A member of SAGE has suggested that the Government should learn from the Black Lives Matter movement in how to make mask-wearing and social distancing “an inherent part” of attending sports events, as plans are being drawn up to ban drinking and encourage stamping and clapping rather than cheering at large events. The Times has the story.
Sports fans could be banned from drinking and encouraged to stamp and clap instead of cheering under plans to make mass events safe for the summer.
As British cities prepare to host football’s European Championships, tests are under way to discover whether it is better for social distancing to ban alcohol or to serve fans pints in their seats to prevent crowding at bars.
Ministers have accepted that testing before entry is likely to be required to make concerts, festivals and sporting fixtures safe even after all restrictions are lifted on June 21st. They are debating which elements of social distancing and Covid-secure rules will need to remain in place beyond that date…
Boris Johnson is keen to take a cautious approach to reopening and pilots are taking place to see which mitigation measures will need to be retained at concerts, nightclubs and stadiums.
The use of masks, physical distancing, hugs and handshakes, singing and the sharing of food and drink are all being monitored using CCTV and wearable devices. Different levels of social distancing rules and ventilation are also being trialled, with participants being tested five days later…
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau of the University of Cambridge, a behavioural scientist and member of SAGE, is chairing the scientific group overseeing the test events. In a scientific paper published just before they began, she argued it would be essential to create “new norms” for sports and music fans. “While it is a basic norm of many sports crowds that people express passionate support for their team, and without that the whole activity has little meaning… it may be possible to develop new and distinctive ways of expressing that passion (stamping, clapping, etc) that are of lower risk than shouting or singing,” she wrote.
She suggested learning from the Black Lives Matter movement in how to weave Covid-secure messages into the fabric of sporting events – making social distancing and mask-wearing “an inherent part” of what it means to be a fan of a team. However, she emphasised this would need to be developed in partnership with fans rather than imposed by the Government.
Players and pop stars should be encouraged to “scrupulously observe restrictions such as not hugging each other after a success” to reinforce the message, she suggested.
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I’ve added this c**t to the list
Stamping? Watch out for collapsing stadiums!
GFY.
Where the fuck do they find these arseholes…
Well put, the mind continues to be boggled.. daily , fuck it , hourly…
Good luck with that plan. Please rid us of these morons asap.
Their function is to serve as movers of the Overton window. Mainstream rejects such outlandish ideas, but less outlandish but equally stupid ideas then seem acceptable.
I wish someone would kick a football through that particular window.
If you’re the kind of cuck that took your vaccine passport to the match, this is exactly what you deserve.
How about putting your “masculinity” into real life struggles for a change instead of escaping into another season of idiotball?
Two words “YUCK FOU!”.
Another Behavioural Scientist! Wouldn’t want real science confusing the issue would we! Luckily I’m an Arsenal fan so not making any noise is the Old Normal for me!
You lot must have the right to make a noise, sing and shout , when the mood takes you. When you win the double or something. Hope you get back to the Emirates soon .
🤞. Thanks. As an unjabbed oldie I probably won’t be allowed in!
Wow. It would be funny if it wasn’t so stupid and sad.
kind of makes you think that somebody wants theses collective events stopped or neutered.
I think that is the case. I think big tech are driving this. Pushing for things to be made so ridiculous and soul destroying that people stay at home and log on. We have to resist and get out there. If they destroy these things we have to make new things on our terms
Great to see Dame Theresa has been working through her issues
Talking through them too.
I don’t know about “new norms”, but I can think of a few “new entertainments” worth going for. First off, we could try throwing Dame Wotsername, plus the other members of SAGE, Ferguson and several others, into a Roman-style arena filled with ravening wild animals. Any that survived could then undertake gladiatorial contests, and any remaining could be javelin and archery targets for the spectators.That in itself would take the onlookers’ minds off their feet, made aching by excess stamping.
I’m in danger of becoming a sports fan.
We could start with sending them to Millwall for the afternoon.
Not sure whether that’s a condign punishment, or just “cruel and unnatural”. For me, it would be the latter.
I pride myself on an extensive vocabulary Fiatlux. Good one re’ ‘condign.’ Never come across that one in my 72 years on the planet. (Zarg, as it has become).
I no longer have words for these maniacs.
Black Lives Matter are all part of the controlled system, designed to be used to Nudge, Nudge, Nudge, Nudge….us into tyranny! And…
Ministers have accepted that testing before entry is likely to be required to make concerts, festivals and sporting fixtures safe even after all restrictions are lifted on June 21st. They are debating which elements of social distancing and Covid-secure rules will need to remain in place beyond that date…
Not lifting all restrictions then!!! Here’s an idea: Nobody go to these events. Tell them to shove them where the sun don’t shine, together with their bloody surveillance, rules devices and all the rest! Don’t consent, ever!
Yep.completely agree. dame Theresa is a top nudger, according to wiki.
I suppose the days when we supposedly elected politicians to implement policies that we agree with are a distant and rapidly fading memory.
i spend my spare time and money at football and music events. I will not go if I have to show papers, or have my behaviour dictated by a nudge unit tosser.
those who run these events need to think hard about how and if they comply too.
Most people will go along and get along. The evil bastards will find a way to dial down the restrictions so that they don’t put people off, but there will always be restrictions, at least in the UK, apart from places that fly under the radar. If you want old normal you’ll need to go to the US or maybe some poor forgotten country somewhere.
Zambia?
I am fully expecting that my participation in life will be minimal until I die (decades away, hopefully) – limited to seeing close friends and family who are sceptics, and some private outdoor activities. And working from home. I don’t expect to go indoors anywhere or to any organised activity or event. Basically just the same as my life now, except that when we have people round it won’t be illegal (not that this bothers us). The best I can hope for is to find some pub or shop or cafe that is run and frequented by sceptics, but there is not much sign of that where I live – too respectable.
We moved somewhere respectable just before lockdown, and I now realise that there’s a downside to that.
I’m in similar boat – except it will be VERY difficult to see my family and friends some of whom live abroad. I’m resigned now to the kind of life you describe although it feels like a half life – missing the bits that make life worth living. I remember way last year being out for a walk and realising things were heading in a very draconian way and musing to myself about all the things I like to do and thinking “well they can’t stop me doing those”. Turns out they can stop me doing a lot of them. And where I live there are no sceptics that I know of. Even just to have contact with some of my family members I have to perform all sorts of mental gymnastics and compromises. Feels very isolated.
None of the bull shit Ministers seem to accept was ever necessary according to ministers own Gov. research.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/316200/Mass_Gatherings_evidence_Review.pdf
As a form of protest, this would by far be the most effective.
I know the arseholes have attempted to turn ‘herd immunity’ into a phrase that no longer means something we thought we understood, but the power of the herd still exists.
If no one got on a plane, booked a holiday, went to a gig, refused to enter a pub or restaurant that enforces an app check on ID and vaccine status and so on, most of this nonsense would die. If there were similar effective boycotts and ‘herd community’ action against other vested interests such as big tech and governments it would be even better and even more effective.
Some of these twats are drunk on their own power and delusions of control.
Unfortunately they are succeeding for the most part.
I recommend we stand SAGE in front of a firing squad. I’d happily pull the trigger!
It’s my turn first.
Annie get your gun!
And get the corporal at Black Adder’s firing squad, he prided himself on the quickness of his order between “AIM” and “FIRE!”
Some revolting peasants in Paris on MayDay today!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp9ci2cnPMUfDnmjEJeEUYQ
That is hilarious! All I can see happening here is people will find better ways to spend their time where they can express themselves and celebrate freely and whole new ecosystem of human interaction will open up. These puritans are both short sighted and boring and should just be ignored.
Sadly I don’t think it is hilarious. The specific proposal in this article won’t happen, but there will be watered down coronabollocks stuff more or everywhere, forever, and most people will go along with it, and those of us who will have no truck with it will have very limited lives, and yes we will have to develop a new ecosystem but it will take many years, will cause upheaval and distress to many of us, especially those in areas with few sceptics. We will be outcasts.
But we will be having a lot more fun as outcasts won’t we. Groups are coming together already – you may be able to find a local one.
Well I would rather be what I consider awake to reality than not, yes, and I would rather live my life without paranoia. But losing most of your friends and being cut off from a lot of the activities you used to enjoy is a big upheaval and will take time to get used to.
I completely agree yes. I have nothing to do with any old friends now – even ones I have known since childhood. Have made lots of new friends who I must have more in common with really.
I miss my choir massively – that is a biggie for me, but I just can’t be with people who will be talking about how wonderful their vax’s were and who will probably be muzzled up. It has ruined everything. I have been in a kind of grieving process for many months. I do understand,and wasn’t being flippant at all – it is a massive upheaveal as you say.
They ARE being ignored.
Not entirely. They serve to reinforce the lie that SOME level of restrictions is necessary/inevitable.
Agreed.
Why do they go for Football ? ID cards in the 80’s. Fences. Travel bans. European bans ….and now vaccine passports. QR entry. Trap and Trace and now no booze. F right off you loony tunes.
The real problem is that far too many people just shrug and seem to accept it’s necessary, when it’s not. Just go back and look at the attendance figures for games in the 1919/20 season post Spanish flu. And then consider why a moderate illness like Covid is demanding all this paff when Spanish flu did not.
I’d love to see them try to bring this type of bull to the Bundesliga.
None of this pantomime is remotely necessary.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/316200/Mass_Gatherings_evidence_Review.pdf
I think it was Andrew Marr that said that in between the the end of the 2nd world war and the coronation of Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, the socialists hoped for a new Jerusalem and the tories hoped for a new glorious Elizabethan age but the British people ig
nored them both and went shopping.
I think that the majority of the British people of 2021 will ignore the Covid zealots and party; BIG TIME.
I do not intend ‘conforming’ any more.
SNAP.
I hope you’re right. But I am doubtful on present evidence.
We had a guy delivering and fitting a new dishwasher today. Having said that he and his mate needn’t bother about masks, I was treated to a discourse on how Covid was rife around where he lived. This, when we know that the incidence is about as low as it gets.
I don’t think this is particularly atypical.
People , for whatever reason, who are enjoying restraints will stop believing government statistics when they don’t show doom and gloom. The brainwashing has been that good.
A propos of nothing, I realised what is one of the greatest inventions of all time today, the common O-ring. Without it much of our way of life would ( literally in some cases) grind to a halt.
Simple, little things can make all the difference.
Forgive my ignorance but what’s an O-ring? Sounds interesting whatever it is.
Some workmen worship their masks, others whip them off the minute you give the nod, some just don’t bother even wearing them. We’ve had various bits of maintenance work carried out throughout the last year, and a mixed bag of sceptics/zealots, from the gas engineer with whom we had a great chat, to the telephone engineer, fully napped and gloved up, who refused to come within 10ft of the house, and freaked when we said the problem was inside the house!
All the working geezer’s we have had were ,.. erm sceptics tho’ they would not use the term, one gas fire maintenance bloke was a UK Column fan and went on anti lockdown demos.
You will always get the ” well, I heard from somebody who reckons he knew this woman who had a friend whose cousin”(you get the drift).
Just ignore em.
Agreed. I went to a shop yesterday with an elderly gentleman. I wasn’t wearing a mask – he almost had a panic attack. People have been convinced by the MSM and government sponsored hysteria, especially elderly people. What has been done to people psychologically by all of this is disgraceful.
Behavioural Scientists running the country, who would have ever thought it. Trouble is once they see even a minority abiding by some of their ridiculous rules, they think of more.
Johnson has ceded control to unelected academics and his girlfriend.
It was always a game to him
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
― C.S. Lewis
Reincarnated farm animals..
Gov.Uk (easily found)..
Government Response to the Science and Technology Select Committee Report on Behaviour Change.
The Government welcomes the Science and Technology Select Committee‘s report on Behaviour Change, and agrees with the vast majority of its conclusions and recommendations.
Of course they agree, because it perpetuates the Big Lie, and keeps their easy power going.
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau and her colleagues at SAGE want to destroy our culture and ways of life. The new abnormal needs to be resisted at all costs.
BLM’s vision for fans at these events sounds like a real riot!… See what i did there?
Well, Texas Rangers had their opener on April 6th with a packed 34,000 crowd attendance. They have also lifted all their restrictions (including mask wearing) since March 2nd. They have also a wide spread of the so-called British variant. You would expect a “surge” or something of the like, right? The answer is that nothing has really happened. Nothing. Britain has been the epicenter of covid misinformation and propaganda. We (by “we” i mean European countries) did lockdown only after Imperial’s false model for 500,000 deaths etc. Since then all type of scientific rubbish has emerged. Please, live your myth but not spread it out.
I don’t think it can be said that it is anybody on this website’s myth. Imperial college pseudo scientists don’t speak for me just because they happen to be based in the same country as me.
If you remember, there was the ‘bodies in the streets’ scenario after beaches got crowded last year in the UK.
I do wonder whether we react too much to sociopathic nutters like this, and similarly jump too predictably at the fakery of the virtue-signalling BLM stuff.
Remember the way of dealing with attention-seeking kids? Don’t give them attention.
I take your point.
I don’t think these proposals will gain much traction, but as I posted earlier I think they serve to reinforce the idea that some kind of restrictions and “new normal” are necessary and inevitable.
Yes, Julian – it’s a difficult balance getting the reaction right in the face of the wall of propaganda that is being generated.
And indeed, the oldest trick in the political book is to propose something totally outrageous and then back-peddle to something that is just ‘outrageous’ to get it accepted.
In my experience, the major problem is simply breaking through the blithe acceptance of any old crap that is fed to the public, and the fact that the large majority think that the members of SAGE are engaged in ‘science’. I run across gullible belief every day.
They tried to stop loud swearing on the terraces some years ago, how did that go ?
I’m completely at a loss about what BLM have to do with it and what example of theirs we might be expected to follow.
When this is all over, the one field of science that will have been damaged more than anything else is Behavioural Psychologist.
People will see it as a worthless and incredibly dangerous manipulation technique.
I think you’re right – it’s a case of scientific abuse dominating worthwhile research.
I’m sure a lot of decent social and clinical psychologists will be appalled.
I fixed the opening line..
A member of the public has suggested that Sage and the Government should all be held at the Tower and tried for treason.
“A member of SAGE has suggested that the Government should learn from the Black Lives Matter movement in how to……”
Desecrate our heritage and monuments and play the victim.
Because that’s the only thing the BLM could teach anyone.