Today we’re publishing an original piece by Dr Alan Mordue, a retired consultant in public health medicine, about the risk to young people of being vaccinated against Covid. His conclusion is that only those aged 50 and over, or those with underlying health conditions that make them vulnerable to COVID-19, should be vaccinated. For the rest, the risk/benefit ratio means they shouldn’t get immunised. Here is an extract:
The AZ vaccine, like all COVID-19 vaccines, is still in the midst of a Phase 3 trial and this will not report on any long-term side effects until early 2023. If we apply the precautionary principle we would want some additional room to accommodate any adverse effects that emerge, so a 15-20 fold difference between benefit and risks would be reasonable. This begins to point towards 50 years as the cut off; below that the potential benefits may not be justified by the potential risks.
How about switching to another vaccine for the younger age groups? A “course correction” as Prof. Van-Tam called it? Unfortunately, we do not know about long-term side effects of the other vaccines either. For the newer ones there may also be rare side effects yet to emerge, like the blood clots for the AZ vaccine, and for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine there are concerns about higher rates of infection and deaths in the weeks immediately after vaccination.
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I’m not convinced that the risk of blood clotting disorders, and other serious side effects are as rare as is currently believed.
This video is about a private Facebook group where people are shaft stories about their relatives and friends who have been seriously ill since getting vaccinated, or have died. I don’t know how many have been reported to the Yellow Card system.
I am not certain we can exclude a link but then this only support the argument that we should not vaccinate children or the young. Vaccination with Covid19 vaccines remains a human experiment at this early stage / it is valid to look at how many drugs have been withdrawn after 4years+ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4740994/
Yes we have had an appropriate response in the elderly (me included ) but for the young no it is a risk balance which is their decision.
Sorry to do this again, but…
‘First Do No Harm’ Means Not Giving the Covid Vaccination to
YoungPeople‘Do no harm’ is actually not absolute. What it means (consider chemotherapy) is ‘Make sure the benefits outweigh the harms’.
There is no such basis for administering the snake oil on a wing and a prayer (at best), given the low level of ARR.
A welcome antidote to the nauseating piece about emotionally blackmailing the young, which we saw yesterday.
My wife’s biological age is 38 instead of her actual 50 years.
Such age brackets are meaningless too.
Plenty of fat millennials who should then get it and are probably eager to anyway.
This is a statement of the obvious.
But I am heartily sick of hearing the canard that the snake oil is ‘A good idea for the old and vulnerable”
I’m even hearing people like Jay Bhattacharya – for whom I have a great deal of time – being hypnotised into blithely chanting this party line, and ignoring the data.
Yes, it’s quite depressing to hear Bhattacharya raving about the vaccines. Vanishingly few people, including those who are skeptical on other fronts, will question anything about their efficacy and harms.
My practice nurse asked me why I wasn’t having the vaccine this morning.
I said I wasn’t keen on taking part in a clinical trial for an experimental product that wouldn’t finish phase 3 trials until at least 2023 and was available only under emergency license. But that if everything looked fine after that I might consider it then.
She said she wouldn’t argue with me as I was ‘entitled to my opinion’ but I was wrong. She insisted that their vaccines, at the surgery, had a proper license and were safe as all the trials had been done.
I’m sure she sincerely believes what she said is correct. It does raise the question of whether the people she’s administering the vaccine to are giving their ‘informed consent.’
I’d bet almost 0% of those jabbed would even have an answer for you if asked their personal chances of getting covid, dying from it etc. vs. vaccine side effects and the extent to which the vaccine is meant to reduce that risk. Even for those answering, I doubt most of their answers would have much foundation in reality. And I doubt many know it’s an emergency license or that trials are ongoing. Lots of people I know who have high IQs have had it and I am sure almost none of them have a clue about any of this.
To be fair, we gave our kids all the usual jabs at the time without much thought. I will be more circumspect in future.
Your last paragraph is interesting. I was on the (soon to be abolished) CHC when the MMR controversy was raging, and remember the discussions about that. We also had our children vaccinated without any qualms.
The current use of vaccines as a political tool has certainly led me to question received blanket wisdom. I’m certainly not an ‘anti-vaxxer’, but I now look much more critically at the utility and safety of vaccines, which have been often over-sold.
Aside from the immediate utility and safety of the c19 vaccines, I worry about the unintended consequences of mass vaccination for fairly non-serious conditions. I wonder if those pushing this, and of course we know it won’t stop with c19 vaccines, have thought about what it might mean for natural human immunity and the evolution of viral infections.
I’ve always know politicians could be a slippery bunch, but previous to this madness would not have credited them with the combination of idiocy and wickedness required to have gone more than a year doubling down on obvious misrepresentations of reality.
Because our daughter was premature there was no way we were giving her the MMR: she’s had her jabs though but separately thanks to a GP that listens to his patients and giving advice as to who to administer. It pays not to be a sheep.
I heard on BBC radio pre Covid that it was possible to arrange separate vaccinations rather than MMR but that it was very expensive.
Same here. I have had the flu jab for the past decade. After seeing the lack of ethics with these batflu “vaccines”, I will no longer take the flu vaccine as big pharma deserves no implicit trust.
The only time I had it (way back when it was a new thing) I had ‘flu quite badly, as did half the school.
I have written this before on the general forum, but I think it’s interesting. I agree we all do things we don’t give a lot of thought to. The pathologist Dr John lee said in one of his interviews that the measles vaccine is now so successful that more people die from reactions to the vaccine than the disease itself. But that then leaves a moral dilemma, keep vaxxing, knowing that people will die, or let the disease start again and let that lead to deaths? Another Doctor also said that when breast cancer screening was stopped last year it was a good thing, because breast cancer diagnosis is so much better now, that mammogram induced cancer is a bigger problem! I imagine that there are other health professionals who might not agree, but it just shows sometimes we forget to question things we’ve taken for granted.
I have found that the medical professions have amazingly little knowledge about Covid issues. Certainly, if you took a random sample and asked vital technical questions about such things as evidence on masks, the meaning and relevance of ‘Ct’, risk ratios etc. etc. – I reckon you would get more blank stares rather than real responses.
I am sure you’re right. Partly about self-preservation, partly about groupthink, partly they are as deluded as the general public. The shame of it is that people have great trust in them on such matters – sadly misplaced.
It’s worrying that the nurse thought that “the trials had been done”. That would be enough to make me look for another primary healthcare provider, it sounds like they don’t know what they are doing.
I have suggested to Gina that she writes a letter of complaint to the lead practitioner and copy in the practice manager. (See my comment under Gina’s.)
It is indeed deeply shocking that a nurse in a GP practice has no idea they are experimental gene-based drugs ALL of which are unlicensed and in the trial stages. Can you print out some evidence on these facts from credible sources e.g. BMJ, Lancet, the drug manufacturer’s own literature for example and write an appropriate complaint to the Lead Practitioner, copying in the Practice Manager explaining that it is impossible for patients to give informed consent if even the practice staff are not informed of the relevant information – asking for this to be corrected as a matter of priority?
It’s so often retired scientists, doctors, professors, isn’t it? I wonder why that might be… $$$
Not necessarily. Those who are working and are dependent on grants from Big Pharma and big linked foundations are particularly vulnerable.
Practicing Doctors have to ignore and disobey instructions not to inject.
Hospital staff have to sign NDAs.
No-one is going to get any help from this neutered ‘profession’.
I am nearing 70, and will not take an emergency use injection for a problematic disease with an IFR of 0.15%.
I hope a lot of others will take a similar position, but I don’t rely on it to take mine. We all need mental strength in face of unending pysop.
First do no harm…. So let’s terrorise the emotionally weak into taking a still experimental cocktail of chemicals with no long term evidence of a) efficacy and b) safety. Add to that the message that protection FROM the “virus” is limited and that transmission OF the “virus” is still possible. One must ask the question: what’s the bloody point? Is stupidity ( at government level) the cause of all of this mayhem, or something far more sinister? ” Following the data”? My arse!
The issue with minors is more worrying because the consent to treatment is related to parent or guardian. The risk benefit for a Covid19 vaccine for a child can be speculated but not determined and is essentially a human experiment with innocent volunteers. Case law exists related to other vaccines but not Covid19-https://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed218420
When politicians persuaded the public that absent the rule breakers, vaccine hesitant individuals all would be well we were lost.
My elder daughter had the first injection about 5 weeks ago (pressure from the nursery she works in) and has suddenly gone down with mysterious symptoms, which bear all the hall marks of being some form of negative reaction to it. either that or it has simply failed to do its job and someone has, somehow, passed the virus itself on – which is most unlikely given that there is almost no-one testing positive for it in her borough.
Vaccine side effects are much more common than many people believe.The whole reason for “covid” was to pave the way for mass vaccination. I think it’s time for Lockdown Sceptics to shift towards vaccine scepticism as this is were the real harm will be and is being done.
He can sod off with his over-50s line. I’ll make my own risk assessment thank you.
I don’t think anybody has even yet published all-cause mortality for elderly people with and without vaccine, starting from the day of vaccination? That would be the bare minimum needed to make a decision.