The Government’s top scientific advisers have released papers today claiming social distancing and masks must remain in place for another year to avoid another wave of hospitalisations and deaths this summer at levels seen in January, despite the high vaccine take-up. The Mail has the details.
Social distancing will remain in place until next year even if Boris Johnson‘s roadmap out of lockdown goes to plan, the Government’s top scientific advisers warned today.
Senior SAGE sources said that while the vaccines prevent the vast majority of people from falling ill and dying from coronavirus, they “are not good enough” to see all curbs lifted “without a big epidemic”.
All legal limits on social contact were to be abolished by June 21st as part of the final stage of the Prime Minister’s four-step route out of the crisis. It was hoped that festivals, sports events and nightclubs would reopen and that families and friends could reunite in large numbers after that date for the first time since winter 2020.
However, No 10’s experts claimed today that “baseline measures”, including some form of social distancing and masks, would need to remain in place until this time next year. They said they are “reasonably confident” that Covid will be manageable by then.
The AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines reduce Covid deaths by about 90%, but there are fears high infection rates could see the virus spill into the small number of vulnerable people who haven’t been jabbed or for whom the vaccines don’t work.
Despite the pessimistic comments, Mr Johnson is set to announce the country is on track for the second stage of his lockdown easing plans on April 12th, which will see shops, gyms, hairdressers and beer gardens reopen again.
Cases and deaths are at their lowest levels in six months and more than half of the adult population has been vaccinated with at least one dose of the jabs.
Papers released by SAGE today show the expert group is confident next week’s lockdown-easing measures will not pile pressure on the NHS, even if there is a slight uptick in infections, because of the success of the jab rollout.
But the advisory panel is less optimistic about future stages of the roadmap, adding that it is “highly likely that there will be a further resurgence in hospitalisations and deaths”.
They said the reopening of pubs, cinemas and indoor hospitality – due to happen on May 17th – could be delayed if vaccine uptake in the under-50s dips below 85%.
Modelling by Warwick University, Imperial College London and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical medicine (LSHTM) warned of a late summer surge after “freedom day” in June which could rival levels seen this January when hospitals were nearly overwhelmed.
It comes despite the models being relied on having been consistently wrong in hugely over-predicting deaths due to faulty assumptions about the deadliness of the virus, the susceptibility of the population, the effectiveness of interventions and the seasonality of the virus.
It also flies in the face of evidence from America, where states with fewer restrictions have fared better on average than those with more restrictions, and states which have lifted all measures this spring have yet to see a new surge.
The Government is still in urgent need of a red team to counter the doom and gloom being pumped out by SAGE.
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These seasonal viruses tend not to be a problem in the summer.
Not if you invent a testdemic by giving everyone free tests.
It is a well-known medical phenomenon known as a pseudo-epidemic.
I can only think that they don’t believe the data that supports the efficacy of the vaccines. What aren’t they sharing with us?
The vaccines don’t prevent transmission and they were never expected to. To prevent transmission of a respiratory virus you need an inhaled vaccine, because the internal immune system is different from the mucosal immune system and produces completely different responses. They’ve always known this and they’ve conned the public.
Or, to totally prevent transmission, stop breathing.
According to the ghastly lunatic Sarah Jarvis, breathing is an offensive weapon.
With which, sadly, the politicians keep attacking us.
Yours reply sounds like a load of cobblers to me. Where is the proof of what you are alleging?
The mucosal immune system is different from the systemic immune system. These vaccines are systemic, which means they produce IgG antibodies. Mucosal antibodies are IgA and they need to be produced in the respiratory tract (or effectively transported there) to be effective at preventing transmission. This article should give you a high level overview of the issues involved:
https://theprint.in/opinion/why-a-mucosal-covid-vaccine-has-a-better-shot-at-ending-the-pandemic/589821/
As to it being “a load of cobblers”, what do you know about it?
One article in a journal hardly anyone has heard of. Still sounds a load of cobblers to me and I probably know more about than you.
So, you’re not intellectually equipped to discuss the substance, but you can call things cobblers and still try to pass yourself off as well informed?
I could cite plenty of other sources (this one was merely written for a lay audience), but why should I waste my time? You can put the terms into Google yourself, but you’re not going to do that because you wouldn’t understand what came back at you if you did.
Use laymans terms. The virus , SARS2, gets in the nose, you sneeze, it can be transmitted. Its got nowhere near the cells in the lung for instance which is where this gene therapy ( vaccine) operates, to supposedly reduce symptoms from covid 19, the disease which is supposed to cause pnuemonia etc.
Wait what? I have never heard that before
Have you noticed that politicians and the media keep skirting around the issue of whether the vaccines prevent transmission? They may not but even if they don’t then you still have to take them anyway?
Well, they’re not the right type of vaccine for this type of virus, so they’re not going to prevent transmission. They just prevent the systemic symptoms you get with severe Covid that passes beyond the respiratory tract into the organs. It applies to a tiny fraction of the population who are very old or immunocompromised. The rest of us shouldn’t bother with them at all.
No I meant the point on inhaled vaccines.
why are flu and the RSV vaccines in development injected then?
how is measles transmitted? I thought the whole point of the measles vaccine was to build herd immunity and therefore surely it works to limit transmission?
Flu vaccine is really ineffective, you still get sick. It’s also a “leaky” vaccine, in that it doesn’t prevent you from transmitting to others. It doesn’t build herd immunity because you’re still incubating and spreading the virus. In theory an inhaled vaccine should be better, but there have been problems developing those as well.
The RSV vaccine has been tried since the 60s and hasn’t gone anywhere, so best not to comment on something in development.
The measles jab is based on IgG, because it’s systemic. It provides sterilising immunity, meaning you don’t transmit the virus, which builds herd immunity.
Regarding your excellent point about ‘flu vaccine effectiveness:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm
Ok but measles is transmitted through coughs and sneezes. Therefore it hits the mucosal membranes and encounters the mucosal immune system first. Its manifestation is systemic.
In what way is COVID different? It also has aerosol transmission and systemic effects.
At least 2 RSV vaccines are in Ph3 studies ongoing, on the back of good phase 2 data. I only mention it because I studied it quite closely last year. None of the approaches under consideration are non-injectable, which strikes me as odd if your hypothesis is widely accepted.
As far as I understand it, Covid is respiratory in the vast majority of symptomatic cases. Only in 5% of those cases does it become systemic, as opposed to measles which manifests systemically. The measles vaccine is touted as providing sterilising immunity, but unvaccinated (and in rare cases, vaccinated) people still get measles despite the very high uptake, which suggests that it’s still being transmitted quite freely, we’re just not seeing the systemic effects.
To get rid of Covid for the vast majority of people, you’re going to need a vaccine that prevents transmission and respiratory illness, otherwise what’s the point in vaccinating people who have very little risk of experiencing the systemic effects?
my understanding is that after vaccination with measles vaccine there is some shedding which is why at times there are outbreaks involving vaccinated people. ?
Oh….
CDC Data Suggests Vaccinated Don’t Carry, Can’t Spread Virus
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html
I would encourage you to look at the Public Assessment Report for the AstraZeneca vaccine, for example. It clearly showed that subjects DO carry and transmit the virus. The article was about Pfizer and Moderna, so AZ is not relevant there.
But none of the trials were designed to show reductions in transmission, so how could they have data? Any time you see a press release that says “data suggests” I would be very sceptical.
yes, my understanding was that stopping infection and transmission was not the end goal of the vaccines that it was as you say symptom reduction.
Is it that they don’t believe the data or that they choose to ignore the data? Past experience with (dim)Whitty and co is that they ignore/ manipulate the data and then apologize for it later. Mea culpa so to speak.
Where have you been for the last 12 months ?
None of it makes any sense, it isn’t supposed to make any sense
The manoeuvres are to keep shifting the goal posts, but the destination remains the same although completely shrouded from view.
Utterly disgusting.
Masks and lockdown only cause harm, this is scientific fact at this point, these “scientists” (and the current government) make me sick.
As do the MPs, Conservative and Labour who continually support the Government line,
totally agree. Can we all take a lateral flow test to positively prove this please.
Paul, yes it seems there is NO conclusive evidence that masks work. The virus is able to pass through most masks, so outside strictly medical scenarios, their value is more or less zero. People also seem to forget our face – yes, our faces. We are humans and facial expressions are extremely important to communication. Covering up limits our contact with each other, something that seems to be talked about very little when the whole conversation is ‘save others, save the NHS’. It diminishes our humanity.
People like Biden seem to think masks are a saviour – utter nonsense!
It’s even worse for anyone who is hard of hearing, has mental disability, or autistic (like me). I can’t wear a mask myself but it also causes me a lot of distress being unable to see people’s expressions. I go out as little as possible now. Also my years of learning eye contact etc has taken a huge step backwards. I feel awful for parents trying to bring up autistic kids in this environment.
They want masks and lockdowns, vaccines, testing and all the rest because they KNOW it will cause further harm. They really don’t care. They need to have this drag on and on, keeping up the fear because they damn well know they’re losing, but there is an agenda to follow! They’re more worried about all the billions at stake, and appeasing their globalist masters.
So, in conclusion: vaccines don’t work. And didn’t we have social distancing and masks in January?
….for those still listening, perhaps.
It has been pointed out time and time and time and time again tat masks are TOTALLY useless. There is zero public health reason for using them so as usual it is utter bilge that thee pricks are coming out with. The only reason to keep insisting on masks is to try and maintain fear and coercion. Similarly the blatant attempt t bully people into having “vaccines” which these idiots are effectively saying don’t work very well. How can anyone with a single functioning brain cell go along with this bollox.
The sheep need ‘confidence’ and the Covid police need to be able to see immediately who is non-complaint by not masking and anti-social distancing. The whole plandemic is a tyrannical bullying nonsense.
Succinctly summarized.
Why Thank you kindly.
Who elected Menegle and his side kick to make the laws? Note that the crap they talk flies in the face of evidence but who needs evidence when they previously can admit to lying and misusing information / data to a Commons Select Committee but keep be allowed to come back with more non evidence and obfuscated data at the behest of the despot idiot Johnson.
Coming from the monkeys still peddling the myth that asymptomatic transmission is a real threat.
It is now.
Because of the vaxxed.
The pair of them are completely and utterly fucking insane.
As are the rest of SAGE
Plus the collaborators and sheep.
The ‘expert’ panel and the ‘advisory’ panel who apparently do not agree with each other. More insanity. Who came first the ‘expert’ or the ‘advisor’?
They’re not insane, they willingly and knowingly go along with this – as the enablers of the insane. That is evil.
All right then, so how long can the economy bear the strain of furlough etc? When are the Tory backbenchers going to stand up and remove the prime mentalist before he takes the UK over the precipice?
How big is the Magic Money Tree?
It appears both Boris and his apparent successor Rishi are fully signed up to MMT, so the tree can grow far in excess of a giant sequoia. Best make sure you restock up again on bog roll, pasta etc
Appreciate the heads up. Do you think they could send us all a leaf from the MMT so we can all plant one for ourselves?
It is worse than that. The £250 billion is a loan from the private Bank of England (with the HMG as the only known, minoirty, shareholder) at some unbpublished rate of interest – 0.1% maybe. At that rate, £250 million a year has to be paid just to cover interest. Peanuts maybe for a strong economy and low interest rates, but a weak economy with 10% interest rates? That loan is probably arranged to be a highest level debt so the BoE has first dibs in case of default. That interest will have to be paid by any surviving tax payers, our children.
and grandchildren in perpetuity.
Is anyone actually going to take this seriously? If I see people wearing those bio-burkhas and shrinking in horror if I come close to them, I’m going to point and laugh.
I’ve always laughed at them and purposely walked closer to em.
I’m in an almost empty motorway services unmasked. Going into the ladies a fully masked sheep jumped about 3 foot sideways to avoid me with a look of terror in her eyes. I said loudly ‘it’s ok im not diseased!’
I’ve had enough now. It has to end.
That is the way forward however slowly if each of us play our part daily.
Can someone bring a private prosecution against these people on the charge of misconduct in public office on the basis of making absurd unfounded claims to the detriment of the public, alternatively conspiracy to create a public nuisance? Should either charge be upheld, the maximum sentence is life imprisonment.
A modest proposal, but perfectly within the law, should a jury, properly directed, so find on the facts.
And all one would then need to do is to find a judge who would allow the case to proceed. I seem to remember that one Simon Dolan had great, and rapid, success with that!
You aren’t suggesting that our impartial and world-beating judiciary might have their own biases are you? I’d be shocked to find that out, they just took their time to hear these important cases and they are very busy ensuring that, you know, certain types of non-citizen offenders aren’t deported because they have cats and so a family life. Any gesture is worth it.
PCP Papers Laid Alleging Pandemic Fraud Against Hancock, Whitty, Vallance & Ferguson
https://www.thebernician.net/papers-laid-alleging-pandemic-fraud-against-hancock-whitty-vallance-ferguson/
Posted on 19th March 2021 by The Bernician
At 16:23 pm this afternoon, one year after the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens’ decision to reclassify COVID-19 as no longer being considered a High Consequence Infectious Disease was published by Public Health England, the papers were laid electronically at a south London Magistrates Court, in the People’s Union of Britain’s momentous Private Criminal Prosecution against Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty, Patrick Vallance and Neil Ferguson for pandemic fraud.
Early next week, the court will receive a 1,200 page bundle of evidence, which includes expert witness statements from two professors, three doctors, a dental surgeon, a probate solicitor, a mathematician, a retired nuclear submarine data analyst, an independent data analyst and a former CID fraud detective, who is acting as a trustee of the PUB in bringing this most serious of prosecutions to the criminal court……..
See this also:
R [PUB] v Hancock & Others [2021] | Public Notice of Intended Prosecution
https://www.thebernician.net/r-pub-v-hancock-others-2021-public-notice-of-intended-prosecution/
PATHETIC!!!
They are loosing their grip on us
Isn’t there a line in Star Wars from Princess Leia to Darth Vader about the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers? A bit counterintuitive but if only!
“The Government’s top scientific advisers” is factually incorrect.
It should read the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation financed quasi-science RESET agenda pushers.
(Bill & Ben the Covidian Cult sci-fi men)
Their equivalents (unfortunately) are placed in key medic advisory roles in the USA, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Eire, Italy, Spain, Australia, and New Zealand…anywhere in fact the BUILD BACK BETTER policies are in full play.
What do masks do to children? Seriously hamper their immune systems to flourish
healthily, for adults too. Ditto, social distancing simply breaks personal relationships down, and has f’ck all to do with (micron size) virus control.
What’s tragic is BBC Prada and Radio Bore, just pumps out the fear-mongering 24/7 feeding the ‘Normies’ their daily dose of sad panic and be compliant narratives.
My advice?
Anything that’s Covidian Oxymoron speak, simply ignore and just do what you did during the Old Normal days pre 2020.
Works for me.
“Government’s top scientific advisors,” is a lot of extra words to describe tards.
An excellent piece of writing. Could not agree more.
As Viv Stanshall of The Bonzos described it ‘Brainwashing House’
What fresh new bollocks is this? If the “models” predicted an invasion of aliens wearing pink tutus these pillocks would sonorously announce it to the nation. Does anyone seriously believe these clowns anymore? Contemptuous buffoons – not worthy of the name “scientists”. Replace the members of SAGE with people who can outthink a turnip. Please.
I’ve got past patience, politeness and sophistication ;
Just f. off, you moronic Mystic Meg sociopaths.
And another year, and another year…
But they are right.
In Sweden, South Dakota, Texas and Florida people are dying like flies.
Sarcasm off.
In the good old days, we would now just throw them out of the village.
For good.
Jeez! People are losing real jobs and this pair of prats still haven’t got their P45s after of a year of being wrong!
I believe I read somewhere that (dim)Whitty was being given a Sirhood and a pay rise for services to himself and BoJo. Not sure how true that it, but in the mad mad world it is unfortunately likely to be true.
Just remember who else has knighthoods: Sir Jimmy Savile and Sir Philip Green.
Sounds like Witty would be in the right company.
(dim)Whitty was no doubt a recipient of the email sent from within the Cabinet Office telling the WEF elite what bribes were required in order to get the titles. It is such a shame that it then debases and belittles those who genuinely deserve recognition. It will be the B(liar) next.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-roadmap-review
Read this Johnson has lied on tv again, or rather been economical with the truth. There is a list of venues trialling the passport. If any one is planning to attend vaccinated or not they are complicit in ushering a control and surveillance in return for “freedom” state.
If you have shares, if you have any say with the football players etc taking part in these dry run for Nazi land, please contact them and express your displeasure
Can they read?
And with regards to mask wearing and all the other rituals that are being used to prop up these fascists they can now f off I will no longer be complicit in their game
Well said Hester. This is the Yellow Star Health Apartheid Agenda in full swing. Strange that footballers are complicit in so much gov UK propaganda when they consistently insist on taking the knee. They are probably unaware of what they are actually doing but then again, intellecual pursuits are not within their remit.
I never did.it’s a bloody farce but you won’t be able to see it at a theatre cos there all closed.. for ever!
In January we had 30,000 deaths (registered with covid). This is before the vaccine could really kick in. Now they’re predicting that we’ll see the same in Summer? So their model says that even with the vaccine we’ll see 30,000 deaths? But the vaccine is 90% effective, right?
In other words their “models” are predicting that if we hadn’t vaccinated people we’d be seeing 300,000 deaths this Summer? Are the modellers in some kind of weird competition to see who can get it the most wrong?
This is absurd. What is the point of the vaccines if there is still the risk of ‘a big epidemic’? It’s a blatant contradiction. mwhite, I agree that the natural virulence of the viruses declines a lot in warmer weather. How can it be that with 20-30% of the population having natural immunity through T-cells, those who have had the vaccine (26 million plus), plus those who have had it already, plus children (who seem to have a much greater immunity), we are still at risk. There is no evidence of a material increase in risk from the variants, either, so what is this representing, other than continued government control. No justification whatsoever.
If my MP wasn’t such a careerist climber, I would like the person to ask Whitty how he squares this BS with his statement in May 2020 that the virus is harmless to the great majority of people – and repeated in the ‘vccination’ guidance notes for the elderly issues by HMG early 2021, and his more recent statement April 2021 that the virus is now endemic (like the flu/common cold with implicit low mortality).
UK Gov’t confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg
Learn to live with Covid in similar way to flu, says Whitty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vQlZrMU8sg
This then leads to how such a disease can be considered a ‘serious and imminent threat’ as required for continued use of the 1984 Health Act loophole.
If anyone has an amenable MP, then please feel free to follow up.
85% of under 50s having had the vaccine is a precondition of the continuance of the reduction in restrictions? Where has that come from? We are constantly given rules, then then ‘irreversible’ reductions in lockdown then have these extra conditions added. This shows the government/SAGE have no confidence in themselves or any of the data they use. It’s a joke.
As Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now didn’t quite say : “I love the smell of goalposts when they’re moving”
I find it very disturbing.
I think it is not a lack of confidence but more that they are just a bunch of lying manipulative abusers.
No, no, just one more push and then we will have arrived – at a spot where we just need one more push and then we will have arrived – at a spot where …. {repeat ad infinitum}.
That is terrifying, There WILL be deaths as a result of this coercion.
“85% of under 50s having had the vaccine is a precondition of the continuance of the reduction in restrictions? “
It’s not the fact of the biggest liar to occupy No.10 (some competition there) saying it that is the issue. It’s the great washed swallowing it that is the real issue.
Exactly. This is how they will drive division and harassment of the unvaccinated.
STAND STRONG!
Either they just “gain of functioned” covid with this pathetic ill thought-out vaccine trial on the whole population and now they need to monitor the vaccinated to try to catch the dominoes before they fall or, (and I prefer this idea), they’re deflecting from the Greensill scandal which I’m hoping will be epic.
Maybe both.
I used to rather like Boris: his avuncular and oddly British way of bumbling through our democratic minefield. It seems that instead he is a very fine actor, capable of putting across one message to make us feel good, while extending our collective misery with no evidence, no reason and, it seems, no mercy. After all, this is the man who, after supporting Brexit and getting the vote wanted, then ran away (like Farage) realising whay he had done.
“I used to rather like Boris”
That’s OK – we’ve all had an illness at some time.
‘What I noticed about Mr. Johnson very early on was just how much of an act he was. The first time you heard a speech by “Boris,” you chortled a lot. The second time, you chortled a little less. The third time, not at all. But his reputation as a Wodehousian genius means that he need only say “good afternoon” to a room full of elderly Conservatives (almost the only kind of Conservative there is in modern Britain), and they will begin wheezing with mirth and mopping their rheumy eyes.’ ‘Examined with a cold, unkind gaze (of the sort that I have), he has little to say, and much of it is socially liberal. He is a kind of Etonian Tony Blair, onto whom people project desires and beliefs at will. There is no actual connection between these projections and the man himself. If he is Wodehousian, he is the slightly sinister, conspiratorial Jeeves—not the harmless Bertie Wooster he would have us think him to be. During our little plot years ago I noticed just how professionally clued up he was on the intricate, wearisome, humiliating processes by which a normal human being can become a Member of Parliament. In… Read more »
Well…would have made a good Dr Who, but PM? Come on!
I replied to the Cabinet Office review of COVID passports, thanks to this site. There was only a day to send it so I can’t pretend it was the best thought-out of missives. I don’t have any medical training and I’m certainly no professor, however, I can see illogicality when it slaps me in the face for a year like a wet halibut. Talking here with like-minded people helps to calm me down, but I would urge you to write to your MP about this, even if you think your reply will be ignored. Unless they become aware of what they are doing/have done and this utterly skewed ‘world view’, they will keep spouting this alarmist ‘precautionary principle’ nonsense that shows no regard to the very population they say they are protecting.
Surely someone who is good with numbers can work out a more reasonable estimate? We know how many people are vaccinated as a percentage in each age group, we know how many unvaccinated people in each age group has died. Under 60s with no health conditions is less than 1000, 99% or something of the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated. What percentage of the population does this leave? Of course, 100% of those left wouldn’t die but I feel like lies are being told here for sure.
Haven’t attached an image before, so hope it works – but here’s my calculation of the (estimated) IFR for the various age groups based on the mortality figures in 2020 for England and Wales and the 2019 population data. I assumed a uniform infection rate and took Prof Iaoniddis’ upper bound figure for overall UK IFR to be 0.4%
These are the figures without vaccination – so you can see that vaccinating even just the over 70’s (we’ve gone further than that) with a 90% effective vaccine would have brought the death toll to less than 20,000. This means that with the vaccines we have reduced the threat of covid to below that of a typical flu. So why do we need ANY restrictions any more?
This is the question journalists should be asking.
Brilliant, thanks for attaching this!
It’s quite simple. Do not use LFTs and do not wear a mask. Until, as Lord Sumption rightly said, there is mass civil disobedience, this BS will keep being spewed out.
Absolutely right! I’m now feeling that a berlin wall moment will come and it may not be as far off as the pricks in government think. One can but hope.