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by Jonathan Barr
6 March 2021 3:16 AM

Civil Disobedience Growing Among OAPs

Cartoon by Bob Moran

This coming Monday, March 8th, is the first key date in Boris’s roadmap. It is the date schools across England will reopen and university students can return – albeit just those doing practical courses. It is the date when one person can visit someone else in a care home – albeit in PPE and clutching a recent negative test result. It is the date people will be permitted to meet outside in public spaces to socialise and not just to exercise – albeit only in pairs.

Unsurprisingly, however, the already vaccinated are beginning to ignore this glacial, excessively cautious reopening. They are already meeting up with people, even indoors, as Guido notes, commenting on a recent data release from the ONS.

Buried in the latest ONS data dump of Covid research is a remarkable – if logical – statistic. Just 33% of over 80s have not met with anyone indoors since having their jab, with 43% admitting to meeting with people other than their carers or support bubble after receiving the first dose. After two jabs, this explicit rule-breaking rises to 48%. Despite the widespread rule-breaking, hospitalisation and death rates amongst the age group are tumbling…

Cheeky octogenarians are not alone – spritely 72-year-old Lord Sumption yesterday made a splash by telling UnHerd that “sometimes the most public-spirited thing that you can do with despotic laws like these is to ignore them” – even claiming that a quiet campaign of “civil disobedience” has already begun. At least among the elderly, the data does seem to agree with him…

The ONS data release provides further details.

Of over 80s-who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, a total of 67% reported that they had met somebody they do not live with, indoors, since being vaccinated.

More than a third (37%) had met with a member of their support bubble, indoors, since being vaccinated, and 23% had met with their child or children indoors.

It would appear that their perception of risk has altered fundamentally, as the ONS statistician comments:

The rollout of the COVID-19 vaccination is, no doubt, a huge relief to many people aged over 80, as we can see that almost half of all them, when asked, considered COVID-19 to be a major or significant personal risk before receiving the vaccination – this decreases to just 5% having the same concern after hypothetically receiving both doses of the vaccine.

Boris has appealed for vaccinated octogenarians to abide by the rules, but it appears to have fallen on deaf ears.

More Than Half of Positive Test Results in Schools Likely to be False Positives

Photograph: Dave Hunt/AAP

Children returning to school on Monday face being subjected to extensive rules and guidance designed to make the school ‘Covid-secure’. This includes frequent and regular testing of all students and staff. One mother, healthcare professional and reader of Lockdown Sceptics wrote in to tell us why her children will not be taking part.

Mass testing using lateral flow tests will be rolled out across all secondary schools across England from Monday March 8th as all pupils are [deep breath] going back to school. A test is required before each child is allowed to return followed by two further tests between three and five days apart in school. So, three tests in the first week. This is then followed by biweekly testing at home from thereon. “Testing remains voluntary but highly advised” (Department of Health, NHS Test and Trace). I have two children who attend a large comprehensive secondary school. There are just under 1,500 students in the school – if each child takes the three tests in the first week that amounts to 4,500 tests (plus the teachers). If my research tells me right there are just under 3.5 million pupils in state funded secondary schools in England so that is 10.5 million swabs in week one alone, plus the teachers (and plus all the other swabs that are being done elsewhere). Each lateral flow test is a single use disposable plastic swab. I am not sure how the swabs are disposed of but I can be certain they are not recycled – I expect they are incinerated as clinical waste.

My husband and I are both ‘front line’ health care professionals and have opted our children out of testing in key worker school and have indeed opted out for the next phase of testing starting next week. Indeed we have also opted ourselves out of testing at work (also not mandatory). This is because we have many concerns about the flaws of mass testing asymptomatic people. 

Bear with me here. The lateral flow tests have been reported to have a specificity of 99.6% (Preliminary report from the joint PHE Porton Down and University of Oxford SARS-CoV-2 LFD test development and validation cell, 2020). That is to say that if you use a lateral flow test on 1,000 people *known to definitely not have Covid* then it will test negative in 996 of them. Meanwhile the sensitivity of lateral flow is variable depending on the person administering it, ranging from 76% when trained healthcare staff are the operators but falling to 58% when used by self-trained members of the public. Put another way: if 100 people who are *known to definitely have Covid* are tested with lateral flow, the result will be positive in somewhere between 58 and 76 of them. However this is only half the story when it comes to screening a population that has no symptoms. To understand the value of lateral flow when it’s used in this way, we need to understand the idea of Positive Predictive Value (PPV) and Negative Predictive Value (NPV). These are the values that answer the questions “I’ve tested positive, so what are the chances I actually have Covid?” and “I’ve tested negative, so what are the chances I really don’t have Covid?”. The trouble is that the PPV and NPV vary depending on the prevalence of the condition you’re testing for – if the condition you’re hunting for (in this case Covid) by using a given screening test (in this case lateral flow) is rare, then the PPV of the test will drop while the NPV improves – in other words a positive test is less likely to mean you really do have the disease, while a negative test is more likely to mean you don’t have the disease. Conversely if the condition is common then a positive test is more likely to mean you really do have the disease (i.e., the PPV increases) whilst the NPV drops.

Take my children’s school as an example: approximately 1,450 pupils. Let’s say six of them have Covid (based on the current estimated national average of 1 infection per 230 people – although in fact the estimated prevalence in my local area is even lower). Let’s also say that 66% of those will test positive (as per the stated sensitivity of lateral flow). That’s four positive tests and two negative tests amongst the children with actual Covid. This leaves 1,444 without Covid. 99.6% of them (i.e., 1438 pupils) will correctly test negative, so six will test positive. Therefore there are ten positive tests amongst the whole school, of whom four actually have Covid and six actually don’t. Some rudimentary maths will show that this equates to a PPV of 40%. In other words any pupil receiving a positive test has a less than 50/50 chance of actually having Covid. The reassuring thing is that based on these numbers a negative test is 99.9% likely to mean a child truly doesn’t have Covid, but the price of this ‘reassurance’ is a few unlucky children being removed from school (again) and put through another unpleasant and invasive test, not to mention the possible risk of anxiety, the impact on their family having to isolate whilst the PCR test results are awaited, but also the environmental impact. This is one of my main concerns – the environmental impact of using millions of disposable plastic swabs each week (gov.uk has a daily/weekly count available – at the time of writing there were 4,513,953 tests carried out over the last 7 days. This is a combination of lateral flow and PCR tests). The number of tests is going to rise dramatically over the next week and this is of huge concern to us as a family. I have raised this as a concern in a recent medical webinar. I was not completely alone however I genuinely think not many people have thought about this issue (someone did raise concern related to the types of plastics used in the swabs). This is at complete odds with the environmental campaign against single use plastic and the effects on our planet. Even more ironically children are taught extensively at school about protection of the planet and individual responsibility. What are we teaching them now?… I will leave the PPE and wipes and disposable masks and plastic EVERYWHERE for now as I am starting to sweat … and the children want to watch David Attenborough A Life on Our Planet…

Stop Press: Covid Testing in school has been recommended by the Government, but is not mandatory, as we have previously reported. Nevertheless, most schools are doing their best to test all their pupils and according to a survey conducted by ITV this is eating up huge amounts of time that will take away from teaching time in many schools. Only 9% of schools have consent for the tests from all parents, and a majority are struggling to get consent from more than half. Perhaps because it would have teachers lives easier, 80% of them believe that testing should have been made compulsory by the Government.

Stop Press 2: The other core component of the guidance is on mask-wearing in the classroom. The Telegraph reports on the UsForThem letter to Gavin Williamson asking him to publish the evidence showing that masks interrupt transmission or abandon the measure. Meanwhile, 32 Tory MPs have demanded that the measure be dropped after Easter.

Stop Press 3: A teacher has written in to describe an unanticipated difficulty with ‘remote learning’.

My head of department went AWOL the other day at one point because she fell victim to a sophisticated online scam while teaching online. The scammers purported to be from her internet service provider fixing an issue with her connection (which they simulated) and sneaked into her phone by the back door, emptying her bank account in the process. Had she not been trying to teach an online lesson at the time it wouldn’t have happened – she of course was desperate to get ‘the problem’ sorted as fast as possible. Luckily she got the money back from the bank but it’s a mark of how vulnerable relying on multiple internet access can be with all the distractions of trying to manage online teaching, to say nothing of the potential for far more sinister hacking impacting on the children involved. For this teacher going back to ‘real’ teaching can’t come soon enough.

Another Foreign Travel Ban

In case anyone is tempted to sneak off for an Easter break to one of the countries that have declared themselves open to vaccinated Brits, the Government has made it illegal to leave the country for non-work reasons from March 8th. In guidance published yesterday, it states:

From March 8th 2021, you must complete this form to declare the reason that you need to travel abroad.

You must complete this form if you are travelling outside the UK from England. Different rules apply for international travel from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

You don’t need to complete the form for travel within the UK, to Ireland, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man.

You should print a copy of the completed form or save it to a mobile phone or other device.

You may be asked to show this declaration form at the port of departure. You may carry evidence to support your reason for travel.

Entering a port of departure to travel internationally without a completed form is a criminal offence, for which you could be fined.

If you try to travel abroad without a legally permitted reason, you may also be fined for breaching the stay at home requirements

Writing in the Telegraph, Chris Leadbeater is not impressed.

There is a definite element of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to today’s announcement of a new “Declaration to Travel” – which will come into force on Monday (March 8th).

At first glance, it might seem as innovative and attractive – to that section of the electorate which wants even tougher restrictions, at all costs – as an Everlasting Gobstopper, or a stick of chewing gum which runs through the flavours of a three-course dinner, including the pudding.

But on closer inspection, it is revealed to be as pointless and impractical as, well, a piece of confectionery that turns the consumer into a big blueberry – or a Fizzy Lifting Drink where the imbiber has to burp to stay grounded.

As with much that has come out of Downing Street and the offices of state around it during the pandemic, the Declaration to Travel is fantasy thinking. But not in a good way.

Let us look, first of all, at what it is meant to do. Officially, it is designed to ensure that anyone attempting to leave the UK in the coming weeks has good reason to do so –and can demonstrate as such by typing their details into a three-page document that can be waved at the airport or ferry terminal, at anybody shoving their beak into your business.

But what will it actually achieve? Nothing – beyond scaring any lingering urge to go anywhere out of the citizens of a country who have been locked down, threatened with quarantine, and gaslit with the prospect of fines for all manner of minor offences for the best part of the last year.

Worth reading in full.

An Update From the Lockdown Sceptics Senior Doctor

Photograph: Anthony Devlin/PA

We have an update today on the latest NHS data from the Senior Doctor who writes regularly for Lockdown Sceptics. Good news, but with a few oddities.

At the risk of testing readers patience for graphics, I’m firstly going to have a look at the regular hospital statistics to assess what has changed in the last couple of weeks and compare the information with where we were last year. Then I will raise a few issues that have been puzzling me for some time – essentially discrepancies between what I hear in the media and what I see in the data. I apologise in advance for having more questions than answers in this update. Much of the data I have looked at this week does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.

Here is the chart for COVID-19 inpatients in English Hospitals (Graph 1). Readers will observe that the number of inpatients is now lower than at the beginning of December. In fact, the inpatient numbers are equivalent to where they were in October. Importantly, they continue to fall at an impressive rate – approximately 2,500 – 3,000 per week and the trend shows no sign of slowing down. To put it another way, the numbers of COVID-19 patients in English hospitals has fallen from about 30% of available beds to under 10% in six weeks. I will discuss possible reasons for this reduction later in the piece. Readers will also note that the trend is uniform across all geographic regions, with a slight lag between the curves for London and the South East and the rest of the country. This has been attributed to the transit of the so called ‘Kent variant’ strain. The same trends are seen in ICU numbers, albeit with a lag due to longer lengths of stay.

Graph 1

I find Graph 2 interesting. This is a comparison of the spring 2020 inpatient curve with the recent winter one. Readers should be aware that this chart is derivative. I have taken two time series by identifying the peak dates of COVID-19 inpatients, then worked back and forward for a few weeks either side of the peak to compare the curves. The graph shows that the peak number of COVID-19 inpatients was higher in the winter than the spring, but that the decline from the peak has been more rapid – the grey line is almost at the same level as the blue line on the right-hand side. ‘Day 70’ in the spring series represents May 31st, so in terms of COVID-19 inpatients we are already where we were at the beginning of summer last year. This observation fits with the community testing data which shows a significant reduction in positive cases in recent weeks.

There are several possibilities to explain the observable difference, and they may all be playing a part – one is the vaccination effect. Another is the intensity of testing – we may have been under recording COVID-19 patients in the spring and possibly over recording them in the winter. Advocates of ‘non-pharmaceutical interventions’ will probably attribute the difference to societal lockdown. Adherents to the other side of the argument may claim this is a consequence of ‘herd immunity’. It may even be that the virus recedes in warmer weather. Whatever the reason, the burden of COVID-19 in hospitals is falling faster now than in the spring last year.

Graph 2

Next, I examine admissions to hospital from the community in Graph 3. This looks a bit confusing as all the lines converge on the right-hand side, but it’s an important graphic because the downward trend of falling admissions implies that the number of inpatients is likely to continue to fall in the next few weeks. Simply put, if the number of patients coming into the funnel is lower than the numbers being discharged, then the overall hospital numbers will go down quite quickly. We don’t have access to rolling discharge figures as these are only released on a monthly basis, but I think it’s reasonable to infer that hospital discharges have increased substantially in the last few weeks and lengths of stay have fallen.

For a non-graphical comparison which might be easier to understand, the three-day average admissions in London have dropped from nearly 800 a day in London to about 70 per day now. Across the whole of England, one patient with COVID-19 is admitted from the community every 150 seconds, compared to one every 30 seconds in mid-January.  On March 3rd there were 478 COVID-19 patients admitted to English Hospitals – similar levels to the first part of October. I haven’t heard Simon Stevens updating the nation with those particular statistics, but then I don’t watch much TV and he’s a busy person. I also find it strange that my colleagues who were so keen to appear in the media emphasising how awful things were in January have been more reticent in informing the public that matters are now largely under control. Why is that?

Graph 3

I now want to look at some data on deaths, which I find puzzling for a variety of reasons. Graph 4 shows ONS recorded COVID-19 deaths in December and January. I have not included deaths in people under 60 years of age because they are so low as to be statistically irrelevant. Graph 4 is interesting because it clearly shows the age stratification of COVID deaths – the older you are, the more likely you are to die with the virus. This graphic contradicts much of what I have heard in the press about the new variant being more deadly in younger age groups. All the data I have seen from hospital admissions, ICU audits and death figures show that there is no difference in age-related mortality or disease severity between Spring 2020 and this Winter. I don’t understand why this is being reported differently in the media – am I missing something? Do the experts have access to information that I can’t see? If so, I would be grateful if this data could be made available because I find cognitive dissonance uncomfortable.

Graph 4

Graph 4 also shows that COVID-19 deaths peaked at the end of January and are on a clear declining trend. I observed in a previous piece that on January 26th at the Downing Street press conference, Professor Whitty said: “I think we have to be realistic that the rate of mortality, the number of people dying a day, will come down relatively slowly over the next two weeks – and will probably be flat for a while now.” Graph 4 clearly refutes that prediction. In fact, all the predictions around deaths have been wildly inaccurate. PHE predicted a peak of 4,070 COVID-19 deaths per day which would occur at the beginning of December. Imperial College said COVID-19 deaths would peak at 2,170 per day on 30th December. Warwick University were the closest predicting 1,700 deaths per day on 23rd December. The real daily peak of recorded COVID-19 deaths was 1,249 on January 19th.

Chart 1 shows all cause deaths recorded in England and Wales as a Nightingale plot. Readers can clearly see the peak excess deaths in the spring. Note that these figures are all-cause deaths, not just COVID-19 deaths. What puzzles me about this data is the lower number of overall deaths in the recent winter compared to last spring. Graph 5 below shows that the number of COVID-19 recorded deaths is much the same as the spring, so it appears that non COVID-19 deaths are considerably lower than usual. How can that be? Could it be due to the complete absence of influenza deaths this winter? Or did the 2020 epidemic burn through the ‘dry stubble’, killing people that would have died in the first two months of 2021 willy nilly?

Chart 1

In Graph 5 I have plotted weekly deaths recorded by the ONS where ‘COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate’ according to location of death. It suggests that COVID-19 related deaths were similar in number in the Winter compared to the Spring and that most COVID-19 deaths were recorded in hospitals. This observation begs several questions. We know from the hospital admissions data that there were approximately 75% more patients hospitalised with COVID-19 in the Winter compared to the Spring, but there were roughly the same number of deaths. Hence as a percentage, the in-hospital mortality was substantially lower in the Winter than in the Spring. If the new variant really is more deadly, how can this be? It is possible that the hospital admission criteria may have been lower in the winter, so there may have been more patients, but they were less ill (relatively speaking) than in the Spring. Or maybe they really were sicker, but treatment has improved very substantially. The vaccine effect might explain some of the reduced mortality in the last few weeks: SPI-M (one of the Government’s advisory bodies) has recently released data showing that the rate of COVID-19 deaths has fallen faster than its modelling from the beginning of February. However, I think it’s unlikely that vaccines alone can explain the lower overall peak deaths in January. Whatever the reason, it appears to me that the cohort of COVID-19 patients in the Winter were much less likely to die than those admitted in the Spring.

Graph 5

Graph 6 reinforces the point. It shows all-cause recorded deaths by week of the year and location of death. The care home spike in the Spring is visible (yellow bars in weeks 15 – 19). Overall, the proportions of deaths in hospital and at home are about the same and the total number of deaths is significantly lower this Winter than last Spring.

Graph 6

Finally, an article in the Financial Times caught my eye this morning – it was reported in detail in yesterday’s edition of Lockdown Sceptics, but I think it bears repetition. The World Obesity Federation has published a study purporting to show mortality rates from COVID-19 are 10 times higher in countries where 50% of the population are overweight (Chart 2). At first glance there are some problems with this study – correlation does not imply causation, and one is always suspicious of PR manipulation when a report on obesity deaths is released to coincide with ‘World Obesity Day’. The charts presented seem to have curious distinct separations of mortality rates without any intermediate grading – one obvious potential error could be that in developing countries the number of COVID-19 deaths may be under-recorded. Nevertheless, the basic conclusion does fit with multiple other reputable published sources.

Once again, I experience uncomfortable cognitive dissonance when the press, including the taxpayer-funded national broadcaster, repeatedly emphasise the uncommon tragedy of young healthy people dying from COVID-19, but omit reference to the far greater numbers of very old or very fat people falling victim to the disease. I am reminded of Mark Twain’s comment to the effect that: “If you don’t read the news you’re uninformed. If you do read the news you’re misinformed.”

Chart 2

I remarked at the top of the article that I have many more questions than answers. My root cause for bewilderment is this. Reading the published data over the last 12 months leads me to believe that COVID-19 is mainly dangerous to specific segments of the population – principally the over-65s and the overweight. I have not seen any convincing evidence that people under 60 are seriously at risk unless they have pre-existing significant medical problems or are very unlucky – there is emerging evidence of specific underlying genetic susceptibilities to COVID-19 which might explain some of the deaths in younger age groups.

The latest figures show community cases falling, hospital occupancy dropping and vaccination rates soaring, particularly among the vulnerable older age groups.

Therefore, why is it necessary to deprive the vast majority of the population of their civil liberties until June 21st for an infection which poses minimal risk to their health?

The economic damage of lockdown has been starkly revealed by the Chancellor in his recent budget. The relationship between public health and national prosperity is widely accepted. Despite obvious collateral harms, no ‘cost-benefit’ analysis has been provided to justify unprecedented governmental actions implemented on the advice of unelected public health academics. Can anyone explain to me why this is a rational position for our parliamentary representatives to adopt?

Isle of Man Locks Down Again – So Much For Zero Covid!

Lockdown was lifted on the Isle of Man recently, with borders closures, tough rules backed by prison sentences and a supportive population all credited with bringing the infection rate down to zero. Today, the island is back in lockdown. Our regular contributor, Guy de la Bédoyère, is unimpressed.

The Isle of Man has announced a three-week lockdown and school closures. Chief Minister Howard Quayle has his finger on the pulse:

The virus spreads when people mix and so we need to do all we can to minimise that mixing … In the interests of children and broader society, we need to prevent children from mixing.

There you have it. It’s in the Isle of Man children’s best interests to be prevented from mixing. I thought we’d all begun to understand that the exact opposite is true, but in this Orwellian era Quayle’s pronouncement should occasion no surprise.

The tragedy for the Isle of Man’s politicians in the House of Keys is that just like the Land of St Jacinda they thought their lockdowns had the power to annihilate the disease. And still do. The island has reported 58 cases, most of which are linked to an infected ferry crew member. That’s unfortunate because the only option really then would be to ban ferries too. The culprit is the ‘Kent’ variant spreading rapidly among the island’s young people.

The most recent bout of restrictions had only been lifted as recently as the end of January, and last year there was a taste of normality with seven months of no restrictions.

The best quote of all comes once more from Howard Quayle:

I do believe though that if we get this right one more time – if we stamp out once and for all the transmission that has been sitting under the surface for some time now –and in parallel if we protect our vaccination programme – this could hopefully be the last time.

If all is well, as we progress over the next 21 days, I sincerely hope that we will not have to tighten up further. It has worked before. We know what to do.

He hopes to “get this right one more time” because “it has worked before”. Except that it obviously didn’t work before because if it had there’d be no need for another time. But he is confident that with this latest lockdown the virus will be stamped out for good. Yes, Mr Quayle, just like all the other viruses that human beings have stamped out ‘for good’ so easily.

I don’t know what’s more incredible: that politicians can continue to come out with these insane promises, or that so many people are continuing to believe them. How can it be that one of the most invasive, volatile, and contagious viruses ever to afflict mankind is also the one uniquely susceptible to permanent eradication with the simple measure of a lockdown – especially if two previous lockdowns demonstrably didn’t get rid of it?

The Isle of Man was already pioneering our local version of the New Zealand prison island model. Only residents and key workers were allowed in. But since it was one of the latter who brought Covid back, how long before even they are consigned to guarded compounds? Or just banned outright? Perhaps the island could be supplied by helicopter drops?

It’s at times like this you really do start to get a picture of the hideous rabbit hole this crisis is starting to go down. But there is one small glimmer of hope. Quayle seems to be intimating that the vaccines might be the way out. Let’s hope so, because right now there seems to be absolutely nothing else in sight that is going to stop this relentless march towards a lifetime of endless lockdowns, incarcerated communities, and a society where the only means of interaction is within a Zoom screen.

Follow The Politics, Not The Science

We must be “guided by the science” was an oft-repeated refrain in the early days of the Covid crisis – except we weren’t guided by the science, at least not after March 23rd, as we abandoned Pandemic Preparedness Plan and followed other countries around the world, not least the People’s Republic of China, into lockdown. Our Government was making political decisions, not scientific ones, as this superb original article that we’re publishing today makes clear. It’s an exhaustive analysis of the careful preparation that went into pandemic planning and why abandoning that approach had nothing to do with science and everything to do with political expediency. It also documents in meticulous detail how the political approach ended up causing more harm than good. It’s by an epidemiologist with a PhD from a Russel Group university and a retired Professor of Forensic Science and Biological Anthropology (whom Toby put in touch when they both contacted Lockdown Sceptics asking if he could introduce them to someone with the other’s expertise). Here is the executive summary:

This article contrasts the policies pursued by the UK Government in response to the COVID-19 pandemic with prior national and international preparedness guidelines. It begins with illustrative reference to Popper’s criteria defining the scientific method and to seven foundational ethical principles proposed for use in public health education. It then examines scientific evidence for the value of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) in the mitigation of respiratory virus outbreaks.

It finds that, until mid-March 2020, the UK Government followed existing national and international guidelines recommending low stringency NPIs – such as hand hygiene, social distancing and isolating when sick – to slow the spread of infections. There was some scientific evidence these measures were beneficial and accompanying harms limited. Government advisers assessed SARS-CoV-2 disease characteristics and risks realistically, incorporating known behaviour of similar respiratory viruses.

However, on March 23rd, 2020, an unprecedented lockdown – involving travel bans, stay at home orders and mandatory business closures – was implemented in the absence of empirical evidence for their utility. As well as contravening the existing pandemic preparedness guidelines, this violated key principles of public health ethics and human rights.

Many scientific studies have since shown lockdowns cause considerable harm for minimal benefit and the error has been compounded by a failure to abandon these policies as confounding evidence has accumulated.

These harms could have been avoided if the UK Government had respected the pandemic preparedness guidelines and the scientific and ethical principles underpinning them, and resisted media pressure – or coercion – to behave like ‘many other Governments’. Instead, lockdowns have been extended and repeated, and vindictive suppression of scepticism has increased – including that based on accepted principles of law, ethics and scientific inquiry.

Politics – not the science – caused the UK to become a ‘lockdown autocracy’ with one of the worst pandemic outcomes in the world. An inept but unchallenged administration arose, funded by borrowing and fiscal easing, supported by an acquiescent public highly dependent on Government subsidies, and led by media fear mongering with the manufacturing of ‘heroes’ and ‘villains’, vilification of dissent and condemnation of rational and viable alternatives.

The article concludes that an absence of leadership in the UK allowed human rights law and the ethics and principles of evidence-based public health to be disregarded, precipitating economic and social devastation and excess mortality. If a future such occurrence is to be avoided, new legislation and formal censure of those responsible – whether from politics, media, medicine, science or the judiciary – will be necessary

It’s a long one, so grab a coffee, but very much worth reading in full.

COVID-1984

 Credit: JOEL SAGET/AFP

Party slogans continue to roll in:

LOCKDOWN ENDS WHEN THE CLOCK STRIKES 13
TODAY’S HISTORY WAS WRITTEN LAST WEEK
LOCKDOWN IS LIBERTY
VACCINATION IS VALIDATION
CONFINEMENT IS SAFETY
FEAR IS FREEDOM
LOGIC IS ILLOGICAL
TODAY’S LIES ARE TOMORROW’S TRUTHS
HATING OTHERS IS LOVING THE PARTY
ROOM 101 IS IN EVERY HOUSE
NHS ABOVE ALL

One reader spied Orwell’s pen in the name given to Israel’s tracking bracelets which permit new arrivals to isolate at home rather than in a quarantine hotel. These are known as ‘freedom bracelets‘.

Another offered a quote from the novel itself:

“YOU ARE THE DEAD. … REMAIN EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE. MAKE NO MOVEMENT UNTIL YOU ARE ORDERED.”

Poetry Corner

Today’s poem is from a reader who calls herself Liberty Walker.

Lazy, Lardy, Lethal Lockdown

Britain’s getting fatter,
We’ve given up the gym,
We’re eating up our take-aways,
It’s harder to stay trim. 

Boris closed the swimming pools,
And told us ‘stay at home,
Don’t go out unless you must,
But you can pick up the phone.’ 

You can dial out for pizza,
The Chinese opens late,
If you’re looking for a change,
Get curry for your date.

You’ll have to date on Zoom,
And eat curry while you chat,
No one sees your bottom half,
They cannot see the fat.

This lockdown is quite deadly,
As we eat in great excess,
We’re storing up a crisis  
For our precious NHS. 

Round-up

  • “Death rate back to normal as Covid infections fall by third in a week” – The Telegraph reports on the latest Covid Data that are prompting some experts to call for a faster roadmap to exit
  • “Matt Hancock claims he ‘bows to no-one in his admiration’ for NHS staff and praises his nurse grandmother as he defends ‘fair’ and ‘affordable’ 1% pay rise” – MailOnline report on the debacle of pay rise for front line staff. How long before the U-turn? Another 24 hours?
  • “It’s time for medics to speak out about unethical virus policy” – Dr Mark Shaw calls on Medics to stake a stand for medical ethics, especially in regard to vaccines, in the Conservative Woman
  • “Do not rollout COVID-19 vaccine passports” – The Government has now responded to this petition, repeating the line that it is “reviewing” whether COVID-status certificates could play a role in reopening parts of the economy. Over 263,000 people have now signed and the debate is scheduled for March 15th
  • “Health Secretary’s fencing-hopping fitness routine sparks string of memes” – MailOnline has gathered together some of the twitter reaction to Hancock’s playful frolics in the park
  • “Grandmother, 66, who was terrified of infecting her family with Covid killed herself by stepping in front of a train” – A tragic story reported in MailOnline
  • “Drop in COVID cases resumes after slowdown | Prof Tim Spector” – Tim Spector predicts we won’t fall below the lows of last year due to false positive rates
  • “The case against lockdowns” – Whatever the precise effect of lockdowns, their costs far outweigh their benefits and they should be lifted immediately, argues Philippe Lemoine in a magisterial post for the CSPI
  • “The Perpetual Covid Crisis” – Editorial in the WSJ on the powerful lobby that wants lockdown to go on forever, despite the falling rates of infections and hospitalisations and despite the ongoing vaccinations
  • “The Emancipation of Texas” – “Even in the face of danger, Texas prefers the risk of freedom” writes Jeffrey A. Tucker for AIER
  • “Birth Dearth Nine Months Following Covid Lockdowns” – Again for AIER, Gilbert G. Berdine looks at one of lockdown’s many unintended consequences
  • “South Dakota Tour In The Time Of Coronadoom” – Writing on the William Briggs blog, Richard Greenhorn reflects on a honeymoon trip to South Dakota where ‘Coronadoom’ is not a way of life
  • “Inside Hong Kong’s lockdown prison” – Hong Kong’s draconian quarantine regime is an attempt by its China-controlled political leaders to crush the democracy movement, says Stephen Vines in UnHerd
  • “Yes, I know we disobey orders. But what else can I do?” – Antonio Castillo reports for Inside Story on how street vendors in Latin America are breaking lockdown restrictions simply to survive
  • “Now there’s a real state of emergency in Victoria” – Beverley McArthur, a  Liberal Legislative Councillor for the Western Victoria Region, denounces the nine-month extension of the Andrews’ Governments emergency powers in an article for Spectator Australia

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Twelve today: “Columbia” by Oasis, “Hanging On” by Ellie Goulding, “Lie To Me” by Tom Waits, “How Long” by Ace, “The Future” by Leonard Cohen, “Reason Is Treason” by Kasabian, “The New Pollution” by Beck, “Alienated” by Urban Dance Squad, “It’s Not Funny Anymore” by Babybird, “I Don’t Worry About It” by the Meteors, “Rage Hard” by Frankie Goes to Hollywood and “Trouble Every Day” by Frank Zappa.

Love in the Time of Covid

Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty as Bonnie and Clyde

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email Lockdown Sceptics here.

Sharing Stories

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you the woke makeover of the military-industrial complex, where NATO, the CIA and the US Army are all bending over backwards to emphasis how diverse and inclusive they are while spending eye-watering sums of money on new and better ways to kill people. Paddy Hannam sums it up for Spiked.

This week, the world’s most powerful military alliance tweeted, “Diversity is our strength.” The tweet featured a video of employees of various ethnic backgrounds, including both men and women, telling viewers to “respect our needs” and “embrace our differences”. NATO encouraged Twitter users to share the tweet – which was in honour of #ZeroDiscriminationDay – “to join us in celebrating the differences that make us stronger”. The organisation which bombed Iraq and Libya back to the dark ages is diverse. How nice.

It’s not just NATO that has leapt on the woke bandwagon. Former CIA boss John Brennan – the ‘principal coordinator’ of a US anti-terror ‘kill list’, who also oversaw American drone strikes – revealed his white guilt this week. “I’m increasingly embarrassed to be a white male these days with what I see other white males say,” he told MSNBC.

The US Army is in on the fun, too. It has its own “Equity and Inclusion Agency”, which launched ‘Project Inclusion’ last year. This operation included “listening sessions with soldiers and civilians worldwide to converse on race, diversity, equity and inclusion”. General James C McConville, Chief of Staff of the US Army, said on the army’s website that it “must continue to put People First by fostering a culture of trust that accepts the experiences and backgrounds of every soldier and civilian”. I wonder what the citizens of the many countries the US has attacked in recent years would have to say about that.

The military is signed up to the environmentalist agenda, too. Both the US and British armies are pursuing ‘Net Zero’ emissions targets. The army needs to be “on the right side of the environmental argument, especially in the eyes of that next generation of recruits that increasingly make career decisions based on a prospective employer’s environmental credentials”, according to senior British general Sir Mark Carleton Smith. The military, with its gas-guzzling tanks and fighter jets, is a significant emitter of CO2. So apparently, in order to attract recruits for the next foreign war, we need eco-friendly death machines. …

Raytheon, a defence and intelligence company which makes, among other things, aircraft engines, missiles and drones for the US military, partnered with the Girl Scouts in 2019 in order to promote a feminist message. A company representative said on Raytheon’s website, “we are all about using innovation to make the world a safer place, and we need engineers, especially female engineers, to drive diversity and innovation for the future of our technology”. It seems Raytheon wants more diversity in its bomb-making department.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Soft Power is going woke too, writes Bruce Newsome in the Critic‘s Artillery Row, commenting on the recent Global Soft Power Summit 2021:

How do you turn “soft power” into an anti-racist, anti-Western, pro-China, neoliberal, anti-Brexit aspiration? You partner with the BBC to host a soft power conference. You invite Hillary Clinton to headline it. You introduce her as “the best President we never had”. You put David Miliband on one panel. On another panel, you put David Heymann (the Labour Government’s Chairman of what is now Public Health England). You invite Carl Bildt to represent continental progressives. You invite Tom Tugendhat as your sole “conservative”; a Remainer who won’t disagree with your handwringing about Brexit.

The nominal host of Thursday’s four-hour conference was Zeinab Badawi of BBC World News, who repeated her favourite self-identification as “someone who was born under the African sun”. Clearly unprepared, out of her depth, and star struck, she kept fluffing her lines and circling back to criticism of the West.

Joe Nye, the author of the term “soft power”, was there too, to remind us inadvertently that the wokeness of “soft power” begins with its vagueness

Worth reading in full.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

Stop Press: MailOnline reports on a study which found that the growing trend for double-masking, practised by President Biden and many others, might well be pointless.

Double-masking is only slightly better at stopping the spread of coronavirus than wearing one face covering, a study has suggested.

Japanese researchers said wearing one surgical mask that is fitted correctly could stop up to 85% of viral particles from passing through.

Doubling up on surgical masks offers no benefit because air resistance builds up and causes leakage around the edges of the mask, they claimed.

The study found there was some benefit in wearing a tight-fitting reusable mask on top of a surgical one, but it was marginal, offering up to 89% protection.

The experts, who used a super-computer simulation to test different face covering combinations, said ‘the performance of double masking simply does not add up’.

Their findings contradict recent recommendations from health experts in the UK and US, who have claimed it’s ‘common sense’ two masks are better than one.

Stop Press 2: Those amusing folks at the Babylon Bee have written a spoof article about a progressive who’s pleasantly surprised to discover he can still double mask even when mask mandates have been lifted.

Progressive Surprised To Learn He Can Still Wear Mask Even Without Government Forcing Him Tohttps://t.co/qmiFgt4Axh

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 5, 2021

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. In February, Facebook deleted the GBD’s page because it “goes against our community standards”. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional, although that case, too, has been refused permission to proceed. There’s still one more thing that can be tried. You can read about that and contribute here.

The GoodLawProject and three MPs – Debbie Abrahams, Caroline Lucas and Layla Moran – brought a Judicial Review against Matt Hancock for failing to publish details of lucrative contracts awarded by his department and it was upheld. The Court ruled Hancock had acted unlawfully.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland  for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.”  Further information available here.

There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who also submitted a retraction request, which was rejected in February.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago

Good morning everyone – the headline today reminds me of Last Tango in Halifax!!

Great series

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

Those wicked, wicked old people, believing what they were originally told.

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miahoneybee
miahoneybee
4 years ago

2nd 😊…great but a poor nights sleep is the reason so maybe not so great ..never been so high before though 😊😊

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

This glacial exit from lockdown is not cautious, restrictions are not cautious, lockdown is not cautious, it is disastrous.

Restrictions are extremely damaging.

Saying a glacial exit from lockdown is cautious is like saying a slight reduction in the number of times Frank Bruno punches you is cautious.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Or leaving a burning building slowly is cautious.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Waiting for a health & safety assessment before rescuing a drowning child is cautious.

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Jonny S.
Jonny S.
4 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Frank Bruno?
You’re showing your age.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Always look on the bright side, Cambodians who flout Covid rules could face 20 YEARS in prison after parliament passes draconian law be thankful you don’t live in Cambodia.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

& enjoy freedoms in democratically elected countries Pelosi-appointed general recommends establishing permanent QUICK-REACTION TROOPS in DC to protect government from the governed where we love our leaders.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Right…someone who supposedly won an overwhelming majority needs to hide behind barbed wire surrounded by thousands of soldiers…

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

If I had an army of tanks, Boris would need exactly that.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

A Praetorian Guard. All the best democracies have one.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I thought Cambodias main problem was flu rather than Covid ?
Still why miss an easy chance to introduce draconian powers by a nasty government.

It was clear that ‘public health’ would be a danger once it was elevated last decade.

The most murderous phase of the French Revolution was during the rule the ‘Committee For Public Safety ‘.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The word used was actually salut, which is closer to ‘salvation’ than ‘safety’. The Committee turned bloodshed into a dogma.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

‘Salvation’ must have been too subtle for my history books 🙄

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

they must be missing the benevolent leadership of Pol Pot

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Coming, shortly, to a location near you!

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Delingpole did have a headline last year saying, “We voted Boris, we got Pol Pot.”

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The country of the Killing Fields and Khmer Rouge….

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Waldorf
Waldorf
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

It wasn’t a human rights paradise before them or after them. In the 1960s, Sihanouk’s police disembowelled members of a music group for singing songs deemed subversive, and displayed their livers outside the police station. Sihanouk was overthrown by Lon Nol, which gave rise to an anti-Chinese pogrom.

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Janette
Janette
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Unfortunately it might just be a matter of time. We must must push back.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago

No I wouldn’t recommend children or anyone watch Attenborough! A complete fraud that guy.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

He brought snooker to our television screens.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

To Richard,
‘s shame, David is related.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

He was wheeled out in the first week of the bollox, to tell everybody to stay in prison. Haven’t heard him denouncing the filthy residue from a trillion face nappies lately, either. The disgusting old hypocrite.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

His best before has definitely expired.

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rose
rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

No he’s not complaining about turtles and birds with face nappies stuck on their bodies . Or all the plastic waste. And extra energy being used to beat schools etc who keep windows open all day. My mum had some disability aids delivered (arranged by NHS) yesterday. Delivery lady got out of car, masked up and put gloves plastic apron on. Mum was told to open all doors and Windows while the woman was there.

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straightalkingyorkshireman
straightalkingyorkshireman
4 years ago
Reply to  rose

Some people have been very deeply disturbed by all this.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  straightalkingyorkshireman

Maybe they already were and this has just brought it to the fore.

Like the U.S. voting for Trump brought out all the anti-American vested interests.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

He was making loads of noise about straws and coffee cups.

Then tumbleweed about muzzles and disposable PPE.

Most odd.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

He’s got the word “Sir” in front of his name these days hasn’t he? That tells me all I need to know. You don’t get given titles by thinking for yourself – they are a reward for “fitting in” to the nth degree.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

Hence the reason why Devaid Bellamy, his rival “only” had a CBE.

Can you imagine if both men debated each other.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Regarding environmental messaging hypocrisy on a more local level, we have the issue of massive amounts of litter being left behind by the council when they come to collect recyclable waste. Our local council policy is that recycled waste must not go in refuse bags, so when they come to collect it, the litter gets flung all over the place.

So here we have the public doing their bit for the environment (while simultaneously dumping their muzzles everywhere), separating their rubbish, even cleaning it when necessary, just for the council to chuck it all over the place – and usually gathers in my bloody garden!

We live in a maddening world.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

the public face of the BBC’s “climate catastrophe” lies and scaremongering

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

Times are hard for satirists. https://youtu.be/EtwFoTzVdZs In the above video Boris Johnson tells us all to exercise. He extolls the health benefits. He even tells us that his government is promoting exercise. And he does all this with a straight face. Johnson is, of course, right in saying that exercise is beneficial. He is also correct in claiming that it should be encouraged. Indeed, lack of exercise is the major public health problem. But claims to be promoting exercise from the leader who dictatorially imposed lockdown (on 23 March 2020 for three weeks, which is constantly extended into the near future by ever changing rationales), placing people under virtual house arrest looks like nothing so much as a flagrant attempt to steal the work of satirists. In the video Boris deftly dismisses any notion that closing gymnasiums might have made it more difficult for people to take exercise by pointing out there are apps on your phone, neatly eliding reality and virtual reality, with a clear preference for the latter: appearance over substance. So the fact that sport has been shut down (except for the elite), that exercise can only be taken with members of one’s household, that the police… Read more »

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The stay indoors and ban exercise policy on health grounds is completely counter productive. The national weight gain this winter though will be huge, bringing yet more people into serious bad health red zones.

The cynical among us may believe Bunter has another agenda.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

The stay at home and rot policy might well prove productive, if the real aim of government is depopulation. Of course, the main tools of the depopulation agenda are the Covid terminator vaccines, that clearly aren’t vaccines, but lack of exercise will certainly help things along a bit. As they say at Tesco, every little helps.

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Dobba
Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Exercise is important, agreed – but it means nothing if you’re shovelling shit into your mouth on a daily basis. Food is the public health crisis and until we change that and peoples perception of what is in it that is causing us to get heart disease, cancer, COPD, diabetes etc then going for a jog or walk will do little.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/43/1/1

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Dobba
Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hey! I’m not denouncing sport at all – do a shit ton myself but people think that going for a jog or walking a few miles will counteract the food they eat. Sprinting (and I mean absolutely pegging it) for one mile will burn less than 100 calories. A 5 Mile walk around 300 calories. Then we eat and drink a load of shit and wonder why we’re not losing weight. ‘But I exercise’. You don’t.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Yes, but if you do lots of exercise your body craves good food, and naturally rejects the garbage. And when you’re at your correct weight for the day, you don’t feel the urge to carry on eating.

That’s my experience anyway.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

You need to hang out with some parkrunners TJN – it is literally all about cake and buns and brownies and flapjacks. I accept that sprinters, cross fitters and weight lifters may be different.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

I LOVE cake and buns and brownies, but not flapjacks, so maybe I may yet reach Nirvana.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

I’m speaking mainly from a swimming point of view – which I can’t do right now. But I find when I’m training I instinctively want good food, and stop eating when I don’t need anymore. Don’t mind the treats of course, but they do become just that.

But it must be easy to slip the other way, and become addicted to the next sugar rush, caffeine, or coca cola hit. Lockdown will have done much to engender that.

I’ll probably be banned from swimming pools from now on, as I won’t have had the jab. Still, another 6 weeks and the sea will become possible (for me!) again.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

They’re probably searching for a variant in sea water right now.

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

We walk daily at the coast in Kent. Never have i seen so many swimmers during the winter, there are dozens of loonies braving the cold water. I crave a swim, but no way I’m getting in the freezing English Channel until at least May!

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

Yep, late April to May for me – even in a wetsuit!

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Alpine
Alpine
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

Where in Kent? My sister is a Kent sea swimmer, and we have travelled from London to join her a fair few times over the winter (Folkestone, Tankerton, Hythe…)

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Don’t worry too much, as sooner rather than later, we the unvaccinated will have the pools all to ourselves. Though, we may have to take turns at stoking the boiler and checking the chlorine levels.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Ummm – Heaven knows where this will end. Seriously.

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dhpaul
dhpaul
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Speak for yourself! On the parkrun that I go to in normal times, the cake and coffee crowd are a very small minority.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

As a regular competitive runner over many years I found that the phrase “you can’t outrun a bad diet” is sadly true. Weight loss is 80% food intake and 20% exercise – I always put on weight pre-marathon despite the regular twenty mile training runs. And it’s a fact that about 90% of runners do it just for the cake.

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ElizaP
ElizaP
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

…and somewhere or other I read that it’s surprising how many calories one burns just from being a fidget. Up/down/twist around and generally can’t sit still in one’s own home.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

No one can sprint for a mile. The longest time that any human being can sustain a sprint is twenty seconds.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

No you can’t out-train a bad diet, although exercise always means something. Getting quality fruit and veg in any big supermarket isn’t easy, much looks ready for the bin , not to sell but the government let’s them stay open. If there was one area I wouldn’t have minded shutting it was was big supermarkets.

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Dobba
Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Hello to my native city. 😊 It does – but it’s one step forwards two steps back. There’s plenty of fruit and veg in supermarkets – the quality of it variable admittedly but a microwave meal or high sugar and bad fats is easy and more appealing to most. Food education should be fundamental in schools other than baking cakes and at home by parents. We’ve been programmed to fall for advertising (more so these day) when the best route for health is more whole foods and less shit.

Simple equation: eat/drink less shit + exercise more.

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fiery
fiery
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Absolutely agree. I think the equation should be given to overweight nurses.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  fiery

All that dancing didn’t cancel out the cupcake intake did it😂!

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Dobba
Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  fiery

So true. As an ex-NHS employee (not clinical – medical illustration department) who went all over the hospital from wards to theatre I was amazed how unhealthy the people were that worked there. It was like the walking dead – and that’s just the staff. During theatre operations there’s trays of pizza and cakes and sandwiches brought in throughout the day for people to eat during procedures. The NHS is a business – it’s not about health I found. Eye opener.

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Robin Birch
Robin Birch
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

It’s Captain Tom’s fault – didn’t a chunk of the £30M go to buy comfort food for our hardworking NHS folks. The only problem being that a lot of them haven’t had much work to do. What a rotter he turned out to be.

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  Robin Birch

And most of them plainly didn’t need any more food.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Input should match output.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Do yo know any other words besidea sh.t?It’s getting a bit boring.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

If you shut big supermarkets, the people in my area would have starved as we have no markets and our high street was decimated a long time ago so it’s now non-existent.

That’s the reason why I get angry with lockdownistas who bang on about “staying at home” and “staying local.” For many people “local” means no decent shops and no amenities.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

I buy almost all my fruit and veg on the market. Much cheaper, locally sourced (I buy in season), probably fresher.

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

i used to too but havent been back since a run in with the stasi gestapo guards there . no way am i wearing a mask there . i even wrote to one of the nice farmers that would be back when no masks but got no reply .

i wonder if they know they a re losing customers because of the zombie rule although maybe i really am in the minority a more scary thought than the zombies

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

That’s pretty much vindicated my thought from the beginning that this long ago ceased to be about a virus.

And of course “protect the NHS” is a joke because the NHS will be overwhelmed alright but not by Covid. It will be untreated illnesses, illnesses acquired because of lockdown, mental health issues, substance abuse, domestic violence.

When the NHS start wailing about those I will point out that they were complicit in their own problems.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Although by the time many of those present they are terminal, which keeps things simple and fairly cheap.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMq9IlweGuw
Keith Cuntabout on the NHS….

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lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I assume the House of Commons has its own gym, though? Just as it has a smoking-room. We should demand use of them, after all, they belong to us and we pay for them, just as we pay for all the damned perks denied to the rest of us – the ‘commons’ – whose House it is.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I regularly point out the fact top-level football has continued (without the presence of the peasants in the stands). Millionaire pansies are permitted to kick a football round, hug each-other, spit everywhere, shake hands, etc, then as soon as the match is finished, on goes the muzzle and they’re ferried away together on a bus.

On the other hand, golf is banned, where competitors mostly find themselves hundreds of yards apart, tennis is banned, archery is banned, moto racing, badminton, baseball, canoe/kayak, cricket, rock-climbing, sport cycling, equestrian (to prevent the horse catching corona off the rider I guess), skiing, etc, ad infinitum…

Why can’t the general public see the ridiculous double-standards? (A rhetorical question)

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Javy
Javy
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

This is a mystery to me too J4ames. How can it be OK for all those footballers and rugby players to carry on hugging, tackling, back slapping etc. when everyone else has to keep their distance from each other ? I’ve been waiting for one of the media journalists to ask this at the daily TV updates but not heard a peep about it so far….

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago

„…the Government has made it illegal to leave the country for non-work reasons from March 8th. In guidance published yesterday…“ WHAT DAFUQ kind of dystopia are you living in???

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Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

And supposedly on a road map OUT of lockodwn and made just now- message loud and clear…

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

A “nobody leaves the country until everyone is vaccinated” dystopia

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

yes, how long till these “exit passes” morph into vaccination passes to leave the country, regardless if the destination requires the poison.

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GuyRich
GuyRich
4 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

Maybe this lines up with something about to happen, for which people would want to flee the country over? Just surmising.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  GuyRich

I think you may be on to something. That wouldn’t be happening without a reason and a bad one at that.

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GuyRich
GuyRich
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Unfortunately, I think something bad is always just about to happen! This is a genuine nightmare for me.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Elisabeth

The one where you promise freedom with a jab but then deny freedom with laws. All those that had the jab like Hitchins to facilitate free movement must feel pretty stupid right now.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

He won’t be feeling anything before too long, but as you as you say stupid will do, for now.

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BertieFox
BertieFox
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

He’ll just mumble his way out it and if anyone critizises him he’ll tell them they can’t think and are stupid.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Anti-school shutdown group launches campaign against masks in class, dividing Brits over whether they’re ‘degrading’ or necessary

In an open letter to Education Secretary Gavin Williamson on Thursday, UsForThem argued that “you can’t teach with face coverings and you can’t expect people to learn with face coverings.”

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

UsForThem were, I believe, quoting a notorious dissident and shameless Coviddenier called Boris something.

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

This campaign is gathering momentum and it will help us all. I told my agency yesterday that I will not teach in a classroom where children are wearing masks.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

What if each child in the class is allowed to make their own choice ?

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rose
rose
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My granddaughter will wear one. She’s been got at. She is also having tests. I sent all the relevant info about abstaining to no avail

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

If they can prescribe children contraception, and help arrange terminations, of course they can ! See “Gillick Competency”.

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Good point, in fact in my email to the agency I used the word ‘compelled’, however the issue is that any mask wearing introduces a barrier to communication and results in classroom management problems. I speak from experience.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Voluntary masks will still be a barrier to communication.

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rockoman
rockoman
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Give it a month and nobody would be wearing them.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Not good enough. No masks is no masks.

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Children should not be allowed to make decisions that significantly harm them.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Good for you, cheers, salutations.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Did you see that fantastic YouTube video yesterday from the three lady doctors talking about the effect on children. Why do politicians not listen to these “experts” rather than the sudo experts like Mitchie from sage? You have turned a generation of children into germaphobes.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Because they are looking at Behavioural Insights for control not for medical reasons.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Apropos ATL item 2, Schools.
Local Live online (mirror group news) 5/3/21.

‘A growing army of parents are demanding schools go back to how they were run before the Pandemic.

Mums and dads have cited the ‘harm’ enforced Covid 19 measures have on children in the past year.

A campaign group called Fight For Our Kids has been founded by mum-of-four Tara Porter who says she cannot sit back and watch her children suffer more.

Her campaign is calling for.
● No more testing in schools
● No more masks in school for teachers and children
● No ‘bubbles’
● No social distancing.

Tara has organised a strike day both locally and nationally for Monday 15th March when parents will take their children out of school to peacefully protest on the streets.’

Tara’s local group is said to number 300.
Local Live seem to give explicit support by giving the story the usual 223k likes.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Good luck to her and it should be extended to working people. Many still don’t realise that there are two easy ways to end this shit show:

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP WEARING MASKS

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ElizaP
ElizaP
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Not to forget:

STOP OBEYING ALL LOCKDOWN INSTRUCTIONS

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  ElizaP

That too!

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

And stop getting vaccinated with the Gates terminator vaccines.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

That’s Lock Down number four lined up Nurses are threatening to strike over the Government’s ‘insulting’ 1% pay rise offer for the NHS

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

If NHS. closed down completely owing to a strike, there would be a lot less Covid, for starters.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

We protected the NHS, they clearly have no interest in protecting us.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

They never have. That’s the joke. They’re just a giant taxpayer-funded pharmaceutical money laundering racket.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

I had the misfortune to work for the NHS for many years and I was appalled at the theft (almost considered a ‘perk of the job’), waste, fraud and corruption. Nobody is ever prosecuted as it ‘looks bad’ to the public. You could triple the funding and most would leave via the back door. I can tell you for a fact that they do NOT like a whistle blower and although I saved them losing another couple hundred of grand, I was never forgiven and hounded out of my job. The thieves range from cleaners up to the execs. The frauds are more sophisticated. Clap for them? Never!

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jcd
jcd
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

And fewer deaths!

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MFvH
MFvH
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Just wait for the u-turn….

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  MFvH

I don’t think so. People will start to slowly understand what a lying bunch of fuckwits make up the government. Boris played the NHS card every time he could, flag waving, praising them, clapping them. He is a complete idiot, putting this group of people on a pedestal, making their heads big eventually needs some payback. Its a highly unionised environment, highly controlled, so ripples of discontent from senior management who are hated by the staff will be seen as support and will provoke more agitation lower down and be seen as support for them by the seniors. Divide and rule. Seniors will get a payoff to slap them all down soon, just wait and see. The cabinet have no people management skills and rely on wonks, polls and feed back groups to tell them what ‘the people’ are thinking, yet these people are all deficient in these skills too. A feedback circle of the same opinions leads always to the same answer. Do what is the exact opposite of what is actually required. Boris has pulled up the bridge on any kind of opinions outside of the inner circle and SAGE, so he is well and truly fucked. He… Read more »

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richardw53
richardw53
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

And he has had the unbelievable arrogance to allow Princess nut nut blow around £200k on redecorating the Downing Street flat!

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  richardw53

I believe the allowance to be 30k for refurbishment they therefore owe the taxpayer 170k refund.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  richardw53

Just think I had my whole house refurbished plus rewired for 20 grand.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Worthwhile emphasising::

“Nothing will change at all, in fact you can bet that it will still get worse, until the people rise up and say enough and then we can get back to our lives.”

Great Reopening and StandupX 20 March.

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popo says
popo says
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

They just need to lose some weight™, smarten themselves up and make themselves more babies attractive… That’s what the Deer Leader would say.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

A 1% pay rise isn’t “insulting.” Given that the government has destroyed the economy to allow them to do Tik Tok videos and indulge in free food to their heart’s content.

They should count their blessings as others have had their pay cut, frozen or they’ve lost their jobs.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes in the real world where about 2.5 million people have lost their jobs from policies aimed at protecting you. A 1% pay rise is a fucking luxury!!

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Hughie
Hughie
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Absolutely. I am absolutely fuming at the news this morning. Was a mistake to read it. This kind of abuse of the language:

The British Medical Association and other unions said their staff “have literally kept the country alive for the past year”

Just shows the utter cretinism afoot in these bloated organisations. More ridiculous inflation of the idea that this virus is some sort of terrifying plague.

I’m just so angry. These people have kept their jobs (even the ones who malingered their way through the whole thing at home) while IN THEIR NAME millions of us lost our businesses and income.

Completely mad

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FW
FW
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Job security and guaranteed pensions are increasingly valuable now.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Majority of Brits would be happy to carry vaccination cards if it meant they could travel abroad study finds amid Government’s proposals for jab passports That’s that then the mob has decided, isn’t democracy wonderful!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Britons with good reasons to go abroad face £200 FINES if they arrive at airport without a new permit from Monday – and could be ARRESTED if they lie on the form – under new plans to clamp down on illegal journeys It’s all for your own safety.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

„I’m from the government and I’m here to help“
„And nobody has the intention of building a wall“

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Dobba
Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Amazes me when they use these wild headlines using words like ‘majority’ and ‘overwhelming numbers’.

So, you’ve surveyed every single person in the country then mate? And the mugs keep getting mugged off.

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popo says
popo says
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

It’s called ‘Push-Polling’ It’s how Hitler got us into WW2: he pushed on Poland.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  popo says

Everything Hitler did was a-polling.

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popo says
popo says
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Brought to you by the ‘Hold my brain’ Department Behavioral Insights Team?

Last edited 4 years ago by popo says
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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

But again what was the question asked. Was it, would you carry a vaccine card or would you prefer not to be vaccinated at all and just go back to living normally? Mmmm I doubt it.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

They can FO.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

The science!Why wearing two face coverings may be pointless: Double-masking ‘is only slightly better at stopping the spread of Covid particles than relying on one’

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Last edited 4 years ago by Anti_socialist
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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Face masks do not prevent viral transmission.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

6 months ago

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frankfrankly
frankfrankly
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I saw an American article trying to debunk this by saying the mask wasn’t fitted correctly when we can clearly see the vapour comes through the mask and the tester is a trained doctor-desperate stuff by the true believers.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I would think that most of us on here would agree with you but the maskoid zealots would dis agree ‘cos the govment said so’.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

85% moron plays 89% moron.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I keep waiting for Sleepy Joe to pass out through lack of oxygen. What a muppet. The beauty of America is States can make their own policies and like Kristi and Joe really stick it to the man!!

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

because 2×0=0 ; just as you could wear 100 facemasks if you want, but you would still find 100×0=0

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

2 x 0 = 0. The ‘slightly’ is experimental error.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Genuine ? URGENT Message to the World from Israel you decide.

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Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

There is a good chance that it is, I watched an interview with an Israeli Lawyer yesterday confirming that this is happening there, so an upsetting listen. Genuine or not, the message “every hand on deck is needed” really does apply and urgently now, to here and everywhere.

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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

https://fb.watch/42Ula1sYe3/

Here’s more evidence from Israel.

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Bungle
Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Israel, Apartheid??? Come on, already! Ask any pal or Stein.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

WORLD FREEDOM DAY 20/03/21

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

What’s the difference between an injection and Boris Johnson?
One’s a little prick.
Vaccine = freedom to meet? My, how I chuckled!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

ATL: Oldies leading the charge out of lockdown/roadmap, let’s hope schoolchildren and their parents man the second wave on Monday.

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

What’s the difference between Matt Hancock and a bucket of shit?

The bucket.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago

Del Bigtree of The Highwire, who lives in Texas where all Covid measures have been dropped, reports that only 7.5% of the population has had 2 doses of the experimental gene therapy but since January “cases” are down 75%, hospitalizations are down 65%, and deaths are down 70%. IT’S NOT THE VACCINE. It’s the typical decline of hospitalizations and deaths at the end of every cold and flu season. Texas hasn’t vaccinated enough people to account for such huge drops since January. I would guess the same holds true for the UK insofar as seasonal patterns, though you have vaccinated a far higher percentage of the population. Here in Canada we’re seeing similar downward trends and we have vaccinated maybe 5%.

Of course the MSM will ignore seasonal trends and chalk up the disappearance of Covid to the vaccine. Just as they have ignored the charts showing identical curves between places that locked down and mandated masks and places that didn’t.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

The British establishment never really grasped the fact that the Earth goes round the Sun, not vice versa.
And that Establishment includes the President of the Royal Society, who believes devoutly in face knickers and, I have no doubt, reads his horoscope every morning in The Sun.

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hey, please don’t associate geo-centrists with the British Paedo-Establishment. I’m a geo-centrist, and most geo-centrists, were on to this bullshit from the beginning. The guy who wrote, “99%” Daz, is also a geo-centrist. The globe is a satanic conspiracy, along with evolution to take people away from the Creator, the intelligent design of creation, and directly responsible for the shitshow humanity is in!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

My County population 1.2 million
Total in hospital ‘with covid” 43, down 50% on last week. Includes patients admitted for other reasons who tested positive once admitted.
Patients in Nightingal hospital = Zero.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

This why the UK does not lift lockdowns until the percentage of vaccinations isn’t very high. So it can claim it is the lockdowns that keep deaths and infections down.

Otherwise, if lockdown is lifted and people see the virus is gone away, they won’t bother getting vaccinated.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

From the ONS infection survey data the PCR positives in the over 70s (the age group with greatest proportion vaccinated) in the UK haven’t come down any more than any other age group. In fact they went up shortly after vaccination

It’s seasonal decline for sure.

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Bungle
Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

PCR means nothing.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

But some policing in Canada has been CCP level of enforcement hasn’t it? Keep seeing these horrible YouTube videos.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Yes, some policing has been over the top but it’s been similar everywhere. The protests every Saturday in Toronto have seen police become increasingly aggressive.

The scary thing I heard about yesterday is the pastor in Alberta who refused to shut down his church and ignored anti-social distancing and masking during his services. He was arrested and jailed in February and was denied bail yesterday. Meanwhile we have let actual criminals out of jail due to Covid and this pastor will likely be sitting in a maximum security prison until his case is heard in May. Perhaps CCP level is being kind and it’s closer to North Korea. I’m not a religious person but I give a ton of credit to members of religious communities who have done far more than most to fight back against this tyranny.

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Bungle
Bungle
4 years ago

Your expert doctor has reproduced the Nightingale chart of deaths amongst his 14 pages of ‘Covid charts’. Covid charts are meaningless as there is no test for Covid. 13 wasted pages doctor/LS editor. As for the all deaths from CEBM, I have shown this several times btl and you can clearly see the pandemic ended at the end of May. However, ‘your doctor’ says “what puzzles me about this data is the lower number of overall deaths in the recent winter compared to last spring.” Doctor, listen please, last spring/earlysummer (March, April, May) there was a pandemic. This winter (November, December, January) there was no pandemic and deaths should have been normal. The reason they were high was that they co-incided with a massive increase in care home deaths resulting from ‘vaccine’ rollout. Editors,may I recommend you choose proper analysts rather than doctors employed by the NHS, an arm of the British government, bent on filling our citizens arms with poison.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

I’ve been looking at that nightingale plot on CEBM and pondering.
it’s a very odd shaped peak, we’ve had this winter. Every other winter (and indeed last spring) there has been a spike then a drop. This winter there has been a gently sloped hump. A flattened curve, so to speak.

Given that winter spikes are due to either cold (which it has also been this winter, so nothing weird there) or viruses then there’s something odd about this winter’s virus. I’m inclined to say you’re right Bungle and it’s the slow roll out of the vaccine (vs that of viral spread) that has prolonged the deaths. Plus you’ve probably got extra deaths in there from denial of medical treatment over the course of 2020. Misclassified no doubt thanks to nosocomial COVID.

You can’t say it’s lockdown that has flattened the curve, as it didn’t flatten it in Spring last year. And we all know it is bullshit.

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Bungle
Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Hi Sophie. Glad you know of CEBM. Indeed, every year there is an initial spike because these are dates of registration not occurrence. If you find ONS data for deaths in care homes, you will see the correlation with ‘vaccine’ roll out. Now which ‘O’ level student is going to tell me ‘correlation does not mean causation’? No, but what it does is it provides a hypothesis, a potential explanation, and before you jump to any conclusion, you need to search for other potential explanations. I cannot see many others, can you?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Yes and they keep looking at the data in isolation and not adding any context. And no mention of the deaths being misdiagnosed as cv. The only figure of interest is all cause mortality year on year and this winter has been normal when compared to other years. And considering we have been without a fully functioning nhs its a miracle. I really only browse atl now. See if there is anything interesting in conservative women. Other than that its all btl.

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
4 years ago

I read in the Telegraph that Johnson is planning a trip to India and then attending a G7 meeting in Cornwall.

I’ve lost track of time is; it April Fool’s already.

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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago

A trip down memory Lane…Summer of 2020 (my version of Summer of ‘69) I got my first real face-mask Bought it when I went to town Wore it ‘til my face went blue Was the summer of the first lockdown. Me and some guys from school Had a band and we played on Zoom. Jimmy quit, ‘cause he couldn’t hear us He should’ve tried from another room. Oh, when I look back now That lockdown seemed to last forever And if I had the choice Yeah, I’d never wanna be there Those were the worst days of my life Ain’t no use in complainin’ When there are no jobs to do Spent my evenings down at the drive-through That is all there was to do, yeah. Standin’ on your mama’s porch You said I wasn’t in your bubble If you could have held my hand I wouldn’t have caused so much trouble Those were the worst days of my life Oh, yeah. Back in the summer of the first lockdown, oh. Man we were killin’ time We were young and restless We needed to unwind So we went on a protest march, oh yeah! And now the times are changin’… Read more »

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

Our young people, find themselves where they are, because they have been monumentally let down and ill-educated by their parents. I’m so ashamed of my generation and the next. The only children who may come through this relatively unscathed, will have the minority of parents who refused to go along with the narrative or those who realised the agenda along the way, or the children are insightful enough to figure it out for themselves. My heart breaks for all of them.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

Young people need to be taught how to think, not what to think.

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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

My educational philosophy is
‘Education is lighting a fire, not filling a bucket.’
For too long schools have just filled children full of woke information and not taught them how to think for themselves. Children need inspiring, but many are expiring, so bored are they of their education. We chose to home educate ours. Our children, like seedlings have been nurtured in the greenhouse of our home until they have been strong enough to go out on the windy hill of the education system. We are seeing them standing strong as they go out in their teenage years and defend their faith and do not follow the crowd. My oldest 3 children, who are out there in the education system, eschew masks and tests, not because I make them, but because they see the insanity. They have not been blinded like the brainwashed masses to follow the sheep, they follow the Shepherd instead.

Last edited 4 years ago by Liberty
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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

Yes, exactly this. Schools are nothing more than Common Purpose indoctrination camps, and parents just don’t seem to care to know either that or the damage social media does.

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GuyRich
GuyRich
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

I love your attitude Liberty! I’ve looked at trying to PM you but can see how to. Any ideas, if you don’t mind?

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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago
Reply to  GuyRich

Send a message to icythus, that will get to me.

Last edited 4 years ago by Liberty
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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

I love to read your posts Liberty, they are beautiful and inspiring
and very well balanced. I get the feeling of someone who has travelled a very long way. Thank you.

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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago
Reply to  Tillysmum

Bless you Tillysmum, that’s such a lovely thing to say.

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

that’s my point. Or they have to learn to think by themselves, because the adults around them are severely deficient.

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katz
katz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

Excellent post. I’ve printed it out to join the others on my fridge. Thanks Jinks 🙂

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Janette
Janette
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

That’s brilliant Liberty

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

Will the young finally snap or are they too brainwashed?

Sadly from my encounters with my millenial colleagues they’re too brainwashed and too far gone to wake up. The fact that we had to undergo a redundancy process and their jobs were at risk didn’t wake them up.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

That good that is

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Richardm
Richardm
4 years ago

Figures don’t lie but liars can figure!

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago

UK Prison vaccination programme began rolling out at the end of January. Previous to the rollout, there had been one covid death in the prison population. No mention of the vaccination programme in the article, and so far, comments are open, though none have been posted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9332289/Covid-England-20-inmates-die-Covid-prisons-fortnight.html

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

For a week in early February my small provincial city showed a spike in cases. When looked at in detail they were all in the Ward containing HMP.

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Once the prisoners rumble on to these death-jabs murdering and disabling them, there will be such TROUBLE, previous prison riots will seem like a picnic in comparison!

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This happened to us too, there is an adult prison and YOI on the outskirts on our market town and they have virtually all our “cases”, no community transmission at all.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn? This week on Farming Today they reported on some research at the Quadram Institute on the microbial Biomone needed by chickens this involved collecting Chicken poo processing it and spraying the resulting material on young chickens to give them the healthy immunising exposure to bacteria/viruses that they were otherwise not getting due to being raised in sterile conditions. If you watch any commercial TV there seem to be endless adverts for disinfectants and other gunk that kills 99% of germs and viruses including coronavirus. There seems to to be a strand of human thinking that yearns for a sterile world where we are in total control and no bugs or viruses are allowed. But like the chickens we need need a bit of muck, it’s how life works. But it does seem to me that the authoritarian hysterical approach to Covid elimination is coming from the same brand of thinking that wants disinfectants that make your home sterile. It seems that authoritarian totalitarian thinking is a strong strand in human thinking and comes through very quickly and easily. As for me, I’m in ‘muck is healthy’ group and feel we… Read more »

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

My grandmother used to say you should, ‘Eat a peck of muck a day’. Excessive, but I got the point.

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Ivermectin is cultured from soil microbes.

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Mine said “we’ve all got to eat a peck of dirt before we die”.
Given that a peck is about 14lbs (or a stone) that seems more reasonable!

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

Hmmm, perhaps I heard her incorrectly.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Good post

Love the story about the chickens.

We seem far too adversarial in our relationship to nature. We need to embrace all life out there, including at the micro level rather than mistakenly believe we can control it.

Last edited 4 years ago by Freecumbria
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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

That’s one of reasons I’m grateful our children live on a smallholding. Muck is part of our life. We’ve all been removed from social contact where we normally meet new germs and we are indoors more. This does not bode well for our immune systems. Today we can fight back by digging the garden, stroking a dog or hugging someone not in our household. Get germs, save lives.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

Muck is good. As resident poet you need to write a poem about that!

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Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Freecumbria, thank you for the inspiration, I have just put a post up with a poem called ‘A PECK OF DIRT A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY.’

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Reminds me if a story about a very tidy farmer who kept pigs in ultra-clean conditions.The pigs went into a decline until restored to their proper, mucky environment.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Odd that post – my old dad used to say ‘eat a bucket of dirt before you die’ – as far as i know he ailed for nothing and it was the stroke that got him.

There is a theory that those countries with a high level of poverty and squalor have the most robust immune systems – worth thinking about?

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

I recall some research done in Germany into childhood Asthma. They found one group of children who did not have the problem: they grew up on farms.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

In the black country it’s a Peck o dirt. ( same difference).

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penelope pitstop
penelope pitstop
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

just looking at my kitchen floor with fragments of mud around from tramping round the garden, and the fact I hate hoovering, I think I can firmly say that I’m in the ‘muck is healthy’ group. p.s. the surfaces are fairly clean though! 🙂

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CapLlam
CapLlam
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I let my toddlers eat and play in the dirt, not once since birth have they been molly coddled and everything sanitised to within an inch of its life. My Bil however is over protective and keeps everything clean and sanitised over his child.

It’s best to play and eat dirt as they build up their immune systems.

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Sampa
Sampa
4 years ago
Reply to  CapLlam

That`s what my gran did with me, I was free to crawl around the garden and munch on anything that took my fancy, apparently I was partial to yellow flowers 🙂 She left me in my pram out in all weathers, rain and snow included.

Sixty something years later and I haven’t had a serious illness in my life thanks to a robust immune system built up as a toddler.

Thanks gran.

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FW
FW
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I’m currently experimenting with developing a different sourdough starter (very on trend, sorry). Earlier this evening was reading that a common reason for failure is if all the equipment involved is simply too sterile: nothing for the yeasts and lactobacilli to latch onto. Chimes perfectly with your comment! (NB equipment so far is an old yogurt pot, occasionally stirred with a plastic spatula. So no problems.)

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JaneHarry
JaneHarry
4 years ago

talking to SiL in California who was complaining that she and her family would have to wait longer for their vax, as the homeless are being given priority. My interpretation: so they have decided to clear the streets of the vermin first; just as here special priority is to be given to ‘adults with learning difficulties’ – all the markers in place, signalling furiously

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Have other FS’S noticed quite often when a survivor of Covid is wheeled out of intensive care after being in an induced coma for weeks, how they are still as fat as a “Tunkey pig” ( Black country dialect) for obese?
Strange, ain’t it?

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Especially when you consider how disgusting and miserly hospital food is. They must have been MASSIVE at the start of their stay.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Hospital food is mostly stodge.

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Laurence
Laurence
4 years ago

Clearly the vaccine is the reason we are recovering from COVID in the UK quicker than our neighbours such as France that don’t have it – we’ve been told so many times by the government and ‘scientists’ that it must be true.

The only problem is that the facts don’t support it – see the graph below comparing weekly excess deaths in France to England & Wales.

Well, obviously the facts are wrong – the government can’t be that dishonest or incompetent !

excess deaths 2021 france & uk.png
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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

I saw a vid the other day on panda talking to a pandemic modeller, he claimed there was evidence for waves, “it can be seen in the data”, but what isn’t taken into account are 2 very important things. First there is no precedent for a global lockdown, if its never been done before we have no idea how a virus would adapt to that behaviour, we could be exacerbating the problem causing waves of infection & mutation!

Second we compare Covid-19 to flu & colds etc, but no other virus or disease has ever been so intensely studied & monitored, so we are bound to learn more on the ecology of infectious disease, it may require a change in what we thought we know, or it was maybe corrupting what we already knew with inappropriate methods 😉

One thing is certain government & MSM created an environment of fear & hysteria that has almost certainly corrupted THE science, in itself may have affected the virus behaviour. Was the narrative of fear by design or mistake? Maybe we’ve been studying the wrong thing, we should have been studying the actors “controlling” the virus.

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

“Fear is the mind-killer”. From that, all else follows. Imagine the anxiety caused, you’ve been terrified into fearing this deadly virus, and now you have tested positive for it, you’re convinced you’re going to die, have an anxiety attack, and then get thrown on to a ventilator, as it’s the only approved treatment. I wonder how many times this scenario has been repeated?

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

Points I made in back in April 2020. If me & you knew this WTF were all the “experts” doing?

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Jinks
Jinks
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Selling their souls for thirty pieces of silver.

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FedupofLies
FedupofLies
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

They were preparing to sign their names to the Great Barrington Declaration.

The rest of the corporate penpushers were taking the silver.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

It’s the lamb that can’t see the wolf that is no danger to it that fares better

https://twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1366752754144796674

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FedupofLies
FedupofLies
4 years ago
Reply to  Jinks

Someone linked to a whole field about this. Some book on the subject of psychology making people ill.

It is BIOTERROR and the worst crime against humanity in terms of broad scope.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Waves that clearly lock in to seasonality.

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FedupofLies
FedupofLies
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I presume it is still worthwhile wearing a smiley face badge. I have mine ordered.

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FedupofLies
FedupofLies
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Sunetra Gupta of the Great Barrington Declaration and others like her, serious scientists with a large body of work and not just corporate pen pushers, pointed this out that peoples’ immune stystems are now more compromised than a Japanese businessman in a Russian hotel room.

This is especially the case with children who need to get out and mix.

That is why this is BIOTERROR and ALL those who carried it out need to be held to account and recieve DECADES in prison.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

I’m assuming this must have been posted before Exozome vs. Virus Theory it’s still an interesting short video & it’s always worth pointing out the ONLY settled science is in a coffin, everyone dies of something, but what?

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

If you look at the zoe map of symptomatic positives, it is surprising how areas with higher/lower numbers seem to line up horizontally. There’s a bit of that going on in North Somerset at the moment. Of course you might expect neighbouring areas to have similar levels if you believe in human to human transmission, but it is the way this happens horizontally that surprises me. And geographic features such as mountains seem to cause divides also from time to time.

I know we see patterns where patterns aren’t there, so maybe I’m being a bit pareidoliac.

Some sort of rigorous analysis of the zoe maps over time might be interesting to see if this is real or imagined.

Last edited 4 years ago by Freecumbria
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Alex B
Alex B
4 years ago

My favourite quote of the day from this article:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/05/covid-vaccine-side-effects-three-times-common-have-had-virus/
Ellie Barnes, professor of hepatology and immunology at the University of Oxford and one of the Oxford vaccine team, said: “There’s emerging data to show that when you’ve had a Covid infection your T-cells become activated, and then over the weeks after that they become memory T-cells and kind of calm down.
“But they are then able to respond very rapidly to subsequent vaccination. So if you’ve been infected before and then get your first dose of the vaccine, you have a really excellent response to that single dose compared to someone that wasn’t infected before.”
Once more I am reminded of the estimable Dr. Nick Riviera:
‘Inflammable’ means flammable? What a country!

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago

Pinch me someone, I might be dreaming. The occasionally coherent Nick Triggle has a BBC article questioning masks and testing for school pupils:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56285179

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Quotes some dork saying that masks do no good but help get schools open.

????!!!

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well yes, but should we be grateful for small mercies?

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Masking kids is not a small mercy. In any way, shape, or form.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

‘Johnson is no Churchill. If he is a Cnut, he is one who having convinced the people he can control the tide, let them drown in it.’

https://dailysceptic.org/follow-the-politics-not-the-science/

Lockdown sceptic legends: both of them (the authors)

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Halfacanute, Partacanute,, Rathacanute, Hardlicanute, Aftercanute, or Harold Harebrush?

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Complete

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Niborxof
Niborxof
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

He is an anagram of Cnut

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

‘Much of the data I have looked at this week does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.’

I have a ready explanation. This is what happens when you live under a dictatorship

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Much of the data I looked at last week does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.

Much of the data I looked at the week before last does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.

Much of the data I looked at the week before the week before last does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.

………

Perhaps you’ve hit on the explanation Cecil.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I think some people are still living under the assumption that we live in a democracy.
We experienced a coup on March 23 last year.When you understand that everything since makes sense.
No one seizes power in order to relinquish it.
To quote George Orwell.

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straightalkingyorkshireman
straightalkingyorkshireman
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

I was watching some movie clips of 1984 the other day and it struck me when O’Brien mentions isolating people from their family, friends and loved ones they no longer have any loyalty except loyalty to the state.
Some powerful stuff in that film.

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