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Fully Vaccinated People Will Still Have to Self-Isolate If They Come into Contact with Covid after June 21st

by Michael Curzon
25 May 2021 10:57 AM

It turns out that life will not return to normal past the “end” of lockdown – even for those who are fully vaccinated. Reports suggest that people who have had two doses of a Covid vaccine will still have to self-isolate for 10 days if they come into contact with someone infected with Covid after June 21st – even if they subsequently test negative for Covid themselves. The Telegraph has the story.

The continued imposition of quarantine for those who have been vaccinated is likely to undermine plans for “normality” to return next month because people may be deterred from going to crowded places if they face the threat of enforced self-isolation.

Workplaces may also be loath to mix vaccinated and unvaccinated staff if a case of Covid could see dozens of staff being forced into quarantine.  

In America, fully vaccinated people do not need to quarantine if they have come into contact with someone who has had Covid unless they are showing symptoms, according to guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Conclusions from a review into social distancing rules are due to be announced next week, with a relaxation of the need to keep one metre apart indoors and wear face masks possible from June 21st – the final stage in Boris Johnson’s reopening roadmap for England.

However, well-placed Government sources argued that it was important that the contact tracing system remained in place because it remained possible to catch and pass on Covid if vaccinated. “There is still a risk of getting the virus and spreading it on,” said one.

It means millions of people who have had two doses of the vaccine could still be made to spend 10 days at home if the NHS alerts them that they have been in close contact with an infected person.

Close contact is defined as having a face-to-face conversation, being within one metre for one minute or within two metres for 15 minutes. Not even a subsequent negative test would be enough to allow them to end their quarantine…

Continuing the self-isolation rule will prompt questions about the Government’s faith in the vaccines and whether it is maximising the benefits of its successful jab rollout. 

Worth reading in full.

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kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
4 years ago

Gosh, so those who got vaccinated just to see the end of this madness will not see the end of this madness! When will people wake up and realise they’ve been duped!

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

And the agenda is now clear – the unvaccinated are to be separated out from the vaccinated. What on earth is the purpose of double vaccination if you still end up having to self-isolate? how is that not lockdown by another name?

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Exactly, just had an enjoyable, almost normal game of bowls (average age 75) then at the end one of them said loudly “I’m not elbow bumping you, you haven’t had the vaccine”
1. I don’t elbow bump anybody because it’s ridiculous.
2. My vaccine status is nothing to do with them.
3. As a supposedly committed christian and in her late 70s clearly her relationship with her maker is very poor or she wouldn’t be so scared of dying.

I pointed out she was actually being discriminatory which she thought childish.

Guess I won’t be bowling any more.
The supposed purpose of vaccination is to reduce the severity of illness. It doesn’t confer immunity therefore the same rules apply to everbody.

Last edited 4 years ago by Catee
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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Exactly. This article has a handy table, summarizing all current trials, and showing for the complete avoidance of doubt – the only things the vax is concerned with, is a slight reduction in symptoms (which can be very mild, eg. slight cough). I’ve sent this to a couple of people, suffice to say, reactions were a little surprising!

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Thanks for that. I am currently deciding whether I can be arsed to put in a formal complaint of discrimination or just not go anymore. The woman in question is high up on the committee so I probably won’t get anywhere but it would be nice to cause her a moment of anxiety.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

I’d call her out. In these days of irrational behaviour everything is game. The fact that she actually said what she did, needs pulling up and highlighting, not accepting it as the new normal! Stand your ground with her. Then leave if you wish, taking your subs with you, and leaving their nasty digs and discriminatory behaviour behind.

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Thank you, I had just reached the same conclusion. My daughter helped by sending me….

‘it takes a strong fish to swim against the current.
Even a dead one can float with it’
John Crowe

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

My Mrs faced almost the exact same situation. Vaccine facists are everywhere.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Cater: keep going just to get up her nose. It should be of no interest to her if you’re not vaccinated. Write and make a complaint about being picked on and insulted.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Great advice!

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

In my view if you turn up for your games and go to shake her hand(which presumably she will refuse) it is her who is going to look the selfish prat not you.

Even better suggest you all go back to your place for drinkies and make sure you invite her.

At the end of the day if she refuses all of these shows of friendship then she certainly isn’t worth bothering with – and probably never has been

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Yes – some virtue-signalling religious (allegedly) devotees are showing themselves as easy converts to primitive ritual.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I have a family member who is just that. As much as it infuriates me it also really saddens me as I love that person very much. Its like they, and everyone else, have been pulled and brainwashed into a cult, unable or unwilling to reason, or to see anything outside of it.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

So I guess she won’t be washing the feet of any lepers then.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Carry on bowling, don’t bump elbows with anybody, ask her whether she’s had a hysterectomy, and if so, how long ago.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

What’s it to that person if you’ve not been vaccinated if they have? What kind of logic is that?
I wouldn’t have said it was discriminatory, but it is very insulting. And I’d continue going just to annoy them.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Does this prove her jab does not work? if not…what’s the bloody point of it!

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Don’t let her win. Channel your inner Cliff Starkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL4eT1cd4fc

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timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

I agree with all the above replies to you Catee and would add that you might like to ask your fellow bowler if she feels the same way about people who’ve not had a flu jab. Would she discriminate against them in the same way – and for the same reasons(s)? If she says no, ask her why not, as she’s just as likely to get sick from flu as she is from Covid. Presumably, she’s had the flu jab herself and, additionally, insists that all her family and friends have it also? If not, why not – as flu doesn’t discriminate based on age and commorbidity in the same way that Covid does and that healthy young people are more at risk from the former than they are from the latter.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

What is the point in separating people if they all can catch the virus, all can pass on the virus, and all have to follow the same (stupid) rules?

The only thing the vaccination supposedly changes is the severity of any resulting illness.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

… which much safer prophylaxis can do.

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ShropshireLass
ShropshireLass
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Just as probably around 99% of us sceptics predicted

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ShropshireLass
ShropshireLass
4 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Must admit to a vocal smirk when I read However, well-placed Government sources argued that it was important that the contact tracing system remained in place because it remained possible to catch and pass on Covid if vaccinated. “There is still a risk of getting the virus and spreading it on,” said one.
So tempting to say “I told you so” to those who ignored mine (our) warnings about the vaccination programme (let alone the risks to those rushing to get their experimental gene based interventions with no medium or long term safety data available).

Last edited 4 years ago by ShropshireLass
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steadfastandy
steadfastandy
4 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Yes, I’ve been duped, mugged, fooled, succered continuously since 23/3/2020. Taking the jab is the just one time. Probability the most egregious.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
4 years ago

but but…

covid-memes-3-1-800x667.jpg
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wendy
wendy
4 years ago

Is it because …. variants? Or such other nonsense. I can’t make any sense of U.K. covid policy at all. Ever morphing into something else. Now we seem to be trying to go down the Australia or NZ route of keeping infections out. My feeling is there will be no returning to normal until after the next winter when the vaccines will be able to be tested.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

There will be no ‘testing of vaccines’ next winter. They will claim a result if respiratory infections are again unexceptional, and blame rationalists if they aren’t.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

They’ve tied the end of restrictions to vaccine uptake rates. They just haven’t told you. It’s obvious.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I think that’s quite an optimistic reading of what will happen. Vaccine uptake rates seem very high, yet still we see the intention to keep this going. I suppose it’s possible it’s all theatre to bully the young into getting jabbed, and once they do they will desist.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Seem very high based on what? Government numbers?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I don’t trust the government but almost everyone I know has been jabbed

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

My sad experience, too.

Many on the sceptical grounds of ‘Lets just get this shit-show moved on – I’ll take the risk’.

But, of course, the premise depended on an honest government.

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Teamsaint
Teamsaint
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I know quite a few who haven’t, and my circle of friends isn’t that big. The skilled tradesman who visited my house today hasn’t, and also knows several who haven’t. I was a bit of a waverer to be honest , got my” offer “ in March , didn’t really want it and decided to wait, but made up my mind finally to not have it last week. I feel quite relieved now I have finally decided.
i suspect quite a number of refusers are keeping quiet about it.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The aim is 100 per cent uptake and the entire world.
Yes, really.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Indeed, totalitarian tyranny via vaccine passports only works if almost everyone gets it. Be in no doubt, tyrannical control is the aim.
How else are they going to reduce the population?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

“I can’t make any sense of U.K. covid policy at all.” If you’re trying to use logic related to concern for public health, you’re wasting your time. It’s political, not medical.

I doubt there will be a return to normal in my lifetime. As unmaskthetruth rightly points out, there is now a medical-industrial complex monster to be fed.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The warning of a Military industrial compex is well publicised.

The same speech had a warning of a scientific technical “elite” which seems to have got room-101ed.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Before the unfortunate change of format at LS there was a permanent and growing list of apposite quotations relating to tyranny going back to ancient Greece.

Many of them referred to the danger of technical elites establishing themselves for our own good.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Including..’I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction, the world will have a generation of idiots’.. Albert Einstein.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“Continuing the self-isolation rule will prompt questions about the Government’s faith in the vaccines and whether it is maximising the benefits of its successful jab rollout. “

That’s a milk-and-water condemnation.

It blows the vaccine narrative out of the water and shows the lying fiction behind it.

“successful jab rollout. “

So it’s all about logistics, not health?

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Well I suppose the rollout was successful, it’s just that the goop was crap!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Not so long ago BBC R4 was discussing the success of a government nudge unit campaign of 20 years encouraging the public to abandon the use of the ‘wrong’ cholesterol.
The interviewee was very enthusiastic about the fantastic results of the campaign but when asked what difference it had made to public health he replied

‘None really but it was still a fabulously successful campaign’.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yeah they got people to ditch butter for margarine.

Now we find Butyric acid is a major preventer of colonic inflammation

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

Not that many of us who comment BTL will be surprised, but this is proof positive that the madness will not end on 21st June. Not even close. Anyone with half a brain who was harbouring some shred of hope must now admit they were wrong to do so and plan accordingly.

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Any suggestions?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

None other than we have to keep plugging away as best we can, on all fronts, and prepare mentally and physically for a long drawn out struggle. My personal hobby horse is to find some super-rich sceptics to put some of their money behind a professionally run anti-coronamadness campaign, but it hasn’t happened yet and I can certainly understand why because they would be vilified brutally.

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes, there must be some billionaire out there who has lost out during this scamdemic?!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

Simon Dolan, Luke Johnson and Hugh Osmond are all pretty rich sceptics and they’ve all done a bit to aid the struggle, but I like to think I would have done more if I’d been in their shoes. But I can understand why they haven’t, at least publicly.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I was thinking the same thing last night. If that doesn’t work I might cash in my chips here and see if I can get in to Florida – Ron deSantis seems to be about the only semi-sane politician left at the moment

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

I’d go to South Dakota – I think culturally more libertarian than Florida, more space. The Governor has been pretty sound, no lockdowns etc. Cold but not as humid. But unless you have a lot of money to invest or can wangle a job with a sponsor, getting a Green Card is pretty hard as far as I can see.

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Come over the southern border. No questions asked!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

I wish it were that simple. Tricky if you want to buy a house and get a job, and you don’t have the support network of other illegals.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

But I thought the Democrats were handing out all sorts of freebies to illegal migrants.
Or would we be the wrong sort of illegal migrants??

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

… and let the bastards and the stupid just steal the country.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Well, yes, true. One should stay and fight on, and that’s likely what I will end up doing as there’s no other option. But perhaps it’s not the country I thought it was and not worth fighting for. There’s something to be said for people moving to somewhere where they can coexist with others who share the same basic beliefs. England is not that place for anymore.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Sadly, I agree. I too will join the exodus to god knows where. U.K. is to be the first, large country to go under.
But it’ll take years to subdue everyone. Expect a multi year campaign.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

It looks like that, but there are plenty of other risks there, e.g. weather related ones. More likely to be killed by a hurricane than C19, perhaps. It could just be that his view of the world is more rationale than that of some.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

I think you misunderstand me – I’m not worried about being “killed by C19” and if a hurricane takes me in Florida then so be it – at least I would get to do a bit of normal living there before I slip off this mortal coil. My concern about living in UK is that it hasn’t been “living” for last 14 months and looks like it is going to get infinitely worse for a non vaccinated person in this country – I really don’t want to be in this country any more if it is going to be like this – full of brain dead zombies all impregnated with the experimental gene therapy no longer thinking for themselves and being bombarded on an almost 24/7 basis with one agenda after another after another all allied to the Great Reset dressed up as global warming concern.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes. If you hadn’t got the message by now, you have to be beyond intellectual redemption.

Look at one of the latest – virus virtually gone (predictably); odds of coming across it negligible – yet choirs can’t meet in full, and nor can the orchestra I play in.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

If there are enough of you to make music, just do it anyway.

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago

How amusing. Will people ever wake up to what’s going on in the UK? Denmark and Israel have cancelled their vaccine passport app already, Florida and Texas never had one. Why is UK blowing its chance to declare the war is won and we can lay down all our (most vanity project) weapons – test & trace / masks / social distancing / lazing at home / fear porn advertising etc.

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SallyM
SallyM
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

I’ve seen that claim about Denmark but I’m not sure it’s true. In fact I’ve seen claims from people living in Denmark that it isn’t true. Corona pass schemes seem to be going strong in places like Germany and Austria as well.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

Israel has announced that it’s dropping its Green Pass, the one Gove visited Israel to find all about.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Yes. I think that may possibly be very significant, happening as the US also discovers that deliberate Lancet misinformation by top scientists covered up the gain of function research story.
Does Israel now know something which has made it less keen on the jabberwockery in general?

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

Because we still have the Whu WHO infiltrators running our Government.
Those guys who think we are run by lizards struck on an essential truth, metaphorically expressed.

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Marmalade
Marmalade
4 years ago

Just don’t download the stupid app and enjoy life!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

It’s not just a question of not downloading the app. People in workplace, education and other settings will still self isolate and others will be forced to stay away if they’ve been in contact with them. And almost certainly, testing will continue to be mandatory or effectively so for a lot of things – access to healthcare, travel.

It’s a clear sign that the coronamadness industry will not be dismantled.

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Can we call it the ‘medical-industrial complex’ yet?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

I think that’s a pretty accurate analogy in terms of where we are now and the likely future. Military-industrial plays on fears of invasion and desire to appear strong, medical-industrial plays of fears of illness and death.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

LS contributors, including me, keep on reporting totally lifeless testing stations and have done since the first were opened. Where are all these people getting tested ?

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I know a few people who have mentioned to me they are getting tested at home. I think a lot of people with school age kids send off for LFTs and test regularly. Sometimes people tell me this to make me feel safe. It has the opposite effect.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

I’d go further – ditch the smartphone

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

I think the two halves of your suggestion don’t hang together.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

Or do not own a smartphone

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bluemoon
bluemoon
4 years ago

I dread the next series of govt. fear porn ads. I haven’t noticed any recently. There’s plenty of scope with this ‘guidance’ for serious sympathetic voices to intone the new rules.

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemoon

‘Spare a thought for all the avocados and guava fruit that tested positive with Covid during this pandemic’ !! Great sign from the last march in London.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

Well it’s great news for the jabbed, they are still in the same boat as they were pre-jab.

I despair at the stupidity of the people in this country and very, very sadly that includes family.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

If I was double jabbed and reading that news I’d be furious

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

You wouldn’t be chomping at the bit for your booster jab then ?

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

good point – wonder if they realise [PTB] that they have just shot themselves in foot regarding take up of booster jab with their announcement that the double jabbed will still have to self isolate – that of course assumes that the people we are talking about have got the cop on to realise they have been had. Am sure there will be plenty of nervous nellies who will be so terrified by whatever scaremongering coming down the line that they will be easily enough cajoled into the “third jab” queue

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Quernus
Quernus
4 years ago

Not remotely surprised by this announcement, of course, and the government is already trying to lay the blame at the feet of the “unvaccinated”. However, those of us who have chosen not to have the jab (and even those who have but who disagree with the government’s strategy) are most unlikely to have the NHS app on their phones, or to submit to testing. So if the “vaccinated” have been in contact with an “infected” Covid 19 person, this is most likely to be another “vaccinated” person, because they are (unbelievably) still getting themselves tested!! (My father, retired surgeon, full “vaccinated” and totally hypnotised by the official narrative, had a bad cold last week and so got himself tested “just to make sure”.) Not sure how they’ll explain away that one….

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

Good luck with telling me to self isolate! It is everyone’s duty to ignore stupid rules and vote against those who impose them.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

I don’t have a smart phone so I have no idea how anyone is going to tell me I need to self isolate

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Except in your workplace or any clubs or groups or societies you belong to – you may well be forced to exclude yourself from those if anyone else tests positive

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

No smart phone and a nom de plume when I’m out and about. Also luckily retired. The only problem is where people actually know me, but how do my neighbours know I’ve been contacted? in which case ignore it.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

et moi aussi ebygum

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

They can do so by text on an old Nokia.

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oliver
oliver
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Spot on!

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

I am not vaccinated and will do no such thing.
If I am feeling unwell, I stay at home.
That’s it.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago

I can only imagine how the vaccinated true believers are going to take this latest edict lol.

Maybe one or two of them will even delete their NHS Apps ?!?!?

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

Who ARE these dozy pillocks with the app? I don’t know anyone who has it

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

You move in classy circles!

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Would be interesting to know the size of the current user base. I would expect this latest BS will help dwindle the numbers some more !

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ScepticSteve
ScepticSteve
4 years ago

It’s just three weeks to flatten the curve. It’s just a temporary extension to lockdown. It’s just face masks on public transport. It’s just face masks in other public spaces like shops. It’s just lockdown protestors (and not BLM or XR) who are targeted by the TSG. It’s just local lockdowns where cases are high. It’s just another national lockdown to save Christmas, and control the virus in advance of the vaccine rollout. It’s just cutting Christmas to one day to prevent a second wave. It’s just a third lockdown to control the second wave. It’s just self-isolation in case the vaccine, masks, social distancing and hand-washing don’t work. It’s just a triage and rationing of healthcare because of all the new variants. It’s just booster jabs, join the millions who are protected against the variants [cue soppy music]. It’s just more booster jabs to protect against all but the newest variants that somehow keep emerging. It’s just a vaccine passport for international travel and attending large venues. It’s just a vaccine passport for going to the shops or going to work. It’s just a microchip so we can have paperless vaccine passports and help save the planet. It’s just… Read more »

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ShropshireLass
ShropshireLass
4 years ago
Reply to  ScepticSteve

Why can we understand all this but Toby is still denying the WEF’s Great Reset is not the hidden agenda?

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Its a very clear attempt to split the nation and get one group against the other. Its right out of the totalitarian handbook. Whatever lies comes out of Johnson’s mouth, everyone should be aware that this is not going to end by power crazed people willingly giving up power, never has, never will.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Exactly. If you haven’t cottoned on by now that you’re being conned, you never will.

Just don’t let me hear about ‘the wisdom of crowds’ ‘the people’ or ‘common sense’ etc. True democrats have learned a hard lesson – don’t trust a simple majority.

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monica coyle
monica coyle
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

I overheard a woman speaking to another that unvaccinated people should not be allowed to travel. Here we go, I thought the unvaccinated demonised. Here comes Nazi Britain

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ShropshireLass
ShropshireLass
4 years ago
Reply to  monica coyle

Ref your last sentence – actually I think we have already arrived

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Jody
Jody
4 years ago

I swear to God, I’ve finally lost what little faith I had left in humanity. My seven year-old daughter watches a YouTube channel called “Brave Wilderness”, which you may or may not have heard of. The channel is hugely popular, with nearly 20 million subscribers, employs high production values, and comes out of the United States; it’s main presenter is a guy called Coyote Peterson. A typical episode of the show will have Coyote introducing his children’s audience to a wild animal, sometimes in rather risky situations, and it’s one of those shows that is interesting to adults, as well as to kids. Whilst the show is, obviously, pro-conservation, it strenuously avoids getting involved in political issues, and is essentially just excellent family entertainment. Until last night…! My daughter and I will catch-up on the latest episode at her bedtime, and I simply could not believe what appeared on the screen yesterday. Peterson and his co-presenter, Mark Vins, were joined via Zoom, from the Oval Office, by President Biden and Dr Anthony Fauci. Biden looked as though he was literally being propped-up at the desk, whilst Fauci played wingman and delivered the key messages.  The message from Biden and Fauci… Read more »

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

That’s awful, just awful … and very sinister.

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

Nightmare!

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Slightly ironic too, given that Fauci is seemingly looking at going on a very long holiday – it’s being reported in the US that he is looking at properties in 3 countries without extradition treaties….

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  String

He should ask Kissenger for advice on that one.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  String

No wonder.
He’s looking to when the Democrats possibly lose control of Congress (next year) and he gets hauled up and prosecuted for aiding and abetting an enemy power in its attempts to undermine the U.S., and his complicity in possible biological warfare waged by said enemy power.

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Good grief. The moon one way ticket would be ideal what an evil man

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellathebrave

Ps. I can only assume he’s got something on someone……….otherwise……

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

No. The addition of two daft knee-jerk simplistic ideas don’t create wisdom.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

Ugh! Did they just discover two new breeds of weasel or was it rat?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

11k upvotes V. 10k downvotes, not at all what Coyote is used to.
Some very pointedly negative comments too.

Biden ‘Get vaccinated to save your friends’, where have we heard that one before ?

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

This shit is seriously not normal. How can people not be a bit conspiracy theorist when this happens? Just abnormal on an epic scale.

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Jody
Jody
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

You’re right. It’s seriously abnormal.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

Both Biden and Fauci are provable liars. No one should take any notice whatsoever of either of them.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

“Hi, I’m coyote Peterson and I’m going to end my career”

“If only fauci hadn’t squandered the trust we had in him by changing his mind a thousand times”

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

Seen that it’s disgusting not much different to here saw a Parliament clip Just before says Nadim Zahawi- yes jab is safe!!!!! God alrighty save your children get them out of school if you can do whatever it takes.

Propped up 😂 are you sure it was him ha ha and not a model. As for Fauci. Help us all from evil. I’m a cup 1/4 full I’m sure he will be found out for his part in all of this. I’m sure anyone reading will know what I mean! May god have mercy on his soul because it will catch up……..With ALL of them.

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Jody
Jody
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellathebrave

Yes, Bella. It seriously disturbed me…

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monica coyle
monica coyle
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

Fauci is unbelievably evil. That horrid smug expression he wears! As though he is some sort of saint, and not, in actual fact, a mass murderer. You can bet your bottom dollar he hasn’t had the vaccine

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  monica coyle

bound to have got the saline VIP virtue signalling jab

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago

Your prose has been copied if you don’t mind.

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago

“Fully Vaccinated People Will Still Have to Self-Isolate If They Come into Contact with Covid after June 21st”
Why wouldn’t they? The poison jab doesn’t confer immunity.
FFS so sick of this shit now.

Last edited 4 years ago by Catee
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Susan
Susan
4 years ago

Has the NHS not got the memo on the PCR’s uselessness, and numerous effective and safe medicinal treatments? This wicked game of charades is being prolonged intentionally, and maliciously.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

Meanwhile, back in the real world, positive tests and “deaths with COVID” are down in the levels of statistical noise.

Who gives a t0ss about these “variants of concern”? They should be of no concern to anyone.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

deaths

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Oops, posted to the wrong thread, apologies.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

just had conversation with local politician on another matter and got a handwringing lecture on the worry of opening up in my region with the indian variant in circulation and the need for everybody to be very careful. I assured him that I was fairly sure we would be ok.

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Oh for gods sake get the sick bucket out geepers this country has lost it over

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

They aren’t a concern to us and our friends it’s all blooming rubbish rubbish sh1t. I hate this Government they are disgusting!!!! Vaccinating children I saw a parliament clip before – I started to rant – it’s sick disgusting.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

So Track and Trace will continue
That’s a form of Lockdown
Also means I won’t be doing any activity that involves the need to participate in Track and Trace, which is basically everything
All I do is stuff outdoors and socialise in private
I’ve done that all through all the phases of lockdown and that’s all I will do for the foreseeable future
I suppose if masks go on 21 June then that will be a small cause for celebration, but I don’t think I will be needing the champagne

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That’s what we’ve been doing, and getting used to it. Got my little family group, on the same page, and making the best of it.

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Fantastic make the most – us too

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Us two too…..👍👍

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Attaboy
Attaboy
4 years ago

welcome to streamlined population control, maybe now people will wake up?

Last edited 4 years ago by Attaboy
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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Attaboy

Maybe the moon is made of green cheese. 🙂

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
4 years ago

So, just to be clear Michael, are you in favor of a two-tier society where the vaccinated get to live normal lives and the unvaccinated have to live under medical tyranny, or not?

As a matter of fact, where do the folks at Lockdown Sceptics stand on the matter? Where do all the so-called conservatives and libertarians come down on this essential issue? Are they willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with their readers, or will they be the first ones on holiday while the unvaccinated can’t go to work or open a bank account?

Because for me this is an acid test of whether I want to associate with people. There has been a lot of talk about not wanting to breathe the same air as unvaccinated people. Well, I don’t want to breathe the same air as Fascists. Don’t want to be in the same society as them, don’t want to have the same form of government ruling over me as they do and I certainly don’t want them spouting the same freedom rhetoric as I do when they’re ready to sell themselves out at the first opportunity.

Last edited 4 years ago by Matt Mounsey
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Jody
Jody
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

I agree. I have several friends who have disappointed me deeply with their decision to get the gene therapies.

It’s put a barrier between us that I’m not sure can ever be dismantled.

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Jody

We have also but they don’t live near us thankfully – c’est la vie. 24/7 £‘s millions spent on propaganda. I’ve never known my fellow man to behave this way.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

Great post- thanks Matt! Sums it up for most of us I’m sure.

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

Crikey very well said my husband and I don’t want to be with those people I won’t be – how people can turn on their fellow man – it is awful upsetting. They just can’t see that this isn’t a Vaccine – it is still an gene therapy an experiment. I shan’t start down that rabbit hole. We aren’t sheep stand by your beliefs, stand strong – things will come back round.

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellathebrave

Ps. Certainly not their Government people have become hypocrites. I despair

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

bozo to a T but he he might have added
‘Coronovi delenda est’ by way of a Latin tag.

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ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Whenever I see or hear Boris or his accomplices, my mind turns to the mock Latin phrase:

‘Illegitimi non carborundum’.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago

We have heard a lot from well placed government sources and not a lot has turned out to correct. They seem to represent a mechanism for someone inside government registering their disagreement with planned government policy.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

It seems the penny has not dropped with some. You’ve Been Framed!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

They have no faith in the snake oil. Nor does any other government. What they do trust in is their ability to use ‘vaccination status’ as a stick to beat human beings with.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’m not sure whether they believe in the vaccines or not, but I almost think it’s irrelevant – I think they just want to keep this going forever, so they can’t say “job done” once everyone is jabbed.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

I was kind of hoping the T&T will be unnecessary and I can work in a restaurant again, T&T was why I left.
Does not look like it.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

If you don’t think this is all planned and a socio-medical project, why did I get this invite some while back? —————————————————————————————————————– Research Scientist ( PhD, R, Python ) Remote 12 Months £400 – £500 per day D.O.E (Outside IR35)   Good Morning,   I am on the lookout for a Senior Research Scientist ( PhD, R, Python ) who is needed to work for a prestigious London based Consultancy client of mine on an initial 12 months Fully-Remote contract. Day rates of £400 – £500 depending on experience are on offer.   As the Research Scientist ( PhD, R, Python ) you will play a pivotal part in designing, building and delivering a AI data Science platform to provide insights and predictions into what socio-economic changes COVID-19 will bring across the UK currently and in the future.   Experience required for the Senior Research Scientist ( PhD, R, Python ) includes:   **MUST HAVE** previous experience within Public Health/Public Health Research PhD-level candidate with at least 4+ years of applied research experience using quantitative methods for public health and/or inequity in the UK. Strong coding skills (R or Python; most of us use R) for data handling, cleaning, imputation, statistics, and machine learning.… Read more »

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

People called Neil Ferguson need not apply

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adamino
adamino
4 years ago

So, what do you think…is this incompetence or is it a slow, methodical approach to psychologically manipulate us into restrictive social practices for a financial reset (CBDCs), reduction in fossil fuel use…?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  adamino

A sometimes haphazard but largely effective approach to keeping the fear going because it brings easy power, fame, attention, riches

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes more snifter than that I would sh I was wrong!

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Mr, Feargoeson works for that Imperial College place…

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

All of the above, and more

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Bellathebrave
Bellathebrave
4 years ago
Reply to  adamino

The latter. Financial reset is an understatement. Get WDA on Telegram your eyes will be opened!

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