Michael Gove has asked readers of his article in the Telegraph today to “keep sharing their views on the way ahead” regarding Covid vaccine passports.
Certification will be an inevitability for international travel. It could be a valuable aid to opening up our domestic economy and society faster. Unless the Government takes a lead we risk others establishing the rules of the road. So where should the lines be drawn to help protect freedoms, respect privacy, promote equality and get us back to normality? And how can we ensure our approach is proportionate and time-limited? Those are the questions we need to ask in the days ahead – and I know Telegraph readers will help us find common-sense answers.
Judging from some of the top-rated comments, Gove may regret having asked!
Sam Spencer (761 likes at the time of publication): Absolutely abhorrent idea, forcing a vaccine on people for a virus so deadly most people need to be tested to know that they have it…
89 deaths for people under 40 in England without pre-existing health conditions (according to NHS statistics) – why on EARTH should we tolerate any more of this dictatorship?!
You and your party have completely misjudged the mood of the nation and to be quite frank with you most people aren’t listening to the “rules” anymore. You’ve become obsessed with Covid to the point where no other death matters, we’re all sick to death of the goalposts constantly shifting and the barrage of lies.
I, like clearly every other Tory voter here will be voting with our feet. You’re a disgrace.
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Nick Jones (790 likes): Why do we need any of this if 99% of those at risk of dying are now vaccinated?!
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David Barlett (780 likes): It’s a disgraceful idea without justification.
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Jane Kerr (217 likes): If the aim is to “get us back to normality”, then there is absolutely no role for Covid certification of any type. It absolutely is not normal to have to prove you’re not infected with any particular disease in order to participate in normal life.
Your own Government is warning vaccinated people they mustn’t meet indoors because the vaccine is not 100% effective, so it would be utterly nonsensical to allow/exclude people from anything on the basis of whether they are vaccinated or not. Vaccinated people can still catch/transmit Covid.
If this is allowed, don’t imagine it’ll stop with Covid: how long before everyone is being tested for flu twice a week, or any other virus the Government cares to conjure up as the new bogeyman?
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James Wright (303 likes): You needed to address in your article why you were previously against vaccine passports whereas now you are in favour of them.
And don’t pretend this is some kind of consultation – we all know you are pushing it through, regardless of what anyone says, and regardless of your previous public commitments.
Can’t you see you are the epitome of why politicians are distrusted?
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Peta Seel (911 likes): I didn’t get past the first paragraph. The average age of death worldwide of (or with) Covid is 82. Almost all of them were either very old, had severe underlying conditions or both. That hasn’t changed from the start. Children almost never get it. Few young people who get it even show symptoms. Worldwide deaths are under three million since the beginning of last year. Spanish flu killed 50 million, mostly young people, in the same time span. Now just go away, you lying, deceitful, power-hungry and power-grabbing charlatan.
Perhaps most plainly stated:
Clare Spencer (833 likes): No, no, no. That clear enough for you?
Read more comments at the bottom of Gove’s article here.
Stop Press: The Telegraph has published its own compendium of the best responses to Michael Gove’s article. Here’s one of the comments:
Jonathan Powell: “Absolutely and emphatically not. It is a terrible idea that will destroy freedom, divide society and enable government overreach. And that’s the best that could happen. The worst is more chilling than can be imagined. It should not even be discussed.”
Well worth reading in full.
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The moment they truly jumped the shark. Regardless of the ethical minefield someone inside must surely be telling this ego-fuelled government that if they go ahead then historically they will be seen as implementing the most catastrophic domestic policy in living memory, if not of all time. Johnson promises a year but I expect there will not be a recognisable society left to govern by then
Not “govern”; oppress!
I must say those comments under Goves article in the Telegraph were an absolute joy to read and restored some of my faith in the British public once again – they were fantastic to read … I think I scrolled through pretty much most of them – they were coming in through so fast and furious at one point that I had trouble keeping up and many of those people did post a comment did not mince their words either – it was good to read this overwhelming opposition to vaccine passports – and as one comment correctly said … they are an ‘absolutely abhorrent idea’ – Gove has certainly misjudged the mood of this country where vaccine passports are concerned (or misjudged the Telegraph readership at least) … and that’s putting it very politely.
I actually thought a lot of the comments went one better than that – especially the person who commented on the low number of covid deaths and the fact that you need to have a test to know whether you have the illness or not – they were trashing the whole rationale of the mass vaccination programme, not just the hated vaxx passport bit of it. And the best bit of all is that these are DT readers, the Tory heartland. They cannot be dismissed by the government as “Sun reading plebs” or similar. I hope that people continue to comment in similar vein.
The Vaccines so NOT convey immunity and do NOT prevent transmission. Conversely, those who have natural immunity (Pre-existing, those who have contracted Covid and those asymptomatically exposed – variously estimated at up to 60% of the population) are fully immune and cannot trasmit. So, applying some logic, shouldn’t it be the second group, if anyone, issued with “Passports”? And beyond that, in view of the increasing incidence of sever AEs, I still cannot understand the rationale for mass vaccination against a “disease” with an overall survival rate of 99.7% (99.95% in the below 70 age cohort) and for which cheap effective treatments are available. So the issue at hand should not actually be “Vaccine Passports” but the need for vaccination itself. Florida and Texas have demonstrated categorically that when you stop, or dramatically cut back on testing, the number of false positives falls commensurately so, therefore, so do the numbers of “new cases”, Quite simply, stop testing and the “pandemic” is over. HMG, however, is ramping up testing further, providing free tests only to those without symptoms (I’m guessing that making people who are not sick pay for a test they don’t need would not achieve the desired results!!). Would… Read more »
“Would someone PLEASE explain the rationale behind that – because the only one I can see is to deliberately falsify the numbers of artificial new cases!!”
The government has a big contract with a private lab with a dodgy track record, but the government can’t admit that now, and they’ve probably already handed over our tax money to pay for them.
It also helps the scaremongering going to keep the public compliant.
Yes the Covid Economy is now huge with enormous uantities of (our) money going in few directions. They aren’t going to stop it any time soon. The passports are already bought and paid for.
Good to see “middle of the road” people standing up against it though.
Or they are on the testing business payroll
Put my piece in The Telegraph just now – think he got the point! Next stop May 6th!!!
I would have commented myself along similar lines, had I not recently cancelled my subscription to the Daily Telegraph in disgust over their refusal to take the risks of these novel “vaccines” seriously and persistent vilification of those who do. The Telegraph may find itself out of business if it doesn’t align itself better with the concerns of its readers; there are plenty of competing publications around these days.
Absolutely agree. The only reason I keep my Telegraph subscription is because my Partner still likes a read think it’s more habit than anything. However the moment they put it up I’ve told her I’m cancelling.
Indeed, yesterday reading the readers comments made me feel I was living in Britain again, surrounded by good people.
The “absolutely abhorrent” comment may have been mine, hard to say as there were so many. I’ve never seen comments coming in so fast as they were at one point yesterday. I was trying to read one and 5 would arrive above it. It was almost unanimous that the Tories are not wanted (this is Tory heartland speaking here) and they can shove their passports where their traffic lights should be! Fantastic stuff indeed!
But none of that will make any difference. Gove is pretending it is a ‘consultation’ but just wait, it’s going ahead anyway. These people now believe that they can literally, do anything they want.
Some brilliant comments there.
Have just been speaking to B-I-L. He used to work for Astra Zeneca as a scientist. Haven’t had much contact with him over the years for one reason or another, but we have been brought together now as we are caring for my M-I-L.
I was totally shocked to find that he is sceptical about what is going on. He questions the government’s motives in continuing the charade and can’t understand why there are so many conflicting views being put out. As he said, the cardinal rule of any big organisation is that you are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
I think he was surprised to learn that we felt exactly the same way as he did.
Shame I can’t see them – behind the paywall 😒
The site’s a bit buggy, you can usually see the comments if you click comments before scrolling down, alternatively in Chrome, refresh the page, click the “X” to stop loading quickly after you refresh (after a year you get the timing pretty down) and you can read all of their articles for free.
Reading some of those comments is the best laugh I’ve had in a long time.
He’ll undoubtedly ignore them but the strength of feeling is there.
As ever, it will be a case of translating it into action but these people will break rules I think to make their point.
Maybe Gove should try and set up “The Mask Wearers & Bedwetters Daily”?
He’d maybe receive the comments he wants.
Loved the comment referring to “Mengele” Gove.
Let him ignore them. See how long he ignores people ignoring his passport and making it unworkable. Boris should have given the job to someone with proven talent at rolling out new b.s….Matt Hancock for instance /s
The fact that the Blair Institute for Worldwide domination is involved in these ‘passports’ tells you all you need to know.
Don’t be mean! He knows what is good for you. Ask any Iraqi.
Ha, ha, ha. Love it.
The fightback is really getting underway now:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/04/vaccine-passport-wont-be-required-england-covid-safe-pilot-organiser-say
Venues taking part in a pilot for Covid-safe live events in England have rejected the suggestion they are involved in a trial for Covid certificates, with one saying it has received a “massive backlash” following a government announcement.
This is excellent news!
I wonder. Is even the Cabinet Office pipeline – the Groan – realizing that backing this one is not a convincing look?
Apparently.
They do occasionally come up with useful information.
That’s the way.
Boycot businesses that are complicit.
It’s what ended the witch hunts, and it’s what will prevent vaxx passports and end pseudo-wokeness.
Still requiring negative tests though. Until that’s dropped it’s still the new normal, not the old normal
As I’ve just informed one pro-passport commenter on the Telegraph.
Mine:
“Mr Gove, had you no idea that the typical Telegraph reader considers themself a free citizen not an applicant for a Gulag run by Covid bedwetters? Are you ignorant or insolent or both?”
Well – one thing we do know : if Gove backs it, it’s shite on wheels.
Perhaps the 2 entire days I spent writing my 10 page reply, with plenty of data and evidence was not wasted after all?!. It included under each of the questions: descriptions of the relevant Nuremberg Code terms, European Court of Human Rights decree, Equality Act 2010, and how this would be breached on several points both directly and indirectly General Data Protection Act 2018 and potential for breaches, ID theft and fraud pointing out PCR tests cannot indicate infection plus there are so many false results produced, that the vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission so a Covid-status certificate would just create a false sense of security, that the assertion asymptomatic people is false since scientific studies indicate this is extremely rare, also confirmed by a W.H.O. spokesperson that the certificate takes no account that antibodies are short lived but T cell memories last for years and can also recognise variants, that any certificate would go out of date within hours of being issued unless it was linked to the body and produced in real time – thus rendering the certificates useless for ‘opening up the economy’, it would create a 2 tier society and medical apartheid costs and… Read more »
They have been neglecting TB screening, treatment and research in favour of the fashionable covid, ask any pulmonologist
Excellent
Is your document accessible on the internet ShropshireLass, have you got a link?
This could be Boris’s poll tax.
fingers crossed
It could be! Later this month, maybe?
More like Hitler’s Stalingrad.
Perhaps Redwood might care to act as stalking horse once again
I do hope so. Should shut up the nonsense on climate change as well.
I said it before and i’ll say it again: If they manage to convince a country that has refused IDs (which are actually useful) to accept vaccine passports, then there is no hope left.
IDs aren’t useful. They’re just an intrusion into our freedoms. I’ve always taken great pride in the fact that Britain was one of the freest nations on Earth, because nobody could ever ask you to prove your identity. We don’t even have to carry a driving licence.
I come from a country where ID cards are a fact of life, a convenient addition to the passport and, sofar, not abused by the government.
Where we have zero vote fraud (ex Dominion) and laugh at Brits needing utility statements to prove their identity.
Driving licenses have only one purpose there: as driving licenses.
Having said that, I couldn’t understand Britons opposition toID cards back then, but I can understand it currently and, needless to say, I am totally opposed to vaxx passports in any country.
In short: they are not necessarily evil and not necessarily related with vaxx passports.
You just accepted them because they were a part of your life. They aren’t a part of British life and never have been outside of wartime. Nobody should ever be subject to be challenged for their ID by a police officer or anyone else.
But they challenge you for ID today anyways. They ask you to identify yourself anyways, and they can still ask you for a driver’s licence. What exactly is the diference? If you’re so worried about it, why not pass a law saying that carrying ID is not mandatory?
You have days to provide your driving licence, which is a different thing anyway i.e proof you can safely operate a complex piece of machinery. As for the Police you don’t have to tell them anything, ever. That right to remain silent is actually a right.
If you don’t have to tell them anything, ever, then why are you worried about them asking for your ID?
You’re required to provide a driver’s license when you are stopped whilst driving. When you are minding your business in the street and set upon by the police you can ignore them and carry on your day.
Again, if you can ignore them, why are you worried about them asking for your ID?
There is NEVER a good reason to speak to the police, even if you are completely innocent. They lie by omission constantly and will use every trick in the book to catch you out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
A Lawyer and Detective talk to potential law students here, both holding this view and laying out the multitude of reasons why.
IDs are both proof of address and proof of ID. You no longer need recent utilities statements that your bank may or may not accept. You no longer need to provide multiple documents to prove who you are or where you live, documents which are so very easy to forge (there are multiple offers online of people adding others to their bills so they can get fraudulent proof of address). You no longer need to worry if they got your name right or not. I have had issues with all of the above, issues which would never happen in a country with personal IDs. Not to mention that you don’t gain any sort of privacy out of not having IDs.
You aren’t selling this to anyone here – wasting your time
Just as well. I got mine the other day and it looks forged. I think a team from Art Ninja took a photo and laminated it.
I’d be more inclined to have a vaccine without them. With them – no chance.
My dad’s all for ID because we had them in the war.
But he’s an old authoritarian fool who’s swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and can’t see a problem with any of it
That was the war, with an enemy that you could see and talk to, not a molecule that you need an electron microscope to see.
Its seems so obvious that a low mortality virus continues to be exploited by crooks with agendas.
At 62 years old I have been a Conservative voter all my life aside from a wake up call to our non listening politicians on the subject of Brexit. I take some comfort in the fact that my local MP Mark Harper has made a stand against the madness but alas it will not be enough to stop me voting with my feet next time around. I’d like to thank everyone on this site for having the courage of their convictions and for the relentless questioning of the official line which we have no faith in.
Surely voting differently will make for little change if the invisible global dictatorship is at play ….
Voting against Mark Harper would be counterproductive, whenever the next general election is, but you’re right to not vote Conservative in May.
I think we should all give Michael Gove the benefit of the doubt, and just accept that he is thick; after all the alternatives don’t bear thinking about.
I am going to take medical advice from somebody who used to use Class A drugs ffs?
Well, I would, but there is much evidence to the contrary. Nope, he is just a thoroughly nasty piece of work inside a thoroughly nasty government.
No we shouldn’t. Someone that thick should be sweeping the streets, not be in government. See if he can make a broom last longer than Trigger.
Gove isn’t thick, that’s what makes him so dangerous
He’s not thick. Don’t make that mistake.
On the brighter side, here in the Lake District, lots of Gove’s North London neighbours have ignored his ‘no overnight stay’ rule and have come up here for a holiday.
They were trying to get away as far from him as they could but were scared to cross Hadrian’s Wall into the Badlands.
Vaccine Passports were on the EU statute books since 2018, before the UK Brexit.
https://ibb.co/FXR7Pxr
Amazing too, that pre SARS Cov2s release these vaccine mandates were being laid down, perhaps in Brussels they had a particularly good crystal ball?
Impfstoffe = Freiheit
All hail Bill Gates and the WEFs Fourth Reich Reset!
Well there we have it. Brexit was never about escaping from a dictatorship. It was about setting up our own, better dictatorship
FFS
There is no sound basis for a Vaccine Passport when the Vaccine is
1) Experimental
2) No Barrier To Catching the Virus or Passing It on
3) Over 50% of the Population has a Natural Immunity to the Virus
4) Over 99% of all people infected will recover from
5) When deadlier viruses are ignored
The people of this Land have had enough of the ludicrous rules that make no sense like 6 in the garden fine but add another 3 year old and it isn’t
6) Large families cant meet in a garden outside in more than 6 yet sign them on as a two football teams and your fine to have 30
No to Vaccine Passports. No to the People who try to implement them.
The people of this country will never forget the fear that this government has tried to instill in them and they will vote accordingly
Gove is yet another lying minion of the WEF, and is like the rest of his Covid Cult members totally out of line with most people in the UK. When you use skewed Mori ipsos / You Gov polls to determine policy you will of course get bitten on the arse. I have written to Gove, my own ‘furloughed, I’m too busy’ MP, Gov UK website, BoJo etc with much detail of the flaws of the Yellow Star apartheid policy known of ‘status certification’. They are the most corrupt, inept, government in history. And FFS why oh why are they taking instructions from the War Criminal Tony B(liar)? Did we not ‘Brexit’ to be masters of our own destiny? Apparently Gove, Handjob, BoJo et al are so weak that they require failed ex PMs, incompetent and charlatan modellers and brain dead ‘experts’ to tell them what to do. The BiT (gove’s pet project) coercion plans seems to work on them so they mistakenly thought the rest of us would blindly follow their manipulation. Said from Day 1 it was just the start of their machinations & unfortunately have proved to be correct. Well done all those on the Telegraph commentators… Read more »
“They are the most corrupt, inept, government in history.”
I wrote exactly that to my MP yesterday
I just temporarily subscribed to the Telegraph, just so I could give this buffoon a piece of my mind in a forum where he would most hope to get support:
“You, your government and your bogus advisers are an utter disgrace. Scientifically, morally and financially bankrupt, you are breaking the Nuremberg code by coercing healthy people to take an unnecessary, experimental intervention that you erroneously call a ‘vaccine’. I hope the whole populace rises up against you and your miserable accomplices like this Polish priest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw17l94Hq3k“
Just added my comments. Over 2,500 there, Gove is going to have a bit of a work on his hands if he really intends to read them. But he will get the message if he does, great stuff!
Nearly 7000 comments now – overwhelmingly against the idea of ‘vaccine passports/certificates’.
So appalling a concept that I have copy/pasted these favoured replies to my sadly useless CONservative (HaHa!) MP (Dan Poulter). I had given up communicating with him as I was sick of form replies, doubtless circulated by their central office, but this must not be allowed to stand!
He is dreadful isn’t he. You must live near me. I wrote to him several times, maybe my mistake was to tell him that he was a disgrace the first time I wrote and nobody in my family would ever vote Conservative again.
YouGov have found that 77% of comments in The Telegraph are favourable to the idea of a Vaccine Passport.
Almost as believable as YouTube then!
99.97%
Was that their 77th opinion poll since the beginning of the pandemic?
No – their 666th
Col Ellwood is probably not involved. Its more likely in the remit of ‘vaccines czar’ Nadhim Zahawi who also happens to be one of the founders of You Gov
I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that Bill Gates had commissioned, or supported with a multi million pound donation, a poll to test the water for covid passports. Apparently a huge majority were in favour. Now how can that be?
No but only the 77th Brigade responded to it!
Consulting Daily Telegraph subscribers on government policy seems an odd thing to do, even by the low standards of this government. I can think of only three explanations:
1. Somebody in government, possibly Gove himself, wants to kill off this insane policy, and do so in the most public way possible.
2. The government wants to achieve its final humiliation over the public, by “consulting” it over a policy it knows is universally despised, and then going ahead with it anyway.
3. The government has spent so long using behavioural “scientists” to influence public opinion, and so little time listening to the public over the last year, they genuinely don’t have a clue what ordinary people think any more, and this is their way of finding out.
I have absolutely no idea which one of these possibilities is the correct one.
I’ll go with “2”.
Or Gove has concluded they would be political suicide, but Prime Minister Theoden, wholly under the influence of Professor Wormtongue of Imperial Evil as a result of his near death experience, isn’t listening. So Gove has appealed to Torygraph readers, knowing PM Theoden, ex Torygraph himself, might accept that they represent the views of heartland voters.
If that’s the case – I think it is – I think the torrent of anger in his consultation worried him. The focus groups must be saying we love passports. Gove must be wondering if the focus groups and polls are highly misleading, aka fixed.
He’ll be keeping a diary so we’ll hear all about it eventually.
There isn’t any chance at all that the letters page in The Daily Telegraph will reflect the comments under this article. They’ll only print letters quibbling around the edges of this or being full on pro vaccine passports!
That’s something the management of the DT cannot comprehend. A circulation in free fall because they refuse to reflect the opinions of their residual readership
Hah. I’m willing to take that job back and save the paper.
This is all you need to know about vaccine passports , Naomi Wolf
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lh69yCkHIVLi/
The Telegraph usually does a good job of obstructing dissenting views , maybe the algorithm was overwhelmed.
Nice purple tie Gove you lying half baked shyster .
You aren’t injecting that stuff into me and I’m not having a vaccine passport.
If this isn’t a hill to die on I don’t know what is .
Thanks for the link ‘Bill’.
The only thing Naomi Wolf said that didn’t make sense to me was that the app would know what a group of friends are talking about while sitting at a table in a restaurant. That’s a bit far fetched and, sadly, her critics will use it to dismiss her as flaky conspiracy theorist spreading fake news. And that’s a shame, as everything else she said made a lot of sense and is alarmingly plausible.
Well Wolf is a liberals liberal, so at least that’s a start.
It can be done several ways. The analytics systems piece it all together,
they know you are together as the phones constantly talk to each other.
Conversation now includes constant reference to/use of the web/social media/phone etc and the ai systems can process all that to deduce conversation content and direction.
Also the phones can listen in to the conversation either by remote control or by unappreciated functions of apps on one or more phones.
Once the ai knows who you are with , these connections can be constantly monitored.
It’s the coming together of 3 strands of technology that is causing all the upheavals :-
big data
connectivity
artificial intelligence
The “internet of things” and the “internet of bodies” is the control grid being planned for us.
In the interests of all those for would like their voices heard without subscribing to the Telegraph. This link will allow you to vote in a poll currently being run by the Telegraph.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/03/exclusive-covid-passports-return-normal-life-may-not-ready-months/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
Doesn’t seem to work
May not now as some of these polls are time limited – sorry you missed it.
Vaccine passports as a trojan horse …
Boris Johnson’s opinion from 2004:
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1378783506596306945
As any politicion worth their salt would say, “When the incentives change, I change my mind”
Was that his own opinion or was that just the opinion of his puppet masters in 2004?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56634176
Letter from NHS consultant
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n810/rr-14
That’s fascinating : I was in for a routine procedure last week and usually I am familiar with a majority of staff. This time, I was struck by the number of unknown faces in two departments. There was also a greater shortage of porters than I have ever known.
P.S. Does this relate to the possible spike in deaths amongst the vulnerable after vaccination?
Certainly, the severity and number of side effects seems to be massively underplayed in the sample of acquaintances that I have information about. Earlier today, a family member (who had real severe Covid in the April wave) was telling me how awful she still felt after having the second jab some three days ago – just one of many.
And is there any proper scientific investigation of that going on? Because the yellow card system isn’t one. And if there is, would they tell us the results? Are deaths reported to that system autopsied?
The Pfizer yellow card reporting system, at least in London, is run by – yes, you guessed. Imperial College. It has a big empire.