After almost 15 months of various forms of lockdown, hospitals have finally been told to change the way they collect data on patients who test positive for Covid. They have been instructed to differentiate between those who are actually sick with Covid symptoms and those who test positive but are actually ill with something else. The Independent has the story.
NHS England has instructed hospitals to make the change to the daily flow of data sent by NHS trusts and told the Independent that the move was being done to help analyse the effect of the vaccine programme and whether it was successfully reducing Covid sickness…
One NHS source said the new data would be “more realistic” as not all patients were sick with the virus, adding: “But it will make figures look better as there have always been some, for example stroke [patients], who also had Covid as an incidental finding.”
In a letter to hospital bosses on June 7th, shared with the Independent, NHS England’s Covid Incident Director, Professor Keith Willett, said that from now on NHS England wanted “a breakdown of the current stock of Covid patients into those who are in hospital with acute Covid symptoms (and for whom Covid is the primary reason for being in hospital); and those who are primarily in hospital for a reason other than Covid (but for whom the hospital is having to manage and treat the Covid symptoms alongside their primary condition)”.
He added: “In lay terms, this could be considered as a binary split between those in hospital ‘for Covid’ and those in hospital ‘with Covid’. We are asking for this binary split for those patients newly admitted to hospital and those newly diagnosed with Covid while in hospital.”…
NHS England data on hospital admissions is published daily at a regional level and several days later on the Government’s dashboard. An internal daily dashboard of Covid data tracks infections across hospitals but is not made public.
Professor Ian Douglas from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said: “I think there are good arguments for presenting these data separately – people in hospital ‘with’ vs ‘for’ Covid, as it does partly address the burden to health services due to the virus. Not completely though, because people in hospital with Covid will presumably also need to be treated differently to avoid further spread, which places some extra burden on the hospitals.
“I’ve got no idea what the split is like at the moment, and importantly we won’t know retrospectively what the trend is. Following on from that, there are only a few days before any announcement about June 21st, which may not give us long enough to be sure about what direction the ‘for Covid’ numbers are going.”
This change resembles the recent shift in the definition of a “case” by the CDC in America, where an infection in a vaccinated person is now only a “case” when the person is hospitalised or dies, whereas with the unvaccinated any positive PCR test still counts as a “case”, no matter how mild or asymptomatic.
Now, I’m all in favour of a more restrictive and conventional definition of case that gives a more realistic picture of the impact of the disease. But one can’t help suspect it’s more about politics than science when the kind of change many of us have been calling for since the start only comes once it helps to create the impression that the vaccines are working.
The Independent report is worth reading in full.
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LOL. 18 months too late methinks….
But the objective has been achieved – they used the “cases” hysteria and fraudulent death figures to push their jabs and defraud whole populations into accepting a medical intervention they might not otherwise have accepted, in some cases suffering incalculable harm into the bargain. So, yes, 18 months too late, and even if they backdate the numbers and revise death certs where those who died from something else with a positive covid test result were certified as dying ‘of’ covid, the objective has been achieved. Shame on them.
I hope they will also backdate the numbers to 1st March 2020, but I’m not holding my breath.
wise move. if you did hols your beath you might soon join the the count of ‘maybe covid’.
Are you drunk again tonight, fon?
He’s been on half-term leave but hasn’t got sober yet.
He’s a comic isn’t he?
Cunt
Too late. We will never know the real extent of the virus.
FFS – there’s still total confusion over Covid, SARS, infection and case.
The lunatics are still in charge of the arsehole-sylum.
Politics at play again. Must protect the narrative of the Jabs at all cost.
the jabs are the only potential thing preventing permanent lockdown. If you want to bring sanity, quit the ‘but it’s all about me‘ hogwash, and get immunised or gird your loins for lockdown without end.
And you’ve swallowed the vaccine kool aid and relished every drop. Have a look at the evidence that is now clearly emerging. Look at Florida and Texas. Florida has been full opened since September last year. There is no plague. This is empirical evidence, not bs computer modeling. Open your eyes, there is no excuse any longer for not seeing that this has been a planned psyop from the beginning.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/06/09/22000-people-gather-in-florida-for-first-live-music-festival-since-covid/
And when the virus rears its ugly seasonal head again in the autumn as respiratory viruses always do, and it becomes obvious that the snake oils don’t work, what do you do then, Little Pincushion Fon?
I feel sure fon’s CO will think of something.
Visit the ER with ADE?
No, lockdowns are the coercion to take the injections, and, later, will be the coercion for supporting forced injection of those who continue to decline. Our oppression will continue, no matter how many “vaccinations” and “boosters” we accept.
Yes the plan is to inject us all. When the autumn seasonal viruses next come round, they just can’t afford to risk having a sizeable chunk of the population remaining unvaccinated, as it will be all too bloody obvious exactly what is going on, with only the vaccinated dropping like flies. Hard times ahead, but there is no viable alternative to vaccination refusal.
My worry is about how hard they are going to make it. My friend is already distressed because she can’t get a job in a care home working with old people (something incidentally they is jolly good at) because apparently there is a “no jab no job” policy there already (if this is not in fact the case, I’d love to know). I worry about the number of good (and principled) workers that will be lost from care homes.
My sister in law, a registered nurse, has recently resigned from a management position after 17 years at a care home, where she was being pressured to accept Covid vaccination. She says four residents died within days of vaccination. Now of course, the old and infirm should be looked after properly, but neither staff nor residents should be forced to accept injection with hardly tested and liability free experimental biological agents, that are clearly only masquerading as vaccines. No job is remotely worth that risk.
Rowen, if your friend might be willing to give evidence, anonymously, to a group of investigators, I can put them in contact.
Fon, you have it COMPLETELY BACKWARDS. We sceptics have been all too aware of the extreme damage being done to ALL members of society by the disastrous lockdowns – especially the vulnerable amongst us.
Wake up and realise that COVID was never a health emergency.
He’s just one of 77.
Best ignored. Or take the P.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/covid-vaccines-concerns-that-make-more-research-essential/
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-drugs/faq-20485627
So the Mayo Clinic is in on it too.
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/49
So just how much of a threat are we under from the “vaccinated”?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/revisesociology.com/2021/04/25/the-covid-vaccines-are-not-safe/amp/
If it was all about “me” I’d be all over lockdown. It seems to me that the selfish people would be delighted to lock everyone up. I am of no such persuasive view point. I think personal choice and personal accountably is much more reasonable than house arrest, the removal of basic liberty rights and coercion on an unprecedented scale. This all flies in the face of the Pandemic Preparedness Plan.
Lockdown itself is a political choice I do not accept. It is not and never was an unavoidable consequence of a virus which never did pose the threat necessary to train wreck the lives of billions. The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few, unless you lack courage, spine and experience of course.
As for the vaccine like everything else it is a personal choice. Have or have not. You will not find me saying anything but that ever, with the exception of Children, whom I happen to think deserve the precautionary principle to be applied for them.
So 80% having anti bodies at 35% to 45% double jabbed tells you what exactly? We are there. Give it up. And with the revision of numbers as per the Independent article, what would the IFR for the UK look like? Ioannidis step forward.
Take your vaccine if you like, just then keep it zipped.
My understanding was that “vaccines don’t do much beyond reducing symptoms a bit (meaning that people are more likely to go out whilst infectious once “vaccinated”, with the “vaccinated” people they come into contact with still able to become infected as there is not 100% protection. As has been said before, I think the real tet will be this Winter, although goodness knows, “Covid” death figures are currently little different from last Summer, so far as I can see. Besides, as I pointed out in the “vaccination doesn’t add any protection” comments, there are religious and ethnic groups who for various reasons have a lower rate of vaccinations, and, if we are to avoid a discriminatory apartheid (which history would suggest is quite a good idea, as well as various international treaties etc.), then it is essential that adequate provision is made for these groups. At the end of the day, the number of people “vaccinated” with these experimental drugs has been remarkably high.
ps I’d love Fon to actually seriously address my points one of these days.
Indeed, and I’ve asked Fon to post about any one f the central narrative points about this virus.
I assert that all of them are lies.
Game on.
I’ll gird my loins then
Sanity: undergo an experimental medical intervention of doubtful usefulness, and proven dangers, to appease political goals. Lol.
Fon, that’s complete rubbish, and I think you know it is.
There was substantial prior immunity in the population (30-50%).
On top of this, around 25% of the population has been infected at some point & are now immune,
Combining these two & noting that ten million young children aren’t so much immune as resistant to severe illness & very poor vectors of transmission, it’s not possible to have a genuine epidemic now. The immune status of the U.K. population makes that impossible.
Every one of the central narrative points about this virus is a lie.
No exceptions. If you think differently, make a post about a central narrative point that you say is accurate.
I’ll check back later and demolish whatever fiction you come up with.
Thanks!
Mike
fon is just the village idiot. Passing amusing, but largely best ignored. He has never knowingly been in touch with reality.
Those with a moderate understanding of statistics realised in April 2020 that the the data was being manipulated for nefarious purposes. For me I became a sceptic when I heard that hospitals were being emptied of sick elderly people and dumped into nursing homes. No doubt to bump up the death figures as they knew it would kill off the vulnerable. Then it was dying with covid, not of covid, I stopped believing anything politicians and the MSM said (I stopped believing in politicians during the Iraq war and the lies to take us to war). They banged on about R rates which are meaningless on there own. The common cold has a high R rate but its IFR is low, so R rate without the IFR means nothing. It has been lies and physical and psychological manipulation of the masses from the beginning and now the masses are programmed to comply. Just look at people going into shops, they automatically put a mask on without questioning, why. As they say it’s easier to fool someone than it is to persuade them that they have been fooled. Now we have a situation where the sheeple will keep the faith because… Read more »
I think your last point is key. People who have believed and have gotten the shots will stubbornly and defensively decline to learn and accept the truth. I’m sure tptb are counting on this very human reaction.
Let’s call it for what it is – fraud.
It’s a scam and always has been. Many agendas in play, but none relate to health.
Most of them point to massive depopulation.
They’re doing this to make it look as though hospitalisations are now under control, compared with the past. They’ll state that this has been due to the vaccines.
Whenever a change like this happens ‘in an important statistic’ the right thing to do is to continue reporting the old statistic alongside the new one for a period of time (say, 12 months in this case). By doing this people can readily make comparisons between the current situation and that in the past.
But they won’t do this. They’ll probably not even announce the change. It’ll merely be far fewer people in hospital ‘because of covid’. And the happy throngs will rejoice at the news, even though nothing has changed.
I was typing the same thing just as your post appeared! It’s blatant propaganda yet again. Same as the WHO PCR changes in April/May (not February as I stated in my post).
Evidence here:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
And here:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/26/more-flagrant-data-manipulation-from-the-cdc/
Call me Mr skeptical but I think this will be the same as the WHO decision in February to reduce the cycles used in PCR tests to 28. Timed deliberately to reduce the number of “cases” so as to make it appear that the vaccine is working and has saved the world. This is the same shit. It’s all part of the marketing and PR for this complete scam to sell a vaccine making billions for the manufacturer while they have no liability for the hundreds of thousands of adverse effects and thousands of deaths happening after vaccination.
Absolutely.
Finally.
But the damage is done.
And most people love their captors now, it would seem. The b*stards could come clean about the whole charade, and the people would only love them all the more.
Perhaps a few people will, at last, cotton on, if they hear of this change being made. The fact the statistic is being changed makes it undeniable that it’s been unfit for purpose all along. (Those most averse to the truth will insist that it’s only now hospitals are quieter that they’ve the capacity to compile the more complex statistics.)
As I mentioned, yesterday, the current statistics aggregate not only hospitals but also “mental health and learning disability trusts”. One wonders for how many “acute Covid symptoms” will be “the primary reason” for being in the care of a learning disability trust. (https://dailysceptic.org/2021/06/09/deaths-in-england-and-wales-have-been-below-the-five-year-average-for-11-of-the-past-12-weeks/#comment-518064)
The CDC legerdemain, mentioned in passing, “an infection in a vaccinated person is now only a ‘case’ when the person is hospitalised or dies, whereas with the unvaccinated any positive PCR test still counts as a ‘case’, no matter how mild or asymptomatic“, is blatant fraud.
Nobody will cotton on except a few skeptics.
Most people haven’t spotted any of the fraud and deception so far, they sure aren’t going to now that they are all vaccinated and therefore part of the fraud.
You’re right.
The ‘sceptic’ case has been supported at every turn by subsequent evidence; Johnson has carried on as a career liar whose only consistency is that of lying; Whitty, Vallance et al have been excruciatingly wrong on every major issue.
And yet the general population still lap up the crap as if it were nectar.
I actually think that the name ‘sceptic’ may have outlived its usefulness. I think we should adopt ‘rationalist’, since we are the ones who have stuck to the rational analysis of pre-2020 strategy regarding ‘pandemics’.
I think this isn’t an admission of past errors, but intended to minimise the affect of the increasing numbers caused by adverse vaccine reactions. It will go back to the manipulation of standard mortality data in autumn
Bloody typical, timed to make it look like the “vaccines” are working. But we know the truth, and we will never forget those who have been driving, and supported, this shitshow. There will come a time when they will all be shitting themselves.
By the way, 42 more covid vaccine-related deaths reported to the yellow card system since last week. There has been no reduction in vaccine-related deaths over the last few weeks, despite age of “vaccinated” reducing week on week. If anything, the numbers are on the increase. These deaths cannot be attributed to the elderly and ill, as they were already doubly injected.
Well blow me down but didn’t I say the other day that they had to change the way they recorded this?
Better late than never, I suppose… whether it will save us from further lockdowns, however, remains to be seen.
Clearly the NHS, by not differentiating between with and because of Covid earlier, helped to ramp up project fear. However the important question is did they do so willingly in which case they are as much to blame for all the harms done by lockdown as Bozo, Whitty etc. or was pressure put on them not to make the distinction? Another of the long list of questions that won’t be investigated by the official enquiry.
If they knowingly made Covid appear worse than it was it makes me even gladder that I never clapped for them.
I doubt there was sufficient pressure to constitute any sort of excuse. Note the absence of whistle-blowers drawing attention to the inadequacy of the metric. Data about for what reason each patient is in hospital must always have been being collated, and nobody has been getting hold of it and putting out comparisons.
Ah yes, the appalling treatment of whistleblowers. A crime which should not go unpunished at “Nuremberg2”.
Will it have the side effect that one can try to interpret the data how many people with recent vaccination are now treated for stroke, heart attack, blood clots as a result of the injection?
I don’t think so as the basic question ‘have you been recently vaccinated’ isn’t routinely asked during assessment. If the patient declares that information, they are ‘reassured’ the vax is safe and therefore not the cause of any presenting complaints or concerns.
Whatever data is revealed will be manipulated to suit the nefarious aim of having the total population injected with the shite in a syringe.
Why? (Just for the record?).
(The manipulation of data (basically lying?) we’ve seen throughout has been an absolute stuffing disgrace btw)
Why?
Assuming this is not a rhetorical question, I believe the entire global scam has, as its objectives (a) totalitarian tyranny via vaccine passports & (b) use of VaxPass to coerce people to show up for their 3rd and subsequent “vaccinations”, which won’t be vaccines, but mRNA sequences triggering fatal diseases.
The article does not detail how they will differentiate between someone with a +ve PCR test and someone actually sick with COVID. Will they be performing serological analysis on every case? If that is what they’re going to do, then the question has to be asked why they haven’t been doing that from the beginning. It is not recket science, it is well established how to do this.
The other thing is that after they change how they determine how a patient is defined as a COVID patient, it is absolutely vital that they also continue to report the numbers using the exist method as well. That way everyone can see how much different the change has made.
vital, but maybe not likely…
Vaccinated +ve PCR.
Unvaccinated very sick
There must have been studies done in the UK to verify how many of admissions with a +ve PCR test actually do have an active SARS-CoV-2 infection with COVID19 symptoms. This must have been done periodically in many hospitals around the UK. Does anyone have any links to any of these studies, facts and figures?
I can see where you’ve gone wrong, here.
No, they’ll not have done any of this.
Because this isn’t about health, or viruses, but achieving totalitarian control, creating circumstances where mass depopulation is enabled with plausible deniability.
I’m more inclined to go for the totalitarian control scenario, rather than depopulation. If you mean the vaccines causing depopulation, it would be very hard to achieve while keeping plausible deniability. I guess if it’s a “gradual death” over years, it may be possible to keep the connection blurred between the deaths and the vaccinations. But how many people would have to be in on the plan for it to happen? Does every world-leader know? Or are they just blindly following the plan given to them? Do the people who created the vaccines know? Or are they just using a “formula” that has been given to them to use?
Slow kill has plausible deniability
It was climate change wot dun it
A spokesperson for NHS England said: “Throughout the pandemic, the NHS has published daily, weekly, monthly and up-to-date information on Covid hospital activity, and this is a further update for operational reasons as it is obviously important for the NHS to continue to monitor cases of Covid in hospitals, alongside the success and impact of the vaccine programme.”
In other words the NHS has been told it is important for it to release figures which appear to show the vaccination program is reducing infections more than they actually are.
“Our” NHS has long been far too influenced by pharmaceutical companies – and poorly trained in nutritional medicine. Meanwhile, our clueless politicians fiddle while Rome (or Romford) burns.
It’s hard to know what to say when something as basic as “with Covid” versus “for Covid” has not been officially recognised before. Therein lies the deceit and is plain for all to see. The level of data manipulation and the misrepresentation of information has been at Soviet levels.
I am looking forward to NHS bosses, high-level politicians, senior scientists and leaders of the pharmaceutical companies, answering questions in a court of law.
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
There have always been patients with covid. Most of them also have real illnesses.
I have always had an issue with the definition of a case. This has been the only infection in the total history of Homo sapiens that has been defined by a laboratory test without symptoms. The problem arose because it was made a notifiable disease without any decent signs or symptoms to differentiate it from other diseases. Other notifiable diseases such as measles or food poisoning do have unique signs and symptoms along with patient history, the type of food poisoning may need to be identified for treatment purposes but the culturing of the pathogen is not needed for diagnosis. With regards to the vaccination, I have had my two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine with mild myalgia as the only side effect/adverse reaction. However, this was for me, to reduce risk to me becoming seriously ill should I contract SARS-CoV-2, also it was to placate family members’ concerns. Would I suggest that others have the vaccine? The answer is a resounding no I wouldn’t as it is individual choice. Do I agree that vaccination should be a prerequisite for opening up society again? Absolutely not. Should vaccinated people have more “freedom “ than the unvaccinated? Absolutely not. Should restrictions… Read more »
I like you, John, from what you’ve written. Wish there were more like you.
How many people here have not been and will not be jabbed? In my family it’s me, husband and two adult children.
Same here
Wife and I
I’m 1 out of 10.
Me and her that I know of.
Fascinating rationale :
“the move was being done to help analyse the effect of the vaccine programme and whether it was successfully reducing Covid sickness…”
Trans: This – eighteen months on, when data and it’s monitoring is hopelessly screwed – will allow us to claim all sorts of miracles for the snake oil as Covid numbers reduce.
Ah well, somewhat more than a year too late…but one assumes those running the show consider that enough compliance has been achieved and is continuing and enough harm done…the pressure’s on to keep the indoctrinated on side clearly. Just admit a little tiny bit and make yourself appear to be worth listening to…bunch of charlatans. !
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence, that hasn’t been brainwashed by this government and its scientific cronies, knows that these figures have been grossly manipulated in support of another ‘Project Fear’.