“‘Incredibly safe for two people to meet freely’ after Covid vaccination” – Deputy Chief Medical Officer Jonathan Van Tam said yesterday that he was “highly confident scientifically” that there were no risks if two people who had received both jabs met up, but he urged the public not to do so yet, the Telegraph reports
“Have we reached herd immunity?” – Kate Andrews analyses the latest data from the ONS antibody survey for the Spectator. With 68.3% of the population reckoned to have antibodies, it suggests that Britain is well on the way to herd immunity
“Our latest analysis of Covid vaccine reports is out now” – The ZOE Study’s analysis of vaccine efficacy and side-effects based on data from 627,383 ZOE contributors. They learned that around one in four people experience mild side effects, the most common being headaches, fatigue and tenderness around the injection site
“How concerned should we be by the Indian variant?” – Epidemiologist Paul Hunter explains in the Spectator that although there is “certainly a theoretical reason to be concerned” about the Indian variant, “we have yet to see enough evidence that it really is a game-changer”
“So now ‘Covid anxiety syndrome’ is a thing?” – “We can’t escape one crisis of inflated health risk by dreaming up new ways to be ill,” says Ashley Frawley in RT. “Instead, we need to refuse to see ourselves as forever patients in waiting”
“What is really happening in India?” – In the latest Pandemic Podcast, Dan Astin Gregory takes a detailed look at the data and reports coming out of India, which he says “go against the grain of the mainstream narrative we’re being presented with”
Nearly 40 million people in England live in an area with almost no new Covid cases, according to Public Health England.
Hugh Osmond, founder of Punch Taverns: “It’s an absolute disgrace they’re not prepared to move the lockdown easing programme faster."@JuliaHB1 | @hughosmondhttps://t.co/HYrG3lNu1H
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It’s getting to be a bloody long list. Are you sharpening your snicker snacker snee, ready for some chippy chippy chop?
Hugh
4 years ago
How safe were we anyway? Here is the basis I have been working on. Officially,127,480 covid-19 deaths in the UK. This includes (but may not be limited to) any death within 28 days of a positive pcr test; deaths from people (Muslims for example) who were buried before they could have a proper autopsy but were put as covid-19 to be on the safe side; people who showed one or more of the symptoms associated with covid-19 when they died; people in care homes etc. who were put as covid-19 for reasons of convenience or duplicity. So obviously the number who have died of covid-19 is significantly less than the official figure – but how much less? I am assuming at least 25% less, and possibly less than half the official figure. Are there any highest/lowest/probable estimates? Then there is total deaths and total respiratory deaths for the year. My understanding is that total deaths for 2020 were about 68,0000 higher than expected, with the most deaths, adjusted for age and population, since 2008. However, some of those extra deaths were caused by lockdowns and related measures – were there many more respiratory deaths than usual? were there actually significant… Read more »
I like the logic you’ve used but I think your rate is out by a factor of 100. Another thing you could say is taking Ioanniddis’s latest estimate of IFR 0.15%, based on 40% of the population being infected, the “real” number of deaths is more like 40k than 150k.
It was manufactured hysteria right from the word go! There never was a pandemic just a politically motivated one and the gullible people fell for it. We should be maskless and walking around freely, going off on holidays and enjoying our lives, but we are not, which should scream at people that the problem lies with a government hooked on the power buzz and unwilling to release the people from their prison.
Best estimates are c. 1/5th are actually from Covid.
Into the risk equation, you have to feed (1) the chances of physically coming across an genuinely infective individual and (2) the chances of catching that infection within the particular circumstances. The chances are minute.
So a lot less! Thinking about it, not that surprising. More deaths than usual in Spring, but for a relatively short period. More deaths than usual going into nAutumn/Winter, but not a huge amount more – and some of those caused by the restrictions (and vaccines?).
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Incredibly safe?
It’s completely, totally, perfectly, absolutely safe for 67 million vaccinated and unvaccinated people to meet up!!!!
Last edited 4 years ago by Fingerache Philip
LS99
4 years ago
I’d never heard of Joe Rogan but looking at that Twitter thread … really, really depressing.
Time for a judicial review of the Secretary of State’s view that there is a public health situation justifying any measures, seeking an order to quash (invalidate) any restrictions as unreasonable and ultra vires.
But that assumes that the judiciary aren’t fully signed up to tyranny.
why I can’t emphasise enough, be careful what you say on here. Remember the film of 1984? They tried to join the resistance, but found they’d been had by the state. No doubt in years to come, it will turn out that the state were up to all sorts (perhaps details about the 77th will come out one of these days!). Though I have a nasty feeling they already know quite a lot about us.
wendy
4 years ago
So pleased by the Robert Dingwall piece. I am so glad he keeps trying to cut through the hysteria, he’s been trying for so long and I am thankful he hasn’t given up. Every day I come to this site looking for hope and sometimes if find it.
“The ZOE Study’s analysis of vaccine efficacy and side-effects based on data from 627,383 ZOE contributors. They learned that around one in four people experience mild side effects, the most common being headaches, fatigue and tenderness around the injection site”
Well – I obviously haven’t done proper sampling, but the opportunity sample that I have knowledge of has side effects nearer 2 to 3 in 4, and severe fever has been a large proportion.
This may be due to the fact that the Zoe figures, too, are derived from a non-random sample of younger individuals.
You last sentence reminded me to update readers of the progress in La Belle Francaise. Nothing, nada, that is the number of positive tests ( cases) have peaked a fallen a smidgen, the number of hospitalisations/ ICU beds after positive test have peaked and fallen a smidgen, its still concentrated on Paris and the N East. But this has prompted the Govt to announce ending restrictions on time for the May month of ‘bridging’ holidays. No geographical restrictions from 3 May, restaurants/cafes open for terraces 16 May and end of month for internal use. Vax certificates etc ruled out for any of this, possible use for large concerts in the summer. Border controls waiting for the Schengen/EU ‘green card’. Which means in practice that Antigen and PCR tests will apply for reentry from countries that allow you to get there in the first place. Emergency Legislation probably not renewed from 3 May , but for 6 months a sort of muddle, sorry middle path which would allow govt to take ‘measures’ if things ‘get out of hand’. Re your Zoe comment, the French PCR tests have been concentrated on the 20-40 yr old group, and so that age group so… Read more »
Its a very polite and well behaved virus, so I think you will be correct. In the same way it doesn’t infect when you are sitting down and eating or drinking, only when walking to or from the table. There are many other examples.
“Let us pray the Christian ‘Dunkirk Spirit’ saves us from sinister science”
I reckon the Dunkirk spirit went out the window ages ago. To extend the analogy – the inhabitants have been standing on the dockside welcoming the invaders with tea and homemade cakes.
There was a national day of prayer before the miracle of Dunkirk. Any common enterprise that would unite the nation these days? (Don’t tell me – panic buying?). The Gerries were said to be welcoming our D-Day Dodgers with tea in Italy! 🙂
. I tell you, their generation would have sorted this out.
peyrole
4 years ago
He’s been told he appeals to the ‘Corrie-watching’ set, so he tries to use what he thinks are their idioms, just makes him look and sound like an idiot.
Amari
4 years ago
Britain is “well on the way to herd immunity”?? I am convinced we reached herd immunity back in the peak of infections a year ago.
Amari
4 years ago
I hate this safetyism in our society – it’s driving me crazy! Message in Asda: “if you have any concerns about safety, please speak to a member of our staff.” Sainsburys: “we are doing all that we can to keep you safe.” On the tube: “wear a covering over your nose and mouth. It’s there to protect us all.” In the toilets: “Please do not use this hand basin for everyone’s safety.” ararghghghghghgh!!!!
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Just don’t meet up with Van Tam. He’ll infect you with a super-virulent scary- variant of acute cretinism.
And I am a genuine maiden rich in Girton lore!
Worse than that, he might tempt you to sell your soul to the Devil. And he’s probably not fun company.
😆
Van Tam, Bill Gates and Michael Gove, they’ll none of them be missed… they’re going on my list.
It’s getting to be a bloody long list. Are you sharpening your snicker snacker snee, ready for some chippy chippy chop?
How safe were we anyway? Here is the basis I have been working on. Officially,127,480 covid-19 deaths in the UK. This includes (but may not be limited to) any death within 28 days of a positive pcr test; deaths from people (Muslims for example) who were buried before they could have a proper autopsy but were put as covid-19 to be on the safe side; people who showed one or more of the symptoms associated with covid-19 when they died; people in care homes etc. who were put as covid-19 for reasons of convenience or duplicity. So obviously the number who have died of covid-19 is significantly less than the official figure – but how much less? I am assuming at least 25% less, and possibly less than half the official figure. Are there any highest/lowest/probable estimates? Then there is total deaths and total respiratory deaths for the year. My understanding is that total deaths for 2020 were about 68,0000 higher than expected, with the most deaths, adjusted for age and population, since 2008. However, some of those extra deaths were caused by lockdowns and related measures – were there many more respiratory deaths than usual? were there actually significant… Read more »
150k deaths in around 28mio?
I like the logic you’ve used but I think your rate is out by a factor of 100. Another thing you could say is taking Ioanniddis’s latest estimate of IFR 0.15%, based on 40% of the population being infected, the “real” number of deaths is more like 40k than 150k.
If I have a body and an antibody, will they cancel out?
It was manufactured hysteria right from the word go! There never was a pandemic just a politically motivated one and the gullible people fell for it. We should be maskless and walking around freely, going off on holidays and enjoying our lives, but we are not, which should scream at people that the problem lies with a government hooked on the power buzz and unwilling to release the people from their prison.
There was a ‘pandemic‘ – but only because the severity of the disease had been conveniently removed from the definition.
No pandemic, but there were more deaths than usual in April weren’t there, presumably because of some sort of bug going round?
“– but how much less?”
Best estimates are c. 1/5th are actually from Covid.
Into the risk equation, you have to feed (1) the chances of physically coming across an genuinely infective individual and (2) the chances of catching that infection within the particular circumstances. The chances are minute.
So a lot less! Thinking about it, not that surprising. More deaths than usual in Spring, but for a relatively short period. More deaths than usual going into nAutumn/Winter, but not a huge amount more – and some of those caused by the restrictions (and vaccines?).
Incredibly safe?
It’s completely, totally, perfectly, absolutely safe for 67 million vaccinated and unvaccinated people to meet up!!!!
I’d never heard of Joe Rogan but looking at that Twitter thread … really, really depressing.
There is Twitter, and then again there is reality.
Joe Rogan is is great, a bit shouty for me and his podcasts are too long but he is as far removed from woke as you can imagine.
The only reason snowflakes would view his site would be to find something to be offended about.
If widespread antibody testing had taken place this time last year, I wonder what the results would have been?
suppressed by now.
Driving isn’t safe either.
used to be, back when they had a 4mph speed limit. I’m with the London to Brighton peo0ple though!
It’s like well safe innit.
In other news… The Director of Communications of the World Health Organization, Gabriella Stern (https://twitter.com/gabbystern), was formerly Director of Media and External Relations at — wait for it — the Bill & MelindaGates Foundation (https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/6118/2016-01-12/wsjs-stern-gates-foundation-pr-slot.html)
Time for a judicial review of the Secretary of State’s view that there is a public health situation justifying any measures, seeking an order to quash (invalidate) any restrictions as unreasonable and ultra vires.
But that assumes that the judiciary aren’t fully signed up to tyranny.
Can’t they just do what they want since they started that politicised “supreme court” nonsense? Thank you very much, Mr. Blair.
why I can’t emphasise enough, be careful what you say on here. Remember the film of 1984? They tried to join the resistance, but found they’d been had by the state. No doubt in years to come, it will turn out that the state were up to all sorts (perhaps details about the 77th will come out one of these days!). Though I have a nasty feeling they already know quite a lot about us.
So pleased by the Robert Dingwall piece. I am so glad he keeps trying to cut through the hysteria, he’s been trying for so long and I am thankful he hasn’t given up. Every day I come to this site looking for hope and sometimes if find it.
“The ZOE Study’s analysis of vaccine efficacy and side-effects based on data from 627,383 ZOE contributors. They learned that around one in four people experience mild side effects, the most common being headaches, fatigue and tenderness around the injection site”
Well – I obviously haven’t done proper sampling, but the opportunity sample that I have knowledge of has side effects nearer 2 to 3 in 4, and severe fever has been a large proportion.
This may be due to the fact that the Zoe figures, too, are derived from a non-random sample of younger individuals.
You last sentence reminded me to update readers of the progress in La Belle Francaise. Nothing, nada, that is the number of positive tests ( cases) have peaked a fallen a smidgen, the number of hospitalisations/ ICU beds after positive test have peaked and fallen a smidgen, its still concentrated on Paris and the N East. But this has prompted the Govt to announce ending restrictions on time for the May month of ‘bridging’ holidays. No geographical restrictions from 3 May, restaurants/cafes open for terraces 16 May and end of month for internal use. Vax certificates etc ruled out for any of this, possible use for large concerts in the summer. Border controls waiting for the Schengen/EU ‘green card’. Which means in practice that Antigen and PCR tests will apply for reentry from countries that allow you to get there in the first place. Emergency Legislation probably not renewed from 3 May , but for 6 months a sort of muddle, sorry middle path which would allow govt to take ‘measures’ if things ‘get out of hand’. Re your Zoe comment, the French PCR tests have been concentrated on the 20-40 yr old group, and so that age group so… Read more »
Do infections stop between midday and 2 p.m. while the virus has lunch?
Its a very polite and well behaved virus, so I think you will be correct. In the same way it doesn’t infect when you are sitting down and eating or drinking, only when walking to or from the table. There are many other examples.
Ah yes, the region where they are still “vaccinating” over-75’s (by my calculations).
“Let us pray the Christian ‘Dunkirk Spirit’ saves us from sinister science”
I reckon the Dunkirk spirit went out the window ages ago. To extend the analogy – the inhabitants have been standing on the dockside welcoming the invaders with tea and homemade cakes.
There was a national day of prayer before the miracle of Dunkirk. Any common enterprise that would unite the nation these days? (Don’t tell me – panic buying?). The Gerries were said to be welcoming our D-Day Dodgers with tea in Italy! 🙂
. I tell you, their generation would have sorted this out.
He’s been told he appeals to the ‘Corrie-watching’ set, so he tries to use what he thinks are their idioms, just makes him look and sound like an idiot.
Britain is “well on the way to herd immunity”?? I am convinced we reached herd immunity back in the peak of infections a year ago.
I hate this safetyism in our society – it’s driving me crazy! Message in Asda: “if you have any concerns about safety, please speak to a member of our staff.” Sainsburys: “we are doing all that we can to keep you safe.” On the tube: “wear a covering over your nose and mouth. It’s there to protect us all.” In the toilets: “Please do not use this hand basin for everyone’s safety.” ararghghghghghgh!!!!