The Great Lockdown Debate
Toby went head-to-head on talkRADIO this week against Christopher Snowdon, the erstwhile sceptic and now lockdown cheerleader with whom Toby has been sparring in recent weeks.
It’s a cracking debate and general opinion is that Toby won hands down – but then we would say that.
Toby says:
I debated Chris Snowdon on talkRADIO on Wednesday. It was a lively but good-humoured exchange chaired by Mike Graham, the veteran radio presenter and former editor of the Scottish Daily Mirror. I don’t suppose we changed many minds, but I was pleased that Mike and talkRADIO created a forum for a proper, grown up debate about the lockdown policy, something that hasn’t really happened on the BBC or any other mainstream media platform.
You’ll notice quite a contrast between mine and Chris’s appearance. We see Chris lounging on his sofa in what appears to be a dressing gown, a microphone in one hand and a vape in the other. All you see of me, by contrast, is my enormous noggin. I don’t think that was a consequence of my Zoom set up. Rather, I think talkRADIO decided to chop out the Free Speech Union banner behind me and that meant a tight close up of my face.
I’ve had some nice comments about it on Twitter since it appeared on YouTube yesterday, but then most of the people I follow on Twitter are lockdown sceptics so they’re inevitably biased. In my long experience of doing these debates, the people who agree with you think you did well, whereas the people that disagree with you think you got owned by your opponent. I think it was a draw. We both got an opportunity to put our arguments across and neither of us landed a killer blow.
Watch for yourself and see what you think.
Stop Press: Nicholas Lewis has taken Snowdon to task for his groundless criticisms of Mike Yeadon when he wrote about false positives in September.
A GP Protests “No Jab, No Job”
A GP, Dr Clare Jones, has written to her MP Jesse Norman to protest against being compelled to be vaccinated or face disciplinary action from the General Medical Council, as Lockdown Sceptics reported yesterday. She copied us in and we thought we’d share it with you.
Dear Jesse,
Having worked tirelessly for the NHS for 31 years as a hospital doctor, A&E doctor and a GP with probably two sick days in my whole career, is the Government really suggesting that because I exert my choice not to have the Covid vaccine, my wealth of medical experience is going to be lost just because I choose to exercise my free will and conscience ?
Like most other people who decline the vaccine, I’m not an “anti-vaxxer”. My son is fully vaccinated; I have travel vaccines. But I weigh up the pros and cons of vaccines in a more informed way than most other people and have decided for now I don’t want it (likewise the flu vaccine). There is currently a haemorrhaging of experienced GPs due to unprecedented stress levels, including one over the last couple of months from our five partner practice. If I go it will destabilise our already struggling practice.
I have borne the burden of vaccinating (with no extra payment and massive organisational toll) the population who CHOOSE to be vaccinated, the burden of listening to the thousands of patient emotionally damaged by the ill-judged and poorly assessed lockdown (the lack of risk/benefit analysis has been criminal), the burden of carrying work for other colleagues who can’t manage the unprecedented stress in the system, the dumping of more and more work onto primary care – and now this slap in the face.
The Government needs to take a break from criticising the Chinese Communist Party for a moment and stop in its own attempts at re-educative, repressive and punitive strategies directed toward minorities such as those who choose not to be vaccinated. It is disrespectful and demeaning to an educated and thoughtful sector of society to impose a medical procedure against our will.
I would also like to be able to continue to move freely in the UK and the world at large, which is a much more effective and healthy way of managing mental strain than the endless mental health online resources we are bombarded with and that we’re much too busy and exhausted to look at. Travelling and exploring freely in the world at home and abroad has proved an effective way to keep me functioning well in a highly stressful job. Happily, I just need to be able to move freely in my God-given environment and breathe God’s free air to keep me happy and functioning as a productive and functional human being. Vaccine passports would deprive me of this healthy outlet.
Believe me, I will make the most of an imposed early retirement if enforced vaccination becomes a reality, by finishing my thesis on “governmental revolving door policies with particular emphasis on pharmaceutical companies”. After all, what do I have to lose? Not my freedom.
(Dr) Clare Jones
Hereford
Stop Press: Care UK, one of the UK’s largest care home firms, has introduced a ‘no jab, no job’ policy, saying new staff must have received a Covid vaccination before they start work, the Guardian reports. Barchester, meanwhile, which operates more than 220 private care homes, has said it is insisting that current staff are vaccinated, warning that if they “refuse … on non-medical grounds [they] will, by reason of their own decision, make themselves unavailable for work”.
How Effective Are the Vaccines?
The latest results from Imperial’s REACT study, published yesterday, have shown that more than nine out of ten of those vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine develop COVID-19 antibodies. 91% of those vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine had antibodies, rising to 95.5% in the under 60s but dropping to 88% in the over 80s. After a single dose, 94.7% of under 30s had antibodies after three weeks, but only 34.7% of over 80s.
This is encouraging news, given the Government’s apparent determination to use vaccines to exit the lockdowns.
Lockdown Sceptics reader Paul Roe, however, wonders why the purported benefit is yet to show up in the deaths data from the ONS. He comments:
The claim for the vaccines is that they have an efficacy of up to over 90% (Pfizer 94% Oxford-AZ 90%). It is claimed that you reach a “significant level of protection after 22 days”.
So you would expect that 22 days after the first jab (so from December 30th 2020) there would begin to be a significant fall in deaths for the 70s, 80s and 90+ age groups.
However, looking at the graph (above) the curves actually shoot up at that point and don’t begin to drop until four weeks later.
It has to be hoped that this is just a delayed reaction, bearing in mind that markedly low 34.7% figure for antibodies in the over 80s three weeks after the first dose. The ONS data relates to the situation around two weeks ago.
On a more cheering note, deaths are plummeting now.
Stop Press: Her Majesty the Queen has made a rare intervention in the vaccination drive, calling on people to “think about others rather than yourselves”, the Mail reports. The jab “didn’t hurt at all” when she had it, she said. The implication that those refusing the vaccine are selfish won’t go down well with those who decide that, for them, on balance the risks don’t outweigh the benefits.
Lockdown States Suffer More Deaths Than No-Lockdown States
No-lockdown states in America continue to outperform lockdown states this winter, with 1,475 Covid deaths per million in states which didn’t lock down this winter (seven of them didn’t lock down in the spring either) compared to 1,558 deaths per million in states which locked down in winter (all of which locked down in spring as well).
The no-lockdown states have gained a little on the lockdown states since February 1st: previously the lockdown states had 5.7% more deaths but now the difference has fallen to 5.3%. But there is no sign yet of any huge surge that might reverse their positions any time soon.
Could there be much clearer evidence that, whatever Neil Ferguson’s models might say, lockdowns do not hold back a flood of hospital admissions and deaths?
Time to follow the example of Florida and the other free states and end the restrictions.
Stop Press: 111 triages for potential Covid in England dropped yesterday to their lowest level since August 9th, indicating there is almost no community transmission of COVID-19 in England at present.
Biostatistician Jon Deeks has also spotted that the Innova lateral flow tests have been returning a positive rate of 0.32% for three weeks in a row now. That is the estimated false positive rate for the tests, further indicating almost zero community transmission of COVID-19.
Yet still we are set to stay in lockdown for many weeks yet.
Postcard from Bulgaria
We’ve received a postcard from Lockdown Sceptics reader Tim Ireland, who is in Sofia. He says there is “lots of hope restrictions will be released in the coming week or two”. Right now, though, it’s not a very happy place.
I’ve been coming and going from Bulgaria for 20 years – which is to say my knowledge of the country doesn’t reach back to the fall of the Iron Curtain, but it started in the heady days of pseudo mafia rule in the years that followed. Most of the people I know here were teenagers of young adults when the wall fell. Some were actively involved… they all remember what life was like before.
The somewhat depressing refrain I’ve heard from many – especially those with international exposure and who know how pervasive and demoralising the lockdown has been in the UK – goes roughly like “I thought we threw this junk out, dealt with the joblessness, disenfranchisement, and community decline of the transition to capitalism so we didn’t have to live like this. The reward for that price was supposed to have been liberty”. A high school best friend – still a very good mate and sardonic at the best of times – shrugs his shoulders and proclaims as if narrating the history of the human species from a pulpit “That’s it. Those that have lived, have lived. Those that have travelled, have travelled. The end.”
He’s actually among the more chipper of his countrymen, has worked hard to build a career, copped life’s knocks on the chin and still has a sense of humour, so he continues, more seriously: “We’ll learn to live with it, we always do”. Part of that adaptation has meant reverting to the kind of ground-up subversion of nonsensical rules. Decades ago, illicit restaurants and bars operated a series of code-name entry protocols, so-called ‘parola’ bars. Sometimes voiced, but more often just an unmarked door with a combination lock. No code, no entry. Another friend, a sickeningly multilingual pocket rocket who has spent the bulk of her career working for Belgian and Dutch outsourcing companies, grins conspiratorially as she explains “Do you know what’s the latest ‘hit’ in Sofia? – posting your restaurant bill on social!” It seems a small, humble thing, to have gone out to dinner, shared a meal with other people, but she makes no effort to hide the sheer triple-multiplied joy of both having socialised, screwed the authorities… and bragged about it publicly.
Worth reading in full.
COVID-1984
Our revisiting of George Orwell’s 1984 this week has inspired Lockdown Sceptics contributor and former Sunday Times medical correspondent Neville Hodgkinson to write a reflection on the Orwellian nightmare that our society has quickly descended into. He begins:
Lockdown Sceptics contributor Guy de la Bédoyère gave powerful testimony this week about the inhumanity inherent in the global hysteria surrounding COVID-19. Following his post here on Tuesday reporting the death in a care home at the weekend of his 100-year-old mother-in-law, BBC Radio 4’s World at One listeners heard him describe coolly but movingly the tragedy of her last days and months.
She did not die of Covid and did not have dementia. She was mentally alert to the end, and acutely aware of what she had been denied through the brutal isolation, as Guy put it, imposed by lockdown laws for the sake of keeping her ‘safe’. In her last year of life she never saw her four great-grandchildren, had only one or two fleeting visits from grandchildren, and was unable to hug or hold her one surviving child.
It was a “hideous punishment”, Guy wrote. “That it has come to this, that we as a society and led by the Government and its scientific advisers with the willing acquiescence of organisations and individuals have done so much to commit the ultimate act of betrayal towards people at the end of their lives will surely go down in history as one of the most ignoble and demeaning aspects of this tragic year.”
Since the start of the pandemic, I have asked myself how and why COVID-19 could have triggered so many policies that seemed aimed at generating as much fear as possible, with repeated exaggerations in numbers forecast, and little regard for the social, economic and health costs involved. Our politicians, and the select group of scientific advisers who seem to be dictating policy, present themselves as caring, smiling individuals, not at all like jack-booted monsters.
And yet… the Orwellian flavour of our current experience is unmistakable. It has given rise here at LS to suggested ‘Ministry of Truth’ slogans such as Breath Is Death, Solitude Is Solidarity, Fear Is Hope, Deaths Save Lives, Lockdown Is Liberty, and so on.
Find it on the right-hand side menu. Worth reading in full.
Plus, here are today’s top Party slogans. Thanks to all who have sent suggestions in.
LUNACY IS SANITY
COMPLIANCE IS LIBERATION
DETECTION IS INFECTION
DETENTION IS PREVENTION
FAILURE IS SUCCESS
DEBATE IS HATE
CANCELLATION IS COMPASSION
SCARING IS CARING
AUTHORITY IS TRUTH
DOUBT IS DEADLY
Round-up
- “WHO says vaccine passports should NOT be used for foreign travel as there are ‘critical unknowns’ around how jabs protect people” – Mail report on the latest advice from the World Health Organisation that takes a sceptical line on vaccine efficacy. Unfortunately, its alternative is to keep borders tightly shut, not reopen them for travel
- “Where did our human rights go?” – David McGrogan in spiked writes that, in the face of “an unprecedented assault on our civil liberties, too many lawyers and academics have remained silent”
- “Goldman Sachs: Bank boss rejects work from home as the ‘new normal’” – BBC report that David Solomon has said: “I do think for a business like ours, which is an innovative, collaborative apprenticeship culture, this is not ideal for us. And it’s not a new normal. It’s an aberration that we’re going to correct as soon as possible”
- “‘Socialist’ Jacinda Ardern now only allows travelling for the ‘super-rich’” – Niall McCrae writes in Unity News Network that the supposedly Left wing Government thinks New Zealand is suffering from “over-tourism” so plans to attract the kind of visitor who, to quote the tourism minister, “hires a helicopter around Franz Josef and eats at a top-end restaurant”
- “Reflections on the Year of Living on the Edge with COVID-19” – David Redman and Professor Ramesh Thakur write in the Australian Institute of International Affairs that, one year in, the hold of discredited mathematical models remains strong while existing pandemic preparedness plans lie forgotten
- “The 19 most scandalous things the government has done during this tragic debacle” – Russell David enumerates the charges on his Mad World blog
- “Call for artists: anti-lockdown exhibition” – Call for artists to “examine and respond to the lockdown that we are all experiencing” from Fitzrovia Circle
- “Lockdown scepticism shows the limits of post-truth politics” – Ian Dunt in Politics.co.uk writes that lockdown scepticism is “an ethical abyss, a testament to how certain commentators and politicians will allow their need for attention to overrule even the most rudimentary of moral standards”. Well, I’m convinced
- “In Egypt, those who remember Mubarak have little patience for lockdowns” – Robert Jackman writes a postcard from Cairo in the Telegraph after a welcome “bleisure” trip which went more smoothly than expected
- “The corrosive fear of asymptomatic transmission” – Excellent summary of the evidence against asymptomatic transmission from the Achilles Heel blog on Medium
- “Safety and Ethical Concerns of using COVID-19 Vaccines in Healthy Children” – A new open letter from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance raises the key issues at stake when contemplating vaccinating children against coronavirus
- “The Ferguson Correspondence” – Hugh Willbourn reflects on the recent exchanges in Lockdown Sceptics with Professor Neil Ferguson and what they tell us about why people believe what they do and how they change their minds
- “An Interview With Virologist Drosten in 2014” – Fascinating interview with the pro-lockdown scientist behind the Covid PCR test protocol who, seven years ago, warned (in relation to MERS) that PCR is “so sensitive that it can detect a single genetic molecule of this virus”, meaning “now suddenly mild cases and people who are actually very healthy are included in the reporting statistics”
- “UK lighthouse laboratories testing for SARS-COV-2 may have breached WHO Emergency Use Assessment and potentially violated Manufacturer Instructions for Use” – Norman Fenton and Martin Neil on the Probability and Law blog write that “UK laboratories have been routinely recording a large proportion of COVID-19 test results as positive based on the presence of one target gene alone”
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Six today: “I Wish I Could Go Travelling Again” by Stacey Kent, “Killing Yourself To Live” by Black Sabbath, “The Scientist” by Coldplay, “Road To Rack And Ruin” by King Kurt, “Feel like living” by Hothouse Flowers and “The Kids Aren’t Alright” by The Offspring.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email Lockdown Sceptics here.
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the news that Mr Potato Head is going gender neutral and is a Mister no more. Bloomberg has the story.
Hasbro, the company that makes the potato-shaped plastic toy, is giving the spud a gender neutral new name: Potato Head. The change will appear on boxes this year.
Toy makers have been updating their classic brands to appeal to kids today. Barbie has shed its blonde image and now comes in multiple skin tones and body shapes. Thomas the Tank Engine added more girl characters. And American Girl is now selling a boy doll.
Hasbro said Mr. Potato Head, which has been around for about 70 years, needed a modern makeover.
Read it in full here.
Stop Press: Just 16% of black Brits believe tearing down statues is “a legitimate form of protest“, according to a new report from the Henry Jackson Society, Guido reports.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.
Stop Press: Wearing masks obviously isn’t possible while playing brass instruments. But that doesn’t mean somewhere can’t be found to place useless pieces of cloth. The Post Millennial reports that Wenatchee High School in Washington state hit upon making the school’s band practice in pop-up tents (picture above), providing each pupil with their own tent while also social distancing them six-feet apart. That’ll stop those pesky virus particles…
Stop Press 2: The Telegraph reports that some primary schools are telling children as young as five to wear face masks in the classroom. Depressing.
Stop Press 3: Mark Dolan on talkRADIO delivered a satisfying rant against forcing children to wear face masks in classrooms.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. In February, Facebook deleted the GBD’s page because it “goes against our community standards”. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional, although that case, too, has been refused permission to proceed. There’s still one more thing that can be tried. You can read about that and contribute here.
The GoodLawProject and three MPs – Debbie Abrahams, Caroline Lucas and Layla Moran – brought a Judicial Review against Matt Hancock for failing to publish details of lucrative contracts awarded by his department and it was upheld. The Court ruled Hancock had acted unlawfully.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.” Further information available here.
There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who also submitted a retraction request, which was rejected in February.
And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
Lockdown Sceptics reader David Kelly has come into possession of a leaked list of pledges inadvertently missed off the Conservative Party’s last election manifesto. Maybe they’ll include them next time?
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Firsties!
Hungries!
Eaties, drinkies!
So says the richest woman on the planet.
Nope. As selfish as it will sound, if everyone looked after their own health first maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. A nation of fatties with health conditions brought on, in the main, by what they stick in their gobs and a lack of exercise. If we want to save the NHS, let’s save it from those causing the most strain on it – those described above (and I say this as an ex-NHS employee).
save the NHS for what? put the bloody thing out of its misery at last. I agree- let everyone take back control of their own health – and that includes making their own arrangements to pay for medical care
OK, let’s first start with upping the minimum wage to allow those already on the poverty line in borderline jobs to afford health insurance – and to hell with those born with disabilities, such a drain, eh? And you of course would turn away a NHS ambulance should you collapse with a heart attack in the street?
We spend as a nation £12k per year for a family of 4 on health. You can get BUPA for that, so where does all the money go, then? Not on the patients.
I cannot defend the blatant wastages and inefficiencies of the NHS system, much of which has been because of successive governments of all stripes imposing new ideas, dogma, agendas. rules, management layers, trusts, PFI etc. Nevertheless, we have as a nation contributed £trillions to this worthy idea, and it SHOULD work for the whole nation. Instead it had been run down, leaving it deliberately vulnerable to any crisis. The King’s Fund put it clearly in March 2020: The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. The UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health systems. This manufactured C19 care ‘crisis’ is due to agenda driven spending policies, not lack of UK resources. And now a deliberate year on year underspending (or woefully inefficient and poorly targeted spending, which I think is more the point) on the NHS has backfired in spectacular fashion, the government propaganda machine shunts the blame onto those that might need care as opposed… Read more »
Agree – the NHS has been collapsing for decades and the Coof is the perfect cover for this
Precisely. And BUPA doesn’t cost anywhere near that. We have friends who have paid £70 per month all their working lives into a private insurance scheme. They never use the NHS but have effectively paid twice for their healthcare.
Fuck the NHS it is shite, I’ve had 3 opps in 55 years and I’ve paid for them all as the waiting times on the NHS were unacceptable.
For the most part I’m not going to dispute that, rather I’m asking WHY is it ‘shite’ given the colossal infrastructural spending and goodwill that set it up, and the hundreds of billions pumped in every year to keep it going?
Many of us have horror stories to tell about the NHS, from unnecessary deaths (or near deaths) of our nearest and dearest via outright incompetence to outrageous neglect, but why should it be this way?
Then you look at a pillock like Matt Hancock, and you understand immediately the real value this government places on sorting out the deep problems of NHS; other than giving it away to USA private equity.
“Stay at home, protect the crumbling NHS, and save Hancock’s a**”
Bad as he is and Hancock is indeed very bad , the now utter uselessness of the bloated NHS has been many years in the making. There is now very little left to save and it should be slimmed down to a first rate emergency and trauma unit, while the rest is privatised. For obvious reasons, US controlled companies should be barred from running any of these services, but of course that won’t happen.
The NHS has been run down deliberately by successive neo-liberal governments. It remains a fine and entirely workable idea, it should be at the centre of the UK’s social and health, but too many corrupt and incompetent politicians have been involved in undermining it. As for USA private equity, it’s already happening.
https://www.nhsforsale.info/private-providers/the-practice-group-ltd-new/
HS has been privatised for years. Most doctors medical centres are private entities. Many small operations units are private but use the NHS logo because they handle the overflow of local hospitals. Our dentists and opticians have moved away from the NHS and become private entities. We just are not to.d about the amount of privatisation that has gone on for years.
President Trump said he wouldn’t touch the NHS with a barge pole which is why he stopped Obamacare as it was based on a lie whereby crony politicians could make money out of the taxpayer.
Because US corporations, or their CEO’s are in bed with The Pilgrimj Society of the UK
No, lets start with copying the system in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Holland, Japan, Australia etc etc.
None of these countries have a 2nd world NHS, they’ve all got 1st world health care, no one goes without healthcare, they don’t have to die waiting for care unlike here and you’d be lynched if you suggested downgrading their healthsystem to an NHS in all those countries.
Stop the bleeding scare tactics and take a look round the world at what works!!!
Scare tactics? Given this omnishambles of a government don’t you think it is justified?
This country does not have the GDP per head to approach the necessary contributions to copy the semi-private German system, nor the ingrained corporate financial discipline to make it work.
Everything here is quick buck cronyism, and then walk (or run) away from the consequences, we saw it with PFI. We also saw it with supposedly protected public utilities. We are now seeing it with Covid.
The UK runs a Food Bank serf culture, benefit dependency, temp jobs, high rents and a minimum wage that would hardly cover the average total monthly health insurance contribution in Germany. The UK elites don’t want the educational and structural changes that will strengthen and enrich the working class, and would rather have the current mess than upping the GDP per head.
The purpose of a health system is to provide healthcare, not to provide jobs.
Many countries with lower GDP than UK run the Social Insurance model.
How many more centuries do you want to run the failed NHS model for before admitting it doesn’t work and there is a reason the only other countries that have an NHS are Venezuela and N Korea.
Anyone who actually wants good healthcare for the working classes woukd prefer the Social Insurance model.
NHS lovers want to keep the working class as 2nd rate supplicants without a choice accepting the benevolence of their betters.
The world usually takes the best ideas and develops them for their own countries. No one but Obama in USA has ever thought of copying the NHS. That should tell everyone what a scam our health care is
We would be better off slimming down government and giving tax back to the workers. If this country had a flat rate of 5% tax and then a small 2% purchase tax on imported goods, most people would find they could provide excellent health care programmes for their families. If you divide the £billions paid into NHS by the 66 million legal citizens you will find our health care is shockingly expensive in comparison to countries who have an insurance based system.
I couldn’t agree more.
If people want to eat themselves to death that’s their business. Same as my freedom isn’t anyone else’s business.
Completely agree. Your body, your choice. But that’s the real strain of the NHS – not covid. My taxes go to pay for other peoples poor life choices and now their choices will be limiting my freedoms if vaccine passports come into fruition.
Everyone pays national insurance, vat etc. I’d rather campaign against tax theft.
National Insurance doesn’t fund the NHS. It’s taxes. But agree on the tax theft.
It’s all theft, to pay for to much government, I don’t care where it goes.
Not everyone pays national insurance.
Can you not see where this fundamental contradiction is going? You can’t have it both ways without coercion, which is what lockdown sceptics are avowedly against. What you are really saying is ‘Your body, OUR choice’.
As long as one is part of the OUR.
If you want to go down this blame game, one has to look at the wider picture, the corruption and the corporate profiteering in Pharma, Energy, Food supply etc. Better ask why Tesco can sell processed food cheaper than the raw ingredients? Why are the fuel prices required to cook food so artificially high? Also the unequal opportunities in education, jobs and training to break out of the poverty cycle. Working class people generally ate very healthily in the ’50s and ’60s, so what has happened? University education was also free then btw.
So many politically driven structural changes have deliberately created a poverty line serf nation, which is now proving to be so inconvenient for the previous beneficiaries of this inequity.
I don’t disagree with you on many of your points, but essentially, it’s personal responsibility. You’re born with one body – look after it or shit hits the fan. We live in a corrupt system whereby money matters most and ‘science’ is twisted to sell a product. There’s no coercion going on – if you want to eat yourself into a state – that’s your choice. No one has a gun to your head and I’m not going to tell you what to do and I’ll still pay my taxes to fund that. I’m simply pointing out that the ‘health’ system isn’t about health – it’s about money and we all have a responsibility to ourselves to ensure that system works better. Just throwing more money at it all the time is pointless if you don’t get to the root cause. It’s like putting a bigger plaster/band aid on it all the time hoping it will get better. With regards to processed food being cheaper – most of it isn’t food. It’s fillers and chemicals and additives. There’s little of the raw food in it, hence a cheaper cost. Maybe if we all learnt to cook from scratch rather than… Read more »
You’re born with one body – look after it or shit hits the fan. As I have already said, it is not about the one’s willingness to look after one’s body or those of one’s family, but the financial and time resources to do so if living a poverty line existence. Two minimum wages are required to try and keep the family going. This is not the 50s or 60s, where one wage would suffice, with mum at home to cook ‘proper’ meals. ‘Mum’ can’t afford to do that any more, she’s off doing a night shift in a care home to make ends meet to pay the rent. And so the unregulated supermarkets move in to cynically fill the gap with processed crap – yet are actively encouraged to do so by successive governments via a bent tax system. Food banks do not provide choice, just processed subsistence living. Further, the presence of food banks allows supermarkets to keep overcharging punters for basic items as the supply and demand equation is effectively compromised. It’s a vicious circle. Too many people at the top are way, way out of touch with poverty line Britain, and are now turning on the… Read more »
Correct. The financialisation of everything since the early 70s has created the society and economy we live in. It was only a matter of time before the air we breathe ( carbon taxes) and our bodies ( vaccine certificates) become commoditised as well.
I agree people need to take responsibility. The longest queue I am seeing right now is at a drive through McDonalds. The US have just said that 2/3 of their Covid fatalties were clinically obese (which comes as no surprise) and I suspect it’s the same here. If they had wanted to do something useful the Govt should have been promoting good food and healthly lifestyles instead of bleating out all the lies and propaganda. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, all restrictions are actually harmful to health and immunity.
Yes Suzyv I agree – having done my 87 year old Mothers (she isnt taking The Mark of the Beast) shopping on a Sunday morning for many months, I drive past the towns McDonalds and yes there is ALWAYS a queue.
Just to say, this can’t be the mark of the beast as written in Revelation, because there is no Antichrist to worship yet. I do believe though that it is is preparing the way for the Antichrist system and the mark of the beast.
Antichrist? What about Bill Gates.
We’re not commanded to worship him yet, but time will tell.
Xi? Biden? Schwab?
Harris is obviously the Whore of Babylon.
In reality the 2/3s died because they were fat, not because their death certificate had covid on it.
Shh! Being fat is the only unhealthy lifestyle choice that we’re supposed to pretend is not just OK, but something to be actually celebrated.
You mean those DIY anti-leukaemia kits sold at Tesco? Or compulsory accident insurance in case some boy racer consigns you to a lifetime of painful disability, not to mention depriving your family of the man breadwinner? I mean, where does it end? Why not start with a basic competence test for government health ministers with the results published for all to see?
Well for instance, you can cut sugar out of your diet. If everyone did this, and the NHS still had exactly the same budget and no other reforms, it could have coped significantly better with its obligations over the past year.
Accidents are something completely different to what I was talking about – you know this. I’m talking about the main pressure on the NHS which is people’s life choices. Heart Disease, cancer, diabetes, COPD . . . the main causes of death come from one simple point on our bodies: our mouths and what we stick in them coupled with a sedentary lifestyle. Change that, and you change the admissions in hospitals. But the NHS is a business and being healthy isn’t good for business be that for medical and pharmaceutical companies or the NHS.
Why is it that the greatest cure for life is to change what we put in our mouths is seen as something alien, but pumping ourselves with drugs and a ‘pill for every ill’ has become the norm and something we should esteem?
Look back at the last 11 months and you have your answer. The Supermarkets have been given free licence by the government to profiteer and force the newly unemployed (due to this lockdown) to sign up to their club card schemes – or miss out on those price reductions necessary to make ends meet.
As I said in another reply, the price of raw food ingredients + energy is deliberately much higher than processed crap, so the processed crap companies make mega profits. Enforced supermarket shopping is a scam worthy of the mafia, and the likes of Tescos should be hit with a massive lockdown windfall tax to be ploughed straight back into the NHS.
People WILL eat properly, if by doing so it does not impact on their ability to make ends meet at the end of the month. Currently, for poverty-line UK, it does.
Agreed – see my reply above this one. =)
Totally agree. So many issues here: 1) So many people have no real understanding of what constitutes a decent diet, and proper home cooking. This is because: 2) Basic cooking has not been taught in schools for many years (the old ‘domestic science’, or whatever, has become ‘food technology’, where pupils eg design a box for pizza; certainly the case a few years ago). And because it’s not been taught in schools, it’s increasingly less likely to have been taught at home…; 3) Most ‘official’ advice (eg the ‘Eatwell’ model, emphasising high carbs/low fat) is the exact opposite of what more discerning dieticians (eg Zoë Harcombe, Ivor Cummins and many others) advocate, ie low carbs, plenty of ‘good’ fats. The former leads to diabetes, the latter tends to prevent it; 4) The likes of Deliveroo and Just Eat are actively undermining the value of home cooking, all the time planting the subversive seed that it’s too difficult/time-consuming/etc. Their underlying message is designed to totally disempower a whole generation, to try to ensure that they never experience the satisfaction of cooking eg a lovely basic pasta dish with green salad, fruit, bread and cheese. And God forbid that this generation should… Read more »
so true, you can eat cheaply and still eat very heathy food
Remember those the NHS classify as overweight live longer and have a better survival rate from surgery.
Could be a coincidence or maybe the PC NHS got this wrong as well.
When we wake to the tyranny, stop believing in the lies, then the men and women of this country will realise our power. But as sick and propagandised peoples we won’t. (I don’t include myself in this!
Another reason for a republic.What is the point of the monarchy when they join with the oppressors against the people.
A republic isn’t exactly a guarantee against oppression.
RUBBISH! LOOK at the French.
They FIGHT for their dignity and rights!
They are FAR MORE socially conservative than UKers.
ALSO, their aristocracy are actually a sophisticted and educated bunch.
When you think of the TRASHYNESS of the so-called Royal Family!
Low-level TRASH!
The British are PATHETIC for doffing their caps to these creepers: I GIVE UP!
Not really. The French aren’t exactly taking to the streets at the moment, more the Italians and Poles. The Dutch (and they’re a monarchy) riots put the French to shame.
Their aristocracy are no different to ours – many of them are not exactly sophisticated and educated. As my father-in-law (who is a historian of 18th century France) puts it, that’s more the upper middle class Parisians but the rest of France is no different to your average Joe here.
And I don’t doff my cap to the monarchy. I come from a country that calls itself a republic but its clearly not (more like an oligarchy) so I don’t exactly subscbrie to the view that a republic is the magic bullet that will cure society.
Then there’s no point in society.
Just give up on everything.
Try and enjoy it before the inevitable totalitarianism comes.
It’s OVER.
Future generations WON’T look back in horror, like people always say ( they always say that as if history has a natural curve towards justice ) as there WILL BE no free future generations.
This is how it ends.
IT’S OVER, FOLKS!
IF YOU LIVE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE?
IT’S AN ISLAND: THEY ARE COMING TO STARVE YOU OUT OF YOUR HOME UNLESS YOU TAKE THE JAB.
THEY HATE THEIR KIDS! YOUR NEIGHBOUR IS A SADISTIC MURDERER!
Actually I think that farmers in Lyon would beg to differ.
Hear hear. Here in Ireland, we are a “Republic” – however, our “President” signed the necessary lockdown legislation into law without batting an eyelid. Our constitution has been shown to be worthless.
Yep. And its no different to say Italy or Czech Republic or Austria…..
Head of state in CR (Milos Zeman) is a senile imbecile.
Same in USA
Yes, I think I will recant my recent irritated conversion to republicanism. Still very very disappointed with Queenie, but the thought of who the British people might be capable of electing (President Piers Morgan anyone?) has sobered me up.
Still think they need to go back to being strictly apolitical, so Charles has absolutely disqualified himself by his involvement in the highly political WEF agenda (which, like all technocracy, presents itself as above politics, but is not).
And I agree with Nomad, the state remains the problem. We can debate the merits of various systems, but none is a panacea. I read one of Omar Khan’s pieces yesterday, in which he argues that only by people personally engaging can anything be achieved. This remains the case whatever the system in place.
I agree but what is the monarch for if they will not intervene when a government abuses its power.
It is in fact worse than that,the Queen has been co opted into the government propaganda machine and the heir to the throne is a mouthpiece for the WEF.
Bringing out The Queen at this late stage simply emphasises their desperation.
It’s a modern mutant variation on Boswell quoting Samuel Johnson.
‘Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels’.
1727.
Exactly – they’re desperate.
Yep.
Same in Germany.
No takers for the AZ gene therapy.
My sources in CZ Rep (only from one town in this case) tell me that people (esp. older cohort) do not want AZ because ‘it is not very effective’. Apparently, they favour Pfizer. There is a word-of-mouth grapevine and this is the consensus in the town. (Seems info on Pfizer’s fraudulent past is not getting out, but then it isn’t really getting out properly anywhere, is it?)
You have three chances to get a vaccination: You can refuse two, if it is not the vaccine you prefer, but third refusal is your last chance.
“…last chance.”
Or what? They’ll leave you alone, or force it on you?
Good point. Although to clarify it should be remembered that Johnson meant the appeal to patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel. He had no problem with patriotism itself. The quote is often mis-used to suggest there is something wrong with a love of one’s country.
Who has had all her expected lifespan (and more) given her age. Not to mention if she gets a vax injury she can afford the best healthcare there is. Personally – I have an expected lifespan of 15 years to go and can’t afford that level of healthcare if injured. So – thanks all the same Yer Maj but I never listened to you anyway and won’t be listening now. As far as I’m concerned – the only difference between us anyway is your surname is Windsor and you have a lot more money than I do/more well-known than I am. I can’t see any other differences – so why would I listen to you?
It’s the war with Germany in 1914, the royal family changed their name.
The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917.
Her long life is down to the best a wealthy life can afford, nothing else.
No, sorry, we all know we are Germans and we speak a Germanic language, English. That’s not racism, it’s fact, Fritz. Sorry, I meant Friedrich.
Germans are not a race though
stop being a twat
Xenophobia – yes
Just don’t mention the war !
Not a fan of the adrenochrome/Satanism/lizard genes explanations then, cloud6 ? 🙂
Et tu Queenie.
Isn’t she supposed to be apolitical
Also, I thought they were fans of homeopathy? I’m not sure I believe they have had the vaccine.
I would be very surprised if the Royal Family have been anywhere near this vaccine. They live long lives partly through privilege and because they use Homeopathy and Naturopathy. It’s a disgrace that they have allowed themselves to promote this dangerous “medical treatment”. Although from my research the Royal Family are equally involved in this “fraud” along with Govts.
They are DISGUSTING TRAITORS to the British people.
I… can’t… believe how EVIL they are. NO WAY did the rebranded ‘Royal Family’ receive the vaccine.
They are LIEING!
And for centuries the British people have been doffing their caps to these morons.
I need to leave this country. If I had the means I would. My own monarch wants to experiment on me.
They are SICK DEVILS.
And anyone here who is a monarchist needs to understand this now. Face up to it.
I used to support the monarchy.
Anyone who supports them here now is frankly a joke.
I think it’s safe to say ONE of them has been. He’s in hospital at the tender age of 99 having contracted covid-19 AFTER his vaccine.
But it’s safe and effective. For whom and at what, no one is sure.,
Yes, I did wonder what he had been into hospital for. They never did say, did they? It was quite obvious to me.
Nor do i think they had the ‘vaccine’. what on earth would possess their doctors to inject them with something that had not been tested at all on people of their age? They probably think they had it but i bet it was a placebo of some sort
Philip is ill now – very soon after he’s probably had the 2nd dose of the vax and so it may well be that they had the real deal.
The reason it didn’t hurt, Brenda, is that they left the cap on the needle when they “jabbed” you.
Maybe she had the homeopathic dose of the vaccine? Hold a bottle of vaccine close to a syringe of saline. The crucial molecule transports homeopathically into the syringe and bingo, job’s a good ‘un.
Yes, it’s always been discreetly known that they’re massively into homeopathy. That maybe why they live so long!
Not sure how this sits with taking the vax; looks well-intentioned but misguided. The point is surely not whether the jab hurts at the time, but what the side-effects are hours/months/years later!!!
Total crickets while the sovereignty of our country is handed over to an unelected foreign cabal but any sign of vaccine hesitancy she is right out there with the emotional blackmail and soft coercion.
Rather disappointing but of course she would be made to say that. Wheeling her out shows that the government are really desperate as a vaccine take up has slowed down and people are starting to wonder why are we still locked down despite the target age group already vaccinated.
Methinks as well the royals’ complicity with this NHS worship is apart from the NHS being the new State Religion, they’re atoning as bearing in mind George VI was opposed to the creation of the NHS.
Then WHAT are they FOR?
Bear in mind that in both cases, most of the money goes on salaries, wages and pensions for employees.
But that doesn’t entitle either the Queen or the Arch-traitor of Cant-erbury to stick needles in our arms.
Many of this “fantastical wealth” isn’t exactly Her Majesty’s. The palaces and the Royal Collection are all state owned. And the latter is self funded and doesn’t recieve funding from the government.
But yeah, this intervention is ill-advised. The courtier who didn’t think of that should resign.
Ill-advised? Are you SERIOUS?
LOOK! THIS is the time for the monarch to INTERVENE.
That she does NOT shows she is a TRAITOR to her people.
How can you possibly go on supporting her?
Do you have ANY IDEA the seriousness of this effectively mandatory vaccine and the resetting of the economy? Of course you do.
You know, I GIVE UP: The British people will be doffing their cap to their alleged ‘betters’ just as they always have done.
FREE? Pathetic!
I do not support her but having studied this country’s political system, its not as black and white as it looks. As I said somewhere here, I did wish that she should have opposed this from the word go but that would have triggered a constitutional crisis and set a bad precedent no matter how noble the cause is.
The fact that the government has to wheel her out shows how desperate they’ve become. For all we know she might have done us a favour and discredit this government even more.
I think we should just agree to disagree and please stop shouting at me. Your caps give me that impression.
NONSENSE!
THIS is the time for a constitutional crisis.
NOW!
THEY are introducing TOTALITARIANISM and SHE supports it.
The idea that it actually matters whether there is a constitutional crisis…
IF the scum get away with this, and her son SEEMS to be one of them, then there WILL BE NO LIBERTY and MANY will be sterilized and/or DIE.
YOU obviously don’t realise the PERIL we are in right now.
THIS is WORSE than the NAZIS.
They are coming for YOU!
Indeed, we are now at the thinnish end of a rapidly thickening totalitarian wedge. The Windsors long ago bought into the plebs must go routine, if they are to save the world from impending environmental catastrophe. Saving the world for themselves. of course.
They are traitors.
IF we get through this, they should step down and have the majority of their property taken away.
They can keep a manor house or two but they should be divested of all their serious property.
They are partaking in mass experimentation and possible sterilization of their countrymen and women.
And there some on here who support them?
PATHETIC!
I take your point as well. I’m not too sure about the cosseted life – maybe physically but I can imagine the huge mental toll being a royal must take. One simply has to look at the Harry Markle shit show.
I don’t really have a view one way or another about the monarchy but having come from a republic and an unstable and corrupt one. I don’t subscribe to the view that a republic is a magic cure all.
kh, I agree with what you said about Harry & Meghan 100% – many of my colleagues were gushing about the wedding but I wasn’t. They thought I was a sourpuss when I predicted that she won’t last and they as a couple will bring misery to the Queen.
When the shit hit the fan one of my colleagues asked me if I was a fortune teller. No, I replied, I can see bullshit because I have a low tolerance for it.
There are the hangers-on – the lords and ladies in waiting, the equarries, the security, the catering staff, all vetted to the n’th degree.
As I put it last night, the regime has cashed in its queeny chips.
The monarchy is a resource whose value lies for the most part in reserve. When revealed and spent, the result is likely to be disappointing and permanently damage the monarchy.
For a government to shoot its queeny bolt is either desperate or deranged and hubristic.
They’re burning through the National Treasures as fast as the national treasure.
What’s next? A class of six year olds pleading with us to get jabbed so they can get back to school and hug granny?
Don’t give them ideas…
An advert with a CGI baby face telling mummy to get the jab so she won’t die and leave baby alone in the world…This will be next.
Like Wim Duisenberg said: “We’re like whipped cream. The more you beat us, the stiffer we get.”
OK, this will cut my viagra bill no end.
It’s probably another sign that the vaccine take up has been much lower than they’ve been claiming officially. Attacking the BAME community for not having it hasn’t worked, so now they’re trying to guilt trip the rest of us.
They can’t exactly attack the BAME community as the R card would be used and of course many of them are in the NHS. Plus as we know the uptake among NHS staff is very low as well.
Well, they’ve spared no expense encouraging abuse of the BAME community by whomever in the Daily Mail comment section. Bleeds into other pro-jab article comments as well.
Sunak’s wife is richer
Sad to see the leader of our National church embracing the saviour of the new Covidian religion. Her churches have become empty of Christ worshippers, due to the law, but full of those believing that death can be avoided by an experimental vaccine. With new rituals, new leaders, an NHS to worship and an eradication of normal Christianity, this new cult has everything. I’ll be giving the cult and its vaccine saviour a miss.
It’s worse than that. Churches, at least in England and Wales, are ‘permitted’ to open, but many have taken the decision to remain closed despite that. We can get a McDonald’s takeaway but we can’t partake of the Body and Blood of Christ.
Sums it up. The churches have abandoned God for the zCovid devil. The Covid devil will make sure that they get what they deserve, in full measure, pressed down and running over.
What enrages me about what she said is that it’s nothing to do whether the “ prick” hurts or not! It’s the whole experimental aspect she doesn’t seem to cotton on! That says a lot about her lack of awareness of medical mafia and the evil purpose of big pharma, or even her intelligence! It was a ridiculous intervention on her part!
I doubt she has access to the same sources that we have. I don’t see her as the type who surfs the Internet looking for information.
Her husband is having to spend weeks in hospital shortly after having the jab. Hardly an advert for it is it? I think the cadaverous old Karen would be better off keeping her gob shut.
Adrenochrome has become a whole lot more believable thanks to covid and the vaccine. My pessimism on the existence of this evil drug is being challenged by the hideous behaviour of the establishment/medical world this past year.
God save the Queef
Not to worry; when the inevitable inquest occurs, her place in it will be assured. I don’t want this country to be a republic, but any more of this unnecessary crap from her and I might be persuaded.
THIS is when a monarch who gave a damn would intervene.
She is a TRAITOR to the British people.
REPUBLIC NOW!
Or let some other pretender step forth!
France could ban ‘confusing’ gender neutral words that ‘endanger the language’ under law proposed by 60 MPs We need politicians like this here.
After reflection on the headline, i’m worried exactly what words they mean!
The person who wrote the article hasn’t a clue.
Don’t shoot the messenger. I don’t actually read the daily fail, just the headlines & comments. LOL
Sure, not blaming you!
I once made a small comparative study of newspaper reports on the same subject, and realised that none of the reporters had actually investigated or reported anything. They just adapted what had been sent by (usually) Reuters by putting in into the style of their own particular rag.
Investigative journalism went out the window years ago, they’re just corporate shills now, as you say Reuters makes it up & distributes it.
I used to call them ‘Rotters’ when I was a hack.
There’s a better report in the Telegraph, which details the madness a lot better.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/french-woke-get-way-gender-inclusive-terms-will-turn-language/
I smell proper revolution on the horizon. It needs to catch on here… fast!
Can the government force you to have the coronavirus vaccine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBrzN7d3qw&list=WL&index=30
Calming UK Report: 244 died, Including 8 Miscarriages, but these are “Short Term Effects”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KzM9VF3zd8&list=WL&index=30
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UK government reports over 240 deaths shortly after coronavirus vaccination
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-02-24-uk-government-reports-deaths-after-coronavirus-vaccination.html
Muscarriage is a short-term effect?
There was me thinking it was something that the woman concerned remembered for the rest of her life (assuming she’s one that chose to conceive that child)….
So death is a short term effect? strabge that, I always thought it was final? Obviously I wrong.
I suppose death is short-term for a zombie. It’s living death that goes on, and on, and on.
I thought the zombie meme was a load of bs until something worse appeared – the Maskies.
Well, there’s death, non-fatal death, short-term death, trivial death, Really Serious Death, and Covid-Sadlideath, which trumps all the others.
😂
The deaths of unborn children due to the vaccine in the trials and post vaccine in the roll-out are not counted as deaths so not included in fatalities- maybe that’s what they mean here. If anyone is or may be / get pregnant, they should definitely not have the jab whatever the GP practice / vaccinator says.
The essence of feminism.
The right to murder your own child.
Can we just accept here that men may be weak these days but that women are in fact EVIL?
Brave, FuoL, brave.
(You’re not married, are you ? 🙂 ).
So much for prison being punishment Prisoners will NOT jump vaccine queue: Downing Street quashes rumour that inmates will get Covid jab ahead of other groups I really don’t mind if they have mine.
Yes, if we give them our jabs and they sadlidie then they won’t reoffend, and we will have dodged that bullet, while burnishing our virtue-signalling credentials. I see no downside, here.
Your right to think and act freely is CANCELLED: A newsreader forced out for quoting Shakespeare, and a top author ostracised for standing up for women… Author argues that was just the prologue to a new age of thought censorship Don’t know if anyone noticed, but that’s not the only freedoms we’ve lost! We are all under house arrest & turns your body your choice, isn’t actually true.
but it’s interesting to note isn’t it, that freedom of speech was the first to go, and then all the rest quickly followed – almost as if freedom of speech is the one that underpins them all
I can think of other words to describe it 😉
An interesting point , Jane because it is an opinion more prevalent and deeply held than one might think .
A few years ago, the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta, there was an exhibition at Durham Cathedral about Magna Carta and its consequences and relevance down the centuries both here and in US. Every visitor was given a small token and at the end of the tour you posted the token in one of several large glass bottles representing what one might call “freedoms ” or “rights” eg the right to vote, equality for women , right to own property , etc. The bottle with overwhelmingly the most entries , in fact overflowing, was ” freedom of speech”. .
That would have been the maskers. 🙂
Was there even a bottle for the 2nd ?
I think there is a better case for the Right to Bear Arms being the one that underpins all the others.
I wasn’t aware of the Queen making an intervention on behalf of the governments por-vaccine quest last night, but I did find it interesting, and slightly disturbing that there was, apparently no mention of Phillip.
Considering that he has been in hospital for the past ten days with what has been described only as “an infection” the thought does strike me that he perhaps has suffered an adverse reaction to a second dose. The first was widely reported in mid Jan, and presumably they would not have been made to wait three months for the second like the rest of the plebs. That would have put the the second around the furst week in February, and he was admitted on the 14th or 15th.
He’s 90 odd he’s going to die very soon, if he hasn’t already. No surprise about that.
And even if he did die ‘of covid’ or ‘with covid’ it wouldn’t be reported as that as he’s had the ‘vaccine’ which would hurt the narrative.
Of or with vaccine is more damaging, politically.
There has long been rumours that the reason why Phil is in hospital is because he’s developed side effects from the vaccine.
The Queen’s intervention on behalf of the government shows desperation on their part and what are the odds that HM and HRH were not told of the side effects? My father-in-law had the vaccine and he wasn’t told what are the side effects. Cue a few days later he felt pain, pins & needles feeling and developed a nasty skin rash. Of course that worried the doctor as he’s also on medication for gout.
People please get with the narrative
They did not die from the vaccine they died with the vaccine
Gibbery
Jabbery
Hokery
Pokery,
Sheeples get jabbery,
Only to croakery.
Poetry 🙂
The Great Lockdown Debate An over statement, one side had no idea how viruses work & the other back tracked to appease the covidians, scared he’d be compared to Piers Corbyn. To be fair either Mike Yeadon was wrong about herd immunity or covid doesn’t exist, Toby Young can’t sit on the fence any longer. A GP, Dr Clare Jones Good on her, she knows its poison! How Effective Are the Vaccines? At what? Killing people? No better or worse than Covid-19. Preventing transmission? Evidently the government have no faith in them, why else are we still in lockup? They clearly don’t even think they will save their NHS. Because if the “vaccines” worked why all the coercive pressure to force people to take them. On a more cheering note, deaths are plummeting now. Could that be because the virus has burnt itself out, killing all those most vulnerable? Lockdown States Suffer More Deaths Than No-Lockdown States You can run but you can’t hide! Be stuck indoors with carrier is guaranteed infection. Party slogans Covid is fraud. “Where did our human rights go?” Human rights only matter at times of emergency, this shitshow proved we never had any. “‘Socialist’ Jacinda… Read more »
To be fair either Mike Yeadon was wrong about herd immunity or covid doesn’t exist
I’m not sure what you mean? Genuine question.
Pretty solid post btw, although I’m not sure about the last statement.
Obsolete in the sense everyone’s ignoring it!
Ok, still not sure about your Yeadon point though.
I’m very intrigued as to whether Yeadon was right or wrong, or both, on herd immunity last fall. Not to score points, but just as an understanding of the virus spread.
Was fucking herd immunity.
Only, can’t you see they have LOWERED immunity of the population through deliberately dangerous SOCIAL DISTANCING and then mask wearing?!
It is to PROLONG the virus.
This is deliberately planned longterm BIOTERRORISM against the populations of the West.
I suspect in was indeed in large part herd immunity. But perhaps, with the suppression by the spring weather last May, the virus hadn’t yet fully reached all parts of society, and thus they saw their first wave come winter.
Other than that, fiddled figures, lower general immunity owing to LD measures, increased and more serious infections owing to mask wearing, and flu mis-diagnoisis, probably accounts for the ‘second wave’.
Happy to hear contrary arguments though.
Odd though. When we were in NZ some years ago, we flew over the Franz Josef glacier in a chopper because it’s the only way you can get to see it properly. And plutocrats we weren’t, living a happy life in NZ motels (invariably excellent, and pretty cheap) and doing our own catering.
Pfizer Begins Tests to Determine Effectiveness of COVID-19 Booster Another nice money spinner.
Did you read Left Lockdown Sceptics yesterday? Big Pharma due to make $23 billion a year from so-called vaccines
Covid: More than 35% of UK adults have had first jab dose – how does your area compare? There will be a database of names you can check next.
Link is broken.
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-25/covid-more-than-35-of-uk-adults-have-had-first-jab-dose-how-does-your-area-compare
Me and my bestie are going out today, as we have done since lockdown began to meet as many of you as possible. We ‘re going to act like we’re healthy, cos we are and look people in the eye and say we are not a disease vector. You can embrace paranoia, but we’re not. You may know my bestie. He’s called my immune system.
Have a good time, Patrick.
Enjoy!!!!
Drug used to treat head lice and scabies might be the key to beating Covid-19, study says Is this news?
Probably bad news for nits.
And parasites.
And scabs.
And flu.
None flu over the cuckoo’s nest.
Is that the same drug that you could only use once a year because it was so toxic?
Probably, I try to steer clear of all man made synthetic drugs. Nature can generally provide safer alternatives. That’s not to say nature doesn’t have its deadly toxins too!
Stupid headline but Ivermectin finally getting more mention in the msm is a step in the right direction.
Slightly off piste here ,but for all sceptics languishing in this increasingly divided , divisive and heavily indebted country, the following should resonate: https://www.scotlandmatters.co.uk/2021/02/18/stronger-for-scotland-its-a-no-from-me/ Scotland Matters has started its billboard campaign, with the first, in Greenock, attracting much support . So, we have a chance to Stop The Sturgeonator by voting on May 6th. What has shocked and dismayed me is to have learnt today, thanks to Scotland Matters, that no public appearances, nor even leafletting, will be permitted in the run up to the election date. She Who Must Be Obeyed has used the draconian lockdown restrictions to deny fully effective participation to campaigners.What kind of a democracy is this? So, pizza leaflets can be delivered, as can doorstep takeaway deliveries, Amazon deliveries etc, while she continues to make the most of her daily telly appearances, soap box at the ready. This cultish control creep must be challenged; it must be stopped. We’re confined until April 26th-following which Tiers for Fears will be resurrected- and then expected to vote in a frankly rigged election process, before joyously celebrating the plans for another neverendum. Fear rules here; opposing opinions are withheld, for fear of persecution and pile ons, social and… Read more »
The upcoming Scottish elections are a farce
That is a single-party dictatorship. People need to get out and campaign. Spread leaflets. DO IT! It is NOT TRUE. You have a “reasonable excuse” and that’s the LAW.
Goebbels would be proud ! Propaganda, agit prop and denial of media time, leafletting and campaigning to the opposition.
It is shameful.
I can’t even get to grips why the Salmond scandal is allowed to continue, why do his accusers get anonymity if he was acquitted?
If he’s found innocent then they must by definition they must be false accusations, so we should all be able to hear the dirt on Sturg-un, in itself it’s a scandal.
Salmond’s testimony: The bits the Crown Office didn’t want you to hear
All formerly accepted, tried and trusted legal, social, economic and democratic norms appear to have been subjected to the new fluid, post truth ideology so gleefully promoted by the cabal whichrules the Holyrood roost.
What the hell is this going on with this site, ATL. We have an article about how effective are the vaccines and an insert of ‘that is encouraging.’ Where is the data of adverse reactions, the literature from the pharma companies on their limited trials, no known data on medium to long term effects, on fertility, on contraindications with other drugs, the point this is on emergency licence, our rights of non coerce, mandated drugs, the red line forced drugs crosses regarding our right to body autonomy and so on. Why is this site constantly pushing the positives of enforced vaccination and not, with the same fervour fighting the right to decline state medication, particularly for a non lethal virus and an experimental drug . I would rather see articles of how wrong this whole policy is, questions of where our human rights lawyers are etc., Instead of constantly promoting the perceived positives of a rushed, experimental, fill my boots with cash for those connected, drug experiment.
And in addition, why is this site not questioning the claims about antibodies – how are they actually coming to their conclusions about the vaccines creating antibodies. In a controlled trial yes, but on a willy, nilly vaccinate everything that moves, how are they coming to these conclusion – is every person, or a large percentage of vaccinated returning for blood tests on antibodies. I think not … Please LS start doing some investigative journalism or at least start questioning the narrative.
Not to mention the censorship & editing of comments. Already lost comments to approval this morning.
Did they include more than one link?That automatically goes for ‘approval’, irrespective of content.
I know, but i did accuse TY of sitting on the fence.
It’s up now ‘an hour ago’
Yes,I tried asking a simple question last week about a supposedly anti-lockdown group who were sending me e-mails that I’d like to know more about and it kept getting deleted. I just wonder why.
We need to ask MPs, and journalists need to ask MPs (URGENTLY), the following question: Are you pushing relentlessly and obsessively for people to have this vaccine a) because you actually think they need this vaccine (because most people don’t), or b) because you know that you and your colleagues have already DECIDED to try to force the people of this country to be subjected to a digital ID system that will attempt to require people to carry around a device that monitors their every move, carries all their medical information and gives them “credits” for good behaviour that they can exchange for goods and services, because you have accepted some deranged notion that this is the only way to “save the planet“ and you have accepted that this is going to be imposed on the people of this country? And if ANY version of the latter is true, are you aware that this is tyrannical, unethical, immoral and completely antithetical to British sensibilities? Ask it. Demand answers, NOW! Because if they have already acted, agreed, signed up to ANY version of this… we need to know and put a stop to it… NOW Do you see what I’m saying.… Read more »
Why do you think they’re so obsessed with 5G, surveillance!
It is indeed now looking very sinister, nearly 19 million people vaccinated and 4 million who have had Covid, so a total of 23 million or around 50% of the adult population add to that the people with natural immunity and it is a case of job done, as witnessed by the rapidly falling figures.
We may not like the way the job has been done but I guess we are where we are and it is time to pack up the circus and go home but they cannot stop. We do not go around vaccinating younger people against flu in the summer-time. Indeed, even if you are happy with the vaccines, as we approach better weather there is increasingly little point vaccinating anyone with a dodgy potion that only lasts 6 months.
So as you say why all the hysterical drive for vaccinations? maybe they have all gone collectively insane? and indeed that may be true for some but it must be more than that.
Hey, but they all went collectively insane about lockdown too. So it’s not without precedent.
Conspiracy, cock up, something else?
Now that her Maj has been wheeled out to brow beat us into submission I’m starting to err towards your poit of view.
That is very reasonable. The goal is a “safer” country (safer = more surveillance, ie the digitalisation of everything). The short term method is health and financial data all on your smartphone / app. Long term, that data will all be accessed from your biometrics. Imagine, a universal ID system, linking your health (medical records, vaccinations, live data from smart watch), online behaviour (social media activity), finances (money in / money out / savings / investments / digital currencies) and physical movement (GPS, “checking in”) all to your facial / iris scans, which are stored on a global, non-hackable blockchain technology. Once you have all this data and info, you essentially have the tools to be able to predict the future. And as wild as that sounds, just think about it: social media companies already bombard us with ads for products that the algorithms know we will want. Scale that up to all areas of my life, and all of a sudden, some hyper intelligent piece of software will be able to predict where I want to live, work, holiday, spend my money, drink, eat and socialise. It will also conclude that I am at risk of diabetes / obesity… Read more »
I think we have to bite the bullet and ditch the smartphone. Or stop leaving your house with a digital device strapped to your hip. If we CHANGE the way we behave, there will be no way they can enforce this. By keeping our phones on us the whole time, we are playing the game. For many years I insisted on being send PAPER airline tickets after they made it all digital. And I’ve gone PAPERLESS with my bank statements and tax returns. Hmm, I’ve succumb to the digitisation of my life. We maybe we need to turn back before it’s too late.
The falure of the T&T and the QR codes show that so-called “passports” won’t exactly work the way they want it. Even top of the range smartphones had trouble with the NHS app and QR codes.
Could it be to keep track of us when the federal reserve collapses and our currency is worth nothing? Predicted to be imminent.
The infrastructure described would require enormous amounts of time, energy, and money to implement.
There’s no way they’re running all that on wind power.
I get where you’re going with this and I had very similar thoughts at the beginning of lockdown- could this in some way be happening because they know something we don’t and want to protect us? Are they shielding us from a worse truth than pretending there’s a virus? But I don’t believe that any more and the reason is the number of times I’ve had the sense that they are keeping something from us but they aren’t scared by it – the times when the main perpetrators look as if they’re suppressing laughter is disconcerting and very revealing. This is happening less now so maybe the nefarious backstory to the covid fraud is falling apart and they know it. 🤞
Cue extra-dimensional alien invasion in 3…2…1…
Do one’s duty, your Majesty? Do one.
The Problem is what comes after her.
Charlie is that out of touch, he has let it be known that he will want to be known as George the 7th.
The madness of George 3, 4, 5, 6…
I believe that George 5th used to talk to a stuffed parrot.
Now, which is the way to the tower?
Is the msm thrust of “reporting” changing or am I being paranoid?
From: Lockdowns,lockdowns & more lockdowns.
To look at the damage suffered by some people during lockdowns.
Lockdowns “obviously” work (at least according to one “medical corresponsent” on tv news.
But lockdowns cannot go on – look at some people suffering.
The vaccines will save us and we should/must be vaccinated.
People who refuse vaccination are at best misinformed and at worst completely anti social and the reason why lockdowns may well have to be used again.
Don’t expect the status of a conscientious objector in the gulag.
It’s pointless trying to point out to them things like the comparison between non lockdown and lockdown states in the USA or how death statistics have been manipulated because they must be complicit in the problem we face but I feel their narrative is changing and they’re coming for us sometime soon.
Ok, I can live with that because I live in hope that our day will come but we need that political will from some politicians.
My local Labour MP who has consistently demanded ‘more lockdown sooner and longer’ has suddenly changed his tune and is demanding local restrictions be ended sooner because cases/deaths in the area are among the lowest in the country.
They will all come scurrying out of the cracks and crevices now claiming they were opposed to lockdown all along.
It will be our sacred duty to remind them that they were not.
Our life’s work, if necessary.
Nuremberg 2 will have to try them in batches.
Exactly. Someone on Twitter told me that they’ve been getting screenshots of mask selfies and pro-lockdown posts to use as proof.
I see a football stadium, the trials taking place on a huge, lit stage installed on the pitch. Microphones, large screens, the whole shebang.
The stands stuffed with folk who won’t need encouragement to throw shit and rotten food and all kinds of nastiness at the accused.
The Handmaids Tale was a prediction – who knew?
LOL – thinking “Now isn’t that what I remember Ben Bradshaw saying?” – ie the guy who used to be my MP and then I moved. Okay – I’ll give as much credence to that comment then as his comment to me one time of “You were a big influence on me”. Yeah – right – of course NOT…..
Great! Who is this? Please tell. We need to know who is standing up for us!
Might be a hole starting to appear in the dyke? Last year some MPs were wanting local exemptions but they were Tories.
Tell him/her to make early stage HCQ/IVM treatments available to bring the numbers of deaths FROM covid and influenza down to zero.
Encouraging news from the Metro
‘Every single prosecution (246) under the Coronovirus Act has been unlawful’.
Probably on the basis of the last line on this screenshot.
‘The Act gives Police the power to detain potentially infected persons for screening’.
The police did not use the Act in this way.
From an idea by Alex Belfied.
The CPS data is here:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/januarys-coronavirus-review-findings
Thank you
I watched “The Great Lockdown Debate” between Toby and the cowardly turncoat Snowdon – I can only imagine Toby is being gracious in victory with his comments ATL because it was an absolute bloodbath. Like most people on our side, he brought the heavy artillery to the battlefield – facts, studies, real world data. Snowdon brought a vape pen and a whiny insistence that lockdowns HAVE to work, human separation, germ theory yadda yadda yadda. Slapped in the face with all of the classic lockdown busting experiences of Sweden and Florida, Snowdon slouched further into his chair to the point where I genuinely thought he’d pull a blanket over himself and fall asleep. His counter arguments to Toby’s forensic, stat-laden destruction of the most oppressive NPI to ever crawl out of a one party Communist state were so noticeably cold, so completely uncaring about the colossal harms this dreadful policy has inflicted on every section of society save for the lucky few (and that includes heads of think tanks evidently). Even his languid, smug appearance, chewing on an e-cigarette whilst glibly warbling about his apparent support for the descent of the UK into a totalitarian police state – you would… Read more »
I’m not so impressed, but I come from a different approach, you facilitate lockdown by presuming taking one person’s freedom for another persons safety, should be up for debate in the first place!
I said this earlier, Mike Yeadon was either wrong about herd immunity (kind of destroys months of TY’s LS reports) or Covid-19 doesn’t really exist, either way TY is wrong about Covid-19, as he described how bad it was in the “great debate”. So I don’t see any glory.
Not Quite; the HIT was reached last spring in those conditions. But the HIT is a product of R; the seasonal conditions allowed for an increase in R thus raising the HIT threshold. This is why there are waves of airborne diseases every year. One of the biggest problems with the modeling of this pandemic has been the blind insistance that there is no seasonal affect.
Whether this is a behavioral one, based on our immune system, or innate for the virus is another matter.
If herd immunity had been reached, then the 2nd “wave” wouldn’t have been worse than the first! Presumably regardless of mutation natural immunity from the initial “novel” Covid-19 infection would afford protection against any variant. Either herd immunity hadn’t been reached (Yeadon was wrong) or Covid-19 wasn’t the cause of death in recorded “cases”.
Either way Toby asserting Covid-19 is worse than flu etc as he did yesterday is erroneous.
I would say it’s both.
Flu&co deaths are registered as Covid, thanks to the inflated cts.
Best proof is Oz/NZ who apparently use cts of 23 and see people dying of flu&co instead.
Also, the non-exiting excess mortality in most places.
I have been a HI/HIT doubter in general since watching a Gatti/Montanari video and as such was sceptical of Yeadon/Tegnell/GBD Gupta in that regard (only): HI and in particular tge HIT is a myth,
a computer model created by computer modelers, aka epidimiologists, without any hard medical evidence, invented by computer modelers on behalf if the pharma industry to justify vaccinating people not at risk of a pathogen and disease.
Even that model falls apart completely when incorporating for the movement of people between differently penetrated regions, aka the real world, e.g.
Skane/Stockholm.
At most, it is an outcome that evolves naturally over centuries but cannot be brought about artificially, let alone a HIT be predetermined or measured in practice.
Thanks for the review, I couldn’t face watching it, I think I’ve got to the point where I don’t even want to hear arguments in favour of lockdown any more.
Re Snowdon’s lack of research, I would imagine people like us are far more passionately anti-lockdown than those in favour, and therefore prepared to put much more effort into reading around the issues. There’s no way in hell I would have read half the stuff I have if I didn’t seriously care about what is happening!
I think many people just can’t be bothered to do their research. Someone I know is very dimisssive of the Daily Mail and loftily said during our meetings that she would never dignify that “newspaper that shall remain nameless with a click.” Never mind if the DM has given platforms to experts who are able to lay down the facts and logic in a coherent and easily digestible way as well as publishing scientifically literate articles.
And of course if you debatre with lockdownistas and people who support them, its the same old, same old – hospitals are overwhelmed, children are superspreaders, health before wealth, etc. Not one of them has bothered to address the real fall out from all this and if you say that you’ve been struggling its the usual trite “I’m sorry” or “I wish I have a magic wand to wave your mental health issues away.” To the latter I always want to shout back “then use your magic wand to wake yourself up!”
Sorry but I always thought the expression was;
‘Health is Wealth’
Given all the trials and tribulations I hear from People in the Uk I don’t think there is much ‘health’ going on. Rather the opposite
Can’t remember where I heard the “health before wealth” could have a sign I saw at a university. But yeah first time I saw it, it did make me scratch my head for the reason you stated.
It’s one of those glib slogans that people get can behind, such as ‘save the planet’ or ‘ban the bomb’ (oops showing my age).
I noticed it recently when a local news site reported on the groups planning to demonstrate against the G7 meeting in June.
Yep. Like “people before profit”
What are the odds that we will have the usual suspects protesting in June?
Glib slogans are the most effective. The defence lawyer for OJ Simpson who told the jury “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit” knew what he was doing. It also helped that the jury were not very smart so a little jingle made an impact.
That is worse than naughty to say “I wish I have a magic wand to wave your mental health issues away”. I would take that as an insult – as it would be telling me that I have mental health issues and my reply to that would be “No mental health issues here matey – I’ve spent all 60 plus years of my life to date 101% mentally healthy. I’m so sorry if YOU have mental health problems though”.
Agree but in her defence it was because I told her that this lockdown has triggered my mental health issues that have lain dormant for over 20 years. She’s young (in her early to mid 20s) and possibly really has no clue about how lockdown has affected people badly and how everyone is not as lucky as she in living in a nice area with vast expanses of green space. Therefore I do cut her some slack here but she’s not exactly in my good books either.
I would never watch Toby – well done for starting this site but he knows very little of the relevant data.
So, still nothing ATL about vaxx passport! Especially now that eu is moving towards imposing them on the continent. What Bojoke will do?
Bozo will let the private sector take the lead hence the announcement of late summer
music festivals (in planning with government for months) which will demand Passports and/or screening as a condition of entry.
Full capacity at such events will mark a moment of victory for Passport zealots.
It’s how Hitler ran Nazi Germany, by letting it be known what general direction of travel he wanted and leaving his underlings to fight among themselves to achieve it.
I have seen a few events being advertised and none of them so far are mentioning anything about covid safety or testing and passports being needed. Reading Rock, a model aeroplane show, another festival. This looks encouraging.
I think it feeds the sense of something like normality returning this year and a lot of people will be disappointed and even angered if it does not.
Passport/testing for such events was a topic on the Jeremy Vine show Thursday. Most callers agreed, natch.
I can take a lot of criticism and abuse from mask enthusiasts and their adherents. but until now I have held firm, using the scientific opinions of medical professionals and experts from across the world.
But I awake this morning to the devastatingly news that a 90 year old millionaire tax evader who was home schooled before completing a 6 month vehicle maintenance course during the war as the pinnacle of her education, has looked into the matter, and officially declared that the vaccine “doesn’t hurt” and that those refusing the vaccine are “selfish”.
Off for me jab this morning ma’am.
when does the emergency coronavirus act end? when will it be voted on again? how can another 6 months possibly be justified?presumably no more vaccine under emergency use when it stops so roll out will stop?
My understanding is that the Coronavirus act lasts for 2 years from March 2020, but is subject to review every 6 months
However, this is far from the only bit of legal stuff on this virus, there has certainly been a pandemic of legislation on this virus, Hansard reckons there have been 378 separate pieces of coronavirus legislation;
https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/data/coronavirus-statutory-instruments-dashboard
Many of these have been statutory instruments controversially made under the Public Health Act.
The separate face mask regs last until July but I rather expect they will just be re-enacted.
This plethora of legislation seems to me to the characteristic approach of a totalitarian authoritarian state all done under Uberfuhrer Johnson, the Great Dictator in a Teddy Bear costume.
Bleak outllook for Caber tossing.
Outdoor, windy, wet, oft with rain, games are too dodgy. But cooked up in a little telephone box one after another after another in a voting booth in May totally fine.
Must be the Highland variant they are afriad of, no that doesn’t add up because they vote in the Highland too (and the Lowlands used to throw a good Highland Games too).
https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/bleak-outlook-for-return-of-highland-games-this-year-as-organisers-pull-plug-across-the-country-3147313
Wonder if Olympics will go ahead. Or do they need the propaganda of stopping them to punish the world more?
The Queen pushing for an experimental and potentially dangerous vaccine – who would have thought that !
Read “The Biggest Secret” (1996) by David Icke to understand why..
He always said The Queen was one of the lizard people.
These snakeheads are everywhere esp parliament, the US govt, media and legal profession- they control all aspects of our lives. It would be easy to fight back as the “99%” but i guess people are now too far gone with the “programming”.
The Queen is a-political, apart from her views on the vaccine. Better that she said democracy is dead and the monarchy is redundant.
Hi All!
The latest ‘Real Normal Podcast’ is here.
NORMALITY? SOON? We discuss the ‘Rocky Road’ Ahead….ENJOY!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/8013036-ep-21-the-rocky-road
I listened earlier in the week. Another great episode boys x
Cheers! Lets hope it’s almost as great as the THRASHING we dish you this Saturday! 😂😂
Cheeky! I’m Anglo-Welsh so a foot in each camp though I do tend to be English for football and Cricket and Welsh for rugby!
Lets not talk about the cricket….
Same here. Wales for Rugby, England for Football. not that I’ve paid much attention this year. No tv licence and the pubs are shut so no where to watch it, and it just isn’t real without fans.
Reluctant though I am to criticise HM The Queen, her suggestion that people declining the vaccine are selfish is profoundly ignorant. There is no data to show that the vaccines prevent transmission of the virus so my decision on whether or not to have the vaccine has no effect on anyone except me.
“There is no data to show that the vaccines prevent transmission of the virus so my decision on whether or not to have the vaccine has no effect on anyone except me.”
And the immunosuppressed.
That was the same attitude from the luvvies in Hebden Bridge, right up to the point of a massive measles outbreak.
So you are advocating compulsory vaccination of a healthy population with an experimental vaccine to protect a small number of immunosuppressive people? On that basis surely the precautionary principle should also include compulsory flu vaccines for all and continued masks abs social distancing for all time to protect these people? Remind me why you’re here?
Please explain how the immunosuppressed are protected by me having a vaccination which doesn’t prevent onwards transmission anyway?
Spot on!
That “protecting immunosuppressed” argument died March 26th 2020. They can just lock themselves up to protect their timid terrified covidians. What was good enough for all of us, must be good enough for them.
Measles: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Found to Spread Disease
Even as the US measles “outbreak” has slowed, the vaccination debate rages on.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/24/recently-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease.aspx
Dr John Lee made the point recently that the incidence of measles is now so low in UK that the vaccine may be more of a risk than the disease, an interesting medical ethics conundrum. Despite that I would still be in favour for my grandchildren since it is a ‘proper’ serious disease. I’ve had measles jab and all the other serious ones starting in 1958.
Think I’ve heard she’s not the brightest lamp in the room?? But everyone falls over themselves to pretend that every sentence uttered by her is the highest wisdom etc etc – just because of her title.
I always hate the “This person cooked, performed, etc for the queen and is therefor very skilled in their profession and we all shall bow in front of them”.
5 years olds performed , she likes plain food, she has no education to assess skills. And it is her staff who choose who gets this “honour”, I am sure she’d rather have beans on toast that some fancy Gordon Ramsay.
According to Good Morning Britain, Her Majesty is suggesting people take the ‘vaccine’, or as it should really be known; experimental gene therapy.
Absolutely no intervention throughout this whole catastrophic episode, and now this. Oh dear.
Or perhaps she is right and you are wrong.
In this country you are free to do what you wish, as long as that doesn’t get in the way of other people doing as they wish. Hence why we say “After you” all the time.
Anti-vaxxers and mask fanatics are just two sides of the same coin. Those who consider their beliefs to be more important than the freedom of anyone else.
Anit-vaxxers – that slur again. You realise you are spouting Marxist labels designed by the left to isolate and vilify those who will not go along with what TPTB want? If the elites want us vaccinated you know it’s not for your own good.
The fear of ‘the elite’ is an emotional response, not a rational one. We should not be running the country on the excessive emotional responses of the irrational – whether that is fear of a drug or a virus.
The Marxists are the ones that won’t put others before themselves. It’s the hallmark of their ilk.
Lucan Grey is a cunt
I’ve been wondering where you’ve been Winston! Welcome back.
And a rather dim one.
Not quite bright enough to realise how thick he is.
Agree. A trolling one at that. What a shower. Nothing useful to say.
More like he’s an on duty c**t.
Grade A idiot. Clearly a paid shill. You can’t possibly be that thick.
I’m not anti vaccine. I’ve had loads in my life time and may well have this one when I feel my risk from Covid makes it worth any residual risk. With the current stage of vaccine development and lack of data I am currently unconvinced. That doesn’t make me selfish or paranoid, it makes me rational.
Are you saying that Bill Gates doesn’t have both a plan and the financial means to implement it? “Excessive emotional responses”? No, actually a perfectly sensible suspicion of a man who has stated that the world is overpopulated.
That is your choice of course, based upon feeling not reason, but that comes with consequences – which will include your exclusion from polite society.
That is the cost of selfishness.
I would rather not exist in your ‘polite society’ as a vaccinated, digital serf, thanks.
Ditto. I can just imagine how much fun, that society party would be!
What this Grey cannot grasp , is these vaccines are .. fucking trials!!
I actually want mass complications from a jab born out of fear of an extremely non lethal coronavirus
It’s a lesson the collaborators needs to learn
It will also be rather funny
I reckon that has the potential to REALLY overwhelm the NHS.
Problem with that is our lying, cheating, scheming, manipulative government will just label those complications as new COVID symptoms and the sheeple will just accept it as the truth then go back to clapping for the NHS.
Hair falls out – COVID
Heart attack – COVID
Facial paralysis – COVID
Infertility – COVID – and bear in mind they were putting the ground work I for this one from the middle of last year when they were discussing how the lurgy effect sperm…
Anyway, you get the picture I’m sure.
There is only so far that will fly though
See: the Iraq War
If the vaccine doesn’t actually stop you passing on the virus, how is it possibly selfish not to have it? People are only having it to stop themselves getting severe symptoms, in the event that they actually catch covid in the first place.
About the worst comment I’ve ever read on this forum.
Come on LG, on reflection, do you really believe that? Really?
I think you’re being remarkably restrained.
I didn’t know trolls came out this early, I always thought they were nocturnal creatures skulking in the shadows.
Depends what time he comes on duty.
Ah, you must be a socialist. Clearly you believe in “the greater good” and that we should all therefore be subject to what the techocrats and scientists tell us is right. You are a very dangerous person.
When you start dragging in left/right etc, your argument,however good,is lost down the toilet!
Why are socialists so easily triggered?
Selfishness is wanting other people to take experimental medicines so that they themselves feel safe. To this end they may introduce strawmen such as immunosuppressed people that hithertofore they haven’t even thought about, even when said people have been denied cancer treatments and regular screenings for a year.
Don’t let this single-cell amoeba rile you up KH. That’s it’s raison d’etre for commenting here. Why these people can’t stick with their own polite society, and insist on gatecrashing and spoiling everyone else’s, is beyond me.
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Taking individual decisions, and providing a role model for kids, is called Leadership, mon ami, not selfishness!
Are you interviewing for a role in the North Korean Embassy? BTW How is the Magic Money Tree working for North Korea?
You are Tobias Ellwood and I claim my £5
You say, ”In this country you are free to do what you wish, as long as that doesn’t get in the way of other people doing as they wish.’‘
Oh that is interesting, which Country do you live in? I live in Devon, England where if I drive down the road for a bracing walk on Dartmoor out of the way of everybody else the Police are likely to stop me and at best insist I go home and at worst issue me with a fixed penalty notice.
I quite fancy the idea of a country where I am free to do as I wish, maybe time to move!
Or perhaps I am right and she is wrong. I suspect I have looked more deeply into the question of vaccines than she has and have decided to defer a decision until more is known.
We are in the middle of an experiment in which the whole population is being coerced into taking part.
And no, that doesn’t make me an “anti-vaxxer”, just one who looks at each on its merits.
Weak points. 1.) You are falsely drawing an equivalence between a small minority of people who are anti-vax across the board to those of us here who are sceptical of experimental vaccines. 2.) Mask fanatics require people forgo their freedom to choose whether or not to wear a mask. “Anti-vaxxers” are merely exerting their own freedom to choose. Therefore, they are not two sides of the same coin. 3.) Your assertions about selfishness and consequences are based on a premise that is the subject of lockdown sceptics, so I have to wonder why you are here? That premise, in case you have forgotten, is that lockdowns are a disproportionate response to what amounts to a strong flu. Experimental vaccines are part of that disproportionate response and therefore the idea that people should suffer severe social consequences for refusing to take them is also disproportionate. If this illness was so severe, burning through the healthy population indiscriminately, you wouldn’t need to impose such draconian measures and “consequences”. The disease would be consequence enough. Let’s talk of reason here; we have a new experimental vaccine to counter a virus that 99%+ will have no problems with and we’ve seen what it is… Read more »
“Anti-vaxxers and mask fanatics are just two sides of the same coin. Those who consider their beliefs to be more important than the freedom of anyone else.” Your over-wrought attacks on those resisting the idea that universal medication is the supposedly necessary solution to the non-problem of covid are rather bizarre. Clearly all you are going to achieve here is to annoy your targets and those who sympathise with them, and earn their enmity. Hard to see what motivates you, in those goals. Regardless, here’s the simple explanation of what you are missing in this particular assertion. Mask fanatics seek to force others to comply with their personal absurdly overblown fear of a disease that is objectively not worthy of such, and to engage in positive behaviour that signals such compliance without any evidence of any efficacy in reducing the object of the said irrational fear. Those whom you falsely smear as “anti-vaxxers”, but are in most cases just opponents of the mass application of incompletely tested medication, particularly the forced application of such, are merely responding rationally to the situation in which there is coercion based on unjustified fear. So it would be much more apt to say the… Read more »
Because I don’t accept experimental vaccination (I have had vaccinations routinely in the past so no need for the strawman labelling) or mask wearing, it doesn’t mean I don’t respect the choice of other people on whether to be experimentally vaccinated or to wear a mask. I am concerned that people aren’t being given the information to make an informed decision on the experimental vaccination and don’t think the MHRA, a heavily conflicted organisation, should have given the emergency approvals. But ultimately I respect the choice of my friends to opt for the experimental vaccine. What I don’t accept is that attempts are being made to coerce me into having the experimental vaccination. The queen is entitled to have the experimental vaccine, that’s her free choice. But when she tells those of us who aren’t in any circumstance going to have the experimental vaccination that we are selfish, and in particular when she uses her public position to do this, then that is someone trying to tread on my freedom to choose. I’m not going to call the queen selfish for taking the vaccine that’s the difference between her and me on this that you completely miss in your assertion… Read more »
I agree with you on every point here. I would also add to the concern you expressed that people aren’t being given the information to make an informed decision as to whether to have the vaccine at the moment (and even which vaccine they are being offered), as people are not being asked to sign a consent form when they go. According to the older people living around me that have been called up for the vaccine, it is a quick ‘in/out’ process without any information, discussion or leaflet offered.
“In this country you are free to do what you wish, as long as that doesn’t get in the way of other people doing as they wish.”
Not at the moment.