling pain – a great deal of pain – and will be wanting retribution. The continuing shitshow delays this moment of reckoning, but can’t actually prevent it. None of us have a crystal ball of course, but that’s my view of where this is going. Sometimes I seriously wonder whether Parliament itself will survive this. A huge political reset is already baked in the pie I would think. And that’s assuming there are no long-term effects from the vaccines – in my… Read more »

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SimonCook
SimonCook
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Good morning TJN,

I think your point about the MSM is very astute.

As has been highlighted on this board numerous times before, the Government advertising spend throughout this whole debacle has far outweighed that of commercial businesses (who unsurprisingly reduced theirs).

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

UK advertisers pulled more than £1.1bn spend during Covid lockdown
Government has become UK’s biggest advertiser during coronavirus crisis, figures show

PHE has become the UK’s biggest advertiser during the coronavirus period and spent almost 50% more than the next largest, Unilever, the maker of household products from Dove and Persil to Marmite.
“Public Health England ran an effective campaign to encourage lockdown compliance and raise awareness of best health practices, and its incredible increase in spend reflects the importance of advertising as a communication platform for any public or private body,” Farmer said.
Separately, the government also spent a further £15m on other ad campaigns, enough to make it the sixth biggest advertiser excluding PHE, while the Scottish government increased spend by more than 500% to £6.3m.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/04/uk-advertisers-spend-covid-lockdown-coronavirus

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

Yes, indeed. This is one aspect of the shitshow which hasn’t received enough attention.

And of course the government holds the threat of licence fee adjustments over the BBC – which we may be sure they are leveraging to maximum effect.

But this manipulation of the media can’t go on indefinitely.

Edit: And I should have added that it’s almost a cliche to say that in a recession about the first thing companies cut back on is advertising. Presumably the same can be said of governments with massive over-spending problems. Doesn’t look good for the MSM.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Soros and Gates have very deep pockets and their tentacles are spread across the globe.

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Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

It is all paid out of the emergency loans the (private for-profit) Bank of England has generously granted the government to help cover the emergency. The BoE gets probably 0.1% interest on say £250 billion, created by entering the appropiate numbers in a digital ledger. That interest is to be paid by the tax payers, ie anyone left with a job and anyone buying goods/services. What a scam, getting the marks to pay for their own incarceration!

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Hughie
Hughie
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

This is utterly mind-boggling. Having had my business completely destroyed and now owing a large amount of tax from the last good year, seeing them piss this staggering sum on propaganda is just insulting. Why would I ever trust them with my tax contribution in future? This kind of this really crushes morale.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hughie

It should raise your morale. Even the zombies obviously can’t be kept in line unless they are continually bludgeoned with propaganda.They could swing over to the other side any time. Look at the way the Soviet bloc collapsed. If you turn your people into sheep, you can hardly be surprised if they run away bleating when it’s your own regime that is threatened.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Hughie

it’s far worse than that. your taxes are going on murdering your fellow citizens, wiping out your country ready for whatever they’re planning to ‘build back better’

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

But, as was revealed at an early stage of this debacle, PHE is due to be abolished for being shit-show. Therefore, when its huge propaganda expenditure is eventually acknowledged, the Government will be quick to claim that they’ve now dealt with the problem!

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popo says
popo says
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

‘Romanian’ or ‘Czech’? […Revolution, that is]

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  popo says

I’m all for Revolution!

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  popo says

I’m all for Romanian revolution with firing squads at the end of it, although I could see an argument for using oubliettes for the guilty.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

What good is Parliament? what good are MPs or even our local councils? It’s all a sham. If only we could galvanize the populace into believing WE can make a change if we all stick together.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

What good is Parliament? 

That’s the question that really frightens me in all this. Honestly, and has for since last spring. That’s the real guts of it. To ask that question is to stare into an abyss.

I see no sure footing on which we can move forwards as a society other than government through Parliament, or at least a parliament.

And yet when you look at it, What good is Parliament? 

The best we can hope for is that the trouble with Parliament is 90% of the MPs there. Which leads to a whole load of other awkward questions – although conceivably answerable questions, if we as a society are prepared to ask them.

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richardw53
richardw53
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

The problem is the party system as it stands today. It effectively controls who can stand for parliament and their behaviour. I have never been a supporter of PR as I felt the benefit to stable government from a party system with first past the post was worth it, but maybe PR would be one way of exposing parties to real competition from smaller parties and independents.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  richardw53

I want Parliament to regain itself. But how?? I’m sure you’re in large part correct in blaming the party system and their effectively controlling who stands for Parliament – leading to the nonentities we see in the Commons today. Maybe if the choice was put more in the hands of local party associations (as I understand it used to be) things would be better. I feel the same as you about PR, but even after what we’ve seen I don’t think I could support it. But you are surely correct to suggest it may be a way of exposing the main parties to proper competition. Then again, the Farage Brexit Party finally woke up the Conservatives after the 2019 European elections, and forced them to face up to their promises. I can see the same thing happening again. In particular, the Farage and Fox parties have the potential to split the Conservative vote and drive them out. But it may well be that the current shitshow has fatally and permanently undermined the Conservative vote base. The local elections in May will tell us a lot more. Right now, it’s difficult to see how we get through this. As an absolute… Read more »

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

“and will be wanting retribution. The continuing shitshow delays this moment of reckoning, but can’t actually prevent it.”

Yes. I have already decided that when the canvassing for the next GE starts I will be sure to be emailing any current MPs in my constituency standing for re-election to tell them that I will not be voting or them because they handed power over to government, then failed to make any meaningful attempt to take that power back and finally they have failed to hold government to account for any of this. They haven’t even whined about not voting on the ramping up of fines.

To those that will be standing for election for the first time for one of the main parties I will be telling them that they do not have my vote because they are representing one of those main parties.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

again I really really hope I’m wrong, but i think by 2024 we and everyone we know will either be dead or in the gulag – we do not have time to wait until 2024

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I really really hope you are right and I am wrong, but I think it will be a case of too little too late. we are already f****d.

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TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

The next few weeks will tell. At the very least, we should get a strong sense of the drift of events.

I’m hopeful. The storm of criticism against sceptics appears to be burning out. There’s an increasing mood that the restrictions have gone on long enough. There’s rioting on the Continent. We’ll see. I’ve been wrong before.

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MFvH
MFvH
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I am retired and financially ok, however I have been vehemently opposed to lockdowns since March.

This has nothing to do with my personal situation, more about the massive harm it does across the whole population.

I am of the opinion that lockdown affects everyone, maybe not to the same degree, but it does.

And as lockdowns don’t change the outcome I am against these.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
5 years ago
Reply to  MFvH

I haven’t missed an hour of work since March, in fact my family’s businesses have done very well out of the pandemic (convenience stores) and yet like yourself, I am apoplectic at the continued socioeconomic vandalism being inflicted on the population by these fascist oppressors and their cheerleaders.

The problem is, too many people in this country only care about themselves. The continued support for lockdown even today is all the proof you need.

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popo says
popo says
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Plank of the Week?

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alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Mike Graham was awful yesterday accepting everything that Dr Laurence Buckman chair of the BMJ GP’s committee was saying about the virus. He said that hospitals were overwhelmed with virus patients which is not true. Hospitals are in a chaotic state at the moment because of staff absences for one reason or another. Only 60% patients with virus at the moment either community or hospital acquired. This confirmed right by two family members who are doctors and a GP I know. Their advice, steer clear of hospitals at the moment because you will come out with the virus. If you can possibly be treated at home that is the best option.

And then talkRADIO has the endless propaganda adverts…Can you look…in the eye. Grrrrr!

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I stopped listening to TalkRadio a few weeks ago now. I find the only to enjoy their content is to listen to bits and pieces on Youtube, but it could be much worse. I still listen to LBC for about 5-10 minutes in the morning, and almost every day it’s like listening to a circus of pointless discussions and ‘experts’ saying things like ‘we can see the lockdown is working now’ or ‘masks are proving to be quite effective in stopping transmission’ without any rebuttal or counterpoint by the presenter.

You’re better off spending your time listening to intelligent discussions and useful information. For example take any video with Nick Hudson from PANDA and you’ll be in a better mood by the end of it.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Absolutely. The other big “luxury” we have is that we are privileged to be living to old age! Even though many people have lifestyles that have given them heart disease/diabetes II/poor respiratory function/obesity etc.

These are the VAST majority of people being picked off by covid. In developing countries you either die younger or if you live to be older you are likely to be fit & healthy. So they simply don’t have a curve to flatten.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Well said. As I’ve always thought, these lockdownistas will be affected one way or another. Economic Armageddon for one – they won’t be able to escape that not with rising taxes or especially when their savings and pensions lose their value. Those in the public sector won’t be able to escape redundancy either, there will be a delayed reaction but you can bet that cuts will start to bite beginning this year. Plus heaven forbid, when they or a loved one succumbs to an illness like cancer and their beloved NHS puts them at number 1,000,000 on the list and they won’t be seen until 2023! That said when it comes to developing countries, the biggest cheerleaders for lockdown and restrictions aren’t just the pampered expats but even the well cushioned rich & middle class locals. On my Arsebook feed, I can’t find anyone from my original country who’s against lockdowns because they’re all either rich/middle class or are teachers who are still being paid even though schools are shut. I’ve had to cut off my family for the time being due to their holier than thou posts and the bullying of me and Mr Bart to stay at home… Read more »

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Yes. A very important point. We are cushioned for some considerable time but not forever. The Paraguay article pointed this out. They simply had to abandon lockdown apart from for show purposes as the econony is simple and hand to mouth. They would have starved. South Africa and other African countries likewise. When we have pissed away our centuries accumulated riches and infrastructure we will have to join them. And China looks on and waits…

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

And too many bureaucrats, quangos and hangers on.

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Current technology has made lockdown bearable. If so called non essential shops are shut you can buy online or use supermarkets as they now sell so many non food items. For instance, if your kettle broke, you can easily get in in a supermarket rather than an electrical shop. If people can’t meet family and friends they can use zoom or skype. If you don’t want to cook at home but can’t eat out, you can get a takeaway and there are apps available to do orders. Technology enables people to work from home which saves on commuting costs. If you are on furlough, you get 80% of your salary but no commuting costs. With so many businesses closed there are less places to spend your money. If you work from home, only shop online or at supermarkets, you don’t see the economic devestation of lockdown. When I go to my high street, I see closed shops. Lockdowns are going to hit a lot of people eventually. How many people are prepared to tolerate never being able to travel abroad again. Sooner or later all of us are going to need medical care. How will people react when the health… Read more »

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

These ‘scientists’ fucking about with doses, timings, mixing-and-matching vaccines remind me of this guy.

https://twitter.com/TheFastShow1/status/1093415438938185729?s=20

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

What sort of person is going to volunteer to take a mix of vaccines that are already experimental and which were never designed to be so mixed.
The science behind it amounts to no more than ‘let’s give it a bash and see what happens’.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yep. Really shows how fanatical people have become about the jabs.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

What sort of person? Look around you the next time you go to a supermarket or High street. The braindead are all around us wearing their masks in the car parks, driving their cars or walking in the street.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I am done with mankind.
Whatever bad happens, it fully deserves its fate.
Particularly Gens Y and Z.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This was exactly my view on it yesterday: This is tantamount to medical experimentation without informed consent.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Time for Nuremberg 2.0. Start a worldwide petition.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The science behind the vaccines is being ignored.Professor Dolores Cahill: Why People Will Start Dying A Few Months After The First mRNA Vaccination: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/sfK2lFUVeYySRqH

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

I wouldn’t say it’s science or fact, yet, but definetely a risk.
For some it might be worth taking, for most surely not.
It’s definetely reckless and irresponsible to suggest that and act like that risk doesn’t exist.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

yes, and if you’re killed or injured on the way, jolly good job we thought about getting that civil immunity, wasn’t it!

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primesinister
primesinister
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

PIC N MIX

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Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It is bonkers. Have these people never heard of avoiding too many moving parts?

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

It’s like Mengele is running the show…

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Jinks
Jinks
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

And all predicated on unfit for purpose PCR tests!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

“It’s beautiful Dave!”
I love that character 🙂

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

The Oxford vaccine stories andvoutcomes remind me of how champagne was invented by Dom Perignon.
Only this time it’s done purposely and solely to put lipstick on a quite obvious pig.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

The talk of zero-covid and the blinkered support for the vaccines is particularly alarming as to me it indicates a shocking lack of understanding of the living world. My working life was spent in agriculture and horticulture and my retirement sees me involved with conservation and wildlife work, one thing this has taught me is that anything living is more complex than you think and that whenever you think you have understood anything you probably have not! Surely Witty and his team, as medical people, must know that SARS-Cov2 as a respiratory coronavirus is very different to smallpox and yellow fever. SARS-Cov2 is now part of the panoply of respiratory coronavirus which are part of living and breathing air and cannot be eliminated anymore than we have failed to eliminate flu and the common cold. It should be Witty who is calling out zero covid as a scientific/medical nonsense but I think he is too busy enjoying his time in the spotlight and is thus complicit in this nonsense, I am sure he sees a knighthood for himself in the next honours list and possibly an eventual seat in the Lords and for that he is prepared to sell his… Read more »

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Lord Shitty of the Gulag.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Listening to Mellow Magic radio (yes I know – but sometimes you need something to take the pain away!) and on the news they announced that some expert had stated that you definitely can get a second infection of SARS-Cov2 but that the second time it was usually very mild (or mellow even)

And so SARS-Cov2 is settling down to be a common cold/flu respiratory virus that we can live with as we have always done. Good heavens what a surprise, who would have thought it?

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yes, we live with viruses. Viruses are part of nature, and aren’t the enemy. By encountering one coronavirus naturally it gives us some protection against the next. Our immune systems are incredibly complex systems, honed to near perfection by evolution and natural selection, and it is only by our interactions with viruses that we thrive.

Assuming that an experimental vaccine will guard us better against what is a relatively mild disease than our immune systems can, is indeed us in our arrogance, not respecting nature, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the natural world.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

What Prof. Gupta said from the start: we only dealt with the flu seasons of the last century quite well, because our ancestors had to deal with and faced rather than run away from the Spanish flu.
More and more smart people are rediscovering the trolley problem recently and that we will most likely have made a gigantic and unethical mistake by having decided to move the
switch, for the first time ever.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

On a related theme I’ve always liked the quote

we are the only animals clever enough to manufacture our own food, and stupid enough to eat it

We are the only animals clever enough to manufacture our own vaccines and stupid enough to use them unwisely.

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Natalie Shay
Natalie Shay
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

What else are we meant to eat? Plants?
Agricultural has been one of the worst decimators of health for us hunter gatherers. Now, after C-19, meat will be weaponised and demonised. . . Gill Bates owns the most farmland in America so he’ll be ok

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

We appear to be unwilling test subjects to the biggest science experiment in history. Question; is it possible to eradicate a virus. Well we have a majority of the population stupid enough to follow every test we do. They will isolate, not travel, inject any old shit into their bodies, subject themselves to fucking awful PCR tests and believe the results, even though they are carried out in a tent outside tesco. They will wear masks, keep a distance apart, not meet up in groups, stay away from people they love, remove all social interaction in face to face mode and only talk on-line.
Right we have enough of the population on board let’s see how far can we go. Welcome to Europe, or Petri dish central as its now known. We are never getting out of this.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

I think we have mostly willing (if duped) test subjects in the biggest science experiment in history, but it aint got nothing to do with eradicating any virus

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

It’s not an experiment, it’s a depopulation project.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Roger Koops pointed this out as one of the first, when he reviewed the mask nonsense for AIER.
All of this is basically just a rerun of Don Quijote’s fights.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Confrontation in the Bakers Shop yesterday

Old git asked my where my mask was

I immediately got aggressive and screamed ” Stand still, stand still, undercover covid marshall”

The OG threw his arms in the air

I flashed my ID and had him assume the position against the walk

” Name? ”

“I’m sorry, I’m sorry I didn’t know”

“Is you journey today essential?”

” Sorry, sorry I’m just shopping”

” I don’t know that do I? ”

“No Sir you don’t. Can I just say I think your all doing a wonderful job”

“Where are your papers?”

I relived him of his wallet, and told him not to move until I returned

It has been reported to me he was still there three hours later

When he went to the council office to get his wallet they were closed

Good bottle of red with my steak last night

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I hope this story is true.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Of course, it is.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago

Story from the times.Government officials are working on a vaccine passport so people can go in holiday this year.

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

This had better not be remotely true. It will mean divorce for me. My husband would take anything that allowed him to go on holiday, even though he thinks it’s all complete bollocks. While I will be injected with an experimental vaccine over my dead body, and more to the point, never, ever allow my children to be vaccinated until I am satisfied that the risk benefit is worth it. Which is impossible until trials complete, at the very earliest.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

They are illegal and cannot be enforced. You could make the same argument about all infectious diseases including diarrhoea or malaria. No symptoms, yet you are carrying the plague, ergo test-vaxx etc. Don’t give in to their demands to ingest genomic altering poisons when Merck has said that your immune system is far better than a vaxx and have stopped all CV vaxx efforts.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

It doesn’t matter that they’re illegal…

The thugs and useful idiots will enforce them anyway… it’ll take a year of legal torment (if you even have the funds for lawyers) for right to prevail, by which time whatever it is you wanted to do (or not do) is a distant memory anyway. And even then, the chances of high court judges siding against the establishment are laughably remote..

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Despite the bad or mixed publicity they had, Saga are still pushing their holiday adverts exclusively for people who have been vaccinated. It seems certain that in current law this is illegal discrimination, but Saga may have been given the nod to do this to promote the idea of vaccine passports in advance of legislation to impose them.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Edward

They’re pushing at an open door.

Try advertising vacancies only for those who have not had the jabs.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I wonder if Ebay might have something for sale ……

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

The population of the UK are the trial. If you take the EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGICAL AGENT for that is what it is. You become the guinea pig!

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Unfortunately it will be the need to travel that will force myself and my wife to get vaccinated in the end, we have family in Uganda and Canada and in the end will risk the vaccine if it means getting to see them. Mind you by the time International Travel is again possible (if ever) maybe we will have some idea as to what is the safest vaccine option we can get away with. Or maybe we can find some IT wizz-kid in downtown Kampala who can do us a vaccine passport!

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Traitor

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

It is a problem to know that even some who are against the vax in principle will take it in fact – and helps worsen things for the rest of us. We all need to hold out against this – not just some of us. Power in numbers.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

I appreciate the point but in the end if it comes down to visiting our twin grandsons or refusing the vaccine? I am afraid the grandsons win. BUT there is a lot of water to go under the bridge before we get to that stage. Certainly I will first look into the possibility of fake/scam documentation. There is a big trade in fake yellow card vaccination certificates in Africa. Then of course at the moment there seems little prospect of any international travel!

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

At some point, everyone will have to decide whether they give in to the likely upcoming coercion and discrimination and whether if not doing so can still change something for the better.
A traditional vaccine should be OK to take medically by then if they decide to give in.
The Novavax one looks OK, but even the Chinese one is preferable to the current experimental gene therapies.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Unhelpful, dude.

We are all having – to some extent – to make unpleasant compromises in order to get on with our lives.

Sure, you can choose not to, but isn’t it Steve’s right to make his own choices where the don’t affect you?

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Understandable. But how sad that you would be forced to potentially self harm in order to visit your family

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

That’s the thing. If the family really cares about the person then they will tell him not to have the vax and to wait until things are Normal again (even if that means years of waiting before one can fly without the “passport”) – rather than see them go against their conscience/go against the rest of us/risk their health.

If the family doesn’t really care – then the question as to why one would want to visit people with that attitude?

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

It’s all relative.
You will also probably own nothing anymore by then anyway, and NOT be happy about it.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Steve these “passports” will not be enforceable in international law so stick to your guns and don’t get the vaccine. For everyone like you who gives in you make it more and more difficult for the rest of us to stay out of the system they are trying to create – one where you get your vaccine update once a year. This is most likely the mark of the beast.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

Steve might end up having to sue the airline for refusing to let him board, it won’t be Passport Control stopping him.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

So he’s going to waste an airfare and blow £50k on lawyers to have a futile fight that in the end will only prove that this ‘international law’ on which you rely is a non-binding fantasy? Doesn’t sound very wise to me.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Defeatist – it’s people like you who make resistance so difficult.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

You say defeatist, I say realist.

Why expend your energy on fights you cannot hope to win?

If you don’t pick your battles wisely, what chance do you have of winning the war?

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Wait for the Novavax one if you can.

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norwegian
norwegian
5 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

As in Denmark and Sweden then …

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John
John
5 years ago

With regards to “can the government force you to be tested”. The 2020 act is based on the 1984 public health act. The 1984 Act allows for a person who is suspected to be infected with an infectious disease to be subject to certain processes and procedures forcibly, this is not arbitrary but requires a Justice of the Peace to authorise it. The 2020 act has no such requirement.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  John

Don’t answer your door. Tell them to sod off.

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

I consider anything that requires objects to be inserted into my body to be a medical procedure. As such, I am entitlled to refuse to be subject to it.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  John

Did anyone see the C4 drama It’s A Sin recently? I’d highly recommend it. One of the characters is detained under the 1984 Act for having HIV/AIDS and a lawyer gets him released. Would really like to learn more about the case law as I imagine it’s based on a real precedent.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  John

The 1984 part of that is chilling….

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Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago

Do you feel a major issue is that the bulk of the population accept nasty and draconian lockdown laws without question which wouldn’t be tolerated in other circumstances? For instance, it is accepted that only drivers who exceed the speed limit should be charged with speeding. Imagine if the government said there had been an increase in speeding and to deal with this problem it is decided to charge all vehicle licence holders with speeding through a fine and points on their licence. The government argues that if all drivers are not charged with speeding, the problem of speeding drivers will get worse, will cause accidents and put the emergency services under strain. This would be seen as grossly unfair collective punishment where all drivers are charged with speeding and branded as speeders regardless if they have exceeded the speed limit. The government doesn’t have to provide evidence drivers have been speeding.  My issue with lockdown is that the entire population are branded as disease carriers regardless whether or not this is true and punished for this.  The entire population are put in quarantine and have to endure cruelties such as not being able to see family and friends. The government doesn’t have to provide any evidence… Read more »

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Fascism; dehumanise, demonise the human or your enemy. Makes it easier to kill/incarcerate.

CV 19 is the preparation for Doris’ Great Green Fascist Reset. You will be dehumanised as a parasite sucking Mommy Gaia’s blood, infecting her with your filth.

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Achilles
Achilles
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Of course it’s completely unethical. We are all guilty until proven innocent. But worse than that we have all been sent to prison without trial and we can only get out (only as a group and not individually) if we fulfil a set of arbitrary rules that are constantly changed, haven’t been told what they are or haven’t even been decided yet. We were not given a lawyer to defend us, quite the opposite. We were instead subjected to a 24 hour a day propaganda campaign run by state psychologists so that most of the population believed they were guilty and accepted the punishment without a trial even needed.

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Jinks
Jinks
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Brainwashing from early schooling, which conditions children into accepting collective punishment, as well social media, demanding (and getting) conformity, is at the root of this flock mentality of the masses.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

Brainwashing is what school is for. That’s one of the reasons I’m far less concerned than some about schools remaining closed for the foreseeable.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

yes, I understand where you’re coming from, [my own children were home educated for a while- it was already appalling 20 years ago] but these children whose schools are being closed are not going into some home education paradise,instead they are being wired up to a screen 24/7, junk food on tap, locked up, while their parents struggle to somehow earn a living, or not to tear their hair out – I’m afraid it is child abuse, nothing less – state sponsored child abuse

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Good for you bully boy. And school is also vital in picking up child protection issues. Self absorbed comment coming thick and fast today. For nuking china too now too? Impressive.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Bully boy? LOL

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Good points, but bully boy, no evidence for that.

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

the problem is that people have no understanding of any concept of freedom, they don’t value it, and don’t realise that life without it is nothing, a worthless, living death. They have it ass about tit: the idea is not that the government ‘allows’ us things, it is rather that we allow the government to encroach on our freedom, our fundamental, inviolable freedom, which is ours by birthright, by a laborious process known as the rule of law: we accept a limited range of clearly defined prohibitions, such as laws against rape, murder, theft, assault, and an even narrower range of coercions, such as paying taxes. [and these encroachments, unlike freedom itself, are by nature provisional, negotiable, temporary] A free human being has dignity and stature; the opposite is a slave, which has none, which can scarely be called human at all, but is a chattel for his master to dispose of as he wishes. I don’t know how people who claim to be appalled at the slave trade can fail to grasp this, or apparently not have any sense or feeling for what it means not to be a slave.

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Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
5 years ago

This ‘digital vaccine record’ was the game all along:

https://id2020.org/

This is how it will eventually transmogrify so that it doesn’t get ‘lost’:

https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218

Imagine having the foresight in 2019 to realise that a rapidly mutating virus would require a regular vaccination to enable foreign travel and to access public facilities.

No prizes for guessing who funds each of these initiatives.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

“regular vaccination” – should be “regular software update” because these guys are injecting you with mRNA gene therapies, and the companies refer to them as “software of life”

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

They won’t be injecting me.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Nor me – this is most likely the Mark of the beast.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

Sure seems like it.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Of course it was. I saw what was going on last March. This has nothing to do with our health, it was always about climate change and making us change our lifestyles. Its so blatant now!

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Ambwozere
Ambwozere
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Germany are going to be bringing in the digital passport ID2020

https://geopolitic.org/2021/02/03/implanted-vaccine-package-id-germanys-parliament-has-ratified-gavis-digital-agenda-id2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Ambwozere

Our chance to avoid all this was sometime ago when we all could have switched from using Microsoft products. If only we could have known that by using windows we were funding Bill Gates plans to control every human on the planet. You see there all the others involved in this control agenda – how do we stop funding them?

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

Been using Linux since 2005
Not my fault

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Decanter

Yeah I switched to Linux in 2018 – haven’t looked back since. I was always opposed to Win8 and Win10, so transitioned straight from 7 to Mint. I know it’s not a ‘hard man Linux’ like other distros, but I absolutely love working on Mint.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Vir Cotto

I had planned to shift to Linux after 8.1, but unfortunately I have to use the computer for work, and ended up with a windows 10 pc. At some point I’m going to try Linux and see how I get on with it.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  this is my username

I am really getting to like Linux. The only reason I still use WIn 7 on this PC is for gaming and not because I can’t do just about all the games I play under steam on Linux. It’s works well, it’s just multiplayer stuff that needs a Windows client. For all the other stuff Ubuntu is amazing. I can get any kind of software to do anything I want to do. Linux is also great for older hardware, much lighter to run than Win10. It’s very reliable too.

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

And much more secure than Windoze.

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this is my username
this is my username
5 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Decanter

Not anyone’s fault, Crystal Decanter, just that we can see now that we were funding a dangerous man like Gates who has an agenda.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

I’ve been watching The Expanse recently, a sci-fi show set some hundreds or more years in the future. Although Earth is not part of the main story, the world building is quite rich. Earth is depicted as having an entire underclass of people living on something called ‘Basic’, where housing and food is provided to those without work because unemployment is rife. There is also this government messaging about ‘getting registered’ because apparently undocumented individuals (aka off the grid) still persist in that future. It looks like we sceptics are going to be the ‘undocumented’ of that future.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

He has transposed the Microsoft business model to public health.Every year our operating systems will have to be updated with anti virus software.
Immune system/ vaccine.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

Another first class edition of LS today. No hint of appeasement.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

But still no coverage of the fact that the First Minister of Wales says delivering election leaflets is not consistent with the lockdown. Presumably this means that all political leaflet delivering by volunteers is now illegal in Wales.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They can’t have it all ways either delivering leaflets are illegal or they are not.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Volunteers delivering leaflets is what Dripford was pronouncing upon. He says parties and candidate should pay for such leaflets to be delivered by delivery companies. Of course, Labour and the Tories can afford this – smaller parties can’t.

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JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They are afraid of lockdown sceptics distributing their leaflets instead…

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago

Oooh.., I like this.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1357420746155302917

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Great stuff. Thank you for posting.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I wouldn’t have served the police either. All we have to do is back each other up whenever you see anything like this. The police need to know there will be consequences!

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norwegian
norwegian
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Super!

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

The Plod dumb as door knobs. Enjoying their unlimited tyranny. Feel powerful and important. Good that some people educated the idiot. Time to end this. Now.

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Ed Phillips
Ed Phillips
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Quick question in response:
Has the law changed? The original SI stated that shop workers and those going about the business of running things didn’t have to wear a mask.

Also, the £10k fine is nonsense too, isn’t it?

The fact that the police don’t know the ins and outs of this scam is one thing. But the fact they don’t know the law is eminently worse.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Brilliant.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

excellent – the police are brainless, aggressive thugs in uniform. I used to respect them but not any more, wouldn’t trust them an inch.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Plod scum.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Plod should be referred to by their other well known handle, the filth.

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Hellonearth
Hellonearth
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

“There are people dying”, I would quite happily add to that number if someone said that to me. Maybe they are unaware that there has always been people dying, thick twat he was. I have a deep hatred for people who love a bit of power and wield it about like a badge of honour. Maybe that cop should think about losing some weight if he is so worried about the rona.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Hellonearth

It’s basically the same as this old chestnut:

think-of-the-children.jpg
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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

The masks are so important to them that the policeman in the background stands there with his one under his nose…

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Burlington
Burlington
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

It just proves that one in four police cuntstables are just as thick and stupid as the other three.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

A policeman walks into a bookshop and says, “Can I have a book please.”

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Would you like a book for Christmas? – No thanks, I have one already.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
5 years ago

Covid dashboard link ATL is a good link – however the data is wrong. Average flu deaths in the UK past 5 years must include flu, pneumonia and respiratory deaths. This is after all what a flu virus is and the cause of death. When you add those 3 together you have a trebling of their data and this is important when graphing CV deaths (1/2 at least have nothing to do with CV) to flu-resp-pneum.

2017: 87 K
2018: 91 K
2019: 85 K
2020: 65 K

At least 25 K of the CV dead last year is from flu etc.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

I’ll add this

EtY8HfsVkAAkM2i.jpeg
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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Brilliant!

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Brilliant!

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago

1970 ‘Komsomol at first used its travel agency Sputnik in an attempt to strengthen the relations with youth organizations in other Eastern Bloc countries, and how, having failed in this, turned to exploit tourism for earning hard currency and rewarding party members……..the Soviet attempt to use the camp for promoting a positive image of socialist progress in the USSR collided with the perception of foreign visitors. The Soviet failure to understand the negative reactions of foreign visitors solidified the perception of the USSR as a fossilized and stereotyped society.’ https://www.hsozkult.de/conferencereport/id/tagungsberichte-7287 2021 ‘The NHS England state health authority used its think tank agency SAGE in an attempt to strengthen the relations with public sector workers in other industrial sectors…….the state broadcaster’s failure to understand the negative reactions of the diminished private sector solidified the perception of the DSSUK (Democratic Socialist State of the UK) as a fossilized and stereotyped society’ I can see how a lot of this government’s policies might appeal to a certain sector of the British population……but that sector is not the one that voted them into power and, typically, never votes Conservative. That is why the opposition consistently outflanks the government in insisting on tougher restrictions. This… Read more »

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

they don’t need to worry about that. by 2024, most of us will either be dead or in the gulag

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Monro
Monro
5 years ago
Reply to  JaneHarry

Super Thursday (06 May) local, London and Scottish elections approach and there can be no wriggling out of it:

‘Last week, Nicola Sturgeon said she could see “no reason” why the Scottish Parliamentary elections – under the control of Holyrood – “at this stage” should not go ahead as planned for May.

The First Minister pointed out that there had been “elections in many other countries over the course of the pandemic”.’

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19007732.government-officials-discussed-uk-nations-jumping-together-push-may-polls-back-month/

‘England confides that every man will do their duty’

‘Engage the enemy more closely’

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Monro

‘Super Thursday’? Please….

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

Zahawi is reported here as saying no lockdown lifting until everyone over the age of fifty has been vaccinated. I guess you’ll have to blame me for the lockdown this Christmas. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uk-vaccine-minister-all-over-age-50-must-be-vaccinated-lockdown-lift-begins

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They will have to kill me first

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Puddleglum
Puddleglum
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Plenty of Spartacuses (Spartaci?) will stand with you 🙂

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I’m sure he must mean everybody over the age of 50 has been offered the experimental vaccine?

By turning it down you are therefore doing your public duty to speed up the lifting of the lockdown, as there will be less over 50s to experimentally vaccinate.

I shall make the same sacrifice as you, by turning down the experimental vaccine.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Zahawi strikes me as the sort o f guy who thinks the Nuremburg Code is quaint and old fashioned.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Along with silly outdated notions like freedom, justice, courage, honesty, tolerance, compassion…

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Zahawi is from an alien culture with a set of beliefs that are inimical to British common law and our traditional liberties. What else did you expect?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Tells you all you need to know about this little shit

In 1991, Zahawi and fellow Kurd Broosk Saib were aides to Jeffrey Archer during Archer’s controversial “Simple Truth” campaign to help Kurdish victims of the Gulf War. Zahawi and Saib were nicknamed “Lemon kurd” and “Bean kurd” by Archer.[4

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iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

one thousand upticks Cecil

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

During the time he was on the Foreign Affairs Select Committee he was also chairman of the secretive trans-Atlantic group Le Cercle but did not declare his membership.[17] In 2019 a member of his staff was listed as an administor of Le Cercle in the Parliamentary Register of interests.[18]
In January 2016 and as one of 72 MPs who were themselves landlords who derived an income from a property, Zahawai voted down an amendment in Parliament requiring rental homes be “fit for human habitation”.[19]

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ElizaP
ElizaP
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I wondered exactly how to interpret that phrase. Should I interpret it as being “all over 50s have been offered the vax” or “All over 50s will have the vax”? I interpreted it as meaning = all over 50s to have been offered the vax and hope that is the correct interpretation. As we know, after all, the vast majority of those in the currently vaxxed agegroups have had the vax one way or another – thus the question for them is as to whether they had it voluntarily or were they forcibly shoved into it by uncaring care homes or relatives? So chances are that the younger age groups (ie 50-69) will also show the majority of them choosing to have it voluntarily (as opposed to being pressganged into it or deciding against it). Surely the vast majority having been done = we can all be let loose again (including those of us not “done”).

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Ambwozere
Ambwozere
5 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Wouldn’t get your hopes up, reported in the Times yesterday, comment by Nadhim Zahawi who said that anyone who hasn’t taken up the offer of a vaccine could get a knock on the door from council staff to “persuade” them to have it. He told MPs that he wanted to use local authorities to find those who had refused the jab and determine what might then convince them.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Ambwozere

Oh no council staff!! Doris from accounts who has been WFH for a year will realise none of her work clothes fit her anymore but will be knocking on your door in her track suit (very stretchy) to ask if you have any biscuits and ooh what was it, oh yes could you go and have your jab?

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

If Doris from accounts is a member of a professional accountancy body, I will be reminding her that when the SHTF, I will be lodging a complaint of professional misconduct against her with her professional body.

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sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  Ambwozere

hahaha! How about council staff get on with what I am paying them to do and fix a few potholes and pick up the litter in the verges?

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

All your fault, Londo.

“As I look at you, Ambasador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sound; the sounds of billions of people calling your name.”

“My followers?”

“Your victims.”

😀

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Are they vaccinating all the people who have been ill and recovered from covid? Er why? If the job of the vaccine is to reduce the symptoms and give you immunity surely having had the disease does exactly the same thing?
Also what are the triggers for freedom? If having all the over fifties “safe” means we can release the population does this not imply everyone under fifty is not at risk? So why can’t they be released now? Why are schools, colleges and universities shut down? Surely they cannot be at risk?

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stevie119
stevie119
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They are welcome to stick it in my arm. But they will have to cut it off first.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

Our homes are prisons. The hospitals are prisons. The hotels are prisons. The care homes are prisons. The country is a prison

Soon we will all be murdered if we don’t do anything

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Keith C*ntabout articulates it well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRb2jE9PKhw

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Never mind that spiv wanker Toby Young getting into the House of Lords.

Andrew Lawrence should be a mile ahead of him in the queue. He’s been an absolute superstar throughout this horror show.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

If he is a “spiv wanker”, why are you frequenting his site?

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

For the charming, intelligent people below the line, of course.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago

You begin with the BBC – was there nobody less reliable available? It talks about ‘coronavirus hotspots’. There is no such thing as Coronavirus, it is a term covering many viruses. If you mean SARS-CoV-2, then there are no hotspots as the tests being used (PCR) are not fit for purpose.

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Vir Cotto
Vir Cotto
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

I’m still surprised the BBC actually refutes that there was a Christmas surge. If anything, they’d be the first outlet to push the idea. Things are… looking up? Or a sideways glance maybe?

Nah, probably not.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

And could the “hotspots” have anything to do with your moonshit mass testing to squash the virus?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago

Meanwhile rubber dinghies are welcome and your stay won’t cost you anything.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Come in on your lilo, no need to lilo.

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TheClone
TheClone
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

There are even prizes for the ones making it to the UK shores!

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norwegian
norwegian
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

And?

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Ignore the working class poor
Come on in on a floating door

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Work zoom meeting yesterday which degenerated into chit chat about vaccines. Lots of whooping about how we’re on schedule and the millenials squealing about looking forward to their dose.

As they were all so positive I didn’t want to ruin their illusions by asking about the following:

  1. Are you all aware that the vaccine will not be the end of the restrictions?
  2. Are you all aware of the side effects especially those that will impact the young – i.e. Bell’s Palsy? Infertility? Narcolepsy?
  3. Why are you so eager to get a vaccine for something that has a 99.98% survival rate and that there’s a 99.9% that you’ll get it but where the side effects could be for life that threatens your chance to be in employment and live your life?

And note its the millenials who seem to be taken with this vaccine as the magic bullet idea. Shows what a roaring success Blair’s educational policies were (sarcasm).

As always discuss.

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Ambwozere
Ambwozere
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think if it had been me I’d have asked those questions, would have been amusing to watch their faces and reactions.

It’s not just the millienals who are keen on being jabbed, most of the people on Facebook keep happily declaring they’ve had the jab or it’s been booked in and how wonderful it is.

Makes me despair to be honest.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ambwozere

Saw that on Arsebook. To this day I don’t know of anyone who has had the virus but I know of people who have had the jab. Why?

And marking it as a badge of honour was desperately sad frankly.

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Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Ambwozere

I was at an online meeting yesterday of a committee I’m a member of. No mention of coviebollocks, but in previous emails the secretary of the group (50ish) has hailed the introduction of the “vaccine” and said that his parents have both received it. We lockdown sceptics sometimes play the “medical confidentiality” card (quite rightly) in relation to strangers asking us about mask exemption, so I think it’s unethical for somebody to pass on medical information about others. On this site I might mention medical information about people of my acquaintance, but not in such a way that they could be identified. However those who regard being vaccinated as something to shout from the rooftops can’t complain if others also pass on the information.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Any smokers amongst your colleagues? Ask them to inhale, put on their mask and then exhale. Proof masks don’t work, millenials!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

None sadly. But loads of social drinkers.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Our call a couple of weeks ago degenerated in to just such talk. All hope on the vaccine.

I killed that dead by asking why would you want to take a vaccine with a 60% chance of prevention when you have an immune system that offers 99.8% chance of protection?

Erm…. although I think it may have flushed out a sceptic or two…

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I’ve tried pushing very gently in the sceptic direction on these calls, and quickly realised that it’s utterly futile. It’s just another reminder that your colleagues are not your friends, and never the twain should meet.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

The reason why I kept quiet this time was because the last time I asked roughly the same questions, it didn’t go down well.

Many of my colleagues don’t like hearing stuff that they don’t agree with. They were the same with Brexit and Trump plus they’re rabid lockdowistas. Even the threat of redundancy never woke these people up.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Make sure you mute and close your camera before having a danger wank on the other laptop.

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rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Well, the more people thera are who take the vaccine sooner, the earlier we will find out what the effects are.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

True. It will be interesting how many of my millenial colleagues will be desperate enough for the jab then have a rude awakening of its side effects.

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fiery
fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

People are even given a sticker when they’ve had the vaccine. Sadly I’m only one of two people in my workplace who’ve refused the deadly injection.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Have no idea who else in my work has refused the vaccine apart from me but thankfully its not mandated at my workplace.

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

and they still won’t get their 2 weeks in spain this summer, or indeed next summer at this rate without jumping through hoops and imprisoned on return!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  penelope pitstop

Exactly. And its not as if we can breathe easy either as more redundancies could still be in the cards if we don’t go back to the Old Normal.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Why are you so eager to get a vaccine for something that has a 99.98% survival rate and that there’s a 99.9% that you won’t get it but where the side effects could be for life that threatens your chance to be in employment and live your life? – DOH!!!

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Chicot
Chicot
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If antibody dependent enhancement occurs when a vaccinated person encounters a mutated version of the virus then Bells Palsy, infertility and narcolepsy will be the least of their worries. Having stronger immune systems will mean it will be worse in the young and the death toll could be horrendous.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

Good point. It will become like an addiction where their immune systems are so compromised that they will need booster shots every year because their bodies won’t be able to fight off even a simple cold.

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Bungle
Bungle
5 years ago

The Toby Young bit about his privileged Oxbridge chums is sickening

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Especially when it’s back to back with pieces about some of the most egregious infringements of our personal freedoms that have ever been seen in Britain.

I have said here repeatedly, that Toby is far too interested in keeping ‘his betters’ onside. to truly commit to this or any other anti-establishment cause.

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Polonium1806
Polonium1806
5 years ago

So far, so good for the government. Public is seemingly behind even harder restrictions, newspapers love it opposition in the Parliament, well, it does not exist. Money is no issue, no one is challenging contradictory statements, I don’t think anyone remembers them anyway, so much is thrown around every minute.the best tactic seem to be just to ignore and why not if no one is really challenging? But every stick got two ends, while managing by fear is like addiction, at some point they will be faced with a wall – if we are doing great why so many deaths, record cases? How to sell it as a success? You can’t have both, highest numbers and biggest win. Also it clearly shows that boundaries are important and when no obstacles to think around it makes poor art.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  Polonium1806

The paid bots, maybe, no one else is behind harsher restrictions.

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AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

A comforting conceit no doubt, but almost certainly wrong.

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Harry Chara
Harry Chara
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Plenty are behind Harsher restrictions you are deluded

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Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Polonium1806

Good morning Polonium. I enjoyed your post.

You express very concisely the sense of hopeless entrapment that I feel in relation to the irrational and destructive policies that continue to rob me of most of the things that make my life meaningful. Almost everyone I speak to is deeply frightened: healthy people in their 30s and 40s and 50s, truly believing that if they gave me a hug or came to my house or invited me into theirs, they would be likely to die as a result. They are addicted to the fear; politicians, police, the media etc are addicted, as you say, to managing by fear. So, it encourages me that you point out that the fear-technique is unsustainable: ‘they will be faced with a wall.’

But most of all I like your final sentence: ‘boundaries are important and when no obstacles to think around it makes poor art.’ Lovely.
Indeed some extremely bad artists are hogging the paintbox.

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Polonium1806
Polonium1806
5 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Thank You for your kind words, I just hunt for any ray of hope I can find and decided that I’m not going to be drawn into apathy and depression, that would be what overlords want and I refuse.

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Basileus
Basileus
5 years ago

CDC Admits To 329 Recorded Deaths So Far From COVID MRNA Jabs
https://principia-scientific.com/cdc-admits-to-329-recorded-deaths-so-far-from-covid-mrna-jabs/

Worth a read.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

This is not an influenza vaccine.10 times deadlier.The concern is what described as lifethreatening 272 which I assume is anaphylaxis reacton needing urgent treatment.That is at least 10 times more anaphylaxis than flu vaccine probaly even more. The main concern is the risk of ITP idiopathic trombocytopen purpura which is autoimmune reaction probaly more common in younger.The Florida physician died of a fulminant ITP after vaccine Pfizer. Let us hope we won’t see an epidemic of ITP in half -one years time in younger persons.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Oh bollocks just when I think I have a good idea of medical talk you throw 6 new words I have to go and look up.

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Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Wonder how many people died OF Covvie during same time period.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

I won’t re post it here but if you want to know what sort of a bum Zahawi is visit his Wikipedia page

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mikewaite
mikewaite
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I did so yesterday and posted some excerpts from his profile here. What surprised me was th bannerhead warning on the profile:

This article may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies.

Something that I have never seen before. If you do as Cecil suggests, and I highly recommend that you do , you will see why that warning is there .
On the basis of the information provided publicly by Wiki and substantiated in the references, a less honourable member of parliament, and of Govt , it would be difficult find – in my opinion , (which might be prejudiced of course.).
Am I right in thinking that he has set up a company dealing in medical equipment?
https://www.stratford-herald.com/news/new-family-company-is-legitimate-says-mp-nadhim-zahawi-9147529/

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DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/captain-tom-delightful-man-and-propaganda-tool/ Interesting article by James Delingpole

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