Rumours that a third Covid vaccine dose will be rolled out later this year have been confirmed by plans to offer the over-50s and those with underlying health conditions an extra dose before Christmas. Younger people are not expected to be included in the scheme. The Times has the story.
Trials of two options are underway, supervised by Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer for England.
The first involves vaccines specifically modified to tackle new variants. The second is for a third shot of one of the three versions already in use: Pfizer-BioNTech, AstraZeneca or Moderna. While the approved vaccines successfully tackle the Kent variant, the amount of protection they offer against others, such as that from South Africa, is weaker.
The Times has been told that early findings from the trials have raised Government hopes that the two approaches will be able to nullify any threat from new and existing variants.
It is also thought that it will only be necessary to give a third jab to the over-50s and those with underlying health conditions, who are at higher risk. One way of delivering the booster would be at the same time as the annual flu jab, but in the other arm.
A senior Government minister said: “We will have a lot to say about the booster programme soon. It’s looking really positive so far.
“We think that the level of protection in the population to any variant will be so high that by Christmas, Covid should have just faded away into the background like any other illness in circulation. So much so that we don’t think there will be any need to give a booster shot to younger people because transmission will have got so low.” …
Last night Matt Hancock announced £29 million to build state-of-the-art laboratories to speed up tests on the effectiveness of new vaccines and booster jabs. The money will allow the Government’s facilities in Porton Down to significantly expand the number of blood samples they analyse for antibodies from 700 a week to 3,000.
Nadhim Zahawi, the Vaccines Minister, said the multi-million pound investment in testing facilities at Porton Down would “future-proof” the U.K. against new variants of Covid. “We need to make sure we have vaccine variants that are ready for any virus variant that may escape,” he told Sky News.
The Government’s concern about Covid variants will no doubt have been fuelled by those SAGE scientists, including Professor Neil Ferguson, who believe that a “more normal” summer is possible but that variants continue to pose a threat.
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But what about the Mongolian (Ghengis Khan edition) mutant variant that they haven’t released yet ?
They’ll need one of those too, to convince people who suffered from the previous doses.
We are much troubled in Wales by the English variant. According to the Plaid Cymru arseholes, who have the ear of Stalin Dungford, anything from England is instant death.
Our economy, of course, depends entirely on English input.
Politicians like Dungford must be getting pot loads of money from foreign sources.
I’m staying hidden behind the sofa until they find a vaccine for the Martian variant.
It’s spread by Daleks.
Speaking of which where IS this Alien invasion they keep promising?
Hidden in plain sight during the Downing St briefings.
Where would they find aliens stupid enough to invade? Uranus?
We need to start referring to “scariants” not variants!
😷
Someone mentioned “insanitiser” yesterday which I thought was funny.
The plan is to create a tsunami of Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of disease with the vaccines (nice inversion), blame it on a new super-virulent new scariant, impose full scale Martial Law, then it’s “Carry On Jabbing” til the sun goes down
The translation should be ” we realised it was endemic last spring, but it’s taken us this long to figure out how to walk away of the devastation we’ve caused”
You’ve hit the nail on the head PP.
This is yet another of the government’s get out of jail cards, just like:
Masks with so many exemptions that no-one needs to wear one if they choose not to.
Mask wearing all day without any health and safety checks.
Putting the onus on businesses to insist on their employees being vaccinated so that when things go pear shaped with the jabs, the government cannot be held responsible but the employers can.
It’s pass the buck on steroids!
But that is what happened with the money laundering regulations. The buck was passed to solicitors, banks, car dealerships…… Who gold plated, sugar coated and added knobs at our expense. You can’t do anything without handing over your inside leg measurement, and it is horrible to be regarded, first and foremost, as a suspect. Now, not only are we suspects, we are potentially infectious suspects!
Of course, these regulations often require paperwork for ID and other purposes, which has to be presented in person. Around here, the banks have mostly closed, and the nearest one is now unable to do anything, which means long trips to somewhere else. I haven’t had an opportunity to try it, but I feel that some entertainment might be obtained by attending in my chosen face-covering of a 1955 Mk. 6 respirator, which I refuse to remove on the grounds of “Keeping Safe”.
It may be a trifle puerile, as are most things these days, but it will be an interesting challenge in comparing my fizzogg with the passport photo.
I am sorely tempted to cut some eye holes in an old pillowcase and put that over my head. Or use the rather spiffing plague doctor 17th century ppe I made for Halloween. That raised a few grins in the supermarket, although others did the cat’s bum lip pursing for taking the piss out of “keeping safe”.
An injection in each arm??!! Cue bodies in the street then. Good for a stricter lockdown though
We’ve already seen (well a strong likelyhood) the flu vaccine makes covid infection more likely.What if the covid vaccination makes flu infection more likely? Well it looks like it makes infection by everything more likely initially. I suspect this will end in tears, maybe it is meant to
Walk away? I wish they would. No sign of that happening.
1 in 42,500 doses result in death, as reported to the Yellow Card scheme. Probably far more than that in practice.
Having had COVID my chances of death from it are far less than death from the vaccine.
So. I didn’t want either of the first two doses and I won’t be having an autumn “booster” and I also won’t be reading the article in full.
Direct quote from the Yellow Card web page:
“It is estimated that only 10% of serious reactions and between 2 and 4% of non-serious reactions are reported. Under-reporting coupled with a decline in reporting makes it especially important to report all suspicions of adverse drug reactions to the Yellow Card Scheme”
The deaths and injuries caused by these shots is massively under-reported, and those that are get dismissed as coincidence. Last time I checked the Yellow Card data in April it was something like 175,000 reported cases resulting in about 624,000 individual reactions of which 835 were fatal.
By their own reporting analysis that death count is only 10% of the real figure, and the non-serious reactions must be numbering in the millions.
If this were any other medication it would have been recalled long before this point already.
Yes. Total deaths are 1047 now. An average of more than 7 deaths per day since vaccinations began.
I would say that the scandal of the century is unfolding in front of us but the question in my mind is: will it be reported on in my lifetime? The media for the most part is part of the conspiracy.
My friend who had covid last October and had a few days in bed and a few weeks recovering was poisoned with the AZ concoction in Feb, within two weeks had developed Myasthenia Gravis which his GP said was probably due to his bout of covid and nothing to do with AZ. A week later admitted to ICU in MG crisis and on a ventilator, Consultant submitted a yellow card, ventilated for 6 weeks (came out of ICU with a bed sore – really poor nursing care) and is still being fed through a tube.
They are now saying he can be poisoned again, I have begged his wife to pursuade him not to have the 2nd, I have explained re immunity, antibodies, memory T cells, to no avail, they just say the doctors no best.
I feel so angry and completely frustrated.
What a sad story. It is incomprehensible what has been done to people’s mental health this last year. That anyone like your friend could begin to contemplate a) taking a vaccine when they have recovered from Covid and b) taking a second dose after such a bad reaction is truly stunning, I really feel we are fighting an uphill battle when I read of such instances. It seems that reason left long ago.
Pretty much everyone I know had a bad reaction ranging from half a day to a couple of weeks, hopefully temporary. I will guarantee that none of these were reported
It should be clear to any sceptic who sees vaccines as a way out of this that they are making a tactical error. Unless and until the coronamadness is exposed for what it was/is, we’re lost.
As soon as you accept the need for vaccines, you accept the need for all the other nonsense and for endless boosters and tweaked vaccines for variants, forever and ever.
don’t go booking that holiday: “Sorry, you can’t travel until you’ve had your booster.”
Which is the whole point of the covid exercise, controlling our freedom to travel.
Wider than that : it’s about control.
Control is all about economic rent, they have more and you have less.
The counter argument from people like my brainwashed parents, is that without the ‘vaccine’, we won’t be able to get back to ‘normal’. It’s no exaggeration to say that they believe these maniacal scientists are heroes. Yes – heroes.
I believe my parents are a good representation of what has happened to the mindset of the general population. If they look upon their oppressors as heroes, there’s practically no turning back for them, they will not listen to reason and they’re completely unaware of how ridiculous their arguments have become.
But yes, I completely agree, if you oppose the covid doctrine, and consider yourself a ‘sceptic’ (my views are far more solidified than scepticism), it makes absolutely no sense to endorse the so-called vaccine.
My worry in this case is not the brainwashed but sceptics who were hoping this would be over with the vaccine. Clearly it won’t be, and it’s important the fight continues.
I’m not convinced that such people truly are opposed to this tyranny. Such is the extent of government propaganda and manipulation, it wouldn’t surprise me if these people are there to ‘muddy the water’. I level the same charge at those who run this site.
I suppose it’s possible but I don’t think you are right about the people who run this site or the generality of sceptics who are pro-vaccine.
People have been conditioned to believe in vaccines, and indeed I think it’s coherent to think that if the vaccines work and more good than harm then why not embrace them, provided there is no coercion. Even if you don’t believe in the vaccine, it is (or was) still plausible to think that once we’d all been jabbed, victory would be declared and it would be over.
With each new madness, it’s clearer that no “victory” is going to be declared, because they don’t want victory, they want perpetual war.
But this injection does not fit the criteria of a vaccine. Those who run this site must know that, yet they still routinely applaud the “success of the vaccine”. That is itself propaganda and misleading. Why would they do that?
Well I think it’s somewhat splitting hairs to say it’s not a vaccine, though I agree it’s been oversold and may well end up doing more harm than good, and is unlikely to prove good value for money in terms of overall benefit to public health.
I think TY still believes there are some good intentions among the cabinet. I don’t agree, but I doubt TY is part of some co-ordinated effort to divide the anti lockdown movement.
My basic understanding of a vaccine is that it is an organic substance which contains a weakened isolated sample of the virus. This covid injection is a man-made substance that mucks about with protein spikes. It doesn’t contain a trace of the virus. High-profile doctors/scientists who oppose lockdown have themselves stated this injection is not a vaccine. Some go as far as to call it a bioweapon.
Deviously, administering this thing in the same way as a vaccine while calling it a vaccine conflates it with vaccines. So opposing this insidious drug makes us “anti-vaxxers”.
An alternative definition would be something that you take in advance of getting infected, that improves your chances of fighting off the infection or reduces the seriousness of the illness, and/or stops you being infectious to others, but is less dangerous on average then the infection itself. The covid vaccines claim to do that, as I understand it.
Don’t get me wrong, I am very doubtful of the wisdom of the vaccine rollout and have turned down the jab myself.
“alternative definition” – Changing the meaning of words is known as “Newspeak”.
The scientists have genetically engineered a bio agent that they claim serves much the same purpose as a vaccine. Our health agencies then refer to it as a vaccine, in the hope the population will regard being injected with it as something routine.
I see as it as an important truth that the (perceived) safety (or efficacy) record of established vaccines cannot be simply attached to any new vaccine, especially if the new product hadn’t even completed its clinical studies. It is a whole other level of absurdity, however, to assume the parameters of those vaccines for an entirely new species of treatment, such as mRNA injections (or a viral vector (so called) vaccine, a technology that had not been used for an approved treatment until late 2019, with all such treatments being aimed at Ebola prevention, and something of which neither UK doctors nor UK patients had any experience).
I believed there was rationale, early on: experimental injections may be a good bet for the CoViD-hyper vulnerable, and, if these people made an informed decision to accept the treatment, this, all being well, would eliminate the risk of our NHS being overwhelmed, and, hence, enable normal life to resume (or be permitted to resume by the authorities wedded to the notion that abandonment of normal life was protecting the NHS).
Stealthily, the plan has mutated toward experimental injections for all. This, plainly, makes no sense, either in the context of protecting health or of removing the restrictions. No-one, with even the slightest capacity for critical thought, can fail to appreciate this.
Just possibly, I suppose, a few genuine sceptics may have been caught out by the insidious mutation of the (ostensible) strategy, but I believe bad faith is a more probable explanation, and, indeed, the only one for those who’ve had the bait-and-switch legerdemain pointed out to them, multiple times.
Furthermore, the undeniable suppression of effective treatments, for CoViD-19, should, by itself, be sufficient to make any functioning sceptic question universal medical experimentation.
When you’ve been brainwashed into believing that you’re going to die if you get covid then of course they’re heroes for “defeating” it with vaccines.
I’m with you there – but I’m not even sure it’s brainwashing as such – many people get their news from the MSM which they believe to be honest and true. They’re unaware that the media is funded through vested interests and more importantly – advertising; advertising from big companies or governments that benefit from this situation and hence the media don’t want to upset the applecart and scupper their pay day.
That is why when their belief in it is questioned they think you must be mad because the TV or newspaper said differently and they wouldn’t lie, would they? When you’re having to get your alternate opinion from a mass of doctors or people questioning the narrative from Twitter or YouTube they automatically point the finger at you calling you a conspiracy theorist. Whaddya do?
I think it’s brainwashing when the narrative is being dictacted by govt and their advisers and pushed using public money. The media follow, and the public believe.
It’s a massive, orchestrated, controlled system of brainwashing. The British state is a pioneer and chief abuser of brainwashing and psychological warfare against what it perceives as its enemies, and that includes the citizens of the United Kingdom.
The real paymaster of the MSM is the Government with its tsunamis of covid/lockdown propaganda advertising which, see yesterday’s LS roundup, they are currently tendering to continue into 2022 at even greater expense.
The media and government are engaged in mutual masturbation over this even when so little is happening most news events are simply reporters and commentators interviewing each other.
There was a Guardian story on my Google news feed this morning which consisted entirely of a description of the performance of some Minister or other on Good Morning Britain followed by his later efforts on The Today Programme. Pathetic.
At times, I’ve hesitated in using crowds saluting Hitler as a satirical image for this idiocy, because its too big a leap for many to grasp, and has the opposite result in terms of persuasion.
But now? Your comment about ‘heroes‘ and current polling, whilst essential medical ethics are subverted, makes me think that it isn’t a hyperbolic image at all.
No-one wants to go there, but when nothing else explains what is happening, where else do you got to?
The problem is that Boris, Hancock and Gove are such clownish buffoons, it’s extremely difficult for people to view them as evil.
As you probably know, the point about that picture is the solitary man (circled, top right) who is not saluting; that’s us.
I hate to say this, but when that’s the case, we are getting dangerously close to people being in favour of a “solution” to the unvaxxed. I haven’t heard of camps being set up in the UK yet, but they already have plans in New York and, of all places, Germany.
Airport quarantine Hotels policed by private security guards?
Coronavirus act makes provision for it – Canada had that legislation way back last year
Don’t let fon read this.
I would be interested to see his take on it. He’s obviously quite pro-vaccine and while I don’t share his view I suppose you could see it as vaguely coherent if you were being generous. If the vaccines work then we’re free, get jabbed and covid is defeated. If instead it’s not job done and we’re going to be vaccinated every fe months with some tweaked vaccine because of variants or the need for boosters then it’s not really job done, it’s coerced medical treatment, hugely costly, forever.
I think you have to be pretty generous to make sense of it. It’s a very idealistic view. The booster problem you mention demolishes it in my opinion.
Elsewhere fon suggested that vaccines are the only solution to government overreach, I said the only solution to lockdowns and restrictions is to be anti-restrictions. I’m my view anything short of opposition to the actual problem is obfuscation.
What the vaccine obsessed don’t seem to understand is that it’s the same totalitarian neurotics behind vaccines as behind all the rest of the control and hysteria.
Fon, where are you?
The only solution to this mess that nobody talks about is an efficient, appropriate, properly funded and intelligently managed health service and social care infrastructure. Then we would have had no need to “save the NHS” and send old people to their deaths. They could have bought all this with the billions wasted on fucking trap and trick.
it’s coerced medical treatment, hugely costly, forever.
it’s coerced medical treatment, hugely profitable forever.
fixed it for you
Amen!
Absolutely. Essentially, you are tacitly accepting all the other unscientific crap – because, at root, you are saying ‘this virus is so bad that we need a vaccine so much that it doesn’t need to be fully tested’.
In which case, you’ve blithely accepted the foundation lie of an ‘unprecedented’ event.
I think some were hoping it would all go away once the vaccines were rolled out, and indeed I think that was a plausible scenario, but it’s clear now that the govt is not looking to declare victory and move on.
That’s right. I know several people who thought, ” F. it – let’s just take the garbage, and they won’t have a leg to stand on, and we can get back to normal.”
How wrong they were by not taking into account the goldfish intellect of a large proportion of their fellow (now semi-) citizens.
I work in the private sector with 100% university educated people, many of whom are more interested in politics than your average punter. I try not to listen but I think almost of all those eligible have been jabbed and the rest intend to when the time comes. Go figure.
I know many ‘university educated people’ with uncritical easily fooled goldfish brains.
But what data do they have that a booster is necessary? No one in the world seems to be getting this virus twice, at least in anyway that is of concern. I say again, last year it was all about how stable this virus was so we can be confident that a vaccine would be possible. Now it’s all about how unstable it is and a vaccine might not work. Yet SARS (the original) gives people nearly 20 years natural protection and no one ever bothered with a vaccine for that even though it seems to have been more deadly ?
Sorry this makes zero sense.
It’s not meant to make sense, that’s part of how the brainwashing works.
I don’t know how but it makes perfect sense to my neighbour! I mentioned he’d be getting another one in Autumn (I was trying for sarcastic!) he just blithely told me he’d have it at the same time as his flu jab!
Brainwashing accomplished I’d say.
“Sorry this makes zero sense”
How sweet. You think anything we’ve experienced does in terms of truth and rationality? 🙂
It makes sense only when you see it in another framework.
Indeed.
Natural infection (and taking vitamin D3 in the Winter and getting sun in the Summer) should provide long term protection against mutations because all the epitopes of the virus are presented to the immune system rather than just the spike protein. And so protection should be long lasting and T cell related similar to what happened with SARS.
While coronaviruses mutate they don’t do so at the same rate as influenza and so the protection from natural infection should be good enough to provide long term protection.
What Freecumbria said.
All the vaccines are good for is breeding more virulent strains, because the hosts of virulent strains do not die and live to spread them around (i.e. Mareks disease).
Thank you for that reference, it’s pretty scary – a disease of chickens that vaccination has made much worse by preventing symptoms in the vaccinated but not transmission. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention
Will they also be supplying seatbelts for settees?
Can’t be too careful yanoh.
A new reduced speed limit for settees as well perhaps!
Unsafe
at any speedwith any cushion coverRepost since topical
The bee is often brilliant.
And ban rocking chairs.
I don’t know where to begin with this … if the under 50s won’t need a 3rd vaccine it suggests to me they don’t need a first one at all as they know really that the virus is endemic and will circulate at low levels only. So they are encouraging young people to get a vaccine to protect themselves and to stop spread though they don’t benefit and spread has stopped. And they are preparing a vaccine for children! All very sinister.
Then there is this idea they can have a vaccine ready for a variant of escape – they can’t prepare a vaccine until they know what the variant is. Also this indicates they will be using the mRNA vaccine technology in preference to others in their new labs.
I don’t want either of their vaccines and the thought of flu vax in one arm and covid vax in the other fills me with horror.
But why have a flu jab, its been eradicated hasn’t it?
Yes if this is how they plan to make all vaccines from now on I am now officially anti-vax. More of those unintended consequences for this mindless Government.
Though I didn’t know it before this covid cr.p, I too seem to be anti vax and quite happy to be that way. I’ve embraced it now and no amount of nudge unit shaming is going to make me change.
I am hoping this whole ghastly episode shines some light into the vaccine industry. It may trigger some debate on the wisdom of injecting infants and children with dozens of vaccines.
Colleague got a blood clot following AZ injection. At the hospital appointment was informed that ALL vaccines can trigger clots…….
Agreed. I have no intention of taking the first vaccine. And I’ve balanced up my vulnerability to Covid (pretty serious if I caught it) against the minimal absolute risk reduction (~1%) and the evident high rate of quite worrying side effects (not over-emphasizing mortality).
Then there is the possibility that has cropped up that ‘flu and Covid vaccines may inter-react.
Why would I?
The only twinge I get is that family members have taken the risk because it might protect me …
As I understand it, the government / NHS has two “justifications” for injecting those who are not vulnerable:
(N.B. these statement apply in the world according to Boris & co.. I am not endorsing their veracity in reality!)
I cannot see how the above arguments have any less applicability to the rollout of new scariant-addressing boosters. The scariant would, presumably, circulate in the non-vulnerable population, and then pick-off the vulnerable people who are not effectively “vaccinated”, and also, there would be scariants born of the scariant.
I fear that, once “boosters” have been normalised in the geriatric population, the Sagacious ones will seize upon the above point and declare that everyone, from newborn babies upward, needs to be “boosted”, after all.
So if a third jab is being pushed out does that mean the first two don’t work?
Two’s company, three’s a crowd.
It doesn’t matter whether 1 or 2 work or not, if they ramp up the fear and threaten people with more restrictions [otherwise known in the criminal lexicon as blackmail] and they can withdraw your vaccine passport, which is most likely coming whether we like it or not, then you can push out ENDLESS numbers of jabs, for all kinds of reasons and there won’t be a thing that the people can do about it. If 1 or 2 work why would you even need vaccine passports? If they don’t work what use is a vaccine passport.
On the radio this morning there was a correspondent saying that the third jab will be different to the the first two jabs, if you’ve had the Pfizer jabs you’ll get the AZ jab, if you’ve had the AZ jabs you’ll get the Pfizer.
“It’s thought that this will fill you will so many antibodies it’ll make you immune to all the variants” he said with a casual tone.
Thought … THOUGHT.
This is becoming more sinister by the day.
Sounds like religion to me.
Cargo cult immunity.
Nice mix & match!! When you die or get a serious disease from the vaccinations, nobody will be able to claim any compensation. Impossible to prove which vaccine did the damage. Ahh well, good luck to those
I am not vaccine hesitant
I am vaccine adamant
Exactly. I hate that phrase. Stinks of NLP and “nudge units” and psychological manipulation.
‘Hesitant’ implies a childish reluctance to face up to things.
Vaccine Hostile works for me.
Ditto.
A quotation sample from within a post I made yesterday:
Jacques Attali 1981 (powerful international banker and unapologetic eugenicist)
Everything (only) makes sense if that is indeed the plan.
Including these mixed up booster shots.
And as that Tweet posted here yesterday succinctly put it:
Do you really think they are doing all this work on the vaxx passports for a one off event called Covid 19?!
People like Attali may have computational intelligence, but absolutely no human or emotional intelligence. It’s all about numbers…
They are gravely to be regarded and should be kept away from power.
You should repost that on a daily basis J4mes so that people see it every day and realise what they are dealing with.
Once you get on the VAX train there’s no getting off !
Coming up for 1 year and no TV watching. Has done me better than any experimental vaccine on offer!
Have you ditched the TV licence? If so, congratulations.
For Dog’s Sake!
They’re just firing in all directions, in the dark, with an automatic weapon now. The simile is appropriate, because doing that makes friendly-fire casualties inevitable (don’t try it at home, kids!).
To counter the MADE-UP threat from variants, first it’s “vaccinate everyone” (and bully everyone with the fricking vaccine passports). Then it’s vaccinate children (NOT including mine, of course). Now it’s, hey, why not 3 doses? Why not 4? Why not a new vaccine every day?
This just confirms to me that they don’t have a clue what they’re doing, and have long since left any scientific basis far behind.
They know exactly what they are doing – keeping the pandemic going forever. It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
Seems that the spike proteins aren’t produced in sufficient quantity and for a long enough to bring the intended fatal vascular damage on more forcefully.
Are they sure 3 is enough
It’s clear there will be periodic updates to the vaccines, new one every few months, to boost or guard against variants, forever.
Maybe its addictive and they know it, the sheep will need their ‘fix’
Only the over 50’s?
I guess it is easier to blame their deaths on ‘old age’.
Mind you, I am conflicted here, I love free stuff and I have missed out on 2 jabs already, now possibly a third.
“The Government’s concern about Covid variants will no doubt have been fuelled by those SAGE scientists, including Professor Neil Ferguson, who believe that a “more normal” summer is possible but that variants continue to pose a threat”
No doubt at all that’s what’s fuelling their concern but that won’t save them when the day of reckoning arrives. Advisors advise, Ministers decide. The fact that they have clung onto the likes of fornicating Ferguson and communist Michie will not save them from being held to account.
Well spoke!
I agree, but who will hold them to account? I cannot think of any institution now in this country which is not in some way complicit in this disaster. Politicians of any stripe are self-interested and compliant, the judiciary sits on its hands, the legal profession likewise, the medical profession is a disgrace, as are the police forces. The media are unspeakable agents of the State. That leaves the common people, most of whom it would appear are quite happy to go along with this, and are supine enough to accept whatever consequences there may be.
The only other solution might be a military coup and some Ceausescu-style treatment for the main culprits, but I cannot see that happening.
No experimental gene therapy for me, thanks. I entered this world fully human, I intend to leave it as one.
On the other hand, a few more fingers, toes and a prehensile tail might come in useful.
David Navarro from the WHO currently on the World at One DOOM-MONGERING for all he’s worth. However, he is advising against wasting vaccines on booster jabs for rich nations.
Blimey! I didn’t think anyone listened to that rubbish programme, or “Today” either.
Yep, dreadful job, but I guess someone’s gotta do it!
I’m 76, and today had my second AZ jab. The obfuscating, prevaricating mob can take their bluddy booster and stick it in their own arms. Enough is enough. I’ve had Covid and I’ve accepted the vaccine out of public duty. NO MORE. And I”m not having a flu jab again either.
I’m sorry that you fell for the “public duty” gambit, and hope you get away with it.
What us the value add? Take responsibility for your own health.
Didn’t Porton Down get £50m off the back of the Novichok scam? Boy, they know how to profit from a manufactured crisis!
If vaccine passports are introduced in the UK, does this mean that the over 50s will only get a green tick if they’ve had all 3 injections?? I see major problems ahead for the whole concept of the vaccine passport once they start introducing booster injections into the mix.
My interpretations are well known. As variants are so similar to the original virus there’s absolutely no need for a ‘top up’ or ‘variant vaccines’.
There’s no benign interpretation of these events & lies.
I think it’s likely that. VaxPass System, which is totalitarian tyranny, will be used to force you to accept repeated vaccination forever, and these not vaccines will be used to cull the population.
Why take the risk? Oppose VaxPass with all you have.
Absolutely agree!
I have absolutely no intention of having one of those experimental injections, ever, let alone 3 or more. a) I don’t need to be vaccinated against covid. B) I’d have to be mad to accept an experimental gene therapy under any circumstances. My point was that if the government are going to introduce booster injections, that’s going to start causing serious complications for any vaccine passport system. Which is why no one should feel pressured into having a vaccine they don’t want, just so they can get access to “normal life” via the passport. Just be prepared to wait a few months, and the whole system will start to collapse like a house of cards.
Do not accept 3rd vaccinations, they are definitely not required, and claims to the contrary are lies.
I have just voted. There were 3 ballots. Unfortunately there were no Reform Party or Reclaim Party candidates. So I voted Independent where possible, in ignorance to be honest, and spoiled the ballot “WOT NO ANTI-LOCKDOWN CANDIDATE” where there were only Conservative, Labour, LibDem, and Green on offer.
I am noting vaccine “hesitant”, “adamant”, “reluctant” people on here. Whilst I am a vaccine supporter, I would fight to the death for your right to a free uncoerced unnudged choice. And the point about the great take-up of the vaccines is that we reach herd immunity anyway, so we don’t have to worry about the minority of those who refuse the vaccine. And if y’all in the minority want to have a mini outbreak amongst yourselves, feel free, because it won’t spread far and you may have decided you are in a low Covid-19 risk demographic. But good health to all!
I think you misunderstand. I’m sure I speak for many on this forum when I say that, like me, we are not hesitant, reluctant or adamant about real, properly safety trialed vaccines, in principle. That is emphatically not what is under discussion here. We ARE hesitant adamant and reluctant about being coerced to take a medical procedure which is still in its experimental phase, and which is only allowed to be used under emergency law. An experimental medical procedure that has completed no short or long term trials. Short term we know that these medical procedures have caused more deaths and injuries than any other ‘vaccine’, this is according to the official reporting systems of the UK, USA and Europe. We also know that the vast majority of people will not suffer badly or die from the disease that the medical interventions are supposedly for, but we DONT know what problems may occur in the longer term from those same medical procedures. You may feel you’ve had a vaccine similar to many you’ve had in the past. I would beg to differ and say that what you have had is a new experimental medical procedure the long term effects of… Read more »
OK, so you are “vaccine cautious” then. You want years of trials to be done before unleashing a vaccine on the public. My personal feeling is that the vaccines will have saved (far) more lives than they will have caused, but I agree that that is a punt on insufficient data. We ARE the large scale trial.
The data coming out of the ZOE Covid Symptom Study app is very encouraging on the effectiveness of the vaccines, so with luck this large scale trial will prove to have been A Good Idea. Or you may be right and in 5 years time there is a terrible reckoning visited on vaccinees.
If you are vaccine cautious, does that mean you are a strong believer in the Precautionary Principle? And if so, does that mean you believe we should keep wearing masks for 10 years just in case they might reduce infections of any viruses that might be hanging around? That way lies madness, in my view.
Again, I am not vaccine cautious, I’ve had vaccines that I feel I’ve needed.
Of course I want years of trials to prove that vaccines are safe and effective, Why wouldn’t I?
Like the vast majority of people in this country I am more likely to get cancer than covid, should I ‘take a punt’ on getting some chemotherapy just in case?
You patently think you’ve had a vaccine that’s safe and effective, good luck to you. I want that to be true, and for the elderly and infirm, I’ll accept the risk might be worth it. That doesn’t hide the fact that most people do not need it, particularly younger people who, on a risk analysis basis have more to fear from being jabbed than catching WuFlu.
p.s I don’t wear a mask!
The effect of applying the precautionary principle would be that you didn’t put a nappy on your face, in the first place.
“One way of delivering the booster would be at the same time as the annual flu jab, but in the other arm.“
Makes sense – will make it more difficult to ascertain which injection caused the adverse effects.
November last year, it was said that there should be a delay of 7 – 10 days between the flu vax and the Covid injection. Throwing caution to the wind now, it seems, both same day…
If the adverse effect is that the arm withers and drops off, that will at least show which vaccine was to blame 🙂