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Ministers “Haven’t Ruled Out” Ending Mask-Wearing Requirements on June 21st, Says Matt Hancock

by Michael Curzon
11 May 2021 11:45 AM

Sky News presenter Stephen Dixon seemed desperate to pull a sliver of positive news out of Matt Hancock in an interview this morning. Discussing the rules on mask-wearing, the Health Secretary said: “In general settings, we’re keeping the rules on masks as they are for this step [of the “roadmap” out of lockdown, beginning on May 17th] outside of schools.” Hancock claimed that “the cost of [mask-wearing]… is really, really small”, though he failed to address the concerns raised in a recent peer-reviewed study in the scientific journal Water Research that “the toxicity of some of the chemicals found and the postulated risks of the rest of the present particles and molecules, raises the question of whether disposable plastic face masks are safe to be used on a daily basis”. He clarified that, for now, the rules “will be staying the same”.

“So there’s a possibility at least that the mask rule… could go in June,” Stephen asked. “We haven’t ruled that out,” Hancock returned – but it turns out that much else still hasn’t been ruled out.

We haven’t ruled that out when it comes to where we end up on social distancing rules and anything to do with certification domestically – for instance for large events. Whether that goes ahead… will all be set out ahead of step four [of the “roadmap”]… not before June 21st.

"We haven't ruled that out."

The Health Secretary @MattHancock does not deny that rules on wearing face coverings could be scrapped as part of step 4 of the government's roadmap on 21 June. FM #Breakfast pic.twitter.com/CrtGIdinDh

— Stephen Dixon (@StephenGBNews) May 11, 2021

Given the extent to which the Health Secretary talked about face masks before being asked about dates, it seems as if the decision has already been made (at least privately) that mask mandates will remain in place beyond the “end” of lockdown, as per previous reports.

In the interview, quoted on the Sky News website, Hancock also discussed the updated rules on hugging.

We will be changing the rules to be far more about people taking personal responsibility, exercising common sense according to their circumstances.

We will set out really clearly the risks. People understand the risks – we know that – and we’ll make that very, very plain and then people can exercise their own personal responsibility.

… Grandparents, sometimes for the first time in over a year, will be able to be close to their grandchildren, but taking into account the individual risk of catching this disease which differs according to circumstances.

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Face MasksMatt HancockVaccine Passports
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Masks are purely about keeping folks scared.

and keeping people scared is what the state requires for control and loot maximisation.

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Masks hide our faces. They prevent recognition and connection. They are a nuisance, a constant reminder that we must follow orders. They are a means of humiliation. They are disgusting. They impede our necessary intake of fresh air. They don’t impede the spread of airborne viruses. The powers that be who tell us they do are lying. The people who obey are either complicit or fools.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Susan,
THANK YOU SO MUCH for using the ‘L’ word.

It’s so important that we cease the presence that, somehow, our government & it’s advisors have “made a few mistakes”, “have a different perspective” or are “following the science”.

They’re doing none of those things.

What they’re doing is LYING.

Being explicit in this way galvanises entirely different conversations than does the pretence that it’s a dispute about the facts.

Thanks,
Mike Yeadon

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

If you are THE Mike Yeadon, thank you for coming to this site and validating what we are and have been saying on this and other issues.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

And that is it. They weren’t brought in for health reasons but for political reasons. Nothing else. Oh apart from fact that they break the person behind the mask, both physically and mentally, which of course, is the aim. I haven’t worn the damn things once, and I NEVER intend to!

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alw
alw
4 years ago

Can we just not quarantine Hancock and his fellow travellers permanently? They won’t be missed.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

There are WANKERS and then there is WANKCOCK!!!!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

…who might well be underground,
They never would be missed…

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John
John
4 years ago

Sorry Mr. Hancock but I gave my grandchildren a hug at Christmas and Easter. Masks do absolutely zero other than act as virtue signalling and to keep the populace scared. If they continue after June then they will remain in situ until this time next year as the number of “cases” will increase in the autumn as corona viruses do.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  John

You are right, they will continue through the autumn and winter and until this time next year .. I was certain they would keep them after June 21st.

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jcd
jcd
4 years ago
Reply to  John

Don’t be sorry, John; We have hugged and kissed the grandchildren every time we have seen them, and we are all still here and healthy!

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  John

They will be kept until the rna “vaccines” are fully licensed in 2023, when it will be legally possible to mandate them.
Maybe no one has explained this to Hancock yet.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

It will still be illegal to mandate vaccination. It’ll just run counter to different rules / codes. However, I agree with you. They are not detected by a breach of the law, provided they’re doing the breaking.

I will in any case argue that even a full regulatory approval doesn’t mean that all the important factors about the vaccines are known & are acceptable in the context of the potential benefits.

If there is a near term full approval, it will obtain the BLA corruptly.

They will not be able to show, for example, that it can be used safely in pregnant women. Admittedly, by September they may well have the data (assuming it’s honest).

Aside from anything else, some small molecule therapeutics which act upon the same biochemical pathway that spike protein does (ACE2R ligation) have, in reproductive toxicology studies, been shown to increased spontaneous pregnancy loss & are presumably used lightly in this cohort. Based on these non-clinical papers alone, I would have unrelentingly argued AGAINST vaccinating women who were, it planned shortly to become pregnant,
It’s abhorrent, what’s being done.
Mike

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  John

If course, the biggy that they’ll pull out of the hat is the forcing of face naps at all times outside. There really is no end to their evil unless we ALL say NO!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

I really dislike being looked at by that twat.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That’s an improvement! He had covid last year, he has had a vaccine this year but masks are better?

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Give him an effective virus-proof muzzle. It will suffocate him. Good riddance.

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Jess
Jess
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Seems a bit harsh but it’s an idea. Have to be cruel to be kind etc.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

You’ve got to remember that they really are not very bright!

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

With apologies to our porcine friends, pig ignorant might be a better description and with all the emotional intelligence of a plank of wood. Worst of all it’s Wancock’s sanctimonious smile that irritates most of all. It’s the smile of someone who’s totally out of their depth and doesn’t know it

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Peter W
Peter W
4 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

Oh, he knows it. That makes him even more dangerous.

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Do you really believe that was vaccine in that pantomime?

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lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

There is T-cell immunity after covid recovery, far greater protection than a vaccine. They certainly know this but choose to have the vaccine anyway (or pretend to) to encourage the gullible into thinking that vaccination is the only way to be safe even after getting the virus.
I’ve read the possibility that the vaccine, if given post-recovery, attacks the T-cells, thereby weakening the naturally acquired immunity.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  lorrinet

That’s certainly possible. Despite the position of extreme warnings that I’ve recently taken, I do not claim that I know what kinds of pathobiology will happen winter.
Almost certainly, not good.
It’s more that plausible that antibody dependent enhancement (ADE, worsening of disease upon infection AFTER vaccination than without it.
Those who claim this as a certainty are not serving our cause well. That lecture done, however, I do appreciate the urgent need to wake up a critical minority.
Preliminary evidence on pregnancy losses in women are no more than 20% completed. I’m not prejudging the final outcomes, and I wouldn’t be surprised by either outcome (that losses increase or they do not).
The critical point is that women of child bearing potential are too young to be at obviously elevated risk of severe outcomes including death if infected.

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TORs
TORs
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Is this the fellow who whipped his mask off after entering his office, not realizing he was being videod? What a farce.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

The very same 😡

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago

If even the most pessimistic scientists accept there will be no third wave there is no excuse for continuing the mask mandate. (Of course it should never have been introduced in the first place.) Should this lousy excuse for a government try to extend it beyond 21st June we really must hope that more people can be encouraged to rebel.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hampshire Sceptic

Yes, actively rebel. Those of us who already know that the whole thing was a tissue of lies, facts adjacent to the truth and accompanied by coercive propaganda, I believe we have a duty to proselytise.
I hope we’ll discharge that duty.
No one else is going to save us.

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B.F.Finlayson
B.F.Finlayson
4 years ago

And now it is all starting to unravel, masks were always the most ridiculous and deliberately visible of measures – although post-mask dental appointments will be like gold dust as people attempt to arrest some of the painful and obvious mouth damage (we will leave the long term lung damage to another day). They were the first line of government defence to show daily how many millions of corona-serfs were prepared to buy into the irrational BS of stopping a sub-microscopic virus with a piece of health damaging toxic material that boasts a totally ineffective mesh size and gaping side gills!
Yet it still worked beyond all reasonable expectation! Baa baa….
https://europepmc.org/article/MED/33923935
But, surely, at this point even our cowering, deferential, still masked up flockulace will begin to look up from grazing on furlough and twitch their noses long before 21st June; and hopefully before Government, teachers. medics and parents set their imperfect sights on sacrificing 200 (and possibly up to 2000) schoolchildren (around 1 in 44,000 deaths multiplied by 9 million school kids multiplied by 90% Yellow Card under-reporting) to the great god Big Pharma before Xmas, with still more wholly unnecessary phase 3 experimental gene therapy.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  B.F.Finlayson

Went to my regular dentist (private) in April, a notice on the door reminded of the need to wear a mask, which I duly ignored. Nobody inside, looked at me even remotely askance and the routine appointment proceeded as normal. While seeing the hygienist the dentist popped in and we chatted a while. Among other things, he told me that most of his patients, as well as himself, were vaccine refuseniks. Very grateful I chose this enlightened dental practice.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

My dentist doesn’t believe any of the covvitosh, but he has to pretend to because otherwise they’d close him down. I bet there are hundreds like him.

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VeryLittleHelps
VeryLittleHelps
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

My dogs vet is the same, she told me that even N95 Masks are only effective for about 20 mins. She could take her mask off when meeting us in the carpark as otherwise our dog would bite her.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

When I went to see my new dentist in Canterbury it turned out that he is a follower & sceptic as is his denture making pal in Deal.
Really nice when that happens.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I would imagine my dentist would also be a vaccine refusenik.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  B.F.Finlayson

And by the way, re Mike Yeadon’s piece in Conservative Home… does anyone know if a form of rna jab could be designed with contraceptive function?
Could that be made a thing?
Can’t see anything on a quick search.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Easily. You might not believe this, and I didn’t at first, but the Gates Foundation used African countries & India to experiment on little girls & young women using a vaccine deliberately spiked with modified HCG (a hormone essential to pregnancy). The goal was to prime their immune systems or order that they’d become infertile.
Their criminal conduct was discovered by a Kenyan physician & the BMGF was flung out of the country.
That doctor died a couple of weeks ago in suspicious circumstances. His friends there believe he was murdered.

But with gene based technology it’s theoretically possible to do a huge range of things, especially harmful things & especially if you don’t care about safety,

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

YES! thank you for confirming

and big huge thanks for all the work you’ve done and continue to do

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  B.F.Finlayson

I agree with your estimate of expected DEATHS of U.K. schoolchildren, mostly in perfect health.
My midpoint estimate is around 900.
There is no possibility that these vaccines are suddenly become safe as traditional, carefully developed public health prophylactic vaccines.
That well educated parents, doctors & school staff standing idly by while some of their own children get murdered is utterly unconscionable.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Meanwhile one child is struck by lightning and it’s front page news

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

So I am to receive rules on how to use my common sense

FUCK OFF MATT

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

Even though I have never worn a mask myself I was quite understanding of why people wore them back in the early stages of this whole covid debacle what with all the government propaganda making coronavirus sound like the equivalent of the Black Death – but now when I see anyone wearing a mask outside I just think .. paranoid idiot.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

I saw some twerps riding bikes with masks on but no helmets…

Now that’s the sort of risk assessment you’d expect from a branch-covidian

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

We have a neighbour who is trying to smoke herself to death before she is 30, but hey ho, she never leaves her house without her face nappy.

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

I saw a guy yesterday pulling his mask down to have a smoke. Absolutely priceless.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

does she have a hole in the centre of it to poke her cigarette into? how else could you chain smoke and wear a mask at the same time?

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

I refer you to Occamsrazor’s reply.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

My fist shocker was at the start of the mask mandate when I saw a middle aged lycra lout cyclist wearing a visor* which meant he couldn’t use a helmet!

* said visor at 45%, LOL.

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Brilliant!

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eastender53
eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I wish more were like that. Evolutionary dead end and good potential organ donors.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

I don’t think they are paranoid idiots, I KNOW THEY ARE PARANOID IDIOTS!!!

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

It is the single person in a car on their own wearing a mask that gets me. Why would you???

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mouser
mouser
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

I recently saw a mask wearing zombie driving an open top sports car by himself!!! Completely brain washed.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“ Grandparents, sometimes for the first time in over a year, will be able to be close to their grandchildren”

No, you stupid, mask-wearing arsehole bandit. Those of us possessing intelligence have never succumbed to your unbelievably stupid diktats.

(See ‘The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity’ by Carlo M. Cipolla)

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Anybody remember when (Xmas I think) some government tosser suggested ‘hugging’ grandchildren from behind ?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I don’t recall that one specifically – but who can keep a track of such a welter of idiocy?

But we did have a ‘f. You’ Christmas of a packed house and general hugs all round.

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago

The messaging is about keeping people compliant. Just read this, all the guff being spouted is more of the same…
#BeKind and #StaySafe, or else! | Patrick Fagan | The Critic Magazine

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

A very, very good article. Should be compulsory reading. Had me thinking that the people who are commenting and writing here are folks more or very resistant to being nudged. So where does that leave us in terms of fitting in with the dominant society? I guess it makes us subversives and perhaps we might be seen as a danger to society. Extremely worrying direction of travel.

But I know which group of people I wish to associate with – thank you to all the free thinkers and subversives here.

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jcd
jcd
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

As a psychologist I have always been rather ashamed of the lack of ethics displayed by some psychologists in their experiments/studies. Watching extensive film of the despair shown by Harlow’s monkeys left me in tears in my first year at university.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

Excellent analysis of the past, present and future of nudging. I found the following particularly telling.

“John B. Watson popularised the school of behaviourism, arguing that human behaviour was simply . . . the sum of uncontrollable responses to external stimuli.
At 42 he had an affair with his 22 year old student. He used a behaviourist approach to raise the resulting children. Both attempted suicide, one succeeded”.

I reference again the excellent three part BBC🤮 documentary from 20 years ago which saw much of this coming.
‘Whatever happened to our dream of freedom?’.

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“an affair with his 22 year old student” – just “the sum of uncontrollable responses to external stimuli”, I assume.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

This should be one of the key strands of the 2022 public inquiry into the handling of the corona virus “crisis” [inverted commas because I don’t really believe it was a crisis]

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

“the cost of [mask-wearing]… is really really small”

WRONG!
It’s HUGE- and well known and as such fully intended.
Whilst its medical benefit is ZERO.

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Jess
Jess
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

If Wankcock thinks the “cost” is “small” he could have said so while wearing his muzzle. He should be forced to wear one for the rest of his life.

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  Jess

An iron mask would be my choice for Hancock.

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Attaboy
Attaboy
4 years ago

yeah I bet something else is really really small too

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Attaboy

His brain?

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago

“We will set out really clearly the risks. People understand the risks – we know that – and we’ll make that very, very plain and then people can exercise their own personal responsibility….”
Presumably they’ll be doing the same for the ‘vaccine’ as well.
Patronising tosser.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

Why didn’t Stephen Dixon ask Hancock about the video of him walking along Downing Street fully masked then whipping off said mask once he got through the doors of number 10?

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago

Got to keep the fear going. And the shitty plastic-paper – what even is that shit – disposible mask manufacturers in business. And as for ‘rules on hugging’… Every time I read something about that, it gets more and more presposterous.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Simple rule :

If a politician is wearing a mask :

(a) He/she is a fuckwit
(b) Fuckwits should not be anywhere near power (impossible dream, I know)
(c) They are scientifically illiterate – so take no notice of their prognoses or remedies
(d) If they have ‘Protect the NHS’ on the mask, they probably are responsible for ots dire stat.

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Drew63
Drew63
4 years ago

There is simply no credible evidence that “face coverings” have any effect whatsoever among the general public. None. There are zero randomised control trials that would suggest that they are effective. The only “science” that supports them are so-called “observational” studies, studies that almost without exception observed different diseases, and circumstances that were subject to confounding variables.

I know this will annoy some posters here, but the fact of the matter is that vaccines, and specifically vaccines that have undergone the rigorous testing procedures mandated here in the UK, along with America and Europe, ARE highly effective at preventing infection, illness, and death from covid-19.

Vaccines work. Masks don’t.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Show us the hard evidence that vaccines work to reduce infection and transmission. Not just ungrounded assertions, or corpse count reductions that are credited on a fallacious post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc basis. Hard evidence.

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Drew63
Drew63
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Look at France and Germany.

Both of those countries were doing considerably better than Britain, in terms of deaths and infections, up until January of this year.

What happened in January, and continues to this day, is that the British government and NHS conducted an aggressive and quite well-organised campaign of vaccinating the entire adult population, starting with those most vulnerable. Almost immediately, we started seeing deaths, hospitalisations, and infections begin to decline.

France and Germany, by way of contrast, seemed to go out of their way to find fault with vaccines, and particularly the AstraZeneca one.

Britain currently has almost 55% of its population vaccinated. France just over 26%, Germany 32%.

In terms of Infections/100,000 population for the last week: the numbers were as follows: France 27/100k; Germany 17/100k; the UK 3/100k.

British people didn’t magically get better at wearing masks or washing their hands in January. What DID happen is that they started to get vaccinated. While their French and German neighbours have been considerably slower.

The British Government did many, many things wrong during this covid episode.

But they got the vaccination program right.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Absolutely.

What I find particularly irritating is that we could have obtained hard scientific data from children over the last three months about transmission with and without masks.

But the government didn’t order its collection.

Why?

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

It would have demonstrated no benefit to mask wearing that is why!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Indeed. In general the govt and their collaborators don’t seem overly interested in collecting useful data about anything covid related.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Right. The term “selective” comes to mind where “downright lies” doesn’t apply.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

The evidence on that actually points in the reverse direction.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Sorry – I didn’t finish that. The correlation with vaccines is actually a sudden increase in mortality after its initial roll-out (to a higher than expected peak), followed by a slower than expected decrease from that peak compared to the non-vaccine April situation.

It’s pretty easy to see – and as much of a correlation as any positive stories.

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Lowe
Lowe
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

The cases peaked in UK around 8th January. Vaccinations in UK were then about 3% of the population.
Pick now a random country – Italy! Italy had 3% vaccinated around 15th February. Cases were in a trough and subsequently climbed…and are now falling again.
Pick another random country – Turkey! Turkey had 3.6% vaccinated on 12th February. Cases again in a trough and again subsequently climbed before falling.
And another random country – Indonesia! 3% vaccinated end of March and cases more or less constant since then.
You can pick more random countries if you wish…
If vaccinations are saving us all, then I would expect to see a more consistent pattern in cases/deaths.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

By my calculations, the Ile de France (for one) was still “vaccinating” over 75’s well into April. Can be interpreted as a case against these “vaccines”. Just saying.

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VeryLittleHelps
VeryLittleHelps
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

When did this Vaccine undergo rigorous testing procedures, they have not finished the clinical trials yet. Even if the trials were finished pharma has a history of messing with the data by excluding unwanted results.

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Drew63
Drew63
4 years ago
Reply to  VeryLittleHelps

Here’s the deal. And here’s where the whole Anti-Lockdown movement (if we can even call it that) falls apart. You can’t go cherry-picking which science you choose to take seriously. And which you don’t. And the whole Anti-Vax/Anti-Government movement is a huge problem. In a perfect world I’d be glad to not have to accept the vaccines for polio, or tetanus, or measles, or chickenpox. But I also have to balance a) the very high personal cost if I contracted those diseases and b) the relatively miniscule risk to me for having them. Getting polio would really, really suck. Side-effects of modern polio vaccines are vanishingly minute. That’s science The only way we are going to regain our Freedom is if enough people get vaccinated. Read that again. The only way we are going to regain our freedom is if enough people get vaccinated. If the price of my Freedom is a few minutes getting a Jab, and maybe a few hours with a sore arm or feeling poorly – then that is a price I would gladly pay. And I have no time for Fox News/Donald Trump conspiracy-theory bullshit. I’d gladly exchange a few minutes of pain getting a… Read more »

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

That may be the deal on offer, but it doesn’t make it right or mean we should or will accept it.

I’m not sure of your logic in any case. The main thrust of “our” argument is that covid has not been an exceptional event in societal/public health terms and therefore the extraordinary and damaging and expensive, unprecedented, untried, unorthodox measures employed in a futile attempt to “defeat” covid have been disproportionate. Compression of the normal timeline for vaccine trials, emergency authorisation where plausible treatments exist, undue haste, poor data, political shenanigans, threats and coercion, all raise red flags regarding the vaccine program. It’s very early days in terms of understanding covid vaccines, and we were not in an emergency.

An alternative way to “regain freedom” would be to recognise that this has been mass hysteria, political machinations, incompetence, in short a huge mistake, and to get back to normal now and calmly consider what best to do about covid and the like, over and above well established plans that should have been followed.

“Our” side may never win this war, but we can’t unsee what we’ve seen.

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That’s it, in a nutshell. Perfect.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Not to mention the PCR fraud and the deaths counted as from covid when they were “with” covid.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

My freedom is non-negotiable thanks. It has no relation to or dependence on any govt mandated injection. What you are describing is not freedom it is a faustian pact that has so far cost thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. That is the deal – a deal with the devil.

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AfterAll
AfterAll
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Or, they could remove the bizarre and criminal bans on ivermectin and all the other low-cost treatments that have such spectacularly large effect sizes. They would likely have ended the pandemic a long time ago and they are not at risk from “variants”. Then, we could get back to normal while waiting for the end of the Phase III trials for the vaccines.

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Kat
Kat
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

It’s not really freedom if you have to have unwanted medical treatment in order to get it. You have effectively been coerced and therefore whatever freedom you get is entirely conditional on you continuing to comply with your ‘captors’.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Did you know that over 750,000 ADR ‘s have been reported via the Yellow Card Scheme? And 1,102 people have died shortly after taking the vaccine so far this year. None of this is being reported, none of this is being investigated, or addressed by MSM. It is on the government website – but you have to really look. Freedom is not about being coerced into having a largely experimental drug therapy injected into my body which I neither need or want. Freedom is an inalienable right not a condition.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

The real bottom line for me is I refuse to take products from a murderous, corrupt pharmaceutical industry if I can possibly avoid it. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is. Oh, and I’ve never been keen on forms of apartheid, including vaccine apartheid.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Why should that be the deal whereas it’s not for any of the other diseases you mention?
the only difference is the campaign of terror. It’s all smoke & mirrors.

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

So as far as I can see most adults who need them have had the vaccine. So why aren’t you free? Could it possibly be because you’re talking shite?
(Albeit from a script by the sound of it!)
I am extremely happy that you would would gladly exchange your pointless vaccine for a pointless mask. Enjoy the freedom it’s given you.

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Yep, definitely the new Fon. Vaccines vaccines ra! ra! ra!

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

sounds like someone out of a No 10 nudge unit to me

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Why should someone who has already had covid-19, and therefore has natural immunity which is far superior to any “jab”, and which will provide immunity to variants, also need to have what you seem to think is a “vaccination” (plenty of people here would disagree with you about that)?

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  VeryLittleHelps

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

“I know this will annoy some posters here, but the fact of the matter is that vaccines, and specifically vaccines that have undergone the rigorous testing procedures mandated here in the UK, along with America and Europe, ARE highly effective at preventing infection, illness, and death from covid-19.”

They may be effective at preventing death from COVID 19 (hard to say, given the low levels of circulation generally and seasonal decline of the virus)….but are they effective at preventing mortality overall? Without all cause mortality data, it’s hard to say. And there is increasing evidence spike proteins cause thrombosis, whether the spikes result from the virus or the injection. The virus may be more likely to cause it, but you’re not 100pct guaranteed to catch the virus (pre existing immunity means only half might even if the epidemic were raging)…while most adults over 50 have had at least one injection.

All cause mortality is what’s needed here before any claims can be made.

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Are you taking over from Fon(g) of the Peoples Republic of China as the vaccine promoter?
’undergone rigorous testing?’ What do you know that we don’t? You do know the vaccines are still in phase three of those tests? Results not expected until next year?
How rigorous is that?

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Perhaps Mike Yeadon might come along and provide some perspective on your theory “vaccines that have undergone the rigorous testing procedures mandated here in the UK, along with America and Europe, ARE highly effective at preventing infection, illness, and death from covid-19.”

What do vaccines “work” at doing? do they stop you catching the virus? no. do they stop you passing it on to someone else? no. do they reduce the severity of the virus you catch? possibly. How do you explain the adverse effects? the deaths of those who have been vaccinated? how do you explain the case made by the concerned doctors to the EMA? the blood clots caused by AZ? the reproductive problems? Masks don’t work and jabs don’t either.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

Had to laugh today. Sign in local shop telling people that sorry, they’d have to take their nappies off if proof of age was required, so that they’d match their mugshots.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yeah, like the first time I saw a woman at the supermarket till whose card was refused
The staff had to tell her that her phone facial recognition didn’t work with her mask on. LOL

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago

I doubt if they’ve ruled out closing the country down again either. Where’s that reported. So the news is a selective list of carrot ‘things the Govt haven’t ruled out’. Spare us the full list. More sticks.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

It’s one of the oldest fraudulent tricks in the political book – to say that ‘no decision has been made’ when you have every intention of making a particular decision. This is a slight variation on the usual wording.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

Well, I’ve ruled mask wearing out and that’s all that matters to me.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“Protect the NHS” is very well placed on a concealing mask that is useless.

Brenda’s speech shows what the real agenda is to bugger the NHS – which fits in with all the falsehoods and pretences around Covid.

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bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
4 years ago

Take your mask and shove it up your rectum you vile hobbit like creature.

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bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
4 years ago

+ Absolutely no point directing your fury at scum like him. It’s his Special Advisers, his senior civil servants and the puss that props him up that need to hear the opposite views.

They are the reasons why these choices are made. Every MP is a “generalist” there for the short term. MP’s are reliant on the Special Advisers/Civil Service dynamic and that is where the pressure points are, not Hancock and his like. All they hear when you moan is la la la songs.

Being an MP is a step towards the House of Lords, no more, no less. Find the special advisers Twitter, find Whitty’s people and you might have an audience to your concerns. This time next year Hancock is not even likely to be in his job, he will probably be at Department of Transport.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  bringbacksanity

I beg to differ. MPs are generalists and so are ministers but they are required to display honesty, integrity, to have at heart the welfare of the citizens, and to be able to question experts and apply judgement and weigh evidence and understand tradeoffs. Fundamental skills, qualities and behaviours that an MP and a senior minister must have to be considered fit for office.

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bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

And skills that they lack (generally) my Mp – a minister, has contempt and disregard for anything that criticises her pay masters.

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  bringbacksanity

It’s not civil servants, or SpAds. See the picture for who’s working the Hancock puppet.

(Source: https://evidencenotfear.com/matt-hancock-is-delighted-to-work-even-closer-with-the-world-economic-forum-2018/)

klaus-schwab-wef-MattHancock-status-956851034797891584.jpg
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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  bringbacksanity

Hancock will be the fall guy for any part of Boris’s promised enquiry that can’t be completely whitewashed.

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AllieT
AllieT
4 years ago

Erm … err … erm … shifty expression and dodging of the issue as much as poss. Sorry Matt you don’t strike me as an honest person so why believe anything you say!

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Lowe
Lowe
4 years ago

Went into the supermarket this evening. Sign by the brandy shelves saying that leaving the store with goods without paying for them will be treated as shoplifting. I thought that’s what shoplifting was! Talking (unmasked) to the girl (masked) on the checkout about it and it transpires that the supermarket recently had someone taking brandy without paying for it and then couldn’t identify the culprit because he was wearing a …. (wait for it!) … wearing a mask!

So one section of the “community” will lament the demise of masks…

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Lowe

well blow me down with a feather duster, sstupid idea to have masked people in shops – and banks. What about France, which was lecturing women on how they shouldn’t wear burkinis, and now is asking people to cover up. Odd cult

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diego22
diego22
4 years ago

Sliver. Although when discussing Hancock “slither” seems entirely appropriate.

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flick
flick
4 years ago

What is being done by Matt Hancock et al is when asked about masks is to put the idea of continued use masks firmly on the forefront of the agenda. Despite repeated outcries objecting to the use of masks.
Eventually peoples outrage becomes diluted.
The same happened with vaccine passports

Its a game a horrible shocking psychpop game.

IT NEEDS TO STOP!
Sorry for shouting.

#stopthemasks
#stopvaccinepassports
#whateverelse

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago

When I see people in face mask, it makes me think of the rat cage used to torture Winston in Nineteen Eighty Four.
https://pin.it/6HaqeIq

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imp66
imp66
4 years ago

“We will set out really clearly the risks…” In other words they’ll do all they can to keep the population scared ( of everything! ).

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago

Rules on hugging, eh?
Were there ever any guidelines on sex?

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IanC
IanC
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

There’s a new law just been announced in Merthyr Tydfil a follow-up to advice/guidelines from the ever-to-be-trusted BBC and their stooge Professor Catherine Noakes advising us on how to hug! See image for visually enhanced instruction.

Hugs in Merthyr.jpg
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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

would imagine they will be issued shortly.

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